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9gv6xs | [Discussion] The future of Tesla looks bright after seeing the new offerings. | With all of the new electric offerings one thing is becoming clear most of the offerings are two years or more behind Tesla. There have been no models introduced with anything close to Tesla aerodynamics. The control electronics motors are not even as efficient as the years old model S. The packaging is for the most part reused ICE engineering leaving no frunk in most and safety that probably will fall short of Tesla as well. In the end all of this translates into higher cost for manufacturing because you need to throw in more batteries for the same range. Tesla knows exactly how important all of these things are and has used lessons learned to make cars for less money. The latest offerings are all going to be sold at near cost and still be expensive. On quantities... Because these cars are sold at a loss they will be made in low quantities. Maybe 1000 a month. Even if four competitors make 1000 a month it will barely make a dent in Tesla sales. Tesla has at least two more years to move forward before any serious competition appears. | droptablestaroops | 2018-09-18 14:14:10 | 139 | e672p7w | Exactly. Moreover Tesla s competitors seem to be competing against Tesla circa 2016. By the time they release a car in 2020 Tesla will have moved the goalposts again. They re so out of touch it s funny. | lessismoreok | 2018-09-18 14:56:38 | 53 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
9gv6xs | [Discussion] The future of Tesla looks bright after seeing the new offerings. | With all of the new electric offerings one thing is becoming clear most of the offerings are two years or more behind Tesla. There have been no models introduced with anything close to Tesla aerodynamics. The control electronics motors are not even as efficient as the years old model S. The packaging is for the most part reused ICE engineering leaving no frunk in most and safety that probably will fall short of Tesla as well. In the end all of this translates into higher cost for manufacturing because you need to throw in more batteries for the same range. Tesla knows exactly how important all of these things are and has used lessons learned to make cars for less money. The latest offerings are all going to be sold at near cost and still be expensive. On quantities... Because these cars are sold at a loss they will be made in low quantities. Maybe 1000 a month. Even if four competitors make 1000 a month it will barely make a dent in Tesla sales. Tesla has at least two more years to move forward before any serious competition appears. | droptablestaroops | 2018-09-18 14:14:10 | 139 | e678etz | Wait until Model Y rips those so-called competitors to pieces | houston_wehaveaprblm | 2018-09-18 16:17:16 | 25 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
9gv6xs | [Discussion] The future of Tesla looks bright after seeing the new offerings. | With all of the new electric offerings one thing is becoming clear most of the offerings are two years or more behind Tesla. There have been no models introduced with anything close to Tesla aerodynamics. The control electronics motors are not even as efficient as the years old model S. The packaging is for the most part reused ICE engineering leaving no frunk in most and safety that probably will fall short of Tesla as well. In the end all of this translates into higher cost for manufacturing because you need to throw in more batteries for the same range. Tesla knows exactly how important all of these things are and has used lessons learned to make cars for less money. The latest offerings are all going to be sold at near cost and still be expensive. On quantities... Because these cars are sold at a loss they will be made in low quantities. Maybe 1000 a month. Even if four competitors make 1000 a month it will barely make a dent in Tesla sales. Tesla has at least two more years to move forward before any serious competition appears. | droptablestaroops | 2018-09-18 14:14:10 | 139 | e673u2i | Global EV sales in 2018 might hit 2M while total automotive sales is ~80M. So a 25% annual growth rate would require ~13 years (2031) to switch over just half that market. That s a high growth rate for such a capital intensive business but seems plausible given the rate of improvement in EVs and how obvious they seem as the long term market. At that growth rate there would be +500k for next year. Tesla will likely add 200k-250k over 2019 so plenty of room. edit: meh. This might be half-baked. | ElonsMonkey | 2018-09-18 15:13:04 | 7 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
9gv6xs | [Discussion] The future of Tesla looks bright after seeing the new offerings. | With all of the new electric offerings one thing is becoming clear most of the offerings are two years or more behind Tesla. There have been no models introduced with anything close to Tesla aerodynamics. The control electronics motors are not even as efficient as the years old model S. The packaging is for the most part reused ICE engineering leaving no frunk in most and safety that probably will fall short of Tesla as well. In the end all of this translates into higher cost for manufacturing because you need to throw in more batteries for the same range. Tesla knows exactly how important all of these things are and has used lessons learned to make cars for less money. The latest offerings are all going to be sold at near cost and still be expensive. On quantities... Because these cars are sold at a loss they will be made in low quantities. Maybe 1000 a month. Even if four competitors make 1000 a month it will barely make a dent in Tesla sales. Tesla has at least two more years to move forward before any serious competition appears. | droptablestaroops | 2018-09-18 14:14:10 | 139 | e67msye | > There have been no models introduced with anything close to Tesla aerodynamics. Well since an EV needs less airflow it ll naturally have a better Cd but the competing EVs certainly haven t shown any real attempts. They re designed like ICEs with looks coming before aerodynamics. Automakers certainly have the *ability* to beat Tesla on aerodynamics since lots of cars have beaten the S and 3 even with ICEs... but they certainly haven t been trying even in the compact market. > The control electronics motors are not even as efficient as the years old model S. The motor was a big deal for a while but not as much as the controls. Tesla s controls have always been impeccable and WAY ahead of the competition in design efficiency and features. When they first started building cars the biggest deal was how they had no cogging torque. Now it s a little less clear. They were dead last to the new salient PM motors- they stuck with inductive until the very last minute basically. That said building motors in house and to the fantastic quality they did was a huge early advantage and the choice to focus on burst capacity was inspired. Nearly as brilliant as going for the huge batteries and prescient when the market was going the complete opposite direction. The new motors are a bit of a mystery still IMO. The dynos are... interesting. They ve got less salience but more rotor iron than the competition in keeping with the burst power philosophy but I m not sure how well it works yet. I keep meaning to do a sim and forgetting. | hwillis | 2018-09-18 19:28:18 | 6 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
9gv6xs | [Discussion] The future of Tesla looks bright after seeing the new offerings. | With all of the new electric offerings one thing is becoming clear most of the offerings are two years or more behind Tesla. There have been no models introduced with anything close to Tesla aerodynamics. The control electronics motors are not even as efficient as the years old model S. The packaging is for the most part reused ICE engineering leaving no frunk in most and safety that probably will fall short of Tesla as well. In the end all of this translates into higher cost for manufacturing because you need to throw in more batteries for the same range. Tesla knows exactly how important all of these things are and has used lessons learned to make cars for less money. The latest offerings are all going to be sold at near cost and still be expensive. On quantities... Because these cars are sold at a loss they will be made in low quantities. Maybe 1000 a month. Even if four competitors make 1000 a month it will barely make a dent in Tesla sales. Tesla has at least two more years to move forward before any serious competition appears. | droptablestaroops | 2018-09-18 14:14:10 | 139 | e674tj6 | Tesla are so clearly way ahead of the game. But pricing really needs to be a focus. I know the company needs to be stable first but these really are rich man toys. The Model 3 is still relatively expensive at $35 000. Pricing has got to come way down I think their asking prices are a little higher than they deserve to be but I get that you re buying a lot of technology. As OP said nobody else is coming close to what Tesla are doing. But they re doing better for price which will ultimately show what gets bought and what doesn t. | SonOfMusk | 2018-09-18 15:27:16 | 5 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
8nmr13 | [Discussion] The last few Autopilot updates have been taking turns really well | Anyone else feel that the past updates or so have been great for sharp turns? It s been reducing my speed by up to 30mph on the sharp highway merge ramp turns. Really comfortable and not stressful like it once was. | caz0 | 2018-05-31 22:37:55 | 48 | dzwqdl8 | I just used parallel park today after not using it for a while. I was going to do it myself but then I thought Why not I ve got time. Although I had already stopped and put it in Park I put it back in Drive and moved up until the P appeared. I told it to do its thing and for the first time—maybe just luck—it did it promptly with just a pull back in and a short skootch up. For the first time faster than I would have done it probably. Makes me want to check perpendicular parking now (that s always been too slow to use in a crowded parking lot when people are waiting no one expects you to adjust it two or three times...). | jpbeans | 2018-05-31 23:20:26 | 18 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8nmr13 | [Discussion] The last few Autopilot updates have been taking turns really well | Anyone else feel that the past updates or so have been great for sharp turns? It s been reducing my speed by up to 30mph on the sharp highway merge ramp turns. Really comfortable and not stressful like it once was. | caz0 | 2018-05-31 22:37:55 | 48 | dzwps2x | I m pretty satisfied with 2018.18.2 except in stop-and-go traffic it s ping ponging quite noticeably in the lane (0-6 mph 0-10 kph) I did not notice this behavior in 2018.12. Anyone else experiencing the same? | 30trillioncells | 2018-05-31 23:10:14 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9t7ml8 | [Discussion] The mystery of the missing media player. | I think that when a very needed feature is strangely missing from a product for an extended period of time it s likely because there s a bigger long-game plan in place that is being executed behind the scenes. CarPlay (or just basic media player support for album artwork etc) checks these boxes for me. Is Tesla waiting to roll out their own native App Store and with it media players from the Apple Spotify? I can t see any advantage for them in keeping things closed except to maybe give their existing streaming partners an exclusive. Have there been any hints or mentions of this? My Model 3 is lagging behind a Camry in this regard. & #x200B | yeahgoestheusername | 2018-11-01 08:23:23 | 10 | e8ujtvc | > Is Tesla waiting to roll out their own native App Store They said they were doing this... in 2012. Keep waiting. | BahktoshRedclaw | 2018-11-01 13:53:52 | 7 | Spotify Gapless Playback |
audhy3 | [Discussion] There was a throw away line in the ARK Invest FYI podcast with Elon Musk that I haven t seen talked about regarding FSD. At 14:25 they are talking about the data gathered whenever a human takes over and that “we are starting to get very good at not even requiring human labeling”. | This seems like a huge deal. Tesla obviously has the most data of any FSD company and is gathering it at exponential rates across all types of climates environments and streets. This is probably the reason they allow you to use it not on the highway. The argument against Tesla being able to scale their FSD exponentially with all the data is the human labelling and need people to analyze each image and categorize the elements in it and also what may have happened. Having the ability to label without humans with this amount of data makes Elon s claims seem of improvement seem that much more realistic. Big deal or not a big deal? | hoppeeness | 2019-02-24 22:32:04 | 72 | eh7kqcv | It seems more of a mixed bag to me. First we ve know they were using takeover events to gain training data for a while now and they ve mentioned it a couple times. This is by far the most reliable way to train the vehicles because it captures events when the driver thinks the car could be more aggressive events where the driver needed to avoid something events where the neural net may have misclassified something events where the radar system did or didn t trigger the right behavior and so on. Basically it s free negative reinforcement training and that s good. Where this is less impressive for me is the human labeling part. That just means their training has got them to a point where they can detect and properly classify objects and likely the action taken in response to those objects. Given the sheer number of miles being driven you d expect them to be pretty well developed down this path. And nearly every other company working on this has already reached this stage. Where other companies are going and Tesla doesn t need to is that they re creating simulated environments to test their networks against. While this can present the vehicle with random scenarios at a high pace these scenarios are entirely computer generated and have varying resemblance to real life. What you actually want to do is build an algorithm that can infer what happens next in the real world. Example a ball bounces out into the road and a human knows a kid might run out after it. The car needs to infer that too. Tesla doesn t need to build these artificial scenarios to test and train their network because they have real humans driving on real roads. No other vendor has that and no other vendor is even getting close to having that. | drdabbles | 2019-02-24 23:57:00 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7xaq3a | [Discussion] This week s Delusional CPO Pricing Report | [2014 Model S 85 single motor pre-Autopilot $78 400](https: www.tesla.com used 5YJSA1H11EFP56387?redirect=no) [2015 Model S 85 single motor AP1 $80 300](https: www.tesla.com used 5YJSA1H10FFP65759?redirect=no) [2014 Model S 60 single motor pre-Autopilot $76 000] (https: www.tesla.com used 5YJSA1S16EFP48746?redirect=no) $76 000 for a pre-autopilot 60!! Wow! | TeslaCpoHunter | 2018-02-13 16:50:08 | 43 | du6ro8q | I ve seen some used ones via EV-CPO that I thought were totally realistic prices - but these are not those. Any feel for why these are so crazy? | passim | 2018-02-13 17:05:28 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7xaq3a | [Discussion] This week s Delusional CPO Pricing Report | [2014 Model S 85 single motor pre-Autopilot $78 400](https: www.tesla.com used 5YJSA1H11EFP56387?redirect=no) [2015 Model S 85 single motor AP1 $80 300](https: www.tesla.com used 5YJSA1H10FFP65759?redirect=no) [2014 Model S 60 single motor pre-Autopilot $76 000] (https: www.tesla.com used 5YJSA1S16EFP48746?redirect=no) $76 000 for a pre-autopilot 60!! Wow! | TeslaCpoHunter | 2018-02-13 16:50:08 | 43 | du71vej | A good part of the CPO inventory is grossly overpriced. And it is by no accident. They are trying to get people to order new cars instead but sooner or later they will have to price the vehicles at what the market would pay. This is not a good time o buy a CPO car. Wait for the price adjustment. | ThermoElectricMan | 2018-02-13 19:40:19 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7xaq3a | [Discussion] This week s Delusional CPO Pricing Report | [2014 Model S 85 single motor pre-Autopilot $78 400](https: www.tesla.com used 5YJSA1H11EFP56387?redirect=no) [2015 Model S 85 single motor AP1 $80 300](https: www.tesla.com used 5YJSA1H10FFP65759?redirect=no) [2014 Model S 60 single motor pre-Autopilot $76 000] (https: www.tesla.com used 5YJSA1S16EFP48746?redirect=no) $76 000 for a pre-autopilot 60!! Wow! | TeslaCpoHunter | 2018-02-13 16:50:08 | 43 | du6xzxx | Tesla obviously doesn t want to sell those cars. Perhaps they are being used as loaner cars. | danielcar | 