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bjx969 | Autopilot 2019.12.1.1 continues to improve from previous versions | I m a HEAVY autopilot user (99%+) of miles under all conditions. If I get the icon I immediately click it on. With that being said I am noticing nice improvements of 2019.12.1.1 on surface streets and other tight bends. I can almost see the NN for FSD before my very eyes. Adding stop sign yield sign and stop lights to the mix will be a major step forward since the lane keeping is already there. I still have a few problem zones where I feel that AP will curb my wheel on especially tight bends...seems to be a problem with the vector space rendering of reality and the car trying to put its geometry on non-drivable surfaces. | OompaOrangeFace | 2019-05-02 16:53:57 | 82 | emc0o75 | Are they going to add some elasticity at some point? On exits or when a car in front is slowing there s no need to slam on the brakes or regen when I m 5-7 car lengths back. It s especially noticable on off ramps when it drops 5mph at a time gradually but instead of a nice smooth slowdown it hits heavy regen. Coast a bit like damn | CryptoMaximalist | 2019-05-02 17:26:24 | 51 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5cm5cf | Autopilot AP 2.0 Self driving - a few questions from a current AP 1.0 user | One of the biggest issues I run into with AP1.0 is when the car is driving towards a setting or rising sun. It blinds the camera and it loses the lane markings quite easily. Will the new enhanced autopilot be able to improve on this? Or is this a permanent limitation of camera based systems? Will there be times with the new self driving hardware that the car is limited by this? What happens if you summon your car to get you and it has to drive directly into the sun? Will the extra cameras eliminate this problem? Also how would a self driving car deal with a flat tire in the middle of no where (with no human on board)? | CashForRedditGold | 2016-11-12 20:01:47 | 10 | d9xjty3 | I haven t had much trouble with this myself. Sometimes it gets wobbly but never too bad. In any case I imagine the redundant cameras and massively increased processing power will help. The cameras will get slightly different views and so will be able to avoid glare a bit and the extra processing power should be able to enable it to be more sophisticated about locating the lane markings. For the flat tire I imagine it would phone home (either to you or to Tesla) and someone would call a tow truck. Just like if you were in the car except the tow truck driver won t have anyone to talk to while he does his thing. I guess one question would be what happens if it gets a flat tire without cell coverage. Maybe it can pull over and put on the hazard lights start playing Hi I m a disabled autonomous car please call 1-800-AUTONOMOUS-FLAT-TIRE when you get to civilization and give them code CQ17E8 for a $50 reward! on the speakers until someone helps. Or it could use a satellite service like SPOT. If average usage is very rare then the per-car cost should be quite low. | mikeash | 2016-11-12 20:31:20 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
e585v2 | Autopilot Acting Drunk Around Semi Trucks | The new “lane placement enhancements” of V10 seem to be a regression from V9 in my daily commute. Tonight I was pacing a semi in traffic who was \~10ft in front of me and one lane to the right. The semi had good centered lane placement and was not drifting towards my lane. Autopilot was weaving left to right to left in my lane continuously on a straight portion of highway like it was drunk. It was so bad that when I held the wheel firmly to keep the car in the center of the lane the weave pull was so strong it disengaged autopilot. Being flexible in the lane positioning is an attribute if the cars next to you are actually drifting into the lane but I think the system is a little too hyperactive at the moment. Edit: Now with video! The weaving returned this evening. As you can see no vehicles even thought of drifting into my lane but the car was all over the place especially after the pickup passed in the left lane. [AP 2019.40.1.1 Weaving In Lane](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaCam comments e5qzeq ap_20194011_weaving_in_lane ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x) | bw984 | 2019-12-03 00:07:25 | 39 | f9ibg94 | Then there s the delayed swerve after a pickup passes on one side. It s horrible and I would like to turn it off. It only makes sense when a semi truck is on the outside lane of a bend in the highway — Autopilot likes to enter curves late jerk its way through the curve and rubber band out onto the straights. I had a standard pickup truck in the lane to my left a semi truck + trailer to the right and it kept bouncing around in the lane. At one point it hugged to the right toward the semi three consecutive motorcycles begun to lane split to my left and then Autopilot veered left away from the semi and at the motorcycles as they squeezed by. I also disengaged by correcting the steering input. Fuck that. I don t want to be responsible for the death of others due to some Autopilot code trying to play nice. Playing nice would be being predictable on the road which this feature is not. | mtn-joe | 2019-12-03 00:29:00 | 30 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
hxzgdt | Autopilot Braking | About to order my M3 and I live in a place that has lots of deer. Just wondering if autopilot can see and brake for a deer or any other large animals. And does autopilot have to be engaged to brake or can it override the drive when it s disabled? Thanks | Garrett172 | 2020-07-26 02:59:18 | 12 | fz9lmzh | If it does it will do it poorly or not at all. Currently just tries to avoid people and vehicles with some unknown mix of “objects.” | whoosierdaddy | 2020-07-26 03:04:32 | 25 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
lyvd15 | Autopilot Braking in Traffic versus Stop Light Control | So I m not sure I m the only one who has noticed this but the braking appears to be very different when AP is enabled in stop and go traffic on the freeway versus when it s enabled on city streets for stop light control. When on the freeway and in stop and go traffic the car brakes very aggressively and stops very far (even with Distance 1) from the stopped car in front of you which causes cars behind you to get a bit irritated with how the car is “slamming” on the brakes with a solid 15 feet in front of you. On city streets approaching a stop light while following another car the car slows down much more gradually while maintaining a more human stopping distance and when coming to a complete stop it even slowly eases the brakes like a human would to prevent the jolting you get from an abrupt stop. Has anyone else noticed this? The stopping distance and abrupt braking in stop and go traffic drives me nuts so here s to hoping a solution is around the corner. | CorduroyUnderwear | 2021-03-06 05:59:43 | 39 | gpwqtob | And if you goose it to pull up a little it SLAMS on the brakes as soon as you let up. It really does not want to get any closer. | moronmonday526 | 2021-03-06 09:44:34 | 28 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
m6wn9g | Autopilot Cameras Unavailable - Features may be restored on next drive | The side cameras have no video when in reverse but Autopilot seems to work but will only see the cars in front not on the sides. I have had this issue before and it seems to go away after charging all night but it seems to be happening about every day now :( I have done the soft reboot with no luck. Any ideas? | Shock188 | 2021-03-17 09:37:54 | 12 | gr7yr1q | This is happening to me as well but mine says that the cameras need to be aligned. They came out yesterday to troubleshoot and said they fixed it but it returned one day later. I m thinking it has to be a software issue with the latest update. | AZ3otrope | 2021-03-17 09:42:08 | 7 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
bboljw | Autopilot Cause Tesla X wreck | Hey guys ive wrecked my tesla sunday night Everyone is ok. & #x200B autopilot did not recognize the exit ramp and did not slow down the car. Took a exit ramp at 70mph+ i took over when it was too late and decided not to hit the rail & #x200B & #x200B & #x200B [https: youtu.be VWTMnnECBSo](https: youtu.be VWTMnnECBSo) | Queencity19 | 2019-04-10 17:14:18 | 11 | ekk7gq3 | Glad to hear everyone is okay but Autopilot doesn t “cause” accidents like this. There was a several second window to realize the lane is an exit only lane and the speed was not appropriate for that curvature. It s super critical to pay attention while on Autopilot and this is something where just tapping the brakes at any point in that exit lane would ve prevented this from happening. | chillaban | 2019-04-10 17:18:12 | 66 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
boa1pt | Autopilot Computer just quit. no cruise control auto wipers or autopilot | updated to 2019.12.2 11 days ago. everything worked fine until today when cruise control auto wipers and autopilot stopped working. Called tesla support and they are saying its a bug and the only fix is apparently in 2019.16 which is scheduled to be pushed on Thursday. anyone else have this issue? im concerned ill end up being one of those people on the last ring of updates and my cruise control wont work until then... & #x200B Edit: i tried soft reset and powering off for 2.5 minutes. still nothing. & #x200B Edit2: called support and got my case escalated. They said it could be a maps issue and said they might upload new maps to my car. Today everything works so maybe they resolved the maps issue. & #x200B edit3: it did it again on my commute home today. but cam back after 5 minutes... | g1zm0929 | 2019-05-13 22:09:46 | 22 | endohya | You have to let it sleep. You could try a full shutdown via the screen. But yeah resetting won t work. It ll be back tomorrow. I was really worried when mine went out and felt unsafe as there s no indication that AEB is still working either. It came back the next morning. (Super common issue with 2019.12.2) | croninsiglos | 2019-05-13 22:12:16 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4qth79 | Autopilot Crash and Truck Reform | With the recent crash and big debate about autopilot and whether it should have detected the truck. I think we should be talking about truck safety in the US. Currently there are no national laws that require the use of sidewalls on trucks to prevent side impacts. As can be seen in this article it s something that comes up for cyclists as well: http: www.nyc.gov html dcas downloads pdf fleet DCASVolpePhaseFinal.pdf If the US could adapt similar regulations as Europe trucks with sidewalls would help reduce the number of fatalities with trucks. It could even help with detection by automated systems due to the lower ground clearance. Another good video on this topic: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Cmw0HIKgHiM If anyone has good suggestions on building momentum and trying to petition for this to happen please post! | keith0023 | 2016-07-01 19:13:19 | 59 | d4vrnlk | I never understood the reasoning to not have sidewalls on trucks in the US. But I see now after reading the following that it is lobbying by the transport industry that resists safety improvements which are considered standard in Europe. > Most automakers now include or offer anti-lock brakes electronic stability control airbags and collision-avoidance devices in their vehicles and the technology is included in many of the heavy trucks sold in Europe. But the United States trucking industry has largely avoided using the safety technologies available for vehicles sold here because of their cost. http: www.nytimes.com 2015 08 22 opinion the-trucks-are-killing-us.html?_r=0 | bjelkeman | 2016-07-01 19:48:37 | 29 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
bs60im | Autopilot Crashes | Maybe I m missing something but I really don t get the uproar over Tesla cars crashing whilst autopilot is engaged. & #x200B Fundamentally the driver has to be in control of the vehicle precisely the same amount as the case when autopilot is not engaged - i.e. 100% of the time. & #x200B Therefore ANY crash is solely because the driver was not concentrating and therefore would have crashed anyway.. & #x200B Unless someone can point to an example where the autopilot system actively engineered the crash (as opposed to simply not responding (which Tesla very clearly communicates is a possibility (hence 100% driver focus and control)) then there is literally nothing to these stories - and they certainly don t warrant calls to ban the driver assistance feature that is Autopilot! | rushing19952 | 2019-05-23 17:49:33 | 42 | eoj8dzz | If autopilot encourages people to stop paying attention that is a problem too. You have to design for actual usage not what you write in an instruction manual. | ijav9 | 2019-05-23 18:00:32 | 34 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4wbzw8 | Autopilot Emergency Braking Safety Feature just saved my Model S | I experienced my first (and hopefully last) emergency braking in my Model S this morning on the way to work. Traffic was going about 50mph near a hill in heavy traffic then right as I peaked over the hill traffic was absolutely stopped. Before I could even react my Model S slammed on the brakes and started beeping. My backpack (and laptop in a case) flew into the windshield and dashboard as the car skid slightly and stopped. Everything happened very quickly. I m very thankful for Autopilot s Emergency Braking feature. Without it my reaction-time alone would not have been fast enough. Even 100% slamming on the brakes I would have rear-ended the car in front of me because I wouldn t have started braking in time. I was thinking afterward (and audibly thanking Tesla) and it seems like the braking feature is constantly doing the math for you calculating the braking distance needed to stop in time. Even if a car is 100 feet in front of you (like in my case) it knows the limits of physics and will engage for you. Anyway great job Tesla! | WhyDontTheyAMA | 2016-08-05 18:55:40 | 676 | d65rap1 | Cool! It s great to hear stories about when the technology works! Were you driving with Autopilot at the time or was this the Automatic Emergency Braking? I thought AEB only reduced your speed by 25mph. | ahecht | 2016-08-05 19:16:53 | 90 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
71fs94 | Autopilot Freaks out with semi trailers? | I just got a new tesla (brand new 7 days old) and I ve been driving it to work a lot. Seems like every once in a while when I get past the back wheels of a semi with NOTHING in front of me emergency braking will apply and collision warning will go off.. is this normal? It goes from 70 to slamming on the brakes and brake checking the crap outta anyone behind me. | crehop2 | 2017-09-21 01:15:58 | 24 | dnaevrl | I have heard that it has gotten much better about them (it had issues recognizing the bottom back of trailers) though I d talk to Tesla directly about it because your issue is with something beside you. Though it would be good if some owners could chime in if they ve experienced anything like it. Could be a faulty ultrasonic sensor have you recognized it happening on both sides? [Here is a comment about current limitations as I m sure you familiar with at this point](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6lvqtn could_someone_summarize_in_a_few_bullet_points djwzq2v ) | 110110 | 2017-09-21 01:20:41 | 12 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5n9llr | Autopilot HW 1.0 lanes disappearing while passing trucks at night | I m on a road trip right now and I m supercharging. My autopilot hasn t felt as great on this trip compared to others. My car seems more wobbly less stable...I can see the lanes shaking in my mini display. And sometimes they are outright disappearing which is forcing me to take back control of the car. I m trying to notice when this is happening and it s maybe consistently happening while passing large trucks or semi trucks and it s especially bad if I m passing them while the road is curving. Of course I m wondering if anyone has experienced anything similar? This is my first time doing a lot of night driving with it on but I don t feel like that s the real reason. I ve got 300 miles or so left before I get home and I ll be extra diligently paying attention to things. Thanks so much for your help and input! tldr lanes are disappearing seemingly while passing semi trucks at night wth | DarrenDC | 2017-01-11 02:52:57 | 14 | dc9vzwn | Probably related to the reflectors on the trucks. They cause lots of issues with radar which is what Tesla is using more on AP1 vehicles. | Dr_Pippin | 2017-01-11 04:45:23 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
