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f8fxun | A practical use of the instant torque I adore in my Model 3 over my old ICE car | A lot has been said about horsepower versus torque and the equation is simple enough: power = torque x rpm. However apart from the quicker acceleration off the line I rarely see mention of the practical benefits high torque (at low rpms) brings. Well I found a doozy yesterday. There s a road near me that often has cars parked on the pavement (sidewalk) and the curb height is fairly steep. Usually with my old (manual) ICE car I d have to take a bit of a run up so that the momentum of the car carries me through onto the pavement. This can obviously be a bit dodgy unless you re precise with the gas and brake. The alternative is a horrible use of clutch control and revving up the engine like crazy to manage the manoeuvre. The former also has a risk of damaging rims if you ve got low profile tires and take it too fast. In the Tesla I can go as slow as I want and the car forcefully and gracefully climbs the curb effortlessly. It s going REALLY slow (to reduce risk of rim damage) but that torque is so mindblowingly powerful that the transition to the new height is barely a blip on its radar. Another occasion is where the exit from a particular car park has a dip in the road where the wheels from my old ICE car always used to get stuck. Again I needed to use a good degree of clutch control and high revving to get out of that dip. The Tesla OTOH doesn t even notice it. It s blissful. | twinbee | 2020-02-23 21:10:09 | 106 | fil6wpg | EVs are going to destroy off-roading competitions. Extremely long range at low speeds and full torque at 0rpm better angles and fording. | lmaccaro | 2020-02-23 21:55:55 | 89 | Electric Performance Car Comparison |
9s2d7d | A proposed alternative to P3D+ RefundGate | Early P3D+ owner here. I used my day 1 reservation to buy a loaded P3D+ with EAP FSD and white seats - the most expensive possible configuration - the day P3 became orderable for me (June.) I took delivery in August. The is our 2nd Tesla - we have an S75D. The $5000 price drop for Perf Upgrade Package is great news for new buyers. I was part of Tesla s historic Q3 success story which I m proud of. I will also get the $7500 tax credit which I m grateful for. This change does devalue my car by $5000 but I don t want a refund. I paid willingly for what I got. It does sting though. So here s my proposed alternative to a refund: Declare my VIN a Founder s Edition P3D. Send me a personally signed placard (or letter) with my VIN on it. Maybe even issue me a Model 3 Founder s Edition Dual Motor badge. Almost no cost to Tesla. Early adopters recognized. Resale value secured. | ekobres | 2018-10-28 10:57:59 | 320 | e8li8dr | There s too many people nowadays who are saying they support Tesla but immediately complain when they personally are affected in any way. It s too late for this instance. I bought an AP1 S and immediately afterwards AP2 came out. I decided did I want to keep it or sell it and I sold it. I didn t blame Tesla. But for some reason that isn t happening here. | feurie | 2018-10-28 11:10:56 | 108 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
3fo9un | A question about Tesla waterproofing | I was wondering how watertight the engine and electrical components are. With ICEs the engine needs to suck in air and expel exhaust gases in order to keep running. If the air intake or the exhaust suck in water the engine will die right there. Since the Tesla cars have no need for this can they operate on a flooded road like the pictures we see where the water is up to the windows? Or will having any water above a few inches cause the motors to short out and leave you stuck? If the waterproofing is good how much water can a Tesla handle? Could the motors be so well-sealed that the car could continue to drive in a meter of water? ________________________________ EDIT: The thing is if you live in area that is prone to having over a foot or two of water (in several cities rain water regularly collects and pools up due to poor drainage) then most ICEs (especially 4wds) can be modified easily to account for that - raised intakes generally do the trick. At that point you can theoretically take your vehicle through any amount of water as long as the intake is above the waterline. The interiors will possibly get flooded and filthy but the engine will still run. With the Model X coming out I wonder how they plan to deal with that. I was actually hoping that - seeing how the Teslas need no intakes - they would have sealed the entire battery compartment and each motor to be watertight at least up to a certain depth. This would mean that even if you left your car parked in a depression which was flood-prone you may have damage to the interiors but the engine and battery would still be sound. Sure it s not recommended but the times when we push our cars a little further than the recommended level is probably where we need them the most. | fsm_vs_cthulhu | 2015-08-03 22:15:28 | 19 | ctqgy7x | I ve personally forded about 4 of water. No issues. I have talked to a Service Center rep that told me a story about a guy drove through high water and permanently damaged his battery. The guy never revealed how deep the water was but the rep said the flooring was wet. The Tesla warranty specifically states they aren t liable for any damage caused by driving through water. | spnnr | 2015-08-03 23:10:56 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5m0d7z | A question about carbon footprint.... | I have become very interested in Teslas lately. So much so that I m seriously considering putting a reservation in on a Model 3. I have a question for the masses concerning the carbon footprint of this car. Is there anyway to calculate the lifetime carbon footprint of a car like the Model 3 taking into consideration the carbon that would be produced during the manufacturing process for its batteries? And if so can you compare this with the manufacturing carbon footprint of a traditional internal combustion vehicle? Obviously post production the Model 3 wouldn t have a carbon footprint which is why I m mainly interested in what the data would be during production. Does manufacturing a Tesla put more carbon into the atmosphere than manufacturing an internal combustion engine car? Or less? Or the same? Does the manufacturing process of the batteries make an electric car....well not that environmentally friendly? | californiaboy77 | 2017-01-04 17:18:07 | 14 | dbzs5x9 | There s a lot of studies out there - hunt around. I do want to take issue with one thing you said: > Obviously post production the Model 3 wouldn t have a carbon footprint which is why I m mainly interested in what the data would be during production. That s not accurate. The car uses electricity. So unless it s coming from a totally clean source like solar (and that has its own manufacturing footprint) it s not really zero footprint. That said general overall consensus is that the cars do better than ICEs due to increased efficiencies from centralized generation and improved battery production methods. | dirtyfries | 2017-01-04 17:25:29 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
54fuf5 | A question about the Premium Interior and Next Gen. Leather and range | I am considering a S60 atm but i was wondering what people think about the Premium interior package? I was going to get either the Premium interior or the leather seats but not both and i was wondering if the interior upgrade makes a drastic difference in the car? Also should i prioritize the range upgrade to 75kw? My commute is nothing special (about 25 miles a day) but do people find the 60s range acceptable for a daily driver? Thanks in advance! | KickersUnitedFC | 2016-09-25 16:31:55 | 17 | d81g59x | 60 should be perfectly fine. Premium upgrades is a necessity | Mineobi | 2016-09-25 16:46:02 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
bl6o1u | A question about ‘Consumer Report | I just finished reading the Consumer Report review of the Tesla Model 3 and I can t really figure it out. The entire thing reads as extremely positive and generally praises almost every feature and trait of the model 3 but in the end the score is 65. So what gives? I m in the market for a new car and I keep leaning towards a Model 3 but I can t shake this “too good to be true” feeling and then I spend some time reading this consumer reports review and it just adds confusion. For the price they clearly recommend other vehicles. Why the low score? Why the beaming review alongside the low score? Why the 2 5 reliability score? Is this really a matter of the Model 3 being great but we just don t know how it holds up over time? Or are there genuinely quality concerns and buying one is more of a vote for the future than a smart car choice? Looking for feedback and thoughts here. | fl3shy | 2019-05-06 02:59:12 | 20 | emm39pz | Test drive and make the decision for yourself. Assessments when the car first came off the assembly line is vastly different from the quality now after 200k deliveries. No gas no oil changes just rotate the tires and you are good to go. Truly the most fun driving you will ever have. And BTW the car gets better as you go with OTA updates. | rocketman_95046 | 2019-05-06 03:09:00 | 29 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
p0sy0e | A question for Tesla owners. | My question is too the Tesla owners that live in regions with winter and hopefully rural states as I am from SW Montana. How is it to drive in these regions? What challenges do you face with it being more secluded. Would you suggest the model 3 or model Y and model S for these areas? Edit: I am looking into buying a Tesla and in all my research 95% of reviews or insight is from people that live in metropolitan areas with easy access to charge stations and winter doesn t exist. Edit 2: Thank you all for overwhelming positive response! It s awesome all the tips experience and helpful tools you ve all shared! And sorry ahead of time if I don t get to your comment I wasn t expecting such great feed back! | Dieselpowered42 | 2021-08-09 03:01:30 | 46 | h895nit | Reporting in from cold Manitoba in Canada. Great advise here from other get good winter tires. I would also suggest additional rims stock or something similar in weight. In -30°C weather expect 30 to 50% drop in battery range depending on how you heat your cabin. Preheat as much as possible while charging. Cold batteries will reduce regeneration capability so driving is different in colder weather for one pedal driving you will have to use your actual breaks more often and is on a sliding scale so it adjusts with the temperature of the battery. Colder batteries also adjust charging speeds as well. It can take longer to get the battery to optimal charging temperatures (charging will start off slower then amp up - even with preconditioning it can take awhile). Even with the major drop in range most of them our driving is well within the adjusted range. Mostly city driving with a few 100km day trips. Late 2018 Model 3 SR+ | affemanz | 2021-08-09 05:15:32 | 67 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
4nkvv8 | A question my dad had | My dad is considering a Model S for his next car given that I ve been so hyped about them and had a question about range that I couldn t answer. He claims that the wheels turning should provide power to the battery. I ve explained to him about regenerative braking but he thinks that just the motion of the wheels turning could be converted. Can someone smarter than me answer this question? | RachelWolfeFem | 2016-06-11 10:12:35 | 16 | d44r0v3 | Two ways of seeing it: - Law of conservation: nothing is lost everything is transformed so you spend energy on moving and that s it you cannot take your energy transform it in kinetic and at the same time transform it in electrical. That would be doubling it and impossible according to this very law. - More pratical way of seeing it is that regenerative braking is braking after all. When you brake actually the motors just turn in the other direction acting as a generator. That BRAKES the car. So what your father wants to do is accelerate and brake at the same time. I think he knows what would happen. | knoluis | 2016-06-11 10:26:44 | 21 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
6ooq0k | A quick guide on how to save money when buying a new Tesla. | This is something I ve done and others on this subreddit have as well. Fact of the matter is these are expensive cars and sometimes it helps to save a couple of grand here and there. Here are two things you can do. 1. First off don t take the Tesla website or websites like EVCPO for their word when it comes to inventory. Fact of the matter is gallery and sales associates have access to other cars including showroom models. Go into a showroom and ask if they are willing to look through inventory on any discounted models. If you are specific about wanting something (car color leather) ask for them to look into those configurations as well. 2. Wait for a certain model to be discontinued. It was announced a month or so ago that the 90D series will no longer be available to buy as a custom order. So that obviously means Tesla will be looking to get rid of what s in their inventory. Using a website like EVCPO or talking to your gallery associate they can perhaps find one that has a decent discount. Heck there have been reports here of people getting a fairly optioned out 90D for the same price it would cost a 75 model with the same options! 3. If you don t care about Enhanced Autopilot FSD ~~or even the 21 inch wheels (YMMV on this one) ~~ ask an associate if they are willing to uninstall those features replace the tires. For the Autopilot and FSD they will literally knock out how much it costs to have it on the first place. So you can easily get a discount of 5k 3k ~~or w e the 21 inch wheels cost respectively.~~ 4. This is the most important and sadly it has to be. Always keep a personal note idea in mind of how much your ideal car would cost WITHOUT any discounts. Why? Because when an associate looks up these discounted models some are discounted from an older price point. Here s a quick example... * Inventory Model S 75 with EAP: 79k. **Discounted to 73k.** * Custom Order Model S 75 with EAP: **74k.** * Associate says the inventory model is discounted by 6k...now how does that make sense? Because they are seeing the old pricing structure. Some associates are aware of this and may play dumb while others will genuinely make that mistake. The point is just be aware of what your ideal Tesla will cost when comparing it to discounted inventory models. So that s it! Savings can range anywhere from 1k to 30k depending on the situation. So keep this in mind if you re in the market for a Tesla. | PrinceOfStealing | 2017-07-21 15:44:12 | 56 | dkiymvz | When I traded my 60 with 19 wheels for my CPO P85 with 21 wheels they wouldn t swap the wheels for me. :-( Granted this was over 2 years ago. | GeekLad | 2017-07-21 15:57:08 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4cnetq | A quick word to potential new Tesla owners...Figure out your charging situation ahead of time. | For those who don t know the price of the Superchargers are built into the price of the car and it s common courtesy to not use it as your primary source of charging since it not only drives up Tesla s cost but will saturate the network both physically and electrically. Know what your driving habits will be before you take delivery. A 120V will net you about 3-4 miles per hour of charge and a 240V will net you about 18-20 miles per hour. I know plenty of people who charge on 120V (myself included since my round trip to work can be refilled overnight) but a 240V is never a bad idea. Also check out Chargepoint and Plug Share to find out where the stations are around your home and work. Switching to a Tesla was life changing for me (in the best ways possible) and the community is amazing. Good luck to all of you over the next couple of days! | thatsmyaibo | 2016-03-30 23:27:57 | 60 | d1jw7yn | This is still a major consideration for me. I live in a city where real estate is ridiculously expensive (so home ownership will have to wait at least a few years. I don t even need a car since I live downtown 5 minutes from work but I really want one. It s a pain in the ass and prohibitively costly in terms of legal fees and time to deal with and receive approval from the condo board to allow the installation on top of the actual cost of installation itself where I live. There is only one location for super chargers in the city but lots of 240v stations scattered around me. The super chargers are located near my parent s home outside of the downtown core which would give me a reason to visit more often. I ll be pre ordering one but I ll have to justify the purchase when the time comes. I haven t splurged on anything big since I ve started working and everyone including my boss has been encouraging me to enjoy myself more and take more vacations. Anyways that s the end of my rant. What do you guys think? | jeleeMasher | 2016-03-31 01:38:54 | 9 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
4qoypx | A quote from the driver killed in the autopilot crash | *There are weaknesses. This is not autonomous driving so these weaknesses are perfectly fine. It doesn t make sense to wait until every possible scenario has been solved before moving the world forward. If we did that when developing things nothing would ever get to fruition.* - Joshua Brown | SuperSonic6 | 2016-07-01 00:34:35 | 58 | d4uu1pe | He died doing what he believed in https: www.reddit.com r screenshots comments 4qp8hg joshua_browns_last_tweet_was_about_his_teslas | Conan776 | 2016-07-01 02:15:47 | 10 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