2018-02-13 18:41:22 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9pguo7 | [Discussion] Thoughts on FSD purchase option being removed | Now that Tesla has officially removed Full Self Driving option for purchase on (Musk mentioned its still available “off the menu” for the next week) it sounds like the opportunity for getting it discounted is going away at least on Model 3 for now. What are thoughts on this? Is Tesla being more careful with their legal obligations and deciding to not sell something to the masses that isn t ready? Or is FSD imminent and about to be full price ($5K+)? | WhyDontTheyAMA | 2018-10-19 05:21:27 | 24 | e81psjl | It s at least 5 years away. They should have never included it | cloudone | 2018-10-19 05:51:44 | 10 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9pguo7 | [Discussion] Thoughts on FSD purchase option being removed | Now that Tesla has officially removed Full Self Driving option for purchase on (Musk mentioned its still available “off the menu” for the next week) it sounds like the opportunity for getting it discounted is going away at least on Model 3 for now. What are thoughts on this? Is Tesla being more careful with their legal obligations and deciding to not sell something to the masses that isn t ready? Or is FSD imminent and about to be full price ($5K+)? | WhyDontTheyAMA | 2018-10-19 05:21:27 | 24 | e81oym2 | I think it has to do with it won t be ready any time soon. | DumberMonkey | 2018-10-19 05:30:31 | 9 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9pguo7 | [Discussion] Thoughts on FSD purchase option being removed | Now that Tesla has officially removed Full Self Driving option for purchase on (Musk mentioned its still available “off the menu” for the next week) it sounds like the opportunity for getting it discounted is going away at least on Model 3 for now. What are thoughts on this? Is Tesla being more careful with their legal obligations and deciding to not sell something to the masses that isn t ready? Or is FSD imminent and about to be full price ($5K+)? | WhyDontTheyAMA | 2018-10-19 05:21:27 | 24 | e81oplx | Nevermind for purchase. It s gone from my vehicle details in my profile too. Presumably temporary but what in the actual fuck | run-the-joules | 2018-10-19 05:24:30 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9pguo7 | [Discussion] Thoughts on FSD purchase option being removed | Now that Tesla has officially removed Full Self Driving option for purchase on (Musk mentioned its still available “off the menu” for the next week) it sounds like the opportunity for getting it discounted is going away at least on Model 3 for now. What are thoughts on this? Is Tesla being more careful with their legal obligations and deciding to not sell something to the masses that isn t ready? Or is FSD imminent and about to be full price ($5K+)? | WhyDontTheyAMA | 2018-10-19 05:21:27 | 24 | e81r5wi | I think they removed it just to avoid consumer confusion. The public doesn t understand what autopilot can and can t do so allowing people to purchase a “full self driving” option for a car when nothing like that is currently available just leads to confusion and bad press. | zoiks66 | 2018-10-19 06:28:49 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
984x1a | [Discussion] Thoughts on affordable ways to protect the paint? Wrap ceramic coat etc. | I ordered an AWD (non-P) in red. I think my time is coming soon so I ve started thinking about how to protect the paint. Ideally I would have it wrapped with PPF and have a ceramic coat applied on top. All of the cost estimates I ve seen for this are well over $5k. Many people like me have a hard time justifying such a large price tag. I d like your help exploring other ways to protect it for less. Do a full wrap on my own: * sounds like it would be extremely hard for me to do it properly * would probably still want a ceramic coat to restore the shiny look unless it has a more satin sheen to it like the XPEL Stealth Have a place partially wrap the front: * still looks pretty expensive * would still want a ceramic coat to protect the rest of the car Do a ceramic coat on my own: * sounds very doable for a decent DIYer * does not protect from larger impacts * this is my leading option at the moment I ve toyed with the idea of dropping the red paint and putting that money towards something like a color wrap. Like I said having a place do a full wrap appears to be way too expensive so I was considering options to do it myself with something like Plastidip (I appreciate constructive criticism but please don t get triggered by this!). I personally don t like matte colors on cars but they do have glossifiers to help deal with that. I also wonder how well a ceramic coat would work over it. On a related note I m very interested in doing something like a chrome delete. Looks like most people have paid a good amount of money for it to be done right. I was thinking I could use something like Plastidip to achieve a similar effect for a lot less. Curious to know what you all think of these options! | daiei27 | 2018-08-17 18:51:42 | 32 | e4dj7za | Summary: Ceramic Coat if you don t want to re-wax the car every 6 months. It should last 5-10 years. Wrap if you want some impact protection. This could be from flying rocks or from key-scratching egg-throwing haters. Must weigh cost vs full repaint occasional paint-repair or living with the blemishes (Consider the bluebook resale value with and without the paint chips -- probably little difference in price). | __________z_________ | 2018-08-17 21:06:45 | 11 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
984x1a | [Discussion] Thoughts on affordable ways to protect the paint? Wrap ceramic coat etc. | I ordered an AWD (non-P) in red. I think my time is coming soon so I ve started thinking about how to protect the paint. Ideally I would have it wrapped with PPF and have a ceramic coat applied on top. All of the cost estimates I ve seen for this are well over $5k. Many people like me have a hard time justifying such a large price tag. I d like your help exploring other ways to protect it for less. Do a full wrap on my own: * sounds like it would be extremely hard for me to do it properly * would probably still want a ceramic coat to restore the shiny look unless it has a more satin sheen to it like the XPEL Stealth Have a place partially wrap the front: * still looks pretty expensive * would still want a ceramic coat to protect the rest of the car Do a ceramic coat on my own: * sounds very doable for a decent DIYer * does not protect from larger impacts * this is my leading option at the moment I ve toyed with the idea of dropping the red paint and putting that money towards something like a color wrap. Like I said having a place do a full wrap appears to be way too expensive so I was considering options to do it myself with something like Plastidip (I appreciate constructive criticism but please don t get triggered by this!). I personally don t like matte colors on cars but they do have glossifiers to help deal with that. I also wonder how well a ceramic coat would work over it. On a related note I m very interested in doing something like a chrome delete. Looks like most people have paid a good amount of money for it to be done right. I was thinking I could use something like Plastidip to achieve a similar effect for a lot less. Curious to know what you all think of these options! | daiei27 | 2018-08-17 18:51:42 | 32 | e4dgei3 | There s a lot of misinformation about ceramic coating going around... and for whatever reason it s very prevalent in this sub. Ceramic coatings are great for easy cleaning to enhance your cars paint look and to help protect against the sun and rain rain spots. It s like wax 2.0. It CAN help provide a barrier when cleaning polishing but it s not meant to be a damage protector. Dealerships have sold this as paint protection for the past several years. I think this mindset has carried over and been skewed over time now that DIY kits are available. This is in no way comparable to what a wrap does. A wrap will prevent rock chips door dings from gouging paint debris scrapes when cleaning etc. The sell on this is that if one of these things happen you remove that panels wrap and replace it. Much higher upfront cost but a hell of a lot cheaper in the long run if you get rock chips or a door ding and need to see a paint repair specialist. Ceramic coating will not do 90% of what a wrap will do in terms of paint protection . In terms of plastidip- heavily read up on this before diving into it. If it s not done right it wont come off and will take your clear coat with it... or it will peel away while you re driving. With all the sensors in these vehicles i m not sure if it s even recommended on anything but trim. Edit- wording | TheTimeIsChow | 2018-08-17 20:23:37 | 10 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
984x1a | [Discussion] Thoughts on affordable ways to protect the paint? Wrap ceramic coat etc. | I ordered an AWD (non-P) in red. I think my time is coming soon so I ve started thinking about how to protect the paint. Ideally I would have it wrapped with PPF and have a ceramic coat applied on top. All of the cost estimates I ve seen for this are well over $5k. Many people like me have a hard time justifying such a large price tag. I d like your help exploring other ways to protect it for less. Do a full wrap on my own: * sounds like it would be extremely hard for me to do it properly * would probably still want a ceramic coat to restore the shiny look unless it has a more satin sheen to it like the XPEL Stealth Have a place partially wrap the front: * still looks pretty expensive * would still want a ceramic coat to protect the rest of the car Do a ceramic coat on my own: * sounds very doable for a decent DIYer * does not protect from larger impacts * this is my leading option at the moment I ve toyed with the idea of dropping the red paint and putting that money towards something like a color wrap. Like I said having a place do a full wrap appears to be way too expensive so I was considering options to do it myself with something like Plastidip (I appreciate constructive criticism but please don t get triggered by this!). I personally don t like matte colors on cars but they do have glossifiers to help deal with that. I also wonder how well a ceramic coat would work over it. On a related note I m very interested in doing something like a chrome delete. Looks like most people have paid a good amount of money for it to be done right. I was thinking I could use something like Plastidip to achieve a similar effect for a lot less. Curious to know what you all think of these options! | daiei27 | 2018-08-17 18:51:42 | 32 | e4dcok8 | Researching this myself at this moment as I m taking delivery of my TM3 soon. I m considering doing a partial front PPF at a shot ($900-$1200 from the quotes I got Seattle area) and then applying the ceramic coat myself (should we within $100 and a day worth s of work). Posted on the daily thread too but what s the best Ceramic Coating product for a DYI? I was recommended CarPro Cquartz UK 3.0 on the other thread. | Tesla_beluga | 2018-08-17 19:29:16 | 8 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
984x1a | [Discussion] Thoughts on affordable ways to protect the paint? Wrap ceramic coat etc. | I ordered an AWD (non-P) in red. I think my time is coming soon so I ve started thinking about how to protect the paint. Ideally I would have it wrapped with PPF and have a ceramic coat applied on top. All of the cost estimates I ve seen for this are well over $5k. Many people like me have a hard time justifying such a large price tag. I d like your help exploring other ways to protect it for less. Do a full wrap on my own: * sounds like it would be extremely hard for me to do it properly * would probably still want a ceramic coat to restore the shiny look unless it has a more satin sheen to it like the XPEL Stealth Have a place partially wrap the front: * still looks pretty expensive * would still want a ceramic coat to protect the rest of the car Do a ceramic coat on my own: * sounds very doable for a decent DIYer * does not protect from larger impacts * this is my leading option at the moment I ve toyed with the idea of dropping the red paint and putting that money towards something like a color wrap. Like I said having a place do a full wrap appears to be way too expensive so I was considering options to do it myself with something like Plastidip (I appreciate constructive criticism but please don t get triggered by this!). I personally don t like matte colors on cars but they do have glossifiers to help deal with that. I also wonder how well a ceramic coat would work over it. On a related note I m very interested in doing something like a chrome delete. Looks like most people have paid a good amount of money for it to be done right. I was thinking I could use something like Plastidip to achieve a similar effect for a lot less. Curious to know what you all think of these options! | daiei27 | 2018-08-17 18:51:42 | 32 | e4ddf3g | i thought hard on this well and opted not to since the price didn t justify the cause. i figured that a ceramic coat will not prevent a high velocity rock chips as i have one on my bumper. the vinyl wrap was beyond budget. and it s not an exotic vehicle to be that price worthy. i figure using hybrid wax and routine hand washing would be more than enough till days end until a repaint in the future for 1 2 the cost of bs detailing. the hype and lure on this by social media is driving the business otherwise. | philsgu | 2018-08-17 19:40:00 | 7 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
984x1a | [Discussion] Thoughts on affordable ways to protect the paint? Wrap ceramic coat etc. | I ordered an AWD (non-P) in red. I think my time is coming soon so I ve started thinking about how to protect the paint. Ideally I would have it wrapped with PPF and have a ceramic coat applied on top. All of the cost estimates I ve seen for this are well over $5k. Many people like me have a hard time justifying such a large price tag. I d like your help exploring other ways to protect it for less. Do a full wrap on my own: * sounds like it would be extremely hard for me to do it properly * would probably still want a ceramic coat to restore the shiny look unless it has a more satin sheen to it like the XPEL Stealth Have a place partially wrap the front: * still looks pretty expensive * would still want a ceramic coat to protect the rest of the car Do a ceramic coat on my own: * sounds very doable for a decent DIYer * does not protect from larger impacts * this is my leading option at the moment I ve toyed with the idea of dropping the red paint and putting that money towards something like a color wrap. Like I said having a place do a full wrap appears to be way too expensive so I was considering options to do it myself with something like Plastidip (I appreciate constructive criticism but please don t get triggered by this!). I personally don t like matte colors on cars but they do have glossifiers to help deal with that. I also wonder how well a ceramic coat would work over it. On a related note I m very interested in doing something like a chrome delete. Looks like most people have paid a good amount of money for it to be done right. I was thinking I could use something like Plastidip to achieve a similar effect for a lot less. Curious to know what you all think of these options! | daiei27 | 2018-08-17 18:51:42 | 32 | e4dlo41 | There was a guy on reddit DIY that did his own car with Alibaba vinyl wrap I think it was about $300 in materials. At that price you can afford to screw up a couple of panels and not even worry about it. Just the time commitment involved. If you chose a matte color I would think that would come out much better for a first timer. | lmaccaro | 2018-08-17 21:44:57 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
