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re h e l p m e desperate with some vd in article apr debbie cc nctu edu tw mjliu csie nctu edu tw ming zhou liu writes i have bad luck and got a vd called granuloma ingunale which involves the growth of granules in the groin i found out about it by checking medicine books and i found the prescriptions ming zhou liu s main problem is that he has an incompetent physician himself this physician has diagnosed a problem even though he probably has never seen the diagnosed disease before and has no idea of what kinds of problems can present similar symptoms this physician now wants to treat his first case of this disease without any help from the medical community the best thing ming zhou liu could do is fire his current physician and seek out a better one russell
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barbecued foods and health risk some recent postings remind me that i had read about risks associated with the barbecuing of foods namely that carcinogens are generated is this a valid concern if so is it a function of the smoke or the elevated temperatures is it a function of the cooking elements wood or charcoal vs lava rocks i wish to know more thanks
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re post polio syndrome information needed please reply to keith actrix gen nz keith stewart my wife has become interested through an acquaintance in post polio syndrome this apparently is not recognised in new zealand and different symptons eg chest complaints are treated separately does anone have any information on it it would help if you and anyone else asking for medical information on some subject could ask specific questions as no one is likely to type in a textbook chapter covering all aspects of the subject if you are looking for a comprehensive review ask your local hospital librarian most are happy to help with a request of this sort briefly this is a condition in which patients who have significant residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the weakness as they get older one theory is that the remaining motor neurons have to work harder and so die sooner david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell
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re how about a crash program in basic immunological research in article c gk wuvmd wustl edu c gk wuvmd gary kronk writes i have been contemplating this idea for some time as well i am not a doctor but my wife is a nurse and i know a lot of doctors and nurses the point here being that doctors and nurses do not seem to get sick nearly as much as people outside the medical profession this is a lovely area for anecdotes but i am sure you are on to something as a physician i almost never get sick usually when something horrendous is going around i either don t get it at all or get a very mild case when i do get really sick it is always something unusual this was not the situation when i was in medical school particularly on pediatrics i never had younger siblings myself and when i went on the pediatric wards i suddenly found myself confronting all sorts of infectious challenges that my body was not ready for pediatrics for me was three solid months of illness and i had a temp of when i took the final exam i think what happens is that during training and beyond we are constantly exposed to new things and we have the usual reactions to them so that later on when challenged with something it is more likely a re exposure for us so we deal with it well and get a mild illness i don t think it is that the immune system is hyped up in any way also don t forget that the hospital flora is very different from the home and we carry a lot of that around km
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re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article apr cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes in article c kv p jm unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com gary merrill writes in article apr cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes what is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the impression and you may not in fact hold this view that the common perhaps even the correct approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and petty hatreds flights of fancy and other irrational approaches are common the crucial thing is not to sit around just having fantasies they aren t of any use unless they make you do some experiments i ve known a lot of scientists whose fantasies lead them on to creative work usually they won t admit out loud what the fantasy was prior to the consumption of a few beers the danger in philosophizing about science is that theory and generalization can end up being far removed from the actual day to day of the grunt at the bench yes its great to be involved in a process were i can walk into the lab after a heavy night of dreaming and just do something for the hell of it as long as my advisor doesn t catch me which is easy enough to do but stamping out such behavior seems to be the purpose in life of grant review committees and the peer review process in general in today s world that s what determines what science is what gets funded and a damn good thing to flights of fantasy just don t have much chance of producing anything at least not in biomedical research the surest way for a graduate student to ruin their life is to work in a lab where the boss is more concerned with fleshing out his her fantasies than with having the student work on a project that actually has a good chance of producing some results md s seem to be particularly prone to this aberrant behavior simple example warren jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a dna electrophoresis gel of human alu fragments he got very excited hoping that he d seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic genes this fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out binding assays the result was a well conserved or so bp sequence that occurs about times in the human genome unfortunately for warren s fantasy it turns out to be a transposon that is present in so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into the genome on the other hand the characteristics of transposons were much elucidated the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was recognized and the standard method of recognizing human dna was created other species have different sets of transposons fortunately for me warren and i used to eat dinner at t g i fridays all the time i have to agree with gary merrill s response to this i ve read alot of the alu and middle repetitive sequence work and it s really very interesting good work with implications for many fields in molecular genetics it s really an example of how a well reasoned project turned up interesting results that were unexpected mike
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re lyme vaccine kathleen richards kilty ucrengr wrote my nearly year old pomeranian had a nasty reaction to this vaccination suffice it to say we will not vaccinate her for lyme disease again she s been camping through some states and has backpacked with us as well and we are used to watching for ticks and dealing with them and we simply won t take her to really active lyme disease areas not to drag this out anymore but many veterinarians feel that lyme disease in dogs is so easy to treat that in an endemic area they often just give the appropriate antibiotics to dogs presenting with lameness swollen joints fever a recent paper march has finally established that lyme disease in dogs can be reproduced in a controlled experimentaly setting this has been an ellusive matter for researchers and is one of the fundamental requirements for many to acknowledge an agent as being causitive of a particular disease up to now only the vaccine manufacturer has been able to prove that the disease exists this paper is noteworthy in two other regards none of the animals they infected were treated in any way the dogs had episodes of lameness during a week period which occurred months after exposure after this period none showed any further clinical signs up to the month observation period of the study so these are proven clinically sick lyme patients showing spontaneous recovery without the benefit of drug treatment of course observations longer than months will be necessary to be sure the disease doesn t have the same chronicity that some see in humans the addendum to the paper calls into question the techniques used by the vaccine manufacturer to validate the vaccine of course they want the world to use the model they developed in order to test vaccine efficacy anyway maybe we will see some independent scientifically sound evaluations of this vaccine in the next year or so jeff parke jeffp pgavin vetmed wsu edu also jeffp wsuvm bitnet aol jeffparke washington state university college of veterinary medicine class of pullman wa
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re my new diet it works great in article pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes keith is the only person i have ever heard of that keeps the weight off without any conscious effort to control eating behavior most of us have to diet a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity i attribute my success to several factors very low fat except when someone else has cooked a meal for me i only eat fruit vegetables and whole grain or bran cereals i estimate i only get about to percent of my calories from fat very little sugar or salt very high fiber most americans get about grams to are recommended i get between and sometimes i ve heard of people taking fiber pills it seems unlikely that pills can contain enough fiber to make a difference it would be about as likely as someone getting fat by popping fat pills tablets are just too small unless you snarf down hundreds of them daily my clean your plate conditioning works for me eating the last takes half my eating time and gives satiety a chance to catch up so i don t still feel hungry and go start eating something else i don t eat when i m not hungry unless i m sure i ll get hungry shortly and eating won t be practical then i bike to work miles a day year round fast i also bike to stores movies and everywhere else as i ve never owned a car i estimate this burns about calories a day it also helps build and maintain muscle mass prevent insulin resistance diabetes runs in my family and increase my metabolism even so my metabolism is so low that when i m at rest i m most comfortable with a temperature in the s f and usually wear a sweater if it drops to cycling also motivates me to avoid every excess ounce cyclists routinely pay a premium for cycling products that weigh slightly less than others but it s easier and cheaper to trim weight from the rider than from the vehicle there s no question in my mind that my metabolism is radically different from that of most people who have never been fat fortunately it isn t different in a way that precludes excellent health obviously i can t swear that every obese person who does what i ve done will have the success i did but i ve never yet heard of one who did try it and didn t succeed i think all of us cycle one s success depends on how large the fluctuations in the cycle are some people can cycle only pounds i m sure everyone s weight cycles whether or not they ve ever been fat i usually eat extremely little salt when i do eat something salty my weight can increase overnight by as much as ten pounds it comes off again over a week or two keith lynch kfl access digex com f p s q x f f q f f p q s q p f w q p x
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re emphysema question thanks to all who replied to my initial question i ve been away in new jersey all week and was surprised to see all the responses when i got back to the person asking about nicotine patches there are four on the market habitrol ciba pharmaceuticals nicoderm marion merill dow alza made nicotrol warner lambert cygnus made prostep made by elan and marketed by
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re food related seizures i remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring from the diet the theory which was backed up by interesting anecdotal results is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these chemicals than other people i don t remember any connection being made with seizures but it certainly couldn t hurt to try an all natural diet
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re what are the problems with nutrasweet aspartame phenylketonuria is a disease in which the body cannot process phenylalanine it can build up in the blood and cause seizures and neurological damage an odd side effect is that the urine can be deeply colored like red wine people with the condition must avoid nutrasweet chocolate and anything else rich in phenylalanine aspartame is accused of having caused various vague neurological symptoms pat robertson s program the club was beating the drum against aspartame rather vigorously for about a year but that issue seems to have been pushed to the back burner for the last year or so apparently the evidence is not very strong or pat would still be flailing away
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re is msg sensitivity superstition in article qnns l agate berkeley edu spp zabriskie berkeley edu steve pope writes the mass of anectdotal evidence combined with the lack of a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving the hypothesis makes the msg reaction hypothesis the most likely explanation for events you forgot the smiley face i can t believe this is what they turn out at berkeley tell me you re an aberration steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m c spdcc dyer
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re blood glucose test strips in article apr omen uucp caf omen uucp chuck forsberg wa kgx writes in article apr clpd kodak com young serum kodak com writes human glucose mg dl fasting are these numbers for whole blood or plasma serum actually but plasma numbers are the same whole blood numbers for humans tend to be somewhat lower roughly to percent lower i find the following range for whole blood in fundamentals of clinical chemistry n w teitz editor w b saunders human glucose whole blood fasting levels mg dl which are the strips calibrated for obviously they measure whole blood indeed they do measure whole blood levels although they are not as accurate as a serum test done in a laboratory one problem is that cells in the sample continue to metabolize glucose after the sample is drawn reducing the apparent level according to teitz however results compare reasonably well with laboratory results although values below mg dl tend to be lower with strip tests whereas values above mg dl can be very erratic what is the conversion factor between human plasma glucose and whole blood pin prick glucose concentration as stated above whole blood levels tend to be roughly to percent lower than serum levels sample freshness will affect whole blood levels however i don t believe there is a well defined conversion factor since cell metabolism will affect samples to varying degrees the serum plasma test is much preferred for any except general ball park testing rich young these are not kodak s opinions