nckhts | Autopilot Highway | Does anyone else have an issue where you re traveling in the slow lane (most far right lane). Then an on ramp comes up and cars are in the merge lane and your Tesla will just slam on the breaks to allow them to merge even though you re already ahead of them? MYLR Version 2021.4.15.6 | brookswashere12 | 2021-05-14 22:16:22 | 53 | gy5iqt7 | Every. Time. | EleventhHero | 2021-05-14 22:22:35 | 48 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
i9k2uj | Autopilot | I have been driving on 75 south for at least the past 20 miles on autopilot. I haven t had to touch the wheel once. It hasn t given me any notifications to apply force to the wheel. Has anyone had this happen before? | Kickass-Duke | 2020-08-14 11:15:30 | 13 | g1fii08 | Yes. Disengage Autopilot find a straight flat stretch of road and don t touch the wheel. Does the car keep going straight? | izybit | 2020-08-14 11:22:29 | 37 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
nnpd9r | Autopilot Jail | There are multiple ways to get in AP jail. One is to ignore the message to keep your hands on the wheel. This takes awhile and you have time to avoid it. The other one is instant. If you are on a 80mph highway and while overtaking you hit the accelerator and go above 90. It s instant freak out and AP jail. EDIT: Another way for instant AP jail is if driver takes off seatbelt while in AP. Like if you want to take your sweater off. Thanks to the user than reminded me. If anyone found other ways please share. I notice Tesla is using the interior camera to check if you are paying attention now. On my road trip if I m looking out the left and not in front it prompts me to take the wheel more often and require more torque. I have a feeling Tesla will be putting a lot of people in AP jail more frequently and with extending duration. | chadpig | 2021-05-29 15:07:20 | 188 | gzwajx7 | Drive too fast? AP jail No pay attention? AP jail Pay too much attention? Believe it or not also AP jail | pikindaguy | 2021-05-29 18:42:58 | 189 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
bk934d | Autopilot NoA Cruise Not Available after 2019.12.1.2 5c87371 | Updated to 2019.12.1.2 5c87371 last night and when driving this morning autopilot and cruise control was not available and no line markings from road on screen. Powered off car manually for more than 5 minutes and rebooted screen twice but didn t work. Has anyone else had this issue after update? I called Tesla and they said I would need a mobile service appointment to check it out. Worked perfect before update. | Melektrana | 2019-05-03 14:26:53 | 22 | emf0599 | Folks: This happened to me last week and I discovered that the car doors were not locked. Tap the lock button and those features come right back. | Branden_Williams | 2019-05-03 15:26:15 | 22 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
4hl813 | Autopilot Notification Sound | Does anyone have a clear video or recording of the sound that comes when Autopilot is engaged? I would love to make it a notification ringtone for my iPhone... | legoswag123 | 2016-05-03 02:31:20 | 28 | d2qr289 | Personally I wouldn t want to desensitise my brain to the sound lest I get confused whilst driving at a critical moment | bitofalefty | 2016-05-03 06:59:15 | 11 | Tesla Model 3 Audio Experience |
b091hh | Autopilot Review - driving through snow and freezing rain | I m from Toronto and am currently on vacation in Quebec City. I was lucky and got a 30 day autopilot trial ahead of the trip so I ve had the opportunity to use EAP while driving collectively about 10 hours so far. For those of you who ve never had it or have never used it in bad weather I thought you might appreciate a review. **Overall:** I d say that 95% of the time autopilot has made for a far less stressful driving experience even when only using the smart cruise control option. The other 5% of the time it s been white knuckled driving. **The Pros** * generally it works like a charm. Driving is relaxing. I don t always sleep well and sometimes find myself having trouble staying focused on long car drives. AP has allowed me to relax a little to be ok with being unfocused and to enjoy the ride. * the smart cruise control is honestly the best thing ever. Even if I didn t want to use autopilot having a cruise control option where my car maintains a safe distance from the cars ahead of it and adjusts speed based on their speed is a real game changer on the highway. **The Cons** *Please note* these are just my observations. EAP is not really meant for intense winter storm driving and I wouldn t suggest you use it as such. I will say that getting any amount of snow slush on the front of the car negates the EAP which is not a surprise or upsetting just be aware that you could be driving along and then suddenly find yourself knocked out of EAP. Being aware of your surroundings is key. * There are random breaking issues. I think that if a car in the next lane drifts a bit too close to the lane I m in the car starts to slow down in anticipation. This isn t a huge deal but it s disconcerting. * When EAP is unavailable so is any kind of cruise control. If EAP is not activated you can always use cruise control - however when the ice snow was blocking my sensors I couldn t even put it in DUMB cruise control which was disappointing. I had to pull over and wipe off the sensors at one point. * Awareness really is key. Driving in bad weather there are always issues to pay attention to. For example there were areas where there were fairly deep pools of water on the highway. Maybe autopilot can handle the water but I felt nervous any time the car drove over that water and risked hydroplaning. * Similarly you have to watch for pot holes because EAP won t. Honestly even with the cons it s just about being aware of your surroundings. If you are aware you will have a very pleasurable driving experience. I m hopeful that my wife will agree to buy AP in the near future hopefully for the $2K that was recently offered because without a doubt it is worth it. | Haquistadore | 2019-03-12 15:27:01 | 21 | eicz8ej | My experience has been when it loses the lane lines due to snow or heavy salt it turns off automatically and beeps at you with a message on the screen too and will return when it can determine where it is on the road. You will notice this even when it isn t turned on the gray steering wheel will disappear on the screen. & #x200B I recently had a chance to play with it in a snow an ice covered parking lot tried spinning it out do dice tried sliding it no dice. Got up to a good speed cut wheel hard and hit the gas peddle no dice powers it down and completes the turn. If I had more time I would have tried more things not often you get a giant parking lot with no cars and it s all snow and ice packed. It was early morning and nobody was around. It was reassuring to see you have a hard time losing control of it. I m sure others can chime in on how they put it through the paces. Would of like to get it up to 40mph or higher and slam on brakes to see what it would have done and than do it again turning the wheel. I have a feeling probably not much. Oh well maybe next time i m up there. | GoTesla | 2019-03-12 16:13:58 | 9 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
hgdmk3 | Autopilot Slams on Brakes on Highway | Yesterday evening I was on a straight and empty highway clear and bright with an hour or so of daylight remaining in the second-to-right lane of four lanes my direction nothing in the road. As the car was about to drive under a bridge it suddenly SLAMMED on the brakes like completely stomped on them. Scared the crap out of me. I hit the accelerator pedal to speed up immediately but by then I had slowed to around 30 mph. If someone had been behind me I would have been rear-ended. There was nothing in the road except perhaps the shadow of the bridge? I did not notice anything pop up on the visualization part of the screen. 2020 M3P no FSD. 2020.20.12. WTF? Was it the bridge? Should I be afraid to use AP if there is any traffic on the road? Is there a way to predict (and prevent) this behavior? **UDPATE:** Just tried the exact same route same use of AP at 64 mph same lane. I had no issues with phantom braking tonight. Conditions were *very* similar but not exactly the same -- around the spot there were some cars a ways in front of me that I could see represented on the visualization part of the screen. Maybe seeing following those cars helped AP. Also I tried to look around for clues to what may have caused it last night. I couldn t see anything. The lane lines were clearly visible no weird curves or inclines or declines in the road the bridge was not odd on the horizon shadow didn t look weird. | FatherPhil | 2020-06-26 18:58:05 | 68 | fw3cjwj | You must be new here. Welcome aboard. Hopefully this gets fixed soon but it s been an issue for a **long** time. Some software versions are better than others. It doesn t happen often to me but it has and it s infuriating. Bottom line with Autopilot always be ready for anything. It works great 99% of the time but that 1% will ruin your underwear. | TheKobayashiMoron | 2020-06-26 19:15:19 | 142 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
c1i0sq | Autopilot Sounds | So I was messing with my phone earlier automating some stuff and I thought it d be cool to have an alert noise as the Autopilot engaging sound. But I could not find an easy mp3 download for those noises anywhere. So I found a video of a guy driving a Tesla and converted the sounds over. Here are the AP engage and disengage noises if you wanna do something with them :) [https: drive.google.com drive folders 1lFl3mFYEFt7dXTBY7eRCR9QDQakPieTO?usp=sharing](https: drive.google.com drive folders 1lFl3mFYEFt7dXTBY7eRCR9QDQakPieTO?usp=sharing) | IBelieveInMoriarty | 2019-06-17 02:10:52 | 14 | erdcq79 | There are risks to this as you train your mind to not associate the sounds with your car. Autopilot disengages and instead of knowing to take over the car you wonder who texted you. | SparkySpecter | 2019-06-17 02:16:28 | 35 | Tesla Model 3 Audio Experience |
9qs1jx | Autopilot Speeding ticket PSA (for PA at least) | So here s an interesting one. My buddy was traveling on a stretch of road we both travel frequently. The road goes from 50 to 35. Autopilot slows down automatically here but only starts slowing down as soon as the sign passes the front bumper. The cop clocked him as he reached the sign going 50 while the car was adjusting down to 35. Anyone else out there have a similar experience. Seems a little trappy to me. Thoughts? https: youtu.be n3XhzOsUPr8 | fasteddie7 | 2018-10-23 19:06:07 | 35 | e8bbkrp | This is considered a speed trap in California. You have 500 feet after the sign to adjust your speed. It also helps that speed limit here means minimum speed limit. | hkibad | 2018-10-23 19:10:28 | 75 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
3x7xze | Autopilot Starting to ID Motorcycles | While this particular motorcycle has been modded to be highly visible this is the first time that I recall having seen autopilot correctly ID a motorcycle as a car for following and avoidance purposes. I don t see many bikes on the road but I ll be keeping an eye out for more to see how far the detection algorithm has come. http: imgur.com ydgelTh | majesticjg | 2015-12-17 14:58:22 | 18 | cy294ae | In 7.1 it will even render a motorcycle instead of a car on your dashboard. | FredTesla | 2015-12-17 15:04:52 | 18 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7izlux | Autopilot Status | I am a huge Tesla fan but am a stage of life or two away from owning one. I m also a huge tech nerd and have gotten caught up in autopilot news. It s been difficult finding links on development. So below notes hyperlinked to sources for any other AP enthusiasts. Feel free to correct with source references. If stating opinion please mention. It s fun to speculate but want to keep facts facts. Oct 15 2015 - [AutoPilot has wide release in software update v7.0](https: electrek.co 2015 10 10 tesla-will-release-its-software-v7-0-with-autopilot-on-thursday-oct-15 ) November ? 2015 - [Sterling Anderson Model X PM becomes lead on new AutoPilot program](https: www.teslarati.com sterling-anderson-tesla-director-autopilot-departs ) December ? 2016 - [Sterling Anderson leaves Tesla](https: www.teslarati.com sterling-anderson-tesla-director-autopilot-departs ) January 30 2017 - [Lattner is hired as head of AP team. Works on updating AP software from HW1 (Mobile Eye) to working on HW2 (Tesla).](http: nondot.org sabre Resume.html#Tesla) Thx @LouBrown for the tip. (There are great AP nuggets on his resume) April 19 2017 - [Lawsuit against Sterling Anderson s Aurora is settled. Anderson accused of breaching contract poaching employees from AP program and stealing hundreds of gigabytes of data.](http: www.businessinsider.com tesla-sterling-anderson-lawsuit-dropped-2017-4) June 20 2017 - [Lattner leaves the AP team. Stating it just wasn t the right fit but still believes in Tesla s mission.](http: nondot.org sabre Resume.html#Tesla) June 6 2017 - [Karpathy is hired to head AP team.](https: twitter.com karpathy status 877330494555176962?lang=en) Thx to @worldgoes Aug 9 2017 (maybe) - [Tesla announces AP 2.5 hardware for increase AI computation of AP 2.0 software](https: electrek.co 2017 08 09 tesla-autopilot-2-5-hardware-computer-autonomous-driving ) Aug 25 2017 - [A note is made about the AP team s turnover rate ](https: arstechnica.com cars 2017 08 report-tesla-is-bleeding-talent-from-its-autopilot-division ) Aug 31 2017 - [Several Universities confirm four cameras and supplemental measurements are enough for full autonomy](https: cleantechnica.com 2017 11 14 teslas-lack-lidar-autopilot-legit-provides-cost-competitive-edge-research-hints ) Oct-ish 2017 - [Tesla adds different levels of auto emergency braking](https: electrek.co 2017 10 22 tesla-update-full-speed-automatic-emergency-braking-autopilot-2-5 ) Nov 1. 2017 - [Shareholder s receive letter that advanced functions in the next several months based on neural net foundation being set](https: electrek.co 2017 11 01 tesla-new-autopilot-function-ai-vision-neural-net-next-several-months ) Dec 7 2017 - [Elon confirms AI chip development with Jim fricken Keller at the helm](https: www.wired.com story musk-says-tesla-is-building-its-own-chip-for-autopilot ) Edit 1: Dec 20 2017: Added original AP wide release and names of first two AP department leads their lead times and other notes. That s it for now. Will swing back and update when I can. | sbdoroff | 2017-12-11 04:02:49 | 45 | dr2o8xz | I will say though headlines aside from a performance standpoint the last 3 months have been extremely exciting. From 2017.34 to 2017.42 and beyond it s been a night and day difference in real world lane keeping performance. The brilliant reverse engineers at TMC noticed that there s new 12 06 dated Autopilot high resolution map tiles recently pushed out. There s been no features that make for good press but as an owner what happened in 2017.42 is literally the most important advance in the history of AP2 and a huge step in restoring my optimism about Autopilot progress. | chillaban | 2017-12-11 05:23:24 | 29 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
dppoqa | Autopilot Suggestion: Traffic Mode | In bumper to bumper traffic it s often times more efficient to maintain an always in the middle approach to avoid the progressive over-compensation that motorist behind you have when you hit the brake lights. Check out: [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=iHzzSao6ypE](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=iHzzSao6ypE) What are your thoughts on a traffic mode that might improve our experience with autopilot in traffic? As of now autopilot just tries to maintain distance as long as speed does not exceed the limit. | castane | 2019-10-31 16:07:05 | 30 | f5xbuz7 | That should just be what autopilot does in traffic.... I don t need or want a separate mode. | stevehobbes | 2019-10-31 16:14:31 | 46 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
