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Most people don't owe the government money. We pay our taxes when they're due and we're done. As for what the government could have done, well it's government owned land, so they can do just about anything. That's what it means to own land. For example if I live in an apartment my landlord can raise the rent, evict me for non payment of rent, prevent me from owning a dog, sell the building to another owner, or even evict me so they can remodel the property. If I resist their efforts they can even have me thrown in jail. This really isn't all that complicated.	0	0	0	0	0
It was Don Kahle who not too long ago demonstrated his liberal tolerance by stating in this newspaper that George Bush was to blame for the Sandy Hook shootings.	0	0	0	0	0
I agree with the Southern Poverty Law Center: taking a passive approach towards people violating the law is not a good strategy. I am not criticizing law enforcement for how they handled the Malheur occupation; I think they handled it properly. What I am referring to is the long time (two years) that Cliven Bundy was allowed to flout the law. That hands-off approach directly led to the events in Oregon. I hope the US Justice Department has learned a lesson from this.	0	0	0	0	0
Now that I'm out of the game (not gonna compete with the retail biz.) I can focus on growing the absolute best Cannabis possible for me and my friends. I'm not complaining or bragging, but I would take the Pepsi Challenge with at least 75% of everything I've procured from any of the retails shops I've been to. I've always avoided pesticides, and have dumped more than a crop or two in lieu trying to save them by using pesticides and putting people at risk. I only wish the personal plant limit was more than four. Only getting to grow four plants doesn't really afford one the opportunity to play with genetics. If we could grow 12 or 16 mature plants, and maybe double that amount for immature plants, at least then you could dabble a little with some hybrids and phenotype selection. :(	0	0	0	0	0
You would be surprised how closely intertwined spirituality and science can become when attempting to understand primal causes. There are many things that can be quantified, but then there are many things that cannot. It has taken decades of training and practice in physics for me to realize how little we really know in terms of root causes. But it is human to believe things are pretty much understood. Go back 1000 or 2000 years and ask the contemporaries and likely they would be pretty sure that their world view was pretty much complete and in order. Perhaps it will always be that way.	0	0	0	0	0
Huh? Link or reference please.	0	0	0	0	0
What specifically are you wanting to see? Is it something that ID has scientifically provided evidence for?	0	0	0	0	0
Ooh - ooh! I can explain that! That is, the reason "ID deniers" (cute turn of phrase, that) have not yet explained how "something originated out of nothing" is that - we don't know! We don't even claim to know! Now you tell us. You believe that everything around us was created by a "god" - something omnipotent, all-seeing, and greatly concerned with the details of people's personal lives. What created this "god" out of nothing? To be "civil", as required by the new system: I should point out that the "first cause" question is inherently unanswerable. Have you stopped beating your wife/husband/partner?	0	0	0	0	0
It sounds like your perspective is that, until we have eliminated all "Homicides, Rapes, Assaults, Hit and Runs", etc. we should not enforce or worry about other crimes, such as Burglary, Vandalism, Graffiti, Shoplifting, Driving on the Wrong Side of The Road, etc. Correct?	0	0	0	0	0
For reasons I cannot explain, I have roughly equivalent insurance with lower premiums.	0	0	0	0	0
It's called budgeting; in this case your resources. Government is always beat up for not budgeting money. If you have finite resources you can't do everything. Spending valuable police and court time for no end result is wasteful. I don't believe this case justifies taking valuable resources away from serious person crimes just because of $3000 worth of trees. The DA already has too little funding to prosecute many serious crimes; wasting her office's time is also silly. Re-plant the trees and get over it.	0.166667	0	0	0.166667	0
How do you define a "state" that has no defined borders, has no constitution, and specifically prohibits equal rights between Jews and non-Jews? So much for the "only democracy in the Middle East."	0	0	0	0	0
JP Wilcox: From the very first I have presented the case for patience and putting life first. I am grateful for the powers that be for seeing this to that end. The life that was ended way before his time is one too many, but in a large way the decisions he made, were the reason, had he simply stayed on his ranch in Arizona, he would be alive today, I also place a large amount of blame on the Bundys, for without their persuasion, I believe he would not have left home and family.	0	0	0	0	0
How many of the educators and counselors in our local high schools have ever been in a machine shop or even read about one? I suspect most high school educators and counselors took the college track until they wound up where they are today and are unprepared to intelligently discuss what the benefits and downsides are of much employment other than the college track which they followed. This sounds like an excellent program; sort of like when the Eugene Technical and Vocational School existed in Eugene.	0	0	0	0	0
Well, since there is no "edit" option, what I meant was it is LTD's decimating the downtown trees that dwarfs the seedling incident.	0	0	0	0	0
Gary: I would love to hear someone explain the reason behind or the need to label every action, no matter whether of a political nature, by attempting to place either a conservative or liberal label to it. Could one just assume that this issue was a group of simply misguided American citizens, who made a error in judgment and leave it at that?	0	0	0	0	0
thanks to mr Arnold for helping figure this situation out enough to get it moving. seemed it was like trying to nail jello to a wall....	0	0	0	0	0
There are two more Bundy boys incarcerated, serving time somewhere else for assorted criminal behaviors. DNA, parenting, environment living in the wrong neighborhood? No, it maybe some people just feel entitled to do whatever the hell they want to do and the hell with everyone elses rights. Sovereign Citizen Hate Militias support their rights coming in to town heavily armed expressing the desire to die for their cause. Thanks FBI for removing Sovereign Citizen Militia extremist hate groups wherever they exist.	0.363636	0.181818	0	0.181818	0.090909
I'm calling B.S. First off, I've worked at some very nice restaurants in the area, and no one is pulling down six figures. Secondly, if you want to make waiter money instead of cook money - get a job as a waiter. Just because I feel like I work hard, doesn't mean that I think I should be paid as much as the G.M. A living wage for all willing to work hard - absolutely, but equal pay for every job is just a pipe dream.	0	0	0	0	0
Sovereign citizen, extremist 'white' hate militia groups have created their own constitutions, talk to god to rationalize their behavior to do whatever they want to do and say they will die for their cause even if it is convoluted and changes daily. Thanks FBI for getting these people and other criminals off the street.	0.3	0	0	0.1	0.3
18 months probation? Does he understand why what he did was wrong ?	0	0	0	0	0
Wonder if he'd consider contribute the $8,000 towards solutions for the homeless population?	0	0	0	0	0
Cal came out hotter than a firecracker but you're right that it did become hard to watch. If that debacle didn't bring the Ducks back to earth nothing will and now they need to keep , as they say, Cal from beating us twice.	0	0	0	0	0
Why do you think that the first cause question is unanswerable?	0	0	0	0	0
For the record "massage" and "sexual assault" are two very different things. You seem to have a habit of downplaying sexual assault and rape.	0	0	0	0	0
Your premiums are subsidized.	0	0	0	0	0
Interesting that Flore, Arnold and Graham come in to claim credit for the final surrender of the last of the occupiers "There's no way we could have accomplished what we did with Mike Arnold." she (Flore) said. Law Enforcement officials have been patiently working six weeks to resolve the armed occupation peacefully. They are the ones deserving credit for their patience during this ordeal.	0	0	0	0	0
Thank you Outsider, we're working on it!	0	0	0	0	0
40_20: It basically stands to reason that the press would be in greater abundance than the Muslim shooters did, if for no other reason than the length of time one issue lasted over another, perhaps you might feel so if you have a singular bias favoring one side of the equation over the other. I feel we will be seeing future news reports about both episodes for a long time to come.	0.2	0	0	0	0.2
I have had a question about Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity for some time which scientists all seem to run away from. Until 1887 the equations used for Relativity were the Galilean transformation equations. x'=x-vt y'=y z'=z t'=t After 1887, scientists threw away the Galilean transformation equations and substituted the Lorentz equations. Some time back I began to ask scientists why they had not used two sets of Galilean transformation equations instead of the Lorentz equations. x = x' - (v2)(t2)' y = y' z = z' (t2)= (t2)' t is the time of a clock in S, (t2)' a clock in S'.	0	0	0	0	0
