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jwecker
2007-03-09T22:50:18
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Now that I think of it, this is a place where we're much more likely to have involved discussions rather than quick "where you been" type comments. That implies to me that you'd kind of want the same threading / nesting as the general boards. What if a user simply has their own personal submission spot- they can post things that are meaningful to them- latest blog entry, a discussion that they want to keep off the front page for now, etc. Others could post articles, comments, and linkless topics just like in the general board- the difference being the user can outright delete the posts.<p>You gain the ability for a user to post more specialized information or stuff they themselves generated without spamming, you get an easy mechanism for another user to post a quick message or even start a discussion with that user, you get the ability for multiple people to join in and make intelligent comments and still have the place readable and organized, and I assume you'd be able to reuse a bunch of code.<p>Differences from the general board- I'm thinking maybe topics shouldn't get pushed off the bottom? Hopefully that's not a storage issue. Karma could stay the same as normal or you could make it work the same within the topics but not reflect on the users' real score, or you could let just the user who owns that board to give out karma, get rid of it altogether for the user board, or whatever.<p>[upd. Oh, and also, if things get interesting or there gets to be some important content you could submit a link to that discussion in the general board]
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danielha
2007-03-09T22:51:23
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I second jwecker's idea to allow a single photo avatar for each member.<p>It would be very beneficial to attach faces to the personalities, especially in light of the upcoming Startup School.
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Readmore
2007-03-09T22:51:52
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Yeah it sounds pretty interesting. It works off of the idea that you can lend your music to a friend, and you can make a backup of something, what you can't do is listen to your backup while the other person listens to the original. So they let people 'upload' their songs to get a number of keys and then when you want to listen to a song, whether you own it or not, as long as there is an available key it should be legal. If it holds up I would LOVE to see this for movies and TV shows.
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danw
2007-03-09T22:54:41
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I think one of the drops could have been when RSS was implemented and us junkies didnt have to do constant page refreshes to keep up to date.
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T22:55:42
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pg, did you create news.yc as a long term solution or is this something temporary (just for the startup school and YC applicants)? It's great to see the site's enormous growth. Unfortunately, there is a good chance the traffic will drop sharply following April.<p>*ill still be around, though. YC can't get rid of me that easily*
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danw
2007-03-09T22:58:24
What does 'showdead' on my profile page do?
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dfranke
2007-03-09T22:59:32
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Err, that's page views, not unique IPs? If so, then I think I'm about half of that graph...<p>Edit: Nevermind, I'm about a 1/20th. I slipped a decimal.
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T23:02:18
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It might not be a good idea to place too many requests on pg's schedule. What Paul can do, instead, is integrate "MyBlogLog" widget into news.yc. That alone will solve the problems regarding messaging and avatars.
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jwecker
2007-03-09T23:02:36
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Here's what gets me- in the first couple of days there were some pretty good posts that got _tons_ of marks. There are some users in the top 20 rankings that haven't had any activity since the first couple of days- like http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=beau . I have to be honest, while the customer service article was nice, I don't think it would get more than 20 points these days- I don't think any article would.<p>So I thought there must have been a lot of people using it at the very beginning- excited and contributing and the karma flowed like milk and honey and then the novelty wore off and a bunch of people dropped out. I see the opposite in the graph. I guess the usage of the site is what changed considerably.
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danielha
2007-03-09T23:02:41
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Try it out. Then report back here and let us know. ;)
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danw
2007-03-09T23:04:00
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The word 'dead' makes me worry it's a delete profile button so I don't want to try it!<p>I dont want this to be like that time when I got curious if rm -rf / would work :)
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T23:04:11
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yeah Dan, do one for the team!
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danw
2007-03-09T23:04:57
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Come to think about it there is a drop when I went away for a few days...
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danielha
2007-03-09T23:07:08
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I used the RSS feed for a little while, but I tend to just leave a browser window open at yc.news now as I work on various things. <p>There's nothing quite like the YC tan and orange to really put me in the startup mood.
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jwecker
2007-03-09T23:07:48
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btw immad- i was making fun of myself and the current state of my business, not your submission, which was definitely relevant. cheers :)
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danw
2007-03-09T23:08:47
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Big Red Button syndrome overcame me and I tried it. <p>I'm still here, cant see any differences :s<p>Seriously, anyone know what this does? It's starting to bug me now.
