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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุจู‚ูˆู„ูƒ ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐุง ูู‡ุฐุง ูŠุนู†ูŠ ุจุฃู† ุนู…ู„ูƒ ุฌูŠุฏ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃูˆ ุจุฃุฎุฑู‰
by saying all that, it means your work is good somehow.
ูˆุฃุธู† ุจุฃู† ูƒู„ ุดุฎุต.. ุฃุนู†ูŠ ุจุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ูŠูƒูˆู† ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉุŒ ูƒุงู„ุฌุงุฐุจูŠุฉ
And I think everybody -- I mean that should be a matter of fact, like gravity.
ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุชุญุฏูŠ ุงู„ุฌุงุฐุจูŠุฉ
You're not going to defy gravity.
ูŠุชูˆุฌุจ ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ู…ุน ู‚ุณู… ุงู„ุจู†ุงุก
You've got to work with the building department.
ูุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ุชุณุชุฎุฏู… ุงู„ู…ูŠุฒุงู†ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุชุงุญุฉ ุจุดูƒู„ ุตุญูŠุญุŒ ูู„ู† ุชุชู…ูƒู† ู…ู† ุฅู†ุฌุงุฒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„
If you don't meet the budgets, you're not going to get much work.
ุฅุฐุง ุญุตู„ ุชุณุฑุจ.. ุจู„ุจุงูˆ ู„ู… ูŠุณุฑุจ
If it leaks -- Bilbao did not leak.
ุฃูุชุฎุฑ ุจุฐู„ูƒ ูƒุซูŠุฑุงู‹
I was so proud.
ู…ุดุฑูˆุน ุงู„ุฅู… ุขูŠ ุชูŠ.. ูƒุงู†ูˆุง ูŠุนู…ู„ูˆู† ู…ุนูŠ ู…ู‚ุงุจู„ุฉ ู„ู„ุฅู… ุขูŠ ุชูŠ ูˆุฃุฑุณู„ูˆุง ุจุนุถ ุนู…ุงู„ ุงู„ุฎุฏู…ุฉ ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุฅู„ู‰ ุจู„ุจุงูˆ
The MIT project -- they were interviewing me for MIT and they sent their facilities people to Bilbao.
ู‚ุงุจู„ุชู‡ู… ููŠ ุจู„ุจุงูˆ
I met them in Bilbao.
ุญุถุฑูˆุง ู„ุซู„ุงุซุฉ ุฃูŠุงู…
They came for three days.
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฑุฏ: ู‡ู„ ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุจู†ู‰ ุงู„ุญุงุณุจ ุงู„ุขู„ูŠุŸ
RSW: This is the computer building?
ูุฑุงู†ูƒ: ู†ุนู…ุŒ ู…ุจู†ู‰ ุงู„ุญุงุณุจ
FG: Yeah, the computer building.
ูƒุงู†ูˆุง ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู„ุซู„ุงุซุฉ ุฃูŠุงู…ุŒ ูˆูƒุงู†ุช ุชู…ุทุฑ ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู… ูˆุธู„ูˆุง ูŠุฌูˆุจูˆู† ุงู„ุฃุฑุฌุงุก ู„ุงุญุธุช ุจุฃู†ู‡ู… ูŠุจุญุซูˆู† ุชุญุช ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ูŠุจุญุซูˆู† ุนู† ุฃุดูŠุงุก ูˆูƒุฃู†ู‡ู… ูŠุชุณุงุกู„ูˆู† ุนู† ุฃูŠู† ุฃุฎููŠู†ุง ุฃุณุทู„ ุงู„ู…ุงุกุŒ ุชุนู„ู…ุŸ
They were there three days and it rained every day and they kept walking around -- I noticed they were looking under things and looking for things, and they wanted to know where the buckets were hidden, you know?
ุนุงุฏุฉ ูŠุถุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃุณุทู„ ุงู„ู…ุงุก ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุจุงู†ูŠ ุญูŠู† ูŠุญุตู„ ุชุณุฑุจ
People put buckets out ...
ุฃู…ุง ุฃู†ุง ูู‚ุฏ ุฃุซุจุชุช ุจุฑุงุกุชูŠ! ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃูŠ ุชุณุฑุจ ู„ุนูŠู† ููŠ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ูƒุงู† ุจู…ู†ุชู‡ู‰ ุงู„ุฑูˆุนุฉ
I was clean. There wasn't a bloody leak in the place, it was just fantastic.
ูˆู„ูƒู† ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฃู†.. ุญุณู†ุงู‹ุŒ ูƒู„ ุงู„ู…ุจุงู†ูŠ ูƒุงู†ุช ุชุณุฑุจ ู‚ุจู„ ู‡ุฐุงุŒ ู„ุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู‡ุฐุง..
