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Do you feel like this time would be different?
11orq
Well, I feel like in the past, you know, I've I've been thinking about killing myself seriously, but now, I'm not as scared of it. So I don't really want you to put me in the hospital because then I won't be able to do it. And before I was scared, so I wanted you to put me in the hospital. But now I just want to get it over with and so I really don't want you to do that.
10od
So like I say, a part of you saying that. You don't want me to stop you. But yeah, you came in here and you told me, so part of you seems to you maybe not quite sure.
3gc
I guess, I guess there's, there'll always be a part of me that's a human, you know that that's scared to die. And I care about you, you know, we, I know you're my counselor, but like, we've had a relationship and we talked about these kinds of things. And I, I felt like I owed it to you to, you know, be honest with you about how I was feeling because we've had that relationship in the past. And so I guess I guess I came here because because of that, and because I felt like I just wanted to talk it over. You know, before I did it, because, you know, I come to you to talk about what I'm thinking and so I felt like this would help me. Like gain the final clarity that I needed.
3gc
hasn it helped you gaining clarity?
1irq
I don't know, I guess. I guess I see that you're saying that like, I really need to go to the hospital. I guess I was hoping a little bit that you would be happy for me that I was feeling better. But I think that you want me to go to the hospital. So I don't know. It makes me think about whether it's the right decision. You know,
0id
mean a suicide?
4crq
Yeah.
6cd
But we have done them in the past and I didn't feel better and now I am feeling better. So you know I I just want you to accept that.
0id
Yeah, but I'm feeling better now.
0id
I am torturing them with my sadness, I'm just making their lives miserable. I don't understand how it's gonna help them for me to stay alive. You know, I'm worth more, they can have my life insurance. And, you know, I won't make them suffer anymore.
6cd
So your logic is that if you end your life, you'll freed them from having to deal with
3gc
Yeah. And feels like the right thing to do
7ack
I think that they're scared of the pain of losing me, but I know that they'll feel better eventually.
0id
So they'll feel good over the grief?
4crq
Yeah,
6cd
I understand.
3gc
And I think that they'll understand that I needed this.
3gc
You know, I've been doing this for a while. Right. I think we've come to have a good relationship.
3gc
Yeah.
7ack
Yeah
8op
There's a lot of ways that people die. Right. And it's, it's really what eventually will happen to us all. It's hard for me to imagine way more devastating than suicide. Meaning when somebody dies of an illness, or a car accident or any other type of tragic accident, people grieve, right? But there's usually not a blame assigned to that mean they don't feel guilty. Does that make sense?
3gc
Yeah
7ack
So you believe the note will take away all that pain?
11orq
No, but I think that it will help them realize that they shouldn't feel guilty, like you're saying
10od
it'll mitigate that pain?
4crq
Yeah.
6cd
I just don't know why you can't let me feel better.
3gc
yeah, It's possible.
8op
Ok Lets go
8op
All right. I'll go make those arrangements and we can show you. Okay?
3gc
okay.
7ack
Hi Joe, How are doing today?
2gt
I'm doing okay
2gt
just okay?
4crq
Well, I know we've talked before about me thinking about suicide and I'm starting to think about it, you know, like a little bit stronger than before, I think a little bit more clearly.
6cd
So, can you can tell me a little bit more about that?
1irq
Um, well, one we've talked before, I've had the feelings and the thoughts of suicide, but now it's kind of starting to like I'm thinking about it more often. I'm thinking about a little more clearly and that's alarming to me.
0id
Do you want to die?
5yq
Yeah, I will. Yeah, sometimes
8op
sometimes?
4crq
Um, I mean, you know, sometimes I know, It would be scary to try it and my husband would be so hurt, but at the same time, I want to end this. I want to end the feeling that I'm having depression. Yeah.
6cd
Okay. Do you have any plan as to how you would end your life if you decide to do that?
1irq
I mean, I know if I wanted to that we have pills in the cabinet. So it wouldn't be that hard, I could just take the bottle and
0id
just same pills that you prescribed for depression?
4crq
Yeah.
6cd
Do you feel like you're going to carry out that plan?
5yq
No, I mean, part of it. That's why I'm nervous because like, I'm worried that I might, but at the same time, You know, I'm afraid to so sometimes I think that I might and sometimes I think I won't. I don't want to but sometimes I get scared that I will.