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jwecker
2007-03-09T23:09:47
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I tried it and it reset my karma.
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jwecker
2007-03-09T23:11:12
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luckily though my karma is actually a formula- [danielha - rand(10,50)]
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danw
2007-03-09T23:11:38
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And yet you still have 234? I think someones fibbing :p
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danielha
2007-03-09T23:15:01
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har har. :)
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precipice
2007-03-09T23:21:33
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As someone who has been funded by O'Reilly AlphaTech (I'm one of the founders of Wesabe), I would recommend them highly. I've known them for many years, and Mark and Tim both worked with me on my last startup (Popular Power).<p>I can say a lot about why they like them, but when I was talking with a CEO recently I mentioned this Richard Nixon quote: "When you win, you hear from everyone - when you lose, you hear from your friends." I've heard messages of support from these guys in both instances. If you're looking for someone who will understand your idea and back it or not for the right reasons, and then support you all the way if they invest, I think OATV is a fantastic option.<p>--Marc Hedlund
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hwork
2007-03-09T23:21:49
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It might be interesting to try a decay function on the leader board. <p>Now, it's probably not cool to take away karma points, but it would reward activity. Plus, it'll get around the issue of single posters who post a single ridiculously popular post. They would have their hayday in karma but then slide back in the rankings in favor of the regulars.
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dfranke
2007-03-09T23:24:53
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It lets you continue to see articles/comments that Paul kills. Dupes, spam, etc.
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danw
2007-03-09T23:25:26
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There are a lot of people who follow the links yet dont vote even if they like them. An example is the facebook YC news group. It has 42 members yet the story announcing it only has 13 points.<p>Could this be an example of the 1% rule? http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1823959,00.html
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danielha
2007-03-09T23:26:57
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Feature suggestion:<p>A page in our profile that indicates recent activity pertaining to us, such as someone replying to your comment. Sometimes I reply to comments in older discussions and it's likely the person I am replying will never see it.
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danw
2007-03-09T23:27:09
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The karma of active users would continue to rise whilst the dead users stay steady and eventually get overtaken.<p>Perhaps a 'most karma in the past week' leader board would work?
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danielha
2007-03-09T23:29:55
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Which ones are you referring to? Not all of the previous companies have appealed to me as a user, but they've all peaked my interest as a hacker.
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danw
2007-03-09T23:31:17
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And now you've taken away one of the little mysteries that makes the world an interesting place :p<p>Thanks for the info, it was bugging me more than any drop down menu should.
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dfranke
2007-03-09T23:33:51
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Sounds like Paul ought to add some more cryptically-labeled knobs that don't do anything :-)
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notabel
2007-03-09T23:37:25
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I like the idea; this mirrors some discussion in the "Thoughts on using news.YC" thread, viz. http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=2987
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danw
2007-03-09T23:37:32
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Feature Request: Add a magic switch! [see http://www.livingstonmontana.com/access/dan/191magicswitch.html]
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dawie
2007-03-09T23:38:28
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What tool do you use to analyse traffic?
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dawie
2007-03-09T23:39:36
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I use Firebug too and love it
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pg
2007-03-09T23:41:40
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wc -l
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notabel
2007-03-09T23:42:56
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I tend to think that it is more the result of a bit of cognitive dissonance, particularly with respect to what the points values mean. They can be viewed either as a metric of popularity, or a metric of quality. Most people {{handwaving}} conceive of points as some mixture of the two, hence there is a reluctance to give a point to a story with, say, 20 points, even if you liked it, because you don't think it is a "21-point quality" story.
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dfranke
2007-03-09T23:43:04
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The unnamed MIT graduate is none other than Guy Steele. His son Matt is on my Mystery Hunt team and I've heard this story from him. It's not a cigar box, it's a locked filing cabinet in his basement (no, there's no Beware of Leopard sign, sorry). Guy doesn't like to let people touch it lest they try switching it to "magic".
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pg
2007-03-09T23:46:17
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The reason those early articles got so many points is that the decay function was broken initially. Instead of accelerating downward off the frontpage with age, the velocity of stories' fall actually decreased. Because of this bug some of those stories stayed on the frontpage racking up votes for 4 days.
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pg
2007-03-09T23:48:19
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It's not only me who kills them. There are a bunch of people (mostly founders of startups we've funded) who have editor auth. 90% of dupes and spams are dead before I see them.<p>Editors can also fix typos and replace linkjacks with the url of the original article.