But you've got to -- yeah, well up until then every building leaked, so this ...
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฑุฏ: ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏู‰ ูุฑุงู†ูƒ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ู€..
RSW: Frank had a sort of ...
ูุฑุงู†ูƒ: ุงุณุฃู„ ู…ุฑูŠุงู…!
FG: Ask Miriam!
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฑุฏ: .. ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุดู‡ุฑุฉ.. ุดู‡ุฑุชู‡ ุจุฏุฃุช ููŠ ู„ูˆุณ ุฃู†ุฌู„ุณ ู„ูุชุฑุฉ
RW: ... sort of had a fame. His fame was built on that in L.A. for a while.
ูุฑุงู†ูƒ: ุฌู…ูŠุนูƒู… ุณู…ุน ุจู‚ุตุฉ ูุฑุงู†ูƒ ุฅู„ู„ูˆูŠุฏ ุฑุงูŠุช ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุงุชุตู„ุช ุงู…ุฑุฃุฉ ูˆู‚ุงู„ุช "ุณูŠุฏ ุฑุงูŠุชุŒ ุฃู†ุง ุฌุงู„ุณุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑูŠูƒุฉ ูˆุงู„ู…ุงุก ูŠู†ู‡ู…ุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุฑุฃุณูŠ"
FG: You've all heard the Frank Lloyd Wright story, when the woman called and said, "Mr. Wright, I'm sitting on the couch and the water's pouring in on my head."
ูู‚ุงู„ ู„ู‡ุง "ุณูŠุฏุชูŠุŒ ุบูŠุฑูŠ ู…ูƒุงู† ูƒุฑุณูŠูƒ"
And he said, "Madam, move your chair."
ุจุนุฏู‡ุง ุจุณู†ูˆุงุช ูƒู†ุช ุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจุนู…ู„ ุจู†ุงุก ูƒุงู† ุจูŠุชุงู‹ ุตุบูŠุฑุงู‹ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุดุงุทุฆ ู„ู€ู†ูˆุฑุชูˆู† ุณุงูŠู…ูˆู† ูˆูƒุงู†ุช ุณูƒุฑุชุงุฑูŠุชู‡ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ูˆุน ุงู„ู‚ุงุณูŠ ูุงุชุตู„ุช ุจูŠ ูˆู‚ุงู„ุช "ุงู„ุณูŠุฏ ุณุงูŠู…ูˆู† ุฌุงู„ุณ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ูƒุชุจู‡ ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุงุก ูŠู†ู‡ู…ุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุฑุฃุณู‡"
So, some years later I was doing a building, a little house on the beach for Norton Simon, and his secretary, who was kind of a hell on wheels type lady, called me and said, "Mr. Simon's sitting at his desk and the water's coming in on his head."
ูู‚ู„ุช ู„ู‡ุง ู…ุซู„ ู…ุง ู‚ุงู„ ูุฑุงู†ูƒ ุฅู„ู„ูˆูŠุฏ ุฑุงูŠุช
And I told her the Frank Lloyd Wright story.
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฑุฏ: ู„ู… ุชุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุถุญูƒุฉ
RSW: Didn't get a laugh.
ูุฑุงู†ูƒ: ูƒู„ุงุŒ ูˆุญุชู‰ ุงู„ุขู† ู„ู… ุฃุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุถุญูƒุฉ
FG: No. Not now either.
ู…ุบุฒู‰ ูƒู„ุงู…ูŠ ู‡ูˆ.. ูˆุฃุณู…ูŠู‡ "ู…ุงุฐุง ุจุนุฏุŸ"
But my point is that ... and I call it the "then what?"
ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู‡ ุจุนุฏ ุญู„ูƒ ู„ูƒู„ ุงู„ู…ุดุงูƒู„ ูˆุจุนุฏ ู‚ูŠุงู…ูƒ ุจูƒู„ ู…ุง ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡. ุจุนุฏ ู‚ูŠุงู…ูƒ ุจุนู…ู„ ุฌูŠุฏ ูˆุจุนุฏ ุญุจูƒ ู„ุฒุจุงุฆู†ูƒ ูˆุจุนุฏ ุญุจูƒ ู„ู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ ุจุนุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุซุจุชุช ุจุฃู†ูƒ ุดุฎุต ุฌูŠุฏ.. ุฃู†ุช ุดุฎุต ุฌูŠุฏ
OK, you solved all the problems, you did all the stuff, you made nice, you loved your clients, you loved the city, you're a good guy, you're a good person ...
ูˆู„ูƒู† ู…ุงุฐุง ุจุนุฏุŸ
and then what?