hdcevg | A r TeslaMotors Update (Long) | ####We ve hit **700 000 subscribers!** This just so happened to coincide with an update we were going to share. We ll be at a million in the blink of an eye! You may have noticed in the past couple months a rapid increase in the number of generally lower quality posts. This has occurred for a few reasons. First thing people should know is that the mod team *constantly* discusses the flow of posts experiences and general quality of submissions. We listen to feedback that comes into mod mail (or what we monitor in comments). First due to initial complaints we had removed the minimum text requirement for text posts. We do listen and try things to see how it goes . We do this often without always sharing these little details because we want the change of that flow based on what we adjusted to occur naturally. What we mean by this is... if we announce we re removing the text limit... well... you re going to see a LOT of them. And that s the type of stuff we try to avoid. Second and some of you may have recognized this or not but we also started to allow basic question posts. Usually if a post was a clear simple question auto mod would defer them to our daily threads where Q& A happens. For this one we decided to let the votes do the work we see how it goes and explains why you see them much more often. The [daily threads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?q=author%3AAutoModerator+title%3A%22Discussion%22& restrict_sr=on& include_over_18=on& sort=new& t=all& utm_source=reddit& utm_medium=usertext& utm_name=teslamotors& utm_content=t3_hcj0w5) will often have between 50-200 comments daily depending on recent news or not. Also remember it is sorted by New so if your questions don t get a response simply make a new comment and it ll show up top again for someone to see. Also Discord is an option as well. Third and of some fault of our own we happened to have these changes in effect before Model Y deliveries began. This is important because if anyone remembers what the sub was like when Model 3 started delivering... well let s just say it was impossible to find the good quality posts through the noise of delivery questions experiences pictures being posted etc. Allowing more posts in general was something we wanted to allow to ensure the fresh content stayed during COVID as well. r TeslaLounge has grown to nearly 20 000 subscribers now and grew to become the place where people can share their Tesla story without the concern that a post would be removed as a repost or other reasons. From delivery posts pictures experiences questions it is great along side r TeslaMotors for the more personal feel. **We have daily threads posted every day for Q& A as well.** Sometimes (depending on how active things are) we will remove questions that have been answered by the community in a thread that really only help that individuals specific situation but and may not help a larger number of people. Some of you who have been here a while knows that it s been a challenge finding a great middle ground growing from 50k up to 700k along with hundreds of thousands of new owners. With investor specific posts being shifted with the rise of r TeslaInvestorsClub some of the mod team departing and us picking up new awesome team members and with all of this we ve found the toxicity that once existed has mostly dissipated. We know there is still some which we do our best to address but if you were familiar with where it used to be (with the things that existed noted above) it s a LOT better from our side. **The point of this post**. Sorry some context was needed. Despite the numerous changes and growth we re going to have to start being a little more strict based on the way we used to be when Model 3 was getting delivered. It can get unwieldy and what we find is that many posts don t help many others but really only help the individual. And this is good depending on what it is but we need to put that line in the sand again after we kind of made it fade when we removed some limits before. Another mod suggested a Weekly Delivery Ownership thread where purchase experiences can go while keeping it in r TeslaMotors. So folks don t have to go elsewhere for that type of stuff. We understand people are excited or frustrated and want a place to share or vent and we don t want to seem like we re removing negative posts. We get accused of it all the time but that s not how we work. There are many other reasons behind removals and if you have a particular issue with your post reach out to modmail and state your case you d be surprised how many things we approve if people ask and explain their train of thought. So do you think a weekly thread for those things would be beneficial? We think it would help with the flow of post quality as well and the amount of professional vs. personal when it comes to news and articles about Tesla. That about sums it up nothing is drastically changing but we wanted to let you know it s something we keep a close eye on and we always try to find a balance to make the most people happy. You won t make everyone happy but we can do our best because we aren t a small community anymore and we hope that people who are upset by these changes can understand that while we don t like doing it it s necessary for our sanity for the majority of subscriber happiness and just needed because of the growth. And we know the sentiment will be different for those who sort by new and who don t. If you have a particular question about a post remember we are all reachable through [modmail](https: www.reddit.com message compose?to=%2Fr%2Fteslamotors) so ping us there for a specific issue and we can keep this thread focused on general feedback. We always welcome feedback good or bad. We are not perfect (obviously) but we re here to listen. The worst thing you an do is assume something when it comes to how we do things so just ask us. If you have any other suggestions on how we present threads resources the wiki the look the recurring threads... just anything. Let us know and we ll talk through it. \- Your r TeslaMotors Mod Team u 110110 u rcnfive u WhiskeySauer u majesticjg u Matty10101 u cookingboy Edit: We ve made adjustments to our Rules page to reflect a few of these adjustments. Edit 2: Mods chatted we re going to allow photo video posts and more questions to see how things go since more delivery new owner posts will be in our weekly threads. Edit 3: We tried weekly threads and determined it made sense to simplify and unify our daily threads to reduce the number of auto-threads created. | 110110 | 2020-06-21 19:02:06 | 86 | fvkh813 | No direct criticism to anything but please don t try to shift everything to r TeslaLounge and destroy the main subreddit like r SpaceX did | Pedantic_Penguin | 2020-06-21 20:06:51 | 54 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
9b992r | A reminder about Chinese rivals | WSJ today shows the IPO of a Chinese Tesla rival -- and also shows GM is backing off its China plan while it looks for a new battery supplier. Chinese-made batteries are shitting the bed. & #x200B SHANGHAI—General Motors Co. s plans to ramp up electric-vehicle production in China were set back after the auto maker determined the Chinese-made batteries it intended to use failed to meet its own performance and safety standards during testing | RobertFahey | 2018-08-29 13:23:56 | 31 | e51e6jv | Given that GM has only sold EVs in the US as compliance cars that is more an indication that either GM simply isn t serious about EVs or it is still incompetent implementing technology it thinks is the future. | jphamlore | 2018-08-29 15:00:52 | 19 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
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6nohwf | A request for the lucky few invited to M3 reveal | Hi I have a request for anyone lucky enough to get invited to the Model 3 event on the 28th. If there is Q& A section for the event (likely will be) can you ask if the Model 3 can be imported in Canada? Currently you cannot import a US made Tesla Model S or X into Canada. As a Canadian working in the US this has made it impossible to commit to buying a Tesla. I love the car the company and the mission. Lined up and got a Model 3 reservation. But without knowing if I ll be able to keep the car when I move back to Canada I might have to cancel the reservation. Thanks. [1] [Transport Canada Vehicle Compatibility List (Search For Tesla)](http: www.tc.gc.ca media documents motorvehiclesafety VAFUS.pdf) [2] [Previous post discussing reason for incompatibility](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5akl27 uscanada_import_model_s ) | PureReborn | 2017-07-16 20:36:23 | 21 | dkazmyj | As you know you can t import S X. Safe to assume the 3 will be the same. *edit: I d contact Tesla. They can probably transfer your reservation to your Canadian address and take care of this for you so that you purchase the Canadian version of the car from Canada.* | BlackOrb | 2017-07-16 20:45:10 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8h5d3n | A serious lack of chargers in San Diego | Just spent an hour and a half looking to charge my car. EVgo was full with a leaf in a parking spot not charging. Tried going to chargers recommend by Tesla via navigation and since I wasn t a guest at a hotel was told no. The only supercharger in SD is near downtown and sadly nowhere near where I was. Tried ChargePoint and half of them are nowhere to be found or being used. Tried CHP office but only chargepoint charger not being used was in a handicap spot (too scared to use that especially at CHP center) I did this with a full charge just to see what would happen. Thankfully enough charge to get home but this is bad. | all_glory_tothe_toad | 2018-05-05 04:58:34 | 18 | dyh85cd | Didn t the San diego chargers move to LA? | memebuster | 2018-05-05 05:15:28 | 116 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
594s1g | A small tip I learned over the weekend with the new navigation software upgrade. | If you have home and work saved in your system you can just press the navigate icon on the screen and swipe down. The car will navigate to home if you are not there. If you are home it will navigate to work. Works well can confirm. Pretty cool trick. | jjlew080 | 2016-10-24 14:27:21 | 73 | d95szje | The home-to-work thing is interesting. Who gets in their car every morning and says Crap how do I get to the office again? Maybe for routing around traffic I guess. This seems like a very California feature. | -QuestionMark- | 2016-10-24 17:09:17 | 21 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
66m0i5 | A solar co. is selling the Powerwall2 for double the cost. | [the email](https: imgur.com gallery j43Pl) My mom recently got solar panels on her house a good deal and they are efficient. But the company sent her this email trying to get her to buy a Powerwall2 from them at $12 500! A single PW. They even claim the deal ends May1st which happens to be the day the Ca SGIP incentive re-opens. Don t know how they get away with this crap. Of course she is buying the Powerwall through Tesla. I will get one also when I get their roof. Is this typical? Are companies trying to sell the Powerwalls at inflated prices? The co. pulling the scam. la-solargroup.com https: www.tesla.com powerwall?redirect=no http: www.cpuc.ca.gov sgip | jaydsurfs | 2017-04-21 00:58:28 | 10 | dgjjp28 | How much would installation run? They are giving a price for it installed... | financiallyanal | 2017-04-21 01:23:30 | 5 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
6aov8v | A solar-generating roof will increase the value of your 🏡 by about the same cost as the roof and it will give you free electricity. Am I thinking about this wrong? | There has been a lot of talk about the roof being more expensive than normal and that it would take +-30yrs to get your investment back. But I haven t seen much talk about the elephant in the room that it will increase your home equity. Here s some armchair napkin math... 1000 sqft Roof @ 70% coverage should make about $85 of electricity a month (Here in NC where it s reasonably sunny and electriciy costs $.11 kWh) and cost $23 900 to install ($32 700 - $8 800 ITC). (I m completely ignoring the Powerwall here) An $85 payment increase on a 4% 30yr loan comes to an $18 000 increase in principal which means any home buyer should be willing to pay at least that much because that is what they will save on their energy bill. This means that your install cost comes to $5 900. Now how much more is a roof worth with an infinite warranty vs a 20 year warranty? How much more are nice looking shingles worth than plain tar shingles? (Tar shingles are the norm in NC) How much is it worth to a home buyer to be able to brag to neighbors and friends about having solar? Does all that add up to $5 900? I m sure it will depend on the buyer but [especially as people become more educated about solar] I m sure it would be. Granted my math is probably very rosy but my point is the true cost of a $32 700 solar roof is much much much less than $32 700 even BEFORE looking at any energy savings. Then after accounting for energy savings it s just money in your pocket after - worst case scenario - 6 years. And in the meantime you get serious bragging rights. Am I thinking about this wrong or no? Edit - I would love to get some thoughts about [this study from Berkeley Lab which found the average home buyer is willing to pay $4 watt for solar](http: newscenter.lbl.gov 2015 01 13 berkeley-lab-illuminates-price-premiums-u-s-solar-home-sales ). | Setheroth28036 | 2017-05-12 03:03:34 | 22 | dhga1sm | * Home equity increase is guaranteed to be less than the purchase price and is basically a question mark * Infinite warranty is only for the tiles not weatherization. Weatherization is going to be the issue and is only warrantied for 30 years * Those savings on energy bill are a lower ROI than you d get by just sticking the extra cash in a low-risk investment * Nice looking is relative and subjective * I m still trying to figure out where you re getting money your pocket after 6 years from since you just said after energy savings and everything the install cost is $6k | jetshockeyfan | 2017-05-12 03:25:41 | 21 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
84ya83 | A survey about Tesla | Hi guys! I m currently working on a project for school about Tesla. Currently I m gathering information about the likes and overall knowledge that people have about (Tesla) cars. I made a quick survey to help with that. You d help me out big time if you d spend a couple of minutes to fill it out. The survey can be found at https: docs.google.com forms d e 1FAIpQLSfzTa54H4W5FzHDEgyzOteOQ2ACptBpTnd5rhDoJStimxfS7A viewform?c=0& w=1 Thanks in advance! | 0newinged | 2018-03-16 19:53:31 | 13 | dvtnerg | sorry to be that guy ... There cars are fast ? | Alpha_Tech | 2018-03-16 23:41:42 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5kyb95 | A thank you | Just wanted to say thanks to everyone in this sub. The help and advice you guys have provided is amazing and truly appreciated. It is nice to find a place on reddit this welcoming | An_aussie_in_ct | 2016-12-29 18:24:22 | 119 | dbri5gj | ~~Get the fuck out~~! Kidding! You re welcome! I want to thank all the current owners who are able to provide even better help because they have the experience with the car. :) | 110110 | 2016-12-29 18:27:44 | 39 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
5txhxj | A thank you note to Tesla | Hello everyone. I just recently found this subreddit so I figured it would be as good a time as any to share how Tesla changed my life. I live in an arguably close-minded household in which my family members (mom and step family) who love me dearly fail to see the benefit of saving our beautiful planet technology altogether and owning a Tesla vehicle. They believe space travel is a waste of time and money and they think Elon Musk is a money grabbing prick who can t see how the real Americans live. So you know what I m up against here. I got into programming about 4 years ago when I was in the 7th grade because of a project I did on Elon Musk and Tesla Motors Inc. I always remember my dad telling me stories of the moon landing and the Shuttle missions as well as the first computers being built. Ever since I have strive to feel that rush the rush of something new being discovered or invented. Once I did research into what Tesla was doing and how Elon Musk was going to revolutionize the way we go about our everyday lives and once I realized this was all going to unfold in my lifetime I felt the rush that I was looking for. I wrote on my wall in sharpie my favorite quote from Elon: Really the only thing that makes sense is to strive for greater collective enlightenment. From that point on I wanted to help not only my family but everyone on this wonderful planet to embrace the future. I began programming more and more built my first computer and started taking more engineering courses in highschool. I am a Junior this year and just sent in my application to UT at Austin to get a degree in Software Engineering with the ultimate goal of working at Tesla someday. So that s it. Thank you Tesla. You are the sole reason I am where I am today and I believe that I can make the world a better place because of you. Thank you :-) | dodthan | 2017-02-14 02:39:57 | 213 | ddpxccz | Software Engineer Tesla fan and Elon-mancrush-extraordinaire here. Keep following your dreams! Let that rush push your and drive you. Never give up! :) | Filippopotamus | 2017-02-14 04:48:20 | 53 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5q3w97 | A theory on Elon s whole tunnel thing | It s not a traffic tunnel. It s a wind tunnel facility for SpaceX Tesla to use. To my knowledge Tesla nor SpaceX does not currently operate or own a sizable wind tunnel set up. They have been reliant on outside contractors to provide them with such needs. There s currently a [low speed smaller one](https: virtualglobetrotting.com map northrop-grumman-low-speed-wind-tunnel view bing ) at Hawthorne airport - but this is likely unsuitable to many of their needs. Elon stated it would be at Crenshaw and the 105 - across from SpaceX. That s not an area that particularly needs a tunnel - but would be a great close spot for an additional testing facility. References: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 810108760010043392 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 824182024479133698 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 824182450209386497 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 824183010241216512 Tesla also posted a position for a Sr. Engineer-Aerodynamics a position that calls for an understanding of wind tunnel tests. Naturally they already need this so this could be a red herring. https: www.tesla.com careers job sr-engineer-aerodynamics-19987 I m betting the traffic references were either for fun or due to annoyance of moving large scale projects through the streets of LA. | dirtyfries | 2017-01-25 15:49:26 | 20 | dcw2qcg | Elon will not lie like that. Every time he talks about tunnel he also talks about the traffic congestion. It is what it is: Elon can t tolerate being stuck in the traffic. Edit added the following: In addition to solving the traffic issue this transportation method is vastly safer than airplanes and cars. I am worried Elon could die in an airplane or car accident because he travels so much. It would be a loss for humanity. People always say airplane is the safest transportation per mile. But airplane travels a lot of miles in each trip. Whatever it takes we should get the tunnels done quickly. Then all zero emission vehicles can go through the tunnels. | Bobsky2 | 2017-01-25 16:04:14 | 29 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
61jfe1 | A thought on Elon Standard Time | Many people (myself included) get discouraged when Musk gives a timeline than misses it by miles. Be it AP1 parity model 3 timeline FSD everything seems to be delayed. I feel the problem with the timelines is fundamental to who Musk is and is important. My theory wild-guesstimate is because he is over optimistic. But then to create a fully electric car company revolutionize the solar industry travel through space and have cars drive by themselves you have to be a little optimistic don t you think? | An_aussie_in_ct | 2017-03-26 02:33:45 | 11 | dfez3zv | At some point while coming up with schedules you should look at history and say You know it s likely that taking the most optimized schedule I can imagine and shortening it by 20% is probably not going to be an accurate estimate. It s free advertising certainly (it would be interesting to see the ratio of article to tweet for any of Elon s tweets) but when you miss deadlines repeatedly it starts to get old. | Syonyk | 2017-03-26 02:56:18 | 12 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
1cw0ka | A toast to Tesla whose stock crossed $50 a share today. | I ve been watching Tesla for a while now and owned stock in it since it was around 28. I think Tesla has proven it can make it with their first profitable quarter a few weeks ago--this is just another milestone. Hope it goes up another $50 soon! **Edit after May earnings**: Guys this is crazy. Really anyone who owned some Tesla stock I think you have enough profit now to go out and buy a Model S. Amazing. | fuweike | 2013-04-22 21:10:20 | 54 | c9kmcxl | As both a Model S driver and as someone who bought at $16.50 I ll drink to that ! | shpider | 2013-04-23 00:36:16 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