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barrkel
2007-03-09T23:55:58
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The RSS feed could do with links back to this comments page - Google reader doesn't show any such link.<p>That would increase traffic from RSS users, I should think.
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arasakik
2007-03-09T23:58:16
Question: If you're not already starting a company, what currently occupies your time?
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arasakik
2007-03-09T23:58:41
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Also, if you plan to start something in the future, what is your expected timeline?
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hwork
2007-03-10T00:02:37
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Bloody Robots. And they are not even bipedal dynamically self-balancing ones.<p>Estimated Time to Startup: 4 Months.
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jrbedard
2007-03-10T00:09:12
Venture Voice Podcast MP3 : Marketing a startup
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seijitanaka
2007-03-10T00:11:39
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Those fears can be legitimate, but I don't think they're favorable, because there are alternative and positive forms of motivation to deal with those situations. Fear also overrides logical thinking, which can't be good for business.
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notabel
2007-03-10T00:13:59
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Wrong, perhaps, but a necessary wrong. Smart people that you know are perhaps the most effective filter to gauge purportedly smart people you don't know. While it would be nice if connections didn't matter, such a world would be infeasible. Thus, you enter the social network on merit: impress someone who is known to be smart, and that's your in. Eventually the line of contact reaches the VC you need to take you seriously.
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notabel
2007-03-10T00:17:04
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University. In my opinion, college is the best thing to do when you don't have something better to do, if you'll pardon the tautology. Universities put you in contact with lots of other smart people, with the resources and freedom to devote your effort to whatever serves your interests.
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notabel
2007-03-10T00:26:34
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While the legal principle backing their idea (first sale rights) is pretty solid, I doubt it will hold up here. The courts have not been kind to first sale and fair use rights in the past 5 years. This case is also complicated by the fact that there is no way to ensure that there is no concurrent use. While the system can ensure that no two people simultaneously use my copy of a song, it cannot ensure that I am not using my copy while someone else is.
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dood
2007-03-10T00:44:32
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I love the bareness of this site so far. Keeping it simple may hopefully maximise the honeymoon period before the deluge of crap that any small web success appears to attract.<p>I suspect the ability to successfully transition from this honeymoon period to moderate popularity will become a defining battle for a certain class of social web start-ups.
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amichail
2007-03-10T00:50:59
PageRank has revolutionized web search but maybe also delayed social apps for years (due to fear of out of control spam in such apps). Do you agree?
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jamiequint
2007-03-10T00:53:37
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School... 2 Months 'til graduation... let me out!
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danielha
2007-03-10T01:03:00
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I don't quite understand the connection. Care to elaborate?
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farmer
2007-03-10T01:05:08
Adobe Edits the Development Cycle
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amichail
2007-03-10T01:06:01
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After seeing what PageRank can do in terms of controlling spam, VCs would be reluctant to fund a startup that is much more prone to spamming (e.g., something like wikipedia, social bookmarking, etc.). So one might argue that PageRank has in fact discouraged people from even thinking about social apps for a long time.
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amichail
2007-03-10T01:09:20
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Take a look at what Sergey Brin has to say about wikipedia: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7137075178977335350
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pg
2007-03-10T01:09:54
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We got another day's stats so as long as the story was still live I just updated the url. Here's the old one: http://ycombinator.com/ycnewstraffic.png
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amichail
2007-03-10T01:12:00
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And from Geeking with Greg:<p>http://glinden.blogspot.com/2005/06/yahoo-gets-social-with-myweb.html<p>http://glinden.blogspot.com/2005/10/getting-crap-out-of-user-generated.html<p>http://glinden.blogspot.com/2006/01/digg-spam-and-most-popular-lists.html<p>http://glinden.blogspot.com/2007/02/combating-tag-spam-paper.html
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jwecker
2007-03-10T01:14:51
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What sets this site apart for pg is that he can use it to guage peoples comments for when they apply for something. One thing that sets this site apart for me, though, is that I think most people here intend to meet one another in person at some point, sooner or later. That makes a big difference in the feel of the place. Using first names in posts, not acting like children in our debates, a real desire (from the first day in the feature request discussion) to see what other people look like and know what they're really up to, etc.