bm7y1v | Autopilot Trial Expired | Just a heads up my 60 day autopilot trial expired before the 60 days was up. Looks like I got about 40 days of use and then it was just gone. Not complaining I know most trials are 14-30 days but I thought I would share in case anyone else has a 60 day trial you might not actually get the full 60 days. | ProdigyI5 | 2019-05-08 17:15:24 | 19 | emujr2h | Same. Two days ago was 23 days left yesterday it disappeared. I emailed customer support about it to see if I could get the remainder of those days back. That being said my upgrade page prices don t seem to have changed yet. Did your upgrade prices go up yet? | mishengda | 2019-05-08 17:35:23 | 9 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9fu1fy | Autopilot Trial extension bug | I wanted to use my trial for my Vegas roadtrip unfortunately I received the notification a few days earlier than I wanted. So to try and trick the system I left the prompt up for a few days (never hitting enable) while still driving. On day 5 with the prompt I noticed even without hitting enable I still was able to use autopilot. I checked the days remaining and it said 9 days remaining . I thought I was screwed and wasted a few days of my trial so I hit enable. 10 days later my autopilot was still running at 0 days remaining . It gave me the full 14 days plus the 5 I didn t know it was working. Autopilot drove me ~600 miles that weekend with my timer at 0 and it was glorious. tldr If you don t hit enable and still drive around you will have free autopilot (with a window blocking your maps). The 14 days doesn t really begin until you hit enable despite what the car timer says. | Whatthedom | 2018-09-14 17:35:29 | 25 | e5zc8e8 | They should allow you to wait and enable it when you want to allow users to use it during a time when it s actually useful to them and they re more likely to enable it that way. Otherwise they may just not find it useful for the driving they happen to be doing for that week. | reddit__user__yeah | 2018-09-14 18:56:39 | 13 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
bue8g0 | Autopilot UN limitations lifted in 16.3.1 for Australia | Ok so after a 50km drive here s what I ve noticed AP nags are greatly reduced Lane change on AP is back to how it was and will indicate for longer than 5 seconds to make the lane change even with the stalk fully down AP seems to handle lanes widening narrowing a lot better Overall a huge improvement since being crippled due to regulations I m in Australia so perhaps it was determined that the regs don t apply here anyway I m very happy | whatthehellisaGW | 2019-05-29 12:46:35 | 74 | epbnwuw | I ve heard someone saying in the UK that it had improved too.. Australia is a signatory to WP29 so should be under the same standards but maybe Tesla got an exemption modification or found a lawyer who read it sufficiently differently. | TonyHoyle | 2019-05-29 15:49:57 | 11 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8k0i0k | Autopilot Usage Survey | Hello friends of r TeslaMotors I put together a quick 8 question survey about Autopilot usage. I m trying to get a feel for how people actually use autopilot. If you have a couple minutes to spare please fill out this survey. ***The survey is completely anonymous*** The results are completely public. You will be able to see the results after completing the survey. [Additionally the raw results are available in this spreadsheet.](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1mzOlkD9JxVL4xUREZmXNUJh4siknR7C1ZDLKiuWt6sY edit?usp=sharing) ## [**The survey is available here**](https: goo.gl forms OsJIM7UXpzQiIoWa2) Thanks again! **Edit:** ---- [Here is the summary of responses](https: docs.google.com forms d 1TL6VBuopZ7TPKxTANjW3-u1gF7tdI4YhyE3T4ZSyMLU viewanalytics) (With graphs and such) | BostonGraver | 2018-05-17 01:58:35 | 19 | dz3ytzp | Would be interesting to see how usages differs between new drivers and those that have had AP for a longer period of time. | TeslaModel11 | 2018-05-17 02:27:23 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
caig2n | Autopilot V1 still improving? | Hi. I have a short idiot-question since I m thinking about buying a Model S with autopilot V1: Since Tesla has replaced the core components and software with AP2(hardware as well as software) I am asking myself: Is the quality of AP1 still improving via driven AP1 miles? Or is Tesla entirely focused on it s own AP setup now while AP1 cars remain at their current level of abilities? | vitruvo | 2019-07-08 08:34:14 | 13 | et97r5b | Long time AP1 owner here. There have been no improvements in terms of how it drives (smoothness lane keeping improvements maximum amount of steering angle it can use for sharp turns etc.) that I can discern but in the last 6 months or so I DO believe they have been working on the safety aspects (i.e. detecting lane encroachment and braking as a result braking earlier more forcefully when cars cut in front of you pedestrian and bike detection etc.). & #x200B So even though we aren t getting new features like NoA automatic lane changes etc - I do believe Tesla continues to attempt to improve the safety aspects of AP1 to make it safer and more defensive. & #x200B I never used to have phantom braking events on highways like I ve read about with AP2 builds but starting somewhere around December in the 2018.50.6 builds I did notice my car starting to have more phantom braking events on road trips and noticed it seemed to have to do with vehicles riding too close to the lane divider or drifting towards it as I was approaching with a say 10mph+ speed differential. I ve also noticed that when driving on back roads or highways and approaching cars that are stopped my car now starts to brake earlier and more aggressively vs. waiting until the last minute or not seeming to brake at all so perhaps they have adjusted the radar vision mix again. & #x200B I ve also had some back road experience where a car is parked on the shoulder in your lane of travel but is across the white line requiring you to partially cross the center line to avoid colliding . . . early builds of AP1 would happily plow right into these vehicles (i.e. the scenario where AP1 owners have plowed into shoulder parked police cars and fire trucks). I test this a lot on my back roads and have noted an improvement since the December builds (albeit not 100% success - it s at least now 50% successful in detecting and slowing stopping). & #x200B Net net - I do believe Tesla continues to evolve the safety features of AP1 but they are not adding new features like NoA etc. | EdisonsMedicine | 2019-07-08 12:30:18 | 13 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
e8bb6p | Autopilot accelerates towards stopping vehicles! | Hopefully this does not break any of the strict rules against photos videos the intention of this post is to discuss the autopilot issue not to show off pictures. & #x200B Auto lane change has major issues. I know in the latest update they slow the car when the next lane is going slow but autopilot will still accelerate into a collision path with a car that actually does pull out of another lane into the current lane! It not only completely ignores the blinker it doesn t even see a threat until the other car is more than halfway into the lane when a reasonable human would abort as soon as the car starts to cross the line or turns on it s blinker. & #x200B This is extremely dangerous the car needs to make sure when I m changing lanes to the lane to the left it first makes sure there s no cars coming from the right into my current lane especially if its going to be accelerating. It needs to make sure there s no cars 2 lanes to the left moving into the left lane before it crosses over into the left lane too! & #x200B Forget robo-taxis basic safety threats like this need to be addressed! There s no way auto pilot is safer than a human driver in it s current incarnation! If I had not taken over I would have crashed. & #x200B There s no logical reason why the car should not abort the lane change & start to slow at 0:08 or 0:09 at the latest! As soon as the car next to me has its blinker on to enter my lane in front of me the tesla should optimistically leave an appropriate buffer for the car to enter the lane not speed up & begin the lane change on a collision path with the other car changing lanes! Or at 0:09 when the car actually enters my lane dangerously close in front of me the tesla should emergency brake or slow down! Or at 0:10 the car is fully in my lane & brake lights are ON my tesla is still accelerating into it! Or at 0:12 the car is clearly decelerating in front of me even if the brake lights did not work the Tesla still doesn t see the threat. At around 0:13\~0:14 emergency braking did kick in but I had already manually applied the brake at that time. [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=weD9E6Omq2Y& feature=youtu.be& t=08](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=weD9E6Omq2Y& feature=youtu.be& t=08) & #x200B Back view guy behind me was obviously like wtf... [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=XAMW0GN8\_uw& feature=youtu.be& t=15](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=XAMW0GN8_uw& feature=youtu.be& t=15) | joshribakoff | 2019-12-09 15:23:52 | 3,209 | faabetx | Why all of the downvotes? This is the sort of thing needed for autopilot to get better. Quit downvoting any criticism. | _Colty_ | 2019-12-09 15:48:14 | 1,143 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
3p6jn7 | Autopilot allows me to sightsee like never before! | When I m on the Interstate in the middle of nowhere I feel comfortable enough with autopilot that I can take my eyes off the road and actually take in the scenery almost as if I was a passenger. I m still alert and ready to take over but it is nice to be able to fixate on the scenery for more than a second or two. This is my favorite thing about highway autopilot. I drove I-40 between California and Oklahoma and did over 1000 miles hands off. | OompaOrangeFace | 2015-10-18 01:55:12 | 168 | cw3mbd2 | On the flipside I tried autopilot today in stop-and-go highway congestion and I found it a really nice experience. Somehow the traffic jam seems less like a personal affront to me when the car is dealing with it and I can just kind of relax and take in my surroundings. | evillampshade | 2015-10-18 02:59:12 | 75 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6h7jkv | Autopilot and Emergency vehicles | Good day As a firefighter and firetruck driver I wonder how the autopilot acts in a number ob situations where an emergency vehicle with activated horn and blue beams is involved especially on a crossroad with green lights for the tesla and a rescue vehicle crossing over a red light (which I think is allowed nearly everywhere with activated horn and blue beams). Has anyone an Idea if the Autopilot will recognize it? I know that Autopilot is actually only a driver assistance but I think a lot of peoply rely too much on it. To reach full autonomous driving (Level 5) this would be necessary to master such situations. | dabbax | 2017-06-14 13:38:59 | 31 | diw3b4q | Autopilot doesn t have the capability to recognize that at this point. Certainly that s the type of thing that will need to be implemented down the road. | LouBrown | 2017-06-14 13:54:28 | 35 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9sqrly | Autopilot and FSD with Hardware 3 | I m listening back on the earnings call and hearing Andrej Karpathy say they have these really good neural networks trained but can t deploy because they take too much compute power. He goes on to say he s excited for hardware 3 for this reason because it can process these networks. I think this means 2019 will be a big year for autopilot and Full Self Driving. Compare this to Elon s very quick remarks about Model Y maybe not even having a steering wheel. Obviously a joke but maybe an indication of what is going on with the development of the networks considering model Y should be out in 2020. Finally on top of this Elon reiterates Tesla s future via the Tesla Network on the most recent earnings call. He gave no dates no timelines but I think it s clear Karpathy s work is going well. Once Tesla can get their HW3 out I think there will be very quick and vast improvements in its self driving capabilities. | DTTD_Bo | 2018-10-30 18:42:18 | 31 | e8qps6b | Since the $3k upgrade to FSD is not off the table what do we speculate will be the cost to add on later? Which level of autonomy will be reserved for FSD vs. EAP? & #x200B Note: Called Tesla you can still add FSD for $3k it s been more than a week since [Elon s Tweet](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1053068635940388865?lang=en). | BIGJAYsmalljay | 2018-10-30 18:51:19 | 12 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
a10rkw | Autopilot and Motorcycles | I m in California and I work at Tesla but I have a question for those that actually have a Tesla. I ve noticed that when commuting on my motorcycle back home from the factory (lane splitting is officially legal now in CA) literally every single Tesla I have passed stays in the center of the lane. I understand it s not required but it s nice to see drivers acknowledge they can see me and move to the left as much as they can - it really does makes it safer for both the driver and rider. Is this due to Autopilot being engaged? Do Teslas register these lane splitting motorcycles and are they reflected on the screen? Have you ever see Autopilot modify it s path due to a motorcycle line splitting? | UnorthodoxEngineer | 2018-11-28 00:18:52 | 18 | ealwjp3 | I was on autopilot today and was smack in the center of the road. Motorcycles passed me a couple of times and I felt a little weird as I normally would ve kept a little distance from the center. Autopilot recognizes the bikes but does not move or adjust. | IV-Crush | 2018-11-28 00:24:05 | 25 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
2tppr2 | Autopilot and curvy roads. | I know autopilot can be a lifesaver for long highway travel but how does it work on curvy roads? | Vitalization | 2015-01-26 12:13:52 | 15 | co189gn | In the test drive I had with the P85D yesterday the rep said that they often turn off lane assistance because it can be annoying in curves. Sometimes they said you want to take the turn a little sharper and it requires going over the line and sometimes it s a nuisance. So he just said that he hopes they ll implement some leniency when it comes to turns which would just be a software update. We ll see... but I can see the pros and cons of each. I think they ll have to give the user the ability for sensitivity -- and maybe then it would make sense. | 110110 | 2015-01-26 13:43:28 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
40nrv1 | Autopilot and long commutes | I have the choice of buying a Model S and keeping my 50 minute commute (in CA 405 traffic) or spending the money moving closer to work (15 minute driving commute). Other factors aside I m curious to learn what kind of a difference autopilot makes on such a long daily drive. | kodek64 | 2016-01-12 18:49:57 | 15 | cyvn1dj | I drive about 70 minutes each way to and from work in Chicago traffic almost every work day. AutoPilot was a big improvement to my life. I used to get to work and home all stressed from the commute. Now I just tend to hang out in the right or center lanes and let AutoPilot do its thing. Sometimes I take over just because I m bored. I kind of look forward to the drive now because it s mostly relaxing quiet time for me. | RGuyM | 2016-01-12 19:15:27 | 22 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
m08ien | Autopilot and mountain passes | We took our new LR MY on a day trip to figure out how to travel in a Tesla and apart from the obvious adjustment to charging frequently and just enough to get to the next charger driving across a mountain pass on autopilot was a bit of an experience. To initiate a turn the Autopilot would drive the car full speed forward suddenly realize that it s about to cross the median brake turn accelerate and repeat the same thing with the next turn. To be fair the method kind of worked but it felt like the autopilot was always late slowing down into the turn. I guess I was expecting it to use the map to optimize the upcoming turn but it seemed like it was purely relying on sensors. Is this how it works? | GladToBeEeyore | 2021-03-08 05:13:26 | 26 | gq6jk0a | Yes. Unlike the FSD beta autopilot currently does not anticipate curves and slow down at least not reliably. | 404_Gordon_Not_Found | 2021-03-08 05:19:45 | 22 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