ู…ุง ุงู„ุฌุฏูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุชู‚ุฏู…ู‡ุŸ
What do you bring to it?
ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุจุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู„ุทุงู„ู…ุง ุฃู‡ู…ู†ูŠ ูƒูˆู†ู‡.. ูƒูˆู†ู‡ ุชุนุจูŠุฑุงู‹ ุดุฎุตูŠุงู‹ ู†ูˆุนุงู‹ ู…ุง
And I think that's what I've always been interested in, is that -- which is a personal kind of expression.
ุจู„ุจุงูˆ ุจุงุนุชู‚ุงุฏูŠุŒ ุฃุธู‡ุฑ ุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูŠุฉ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุชุนุจูŠุฑ ุงู„ุดุฎุตูŠ ูˆุจู†ูุณ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ู„ู…ุณ ูƒู„ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุงุช ุงู„ู…ุทู„ูˆุจุฉ ู„ู„ุงู†ุฏู…ุงุฌ ุจุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ
Bilbao, I think, shows that you can have that kind of personal expression and still touch all the bases that are necessary of fitting into the city.
ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุง ุฐูƒุฑู†ูŠ ุจู‡
That's what reminded me of it.
ูˆุฃุธู† ุจุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ู…ูˆุถูˆุนุŒ ุชุนุฑู ุฅู†ู‡ ู…ูˆุถูˆุน "ู…ุงุฐุง ุจุนุฏ" ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠุฎุชุงุฑ ู…ุนุธู… ุงู„ุฒุจุงุฆู† ุงุณุชุฆุฌุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ู‡ู†ุฏุณูŠู† .. ู…ุนุธู… ุงู„ุฒุจุงุฆู† ู„ุง ูŠุคุฌุฑูˆู† ุงู„ู…ู‡ู†ุฏุณูŠู† ู„ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุณุจุจ
And I think that's the issue, you know; it's the "then what" that most clients who hire architects -- most clients aren't hiring architects for that.
ุฅู†ู‡ู… ูŠุณุชุฃุฌุฑูˆู†ู‡ู… ู„ูŠู‚ูˆู…ูˆุง ุจุฅู†ุฌุงุฒ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ุŒ ูˆุจุงู„ู…ูŠุฒุงู†ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุญุฏุฏุฉ ุชุนู„ู… ู…ุง ุฃุนู†ูŠ.. ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ุคุฏุจุงู‹ ูˆุจู‡ุฐุง ู…ุนุธู… ุงู„ุฒุจุงุฆู† ูŠุถูŠุนูˆู† ุงู„ูุฑุตุฉ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠุฉ ู„ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ุงู„ู‚ูŠู…ุฉ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠุฉ ู„ู„ู…ู‡ู†ุฏุณ
They're hiring them to get it done, get it on budget, be polite, and they're missing out on the real value of an architect.
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฑุฏ: ููŠ ู…ุฑุญู„ุฉ ู…ุนูŠู†ุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฒู…ู† ู…ู†ุฐ ุจุถุนุฉ ุณู†ูˆุงุชุŒ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ.. ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูƒุงู† ู…ุงูŠูƒู„ ู‚ุฑูŠูุฒ ุจู…ุซุงุจุฉ ู…ูˆุถุฉุŒ ู‚ุจู„ ุฃุจุงุฑูŠู‚ ุงู„ุดุงูŠ..
RSW: At a certain point a number of years ago, people -- when Michael Graves was a fashion, before teapots ...
ูุฑุงู†ูƒ: ู‚ุฏ ุตู†ุนุช ุฅุจุฑูŠู‚ุงู‹ ู„ู„ุดุงูŠ ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ูˆู„ู… ูŠุดุชุฑู‡ ุฃุญุฏ
FG: I did a teapot and nobody bought it.
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฑุฏ: ู‡ู„ ุญุตู„ ููŠู‡ ุชุณุฑุจุŸ
RSW: Did it leak?
ูุฑุงู†ูƒ: ู„ุง
FG: No.
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฑุฏ: ูƒุงู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠุฑูŠุฏูˆู† ู…ุจุงู†ูŠ ู…ู† ู…ุงูŠูƒู„ ู‚ุฑูŠูุฒ
RSW: ... people wanted a Michael Graves building.
ู‡ู„ ุชุนุชุจุฑ ุฑุบุจุฉ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุจู…ุจู†ู‰ ุจู„ุจุงูˆ ูƒู€ู†ู‚ู…ุฉุŸ
Is that a curse, that people want a Bilbao building?
ูุฑุงู†ูƒ: ู†ุนู…. ุชู„ู‚ูŠุช ุงุชุตุงู„ุงุช
FG: Yeah.