ars9za | [Discussion] Thoughts on how the Software Lock on Model X works? Also would you pay the $8k to upgrade from 270 miles to 295? | I m about to buy a new Model X and am considering the 270 mile range vs the 295 mile range. I was surprised to learn that they are literally the same battery and it is just software locked. Because it s the same battery does this mean I ll be able to take the battery closer to 0-> 100 for charging since 8% of it is automatically locked away anyway? Any thoughts on whether there may be deals in the future to unlock it for half price? What do you guys think generally on paying the extra $8k for the 25 miles? I want the 25 miles but $8k for it seems insane... and if it s just a software lock shouldn t I be able to pay to unlock it down the road? | SMcArthur | 2019-02-18 02:41:43 | 17 | egph4ay | Not only are the extra “25” miles not worth it but you can charge the locked version to 100% for daily driving which will virtually nullify the difference under typical conditions anyway. Get the cheaper version - it s the best value per dollar the MX has ever had even with the smaller tax credit compared to last year. And because it s software locked there s always a possibility it could be unlocked in the future - for a price. | varmint700 | 2019-02-18 03:46:34 | 23 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ars9za | [Discussion] Thoughts on how the Software Lock on Model X works? Also would you pay the $8k to upgrade from 270 miles to 295? | I m about to buy a new Model X and am considering the 270 mile range vs the 295 mile range. I was surprised to learn that they are literally the same battery and it is just software locked. Because it s the same battery does this mean I ll be able to take the battery closer to 0-> 100 for charging since 8% of it is automatically locked away anyway? Any thoughts on whether there may be deals in the future to unlock it for half price? What do you guys think generally on paying the extra $8k for the 25 miles? I want the 25 miles but $8k for it seems insane... and if it s just a software lock shouldn t I be able to pay to unlock it down the road? | SMcArthur | 2019-02-18 02:41:43 | 17 | egpe41o | Those 25 miles in the real world is like 15. Meaningless. | aznkukuboi | 2019-02-18 03:04:15 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82h3gt | [Discussion] Thoughts on new Rimac Concept Two all electric 1914 bhp car? | One of the videos from new unveiling https: www.youtube.com watch?v=XvjvYzzBh-k | _underrated_ | 2018-03-06 18:02:42 | 30 | dva2dpu | Cool things about it: 0.71 kW kg claimed to do 2 Nurburgring laps without thermal throttling over 400 km h top speed. If Tesla didn t announce the 200 kWh future Roadster nobody would hesitate to call this the greatest electric car ever made. Given the track performance claimed it s still likely to gain the title of the best performing EV that is also road legal. I doubt Tesla will focus enough on track performance they re more interested in the range and acceleration. | chilltrek97 | 2018-03-06 18:48:15 | 21 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82h3gt | [Discussion] Thoughts on new Rimac Concept Two all electric 1914 bhp car? | One of the videos from new unveiling https: www.youtube.com watch?v=XvjvYzzBh-k | _underrated_ | 2018-03-06 18:02:42 | 30 | dva1khn | Lets see it on the Grand Tour! My vote for that. | tadeuska | 2018-03-06 18:36:08 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82h3gt | [Discussion] Thoughts on new Rimac Concept Two all electric 1914 bhp car? | One of the videos from new unveiling https: www.youtube.com watch?v=XvjvYzzBh-k | _underrated_ | 2018-03-06 18:02:42 | 30 | dva69ob | Another really cool thing that nobody s particularly been talking about yet: 250 kW charging (CCS judging by the port which uses the European version of it). That much power would provide around 140 miles NEDC-rated range (or ~94 miles EPA-rated) every ten minutes. We ve been hearing Volkswagen group talking about 350 kW capability for a while Porsche has been installing chargers rated for that and Elon made a vague implication in a tweet a bit over a year ago but this is the first time we ve seen something like this from another manufacturer. Should be an indication of where the high end of the industry will be in 2020. Also Rimac s planning on expanding their sales - the Concept_One was essentially a tech demonstrator with only a single-figure production run. They re hoping to make 150 units of the C_Two which would make Rimac an established brand in the Pagani Koenigsegg league. Still not exactly something you re likely to come across every day even in Dubai but it s a significant expansion. | CountVertigo | 2018-03-06 19:47:23 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82h3gt | [Discussion] Thoughts on new Rimac Concept Two all electric 1914 bhp car? | One of the videos from new unveiling https: www.youtube.com watch?v=XvjvYzzBh-k | _underrated_ | 2018-03-06 18:02:42 | 30 | dva0bov | It looks cool. I doubt that they will develop level 4 autonomy anytime soon. | Feynman6 | 2018-03-06 18:17:43 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82h3gt | [Discussion] Thoughts on new Rimac Concept Two all electric 1914 bhp car? | One of the videos from new unveiling https: www.youtube.com watch?v=XvjvYzzBh-k | _underrated_ | 2018-03-06 18:02:42 | 30 | dva0lq0 | It s awesome. I ll never afford it but it s awesome. | assblast420 | 2018-03-06 18:21:48 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82h3gt | [Discussion] Thoughts on new Rimac Concept Two all electric 1914 bhp car? | One of the videos from new unveiling https: www.youtube.com watch?v=XvjvYzzBh-k | _underrated_ | 2018-03-06 18:02:42 | 30 | dva1m79 | Power: 1 914hp 2 300Nm torque Engine: four electric motors 0-100km h: 1.85 seconds Top speed: 415 km h (258 mp h) 403mile range 72 ECUs and processors 0-186mph in 11.8 seconds Facial recognition system etc... | _underrated_ | 2018-03-06 18:36:50 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82h3gt | [Discussion] Thoughts on new Rimac Concept Two all electric 1914 bhp car? | One of the videos from new unveiling https: www.youtube.com watch?v=XvjvYzzBh-k | _underrated_ | 2018-03-06 18:02:42 | 30 | dva288q | Fucking awesome! | _ohm_my | 2018-03-06 18:45:58 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82h3gt | [Discussion] Thoughts on new Rimac Concept Two all electric 1914 bhp car? | One of the videos from new unveiling https: www.youtube.com watch?v=XvjvYzzBh-k | _underrated_ | 2018-03-06 18:02:42 | 30 | dva6slv | I know it s subjective but I don t care much for the design too much unnecessary stuff going on. I ll take the 2020 roadster thanks 😊 | woek | 2018-03-06 19:55:14 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8z5u2m | [Discussion] Tips on camping inside a Model S? | Planning a camping trip with the Model S to Joshua Tree National Park and I m trying to figure out what I need to buy. I ve never been camping (even tent camping) before. So far the plan is to get a large piece of cardboard and use an old blanket as a mattress. I ll keep the car on by not closing the door all the way (will the lock engage?). Is there a way to keep the car on and locked but not shut off? I know there s the hotdog method but i d rather not resort to that if possible... Is there anything else I d need for a 1 night camping trip in general? | elomhusk | 2018-07-15 23:00:58 | 30 | e2gdpl3 | You can just click the button on the screen to keep the climate on. There is also this app but you need to have a signal. Camper for Tesla by Joao Nunes https: itunes.apple.com us app camper-for-tesla id1227483065?mt=8 I would suggest you test sleeping in the car in advance. The hump in the trunk from the rear seats is very noticeable and the angle is not flat. | ThaiTum | 2018-07-16 00:02:37 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8z5u2m | [Discussion] Tips on camping inside a Model S? | Planning a camping trip with the Model S to Joshua Tree National Park and I m trying to figure out what I need to buy. I ve never been camping (even tent camping) before. So far the plan is to get a large piece of cardboard and use an old blanket as a mattress. I ll keep the car on by not closing the door all the way (will the lock engage?). Is there a way to keep the car on and locked but not shut off? I know there s the hotdog method but i d rather not resort to that if possible... Is there anything else I d need for a 1 night camping trip in general? | elomhusk | 2018-07-15 23:00:58 | 30 | e2gar7t | Try [this](https: cleantechnica.com 2017 08 13 sleep-tesla-model-s-model-x ). | AWildDragon | 2018-07-15 23:08:44 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7qggtz | [Discussion] To buy full self driving or not to buy? Are only the early buyers protected from hardware obsolescence? | I fully expect FSD to take quite a while to get done and I m aware of the $1000 penalty for not buying it upfront. (I guess you could look at is as an early buyer s discount as well). However Elon has left the door open to the possibility that the current model 3 s may not have the computational horse power to provide FSD at the desired margin of error but that Tesla would cover any hardware upgrades should there need to be any. Is this guaranteed only to the early buyers? Will the late buyers have to pay the extra $1000 plus the cost of any new hardware? | JBStroodle | 2018-01-15 01:58:29 | 15 | dsp5z31 | I wish we would not use terms like guaranteed. Just because Elon tweeted it or mentioned it somewhere doesn t mean you have a legal guarantee from Tesla that they will update your car no matter what no matter what you already paid for. In fact historcally you should expect with Tesla that you WILL be left behind. Remember the [other Elon tweet](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 822984601630953477?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw& ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitaltrends.com%2Fcars%2Ftesla-wont-stop-innovating-elon-musk%2F): > Tesla will never stop innovating. People are buying the wrong car if they expect this. There will be major revs every 12 to 18 months. | beastpilot | 2018-01-15 04:07:03 | 5 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7r5h32 | [Discussion] Trading spots in the queue? | I have a day 1 reservation and I m a non-owner. I expect to be able to place my order in the coming weeks. Problem is I m only interested in AWD which is currently estimated for Q4 or maybe Q1 next year. Of course if I wait for that the tax credit drops from $7 500 to maybe $3 750 and more likely $1 875. So... what if I found somebody with a later spot in the queue and offered to trade spots in exchange for the tax credit? My swap partner gets their car much earlier for the same price they would have paid anyway and I get my AWD car when it s available and still save $7 500 on it? It s a win-win. Is it possible to allow a friend to title a car built using my reservation and vice-versa? | ishopsmart | 2018-01-17 23:51:05 | 16 | dsuczuz | I have a later reservation and if it is possible I would love to do this. | EveryDayYacks | 2018-01-17 23:59:32 | 9 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
7r5h32 | [Discussion] Trading spots in the queue? | I have a day 1 reservation and I m a non-owner. I expect to be able to place my order in the coming weeks. Problem is I m only interested in AWD which is currently estimated for Q4 or maybe Q1 next year. Of course if I wait for that the tax credit drops from $7 500 to maybe $3 750 and more likely $1 875. So... what if I found somebody with a later spot in the queue and offered to trade spots in exchange for the tax credit? My swap partner gets their car much earlier for the same price they would have paid anyway and I get my AWD car when it s available and still save $7 500 on it? It s a win-win. Is it possible to allow a friend to title a car built using my reservation and vice-versa? | ishopsmart | 2018-01-17 23:51:05 | 16 | dsud18d | One thing I could see is being co owners on the cars would work. But that s a good friend to trust them with that. | feurie | 2018-01-18 00:00:13 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
7r5h32 | [Discussion] Trading spots in the queue? | I have a day 1 reservation and I m a non-owner. I expect to be able to place my order in the coming weeks. Problem is I m only interested in AWD which is currently estimated for Q4 or maybe Q1 next year. Of course if I wait for that the tax credit drops from $7 500 to maybe $3 750 and more likely $1 875. So... what if I found somebody with a later spot in the queue and offered to trade spots in exchange for the tax credit? My swap partner gets their car much earlier for the same price they would have paid anyway and I get my AWD car when it s available and still save $7 500 on it? It s a win-win. Is it possible to allow a friend to title a car built using my reservation and vice-versa? | ishopsmart | 2018-01-17 23:51:05 | 16 | dsukjmk | Easy. All you have to do is marry a complete stranger that has the reservation you want. | REBWEH | 2018-01-18 02:23:59 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
7r5h32 | [Discussion] Trading spots in the queue? | I have a day 1 reservation and I m a non-owner. I expect to be able to place my order in the coming weeks. Problem is I m only interested in AWD which is currently estimated for Q4 or maybe Q1 next year. Of course if I wait for that the tax credit drops from $7 500 to maybe $3 750 and more likely $1 875. So... what if I found somebody with a later spot in the queue and offered to trade spots in exchange for the tax credit? My swap partner gets their car much earlier for the same price they would have paid anyway and I get my AWD car when it s available and still save $7 500 on it? It s a win-win. Is it possible to allow a friend to title a car built using my reservation and vice-versa? | ishopsmart | 2018-01-17 23:51:05 | 16 | dsus4h2 | Answered this before but it likely needs to be repeated and socialized more. I used a family member s position (they didn t want to wait and bought an S which prioritized their 3 reservation). The reservation and the title of the car are two separate components. *I do not recommend this if you don t trust the person holding the reservation to be used.* Tesla will not transfer reservations (as of 12 24 17) Tesla doesn t need to Login as the reservation holder after receiving the email saying you can order Enter your credit card for the $2500 order deposit and commit the $1000 reservation deposit *You will have to workout refunding the $1000 to the reservation holder separately* Following that step you enter the information for title and ownership. This is what gets you the car. You will need to receive emails from the reservation holder or add yourself as a secondary including phone number. Tesla may contact the original reservation holder to verify the transaction and you will need them again to move your VIN to your login at delivery. That s it. Very simple. *Tesla may change the process - this is what worked for me* | 1st3inAZ | 2018-01-18 05:03:17 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
7w5jmx | [Discussion] Transcript of Elon Musk s comments on self-driving from Tesla Q4 Conference Call | Hear the conference call at https: edge.media-server.com m6 p iufenmyd dmediaset audio The comments about self-driving cars starts around 21:30 beginning with a question from Goldman Sachs. This is the best I can do for a transcript. Elon Musk: There are actually three Tesla systems there are cameras redundant forward cameras there is the forward radar and there are the ultrasonics for the near field important for near field stuff important as it is for humans. It s pretty obvious that the road system is geared toward passive optical. We have to solve passive optical image recognition we must solve it extremely well to drive in any given environment in a changing environment. We must solve passive optical image recognition... At the point at which you have solved it extremely well what is the point in having active optical? meaning LIDAR? Which cannot read signs in my view it is just a crutch that will drive companies to a local maximum that they will find is very difficult to get out of. If you take the hard path of a sophisticated neural net that is capable of advanced image recognition then I think you achieve the global maximum. And if you combine that with radar if you have to pick an active photon generator doing so in the 400-700 nanometer wavelength is pretty silly since you re getting that passively. You would want to do active photon generation in the radar frequencies around 4 millimeters because that is occlusion penetrating and you can essentially see through snow and rain and dust fog anything. I find it quite puzzling that companies would choose to do an active photon system in the wrong wavelength. It s expensive equipment which makes the car expensive ugly and unnecessary. I think they will find themselves at a competitive disadvantage. Perhaps I am wrong in which case I will look like a fool. But I am quite certain that I am not. The autonomous coast-to-coast drive is discussed around 29:00. | Mi75d | 2018-02-08 15:28:32 | 82 | dtxmn5u | He s actually got a good point. Right now the biggest day to day failure for AP2 (I mean if we forget the rare occurrence of plowing into fire trucks) is lane recognition failure leading to terrible steering behavior. Even on LIDAR equipped self driving cars LIDAR is not being used to read lane lines. Those cars still use multiple cameras in each direction to do that just like a Tesla. They are augmented by HD maps which is also what Tesla is working on. Tesla s biggest deficiency right now is in the vision part of their algorithms. Recognizing curbs and cones as no-go zones. Avoiding