Well that must be nice for you, my employer provided insurance got worse and became more expensive, as I stated above. I am not the only one, I work with plenty of people with families and everyone has been dissatisfied.	0	0	0	0	0
Firing shots into the air in the city = ignorance. Whats wrong with the ground if shots must be fired? My opinion, if your going to pull the trigger it better be for a good reason, prevent serious death/injury to self or others and produce positive results for the safety and welfare of all.	0	0	0	0	0
Unbottoned pants and jacket kept Arnold cool and relaxed. Glad the ordeal ended well.	0	0	0	0	0
Art Crime Team "The FBI established a rapid deployment Art Crime Team in 2004. The team is composed of 16 special agents, each responsible for addressing art and cultural property crime cases in an assigned geographic region. The Art Crime Team is coordinated through the FBI’s Art Theft Program, located at FBI Headquarters in Washington, D.C. Art Crime Team agents receive specialized training in art and cultural property investigations and assist in art related investigations worldwide in cooperation with foreign law enforcement officials and FBI legal attaché offices. The U.S. Department of Justice provides special trial attorneys to the Art Crime Team for prosecutive support. Since its inception, the Art Crime Team has recovered more than 2,650 items valued at over $150 million." I would say they are earning their keep	0	0	0	0	0
What will be interesting is to keep track of who files amicus curiae (Friend of the Court) briefs. That is done by people who think their interests will be damaged or enhanced by a particular court ruling. American Medical Assn? American Bar Assn? The possibilities are almost endless.	0	0	0	0	0
"They really can have it all, including the choice to not vote for a woman just because she’s a woman because, after all, this would be sexist. And no one would want that." Except for a few who have posted here at the R-G, of course. Misandry lurks in the hearts of some of them, based on their past posts over time.	0	0	0	0	0
SD: Far to many, on both sides, regard any differing opinion as a possible lie. Taking sides and carrying those ideas to extremes, is a sure sign of the fanatic. Trying to achieve a more moderate stance, sometimes means getting it from both the far right, and the far left, kind of fun though.	0	0	0	0	0
I'm wondering at the fact that it's taken you so many years to realize how little humans know about root causes, given your decades of training and practice in physics. Many people already had that figured out and without the benefit of years of training in a scientific discipline.	0.2	0	0	0.2	0
Yesssss!!!!	0	0	0	0	0
"His mission of peace - we want to carry that on to the next generation." Verily! Indeed, for it has been written : "The Spirit of John Lennon is on me because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free" Amen.	0	0	0	0	0
Which brings up a point: did city officials and realtors know about this provision and try to hide it?	0	0	0	0	0
Ricochet.	0	0	0	0	0
One definition of power is the ability to make a rule and then break that rule.	0	0	0	0	0
Because coming right off of a plane would probably be the only time he would be in public and unarmed. Nothing like a gunfight with the FBI to set off the conspiracy theorists.	0	0	0	0	0
Hopefully my little brother makes a full recovery.	0	0	0	0	0
Why does Eugene keep obsessing about one corner of one street? Find another empty lot, or tear down the useless bus depot and develop that instead.	0.166667	0	0	0.166667	0
I hope he does as well.	0	0	0	0	0
So a man shots his cousin while riding a hoverboard and the solution is to restrict hoverboards? Doesn't restricting guns make more sense?	0	0	0.166667	0	0
Thank you and God bless you	0	0	0	0	0
Thank God for the safety bar.	0	0	0	0	0
Obviously you have not heard the entire call where the FBI was antagonizing everyone with a bull horn and shouting? Maybe you miss the part where the FBI was caught by the first chief of Harney County pretending to be protestors and harassing the citizens of Burns. Maybe you missed the part where reporters recognized some of the "counter protestors" were also FBI increasing tensions at the refuge. At every turn the FBI proved to be antagonizing, harassing and amping up the situation. If you took the time to listen to account after account of how the FBI conducted themselves in a cringe worthy manner you may have to face the facts that the real terrorists are the FBI, BLM and other agencies who have outed to be the jack booted thugs they really are.	0.166667	0	0	0.166667	0
"I suspect that residents of Burns didn’t even notice the occupation except for the constant pounding of the media drum." You should give the people of Burns and the Paiutes more credit. To suggest that their vocal opposition to these intruders and their followers was only because there was media coverage does them a disservice.	0	0	0	0	0
Jcal Somehow I also missed all that you describe, "the FBI was antagonizing everyone", "pretending to be protestor"s, "harassing the citizens of Burns", "counter protestors were also FBI". Could you please supply links to where you found this information so we all can be as well informed as you?	0	0	0	0	0
Yeah, maybe its just because I am slow. But to me and I think many others science offers the illusion of understanding. There is the notion that the workings of life are understood or that evolution is understood. You see it in this comment stream that many believe "evolution" is a reasonably well understood topic. It has taken many years for me to really accept that current science cannot quantitatively model and thus demonstrate understanding of most aspects of life. We have no quantitative model which demonstrates the transition from isolated chemical reactions to a closed system of self-sustaining chemical reactions as exemplified by a single cell. Yet we believe that natural random forces successfully mediated such a transition. Any natural process that we cannot quantitatively model is understood only through faith.	0	0	0	0	0
Attorneys, politicians, and preachers, doing what they do best. Patting themselves and each other on the back.	0.5	0	0.1	0.3	0
I deleted my first comment because I thought what it would be like going into the chipper at my work. Quick, but not fun.	0	0	0	0	0
Just like Arnold and his firm "solicited" the Bundy Bunch to get involved in this matter (See articles by OPB and the Oregonian), it was clear on the live feed that Fiore was wanting to make herself part of the story. Despite the FBI trying to get the Final Four to surrender on Wednesday night, Fiore kept telling the Final Four to not surrender until the following morning after Arnold had enough time to drive her to the Refuge. At no time did I hear Arnold during the live feed recommend or tell the Final Four to just peacefully surrender. Fiore's "credit" to Arnold appears to be her "quid pro quo" for him picking her up at PDX and driving her to the Refuge rather than down to his office for another "press conference" as was apparently originally planned. At the press conference held by the FBI following the surrender of the Final Four, Arnold was not mentioned at all as an assisting party and all this seems centered on self promotion while the Hammonds are used for other's agendas.	0	0	0	0	0
She wanted them to wait so the FBI couldn't KILL THEM and claim they pointed a gun!	0	0	0.2	0	0
How ridiculous. It's a business selling its products to thousands of medicinal patients statewide. How do you expect to run a business without the product demanded? It's simple demand and supply. The officials are showing themselves to be petty and overreaching. They may be trying to teach a lesson, but the truth is, they have no place to do so. They won't be the ones teaching us a lesson, we the people will be teaching THEM a lesson by showing that none of us well be deterred from exercising our rights. The feds are obviously anti business here.	0	0	0	0	0
There is no Intelligent design theory.	0	0	0	0	0
Consider the statements, and admissions of top Intelligent Design Creationism "theorists." William Dembski In a 1999 article for the Christian magazine "Touchstone" titled “Signs of Intelligence,” William Dembski (the so-called math genius of ID) confirmed the foundation of ID in John 1 when he assured readers that "Indeed, intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John’s Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory." Phillip Johnson "Our strategy has been to change the subject a bit so that we can get the issue of intelligent design, which really means the reality of God, before the academic world and into the schools." American Family Radio (10 January 2003) Paul Nelson "Easily the biggest challenge facing the ID community is to develop a full-fledged theory of biological design. We don't have such a theory now, and that's a real problem." Touchstone Magazine, August 2004. There is no Intelligent Design Theory. It is pure creationist cant.	0	0	0	0	0
Just a note--even most conservatives and gun owners thought Bundy was a nutjob. Even his nutjob father thought he was a nutjob. That's nutjob squared.	0.6	0.2	0	0.6	0