hw7csk | A transcription of everything Elon had to say about the FSD rewrite during the Q2 investor call | This is what Elon had to say regarding the impact the FSD rewrite will have on functionality: *We re currently testing full self-driving software for intersections and city streets and narrow streets. So I personally test the latest alpha build of whole self-driving software when it when I drive my car and it is really I think profoundly better than people realize. Yeah really profoundly better. It s like amazing.* *It s almost getting to the point where I can go from my house to work with no interventions. Despite going through construction and widely varying situations. So this is why I am very confident about also driving functionality being complete by the end of this year because I m literally driving it.* Later this is what Elon had to say about the rewrite itself: *Well The actual major milestone that s happening right now is really transition of the autonomy system in our cars AI from thinking about things in terms of two and a half dimensions. Like they think it s best to take like isolated pictures and during image recognition on the pictures that are partially correlated in time but not very well. Transitioning to 4D where you know it s like video essentially you get thinking about the world in three dimensions and in the fourth dimension being time so that s the architectural change which has been underway for some time but it s not been rolled out to anyone in the production Fleet. Thus far is really just been with like 2D. Mostly 2D. So just it s just hard to convey. Just how much better the fully 4D system will work. It does work. It s capable of things that that if you re just looking at things as individual pictures as opposed to video...* *So They seem to have just like a giant Improvement. Probably roll it out later this year. But you know it ll be able to do traffic lights stops turns everything you know pretty much and then it will be a long march of nines essentially. So definitely way better than human but how much better is going to be? That that s actually going to be the real work. Is just a massive amount of work with each kind of order of magnitude of reliability.* *But you ll see it happen. And if you plot the points on the curve it ll be kind of obvious where it s headed.* | summernightdrive | 2020-07-23 02:15:46 | 174 | fyxvdtv | Had to drop an “order of magnitude” in there. | elijahmadonia | 2020-07-23 02:29:11 | 119 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7f4rnd | A truckers take on ergonomics | I drive a truck full time over the road about 130-140 000 miles per year. I actually sleep in my truck about 350 nights per year. Anyway I see a really big issue with the Tesla. Truckers spend all day in the truck. Most of the time I have my window rolled down enjoying the breeze having a smoke or just seeing if I can land a half eaten taco on your windshield. That doesn t look possible with the center seat and if the windows don t roll down it s a complete deal breaker. Another thing. Ingress and egress. I get in and out of my truck probably fifty times a day. It s open door swing leg over and I m out. Getting in and out quickly and easily is super important because there are many times you need to enter and exit the truck multiple times in a minute while adjusting the trailer and such. A cockpit is great for an airplane. The center seating position I really don t like. If you ve ever noticed when a truck is rolling down the road there is typically 12 inches between tires and white and yellow lines I need to be able to hang my head out of the window to make turns. I love the digital displays but I will never trust the camera alone to make sure there s not a kid running up or anything. Anyway move the seat back to the right. Put in a window I can hang my arm out of and holler at girls and I m cool. I do hope Tesla hired a company like Kenworth or Freightliner to consult because trucks have evolved over 75 years to be ergonomic in ways a non trucker could never imagine. One more thing. Knock on wood my 2016 freightliner has never been in the shop for a breakdown in 326 000. That s super important. The payment on my truck is 680$ a week and I have to make that payment whether the truck rolls or sits. You d need really deep pockets to take a gamble on reliability. 500 000 miles is the standard today before trucks begin to give trouble. That s big rig durability. Tl dr truck doesn t look ergonomic. | Common_Fanfare | 2017-11-24 03:45:41 | 17 | dq9hwhk | I m all for this inconvenience if the result means less truckers being creepy by hollering at my wife and less tacos on my Model 3 s windshield. | Skate_a_book | 2017-11-24 03:59:52 | 75 | Revolutionary Tesla Cybertruck |
5a66fd | A truly liberating experience (Model X ownership) | After 5 weeks of Model X ownership experience I still remember what it s like to drive a non-electric car. Sort of. Reflecting back I ll admit it is a bit counterintuitive (before you experience the car for yourself) but driving the X feels very liberating especially since we did not lease it (no annual mileage cap penalty) the car is long-distance travel enabled (cost pre-paid no range anxiety with a Tesla car) - have done and looking forward to many more road trips the car is always 80% charged every morning (at a fraction of the cost of gasoline) with over 200 miles of range and the sky-high windshield super-effective air filter superior safety (always 1st priority albeit not always mentioned as such - nothing else really matters more in life) the ease of getting a toddler in and out of the car with the falcon wing doors seal the deal. | redmodelx | 2016-10-30 14:13:48 | 20 | d9e47ry | Should probably mention the inspiration for the write-up came to me the morning after figuring out how to get a good night sleep in this car. At 6 4 it is possible for one adult to stretch out comfortably in a 6-seat version of the car. You just need to figure out how to make the space between the 2 second row seats up into a contiguous bed . You can then lie down with head toward the back of the car and feet toward the first-row armrest area. The length of space is plentiful this way (feet do not actually reach the armrest). With the A C running continuously this is a pretty good arrangement if you are traveling by yourself and renting a room or setting up a tent is not practical. | redmodelx | 2016-10-30 17:10:23 | 8 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
81zcmi | A unique perspective of on the Model 3. Check out these macro shots I took. | I wanted to have a new angle for my post about my Model 3 experience. After waiting nearly two whole years to get my own I caved and rented one on Turo for 24 hours and it was honestly pure bliss. I like many of you have had my excitement tampered by other peoples take on the car. I am so happy I spent $180.00 to see it for myself. Every concern I had has melted away and I am more excited than ever to get my own. Oh yeah the VIN was 6445. I found no cosmetic problems. Panel gaps seemed perfect to me. Fit and finish was impressive compared to all the salty posts and I had no issues that I have seen on this sub. The owner had a Model S and a power wall at his house! He said he was very impressed by the quality of his Model 3 compared to when he first took ownership of his P85 Model S and says he thinks driving the Model 3 is more fun. Edit: annnd my title has a typo. Nice! **[Please enjoy my photos. I am trying to learn composure at the macro level so go easy on me haha.](https: imgur.com a bKPSc)** . Shot on a Canon 5D MK IV with a 100mm f2.8 Macro | theloudestlion | 2018-03-04 18:11:36 | 103 | dv6bzlw | 1. Door tweeter 2. Inside of front door 3. Inside of front door extra close up 4. A-pillar roof speaker 5. A-pillar? (not sure) 6. Steering wheel control 7. Dash 8. Microphone + reading light 9. Bottom of cupholder? 10. ~~Carpet?~~ Edit: Oh! This might be the inside of the centre console actually. 11. Seat stitching. Front seat? | afishinacloud | 2018-03-04 18:44:38 | 27 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8zdb46 | A usage case for the Powerwall 2 for which I am uncertain on how this can possibly be implemented | We currently have no solar on our house (though we plan to have one installed sometime in the future) so for the time being the Powerwall 2 would have to be charged from the grid. We have a so called Smart Meter from our utility that is capable of reporting our energy consumption every 15 minutes to the grid and energy supplier. We want to move to a new energy supplier shortly which offers a special rate with hourly energy price adaption which means there are 24 energy prices per day that are announces by the energy exchange every day at 2 p.m. for the following day. That data is also available by API data feed from that energy supplier. As far as I can tell from the information about the Powerwall 2 it is controlled by the gateway. The question is now how can the gateway be programmed to utilize the API data feed of the energy supplier to only charge the Powerwall 2 from the grid in the hour or hours when the energy price is the lowest. Or can the gateway not be configured that way and there is additional hardware (but which?) necessary to implement the desired behavior? | TeslaBargain | 2018-07-16 18:16:16 | 23 | e2huorq | off peak charging and usages offset is already a native feature. | maverick8717 | 2018-07-16 18:31:28 | 11 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
axgou6 | A useful tip only for FIRST time buyers of Tesla cars | Please use the link below to test drive first: https: www.tesla.com drive You may have heard that Tesla is no more offering test drive . That is completely untrue. Just click on the link above. I feel it is very important to test drive a vehicle you are going to buy. Specifications are fine. But personal experience has no match. Tesla cars have no match for quality of driving experience. You cannot believe it unless you experience it. | vinodjetley | 2019-03-05 04:02:02 | 28 | ehthlil | This will reduce the time you can return the car from 7 days to 1. https: www.tesla.com support tesla-return-policy | Teslike | 2019-03-05 04:13:21 | 39 | Test Driving Tesla Models |
28vwwx | A very interesting experience with Tesla Motors... | So I am a huge fan of Tesla and I always check their website to customize the Model S as a hobby although as a student I cannot afford the car. Last week I was playing around with the car customizer and I proceeded to the order page where I provide the contact information. I filled in the info including my phone number but I didn t press the order button. I also have never applied for a test drive. Today I received a call and I was kinda shocked to learn it was actually the Tesla store. They wanted to know if I was interested in a test drive of the car. I said that I would be very happy to do so but that I do not have a driver s license in Germany. Then they even offered me to have a Tesla sales person drive me around for the test drive. So I gladly accepted and I will be driving the Tesla Model S in August for half an hour! (in the passenger seat of course.) Although I am not sure how they got my phone number when I didn t go through with the purchase in the order page (probably through some sort of registering info when it is being inserted) I am very glad to be contacted by them. I will be taking a couple of friends as well to the test drive and I am sure they will also fall in love with the car. | 100_ta_dool | 2014-06-23 17:01:52 | 30 | cieyyfg | While filling out the order page the page may already send the contents to the backend server informing the sales people of a very interested possible sale. This is quite common in the web recently there was a study on how often people do fill in stuff and then do not send it. Or do slight changes. (The study was about facebook doing the exact same thing. And people seem to often type out quite a lot of swearwords and then selfcensor it before submitting it) Personally I do view it as a breach of privacy as you would not expect these information being available to the server company behind the server. By student you mean Schüler (highschool attendant) as opposed to Student (university attendant) I d assume? | PjotrOrial | 2014-06-23 17:18:56 | 19 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
c7o0t2 | A vow from one Tesla owner to another... | Today someone accidentally dinged my car door. Dinged the paint down to the primer and creased the edge. Here s my vow: if you re in the wild looking for a parking space and you see a Red LR AWD with a Hawaii license plate frame -- park next to it. That s me. I promise I won t hit your car and I always have my Sentry mode running. & #x200B EDIT: Here is the video. You can see it was an accident so I chose not to go after the owner. I have a daughter that opened her door into a BMW. Lucky for us the owner didn t care because it was a rental. https: reddit.com link c7o0t2 video 5tn34942ou731 player | RelaxitsonlyAnal | 2019-07-01 04:20:11 | 68 | esgkrux | Now. I get. It! Right on! Have fun be safe. | Sdosullivan | 2019-07-01 04:41:10 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
enubx3 | A way to reproduce rattle noises on-demand at service centers | My new Model X was experiencing a rattling sound from the front passenger door speaker. It would only manifest with some kinds of music or voices—women s voices in particular. (Did a cross-country road trip and listened to an audio book with a female narrator. 18 hours of rattling drove me crazy!) It turns out that the new Trax app in the latest firmware update is a great way to reproduce these problems on demand. Open the app crank the volume up (top of the screen) add a instrument > Wind > Ocarina. On the keyboard that pops up slide over to the C3 octave to the left and hold down the keys for a [C major chord](https: www.pianochord.org c-major.html). Every rattling noise in my car became extremely obvious immediately. The Service Center s shop foreman was blown away they used it to reproduce the problem later that day and to prove that they had fixed it. Turned out that it was just a loose speaker assembly taking it apart and putting it back together again fixed it. I ve heard that you can also reproduce these problems yourself with a Bluetooth phone connection and a tone generator app but the SC folks aren t willing to do that. Reproducing with an app built-in to the car was a huge win. | jasondclinton | 2020-01-12 22:06:51 | 1,488 | fe5an0r | Could be huge gonna try it out Actually works but not sure if it identifies any rattles that s not speakers | Kimorin | 2020-01-12 22:11:24 | 308 | Tesla Model 3 Audio Experience |
cuu39j | A week of bad news was actually a good week for Tesla RECAP | A lot of things happened to Tesla this week the stock was down but it was actually a really good week. **Good News mostly hidden. Media: very little coverage** Starts slow no Musk confirms that V10 will have advanced summon and will be released in 4 to 8 weeks then Fsd prices will increase that means we ll hopefully opt-in the FSD revenue before Q3 financials late October. no coverage Ron Barron gives a 30minute CNBC interview and confirms that he didn t sell any stock out of his 1billion+ investment and he s in it for the long run confirms support for Tesla and Elon Musk. Practically no coverage. Moody upgrades Tesla to stable which is a big deal confirms that there is a good chance that the company will pay all its near term debt and will probably be profitable. Practically silent no coverage from the financial media China provides Tesla Giga 3 vital certification Tesla Secures batteries for Giga 3 **Bad news: Insane coverage mostly noise with very little substance or effect on Tesla s core business let me explain why** WalMart Lawsuit turns out that Tesla sued first because of WalMart refused to turn on the systems after inspections. Of course that wasn t covered in fact Tesla s side of the story was covered 24hours later after about 60 articles saying that Tesla solar panels are faulty. The joint statement confirms it was more of a contract dispute rather than a safety issue. James Anderson from Baillie Gifford a fund that owns 7.5% of Tesla talks about Musk says he has a communication issue with investors and Tesla would be just fine without him at the helm but what was not mentioned in all these stories was that he also said that musk positives far outweigh the negatives. Yep he actually praised him not for him to be fired or step down as most of these articles mention. He was also very impressed with the new CFO. Read the full story if you can. | ruvamicro | 2019-08-24 14:32:57 | 191 | exz4mal | It s crazy how biased the news is. Like wow | cristian_wanderlust | 2019-08-24 15:34:58 | 72 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
ia0ydn | A year into my 2019 Long Range AWD Model 3 - my list of pros and cons | I ve had my Model 3 for a little over a year now and wanted to put my pros and cons into a list for anyone looking into get into one themselves. Some background to help provide insight into why my pros and cons are my pros and cons - I m a huge tech enthusiast and live in an area that experiences all four seasons. This is my first EV coming from three Cadillacs and an Audi. I charge at home with a 220 volt outlet and the mobile charger that came with the car. I ve only had to supercharge a handful of times and do 99.9% of my charging at home. I opted for the base 18 rims base (at the time) black paint and base black interior. Pros * AutoPilot. This one can t not be at the top of the list. I had to move for work recently and my commute grew from 2 miles round trip to 70. I spend a lot more time in the car and about 90% of my commute is on the highway. The 30 minute drive to and from work feels like nothing because I barely have to do anything - pretty much just get in the car and let it take over. * Acceleration torque power. Even without the performance model and the $2 000 speed upgrade there s a good chance I m the fastest car on the road at a given time. Being able to zoom forward to merge onto the highway or overtake a slow moving car on a two lane road is amazing. Plus the feeling of my head hitting the head rest has not gotten old yet even a year in. * Software updates. Some features my car has gotten for free over the last year: faster 0-60 time games Netflix left and right side view camera access when using the backup camera lane keep assist and lane departure warning visualization improvements and more. This is the only car I ve ever had that actually gains more in features after you drive it off the lot - and for free. * Wow factor. I ll admit I like the attention to an extent. Watching passengers break their necks to look into my car while cruising along the highway with AutoPilot on and hearing where s your engine when I pull my backpack out of the frunk when I walk into work in the morning. * No gas stations! Starting on a full tank every day is a point that s not talked about enough. Not to mention the convenience of not having to go to the gas station. * Remote control. I LOVE that I can control a lot of the features in my car remotely. My last two Cadillacs and my Audi all had remote lock capabilities and my two Cadillacs had remote start from my smartphone too but to be able to set the climate heated seats vent windows lock doors open trunk frunk from my phone is awesome. Being able to start it from the app is also a really cool feature if you ever need to let someone move your car while you re away from it with the key. * Winter driving. This car is over 2 ton. Coupled with all wheel drive and cautious driving it acted like a tank this past winter. We had maybe 10-15 bad snows throughout the winter and not once did I question my ability to navigate the roads or worry that I d get stuck somewhere. I didn t use winter tires. * Instant heat. Coupled with pre-conditioning I could warm my car up in the colder months 5 minutes before I was ready to take off and the interior would be nice and comfortable for me by the time I was ready. Plus if it had snowed it was really nice being able to thaw the front and rear windshields to an extent. Cons * Tesla support. This one goes to the top of the list. Tesla s customer service and support is garbage. Unless MAYBE you live in California and it s a little less garbage. My delivery experience was horrible and trying to get any kind of service for my car has been a joke without even the option for a loaner vehicle for repairs. Say what you want but rideshare credits are not going to cut it when I ve got an 80 mile trip home from the service center and that 70 mile round trip work commute I mentioned earlier during the week. Tesla has been reluctant to schedule mobile service every time I ve requested it and trying to reach someone is next to impossible because they do all of their chatting with you via text. They take days to respond - I m not kidding. * Overall vehicle and paint quality. The driver and passenger rear doors stick out slightly farther than the front doors. It s enough that there are actually paint chips on the little part that sticks out on the back doors from rocks debris getting kicked up off the road. One year in and the rock chips on the front are AWFUL. I m afraid to see what it s going to look like after another winter. The paint quality seems pretty poor and a lot of people seem to share the same consensus. There was peeling paint and paint bubbles in two areas on my car at delivery as well. Quality control seems to be an afterthought. Not sure if it s still an issue on the cars coming off the line today but there were a lot of complaints on this and my Model 3 is no exception. * Lack of luxury features for a luxury car. Compared to my last car a loaded Audi A4 Prestige trim this car does not have (nor does any trim level of the Model 3): proper blind spot monitoring rear cross traffic alert braking 360 degree birdseye camera view handsfree operated rear trunk head-up display heated steering wheel tri-zone climate control decent ambient interior lighting XM radio (I will never understand this one especially since Model S and X have it?) and a bunch of other small things (like cool dynamic sequential rear turn signals illuminated door sills projection puddle lamps and more). * AutoPilot is far from perfect. I have been flipped off by someone behind me more than once because AutoPilot decided the empty road ahead posed a threat and proceeded to