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danielha
2007-03-10T01:19:46
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If it's on the web, spam will always be a possibility. I don't see people getting discouraged from creating networks due to spam. Any quarter-decent social application will have some measures for dealing with it.<p>Most social applications aren't aiming for the PageRank either. Their use is grown through word of mouth approaches, not organic search. What aspect of PageRank is doing this discouraging of social apps?
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amichail
2007-03-10T01:21:48
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I don't think it's obvious at all that you can control spam in a social app such as wikipedia or social bookmarking. You need to try it out and see what happens.
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volida
2007-03-10T01:24:49
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in any ecosystem there are the parasites. on the web your parasite is spam.
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amichail
2007-03-10T01:27:36
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BTW, this paper about wikipedia is fascinating: <p>http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~fviegas/papers/history_flow.pdf<p>See in particular the sections on "Vandalism and repair" and "Statistical corroboration".
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notabel
2007-03-10T01:34:20
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More important, I think, than displaying the number of new comments is making it possible to /find/ them. The reordering of comments is usually a great thing, but in a relatively involved discussion, it can become quite a chore to find that new comment.<p>I'm not sure what the best way to implement it would be, from either an algorithmic or HCI standpoint, but it certainly would be nice if you could come up with a way to make new comments stand out in threads. (Preferably with new defined by when the user last viewed the page, rather than being a static global definition.)
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amichail
2007-03-10T01:34:46
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The problem is that PageRank puts you in a mindset of creating sophisticated algorithms that are much more resistant to spam than naive approaches. In that sense, it discourages people from even trying out social apps.
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jwecker
2007-03-10T01:37:13
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Do you mind if I ask how many users there are? Have memberships mirrored the page requests more or less?
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notabel
2007-03-10T01:38:48
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I run into this problem all the time--not good for diminishing by reload-addiction! It would be nice if pages included some js to rewrite history[1] via dom, so that we could always see the freshest versions of pages.<p>[1] It pains me to advocate breaking the "show me exactly what I was just seeing" semantics of the back button, but I think in this case the user clearly conceives the back button as "show me the abstract resource I was just seeing."
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notabel
2007-03-10T01:41:24
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Looking at old comments[1], though, indicates that the overall volume of karma flow was much higher in the early days. Of course, it could be that the bug-driven hyperkarma on posts led users to be more generous with karma on comments.<p>[1] In particular, the feature request thread.
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notabel
2007-03-10T01:47:29
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OT: What is policy (or general understanding) regarding near-dupes, i.e. submissions of different articles that all cover the same material?<p>(I seem to be fixating on this today--it's the metaweb/freebase thing.)
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onebeerdave
2007-03-10T01:54:04
Aydin Senkut: Highlights from D Day
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dawie
2007-03-10T01:55:21
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Sorry to sound stupid. What is wc -l? What does it stand for?
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pg
2007-03-10T02:20:10
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Oddly enough I'd never checked before, but as of now there are 1426 accounts. The reddits told me once that about 1 out of 10 visitors there is logged in, so this seems about right.
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immad
2007-03-10T02:29:04
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:-)
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danielha
2007-03-10T02:45:04
Web 2.0 Expo 2007, April 15-18, 2007, San Francisco, California
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danielha
2007-03-10T02:47:12
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It's that time of the year again. Don't forget to register by this Monday if you plan on going -- you save $200. Students also get 65% off the workshop package (use coupon code: webex07ftst at registration).<p>My co-founder, Jason, and I plan on attending. It'll be our first Web2.0 expo. Is anyone else planning to attend? Any veterans care to share their past experiences?
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notabel
2007-03-10T02:52:29
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Do we have any metrics on liveness of accounts? I've certainly felt that the community of active, thoughtful commentators is pretty small (not a bad thing!).
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danielha
2007-03-10T03:01:30
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Submissions on articles that cover the same content should be fair game. The voting of the community should decide which article is worth reading.<p>
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danielha
2007-03-10T03:07:00
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Most of my time is being dedicated to working on my project. A beta launch is set for within the next 2-3 months.<p>I'm also at school in the meantime.
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Alex3917
2007-03-10T03:17:05
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Meritocracy = promotion based on what others think you can do.<p>Silicon Valley = create wealth based on what you can do.<p>There isn't a word for it yet as far as I know. Suffice it to say, it's a step above meritocracy.
