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di31yb | Autosummon blew my mind this weekend in Canada -- on a dirt road at the cottage with low cell connection | So I m at the cottage M3 is parked near a bunch of trees in a circle. I have the wife and kids in the car and I m showing off the M3. I press the Come to me button. This is the first time. It just goes to show how much I already trust this car after just 3 months of ownership. So the M3 proceeds to do a 6 point turn and I mean -- I really parked in a terrible spot I wanted to really challenge and test this thing out. AND THEN IT DROVE TO ME. I have to say it really is impressive. I can really see the next couple of updates for City driving connecting all the dots together to create full autonomy. 2020 Is going to be so crazy. I can t wait to send me Tesla down the high way to get my baby sitter who has moved to the next city. Or go pick up some friends who don t have transport. I understand how the FSD system is going to sky rocket in value -- and I m trying to get my hands on a Model X before the price soars up. 2020 Will be the year of Tesla. | sco_solace | 2019-10-15 05:11:19 | 83 | f3t9f6e | This is amazing! We re very close to a technological revolution right now. | QuantifyYouTube | 2019-10-15 07:13:51 | 16 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
7rcrho | Autowipers false positives: fairly common. | My wipers go off going under overpasses about 50% of the time. I ve had them go berserk in parking garages. Also when is auto washer fluid coming? | bbmmpp | 2018-01-18 20:41:31 | 18 | dsvwjcg | My old man has a Jaguar from 2005. The auto wipers work flawlessly on it. I. Just don t. Understand. Why Tesla is trying to reinvent the sensor. | stevejust | 2018-01-18 20:48:40 | 49 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ec0pej | Autowipers low-light performance | Obligatory I love my car but... (seriously though I love my Model 3. To the point my relatives are getting fed up with my constant rambling about it.) Anyway I have a problem with it: I live in a very rainy part of Italy and my daily commute is mainly on the highway in the middle of the mountains where there s no artificial illumination. Since autowipers don t work at all without light I have to constantly adjust the wipers speed on the screen which is somewhat a safety hazard. Today was a particularly bad day: 100 meters of downpour followed by 100 meters of no rain. I was constantly turning wiper on-off and adjusting the speed. I would trade volume adjust on the scroll wheels for wipers manual control any day of the week. Am I the only one with this problem? Anybody found a solution for this? EDIT: and yes I m on 2019.40.2.1. | TiaMaT102 | 2019-12-17 19:37:48 | 44 | fb8e2hf | No you re not the only one. Auto-wipers are still way too slow to activate when it s dark out for me after the neural net update. Things are now MUCH better in daylight especially at higher speeds however. | thisisreadonly | 2019-12-17 19:45:02 | 29 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
f98vej | Availability of Tesla service. | Having heard a lot of horror stories about Tesla service and also knowing that there are a lot of short sellers eager to spread negative misinformation I m trying to decipher fact from fiction prior to buying one. There are about 276 million cars in the US and about 800k professional auto mechanics so about 1 mechanic for every 345 cars. The necessary ratio of cars mechanics would be different for Tesla for a few reasons... Teslas require less maintenance. Teslas are newer on average than ICE cars Fewer people can DIY repairs on Teslas The 345 average for ICE cars is already too high. (I ve been in the auto repair business. 250 - 300 would be the level needed for good service) So... Just as a rough guess I would think there aught to be at least 1 Tesla mechanic per 400 - 500 Tesla cars on the road. IDK how many vehicles Tesla has on the road in the US or how many service techs they have but if anyone does have those numbers I m curious what their ratio actually is. | RobertKesselring | 2020-02-25 11:26:18 | 27 | fiq09js | I don t think this a good or particularly useful comparison. It ignores the thing we all complain about - the *location* of the technicians. There s 1 Tesla service center 60 miles from my house in another state. The next one is 175 miles away. There s a Ford dealer 900 feet away. The next one is 3 miles. The next one 4 miles. The next one 7 miles. The next one 8 miles. The next one 11 miles etc. etc. | engineerbro22 | 2020-02-25 11:32:09 | 18 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6rt9pn | Aventura Tesla Showroom said it will have the Model 3 on display in November. | Talked to an employee who also has a Model 3 on reserve and said that they will have one in the showroom for display early November. Hope that you get some close to you too! | mynameiswrath | 2017-08-05 18:09:16 | 58 | dl7k7qe | Wow in Florida? Wonder when us west coasters will see them. | ch00f | 2017-08-05 18:16:37 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
244c1n | Average Annual Maintenance Costs | I am wondering what your guys average annual maintenance costs roughly are with the Model S. Currently I am debating between an Audi A6 and a Model S and with over a $30 000 price gap after customization I want to know what the long term price difference will be. | Skierdude11 | 2014-04-27 18:20:48 | 12 | ch3gw40 | Scheduled maintenance is once every 12K miles or once a year. It s recommended but not required to maintain your warranty so a lot of owners don t bother. It s $600 per service or $1900 for four services if you buy in advance. Everything else outside of tires is covered by the warranty. So I guess the take-home message is it s essentially $0 per year. EDIT: I should clarify that the reason a lot of owners don t bother with the annual service is that the entirety of the service is basically inspection. If there are any issues they will replace fix stuff but otherwise as far as I am aware there are no mandatory fluid replacements parts replacements at the annual maintenance. | DingDingDao | 2014-04-27 18:46:24 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
77nery | Average cost of a Powerwall 2 plus solar panels installed on home | Has anyone here gone through the cost of having solar + a powerwall 2 installed in their house and would like to share all of the total cost it took for it all? I know the website says that install fees and local taxes and other things make it vary but a rough estimate of the TOTAL cost of it all would be great to see from someone who is using the combo solar panels PW2 on a daily basis. | grizzlyblake91 | 2017-10-20 16:56:59 | 13 | donf31f | Your question is way too broad to be answered here. Closest estimate without more information... A typical residential solar install these days is about $3 per watt before any tax incentives. So if you wanted to have 8kW of solar installed on your house that would be ~$24k plus ~$7k per powerwall. You would then get 30% of that back on your federal tax return plus any incentives your state has. Prices will vary drastically depending on where you live. Even between neighboring states it can vary by thousands. I also recommend getting quotes from AT LEAST 3 solar companies before deciding on one. Tesla SolarCity was the highest quote I received so I did not end up going with them but like I said this will vary significantly depending on where you live as I ve heard some people say they were the cheapest. They are all offering you pretty much the same thing just compare the panels and warranties to be sure they aren t crap and pick the one with the best price. | Infernal7 | 2017-10-20 19:11:13 | 9 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
7cd41y | Avg. Wh mi for Model 3? | Does anyone know what the Model 3 average Wh mi are when driving? I average around 270-350 on my Model S but remember it was closer to 400 on a loaner X I had. Curious what Model 3 owners are seeing! | teslafolife | 2017-11-12 03:33:26 | 10 | dpp46yz | Based on specs 75kWh rated for 310 miles you get 75000 310 = 241.94 | tophoos | 2017-11-12 05:30:42 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4exuc2 | Awaiting My Model 3 Makes Buying A Car Now Very Difficult... The Model 3 Is That Good of a Value | Not even the BMW i3 could cure my Elon-induced hunger awaiting the Tesla Model 3. I need a car to hold me over for the next two or so years but reluctantly I wish I could purchase my Model 3 today because I definitely would instead of putting a couple hundred a month into a lease or the purchase a luxury-class vehicle outright. (Not to say the Sonata hasn t caught my eye as a less-frills leap vehicle.) Based on what s on the market today the Model 3 is already the best in my mind and I would ve very happily bought it now instead of having to put a lot of consideration into which vehicle will work in the meantime. | MICHAELSD01 | 2016-04-15 17:38:29 | 26 | d24ki5o | Just buy the cheapest car you can to make do. It ll feel like such an upgrade when the 3 comes | Lucretius0 | 2016-04-15 22:13:59 | 16 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
8qs38f | Awd configuration invite | Anyone first day online reservation received AWD configuration invite? Elon said last week that they will go in a week. | praslee | 2018-06-13 12:38:18 | 11 | e0lipyk | 1 EM week = 4 Gregorian weeks. | PM_ME_UR_DECOLLETAGE | 2018-06-13 12:39:32 | 30 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
c5h7mw | Awesome Customer Service Experience | Say what you want about Tesla and their customer service I have heard all kinds of people talking about how it has gone downhill so i just wanted to share my experience with you today. & #x200B I purchased my performance model 3 2 months ago I had solar installed early this year in feb march. Since they are running the promo with new cars that if you purchase solar you get a free wall charger obviously they called me shortly after I bought my car and offered me that if I bought solar I could get 500 to the tesla store or a free wall charger. When i mentioned to them I already had solar I was greeted with a sorry it is for new solar customers . I thought that was the end of it and havent thought another thing of it since until today. I got cold called while I was at the dentist that an employee was reviewing my account and saw that I had a new car and a new solar system this year and they asked if I would like a free wall charger! Seriously what company does that? & #x200B Thank you Tesla for continuing to care about your customers & #x200B An Excited Owner | Ryantg2 | 2019-06-25 23:05:51 | 79 | es24d1k | My experience with Tesla SC has been generally meh. Took delivery of car that had multiple issues noted before I left. Took 3 separate appointments to fix issues plus an additional mobile visit so 4 in total. One time I made appointment confirmed everything the day before drove the next day and was told Ohh we only take bodywork requests Mon and Tue you ll have to come back another time the part was delivered and I drove down only for them to tell me the replacement part was damaged and that I d have to come back. & #x200B Eventually everything did get fixed and every time Tesla kept my car overnight they provided and Audi loaner. The staff was great if a little apathetic. Just sucks that my first brand new Tesla car had to go to shop 3 times in the first 6 months of ownership. I also picked this car up in October so it s not like it was during a rush period where they were just trying to get people out the door. I ve owned 4 other cars brand new mainly economy Toyota and Mazda s and never had a service center visit for anything other than oil changes and regular maintenance so it was a bit scary disappointing to be heading to the service center so often. Luckily haven t had any issues since March. | maybeandroid | 2019-06-26 01:46:07 | 8 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
fdxqw7 | Awesome Service Experience from Glen-Allen | Since we see so many stories of bad service experiences I wanted to show some appreciation for the Glen-Allen service center. My 2015 Model S caught a bad case of dead MCU. It died last Friday and I was able to schedule an appointment for Tuesday. When I dropped my car off the technician told me they had already ordered a replacement computer just based on my description and would have it done by Wednesday. Despite all the stories I ve heard about getting uber credit they immediately offered me a loaner P85. The technician was super communicative and kept me up to date about the progress and made sure it was all completed by COB Wednesday. When I picked the car up I discovered that the replacement MCU had the 4gLTE module which was a nice upgrade from the 3g radio my car had when I bought it. Although it sucked for the MCU to die the service and experience from the Glen-Allen folks was really good. Definitely worth the extra 20 minutes of driving vs going up north to Tyson s Corner. | dtphantom | 2020-03-05 16:28:18 | 99 | fjkjazq | Yeah my experiences with that location have been pretty good too. There were a couple of slips here and there but overall they do really try to deliver solid service. | sig_UVA | 2020-03-05 17:05:24 | 12 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
2d0fft | Awesome Service Story from Tesla | We got our new Tesla last Tuesday and hit the road Friday for a family road trip - about 750 miles North of here to where my family lives. Everything went smoothly and I charged on a dryer plug overnight at my grandpa s house built in 1949. Got 242 volts 24 Amps so we woke up full. Next day we went to my mom s a few hours away and I plugged in there but the car stopped charging overnight. I posted on the unofficial forum a few details just looking for advice on what the problem may be. I didn t bother calling Tesla service yet I m a diy guy. I was amazed shocked when a friendly rep from Tesla called my cell the next morning and they said they d seen in my car s logs a possible problem with the charger inside the car. He offered to bring me a loner and take the car! All of this without me contacting Tesla! I have no idea how they found me and this problem but was delighted. So we drove back home yesterday (750 miles) and they picked up the car this AM just brought it back cleaned and vacuumed. Which saved me a carwash after a long road trip. Needless to say my wife was pleased (and she d been a skeptic). The trip was about 2200 miles roundtrip and was simply amazing. Every minute was a joy. **tldr ** Tesla remotely found a problem came to my house and got dirty car returned it fixed charged and clean. All without me ever calling them. | drewnick | 2014-08-08 20:09:36 | 71 | cjkuyk0 | And that s why dealers are afraid | lmurphy137 | 2014-08-08 20:50:08 | 79 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
avr82n | Awful + Dangerous HOV Implementation in Navigate on Autopilot (NoA) Dramatic Speed Reduction | Model 3 FW: 2018.50.6 This has been affecting me for many weeks now. I ve searched the forums and haven t seen this reported anywhere. When the option to use HOV Lanes is ON NoA constantly suggests I get in the HOV lane and if ignore the suggestion for about a minute the vehicle starts applying heavy brakes no matter where I am on the freeway rapidly dropping my speed over 20 mph. I eventually have to slam on the accelerator before I can see just how slow autopilot is willing to make my car go in the midst of full highway speed free flowing traffic. It s a nightmare almost causing accidents on several occasions with vehicles behind me not expecting the rapid deceleration. It happens so consistently I can reproduce the issue almost at will confirming it s not the result of phantom breaking. It also happens in the opposite scenario - when the option to use HOV lanes is OFF if I voluntarily choose to enter the HOV lane NoA will of course suggest I exit. If I ignore the suggestion for about a minute it will again rapidly decelerate over 20mph until I exit the HOV. Again extremely dangerous. NOTES: - It happens whether or not there are any cars around me so it isn t just trying to merge with another lane - If the Use HOV option is toggled on or off (to stop the jarring deceleration) while already on a route the entire route must be cancelled and restarted for the new option setting to be incorporated. - After slamming on the accelerator to speed the vehicle back up to highway speeds the car will resume normal autopilot functioning for a few seconds and then it will rapidly decelerate again and again and again. - The issue does not happen with cruise control or normal autopilot on and NoA off. | lothariorowe | 2019-02-28 13:38:39 | 68 | ehh1qfr | I ve noticed this too and I don t use HOV. It doesn t like it if I ignore it s exit directions and will slow down like you described when it looks like I m going to miss my exit. | MobsidianTesla | 2019-02-28 13:46:55 | 21 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