The City Council is scheduled to discuss the proposals and the future of Kesey Square at a Feb. 22 work session._ <Full moon> I hope someone has a legal legal opinion by then, maybe the arkies can find another lot on which to build. Let's hope they keep Ken Kesey's quote: "The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer. They think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer.” Further bus was called the Liberty Bell in the forthcoming Further documentary. Kesey's zany magic bus trip digitized will remind us that Kesey is not dead, he is outside looking in. (The Moody Blues sang about another cultural icon who is also star gazing!)	0	0	0	0	0
Maybe we shouldn't have spent the money on these fancy laser detectors and just used some flashlights in toilet paper rolls instead, and then waited for this collision of supermassive black holes a million years from now: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/08/science/in-a-far-off-galaxy-2-black-holes-dance-toward-an-explosive-union.html?_r=2 The black holes involved in the current study were actually pretty small (61 suns combined) compared to the supermassive black holes at the centers of galaxies that may have masses up to billions of suns.	0	0	0	0	0
These people (Bundy, et familia.) are just latest iteration of crackpots who create their own reality. They, and their takeover cohorts purport to be constitutionalists but that's just a ruse. The truth of it is that they, like so many Americans, see that Washington is a big party to which ordinary Americans aren't invited. It's a feeding trough for the privileged. Washington is Wall Street's town. It's Big Oil's Town. It's Big Pharma's town. And Big Banking. And the Koch's and Adelson's, and Scaife's. Washington is open only to the rich and the powerful. What we saw at Malheur is the sympton, not the disease. Join the revolution! Feel the Bern...	0.166667	0	0	0.166667	0
A few hundred thousands people die on the road yearly. Ban the killer cars too. Start walking.	0.4	0	0.3	0.2	0
"Use of the public" is not the same as "public ownership." There are plenty of situations in real estate practice in which privately-owned property has easements or deed restrictions requiring public access. Public "plazas" at the ground floor of buildings in New York and other cities, required in return for additional development rights, represent one example; there are many others. It should be relatively easy to incorporate such a requirement into a deed transferring ownership from the city to a private party.	0	0	0	0	0
I AM SHOCKED THAT NEWS MEDIAS CAN GET AWAY WITH PRESENTING THE PUBLIC WITH SUCH TWISTED AND DISTORTED FACTS. THIS MILITIA WAS PEACEFUL. THE PEOPLE IN BURNS WERE MORE SCARED BY THE F.B.I. (THERE ARE MANY DOCUMENTED CASES OF INNOCENT LOCALS HAVING GUNS POINTED AT THEM AT ROAD BLOCKS) THE OCCUPIERS WERE PEACEFULLY DEFENDING ALL OF OUR RIGHTS, NEVER RAISING THEIR GUNS. WHEN WE ALL LOOSE OUR RIGHT TO THE CONSTITUTION I HOPE YOU ALL FEEL SHAMED.	0	0	0	0	0
You're right, depending on the ground the shots are fired into.	0	0	0	0	0
There should be some education at the bus in regard to Lennon standing up to the Christians with his message of peace. They persecuted and killed him because he fought for peace and truth while they have tortured and killed more innocent people than any war in recorded history. John tried to free us from the lies and bring the salvation of knowing we are each God visiting creation for a lifespan.	0.3	0	0.1	0.1	0.2
Translation: Sure, the Republican party has profited mightily from the exporting of jobs to China and Mexico, as profits rise and our investor class live like kings. And sure, the Bush family has been at the core of that change, seeing the suffering in the streets and blaming the American low income workers. But as long as there is a billionaire class to pay our election bills, and talented PR people to help trick blue collar workers into still voting for the people who are impoverishing them, there will be a Bush family to be the stage managed mouthpieces in this "loot America" process. There are still countries to invade to distract the American poor, and still war crimes to commit. It is a mistake to see Trump's supporters as nincompoops. They are the traditional Republicans who see how they have been deceived. I do wish he had a plan that would embrace all, as there is nothing in his billionaire life that would indicate he would stand for American jobs. Hugh Massengill, Eugene	0	0	0	0	0
I have a hard time understanding the negative comments here. From people who haven't even bothered to check it our for themselves, no less. Well, I have checked it out, and I love the place. Critiques like these are very likely the result of reacting to bias, as opposed to any sort of critical thought process. FTFO	0	0	0	0	0
charlie: If you simply cruise through many of the anti government, and or malita type sites, you could see ample evidence of nefarious doings, and goings on. Most of the government agencies, many NGO's and even the local Girl Scouts, were involved with making the occupiers look bad. I even read on one site, that the FBI was bringing in ex special forces "Kill Teams" just to eliminate the last holdouts, so any deaths couldn't be traced back to them. It's all out there, and it's all true. Trust the Bundys, they had it all figured out.	0.166667	0	0.166667	0	0
I see a possible denial of a CWP in Mr. Fung's future.	0	0	0	0	0
“I advocate free, peaceful assembly, and that is exactly what happened,” she said. “Nobody pointed a gun at anybody.” In this she is correct, however the implied intent was, from the start, very much evident, if someone has a firearm, and states that if you interfere with what they are doing, they will use it, it would be best to take them at their word. Intimidation by force of a lethal weapon, hardly sounds peaceful to me, but then again I'm a little behind in the "Militias" working handbook.	0	0	0	0	0
Are we sure the pot from most of the PDX dispensaries is that good? Even though it's allegedly tested, my experience with several Portland dispensaries is that much of the pot sold is just too damned weak. Too often the effects don't last that long, or you build up a tolerance right away. OR it takes several varieties to get the affects that what we USED to get in one variety: 1. Head high 2.Body high 3. Ability to step back mentally, act goofy and relax WITHOUT negative feelings/paranoia overwhelming you. I am amazed at how much pot from several different Portland locations is just plain MEDIOCRE. And overpriced considering the inconsistent quality. Then there is the problem with dispensaries that "premake" the orders. NO WAY! How do you know what U R actually getting? And I want to SEE THE WEIGHT OF MY ORDER on the scale as it is processed.	0	0	0	0	0
Like Charlie, I hadn't heard any such reports. Sounds to me like occupier sympathizer made up info, as much of what I hear from these self proclaimed patriot groups is. Reports I read say that the occupiers and related crew did a lot more antagonizing and harassing of locals and read no credible report of antagonizing from any other group. Quite likely that what you heard and reported was inaccurate propaganda designed to incite yet more hatred and fear.	0	0	0	0	0
Ok, I watched it, and can safely say he wasn't murdered. Every step he took, from leaving his home in Arizona, to taking up firearms and occupying a federal facility, to running from one, and making an attempt to run another traffic stop, lead to his death, his past declaration of not going to jail or prison, may have also had something to do with it.	0	0	0	0	0
So if the FBI wanted to "KILL THEM" as you suggest, then: 1) why didn't the FBI go in earlier and just claim one of them punted a gun at them? 2) why didn't the FBI use their "electronic warfare" capabilities that Pete Santilli kept yelling they had to "jam" the live feed connection and just "KILL THEM"? 3) why didn't the FBI use their "available technologies" to create a picture or video of one of them pointing at gun at them and just "KILL THEM"? 4) why didn't the FBI just shoot the member of the Final Four occupiers that they encountered on the ATV on Wednesday when he had driven away from the Refuge? Your comment fails to acknowledge all of the opportunities to "KILL THEM" if that was truly the intent. The reality is law enforcement, including the FBI, were extremely patient with these criminals and the only reason there was any loss of life was due to poor decisions by Finnicum and his stated intent to not be in a jail cell.	0	0	0	0	0
The promotion of the delusional and seditious Bundy agenda by both Michelle Fiore and Mike Arnold should label them as co-conspirators. The insane mash up of Guns, God, and Treason that was on full display in the phone call to the final four armed occupiers of the Refuge by Fiore, Kris Anne Hall (self appointed 'judge' of the 'constitutionalists') and Franklin Graham is the end result of the extremist views on 24 hour right wing media. The Bundys, their militia supporters of the Pacific Patriot Network, Oathkeepers, 3%ers etc., and legislators like Fiore and Shaw who advocate for domestic terrorists are an ongoing threat to domocracy and the rule of law.	0	0	0	0	0
The fact that no one pointed a gun at anyone speaks to the patience and professionalism of law enforcement. I would assume that the occupation will be used as a case study for training incident commanders on ways of dealing with 'difficult' and well-armed people.	0	0	0	0	0