cars creeping into your lane. Sure LIDAR buys you a little more in terms of detecting stopped cars more robustly but even that s not a silver bullet. For example if you are on a curved highway with a car parked on the shoulder LIDAR will still freak out and say OMG THERE IS A STOPPED CAR. It s your vision or maps that says “don t worry that car is not in my lane”. You re gonna have to solve the vision problem anyway. And it seems like once you do the benefits of LIDAR and even arguably RADAR are limited. P.S. It ll be interesting to see what happens when others try to wean off or cost reduce their sensor array. There s no way that Ford Waymo or anyone else is planning on selling cars with $3000 cameras with cinematography grade lenses or fancy Velodyne LIDAR arrays. And when they change their sensor array they ll likely have to go through a period of degraded performance and have to solve another set of quirks with their new sensors. Whether or not the data and algorithms they ve curated on their current sensor array directly translates to other hardware platforms is not clear. | chillaban | 2018-02-08 15:36:40 | 30 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7w5jmx | [Discussion] Transcript of Elon Musk s comments on self-driving from Tesla Q4 Conference Call | Hear the conference call at https: edge.media-server.com m6 p iufenmyd dmediaset audio The comments about self-driving cars starts around 21:30 beginning with a question from Goldman Sachs. This is the best I can do for a transcript. Elon Musk: There are actually three Tesla systems there are cameras redundant forward cameras there is the forward radar and there are the ultrasonics for the near field important for near field stuff important as it is for humans. It s pretty obvious that the road system is geared toward passive optical. We have to solve passive optical image recognition we must solve it extremely well to drive in any given environment in a changing environment. We must solve passive optical image recognition... At the point at which you have solved it extremely well what is the point in having active optical? meaning LIDAR? Which cannot read signs in my view it is just a crutch that will drive companies to a local maximum that they will find is very difficult to get out of. If you take the hard path of a sophisticated neural net that is capable of advanced image recognition then I think you achieve the global maximum. And if you combine that with radar if you have to pick an active photon generator doing so in the 400-700 nanometer wavelength is pretty silly since you re getting that passively. You would want to do active photon generation in the radar frequencies around 4 millimeters because that is occlusion penetrating and you can essentially see through snow and rain and dust fog anything. I find it quite puzzling that companies would choose to do an active photon system in the wrong wavelength. It s expensive equipment which makes the car expensive ugly and unnecessary. I think they will find themselves at a competitive disadvantage. Perhaps I am wrong in which case I will look like a fool. But I am quite certain that I am not. The autonomous coast-to-coast drive is discussed around 29:00. | Mi75d | 2018-02-08 15:28:32 | 82 | dtxr2lc | Side note its amazing that he can rifle off this response on the fly that has more complexity than my reading comprehension of the specifics. | altimas | 2018-02-08 16:45:50 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7w5jmx | [Discussion] Transcript of Elon Musk s comments on self-driving from Tesla Q4 Conference Call | Hear the conference call at https: edge.media-server.com m6 p iufenmyd dmediaset audio The comments about self-driving cars starts around 21:30 beginning with a question from Goldman Sachs. This is the best I can do for a transcript. Elon Musk: There are actually three Tesla systems there are cameras redundant forward cameras there is the forward radar and there are the ultrasonics for the near field important for near field stuff important as it is for humans. It s pretty obvious that the road system is geared toward passive optical. We have to solve passive optical image recognition we must solve it extremely well to drive in any given environment in a changing environment. We must solve passive optical image recognition... At the point at which you have solved it extremely well what is the point in having active optical? meaning LIDAR? Which cannot read signs in my view it is just a crutch that will drive companies to a local maximum that they will find is very difficult to get out of. If you take the hard path of a sophisticated neural net that is capable of advanced image recognition then I think you achieve the global maximum. And if you combine that with radar if you have to pick an active photon generator doing so in the 400-700 nanometer wavelength is pretty silly since you re getting that passively. You would want to do active photon generation in the radar frequencies around 4 millimeters because that is occlusion penetrating and you can essentially see through snow and rain and dust fog anything. I find it quite puzzling that companies would choose to do an active photon system in the wrong wavelength. It s expensive equipment which makes the car expensive ugly and unnecessary. I think they will find themselves at a competitive disadvantage. Perhaps I am wrong in which case I will look like a fool. But I am quite certain that I am not. The autonomous coast-to-coast drive is discussed around 29:00. | Mi75d | 2018-02-08 15:28:32 | 82 | dtzuqdu | > in my view **it is just a crutch** that will drive companies to a local maximum that they will find is very difficult to get out of. Kind of like a $2 rain sensor? I m going to say that he fell for the classic Engineer Mindset Trap. He wanted to solve the problem in the most elegant universal engineering solution possible. He wants a solution that s infinitely scalable that is a general solution that uses the minimum resources that once its been solved can be reused without throwing away work and free completely of hacks. The problem with the Engineering Mindset Trap is it always takes way longer than the ugly hack. A $2 rain sensor is an ugly hack... that works well enough for most people that you don t really need to spend 3 years on a Neural Network. Lidar is an ugly hack. But it s an ugly hack that works really really well. | im_thatoneguy | 2018-02-09 18:03:24 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
fu2plr | [Discussion] Transferability of FSD option | I d appreciate others thoughts and sentiment regarding the possibility of transferability of the FSD option for owners looking to upgrade their cars. By way of anecdote I purchased a RWD with FSD when the Model 3 was first announced and upgraded to a P3D a year later again with FSD. During the sale of the RWD the FSD option was not really priced into the resale value of the car. I m looking at potentially selling my P3D to get the Model Y but just thinking about purchasing FSD at full price again induces heart palpitations. How do other owners feel about being able to transfer the FSD option if you decide to purchase another Tesla? It also seems to be potentially in Tesla s best interest to make it transferable so that the software is valued as highly as Elon suggests it should (increasing in price in the future) and it s a + for supporters and owners who remain loyal to Tesla when they upgrade their vehicles. | jl2fa | 2020-04-03 05:43:27 | 28 | fmai7gr | Tesla s handling of FSD software is my #1 concern in Tesla s future and the primary reason why I m not long TSLA. This business model is going to bite them in the ass in the long term and they might be in too deep already. | iiixii | 2020-04-03 06:23:09 | 15 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8la8uh | [Discussion] Trying to convince HOA for personal NEMA 14-50 plug outside garage | I am about to get my model3 and my HOA has rejected my proposal to install nema plug right outside my garage (my own private driveway). Unfortunately even though it s town home my home is under HOA. They reason someone might topple on wire. It s NJ state. Tonight I am planning to attend their meeting and come up with logical reasoning. It s single car garage home and even i want i can t empty out garage to park car inside for charging. And most of times I need to charge my car once or twice in a week. (I will share picture in comments). EDIT: Why i don t park inside? Single car garage and family of 4 .. bicycles small work bench and misc stuff. I will be more than happy to park inside (my precious car) but it won t practical. Even small scratch on side will be disappointing. I want to be ready legally too. Is there any NJ or Federal law something like right to charge . (Google didn t help me). ------ Second EDIT: As i will be installing NEMA 14-50 (with nema adapter inside) almost 3 feet above ground. And I will pull in other cable from car only for charging purpose. Hence there won t be any cable on ground at any time except while my car is backed up to garage door and being charged. And plug will on side of garage with no active walkway. No mailman .. and no neighbors or even landscaping guys. ----- Thanks for all responses. As we all understand HOA is being unreasonable And also have rights to say NO. But I still need to get permission. If they still reject it then I will have to talk to some local HOA lawyer and in mean time put plug inside garage. (ironically i will be still parking in front of garage which charging wire is coming from inside. :) ) | ajainy | 2018-05-22 14:07:30 | 22 | dzdzlzr | Typically HOAs require you park a car inside a garage so I wouldn t necessarily lead with there s too much stuff in there. I would probably ask for an exception state that you ll get signatures from immediate neighbors for approval and house the outlet in a cover that can be painted the same color as the house. Just my 2 cents. | mr-vandelay | 2018-05-22 14:37:52 | 9 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8la8uh | [Discussion] Trying to convince HOA for personal NEMA 14-50 plug outside garage | I am about to get my model3 and my HOA has rejected my proposal to install nema plug right outside my garage (my own private driveway). Unfortunately even though it s town home my home is under HOA. They reason someone might topple on wire. It s NJ state. Tonight I am planning to attend their meeting and come up with logical reasoning. It s single car garage home and even i want i can t empty out garage to park car inside for charging. And most of times I need to charge my car once or twice in a week. (I will share picture in comments). EDIT: Why i don t park inside? Single car garage and family of 4 .. bicycles small work bench and misc stuff. I will be more than happy to park inside (my precious car) but it won t practical. Even small scratch on side will be disappointing. I want to be ready legally too. Is there any NJ or Federal law something like right to charge . (Google didn t help me). ------ Second EDIT: As i will be installing NEMA 14-50 (with nema adapter inside) almost 3 feet above ground. And I will pull in other cable from car only for charging purpose. Hence there won t be any cable on ground at any time except while my car is backed up to garage door and being charged. And plug will on side of garage with no active walkway. No mailman .. and no neighbors or even landscaping guys. ----- Thanks for all responses. As we all understand HOA is being unreasonable And also have rights to say NO. But I still need to get permission. If they still reject it then I will have to talk to some local HOA lawyer and in mean time put plug inside garage. (ironically i will be still parking in front of garage which charging wire is coming from inside. :) ) | ajainy | 2018-05-22 14:07:30 | 22 | dzdxtz8 | Image showing physical location of proposed plug and how car will get parked. [image](https: imgur.com YIt31jQ) | ajainy | 2018-05-22 14:08:41 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8la8uh | [Discussion] Trying to convince HOA for personal NEMA 14-50 plug outside garage | I am about to get my model3 and my HOA has rejected my proposal to install nema plug right outside my garage (my own private driveway). Unfortunately even though it s town home my home is under HOA. They reason someone might topple on wire. It s NJ state. Tonight I am planning to attend their meeting and come up with logical reasoning. It s single car garage home and even i want i can t empty out garage to park car inside for charging. And most of times I need to charge my car once or twice in a week. (I will share picture in comments). EDIT: Why i don t park inside? Single car garage and family of 4 .. bicycles small work bench and misc stuff. I will be more than happy to park inside (my precious car) but it won t practical. Even small scratch on side will be disappointing. I want to be ready legally too. Is there any NJ or Federal law something like right to charge . (Google didn t help me). ------ Second EDIT: As i will be installing NEMA 14-50 (with nema adapter inside) almost 3 feet above ground. And I will pull in other cable from car only for charging purpose. Hence there won t be any cable on ground at any time except while my car is backed up to garage door and being charged. And plug will on side of garage with no active walkway. No mailman .. and no neighbors or even landscaping guys. ----- Thanks for all responses. As we all understand HOA is being unreasonable And also have rights to say NO. But I still need to get permission. If they still reject it then I will have to talk to some local HOA lawyer and in mean time put plug inside garage. (ironically i will be still parking in front of garage which charging wire is coming from inside. :) ) | ajainy | 2018-05-22 14:07:30 | 22 | dze08ew | Other ideas: use a cord cover or bury the cord and install a small [charger in the yard](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=pFaseqe06OM) so no one should be walking between the cord and the car. | rnelsonee | 2018-05-22 14:47:41 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8la8uh | [Discussion] Trying to convince HOA for personal NEMA 14-50 plug outside garage | I am about to get my model3 and my HOA has rejected my proposal to install nema plug right outside my garage (my own private driveway). Unfortunately even though it s town home my home is under HOA. They reason someone might topple on wire. It s NJ state. Tonight I am planning to attend their meeting and come up with logical reasoning. It s single car garage home and even i want i can t empty out garage to park car inside for charging. And most of times I need to charge my car once or twice in a week. (I will share picture in comments). EDIT: Why i don t park inside? Single car garage and family of 4 .. bicycles small work bench and misc stuff. I will be more than happy to park inside (my precious car) but it won t practical. Even small scratch on side will be disappointing. I want to be ready legally too. Is there any NJ or Federal law something like right to charge . (Google didn t help me). ------ Second EDIT: As i will be installing NEMA 14-50 (with nema adapter inside) almost 3 feet above ground. And I will pull in other cable from car only for charging purpose. Hence there won t be any cable on ground at any time except while my car is backed up to garage door and being charged. And plug will on side of garage with no active walkway. No mailman .. and no neighbors or even landscaping guys. ----- Thanks for all responses. As we all understand HOA is being unreasonable And also have rights to say NO. But I still need to get permission. If they still reject it then I will have to talk to some local HOA lawyer and in mean time put plug inside garage. (ironically i will be still parking in front of garage which charging wire is coming from inside. :) ) | ajainy | 2018-05-22 14:07:30 | 22 | dze2p46 | They re being ridiculous I m sure neighbours of yours are more *dangerous* just by having garden hoses slightly hanging. You may as well compare it to a shorter garden hose that doesn t lay hidden in the grass where people legitimately won t see it and trip on it. | Kevenam | 2018-05-22 15:26:06 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
apwlg9 | [Discussion] Trying to decide between mid and long range Model 3 | I am highly interested in getting a model 3 (coming from a Focus ST which is a manual transmission car with absolutely no safety tech) and I am at a conundrum within my price point. I can either go for a mid-range model 3 with autopilot OR a long range without autopilot to stay within my price range. Looking for some suggestions guidance! I do quite a bit of freeway driving (\~50-60 miles per day) live in the wintery midwest love the act of driving and have an unquenchable need for speed. | ericbutler306 | 2019-02-12 18:39:10 | 11 | egbnjy7 | I would go with the long range and then add on the auto pilot at a later point when you acquire more money | coltenbrown | 2019-02-12 18:40:33 | 39 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