ู…ู†ุฐ ุฃู† ุงูุชุชุญ ุจู„ุจุงูˆ.. ู…ู†ุฐ ุญูˆุงู„ูŠ ุฃุฑุจุนุฉ ุฃูˆ ุฎู…ุณุฉ ุณู†ูˆุงุชุŒ ู„ุง ุฃุนู„ู… ุจุงู„ุถุจุท.. ูƒู„ุงู‹ ู…ู†ุง ุฃู†ุง ูˆูƒุฑูŠู†ุฒ ุชู„ู‚ูŠู†ุง ุงุชุตุงู„ุงุช ุจุญูˆุงู„ูŠุŒ ู„ุง ุฃุนู„ู…ุŒ ุฑุจู…ุง ูกู ู  ูุฑุตุฉ ุนู…ู„ ุชู‚ุฑูŠุจุงู‹ ู…ู† ุงู„ุตูŠู† ูˆุงู„ุจุฑุงุฒูŠู„ ูˆุฃุฌุฒุงุก ู…ู† ุฅุณุจุงู†ูŠุง ุทุงู„ุจูŠู† ู…ู†ุง ุจุฃู† ู†ุฃุชูŠ ูˆู†ุนู…ู„ ุดูŠุฆุงู‹ ู…ุดุงุจู‡ุงู‹ ู„ู…ุจู†ู‰ ุจู„ุจุงูˆ
Since Bilbao opened, which is now four, five years, both Krens and I have been called with at least 100 opportunities -- China, Brazil, other parts of Spain -- to come in and do the Bilbao effect.
ูˆู‚ุฏ ู‚ุงุจู„ุช ุจุนุถุงู‹ ู…ู† ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุงู„ู…ุชุตู„ูŠู†
And I've met with some of these people.
ุนุงุฏุฉู‹ุŒ ุฃู†ุง ุฃุฑูุถ ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉู‹ ูˆู„ูƒู† ุจุนุถู‡ู… ูƒุงู†ูˆุง ุฐุงุช ุฃุตูˆู„ ูˆุจุฏุง ุนู„ูŠู‡ู… ุญุณู† ุงู„ู†ูŠุฉ ูˆูƒุงู†ูˆุง ูŠุทู„ุจูˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ ุงุฌุชู…ุงุนุงู‹ ุฃูˆ ุงุฌุชู…ุงุนูŠู†
Usually I say no right away, but some of them come with pedigree and they sound well-intentioned and they get you for at least one or two meetings.
ููŠ ุฅุญุฏู‰ ุงู„ู…ุฑุงุช ุณุงูุฑุช ุจุนูŠุฏุงู‹ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ู„ู‚ุฉ ู…ุน ุงู„ูุฑูŠู‚ ู„ุฃู† ูƒุงู† ุงู„ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ูŠุดู…ู„ ุนู‚ุฏุงู‹ ู…ูˆู‚ุนุงู‹ ุจุฃุฎุชุงู… ูˆุบูŠุฑู‡ุง.. ุชุนู„ู….. ุฃุฎุชุงู… ุฑุณู…ูŠุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ ูŠู†ุต ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู†ู‡ู… ูŠุฑูŠุฏูˆู†ู†ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจุนู…ู„ ุจู†ุงุก ุนู†ุฏ ุงู„ู…ุฑูุฃ
In one case, I flew all the way to Malaga with a team because the thing was signed with seals and various very official seals from the city, and that they wanted me to come and do a building in their port.
ูˆุณุฃู„ุชู‡ู… ู…ุง ู†ูˆุน ุงู„ุจู†ุงุก ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุฑูŠุฏูˆู†ู‡
I asked them what kind of building it was.
ูุฃุฌุงุจูˆู†ูŠ "ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุฃุชูŠ ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุง ุณู†ุดุฑุญ ู„ูƒ" ูˆุฅู„ู‰ ุขุฎุฑู‡ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูƒู„ุงู…
"When you get here we'll explain it." Blah, blah, blah.
ู„ุฐุง ุฐู‡ุจ ุฃุฑุจุนุฉ ู…ู†ุง
So four of us went.
ูˆุงุณุชู‚ุจู„ูˆู†ุง.. ููŠ ูู†ุฏู‚ ูุฎู… ูˆูƒู†ุง ู†ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฎู„ูŠุฌ ุนู†ุฏู‡ุง ุฃุฎุฐูˆู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ูŠุงู‡ ููŠ ู‚ุงุฑุจ ูˆุฃุฑูˆู†ุง ูƒู„ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ู†ุงุธุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ูŠู†ุงุก
And they took us -- they put us up in a great hotel and we were looking over the bay, and then they took us in a boat out in the water and showed us all these sights in the harbor.