ic8ct2 | Awful customer experience | I m gonna try and make this is short as possible to not sound too much like a whiny bitch but I never thought buying a $60k car would suck this much. When taking delivery and spotting all the defects the delivery rep told me don t worry they ll fix everything just take photos of everything and make a service apt though the app . I spotted so many things wrong that the app wouldn t even let me upload all the photos for 1 service appointment. So I made 2. Of course I had to wait over a week(past the window for returning the car) for my 1st apt. Fast forward to today when I show up 10 mins early for my apt. I check in at a jam packed service center without any room to park. A few mins later I get a call from the service rep telling my apt is not for another 4 days. I say no it s today. I m looking at it right now in the app. You want me to send you a screenshot of it? . He says That s weird okay I ll grab a guy and head over to you . Turns out my first appointment had been deleted by their system everywhere but on my app along with all the photos I had submitted. So now I m left trying to convince them that all these paint alignment headliner leather and glass issues where there when I picked up the car. Luckily I had not deleted the photos off my phone and they were dated. We proceeded to mark all my concerns outside in the blazing heat with barely enough room around the car to maneuver. It was up to me to find all the photos on my phone in the direct noon sun while they deflected most of my concerns with very carefully worded statements like we ll definitely check all these things out and make sure they are within spec. and You should definitely talk to someone about what they said to you at delivery . After becoming irritated and fatigued by the sun trying to find all the dozens of spots that I had photos of and their robotic canned answers we concluded with We re gonna need at least a few days is there someone coming to pick you up? . What?! I replied Uh no I m expecting a loaner . He replied with Sorry all our loaners are gone and there s a long waiting list that I can put you on. I can give you Uber vouchers . So here I am fresh from spending 30 mins confined in a stranger s car during a pandemic fielding questions about who I m going to vote for and am I going to take a vaccine designed by Bill Gates to control the population? . I m also fairly certain this guy thinks you re supposed to clean leather with cologne. Right now I ve got no vehicle no idea if they will actually fix my car possibly infected with covid 19 and absolutely stinking of cologne. This is enough to say never again . If you made it this far. Thanks for reading. | importon | 2020-08-18 19:54:12 | 1,684 | g213bi1 | Let s all say it together Refuse at Delivery | Vik- | 2020-08-18 20:45:49 | 1,219 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
bdukpo | BATTERY RECYCLING | A common question we hear is “**What happens to Tesla vehicle battery packs once they reach their end of life?**” An important distinction between fossil fuels and lithium-ion batteries as an energy source is that while fossil fuels are extracted and used once the materials in a lithium-ion battery are recyclable. When petroleum is pumped out of the ground chemically refined and then burned it releases harmful emissions into the atmosphere that are not recovered for reuse. Battery materials in contrast are refined and put into a cell and will still remain at the end of their life when they can be recycled to recover its valuable materials for reuse over and over again. Since Tesla battery packs are made to last many years we are only just starting to receive these batteries back from the field. Currently most of the batteries for recycling come to us through R& D manufacturing quality control and service operations. Today we work with third-party recyclers around the world to process all scrap and end-of-life batteries to recover valuable metals. Our recycling partners work with us to ensure that non-valuable or non-recoverable materials from the batteries are disposed of responsibly. At Gigafactory 1 Tesla is developing a unique battery recycling system that will process both battery manufacturing scrap and end-of-life batteries. Through this system the recovery of critical minerals such as lithium and cobalt will be maximized along with the recovery of all metals used in the battery cell such as copper aluminum and steel. All of these materials will be recovered in forms optimized for new battery material production. The closed-loop battery recycling process at Gigafactory 1 presents a compelling solution to move energy supply away from the fossil-fuel based practice of take make and burn to a more circular model of recycling end-of-life batteries for reuse over and over again. From an economic perspective we expect to recognize significant savings over the long term as the costs associated with large-scale battery material recovery and recycling will be far lower than purchasing and transporting new materials. -- From https: www.tesla.com ns_videos tesla-impact-report-2019.pdf | JohnnyRockets911 | 2019-04-16 14:28:34 | 51 | el0sj9c | Since they can replace the modules it would be awesome if you could keep the old module and have some sort of plug in powerwall shell. Just take your old Tesla batteries and use them to power the house since even at 80% of their car capacity it would be very useful for the house | Jeriath27 | 2019-04-16 14:38:24 | 18 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
feynl1 | BC Canada Home Charging Rebate | Can someone from the BC area tell me about your experience please. How much it costs etc. I m evaluating whether it s worth the hassle to get the rebate. Last I saw my garage will need to be compliant with some city code. My garage is 9 years old which should be relatively new. I m hoping I can just purchase the wall connector and have a contractor hook it up for me. | Prize-Dust | 2020-03-07 17:53:51 | 15 | fjtu9ri | I had evtec.ca do my install. They give free estimates and when they are done there is a BC Hydro site for getting a rebate up to $700 currently. Cost can be all over the map. Depends on the panel distance to plug etc. Another electrician quoted me $1600 for a easy job (panel had capacity and is next to the car) these guys did mine for $1000. I probably could have done it myself for a lot less but they handled getting the permits etc so it wasn t worth my time. My coworkers was a lot more because they needed a panel upgrade + a lot more wire to the garage. I think it was like $2500. Read the Hydro site on the rebate carefully. If you buy the charger yourself rather than installed you might not get as much as you d think. https: electricvehicles.bchydro.com buying EV-incentives-in-BC#calculate | Chaz_wazzers | 2020-03-07 19:55:55 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
c3s6dr | BC Electric Vehicle Rebate Program - Funds top up and lowering provincial support from $5K to $3K (cross post from r Vancouver) | Question: Does this mean now the incentive for buying a Telsa Model 3 (Standard Range Plus) changes from $5K Federal $5K provincial to now just $3K Provincial and 5K federal? The provincial rebate will be reduced to $3 000 for battery fuel-cell and longer-range plug-in hybrid electric vehicles and to $1 500 for shorter-range plug-in hybrid electric vehicles effective June 22 2019 Source: [https: news.gov.bc.ca releases 2019EMPR0025-001302](https: news.gov.bc.ca releases 2019EMPR0025-001302) | BrownIceDog | 2019-06-22 17:08:40 | 18 | erstzmh | Not surprised glad I picked up before this happened. | leanpunzz | 2019-06-22 17:22:38 | 5 | EV Tax Credit Impact |
94j452 | BI: The company s detractors could be underestimating Tesla s ability to recover from setback. | > Tesla has a long history of dealing with crisis after crisis. > Tesla s most recent crisis was with production of the Model 3 sedan — but it now appears that the company has stabilized its problems. The latest crisis was rough but there have been others that were also challenging. > The company s detractors could be underestimating Tesla s ability to recover from setback. > Tesla reported second-quarter earnings last week and while the company lost more than it ever has it also brought in a record amount of revenue. > More importantly the company put its most recent crisis decisively behind it. As a carmaker it s now clearly figured out how to elevate production of its Model 3 sedan which had endured a difficult birth. At a minimum Tesla is probably able to manufacture 2 000 per week stretching up to 5 000. > On the PR front CEO Elon Musk did his penance and expressed contrition for flipping out on the first-quarter earnings call when several Wall Street analyst made him mad. > The markets liked all of this brushing off the bottom-line miss and giving Tesla a 15% improvement in its stock price. By the time the Nasdaq closed on Thursday Tesla shares were again threatening $350. Breaking through that level with three months to go before third-quarter results and serious questions about profitability could send the stock on a rally toward $400 something that happened in 2017. > The bear thesis about Tesla — which over the first half of 2018 had pivoted to bankruptcy calculations at worst and prognostications about how much humiliation Musk would endure if he had to return to the markets to raise capital after ruling that out — is now in something of shambles. > Short-sellers have suffered real pain and have more to come if the stock doesn t retreat. Greenlight Capital s David Einhorn effectively threw in the towel prior to Tesla s earnings announcement when he admitted that his short position had contributed to an 18% loss for his fund year-to-date. > Bulls aren t going to have it easy either. Numerous Wall Street analysts have trimmed their price-targets on Tesla and are now in the awkward position of having to take Musk s word that the profits to this point staggering absent will materialize in the second half of 2018. > The tricky thing about the most recent Tesla crisis is that it did have the outlines of the Big One. That s why it sucked in some much enthusiasm among naysayers while the company s supporters had to kind of hang on for dear life. Even Musk said that Tesla couldn t bet the farm again as it did with Model 3 and get away with it. > What the bears overlooked this time was that crisis is something that Tesla knows and knows well. The scale matters but not as much as they assumed. So for the record here s a look back at all the other crises Tesla has overcome in the past 15 years. [Link to full article on BI](https: www.businessinsider.com teslas-history-of-crisis-2018-8) | ekobres | 2018-08-04 13:27:56 | 24 | e3lg99s | Not *could * they are *definitely* underestimating Tesla s ability to recover. This perceived setback is actually a long-term capital investment on manufacturing infrastructure. It looks bad because they blew through a lot of money very quickly while trying to expand very aggressively and if they had done that without knowing there was substantial demand for their product then maybe the analysts would be right. It would be a foolish move that threw away all their cash for nothing. But they do have demand. They have a waiting list for their product that s more than 400 000 strong and that thus far has refilled itself faster than they can deplete it. | Bearracuda | 2018-08-04 14:46:51 | 9 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
6e4177 | BMW 3-Series versus Model 3: Reservations about my reservations | Wife and I currently lease a 2015 328i. Moderately equipped nothing crazy. It s been a great fun quality car. With that said we ve both been super excited about the Model 3 and have been planning to replace the BMW with the Model 3 since before the initial reveal of the Model 3. We have 2 day 1 standing-in-line reservations (just in case she decides she needs her own). Since the reveal (and before really) I have spent...an unhealthy amount of time browsing this forum looking forward to any new info on the Model 3. That was until a few months ago something I looked forward to each day. That s changed over the past few weeks. Recent details and pictures have made me think that the Model 3 is going to be a pretty big downgrade from what we currently have. 14 cubic feet combined storage for trunk and frunk? Realistically that means an ~11 ft^3 trunk. That s tiny. The minimalist interior could have been (and still many be) awesome but the materials quality in the pictures I ve seen of the release candidates appear to be appropriate for a $20k car not one that will be $50-60k+ when highly optioned. The floating screen looks out of place and cheap as well especially when combined with the cheap-looking minimalist interior. Spaceship like steering ? I have no idea how one could look at the current steering situation in the release candidate Model 3s and come to that conclusion. Especially not someone that you know builds spaceships. We could afford a new S (and definitely a used one) but that car is just too damn big so that isn t an option. All things considered it doesn t seem like the Model 3 is going to be by far the best car you can buy for $35 000 even without any options . That s not an exact quote but Musk said something pretty similar at the reveal last year. It doesn t even look to be on par with its direct competitors in the same price range. I love Tesla as a company and am hugely supportive of their mission. However if I m going to throw down $50k+ for a car it d better feel like a $50k car (or hell even a $40k car) not a $25k car. Guess I ll give it a test drive and hope that I feel differently than I do now but I m getting more skeptical every day. Anyone else that was planning to move to a Model 3 from an A4 3-series C-series etc. or any other car really and starting to change your mind? | yepsoundsgood7 | 2017-05-30 00:37:46 | 119 | di7i9eh | I get what you re saying. When I put down the deposit sight unseen I figured it may not live up to what I envisioned. That s why I ve been silently cross shopping other cars in the event I really can t get passed the various issues. The new 2018 Volvos have caught my attention funny enough because of the incredible interior. The XC60 S90 are just designed beautifully. I ve thought about a 4 Series a Guilia even a Tahoe. You re kind of in the same boat as I am. I m going to wait until the final reveal with backups in mind. If the 3 ends up barebones and shitty I ll buy something else. There s no shortage of people chomping at the bit to take my spot. I ll give it a few years and then reevaluate the EV field then. | Gpho21 | 2017-05-30 01:25:00 | 48 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
7p1kt7 | BMW M3 vs Tesla Model 3 | Any interest in a side by side comparison before I return my BMW to Fair? Please lmk! | boominternet | 2018-01-08 20:48:35 | 40 | dsdxika | So M3 vs M3 | gwoz8881 | 2018-01-08 22:12:19 | 40 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
26jpor | BMW following Tesla and phasing out dealerships? | I ve just read that BMW is planning on distributing their i3 i8 vehicles sans-dealerships. Customers will be able to purchase online and over the phone? It s looking more and more like franchised dealerships are doomed if we are so lucky. http: www.autoevolution.com news bmw-i3-officially-launched-first-cars-already-delivered-71154.html http: www.greencarreports.com news 1078075_bmw-i3-i8-will-be-first-bmws-to-sell-online | cflynn07 | 2014-05-26 20:20:16 | 24 | chrsvlo | The articles you linked to are from 2012 and 2013. and this is for Europe (which doesn t have the dealership monopoly laws like the US afaik). | m0nk_3y_gw | 2014-05-26 23:42:56 | 18 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82ffkp | BNP Paribas in Europe does Shareholders not allow to vote on EM Compensation Package | For those of you who are shareholders I wanted to inform you that some Banks like BNP Paribas do not let you vote on the compensation package for EM. They claim they have to have an agreement with the clearing agency and don t want to establish it. Furthermore they declare not to be responsible for any information on votings like this. Is that a standard rule with other Banks as well? I am pretty disappointed given you purchase shares with all rights and the Bank just declares that they take you rights away and don t let you vote or even inform you. Does anybody have similar experiences? | fahriges | 2018-03-06 14:26:46 | 14 | dv9onnd | Stockholders have the opportunity to help determine Tesla s future. Please vote by telephone via the Internet or by signing dating and returning the enclosed proxy card in the postage-paid envelope provided to ensure that your shares are represented. If you have questions about voting your Tesla shares please contact Innisfree which is assisting Tesla in connection with the vote: Toll-free: 877.456.3463 Stockholders outside the United States: + 1 412.232.3651 | pmsyyz | 2018-03-06 15:18:45 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6fp03w | Baby Delivery in Model S | (I know this sounds absurd. I m still in a bit of shock. It s 100% true.) This morning my wife had mild contractions so we headed off to the hospital with a full charge. Be conservative was the motto of the day. Ha. Well I guess the incredible acceleration of the Model S also applies to expecting moms. Over the course of the next 20 minutes the contractions grew from uncomfortable breathing to profane screaming. Then my wife announces It s coming! . Wait what? I pulled over to the side of the freeway confused and watched as my wife delivered our baby... with her front seat pushed all the way back and reclined. So we re 20 minutes from the hospital. Newborn still attached to his mother. On the freeway. Maximum safe driving time. Set traffic aware cruise control to the max 7 seconds! I easily merge back into the leftmost lane. I find other drivers are real polite to me when I m in the Model S. Call the doctor on the car Bluetooth system to warn them. He can hear the crying tells us the baby sounds healthy (is that an official diagnosis?). Couldn t decide whether to turn hazard lights on or not. Didn t want to get pulled over. We get there and two dozen heroes pour out of the hospital to the car. Baby and mom are rushed to the delivery rooms to clean things up. Everything turns out great mother and baby are happy and healthy. Later a doctor refers to our new boy as baby Tesla . My friends call him Model Y ... Meanwhile I m researching new floor mats. So how have your experiences been with delivering babies in the model S? -- As an aside I d love to see the GPS coordinates of where the baby was delivered on the side of the highway. Any idea how I can get that pulled from the car? | elcabezon | 2017-06-06 21:42:35 | 411 | dijvo9d | Congratulations!!! If you don t name that boy Nicola(s) you re missing a great opportunity. :) | Hollyfeld_Lazlo | 2017-06-06 22:02:12 | 123 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