OMG, Gasp Gasp, hyperventilate! Flammable liquids, tigers, and bears, oh my! Anyone with a motor vehicle or propane cookstove is a potential terrorist suspect until proven neutralized.	0.2	0.1	0	0.2	0
I am impressed. Reconciliation. Compassion for the troubled young man. Acknowledgement that friction arose among the citizens of his county because some did support at least some aspect of the occupiers' agenda. The media led us to believe that the occupiers had virtually no support. But bottom line, it sounds as if his message is to treat each citizen with respect regardless of differences. That is a wonderful message. Thank you sheriff Ward.	0	0	0	0	0
Yes - You are correct, Intelligent Design is not even theory as a theory would require some some visible evidence to even form a valid one. The Universe was created by the power of God not a whole lot of science there. Remember: Evolution and Creation (which could be the Big Bang or whatever term you want to use for it) needs to be held to the same standard. Outsider raised some good points below. Just a question - What relevance do these opinions of men you list above have to do with what what is truth and fiction ?	0	0	0	0	0
Yes, of course basic research is vital. From basic research has come most of our profound breakthroughs in understanding. It is not necessary to argue that gravity waves might be useful in themselves as it is incredibly unlikely that they will given the energy scale at which they exist. It is the knowledge and, as pointed out, the ability to detect them that has value. Comparison to the transistor is not valid in terms of application. By the way, the construction of two detectors was not just to validate detection as in duplicate. Gravity waves travel at the speed of light which is fast but not instantaneous. The signals observed at the two detectors are thus delayed copies of each other. The time delay signifies traveling gravity waves and even helps determine the direction from which they came.	0	0	0	0	0
Oregonians should see this purported tax on corporations as another attempt to implement a sales tax but without any purchase exemptions. First, this is not a tax on corporate profits but on sales. Except for border areas where consumers have a free choice to shop across state lines ALL the places you spend most of your money will be able to directly pass this added cost on to you, as most of their competitors are in the same boat. Not just Walmart but Winco, Walgreens, & Guaranty, and on down the line. As for gas for your car, maybe there is still a small one owner station with sales under $25 million but he for sure be buying from a distributor who will be adding it to his sales. Second, unlike an actual sales tax with provisions for resale - to prevent double taxation - the corporate sales tax could easily multiply. A grocery store often buys from local businesses, the local beverage distributors for instance. Their 2.5% increase would be added to Safeway's 2.5% increase.	0	0	0	0	0
There is an underlying assumption in this opinion piece and that is that a corporate tax will tap new monies. Monies that will not come from the ordinary citizens of Oregon. This unfortunately is incorrect. Corporations exist to make a profit. If they cannot make a profit they go out of business. Thus if we impose a higher corporate tax, the affected companies will immediately raise prices to maintain their profit margin or, if they cannot, they will go out of business or stop doing business in the state of Oregon. Thus the corporate tax is simply a sneaker tax to extract money from John and Jane Q. Public citizens of Oregon. Perhaps the corporate tax to help schools would be good. That's a matter of opinion, but those who support higher corporate taxes should clearly understand where the money will ultimately come from.	0	0	0	0	0
OK, instead of an outright sale, just give the developers a 99 year lease with a couple of optional renewal terms. The lease income goes to the city and so the property will be generating revenue for the use of the public while still remaining under city ownership.	0	0	0	0	0
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I suggest that you and many others may then be confused about what science is. Science is a methodology for questioning and trying to make sense of the world. It is an ongoing and never-ending attempt to understand how it all works together. There are many things that we don't understand, and many things that we do. Just because a model does not yet exist does not mean that it will never exist, and just because a complete and definitive model does not yet exist does not mean that the process of exploration is invalid. On the gaps, of which there are many, the jury is still out and the exploration continues. That is can be understood 'only' through faith is a position that you can take, but it is not one all of us share, and respectfully, you are welcome to have your belief and I will respect it if you are willing to respect that I don't share it.	0	0	0	0	0
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As it relates to ID, offering it up as 'theory' is totally disingenuous. It science, the word theory has a particular meaning that is being co-opted by others that have differing viewpoints and are trying to enter the conversation. From the standpoint of science, ID is not a theory at all. It is an attempt to use the language of science to disguise a belief system and talk about it in such a way that it is pretending to be science when it is not. In an attempt to draw parallels, ID proponents have created a framework where Science is a 'system of belief' and that lack of completeness of understanding makes the methodology invalid. It does not work. You cannot simultaneously claim that the methodology is not a valid one and then claim to be part of the methodology. If ID proponents want to be considered 'science', they need to play by the house rules of science. You can reject science, and I can respect that, but don't confuse people by claiming ID is science.	0	0	0	0	0
Jcal: Perhaps you should watch the video of the former fire chief's press conference. At no time does he claim the FBI agents were "pretending to be protesters. He speaks of them first claiming to be "out of town businessmen", then saying they were in the Armory to look at the "mounted buck". Please don't just accept the claims from the right-wing blogs. They are, often, your statement shows, simply untruths. The FBI and State Police showed six weeks of extreme patience dealing with this armed occupation. It amazes me that some individuals still attempt to present them as the "real terrorists" and the Bundy gang as "victims."	0	0	0	0	0
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"I read......." hardly represents a valid source. If, indeed, "you read", publish the quotation and provide the link. The right-wing propaganda mill is very busy on this topic. Please don't just accept what they publish. "It's all out there, and it's all true." It may be "out there", but it's far from true. I'd really enjoy checking the site which published the claim you reference. Could you provide it for me? thanks, Gary	0	0	0	0	0
It is reasonable that Arnold and Co. were motivated by profit from notoriety of whatever. That is okay. Our society runs on the profit motive. More importantly a Arnold apparently entered into the negotiations and added an element different from the confrontational approach of LE. Bringing folks looking for positive resolutions into a process is generally good. Consider some of the very negative comments here. Imagine a LE negotiator with a similar attitude. Positive resolution would be very difficult. LE likely took the hard line using the threat of massive criminal charges rather than offering any sort of olive branch. Only massive power enables the hard line. Does having that massive power justify the hard line?	0	0	0	0	0
It's almost amusing that you characterize Law Enforcement's approach to the Bundy militia's armed occupation as "confrontational." These folks worked extremely patiently for six week to achieve a peaceful surrender. Negotiations with armed occupiers seldom includes offering them a "King's X" for the crimes they have committed. You speak of the "hard line". Do you propose that seeking a peaceful surrender and having the armed occupiers face the legal consequences of their actions constitutes a "hard line."?	0	0	0	0	0
Just as a personal aside, when you suggest that I am confused as to what science is, let me share that I am a PhD physicist who has been elected as a fellow of several professional physics societies, have published hundreds of peer reviewed technical research papers, and have one of the highest patent counts in the state of Oregon. So you are saying that a scientist does not understand science. Okay, but I have fooled my peers. Regarding ID, it is a hypothesis which presumes that life forming processes did not proceed randomly (which is presumed in standard evolution models) and that instead processes are driven by an ordering force or factor which falls outside current scientific models. Some might see the ordering force as religious. Some might see it as simply another aspect of nature that is not currently understood. But there is more to the concept of inherent ordering factors than meets the eye.	0	0	0	0	0