slam on the brakes. The person behind thought I was brake checking them and (rightfully) gave me the finger. Going from a single lane to double lane road is hit or miss especially if the new lane is a turning lane. Up until recently my Model 3 would always try to hard swerve into a turning lane instead of continuing straight in the driving lane. * Rain sensing wipers and auto high beams may as well not exist. Model 3 does not have a real rain sensor because Tesla decided to save some cash and try to use AI from the cameras that control AutoPilot in the front of the car. Because it doesn t use the normal rain sensor (which uses IR light to detect if there s water on the windshield) like every other car with this feature the car often gets confused at what wiper speed is necessary for the amount of rain falling and decided it can t go wrong if it just sets the wipers to high speed for a light sprinkle. Sometimes the wipers work decently but I find myself manually controlling them 90% of the time. Tesla - you already missed the boat on a real rain sensor but maybe give us a sensitivity control? The auto high beams are pretty bad too. It deactivates at signs on the road that reflect the lights from my car but won t turn off when a driver is coming toward me. It s even worse on the highway. If the brights do turn off on their own the car activates them IMMEDIATELY after the passing car has left the camera which results in the driver in the opposing lane getting flashed jut as they re passing you. * Cold weather = 50% range on full charge. This one sucks. It s not a Tesla problem it s an EV problem. Heat is a lot more inefficient than A C so in the winter even if you have your cabin climate turned off the energy the car uses to warm the battery is still going to cause pretty significant range loss. There are no superchargers in between me and my family an hour away so up until I bought a spare mobile charger my trips home were always filled with worry that I wouldn t have enough charge to make it back especially if there was a snowstorm or other factor that caused additional drain. These are the high level pros and cons that I can think of for now. Not an extensive list by any means but it seems like I ve gotten a lot down as it is. Thanks for reading. | idealdreams | 2020-08-15 04:11:40 | 209 | g1jf2rj | **Cons**: I ll add that last winter when it rained my interior fogged up so much more than any car I ve ever had. My seats or some area of the interior I could never pinpoint made a ton of squeaks. Cabin Noise. Holy crap at highway speed even with my premium stereo it s almost pointless if you don t blast music. I m not ready to have dynomat done and the rubber door seals and roof made zero impact. **Pros**: Regen braking. One pedal driving is the bomb don t know how I lived without it and Hold is amazing. Lower compartment in trunk is great. I can stow my yeti cooler packed with ice and it s nice and secure. I can bring home ice cream 115 degree Arizona heat without it turning into milk shake. Lack of maintenance. Love not having to have car serviced like an ICE. With one pedal regen probably my brake pads will last a looong time. Sentry mode. Haven t needed it but I like knowing when I m in a sketchy area I feel that much more comfort knowing I have some surveilance Dog mode. I don t have a dog but I ll keep it on when I have groceries in the car (another 115 degree Arizona reference) | kdubstep | 2020-08-15 06:43:23 | 50 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
eklkx0 | ABRP supercharger time | So I m planning my routes to go from work to a shore home a bunch of times in the summer. The shore home doesn t have any viable charging - maybe access to 120V 15A - so I am planning to not have any charging there. When I plan the route in ABRP I can get the parameters in there to leave my house originally at 90% and then go about 60 miles each direction to the shore house which basically will require me to hit a charger every day or two doing this (obviously if I am going “home” I will just connect to my home charger and be back to 90%) But I m noticing that it is having me pull into the charger sometime between work and shore house - never the opposite - which is fine and probably more ideal since I won t be in a rush to clock in. But it seems like it is always cutting me loose from the SC around 65%. I m wondering since I m already a few minutes off of the highway anyway if it would just make more sense to stay until the charge drops to trickle at 80% or if this wouldn t make a difference. In the mean time i will look into a charging solution at the shore house but that would be complicated since it is a family house and not exclusively mine. Thank you! | Pilot1226 | 2020-01-06 00:14:20 | 15 | fdc9rzy | even 120 15a charging will result in covering at least half your miles per day. | tornadoRadar | 2020-01-06 00:18:36 | 16 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
6hd39l | AC Draining inside Car | After less than 30 days my brand new Model S 75D is leaking water onto the front driver and passenger carpet. It was soaked to the point where you can see the water when pressing on the carpet. The car is on day 2 at the service center on So Cal. (There were also some other plastic parts that were loose and needed to be glued or replaced). Has anyone else had this issue? How was it resolved? How many trips did it take to be fully resolved? My son has a medical condition that requires that we are very careful about mold. The water was probably sitting in there for about 2 days or so before we noticed a slight mildew like smell in the car. If it were not for the healthy issue I think I would be ok having them dry it out as long as the smell went away and of course the problem was fixed. As it stands now it sounds like the won t replace the carpet which means I m going to have to test it for mildew for a few times until we re all clear. Any feedback would be appreciated. Reading these forums because most are horror stories about experiences with the SCs. | greco189 | 2017-06-15 05:32:10 | 13 | dixeuxo | I m assuming you ve been running the A C and it s somewhat humid there? Sounds like the drain for the A C system is plugged dislodged. Ever look at your A C unit in your basement when it s running? Lots of water is condensed from the unit. As for mildew I wouldn t be worried. Plenty of carpets get wet without issue. Get a ShopVac and vacuum out the water if it s still so saturated as to be squishy. Alternatively (or in addition to) leave the windows open and have a flan blowing across the area. The water will evaporate quickly. | Dr_Pippin | 2017-06-15 06:01:28 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
do1amy | AC Recirculate Disabled by Default | I typically drive with the air recirculation turned on so that I don t have to breath in other car s exhaust. I m now having to turn it on every time I get in and I don t believe this was a problem before v10. Does anyone else remember recirculation staying on ever time they got in the car before v10? | halforc0 | 2019-10-28 00:06:28 | 17 | f5jbock | If seems like the default had been off when I put it into drive since I got the car in April. Not 100% of the time but nearly. I would prefer to be able to set it to a default of recirculation because of other cars as well. And of course you only notice it when you forget when it is too late and you are smelling that exhaust. Bleh | Erimxul | 2019-10-28 00:53:39 | 7 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
gxzctn | AC Zones | I find that on hot days I often swap between having the AC on my face and my hands. I can do this on my own easily enough when autopilot is on but when it s not I have to wait. I think it would be really useful to be able to set specific positions and give them names to be called through voice commands. Set AC to body for example. | Hobojo153 | 2020-06-06 21:24:57 | 21 | ft75u1l | You can already say Turn on off floor face level windshield vent to do this. Known voice commands here: https: teslavoice.glideapp.io | Wugz | 2020-06-06 22:11:15 | 15 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
729fpn | AC and Heat Temperature range | I can t seem to find this and is likely due to my wording. * When it is hot outside how low can you set the temperature. *Say I want to set the temperature to 50F can I assuming the AC can keep up?* * When it is cold outside how low can you set the temperate? *If I wanted to set the temperate to 50F while it is 15F could I?* | mechrock | 2017-09-25 01:47:58 | 10 | dngtwza | The lowest you can set the climate control is “Lo” which is 59°. The car should be able to get down to that temperature if you give it time and it s not in the sun. Tesla s AC is pretty dang strong since there isn t a big engine heating everything up. If you set the temperature to 50° when it s 15° out then the heater will turn on. The AC won t turn on if the temperature is lower than the set temp | navinsiri | 2017-09-25 02:00:24 | 9 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
bl54tb | AC completely cut out while driving | This is phoenix AZ so it was \~100 degrees out today. I was driving my model 3 for about 20 miles on the highway and as I was exiting the AC just stopped no fans no airflow nothing. From that point on for about 10 miles the AC and fans would blow max for about 10 seconds then stop. Wait 20 seconds full blast and stop. I parked the car in the garage put it on the charger and came back out about an hour later. Opened the door AC kicks on 30 seconds later completely shuts off and starts the whole random Max to Off cycle every 20 seconds again. Holding the steering wheel buttons for 10 seconds to reboot the system had no effect. Same behavior What the heck is going on? & #x200B & #x200B EDIT: After letting it sit for 4+ hours I took it to the grocery store and had no problems. I have a service request in lets see if they find anything in the logs. I ll update here when I have more info | gummby8 | 2019-05-06 00:21:06 | 19 | emlo9q0 | Have you called service yet? | mechrock | 2019-05-06 00:25:49 | 13 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
dswqkm | AC on w Recirculation or venting Outside Air which one is more efficient? | I ve been trying to figure out for a while which is more efficient when hearing the cabin to prevent windows from fogging up Sometimes I can have the AC off and set to re-circulation and windows won t fog so that ll be most efficient. Has anyone done this test? Edit: Apparently this wasn t clear I m talking about cool weather < 60f where AC isn t needed for cooling. | mechrock | 2019-11-07 12:00:11 | 12 | f6suu58 | I haven t done that test but I will say that I keep re-circ off when I can because many have said it leads to mildew buildup and a bad smell. | Carnasis | 2019-11-07 15:21:16 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
fejzvf | AI filtering for humans in Sentry and Dashcam footage! | After a lot of requests for this feature I finally finished a polished app that: 1) enables rapid viewing of Sentry Dashcam footage using an adapter + USB drive 2) uses AI on iOS to quickly filter through the footage for only the ones with a human in them (license plate coming soon). This is the first app of its kind and we are running a 30% off for launch! www.sentry-ai.com https: apps.apple.com ca app sentryai id1498157357 | ficient | 2020-03-06 20:51:49 | 90 | fjolrhz | Here it is in action! https: youtu.be zGbGCT5A1UM | ficient | 2020-03-06 21:31:59 | 18 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
5cgm4z | AI in every new Tesla produced with over 500000 new ones yearly what can Tesla do outside of driving hours with this computation if allowed by the users? | So this question has been lingering in my mind what might be the possibilities for Tesla as a company and users who would allow access to the computational capabilities when the car is not out driving. Would it be possible to create the worlds largest supercomputer performing computation like Amazon or similar with just the Tesla car fleet? Is there a possibility we as users might be able to get benefits such as supercharger credits or maybe reduced service costs etc if lends the power to Tesla. Do you think this is something that has been considered in Teslas future strategy and what could be the benefits for Tesla as a company and us as users? Would love to hear any feedback on what you guys here think the possibilities or problems with this would be except some battery electricity usage outside driving. | Yttrasil | 2016-11-11 20:13:24 | 20 | d9wbd7e | I think you re overestimating the total compute power volume of cars out there relative to a modern supercomputing network. Processing power is so (comparatively) cheap that I think the effort to develop a system like this would be many orders of magnitude more than the cost of simply buying whatever additional processing power they need. Admittedly I haven t done any math on this so take it with a grain of salt. | ahal | 2016-11-11 20:37:45 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ecteyx | AI-powered rain sensor is much improved. Better than human. | With version 40.2.1 I can stop complaining now. I am a believer in the AI. Before this version windshield wipers on auto setting was far from intelligent. It was erratic wiping furiously when there s just light rain or doing nothing as the water droplets accumulated. This time the new version couldn t have come sooner. With the constant rain we ve been getting my wipers performed just right. It sped up when it needed to it slowed down as the rain lessened and when it was just condensation it knew when to apply the wipe and then pause. The change in cadence was like a symphony conductor knowing when to pick up or slow down the tempo. Manual Wiper mode + manual taps is going to be a thing of the past it looks like. I wonder how they got it right this time. Maybe they added the other cameras to complete the rain assessment. Whatever it is this new iteration of the rain sensor is almost perfect. | ShaqLuvsTesla | 2019-12-19 13:48:17 | 116 | fbdnpo5 | Mine is ok if it is sunny out. But on a dark cloudy day when the rain is misting it is still horrible. | EngineNerding | 2019-12-19 14:51:35 | 57 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ebnrtu | AITA Supercharging Edition | So I m not sure how many of you are familiar with r AITA but basically it s a sub asking people if what you did makes you the A*hole or not. So I was going to a supercharger that the map showed as having two empty spots. I get there and it is full. I figured 2 people showed up before me but for some reason it still said 1 stall empty. So finally after a 25 min wait someone left and I was walking out of the car and noticed a car parking without charging. The place had signs saying charging only . I know some places allow ev general parking for 30 mins but this was charging only. I decided to go ahead and plug in the car (Model 3) that was sitting without charging. The way I see it if for some reason they forgot that I did them a favor but if not at least they ll get the notification on their phone and move their car. Is that fair or AITA | pkoya1 | 2019-12-17 00:17:58 | 94 | fb672zd | Either they forgot or they re hogging the stall and now they have to pay for it. NTA | feurie | 2019-12-17 00:36:53 | 109 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
e3ayer | ALL CONFIRMED CYBERTRUCK ADD-ONS (with sources) | FULL SELF-DRIVING ($7 000*)- https: www.tesla.com cybertruck Camping Package (N A)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1197895848950026240?s=21 ATV Cyberquad (N A)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1197886803799232512?s=21 Flamethrower ($500**)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1199720951899811841?s=21 Solar Wings (N A)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1197889310550216704?s=21 Solar Roof (N A)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1197889310550216704?s=21 Steel Balls (N A)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1199569673832009728 Please let me know if I have missed anything and if I did leave a source too. * Price listed on website ** Past retail price | CMCosMic | 2019-11-29 06:31:31 | 68 | f922zsw | I m waiting for the first YouTuber to make a 12 minute video talking about cyber truck flame thrower predictions | loco_elect92 | 2019-11-29 06:52:55 | 49 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
828q4t | AMA : Model 3 road trip from Colorado to Michigan (completed) | I recently drove my new Model 3 from Colorado to Michigan. Took more than 24 hours to complete. Used AP for 99% of the highway driving. What questions do you have? | tesrella | 2018-03-05 19:48:40 | 14 | dv87z0o | What are the best edibles in Colorado for a mellow but not overpowering high (asking for a friend)? Were you attacked by angry mobs of autoworkers at the Michigan state line? I took a lot of AP classes in high school but have never found them super relevant to real life... does it feel refreshing that driving a car finally uses these skills? | NoVA_traveler | 2018-03-05 19:55:59 | 37 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
3ih3cm | AMA Request: Bjørn Nyland | From his [hours of helpful videos](https: www.youtube.com user bjornnyland) to being the well-deserved [first to 10 referrals](http: www.teslarati.com bjorn-nyland-first-winner-tesla-referral-program ) to his recent [record breaking mileage](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 3ib3d7 bj%C3%B8rn_nyland_world_record_p85d_driving_7287_km ) this guy is basically a Tesla living legend. Would you ask him u Ko_deZ? | EatMoarToads | 2015-08-26 15:06:40 | 175 | cugilet | Awesome :) Ok what do I do next? | bjornnyland | 2015-08-26 18:08:00 | 94 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
1xon30 | AMA from Elon? | Does anyone here know someone who knows Elon? I was thinking of an Ask me anything on the r IAmA subreddit with the holy grail of celebrities. Words couldn t express how cool that would be. Also what questions would you want to ask him? | twinbee | 2014-02-12 05:13:36 | 71 | cfd82is | Immediate questions which spring to mind: * Once other companies catch up and produce electric cars around as good as Tesla s will Elon still fight to produce even better so as to gain the most market share or will he consider his mission complete ? * How does he intend to solve the noise of a VTOL craft if he ever starts producing flying cars. * What he thinks of zero maintenance for the consumer and how much emphasis they ll put into that for the Model E etc. | twinbee | 2014-02-12 05:17:52 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7o7e7u | AMA request: Someone who paid You You Xue for a test drive on the across-country trip... | Was it worth it? | stevejust | 2018-01-05 00:47:06 | 18 | ds7co3u | Yes. After driving (and riding in the back seat with two larger men) I am convinced this is the EV everyone has been waiting for. | McHoffa | 2018-01-05 00:52:28 | 28 | Test Driving Tesla Models |
8vyaea | AMA request: recent owners who did home delivery | My ISA made it sound pretty cool but after searching this subreddit for other experiences it seems limited. My questions: 1.) My ISA *maybe* said there would be paperwork sent to me before the delivery. Is that right? (Still haven t received anything) 2.) is it like any other home service where they call you when they re close or will I just be waiting on my front porch all day like a kid on Christmas Eve? 3.) any paperwork during the delivery? 4.) what happens if something is wrong with the car? Like scratches or dents? Do they just take it back? Can I accept with the exception of certain defects which can be fixed later by a service center? 5.) anything I need to watch out for with home delivery? For example missing charger or SAE adapter? Thanks for your help! | Dinco_laVache | 2018-07-04 03:06:12 | 17 | e1rc72j | Live in Maine was required to receive the vehicle via home delivery since I wasn t going to register the vehicle twice (one in the state of sale again when I got it home). Service center is four hours away but I was flying in via Boston and went to inspect the vehicle before payment. Noticed a few discrepancies had them annotated and fixed before delivery. Signed and paid for everything before delivery. You might get documentation electronically for signatures and such only documentation I received at delivery was the bill of lading or whatever it s called. Vehicle arrived with a chipped windshield and a busted wing mirror. I ensured the delivery driver noted it on his documentation and mine accepted delivery and called the service center to replace at my next service appointment. Vehicle was delivered at dusk so the next morning in sunlight I did another inspection. Found a few more minor discrepancies that I didn t find previously documented with pictures sent it all over to my delivery specialist with no issues. I m not familiar with having at home delivery with an actual Tesla employee present. My guy was literally just a contracted truck driver who drove up in a tractor trailer backed it out into the street and took off. | bemental_ | 2018-07-04 03:31:32 | 8 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