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re is msg sensitivity superstition in article apr spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article apr cunews carleton ca wcsbeau alfred carleton ca opirg writes maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses you mean the responses some of which pointed to double blind tests which show no such chinese restaurant effect unique to msg it s elicited by the placebo as well many people responded with more anecdotal stories i think its safe to say the original poster is already familiar with such stories presumably he wants hard info to substantiate or refute claims about msg making people ill similarly debunking such claims without doing research whether literature and lab is equally beside the point the original poster no doubt already knows that some people think chinese restaurant syndrome is bogus placebos are all very interesting but irrelevant to the question of what effects msg has you could have real effects and placebo effects people may have allergies in addition yet again the use of this newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters they have substantial knowledge of like youself someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to do with the use of this substance in human nutrition have you read olney s work i fail to see how citing results from peer reviewed studies qualifies as bizarrely cracked for cites on msg look up almost anything by john w olney a toxicologist who has studied the effects of msg on the brain and on development it is undisputed in the literature that msg is an excitotoxic food additive no it s undisputed in the literature that glutamate is an amino acid which is an excitatory neurotransmitter there is also evidence that excessive release of glutamate may be involved in the pathology of certain conditions like stroke drowning and lou gehrig s disease just to name a few this is a completely different issue than the use of this ubiquitous amino acid in foods people are not receiving intra ventricular injections of glutamate tests have been done on rhesus monkeys as well i have never seen a study where the mode of administration was intra ventricular the glu and asp were administered orally some studies used iv and sc intra ventricular is not a normal admin method for food tox studies for obvious reasons you must not have read the peer reviewed works that i referred to or you would never have come up with this brain injection bunk too much in the diet and the system gets thrown off sez you such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any controlled studies infant mice and other models are useful as far as they go but they re not relevant to the matter at hand which is not to say that i favor its use in things like baby food a patently ridiculous use of the additive but we have no reason to believe that msg in the diet effects humans adversely pardon me but where are you getting this from have you read the journals have you done a thorough literature search but you re right mice aren t the best to study this on they re four times less sensitive than humans to msg glutamate and aspartate also an excitotoxin are necessary in small amounts and are freely available in many foods but the amounts added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be encountered in a ny single food wrong do you know how much aspartate or phenylalanine is in a soft drink milligrams worth compare that to a glass of milk do you know how much glutamate is present in most protein containing foods compared to that added by the use of msg the point is exceeding the window of course they re amino acids note that people with pku cannot tolerate any phenylalanine olney s research compared infant human diets specifically the amount of freely available glu in mother s milk versus commercial baby foods vs typical lunch items from the standard american diet such as packaged soup mixes he found that one could exceed the projected safety margin for infant humans by at least four fold in a single meal of processed foods mother s milk was well below the effective dose read olney s review paper in prog brain res and check his sources they are impecable there is no dispute impeccable there most certainly is a dispute between who over what i would be most interested in seeing you provide peer reviewed non food industry funded citations to articles disputing that msg has no effects whatsoever steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m c spdcc dyer hmm com why am i not surprised dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca
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re what are the problems with nutrasweet aspartame nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than sugar some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces when it degrades nutrasweet it is thought to form formaldehyde and known to for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate substances the real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde produced are high enough to cause significant damage as both are toxic to living cells all i can say is that i will not consume it phenylalanine is nothing for you to worry about it is an amino acid and everyone uses small quantities of it for protein synthesis in the body some people have a disease known as phenylketoneurea and they are missing the enzyme necessary to degrade this compound and eliminate it from the body for them it will accumulate in the body and in high levels this is toxic to growing nerve cells therefore it is only a major problem in young children until around age or so or women who are pregnant and have this disorder it used to be a leading cause of brain damage in infants but now it can be easily detected at birth and then one must simply avoid comsumption of phenylalanine as a child or when pregnant heather
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re food related seizures in article cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes i remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring from the diet the theory which was backed up by interesting anecdotal results is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these chemicals than other people i don t remember any connection being made with seizures but it certainly couldn t hurt to try an all natural diet yeah the feingold diet is a load of crap children diagnosed with add who are placed on this diet show no improvement in their intellectual and social skills which in fact continue to decline of course the parents who are enthusiastic about this approach lap it up at the expense of their children s development so much for the value of interesting anecdotal results people will believe anything if they want to steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m c spdcc dyer
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re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article c l ws jn unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com gary merrill writes in article apr cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes flights of fancy and other irrational approaches are common the crucial thing is not to sit around just having fantasies they aren t of any use unless they make you do some experiments simple example warren jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a dna electrophoresis gel of human alu fragments he got very excited but why do you characterize this as a flight of fancy or a fantasy while i am unfamiliar with the scientific context here it appears obvious that his speculation for lack of a better or more neutral word was at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance of current theory coupled with his observations it would appear that something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation into that theory or to tailor the theory to cover the observation whether a scientific idea comes while one is staring out the window or dreaming or having a fantasy or watching an apple fall newton or sitting in a bath archimedes it is ultimately the result of a lot of intense scientific thinking done beforehand letting one s mind roam freely and giving rein to one s intuition can be a useful way of coming up with new ideas but only when one has done a lot of rational analysis of the problem first scientific intuition is not something one is born with it is something that one learns maybe we don t understand completely how it is learned but training in systematic scientific thinking is certainly one of the key elements in developing it informal exploration is also often an important element in finding new scientific ideas one thinks for instance of darwin s naturalistic studies in the galapagos islands which led him to the ideas for the theory of evolution this is why i am offended by a definition of science that emphasizes empirical verification and does not recognize thinking and informal exploration as important scientific work i agree that mere speculation does not deserve to be called science i also think that mere empirical studies not directed by good scientific thinking are at best a very poor kind of science in article qk linnl im u cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes i think that lee lady and i are talking at cross purposes lady seems concerned with the contrast between great science that makes big advances in our knowledge and mediocre science that makes smaller steps in most of this thread i have been concerned with the difference between what is science and what is not i don t think that science should be defined in a way that some of the activities that lead to really important science namely thinking and informal exploration are not recognized as scientific work in the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet
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bursitis and laser treatment my family doctor and the physiotherapist pt she sent me to agree that the pain in my left shoulder is bursitis i have an appointment with an orthpod i love that it s short for orthopedic surgeon apparently but while i m waiting the pt is treating me she s using hot packs ultrasound and lasers but there s no improvement yet in fact i almost suspect it s getting worse my real question is about the laser treatment i can t easily imagine what the physical effect that could have on a deep tissue problem can anyone shed some light so to speak on the matter robert allison ottawa ontario canada
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re is msg sensitivity superstition dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article qnns l agate berkeley edu spp zabriskie berkeley edu steve pope writes the mass of anectdotal evidence combined with the lack of a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving the hypothesis makes the msg reaction hypothesis the most likely explanation for events you forgot the smiley face i can t believe this is what they turn out at berkeley tell me you re an aberration steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m c spdcc dyer hey keep your fu ng flaming out of this group that goes for you mr dyer as well as several other nasty sarcastic people regarding this subject shoot now i m all riled up too and i was just going to ask if we can keep our discussion about msg a little more civil blasting a school or an idea through simple insults as demonstrated above is not necessary and otherwise out of line if you want to continue your insult war take it elsewhere and stop wasting everyone else s time most sincerely dan checkman
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frequent nosebleeds i have between and nosebleeds each week as a result of a genetic predisposition to weak capillary walls osler weber rendu fortunately each nosebleed is of short duration does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency my younger brothers each tried a skin transplant thigh to nose lining but their nosebleeds soon returned i ve seen a reference to an herb called rutin that is supposed to help and i d like to hear of experiences with it or other techniques robert allison ottawa ontario canada
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re update help was what is this is it lyme s in article pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article apr lamont ldgo columbia edu brenner ldgo columbia edu carl brenner writes see the ulterior motive here it is easy for me to see it the those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything there is a lot of money involved you keep bringing this up but i don t understand what s in it financially for the physician to go ahead and treat unless the physician has an investment in or is involved in some kickback scheme with the home infusion company where is the financial gain for the doctor well let me put it this way based on my own experience a general practitioner with no training in infectious diseases by establishing links to the lyme community treating patients who come to him wondering about lyme or having decided they have lyme as if they did saying that diseases such as ms are probably spirochetal if not lyme giving talks at meetings of users groups validating the feelings of even delusional patients etc this gp can go from being a run of the mill k yr gp to someone with lots of patients in the hospital and getting expensive infusions that need monitoring in his office and making lots of bread also getting the adulation of many who believe his is their only hope if not of cure then of control and seeing his name in publications put out by support groups etc this is a definite temptation harumph getting published in these newsletters is hardly something to aspire to i can t really argue with your logic though i think you may be extrapolating a bit recklessly from what appears to be a sample size of one even if what you say about this local pittsburgh guy is true it is not logical or fair to conclude that this is true of all doctors who treat lyme disease by your logic i could conclude that all of the physicians who consult for insurance companies and make money by denying benefits to lyme patients are doing it for the money rather than because they believe they are encouraging good medicine i have no idea how sincere these guys are but their motives are as suspect as the physicians you excoriate for what you believe to be indiscriminate treatment i would really feel more comfortable discussing the medical issues in lyme rather than speculating as to the motives of the various parties involved gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon carl brenner