f93xok | Autopilot and “evasive maneuver”: myth or real | Occasionally there are people (sometimes even on this sub but mostly on Twitter and then picked up by yellow journalists like Electrek and Teslarati) claiming that autopilot “saved their life” by performing maneuvers that either totally avoided an accident or mitigated the damages. I m talking about people who claim the car totally performed movements outside of what AEB or simple autopilot breaking would do. Movements that include swerving into another lane to avoid a stopped object and then swerving right back in after passing the said object all supposedly in a matter of seconds. Now usually the more knowledgeable people on this sub point out that such actions simply cannot be performed by autopilot. I personally haven t had my FSD perform anything other than an AEB to avoid a collision. So that begs the question: *Can autopilot FSD perform evasive maneuvers?* There are some people who believe it genuinely can which is an extremely dangerous assumption since it promotes them to not spend as much attention to the road. We saw this fold out with the Apple engineer who died when his Model 3 crashed while on autopilot new reports hint that he was *likely* playing a mobile game on his phone at the time of the crash. So please share your knowledge experience on this issue. The more knowledgeable people are about their vehicle the more likely they are to effectively control it during unexpected events. | sepehr_brk | 2020-02-25 03:37:03 | 67 | fipc7jl | I would call this an evasive maneuver but the viewer will be the judge. [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=SS10B51qAz0& t=29s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=SS10B51qAz0& t=29s) | mar4c | 2020-02-25 03:56:38 | 73 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6kzw7v | Autopilot at Night vs Day? | Is there a noticeable difference? | SilentStrike5 | 2017-07-03 13:30:40 | 21 | djq3buy | Seems to do a bit better at night. I think it has better contrast for detecting the lane markings when they re lit up by your headlights rather than by the sun. It s not a big difference though. | mikeash | 2017-07-03 14:47:51 | 20 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
avwxn0 | Autopilot changes: no more Enhanced Autopilot. Enhanced Autopilot Features and Newly Advertised Full Self-Driving Features are the same | See the descriptions below - looks like there is no Enhanced Autopilot anymore. There s autopilot and there s FSD. Features listed for FSD are what we ve already had for months. Autopilot Enables your car to steer accelerate and brake automatically for other vehicles and pedestrians within its lane. Option Selected $3 000 $4 000 if added after delivery Full Self-Driving Capability Navigate on Autopilot: automatic driving from highway on-ramp to off-ramp including interchanges and overtaking slower cars. Autopark: both parallel and perpendicular spaces. Summon: your parked car will come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Really. Coming later this year: Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs. Automatic driving on city streets. Select Option $5 000 | Patcher2 | 2019-02-28 22:23:14 | 37 | ehicd20 | I actually think EAP will be it s own in the middle tiers and will not get stop lights or city driving | y2kbaby2 | 2019-02-28 22:24:11 | 14 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7tq3v3 | Autopilot comfort | Just did an 800 mile trip with using autopilot 90% of the way. How comfortable are people with autopilot on sharp long curve turns? | allmychoicesarewrong | 2018-01-29 05:21:25 | 28 | dtetw7q | I ve used AP1 and AP2 on loaners. The two things that bug me the most about it (which would making taking a trip with it annoying) are: 1) The driver is in charge and I try to make small lane position adjustments in the cases where AP isn t where I think it should be. Rather than let me do that it fights back. It should let the driver adjust it (any ideally even learn from that). 2) When you finally put enough force on the wheel that AP disengages it does not do so smoothly. It suddenly lets go of the wheel which causes a lateral lurch which passengers feel (and don t like). AP control inputs need to be listened to better and the driver takeover handover needs to be smoother. | Dithermaster | 2018-01-29 14:25:09 | 23 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6ilse7 | Autopilot crash: Tesla diagnostic vs competitor | The recent report of NTSB brought to my attention how many data Tesla can access in the minutes before the accident. Going 37 minutes back knowing how many seconds the hands were on the wheel brake activation changes in cruise control ... All of that seems really a lot to me. I was wondering if this is something that only Tesla can do at this level of precision or if also other car manufacturers have the same ability. If a Mercedes (Volvo BMW...) crashes is it possible for Mercedes (Volvo BMW...) to know details about speed cruise control brake activation ... in the minutes before the accident? Is it possible that many deadly accident already happened using Mercedes Volvo Audi... with ADAS active but nobody knows because there are no data to know it? | CanaleTesla | 2017-06-21 13:23:51 | 29 | dj78bva | Event data recorders (EDRs) have been in vehicles for decades now. It s not unique to Tesla. [Ford started including them in 2000](https: www.theglobeandmail.com technology black-box-shows-car-crash-data article1136839 ). GM started in 1994. The level of detail and the sensor inputs will vary but the data is used for forensics all the time. There are [companies that specialize in analyzing the data](http: www.crashforensics.com automobiledatarecorders.cfm) and debates have sprung up about the privacy issues -- with some going as far as [disabling them](https: www.lifewire.com finding-turning-off-cars-black-box-534841). > Is it possible that many deadly accident already happened using Mercedes Volvo Audi... with ADAS active but nobody knows because there are no data to know it? No. Any vehicle with advanced tech like ADAS would have an EDR with thorough logging. | Bluechip9 | 2017-06-21 14:11:45 | 23 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ecl9g5 | Autopilot crashed and hold mode almost caused a collision | So the car was on a highway Navigate on Autopilot on and the lane was barely moving due to traffic. Autopilot started behaving weirdly the car in front was a darker shade but so was any car that passed on the exit lane on the right (This is Canada so no adjacent lane speed). First the car stopped moving forward in a smooth manner and started to stop for a while. I thought it was just a result of the heavy traffic but the distance soon became enough to put five cars between the car in front which was barely moving. I reached out to turn off autopilot using the stalk moving it up and just before I completed that autopilot crashed and the red steering wheel icon blared. Now is the corner case. The car was in hold mode and therefore the foot doesn t need to be on the brake to change gears. The car got into reverse but before I could process that I pushed the accelerator as I had intended to do believe it was in drive and almost ended up crashing into the car behind before I was able to slam the brakes. I think that Tesla shouldn t allow gears to be changed without pressing on the brake pedal using Hold mode or disable Autopilot to turn off at gear stalk when moving it up. I would never turn it off from the stalk from now on but it is intended behavior. Thought you guys should know. This is in Canada Model 3 SR+ HW3 with FSD on 42.1. I have the Teslacam files but don t think they will tell anything more than I said. TLDR: I reached up to turn off Autopilot as it was behaving weirdly before I was able to push the stalk up NoA crashed the car got into reverse and almost ended up rear-ending someone. | qiagord | 2019-12-19 00:31:25 | 38 | fbc6con | PSA: You should ***not*** be pulling all the way up on the gear stalk to cancel autopilot. You also do ***not*** have to pull all the way down on the gear stalk to initiate TACC or autopilot. Only until you hit the point of resistance. | dubsteponmycat | 2019-12-19 00:52:18 | 60 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
eds8de | Autopilot cut-in detection improved significantly this year | & #x200B [View cut-in detection improvements](https: preview.redd.it 09pofuzul0641.png?width=1600& format=png& auto=webp& s=2cb939b106addca4295147fe9f331b8c3abda5b7) Looks like Tesla s data engine has been busy collecting video training data of vehicles cutting in as they explained on Autonomy day where this is an example of automatically labeled data by looking forwards and backwards in time to identify truth. Autopilot from earlier this year seemed pretty good at cut-in detection at stop-n-go traffic speeds perhaps because visually a yawed car looks different. However at highway speeds the other car visually looks much more like any other vehicle continuing straight and cut-in detection wasn t as good. Now it seems like Autopilot neural network has gotten enough samples to consistently predict cut-in behavior based on the recent movement of other vehicles. From my own experience even fast-moving vehicles cutting across multiple lanes at a time are predicted to enter your lane even before they cross your lane line. Hopefully these cut-in prediction capabilities means Autopilot is already predicting other types of movement e.g. someone turning in front of you on city streets but perhaps functionality isn t activated yet to slow down to prevent a head-on collision or ignore slowing down for a vehicle that will immediately move past. Thanks u DirtyTesla for these Tesla Challenge videos with the road and screen highlighting vehicles! | harikaried | 2019-12-21 16:57:22 | 92 | fbkcnrn | This stuff is always tough to judge because it s very situational and subjective. But I agree I also am under the impression that there s been improvement on this. As far as detecting indicators that s difficult and even worse in the US because there s less regulations (around color separate lights from break lights etc.) | InterfaceBE | 2019-12-21 17:11:10 | 20 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
54ey03 | Autopilot driving too far to the right? | Hello Picked up my new MS 60d yesterday loving every part of it! I feel like when I engage autosteer it keeps the car too far to the right nearly putting the driver in the middle of the lane. The display shows the car and road lines and does appear to be a little incorrect. When I m driving it shows the car closer to the left lines than it really is. Is this normal? If not do I bring it in for some kind of adjustment? Can the sensors just be misaligned? Edit: forgot to mention mine was delivered with 8.0 Thanks! | smallbusinessnerd | 2016-09-25 12:45:44 | 14 | d81ahxd | I used to think this - but if you look in your side mirrors - you ll see you re actually dead center in the lane. I m convinced it s psychological. Especially here in CA where lane splitting is legal you get accustomed to moving left. Unless you re sure there s something up - then take it in verify everything is calibrated. | dirtyfries | 2016-09-25 14:05:55 | 15 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
cxhqdh | Autopilot during stop and go traffic | I m looking for feedback on how many of you use autopilot (not nav on autopilot) during the commute to work in stop and go traffic. The one annoying thing with my wife s Honda Accord is that the ACC turns off under 25 MPH and when the car in front accelerates the car doesn t speed up quick enough to keep up with the car in front and other cars constantly use the opportunity to get in front of you since there is a large gap. Does your Tesla accelerate at a decent rate to not allow a huge gap when the car in front speeds up? Thanks for feedback. I ordered a Model Y but did not purchase FSD so I won t have nav on autopilot. I see plenty of videos online for nav on auto pilot but not a lot of good videos on autopilot only for the newer version of hardware. | Coreycummings | 2019-08-30 14:31:55 | 15 | eyl5460 | other cars will cut in front of you but you won t care because your commute is so much more relaxing. | noswad8 | 2019-08-30 14:46:54 | 51 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5msk78 | Autopilot for offramps? | Elon mentioned that 8.1 would enable Teslas to automatically take a highway exit if it s set in the GPS. I m still on 8.0 to avoid the crazy braking issue has anyone on 8.1 been able to get autonomous highway exiting working? | teslafolife | 2017-01-08 19:18:29 | 10 | dc6181z | Nobody is on 8.1 | dirtyfries | 2017-01-08 19:52:00 | 9 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
hdachu | Autopilot going too far left | I already had a similar problem that I posted here. The problem is back. I thought I would document what I m experiencing just in case I might be missing something really silly. 1. Mostly Autopilot works well. Great in fact. It has trouble in odder places like if the lanes split up but I ve learned to recognize most of the weird spots ahead of time. 2. About once every ten times I want to use Autopilot it will steer heavily towards the left side of the lane sometimes crossing the line. Eep! 3. I already had a Service Center take a look at it. They suspected that the Autopilot needed to recalibrate itself. We got a quick appointment they took a look at it and the calibration went without any apparent problems. They said they didn t notice anything else wrong. 4. Today I had my first chance to really test it. The first thirty minutes were fine. The car was stable as a rock and I was starting to relax. Then the car started to dance around a bit in the lane until it finally \*really\* wanted to go left. This was on a clearly marked highway in daylight without any rain. This should have been easy. 5. I tried several different areas but each one had the car either hugging the left side of the lane or leaving the lane. 6. We made several stops for food and looking around. After two of those spots the car suddenly started behaving again. I thought that maybe wind might be the problem but the problem persisted even when I was drving at slower speeds in wind-protected areas. I m really worried about how the AP was fine and then degraded while driving without any changing conditions. My wife absolutely refuses to even try AP right now (and I don t blame her). I m a bit more adventurous and I wanted to test these things out however I don t see anyone else having similar problems. I m going to be giving the Service Center another call. Anybody have any ideas what might be the culprit? Are there any magic words I should give the Center? I m in Germany in case that matters. | bremidon | 2020-06-21 17:03:04 | 34 | fvjxkt9 | Post a video so we can judge better. | wwwz | 2020-06-21 17:10:14 | 17 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
ghfquh | Autopilot got worse: it frequently misses exits saying ( Tollbooth Detected ) and there are more invasive warnings to apply force to steering wheel | NoA worked well before but it got worse with the new update (2020.12.11.1 HW 2.5). Now it often incorrectly says Tollbooth Detected when there are overhead signs and then it fails to make exits that it could do before the update. There are also many more audible warnings to apply force to the steering wheel. This can be good for bad lane markings but it happens many times even with well-defined freeway lanes (and my hands are always on the wheel). Is anyone else having issues like these? | melted-butter | 2020-05-11 03:17:51 | 82 | fq8kqvq | Ya the last update introduced some new issues. I assumed it was because of the rewrite of autopilot we ve heard about? This happens sometimes I suspect it will get better. | ENrgStar | 2020-05-11 03:41:30 | 26 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5lau7p | Autopilot hugging the passenger (right) side of the lane? | Following a recent service during which new updates were installed my Model S has started hugging the passenger side of the lane: on enabling it it pulls sharply to the right and will only move towards the center of the lane after a while. Has anyone else seen this happen? | transinit | 2016-12-31 18:09:34 | 18 | dbudct1 | Sounds like one of your ultrasonic sensors on the left side might be getting some abnormal readings. You might need to take it back in! | wwwz | 2016-12-31 20:00:41 | 11 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
46d8se | Autopilot improvements? | So it has been quite some time since I last saw this asked what do you guys who have Autopilot think of how it has improved since it originally was released? | Joe32097 | 2016-02-18 05:30:55 | 12 | d04kwbp | At this point for me autopilot is usable on virtually any road that has DOT striping and can do it all hands-off. I could do most of my driving hands-free except for when I need to take control to obey a traffic light stop sign or make a turn. The exceptions: - My neighborhood roads have no striping and autosteer isn t available at all. I don t blame the tech because it s at least being smart enough to know when it can t activate. - On Interstate 4 at the stretch from about Haines City to Lakeland the road surface is nearly white. The lane markings are alternating black and white stripes. AP will attempt to handle this but does it poorly. It s losing lock on the lane markings so often that it s weaving around the lane quite a bit. It s never given me cause to think it s going to get me hurt but it s not comfortable at all so i disable it and drive like it s 1999. Or 2014. Or a Ford from any year. - I get a Hold the Steering Wheel notice when I am passed on the right in dense traffic. That s odd because when the traffic is really heavy it s not unusual for one lane to move faster than the other periodically. I don t know what triggers it but it s not a big deal. | majesticjg | 2016-02-18 15:46:02 | 7 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