apwlg9 | [Discussion] Trying to decide between mid and long range Model 3 | I am highly interested in getting a model 3 (coming from a Focus ST which is a manual transmission car with absolutely no safety tech) and I am at a conundrum within my price point. I can either go for a mid-range model 3 with autopilot OR a long range without autopilot to stay within my price range. Looking for some suggestions guidance! I do quite a bit of freeway driving (\~50-60 miles per day) live in the wintery midwest love the act of driving and have an unquenchable need for speed. | ericbutler306 | 2019-02-12 18:39:10 | 11 | egbnp58 | LR. In the cold your range will drop LR charges faster. | 1st3inAZ | 2019-02-12 18:42:06 | 15 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
apwlg9 | [Discussion] Trying to decide between mid and long range Model 3 | I am highly interested in getting a model 3 (coming from a Focus ST which is a manual transmission car with absolutely no safety tech) and I am at a conundrum within my price point. I can either go for a mid-range model 3 with autopilot OR a long range without autopilot to stay within my price range. Looking for some suggestions guidance! I do quite a bit of freeway driving (\~50-60 miles per day) live in the wintery midwest love the act of driving and have an unquenchable need for speed. | ericbutler306 | 2019-02-12 18:39:10 | 11 | egbpjlx | LR > AWD > AP and winter tires > > AWD | colddata | 2019-02-12 19:02:04 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
apwlg9 | [Discussion] Trying to decide between mid and long range Model 3 | I am highly interested in getting a model 3 (coming from a Focus ST which is a manual transmission car with absolutely no safety tech) and I am at a conundrum within my price point. I can either go for a mid-range model 3 with autopilot OR a long range without autopilot to stay within my price range. Looking for some suggestions guidance! I do quite a bit of freeway driving (\~50-60 miles per day) live in the wintery midwest love the act of driving and have an unquenchable need for speed. | ericbutler306 | 2019-02-12 18:39:10 | 11 | egbnwvp | Also coming from a focus. I m not sure what I m going to buy yet but I m in the same boat as you. I would personally get the AWD and save up for ap later. You can always get the software later not the second motor. But if you don t need awd it s a tougher decision. What I want most is the bigger battery. Since I m in Michigan I know I m already sacrificing a decent amount of range during the cold here. | cjbrigol | 2019-02-12 18:44:28 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
apwlg9 | [Discussion] Trying to decide between mid and long range Model 3 | I am highly interested in getting a model 3 (coming from a Focus ST which is a manual transmission car with absolutely no safety tech) and I am at a conundrum within my price point. I can either go for a mid-range model 3 with autopilot OR a long range without autopilot to stay within my price range. Looking for some suggestions guidance! I do quite a bit of freeway driving (\~50-60 miles per day) live in the wintery midwest love the act of driving and have an unquenchable need for speed. | ericbutler306 | 2019-02-12 18:39:10 | 11 | egbqxl1 | I m from Ohio and happy I went with the LR AWD. Several times the extra 60 miles of range have come in real handy. | RedRoverAWD | 2019-02-12 19:17:37 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
apwlg9 | [Discussion] Trying to decide between mid and long range Model 3 | I am highly interested in getting a model 3 (coming from a Focus ST which is a manual transmission car with absolutely no safety tech) and I am at a conundrum within my price point. I can either go for a mid-range model 3 with autopilot OR a long range without autopilot to stay within my price range. Looking for some suggestions guidance! I do quite a bit of freeway driving (\~50-60 miles per day) live in the wintery midwest love the act of driving and have an unquenchable need for speed. | ericbutler306 | 2019-02-12 18:39:10 | 11 | egcjfsx | I have an MR live in Midwest (Cincinnati) and have no home or work charging. So I m currently living in the worst case scenario EV wise. I ve had the car for two months and it s been incredible. My commute is 9 miles and when it s cold I use about 15-20 miles each way. My wife and I go grocery shopping once a week and use the Meijer supercharger to fill up to 90%. I supplement this with level 2 chargers I find via PlugShare at some locations we go for shopping drinking. For emergencies I can use the destination charger at the hotel one block away for $10 24hrs. Range has never been an issue but I can t stress enough to buy the best car you can afford comfortably whether that be a P100D or an MR. They share the same DNA and are all incredible cars. | Vol16 | 2019-02-13 00:48:04 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
apwlg9 | [Discussion] Trying to decide between mid and long range Model 3 | I am highly interested in getting a model 3 (coming from a Focus ST which is a manual transmission car with absolutely no safety tech) and I am at a conundrum within my price point. I can either go for a mid-range model 3 with autopilot OR a long range without autopilot to stay within my price range. Looking for some suggestions guidance! I do quite a bit of freeway driving (\~50-60 miles per day) live in the wintery midwest love the act of driving and have an unquenchable need for speed. | ericbutler306 | 2019-02-12 18:39:10 | 11 | egbp3km | Long range. Get autopilot in a year or 2 later. | dellfanboy | 2019-02-12 18:57:14 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
apwlg9 | [Discussion] Trying to decide between mid and long range Model 3 | I am highly interested in getting a model 3 (coming from a Focus ST which is a manual transmission car with absolutely no safety tech) and I am at a conundrum within my price point. I can either go for a mid-range model 3 with autopilot OR a long range without autopilot to stay within my price range. Looking for some suggestions guidance! I do quite a bit of freeway driving (\~50-60 miles per day) live in the wintery midwest love the act of driving and have an unquenchable need for speed. | ericbutler306 | 2019-02-12 18:39:10 | 11 | egbsqq8 | The general wisdom is to get the longest range you can afford. However I think the MR + EAP (and some winter tires) will be the way to go in this case. If you charge to 90% everyday that is 237miles. Even if you lose 40% in the cold you still have 158 miles available everyday. EAP (with all its faults) really makes this car shine. Edit: Also difference in range between both cars is 46miles. Throw in that hypothetical 40% cold loss and you are looking at 27 miles. Useful but not really life-changing | h3kta | 2019-02-12 19:37:48 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
avsima | [Discussion] TuneIn SUCKS | About 60% of the time my podcast selection fails to load or the entire TuneIn UI fails to load. This is in Austin with good cellular and I can easily play a song via Slacker while TuneIn just gives error after error. We paid good money for our cars and if Tesla isn t going to give North American cars Spotify the least they can do is fix what we do have so it ll work. Defaulting to my phone for everything while I have that giant 15 screen is ridiculous and unsafe. | dcdttu | 2019-02-28 15:45:26 | 34 | ehhh8na | Maybe the announcement today will be that the US gets Spotify! | kramdam | 2019-02-28 16:51:34 | 16 | Spotify Gapless Playback |
avsima | [Discussion] TuneIn SUCKS | About 60% of the time my podcast selection fails to load or the entire TuneIn UI fails to load. This is in Austin with good cellular and I can easily play a song via Slacker while TuneIn just gives error after error. We paid good money for our cars and if Tesla isn t going to give North American cars Spotify the least they can do is fix what we do have so it ll work. Defaulting to my phone for everything while I have that giant 15 screen is ridiculous and unsafe. | dcdttu | 2019-02-28 15:45:26 | 34 | ehhh08y | I contacted Tunein about this. They said Tesla only allows streams in MP3 and over half of TuneIn streams are in other formats. | Threeofnine000 | 2019-02-28 16:49:06 | 7 | Spotify Gapless Playback |
avsima | [Discussion] TuneIn SUCKS | About 60% of the time my podcast selection fails to load or the entire TuneIn UI fails to load. This is in Austin with good cellular and I can easily play a song via Slacker while TuneIn just gives error after error. We paid good money for our cars and if Tesla isn t going to give North American cars Spotify the least they can do is fix what we do have so it ll work. Defaulting to my phone for everything while I have that giant 15 screen is ridiculous and unsafe. | dcdttu | 2019-02-28 15:45:26 | 34 | ehhfwig | Spotify has been improved a lot in the latest 2018.50 2019.4 updates. Perhaps they are improving it to prepare for a US release because it was pretty sucky before. | mlowi | 2019-02-28 16:37:31 | 6 | Spotify Gapless Playback |
9a2nvm | [Discussion] UBS Claim Their Teardown Study Found Base Model 3 Will Lose $6K Car Looks VERY Suspect. Faked? Worthy of SEC Investigating? | 1. Photo from UBS [https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large](https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large) from a video where UBS says their team tore down Model 3 and found it would lose $6K car for the base vehicle yet 2. Individuals in the photo have Munro Associates lab coats on and appear almost certainly from distinctive cues in the background of other pics to be in Munro s facilities 3. Munro s study findings: Base Model 3 will have 18% gross margins 4. News broke this week that Munro has stopped talking about his studies findings do to the threat of legal action 5. UBS head Tesla analyst Colin Langan was all over the financial networks this week (subsequent to Munro going quiet under threat of legal action) talking about how his study found the Model 3 would lose $6K... despite bringing along photos of his team wearing Munro Assoc. garb on what other photos indicates is Munro Assoc. facilities. 6. UBS has a sell rating on the stock and target price of $195. I ve seen another commentator on Reddit say they have a $400 million short position but I have not directly verified that myself. VERY suspect Update: couple of photos I mentioned looking very much like what Langan described at UBS team are at Sandy Munro s facilities [https: imgur.com k2MxU2s](https: imgur.com k2MxU2s) [https: imgur.com gLHrt3B](https: imgur.com gLHrt3B) | steve2168 | 2018-08-25 00:25:30 | 124 | e4sizx5 | Good investigative work. UBS also has a history of fraud https: violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org parent ubs A notorious Tesla short named Anton Wahlman used to work at UBS until they got sued for lying to customers. | cloudone | 2018-08-25 03:10:58 | 33 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9a2nvm | [Discussion] UBS Claim Their Teardown Study Found Base Model 3 Will Lose $6K Car Looks VERY Suspect. Faked? Worthy of SEC Investigating? | 1. Photo from UBS [https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large](https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large) from a video where UBS says their team tore down Model 3 and found it would lose $6K car for the base vehicle yet 2. Individuals in the photo have Munro Associates lab coats on and appear almost certainly from distinctive cues in the background of other pics to be in Munro s facilities 3. Munro s study findings: Base Model 3 will have 18% gross margins 4. News broke this week that Munro has stopped talking about his studies findings do to the threat of legal action 5. UBS head Tesla analyst Colin Langan was all over the financial networks this week (subsequent to Munro going quiet under threat of legal action) talking about how his study found the Model 3 would lose $6K... despite bringing along photos of his team wearing Munro Assoc. garb on what other photos indicates is Munro Assoc. facilities. 6. UBS has a sell rating on the stock and target price of $195. I ve seen another commentator on Reddit say they have a $400 million short position but I have not directly verified that myself. VERY suspect Update: couple of photos I mentioned looking very much like what Langan described at UBS team are at Sandy Munro s facilities [https: imgur.com k2MxU2s](https: imgur.com k2MxU2s) [https: imgur.com gLHrt3B](https: imgur.com gLHrt3B) | steve2168 | 2018-08-25 00:25:30 | 124 | e4spers | Sounds like UBS bought Monroe s report and somehow came to the exact opposite conclusion. Now suing him to prevent him publicizing his original conclusion? This is just bizarre | raresaturn | 2018-08-25 05:35:27 | 30 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9a2nvm | [Discussion] UBS Claim Their Teardown Study Found Base Model 3 Will Lose $6K Car Looks VERY Suspect. Faked? Worthy of SEC Investigating? | 1. Photo from UBS [https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large](https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large) from a video where UBS says their team tore down Model 3 and found it would lose $6K car for the base vehicle yet 2. Individuals in the photo have Munro Associates lab coats on and appear almost certainly from distinctive cues in the background of other pics to be in Munro s facilities 3. Munro s study findings: Base Model 3 will have 18% gross margins 4. News broke this week that Munro has stopped talking about his studies findings do to the threat of legal action 5. UBS head Tesla analyst Colin Langan was all over the financial networks this week (subsequent to Munro going quiet under threat of legal action) talking about how his study found the Model 3 would lose $6K... despite bringing along photos of his team wearing Munro Assoc. garb on what other photos indicates is Munro Assoc. facilities. 6. UBS has a sell rating on the stock and target price of $195. I ve seen another commentator on Reddit say they have a $400 million short position but I have not directly verified that myself. VERY suspect Update: couple of photos I mentioned looking very much like what Langan described at UBS team are at Sandy Munro s facilities [https: imgur.com k2MxU2s](https: imgur.com k2MxU2s) [https: imgur.com gLHrt3B](https: imgur.com gLHrt3B) | steve2168 | 2018-08-25 00:25:30 | 124 | e4sgukx | If anyone watches HyperChange Gali did a good video over this and why the UBS claim is a blatant lie. Link to the video. [](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=w-Uz5gPQ6Bs) | Oreanz | 2018-08-25 02:29:43 | 17 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9a2nvm | [Discussion] UBS Claim Their Teardown Study Found Base Model 3 Will Lose $6K Car Looks VERY Suspect. Faked? Worthy of SEC Investigating? | 1. Photo from UBS [https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large](https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large) from a video where UBS says their team tore down Model 3 and found it would lose $6K car for the base vehicle yet 2. Individuals in the photo have Munro Associates lab coats on and appear almost certainly from distinctive cues in the background of other pics to be in Munro s facilities 3. Munro s study findings: Base Model 3 will have 18% gross margins 4. News broke this week that Munro has stopped talking about his studies findings do to the threat of legal action 5. UBS head Tesla analyst Colin Langan was all over the financial networks this week (subsequent to Munro going quiet under threat of legal action) talking about how his study found the Model 3 would lose $6K... despite bringing along photos of his team wearing Munro Assoc. garb on what other photos indicates is Munro Assoc. facilities. 