ูƒุงู† ูƒู„ ู…ู†ุธุฑ ุฃุฌู…ู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ
Each one was more beautiful than the other.
ุนู†ุฏู‡ุงุŒ ูƒู†ุง ุณู†ุญุถุฑ ุบุฏุงุกู‹ ู…ุน ุงู„ุนู…ุฏุฉ ูˆูƒู†ุง ุณู†ุญุถุฑ ุนุดุงุกู‹ ู…ุน ุฃู‡ู… ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ููŠ ู…ู„ู‚ุฉ
And then we were going to have lunch with the mayor and we were going to have dinner with the most important people in Malaga.
ูˆู‚ุจู„ ุฐู‡ุงุจู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุบุฏุงุก ู…ุน ุงู„ุนู…ุฏุฉ ุชูˆุฌู‡ู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ูˆุธู ุงู„ู…ูŠู†ุงุก
Just before going to lunch with the mayor, we went to the harbor commissioner.
ูƒุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุทุงูˆู„ุฉ ุจุทูˆู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณุฌุงุฏุฉ ูˆูƒุงู† ู…ูˆุธู ุงู„ู…ูŠู†ุงุก ู‡ู†ุง ูˆูƒู†ุช ุฃู†ุง ู‡ู†ุงุŒ ุซู… ุฑุฌุงู„ูŠ ู‡ู†ุง
It was a table as long as this carpet and the harbor commissioner was here, and I was here, and my guys.
ูˆู…ู† ุซู… ุฌู„ุณู†ุง ูˆุดุฑุจู†ุง ุงู„ู…ุงุก ูˆูƒุงู† ูƒู„ ุดุฎุต ู‡ุงุฏุฆ
We sat down, and we had a drink of water and everybody was quiet.
ุซู… ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ูŠ ุงู„ู…ูˆุธู ูˆู‚ุงู„ "ูˆุงู„ุขู† ูƒูŠู ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูŠ ู…ุณุงุนุฏุชูƒ ุณูŠุฏ ุฌูŠุฑูŠุŸ"
And the guy looked at me and said, "Now what can I do for you, Mr. Gehry?"
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฑุฏ: ูŠุง ุฅู„ู‡ูŠ
RSW: Oh, my God.
ูุฑุงู†ูƒ: ู„ุฐุง ูˆู‚ูุช
FG: So, I got up.
ูˆู‚ู„ุช ู„ูุฑูŠู‚ูŠ "ู„ู†ุฎุฑุฌ ู…ู† ู‡ู†ุง"
I said to my team, "Let's get out of here."
ูˆู‚ูู†ุง ูˆุฎุฑุฌู†ุง ู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ
We stood up, we walked out.
ูˆู„ุญู‚ูˆุง ุจู†ุง.. ู„ุญู‚ ุจู†ุง ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุชู‰ ุจู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูˆู‚ุงู„ ู„ู†ุง "ุฃุชุนู†ูŠ ุจุฃู†ูƒ ู„ู† ุชุญุถุฑ ุงู„ุบุฏุงุก ู…ุน ุงู„ุนู…ุฏุฉุŸ"
They followed -- the guy that dragged us there followed us and he said, "You mean you're not going to have lunch with the mayor?"
ุฃุฌุจุชู‡ "ูƒู„ุง "
I said, "Nope."
ูู‚ุงู„ "ู„ู† ุชุญุถุฑ ุงู„ุนุดุงุก ุฃุจุฏุงู‹ุŸ"
"You're not going to have dinner at all?"
ูƒุงู†ูˆุง ู‚ุฏ ุฃุญุถุฑูˆู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูู‚ุท ู„ูƒูŠ ู†ุณุชุนุฌู„ ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุงู„ู†ุงุณ.. ุชุนู„ู…ุŒ ู„ูƒูŠ ู†ุตู†ุน ู…ุดุฑูˆุนุงู‹
They just brought us there to hustle this group, you know, to create a project.
ู†ูˆุงุฌู‡ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ูˆุงู‚ู
And we get a lot of that.
ูˆู„ุญุณู† ุงู„ุญุธู†ุŒ ูุฅู†ู†ูŠ ูƒุจูŠุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ุณู† ู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุชุณู…ุญ ู„ูŠ ุจุฃู† ุฃุนุชุฐุฑ ุจุณุจุจ ุนุฏู… ู‚ุฏุฑุชูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุณูุฑ
Luckily, I'm old enough that I can complain I can't travel.
ู„ูŠุณ ู„ุฏูŠ ุทุงุฆุฑุชูŠ ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ ุญุชู‰ ุงู„ุขู†
I don't have my own plane yet.