kltfoa | AMD NAVI23 on MCU3 | When would you expect it to come out? I ve been eagerly waiting for a refresh soon before purchasing a model Y. Here are my concerns for the current MCUs equipped with the Intel Atom E8000: 1) the CPU is too slow to render pages. the loading time is spent rendering not downloading. 2) not even YouTube try Hulu. Pages take ages to load while the page is being rendered. 3) on any video site you can t get over 720p because the CPU can t render any higher resolution than that. it chokes hangs the interface and you struggle to lower the quality while the audio and video start playing independently and the UI is frozen. not even just 720p but has to be 30fps 720p because 60fps 720p is also too much for it. It s a piss poor experience all to do with the piss-ant little 1000-point CPU they chose in an era of 10000-point laptops and 50000-point desktops. I know that there is going to be a bunch of people who are going to bash on me for this but I m using this car for up to 8 years. Seeing how terrible MCU1 perform nowadays I m afraid that I ll suffer the same fate. Keep in mind the Intel Atom E8000 was announced in Q2 2016. It s a 4.5 year old chip. I can t believe they re still putting this on a 2020 vehicle that s centralized around a computer. At the time they selected this chip the chip they picked was one of the lowest-performing chips they could have picked. A flagship phone s CPU would ve been around 10 times faster at the same power consumption - in 2016 when it was being designed. What they ve done is ship a product that s going to be MCU1-level obsolete in possibly just as short a time... and that s sad. It can t even play 1080 video on YouTube or 720 60fps. It just can t keep up. | CSGOSELL | 2020-12-28 16:21:05 | 20 | ghaybxv | The MCU3 is why I m holding off on getting a model 3. I just went from MCU1 to MCU2 on Model X via the retrofit and it s a night and day difference. For a car this is the best infotainment system on any cars miles better than whatever Ford BMW Mercedes etc. put out there (excluding CarPlay and Android Auto but those aren t native infotainment systems). So while this is the best infotainment system out there it s fucking trash compared to a modern day iPhone iPad and Mac (with their A14 and M1 Chips) or just about any other phone that s releasing with a higher end chip such as the SD 888 soon. And while Tesla goes for efficiency in their chips it s possible to have a really good power chip with good power efficiency today. We are past the iPhone 6 days. There shouldn t be any debate about this. Yes stuff works but it painfully works in comparison to an iPad for example. YouTube takes a long time to even start rendering on the browser is trash and games run well but are still limited in what a modern game could be doing (think Rocket League). I mean cmon is the Atom even capable of rendering video playback smoothly on 4 simultaneous video streams for the Dashcam viewer? I assume that s a big reason why the Dashcam viewer is so bad. There s no frame by frame scrubbing (not even frame scrubbing at all). I 100% expect MCU3 to be standard at least by late 2021. This is an embarrassing chip to use for a technology company even Intel itself is starting to be embarrassing against AMD Apple arm and pretty much everything else. A good way to mitigate this would be for Tesla to actually develop a Tesla App Store where apps are specifically optimized for the car. Apps like YouTube where they are actually apps and not websites rendering in like a sandbox or something. Who knows maybe this will be a thing by the time MCU3 is out. What I don t know is if Tesla will offer the MCU3 as a retrofit this time around. It would make sense for them at another 2 500 - $3 000 but it wouldn t be needed. Hundreds of thousands of cars being produced with this would be pretty hard to offer a retrofit for considering it s not needed. Imo MCU1 to MCU2 was needed as the screen is a pain to use at 30fps on maps and under for other UI elements. I also assume the capabilities and feature set of the car will be so much better with the rumored AMD upgrade. I probably could ve typed this up much better but TLDR is that the current chip is trash in today s standards. Despite that it s still the best infotainment system out there (ignoring CarPlay and AA). Edit: And as a showerthought by waiting for the MCU3 update I dream of getting a fluid 120hz screen too but that s just a dream of mine. Even without games elements like scrolling or map pinching are so silky smooth on a 120hz screen like the iPad Pro. I don t think this is possible in a car industry rated screen though and if it is it would probably be too expensive. This is irrelevant to the conservation on MCU3 but boy can a nerd dream. | AppleSiliconIsAMAZIN | 2020-12-28 17:19:11 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
rhzwvc | ANC on refreshed S. | I got 2021.44.5 last night on my Plaid. Active Noise Cancellation Reduction was one of the features I was excited about. Tried it today and it was really hard to notice a difference at all. It says calibrating and then optimizes for either the front passengers or all passengers if there are occupants in the rear seats. Again I m not sure what I was expecting but for me I didn t notice anything. I think I was expecting something along the lines of what a ANC headset does. Anyone else have a different experience? Update: I tried the feature again. I don t notice any difference at all. Decibel meter also didn t show any difference. 63DB @ 70MPH. Off or on. I still like the car and I think it s sufficiently quiet. You can always hope for better though. I ve never seen this feature work well on any other vehicle either. | nathanstl | 2021-12-16 20:51:46 | 87 | houfgs4 | One of the advantages of being on the experienced side of the age curve is we can just turn our hearing aides off. | Frogleston | 2021-12-16 23:18:41 | 77 | Tesla Model 3 Audio Experience |
bfxz52 | AP (2019.8.5) remained in lane with no lines. | & #x200B [AP was activated prior to this section of roadway. Decided to see how well if would do since there were no other cars nearby. BOTH HANDS ON THE WHEEL and ready to take over was surprised it did incredibly well. AP maintained the proper position in the right lane and did not attempt a centering maneuver. Can t wait to see what HW 3 and new updates deliver!](https: reddit.com link bfxz52 video 08i0b43ptqt21 player) | EleventhHero | 2019-04-22 04:33:30 | 26 | elh4v9d | It s been doing that for a while. It has issues turning but it will go straight after losing the lines. I ve seen a couple YouTubers make videos on this last year. That said it s behavior is questionable in this situation. You have be a cautious you were every time because I believe it s looking for anything it can call a line and will veer off. | phxees | 2019-04-22 04:44:23 | 10 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
c4ppad | AP - What s best: Staying in the center of the lane or adjusting for conditions? | & #x200B This is part personal observation part questions but here goes: & #x200B I ve been observing autopilot and how it generally tries to stay in the mathematical center of the lane while driving. It felt somewhat uncomfortable so I started paying attention to the behavior of other drivers and other cars and it seems like: & #x200B When there s an oncoming car in a 2 lane road each driver has a tendency to adjust slightly off center towards the edge of the road to give drivers more room — especially noticeable on curvy roads. & #x200B When driving on a 6 lane highway it also seems like the inner- and outermost lanes tend to gravitate away from the center lane. & #x200B So my question is: Would it be good for Autopilot of emulate this human behavior? & #x200B The reason I ask is that by not emulating human behavior it may make other drivers nervous and give people a scared impression of a Tesla driving too close to them (whether it s the autopilot or the people other drivers wouldn t know). & #x200B Has anyone else noticed this or other human driving behaviors that might be missed by auto driving software? Or is this just all in my head? :-) | mustangwallflower | 2019-06-24 15:21:17 | 26 | erxpop4 | I m with OP! When passing a semi the car should give the semi a little more room IMHO. When a motorcycle splits lanes I should move over just a bit. When the right line goes away (for a merging lane) the car should not *center* between the left line and the (now far) right line. There are other examples I m sure :-). | hmspain | 2019-06-24 15:37:22 | 23 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6jw2i4 | AP 1 sudden deceleration in freeway - Update from tesla | They called me after looking into vehicle logs and confirmed it it because of a FW update that picks up speed of probably an adjacent road while on far most lane. Their suggestion was to stick to center lane till a new FW rolls out . Again there was a disclaimer that AP is in beta. Also while in far right lane there is possibility of deceleration while next to a exit lane because car might think I am taking an exit is what they told. Definitely made my AP 1 experience sub par compared to earlier. Not sure what they are trying to achieve here by retrogressing a working feature and making it unsafe at freeway speeds. And how long will it be beta?? | lazygamer26 | 2017-06-27 21:51:49 | 44 | djhfmfm | > And how long will it be beta?? Years. | Dr_Pippin | 2017-06-27 22:04:51 | 35 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
59jtgk | AP 1.0 - will we ever see curves and hills handled well? | One of my biggest griefs with the current AP is how poorly it does around sharp curves and the crown of hills. Do we know if it s a hardware limitation that is preventing it from working well (i.e. angle of sight) or do you think we ll see some vast improvement in the future? Would really like the number of forced takeover events to reduce to near 0 on my commute when just traveling in a normal lane... | Paleran | 2016-10-26 20:18:33 | 12 | d991ewu | I think what we could see is different from what we will see. I think they could use GPS data to know about hills and curves well in advance of where they are and fleet learning to manage them so it knows to slow down more (or further in advance) of a turn and it knows not to panic at the crest of the hill. I think it s possible. I don t think they ll do that though because they re going to be putting maximum dev effort into getting AP 2.0 hardware to work as well as AP 1.0 hardware works now then surpass it. **But ** AP 2.0 does not appear to have more vertical vision only horizontal. Therefore I think AP2 could have a similar problem with hills and therefore Tesla will have to work out a solution. There probably isn t a reason why that solution can t apply to AP1 cars if they want it to. It s the same problem. If I were the king of Tesla I d have a software team called the Legacy team. It would be made up of software guys on temporary assignment from the front-line team to give them a break from the screaming pace of new product development. The Legacy team s entire mission would be to refine the software for previous hardware configurations and fine-tune things that are often ignored by the front-line team like HVAC nagging issues with the media player etc. When was the last time anyone looked at the code for the original ultrasonic parking sensors and tried to tune it up or improve it? When was the last time anyone dug into the default EQ settings and tried to make it so enabling Dolby doesn t turn the output to shit? Logic for when we fold unfold the mirrors seat heaters etc. All those things could get small improvements and tweaks and have it merged into the main code base so the front-line team can continue boldly going forward. And reverse. And around corners without hitting pedestrians. | majesticjg | 2016-10-26 20:47:00 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5v6l54 | AP 2 Hardware enough to meet Level 5? | After listening to the World Government Summit in Dubai I had a question about the capabilities of the current AP 2 cars reaching Level 5. Elon Musk said Tesla cars that are made today have the sensor system necessary for full autonomy and we think probably enough compute power to be safer than a person. So it s mostly just a question of developing the software and uploading the software and if it turns out that the compute power more compute power is needed we can easily upgrade the computer which can also be found [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=7Lre6GxiQUE) After listening to that reading it I believe they will be able to reach close to or Level 5 but do you think Tesla will be able to achieve Level 5 with the current Drive PX2 Platform or will they need more power? If they aren t able to how do you think the owners of AP 2 will feel and if Tesla would replace the computer for a low price? | DrWumbo6 | 2017-02-20 19:27:20 | 12 | ddzli9u | elon says so | jonas_man | 2017-02-20 19:29:45 | 25 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5w7384 | AP 2.0 Autosteer local Road videos- 17.7.2 | 1. The local road Autoseer is not ready. Be very careful while using it. I tried it multiple times today and on 3 lanes road the autosteer tends to take the car to the rightmost lane if you are in the middle lane. Luckily there was no one coming from behind. little scary https: youtu.be gtOenZqkxSY 2. This a little longer video on a curvy two lane internal road. Autosteer works well although the blue lines dance a lot. https: youtu.be a91d-7eJGao | Westernlyviews | 2017-02-25 23:29:24 | 23 | de7s228 | I tested out local roads today it was a disaster. It doesn t deal well with cars parked on the right. And with the lack of a right lane line. It wants to center the car between the curb and the yellow line when really it should be sticking close to the yellow line and assuming the right is for parking. | noahio | 2017-02-25 23:35:21 | 13 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5cxt5x | AP 2.0 Cars are starting to hit inventory | Took a look at EV-CPO and see alot of AP 2.0 Cars being added | IAMGQx | 2016-11-14 19:25:24 | 57 | da09hhv | Just saw this about an hour ago. I ve been waiting! | DrWumbo6 | 2016-11-14 20:22:53 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
84iey6 | AP 2.5 Hardware Teardown and Comparison | AP2.5 - https: photos.app.goo.gl 7w6LQlQrxjhISILY2 AP2.0 - https: photos.app.goo.gl O3m9XDzMcclcSs0o2 -Credit to TMC since I deleted my pictures :- Some of my observations: 1. Extra cable that is waiting to be plugged in on the left side the same cable is on the other side of the Nvidia board. This car has EAP not FSD maybe FSD has a different board? 2. Right side of board there are 3 new connections on a separate PCB that is non-existent on AP2 cars. The bottom row of connections has been moved around. 3. Label on top of unit now says M05 instead of M00 minor modifications to fan shroud. No longer says 2.0 4. Bottom Cover label changed and PNs a. 2.5: P1134173-00-F:Rev01 b. 2.0: P1078321-60-C:Rev01 5. MCU is dated 03 18 PN:1450737-00-B 6. Upon opening the unit we now have 3 GPU s instead of 2 7. Moved to the GP106-510-KC from the GP106-505-KC 8. Moved from 6GB to 8GB a. https: www.skhynix.com products.view.do?vseq=2304& cseq=81 9. Parker SOC now labeled as PFTW90.S4P TA795SA-A2 from P94W97.01P TA795SA-A2 10. Left side of board his different connectors arrangement 11. Going from left to right we have the following: a. GPS Antenna b. Rear camera c. Missing – on the M3 this is the selfie cam interesting its missing on MS d. Front main camera e. Repeater f. B-Pillar cams g. Fish Eye and Narrow cameras | MaxKW | 2018-03-15 00:29:53 | 49 | dvpsjzh | Thanks for the teardown! > This car has EAP not FSD maybe FSD has a different board? Tesla has made it clear all cars have the hardware needed for FSD so there are no FSD boards. | beastpilot | 2018-03-15 00:35:08 | 16 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
85ehyw | AP 2018.10.4 Confirmed - ONLY uses wide angle camera and radar!! | I just did an informal test today of the 2018.10.4 AP update by covering all the cameras except the rear camera and the front main camera (center) and observed in multiple tests that there was NO change to AP behavior we are all seeing in this update. So this establishes some potentially interesting theories: 1. The HD maps that are read dynamically by AP and discovered by verygreen on the TMC forums some time back must somehow be used by the updated NN to establish the better performance in curves we are seeing. Those maps showed braking and acceleration zones into and out of curves off ramps on ramps cloverleafs etc. 2. The NN + front camera are doing all the work of keeping the car in the lines even on curves (i.e. not using HD maps). 3. The other cameras will come on line when more features become live in the software (but are likely running in shadow mode) like reading speed limit signs traffic lights stop signs etc. 4. The other cameras will factor heavily in the edge cases that the lidar fanboys on this forum continue to point out (I.e. roundabouts construction zones sketchy roads roads without lines intersections etc.). All of these edge cases will likely require FSD and never be addressed in EAP. I am really hoping this means when we get the new 8.2 9.0 whatever the next major release is that we will get some major new features like sign reading and on-ramp off-ramp features!! EDIT: As several people have correctly pointed out the Main camera is NOT the wide angle camera. My BAD! EDIT2: Here s a guy that went in a totally different direction then I did with REALLY interesting results: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=1_fSlUf_NXg | Teslaorvette | 2018-03-18 21:52:16 | 157 | dvwv1gl | NNs don t use maps. NNs are used purely for vision detection only. All the control logic is outside of NNs. It looks like the other cameras are also used for light detection (i.e. to see when it s dark outside) | greentheonly | 2018-03-18 22:30:32 | 57 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
c95oyi | AP Fail - close call on the highway | I was cruising down a divided highway in the left lane. You will see the white vehicle hop in front of me at the 4 second mark. AP reacts beautifully (no jamming on the brakes). At the 16 second mark you will see their brake lights turn on and rapidly slow down. AP failed to brake for a solid 4 seconds before I engaged the brakes. ABS kicked in for a couple seconds. It may not look it but it was a close call! Been using AP for over 8 months and **never** had this happen before. Normally very reliable if not overly cautious. Just recently updated to 2019.20.2.1 a week or two before this event. See @ half speed from the 35 second mark to more clearly see how the car failed to stop before I intervened. I did a bug report but who knows if anyone looks at it... & #x200B video: [https: youtu.be zJGC9ZpASlI](https: youtu.be zJGC9ZpASlI) | ibelieve2020 | 2019-07-04 18:06:06 | 13 | estxhwu | Ask for a service call instead. Bug reports is a trash can in Fremont somewhere. They ll ask for that video which should have a time stamp. Find out why autobraking didn t work. Lots of false braking mine will brake hard on curves on the interstate during rush hour from cars perfectly safe in their lane. AP things they are in front of me. AP is a flaky system and Tesla is constantly changing it. | EaglesPDX | 2019-07-04 21:12:56 | 7 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
935uhk | AP Feature request: count any interaction with the car as a touch | If I m adjusting the speed adjusting following distance performing a lane change or interacting with the MCU count those as touches towards the nag timer. Pretty sure that all of those interactions with the car are indicative of paying attention. | Electric_Luv | 2018-07-30 17:02:05 | 14 | e3asyde | MCU shouldn t count because that doesn t mean you are looking st the road and could be passenger. | mechrock | 2018-07-30 17:08:37 | 28 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