Most people don't owe the government money. We pay our taxes when they're due and we're done. As for what the government could have done, well it's government owned land, so they can do just about anything. That's what it means to own land. For example if I live in an apartment my landlord can raise the rent, evict me for non payment of rent, prevent me from owning a dog, sell the building to another owner, or even evict me so they can remodel the property. If I resist their efforts they can even have me thrown in jail. This really isn't all that complicated.

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It was Don Kahle who not too long ago demonstrated his liberal tolerance by stating in this newspaper that George Bush was to blame for the Sandy Hook shootings.

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I agree with the Southern Poverty Law Center: taking a passive approach towards people violating the law is not a good strategy. I am not criticizing law enforcement for how they handled the Malheur occupation; I think they handled it properly. What I am referring to is the long time (two years) that Cliven Bundy was allowed to flout the law. That hands-off approach directly led to the events in Oregon. I hope the US Justice Department has learned a lesson from this.

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Now that I'm out of the game (not gonna compete with the retail biz.) I can focus on growing the absolute best Cannabis possible for me and my friends. I'm not complaining or bragging, but I would take the Pepsi Challenge with at least 75% of everything I've procured from any of the retails shops I've been to. I've always avoided pesticides, and have dumped more than a crop or two in lieu trying to save them by using pesticides and putting people at risk. I only wish the personal plant limit was more than four. Only getting to grow four plants doesn't really afford one the opportunity to play with genetics. If we could grow 12 or 16 mature plants, and maybe double that amount for immature plants, at least then you could dabble a little with some hybrids and phenotype selection. :(

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You would be surprised how closely intertwined spirituality and science can become when attempting to understand primal causes. There are many things that can be quantified, but then there are many things that cannot. It has taken decades of training and practice in physics for me to realize how little we really know in terms of root causes. But it is human to believe things are pretty much understood. Go back 1000 or 2000 years and ask the contemporaries and likely they would be pretty sure that their world view was pretty much complete and in order. Perhaps it will always be that way.

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Huh? Link or reference please.

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What specifically are you wanting to see? Is it something that ID has scientifically provided evidence for?

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Ooh - ooh! I can explain that! That is, the reason "ID deniers" (cute turn of phrase, that) have not yet explained how "something originated out of nothing" is that - we don't know! We don't even claim to know! Now you tell us. You believe that everything around us was created by a "god" - something omnipotent, all-seeing, and greatly concerned with the details of people's personal lives. What created this "god" out of nothing? To be "civil", as required by the new system: I should point out that the "first cause" question is inherently unanswerable. Have you stopped beating your wife/husband/partner?

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It sounds like your perspective is that, until we have eliminated all "Homicides, Rapes, Assaults, Hit and Runs", etc. we should not enforce or worry about other crimes, such as Burglary, Vandalism, Graffiti, Shoplifting, Driving on the Wrong Side of The Road, etc. Correct?

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For reasons I cannot explain, I have roughly equivalent insurance with lower premiums.

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It's called budgeting; in this case your resources. Government is always beat up for not budgeting money. If you have finite resources you can't do everything. Spending valuable police and court time for no end result is wasteful. I don't believe this case justifies taking valuable resources away from serious person crimes just because of $3000 worth of trees. The DA already has too little funding to prosecute many serious crimes; wasting her office's time is also silly. Re-plant the trees and get over it.

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How do you define a "state" that has no defined borders, has no constitution, and specifically prohibits equal rights between Jews and non-Jews? So much for the "only democracy in the Middle East."

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JP Wilcox: From the very first I have presented the case for patience and putting life first. I am grateful for the powers that be for seeing this to that end. The life that was ended way before his time is one too many, but in a large way the decisions he made, were the reason, had he simply stayed on his ranch in Arizona, he would be alive today, I also place a large amount of blame on the Bundys, for without their persuasion, I believe he would not have left home and family.

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How many of the educators and counselors in our local high schools have ever been in a machine shop or even read about one? I suspect most high school educators and counselors took the college track until they wound up where they are today and are unprepared to intelligently discuss what the benefits and downsides are of much employment other than the college track which they followed. This sounds like an excellent program; sort of like when the Eugene Technical and Vocational School existed in Eugene.

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Well, since there is no "edit" option, what I meant was it is LTD's decimating the downtown trees that dwarfs the seedling incident.

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Gary: I would love to hear someone explain the reason behind or the need to label every action, no matter whether of a political nature, by attempting to place either a conservative or liberal label to it. Could one just assume that this issue was a group of simply misguided American citizens, who made a error in judgment and leave it at that?

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thanks to mr Arnold for helping figure this situation out enough to get it moving. seemed it was like trying to nail jello to a wall....

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There are two more Bundy boys incarcerated, serving time somewhere else for assorted criminal behaviors. DNA, parenting, environment living in the wrong neighborhood? No, it maybe some people just feel entitled to do whatever the hell they want to do and the hell with everyone elses rights. Sovereign Citizen Hate Militias support their rights coming in to town heavily armed expressing the desire to die for their cause. Thanks FBI for removing Sovereign Citizen Militia extremist hate groups wherever they exist.

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I'm calling B.S. First off, I've worked at some very nice restaurants in the area, and no one is pulling down six figures. Secondly, if you want to make waiter money instead of cook money - get a job as a waiter. Just because I feel like I work hard, doesn't mean that I think I should be paid as much as the G.M. A living wage for all willing to work hard - absolutely, but equal pay for every job is just a pipe dream.

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Sovereign citizen, extremist 'white' hate militia groups have created their own constitutions, talk to god to rationalize their behavior to do whatever they want to do and say they will die for their cause even if it is convoluted and changes daily. Thanks FBI for getting these people and other criminals off the street.

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18 months probation? Does he understand why what he did was wrong ?

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Wonder if he'd consider contribute the $8,000 towards solutions for the homeless population?

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Cal came out hotter than a firecracker but you're right that it did become hard to watch. If that debacle didn't bring the Ducks back to earth nothing will and now they need to keep , as they say, Cal from beating us twice.

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Why do you think that the first cause question is unanswerable?

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For the record "massage" and "sexual assault" are two very different things. You seem to have a habit of downplaying sexual assault and rape.

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Your premiums are subsidized.

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Interesting that Flore, Arnold and Graham come in to claim credit for the final surrender of the last of the occupiers "There's no way we could have accomplished what we did with Mike Arnold." she (Flore) said. Law Enforcement officials have been patiently working six weeks to resolve the armed occupation peacefully. They are the ones deserving credit for their patience during this ordeal.