eko499 | Back AC Blows Hot Air | Was driving on a long road trip with the air in the back and had my passengers literally sweating and complaining the car was too hot when I had it set to 74 degrees. I was wearing a hoodie and was very comfortable but turned it down regardless to the point where I was shivering with a hoodie and my back passengers finally were somewhat comfortable with their shorts and t shirts. I finally realized there is a significant difference in air temp between the front and back and took it to my local service center. After looking at the car they told me that they couldn t find anything wrong with it and “the difference between the front and back vents didn t exceed 10 degrees” so they hadn t done anything to fix it. I think this is outrageous as if my front AC is blowing cold air at 74 degrees and my back is blowing hot air at 84 degrees my passengers are obviously going to have extreme discomfort. I m honestly not sure what to do about this situation : Also fully expecting to be downvoted because this sub literally despises any criticism whether it s true or not but I genuinely have a problem and need a solution to hear from other people with this issue how they solved it. I also have a squeaky steering wheel which now makes more noise than before they serviced it but that s besides the point I ll take this one step at a time for now. | theolaw | 2020-01-06 03:30:46 | 94 | fdd0qvw | I had the same problem on a long trip last week. It was very annoying. It finally worked when I lowered the temp to 65 and set fan manually to highest until the back vent was cold. Set it back to automatic then it worked fine after that. | CandyFromABaby91 | 2020-01-06 05:57:38 | 43 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
hmlu4h | Back Glass Cracked | Anyone else with a model 3 have their back glass crack for no reason? We took a road trip for the 4th for a few days. Parked the car and didn t drive it for 4 days. Came out the day we were leaving to a ~12” crack from the edge of the glass. No chips or impact indicators. Definitely was not there when we parked or throughout the week I was putting my kids bathing suits on the back glass to dry in the sun. Not something that could be missed. | King_Kev | 2020-07-07 02:19:39 | 12 | fx5yngm | There were some early batches that had a fault in the glass. Check with tesla about the warranty | Achenest | 2020-07-07 02:23:49 | 34 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
f44pp2 | Back Row Heated Seats now a $300 option for SR+ trim | Through my Tesla account and under the upgrades section looks like there is now a $300 option to turn on the ability to use the back row heated seats. I think $300 is fair we ll be purchasing this upgrade when it s colder again. Other than the speaker system and footwell lighting our SR+ with premium connectivity is pretty close to our AWD. Photos of the upgrade in the account: https: i.imgur.com z4HhEZ7.jpg | mahkus11 | 2020-02-15 04:52:17 | 287 | fho6rb6 | Not too bad. I was expecting ~$500. $300 makes sense though for 3 seats. Some alternative cost calculations include: $100 butt $33 bacon strip | matt687 | 2020-02-15 05:09:28 | 201 | Car seat configurations in Tesla |
3dvxqw | Back of the napkin next gen roadster performance. | I was starting to think of what the new roadster could do so I made some assumptions and went from there. First let s assume that by removing all the space of the Model S and going with cutting edge materials we can get the same 2 motors and 1500 amp batteries into a 3000lb 2-seater. Then let s assume we can get the very highest traction tires available (the biggest limitation of 0-60). I ve seen static coefficient tires as high as 1.35 or so. I believe the P85D is traction limited until about 35 MPH. Since the P90D goes from 1300 amp to 1500 amps that should take up to about 40 MPH (35*1500 1300). I believe the current car also pulls about 1.1 g s max. If we increase the traction to 1.35 and regear the P90D we d be traction limited to only 33 MPH. If we then pull out the speculated 1936 lbs and regear again we d be traction limited 54 MPH. This means we d be pulling 1.35 g s almost to 60 MPH which is a 0 to 60 of 2.04 seconds. Lose a little above 54 MPH and for wind resistance and gain a little in down-force and I think 2.1 second 0-60 is an attainable number. | tkulogo | 2015-07-19 23:53:36 | 12 | ct96pxa | > If we increase the traction to 1.35 And there s your problem. There s no way to simply increase the traction to 1.35 if there was everyone would be doing it. To accelerate you need grip from the tires. To get more grip you need stickier tires AWD or downforce. Under 60 mph it s damn hard to get a large amount of downforce. That means you need to look at sticky tires or AWD. Now the Porsche 918 has all three factors it has huge sticky tires AWD with electric motors up front and a nice big wing. And despite all that it can t go lower than 2.2 seconds. The new roadster will have skinnier tires much less downforce and AWD is a maybe at best. Unless you re planning on putting proper slicks on and using a rubber drag strip 2.1 is a pipe dream. | jetshockeyfan | 2015-07-20 00:59:44 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
3g2vq2 | Back to future remake with Model X | It would star the Model X(obviously because of the falcon wing doors) and since it is the thirtieth anniversary of the movie they would go back to 1985(the year the movie came out) instead of 1955. How much of a shock would the model X be in 1985 do you think? | noisySilence22 | 2015-08-07 01:50:56 | 11 | ctudoei | It would be Rad. To the max. | AGM76 | 2015-08-07 02:44:16 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6q49g6 | Back to the Future | 10 years 11 months and 26 days ago Elon shared with us the [Master Plan](https: www.tesla.com blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me). It began with the Tesla Roadster and not long after a soon-to-be crashing market. Where Tesla perservered and battery technology hit a pivotal point where it could be proven as a viable solution for transportation. All that was needed was the proof that Electric cars *could be cool* and to show people what they really could be. Despite delays across the board we were eventually given the next iterations of Tesla s vision as promised the Model S and Model X. They worked through ups and downs in production while growing at an insane rate all the while learning how to become a brand new car manufacturer from the ground up. It wasn t without hiccups and problems along the way (whether admitted or not). Tesla has purposefully not followed the pack and has been fighting tooth and nail to show the world that innovation prevails. And tonight we will be shown the vehicle that Tesla has been working towards for so long and most importantly on time. The ramp will be slow but this is where it matters the most. I wanted to say thank you to the community for sticking through hoping for the best discussing even the negative things and being okay with a company that does things a [little differently](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Ku5ZjRKCNEk) despite the hiccups along the way. I know that Tesla themselves has closely watched us grow and I think I speak for the whole Mod team when we say thank you (to the users) and Tesla for making this sub for what it is today. So with that in less than 12 hours the event will start and we will be opening up multiple megathreads to discuss all the little details of the Model 3 for the event. A decade plus in the making. Don t tell anyone. | 110110 | 2017-07-28 14:49:09 | 357 | dkuf6uu | I m not crying. You re crying. | ThatIs1TastyBurger | 2017-07-28 15:11:49 | 90 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
juq5hd | Back up Camera with MCU 2.0 - now useless at night? | I have a 2015 Model S 85D and have loved it since the day I got it. A few months ago my MCU died and I was able to have the MCU 2.0 installed. This has generally been a huge improvement overall in terms of new features responsiveness and the overall user experience with the main touchscreen. Prior to the upgrade my backup camera worked perfectly at night. I was actually always very impressed with how well it worked at night. With the reverse lights on I could back up and see everything without any issues at all even in total darkness. I keep the backup camera on at the top of my display all the time and was also able to use it while driving at night to see cars behind me and help with blind spots at night. Now post-upgrade the back up camera is totally useless at night. Even in my very well-lit (with several flood lights) driveway at night with my reverse lights on I can t even see the ground just below my bumper. I feel significantly less safe at night now with the decreased performance of the camera at night. When driving other car headlights behind me barely register as couple of white dots in the blackness. I ve seen a couple other posts about this but I have yet to see any solution or resolution. Anyone aware of what would cause this issue or how to resolve it? Thanks | falconseven79 | 2020-11-15 17:59:49 | 34 | gcewyp6 | Yeah all MCU1 to MCU2 owners notice the drastic difference in night time brightness on the backup camera. I filed a service appointment via the app and the tech told me Tesla engineering is aware of the issue and working on a software fix . Not holding my breath as I ve seen in forums that this has been going on since earlier in the year. | EdisonsMedicine | 2020-11-15 18:56:41 | 31 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
75olbv | Back up camera footage. | Does anyone have experience with accessing the backup camera footage? My mom was rear ended and the person drove off so she was hoping to get their license plate from the back up camera. She has a Model S 100D. | DianeIsBored | 2017-10-11 12:03:41 | 15 | do7pudd | Prior to AP2 the footage wasn t seen by the computer so had no way to be recorded. With AP2 that has likely changed but only certain Tesla hackers have had any success accessing recorded footage and usually from the front cameras after a large accident. If the rear camera footage is recorded it may have already been overwritten if the airbags didn t trigger. Tesla has not enabled any dashcam functionality at this time. | Dithermaster | 2017-10-11 12:28:52 | 10 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
naib8h | Backseat Tesla driver arrested | The man who had been spotted recently driving his Tesla from the backseat was arrested Monday on two counts of reckless driving. He is out of jail now until his next court date. Authorities said he was previously cited on April 27 for similar behavior. https: www.ktvu.com news man-arrested-for-riding-in-back-of-driverless-tesla-on-autopilot-gets-out-of-jail KTVU had an interview with the man ~~(which has not been updated on their website yet)~~. In that interview the man was defiant and said there was nothing dangerous about what he was doing and would continue to drive from the backseat. In fact when he got out of jail he drove home in the backseat of his Tesla. | bagofry | 2021-05-12 06:39:44 | 485 | gxtt3wf | I think there s something mentally wrong with this dude. | wheresDAfreeWIFI | 2021-05-12 07:09:13 | 368 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
el64cu | Backseat ski pass through alternative? | I m on the fence between the 3 Y and CT with respect to this issue and am comparing to VW s upcoming Crozz id3. I would probably lean towards the M3 vs the upcoming VW ID4 if Tesla would just do a fold down cut out similar to VW s cars. Does anyone else find it unappealing to fold down the seat to get ski s boards in the car and still comfortably have two passengers seated in the back? As it stands do I just wait for the CT? I would rather not get a ski box on the roof as I suspect it would negate a huge amount of the aero advantage on the M3. For the record I take the kids to the ski hill every weekend in the winter. How can I manage this effectively with up to three passengers and gear? I don t have the budget for the X btw. | DisembodiedHand | 2020-01-07 04:15:23 | 13 | fdfvq33 | If you re handy you can make your own Model 3 cutout. Walkthroughs in YouTube. Not for the faint of heart but it works. | jpbeans | 2020-01-07 04:31:29 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
68nnwq | Backup camera alignment off... | Does anyone else suffer from this? | imdubious | 2017-05-01 18:15:33 | 24 | dgztvaw | First I have to say sexy as fuck color! Second I have not seen this and that is a little weird... You might want to talk to your service center and ask them what s up with this. Now I do drive an S and I see it s a Model X I hope other Model X drivers can test this out. | rcnfive | 2017-05-01 18:25:07 | 6 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
bm95n7 | Backup camera not showing image at start up. | Is anyone else having issues with the back up camera? I have to reboot my car almost everyday to get it to work. I took it to the service center and they said it s a known issue. I was just curious because I have a few friends that are not experiencing this issue. I m on software 2019.12.1.2 Edit: So just to be clear mine requires a reboot to get it to work again. It does not fix itself over time or by switching the camera display on and off. Rebooting my car once or twice a day is getting annoying. | emceee21 | 2019-05-08 18:52:31 | 11 | emurtx5 | Mine sometimes takes a bit. Longest was about 10 seconds. | Ak15567 | 2019-05-08 18:56:49 | 8 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
8ce247 | Backup camera view turn-on delay | Hi everybody - I used to make fun of the backup camera in my Silverado: it takes (literally) 5 seconds to come on after I put the truck in reverse. My Model S used to be super fast in that respect but lately this seems to be getting slower and slower .... Anybody else notice that as well? | Paladin32776 | 2018-04-15 09:03:40 | 13 | dxekjgc | Video devices and GNU Linux don t mix well generally | dnasuio | 2018-04-15 15:28:27 | 6 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
c9l1js | Bad Daily Charging Options | Basically I don t have a great way to charge an electric car at my apartment. I could probably rig something but it would be 110v at best. Does anyone have any experience in a less than ideal charging situation? I m not sure if it matters but I drive about 30 miles a day. | heatislandeffect | 2019-07-05 20:49:53 | 13 | eszg39s | You will get around 5 miles for each hour you charge on a regular 120 socket (110 went away a long time ago) This combined with a visit to your nearest Supercharger (empty to 90% full in well under an hour) or L2 charger (around 30 miles hour) for times when you get low due to driving more than around 50 miles per day should be just fine. | SpellingJenius | 2019-07-05 21:15:30 | 16 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
beq1sy | Bad Experience? Return? | I don t want to draw this out too much but I picked up my model 3 about 4 hours ago and I ve already had nothing but problems and just curious for advice. & #x200B As soon as I drove off the lot literally 1 2 mile away everything in the car went pitch black. I turned right around and Telsa is trying to tell me this is semi normal . I don t expect a 60k car to reboot with 4 miles on it. So i give them the benefit of the doubt they commit it won t happen again for a while after doing some diagnostics. & #x200B They also told me that the auto pilot should start working in 25 miles or so and the camera calibration will eventually reach 100%. I ve driven over 60 and its stuck literally on zero. I called support to discuss they totally agree it should not be on zero but it also may take 100 miles. They did state if its just sitting on 0 there could be a problem but offered no solutions. & #x200B Pretty frustrated after just a half day of ownership.. & #x200B Thoughts? & #x200B Edit: loving all the downvotes here but check this out. Took it into service center again (only 5 miles from my house). Guy looked at firmware and goes --What the heck is this??? Apparently it s a test only firmware car never should have shipped with. They said they are aware of issue with this firmware getting into the wild on a small amount of cars causing issues but unable to update it and need to escalate to California. They are hoping Cali engineers can OTA update car but they couldn t commit. & #x200B Edit Edit: SC confirmed car has AP HW3 and has been working with engineering this morning. Tesla has no software to be able to run HW3 in model 3 they can provide the car and no ETA on when that will be published. They told me that I will not have any features cruise lane departure AP until software exists. I m totally psyched to have one of the first AP3 cars but its unrealistic to have less features than what exists today. Told them I ll wait until day 6 (Wednesday -- two days after the FSD event) but will likely return car if we can t get these things functioning. Might just be best until software actually runs on HW3 I can wait another month to buy a car. & #x200B Final Edit: Looks like someone in Cali was able to push me firmware - after a few soft reboots car was fully calibrated and working within 6 miles. I DO NOT have sentry mode even though i m on an 8.5 build -- this sounds consistent with the model X and S that have HW3. Glad tesla was able to get this resolved sounds like other poster having same issues as me has not gained resolution yet. I ll be keeping the car! | xenner | 2019-04-18 20:03:29 | 60 | el7p03b | Welcome to owning a Tesla. This is the price of admission for this frame. The car will reboot. The AP will need a touch from the SC maybe. The car will not be like anything you owned in the past. The car when it works which is over 95% of the time destroys all other cars. | sziehr | 2019-04-18 20:05:34 | 28 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8ey1g2 | Bad Rear Bumper Body Paintmatching on White Model 3 | Hey guys Not sure if this is a common thing but the paint matching on the bumper vs the body for white is pretty bad on my Model 3. I noticed it a bit in the showroom but it really stood out today. Kind of wish I compared it to the other white model 3 s. My front bumper does not look nearly as mismatched. https: imgur.com a eRsOS5X Anyone else with a white model 3 with the same issue? Is this an issue with the Model S and X as well? Update: Here is the front in case people wanted to compare https: imgur.com a 5TRztOa Slight mismatch but nothing nearly as bad as the rear. | zoglog | 2018-04-25 23:14:34 | 78 | dxyzh3y | Oof that s awful. I haven t even seen it that bad on early S or X and nobody in their right might would defend initial build quality on either of those cars \(mostly great now though.\) Please get Tesla to fix that free of charge. Pretty outrageous that they even let that leave the factory. | ersatzcrab | 2018-04-25 23:18:48 | 27 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