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฑุฏ: ุญุณู†ุงู‹ุŒ ุณุฃุฎุชู… ุงู„ุฌู„ุณุฉ ุงู„ุขู†ุŒ ูˆุฃุฎุชู… ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู„ู‚ุงุก ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุทุงู„ ูƒุซูŠุฑุงู‹
RSW: Well, I'm going to wind this up and wind up the meeting because it's been very long.
ูู‚ุท ุฏุนู†ูŠ ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ูƒู„ู…ุงุช
But let me just say a couple words.
ูุฑุงู†ูƒ: ู‡ู„ ู„ูŠ ุจู‚ูˆู„ ุดูŠุกุŸ
FG: Can I say something?
ู‡ู„ ุณุชุชุญุฏุซ ุนู†ูŠ ุฃู… ุนู†ูƒุŸ
Are you going to talk about me or you?
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฑุฏ: ุงู„ุชุฑุงู‡ุฉ ุชุธู„ ุฏุงุฆู…ุงู‹ ุชุฑุงู‡ุฉ!
RSW: Once a shit, always a shit!
ูุฑุงู†ูƒ: ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุชุตููŠู‚ ุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆู ูƒู…ุง ูŠุญุตู„ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุนุŒ ู„ุฐุง..
FG: Because I want to get a standing ovation like everybody, so ...
ุณุชุญุตู„ ุนู„ูŠู‡! ุณุชุญุตู„ ุนู„ูŠู‡!
RSW: You're going to get one! You're going to get one!
ุฑูŠุชุดุงุฑุฏ: ุณุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจู‡ ุจู†ูุณูŠ!
I'm going to make it for you!
ูุฑุงู†ูƒ: ู„ุงุŒ ู„ุง .. ุงู†ุชุธุฑ!
FG: No, no. Wait a minute!
ุชุฎูŠู„ูˆุง ู‚ุถุงุก ุณุจุน ุณู†ูˆุงุช ููŠ ู…ุนู‡ุฏ ู…ุงุณุงุชุดูˆุณุชุณ ู„ู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ูˆู…ุฎุชุจุฑุงุช ุงู„ุจุญูˆุซ ุŒ ูู‚ุท ู„ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ุงู†ูƒ ูู†ุงู†.
Imagine spending seven years at MIT and research laboratories, only to find out that you're a performance artist.
ุฃู†ุง ุฃูŠุถุง ู…ู‡ู†ุฏุณ ุจุฑู…ุฌูŠุงุช ุŒ ูˆุฃู†ุง ุฃุตู†ุน ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู†ูˆุงุน ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ ู„ู„ูู†ูˆู† ุจุฅุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุงู„ูƒู…ุจูŠูˆุชุฑ.
I'm also a software engineer, and I make lots of different kinds of art with the computer.
ูˆุงุนุชู‚ุฏ ุงู† ุงู„ุดูŠุก ุงู„ุฑุฆูŠุณูŠ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃู†ุง ู…ู‡ุชู… ุจู‡ ู‡ูˆ ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุงูŠุฌุงุฏ ูˆุณูŠู„ุฉ ู„ ุฌุนู„ ุงู„ูƒู…ุจูŠูˆุชุฑ ููŠ ูˆุถุนูŠุฉ ุชุนุจู‘ุฑ ุนู† ุงู„ุดุฎุตูŠุฉ.
And I think the main thing that I'm interested in is trying to find a way of making the computer into a personal mode of expression.
ูˆูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู†ูƒู… ุฃู†ุชู… ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู‡ู… ุฑุคุณุงุก ู…ุงูƒุฑูˆู…ูŠุฏูŠุง ุŒ ูˆู…ุงูŠูƒุฑูˆุณูˆูุช ุŒ ูˆุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃูˆู„ุฆูƒ ูŠู…ู‡ุฏูˆู† ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ ู„ูŠ : ุงุนุชู‚ุฏ ุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู‚ูˆุฉ ุนุธูŠู…ุฉ ู…ุชุฌุงู†ุณุฉ ุฃู† ุงู„ุจุฑุงู…ุฌ ุชููุฑุถ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูˆุชุญุฏ ู…ู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุชููƒูŠุฑู‡ู… ุญูˆู„ ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ู…ู…ูƒู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูƒู…ุจูŠูˆุชุฑ.
And many of you out there are the heads of Macromedia and Microsoft, and in a way those are my bane: I think there's a great homogenizing force that software imposes on people and limits the way they think about what's possible on the computer.
ุจุทุจูŠุนุฉ ุงู„ุญุงู„ ุŒ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู‚ูˆุฉ ุนุธู…ู‰ ุชุญุฑุฑ ุงู„ุทุงู‚ุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฌุนู„ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ู…ูƒู†ุงู‹ุŒ ุชุนุฑููˆู† ุŒ ุงู„ู†ุดุฑ ุŒ ูˆุงู„ุฎ...ุŒ ูˆุงู„ู…ุนุงูŠูŠุฑ ุŒ ูˆู‡ู„ู… ุฌุฑุง.