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Thank you Outsider, we're working on it!

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40_20: It basically stands to reason that the press would be in greater abundance than the Muslim shooters did, if for no other reason than the length of time one issue lasted over another, perhaps you might feel so if you have a singular bias favoring one side of the equation over the other. I feel we will be seeing future news reports about both episodes for a long time to come.

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I have had a question about Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity for some time which scientists all seem to run away from. Until 1887 the equations used for Relativity were the Galilean transformation equations. x'=x-vt y'=y z'=z t'=t After 1887, scientists threw away the Galilean transformation equations and substituted the Lorentz equations. Some time back I began to ask scientists why they had not used two sets of Galilean transformation equations instead of the Lorentz equations. x = x' - (v2)(t2)' y = y' z = z' (t2)= (t2)' t is the time of a clock in S, (t2)' a clock in S'.

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Well that must be nice for you, my employer provided insurance got worse and became more expensive, as I stated above. I am not the only one, I work with plenty of people with families and everyone has been dissatisfied.

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Firing shots into the air in the city = ignorance. Whats wrong with the ground if shots must be fired? My opinion, if your going to pull the trigger it better be for a good reason, prevent serious death/injury to self or others and produce positive results for the safety and welfare of all.

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Unbottoned pants and jacket kept Arnold cool and relaxed. Glad the ordeal ended well.

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Art Crime Team "The FBI established a rapid deployment Art Crime Team in 2004. The team is composed of 16 special agents, each responsible for addressing art and cultural property crime cases in an assigned geographic region. The Art Crime Team is coordinated through the FBI’s Art Theft Program, located at FBI Headquarters in Washington, D.C. Art Crime Team agents receive specialized training in art and cultural property investigations and assist in art related investigations worldwide in cooperation with foreign law enforcement officials and FBI legal attaché offices. The U.S. Department of Justice provides special trial attorneys to the Art Crime Team for prosecutive support. Since its inception, the Art Crime Team has recovered more than 2,650 items valued at over $150 million." I would say they are earning their keep

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What will be interesting is to keep track of who files amicus curiae (Friend of the Court) briefs. That is done by people who think their interests will be damaged or enhanced by a particular court ruling. American Medical Assn? American Bar Assn? The possibilities are almost endless.

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"They really can have it all, including the choice to not vote for a woman just because she’s a woman because, after all, this would be sexist. And no one would want that." Except for a few who have posted here at the R-G, of course. Misandry lurks in the hearts of some of them, based on their past posts over time.

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SD: Far to many, on both sides, regard any differing opinion as a possible lie. Taking sides and carrying those ideas to extremes, is a sure sign of the fanatic. Trying to achieve a more moderate stance, sometimes means getting it from both the far right, and the far left, kind of fun though.

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I'm wondering at the fact that it's taken you so many years to realize how little humans know about root causes, given your decades of training and practice in physics. Many people already had that figured out and without the benefit of years of training in a scientific discipline.

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"His mission of peace - we want to carry that on to the next generation." Verily! Indeed, for it has been written : "The Spirit of John Lennon is on me because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free" Amen.

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Which brings up a point: did city officials and realtors know about this provision and try to hide it?

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Ricochet.

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One definition of power is the ability to make a rule and then break that rule.

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Because coming right off of a plane would probably be the only time he would be in public and unarmed. Nothing like a gunfight with the FBI to set off the conspiracy theorists.

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Why does Eugene keep obsessing about one corner of one street? Find another empty lot, or tear down the useless bus depot and develop that instead.

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I hope he does as well.

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So a man shots his cousin while riding a hoverboard and the solution is to restrict hoverboards? Doesn't restricting guns make more sense?

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Obviously you have not heard the entire call where the FBI was antagonizing everyone with a bull horn and shouting? Maybe you miss the part where the FBI was caught by the first chief of Harney County pretending to be protestors and harassing the citizens of Burns. Maybe you missed the part where reporters recognized some of the "counter protestors" were also FBI increasing tensions at the refuge. At every turn the FBI proved to be antagonizing, harassing and amping up the situation. If you took the time to listen to account after account of how the FBI conducted themselves in a cringe worthy manner you may have to face the facts that the real terrorists are the FBI, BLM and other agencies who have outed to be the jack booted thugs they really are.

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"I suspect that residents of Burns didn’t even notice the occupation except for the constant pounding of the media drum." You should give the people of Burns and the Paiutes more credit. To suggest that their vocal opposition to these intruders and their followers was only because there was media coverage does them a disservice.

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Jcal Somehow I also missed all that you describe, "the FBI was antagonizing everyone", "pretending to be protestor"s, "harassing the citizens of Burns", "counter protestors were also FBI". Could you please supply links to where you found this information so we all can be as well informed as you?

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Yeah, maybe its just because I am slow. But to me and I think many others science offers the illusion of understanding. There is the notion that the workings of life are understood or that evolution is understood. You see it in this comment stream that many believe "evolution" is a reasonably well understood topic. It has taken many years for me to really accept that current science cannot quantitatively model and thus demonstrate understanding of most aspects of life. We have no quantitative model which demonstrates the transition from isolated chemical reactions to a closed system of self-sustaining chemical reactions as exemplified by a single cell. Yet we believe that natural random forces successfully mediated such a transition. Any natural process that we cannot quantitatively model is understood only through faith.

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Attorneys, politicians, and preachers, doing what they do best. Patting themselves and each other on the back.

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I deleted my first comment because I thought what it would be like going into the chipper at my work. Quick, but not fun.

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Just like Arnold and his firm "solicited" the Bundy Bunch to get involved in this matter (See articles by OPB and the Oregonian), it was clear on the live feed that Fiore was wanting to make herself part of the story. Despite the FBI trying to get the Final Four to surrender on Wednesday night, Fiore kept telling the Final Four to not surrender until the following morning after Arnold had enough time to drive her to the Refuge. At no time did I hear Arnold during the live feed recommend or tell the Final Four to just peacefully surrender. Fiore's "credit" to Arnold appears to be her "quid pro quo" for him picking her up at PDX and driving her to the Refuge rather than down to his office for another "press conference" as was apparently originally planned. At the press conference held by the FBI following the surrender of the Final Four, Arnold was not mentioned at all as an assisting party and all this seems centered on self promotion while the Hammonds are used for other's agendas.

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She wanted them to wait so the FBI couldn't KILL THEM and claim they pointed a gun!

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How ridiculous. It's a business selling its products to thousands of medicinal patients statewide. How do you expect to run a business without the product demanded? It's simple demand and supply. The officials are showing themselves to be petty and overreaching. They may be trying to teach a lesson, but the truth is, they have no place to do so. They won't be the ones teaching us a lesson, we the people will be teaching THEM a lesson by showing that none of us well be deterred from exercising our rights. The feds are obviously anti business here.

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There is no Intelligent design theory.

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Consider the statements, and admissions of top Intelligent Design Creationism "theorists." William Dembski In a 1999 article for the Christian magazine "Touchstone" titled “Signs of Intelligence,” William Dembski (the so-called math genius of ID) confirmed the foundation of ID in John 1 when he assured readers that "Indeed, intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John’s Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory." Phillip Johnson "Our strategy has been to change the subject a bit so that we can get the issue of intelligent design, which really means the reality of God, before the academic world and into the schools." American Family Radio (10 January 2003) Paul Nelson "Easily the biggest challenge facing the ID community is to develop a full-fledged theory of biological design. We don't have such a theory now, and that's a real problem." Touchstone Magazine, August 2004. There is no Intelligent Design Theory. It is pure creationist cant.