dbgg81 | Bad Tesla Service is starting to tarnish Tesla image | Tesla was just featured on Radar a dutch TV program helping consumers when they have problems with companies. A couple of Tesla owners told about their terrible Tesla service experience. This is pretty bad for the Tesla image in general. Radar is watched by approx 1.1 million viewers. In a country with 17 million inhabitants thats allot of people. As a proud Model 3 owner I really hope Tesla gets their Service act together. Dutch article on Radar: [Klantenservice Tesla onbereikbaar](https: www.google.nl amp s radar.avrotros.nl amp klantenservice-tesla-onbereikbaar ) | Tarik1989 | 2019-09-30 19:03:52 | 329 | f21bs27 | That is their biggest issue by far right now. Sales and service experience is abysmal. | maybeandroid | 2019-09-30 19:05:32 | 206 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
f45v8t | Bad advice by Tesla. Supercharger not working. Stuck with Car at 0 mi. Now taking Uber home. | **Update (Monday 2 17 20 10AM): Contacted by Tesla. They apologized for the experience and will be dropping the car off at my house and will reimburse me for any Uber costs. I think they made the situation right. Thank you Tesla! Thank you to all the commenters who helped me navigate this situation and especially Bonnie Norman who was crucial in getting me in touch with the right people.** **Thanks!** \--- Original Post --- Hi fellow Tesla owners This is the story of how a non functioning supercharging station led to a disaster of a night. **Tl dr:** Supercharger wasn t working but seemed like they were. Tesla told me to heat the car which drained my battery. Roadside support said it was my fault and they won t cover the tow. Eventually I ubered it home (100 miles) and have to figure out future plans. & #x200B **Story** I was doing my normal drive in my LR Model 3 from Cape Cod to New York (which I do monthly) and was instructed by the navigation to stop at the new Southbound I95 Madison CT supercharger for a 15 minute charge. I ll be honest and say that I was super excited to try one of the new L3 chargers. I usually stop at Milford (30 minutes further down). **9PM:** I arrived at the supercharger around 9PM I was at 9%. I plugged in my car and went to get food. I checked the app soon after and realized the car wasn t charging. I ran back to the car and the T was solid amber which I found out means that the plug is not engaged properly. I tried to put the plug back in again and inspected it. I also went and tried the other 9 chargers with no success. The car kept saying that the latch wasn t engaged or the car was too cold. **9:30PM:** At this point I was probably at 6% and I called Tesla. They remotely looked at my car and I was told to heat the car at HI for 30-60 minutes. I expressed my fear that the car will go to zero and that I had been driving for the last 2 hours so my car should be warm but I was reassured by 3 different representatives. I listened and heated my car. The battery slowly got down to zero miles left in 45 mimutes. The car is a nice toasty 70 degrees but still not charging. **10:30PM:** Now the car is at 0mi range and the charging did not start and I was told to talk to road side assistance to get a tow since I couldn t drive it anymore. I tried the app but the app wouldn t find my location because I was on the I95 (a highway). Roadside assistance told me that the tow would not be covered because I haven t exhausted all options and need to plug in my car. I told them I was on the highway and there is no 120v outlets and I suspect that the new superchargers are not working. The representative told me she would be back. The car heating has stopped and the temperature is dropping. **11pm:** I was told that the supervisor said I would not be covered for a tow to the service station (45 miles away). I asked to speak to the supervisor so I can explain my situation. I am sitting in the car which is now down to 40 degrees. I was told that the supervisor will call me when he is available. **11:53pm:** The supervisor finally calls me and I explain how I was instructed to stop here I called Tesla charging support instantly when I still had enough charge to get me to other chargers and I was told to heat the car which dropped my range to a point where I couldn t use the car anymore. He looked into his system and told me that NONE OF SUPERCHARGERS at this location are powered. He said he would tow me to the Milford supercharger and if that didn t work then I would have to pay to tow to the service station. He said the original representative will arrange the tow and text me. I was excited to finally make some progress. I figured it was a supercharging issue and once I am at another supercharger I will be able to get home (I live in NYC). **12:43PM:** I get a text message saying that they have no available tow companies and I should call my insurance company to get the tow. I asked for the representative to call me as I had questions. Who would pay for the tow? What do I tell this tow company? This will take even longer. I have to call my own tow get to a charging station hope that the car charges wait for the charging and then drive home to NYC. And if it doesn t charge I have to get another tow to the service station. I was cold and tired and asked if they can just tow it in the morning and I will figure it out. I have an early morning flight to go and celebrate my daughter s first birthday. They agreed to that and have given me a $100 uber voucher. I sit in the $155 uber right now wondering what to do next and how I am going to go get my car. Such a disaster. & #x200B Do I have any recourse? & #x200B [Car completed drained after Tesla Supports recommendation to heat car](https: preview.redd.it 967rcs00b1h41.jpg?width=4032& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=588e43158f2512f3720a69bb167b3c1dfd524c10) & #x200B & #x200B [This is a lie. All 10 were available and none were working.](https: preview.redd.it gl4lk0c3b1h41.jpg?width=3024& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=79ce38c0f5c356ab1a34dc91ac65cf76dd3b5899) & #x200B EDIT: Added photo showing chargers had lit TESLA logos. [The charger s were lit.](https: preview.redd.it 2m8p1jtsc1h41.jpg?width=4032& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=1d65d01c1cb7e7b2abf0201557febbaedbed53af) Here is a link to the SMS from tesla [https: imgur.com gallery HYoEOxo](https: imgur.com gallery HYoEOxo) UPDATE: 10:19AM- some towing company just called me and asked did tesla contact you? Your car is completely drained and I can t jump start it. I replied saying that they did not and what will happen next. He said he thinks Tesla will be sending someone else. I will deal with this when I land. I m on a plane for the next three hours. & #x200B 12PM- Missed voicemail from Tesla Milton Service station when I landed asking what was wrong with my car. I called back and left a voicemail explaining the situation. Soon after the Tesla app showed that the car was being charged. & #x200B 5PM- Seems like the car is still charging at the service station. | scotchtape400 | 2020-02-15 06:48:54 | 618 | fhoqihz | It s interesting on how some folks would just bash the OP for not doing X or doing Y instead of offering help or understanding the situation. OP calls Tesla Tesla is supposedly the expert therefore should be listened too told OP to run the battery to warm it up so the charger would start up. Only to be told nearly two hours later that the chargers weren t powered on. This is by no means OP s fault. This was 100% Tesla s fault for not informing that the Supercharger wasn t working initially on the call. If Tesla s charging support representatives has no way of figuring out if their own SC works without escalating to a supervisor then we have a bigger problem. Sorry that you had to deal with this situation but this just means that they really need to improve their customer support and roadside assistance program. | Yegmorcar | 2020-02-15 12:30:09 | 425 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
c5oita | Bad delivery had to accept scratched car | We were so excited to get our Model 3 a week ago alas I found a number of scratches on the car before we drove off the lot. The inside of the car had dog hair stuck into the rubber around a back seat window and lightly distributed in the back seat and floor in the back and there were oily grease marks in the back seat on a back door seat and on the steering column. Also a hub cap was bent and not seated. The Tesla employee delivering the car kicked the hub cap back on and got a guy to try to clean the inside but told us there was nothing he could do about the scratches he said the car was already registered and we would have to take it. He walked around the car noting certain things into a tablet. He took some pictures. I do not know what he wrote we never saw the pictures or the tablet. He told us someone would contact us. Of course no one has contacted us and I feel incredibly stupid. Can someone give us some advise regarding what we should do? We should not have paid full price for a car that is scratched. Also I asked the guy to explain the functionality that we would lose after our two week trial of the upgraded auto-pilot ran out so that we could specifically try that functionality to see if we should buy it (6k). The guy did not seem to know anything and steered us towards not getting the upgraded self-driving ability. Can someone here point me to where I should look for this? Edit: Thanks for the responses. I called Tesla just after they opened this morning and worked out that 1) Tesla does have a record of 2 separate areas of scratching and another area of paint chips 2) the delivery guy should have told us to make an appointment for repair using the Tesla app. Instead the delivery guy told us that we would not have to go back to Tesla but would instead work with a repair shop near us (Tesla is an hour away in stifling traffic yuck). Phone guy says he s going to bring this up with the manager to make sure delivery guy understands the correct procedure so hopefully someone will have a word with the delivery guy. I didn t complain about delivery guy s high pressure tactics but should have. I ve decided to keep the car. The scratches are small enough that I will probably make my own to match them in short order. I will keep the car for the next 7 days to try some of the full self-driving features and decide if I should pay the extra 6K for them (I want the true self driving capability but I think that will not come until there are large changes in the regulatory framework which might take a decade). Next Wed I will make an appointment through the App brave the traffic and get it fixed. Still one should be able to inspect before signing anything (we were not given the option) and be able to refuse delivery without pressure. | 4ndr3aO | 2019-06-26 11:10:50 | 25 | es31bx3 | > he said the car was already registered and we would have to take it. Excuse me for a moment while I find the manager and let him know that you re a piece of shit that belongs on a used car lot somewhere. | TheKobayashiMoron | 2019-06-26 11:57:13 | 55 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
lkt9bi | Bad job on the new UI | Sometime ago someone had mentioned that they didn t understand why people were hating on the new M3 Y UI. When my car updated I thought it looked quite good!... until I used it more and more. Suddenly it felt off? Now I am no graphic designer. In fact I know nothing about it. But I do know reading the discussions back then that there are certain ratios and elements and aesthetic rules as to where you place icons on a screen. I had seen two renditions of what this meant but I can t find them so I won t link them. When you see the hidden lines you have a sort of intuition of oh I ve always had an inkling of those partitions but its strange to see them for real. its like seeing the margins of a word document. So I decided in my COVID free time to try it out myself. It was pretty fun! Here is my rendition of the old UI:https: imgur.com a Xxm9Kfb And the new one: https: imgur.com a DX2qwvZ The **first** thing I noticed is the seeming sparseness of the new UI which meant I had less things to find rations relations with. Whether or not you think this is good or bad I don t know but if I was actually driving more things would appear on screen so I could ve potentially had more to work with. **Second** everything that has a pair or triplet in the same color is the same length besides the red. In the old UI you can see how structured different parts of the screen are. Whereas in the old one things tend to feel a little off. I also would like to put some blame on the fact that I couldn t figure out unable to take a screenshot so my camera warped it some. There is also the box in the middle which I have put as reference. There are equal size boxes within the interlacing other ratios which I found interesting. **Thirdly** is this idea of empty space. I like empty space. There s a reason some homes have massive ceilings or the long corridors of mansions or even an open uninterrupted backyard. Somehow though these proponents of the new UI seem to think that the old UI did not have any empty space and that people are ignorant for not liking it now? Well it is very clear that in the old UI as in the new one there is a ton of unused space in the middle where the car is seen driving. I would wager to say that the old UI had a good amount of empty space and that the new one has too much. People say it s for FSD but not everyone has it and not everyone uses it all the time and as I write this I wonder... when the car is actually able to drive itself competently and legally who is going to just stare at the rendition on the screen? Why not look up and actually see a real time better version of what is going on down there? It is more safe and if the screen is going to be used it will probably be used for watching videos or whatnot. Of course you can all judge for yourself but here is my theory: there are so many more ratios going on in the old UI and some may see that as overcomplicated but I see it as a work of art. The mixing and complying with set rules makes for some very tidy UI and I don t think the new one was done properly. Of course some actual designer may come in here and tell me I m wrong or how to improve on those that I made and I welcome it! | sukikano | 2021-02-16 02:11:42 | 54 | gnm69lc | The UI is embarrassingly bad. Going on 3 months soon... what the heck? Revert back to old one at least. The holiday update for 2020 was a huge disappointment. They should stop trying to roll out so many half baked features and focus on the essentials FSD autopilot improvements and Ui. | tubbernickel | 2021-02-16 05:04:14 | 65 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
wsm4ug | Bad luck: Tesla switching LTE from Telenor to Telia coverage in Norway | The last couple of weeks since firmware update 2022.20.8 I have lost LTE connectivity most of the places I park. Connecting Tesla service about what I believed to be a car or firmware defect they informed me that they switched provider and that the coverage may be different. To me this makes the app mostly unusable as Telia coverage is shit compared to Telenor s at least where I drive and park. Some may be luckier. No contact with the car while parked at work so cannot start heating or cooling or anything else. A real downer for me and I was so happy with the app allowing me to control the car everywhere. This really degraded the car s usability for me. Spinner in the app keeps spinning and times out sometimes a server failure message briefly shows. Anybody else experiencing loss of or degraded connectivity with their Tesla in Norway? | herr_akkar | 2022-08-19 19:07:21 | 24 | il1gzfj | Tesla should be using KPN from the Netherlands and simply roam in Norway. After all KPN needs to have changed the partner network and Tesla can t do anything about that. Sad but true. Luckily you don t really need Premium connectivity anyways as the only features missing is satellite map and live traffic visualization (all the streaming stuff works through wifi) and as long as the car has at least some sort of connection the app also works. So simply cancel your plan now only way to show that. That there s no coverage at all at works however really sucks. Do you maybe have wifi there to use? | Felixkruemel | 2022-08-20 07:22:46 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
51wous | Bad news for drivers looking to buy or lease a Tesla in Maryland. Funds for the $3000 tax credit have been depleted. | While not strictly Tesla related I know that are a few Tesla fans in the this subreddit living in Maryland. Special thanks to http: pluginsites.org for covering this: http: pluginsites.org funds-nearly-depleted-for-maryland-plug-in-vehicle-excise-tax-credit-for-fiscal-year-2017 Maryland had a excise tax credit of $125 per kWh of battery power up to $3000. This tax credit was good on purchases and leases. The funds for this tax were depleted in in [February 2016](http: pluginsites.org funds-depleted-for-maryland-plug-in-vehicle-excise-tax-credit-for-fiscal-year-2016 ) but were refunded in July 2016. At the end of August the MVA warned that funds were running low and on August 8th 2016 the MVA stated that the funds were now depleted for fiscal year 2017. http: www.mva.maryland.gov About-MVA info 27300 27300-71T.htm | BraveRock | 2016-09-09 10:19:40 | 34 | d7fhpf4 | So the article says the funds are depleted but the official MVA website says: *This program was limited to available funds and unfortunately those funds will be depleted in September 2016. So if I were to read that I would think it meant if you submit the form by the end of the month you still get the credit. | Raska | 2016-09-09 11:22:33 | 8 | EV Tax Credit Impact |