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transplant recipients newsletter april d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d dinternational newsletter april this will be the first of monthly postings of the newsletter of the long island chapter of the transplant recipients international organization trio unfortunately i was unable to post it before the date of this month s meeting i m posting it anyway and posting it world wide instead of regional in the hopes that some of the information may be useful or illustrative also i hope it can be used as an example and inspiration for the posting of other newsletters and data related to organ transplantation and donation mike transplant recipients international organization long island chapter p o box huntington ny newsletter april volume iv no next meeting the next meeting is wednesday april at pm at the knights of columbus emerald manor uniondale avenue in uniondale our guest speaker will be dr lewis teperman dr teperman trained in pittsburgh under dr starzl and is now the assistant director of the liver transplant program at new york university medical center dr teperman will discuss current trends in transplantation and treatment and will answer questions he is a long time friend of trio surgeon to many of our members and always a gracious and delightful guest it is sure to be a very informative interesting and engaging evening our hospitality committee bette and vito suglia and jim spence will be well prepared and at last the weather should be cooperative we hope to see a very large gathering to welcome dr teperman wednesday april k of c uniondale last meeting it has been noted here before that the long island chapter of trio has extraordinary power in predicting bad weather being able to forecast rain sleet and snow fully a month in advance no tv weatherman can match us this time we not only scored again but we were also able to disable the long island railroad making travel really difficult none the less many braved the snow and we had an interesting meeting and good conversation our scheduled speaker mrs elizabeth linnehan a professional nutritionist had a family emergency and was not able to attend she hope she will be with us in the fall to discuss diet and medications however ms jennifer friedman an image consultant and sister of a liver transplant recipient was kind enough to step in on very short notice ms friedman gave us a lot of good advice about choosing clothes and makeup even a bit for men to help us look well and healthy and to minimize some of the cosmetic effects of some of the medicine and drugs we take we are most grateful to jennifer and thank her for an entertaining evening annual meeting in addition to welcoming dr teperman the april meeting is also the annual meeting of the chapter this is the official notice of the meeting as required by our by laws the main purpose of the meeting is to review the past year solicit member views and ideas for better ways to meet their needs and to elect members of the board of directors for the coming two year term the nominating committee has prepared the following slate for the board anne liver recipient and don treffeisen robert heart recipient and eulene smith vito kidney recipient and bette suglia kay grenzig liver recipient jan schichtel kidney recipient larry juliano kidney recipient david bekofsky director public education litp those remaining on the board for another year are robert carroll liver kidney pancreas recipient jerry kidney recipient and jeanne eichhorn ron kidney donor and marie healy peter smith bone marrow recipient patricia ann yankus kidney and pancreas recipient walter ruzak kidney recipient this may seem to be a big board but many hands make light work and with our various medical uncertainties it is good to have backups for all the jobs on the board therefore in addition to the slate being presented for voting nominations will also be accepted from the floor there is no set number of board members and there is plenty of work in addition brief treasurer s and membership reports will be given and the floor will be open for any new business suggestions or comments anyone would like to bring up we will keep the formal meeting short so that we can spend the majority of the time with dr teperman future meetings remember the scheduled guests for the rest of the year may dr peter shaprio chief of psychiatry columbia presbyterian medical center june dr felix rappaport director of the stony brook kidney transplant program plan on being with us the second wednesday of each month notdaw the week of april is national organ and tissue donor awareness week notdaw while we are planning news releases speaking engagements and meetings with supervisors gullata and gaffney we have decided not to have our softball game because of two year s experience with miserable weather we all can help spread the word on donor awareness however we have found it effective to ask your pastor or rabbi to publish a letter or announcement in the parish bulletin allow you to address the congregation or include mention of the gift of life in his sermon attached to this newsletter is a sample letter and fact sheet you can use thank you dr starzl to be honored the long island chapter of the american liver foundation will hold its annual auction and dinner dance on may th at the fountainbleu on jericho turnpike in jericho dr thomas starzl will be the honored guest tickets are person and are going fast if you d like to meet dr starzl call anne treffeisen at for details membership news congratulations to al reese al received his heart transplant in pittsburgh after waiting years he is home and doing well after only days in hospital arthur michaels liver recipient is planning to run the boston marathon in april what fantastic proof that transplantation works we hope the national press notices bob mccormack after a persistent bout with infection had his transplanted kidney removed he is home now back on dialysis and feeling better nicole healy kidney recipient and daughter of ron and marie spent the past several weeks in hospital in miami with problems encountered on vacation marie has been with her in florida they are back in new york where nicole s treatment will continue we wish nicole a speedy recovery kay grenzig liver recipient is mending now after a bad fall that resulted in a broken arm and a broken leg kay is a candidate for the board so we need her well soon and best wishes to all coming out of the flu it was a tough winter for many but the tulips are just under the snow see you wednesday april pm k of c uniondale dr lewis teperman
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re what are the problems with nutrasweet aspartame in article apr uvm edu hbloom moose uvm edu heather writes nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than sugar some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces when it degrades nutrasweet it is thought to form formaldehyde and known to for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate substances the real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde produced are high enough to cause significant damage as both are toxic to living cells all i can say is that i will not consume it aspartame is the methyl ester of a dipeptide so a product of its hydrolysis is going to be methanol which can then be oxidized to formaldehyde the amounts of methanol formed from the ingestion of aspartame containing foods are completely in the metabolic noise since you re forming equally minute amounts of methanol from other components of food all the time in studies involving administration of high doses of the additive blood methanol levels were undetectable methanol is a poison only in quantities seen in human poisonings say ml and above this is a consequence of its oxidation to formaldehyde and formic acid two quite reactive compounds which at high enough levels can damage tissues like the retina and kidney because at such high doses the body s detoxification system is overwhelmed interestingly one treatment for early methanol poisoning is to get the person drunk on ethyl alcohol vodka or an equivalent that s because ethanol is metabolized preferentially over methanol by the enzymes in the liver if the methanol stays as methanol and isn t metabolized to formaldehyde it is actually relatively non toxic steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m c spdcc dyer
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re is msg sensitivity superstition in article apr cunews carleton ca wcsbeau alfred carleton ca opirg writes many people responded with more anecdotal stories i think its safe to say the original poster is already familiar with such stories presumably he wants hard info to substantiate or refute claims about msg making people ill there has been no hard info provided about msg making people ill that s the point after all like youself someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to do with the use of this substance in human nutrition have you read olney s work i fail to see how citing results from peer reviewed studies qualifies as bizarrely cracked that s because these peer reviewed studies are not addressing the effects of msg in people they re looking at animal models you can t walk away from this and start ranting about gloom and doom as if there were any documented deleterious health effects demonstrated in humans note that i wouldn t have any argument with a statement like noting that animal administration has pro duced the following blah blah we must be careful about its use in humans this is precisely not what you said tests have been done on rhesus monkeys as well i have never seen a study where the mode of administration was intra ventricular the glu and asp were administered orally some studies used iv and sc intra ventricular is not a normal admin method for food tox studies for obvious reasons you must not have read the peer reviewed works that i referred to or you would never have come up with this brain injection bunk it most certainly is for neurotoxicology you know studies of glutamate involve more than food science pardon me but where are you getting this from have you read the journals have you done a thorough literature search so point us to the studies in humans please i m familiar with the literature and i ve never seen any which relate at all to olney s work in animals and the effects of glutamate on neurons the point is exceeding the window of course they re amino acids note that people with pku cannot tolerate any phenylalanine well actually they have to tolerate some phenylalanine it s a essential amino acid they just try to get as little as is healthy without producing dangerous levels of phenylalanine and its metabolites in the blood olney s research compared infant human diets specifically the amount of freely available glu in mother s milk versus commercial baby foods vs typical lunch items from the standard american diet such as packaged soup mixes he found that one could exceed the projected safety margin for infant humans by at least four fold in a single meal of processed foods mother s milk was well below the effective dose goodness i m not saying that it s good to feed infants a lot of glutamate supplemented foods it s just that this projected safety margin is a construct derived from animal models and given that you can prove anything you like we re talking prudent policy in infant nutrition here yet you re misrepresenting it as received wisdom read olney s review paper in prog brain res and check his sources they are impecable there is no dispute impeccable there most certainly is a dispute between who over what i would be most interested in seeing you provide peer reviewed non food industry funded citations to articles disputing that msg has no effects whatsoever you mean asserting you re being intellectually dishonest or just plain confused because you re conflating reports which do not necessarily have anything to do with each other olney s reports would argue a potential for problems in human infants but that s not to say that this says anything whatsoever about the use of msg in most foods nor does he provide any studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects for obvious reasons it says nothing about msg s contribtion to the phenomenon of the chinese restaurant syndrome it says nothing about the frequent inability to replicate anecdotal reports of msg sensitivity in the lab dyer ursa major spdcc com hmm com why am i not surprised dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca probably one of the dumber remarks you ve made steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m c spdcc dyer
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re frequent nosebleeds in article apr freenet carleton ca ab freenet carleton ca robert allison writes does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency my younger brothers each tried a skin transplant thigh to nose lining but their nosebleeds soon returned i ve seen a reference to an herb called rutin that is supposed to help and i d like to hear of experiences with it or other techniques rutin is a bioflavonoid compounds found among other places in the rinds of citrus fruits these have been popular especially in europe to treat capillary fragility and seemingly in even more extreme cases a few months ago a friend was visiting from italy and he said that he d had hemorrhoids but his pharmacist friend sold him some pills incredulously i asked to look at them and sure enough these contained rutin as the active ingredient i probably destroyed the placebo effect from my skeptical sputtering i have no idea how he s doing hemorrhoid wise these days the studies which attempted to look at the effect of these compounds in human disease and nutrition were never very well controlled so the reports of positive results with them is mostly anecdotal this stuff is pretty much non toxic and probably inexpensive so there s little risk of trying it but i wouldn t expect much of a result steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m c spdcc dyer
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re is msg sensitivity superstition is there such a thing as msg monosodium glutamate sensitivity superstition anybody here have experience to the contrary as a person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are too i want to know why the food industry wants to put msg in food somebody in the industry give me some reasons why is it an industrial byproduct that needs getting get rid of is it to cover up the fact that the recipes are not very good or the food is poor quality do some of you get a sadistic pleasure out of making some of us sick do the taste testers have some defect in their flavor sensors mouth etc that msg corrects i really don t understand also nitrosiamines sp and sulfites why them there are safer ways to preserve food wines and beers i think outlaw the use of these substances without warning labels as large as those on cig packages require of comparable products on the market to be free of these substances and state that they are free of msg dyes nitrosiamines and sulfites on the package while at it outlaw yellow dye for that matter why dye food take the dyes and flavorings out of vitamins in my osco only stress tabs tm didn t have yellow dye my doctor says yellow dye is responsible for of all nasal polyps keep food food quit putting in junk just my two cents worth sig a person tired of getting sick from this junk walter lundby walter lundby