95lhy0 | Autopilot is INCREDIBLE in super heavy rain!!! | Model 3 autopilot: 100% phenomenal performance by autopilot last night. PHENOMENAL. I was driving at night in a complete downpour. I slowed AP progressively to 45 mph because I could barely see at all. I could see just well enough to supervise autopilot but that s it. It can 100% without a doubt see better through the rain than the human eye. It was performing like a superhuman. This is some alien technology. Autopilot is one of the main reasons Tesla is worth $60+ billion. There were other occasions where the wet pavement had reflections that made it nearly impossible to see the lines to my eye autopilot somehow could see them and hold the lane during turns. With all of this being said BE CAREFUL and make sure that you can see well enough to supervise and take over. I was 100% attentive and had a firm grip on the wheel and the visibility was just enough for me to continue allowing the car to drive. | OompaOrangeFace | 2018-08-08 12:18:44 | 631 | e3tl6tn | Noticed this too. Tried a few weeks ago to use AP in my TM3 in significant rain. Visibility was low enough that even as a human driver I felt unsafe. AP handled it perfectly no failures no lane excursions no inappropriate braking or acceleration. Of course I would still caution against using AP in these conditions it was a closely monitored test on my part. | jumpybean | 2018-08-08 12:53:27 | 171 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
mwx662 | Autopilot is a Good Name | This is just my two cents from a relatively new Tesla owner. I hear a lot of dislike for the Autopilot name for Tesla s driver assistance software. People say that this encourages bad habits like trying to have the car drive while asleep or while they are not in the driver s seat. This seems way off-base to me. I will note most of my experience with the aeronautical side of this is on sims and from watching documentaries but it is clear that even in planes autopilot is not a set it and forget it system. If a commercial airliner is on autopilot and a problem occurs the pilots are expected to be immediately ready to intervene. And I m sure there are idiots with private planes that set the autopilot and go to sleep in the cabin with a timer to wake up before landing. But if a crash was to occur and the pilots excuse was autopilot was running so we were taking a break they would be immediately blamed and either go to jail or at least never fly again. This is no different than what a Tesla expects on autopilot. It will take care of the controls most of the time but you better be ready to take over when there is a situation that it can t handle. Now I make no excuse for Musk s claims of Level 5 just around the corner there are way too many situations on autopilot and NOA that the system either can t handle or tries to take in a way that no human driver would find reasonable. But at the same time there is nothing in the car s documentation that would lead me to believe that this is the right way to drive the car. It takes actively looking to bypass safety measures in which case you take the risk into your own hands. Sorry for the rant but I get annoyed at a lot of the articles coming out lately. | tccrouch | 2021-04-23 14:59:31 | 136 | gvkqz59 | I don t have a problem with the name Autopilot. Where it gets muddy is Full Self Driving. I understand it s basically a kickstarter for future capability but there s a lot of new buyers that aren t familiar with all the ins and outs of what it can and can t do and the name is misleading. They should have stuck with Enhanced Autopilot and not started selling FSD until they were ready for a wide rollout of of the FSD beta City Streets feature complete whatever you wanna call it. That is still far from a *fully self driving* car but it s much less ambiguous. It s Level 2 FSD that will improve over time. | TheKobayashiMoron | 2021-04-23 15:27:31 | 78 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
e461p0 | Autopilot is getting amazing right under our noses. | I ve been a daily autopilot user for 1.5 years now and after this past Thanksgiving of traveling I ve realized that highway Autopilot has become incredibly competent. It s been a gradual improvement so it hasn t been shocking but it s so good now that driving on the highway is super solid. Don t get me wrong there are still corner cases but they are becoming much more rare and it s obvious when you come across situations that it might not handle. Previously it might fail in seemingly benign conditions but now it s just great always. | OompaOrangeFace | 2019-12-01 00:02:09 | 595 | f978n2v | I dont have a tesla but you guys comments make me think this the motherfucking future son | TerroristOgre | 2019-12-01 00:58:17 | 214 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
bbhfil | Autopilot isn t on Idiot - Feature | I was driving today and tried to enable autopilot on a back road without lines and it rejected me. Right after I started to drift a little too close to the edge of the road and my Model 3 screeched at me and jerked the car back into the middle of the lane. It appears to address an edge case where a driver tried to engage autopilot and it can t engage but then the driver somehow thinks it IS engaged and lets the car drive and it starts drifting. The car reacts by drastically jerking you back into line and yelling at you as if to so “NO... I said I m NOT driving for you!” This isn t a behavior I d observed before so I renacted the scenario for you here: https: youtu.be Ex_gXNleJLU This is not a behavior I ve seen described on here before either so I thought you d find it interesting. | ENrgStar | 2019-04-10 03:41:53 | 249 | ekiwm5o | That s a pretty damn good feature. | EricTheYellow | 2019-04-10 04:00:33 | 83 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
euys8z | Autopilot issues since last update | So I ve owned a model 3 for nearly 2 years and autopilot has always gotten better every software update until this last release. Here is a list of unusual behavior i ve experienced. 1. Decrease in certain types of front collision detection. Typically autopilot applies a pretty hard brake if you approach a stopped car from behind that is stopped at a stop light. Today from my experience the car did not stop. I had to manually super hard brake because I gave up believing autopilot would brake for me. The vehicle that it apparently didn t see was a white and blue work truck that had sky like colors. Was that the reason? 2. Phantom braking Driving over the top of a hill or approaching an underpass the car brakes or acts timidly. This used to happened years ago but now this behavior has shown up again. Like the car is driving scared. 3. Taking turns too fast and creating a “flashing red steering wheel” situation. This is the same turn it used to navigate perfectly for atleast a year. Now it doesn t know what speed to take the turn and then creates an alert situation. It feels out of control on a sharper turn and doesn t know the proper speed to safely autonavigate it. 4. Too many “cameras can t see because it s too bright” This used to never happen. Same road. Same commute. Happens at time 3-4 times in same commute. 5. Ping ponging in the lane Back and forth. Haven t seen this in a long time. Back again. Love my car and and love Tesla but this last update (10.2 2019.40.50.5) has me a little nervous. Anyone else noticed this? Thanks. | satago | 2020-01-28 02:08:15 | 74 | ffscii3 | 4. Cameras blocked because of sunlight ... this is not since the last update. It s been there for a while now. But the sun is lower in the winter so it blocks the side cameras more easily. 5. Yes. Everyone has noticed the ping-ponging since the last couple of updates. Search for it. Supposedly it s better with HW3. | venture70 | 2020-01-28 02:27:22 | 38 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
4bkk95 | Autopilot knowing incidents hazards and accidents from Waze | Wouldn t it be nice to be driving down with Autopilot enabled and your car automatically notifying you that there is a road hazard coming up soon by communicating with Waze? | ThetaBeast | 2016-03-23 01:48:08 | 25 | d1a0vv9 | Definitely - the re-route around traffic option is ok right now but not great. They already work with Google on the maps so I really hope a near software version upgrade... | dieabetic | 2016-03-23 02:56:51 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
ex2ux1 | Autopilot lane change | I know that only FSD package can perform lane change with turn signal or initiate lane change on its own (and may ask driver to confirm). But with just autopilot can you trigger auto lane change with turn signals? I only have autopilot and have tried to do it but it didn t work though it was state routes and not highway. Would it have to be on highway then? | Chicantttery | 2020-02-01 07:56:51 | 23 | fg5y4h9 | You cannot trigger a lane change with just autopilot on any street you need FSD | LR-AWDM3 | 2020-02-01 07:59:28 | 33 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
b91yi3 | Autopilot lane change swerving and failing almost every time. | Took delivery of the Model 3 mid range last month and everything seemed great. I love the car and it amazes me every single day. However lately my auto lane change future has been very buggy. I didn t notice this during the first couple of weeks because I did not use the feature very much but recently took the car out for a long drive and noticed that the auto lane change barley works. It seems like the car is trying to make the change but last-minute decides to cancel it. At high speeds the car swerves a lot and no warning lights or indicators appear. This is very dangerous. Is this normal behavior? If not this has got me really concerned because how do I know that my sensors are good or if rest of the features are just as unreliable? I ve made a video to show the behavior. This is running v9.0 (2019.5.15) [Link to Video Showing Issue](https: youtu.be 3UAGdBVFsxw) | vigilantehacker | 2019-04-03 18:48:17 | 16 | ek1m0h4 | You should talk to Tesla about it. I noticed that some of your attempts were on a solid white line. That would be an illegal lane change. Maybe that was part of the issue. Definitely seems like the lane change protocol was at times fighting with lane keep assist. | spdngdragon | 2019-04-03 18:54:24 | 12 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
c2mdrq | Autopilot learned to avoid police? | So I use Autopilot a lot. My model3 is my work car driving around 2500 miles month. Many of those miles are on autopilot. Today I had AP on set to 70 in a 60. The car saw a cop on the side of the road reduced speed to 60 passed the police car (lights on at side of the road) then once passed returned to the previous 70 it had been set at. There were no other inputs it seemed to be responding to and the only vehicle highlighted on the screen was a car far in front of me. Loads of room ahead and around me otherwise. Has anyone else experienced the car intelligently seemingly avoiding exceeding the speed limit around police while using AP? | mastmar221 | 2019-06-19 20:39:26 | 32 | erl2rvq | Your car was probably reacting to the car in front... | 110110 | 2019-06-19 20:42:37 | 25 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
f2tahj | Autopilot less confident after HW3 upgrade. | Autopilot less confident after HW3 upgrade. Has anyone else seen this Received my car yesterday after getting the retrofit for HW3. The cameras calibrated and then I turned on Autopilot and noticed it was hugging the left line and bouncing quite a bit. This morning it was still hugging the line and didn t feel near as confident as it did before taking it in. Does anyone know if this is an issue Are the cameras and computer still calibrating in the background for accuracy Or is there a possibility that there is something else at play here? I m hoping that it s just cameras and system still calibrating. | helivatefilms | 2020-02-12 15:58:20 | 16 | fhes0wi | My car had HW3 from the factory. After the V10 update it became unstable in the lane and wanted to pull to the right lane line. Mobile tech tried a recalibration but when that didn t solve the problem I scheduled a service center visit and they replaced the computer with a new one. Now it works great. | StetsonG | 2020-02-12 17:32:09 | 23 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8q2iit | Autopilot literally saved me last night [Discussion] | Last night I was driving back from LA to San Diego and I started around 9:00 pm . I was listening to the podcast on what we can learn from animals from Ted Radio Hour. Almost in midway I woke up to realize I am driving on 5 south and freaked the hell out of me and immediately stopped at rest area to take rest. This is first time happened to me usually i am good at driving at night and also it was only 9:00 pm. Thanks Elon. Edit: I understand autopilot is very sensitive topic but most of the people here thinks i defeated autopilot nags by using a device or something but that is not the case. My hand was still on the steering wheel. | thekalki | 2018-06-10 17:54:26 | 137 | e0fxtqd | DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS PERSON ABOUT HIS AUTOPILOT TRICK this is very dangerous and not how it is to be used. Please edit this out OP and keep the rest of your story | Moronicon | 2018-06-10 18:05:53 | 46 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
smwdxd | Autopilot logs? | Is there any way out there to see how many miles I ve driven on Autopilot vs not? I just got my Y and would love to see how often I put it in AP. Thanks in advance | Scotta2700 | 2022-02-07 17:58:29 | 19 | hvz4iow | OP -- May I follow-up w your post and change the flair to Feature Request ? This would be an awesome metric for drivers to have. Thought we could at least build a discussion around it even though your post is *really* meant for the lounge or the support thread. | 110110 | 2022-02-07 18:28:01 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8y55np | Autopilot not happy at a red light. | Autopilot (2) works great for me in general but I noticed the cars it shows on the dash often jiggle left and right and disappear and reappear. Also this happened... https: photos.app.goo.gl 2eyMfEfVCXkBUvj17 | jsm11482 | 2018-07-12 00:48:10 | 20 | e28bag5 | Upvote because I ve noticed the same thing keep meaning to catch it on video. | james_bell | 2018-07-12 01:51:14 | 11 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
bd7fab | Autopilot not included as standard for LR RWD Model 3? | I decided to call up a store just now to see if I could find an inventory deal for a LR RWD Model 3 (now that they re not being sold online). Better than expected my sales rep found a brand new LR RWD Model 3. Unfortunately he told me the LR RWD Model 3s are void of that Autopilot as standard deal and instead will be charging me $3k for it. Is this correct? Has anyone had any luck with getting AP included as standard for any new LR RWD Model 3s? If so please assist me by providing me your sales rep info! I really am looking to purchase before they raise FSD prices on May 1st. EDIT: A word. | PCGamer08 | 2019-04-14 20:50:38 | 16 | ekwmenw | I m in a weird spot right now. I placed an order for a LR RWD last week (pearl white 19 wheels black interior no AP FSD) and scheduled for delivery this coming week. Totaled $48k before taxes & fees. When Tesla announced that AP is now bundled for free I decided to login to my account to modify my order to include AP. My tesla account page stated that AP was included and that the checkout price was $0 when added. So I proceeded to add AP to my order. Low and behold I get a order modification notification email and they charged me an extra $3k for the thing... So now my order total is $51k before taxes & fees which is $1k5 away from an AWD + AP with the same config as my LR RWD. I ve been texting back and forth with my Sales Rep and he says that Tesla is not planning to add AP for free for current LR RWD models. I told the sales rep that I ll put my delivery on hold until I figure out this whole situation. Yesterday morning someone from the delivery service called me to confirm my delivery this coming week. I told her the same thing I told the sales rep on Friday. Interestingly enough she called again in the afternoon saying that she just got out of a long meeting where Tesla is bundling AP for current pending LR RWD orders and that I should see an adjustment in my account some time this weekend (total should now be $51k - $3k AP - $500 pearl white paint reduction = $47.5k). I texted my sales rep the same information she told me and have yet to receive a response. Been checking my order page and my account still totals $51k for the order. I ll see how this unfolds on Monday... & #x200B Update: The official Tesla response that was given to me: current new used inventory of LR RWD does not come bundled with AP and you d have to pay extra for the feature (not sure how much extra but it was showing $3k for me). I ended up telling them to remove AP from my order and adjust the paint price so the official price is $47.5k (pearl white 19 wheels black interior no AP FSD) | BourbonX | 2019-04-15 00:01:01 | 15 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