9on
Today you're a little worried that you will, or you're a little closer to it then than usual. We've talked about this before in the past, you've come in, you've had kind of that same plan to pills and the thoughts and what what stops you those times was stuck in the past.
3gc
I mean, I feel I feel a little better. You know, and then I'd say to myself, that was silly, you know, I don't want to do that. I don't, I don't want to end things. You know. It's It's too rash. But you know, it's starting to feel like a permanent problem.
0id
So if you feel like this time these suicidal thoughts are markedly different than what you've experienced before.
4crq
I wouldn't say markedly but I would say they're different. They're a little they're stronger,
6cd
more intense?
4crq
yeah
6cd
When you think about this, these feelings on before we talked about I know this relationship surrounding relationships, the same thing this time?
1irq
I mean, I guess that has something to do with it, I guess. It's just like when I look to everything, like everything that could be good or everything, just everything like life, my relationships, the future I just look at it and I see despair. I just see everything going wrong. And I just don't see how it could get better. I just don't see it
0id
in a sense of hopelessness?
4crq
Yes.
6cd
Probably a week, maybe a little less
0id
What was prevented you from hurting yourself those last week?
1irq
I'm afraid to do it. I'm just scared. It's like It's like jumping off a diving board. Like you get up to the edge and you stand there, that's where that
0id
Have you made any gestures to harm yourself? Like if you went and grabbed the pills or went to the medicine cabinet looks at the pills, anything like that.
1irq
Sometimes I look at them, look at them.
0id
Don't think further than look at them?
1irq
Well, I mean, so I have to take them. It's my prescription. So when it's time I start thinking about it. Like it's more I think about my like, the ideations come even more because it's like a trigger like I'm thinking about the pills. So I go to the cabinet, and I get my pills and I and I take the, the one that I'm supposed to, but I just look at the bottle and I kind of stand there and I just think Instead of putting the bottle back, I could take it with me.
0id
And what do you end up doing?
1irq
It takes a while but I put it back. It's It's scary. Like I look into the bottle and I'm afraid because dying is scary, but
0id
and how about the pain that you would cause husband and the rest of your family?
1irq
Yeah, I don't want to do that.
0id
You don't want that?
5yq
I don't. I don't. I don't want my husband to find me, I don't want him to feel like this is his fault. I don't want him to be sad that I'm gone. I don't want him to feel like I feel.
9on
And when relatives of somebody that committed suicide, hear about the suicide? Who do they blame?
1irq
Yeah. It's not it's not their fault. And I know that they wouldn't be able to get over it and I know that they'll be thinking about how bad I felt they'll have to know what it really felt like for me.
0id
I don't want to
9on
are you going to?
5yq
No, I think I think if I can just remember what it'll be like for them. That'll keep me from doing it. You know, it's the times that I forget to think about how they're going to feel that I get closer to the edge. But when I remember, you know, like, It upsets me to think about what it'll be like for them. So if I can remember to think about that and it'll help me not do that. But I think having the pills there in the cabinet like that is a big temptation for me.
9on
Okay, so can we can we do this? Your husband's at home? Right. You mentioned you take two pills once a day?
3gc
Yeah.
7ack
Before for bed?
4crq
Okay.
6cd
Yeah, I think I think that would be a good idea.
0id
Is there anything else in the medicine cabinet or anywhere else in the house to give you a danger to?
5yq
I think, I think yeah, I think it would be a good idea to just make sure that everything that was in the medicine cabinet
8op
all the tools?
4crq
yeah.
6cd
Would he be willing to do that?
5yq
Right. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think that he would be willing to do that. He doesn't. He wants me to get through this.
8op
Let's be a little certain that okay, sets up that for a more.
3gc
Okay, yeah, we can definitely do that I can do that.
3gc
Yeah
8op
All right. So what do you have planned for us today?
1irq
Um, you know, I'm just gonna go home. My husband will be home. work and have dinner, watch TV.
0id
Um, yeah, I'll probably be home for a little while in the morning, but I have to work so I won't have, you know, I'll be busy.
8op
I'm gonna get that release so you can talk to your husband. And then see it for a few minutes or so point for more. All right.
3gc
Thank you
3gc
Thanks, Joe.
3gc
Are you doing today?
2gt
Okay, how are you?
2gt
I'm doing well. Thanks for asking.
2gt
Yes, um, I would like to be able to kind of I've been feeling a little depressed and I would really like to be able to reduce those depressed you know, the depression.
3gc