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The City Council is scheduled to discuss the proposals and the future of Kesey Square at a Feb. 22 work session._ <Full moon> I hope someone has a legal legal opinion by then, maybe the arkies can find another lot on which to build. Let's hope they keep Ken Kesey's quote: "The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer. They think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer.” Further bus was called the Liberty Bell in the forthcoming Further documentary. Kesey's zany magic bus trip digitized will remind us that Kesey is not dead, he is outside looking in. (The Moody Blues sang about another cultural icon who is also star gazing!)

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Maybe we shouldn't have spent the money on these fancy laser detectors and just used some flashlights in toilet paper rolls instead, and then waited for this collision of supermassive black holes a million years from now: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/08/science/in-a-far-off-galaxy-2-black-holes-dance-toward-an-explosive-union.html?_r=2 The black holes involved in the current study were actually pretty small (61 suns combined) compared to the supermassive black holes at the centers of galaxies that may have masses up to billions of suns.

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These people (Bundy, et familia.) are just latest iteration of crackpots who create their own reality. They, and their takeover cohorts purport to be constitutionalists but that's just a ruse. The truth of it is that they, like so many Americans, see that Washington is a big party to which ordinary Americans aren't invited. It's a feeding trough for the privileged. Washington is Wall Street's town. It's Big Oil's Town. It's Big Pharma's town. And Big Banking. And the Koch's and Adelson's, and Scaife's. Washington is open only to the rich and the powerful. What we saw at Malheur is the sympton, not the disease. Join the revolution! Feel the Bern...

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A few hundred thousands people die on the road yearly. Ban the killer cars too. Start walking.

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"Use of the public" is not the same as "public ownership." There are plenty of situations in real estate practice in which privately-owned property has easements or deed restrictions requiring public access. Public "plazas" at the ground floor of buildings in New York and other cities, required in return for additional development rights, represent one example; there are many others. It should be relatively easy to incorporate such a requirement into a deed transferring ownership from the city to a private party.

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I AM SHOCKED THAT NEWS MEDIAS CAN GET AWAY WITH PRESENTING THE PUBLIC WITH SUCH TWISTED AND DISTORTED FACTS. THIS MILITIA WAS PEACEFUL. THE PEOPLE IN BURNS WERE MORE SCARED BY THE F.B.I. (THERE ARE MANY DOCUMENTED CASES OF INNOCENT LOCALS HAVING GUNS POINTED AT THEM AT ROAD BLOCKS) THE OCCUPIERS WERE PEACEFULLY DEFENDING ALL OF OUR RIGHTS, NEVER RAISING THEIR GUNS. WHEN WE ALL LOOSE OUR RIGHT TO THE CONSTITUTION I HOPE YOU ALL FEEL SHAMED.

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There should be some education at the bus in regard to Lennon standing up to the Christians with his message of peace. They persecuted and killed him because he fought for peace and truth while they have tortured and killed more innocent people than any war in recorded history. John tried to free us from the lies and bring the salvation of knowing we are each God visiting creation for a lifespan.

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Translation: Sure, the Republican party has profited mightily from the exporting of jobs to China and Mexico, as profits rise and our investor class live like kings. And sure, the Bush family has been at the core of that change, seeing the suffering in the streets and blaming the American low income workers. But as long as there is a billionaire class to pay our election bills, and talented PR people to help trick blue collar workers into still voting for the people who are impoverishing them, there will be a Bush family to be the stage managed mouthpieces in this "loot America" process. There are still countries to invade to distract the American poor, and still war crimes to commit. It is a mistake to see Trump's supporters as nincompoops. They are the traditional Republicans who see how they have been deceived. I do wish he had a plan that would embrace all, as there is nothing in his billionaire life that would indicate he would stand for American jobs. Hugh Massengill, Eugene

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I have a hard time understanding the negative comments here. From people who haven't even bothered to check it our for themselves, no less. Well, I have checked it out, and I love the place. Critiques like these are very likely the result of reacting to bias, as opposed to any sort of critical thought process. FTFO

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charlie: If you simply cruise through many of the anti government, and or malita type sites, you could see ample evidence of nefarious doings, and goings on. Most of the government agencies, many NGO's and even the local Girl Scouts, were involved with making the occupiers look bad. I even read on one site, that the FBI was bringing in ex special forces "Kill Teams" just to eliminate the last holdouts, so any deaths couldn't be traced back to them. It's all out there, and it's all true. Trust the Bundys, they had it all figured out.

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“I advocate free, peaceful assembly, and that is exactly what happened,” she said. “Nobody pointed a gun at anybody.” In this she is correct, however the implied intent was, from the start, very much evident, if someone has a firearm, and states that if you interfere with what they are doing, they will use it, it would be best to take them at their word. Intimidation by force of a lethal weapon, hardly sounds peaceful to me, but then again I'm a little behind in the "Militias" working handbook.

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Are we sure the pot from most of the PDX dispensaries is that good? Even though it's allegedly tested, my experience with several Portland dispensaries is that much of the pot sold is just too damned weak. Too often the effects don't last that long, or you build up a tolerance right away. OR it takes several varieties to get the affects that what we USED to get in one variety: 1. Head high 2.Body high 3. Ability to step back mentally, act goofy and relax WITHOUT negative feelings/paranoia overwhelming you. I am amazed at how much pot from several different Portland locations is just plain MEDIOCRE. And overpriced considering the inconsistent quality. Then there is the problem with dispensaries that "premake" the orders. NO WAY! How do you know what U R actually getting? And I want to SEE THE WEIGHT OF MY ORDER on the scale as it is processed.

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Like Charlie, I hadn't heard any such reports. Sounds to me like occupier sympathizer made up info, as much of what I hear from these self proclaimed patriot groups is. Reports I read say that the occupiers and related crew did a lot more antagonizing and harassing of locals and read no credible report of antagonizing from any other group. Quite likely that what you heard and reported was inaccurate propaganda designed to incite yet more hatred and fear.

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Ok, I watched it, and can safely say he wasn't murdered. Every step he took, from leaving his home in Arizona, to taking up firearms and occupying a federal facility, to running from one, and making an attempt to run another traffic stop, lead to his death, his past declaration of not going to jail or prison, may have also had something to do with it.

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So if the FBI wanted to "KILL THEM" as you suggest, then: 1) why didn't the FBI go in earlier and just claim one of them punted a gun at them? 2) why didn't the FBI use their "electronic warfare" capabilities that Pete Santilli kept yelling they had to "jam" the live feed connection and just "KILL THEM"? 3) why didn't the FBI use their "available technologies" to create a picture or video of one of them pointing at gun at them and just "KILL THEM"? 4) why didn't the FBI just shoot the member of the Final Four occupiers that they encountered on the ATV on Wednesday when he had driven away from the Refuge? Your comment fails to acknowledge all of the opportunities to "KILL THEM" if that was truly the intent. The reality is law enforcement, including the FBI, were extremely patient with these criminals and the only reason there was any loss of life was due to poor decisions by Finnicum and his stated intent to not be in a jail cell.

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The promotion of the delusional and seditious Bundy agenda by both Michelle Fiore and Mike Arnold should label them as co-conspirators. The insane mash up of Guns, God, and Treason that was on full display in the phone call to the final four armed occupiers of the Refuge by Fiore, Kris Anne Hall (self appointed 'judge' of the 'constitutionalists') and Franklin Graham is the end result of the extremist views on 24 hour right wing media. The Bundys, their militia supporters of the Pacific Patriot Network, Oathkeepers, 3%ers etc., and legislators like Fiore and Shaw who advocate for domestic terrorists are an ongoing threat to domocracy and the rule of law.