egzaxy | Bad news for orders still waiting for a VIN. | Unfortunately I just got off the phone with a Tesla representative who was extremely apologetic informing me that they will not be able to deliver my Model 3 before the end of the year. My White White 19 Non-FSD SR+ configuration was ordered first week of November and had a scheduled delivery time mid-afternoon tomorrow but I had a sinking feeling something was amiss when a VIN had yet to be assigned the day before expected delivery. As it stands I now have an projected delivery of second week of January. I have several friends and colleagues that placed orders after me and took delivery earlier this month so I pressed the representative on why my order was being delayed. Unfortunately the rep was not able to answer my questions aside from citing general production issues but did inform me that upper management (whomever that may entail) will be convening on Monday to formulate a way to compensate customers. If anyone placed their order in-person at a Tesla store the local reps have also been notified and I was told they should contact anyone affected soon. Pretty big damper on a generally positive time of the year but I m curious what news will be breaking on Monday. Anyone else get a call from Tesla about their car? | lanwayone | 2019-12-29 01:12:04 | 53 | fcbglyj | Screw it take one of the in stock awds! They have tons. Splurge! | upvotemeok | 2019-12-29 02:30:11 | 54 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
3bib0b | Bad reporting: Shares of Tesla Motors were sliding.... in pre-market trading Monday after the company s unmanned SpaceX rocket exploded shortly after liftoff on Sunday | http: www.thestreet.com story 13201802 1 tesla-motors-tsla-stock-sliding-following-spacex-rocket-accident.html?puc=yahoo& cm_ven=YAHOO It s so strange seeing the people in the comments bashing the proposal of millions in government funding to develop clean energy. Is this really a political issue? | pkdomo | 2015-06-29 13:28:32 | 33 | csmcm53 | NASDAQ is down 1.2% and these idiots think SpaceX is the major factor here? Get a grip. > NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Shares of Tesla Motors (TSLA - Get Report) were sliding down 2% to $261.75 in pre-market trading Monday after the company s unmanned SpaceX rocket exploded shortly after liftoff on Sunday according to the AP. Are they saying that the rocket is Tesla s? | FredTesla | 2015-06-29 13:32:48 | 43 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
73q5lk | Bad sales experience buying an inventory Model S what to do? | Hey everyone. I got lured by the sirens of end-of-fiscal-year promotions for an S 75D. I want to say that despite what follows I m happy with the car and by the delivery experience. My Delivery Specialist was very professional and knowledgeable. I took delivery this Saturday and it s a fantastic car. My frustration is with the sales person I met at a Tesla showroom and who sold me on the inventory car. Being a newcomer to Tesla I had of course many questions and feel that I have been misled on some of them: 1. My question: Is the car equipped with the full self-driving package? Sales person s answer (confirmed in writing): Yes it s just a software update when it s ready. Reality: my Tesla account shows me that I can upgrade to the FSD package for a price. 2. My question: Is the car equipped with the premium package? (that would be premium audio HEPA Bioweapon and Sub-Zero packages according to Tesla s online S Design Studio) Sales person s answer (verbally only): Yes absolutely. We even made a side-to-side comparison of the prices with a CPO. Reality: no premium audio in delivered car (the other options are there however). 3. My question: Is it the same car as shown in the Design Studio equipment-wise? Sales person s answer (verbally): Yes absolutely. Reality: no Smart Air Suspensions in delivered car. 4. My question after ordering and seeing a CHAdeMO notice appearing in the documents section of my Tesla account: Is a CHAdeMO adapter coming with the car? Sales person s answer (in writing): Yes it s included with the car. Reality: Delivery Specialist said that it was a paid accessory if I wanted it and was not included with the car. I m new to Tesla and upon research I see that I could have checked those first two questions in the invoice listing but I didn t know (then) that the standard options (such as Smart Air Suspensions) and premium package weren t the same in July (month of production of my car) as they are now. I admit to feeling cheated by the sales person. If the sales person had been more honest (or knowledgeable?) I think I might have gone with a CPO instead. Now just having to pay for the FSD upgrade negates the savings of the promotion. ~~Another factor that sold me on the inventory was the lease s very low interest rate. The sales person told me (verbally only) that it was a promotion ending on September 30 for cars delivered up to that date only (so no bueno for a new CPO). And yet the interest rate promotion is still online now without any end date shown.~~ How would you handle this? I feel that for a premium car this kind of sales behavior is not OK. Has anyone else been cheated by Tesla s sales team like this? Who should I contact to rectify this? What can actually be done to rectify this? **TL DR:** Got sold on an inventory car and told it had equipment options it doesn t. ~~Got pressured by a soon-to-end low interest rate on the lease yet the promotion is still available after it s alleged expiration date.~~ Feeling frustrated and wondering what to do now. | josh11ch | 2017-10-02 02:35:38 | 28 | dns99fu | When I got an inventory car they sent me a pdf with all the options included in the car. You never got that or requested it in writing? | ClevelandSteamer81 | 2017-10-02 02:38:17 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
l9s4sk | Bad supercharger directions on the New Jersey Turnpike | Tesla supercharger directions on the NJTP need serious help. Tried to take me off the highway outside the toll area and to the delivery gate of two rest stops this afternoon when the superchargers were both in the rest stops themselves. Burnt up a few miles and a decent amount of tooth enamel in the process. | danhauber609 | 2021-02-01 02:07:31 | 21 | glk7ujp | Where did you have that problem? I haven t run into it yet and have used a bunch of superchargers along the turnpike but would like to avoid it in the future | davefink | 2021-02-01 04:14:11 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
h9ghpa | Bad test drive experience | Hey everyone hate to be that guy but just looking for some feedback. On Saturday I test drove the LR M3 at Tesla s dealership in downtown DC. I enjoyed the (brief) time I had with the car but the whole experience rubbed me the wrong way. I set up the test drive online earlier in the week and requested a trade-in quote. The next day someone from Tesla texted me and we set up the paperwork for the test drive (copy of my DL waiver). The paperwork had a spot for your insurance if you took it home for the night so I asked how much time I got with the vehicle and was told 30 minutes. Not long given the time it takes to get from downtown DC to the freeway but fair enough. I get to the store and after a phone conversation on opposite sides of the door I m given instructions on how to go down and get the car. As I m pulling out of the garage they call me again to confirm I have the car. I reply yes and that we ll be back in 30 minutes to which I m advised that I actually have 15 minutes in the car. With the protests going on and street closures that s barely enough time to get it on the freeway for one exit before bringing it back to the dealership so I was unable to try the autopilot features. The connectivity wasn t working (seemed to be disabled?) so I couldn t play music or get a feel for the speaker system which is one of the reasons I d like the LR model with the premium interior. After I got back I was asked how it went and then immediately asked to put a deposit down. Zero questions about what I was looking for which model I was interested in if I had any questions about the vehicle etc. I told them that I was going to test drive a few other vehicles and that I d call them later in the week - they called me 3 hours later asking me if I was ready to put down my deposit. I get that they re still car salesmen and that it s nearing the end of the quarter but after lurking here for so long I expected a much better experience. Roughly 20 minutes total with the vehicle and no opportunity to test some of the features I care about (autopilot sound system etc.) wasn t enough to justify dropping $50k on a car. Am I expecting too much here? I d especially like to hear from those who have taken a test drive since social distancing started. Thanks in advance. EDIT: Thanks for all the feedback everyone. It sounds like this doesn t match up with y all s experience - I ll be scheduling another test drive (hopefully an overnight) at the Tyson s location. Also looking into renting one on Turo. Thanks! EDIT 2: Someone from the showroom saw this post and reached out to me with an apology and an offer for an overnight test drive. Sounds like it was a fluke experience - excited to get some more time with the vehicle but wanted to update for posterity s sake. | amasononthehill | 2020-06-15 13:36:43 | 74 | fuwf3tk | I havent had a test drive since social distancing- but I have never encountered anyone at tesla being pushy like a typical car salesman before. That s very strange and it makes me wonder how their pay is worked out.. if they need to make a quota.. | some1uused2know | 2020-06-15 13:40:15 | 49 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ctk21q | Barcelona store and sales | Was in Barcelona for a few days. Didn t really see many teslas on the road. So when passing by the store I decided to go in and have a chat with one of the staff. He said the cars are selling quite well they are picking up steam. However because they only started a short while ago they are not popping up regularly on the streets yet. According to the staff Tesla is stealing the Zoe and leaf sales and the charging stations are expanding. | reddit_tl | 2019-08-21 17:29:07 | 32 | exlwwuy | I live in Barcelona and the number of Teslas you can see is growing. Months ago I used to see one per week if I was lucky. Nowadays I see Teslas daily. And Tesla taxis are appearing too! And mine is already ordered so... soon another one in Barcelona! | LeonMessin | 2019-08-21 20:51:09 | 21 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
64ge69 | Barebones s60 | Thinking about pulling the trigger this week. Trying to keep cost down as much as possible since it s an absurd amount of money to spend on a car. Only thing for sure is EAP. A few questions: Do you think a large (80lb) dog could ride in the back for short distances? I m thinking since you can have kids back there a dog may fit. If you were to go leather or premium which would it be? Can you get two federal rebates in one year for EV s? Update: placed the order. Went with just the glass roof EAP and leather carbon fiber. | babyandbailey | 2017-04-10 00:22:04 | 17 | dg1y76i | My lab rides in in the trunk with the parcel shelf folded back. Done a few 2hr trips. She is happy to travel in there. Even when she is sharing the space with a few bags. Put a tarp in the trunk to reduce dog hair mess. | aten | 2017-04-10 00:33:50 | 13 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
ftqpcg | Barron s used The April fools day joke on the “Cybertruck redesign” from Carbuzz in their latest article | [Tesla Might redesign its Cybertruck. That isn t why the stock is slipping](https: www.google.com amp s www.barrons.com amp articles tesla-stock-redesign-cybertruck-concept-preorders-deliveries-sales-51585843895) I emailed the journalist and asked him to address the fact that the article was a prank from carbuzz Edit: The journalist addressed his mistake and edited the article | Stellatro | 2020-04-02 17:38:32 | 158 | fm8ic9w | I saw the Barron s article too and wondered where they got their information. Just another example of how incestuous journalism is anymore. | TWANGnBANG | 2020-04-02 17:51:57 | 80 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
6qda3j | Base Model 3 + EAP vs Specced Leaf & Bolt | **2017 Nissan LEAF SL** with every option. because it s been the most popular BEV and has a similar price. This is current model not the one coming out in September. **2017 Model 3 Base + Enhanced Auto Pilot** Keeping the base price with the most compelling option. **2017 Chevy Bolt Premier with Infotainment & Driver Confidence II Package** Configured with the higher trim level and option packages to have feature parity with the Model 3. | Leaf | Model 3 | Bolt ---|---|----|---- Price | 39 225 | 40 000 | 43 510 Range | 107 | 220est | 238 Miles with 30 Minute Charge | 67 | 130 | 90* 0 - 60 | 10 | 5.6 | 6.4 Touchscreen | 7 | 15 | 8 Climate Control Zones | 1 | 2 | 1 Seats | Leather & Heated | Cloth | Heated* Heated Steering Wheel | Yes | No | Yes USB Ports | 1 | 2 in front | 2 in front (2 in back*) OTA Updates | No | Yes | No Top down parking view | Yes | No | ? Collision avoidance | No | Yes | Yes* Autopilot | No | Yes | Yes* Hill Hold | No | Yes | ? Wheels | 17 | 18 | 17 Audio | 7 Speaker Bose | Not Bose | 7 Speaker Bose* Head Room | 41 37 | 40 38 | 40 38 Hip Room | 52 50 | 53 52 | 52 51 Leg Room | 42 33 | 43 35 | 42 37 Shoulder Room | 54 53 | 56 54 | 55 53 Curb Weight | 3391 | 3549 | 3563 MPGe | 112 | 132est with 56kwh | 119 Drive Wheels | Front | Rear | Front Cargo Volume | 30 | 15 | 17 Negotiate with dealer | Yes | No | Yes (*) Is addition cost for the Bolt. I didn t do this for the Leaf since it has a lower price than the 3. Kim Reynolds from Motor Trend had an extended test drive on Thursday with Franz. [Here are some of his thought](http: www.motortrend.com cars tesla model-3 2018 exclusive-tesla-model-3-first-drive-review ) * (First sentence) The Tesla Model 3 is here and it is the most important vehicle of the century. * If anybody was expecting a typical boring electric sedan here nope. The ride is Alfa Giulia (maybe even Quadrifoglio)–firm and quickly * As we pack up I m thinking. Recently I ve been spending some time in Motor Trend s long-term Chevrolet Bolt EV and with every mile edging closer to calling it The Automobile 2.0. With its affordability stress-free range and delightful driving qualities I m thinking that maybe this is where the second era of the car commences. Pause that thought. With the Tesla Model 3 s performance slinky style fascinating creativity and critically its Supercharger safety net I think this is truly where it begins | hkibad | 2017-07-29 20:37:07 | 22 | dkwedst | What many people still won t understand until they experience it: the value of OTA updates. My 2013 Model S is nothing like it was when I purchased it. It has tons of new features and an entire new UI and it would feel very outdated today if it wasn t for that. | electrifiedVeggies | 2017-07-29 21:07:06 | 21 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
b5d6vu | Base Model 3 isn t actually available | I just got a call from someone at Tesla asking me to pay more for the longer range model 3. Otherwise my configuration won t be ready until the end of June. This is after telling me my car would be ready by the end of March and having me cough up more cash when I ordered. Customer service is really souring me on this purchase. Makes me wonder if my car will ever be ready. Maybe I d be better to get the cash back and wait until one is physically in front of me before buying. Anyone getting similar calls? This was the IL location. | CheesyTraveler | 2019-03-25 16:57:13 | 99 | ejcuahd | Your experience is literally the definition of a bait & switch: “Customers are ‘baited by merchants advertising products or services at a low price but when customers visit the store they discover that the advertised goods are not available or the customers are pressured by sales people to consider similar but higher priced items” File a complaint with your state s Attorney General. | NewCrackDealer | 2019-03-25 18:22:38 | 95 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
7ttnlm | Base Model 3 will have an aluminum roof | Yesterday I went to the model3 showroom car in Santana Row (San Jose) and I had 2 minutes in the car. I asked the specialist (the guy sitting in the car describing all of the features) about if the glass roof is also standard on the base model and he said no the standard model comes with an aluminum roof. I know sometimes the showroom people know about as much as people from this subreddit but his immediate response and the fact that he said aluminum not metal makes me think he knows this as a fact. | donut_care | 2018-01-29 16:56:08 | 98 | dtf2gyd | Not illogical. We knew it was metal and many of the panels of the care are Al. Plus Al is light and you want your mass down low. That being said as with all things Model 3 I ll believe it when I see it. Too many things are in flux... | _rdaneel_ | 2018-01-29 16:57:27 | 73 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
4nwzzi | Base model owners do you ever wish you had a faster acceleration version? | Title says it all | PappyPoobah | 2016-06-13 18:23:24 | 18 | d47p64u | I have never been beaten off the line in my lowly S70 and anyone who has ridden in the car think it s the fastest car they have ever been in. I did test drive the P85D and it was exhilarating but my wife gets pissed when I floor the s70 because it whips her back. She probably would file for divorce if I had the P90DL. | ClevelandSteamer81 | 2016-06-13 19:18:57 | 46 | Electric Performance Car Comparison |
e231j5 | Based on search interest Tesla just won the Internet | The magnitude of the change since Cybertruck is insane look at this: Tesla vs Ford since 2004: https: trends.google.com trends explore?date=all& geo=US& q=Ford Tesla Tesla slowly crept up to a third of the interest vs Ford. Tesla vs Ford last 90 days: https: trends.google.com trends explore?date=today%203-m& geo=US& q=Ford Tesla& hl=de& tz=-60 Regardless of CT success this was probably the most impactful product introduction in history outperforming even initial interest in iPhone. A spike was expected but it is way way more that e.g. Model 3 | DukeDarkside | 2019-11-26 19:29:31 | 110 | f8t7qaq | Here s an interesting Google Trends [comparison](https: trends.google.com trends explore?date=today%201-m& geo=US& q=mach%20e cybertruck) of the Ford Mustang Mach E unveil vs. Cybertruck unveil. Cybertruck wins 100:30 meaning it was 3.3 times as popular. | brandude87 | 2019-11-26 19:46:54 | 31 | Revolutionary Tesla Cybertruck |