62gk4o | AP HW2 vs AP HW1 - What s still missing? | I m just keeping tabs on HW1 vs HW2 parity. As far as I know here s what HW2 is still missing: - HW1 has a maximum set speed of 90 mph. HW2 is limited to 80 mph. - HW1 supports automatic headlights and high beam switching. - HW1 supports rain-sensing wipers. - HW1 supports perpendicular parking. - HW1 supports automatic emergency braking. Am I missing anything else? I m excited to see HW2 reaching HW1 parity because the only direction to go from there is forward! EDIT: Added perpendicular parking to the list. EDIT2: Added AEB FINAL: u Byshop303 has a much better accounting of this. [Here s his link.](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1FGexNNm8rOXB24qQ1bdIWtVhdPVhPign6F28ZrI1pqM edit#gid=0) | majesticjg | 2017-03-30 20:25:12 | 31 | dfmdvqe | I am guessing the automatic headlights and rain sensors was built into MobileEye or had sensors removed from AP2 cars. They are fully relying on their own software and I am guessing it is a low priority item right now. | slingxshot | 2017-03-30 20:42:02 | 19 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
dbr1dz | AP Issues after updating to v10 | 2019 P3D FSD (for reference) AP on my commute worked flawlessly prior to updating to v10 but I m seeing some really erratic behavior such as the car hard braking as soon as AP is engaged or jerking hard to the right (which would completely run me off the road if I didn t have hands on the wheel). All of these issues are happening in broad daylight on a brand new stretch of Highway with minimal cars and I ve been driving it every day for weeks. This evening I tried auto lane changing to the left lane and as soon as I engaged the stalk the car jerked hard to the right for no apparent reason and the car told me to take control. It doesn t seem to jerk to the left ever. Often I see the car start to sway back and forth in the lane and then it will pull hard to the right. Here are a couple of quick videos of what I m talking about: https: imgur.com a H6RnhYo I also randomly get the message that others have seen about certain AP features not being available etc. I know bugs are to be expected so none of this is complaining. I just wanted to ask if others were seeing similar issues after updating before I try to get support from Tesla to see if this is some kind of hardware issue. Thanks everyone! | liquid-snek | 2019-10-01 09:51:37 | 86 | f23itrg | That is definitely not normal. Does your car seem to have proper alignment? (Car stays straight when not on autopilot and no hands on wheel?) You may want to make an appointment in the app and attach these videos. Also include recent time stamps of it happening if you can. | Ihaveamodel3 | 2019-10-01 10:49:11 | 28 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
eaujsv | AP Mimicking Behavior of Driver in Front | Has anyone experience AP mimicking the bad driving behavior of the car in front of it? Am I correct in assuming that AP is simply mimicking the speed of the car in front without any additional logic? We have all heard of the stories of AP hard breaking which causes tailgaters to rear end Tesla s but in my experience I am actually more concerned about the driver in **front** of me tailgating the car in front of them. AP appears to imitate the tailgater s erratic behavior causing constant hard breaking. This is not only an uncomfortable experience but a terrifying one. So much so that I have to turn off auto pilot for the majority of my commute. In the ideal scenario AP would “learn” that the driver in front is constantly and drastically fluctuating their speed and determine that it needs to maintain a further driving distance and come to a smooth slow down when the car inevitably breaks in front of me. To combat this I have attempted to set the furthest driving distance but AP mimics their behavior just at a further distance. This puts me in even more danger situation because the car behind me is not expecting me to hard break given that I have a 7 car distance. Have you guys experienced similar issues? If so have you found any settings that remedy the issue and is Tesla aware of the issue? For full disclosure: I have an unreasonably low tolerance for cars in front of me tailgating and often give them “too much” room so I can roll to a smooth stop. It s possible that AP simply doesn t emulate my driving behavior (nor should I expected it to) rather than an issue with the software itself. | MichealKeaton | 2019-12-15 04:38:53 | 45 | faxm9v1 | I have 7 car distance set and it hasn t helped....very jerky if guy in front is very jerky | DWAY22 | 2019-12-15 05:00:42 | 30 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
puzucm | AP Software Engineer: Some Cars Will Get Button Tonight Biggest Rollout Tomorrow Afternoon Plus Other Notes | 1. FSD 10.1 will have reverse function 2. It will not have summon as part of the vision stack 3. Determining one as a good driver includes maintain a good following distance and overall steady driving. Average speed above limit tolerance will be about 5-7 mph. 4. Expecting HW4 to be a free upgrade for all FSD purchaser(this is his speculation). [Tweets with replies by Amin A. (@armanthehacker) Twitter](https: twitter.com armanthehacker with_replies) | Singuy888 | 2021-09-25 04:43:46 | 93 | he6wtul | This guy does not work for Tesla get out of here with this BS. Just look at his old tweets it s very obvious he s just larping. | modeless | 2021-09-25 06:32:28 | 107 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9ef3cf | AP and TACC disabled | Hello I was driving yesterday using AP. It s been flawless since pick up. I was on the highway when the alarm chime sounded and I took control of the car. No issues at all. I never felt like I lost control. Since then neither AP nor TACC has worked. I called Tesla. We went through steps to reset the car (hold down two scroll buttons + brake pedal). I still have the error on the screen. Tesla told me to drive it some more and it ll possibly reset then. I let the car sit overnight and took a 50 mile trip. Still not working. Anyone else had or have this problem? This is a Model 3 with 700 miles. Thanks! https: i.imgur.com MKQ0nCb.jpg | bigmucusplug | 2018-09-09 18:11:07 | 13 | e5olel6 | I had a similar issue. Pulled over and cleaned the sensors on the front and rear bumper and after a reboot error went away. | j-badger | 2018-09-09 20:10:21 | 15 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
k68ezz | AP behaves better in a Model Y than Model 3 - specifically less phantom braking | **I discovered today that something about the Model 3 itself (shape camera or sensor positions?) makes it more prone to phantom braking than the Model Y.** This surprised me because I never thought there would be any difference in AP performance between different models all other things being equal. I think this is pretty interesting here s how I found out. There s a couple of spots on the highway near me where my 2018 M3 would ALWAYS phantom brake when on AP - every time consistently over two years and a lot of driving. Service told me it was just the state of the software so I got used to just slightly pressing the accelerator in those spots and hoping it would get fixed eventually. An upgrade from HW2.5 to 3 mid-ownership and many software updates changed nothing. When I got my Y in September I was pleased to find that it didn t phantom brake in those same two spots EVER. Good news! At that point I figured there was actually probably something wrong with my M3 (misaligned camera mis-calibration?) but whatever just glad the issue was sorted. Today I got a loaner M3 and was surprised to find it has the exact same issue with phantom braking as my original M3 - it brakes suddenly in those exact same spots! I wasn t even ready with the accelerator override trick. So based on my ultra-scientific research I d say Model Y = less phantom braking. Strange and surprising to me. | richyrich9 | 2020-12-03 22:59:24 | 17 | gejh9nr | You know you might be on to something. I get an infuriating amount of phantom braking in my 3 while my brother gets very little in his Y. I chalked it up to be my longer commute on different freeways but it always seemed strange to me that he hardly ever mentions phantom braking. I ve been waiting for almost a year for a solid AP firmware without much phantom braking. The last good one was 2020.4 and 2020.8 at the beginning of the year. | RareRibeye | 2020-12-03 23:18:33 | 12 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6tjkac | AP behaviour significantly different in Canada vs US - my experience on 2017.28 c528869 firmware | edit: just read my title and realized it sounded way too much like a statement... just my experience that s all was hoping to get some comments feedback from other users. So after a trip from Toronto Ontario to Washington DC and back on the Model S (2017 AP2) I have noticed some significant differences between AP while in Ontario vs my drive through the States. After the latest firmware update I have found AP to be extremely shaky. Often the car will pingpong back and forth between the lane. The graphic shows the lane waving back and forth even though it s just a normal straight lane on a highway. This happens both at high speed (though not as frequent) and at low speed (does this all the time). Unfortunately as a result I had to go back to using just TACC everyday to work. I should probably try and film it next time. This issue certainly did not exist when I first picked up the vehicle. Also had a chance to drive an AP1 loaner which was smooth as hell as well. Twice the car have randomily (at least appears random to me) swerved out of the lane resulting in me having to yank it back. Swerving was very significant (not the same as just pingponging). If uncorrected the car would have gone straight into a wall divider assuming it stayed on the same course. One particular instance was very scary @ roughly [this](https: goo.gl maps nJMbFzESrbm) location on the QEW if i recall correctly - that or the next curve section. I was on the left most lane on that curve when the car suddenly swerved into the left. Having panicked (and therefore overreacted) I yanked the car to the right causing the car to lose grip in the front a little but thank god straightened all the while going ~ 110 to 120. There is construction on the left side (as you would know if you drive down the stretch of the QEW) but the car had no problem recognizing the lines before that part. The line markings were fine where it swerved so it s not like the line marking disappeared all the sudden. In contrast my drive in the US has been next to flawless. Autopilot almost the entire way to Washington DC and back. Only had twice where AP acted up where the line marking disappeared on the right side due to lane merging in. Otherwise regardless if it was straights or even large curves the car was indeed silky smooth . Even my wife admits the car drives better than her. We re not sure if it has something due with the lane marking or something? The lane marking in the US is definitely thicker than in Canada. My total trip one way was roughly around 12 hours because I took some very awkward roundabout path from Buffalo down the 90 -> 79 -> 76 -> 70 to DC because i wanted to stay on the interstate. I was half following abetterrouteplanner and half following my car s navigation which somehow ended up like this. Not sure what the total mileage for the trip was but around 2k between what we drove in DC and the roundabout trip. Anyways TL DR latest AP in Ontario swerves left and right but flawless in US Wondering if anyone else had similar experience. | esarl | 2017-08-14 02:29:50 | 15 | dll6oxs | Model X owner here. 2017 AP2. I currently live in Windsor and work in Detroit so I get to drive on both sides of the border every single day. Unfortunately I cannot confirm your findings. Driving in Canada and the US are very similar and heavily dependent on the actual layout of the road markings. I found that there are too many variables in such a complex system as that it can be said AP is better in the US than in Canada . There is a certain bump on the 75 that if I take it just the right (wrong) way AP goes on the fritz and swerves me into the divider. However sometimes it doesn t and I think I can attribute it to the exact location in the lane. Last time I drove up to Montreal and back down AP behaved not much different than on a drive to Pittsburgh. However next time I m up there I ll keep an eye out and see what happens around the spot you mentioned. | MotorTesla | 2017-08-14 02:50:22 | 9 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
aw7dn3 | AP being given to 2019 orders | I got off the phone with Tesla and they started that if you ordered before the decrease in price and didnt purchase EAP you get AP for free...also told this does NOT apply to 2018 orders which really does not seem fair whatsoever. What is your take on this? I think if they are going to offer it to 2019 why wouldn t they offer to their reservation holders and early adopters. This just seems like reservation holders getting screwed once again. I know I m not due anything but it only seems fair if people who ordered in 2019 get it why wouldn t we who previously paid more. Edit: and people saying oh the tax credit was more. Yea it was. Snd today even with the tax credit at $3750 my car is still cheaper to buy today by $3 250 | tang_police | 2019-03-01 17:23:10 | 59 | ehkgn09 | If this doesn t get resolved this will be my last Telsa. No more Model Y. I ll check out Volvo or something. One of the main draws to Tesla for me was I wanted to shake that scummy feeling dealerships always gave me. This is no better. Tesla told me last year when I bought my Model 3 that I needed to hurry up and order while the 7500 rebate is still active because the model 3 would be MORE expensive this year. It was a total lie. They keep dropping the price destroying our resale value and making those of us that bought early look like total suckers. I DARE them to try and take Model Y pre orders after the Model 3 reservation holders got crapped on so badly. Edit: What we are asking for literally cost Tesla nothing. The car has Autopilot hardware in it and I have no activated it. I will never ever activate it under these circumstances either. Knowing some got it for free? Knowing some got to pay 3k but I was only offered a 5k version? Etc.. They can active it and make us happy customers or leave it turned off and let us burn in our anger. But they aren t doing themselves any favors. If they want to offer it as a one time 1k or 2k price for us 2018 people I would even give them my money for that. But to tell me it s 4k to add AP now or bust.. While my car just lost 2k in value is stupid. This totally ruins the experience for me. I will not recommend them to anyone. | dinozero | 2019-03-01 17:48:58 | 40 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
byp5bq | AP braking causing many middle fingers to be deployed in my direction. | I have recently become more aware of cases where AP applies the brakes in ways that alarm me and also piss off other drivers especially for lane changes. Is this a regression? When NoA is engaged I frequently find that lane changes especially after passing a slower car result in the system getting ahead of the passed car but then when it starts to change back into the non-passing lane decides it does not have enough clearance to move in front of the car it just passed then hits the brakes in order to undo the pass and get back behind the slower car. I had noticed this in some cases after the early-spring AP update and it made NoA unusable except in very light traffic. I tried again after recent update and it seems even worse now. Is this just my imagination? I also think the collision avoidance alert is much more sensitive than it used to be. I am getting false-positive alerts in many cases where it s way too early. I think there s a sensitivity setting I can adjust but don t want to set it too low because there are definitely cases where it has helped me avoid an abrupt stop. Most just curious if others have noticed this. Thanks! | tomharrisonjr | 2019-06-09 21:08:23 | 32 | eqk4faj | I always keep my foot over the accelerator and override the slow down when necessary. Doesn t disengage AP. They definitely need to work on it but forcing it to speed up works for me. | tezzler83 | 2019-06-09 21:33:11 | 44 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6v0vt3 | AP camera dashcam functionality apparently in the works | I frequent the Roadster section of the TMC forums and apparently there was a [weekend social for Roadster owners](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads private-owners-reception-at-tesla-monterey-19aug2017.96543 ) recently where Franz casually dropped a tip that AP equipped S and X s will get dashcam functionality out of the front cameras at some point. | Casey_S | 2017-08-21 05:17:45 | 100 | dlwwzgl | other things that may happen at some point with varying probability: * ~~Duke Nukem Forever~~ * ~~Cubs win the World Series~~ * Peace in the Middle East * Humans on Mars * AP2 automatic wipers * new Roadster delivered to customers on-time and on-budget | run-the-joules | 2017-08-21 06:03:39 | 73 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
6l4goo | AP driver awareness ambassadorship - a bystander story | Had the pleasure of following a beautiful white ap2 model s on the I-5 today. For 10 minutes I enjoyed seeing the precise lane centering and pacing cars in front of it. A truly beautiful car in motion. It became clear the driver and passenger were enjoying the benefits of autopilot on a very straight moderately flowing freeway. Then two things happened that made me think about autopilot driving in a way I haven t heard anyone discuss. 1st the Tesla moved into the left passing lane to overtake a semi. It was moving slightly faster than the semi but slower than left lane traffic.. After clearing the truck it stayed left as traffic piled up behind. The right lane was clear so occasionally a car would cut over pass and pull back in front of the Tesla... The AP would obligingly back off.. Causing the left to back up more. At some point traffic changed and another semi in the right lane picked up the pace and was going the same speed beside the Tesla. Tesla had a clear path in the left lane but was at it s set speed and sat near the back third of the semi steady as a rock.. In it s lane. But preventing anyone from getting past.. Car and driver were perfectly safe but apparently oblivious to the backlog. A few cars trying to get past cut between us and the Tesla at uncomfortable ranges but of course got no further.. my father in law who was driving was obviously frustrated which killed my conversation up to that point trying to tell him all the cool factor about Tesla. Then the second thing happened... The Tesla slowed inconspicuously... Not enough to trigger the brake lights but dropping maybe 15 to 20 mph the first following car pulled to the right and went around him... As the semi pulled away... The second car right in front of us braked hard and pulled into the right lane leaving us coming up fast and unexpected on the Tesla we d been pacing at reasonable speed for a while.. after a moment of panic and words...we pulled around him and left him behind still talking to his passenger... Can t just slow down like that was the last of my in-laws observations. I abandoned the sales pitch. I don t know why they slowed we had just gone under an underpass.. was it an AP phantom or the driver or radar UFO protocol... The road was definitely clear in front of him.. I m not even sure the driver noticed. As Tesla enthusiasts I think we need to more actively encourage Autopilot driver awareness of the things AP isn t watching it good at like our effect on traffic or lane choice.. it s still up to us to be the human component that understands the other humans. We need to use it responsibly as ambassadors for a controversial technology. AP sells itself to anyone in the car.. But I never thought about it turning off people in surrounding cars to Tesla because when Tesla owners are less active in driving AP can be very inhuman and annoying to others in the road.. And it just doesn t care. Tldr: As Enthusiasts and ambassadors if we are enjoying a laid back AP ride try to stay out of the impatient hurry up lane. It ll help sell Teslas and not incite dangerous human driving. | Eazz_Madpath | 2017-07-04 02:54:56 | 24 | djr1lnp | Sounds like less of an AP issue and more of an inconsiderate driver issue. There s a special place in hell for people who drive slow in the left lane. | heapercreaper | 2017-07-04 03:00:27 | 37 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