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The fact that no one pointed a gun at anyone speaks to the patience and professionalism of law enforcement. I would assume that the occupation will be used as a case study for training incident commanders on ways of dealing with 'difficult' and well-armed people.

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OMG, Gasp Gasp, hyperventilate! Flammable liquids, tigers, and bears, oh my! Anyone with a motor vehicle or propane cookstove is a potential terrorist suspect until proven neutralized.

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I am impressed. Reconciliation. Compassion for the troubled young man. Acknowledgement that friction arose among the citizens of his county because some did support at least some aspect of the occupiers' agenda. The media led us to believe that the occupiers had virtually no support. But bottom line, it sounds as if his message is to treat each citizen with respect regardless of differences. That is a wonderful message. Thank you sheriff Ward.

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Yes - You are correct, Intelligent Design is not even theory as a theory would require some some visible evidence to even form a valid one. The Universe was created by the power of God not a whole lot of science there. Remember: Evolution and Creation (which could be the Big Bang or whatever term you want to use for it) needs to be held to the same standard. Outsider raised some good points below. Just a question - What relevance do these opinions of men you list above have to do with what what is truth and fiction ?

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Yes, of course basic research is vital. From basic research has come most of our profound breakthroughs in understanding. It is not necessary to argue that gravity waves might be useful in themselves as it is incredibly unlikely that they will given the energy scale at which they exist. It is the knowledge and, as pointed out, the ability to detect them that has value. Comparison to the transistor is not valid in terms of application. By the way, the construction of two detectors was not just to validate detection as in duplicate. Gravity waves travel at the speed of light which is fast but not instantaneous. The signals observed at the two detectors are thus delayed copies of each other. The time delay signifies traveling gravity waves and even helps determine the direction from which they came.

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Oregonians should see this purported tax on corporations as another attempt to implement a sales tax but without any purchase exemptions. First, this is not a tax on corporate profits but on sales. Except for border areas where consumers have a free choice to shop across state lines ALL the places you spend most of your money will be able to directly pass this added cost on to you, as most of their competitors are in the same boat. Not just Walmart but Winco, Walgreens, & Guaranty, and on down the line. As for gas for your car, maybe there is still a small one owner station with sales under $25 million but he for sure be buying from a distributor who will be adding it to his sales. Second, unlike an actual sales tax with provisions for resale - to prevent double taxation - the corporate sales tax could easily multiply. A grocery store often buys from local businesses, the local beverage distributors for instance. Their 2.5% increase would be added to Safeway's 2.5% increase.

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There is an underlying assumption in this opinion piece and that is that a corporate tax will tap new monies. Monies that will not come from the ordinary citizens of Oregon. This unfortunately is incorrect. Corporations exist to make a profit. If they cannot make a profit they go out of business. Thus if we impose a higher corporate tax, the affected companies will immediately raise prices to maintain their profit margin or, if they cannot, they will go out of business or stop doing business in the state of Oregon. Thus the corporate tax is simply a sneaker tax to extract money from John and Jane Q. Public citizens of Oregon. Perhaps the corporate tax to help schools would be good. That's a matter of opinion, but those who support higher corporate taxes should clearly understand where the money will ultimately come from.

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OK, instead of an outright sale, just give the developers a 99 year lease with a couple of optional renewal terms. The lease income goes to the city and so the property will be generating revenue for the use of the public while still remaining under city ownership.

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It also shows he is on the side of the People. He is not cold and devoid of empathy like many of the Imperial government's cult followers questing for absolute centralized state power. It's been wild seeing so many liberals go so facist so fast.

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He was just following Joe Biden's advice.

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I still think if they had called themselves "Occupy Malheur" they would still be there and the FBI would have never shown up!

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I suggest that you and many others may then be confused about what science is. Science is a methodology for questioning and trying to make sense of the world. It is an ongoing and never-ending attempt to understand how it all works together. There are many things that we don't understand, and many things that we do. Just because a model does not yet exist does not mean that it will never exist, and just because a complete and definitive model does not yet exist does not mean that the process of exploration is invalid. On the gaps, of which there are many, the jury is still out and the exploration continues. That is can be understood 'only' through faith is a position that you can take, but it is not one all of us share, and respectfully, you are welcome to have your belief and I will respect it if you are willing to respect that I don't share it.

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Because it's recursive. Anything that answers the question begs the same question.

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As it relates to ID, offering it up as 'theory' is totally disingenuous. It science, the word theory has a particular meaning that is being co-opted by others that have differing viewpoints and are trying to enter the conversation. From the standpoint of science, ID is not a theory at all. It is an attempt to use the language of science to disguise a belief system and talk about it in such a way that it is pretending to be science when it is not. In an attempt to draw parallels, ID proponents have created a framework where Science is a 'system of belief' and that lack of completeness of understanding makes the methodology invalid. It does not work. You cannot simultaneously claim that the methodology is not a valid one and then claim to be part of the methodology. If ID proponents want to be considered 'science', they need to play by the house rules of science. You can reject science, and I can respect that, but don't confuse people by claiming ID is science.

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Jcal: Perhaps you should watch the video of the former fire chief's press conference. At no time does he claim the FBI agents were "pretending to be protesters. He speaks of them first claiming to be "out of town businessmen", then saying they were in the Armory to look at the "mounted buck". Please don't just accept the claims from the right-wing blogs. They are, often, your statement shows, simply untruths. The FBI and State Police showed six weeks of extreme patience dealing with this armed occupation. It amazes me that some individuals still attempt to present them as the "real terrorists" and the Bundy gang as "victims."

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The question assumes that something originated out of nothing. Is this a fact that we know for sure that something came out of nothing? So now the 'proof' to refute the claims of ID rests on science to prove that which has not be established as fact?

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"I read......." hardly represents a valid source. If, indeed, "you read", publish the quotation and provide the link. The right-wing propaganda mill is very busy on this topic. Please don't just accept what they publish. "It's all out there, and it's all true." It may be "out there", but it's far from true. I'd really enjoy checking the site which published the claim you reference. Could you provide it for me? thanks, Gary

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It is reasonable that Arnold and Co. were motivated by profit from notoriety of whatever. That is okay. Our society runs on the profit motive. More importantly a Arnold apparently entered into the negotiations and added an element different from the confrontational approach of LE. Bringing folks looking for positive resolutions into a process is generally good. Consider some of the very negative comments here. Imagine a LE negotiator with a similar attitude. Positive resolution would be very difficult. LE likely took the hard line using the threat of massive criminal charges rather than offering any sort of olive branch. Only massive power enables the hard line. Does having that massive power justify the hard line?

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It's almost amusing that you characterize Law Enforcement's approach to the Bundy militia's armed occupation as "confrontational." These folks worked extremely patiently for six week to achieve a peaceful surrender. Negotiations with armed occupiers seldom includes offering them a "King's X" for the crimes they have committed. You speak of the "hard line". Do you propose that seeking a peaceful surrender and having the armed occupiers face the legal consequences of their actions constitutes a "hard line."?

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Just as a personal aside, when you suggest that I am confused as to what science is, let me share that I am a PhD physicist who has been elected as a fellow of several professional physics societies, have published hundreds of peer reviewed technical research papers, and have one of the highest patent counts in the state of Oregon. So you are saying that a scientist does not understand science. Okay, but I have fooled my peers. Regarding ID, it is a hypothesis which presumes that life forming processes did not proceed randomly (which is presumed in standard evolution models) and that instead processes are driven by an ordering force or factor which falls outside current scientific models. Some might see the ordering force as religious. Some might see it as simply another aspect of nature that is not currently understood. But there is more to the concept of inherent ordering factors than meets the eye.

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