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leovernazza
2007-03-10T03:18:48
Guilder: a graphic user interface builder (model-driven ui design)
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danielha
2007-03-10T03:21:21
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Prints the number of lines in a file.
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danielha
2007-03-10T03:23:32
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I'd say the best social network to be in is one that has a bit of a meritocratic air about it. There will always be impressive company among you, no?
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Alex3917
2007-03-10T03:43:26
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College. I'm on the ltwt rowing team, so that can take up as many hours per day as I want. <p>I'm also working on a couple of books. I have a full mindmap for one, so it's just a matter of translating it into prose. I write slowly, but hopefully I'll have a first draft that will be somewhat readable by others by the end of summer.
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pg
2007-03-10T03:55:24
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You don't miss out, because introductions flow so freely. It's not hard to find someone two hops from anyone you want to meet, and once you've done that (if you seem worth introducing), the two hops happen fast.
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Alex3917
2007-03-10T04:04:54
Some book picks for entrepreneurs (Squidoo)
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Alex3917
2007-03-10T04:06:28
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I'm guessing most people reading this are familiar with most of these resources already, but perhaps someone will find something new. One of the reasons I made this was so I'd have something to send to my friends so they'd stop asking me questions.
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arasakik
2007-03-10T04:33:29
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Just out of curiosity - how did you get into making robots, and do you have any resources I can look at?
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juwo
2007-03-10T04:58:49
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yes, I was actually thinking of that very same idea about the time you may have posted it! (the same interests part).
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arasakik
2007-03-10T05:19:29
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Why don't you go further and count unique ip's? cut -f2 | sort -u | wc -l (Assuming ip is the second field after timestamp in your logs)
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Tron
2007-03-10T05:36:08
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I think it's called "capitalism".
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iamwil
2007-03-10T05:40:30
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I get that it's saying in order to be successful in the field of programming, there's a lot more to get good at other than programming.<p>But can a person really not get better at programming with more practice? Or is it diminishing returns? It makes it sound like how good you'll ever be is limited by innate talent, and can't be overcome with hard work. Others' take on this?
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pashle
2007-03-10T06:00:03
Attract hackers, evangelise YC, and change the world? Vote for "NEW" YC T-Shirts!
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pashle
2007-03-10T06:00:24
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I want YC T-Shirts because I LOVE news.yc and:<p>1) I want to evangelise the good news of YC, and of startups by students, around campus.<p>2) I want to fly a flag so that other hackers/YC faithful know that I'm one of them too, and we can come together.<p>3) I want the world to know it!<p>So Jessica, Paul, Robert and Trevor: Make YC T-Shirts, PLEASE! <p>Sizes: XS (for the ladies;) to XXL, Colours: White/Orange/Black, Slogan: "Make Something People Want"<p>What do you guys reckon?
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hwork
2007-03-10T06:08:22
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Thankfully I don't make them. I'm involved in the RoboCup project: www.robocup.org. But I'm in a 'league' where software is king and hardware is standard: the 4 Legged League. Here's the link: http://www.tzi.de/4legged/<p>But if you're into making robots, pretty much every other league in RoboCup (save simulation) does hardware: humanoids, coffee-can robots, rescue robots, etc.<p>So yeah, I program robotic dogs to play soccer. Pretty ridiculous concept, but it's darn cute.
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Michael
2007-03-10T06:28:06
The search engine just for kids
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pg
2007-03-10T06:47:54
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pg
2007-03-10T06:56:16
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We have YC T-Shirts, and they say "Make something people want" on them. All the people we fund get them.
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pg
2007-03-10T07:02:00
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This is definitely coming soon.
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pashle
2007-03-10T07:04:21
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Hey Paul! Thanks for clearing that up. When will you make them available to the general YC faithful for my aforementioned reasons? I believe it will benefit YC when it eventuates.
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nickb
2007-03-10T07:10:59
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This site is so much better than Reddit these days. I don't even check R anymore (too much noise/politics/pics/videos).<p>Thanks PG!
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epall
2007-03-10T07:26:43
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No. Apple has no motivation to support existing video distribution models. Why would they build a DVR? You can get TV and movies from iTS at good quality and reasonable cost sans ads. Apple doesn't just want to own the decoder unit, they want to own the much more profitable distribution service.
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zach
2007-03-10T08:18:59
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What about the more ballsy shirts seen here?<p>http://www.shoutfit.com/outfits/135
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