6qe0r3 | Based on the Model 3 supercharging specs are we to assume the 2170 architecture limits supercharging speeds? | I saw the supercharging numbers and based on the estimated kWh of the battery pack was curious if the new packs could not support as high of supercharging speeds. Culprit: battery size chemistry or marketing? | supratachophobia | 2017-07-29 22:55:24 | 10 | dkwj7ai | Smaller batteries charge more slowly. | Dr_Pippin | 2017-07-29 23:01:33 | 10 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
l4r2un | Basic Autopilot Reacting To Traffic Lights? | No it doesn t stop at red lights. However a drive the other night and Elon s recent tweet has me convinced there is (new) logic built in for basic Autopilot to react to traffic lights. Let me explain. The most convincing evidence that I ve heard about before is that: if Autopilot comes to a stop behind someone at a red light and they creep after you ve fully stopped Autopilot will not. However when the light turns green Autopilot will creep forward even if the lead car has not moved. New evidence from the other night: I was coming up on a red light with a handful of cars stopped. Autopilot started slowing down (well before it usually does as well) speed dropped from like 48 to like 43 mph but then the light turned to green. As soon as this happened Autopilot stopped slowing down EVEN THOUGH the cars had not moved yet. There was enough distance that it didn t make sense to slow down more. It was perfect exactly like a human literally no unnecessary braking. This happened consistently 3-4 times. It felt like the car was predicting the lead car s future acceleration. My understanding is that this is not currently possible so maybe it just has logic to not slow down as much if there s a green light and slow down further back if it s red? Did I just get lucky? Because it was fantastic and felt like an entirely different system. Anyone have experience with this? Is this a known thing and I just hadn t heard of it? It took me by complete surprise I figured they turned off all reactions to traffic lights for basic Autopilot but that doesn t seem to be the case. Elon just tweeted that Tesla is steadily moving all NNs to 8 camera surround video. This will enable superhuman self-driving. including basic Autopilot. Could this be the first signs of this? | TonedBioelectricity | 2021-01-25 16:16:30 | 23 | gkq7myv | Just because traffic lights are not in the feature set of basic autopilot does not mean it completely ignored them. For one thing red light warnings are for basic autopilot and it would obviously need to act on traffic light information. Another example is when your lane splits into an exit lane navigate on autopilot knows which lane continues straight and which lane is the exit. However if you are driving on basic autopilot mode it will still use that logic to determine which one continues straight on the highway and avoids the exit. | tp1996 | 2021-01-25 17:24:17 | 18 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
y78460 | Basic Autopilot problems getting worse and worse by the update. Stop-and-go traffic basically unusable. | I ve had my 22 M3 RWD coming up on a year. It of course was always fully Vision Only with no radar. Over the past year I had to wait for updates to get up to similar specs as the radar enabled cars: following distance finally 85MPH etc. Overall in the beginning I didn t have too many complaints with Autopilot. I didn t have the phantom braking that many did. The only complaint I had early on was Autopilot drove too aggressively in stop-and-go traffic. Mainly it would fully accelerate up if the car in front just barely moved. It was so embarrassing I would never use it with guests in the car. I was able to work around that for the most part by lowering autopilot speed and changing to chill mode in those moments. Not ideal but it somewhat worked. I would do every software update in hopes it would fix it like a lot of do. Fast forward to today. I down right refuse to use Autopilot in traffic because of how dangerous it is. It drives like a teenager learning to drive. It still does that full acceleration thing but now it slams on the brakes as soon as a car in front stops in stop-and-go traffic. And when I say the car in front stops I don t mean they slammed on their brakes they were driving like a normal good driver would. I ve had two different times where the brake check my cars does causes the person behind me to almost hit me. Needing to swerve off to the side. I m too fearful to use it for the day when a driver behind me is just a tad distracted and bam accident. My old tricks of speed following distance chill mode don t seem to matter as much. Is anyone else dealing with this shit? I keep hearing they are gonna combine the FSD stack and life will be bliss but I m not holding my breath. Stop-and-go traffic is the true time Autopilot should shine but I d honestly say that I ve driven in shittier competitors cars and they do a smoother job of it. Tesla really needs to get their head out of their asses and address things like this. I ve owned TSLA for a long time and followed the M3 since release. I feel we are reaching a critical time for the company with all the competition. It depresses me to say that right now I might recommend others to look at different manufacturers for a car. Tesla still is a very niche car for a specific personality until they can make it better for the masses. | HersheyStains | 2022-10-18 14:10:09 | 847 | istf83j | Follow distance is not the same as braking behavior and in my opinion Tesla has done a terrible job with braking behavior. As a normal human if the car way in front of me is stopped I smoothly decelerate as I approach it and glide to a stop at a reasonable distance away. On autopilot the car drives ahead full speed and then slams on the brakes uniformly to come to a stop. Follow distance 1 – it slams on the brakes very close to the car. Follow distance 7 – it slams on the brakes a lot further away but no less aggressively. | gabo2007 | 2022-10-18 15:57:45 | 526 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
nbzvor | Basic autopilot in rush hour traffic | Considering buying the 2021 Model Y long range. I really enjoy the act of driving and after some research I ve found that I don t need the FSD for now as long as it does one thing right- get me through rush hour traffic safely. I m real tired of pressing the brake 5000 times coming back from work and am often jealous of the adjacent tesla driver who is just chillin in traffic. So is this safely accomplished with the basic autopilot without FSD? Can it be herky jerky and upset the drivers around you? Thank you. | yankkss | 2021-05-14 04:03:53 | 26 | gy2cczx | If you encounter herky-jerky mode you can damp it down by switching acceleration profile or altering the following gap. A smaller gap means harder braking. Switching acceleration mode alters how fast you ll be going when the car hits the brakes. | manicdee33 | 2021-05-14 04:40:16 | 23 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
2tlacw | Basic question: how much for a battery? | I realize that its unlikely I would ever have to buy a battery but people ask this relentlessly. How much for a new battery? and how long do they last? | pollovaldostana | 2015-01-25 05:49:52 | 11 | co06r8v | Tesla is not currently in the business of selling batteries directly to owners since everyone s batteries are currently under warranty for 8 years. The last time a guy was able to buy an 85kWh battery direct from Tesla however [it cost him $42 500](http: www.greencarreports.com news 1089183_life-with-tesla-model-s-battery-upgrade-from-60-kwh-to-85-kwh page-2) before the trade in value of his old pack. Any other number you re getting quoted for a Model S battery is nothing but speculation. The truth is right now a Tesla battery is extremely expensive. An insurance company will total your car if the battery is damaged beyond repair in a collision. No one knows how much it is going to cost 8 years down the road but we all hope it will be well under $20k. The Gigafactory is going to make a big difference in price and it should be complete by the time Model S batteries are failing out of warranty. | jonjiv | 2015-01-25 12:16:00 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ciat6d | Bass and rear audio cuts out for a moment Model 3? | So I ve been noticing lately when I have the volume pretty low about 1 4 of the way I hear my rear door speakers cut out and the sub of the premium system disappear for a second or 2 I can continue hearing my front speakers but then it all kicks back in and sounds normal. Has this happened to anyone else? | t0mmyr | 2019-07-27 00:25:27 | 13 | ev32t2r | Can confirm this is an issue with my car as well. Additionally today s update (2019.24.4) makes the car slower to respond to volume up and down movements from the scroll wheel. | Knulla_Mig_Hardare | 2019-07-27 00:43:01 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
3sj9g6 | Batteries and lithium | I was doing some research on lithium ion batteries yesterday and I was trying to figure out how much lithium is in each cell but I was having difficulty finding any source for this info. Does anyone know? Also Tesla recycles all of their dead batteries does anyone know how much lithium can be rescued from the old battery? | _____hi_____ | 2015-11-12 14:09:04 | 12 | cwxpmio | Might be in here at least google seems to find the total use there and you can divide it by cells? http: my.teslamotors.com it_IT forum forums technical-battery-discussion Tesla will recycle batteries but the main recycling will be replacing dead cells with new ones. I know nothing about the yield but that is also probably unknown to everybody as we do not know how big this will be until there starts to develop an economy around recycling as EVs hopefully start replacing ICE. Just my quick reply. | snoozieboi | 2015-11-12 14:58:08 | 6 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
4vddo6 | Battery Aging - How long? | Does anyone have a ball park estimate for how long li-ion packs need to age for? | bmayer0122 | 2016-07-30 18:46:14 | 14 | d5xh6rv | The tech on our tour said they age the cells for 15 days in the aging room. | phbarnhart | 2016-07-30 19:32:26 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
lq19o3 | Battery Capacity and Range Study - Model S | **TLDR:** I downloaded 6 months of activity and found that my 2017 Model S has less capacity and range than hoped. Still happy I have it. [MS Battery Capacity and Range Study](https: imgur.com gallery pIG6Hny) **A few stats to add context around my car and habits** * 2017 Tesla Model S 100D * At the time of posting I have approx 91k miles * I commute 120 miles total Monday - Friday. 115 of those miles are highway * I cruise at roughly +8 MPH over the speed limit and use autopilot when at all possible * Weekend driving is usually more spirited and is approx 30 miles per day * 90% of the miles in this study are with the Tesla OEM 21 inch Sonic Carbon Wheels on Michelin Pilot Sport A S 3+ Tires * The most recent 3500 miles are on 20 inch Sonic Carbon replicas from TSportline with Michelin Primacy A S - 245 40 20 \*\*I will likely do an efficiency study on the difference between the 21 and 20 inch wheels and tires this summer so I can control for temperature variance and compare the same commute at similar temps * I also reduced the negative camber in the rear to the minimum Tesla recommended setting after purchasing adjustable camber and toe arms **Here s what I did** Using TeslaFi I downloaded all of my drives and charges over the last 6 months. I then did some quick math in Excel to come up with estimated battery capacity based on driving as well as charging. I also used that data to estimate range at various speeds. These stats are all based on my actual driving habits over the last 6 months. I would consider myself a normal driver with slight acceleration bias. Goal isn t to go fast...just like to get to my target speed fast. \# of Drives used: 740 (deleted drives with less than 100% accuracy based on TeslaFI readings) \# of Charges used: 369 (deleted charges with less than 1kw added) For Battery Capacity based on Driving: I divided the kW used by the % used as reported in TeslaFI For Battery Capacity based on Charging: I the kW added by the % added as reported in TeslaFI For Range: I took the avg watt hours mile at various speeds and divided it by the average battery capacity calculated from the Battery Capacity based on Driving number **Here s what I found** Based on driving my battery capacity is 81.8 kW. Based on charging it is 91.5 kW. Not sure why there is such a discrepancy. Maybe you guys have an opinion here? I also found that my max range is achieved at 60 MPH and that range is 247.3 miles. Obviously there are several other variables not used in the calculation (elevation change temperature overall weather conditions drafting other cars trucks) but this is about as close to accurate as I can get without adding those other variables. If only I had enough time to play with it. For this study 95% of miles used are my M-F commute. My observations...actual range and capacity for my car is much less than the stated range and battery capacity from Tesla. The real world range of 247 miles is a pretty big difference vs the 335 miles (or 305 based on having larger wheels). Much of that capacity loss is expected over time. Especially with the mileage of the car. All that said love the car. Wish I d owned one sooner. Came from a BMW X5M @ 16.7mpg...driving 35k miles per year is racking up some SERIOUS gas savings now that I have the MS. Anyway attached is a grid that shows my findings. Happy looking! | 0bviously | 2021-02-22 22:01:51 | 24 | gofag19 | A friendly reminder that kW is the unit for power and kWh is for energy. I think you are using kW here when you should use kWh instead. This mixup is very common. | Rompix_ | 2021-02-23 04:13:51 | 16 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
c1xfp7 | Battery Coolant Leakage Model 3 | Has anyone else experienced battery coolant leakage very early on in ownership (first 5 days). Had my model 3 for two days before I saw blue coolant on the floor of my garage. Brought it in to service they had for a week said there had to have been an “air bubble” in the close system and the says tried to “burp” it out which lead to the coolant leakage because they couldn t find any other leaks. Had it home for 1 day and same problem occurred. They ve now had it for two weeks and pronounce it ready “again” | Paria2 | 2019-06-18 03:54:48 | 10 | erg9iti | Are you sure its coolant and not blue raspberry koolaid? Ask the SC to taste test for you | MetalStorm01 | 2019-06-18 04:04:51 | 12 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
ejncnq | Battery Coolant Pump or Fan Always on and Making Noise | Hi everyone I am long time fan and new owner of Model 3 SR+. The car runs well but it seems the battery coolant pump or some fan in the front is constantly running. It seems to be coming from the center-back of the front hood and can be heard distinctly from the inside or outside of the car. This pump fan seems to be constantly on even when the car is parked not charging and I have pressed the power-off button. Seems to stay on even after hours of being parked.... Is this normal? I am worried there is some defect in the battery cooling or somewhere else that is causing this pump fan to run constantly..... I expected the car to be fairly quiet when parked and turned off similar to an ICE car... Do other M3s make this constant sound noise.... It seems excessive that it would have to run constantly.... Does anyone have recommendations on how to sanity check this? Is there a way to diagnose check any of this stuff with OBDII reader or something like that? Otherwise I will contact the service center to ask them about it. I recorded the sound by placing my phone in the frunk area..[ link to recording here](https: drive.google.com open?id=1baucPQu7OuMmKYrRC7rHTtCfZ5MQXbTe). & #x200B UPDATE: Short story turning off Sentry mode made the noise go away. I did some more testing over the weekend. This time I was more careful and deliberate. Turned off Sentry mode left car unplugged (not charging). Checked after 2 hours the noise had gone away. Tested this 1-2 more times and it was consistent behavior. So I guess Sentry mode needs the vision (Autopilot) computer to be on which requires cooling and the coolant pump to run constantly. That is my best guess. Still seems kinda weird since I would think a computer would not need cooling in a MN winter when it is 20F outside. Anyway seems resolved for now thanks for the feedback from everyone! | LevLandau | 2020-01-03 23:00:02 | 24 | fcz4c7y | Mine basically runs whenever the car is awake for any reason. When it goes into deep sleep (not charging Sentry Mode off haven t opened a door in a few minutes etc) it shuts down and goes silent. | Skymogul | 2020-01-03 23:16:42 | 10 | Tesla Model 3 Audio Experience |
2fjjxs | Battery Cost vs Energy Density | I was just wondering that the improvement in battery technology that Musk and Straubel are talking about is it just a reduction in cost due to economies of scale or is there increase in energy density. If both or either can somebody link some figures. Thanks. | Drdontlittle | 2014-09-05 11:50:24 | 11 | ck9tfrn | Musk said that they don t need a new discovery in battery tech to achieve a 30% cost decrease. So yes economy of scale and a more efficient managing of the supply chain. | FredTesla | 2014-09-05 12:01:04 | 6 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
iz9bd6 | Battery Day: Implications for Supercharging | Did anyone feel like Tesla left out a lot of details about the new cells implications on Supercharging? They showed one slide but it had no Y-axis and is somewhat hard to interpret. Tabless should give some amazing benefits here and I would think it would be something to highlight. We heard nothing about the max charge rate charging curve and also the longevity of the battery. Does everyone feel like this was intentional and related to the Osborne effect? | mcot2222 | 2020-09-25 00:27:05 | 44 | g6hij6r | I think you nailed it. They wanted to answer Lucid back and show the world they re still the top dog without killing all sells in the meantime. I think a couple of things are going to happen in the next 18 months. I think we ll see a refresh of the S and X we will see the plaid S released early well see the new batteries start to be added to cars. They said 3 years but I think they re sandbaging for the above mentioned reason. | Poncherelly | 2020-09-25 00:33:21 | 33 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