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re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article lsu q innia saltillo cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes i agree with everything that lee lady wrote in her previous post in this thread gee maybe i ve misjudged you russell anyone who agrees with something i say can t be all bad seriously i m not sure whether i misjudged you or not in one respect i still have a major problem though with your insistence that science is mainly about avoiding mistakes and i still disagree with your contention that nobody who doesn t use methods deemed scientific can possibly know what s true and what s not deleted material which i agree with back to lee lady these are not the rules according to many who post to sci med and sci psychology according to these posters if it s not supported by carefully designed controlled studies then it s not science these posters are making the mistake that i have previously criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe a carefully rules such as support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and controlled study are too narrow to apply to all investigation i think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things to reuse the previous example we know that conclusions from uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical problems are notoriously problematic okay so let s see if we agree on this first of all there are degrees of certainty it might be appropriate for instance to demand carefully controlled trials before we accept as absolute scientific truth to the extent that there is any such thing the effectiveness of a certain treatment on the other hand highly favorable clinical experience even if uncontrolled can be adequate to justify a preliminary judgement that a treatment is useful this is often the best evidence we can hope for from investigators who do not have institutional or corporate support in this case it makes sense to tentatively treat claims as credible but to reserve final judgement until establishment scientists who are qualified and have the necessary resources can do more careful testing secondly it makes sense to be more tolerant in our standards of evidence for a pronounced effect than for one that is marginal i come to this dispute about what science is not only as a mathematician but as a veteran of many arguments in sci psychology and occasionally in sci med about nlp neurolinguistic programming much of the work done to date by nlpers can be better categorized as informal exploration than as careful scientific research for years now i have been trying to get scientific and clinical psychologists to just take a look at it to read a few of the books and watch some of the videotapes courtesy of your local university library not for the purpose of making a definitive judgement but simply to look at the nlp methodology especially the approach to eliciting information from subjects and look for ideas and hypotheses which might be of scientific interest and most especially to be aware of the questions nlp suggests which might be worthy of scientific investigation over and over again the response i get in sci pychology is if this hasn t been thoroughly validated by the accepted form of empirical research then it can t be of any interest to us to me the ultimate reducio ad absurdum of the extreme there ve got to be controlled studies position is an nlp technique called the fast phobia trauma cure simple phobias as opposed to agoraphobia may not be the world s most important psychological disorder but the nice thing about them is that it doesn t take a sophisticated instrument to diagnose them or tell when someone is cured of one the nlp phobia cure is a simple visualization which requires less than minutes nlpers claim that it can also be used to neutralize a traumatic memory and hence is useful in treating post traumatic stress syndrome it is essentially a variation on the classic desensitization process used by behavioral therapists a subject only needs to be taken through the technique once or in the case of ptsd once for each traumatic incident the process doesn t need to be repeated and the subject doesn t need to practice it over again at home now to me it seems pretty easy to test the effectiveness of this cure especially if as nlpers claim the success rate is extremely high take someone with a fear of heights as i used to have take them up to a balcony on the th floor and observe their response spend minutes to have them do the simple visualization send them back up to the balcony and see if things have changed check back with them in a few weeks to see if the cure seems to be lasting more long term follow up is certainly desirable but from a scientific point of view even a cure that lasts several weeks has significance in any case there are many known cases where the cure has lasted years to the best of my knowledge there is no known case where the cure has been reversed after holding for a few weeks my own cure incidentally was done with a slightly different nlp technique before i learned of the fast phobia trauma cure ten years later now i enjoy living on the th floor of my building and having a large balcony the folks over in sci psychology have a hundred and one excuses not to make this simple test they claim that only an elaborate outcome study will be satisfactory a study of the sort that nlp practitioners many of whom make a barely marginal living from their practice can ill afford to do most of them are also just plain not interested because the whole idea seems frivolous and since they re not part of the scientific establishment they have no tangible rewards to gain from scientific acceptance the fast phobia trauma cure is over ten years old now and the clinical psychology establishment is still saying we don t have any way of knowing that it s effective these academics themselves have the resources to do a study as elaborate as anyone could want of course but they say why should i prove your theory and the burden of proof is on the one making the claim one academic in sci psychology said that it would be completely unscientific for him to test the phobia cure since it hasn t been described in a scientific journal it s described in a number of books and i ve posted articles in sci psychology describing it in as much detail as i m capable of actually at least one fairly careful academic study has been done with favorable results but it s apparently not acceptable because it s a doctoral dissertation and not published in a refereed journal to me this sort of attitude does not advance science but hinders it this is the kind of thing i have in mind when i talk about doctrinnaire attitudes about science now maybe i have been unfair in imputing such attitudes to you russell if so i apologize in the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet
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need to find information about current trends in diabetes i looked for diab in my newsrc and came up with nuthin anyone have any good sources for where i can read in particular i m interested in finding out more about intravenous insulin injection for hepatic vein liver activation whew wotta mouthful anything that smells like a pointer would be helpful newsgroup mailinglist etc many thanks time flies like the wind fruit flies like bananas steven w orr steveo world std com uunet world steveo everybody repeat after me we are all individuals
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re barbecued foods and health risk rsilver world std com richard silver writes some recent postings remind me that i had read about risks associated with the barbecuing of foods namely that carcinogens are generated is this a valid concern if so is it a function of the smoke or the elevated temperatures is it a function of the cooking elements wood or charcoal vs lava rocks i wish to know more thanks i recall that the issue is that fat on the meat liquifies and then drips down onto the hot elements whatever they are that the extreme heat then catalyzes something in the fat into one or more carcinogens which then are carried back up onto the meat in the smoke the ol professor
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re barbecued foods and health risk this reminds me of the last graham kerr cooking show i saw today he smoked meat on the stovetop in a big pot he used a strange technique i d never seen before he took a big pot with lid and placed a tray in it made from aluminum foil the tray was about the size and shape of a typical coffee table ash tray made by crumpling a sheet of foil around the edges in the tray he placed a couple spoonfuls of brown sugar a similar quantity of brown rice he said any rice will do the contents of two teabags of earl grey tea and a few cloves on top of this was placed an ordinary aluminum basket type steamer with two chicken breasts in it the lid was put on and the whole assembly went on the stovetop at high heat for or minutes later he removed what looked like smoked chicken breasts what surprises and concerns me are no wood chips where does the smoke flavor come from about or years ago i remember hearing that carmel color obtained by caramelizing sugar a common coloring and flavoring agent had been found to be carcinogenic i believe they injected it under the skin of rats or something if the results were conclusive caramel color would not be legal in the u s yet it is still being used was the initial research result found to be incorrect or what about or years ago i remember earl grey tea being implicated as carcinogenic because it contains oil of bergamot an extract from the skin of a type of citrus fruit does anyone know whatever happened with that story if it were carcinogenic earl grey tea could not have it as an additive yet it apparently continues to do so wrt natural wood smoke i ve smoking a duck right now as it happens i ve noticed that a heavily smoked food item will have an unpleasant tangy taste when eaten directly out of the smoker if the smoke has only recently stopped flowing i find the best taste to be had by using dry wood chips getting lots of smoke right up at the beginning of the cooking process then slowly barbequing for hours and hours without adding additional wood chips my theory is that the unpleasant tangy molecules are low molecular weight stuff like terpenes and that the smoky flavor molecules are some sort of larger molecule more similar to tar the long barbeque time after the initial intensive smoke drives off the low molecular weight stuff just leaving the flavor behind does anyone know if my theory is correct i also remember hearing that the combustion products of fat dripping on the charcoal and burning are carcinogenic for that reason and because it covers the product with soot and some unpleasant tanginess i only grill non drippy meats like prawns directly over hot coals i do stuff like this duck by indirect heat i have a long rectangular weber and i put the coals at one end and the meat at the other end the fat drops directly on the floor below the meat and next time i use the barbeque i make the fire in that end to burn off the fat and help ignite the coals and yet another reason i ve heard not to smoke or barbeque meat is that smoked cured meat like pork sausage and bacon contains nitrosamines which are carcinogenic i m pretty sure this claim actually has some standing don t know about the others an amusing incident i recall was the duncan hines scandal when it was discovered that the people who make duncan hines cake mix were putting a lot of ethylene dibromide edb into the cake mix to suppress weevils this is a fumigant which is known to be carcinogenic the guy who represented the company in the press conference defended himself by saying that the risk from eating duncan hines products every day for a year would be equal to the cancer risk from eating two charcoal broiled steaks what a great analogy when i first heard that my immediate reaction was we should make that a standard unit one charcoal broiled steak would be equivalent to duncans
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re brain abscess definition needed in article apr tardis mdcorp ksc nasa gov fresa tardis mdcorp ksc nasa gov writes could someone please define a brain abscess for me a relative has one near his cerebellum a brain abscess is an infection deep in the brain substance it is hard to cure with antibiotics since it gets walled off and usually it needs surgical drainage gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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hypoglycemia from anello adcs fnal gov anthony anello can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is dangerous i e indicates a possible pancreatic problem one dr says no the other not his specialty says the first is negligent and that another blood blood glucose levels of or so are common several hours after a big meal this level will usually not cause symptoms test should be done also what is a good diet what has worked for a hypo glycemic if you mean reactive hypoglycemia there are usually no symptoms hence there is no disease hence the dietary recommendations are the same as for anyone else if a patient complains of dizziness faintness sweating palpitations etc reliably several hours after a big meal the recommendations are obvious eat smaller meals slmr e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein
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need advice with doctor patient relationship problem ml from libman hsc usc edu marlena libman ml i need advice with a situation which occurred between me and a physican ml which upset me ml my questions should i continue to have this doctor manage my care that s easy no you wouldn t take your computer into a repair shop where they were rude to you even if they were competent in their business why would you take your own body into a repair shop where the repairman has such a bad attitude slmr e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein
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re is msg sensitivity superstition between who over what i would be most interested in seeing you provide peer reviewed non food industry funded citations to articles disputing that msg has no effects whatsoever you mean asserting you re being intellectually dishonest or just plain confused because you re conflating reports which do not necessarily have anything to do with each other olney s reports would argue a potential for problems in human infants but that s not to say that this says anything whatsoever about the use of msg in most foods nor does he provide any studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects for obvious reasons it says nothing about msg s contribtion to the phenomenon of the chinese restaurant syndrome it says nothing about the frequent inability to replicate anecdotal reports of msg sensitivity in the lab okay mr dyer we re properly impressed with your philosophical skills and ability to insult people you re a wonderful speaker and an adept politician however i believe that all you were asked to do was simply provide scientific research refuting the work of olney i don t think the original poster sought to start a philisophical debate she wanted some information given a little effort one could justify that shooting oneself with a before breakfast is a healthy practice but we re not particularily interested in what you can verbally prove disprove or rationalize where s the research where are the studies i appoligize if this sounds flamish i simply would like to see the thread get back on track lone wolf happy are they who dream dreams ed philips and pay the price to see them come true slyx cc usu edu unknown
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re barbecued foods and health risk in article dubin spot colorado edu dubin spot colorado edu writes i recall that the issue is that fat on the meat liquifies and then drips down onto the hot elements whatever they are that the extreme heat then catalyzes something in the fat into one or more carcinogens which then are carried back up onto the meat in the smoke hmmm care to be more vague howard doyle doyle pitt edu
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re sleeping pill od in article apr scott skidmore edu dfederma scott skidmore edu daniel federman writes a friend of mine took appoximately cvs sleeping pills each containing mg of diphenhydramine i think that s mg total i m worried though about the long term effects since he never had his stomach pumped will he have liver or brain damage any information would be greatly appreciated shouldn t have but he may need to see the shrink about why he wanted to kill himself depressed people can be succesfully treated usually gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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re request for information on essential tremor and indrol in article q tbninnnfn life ai mit edu sundar ai mit edu writes essential tremor is a progressive hereditary tremor that gets worse when the patient tries to use the effected member all limbs vocal cords and head can be involved inderal is a beta blocker and is usually effective in diminishing the tremor alcohol and mysoline are also effective but alcohol is too toxic to use as a treatment gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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re what are the problems with nutrasweet aspartame hbloom moose uvm edu heather writes nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than sugar some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces when it degrades nutrasweet it is thought to form formaldehyde and known to for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate substances the real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde produced are high enough to cause significant damage as both are toxic to living cells all i can say is that i will not consume it phenylalanine is nothing for you to worry about it is an amino acid and everyone uses small quantities of it for protein synthesis in the body some people have a disease known as phenylketoneurea and they are missing the enzyme necessary to degrade this compound and eliminate it from the body for them it will accumulate in the body and in high levels this is toxic to growing nerve cells therefore it is only a major problem in young children until around age or so or women who are pregnant and have this disorder it used to be a leading cause of brain damage in infants but now it can be easily detected at birth and then one must simply avoid comsumption of phenylalanine as a child or when pregnant heather if i remember rightly pku syndrome in infants is about they lack two genes and people who lack one gene are supposed to be persons those with pku have to avoid naturally occuring phenylalanine and those who only have one gene and underproduce whatever it is they are supposed to be producing are supposed to be less tolerant of aspartame the methol formaldahyde thing was supposed to occur with heating i don t drink it i figure sugar was made for a reason to quickly and easily satiate hungry people if you don t need the calories it s just as easy to drink water used to drink a six pack a aday of aspartame soda don t even drink one coke a day when sugared