6. UBS has a sell rating on the stock and target price of $195. I ve seen another commentator on Reddit say they have a $400 million short position but I have not directly verified that myself. VERY suspect Update: couple of photos I mentioned looking very much like what Langan described at UBS team are at Sandy Munro s facilities [https: imgur.com k2MxU2s](https: imgur.com k2MxU2s) [https: imgur.com gLHrt3B](https: imgur.com gLHrt3B) | steve2168 | 2018-08-25 00:25:30 | 124 | e4sadit | Unbelievable! Clearly shows their agenda. Hope this gets more visibility. | teslaman5000 | 2018-08-25 00:32:54 | 12 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9a2nvm | [Discussion] UBS Claim Their Teardown Study Found Base Model 3 Will Lose $6K Car Looks VERY Suspect. Faked? Worthy of SEC Investigating? | 1. Photo from UBS [https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large](https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large) from a video where UBS says their team tore down Model 3 and found it would lose $6K car for the base vehicle yet 2. Individuals in the photo have Munro Associates lab coats on and appear almost certainly from distinctive cues in the background of other pics to be in Munro s facilities 3. Munro s study findings: Base Model 3 will have 18% gross margins 4. News broke this week that Munro has stopped talking about his studies findings do to the threat of legal action 5. UBS head Tesla analyst Colin Langan was all over the financial networks this week (subsequent to Munro going quiet under threat of legal action) talking about how his study found the Model 3 would lose $6K... despite bringing along photos of his team wearing Munro Assoc. garb on what other photos indicates is Munro Assoc. facilities. 6. UBS has a sell rating on the stock and target price of $195. I ve seen another commentator on Reddit say they have a $400 million short position but I have not directly verified that myself. VERY suspect Update: couple of photos I mentioned looking very much like what Langan described at UBS team are at Sandy Munro s facilities [https: imgur.com k2MxU2s](https: imgur.com k2MxU2s) [https: imgur.com gLHrt3B](https: imgur.com gLHrt3B) | steve2168 | 2018-08-25 00:25:30 | 124 | e4sm9vn | Here is a link to the UBS pdf: https: www.dropbox.com s ujn5779s78y9bz5 IsTeslaRevolutionaryor%20Evolutionary%20%2528003%2529%20%283%29.pdf?dl=0 > Munro s study findings: Base Model 3 will have 18% gross margins. UBS says also in their report that the 49k Model 3 will have a 18 % gross margin. The loss is only with the base Model. > The Model 3 we disassembled was $49 000 which included the 75 kWh battery (+$9 000) and the high end trim (+$5 000). We estimate this model has a factory variable margin of ~29% a gross margin of ~18% and an operating margin of ~7%. However the incremental margins on the options are high. We assume the base version at $35 000 would lose about $5 900 per car But the loss would be according to the operating margin and not the gross margin. https: imgur.com AGbZVOW Does anybody know what D& A stands for? | bfire123 | 2018-08-25 04:18:01 | 11 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9a2nvm | [Discussion] UBS Claim Their Teardown Study Found Base Model 3 Will Lose $6K Car Looks VERY Suspect. Faked? Worthy of SEC Investigating? | 1. Photo from UBS [https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large](https: pbs.twimg.com media DlZDumSXoAEf8BB.jpg:large) from a video where UBS says their team tore down Model 3 and found it would lose $6K car for the base vehicle yet 2. Individuals in the photo have Munro Associates lab coats on and appear almost certainly from distinctive cues in the background of other pics to be in Munro s facilities 3. Munro s study findings: Base Model 3 will have 18% gross margins 4. News broke this week that Munro has stopped talking about his studies findings do to the threat of legal action 5. UBS head Tesla analyst Colin Langan was all over the financial networks this week (subsequent to Munro going quiet under threat of legal action) talking about how his study found the Model 3 would lose $6K... despite bringing along photos of his team wearing Munro Assoc. garb on what other photos indicates is Munro Assoc. facilities. 6. UBS has a sell rating on the stock and target price of $195. I ve seen another commentator on Reddit say they have a $400 million short position but I have not directly verified that myself. VERY suspect Update: couple of photos I mentioned looking very much like what Langan described at UBS team are at Sandy Munro s facilities [https: imgur.com k2MxU2s](https: imgur.com k2MxU2s) [https: imgur.com gLHrt3B](https: imgur.com gLHrt3B) | steve2168 | 2018-08-25 00:25:30 | 124 | e4sch99 | is that imgur link right? I m not instantly convinced cnbc didn t grab the Munro pic independently. | ElonsMonkey | 2018-08-25 01:10:09 | 6 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8bbexz | [Discussion] Used Inventory CPOs now have a Not Refurbish notice. Is this a CYA for CPOs? | Doing the daily CPO check (after reading the TMC post regarding the CPO nightmare...) and noticed there s a new notice stating: Not Refurbished This car has passed a 70-point mechanical inspection and will be cleaned before delivery. If you would like any additional work that is not covered under your warranty we can help arrange service after delivery for an added cost. For more information please request a call Do you think this was a quick response related to the post made on TMC? I wonder what is included and the cost in the additional work after delivery that is mentioned? If this somehow is a response to the CPO Nightmare post wouldn t you think Tesla should move towards oh here are some pics of the specific car you are wanting to purchase something you can see on any other used car website. | fetalbeej | 2018-04-10 21:07:39 | 42 | dx5jfqp | At this rate my next car is going be an Audi or Porsche EV rather than another Tesla. | Saralentine | 2018-04-10 22:39:37 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8bbexz | [Discussion] Used Inventory CPOs now have a Not Refurbish notice. Is this a CYA for CPOs? | Doing the daily CPO check (after reading the TMC post regarding the CPO nightmare...) and noticed there s a new notice stating: Not Refurbished This car has passed a 70-point mechanical inspection and will be cleaned before delivery. If you would like any additional work that is not covered under your warranty we can help arrange service after delivery for an added cost. For more information please request a call Do you think this was a quick response related to the post made on TMC? I wonder what is included and the cost in the additional work after delivery that is mentioned? If this somehow is a response to the CPO Nightmare post wouldn t you think Tesla should move towards oh here are some pics of the specific car you are wanting to purchase something you can see on any other used car website. | fetalbeej | 2018-04-10 21:07:39 | 42 | dx5qbyf | This is what it said on my vehicle disclosure from a year ago: The vehicle you are purchasing may exhibit signs of normal wear and tear in line with the respective age and or mileage. Your Pre-Owned vehicle will meet our highest standards with regards to functionality and performance but may have minor cosmetic imperfections. • Vehicle interior standards: No cracks cuts holes or excessive contact wear. Inner material will not be visible. No damage over 3 8 of an inch (10mm). Slight contact wear is acceptable. • Vehicle exterior standards: No structural damage cracks holes cuts. No impact damage. No scratches chips or other paint damage over 3 8 of an inch (10mm). Slight contact wear is acceptable. All panels bumpers grilles badges and diffusers are mounted and secure. • Exterior glass - no distortion cracks or contact stars • All brake pads are greater than 6 mm • Tire tread depth of at least 6 32 inch any tire below 6 32 inch will be replaced • Fully functional charging equipment • 2 fully functional keys | skitch23 | 2018-04-11 00:36:40 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8bbexz | [Discussion] Used Inventory CPOs now have a Not Refurbish notice. Is this a CYA for CPOs? | Doing the daily CPO check (after reading the TMC post regarding the CPO nightmare...) and noticed there s a new notice stating: Not Refurbished This car has passed a 70-point mechanical inspection and will be cleaned before delivery. If you would like any additional work that is not covered under your warranty we can help arrange service after delivery for an added cost. For more information please request a call Do you think this was a quick response related to the post made on TMC? I wonder what is included and the cost in the additional work after delivery that is mentioned? If this somehow is a response to the CPO Nightmare post wouldn t you think Tesla should move towards oh here are some pics of the specific car you are wanting to purchase something you can see on any other used car website. | fetalbeej | 2018-04-10 21:07:39 | 42 | dx5k6k6 | I don t know how I feel about this until I know what they d let by. It is a used car. It may not make sense to replace interior pieces that show the smallest sign of wear. | majesticjg | 2018-04-10 22:52:35 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8bbexz | [Discussion] Used Inventory CPOs now have a Not Refurbish notice. Is this a CYA for CPOs? | Doing the daily CPO check (after reading the TMC post regarding the CPO nightmare...) and noticed there s a new notice stating: Not Refurbished This car has passed a 70-point mechanical inspection and will be cleaned before delivery. If you would like any additional work that is not covered under your warranty we can help arrange service after delivery for an added cost. For more information please request a call Do you think this was a quick response related to the post made on TMC? I wonder what is included and the cost in the additional work after delivery that is mentioned? If this somehow is a response to the CPO Nightmare post wouldn t you think Tesla should move towards oh here are some pics of the specific car you are wanting to purchase something you can see on any other used car website. | fetalbeej | 2018-04-10 21:07:39 | 42 | dx5u6gz | I have 2 CPO Teslas I purchased 2 years ago that were like new. I am trading one in for a new Model S in June. No one is a bigger fan of the brand. However if I were going to buy a non-refurbished used Tesla I would either demand photos or a fully refundable deposit. This is not acceptable business practice. I ve emailed them telling them to post photos of the actual used cars other than stock photos. It would also be nice if they posted a remaining battery percentage. I encourage everyone on this forum to email Tesla and suggest these things. | alphaterminus | 2018-04-11 01:39:11 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9n11bj | [Discussion] Video playing on the model 3 browser (demonstrated by a FB user) Thought all video was disabled? | Here is a [screenshot of the video](https: imgur.com a G70sezS) and here is a [link to the FB post](https: www.facebook.com groups TeslaMotorsModel3 permalink 1100513346793190 ). But I believe you have to be a member of the Tesla Model 3 group to see it. Does anyone know what video codec this can possibly be for it to render in the model 3 browser? Perhaps with this information we can make a workaround to view other kinds of video | djgeorgevas | 2018-10-10 16:33:01 | 10 | e7it17o | Security camera feeds like that are usually just image streams not video from a technical standpoint. So the browser should have no issue displaying a slowly refreshing frame. | scottg96 | 2018-10-10 16:48:33 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9n11bj | [Discussion] Video playing on the model 3 browser (demonstrated by a FB user) Thought all video was disabled? | Here is a [screenshot of the video](https: imgur.com a G70sezS) and here is a [link to the FB post](https: www.facebook.com groups TeslaMotorsModel3 permalink 1100513346793190 ). But I believe you have to be a member of the Tesla Model 3 group to see it. Does anyone know what video codec this can possibly be for it to render in the model 3 browser? Perhaps with this information we can make a workaround to view other kinds of video | djgeorgevas | 2018-10-10 16:33:01 | 10 | e7itucp | This is likely a mjpeg (motion jpeg) format because they are security cameras. This format does not allow for sound and this this looks to be not that great. Unless you like watching movies with subtitles only... | tesrella | 2018-10-10 16:59:34 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
bk4dyp | [Discussion] WIFI Doesn t Reach Garage. Is There Such Thing as a Splitter on a NEMA 14-50 Outlet to Create Both a 14-50 and a Standard 5-15 Outlet | I realize this is probably deep in the weeds but after leaving my phone in the car for the past 24 hours as a wifi hotspot and having the car download 6 GIGS of data but then still not give me the prompt for a software update is a real hassle. I just can t keep doing these phone wifi hotspots every time there s a new update. So this is basically what I m working with: & #x200B Problem: My wifi doesn t reach my garage. (EDIT: Garage is detached with a small building between it and the house. I m currently on a Google Wifi Mesh network in the house but unfortunately it can t get near the range needed for it to recognize a point in the garage.) & #x200B Possible Solution: Using the Netgear PowerLINE kit to send internet through all my electrical wiring to any socket connected to my main powerline. ([https: www.amazon.com dp B01929V7ZG ](https: www.amazon.com dp B01929V7ZG )) & #x200B Dilemma: The Netgear Wifi adapter needs a standard NEMA 5-15 outlet and the NEMA 14-50 outlet that I use to charge my Tesla is the only electrical outlet in my garage that is connected back to my main powerline. & #x200B So I m trying to figure out if there s a splitter that would give you a standard 5-15 outlet (which I know exist) BUT while still leaving the NEMA 14-50 accessible for charging the Tesla. & #x200B EDIT: Here s a Diagram & #x200B https: i.redd.it fw0h8xfg02w21.jpg | lothariorowe | 2019-05-03 04:28:18 | 10 | emdstdk | Either get a mesh wireless network to replace your current one and put one of the nodes in the garage or get a WiFi range extender. No need for any kind of janky MoCA or whatever. | Kaelang | 2019-05-03 04:33:37 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
bk4dyp | [Discussion] WIFI Doesn t Reach Garage. Is There Such Thing as a Splitter on a NEMA 14-50 Outlet to Create Both a 14-50 and a Standard 5-15 Outlet | I realize this is probably deep in the weeds but after leaving my phone in the car for the past 24 hours as a wifi hotspot and having the car download 6 GIGS of data but then still not give me the prompt for a software update is a real hassle. I just can t keep doing these phone wifi hotspots every time there s a new update. So this is basically what I m working with: & #x200B Problem: My wifi doesn t reach my garage. (EDIT: Garage is detached with a small building between it and the house. I m currently on a Google Wifi Mesh network in the house but unfortunately it can t get near the range needed for it to recognize a point in the garage.) & #x200B Possible Solution: Using the Netgear PowerLINE kit to send internet through all my electrical wiring to any socket connected to my main powerline. ([https: www.amazon.com dp B01929V7ZG ](https: www.amazon.com dp B01929V7ZG )) & #x200B Dilemma: The Netgear Wifi adapter needs a standard NEMA 5-15 outlet and the NEMA 14-50 outlet that I use to charge my Tesla is the only electrical outlet in my garage that is connected back to my main powerline. & #x200B So I m trying to figure out if there s a splitter that would give you a standard 5-15 outlet (which I know exist) BUT while still leaving the NEMA 14-50 accessible for charging the Tesla. & #x200B EDIT: Here s a Diagram & #x200B https: i.redd.it fw0h8xfg02w21.jpg | lothariorowe | 2019-05-03 04:28:18 | 10 | emdtxeq | You can run a 50A sub panel and you can then run two 15A and a 30A circuit from the sub panel. That ll give you two 5-15 outlets on their own circuits and a 30A outlet of your choosing (use one of the ones Tesla has an adapter for). You can t just tap off of a 50A circuit and attach a 15A receptacle to it you need a 15A breaker. But your best bet is to just run a new 15A circuit to the garage from an existing branch from your main panel. Either way please hire an electrician to do this work. | drdabbles | 2019-05-03 04:50:01 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