Of course, it's also a great liberating force that makes possible, you know, publishing and so forth, and standards, and so on.
ูˆู„ูƒู† ุŒุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู…ุง ุŒุงู„ูƒู…ุจูŠูˆุชุฑ ูŠุฌุนู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู…ูƒู† ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุจูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู…ุง ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏ ู…ุนุธู… ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุŒ ูˆูู†ูŠ ู‚ุฏ ูƒุงู† ูู‚ุท ุญูˆู„ ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ู„ุงูŠุฌุงุฏ ูˆุณูŠู„ุฉ ุดุฎุตูŠุฉ ุจุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุงู„ุญุงุณูˆุจ ุŒ ูˆู‡ูƒุฐุง ุฃู†ุง ุฃู†ู‡ูŠุช ูƒุชุงุจุฉ ุจุฑู†ุงู…ุฌ ู„ู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ.
But, in a way, the computer makes possible much more than what most people think, and my art has just been about trying to find a personal way of using the computer, and so I end up writing software to do that.
ูƒุฑูŠุณ ู‚ุฏ ุทู„ุจ ู…ู†ูŠ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฃุฏุงุก ู‚ุตูŠุฑ ุŒ ูˆู‡ูƒุฐุง ุณุฃุณุชููŠุฏ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช -- ุฑุจู…ุง ุนุดุฑ ุฏู‚ุงุฆู‚ -- ู„ู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ ุŒ ูˆู†ุฃู…ู„ ููŠ ุงู„ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ ุงู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ูู‚ุท ู„ุญุธุฉ ู„ุฃุธู‡ุฑ ู„ูƒู… ุจุนุถ ู…ุดุงุฑูŠุนูŠ ุงู„ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ููŠ ุดูƒู„ ููŠุฏูŠูˆ.
Chris has asked me to do a short performance, and so I'm going to take just this time -- maybe 10 minutes -- to do that, and hopefully at the end have just a moment to show you a couple of my other projects in video form.
ุดูƒุฑุง ู„ูƒู….
Thank you.
. ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุญูˆุงู„ูŠ ุฏู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ู…ุชุจู‚ูŠุฉ.
We've got about a minute left.
ุงู†ู†ูŠ ุงุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุนุฑุถ ู…ู‚ุทุน ู…ู† ู…ุดุฑูˆุน ุญุฏูŠุซ .
I'd just like to show a clip from a most recent project.
ู„ู‚ุฏ ุฃุฏูŠุชู‡ ู…ุน ุงุซู†ูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุบู†ูŠู† ู…ุชุฎุตุตูˆู† ููŠ ุตู†ุน ุฃุตูˆุงุช ุบุฑูŠุจุฉ ุจุฃููˆุงู‡ู‡ู….
I did a performance with two singers who specialize in making strange noises with their mouths.
ูˆู‡ุฐุง ูู‚ุท ุฎุฑุฌ ููŠ ุณุจุชู…ุจุฑ ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠ ููŠ ุขุฑุณ ุฅู„ูŠูƒุชุฑูˆู†ูŠูƒุง ุ› ูƒุฑุฑู†ุง ุฐู„ูƒ ููŠ ุงู†ูƒู„ุชุฑุง.
And this just came off last September at ARS Electronica; we repeated it in England.
ูˆุงู„ููƒุฑุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุฃู† ุชุตูˆุฑ ูƒู„ุงู…ู‡ู…ุง ูˆุบู†ุงุฆู‡ู…ุง ูˆุฑุงุฆู‡ู…ุง ู…ุน ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุดุงุดุฉ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ.
And the idea is to visualize their speech and song behind them with a large screen.
ุงุนุชุฏู†ุง ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุงู„ูƒู…ุจูŠูˆุชุฑ ููŠ ู†ุธุงู… ุงู„ุชุชุจุน ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ู…ูƒุงู† ูˆุฌูˆุฏู‡ู…ุง.
We used a computer vision tracking system in order to know where they were.
ูˆู†ุธุฑุง ู„ุฃู†ู†ุง ู†ุนุฑู ุฃูŠู† ุฑุคูˆุณู‡ู…ุง ุŒ ูˆู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู…ูŠูƒุฑูˆููˆู† ู„ุงุณู„ูƒูŠ ุนู„ูŠู‡ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู†ุฌู‡ู‘ุฒุงู„ุตูˆุช ุนุจุฑู‡ ุŒ ู†ุญู† ู‚ุงุฏุฑูˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ุฎู„ู‚ ุชุตูˆุฑุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฑุชุจุท ุจุชู…ุงุณูƒ ุดุฏูŠุฏ ู…ุน ู…ุง ูŠูุนู„ูˆู†ู‡ ุจุฎุทุงุจู‡ู….