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re nih offers exploratory grants for alternative medicine in article apr island com green island com robert greenstein writes in article pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes one problem is very few scientists are interested in alternative medicine so gordon why do you think this is so probably because most of them come packaged with some absurd theory behind them e g homoeopathy like cures like the more you dilute things the more powerful they get even if you dilute them so much there is no ingredient but water left chiropractic all illness stems from compressions of nerves by misaligned vertebrae such systems are so patently absurd that any good they do is accidental and not related to the theory the only exception is probably herbalism because scientists recognize the potent drugs that derive from plants and are always interested in seeing if they can find new plants that have active and useful substances but that isn t what is meant by alternative medicine usually if you get into the qi accupuntunce charts etc you are now back to silly theories that probably have nothing to do with why accupuncture works in some cases perhaps another reason they are reluctant is the rhine experience rhine was a scientist who wanted to investigate the paranormal and his lab was filled with so much chacanery and fakery that people don t want to be associated with that sort of thing gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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re dislocated shoulder in article apr e big mko dec com steve caboom cbm dec com steve katz writes recently i managed to dislocate my shoulder while sking the injury also seems to have damaged the nerves in my arm i was wondering if someone could point me towards some literature that would give me some background into these types of injuries please respond by email if possible your medical school library should have books on peripheral nerve injuries probably it was your brachial plexus so look that up gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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re too many mris in article q rie mo access digex net kfl access digex com keith f lynch writes so why are the scans so expensive and what can be done to reduce the expense isn t it just a box with some big magnets a radio transmitter and an attached pc the magnets are huge good mri sets with big tesla magnets cost millions of dollars then the radiologist wants for reading each scan gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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re helium non renewable was too many mris in article lsj gdinnkor saltillo cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes how does the helium get consumed i would have thought that failure to contain it perfectly would result in its evaporation back into the atmosphere sounds like a cycle to me obviously it takes energy to run the cycle but i seriously doubt that helium consumption is a resource issue it s not a cycle free helium will escape from the atmosphere due to its high velocity it won t be practical to recover it it has to be mined gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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re need to find information about current trends in diabetes in c nf r kpj world std com steveo world std com steven w orr writes i looked for diab in my newsrc and came up with nuthin anyone have any good sources for where i can read check out the diabetic mailing list a knowledgable helpful friendly voluminous bunch send email to listserv pccvm bitnet with this line in the body subscribe diabetic your name here also the vote for misc health diabetes a newsgroup for general discussion of diabetes is currently underway and will close on april from the nd cfv posted to news announce newgroups news groups and sci med message q jshinn v rodan uu net to place a vote for the creation of misc health diabetes send an email message to yes sun nrl navy mil to place a vote against creation of misc health diabetes send an email message to no sun nrl navy mil the contents of the message should contain the line i vote for against misc health diabetes as proposed email messages sent to the above addresses must constitute unambiguous and unconditional votes for against newsgroup creation as proposed conditional votes will not be accepted only votes emailed to the above addresses will be counted mailed replies to this posting will be returned in the event that more than one vote is placed by an individual only the most recent vote will be counted one additional cfv will be posted during the course of the vote along with an acknowledgment of those votes received to date no information will be supplied as to how people are voting until the final acknowledgment is made at the end at which time the full vote will be made public voting will continue until gmt apr votes will not be accepted after this date any administrative inquiries pertaining to this cfv may be made by email to swkirch sun nrl navy mil the proposed charter appears below charter misc health diabetes unmoderated the purpose of misc health diabetes is to provide a forum for the discussion of issues pertaining to diabetes management i e diet activities medicine schedules blood glucose control exercise medical breakthroughs etc this group addresses the issues of management of both type i insulin dependent and type ii non insulin dependent diabetes both technical discussions and general support discussions relevant to diabetes are welcome postings to misc heath diabetes are intended to be for discussion purposes only and are in no way to be construed as medical advice diabetes is a serious medical condition requiring direct supervision by a primary health care physician end of charter
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foreskin troubles what can be done short of circumcision for an adult male whose foreskin will not retract
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bone marrow sclerosis i am looking for information on possible causes and long term effects of bone marrow sclerosis i would also be thankful if anyone reading this newsgroup could list some recognized treatment centers if anything else than massive blood transfusion can be effective if you plan on a go to the library style reply please be kind enough to add a list of suggested topics or readings medicine is not my field regards joel malard joel cs mcgill ca
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quality control in medicine does anybody know of any information regarding the implementaion of total quality management quality control quality assurance in the delivery of health care service i would appreciate any information if there is enough interest i will post the responses thank you abhin singla ms bioe mba md president ac medcomp inc
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re lyme vaccine jeff if you have time to type it in i d love to have the reference for that paper thanks kathleen richards email karicha eis calstate edu sometimes you re the windshield sometimes you re the bug dire straits
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re quality control in medicine in article u uicvm uic edu u uicvm uic edu writes does anybody know of any information regarding the implementaion of total quality management quality control quality assurance in the delivery of health care service i would appreciate any information if there is enough interest i will post the responses this is in fact a hot topic in medicine these days and much of the medical literature is devoted to this the most heavily funded studies these days are for outcome research and physicians and others are constantly questionning whether what we do it truly effective in any given situation qa activities are a routine part of every hospital s administrative function and are required by accreditation agencies there are even entire publications devoted to qa issues kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer
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re homeopathy a respectable medical tradition gordon banks geb cs pitt edu wrote in article nlsun oracle nl rgasch nl oracle com robert gasch writes from a business point of view it might make sense it depends on the personality of the practitioner if he can charm the patients into coming homeopathy can be very profitable it won t be covered by insurance however just keep that in mind myself i d have in many european countries homepathy is accepted as a method of curing or at least alleiating many conditions to which modern medicine has no answer in most of these countries insurance pays for the treatments accepted by whom not by scientists there are people in every country who waste time and money on quackery in britain and scandanavia where i have worked it was not paid for what are most of these countries i don t believe you in holland insurences pay for homeopathic treatment in germany they do so as well i austria they do if you have a condition which can not be helped by normal medicine happened to me switzerland seems to be the same as austria i have direct experience in the swiss case at the univeristy of vienna i believe innsbruck as well homeopathy can be taken in med school i found that in combination with acupuncture it changed my life from living hell to a condition which enables me to lead a relatively normal life i found that modern medicine was powerless to cure me of a severe case of neurodermitis note i mean cure not surpress the symptoms which is what modern medicine attempts to do in the case of neurodermitis i m not saying that homeopathy is scientific but that it can offer help in areas in which modern medicine is absolutely helpless from reading your aritcle it seems that your have some deeply rooted beliefs about this issue this is not intended to be offensive or sarcastic it just sounded like that to me which makes me doubt if you can read this with an open mind if you do can please excuse my last comment robert rgasch nl oracle com
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help help maybe anybody know names of conferences in please help me find any information for next keywords echocardiography and cardiology dopler i hawe no informatins on this subjects years becouse i leave in tbilisy sorry for my bad english my adress irina kiria kheta georgia su
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hypoglycemia anello adcs fnal gov anthony anello writes a can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is a dangerous i e indicates a possible pancreatic problem one dr says no the a other not his specialty says the first is negligent and that another blood a test should be done also what is a good diet what has worked for a hypo a glycemic tia a a a anthony anello a fermilab a batavia illinois once you have your hypoglycemia confirmed through the proper channels you might consider ther following chelated manganese mg day chelated chromium mcg day increase protein through foods or supplements avoid supplements foods high in potassium calcium zinc avoid vit c supplements in excess of mg avoid honey and foods high in simple sugars enjoy breads cereals grains discuss the above with your health practitioner for compatibility with your body chemistry and safety ron rosereader p beer it s not just for breakfast anymore rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
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glutamate in article lso qinnkpr news bbn com sher bbn com lawrence d sher writes from the n e j med editorial the dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate is not only an essential amino acid glutamate is not an essential amino acid people can survive quite well without ever eating any keith lynch kfl access digex com f p s q x f f q f f p q s q p f w q p x
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re lyme vaccine kathleen richards kilty ucrengr wrote if you have time to type it in i d love to have the reference for that paper thanks experimental lyme disease in dogs produces arthritis and persistant infection the journal of infectious diseases march jeff parke jeffp pgavin vetmed wsu edu also jeffp wsuvm bitnet aol jeffparke washington state university college of veterinary medicine class of pullman wa
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re selective placebo in article apr rose com ron roth rose com ron roth writes otoh who are we kidding the new england medical journal in ran the heading ninety percent of diseases are not treatable by drugs or surgery which has been echoed by several other reports no wonder mds are not amused with alternative medicine since the magic of the placebo effect would award alternative practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine of diseases is not the same thing as of patients in a world with one curable disease that strikes people and nine incurable diseases which strikes one person each medical science will cure of the patients and report that of diseases have no therapy a disease would be counted among the untreatable if nothing better than a placebo were known of course mds are ethically bound to not knowingly dispense placebos dk
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re glutamate in article qrsr d access digex net kfl access digex com keith f lynch writes in article lso qinnkpr news bbn com sher bbn com lawrence d sher writes from the n e j med editorial the dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate is not only an essential amino acid glutamate is not an essential amino acid people can survive quite well without ever eating any there is no contradiction here it is essential in the sense that your body needs it it is non essential in the sense that your body can produce enough of it without supplement jason chen
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re glutamate in article apr walter bellcore com jchen wind bellcore com jason chen writes there is no contradiction here it is essential in the sense that your body needs it it is non essential in the sense that your body can produce enough of it without supplement and when you re in a technical discussion of amino acids it s the latter definition that s used almost universally carl j lydick internet carl sol gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol carl disclaimer hey i understand vaxen and vms that s what i get paid for my understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level or below so unless what i m saying is directly related to vax vms don t hold me or my organization responsible for it if it is related to vax vms you can try to hold me responsible for it but my organization had nothing to do with it