cdzseb | Battery Degradation fix ? | Since purchasing my P3D in December I have watched the battery indicator lose 30 miles of range...these were very disheartening as I often do roadtrips and the extra range is really useful. The SC kept telling me that it was a software issue and it would readjust. Tried going from 100 to 0 back to 100 tried charging to 90% consistently and none of the drops in range were associated with the known 16.2 3 bug....I had enough...took it again to the SC and asked them to please take a good look because none of the previous answers seemed to be correct. Upon arriving the technician had this pulled up in the Internal Notes : Perform CAC reset as per article# [https: toolbox.teslamotors.com articles 47243](https: toolbox.teslamotors.com articles 47243). Advised the customer not to drop the SOC below 20% for at least 2 weeks. & #x200B From what I understood they reset the Calculated Amperage Capacity and they stated this would recalculate the charge over the next 2 weeks and that it was IMPERATIVE that I don t let the state of charge drop below 20% or it could result in a serious problem with the estimated battery readings and could even reduce it to zero...so we shall do just that. Immediately upon their resetting of the CAC battery estimate shot up to 310. Interestingly the battery percentage stayed the same but the estimated mileage shot up which means that the miscalculation was on the low end and not the top end. I m told that the car would have still shut off at 0% when it should have actually still had actually about 10% charge but still...this is good to know! The next few weeks will tell if the mileage stays within the 300s as is expected for a car this new. & #x200B The question then becomes...why the heck did this happen? SC s response: The Model 3 batteries are really sophisticated...the updates sometimes introduce some bugs into the BMS. So I asked why don t I see this with my Model X which has nearly 40 000 miles and has lost 0.5 miles from original specs? Their response: The Model X doesn t have such a sophisticated battery. LOL OK then. https: i.redd.it sv4n94fd3pa31.jpg | Delirium101 | 2019-07-16 17:02:03 | 75 | etxhypq | Thanks for the post! This is very good information to know. | CuriousCerberus | 2019-07-16 17:55:37 | 17 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
dncwvp | Battery Drain Experience - Long Vacation | I would like to share my experience with battery drainage while storing my Model X 75D for 86 days while traveling abroad: I started with 211 miles and came back with 29 miles left. On average my battery drained 2.12 miles per day. During my trip I only allowed myself to peek at my app once on day 41 to make sure I was on track to still have some juice left by the time I got back. Interestingly during the first 41 days I only lost 1.92 miles per day. For the next 45 days I lost an average of 2.28 miles per day. I was really happy with this result. I expected to lose around 3-4 miles per day because that is what I normally lose when I don t drive my car for a day or two. EDIT: there is a chance that overheat protection might have been intermittently activated. Although I left my car in an open-air covered parking garage we experienced the hottest July and August on record where highs usually hovered in the mid 90 s (which is pretty hot for Hawaii). | Lewers808 | 2019-10-26 11:54:09 | 45 | f5ahxuc | You re happy with that? It strikes me as a pretty nasty drain for a car that s supposed to be off. Tesla really needs a vacation mode or something where it shuts *off*. | gbs5009 | 2019-10-26 16:35:26 | 24 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
cld9dq | Battery Fire Warranty (Tesla Covers for whatever reason minus a few obvious exceptions) | If you haven t read through your warranty terms yet here s something I found really interesting: To provide you with even more assurance this Battery and Drive Unit Limited Warranty will also cover damage to your vehicle from a Battery fire even if it is the result of driver error. (Coverage will not extend to damage that had already been sustained before a Battery fire occurred or to any damage if the Battery fire occurred after your vehicle had already been totaled.) | kchau | 2019-08-03 02:05:41 | 17 | evv36la | I am surprised driver error counts after that one guy shot his battery | Lunares | 2019-08-03 07:25:18 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
es8os6 | Battery Investor Day Speculation | With the possibility of Tesla making their own batteries in addition to utilizing Maxwell technologies dry electrolyte would it be feasible to do away with using battery cells and instead just make one or two big batteries per car? I would imagine that this would help with energy density weight power output and manufacturing time. Note: I m a novice when it comes to batteries so forgive me if this is a dumb question. | Fortunateproblem | 2020-01-22 07:33:48 | 23 | ff8nim0 | A standard AA battery produces around 1.5V. Depending on the tech a lithium battery produces around 3.6V. If you wire them in parallel you can get higher current but if you wire them in series you ll get a higher voltage. For example a 9V battery is usually built out of 6 1.5V cells and a 12V lead car battery is made with 6 2.1V cells. Unless new techniques physics comes about you need an array of cells to reach the 350ish volts that a Model 3 uses to drive. There are other ways to change high current into high voltage etc but transformers are usually less efficient than working with the batteries directly. It s a balancing act and things change but we probably won t find new physics that lets us build a 100V rechargable cell that also has good qualities for a rechargable battery. Maybe it works great for 100 charge cycles but then the capacity drops sharply. | A_Crunchy_Leaf | 2020-01-22 10:04:19 | 31 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
9ecxw6 | Battery Pack Replacement | Has anyone had their battery pack replaced in their Model 3 RWD? I m curious on how long it took. About two weeks ago my battery (Model 3 RWD) started acting strange. I ve had the car 3 months. Full charge only showed a range of ~148 miles. Tesla service pulled the logs and something is up with the battery management system (BMS) and the battery pack needs replaced. Tesla came and towed the car to the service center a week and a half ago. I found out that it s going to take almost a month for repair. That seems like a crazy long time to me. Tesla has provided me with alternative (ICE) transportation but it s not the same. Not sure I can ever go back to something other than my Tesla. | TravisKUJayhawk | 2018-09-09 13:26:38 | 23 | e5nxj5v | Replacing the battery pack takes about an hour or two waiting for the parts takes about a month | TheLemmonade | 2018-09-09 14:07:32 | 53 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
dfo1ye | Battery Pollution Discussion Arguments | Hey Fellow Tesla Drivers One argument that continues to come up in conversation amongst those who are against the EV movement and Teslas in general is the age old battery pollution argument. I constantly hear things about how batteries cant arent recycled environmental impacts of battery material mining (nickel cobalt lithium graphite) etc. My Arguments Counterpoints thus far: 1. Production and end of life pollution are different from tailpipe pollution (emissions emitted while driving using the vehicle). Electric vehicles are not polluting constantly while in use like a traditional ICE. 2. Tesla does not source battery material (lithium for example) from organizations who mine in conflict areas like Congo. I was curious how you guys handled this question statement in discussions. Id really like to become more educated on the subject and get some more facts under my belts. Would also love to hear if you encountered any other arguments or situations in any conversation. Please share your thoughts below! & #x200B Edit: very disappointed and discouraged from ever posting on this subreddit again. I am posing a fair question as a owner and support of tesla and electric vehicles - yet this community responds by downvoting? | slammede46 | 2019-10-09 21:51:52 | 13 | f34q6pj | Ask them how well gasoline recycling is going? | EOMIS | 2019-10-09 21:55:03 | 18 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
eg002r | Battery Preconditioning on 40.50.1 | I noticed that after the 40.50.1 update when I turn on climate control from the app in advance of leaving my house when I walk into my garage there is a high pitched whine that definitely was not present before the update the sound reminded me of the sound when you are navigating to a supercharger and the battery is being preconditioned for max charge rate. It s cold temperatures here and the regen braking is always limited at the start of the drive but since the update and the whine the regen breaking is always fully available. This makes me think the update included battery preconditioning when turning on climate control remotely. I don t use the scheduled departure feature. Tl dr - since 40.50.1 when I turn on climate control in cold temps the same battery conditioning used for supercharging seems to be happening now so regen breaking isn t limited (maybe also so the range of the battery isn t cut as much?). | ajnietup | 2019-12-26 19:50:28 | 67 | fc3hifb | as long as you re plugged in that would be an awesome feature | bergler82 | 2019-12-26 19:51:58 | 25 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
4d67ii | Battery Selection | Is it better for battery life to choose a battery larger than you ll need and rarely drain it past 50%-60% or choose the base size and possibly push it closer to 80% usage on a regular basis. Does it shorten the batteries life if I m not draining it on a somewhat regular basis? Also will all the additional charging if going with the smaller battery stress and shorten the lifespan of the charging system batteries? I realize these systems are built for years of service but I m just curious if there is a preferable setup if you know what your typical usage will be. | graffix01 | 2016-04-03 13:51:34 | 16 | d1o4wz7 | Bigger battery allows more power throughput because there are more parallel connections so the car will be able to accelerate faster as well as charge faster and go further. It s normal for any battery pack to lose 10 - 15% of its holding capacity over the years but not more than that. It s good for the batteries to keep the energy inside them (80% charge). Depth of discharge determines the life of the battery (smaller the discharge the more cycles you get out of the battery). In conclusion: Bigger battery is better all around (except the fact that it s going to add about $11 000 to initial price)! | GiveMeThemPhotons | 2016-04-03 15:29:05 | 10 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8p9pqo | Battery Weight Change | I m an OTR Truck Driver and I was wondering if there is a significant weight change between a low battery level and a fully charged battery. Diesel weighs about 7 lbs per gallon and the truck I drive has 2 × 100 gal tanks. 1 400 lbs just for fuel alone. Does anyone know how much a battery weight changes? | dbryant86 | 2018-06-07 12:00:35 | 31 | e09he04 | Just think of your cell phone. It doesn t feel heavier on a full charge. | Electric_Luv | 2018-06-07 12:06:25 | 33 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
25v0hm | Battery architecture: i3 and Model S comparison | Hey guys I was looking at this BMW i3 and to me it seems like the platform was copy-pasted from Tesla s books. [BMW i3](http: www.bmw.ca _common shared insights corporation bmwi concept lifedrive-3.jpg) [Model S](http: tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com 2011 11 tesla-flat-pack.png) I was wondering the key difference between both. Are BMW using the same idea of laptop batteries to increase density? Are they cooling the battery as well? I thought we had some patents protecting our asses for the design that makes the Model S so great I was wondering if BMW was patent infringing with the i3. Like this patent: http: www.faqs.org patents app 20120160583 Otherwise what s the difference? This architecture was our competitive advantage over the competition I genuinely thought we had our asses covered on this one. | lamamafia | 2014-05-18 13:41:20 | 11 | chl25i7 | > I thought we had some patents protecting our asses for the design that makes the Model S so great I don t think this is a thought that aligns very well with Telsa s mission statement. Elon has made it pretty clear that Tesla s only goal is to advance the advent of electric vehicles. What BMW is doing here is almost in direct correlation with Tesla s mission. Even if the Tesla company went bankrupt yet all the large car companies succeeded in making electric vehicles given the influence of Tesla. I believe that Tesla would then be still considered a complete success they would have fulfilled their mission statement. At that point Elon could walk away completely satisfied.. | alphacentauriAB | 2014-05-18 16:23:28 | 7 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
dxyseg | Battery at zero in parking garage | I am currently 3 days into a 10 day trip. When I parked my car at the airport I had 88 miles left. It is parked in a cold area (Tempe in 30 s) I did turn off century mode but didn t do any other changes. I open the Tesla app on my phone this morning out of habit and saw that the battery is now at 54. Something is obviously draining the battery and not just because of this one time I opened the app. At this rate the battery will drain to zero before I am back. First is there anyway to slow down this battery drain via the app? Second for those of you that have run a battery to zero or similar situation in the parking garage how do they get the car out if the ceiling is too low for a flatbed? | Stuffc | 2019-11-18 05:23:34 | 17 | f7xeon7 | First stop opening the app. Second it s showing a reduced range simply because of the cold. Nothing to worry about necessarily just yet. | croninsiglos | 2019-11-18 05:26:07 | 50 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
c2i2q9 | Battery charge level restricted on Model S 60. Limped to Supercharger at max 60 mph | My 2013 Model S 60 threw a warning yesterday. Saying “Battery charge level will be restricted”. Left the car parked with around 29% and came back to it with 22% and flashing a battery warning. Car also can t accelerate past 30kW of power. Hardly gets up to 60mph. Interestingly it still has full regen up to 60kW. I was 25 miles from home but managed to limp along the interstate to the closest Supercharger with 3% left. I turned everything off that would use power to help my odds of making it. Plugged it up and highest charge rate was 15kW and it took an hour to reach 10% and the charge rate tapered to 4kW. Luckily my home is only 3 miles from the Supercharger so 10% was enough to get home. Plugged up overnight on my level 2 charger and woke up to it saying charge completed at 17%. I ve scheduled a service appointment but closets SC is 95 miles from me. Will hopefully get Tesla to tow it there. I m just thankful I m still under the battery warranty. I know I have the original B battery. Has anyone with a Model S 60 had a battery replacement recently? Do they still use refurbished ones or repair your old one? Any Model S battery shortages recently? Ideally a new battery would be great. Service was great last time I took it in for a drive unit issue. Turnover was very quick and got a loaner. Update 1: They ve determined there s an internal battery issue. They did not give me specifics. They re replacing the battery under warranty. The tech who called me said they were upgrading the battery to a 70. They apparently had one in stock. Did Tesla make a 70 pack? I m wondering if he meant 75. Unless it s a 75 software locked to 70. Update 2: It s showing as a Model S 70 on the app today. The tech informed me it was a refurbished 70 pack they installed. I m still wondering if it s a true 70 or a locked 75. | mrvnmg | 2019-06-19 14:55:42 | 16 | erk7b5x | Odds are you will get a better battery. Almost certainly not new though. You have the smallest battery they normally made. So everything is a step up. | Vintagesysadmin | 2019-06-19 15:10:12 | 19 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
bn2yex | Battery charging above limit | Own a 2017 Model S software version 2019.12.1.1 I charged my car to same limit every night at 80% which gives me around 210 miles of range. Today I notice when I got in the car was at 220. I looked at my charge limit and the car had charge over standard limit. Did a reset and hoping won t continue to happen. Has this been an issue for anyone else? | all_glory_tothe_toad | 2019-05-10 19:55:58 | 10 | en1t9y5 | It s not overcharging. The computer did its best to charge the car at 80% and stopped. After it stopped and the batteries cooled or warmed up and caused the calculated percentage to be slightly higher. I see this happen all the time. I charge my car to 80% at work and move my car as soon as it is done. I come back to the car later in the day and it is 82%. Gained 2% just sitting in the garage at work. | hamtonp | 2019-05-10 20:04:10 | 16 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