awpn4p | Autopilot now can recognize stoplines | As of 2019.4 we have stoplines detection enabled in public firmwares here are samples from day: https: youtu.be ROHW3sm2j0g and night: https: youtu.be 3fKW5eHu1Hg Probably to be further integrated into NoA soon? Another notable addition is firmware side support for limited-soc superchargers (that one test site in CA is now unmarked so the rollout to come at a later time it looks like?) | greentheonly | 2019-03-03 02:46:02 | 824 | ehoade2 | Wow really cool to see the overlays for what the car recognizes. I m really curious how it is estimating the location of the stop line when [it s not even visible.](https: i.imgur.com StanqTs.jpg) I guess based on the adjacent lane? Although in that screenshot though it is hardly recognizable there s a stop line for the adjacent lane lane. Wonder if GPS is being used in same manner to tell the car that there s a stop line located somewhere in the area? | Dr_Pippin | 2019-03-03 03:12:38 | 104 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
pkazl2 | Autopilot occasionally not accepting my input | I ll try to capture a video of this activity but has anyone else experienced scenarios where no matter what you do turn the wheel or increase decrease the volume that autopilot will not accept the input? The only option I ve found is to cancel autopilot and re-enable it. Anyone have any other troubleshooting steps or solutions? I wonder if I shot myself in the foot with an autopilot setting? Version: 2021.24.10 Car: 2020 M3 Edit: for clarity I m referring to the “nag” the autopilot does where it requests the driver slightly turn the steering wheel. | de1irium-trigger | 2021-09-08 13:55:16 | 32 | hc2t906 | I ve had this happen to me where after I think 30 miles of AP it wouldn t accept any input. I usually do the right stalk down one click. But after 20 miles it would accept it and the nag wouldn t go away. I canceled AP and re-enabled to go another 30miles for it to happen again | dirtbikerr450 | 2021-09-08 16:47:50 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
bs4itp | Autopilot on 2019.16 | So I ve been evaluating Autopilot on 2019.16 in Europe for the last two days and the changes... aren t pretty. The 5-second Auto Lane Change timeout is way too short. If traffic is fairly busy there is almost no way to signal a lane change and allow the traffic enough time to let you in. If the lane change algorithm was a little more aggressive it _could_ possibly work but as it is ALC really only works in light traffic. Consequently Navigate on Autopilot s lane change suggestions are pretty useless if you want to follow them on Autopilot. I d say this would be less of a problem if unattended lane changed would be allowed in Europe because then AP can figure out on its own when to make lane changes instead of continuously bothering the driver with lane changes that cannot possibly be completed. At least the speed-based suggestions can be disabled. For some reason NoA _will_ change onto an exit lane and onto the highway from an on-ramp fully autonomously which is pretty cool. So why are _those_ unattended lane change allowed but not others? Beats me. Another thing I noticed is that ALC does not work on limited-access roads (expressways) anymore even though this _was_ working in 2019.12. It worked just as well as on highways so the reason why it was disabled now is beyond me. Doesn t seem very unsafe to allow ALC on roads where the speed limit is often 80-100 km h (50-60 mph). Furthermore I noticed the lane detection is much worse than in 2019.12. It often doesn t see any lanes even on a wide 6-lane highway and thus not allowing ALC. No idea why that is. Maybe I need a camera recalibration? The Autosteer angle limitation does not bother me that much. Sure it is standing in the way of full “on-ramp to off-ramp” autonomous driving but when on the highway most of my time is spent going pretty much straight not making sharp turns. So I can live with that one for now. Here s to hoping Tesla will be able to talk to local regulators and convice them that Autopilot is much more capable than the regulations are allowing it to be. Pretty please? | mlowi | 2019-05-23 15:45:07 | 25 | eoivf3z | I postponed the update for now because of this. However for me the 5 second timeout ALC is already present in 2018.12.2 as well. I can t believe European regulators are imposing these kind of overbearing micromanaging rules. This has to stop. | Teslaninja | 2019-05-23 16:15:10 | 14 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
3p1p6e | Autopilot on roads with oncoming traffic (significant danger?) | I m feeling both excited and nervous about Tesla s wide release of the Autopilot beta. I ve been seeing many videos of people driving with it on roads where there is no median between them and oncoming traffic. This is in stark contrast with my understanding that it is only to be used where there is a barrier between you and oncoming traffic. I m posting this here because my spidey-senses are expecting there to be a head-on collision if people continue doing this. Am I being overly paranoid? Or does survey say that it is very unwise for people to be using Autopilot with no median? (especially > 50 mph) | danielbigham | 2015-10-16 22:24:00 | 48 | cw2gexs | It s really irritating how everything critical of autosteer is getting downvoted to nothing in this sub right now because I think there are serious issues with it as it is currently. I m as huge a fanboy of this company as anyone in here. I would buy an S tomorrow if I had the money. But there are clear problems with autopilot that have become obvious in just the last day alone. I count at least 3 youtube videos demonstrating SERIOUSLY dangerous behavior of the technology already. The technology **IS going to cause a severe accident** in short order at this rate. All of the arguments and hectoring against people posting these videos showing dangerous AP behavior are fatuous in the extreme typically along the lines of you aren t supposed to be using it there . Bullshit. The AP technology has the ability to read road signs and follow road markings so if Tesla is going to say that it should only be used on highways and not non-separated roads *put a fucking software block in the thing to make it impossible to enable on roads where it sees double lines in the middle of the road*. People are going to use this technology in ways that push its limits that s what users of any new technology do. To use the Jobsian bullshit response of don t hold it that way doesn t fly anymore when we re talking about a multi ton vehicle barreling down the road at 65mph. | AndyAndrophile | 2015-10-17 00:00:00 | 30 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
2j1cio | Autopilot on the Autobahn | I was just wondering if the Autopilot is Autobahn-ready? On the demos it appeared that the car tried to drive at speed-limit but what if there s none? Will it go as fast as it can? Also it appears to me that you d need an additional rear-facing long range radar since it can happen that you re creeping behind a semi @ 80kph and want to overtake it (on the left as this is the only legal way in Germany) but since there could (worst case) be a 300kph Bugatti one lane to the left it has to look way further back than the ~15m sonars (it appeared in the presentation that it covers ~3 lane-widths) can. How does Tesla deal with that? TL DR: How fast will it drive? How does it deal with high speed-differences? | secondlamp | 2014-10-12 16:40:32 | 25 | cl7fcbg | It would accelerate to your predetermined speed. You set the cruisecontrol at say 150 if you come up behind a lorry the car will slow down and keep a safe distance. As soon as you change lane it will accelerate back up to 150 or up to the speed of a car it sees in that lane. As for cars coming fast behind it can t see them with the current tech. The sensors only work for cars moving at normal speeds. | Ninj4s | 2014-10-12 17:01:52 | 9 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
f9ouej | Autopilot performance after upgrading to FSD | For anyone that has started off with basic autopilot and then has upgraded to FSD have you noticed a difference in the performance of autopilot on the highway? I haven t upgraded and the performance of the basic autopilot drives me a little crazy when I m in the slow lane and the car swerves to the right each time I pass an exit the lines for the merging lane disappear and the car tries to center itself in a newly super wide lane. I had my car in the shop for a while and had a loaner Model S with EAP. The car was rock solid in the same sections. My current car is a M3 SR+ built in May 2019 with HW3. | Dimmly | 2020-02-26 06:09:46 | 24 | fisza4c | No FSD does not make autopilot lane keep any better. | xtothel | 2020-02-26 06:21:42 | 62 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
exrm0o | Autopilot problems on 2020.4.1 | Drove my 2018 X75D on a long drive yesterday. I had frequent instances where autopilot was engaged and it would suddenly sound the alert and flash the red hands “take control immediately” warning at me and disengage AP. Also had a couple instances where it beeped angrily and flashed the red hands when I tried to engage AP. More instances of phantom braking and incorrect speed limits too. Overall AP felt much less stable and reliable than ever before. Is this happening to everyone? It was raining hard and I have experience with AP in heavy rain so I know it has limitations. This seemed extraordinarily unpredictable however. | kkicinski | 2020-02-02 17:19:16 | 29 | fgdn8tp | I m having the same problems. Phantom braking is worse than ever. | Libercrat | 2020-02-02 22:59:23 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7uauml | Autopilot range efficiency | Probably just a feature request and I don t know where to share this so this seems good. When I ve done road trips in my Model X75D (LA to Vegas and back) I ve noticed that efficiency is an ongoing concern to the trip you plan as well as everyday autopilot use. I think these efficiency decreases are based on two (largest) factors: uphill downhill driving and wind resistance. Making the drive from LA to Vegas you get a mix of both variables. For the current autopilot couldn t they implement efficiency optimization (perhaps as a component to range mode ) that recognizes uphill downhill driving and adjusts autopilot speed accordingly? For example disregarding speed limits if you set your vehicle to 80mph and engaged autopilot your Tesla might try to take a all grades of uphill drive at 80mph which doesn t have optimal efficiency. Now suppose if the Tesla recognized uphill driving and slowed down accordingly to perhaps just 5mph slower (or more) than your autopilot speed setting you d reap the benefits of a lower speed by seeing less battery loss during that uphill portion. While downhill driving has the benefit of regenerative braking to help the battery why not have speed adjustments to decrease the efficiency drop during uphill drives. The car is already aware of the need to slow or keep speed below certain levels to ensure you reach a supercharger so why not adjustments like this on the go? | vertigo3pc | 2018-01-31 15:54:39 | 15 | dtiucd8 | I ve thought about having this - but I d want it to be optional. There are times it drives me nuts that people slow down on inclines. Other times (like to Vegas) I totally agree since you re in the middle of nowhere and the efficiency gain would be nice. | dirtyfries | 2018-01-31 15:59:57 | 19 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
3q4qgl | Autopilot released in the UK | brb obviously | Mozzius | 2015-10-25 08:57:36 | 27 | cwc2cgz | I got it yesterday in Germany. Taken it out a few times on the Autobahn and was really impressed with how well it works. Even handled a construction zone perfectly following the yellow markings instead of the white lines scattered throughout. I imagine when there s majorly updated Autopilot in three or four years it won t have the same speed restriction of 150kmh--with the current car 180 would be about perfect--but other than that it s even better than I expected. | biciklanto | 2015-10-25 11:05:36 | 12 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
f1dlqh | Autopilot rewrite with 3d labeling is only starting to use FSD computer s potential | Elon Musk revealed a [foundational Autopilot rewrite](https: youtu.be _a6lF2Ss3G4?t=81) to combine planning perception and image recognition trained on 3d-labeled data and this departs from primarily focusing on individually-labeled main camera frames that has worked great for highway Autopilot optimized for HW2. This is likely to address the remaining concerns back in October from [2019 Q3 earning call](https: www.fool.com earnings call-transcripts 2019 10 24 tesla-inc-tsla-q3-2019-earnings-call-transcript.aspx): “Now we need to work on solving the intermediate portion which is traffic lights and stop signs and navigating through … windy narrow roads in suburban neighborhoods.” Notably windy roads are difficult because the lane edges can leave the view of the main camera and similarly traffic lights and stop signs can be hard to see from the stop line when using only the main camera. Here s a screenshot from a [greentheonly video](https: youtu.be OdKA5Y7nXMY?t=25) where Fisheye camera has enough vision to predict the yellow lines while Main camera barely sees the right edge of the destination lane and fails to make a lane prediction. [View greentheonly city neural network output screenshot](https: preview.redd.it z03juk7l3yf41.jpg?width=2240& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=2983ccfd493730bc4c20e384c7f486c7f8c59603) Also from greentheonly videos you can count the frames between neural network updates where Main camera updates every frame while all other cameras update every 4th frame. This sampling is likely limited by Autopilot optimized for HW2 to handle 99 total frames per second using up \~90% of the compute budget. But with FSD computer having 21 times the capacity this sampled frame rate is only \~5% of the budget and going to full 36 frame per second from 8 cameras would increase to \~14% of compute. (For reference a 4-frame delay = 111ms at 60mph 100km h highway speeds is 10 feet 3 meters.) One main benefit of FSD computer treating all cameras equally means the neural network can make a unified prediction based on the combined vision instead of having the neural network make individual predictions for some frames then post-process stitching together that information. Again referring to the greentheonly screenshot notice how Left Pillar labels Bus ID 29 but misses it in Fisheye while L. Truck is ID 2 in Imm-Left Lane from Left Pillar conflicts with ID 21 in My Lane from Fisheye. These conflicting neural network outputs makes it undesirable to write code to decide which outputs to trust vs discard so that s why current Autopilot just simply favors information from Main camera e.g. predicted path traffic light color visualizations. To be clear this all camera Autopilot should fill in the prediction gaps of Main camera by seamlessly using Fisheye camera and Pillar cameras as necessary. So windy roads and just-out-of-sight green lights shouldn t be a problem anymore and this should also fix visualization issues of duplicate vehicles from multiple cameras as well as smoothly slowing down for stopped vehicles seen earlier by Narrow camera. & #x200B Last June at [International Conference on Machine Learning (ICML)](https: slideslive.com 38917690 multitask-learning-in-the-wilderness) Andrej Karpathy mentioned compute budget constraints on the design of the neural network architecture leading to the multi-task structure needing separate outputs stitched together. Below is his slide showing path prediction using two heads (unlabeled shaded rectangles at the top) that pull data from different sets of cameras and potentially the architecture with the rewrite is to have a single path prediction head based on all cameras and likely many other aspects of the architecture have been combined and simplified with the rewrite. [View Karpathy path prediction architecture](https: preview.redd.it 85sezo6p3yf41.png?width=1662& format=png& auto=webp& s=0c649cfd07ff52ce8e6da433e9b7f74575261ac4) Karpathy also showed at [PyTorch DevCon](https: youtu.be oBklltKXtDE?t=279) late last year a top-down road layout prediction directly from a recurrent neural network instead of needing traditional C++ code to stitch up multiple image-space predictions. So the rewrite seems to be reassessing previous constraints and moving to the next level of taking advantage of FSD computer s additional compute budget to use all cameras to make 3d-labeled predictions that also leverages Tesla s ability to gather a lot of training data at 288 frames per second. & #x200B Even when improving existing predictions by using all cameras at full frame rate FSD computer still has a lot more capacity for more outputs. If one considers Autopilot optimized for HW2 as using 5% of FSD computer capability providing quite amazing highway driving feature today and the all camera Autopilot using 15% it s exciting to think of what Tesla + FSD computer can do with the remaining compute for 5 additional features that match the complexity the all camera Autopilot. | harikaried | 2020-02-09 19:27:31 | 1,203 | fh4lgkg | Can someone ELI5 please? | LilHitla | 2020-02-09 20:22:42 | 163 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8qqa1b | Autopilot saves | I see a lot of press about autopilot fails so I thought I d share my autopilot save. I was traveling west on the 10 freeway in Los Angeles. Traffic wasn t too bad and we were moving along about 60 MPH with autopilot engaged. Unexpectedly my Model 3 started quickly but smoothly slowing down even though the car in front of me wasn t. Just as I was starting to wonder why perhaps half a second later the car in front of me *slammed* on the brakes and skidded to a stop narrowly avoiding a collision with the car in front of it. My car then smoothly came to a stop with plenty of space to spare. The Model 3 clearly detected (perhaps by radar?) that traffic ahead of the car in front of me was coming to a stop. I m not sure what would have happened had we been in our other ICE car. | gchil0 | 2018-06-13 06:37:33 | 306 | e0l7rne | I ve experienced the same exact thing countless times now. If anything this is the part of AP that s bullet proof. | bradbrok | 2018-06-13 07:00:35 | 125 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