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re barbecued foods and health risk in article c mv v o world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes some recent postings remind me that i had read about risks associated with the barbecuing of foods namely that carcinogens are generated is this a valid concern if so is it a function of the smoke or the elevated temperatures is it a function of the cooking elements wood or charcoal vs lava rocks i wish to know more thanks from the tufts university guide to total nutrition stanley gershoff ph d dean of tufts university school of nutrition harperperennial isbn the greatest hazard of barbecuing is that the cook will not use enough caution and get burned some people suggest that the barbecuing itself is dangerous because the smoke which is absorbed by the meat contains benzopyrene which in its pure form has been known to cause cancer in laboratory animals however in order to experience the same results people would have to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time rich young these are not kodak s opinions
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re what are the problems with nutrasweet aspartame in article apr uvm edu hbloom moose uvm edu heather writes nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than sugar some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces when it degrades nutrasweet it is thought to form formaldehyde and known to for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate substances the real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde produced are high enough to cause significant damage as both are toxic to living cells all i can say is that i will not consume it in the september issue of the tufts university diet and nutrition letter there is a three page article about artificial sweeteners what follows are those excerpts which deal specifically with nutrasweet reproduced without permission the controversy over aspartame began six years ago in england where a group of researchers found that aspartame marketed under the tradename nutrasweet appears to stimulate appetite and presumably the eating of more calories in the long run than if a person simply consumed sugar when researchers asked a group of people to drink plain water aspartame sweetened water and sugared water they said that overall they felt hungriest after drinking the artificially sweetened beverage the study received widespread media attention and stirred a good deal of concern among the artificial sweetener using public however its results were questionable at best since the researchers did not go on to measure whether the increase in appetite did actually translate into an increase in eating the two do not necessarily go hand in hand in the years that followed more than a dozen studies examining the effect of aspartame on appetite and eating were conducted and after reviewing every one of them the director of the laboratory of the study of human ingestive behavior at johns hopkins university barbara rolls ph d concluded that consuming aspartame sweetened foods and drinks is not associated with any increase in the amount of food eaten afterward one artificial sweetener that is not typically accused of causing cancer is aspartame but it most certainly has been blamed for a host of other ills since its introduction in the government has received thousands of complaints accusing it of causing everything from headaches to nausea to mood swings to anxiety still years of careful scientific study conducted both before and after the sweetener s entering the market have failed to confirm that it can bring about adverse health effects that s why the centers for disease control the government agency charged with monitoring public health the american medical association s council on scientific affairs and the food and drug administration have given aspartame one of the most studied food additives a clean bill of health granted the fda has set forth an acceptable daily intake of milligrams of aspartame per kilogram of body weight to exceed the limit however a pound kg woman would have to take in milligrams of aspartame the amount in cans of aspartame sweetened soda pop cups of gelatin cups of yogurt or six ounce servings of aspartame containing hot cocoa a pound kg man would have to consume some milligrams of the sweetener the amount in cans of soda pop or cups of yogurt to go over the limit chart with aspartame content of selected foods omitted only one small group of people must be certain to stay away from aspartame those born with a rare metabolic disorder called phenylketonuria or pku the estimated one person in every to who has it is unable to properly metabolize an essential amino acid in aspartame called phenylalanine once a child consumes it it builds up in the body and can ultimately cause such severe problems as mental retardation to help people with pku avoid the substance labels on cans of soda pop and other aspartame sweetened foods must carry the warning phenylketonurics contains phenylalanine rich young these are not kodak s opinions
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hunchback i have a friend who has a very pronounced slouch of his upper back he always walks and sits this way so i have concluded that he is hunchback is this a genetic disorder or is it something that people can correct i e is it just bad posture that can be changed with a bit of will power isabelle rosso dartmouth edu
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post polio syndrome information needed please ks from keith actrix gen nz keith stewart ks my wife has become interested through an acquaintance in post polio syndrome ks this apparently is not recognised in new zealand and different symptons eg ks chest complaints are treated separately does anone have any information i m not sure that this condition is recognised anywhere in the sense of a disease with diagnostic criteria clear boundaries between it and other diseases unique pathologic or physiologic features etc but here goes with what many neurologists agree on post polio syndrome patients have evidence of motor neuron disease by clinical examination emg and muscle biopsy the abnormalities are mostly chronic due to old polio but there is evidence of ongoing deterioration clinically the patients complain of declining strength and endurance with everyday motor tasks musculoskeletal pain is a nearly universal feature that doubtless contributes to the impaired performance the examination shows muscle weakness and atrophy the emg shows evidence of old denervation with reinnervation giant and long duration motor unit action potentials and evidence of active denervation fibrillation potentials the biopsy also shows old denervation with reinnervation fiber type grouping and evidence of active denervation small angulated fibers with dense oxidative enzyme staining but curiously little or no group atrophy post polio patients do not have als in als there is clinically evident deterioration from one month to the next in post polio the patients are remarkably stable in objective findings from one year to the next of course there are patients who had polio before who develop genuine als but als is no more common among polio survivors than among people who never had polio the cause of post polio syndrome is unknown there is little evidence that post polio patients have active polio virus or destructive immunologic response to virus antigen there is no solid evidence that patients with post polio have anything different happening to the motor unit anterior horn cells motor axons neuromuscular junctions and muscle fibers than patients with old polio who are not complaining of deterioration both groups can have the same emg and biopsy findings the reason for these acute changes in a chronic disease old polio is unknown possibly spinal motor neurons that have reinnervated huge numbers of muscle fibers start shedding the load after several years there are a couple of clinical features that distinguish post polio syndrome patients from patients with old polio who deny deterioration the pps patients are more likely to have had severe polio the pps patients are much more likely to complain of pain they also tend to score higher on depression scales of neuropsychologic tests my take on this i m sure some will disagree after recovery from severe polio there can be abnormal loading on muscles tendons ligaments bones and joints that leads to inflammatory and or degenerative conditions affecting these structures the increasing pain superimposed on the chronic but unchanging weakness leads to progressive impairment of motor performance and adl i am perhaps biased by personal experience of having never seen a pps patient who was not limited in some way by pain i do not believe that pps patients have more rapid deterioration of motor units than non pps patients i e those with old polio of similar severity but without pps complaints slmr e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein
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re post polio syndrome information needed please dn from nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye dn briefly this is a condition in which patients who have significant dn residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the dn weakness as they get older one theory is that the remaining motor dn neurons have to work harder and so die sooner if this theory were true the muscle biopsy would show group atrophy evidence of acute loss of enlarged motor units it doesn t instead the biopsy shows scattered angulated atrophic fibers this is more consistent with load shedding by chronically overworked motor neurons the neurons survive at the expense of increasingly denervated muscle slmr e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein
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re food related seizures sharon paulson paulson tab larc nasa gov wrote once again we are waiting i have been thinking that it would be good to get to as large a group as possible to see if anyone has any experience with this kind of thing i know that members of the medical community are sometimes loathe to admit the importance that diet and foods play in our general health and well being anyway as you can guess i am worried sick about this and would appreciate any ideas anyone out there has sorry to be so wordy but i wanted to really get across what is going on here i don t know anything specifically but i have one further anecdote a colleague of mine had a child with a serious congenital disease tuberous sclerosis along with mental retardation comes a serious seizure disorder the parents noticed that one thing that would precipitate a seizure was a meal with corn in it i have always wondered about the connection and further about other dietary ingredients that might precipitate seizures other experiences would be interesting to hear about from netters david ozonoff md mph boston university school of public health dozonoff med itvax bu edu east concord st t c boston ma
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re eugenics subject re eugenics gordon banks writes probably within years a new type of eugenics will be possible maybe even sooner we are now mapping the human genome we will then start to work on manipulation of that genome using genetic engineering we will be able to insert whatever genes we want no breeding no hybrids etc the ethical question is should we two past problems with eugenics have been reducing the gene pool and defining the status of the eugenized inserting genes would not seem to reduce the gene pool unless the inserted genes later became transmissible to progeny then they may be able to crowd out garbage genes this may in the future become possible even if it does awareness of the need to maintain the gene pool would hopefully mean provisions will be made for saving genes that may come in handy later evidently the genes for sickle cell disease in equatorial africa and for diabetes in the hopi promoted survival in some conditions we don t really know what the future may hold for our environment the reduced wilderness and disease survival capacity of our relatively inbred domesticated animals comes to mind vulcanism nuclear winter ice age meteor impact new microbiological threats famine global warming etc etc are all conceivable therefore having as many genes as possible available is a good strategy for species survival of course the status of genetically altered individuals would start out as no different than anyone else s but if we could make philosopher kings with great bodies and long lives would we or they want to give them elevated status we could the romans did it with their kings without the benefits of such eugenics the race eventually realized and dealt with the problems which that caused but for a while it was a problem orwell introduced us to the notion of what might happen to persons genetically altered for more menial tasks but there is nothing new under the sun we treated slaves the same way for millennia before i see no inherent problem with gene therapy which avoids at least these problems humans have always had trouble having the virtue and wisdom to use any power that falls into their hands to good ends all the time that hasn t stopped the race as a whole yet many are the civilizations which have died from inability to adapt to environmental change however also many are the civilizations which have died from the abuse of their own power the ones which survived have hopefully learned a lesson from the fates of others and have survived by making better choices when their turns came not that i don t think that this gene altering power couldn t wipe us off the face of the earth or cause endless suffering nuclear power or global warming or whatever could and may still do that too the real issue is an issue of wisdom and virtue i personally don t think man has enough wisdom and virtue to pull this next challenge off any better than he did the for last few we as eugenists may make it an we may not if we don t i hope there are reservoirs of garbage people out in some backwater with otherwise long discarded garbage genes which will pull us through i believe that the real problem is and will probably always be the same man needs to accept input from the great spirit of god to overcome his lacks in the area of knowing how to use the power he has some men have and i believe all men may listen to and obey the still small voice of god in their hearts this is the way to begin to recieve the wisdom and virtue needed to escape the problems consequent to poor choices peoples have died out for many reasons the societies which failed to accept enough input from god to safely use the power they had developed have destroyed themselves and often others in the process it is self evident that the ones which survive today have either accepted enough input from the spirit to use their powers wisely enough to avoid or survive their own mistakes thus far or else haven t had enough power for long enough in summary i would say that the question of whether to use this new technology is really an ancient one and the answer in some ways hard in some ways easy is the same ancient answer it isn t the power it is the spirit sorry for the long post got carried away bob ruegg med unc edu