4ekyv1 | Battery density now and projections. | I just wanted to ask the community a bit about this topic if this is not appropriate for this subreddit please remove it. I just wanted to know where we stand in terms of energy density of the battery system vs The fossil fuels like Gasoline. Furthermore if we take into account the amount of electrical energy converted to mechanical energy per Kg of fuel battery taking into account the capacity of the mechanical component for eg for petrol engines .35 and for a battery over .9 then what are the results. How far off are we from a 1:1 or even 1:2 or a 1:3 between the two. At what energy density can batteries replace aviation fuel for jets economically for General purpose flight (not taking into account advantages like VTOL). | Drdontlittle | 2016-04-13 10:35:06 | 20 | d211wh6 | > At what energy density can batteries replace aviation fuel for jets economically for General purpose flight Musk suggested 400wh kg would be a minimum requirement for jet transport. | badcatdog | 2016-04-13 12:32:29 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8ni4o8 | Battery discussion | Starting at: https: seekingalpha.com article %3Clink%20rel=%22canonical%22%20href=%22https: seekingalpha.com article 4152035-battery-chemistry-assumptions-distort-nickel-cobalt-demand-forecasts%22%20 %3E https: techcrunch.com 2017 01 01 no-cobalt-no-tesla You can really see that a premises of the short position is the cobalt demand is out of control and it will price Tesla out of the market. Of course that was working of a high cobalt content battery thesis. It s worth noting as per the second link Tesla already chose NCA for S and X as it has lower cobalt that common NMC chemistries. So noting this in reference to here http: bgr.com 2017 08 04 elon-musk-tesla-battery-research-breakthrough > Musk seemed to hint that the company was in the midst of testing an intriguing new battery technology perhaps alluding to the work Dahn and his team of researchers have been putting together. > ”I mean there are some breakthroughs that I think are achievable. They re confidential so I can t talk about them on this call but there s one particular avenue that I m confident could be made to work. That would be fairly – the most significant one breakthrough in a while.” Was is Jeff Dahn s breakthrough a NMC chemistry that has very low cobalt use? Going off here: http: www.mining.com tesla-delivers-bad-news-cobalt-price > Nickel-Manganese-Cobalt (NMC) batteries favoured by most vehicle makers contain around 20% cobalt. [giant google translate link](https: translate.googleusercontent.com translate_c?depth=1& hl=en& nv=1& rurl=translate.google.com& sl=de& sp=nmt4& tl=en& u=https: www.wiwo.de technologie mobilitaet elektroauto-zerlegt-tesla-model-3-kann-gewinn-abwerfen 22625806.html& xid=17259 1500004 15700023 15700124 15700126 15700149 15700168 15700173 15700186 15700190 15700201 15700205& usg=ALkJrhhy7cvqpEKf5zNR3t_YTRoAJhrrwA) > According to the laboratory analyzes leaked to WirtschaftsWoche the cathodes of the Panasonic cells used in the new Tesla Model 3 consist of only 2.8 percent cobalt. The current state of the art is currently eight percent cobalt. **2.8%** compared to **20%** if Elon was here he would say thats *almost an order of magnitude* less. Is this what the shorts aren t seeing. That Tesla knew for quite sometime that cobalt was a serious threat and specifically designed a chemistry around it while the other manufacturers are left holding the bag that now costs 10 times as much. Insert reference to the hyundai Kona here that has battery shortage problems. The Model 3 of course is already the best selling EV and doesn t have and material shortages yet only production shortages. | Mantaup | 2018-05-31 12:47:03 | 16 | dzvn7sq | The shorts are the real victims here. They are being deceived by the likes of Spiegel Thanos legacy auto and fossil fuel interests. The poor sobs will lose a lot of money. | Archimid | 2018-05-31 13:27:51 | 9 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
7v8qhv | Battery drain while plugged in | I just don t get it. To me it seems counterintuitive on two fronts. First if I want to leave in the morning with 90% then I want 90% not 87%. However more important...second how does it make any sense to keep cycling the batteries to power a car that is plugged in? This just makes no sense on both fronts. Please help me understand... | imdubious | 2018-02-04 19:03:49 | 18 | dtqc183 | If 3% is that crucial to your drive you probably need to be charging to a higher state It s gotta draw the line somewhere. Charging it every time it drops a 1 4 mile seems inefficient. Letting it lose 3-5 miles before recharging seems like a reasonable decision. | Jddssc121 | 2018-02-04 19:08:20 | 14 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7lvqzu | Battery level after update | This morning my battery stopped charging at 219 miles where it was set to stop. There was also an update ready to install. So after putting away the charging cable I started the update. 30-ish minutes later update is now complete and battery is now at 227 miles. Car was unplugged during update. Is this normal typical? | burntcal | 2017-12-24 15:46:49 | 24 | drpbijk | I think what happened is that while you were sitting there (and still plugged in—shore power) the car “turned on” and started the battery warm-up cycle. You mentioned starting the update minutes later at which point the battery had time to warm up under shore power. A warmed up battery is a more efficient battery and so the SOC calculator will reflect it. | Frowawayduh1 | 2017-12-24 15:56:34 | 20 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
4d8t6l | Battery life: AWD vs RWD? | With the Model Ξ coming with RWD standard but AWD as an option I started to wonder: does AWD eat more battery power? | CrispRat | 2016-04-04 00:54:27 | 13 | d1oqtrz | AWD gets more range because one motor+gear set is optimised for acceleration and the other for cruising. So for example on the highway the Model S shuts off the rear more powerful motor and only uses the lower power front motor so the power consumption is lower. | afishinacloud | 2016-04-04 00:59:06 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4l550g | Battery maintenance best practices | TL DR - What are the best practices for battery maintenance at near full and empty and how much does the app manage it for you? 1) It s fairly common knowledge that you should keep your battery at 80% most of the time and only charge it up to full before going on a long trip due to excessive wear on the cells. But it is my understanding that it is only a problem if you charge it up to full and keep it sitting there fully charged. If you start driving right away is their no real long-term negative affects on the battery? 2) Is this also true about being below 20%? If you go below 20% but charge plug it in right away does it not excessively stress the battery? 3) Can you control the charge to full time in the app? Meaning can you tell the car you want to leave on a long trip at 10:00AM and it will charge it from 80% to 100% at just the right time or do you need to do the math in your head – It ll take an hour and a half to charge 20% so I need to start the extra charging at 8:00 AM? | MartyBecker | 2016-05-26 12:51:14 | 11 | d3kera2 | The marginal stress happens above 80% and below 20%. It s only a problem if you go above below all the time. It s not a big deal if you do it every now and then. You can adjust the speed of the charge from the car and it gives you an estimate of how long it will take to complete the charge to your desired range. You can t adjust the time to begin the charge front he app but you can start stop and adjust the stop charge point. | Ifuqinhateit | 2016-05-26 13:57:08 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
4n4p44 | Battery pack upgrades in the future... | I know this has been discussed before but if knowing or having a concrete answer on this would get me into a Model S sooner I want answers! If I buy a 75D now as an example... given that the Model S and X are the leaders for now and into the future it stands to reason that Tesla would support a battery pack upgrade to say a 100 115 down the road which in actuality should support increased performance (provided electrical components are upgraded also). I am asking about this because in a previous thread I was informed that the 70D 90D do in fact have the same motors but are limited by software and some basic cable components that support increased power throughput. I know Tesla has offered a pack upgrade to a customer before but I haven t heard it widely discussed and given that we re now beyond the 100k mark of vehicles on the road with many more to come and cars reaching 4+ years of life it seems to make sense that this should be a more open topic if Tesla wants their cars to last a long time. Not everyone is simply going to buy a new car. So if you know something -- share with the class because if I can get into a Model S quicker knowing this little bit of information or we can discuss it further to help shed some light on the thought of the possibilities I d love to know more. I m sure I m not the only one with these thoughts because 13k~ for a 15-20kWh upgrade may not be worth it to everyone right now. This also applies to the X of course. I m open to an X also if I could upgrade the range down the road given its current range limits. Discuss! | 110110 | 2016-06-08 12:12:29 | 20 | d414xe7 | Yes according to [Elon s Tweet](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 728126194244190208) | Fortunateproblem | 2016-06-08 17:31:08 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8zproj | Battery range loss | My S75 built in September 2017 delivered Oct 2018 now has almost 20 000 miles on it and the battery range has dropped to about 230-235 max down from the specification of 249. So about a 7% drop over 20 000 miles and 9 months of use. Is this typical? I feel like this is excessive. The first drop was within just a couple weeks it dropped to about 241 max charge. It stayed at 241 for several months. Then about a month or two ago I noticed it was down to the low 230 s consistently. Obviously I put a lot of miles on the car and supercharge a lot and charge to 100% a lot. By a lot I mean about half my charging is to 100% and about half is on a supercharger. I don t have hard numbers this is just my best guess. The rest of my charging is to 90% and most of that is using a level2 charger. Are there specific conditions I should charge at (ambient temp rest time after driving state of charge etc.) in order to truly get maximum range out of the battery (when I need it)? Are there things other than limiting number of supercharges and 100% charges that I can do to slow the degradation of my battery? | seenhear | 2018-07-17 22:29:07 | 14 | e2kiqr1 | I think you already have your answer. My 2014 S 85 started with 265 miles and now max is 250 so 5% loss but I m at 101k miles. I supercharge on road trips but rarely charge to 100% usually to 90%. If I were to venture a guess I d say it s due to charging to 100% but I m not sure. Just charge to 90 unless you need 100%. | camthehombre | 2018-07-17 22:38:27 | 13 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
l3fvfd | Battery replacement costs? | I took my dad to a Tesla showroom yesterday and he told me the rep said a battery replacement would have to occur every 100 000~ and would cost him $25k? I m pretty sure she has to be wrong or he didn t hear correctly but can someone verify for me? That alone would change everything and would make me reconsider getting a Tesla myself. Edit: I m not reporting anyone nor is this a trolling post. I think at worst she must ve miscommunicated or my dad misheard. I only shared this because it was pretty crazy to hear. | DatGuySebastian | 2021-01-23 17:01:58 | 35 | gkenkve | Pretty wrong. The batteries in the Model 3 Y are warrantied for 8 years or 120 000 miles. A few have put over 100 000 miles on their batteries and they seem to be holding up well. | Velocity275 | 2021-01-23 17:03:35 | 110 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6bgrmq | Battery restricted to 60kwh | Stupid question but can I expect a S60 s battery to degrade at 80% the pace of a 75? They re not just having the same 1 5 of the cells sitting uncharged are they? | mobilemoron | 2017-05-16 11:00:06 | 12 | dhmgbzk | Nothing you d notice and it s healthier at a lower charge than 100%. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5j7xso is_it_truly_okaysafe_to_fill_a_60_75_battery_to | 110110 | 2017-05-16 11:18:48 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
5u3g9k | Battery swaps - talked about for a time as the faster way to restore a Tesla vehicle to full charge (in 90 seconds.) How are we coming on those nowadays? | 90 seconds for a fast battery swap vs. 30 minutes for a supercharge - if you re in a hurry wouldn t you rather swap your depleted battery for a full one in just a minute and a half? How are things coming along regarding swapping batteries? How much closer are we to getting this employed in earnest for areas where there are more Tesla vehicles per capita? Or what s the hold-up? | TheSonOfWAY | 2017-02-14 22:17:04 | 10 | ddr22mz | There was not enough demand while Tesla was testing out the Battery Swap Program in California. So Tesla eventually scrapped the program and it looks like they re trying to improve supercharger capabilities instead. Battery swap might work for fleet operators and the Tesla Semi trucks but as far as regular consumer cars go it looks like people are willing to wait 20-30 min to charge for free vs pay $80 and go through the hassle of making an appointment showing up on time and returning the battery later | DDotJ | 2017-02-14 22:36:54 | 21 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7cuct0 | Battery temperature questions | Hi everyone! I bought my model S in the summer and as near freezing temperatures start rolling in for the first time in the UK I have started noticing the effect that the cold has on the battery. I am keen to prewarm the battery both before use and when it is sitting idle. I understand that when you plug in the car and leave it for a few days it will periodically monitor the battery temp and if too cool will suck a bit of electricity to warm the battery. Are there any settings I need to amend to enable this? I am also unsure how you can ‘tell the car to prewarm the battery. Using the app I can prewarm the cabin but the battery is clearly still cold (dashed yellow line where the regenerative breaking meter is on the dashboard). I currently have range mode set to ‘on which may affect things I hear. I also don t currently have parking at home although hope to have it installed during December. | Collosis | 2017-11-14 08:46:52 | 11 | dpsr39v | Hi. * You should turn off range mode and only use it on long distance trips where the range doesn t seem enough. See Bjorn s video [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=lSRv-REnUIg). * The battery will take care of itself and keep the temperature within certain limits. This is shown on the diagnostics screen that service technicians have access to. [Here](http: i.imgur.com KijMR0n.jpg) is a photo. However turning on range mode could make this less effective. * In winter the car s consumption increases because you use energy to heat the cabin and to heat the battery. When the battery is cold it performs worse. All these factors combined result in a range hit in winter which could reach 20%. Also if the battery is cold your displayed range might drop by 1-2%. Update: Check out Bjorn s video he uploaded today which happens to be relevant: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=T5G3NOPF1Ak | Teslike | 2017-11-14 09:46:45 | 14 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
5cqygg | Battery upgrade possible in the future? | I am wondering if it would be possible to let Tesla change the battery of your car in the future. Yes I know that you can upgrade your 60 to a 75 but thats not what I mean because that is on the software side.For example if you bought a Model S in 2013 with the 75kwh battery and 7 years later you would like to upgrade because at that point they might have a 140kwh battery for the Model S. This would be amazing if you could just upgrade your battery for maybe 5-20k ?Tesla already showed their battery swapping system a while ago and I think you would pay 5000 to 10000 but I don t really remember so could be completely wrong. | skopf87 | 2016-11-13 17:30:43 | 17 | d9yn1xz | Tesla is already offering this for Roadster owners and I read a story of someone upgrading one of the original 60kWh cars to an 85. They ll most certainly offer upgrades to S owners in the future. BTW there was no 75kWh battery in 2013. | GeekLad | 2016-11-13 17:54:11 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6tgl01 | Battery wear over time | Interested in buying a model s just curious how the battery decays over time and milage. Also how does warranty work on the battery? Thanks | Rylan1919 | 2017-08-13 17:55:30 | 11 | dlknrev | My car is currently at about 36 000 miles and 2.5 years old. When it was new the 90% charge level was 239 miles and 100% was 265 miles. Right now it s 238 and 262 respectively. I m quite pleased. | mikeash | 2017-08-13 20:14:19 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
a99605 | Battle of the Pre-Owned....Looking at Model 3 LR RWD vs P85D. I know they re super different. | Hello Everyone I am moving from a Chevy Tahoe to a Tesla and couldn t be more excited. I m torn between a 2018 Model 3 LR RWD and a 2016 P85D P90D I plan to keep the car until about 2022ish and then buy something new assessing what EVs are available then. Obviously the two are very different in different price ranges. I need advice in two areas: 1) I plan to start having kids within the next 2 years and I know the 3 is decently smaller than the S. Can the 3 comfortably hold a kid stroller and baby accessories? How does that pan out vs the S? 2) AP1 vs AP2. The used S s would be AP1 the used 3 would be AP2. I understand there are more cameras and such on AP2. When I have rented Teslas I only use AP in heavy crawling traffic so I can relax a bit or in the middle lane of the freeway. I do lane changes myself. I don t anticipate Full Autonomy being approved before I get a new vehicle so do you think I would be fine with AP1 in the meantime? Is AP2 dramatically safer? What are the differences now that AP2 has been out for a while? Thanks in advance for the help! | Envoy_to_the_Stars | 2018-12-24 21:54:30 | 12 | echexem | The 3 can easily accommodate a kid stroller etc. it s as big inside as a 3 series. I just packed a family of 3 in there with extra cooler spare sleeping bags for emergencies 5 bottles of wine luggage etc. no problem. Ap1 has 1 camera 2 has 8. They are close to par at this point. 2 will get better 1 will pretty much not. | raleel | 2018-12-24 22:08:03 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
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