arf51c | [Discussion] Wall Connector with 14-50 plug removed from Tesla Shop | I was gathering information on what it would take to install a Wall Connector in my shared condominium carport. I revisited the [Tesla Shop](https: shop.tesla.com us en product vehicle-accessories wall-connector-with-14-50-plug.html) to get the installation guide on the new 14-50 Wall Connector but it was no longer available. I need to submit an architectural request to my HOA for the install so I decided to contact Tesla about the missing product. They only said they re not selling the item at this point in time. No more details than that. It s odd that they didn t just put “Out of Stock” on it like they do with the rest of their products. What do you guys think? | csanders17 | 2019-02-17 00:40:57 | 17 | egmwwn3 | I use a Juice Net charger. It has a 14-50 and they have models rated at 32 amp 40 amp (mine) and 70 amp. They only downside is you have to use the adapter as it uses a j1772 plug. On the upside it is WiFi connected for stats and control and will work with other cars. | AtomicSpyPenguin | 2019-02-17 02:10:22 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8dle2a | [Discussion] Was Elon about to give a hint about the Roadster but was interrupted by the interviewer? | Start the video at about 13:20. I m on phone so I can t get the link with a time mark. [Video](https: youtu.be zIwLWfaAg-8) | TheGuyWhoLikesToLike | 2018-04-20 05:58:18 | 10 | dxotpyf | I think he was going to talk about the model 3 HUD. | LoveWhatYouFear | 2018-04-20 16:45:46 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dle2a | [Discussion] Was Elon about to give a hint about the Roadster but was interrupted by the interviewer? | Start the video at about 13:20. I m on phone so I can t get the link with a time mark. [Video](https: youtu.be zIwLWfaAg-8) | TheGuyWhoLikesToLike | 2018-04-20 05:58:18 | 10 | dxopx30 | Sounds like he says: I intend to stay with Tesla as far into the future as I can imagine and there are a lot of exciting things that we have coming obviously we have the model 3 coming soon. We ll be unveiling the tesla semi truck... Umm... And my fav- Before the interviewer cuts him off to talk about the model 3. Conclusion: Maybe. If we assume he was going to say my favorite and we assume that the roadster would be his favorite. But only Elon knows for sure. | thebluehawk | 2018-04-20 15:49:11 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9ht93p | [Discussion] Was your Tesla purchase the most expensive thing you ve ever put money towards? | If so 1. Why did you choose to buy a Tesla versus saving for a down payment on some real estate? 2. How did you rationalize the cost? 3. Are you overly protective of your car scared of parking it anywhere public? 4. How long did you save for your Tesla? 5. What car did you come from? 6. Are you worried what sort of repairs might occur once out of warranty? I m scared at how much longer my current car has left... but I m also wary paying 3x the price of a typical economy 20k car. I don t have any debt which is why I m debating on what to do. My car is at the ticking bomb stage... so I might want to upgrade before the transmission blows out. [The temptation is real. I leave work and see this 😂😂](https: i.imgur.com LGswWEp.jpg) | SupaZT | 2018-09-21 19:29:43 | 46 | e6ec4i1 | Sounds like you re trying to rationalize a bad financial decision. Do you have a budget? A retirement plan? Career and lifestyle stability? Have you quoted insurance yet? | dubsteponmycat | 2018-09-21 19:45:26 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9ht93p | [Discussion] Was your Tesla purchase the most expensive thing you ve ever put money towards? | If so 1. Why did you choose to buy a Tesla versus saving for a down payment on some real estate? 2. How did you rationalize the cost? 3. Are you overly protective of your car scared of parking it anywhere public? 4. How long did you save for your Tesla? 5. What car did you come from? 6. Are you worried what sort of repairs might occur once out of warranty? I m scared at how much longer my current car has left... but I m also wary paying 3x the price of a typical economy 20k car. I don t have any debt which is why I m debating on what to do. My car is at the ticking bomb stage... so I might want to upgrade before the transmission blows out. [The temptation is real. I leave work and see this 😂😂](https: i.imgur.com LGswWEp.jpg) | SupaZT | 2018-09-21 19:29:43 | 46 | e6edjse | Spent more on real estate but other than that nope most expensive toy I ve purchased so far. | captaintrips420 | 2018-09-21 20:05:49 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9ht93p | [Discussion] Was your Tesla purchase the most expensive thing you ve ever put money towards? | If so 1. Why did you choose to buy a Tesla versus saving for a down payment on some real estate? 2. How did you rationalize the cost? 3. Are you overly protective of your car scared of parking it anywhere public? 4. How long did you save for your Tesla? 5. What car did you come from? 6. Are you worried what sort of repairs might occur once out of warranty? I m scared at how much longer my current car has left... but I m also wary paying 3x the price of a typical economy 20k car. I don t have any debt which is why I m debating on what to do. My car is at the ticking bomb stage... so I might want to upgrade before the transmission blows out. [The temptation is real. I leave work and see this 😂😂](https: i.imgur.com LGswWEp.jpg) | SupaZT | 2018-09-21 19:29:43 | 46 | e6ec5cv | 1. I can afford both 2. True cost of ownership is less for a comparable ICE car and you get more value. Comparing to a beamer: Charge at home. Instant torque. Less maintenance. High tech. 3. Yes. I park away from others and or don t park near cars that are big look beat up or otherwise would make me think they ll slam their door into mine. I ll likely get PPF on the front (my TL didn t have it and it shows) 4. I had the money 5. 2004 Acura TL manual 6-speed If you re satisfied with your home for the next 5 years and drive about 15k miles a year and want the extended range I would suggest going for it. If you don t need the extended range wait for the standard range it will be a better financial decision. The best financial decision is to get a used ICE car and then buy a used model 3 later down the line so don t lie to yourself about that. We had the money and wanted to support Tesla and enjoy the conveniences of EVs so we jumped in earlier than financially recommended. I could have driven my TL for another 15 years if I wanted to which was actually the plan. | mjezzi | 2018-09-21 19:45:48 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9ht93p | [Discussion] Was your Tesla purchase the most expensive thing you ve ever put money towards? | If so 1. Why did you choose to buy a Tesla versus saving for a down payment on some real estate? 2. How did you rationalize the cost? 3. Are you overly protective of your car scared of parking it anywhere public? 4. How long did you save for your Tesla? 5. What car did you come from? 6. Are you worried what sort of repairs might occur once out of warranty? I m scared at how much longer my current car has left... but I m also wary paying 3x the price of a typical economy 20k car. I don t have any debt which is why I m debating on what to do. My car is at the ticking bomb stage... so I might want to upgrade before the transmission blows out. [The temptation is real. I leave work and see this 😂😂](https: i.imgur.com LGswWEp.jpg) | SupaZT | 2018-09-21 19:29:43 | 46 | e6ecv56 | By far. I m a college kid. | tesrella | 2018-09-21 19:56:04 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9ht93p | [Discussion] Was your Tesla purchase the most expensive thing you ve ever put money towards? | If so 1. Why did you choose to buy a Tesla versus saving for a down payment on some real estate? 2. How did you rationalize the cost? 3. Are you overly protective of your car scared of parking it anywhere public? 4. How long did you save for your Tesla? 5. What car did you come from? 6. Are you worried what sort of repairs might occur once out of warranty? I m scared at how much longer my current car has left... but I m also wary paying 3x the price of a typical economy 20k car. I don t have any debt which is why I m debating on what to do. My car is at the ticking bomb stage... so I might want to upgrade before the transmission blows out. [The temptation is real. I leave work and see this 😂😂](https: i.imgur.com LGswWEp.jpg) | SupaZT | 2018-09-21 19:29:43 | 46 | e6eeo8c | **Home ownership is not necessarily a good investment.** A commodity car will always lose value but contrasting it to a home isn t a good value proposition either. I ve included the NYT calculator below but encourage you to search for some details - in summary you ll find that homes are usually more monthly than rent post equity they lock you into a geography which keeps salary and opportunities suppressed and that it hinders diversity. So hopefully you look at that part of the story and conclude ‘renting is for me ! Or find that coffin corner case where a home makes more sense. To the car. Some simple guidance - your cars should never represent more than 25% of your income you should never borrow for one if you do borrow a four year note max and you should fully fund a retirement account first ($18.5k this year in real dollars). My car isn t even close to the most expensive thing I ve bought. Best advice 1) Read *Millionaire Next Door* (don t buy it - that s wasting money) 2) See if you can think about money as a tool. For example a dollar is worth $0.10 a year to me as an investment. Sometimes more. Sometimes less. So a $50k car is really costing me $50k *plus* compounded interest and gains for the rest of my life. In the first year $5k. If I d financed it would be a different loss but more with the interest and depreciation. 3) So why buy anything?! Become the millionaire librarian and die rich. That s kinda sucky tbh. So balance. Should you buy a Tesla? Sure once you have $1M invested and no debt treat yourself. You ll cover the capital cost of the car in six months of cash flow on the investment and save on monthly cash with lower energy costs. The money bought the car. If you finance and struggle to put funds away now you pay much more for the car and sacrifice later. You re clearly looking at this correctly. Replacing the transmission on an old car is a poor idea. But look at the total balance sheet and not the money today and you ll make a better decision for you. Good luck. https: www.nytimes.com interactive 2014 upshot buy-rent-calculator.html | 1st3inAZ | 2018-09-21 20:21:56 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9ht93p | [Discussion] Was your Tesla purchase the most expensive thing you ve ever put money towards? | If so 1. Why did you choose to buy a Tesla versus saving for a down payment on some real estate? 2. How did you rationalize the cost? 3. Are you overly protective of your car scared of parking it anywhere public? 4. How long did you save for your Tesla? 5. What car did you come from? 6. Are you worried what sort of repairs might occur once out of warranty? I m scared at how much longer my current car has left... but I m also wary paying 3x the price of a typical economy 20k car. I don t have any debt which is why I m debating on what to do. My car is at the ticking bomb stage... so I might want to upgrade before the transmission blows out. [The temptation is real. I leave work and see this 😂😂](https: i.imgur.com LGswWEp.jpg) | SupaZT | 2018-09-21 19:29:43 | 46 | e6eb9ie | If you are wary then the car is not for you and possibly out of your budget it seems. Anyone who owns the car will tell you they have zero regrets on buying it (3 S or X). Except for maybe regretting not buying it sooner. Also the way I look at it is...it s an electric car. Under no circumstance would I EVER...EVER buy a gasoline car that is over $25K. It makes no sense at all. But because it s electric that justifies the cost a bit because I look at the long term use case and utility vs a gasoline car in the same price range as the current Tesla models. | ShinjukuWard | 2018-09-21 19:33:00 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9ht93p | [Discussion] Was your Tesla purchase the most expensive thing you ve ever put money towards? | If so 1. Why did you choose to buy a Tesla versus saving for a down payment on some real estate? 2. How did you rationalize the cost? 3. Are you overly protective of your car scared of parking it anywhere public? 4. How long did you save for your Tesla? 5. What car did you come from? 6. Are you worried what sort of repairs might occur once out of warranty? I m scared at how much longer my current car has left... but I m also wary paying 3x the price of a typical economy 20k car. I don t have any debt which is why I m debating on what to do. My car is at the ticking bomb stage... so I might want to upgrade before the transmission blows out. [The temptation is real. I leave work and see this 😂😂](https: i.imgur.com LGswWEp.jpg) | SupaZT | 2018-09-21 19:29:43 | 46 | e6eflkp | If you re looking for other people s finances and rationale as to why they bought a Tesla to use for yourself to buy a Tesla don t. Every situation is different and in no way is a luxury car ever a smart financial decision. | Dr_Pippin | 2018-09-21 20:35:07 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8n1n56 | [Discussion] Washing Model 3 and visible moisture in between glass and rubber seals etc? | Have any of you experienced this? I ve also noticed a lot of water that gets in through the door seals. Nothing is getting inside but it s disconcerting that moisture is so clearly getting past the seals. | fuckbread | 2018-05-29 18:55:42 | 17 | dzs21eo | Don t blast high pressure at those areas. Same for any car with frameless windows. | Dr_Pippin | 2018-05-29 18:57:40 | 18 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8n1n56 | [Discussion] Washing Model 3 and visible moisture in between glass and rubber seals etc? | Have any of you experienced this? I ve also noticed a lot of water that gets in through the door seals. Nothing is getting inside but it s disconcerting that moisture is so clearly getting past the seals. | fuckbread | 2018-05-29 18:55:42 | 17 | dzs25q6 | It ll get a certain amount of the way - that s the nature of frameless windows. As long as it doesn t get passed the seals you re good. | dirtyfries | 2018-05-29 18:59:23 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8n1n56 | [Discussion] Washing Model 3 and visible moisture in between glass and rubber seals etc? | Have any of you experienced this? I ve also noticed a lot of water that gets in through the door seals. Nothing is getting inside but it s disconcerting that moisture is so clearly getting past the seals. | fuckbread | 2018-05-29 18:55:42 | 17 | dzs62q1 | When I take my current car to the local brushless automatic car wash when the jet goes by I watch the water run in past the seal and down the inside of the driver window. My current car is a 2001 Toyota Echo. Patiently waiting for a big upgrade. -) | gregpeden | 2018-05-29 19:55:00 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7beu81 | [Discussion] Waymo s fully self-driving vehicles are here | https: medium.com waymo with-waymo-in-the-drivers-seat-fully-self-driving-vehicles-can-transform-the-way-we-get-around-75e9622e829a https: www.theverge.com 2017 11 7 16615290 waymo-self-driving-safety-driver-chandler-autonomous | SupaZT | 2017-11-07 17:48:05 | 65 | dphnts1 | Good for Waymo. They certainly started years before everyone else and with the rigorous engineering standards that Google promotes you know they are building things the right way It will probably be years before Google and Tesla directly compete with each other on this rather than with Uber Lyft etc | tlighta | 2017-11-07 20:27:51 | 31 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7beu81 | [Discussion] Waymo s fully self-driving vehicles are here | https: medium.com waymo with-waymo-in-the-drivers-seat-fully-self-driving-vehicles-can-transform-the-way-we-get-around-75e9622e829a https: www.theverge.com 2017 11 7 16615290 waymo-self-driving-safety-driver-chandler-autonomous | SupaZT | 2017-11-07 17:48:05 | 65 | dphebhq | I m thinking as long as they re still in testing mode and until it s sitting affordably priced in my driveway...it isn t here. I m not downplaying their work - Waymo and their tech is amazing. But as a consumer I don t care till I can use it in some meaningful way. As far as the Tesla angle - Tesla still has a loooooong way to go. But I suspect everyone else does too given the different requirements not just of the tech but of mass marketability. So for now I ll plod along with my Lvl 1 and then 2 and then 3... | dirtyfries | 2017-11-07 17:50:04 | 15 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7beu81 | [Discussion] Waymo s fully self-driving vehicles are here | https: medium.com waymo with-waymo-in-the-drivers-seat-fully-self-driving-vehicles-can-transform-the-way-we-get-around-75e9622e829a https: www.theverge.com 2017 11 7 16615290 waymo-self-driving-safety-driver-chandler-autonomous | SupaZT | 2017-11-07 17:48:05 | 65 | dphmr4i | They ve been at it a lot longer than Tesla s year old reboot. They ve [built simulators and real world versions of problematic areas](https: www.theatlantic.com technology archive 2017 08 inside-waymos-secret-testing-and-simulation-facilities 537648 ). It s no surprise that they hit L4 first. | analyticaljoe | 2017-11-07 20:10:05 | 11 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
92twei | [Discussion] Ways to Optimize Range on Model 3 | Hey I figure with our joint knowledge we could make a thorough list of how to optimize range of a model 3 (p3d LR AWD). I do looooong car rides for work so this is super helpful for me. Also are there any iOS apps that are good for monitoring saving trip data? Thanks!! | Noblenoir | 2018-07-29 10:33:02 | 12 | e38dzlb | Drive mad slow | DustyContempt | 2018-07-29 11:49:01 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