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re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article ls lnvinnrtb saltillo cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes not imply that all their treatments are ineffective it does imply that those who rely on faulty methodology and reasoning are incapable of discovering which treatments are effective and which are not to start with no methodology or form of reasoning is infallible so there s a question of how much certainty we are willing to pay for in a given context insistence on too much rigor bogs science down completely and makes progress impossible expenditure of sufficiently large sums of money and amounts of time can sometimes overcome this on the other hand with too little rigor much is lost by basing work on results which eventually turn out to be false there is a morass of studies contradicting other studies and outsiders start saying you people call this science my opinion for what it s worth is that one sees both these phenomena happening simultaneously in some parts of psychology some subjective judgement is required to decide on the level of rigor appropriate for a particular investigation i don t believe it is ever possible to banish subjective judgement from science my second point though is that highly capable people can often make extremely reliable judgements about scientific validity even when using methodology considered inadequate by the usual standards i think this is true of many scientists and i think it is true of many who approach their discipline in a way that is not generally recognized as scientific within mathematics i think there are several examples especially before the twentieth century one conspicuous case is that of riemann who is famous for many theorems he stated but did not prove later mathematicians did prove them of course i think that for a good scientist empirical investigation is often not so much a matter of determining what is true and what s not as it is a matter of convincing other people people have proposed lots of incompatible definitions of science here but i think the ability to objectively convince others of the validity of one s results is an essential element not that one can necessarily do that at every step of the scientific process but i think that if one is not moving toward that goal then one is not doing science when a person other than a scientist is quite good at what he does and seems to be very successful at it i think that his judgements are also worthy of respect and that his assertions are well worth further investigation in article c by hd news hawaii edu i wrote namely is there really justification for the belief that science is a superior path to truth than non scientific approaches admittedly my question was not at all well posed a considerable amount of effort in a serious scholarly investigation such as i suggested would be required simply to formulate an appropriately specific question to try and answer the science i was thinking of in my question is the actual science currently practiced now in the last decade of the twentieth century i certainly wasn t thinking of some idealized science or the mere use of reason and observation one thing i had in mind in my suggestion was the question as to whether in many cases the subjective judgements of skilled and experienced practitioners might be more reliable than statistical studies since russell turpin seems to be much more familiar than i am with the study of scientific methodology perhaps he can tell us if there is any existing research related to this question in the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet
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re eugenics thanks to tarl neustaedter of ma for kindly letting me know that my reference in prior post to orwell and should probably have been to huxley and brave new world sorry al bob ruegg med unc edu
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adult chicken pox i am and am recovering from a case of chicken pox which i contracted from my year old daughter i have quite a few of these little puppies all over my bod at what point am i no longer infectious my physician s office says when they are all scabbed over is this true is there any medications which can promote healing of the pox speed up healing please e mail replies and thanks in advance marc grant internet marcbg feenix metronet com pob amateur radio station n mei richardson tx voice fax
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re foreskin troubles this is generally called phimosis usually it is due to an inflammation and ca n be retracted in the physician s offfice rather eaaasily one should see a gp or in complicated cases a urologist
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re selective placebo ron roth recommends once you have your hypoglycemia confirmed through the proper channels you might consider ther following diet omitted ron what do you consider to be proper channels this sounds suspiciously like a blood chemistry glucose tolerance and the like suddenly chemistry exists you know perfectly well that this person can be saved needless trouble and expense with simple muscle testing and hair analysis to diagnose no confirm any aberrant physiology but then again maybe that s what you meantby proper channels were you able to understand dick king s post that of diseases is not thesame thing as of patients which was a reply to your inability to critically evaluate the statistic you cited from the new england journal of medicine couldyou figure out what is implied by the remark of course mds are ethically bound to not knowingly dispense placebos ron have you ever thought about why you never post in misc health alterna tive and insist instead upon insinuating your untrained non medical often delusional notions of health and disease into this forum i suspect from your apparent anger toward mds and heteropathic medicine that there may be an underlying father problem of course i can confirm this by surrogate muscle testing one of my patients while they ponder my theory to see if one of their previously weak indicator muscles strengthens or do you have reservations about my unique methods of diagnosis oh i forgot what you said in an earlier post neither am i concerned of whether or not my study designs meet your or anyone else s criteria of acceptance john badanes dc ca romdas uclink berkeley edu ideas
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image processing software for pc i am posting the following for my brother please post your replies or send him email to his address at the end of his message thank you my supervisor is looking for a image analysis software for ms dos we need something to measure lengths and areas on micrographs sometime in the future we may expand to do some densitometry for gels etc we ve found lots of ads and info for the jandel scientific products sigmascan and java but we have not been able to find any competing products we would appreciate any comments on these products and suggestions comments on other products we should consider thanks donald userdono mtsg ubc ca
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critique of pressure point massager as promised below is a personal critique of a pressure point massager i recently bought from the self care catalog i am very pleased with the results the catalog description is as follows the pressure point massager is an aggressive physical massager that actually kneads the tension out of muscles much like a professional shiatsu masseur the powerful motor drives two counter rotating thumbs that move in one inch orbits releasing tension in the neck back legs and arms pressure point massager a to order or receive a catalog call hours days or fax at note when i ordered the massager the item number was different and the price was not when i received it i glanced thru the newer catalog enclosed with it to see anything was different from the first one i was quite annoyed to see a difference in price i called them about it and the cust rep said that they had switched manufacturers although it looks and works exactly the same he told me to go ahead and return the first one and order the cheaper one using the price difference as a reason for return in fact since the newer ones might take a while to ship from the factory i received this one in days he told me i could use the one i already have until the new one arrives then return the old one very reasonable people i have long term neck shoulder and back pain if i were a building i would be described as structurally unsound i have stretches and exercises to do that help but the problem never really goes away if for whatever reason i do not exercise for a while illness not enough time lazy etc the muscles become quite stiff and painful and thus more prone to further strain even with exercise i sometimes require physical therapy to get back on track which st requires a doctor visit to get the prescription for p t the tension in my neck if not released eventually causes a headache sometimes confused with a sinus headache over my left eye when my physical therapist has massaged my neck and the sub occipital muscles in particular the knobby areas near the base of the skull the headache usually eased within a day although it hurts like hell to while it is being massaged i ordered this device because it seemed to be exactly what i was wishing someone would invent a machine that would massage not vibrate my neck and sub occipital muscles like my physical therapist has done in the past that i could use by myself no doctor visit or inconvenient p t appts for a week later would be needed to use it i could get up in the middle of the night and use it if necessary i have been using it for about a week or so now and love it the base unit is about a x rectangle about high with handles on each side and it plugs into an average outlet the two metal thumbs are about in diameter and protrude about above the base the thumbs are covered with a gray cloth that is non removable they are located more toward one end rather than centered see figure below they move in either clockwise or counter clockwise directions depending on which side of the switch is pushed and are very quiet it can be used from either side for instance the thumbs can be positioned at the base of the neck or the top of the neck depending on which direction you approach it for the neck head the user varies the amount of pressure used by if laying down allowing all or part of the full weight of the head and or neck to rest on the thumbs the handles can also be used if sitting or standing applying pressure with the arms wrists since my wrists are also impaired i m typing this over an extended period of time and i don t have someone living with me who can apply it laying down works well for me for my back i sit in a high backed kitchen chair position the massager behind me at whatever point i want massaged and lean back lightly or not so lightly against it the pressure of leaning back holds it in place if i want to massage the entire spine i simply move it down a few inches whenever i feel like it for my back this machine is far superior to use than the commonly used home made massager of tennis balls taped together with the balls position against a wall or door them over the spine and move the body up and down against them the tennis balls are better than nothing but difficult to use for very long especially if your quads are not in good shape and my long hair gets painfully in the way if i don t pin it up first as far as i m concerned the easier something like this is to use the more likely i ll use do it if there are multiple considerations hassles i m more likely to not bother with it not only has this machine helped with my headaches but my range of motion for my neck and back are greatly increased the first time i used it on my neck sub occipital muscles however i overdid it and pressed too hard against it which resulted in a very tender almost bruised area for a few days i laid off it for about days and applied ice which helped after that i was more gradual about applying pressure at this point the pain in the sub occipital area is now minimal while being massaged i also learned to use very light pressure on my lower back which is the most vulnerable point for me it also eased some painful knots of tension between my shoulder blades although again it took a few days of massaging just a few minutes at a time to really work it out i highly recommend this product if you have similar problems although i cannot vouch for its durability it seems pretty sturdy since i ve had it such a short time i plan to use it not only to ease tension but also to loosen the muscls before exercising and maybe after too i have been ill recently and not able to exercise much for a few weeks so this was very timely for me this is the st product i ve ordered from this company and only recently became aware of it thru a co worker the catalog states they have been in business since it contains quite a few health care products and while they appear to be more expensive than the average health care catalog products they also appear to be of much higher quality with more thought put into what they actually do definitely a step above some other ones i ve seen such as dr leonards health care catalog or mature wisdom i m only but have ended up on some geriatric type mailing lists no big surprise here i consider many of those products to be rip offs particularly targeted toward the elderly with dubious health benefits i apologize for the length of this but it s the kind of info i would like to know before ordering something thru the mail robin coutellier northern telecom mountain view ca internet robin ntmtv com uucp portal ntmtv robin
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re need advice with doctor patient relationship problem in article c l qb y athena cs uga edu mcovingt aisun ai uga edu michael covington writes sounds as though his heart s in the right place but he is not adept at expressing it what you received was meant to be a profound apology apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that his heart this jerk doesn t have a heart and it beats me why you re apologizing for him in my book behavior like this is unprofessional inexcusable and beyond the pale if he s overworked it s because he s too busy raking in the bucks more likely he just likes to push women around i d fire the s o b and get myself another doctor die welt ist alles was zerfall ist peter cash apologies to ludwig wittgenstein cash convex com
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placebo effects i know that the placebo effect is where a patient feels better or even gets better because of his her belief in the medicine and the doctor administering it is there also an anti placebo effect where the patient dislikes distrusts doctors and medicine and therefore doesn t get better or feel better in spite of the medicine is there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a medicine that he she sees improvement where the is none or sees more improvement than there is if so what is this effect called is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor doesn t believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than there is what would this effect be called have these effects ever been studied how common are these effects thank you in advance for all replies information is very valuable but dis information is much more common
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help looking for a medical journal article whiplash cervical pain hi i am not sure where to post this message please contact me if i m way off the mark on my wife went to her general practitioner doctor he mentioned an article from a medical journal that is of great interest to us he had read it in the previous three months but has been unable to find it again the article was about whiplash injury cervical pain it mentions the use of a mri magnetic resonance imagery machine as a diagnostic tool and the work of a neurosurgeon who relived cervical pain this article is most likely in an australian medical journal i very much want to obtain the name of the article journal and author because the case matches my wife we would very much appreciate anyone s help in this matter via email preferably gavin anderson email ganderson cmutual com au analyst programmer phone colonial mutual life aust acn fax some people never consciously discover their antipodes gavin anderson email ganderson cmutual com au analyst programmer phone colonial mutual life aust acn fax