4sk7vf | AP glitch reporting | Is there any quick way to reports glitches or error that might occur in AP? It would be great to help out and improve performance | yspreddit | 2016-07-13 00:08:55 | 11 | d59xsnv | Press voice button and say report a bug | IwantaModel3 | 2016-07-13 00:13:18 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
cfd44b | AP in Europe on my Model 3 is terrible. | So I had my Tesla for the last 2 weeks and have been commuting to Brussels daily. I have tried to use the regular AP for the most part of my route (lots of start stop traffic-easy 2 lane traffic for the most part). But I just don t want to use it anymore except in heavy traffic. It is stressing me out a lot as even with the regular adaptive cruise control the breaking can be very agressive. If someone with a bike is driving on the bike strip the car almost always phantom breaks. When a car is taking a turn it breaks overly agressive. The car also sways aggressively to a position in the lane when AP is activated on the highway. I had test driven a BMW 5 series with lane assist and traffic assistance etc and honestly was a much better experience than what I have now in my Tesla. Much smoother and calmer. The way it is currently it is just not acceptable to the point I can no longer advise my friends to go for Tesla. My girlfriend became sick during our last trip when I used AP. I hope they release an update soon I was hoping it would relieve me of the daily commute stress but instead it is doing the opposite. Any Europeans experiencing the same issues? Or do Americans have these issues as well? I heard that it is somehow related to regulations in place here. | Panzera | 2019-07-19 21:01:36 | 14 | eu935no | Nope I m from Europe and I use AP all the time and it works great for me. On tight turns with city roads it does break but not on highways where AP is supposed to be used. I don t believe a BMW comes anywhere close to what a Tesla can do. | Teslaninja | 2019-07-19 21:09:59 | 18 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
a86hej | AP on 2018.48 is amazing | This is literally the first time I felt like my car can actually drive itself. It yields to lane changers smoothly curves (and I think it banks very slightly?) smoothly accelerates to speed instead of slamming on the pedal preemptively eases into braking confidently changes lanes sees lane splitting cyclists and probably much more. This was a bigger shift to the end user than v8 to v9. Edit: Apparently I have no idea what banking means. I meant that the car seems to do curves better by finding a better turn-in entry point and exit point within the lane instead of desperately and very unnaturally trying to stay in the exact center. | Jsussuhshs | 2018-12-21 04:52:04 | 81 | ec8cont | I am not easy with superlatives for whatever that s worth to you. I still enabled Autopilot and FSD even though I didn t feel autopilot was really up to the task. That being said Holy crap I cannot believe how they snuck a massive autopilot improvement into the “Fart app” update. I had recently updated like 3 days prior and taken the vehicle out in hopes of seeing a difference in behavior. Nothing had changed. Then this new update took me by surprise I take the car out for a journey to Costco and am absolutely floored with its ability to center in a two lane road and yes BANK and take the optimal path for driver comfort. I always felt it was too close to the yellow line for driving and waaaay too close to the whichever side the curve went. This update even with “2.5” hardware made me really hopeful and optimistic about full self driving. I didn t really enjoy my Navigate on autopilot experience too much before but I am looking forward to trying it again now with this one. | areyoukidding15 | 2018-12-21 05:05:33 | 44 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
cbio4r | AP starts tracking car in adjacent lane and breaks will not pass them | I ve started seeing an issue in the past few weeks where AP will track a car not in my lane and will break and refuse to pass the car. Twice it has been when the car was ahead of me and then took an exit ramp it would track the car for much longer than it used to and slow way down. Otherwise I have had around a half a dozen times in the past week where it has just randomly started tracking a car in a lane next to me and hit the breaks hard and refused to pass them. It highlights the car like normal when tracking a vehicle. Every time it s happened there s been no car in the lane ahead of me and the car next to me has not been changing lanes. Has anyone else had this happen? I ve been using AP less and less since it s been becoming more of an issue. | justice_itself | 2019-07-10 16:11:17 | 40 | etg2ft2 | Given the increasing (possibly contagious) confusion around here regarding the difference between the work break (as in to stop working to shatter into pieces etc. ) versus brake (as in a device to slow a vehicle down) would it be worthwhile to create a bot that posts the correct meaning of the words once in a while in the comments? I m sorry if I sound a bit pedantic here but honestly the replacement of brake with break is really confusing and irritating to me. Given that this is a car sub surely we can get at least these words correct? \\end{rant} | catchblue22 | 2019-07-10 18:14:50 | 46 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
p0ju9f | AP steering wheel tolerance changed with latest update? | anyone else noticed the change in tolerance to auto-pilot when asking you to touch the wheel? prior to the last update finger on the wheel was enough now i get barked at. | hah1 | 2021-08-08 18:18:18 | 53 | h878b0v | The nag increases in frequency depending on detected attention from the cabin camera | tp1996 | 2021-08-08 19:13:54 | 50 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
c32klh | AP took evasive maneuver when collision risk emanated from the REAR - while under manual control | This morning AP literally saved my car s ass. & #x200B I was manually driving on the 78 freeway westbound toward the 5. I was in the middle lane fully attentive with the intention of changing to the leftmost lane. The left lane was open and clear and steady. I signaled - with the full understanding that signaling doesn t mean I can go - waited 2 seconds and then I began my maneuver while maintaining eyes on the left lane to ensure it remains open. Suddenly AP forcefully steered me back into the middle lane. Of course a split second later another car speed past me on the left side he must be going like 90 mph. Apparently he speeds up from behind me changed lane and tried to squeeze in between my car and another car in the left lane. Crazy jerk. & #x200B The interesting thing isn t the incident but the fact that AP saw the threat from BEHIND the car and took evasive action. Super interesting. Had I not been in the TM3 that would have been at least a minor fender bender. Side left-side-repeater camera showed that we were just inches apart. | inspron2 | 2019-06-20 22:30:39 | 145 | eroce2w | Post the video for us. | l_eveant_terrible | 2019-06-20 23:59:26 | 58 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
di9v5z | AP vs EAP vs FSD | I find myself a bit confused by the various levels. I have an Model 3 SR+ with a Partial Premium interior. When I look on the Tesla site my car is listed as having Autopilot . The only upgrade option I have is $6000 for FSD. Where does EAP fit into this picture? What does EAP have that AP does not? Is there an upgrade path to EAP? | cryptoengineer | 2019-10-15 15:54:59 | 19 | f3u8orm | EAP is no longer available. Now all cars come with AP and have an option to purchase FSD. What EAP used to have that has now been moved to FSD: Auto lane change - press blinker for car to move over one lane Navigate on Autopilot (NoA) - car will go around slower vehicles on the highway will follow your route take exits change highways etc Autopark - parallel park itself or park between two vehicles Summon - go forward back and now go to a location or come to you in a parking lot. What EAP did not have (was always FSD and still FSD) - detect traffic lights stop signs take turns in the city. | Eldanon | 2019-10-15 16:00:04 | 19 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
c0nthh | AP-Sentry glitch (might be useful) | Long story short: I m in a middle of a pretty long road trip right now and yesterday after I left home the AP (and cruise control) suddenly stopped working. I got a message Cruise is not available and blank space instead of icons of cruise and steering. Tried to reboot park and shut the vehicle nothing helped. So I called a SC and they confirmed that there is a glitch with Sentry that is affecting AP part of software for some reason. They are looking into finding a solution and releasing an update asap. *Temp. Solution: If you got that issue turn off Sentry and **put out the USB drive**. Park the vehicle. Reboot. Then let it sleep (hibernate basically just walk away for ~30 minutes let it close the doors and “sleep”). It should recover AP features. * I m on 2019.20.1 not sure if there is the same kind of glitch is actual for earlier firmware versions. It s not a big deal for sure the car is drivable but man I really forgot how it is annoying to drive on a highway for long. | misteriousm | 2019-06-14 18:54:27 | 14 | er6317l | For me at least simply turning off Sentry Mode and walking away from the car for long enough for it to power off is enough to reset it. This was after trying many variations of reboots and powering down. Wish there was a direct way to tell the car to power down and back on again. | g-con | 2019-06-14 19:01:04 | 8 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
6k3p5p | AP1 17.24.28 is silky smooth | Got the update three days ago. Elon was right about the longitudinal improvement. Stop and go braking in traffic is smooth almost like a normal non-aggressive human driver. There s still work to do but clearly someone added a program for a smoother braking calculus. It even creeps in to close the distance not just stop slamming on a fixed distance constant. Could this implementation have been from Lattner? | Derfein | 2017-06-28 21:18:56 | 43 | djj3kzv | > Could this implementation have been from Lattner? I would assume his involvement impact came from a high-level architecture type of view rather than fine-tuning of specific algorithms like this. Though as someone leading the program he certainly deserves credit for advances that happened under his watch. | LouBrown | 2017-06-28 21:39:39 | 13 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6xhaie | AP1 Included In Certain 2014 CPOs & Not Listed! | Hey guys Wanted to share some interesting news I discovered yesterday per a helpful employee at Tesla. She informed me that certain 2014 Model S vehicles with VIN starting with P5 include enabled autopilot despite not being listed as a feature on Tesla Inventory Search. Hope this helps those of you looking for a great deal on a used Tesla but want AP as well! | eskimobroski | 2017-09-01 20:38:04 | 20 | dmfxv62 | To be clear. I have a 2014. I had the hardware before it was announced (nice surprise). My vin has a ...P5XXXX | wiscon-R | 2017-09-01 21:16:41 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6nth7x | AP1 auto reduce speed is awesome | So i recently got an update to 17.26.76 from 17.14.23 and now the AP will reduce the speed to match the speed limits in almost any road except Highway. I found this feature awesome specially in places that are packed with speed cameras no need to reduce speed and be paying attention all the time to the speed signs. The only thing that is annoying is that sometimes the speed is reduced using the GPS information the road is limited to 80km h but the car thinks it is 70 or 90. Overall im happier than even with this change. Many of you might find it annoying though. | jonas_man | 2017-07-17 14:41:18 | 15 | dkc1ww8 | Wait until it accidentally reduces your speed to 25mph on the highway. You won t think it s so awesome then. | EOMIS | 2017-07-17 14:54:09 | 11 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
bjayy0 | AP1 cars update! | If you were stuck on 2018.50.6. Just wait you will get an update. I will report back once it s done updating. I will also take pictures for proof and to show what it says on the update page. http: imgur.com a nweyaBe | rcnfive | 2019-05-01 00:35:43 | 22 | em6pot1 | 2014 PreAP model s here just got the update and downloading now | DMGUp | 2019-05-01 00:38:30 | 14 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
c4gv6b | AP1 improvements - 2019.20.2.1 | Hi - so received the update last night for my MS 85D and today drove 350 miles to the beach. Noticing a few tweaks that have improved AP1 a bit. First is the when there is a truck or car next to you hugging the line and the sonar symbols got yellow my car would move over in the lane to add some distance. First time I ve seen it do this consistently every time. Second - lane changes with AP1 on seem to be much quicker now and more abrupt. Very nice. | mhoepfin | 2019-06-24 02:10:41 | 40 | erwhwsz | I was also able to briefly charge at 128 kW on my P85. I had never seen it go over 117 previously | BlargyMcBlargFace | 2019-06-24 02:41:58 | 10 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6jftvx | AP1 improvements with 17.24.28 update | A few changes I ve noticed with the 17.24.28 update for AP1 cars: * Autopilot will now allow you to set max speed 5mph higher than speed limit in town (ie. If speed limit 25mph you can set to 30mph). Previously you could only set it to the speed limit. * Hidden Easter egg menu with all current Easter eggs (more cowbell Mars navigation and sketch pad) * Faster UI (?) * radar vision seems improved Anyone else notice any other improvements? | allhands | 2017-06-25 18:20:18 | 21 | djdy8uu | I noticed that the autopilot will no longer operate at highway speeds if you re on a divided highway that isn t an interstate. I went from using it for 65-75 on divided state highways to being stuck at 5 over after the update. Not a good change. | LaCanner | 2017-06-25 19:00:22 | 7 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
i8446c | AP1 on a 2014 Model S? And unlimited Supercharging? | So I just ordered a 2014 Model S w 76k miles on Carvana. It has the little square sensor in the front grill. I made sure of that before I bought it. Since it has the hardware.. Does that mean it has the software or capability to use AP1? Also since it s a 2014 does it automatically have unlimited Supercharging? TIA P.S. I am ridiculously excited to join the Tesla club! I ve been wanting one since they came out. | Dirtbk80cc | 2020-08-12 00:57:57 | 18 | g165ed9 | Wouldn t that be questions for the seller rather than for reddit? But yes if it has the hardware it has AP1 capability and unlimited supercharging that stays with the car forever. Welcome to the flock! | 1-1-2-1-RED-BLACK-GO | 2020-08-12 01:55:52 | 12 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5pawpj | AP1 phantom collision detection | I was on the 407 on Thursday going west right before the Markham exit is a underpass. As my Model S was approaching the underpass in auto pilot it detected a phantom car ahead and slowed down then it started beeping and highlighted the phantom car in red as it was expecting a collision and slammed the brakes. There were no cars behind or in front but the incident could have possibly caused an accident if someone was right behind me. Anyone else experience anything similar ? | lenovoguy | 2017-01-21 14:44:12 | 24 | dcpscfy | Did you report it to Tesla? | mafen | 2017-01-21 15:47:40 | 17 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
75a8vx | AP1 vs AP2 comparison | Have been reading lots of agony about AP2 and was extremely curious how it would hold up. Then opportunity arose: Owned a 2015 AP1 Model S (P90DL). 25k+ miles and extensive AP1 usage then totaled by an idiot in July. Replaced with a 2017 AP2 Model S (P100DL) in September just took it on a 5 000 mile road trip. I can provide some OS versions but in brief there are multiple and both cars kept current over both time periods. * *AP2 appears substantially better in some circumstances worse in others.* * In any conditions both autopilots would sometimes generate bizarre inexplicable steering inputs that would be frightening to passengers and potentially deadly without proper driver supervision. *AP2 seemed more likely to do this in some conditions less likely in others.* * I found current AP2 usable enough for me as an AP1 replacement for a 5 000 mile drive including across many types of roads and at high speeds (80mph speed limits) * Better: * AP1 would *reliably* wig out and swerve at the crests of hills AP2 *never* does this * AP2 seems to look further down the road and make sense of some turn-in turn-out lane markings better than AP1 * AP2 changes lanes more decisively and accurately than AP1 (though neither system reliably knew when it could) * Worse: * AP2 has trouble with some types of lane markings while AP1 was rock solid across a wider variety. I think this explains why some folks hate AP2 especially in Canada or certain parts of the US: it would come down to your frequently used roads * E.g. AP2 performed poorly on LA Freeways (lanes marked with black-white-black dashes triple lines at HOV boundaries) seeming to continuously wobble where it decided the lane boundaries were (and thus wobbly steering inputs) and also more likely to fail altogether * 100% traditional markings meanwhile produced consistently great results on AP2 * AP2 seems more sensitive to road marking quality as well as type and more apt to wander and wobble the steering when conditions are poor * AP2 performs worse when jolted by bumps and uneven road surfaces and more likely to lose the road without supervision when jolted * AP2 seems much less apt to follow the car in front choosing instead to rely on lines leading to less accurate steering when stopped or in very slow traffic if set to follow closely (when lines are obscured). Only *once* did I see the car in front of me light up blue vs. this being the norm in AP1. Overall performance in traffic (the absolute best application of the current technology IMO) was still OK. * Stuttery false-alarm braking when encountering other vehicles seems more common in AP2 than AP1 I didn t find this a major problem because the braking inputs are faint. Just interesting. My guess is that Tesla did not do as good a job as MobileEye in the diversity of road markings and conditions they used for neural network training. Overall I found AP2 *more* reliable than AP1 when roads (whether highways or local roads) were conventionally formatted well-maintained and well-marked. Meanwhile it was *much less* reliable in some conditions (any tweaks to USDOT standard road markings bad weather uneven road surfaces). As an aside for both systems I find myself wondering if Tesla or anyone will be capable of teaching the system to recognize and avoid rocks and potholes. As a human driving on deteriorating US roads I find myself routinely making tiny steering adjustments (95% well within my lane) to avoid running the wheels over things that will flatten tires. Both autopilots will happily wreck the wheels. Even if the software could do it I wonder if the current sensor suite is even sensitive enough to manage it? Hope this is helpful. | BatteryParking | 2017-10-09 16:31:48 | 174 | do4nh0l | Thanks! I totally agree with your observations as someone who has around 15k miles on both AP1 and AP2. Overall I find AP2 more “correct” than AP1 in most scenarios though universally AP2 makes more sudden corrections and feels “swimmy”.... it definitely bothers some drivers and passengers though in terms of raw correctness (eg did it depart the lane or otherwise do anything unsafe) AP2 is quite good these days. The biggest exceptions in my experience: - AP2 cannot deal with “conflict lane lines” gracefully. For example double or triple lane lines like some HOV lanes or thick black grooves near a real lane line. I find this makes AP2 rapidly bounce between plausible sets of lane lines. - AP2 cannot handle intersections without lane markings. Instead of trusting the car in front AP2 can suddenly read an invalid lane line and suddenly steer in some direction. I just finished a 600 mile trip and found AP2 to be much more capable than AP1 in the ability to handle sharp mountain curves at 80+mph when AP1 would ve departed the lane above 60mph. | chillaban | 2017-10-09 17:24:20 | 28 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6nq5pl | AP1 vs AP2 observations | I m a 2017 Model S (AP2) owner who recently rented a 2016 Model X (AP1) through Turo when we went on vacation. I d like to get my wife out of her gas guzzler and into the X. So I put her behind the wheel of an X for a week hoping she d fall in love. On this point the rental was mostly successful woo-hoo! Anyway I also have thoughts on AP. I use AP2 all the time. 90% of my highway driving is AP2 which works well. I also do 50% of my non-highway driving w AP2 just for fun. Off highway AP2 doesn t work so well. I have a high risk tolerance a background in software testing and am happy to help train the car s software. I hit report bug several times per week. I ve bumped a few curbs :( but that s the price of progress I guess After driving an old AP1 car for about a week I wanted to share my observations. The TL DR is that AP1 is *much* better than my AP2 (sorry Elon). Hopefully they ll keep working on it and AP2 will eventually get better. What specifically did I observe in AP1 that s better than AP2? - AP1 can see 3 lanes of traffic. It shows my lane plus the two adjacent lanes. I only see my lane in AP2. - AP1 can tell when you re in the right-most or left-most lane. In these cases it correctly shows two lanes only (not three). While I didn t attempt it you probably can t accidentally drive off the highway with an erroneous turn signal when switching lanes. - AP1 shows vehicles in all three (or two) lanes. It uses the front facing camera only (side cameras are AP2 HW) and cars disappear as they pull alongside. Even though it has more cameras AP2 sees one lane and shows cars in that lane only. - AP1 can see the difference between cars trucks and motorcycles. I d never seen a truck or motorcycle on the display in AP2. It was a cool surprise. - AP1 is really smooth even off highway. There s no ping-ponging around the lane (like in AP2). My middle school daughter jokes that I m going to get pulled over for drunk driving on AP2 (off highway) Think we can convince the police officer that it was AP and not you driving so crazy? Can you get arrested for that? I joke that AP2 is like a near-sighted slightly inebriated teenage permit holder. My other daughter just got her driver s permit and she took offense I m not nearly that bad!!! Just to be clear both AP1 and AP2 work well on the highway. AP2 struggles off the highway when road configurations become more varied and lane markings less clear. Anyway I m a huge Tesla supporter and eagerly await AP2 improvements. I DO think that AP2 still has a long way to go to reach AP1-parity. (OK flame retardant suit on...) I think Elon has been prone to exaggeration on autonomous driving. He s talking about driving cross-country when AP2 still lags *last year s* MobileEye-based system. I suspect he may be able to do the x-country trip... if he picks the right parking lots on either end and the right superchargers in between and makes 500 attempts like the Paint it Black video around Palo Alto. This experience makes me wonder whether Tesla is actually better at autonomous driving or just better *talking* about it. Elon s great at pitching the future. If AP1 is still better than AP2 then does that mean the Intel MobileEye platform is better than Nvidia? Will other carmakers AP systems be better? I guess we ll see when they start launching and getting reviewed. The one thing that Tesla has going for it is risk-tolerance. They ll throw software out there get learnings feedback and make progress. Would be interested to hear other people s thoughts... | xmantipper | 2017-07-17 01:52:19 | 159 | dkbdohr | No flaming from this guy - I made similar observations on AP1 vs AP2. | Paladin32776 | 2017-07-17 02:05:23 | 62 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6kvzif | AP1 vs AP2 on a budget | So I really want a tesla. I want a model 3. But I m impatient. So I m looking at the used S xxD and wondering if I ll regret getting AP1. The autonomous features are something I m really interested. Probably my main reason for wanting the car. Should I just be patient? Could I sell in 3 or 4 years and get 3 or new S? Just want to discuss kinda... | cjbrigol | 2017-07-02 22:09:58 | 12 | djp7e35 | Patience young grasshopper. | wwwz | 2017-07-02 22:16:18 | 24 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8gupdo | AP2 EAP Auto Steering ALC etc | Does anyone have a good diagram flow chart or hierarchy that shows the relationships differences between auto pilot auto steer enhanced auto pilot auto lane change automatic emergency braking TACC etc? Is auto pilot the combination of auto steering and TACC? Is EAP just a better driving AP or is it AP plus more features? The way I see them talked about on forums seems like each commenter has different definitions for each. | bringing_not_back | 2018-05-03 23:15:16 | 14 | dyesm0b | As of right now with the Model 3: EAP = TACC + Autosteer. You can only use Autosteer when TACC is enabled but you can use TACC without Autosteer. Auto lane change is one of the capabilities of Autosteer (the others being staying in lane on a freeway and merging properly when two lanes merge into one). AEB is an emergency feature and is on even when you are not using EAP. I don t know about AP1 AP2. | 6p6ss6 | 2018-05-03 23:34:05 | 7 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6346oh | AP2 & road trip experience | Recently took a Model S 100D on an 800 mile road trip in a 24 hr period and wanted to share some thoughts after it. -We dislike the premium seats. The rear seats are terrible if you need to use car seats. Unless you have ultra-thin car seats they will sit crooked because of the hump on the side of the premium seats. Also regular car seats will be impacted by the slightly leaned forward head rests on the back seats. It makes it such that the seat will not sit flat against the seat and instead the top digs into the headrest. It can t be good for long term installations. Our kids complained about it quite a bit. Additionally they get hot sweaty if you re in the sun. Other features of the seats were great but these made us hate them. If you don t have kids and have great tint probably not an issue. -Part of our trip was on 8.0 while part was on 8.1...about 50 50. Overall 8.1 is a huge improvement in autosteer capabilities. It got a bit hairy at times on windy freeway roads...it s not ready for prime time in these areas yet. For slower curves or straight areas it s phenomenal. There were stretches where we drove on AP for over a hundred miles without having to do anything but turn on the blinker. Local autosteer is still not good in my opinion. I felt like I was babysitting it so much that it was more work than using TACC and manually steering. -TACC slows down on curves in addition to responding to traffic. On some of those winding freeway areas mentioned above I didn t trust autosteer due to issues on some of the first few turns. This seemed to work anywhere that autosteer was available. It s not something I had noticed before or ever heard about so I thought I d pass it on here. It was a huge help on the trip! -Slacker radio sucks. What s the deal with telling it to play an artist it playing 1 or 2 songs by that artist and then never playing the artist again? And no matter how many times we thumbed down John Mellencamp it continued to play songs by John Mellencamp. There were times we would skip through about 50 songs and it would cycle through the same 5-6 artists and never play our original requested artist. Somewhat minor annoyance but thought I d pass it on. -The supercharging destination charging network is fantastic. We charged at a hotel during the night (and also updated to 8.1 at this point) on a destination charger. The only other stops were at Superchargers. The few times we did use them the car was ready to continue on before we were done eating. -People in muscle cars really feel the need to rev their engines around the car. Not sure if de-badging would solve this but it got kinda annoying at times. I was happy just knowing that I could smoke their Mustang if I really wanted to with less pollution to the environment in the process. Overall this was by far the easiest 800 miles I ve ever driven. This is a frequent trip for us and I ve never arrived feeling so awake and with so much energy. This is certainly the car of the future and I cannot wait for the AP improvements to continue. Edit: added line spacing to make it easier to read on some formats. | split_horizons | 2017-04-03 03:02:21 | 21 | dfr8exp | I have to format this for anybody else having an issue reading this... ------------------- Recently took a Model S 100D on an 800 mile road trip in a 24 hr period and wanted to share some thoughts after it. **1) We dislike the premium seats.** The rear seats are terrible if you need to use car seats. Unless you have ultra-thin car seats they will sit crooked because of the hump on the side of the premium seats. Also regular car seats will be impacted by the slightly leaned forward head rests on the back seats. It makes it such that the seat will not sit flat against the seat and instead the top digs into the headrest. It can t be good for long term installations. Our kids complained about it quite a bit. Additionally they get hot sweaty if you re in the sun. Other features of the seats were great but these made us hate them. If you don t have kids and have great tint probably not an issue. **2) Part of our trip was on 8.0 while part was on 8.1...about 50 50. Overall 8.1 is a huge improvement in autosteer capabilities.** It got a bit hairy at times on windy freeway roads...it s not ready for prime time in these areas yet. For slower curves or straight areas it s phenomenal. There were stretches where we drove on AP for over a hundred miles without having to do anything but turn on the blinker. Local autosteer is still not good in my opinion. I felt like I was babysitting it so much that it was more work than using TACC and manually steering. **3) TACC slows down on curves in addition to responding to traffic.** On some of those winding freeway areas mentioned above I didn t trust autosteer due to issues on some of the first few turns. This seemed to work anywhere that autosteer was available. It s not something I had noticed before or ever heard about so I thought I d pass it on here. It was a huge help on the trip! **4) Slacker radio sucks.** What s the deal with telling it to play an artist it playing 1 or 2 songs by that artist and then never playing the artist again? And no matter how many times we thumbed down John Mellencamp it continued to play songs by John Mellencamp. There were times we would skip through about 50 songs and it would cycle through the same 5-6 artists and never play our original requested artist. Somewhat minor annoyance but thought I d pass it on. **5) The supercharging destination charging network is fantastic.** We charged at a hotel during the night (and also updated to 8.1 at this point) on a destination charger. The only other stops were at Superchargers. The few times we did use them the car was ready to continue on before we were done eating. **6) People in muscle cars really feel the need to rev their engines around the car.** Not sure if de-badging would solve this but it got kinda annoying at times. I was happy just knowing that I could smoke their Mustang if I really wanted to with less pollution to the environment in the process. Overall this was by far the easiest 800 miles I ve ever driven. This is a frequent trip for us and I ve never arrived feeling so awake and with so much energy. This is certainly the car of the future and I cannot wait for the AP improvements to continue. | asimo3089 | 2017-04-03 03:28:29 | 8 | Car seat configurations in Tesla |
8qezq8 | AP2 2018.21.9 - Mini-review. | It s been a really long time since I ve gotten one of these updates to review quickly enough after release for anyone to care. My last mini-review which I normally add to the software megathreads was back in December! Here are things I m looking at with AP2. **Bolded** items have changed or are of note since the previous version (2018.20 ad59ff9). -------------------------- 2018.21.9 75bdbc11 - **Lane changes.** Lane changes seem more slow and steady than before. - Trying to turn right toward off-ramps. - Ping ponging left and right within a consistent lane. - Hunting left and right when lanes change width or when lanes merge. - Hunting left and right when lane lines momentarily disappear. - **Hunting left and right when lane lines re-merge.** Car still centers itself in the lane giving the appearance to others like you re trying to block them when passing an on-ramp. - Hunting left and right when cresting hills. - Lane line confusion when driving over seams in road or discolorations in road surface. - Tracking car in front when no lane lines are present. - Driving through intersection stability. - **Handling large high speed interchange curves.** Regardless of what other s have experienced my car always slowed down for curves and interchanges only now what changes is the set cruise control speed instead of just the speed I m driving. So if I enter the interchange with CC set to 75mph it lowers the CC speed setting (to 55mph for example) then back up to 65mph or 70mph after leaving the interchange. I annoyingly have to re-increase my set CC speed back up to 75mph manually after every interchange. - Handling medium sized interchange curves. - **Handling tight interchange curves.** There s one really tight interchange on my test route and AP slows down FAR too much FAR too early to use it. Cars behind me started getting annoyed and passing aggressively so I turned off AP. - Hesitating when changing lanes on a curve towards a vehicle. - **Phantom braking for roadside or overhead signs.** Had one instance of AP slowing suddenly when driving under an overpass causing the car behind me to clearly become annoyed. Glad it wasn t following me close. Never really had this issue with any AP software before and never in this location. - Capable of showing two cars in front of you. - **Capable of showing cars in adjacent lanes.** We finally have this with AP2! There was one instance where I was able to look down at the binnacle and count 8 cars around me 2 in front and three on each side in each lane. It s nice to see this though it s not 100% reliable and accurate which is especially noticeable when stopped at a light with cars surrounding you. - Capable of showing different types of cars. - Capable of showing speed limit signs. - Stopped car detection. - Time waiting to accelerate from a stop. - No shuddering “jerky braking” at low speeds. - **Handling off ramps.** It now slows down drastically (down to 30mph from what I saw) from freeway speeds relying on you to come to a complete stop if there isn t someone in front of you on the off-ramp. As I wrote above it changes your set cruise control speed INSTEAD OF only changing your current driving speed. Advanced autopilot capabilities: - Handling freeway interchange decisions most specifically forks in the road. - Handling merges with vehicles along side car (slowing down or speeding up to fit). - Handling last second or close proximity merges. - Detecting and reacting to other vehicle turn signals during merges. - Completely automatic intelligent lane changing outside of interchanges. -------------------------- Notes: [As I ve posted before](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 87egfa 0_autopilot_disengagements_on_this_40mi_onramp_to ) I ve been able to do a few zero-disengagement full on-ramp to off-ramp autopilot trips managing only the follow distance or changing the CC speed. I think that most of the pieces for full on-ramp to off-ramp autopilot are there (excellent lane handling interchange curve and speed handling new open source maps) it s just a matter of connecting them together and adding a few bits of intelligence in regards to merging. Others have complained about increased steering wheel nags but it seems that my AP driving style doesn t trigger any. I see no change so I must have already been doing a good job of keeping my hand on the wheel? *shrugs* | humanwire | 2018-06-12 01:36:40 | 37 | e0ivlt1 | I really dislike the aggressive lane centering that came in 2018.12. It feels very unnerving for the car to swerve towards an off-ramp only to swerve back into the lane when realizes it s an off-ramp. Same with on-ramps. No human driver would ever try to center within the wide portion of an on ramp meant for merging. These two new behaviors need to be fixed soon in my opinion for me to have any sense of increased confidence in AP 2. EDIT: 2018.12 | ic6man | 2018-06-12 03:48:13 | 11 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5ppbsx | AP2 Experience Notes - 1 23 2017 | Wanted to take a moment and document some of the things I m noticing as I m getting a chance to try out AutoSteer and TACC. Also feel free to ask any questions and I ll do my best to answer or test things out. **Lane Stability**: Although the lines are still a bit wobbly autosteer appeared to be fairly smooth during regular conditions (no merging lanes proper lane markers etc) **Rain**: I have RainX on my windows so I normally don t use the wipers much but today there is an extremely fine mist so I wanted to test out how the cameras coped with diminished view The system had zero perceived degradation in performance - combination of sensors really shined here. I actually had to finally run my wipers just to clear my view personally! **Traffic**: I had the TACC on 2 in approx 10mph traffic which felt great. I got to experience cars merging in front of me several times. I noticed that cars merging in from the right weren t picked up very well and I had to override the car to slow it down. I don t believe the side sensors are fully operational yet as I have yet to see cars on my ~~HUD~~ Instrument cluster show up on the sides. However I also had one car merge over from the left and the car seemed to pick it up faster and slowed down appropriately to repace itself to 2. Cars leaving the lane in front of me were no problem! When I test drove an AP1 I noticed that a truck merging to another lane caused the Tesla to follow it and I had to course correct it. Today I noticed that the car appropriately followed the lanes tracking the cars in front of it and speeding up closing the gap nicely after the car left the lane. **Offramps**: Traveling in the right lane caused some issues for AP2 as the car seems to prefer following the right lane marker (or it thinks the lane is doubling in size and goes for the average middle). Every offramp regardless if the cars in front of me were still traveling straight AP2 would try to take the offramp and needed to be taken over. I was running navigation to work so right now there seems to be no connectivity between systems but we know that eventually EAP2 will be able to take the correct highway interchanges by communicating with the nav... so imagine this will be quickly corrected in future versions - but for now either stay in the middle lanes or expect to take over when an offramp is approaching. **Nagging**: Being new to Tesla I ve read a lot about the nagging. I actually found it very subtle and unobtrusive. The car would seem to check in every few minutes to make sure I was paying attention. It would start with a small notification box below the road on the HUD advising to put my hands on the wheel and about 5 seconds later it would flash a white border to get my attention. A quick couple of seconds on the wheel and it would go away. **Phantom Alerts**: I didn t notice any issues this morning but last night I was noticing a couple of red alert hard slow downs while in the right lane while nothing was around. I m not sure if it was picking up debris in the shoulder or what but something to keep an eye on. AP2 may be a little shaky in the open road looking for potential obstacles rather than following a car closely like this mornings scenario. I had a bunch of thoughts while driving so if I think of any more I ll be sure to edit. OH and the important stuff - rainbow road easter egg works as expected! :^) | nasell | 2017-01-23 15:20:14 | 35 | dcss8fl | I d just like to point out at a birds-eye view (and the obvious to us) that these are the first vehicles in relative mass production capable of full self-driving capability and everyone that is using it is literally building the infrastructure for the future. If that s not awesome I don t know what is. Keep learning AP you re going to be amazing! | 110110 | 2017-01-23 15:53:59 | 30 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
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