92twei | [Discussion] Ways to Optimize Range on Model 3 | Hey I figure with our joint knowledge we could make a thorough list of how to optimize range of a model 3 (p3d LR AWD). I do looooong car rides for work so this is super helpful for me. Also are there any iOS apps that are good for monitoring saving trip data? Thanks!! | Noblenoir | 2018-07-29 10:33:02 | 12 | e38ep4j | • I saw a chart showing optimal driving speed was 35 mph for range. Obviously you need to keep up with traffic but you could use a slower but more direct non-highway route if it available given it yields similar travel time. • use less A C • accelerate more slowly • try to maintain constant speed usually by ‘predicting traffic lights braking etc | floridacoopers | 2018-07-29 12:10:57 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
95tevt | [Discussion] We are all witnesses to one of the greatest events in financial market history. | The anti-Tesla anti-Elon Musk anti-SpaceX sentiment has reached an all-time high at a time when the stock is within spitting distance of all-time highs car production has never been higher SpaceX has essentially taken over the worldwide launch market Elon can essentially get the ear of anyone on the planet anytime he wants and short interest is near an all-time high even after a buyout offer is made. Media bystanders and shorts all unable to accept that Elon Musk has found interested parties who would participate in taking Tesla private... Why be surprised? - Tencent bought shares on the open market when Tesla wasn t willing to issue as many shares as they wanted. - Saudis bought shares on the open market when Tesla refused to issue any shares. - Several gigantic institutions maintain and continue to add to their Tesla positions even as the stock rises. - Tesla has never had a problem raising capital in the past half of a decade. The idea of this happening isn t even a surprise to me...it s more surprising that it didn t happen earlier. I m guessing it didn t because no one ever met the conditions Elon set as far as control of the companies goes until now. Do people really think there is so little capital out in the world? The amount that would be necessary to take Tesla private is peanuts given how many shareholders won t sell... Shorts have called me a cultist for almost an entire decade. I along with all Tesla shareholders been maligned in the media by people we know by every critic that can get their face on TV. We ve been called fools and people who are lucky and everything imaginable to downplay our investment choice. I can t even count the amount of liberal & conservative writers who have called Tesla shareholders idiots and fools. This is the moment I ve been waiting nearly a decade for and I have to say it may be the most important moment that I ll experience in my life. This is the moment where we those who have been here for almost a decade can finally say https: www.youtube.com watch?v=QUAItQmq-LU | toxicsquared | 2018-08-09 04:42:45 | 91 | e3vnpp2 | > called me a cultist for almost an entire decade > may be the most important moment that I ll experience in my life I m a huge Tesla SpaceX and Musk fan but to say something like this last bit could come off as just a little cultist :) | GoodNegotiation | 2018-08-09 10:29:13 | 44 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
95tevt | [Discussion] We are all witnesses to one of the greatest events in financial market history. | The anti-Tesla anti-Elon Musk anti-SpaceX sentiment has reached an all-time high at a time when the stock is within spitting distance of all-time highs car production has never been higher SpaceX has essentially taken over the worldwide launch market Elon can essentially get the ear of anyone on the planet anytime he wants and short interest is near an all-time high even after a buyout offer is made. Media bystanders and shorts all unable to accept that Elon Musk has found interested parties who would participate in taking Tesla private... Why be surprised? - Tencent bought shares on the open market when Tesla wasn t willing to issue as many shares as they wanted. - Saudis bought shares on the open market when Tesla refused to issue any shares. - Several gigantic institutions maintain and continue to add to their Tesla positions even as the stock rises. - Tesla has never had a problem raising capital in the past half of a decade. The idea of this happening isn t even a surprise to me...it s more surprising that it didn t happen earlier. I m guessing it didn t because no one ever met the conditions Elon set as far as control of the companies goes until now. Do people really think there is so little capital out in the world? The amount that would be necessary to take Tesla private is peanuts given how many shareholders won t sell... Shorts have called me a cultist for almost an entire decade. I along with all Tesla shareholders been maligned in the media by people we know by every critic that can get their face on TV. We ve been called fools and people who are lucky and everything imaginable to downplay our investment choice. I can t even count the amount of liberal & conservative writers who have called Tesla shareholders idiots and fools. This is the moment I ve been waiting nearly a decade for and I have to say it may be the most important moment that I ll experience in my life. This is the moment where we those who have been here for almost a decade can finally say https: www.youtube.com watch?v=QUAItQmq-LU | toxicsquared | 2018-08-09 04:42:45 | 91 | e3vssxj | Geez dude. All that build-up and you could have rick-rolled us. What a wasted opportunity. | deadplant_ca | 2018-08-09 12:32:27 | 19 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
95tevt | [Discussion] We are all witnesses to one of the greatest events in financial market history. | The anti-Tesla anti-Elon Musk anti-SpaceX sentiment has reached an all-time high at a time when the stock is within spitting distance of all-time highs car production has never been higher SpaceX has essentially taken over the worldwide launch market Elon can essentially get the ear of anyone on the planet anytime he wants and short interest is near an all-time high even after a buyout offer is made. Media bystanders and shorts all unable to accept that Elon Musk has found interested parties who would participate in taking Tesla private... Why be surprised? - Tencent bought shares on the open market when Tesla wasn t willing to issue as many shares as they wanted. - Saudis bought shares on the open market when Tesla refused to issue any shares. - Several gigantic institutions maintain and continue to add to their Tesla positions even as the stock rises. - Tesla has never had a problem raising capital in the past half of a decade. The idea of this happening isn t even a surprise to me...it s more surprising that it didn t happen earlier. I m guessing it didn t because no one ever met the conditions Elon set as far as control of the companies goes until now. Do people really think there is so little capital out in the world? The amount that would be necessary to take Tesla private is peanuts given how many shareholders won t sell... Shorts have called me a cultist for almost an entire decade. I along with all Tesla shareholders been maligned in the media by people we know by every critic that can get their face on TV. We ve been called fools and people who are lucky and everything imaginable to downplay our investment choice. I can t even count the amount of liberal & conservative writers who have called Tesla shareholders idiots and fools. This is the moment I ve been waiting nearly a decade for and I have to say it may be the most important moment that I ll experience in my life. This is the moment where we those who have been here for almost a decade can finally say https: www.youtube.com watch?v=QUAItQmq-LU | toxicsquared | 2018-08-09 04:42:45 | 91 | e3vjqsh | Honestly it makes no sense whatsoever for people to think he can t get the money together. The writing on the wall is plain as day. I think shorts are just so invested in their circlejerk of muskrat hate at this stage they they just have convinced themselves that Elon is a fraud and must be lying. It s one of the most amazing examples of brainfart I ve ever witnessed. | slavesofdemocracy | 2018-08-09 08:20:12 | 16 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
95tevt | [Discussion] We are all witnesses to one of the greatest events in financial market history. | The anti-Tesla anti-Elon Musk anti-SpaceX sentiment has reached an all-time high at a time when the stock is within spitting distance of all-time highs car production has never been higher SpaceX has essentially taken over the worldwide launch market Elon can essentially get the ear of anyone on the planet anytime he wants and short interest is near an all-time high even after a buyout offer is made. Media bystanders and shorts all unable to accept that Elon Musk has found interested parties who would participate in taking Tesla private... Why be surprised? - Tencent bought shares on the open market when Tesla wasn t willing to issue as many shares as they wanted. - Saudis bought shares on the open market when Tesla refused to issue any shares. - Several gigantic institutions maintain and continue to add to their Tesla positions even as the stock rises. - Tesla has never had a problem raising capital in the past half of a decade. The idea of this happening isn t even a surprise to me...it s more surprising that it didn t happen earlier. I m guessing it didn t because no one ever met the conditions Elon set as far as control of the companies goes until now. Do people really think there is so little capital out in the world? The amount that would be necessary to take Tesla private is peanuts given how many shareholders won t sell... Shorts have called me a cultist for almost an entire decade. I along with all Tesla shareholders been maligned in the media by people we know by every critic that can get their face on TV. We ve been called fools and people who are lucky and everything imaginable to downplay our investment choice. I can t even count the amount of liberal & conservative writers who have called Tesla shareholders idiots and fools. This is the moment I ve been waiting nearly a decade for and I have to say it may be the most important moment that I ll experience in my life. This is the moment where we those who have been here for almost a decade can finally say https: www.youtube.com watch?v=QUAItQmq-LU | toxicsquared | 2018-08-09 04:42:45 | 91 | e3vwhxv | All this because you own some Tesla stock? Calm down OP. | limitless__ | 2018-08-09 13:38:17 | 8 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
7ww82n | [Discussion] What CAD program does Tesla use? | Currently a senior this year and will be attending Purdue University next year in Lafayette Indiana. My dream is to become a CAD Tech at Tesla. Just wondering what programs they use so I can sharpen my skills in those programs and many others. | Evanlee11 | 2018-02-11 22:41:55 | 15 | du4qoqf | I just graduated from Purdue! As others have said probably CATIA. And lucky for you Purdue kicks ass at that. It s available on all the computers and software remote I think. There s even a pretty full-featured $100 student addition if I remember correctly. Anyway BTFU and PM me if you have any Purdue questions | Intro24 | 2018-02-12 15:54:25 | 5 | Pursuing Career at Tesla |
83025x | [Discussion] What Do You See as the Goldilocks Range for EV? | Also I m curious to know if Tesla or any other manufacturers have set a goal limit on range that a consumer would feel comfortable with based on consumer research. It doesn t seem like you can use current ICE automobiles as a gauge because fueling times and experiences are different. | Dig-Dug-E-Fresh | 2018-03-08 19:08:56 | 14 | dve2c0t | I think the 300 - 400 range is fairly golden. It allows you do do the majority of your trips with minimal charging. It s also a long enough sprint most driver s are ready for a break. You start getting charge times down as well in conjunction and it s a no-brainer. | dirtyfries | 2018-03-08 19:14:44 | 20 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
83025x | [Discussion] What Do You See as the Goldilocks Range for EV? | Also I m curious to know if Tesla or any other manufacturers have set a goal limit on range that a consumer would feel comfortable with based on consumer research. It doesn t seem like you can use current ICE automobiles as a gauge because fueling times and experiences are different. | Dig-Dug-E-Fresh | 2018-03-08 19:08:56 | 14 | dve2c0g | A little over 300 miles is best as long as batteries are heavy. If they get lighter it could go to 600 miles like the Roadster 2020. No point to hauling around huge batteries on your daily commute. | pmsyyz | 2018-03-08 19:14:43 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
83025x | [Discussion] What Do You See as the Goldilocks Range for EV? | Also I m curious to know if Tesla or any other manufacturers have set a goal limit on range that a consumer would feel comfortable with based on consumer research. It doesn t seem like you can use current ICE automobiles as a gauge because fueling times and experiences are different. | Dig-Dug-E-Fresh | 2018-03-08 19:08:56 | 14 | dve4fqg | It depends. If slow charging time stays the same: then 500+. If you can charge a car to 100% in a few minutes then range doesn t matter. Perhaps 250+ is suffice. Me personally I d love the longest range possible and have the shortest charging time possible. | ShinjukuWard | 2018-03-08 19:45:49 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
83025x | [Discussion] What Do You See as the Goldilocks Range for EV? | Also I m curious to know if Tesla or any other manufacturers have set a goal limit on range that a consumer would feel comfortable with based on consumer research. It doesn t seem like you can use current ICE automobiles as a gauge because fueling times and experiences are different. | Dig-Dug-E-Fresh | 2018-03-08 19:08:56 | 14 | dve3a5k | My 250 miles worked fine for me. On road trips that worked out to the car needing a break about as often as I did. | tuba_man | 2018-03-08 19:28:41 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
83025x | [Discussion] What Do You See as the Goldilocks Range for EV? | Also I m curious to know if Tesla or any other manufacturers have set a goal limit on range that a consumer would feel comfortable with based on consumer research. It doesn t seem like you can use current ICE automobiles as a gauge because fueling times and experiences are different. | Dig-Dug-E-Fresh | 2018-03-08 19:08:56 | 14 | dve7yqv | Depends on use case. All-in-one: 250 miles Commuter: 100 miles Road trip: 450 Cargo: 600-1000 | IwantaModel3 | 2018-03-08 20:38:34 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
83025x | [Discussion] What Do You See as the Goldilocks Range for EV? | Also I m curious to know if Tesla or any other manufacturers have set a goal limit on range that a consumer would feel comfortable with based on consumer research. It doesn t seem like you can use current ICE automobiles as a gauge because fueling times and experiences are different. | Dig-Dug-E-Fresh | 2018-03-08 19:08:56 | 14 | dve8epw | This is partially a psychological question and a shifting target. Over the last 100 years we ve settled on 300-400 miles (500-670 km) in the US for gasoline cars. The relevance of that range to electric will be a function to some extent of a) the prevalence of charging stations b) the extent to which the average consumer appreciates that your home becomes your closest station each day. That having been said since there are fewer fast-charge electric stations currently electric cars should have AT LEAST 400 miles to get average people to relax. Fairly soon 300 miles (500 km) will seem acceptable for most cars once there are lots of stations and home charging is fully appreciated. Perhaps really long term that number can fall as charging stations are everywhere and electric cars are the most popular cars but both of those may take a while. In 2018 it would be better if electric range was at least 400 miles. Not because you actually use that much day to day or couldn t use more on trips (there aren t quite enough stations yet to fully relax at 300 miles 500 km) but because emotionally having as much range as almost any ICE is a nice check box simplifying assumption for a purchaser. There will be small countries where 300mi 500km is more than sufficient in 2018 but the US is a critical market since the zeitgeist here seems to have out-sized influence elsewhere. | jpbeans | 2018-03-08 20:45:10 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
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