And since we know where their heads are, and we have a wireless mic on them that we're processing the sound from, we're able to create visualizations which are linked very tightly to what they're doing with their speech.
ุณูˆู ู‡ุฐุง ูŠุณุชุบุฑู‚ ู†ุญูˆ 30 ุซุงู†ูŠุฉ ุฃูˆ ู†ุญูˆ ุฐู„ูƒ.
This will take about 30 seconds or so.
ุงู†ู‡ ูŠุตู†ุนุŒ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุŒุตูˆุช ุฎูู‚ุงู† ุงู„ุฎุฏูˆุฏ.
He's making a, kind of, cheek-flapping sound.
ุญุณู†ุงุŒ ูŠูƒููŠ ุงู† ู†ู‚ูˆู„ ุงู†ู‡ุง ู„ูŠุณุช ูƒู„ู‡ุง ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู‚ุจูŠู„ ุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู† ู‡ุฐุง ุฌุฒุก ู…ู†ู‡ุง.
Well, suffice it to say it's not all like that, but that's part of it.
ุดูƒุฑุง ุฌุฒูŠู„ุง. ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฏุงุฆู…ุง ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ.
Thanks very much. There's always lots more.
ู„ู‚ุฏ ุชุฌุงูˆุฒุช ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุŒู„ุฐุง ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ูู‚ุท ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู„ูƒู… ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒู… ุŒ ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุชู… ููŠ ู†ูŠูˆูŠูˆุฑูƒ ุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒู… ุฃู† ุชุชุญู‚ู‚ูˆุง ู…ู† ุนู…ู„ูŠ ููŠ ุจูŠู†ุงู„ูŠ ูˆูŠุชู†ูŠ ุงู„ุงุณุจูˆุน ุงู„ู…ู‚ุจู„ ุŒ ูˆุฃูŠุถุง ููŠ ู…ุนุฑุถ ุจุชููˆุฑู…ุฒ ุบุงู„ูŠุฑูŠุง ููŠ ุชุดูŠู„ุณูŠ.
I'm overtime, so I just wanted to say you can, if you're in New York, you can check out my work at the Whitney Biennial next week, and also at Bitforms Gallery in Chelsea.
ูˆู…ุน ุฐู„ูƒ ุŒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุฃุชุฑุฌู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุณุฑุญุŒ ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุŒ ุดูƒุฑุง ุฌุฒูŠู„ุง.
And with that, I think I should give up the stage, so, thank you so much.
ุฃุญุจ ุฃู† ุฃุชูƒู„ู… ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ุนู† ุฃุซู†ูŠู† ู…ู† ุฃูƒุจุฑ ุงู„ุชูŠุงุฑุงุช ุงู„ุฅุฌุชู…ุงุนูŠุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ุฑู† ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏู… ูˆุฑุจู…ุง ููŠ ุงู„10,000ุณู†ุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏู…ุฉ
I'd like to talk today about the two biggest social trends in the coming century, and perhaps in the next 10,000 years.
ูˆู„ูƒู†ูŠ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุจุฏุฃ ุญุฏูŠุซูŠ ุนู† ุงู„ุญุจ ุงู„ุฑูˆู…ุงู†ุณูŠ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ู† ุขุฎุฑ ุงู„ุจุญูˆุซ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‚ู…ุช ุจู‡ุง.
But I want to start with my work on romantic love, because that's my most recent work.
ูู„ู‚ุฏ ู‚ู…ุช ู…ุน ุฒู…ู„ุงุฆู‰ ุจุชุนุฑูŠุถ 32 ุดุฎุต ู…ู…ู† ูŠุญุจูˆู† ุจุฌู†ูˆู† ู„ุฃุดุนุฉ ุงู„ุฑู†ูŠู† ุงู„ู…ุบู†ุทูŠุณู‰ ู„ู„ู…ุฎ
What I and my colleagues did was put 32 people, who were madly in love, into a functional MRI brain scanner.
17ู…ู…ู† ูƒุงู†ูˆุง ูŠู‡ูŠู…ูˆู† ุจุงู„ุญุจ ุชู…ุณูƒูˆุง ุจุญุจู‡ู… ูˆ 15ู…ู…ู†ู‡ู… ุชู†ุงุฒู„ูˆุง ุนู† ุญุจู‡ู…
17 who were madly in love and their love was accepted; and 15 who were madly in love and they had just been dumped.