4880d6 | Autopilot should avoid blindspots | I took a small road trip on I-95 today and noticed an unexpected issue when auto pilot is on that I hadn t noticed before – it doesn t avoid blindspots. On three separate occasions auto pilot was following the vehicle in-front of me perfectly fine BUT was in the blindspot of the vehicle next to me which resulted in near-misses as these vehicles attempted to merge into my lane. Of course it was not the fault of auto pilot itself but it s a human error that happens often and most of us (I think) know to avoid by staying out of the blindspots of others when possible. It would be nice if auto pilot was aware of its position to other vehicles next to it and avoid driving in blindspots for too long. I figured I d share that experience. Has anyone else had issues similar to this? | RandomSuccess | 2016-02-29 03:05:26 | 95 | d0hmnxj | Great Idea!! I always try an avoid other people s blind spots when I drive it makes sense that the car would want to avoid them too. I would be surprised if Tesla doesn t eventually add this feature. | SuperSonic6 | 2016-02-29 03:22:03 | 28 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
9c3a91 | Autopilot slamming brakes on empty tollway 3 times within one drive | I was just chugging along dallas north tollway trying to show off autopilot to my significant other and it was doing great until it randomly slammed the brakes while on a straight road with no one in front of us. It did this 2 more times before my SO had enough of it and told me to drive manually. I know this issue has been brought up before but I was wondering if there was supposed to be a fix that I missed. My Model 3 is already at the latest firmware. I have also tried submitting bug reports via voice command but it too did not want to work. I told my SO I think my car hates you but my SO wasn t too impressed and I feel slightly embarrassed after bragging so much about my Model 3. Any advice for this new Model 3 owner? *** FAQ: * **Shadows? Debris? Metal plates?** nope it was a clear road with no debris no overpass no metal plates. * **Direction? Cars?** was on a very slight downslope with nothing else on the road. * **Direct sunlight** wasn t a FAQ but yes the sun was setting in front of the car maybe disrupted the sensors...? * **Any speed limit changes?** nope did not change speed limit at all. * **What do you mean by slamming the brakes ** It slowed down very abruptly not sure if it was going to a full stop or not because I took over before then. * **Did you submit a bug report?** I tried saying submit bug report but just got try again error. I know better now to say bug report... blah blah blah | thrftshxp | 2018-09-01 14:06:20 | 85 | e57oo4r | Unfortunately this is what you should expect from the car. It s great when it works but it s not a polished experience. Everyone using AP now is an early adopter and there will be growing pains like this. Even something like make your following distance shorter is a ridiculous solution to me. The software simply isn t perfect and you should treat it with suspicion when you re trusting your safety to it. For example driving down a 70mph interstate on my work commute my 2018.32.2 software inexplicably thinks the speed limit drops to 40mph when going under the same overpass everyday. Now that I know I apply slight pressure on the accelerator to prevent the car from suddenly breaking. I m getting in the habit of applying this slight pressure when using AP to prevent suddenly breaking now. Especially if there is a car following behind me. When things like this happen make sure to use the voice command Report + a brief description of what happened. | redphan | 2018-09-01 14:31:54 | 28 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7s7d1y | Autopilot thoughts | I gotta say... Sitting on the 405 in traffic is almost fun now with autopilot. I mean it takes all the stress of getting somewhere completely out. I feel bad for all the ice cars that weave in and out of lanes and add to their frustration for the day lol | sharkradarguy | 2018-01-22 17:32:06 | 74 | dt2ii51 | I like that I m no longer as worried about being in the very fastest lane. When it s not stressing you out the extra four minutes isn t relevant. | majesticjg | 2018-01-22 17:38:44 | 51 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
3smktn | Autopilot to improve driving behavior?? | As someone who commutes on a busy highway I am continuously stuck behind someone doing 5 under the speed limit in the fast lane and I recently went on a trip to Germany that was GLORIOUS. Everyone moves over! It was amazing their traffic just flows! Those big signs that say Slower Traffic Keep Right actually do serve a purpose it seems! Who would have thought??? Anyways let s say that Autopilot is sensing that there are no cars in front of you but cars on your a$$ and a clear lane to the right. Should it popup with a display box that says Slower Traffic Keep Right or something of the sort? Maybe Move right to let vehicles pass ? Obviously switch right -> left for backwards countries like England and Australia but what do you think of the potential here to actually spur decent law abiding behavior on our god-foresaken hellways? | dumdeedumdum0 | 2015-11-13 04:41:36 | 11 | cwymae9 | How about Tailgater detected Suggest moving right ? | Perma_dude | 2015-11-13 05:30:40 | 5 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
4yozeh | Autopilot users: have you ever had someone try to come into your lane while Autopilot was engaged? | I m wondering what the car would do. Do the collision-avoidance systems kick in and take evasive action? Does Autopilot disengage? I haven t had this happen to me yet and hope it doesn t but I wonder about it whenever I use Autopilot with other cars around. | charmedlife99 | 2016-08-20 13:16:46 | 16 | d6pc6ss | Not a user but [there s videos of AP avoiding cars coming into lanes](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=0-M3RY9lSks). One of the [more popular ones](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=9I5rraWJq6E) was actually posted by the person that died in the Tesla crash a couple months ago that made all the news. In those two instances AP stayed on. | rnelsonee | 2016-08-20 13:20:42 | 16 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
56l1rv | Autopilot v8.0 Early Braking Better? Video | Went on a real quick drive today with the new 8.0 update I received last night. Do you think the braking is a little smoother on stopped traffic ahead of you? I felt like it was at around 50 mph. What is everyone else feedback? I thought it was very late on the 7.1 and didn t really trust it much? Has anyone tried on interstate? planning on it tomorrow. Here is a quick video: https: youtu.be 4SU97uCDC_0 | TeslaFamily | 2016-10-09 06:02:31 | 14 | d8ka0ra | Something is missing in auto-pilot: Auto-pilot should if it can tell you what it s going to do in a couple of seconds. As the driver of the car is saying he was worried under 7.1 if the car would brake or not but there is no indication of that. Under 8.0 it s better but like always you still have to be on guard. If there was something in the dashboard that indicated *intent* during normal conditions like a dashed line to the car in front of it if the distance is narrowing too quickly that would make using auto-pilot less tense because there is a visual indication that braking is about to take place. Then also indication of other cars should always be true that is it displays exactly what the car is detecting right now and not some kind of reduced display. I actually wouldn t mind if the indication wasn t really other cars but a simpler radar readout of obstacles. I think that over time this gives the driver more comfort in knowing better what the auto-pilot is seeing compared to what the driver is seeing. | moofunk | 2016-10-09 09:14:18 | 14 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
eoxry7 | Autopilot veered off on uneven surface on a freeway. | That was unexpected. I have done over 15.000 miles on autopilot and I m very happy with it. I have driven over this little dent in the freeway hundreds of times without any issues until yesterday. The car veered off without any warning. No blinker no chimes no flashing warnings on the console. I could feel that the autopilot was turning the steering wheel left. Luckily I was paying attention and I took over in the nick of time. There was a car in the lane on the left and I m sure he wasn t pleased with that maneuver either. It goes to show that one really should keep a hand on the steering wheel when driving on autopilot. Dashcam video: [https: imgur.com 4F0bkVz](https: imgur.com 4F0bkVz) | overprocrastinations | 2020-01-15 05:02:18 | 304 | fefuioz | that s really weird with the clear lane lines | Pak14life | 2020-01-15 05:20:25 | 122 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6qbhvv | Autopilot vs Enhanced Autopilot | What do you get as standard in this category? What can regular Autopilot do? It seem misleading to call it Enhanced AP if it s actually the lowest AP you can get. I guess the sensors will be used for AEB but is that it? Is there *any* cruise control as standard? | dst87 | 2017-07-29 15:20:44 | 17 | dkvzwmh | The naming is misleading - the enhanced autopilot option is really to enable what most think as just autopilot | username868 | 2017-07-29 15:37:02 | 13 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
bauia5 | Autopilot vs. Brake Wear | Perhaps my Google-Fu needs some work but I can t find anything more recent than an a year or so on this. I recently purchased and started regularly using Autopilot after owning the Model 3 for about 10 months. I had been washing my car once or twice a month and hadn t noticed much if any brake dust on the rims. After using AP for the last month however I noticed a normal (for an ICE) amount of brake dust. I know AP uses regen braking (I can see the green line) but it also seems to use the brakes more than I would normally. Is this the price we pay (worth it) for AP? I assume this comes with some loss of range as well? https: i.redd.it 0mu580vgx1r21.jpg | nullgel | 2019-04-08 14:32:03 | 14 | ekeayne | AP TACC absolutely brake more than a reasonable human would. It does consume more energy than you would driving reasonably in the same traffic. It has no optimization for trying to maximize regen if it needs to slow down with friction brakes it does. A couple years ago downvoted into oblivion for suggesting AP uses more energy probably by people that had never used AP. | EOMIS | 2019-04-08 16:24:42 | 29 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
899bwc | Autopilot vs. other TACC systems | Hey there knowledgable folks. I ve got a question that I ve tried to search for but I m having a hard time. I m hoping the great people of the Tesla subreddit can help. Many car companies have full-speed TACC that will bring the car to 0 mph if the car in front of you is stopped. And it will start moving again when the car in front starts to move (within 1 second) or requires you to manually restart with a tap of the accelerator or a click of the RESUME button (within 5 seconds). However for safety reasons I presume after 5 seconds TACC disengages all together and you have to take over. I know this to be true for Subaru s Eyesight system and Volvo s Pilot Assist. I assume it s the same for most other TACC systems. Compared to those systems how does Tesla s Autopilot system work? Can it stayed stop in stop-n-go traffic for an indefinite amount of time and start again when the car in front moves? | phrills | 2018-04-03 04:09:01 | 29 | dwpnghb | It will stay on in stop and go traffic | gwoz8881 | 2018-04-03 04:10:33 | 15 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
qn535q | Autopilot w o FSD | Can we discuss how absolutely wonderful autopilot is on its own? I d never choose another driver assistance interface after owning a Tesla. Autopilot for all! 🤍 | m3posted | 2021-11-05 06:35:54 | 224 | hje9b4p | As a non fsd owner I m hoping we get a huge improvement on autopilot derived from fsd code. Not only on object perception but especially time persistency and overall safety. | MikeMelga | 2021-11-05 09:41:25 | 121 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
dgimt0 | Autopilot will now merge over when traffic cones close off a lane! | I just wanted to report what I experienced last night - I m driving down an interstate and was in the passing lane. As the car in front of me merged over I realize there s a line of traffic cones that gradually merge my lane over and close it off. As traffic happened to work out around me - I ended up with no one in the lane to my right and no one behind me for quite a ways so I decided to see what Autopilot would do. The last time I tried this was a few months ago and I was forced to take over at the last second and quickly change lanes. This time was different. As soon as the cones started to come into the lane I noticed autopilot starting to hug the right side of the lane. Then as the cones kept coming Autopilot used them as a left-side barrier and it allowed itself to be forced into the next lane! The next step will be something more proactive - like seeing the lane closure ahead of time and using the turn signal to make a legit lane change but it was exciting to see Autopilot handle a scenario that it previously couldn t! Made my night. Additional [maybe] relevant info - these traffic cones were of the large drum-shaped variety. I m not sure if it would respond the same way to the smaller type cones. If you test this yourself it goes without saying - be extremely careful! Or just don t. I m not sure how the car would have reacted if there had been traffic to my right or if there would have been a Semi 2 lanes over etc. | Setheroth28036 | 2019-10-11 17:46:50 | 81 | f3bv6nt | I can tell you this has done this for a whlie now. There was a path that was *very* tight S curve and it followed it perfectly it was insane. Basically [this](https: imgur.com a z3nXva9 ). | 110110 | 2019-10-11 17:55:34 | 32 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9tfzvl | Autopilot will turn left in intersections. | I was just driving and I was at a stop light in a left turn lane. There are two lanes that turn left. There are two cars ahead of me and none in the adjacent turn lane. I have AP enabled so it can start moving for me. I let it do its thing instead of disabling. It went all the way through the turn and it told me to tug on the wheel at the end of the turn instead of freaking out. Pretty cool. It s an AP 2.0 car with 2018.42.2 | Yaro_S | 2018-11-02 02:09:42 | 15 | e8w101u | Doesn t always work but when it does it s pretty cool! As long as you pay close attention it s really fun to test Autopilot at its limits. You really see the progress the team is making from update to update! | chillaban | 2018-11-02 02:15:05 | 19 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
iro4na | Autopilot with no one in driver s seat?? | There is a TMZ video going around showing drunken youngsters in a Tesla going down the highway at substantial speed with no one in the driver s seat! Most cars have an alarm that beeps when no seat belt is attached and also a sensor for the presence of a passenger. It is hard for me to believe that autopilot can be engaged without a body in the driver s seat. I m not including a link (don t know how) but a simple internet search for TMZ and Tesla autopilot should bring it up. Is this really possible? | leorob | 2020-09-13 00:23:50 | 12 | g539og4 | It s possible and really dangerous. Any system can be fooled weight in the seat belt on an empty seat: ready to go. On a stretch of not too busy highway this would work but anything strange on the way or in your path and you re dead. It still does unexpected dangerous things. | ZetaPower | 2020-09-13 11:24:41 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
cahjws | Autopilot worse on 2019.20.4.2? | I ve noticed the last update I had was much smoother on autopilot. This update seems like a downgrade in terms of fantom breaking and an increasing number of last second lane change cancellations (when I m almost in the other lane it decides to violently whip me back into the previous lane for no reason). This update just in general feels a lot more squirrley and I m way less confident than I used to be on autopilot. Anyone else notice this too or is it just me? | sackingsfan98 | 2019-07-08 06:37:09 | 21 | et9gkag | Yes I just got back from a 600-mile (each way) road trip and had far more phantom braking and aborted lane changes than ever before. | mishakhill | 2019-07-08 14:32:58 | 9 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
n4klr4 | Autopilot: sudden sustained change in behavior | Hi Tesla fam I am posting the following not necessarily because I hope that one of you might have a solution (although that would be nice) but to see if my Tesla is the only one that has experienced the following. My 2016 Model X (90D AP2.0 HW3.0 FSD package paid for 22” wheels) had a nail in the right rear tire. The service center did not have new tires in stock so they switched out the affected 22” wheel with a 20” loaner. I drove around for three weeks until two new rear tires were in stock. A wheel alignment was done the same day the new tires were installed. Getting on the highway after having picked my X up from the service center I immediately noticed that my car on highway autopilot was continually wavering back-and-forth in the lane doing the so-called ping pong effect. Even during lane changes the car would stutter- meaning it would do lane changes in a jerking stuttering back-and-forth type manner. My Model X has never before done this. It was running 2021.4.12 before and after the appointment. I did the foot on brake keep scroll wheels pressed reset as well as the power off in the safety& security menu. No luck. I took my beloved X back to the service center they held it for a week switched out one of the forward-facing cameras did troubleshooting with engineering and were not able to find any issues in hardware or software. Yet my car did not (does not) drive on autopilot the way it did in the four years prior to the service center wheel alignment tire replacement appointment. To my absolute disgust my service center tells me that the car is operating within normal limits. At times on highway autopilot the car ping-pongs to the extent that I have to turn the thing off. As a long-term Model X owner TSLA bull and overall supporter of Tesla s mission I am simply astounded by the situation I find myself in. Has anyone else out there heard of this happening? TL DR: My Model X with FSD package suddenly started doing the ping-pong effect while on highway autopilot after a service center appointment for two new rear wheel and wheel alignment. | ByThePowrOfGreyskull | 2021-05-04 10:00:09 | 29 | gwxvlpk | My car is weird. When the alignment was off the car would stay perfectly centered in the lane while on AP. When I got the alignment fixed? It started ping-ponging. It took about a week for the car to return back to normal. It s almost like the car was trying to compensate for an alignment issue that doesn t exist anymore. Once it figured out that there isn t an issue anymore it went back to normal. Maybe give it a week or so of daily driving to see if it fixes itself? | UnsolicitedPeanutMan | 2021-05-04 19:53:36 | 15 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
6ob9we | Autopiloting cross country: a 2015-2017 comparison | TL DR autopiloting cross country was great in 2015 and is still great. I first [traveled cross country in my Model S in 2015](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 3q33rl i_am_autopiloting_my_way_across_the_us_i_sleep_in ) shortly after AP1 was introduced. Two years later I just got back from my second supercharged cross country trip and thought that I d share a comparison with last time. Both trips were made in the same late 2014 P85D (AP1). 1. **Autopilot Comparison** 1. Wow Autopilot nagging is a real thing! I don t notice in my daily drives since I typically rest my hand on the steering wheel which prevents the nag and my daily drives are ~20 minutes. But in 2015 I used to be able to sit back for an hour s stretch on long flat areas in the midwest plains and southwestern deserts. Definitely not possible anymore now that it s on a timer. 2. The tendency to unintentionally take offramps seems to have actually gotten a little worse. 3. I finally experienced the phantom braking that people have been complaining about. It was never very aggressive and was never unsafe but was an occasional annoyance. I d say it happened 10-12 times over the 7 000 mile trip. 4. Truck lust has been (mostly) fixed. Used to be a very dangerous bug now just mildly dangerous :) 5. Despite these minor complaints AP definitely seems smoother and more reliable in general. I loved AP1 when it came out and still think it s the best thing. Sorry AP2 guys you don t know what you re missing :) 2. **Supercharging Comparison** 1. So many new superchargers! Love being able to explore new states such as Iowa and Nebraska which were previously unavailable via supercharging. 2. So many crowds! In 2015 I was usually the only one at any SC. Was surprised at how rare that was the case especially in PA and the midwest. 3. In 2015 many SC visits came with owner chats or random strangers asking about the car. This happened far less frequently this time. 4. Many SCs have expanded! For example Barstow CA had maybe 8 in 2015? It now has 16! 5. I still have never had to wait at a SC even in popular CA SCs like Barstow Harris Ranch and Gilroy. In fact every CA site I stopped in was HUGE with 16+ SCs. 6. The [Superchargers iPhone app](https: itunes.apple.com us app superchargers-for-tesla id1056496235?mt=8) is super useful! Really nice being able to see POIs and comments checkins left by other drivers. 7. Most new SCs have a pull through spot which people often comment is for those towing a trailer however they are still useless for towing because a trailer would jut out into traffic. 8. I was in the middle of the Southwestern heat wave (many days over 105 deg!) and Supercharging tended to slow down a lot in the heat. Would often start at 115kW and immediately drop down to 40-50kW even with low SoC. 9. Elon s [tweet about being able to reach every point in the contiguous US](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 884914920130723840) is complete bullshit. WTF Elon? **EDIT**: maybe not see below 3. **Navigation Comparison** 1. Tesla nav still sucks. Compared to Waze it plots longer routes and doesn t recognize traffic very well. It also wanted me to take several illegal turns while navigating to and from SCs. 2. Having said that the time estimates have improved a great deal and were usually very close with a few weird exceptions where it said it would take 90 minutes to go 25 miles. 3. The feature that shows how occupied a SC is is wholly unreliable. I get that it s supposed to be delayed but there were times when it would say a site had 2 8 stalls open I d get there and be the only one there for the entire session and it said only 2 8 stalls open the whole time. 4. **Miscellaneous** 1. I didn t go online very often so it was weird getting my Tesla news from sources other than r teslamotors. 2. My Blackvue dr650 dashcam ceased all motor functions I think it may have fried in the southwestern heat wave. I saw a funky brown Model 3 with something weird attached on the roof while supercharging at Dublin CA but have no evidence alas. 3. [Did I break a record](http: imgur.com OFLvZo6)? Sorry for potato I think the heat addled my phone as well as my brain. 130 degrees F in Death Valley! 4. I will probably flood r superchargers with pics over the next few days. | EatMoarToads | 2017-07-19 20:30:02 | 29 | dkg3kro | Nice write up thanks for sharing. > Elon s tweet about being able to reach every point in the contiguous US is complete bullshit. WTF Elon? How about one way trips? | Dr_Pippin | 2017-07-19 21:16:49 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
mriwwl | Autosteer | My late 2015 Model S was in for service the past few days and I was assigned a new Model 3 as a loaner car. Firstly it s a great car. Nimble and a blast to drive. The minimalist dash is not my cup of tea but I love the dash vents. There is one difference that really stood out to me though. I have AP1 in my Model S. It is labeled Autosteer (beta) (as a side note how it can still be beta software after 5 and 1 2 years is beyond me - at this point I guess it will never be finished). I love Autopilot and if I am on a divided highway 99% of the time it s active. I trust it and it really helps on long trips. Man did the current Autopilot (Autosteer) seem like a big step backwards. Multiple phantom brakings. Merging cars would cause the car to brake. Cars approaching when I was just in cruise control and driving myself on a road without lines would cause the car to brake. It was nauseating. After a while we just drove without it. I can feel the progress and am excited about the future but I will be happy with AP1 until they can get AP2 out of beta. & #x200B Edit - additional info from comments below: The merging issue explained better: I am driving in the slow lane with autopilot on. A car appears on my right in a merge lane and is clearly going to merge behind me. The car unexpectedly (and needlessly) brakes and confuses the merging car (and makes my wife motion sick). In the second case knowing that I can t trust Autopilot I put the car in cruise control. All I want it to do is maintain my speed so I can rest my ankle and I will steer myself. This works fine in AP1 (and every other car with speed control on the road) but the Model 3 would jam on the brakes on a road without a center line if another car was approaching. Again I believe in Tesla and I can see the future but the present is a bit of a mess. | BigDaddySlim | 2021-04-15 16:57:13 | 34 | gumizqh | The newer AP tries a lot harder to be a safety oriented system — it tries to respond to things like oncoming cars crossing the lane lines cars next to you encroaching into your lane left turn traffic and perpendicular stopped cars in your lane etc. Unfortunately with that comes hesitation when it misinterprets cars in your lane that really aren t and that was something AP1 was more happy to ignore and smoothly carry on. AP1 s philosophy was much more of a driver assist system where it trusts that the driver is going to take over. AP2 is more of a stepping stone on the path to real self driving where the system tries to drive correctly and avoid collisions whenever it can. Somewhere last year they really tighten up the AP2 paranoia around oncoming cars being in your lane. I get a lot of false positives when driving on curvy mountain roads with oncoming cars around curves where AP2 fails to understand how the road curves and whether the oncoming car is on its side. Unfortunately what I m noticing is that since probably Q4 last year we ve gotten zero improvements to Autopilot. They kind of left these features half assed to go work on the FSD Beta. For what it s worth FSD Beta videos show that the car is a lot smarter about these situations but unfortunately I don t see it coming out any time soon because of trying to solve all of the challenging things about city driving and making turns at intersections etc. | chillaban | 2021-04-15 17:12:34 | 47 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
b6cx8i | Autosteer Stop Light Warning - Was able to Capture It in Daylight! | Hey I was finally able to capture the Autosteer Stop Light Warning!!! Took a lot of tries and not exactly sure why it worked on this one intersection but I got it! [https: youtu.be CC8DPFQAdmo](https: youtu.be CC8DPFQAdmo) | nickpuschak | 2019-03-28 01:49:23 | 32 | ejjkas4 | [https: youtu.be CC8DPFQAdmo?t=54](https: youtu.be CC8DPFQAdmo?t=54) | SparkySpecter | 2019-03-28 01:55:34 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
3y2l3a | Autosteer pulling to the right? | What have your experiences with autosteer been? I ve found myself uncomfortably close to the right even though the dash shows that the car is between the lines. I kinda hang on the left of the steering wheel to keep me from feeling like Model S is going to scrape his passenger side off. Tips? Tricks? Software update (Tesla Engineers)? | snyper7 | 2015-12-24 10:39:41 | 10 | cy9zesw | Maybe you have an inaccurate sense of where the car is within the lane and it is actually centered. | mikeash | 2015-12-24 12:58:35 | 32 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
ecmwut | Autosteer speed limited to only 5 mph over limit | Autosteer speed being limited to only 5 MPH above the speed limit seems silly in areas like Michigan where you don t get pulled over unless you re going more than 10 mph above speed limit. E.g. if speed limit is 40 mph autosteer will limit my speed to 45 mph and a train of cars will form behind me unless I manually speed up to 49-50 mph (which makes ACC useless unless I disengage autosteer). Because of this I don t use autosteer for around 75% of my daily commute. Anyone else frustrated with this? Aside from this am absolutely loving my model 3. Cheers | nateslager | 2019-12-19 02:45:49 | 35 | fbch01x | It s because it s not designed for those roads yet so it s limited for safety. | packet_whisperer | 2019-12-19 02:48:00 | 32 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
fb5keb | Autosteer speed restriction | Is anyone else frustrated by the seemingly arbitrary autosteer speed restricted message that prohibits increasing the TACC speed on certain stretches of road when autosteer is enabled? For example there is one road which I drive on for my daily commute where the first half is speed restricted to 50 mph which is fine in this case but then the second half drops to 40 which is too low for the traffic flow there. At that point I have to press the accelerator to get back up to 50. It obviously isn t a technical limitation because autosteer continues to work fine while I m manually accelerating. It seems to be loosely based on the posted speed limits but not always. So why is Tesla trying to enforce their own custom global dataset of speed limits (but only when autosteer is enabled)? To make the matter more annoying it isn t really possible to know if your TACC is set to the max speed without scrolling the wheel button and seeing if it displays the message. I haven t really seen anyone commenting on this before so am I the only one who finds this inconvenient? | ComCypher | 2020-02-29 02:06:27 | 27 | fj2fd5o | The restriction is almost always 5 mph over the indicated speed limit. If it doesn t have the speed limit the restriction is 45 mph. What irritates me is when the speed limit is wrong (or unknown). | archbish99 | 2020-02-29 02:10:48 | 39 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
3quhey | Autosteer statistics | I would like to know what percentage of my driving time was on Autosteer. As far as I know the road trip functionality does not provide such a service. Any tip on how to do it yourselves (while driving alone)? | Javyt | 2015-10-30 15:02:24 | 10 | cwigmjw | stopwatch? | crazy08 | 2015-10-30 15:53:36 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
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