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the andromeda strain just had the opportunity to watch this flick on a e some years since i saw it last i was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film for handling infectious diseases and similar toxic substances clearly they faked a lot of the computer robotic technology certainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction itself let alone the idea of a space germ quite coincidentally actually this is what got me wanted to see the movie again i watched a segment on the otherwise awful how d they do that dealing with a disease researcher at the cdc s top lab there was description of the elaborate security measures taken so that building will never be cracked so to speak by man or nature short of deliberate bombing from the air perhaps and the researchers used spacesuits similar to that in the film i m curious what people think about this film short of silly is such a facility technically feasible today as far as the plot and the crystalline structure that is not life as we know it that s a whole nother argument for rec arts sf tech or something next a waco update an ohio prison update a bosnia update a russian update an abortion update and a congressional update here on snn the standoff news network all news all standoff all day daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract
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re h e l p m e desperate with some vd i can probably buy the tools and this solution somewhere but i don t know how to do injection by myself you may also want to buy a self injector or something like that my friend is diabetic you load the hyperdermic put it in a plastic case and set a spring to automatically push the needle into the skin and depress the plunger live from new york it s saturday night tonight s special guest lawrence silverberg from the state university of new york albany aka ls gemini albany edu
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re barbecued foods and health risk also don t forget that it s better for your health to enjoy your steak than to resent your sprouts mark mcwiggins hermes associates voice markmc halcyon com box seattle wa fax
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re barbecued foods and health risk from my reading of the popular and scientific literature i think that the benzopyrene from burned fat problem is probably real but very small compared to other kinds of risks this type of problem also occurs with stove top pan grilling one possible remedy i have read about is to take some vitamin c with your meal of barbecue or bacon e g this may make sense because vit c is an antioxidant which could counteract the adverse affect of some of the chemicals in question bon apetit sanford silverman opinions expressed here are my own american cyanamid sandy pt cyanamid com silvermans pt cyanamid com yeast is best
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immunotherapy for recurrent miscarriage following a series of miscarriages my wife was given a transfusion of my white cells the theory as i understand it is that there is some kind of immune blocking that prevents the body from attacking the pregnancy as it normally would a foreign body where this blocking is deficient the body evicts the intruder resulting in a miscarriage the white cells apparently enhance the blocking capability following the transfusion she successfully carried the next pregnancy to term and jake is now an active month old who cannot wait to walk we re now thinking about having another child but no one including the obgyn who supervised the first transfusion really seems to know whether or not the transfusion process needs to be repeated for successive pregnancies is there anyone in net land who has experience with this thanks gene and jane and jake p s i ve also posted this in misc kids
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re is msg sensitivity superstition in rec food cooking packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charles packer writes is there such a thing as msg monosodium glutamate sensitivity i saw in the ny times sunday that scientists have testified before an fda advisory panel that complaints about msg sensitivity are superstition anybody here have experience to the contrary i know that there is msg sensitivity when i eat foods with msg i get very thirsty and my hands swell and get a terrible itchy rash i first experienced this problem when i worked close to chinatown and ate chinese food almost everyday for lunch now i can t tolerate msg at all i can notice immediately when i have eaten any i try to avoid msg completely interesting fact though is that all three of my children started experiencing the exact same rash on their hands i couldn t understand why because i don t msg in cooking and we ask for no msg when we do eat chinese i still love it after some investigation i knew that oodles of noodles where one of their favorite foods one of the main ingredients in the flavor packets is msg now i look at all labels you would be surprised at places you find msg betty harvey harvey oasys dt navy mil david taylor model basin adp networking and communication assessment carderock division branch naval surface warfare code center bethesda md dtmb cd nswc fax
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re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article apr cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes i m not familiar with the history of this experiment although arguably i should be for a brief but pretty detailed account try hempel s philosophy of natural science i think that it is enough if his contemporaries found the result surprising that s not what i d quibble about what i d like to know are toricelli s reasons for doing his experiment not the post hoc constructed reasons but the thoughts in his head as he considered the problem it may be this smacks a bit of ideology the supposition being that toricelli s subsequent descriptions of his reasoning are not veridical it gets dangerously close to an unfalsifiable view of the history and methodology of science if we deny that no subsequent reports of experimenters are reliable descriptions of their real reasons impossible to know much about toricelli s thoughts that s too bad if it is so one of root bernstein s services to science is that he has gone rooting about in pasteur s and fleming s and other people s notes and has discovered some surprising clues about their motivations pasteur never publicly admitted his plan to create mirror image life but the dreams are right there in his notebooks finally public after many years ready for anyone to read and i and my friends often have the most ridiculous reasons for pursuing results one of my best came because i was mad at a colleague for a poorly written claim i disproved the claim of course toricelli s case may be an example of a rarety where the fantasy not only motivates the experiment but turns out to be right in the end but my point is that this type of case is not a rarity in fact i was going to point to pasteur as yet another rather common example particularly the studies on spontaneous generation and fermentation i will readily concede that ridiculous reasons can play an important role in how scientists spend their time but one should not confuse motivation with methodology nor suppose that ridiculous reasons provide the impetus in the majority of cases based on relatively infrequent anecdotal evidence gary h merrill principal systems developer c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary nc sasghm theseus unx sas com mcnc sas sasghm
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what s the difference between an m d and a d o my wife and i are in the process of selecting a pediatrician for our first child due june th we interviewed a young doctor last week and were very impressed with her however i discovered that she is actually not an medical doctor m d but rather a doctor of osteopathy d o what s the difference i believe the pediatrician i went to for many years was a d o and he didn t seem different from any other doctor i ve seen over the years my dictionary says that osteopathy is a medical therapy that emphasizes manipulative techniques for correcting somatic abnormalities thought to cause disease and inhibit recovery jeez this sounds like chiropractic i remember getting shots and medicine from my pediatrician d o and don t remember any manipulative techniques perhaps someone could enlighten me as to the real practical difference between an m d and a d o also i m interesting in hearing any opinions on choosing a pediatrician who follows one or the other medical philosophy readers of sci med please respond directly to sbrenner attmail com i do not read this group regularly and probably won t see your response if you just post it here sorry for the cross posting but i m hoping there s some expertise here a t d h v a a n n k c s e scott d brenner at t consumer communications services sbrenner attmail com basking ridge new jersey
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re barbecued foods and health risk in article cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes this reminds me of the last graham kerr cooking show i saw today he smoked meat on the stovetop in a big pot he used a strange technique i d never seen before he took a big pot with lid and placed a tray in it made from aluminum foil the tray was about the size and shape of a typical coffee table ash tray made by crumpling a sheet of foil around the edges in the tray he placed a couple spoonfuls of brown sugar a similar quantity of brown rice he said any rice will do the contents of two teabags of earl grey tea and a few cloves on top of this was placed an ordinary aluminum basket type steamer with two chicken breasts in it the lid was put on and the whole assembly went on the stovetop at high heat for or minutes later he removed what looked like smoked chicken breasts what surprises and concerns me are no wood chips where does the smoke flavor come from about or years ago i remember hearing that carmel color obtained by caramelizing sugar a common coloring and flavoring agent had been found to be carcinogenic i believe they injected it under the skin of rats or something if the results were conclusive caramel color would not be legal in the u s yet it is still being used was the initial research result found to be incorrect or what about or years ago i remember earl grey tea being implicated as carcinogenic because it contains oil of bergamot an extract from the skin of a type of citrus fruit does anyone know whatever happened with that story if it were carcinogenic earl grey tea could not have it as an additive yet it apparently continues to do so wrt natural wood smoke i ve smoking a duck right now as it happens i ve noticed that a heavily smoked food item will have an unpleasant tangy taste when eaten directly out of the smoker if the smoke has only recently stopped flowing i find the best taste to be had by using dry wood chips getting lots of smoke right up at the beginning of the cooking process then slowly barbequing for hours and hours without adding additional wood chips my theory is that the unpleasant tangy molecules are low molecular weight stuff like terpenes and that the smoky flavor molecules are some sort of larger molecule more similar to tar the long barbeque time after the initial intensive smoke drives off the low molecular weight stuff just leaving the flavor behind does anyone know if my theory is correct i also remember hearing that the combustion products of fat dripping on the charcoal and burning are carcinogenic for that reason and because it covers the product with soot and some unpleasant tanginess i only grill non drippy meats like prawns directly over hot coals i do stuff like this duck by indirect heat i have a long rectangular weber and i put the coals at one end and the meat at the other end the fat drops directly on the floor below the meat and next time i use the barbeque i make the fire in that end to burn off the fat and help ignite the coals and yet another reason i ve heard not to smoke or barbeque meat is that smoked cured meat like pork sausage and bacon contains nitrosamines which are carcinogenic i m pretty sure this claim actually has some standing don t know about the others an amusing incident i recall was the duncan hines scandal when it was discovered that the people who make duncan hines cake mix were putting a lot of ethylene dibromide edb into the cake mix to suppress weevils this is a fumigant which is known to be carcinogenic the guy who represented the company in the press conference defended himself by saying that the risk from eating duncan hines products every day for a year would be equal to the cancer risk from eating two charcoal broiled steaks what a great analogy when i first heard that my immediate reaction was we should make that a standard unit one charcoal broiled steak would be equivalent to duncans i don t understand the assumption that because something is found to be carcinogenic that it would not be legal in the u s i think that naturally occuring substances excluding controlled substances are pretty much unregulated in terms of their use as food food additives or other consumption it s only when the chemists concoct sp an ingredient that it falls under fda regulations otherwise if they really looked closely they would find a reason to ban almost everything how in the world do you suppose it s legal to consume tobacco products which probably should be banned dave allen space science engr ctr uw madison
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re placebo effects in article aa calcom socal com daniel prince f n z calcom socal com daniel prince writes is there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a medicine that he she sees improvement where the is none or sees more improvement than there is if so what is this effect called is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor doesn t believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than there is what would this effect be called have these effects ever been studied how common are these effects thank you in advance for all replies these effects are a very real concern in conducting studies of new treatments researchers try to limit this kind of effect by performing studies that are blind in various ways some of these are o the subjects of the study do not know whether they receive a placebo or the test treatment i e whether they are in the control group or the test group o those administering the treatment do not know which subjects receive a placebo or the test treatment o those evaluating individual results do not know which subjects receive a placebo or the test treatment obviously at the point at which the data is analyzed one has to differentiate the test group from the control group but the analysis is quasi public the researcher describes it and presents the data on which it is based so that others can verify it it is worth noting that in biological studies where the subjects are animals such as mice there were many cases of skewed results because those who performed the study did not blind themselves it is not considered so important to make mice more ignorant than they already are though it is important that in all respects except the one tested the control and test groups are treated alike russell
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re eye dominance in article c e g world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes is there a right eye dominance eyedness as there is an overall right handedness in the population i mean do most people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the other if so what kinds of percentages can be attached to this there is eye dominance same as handedness and usually for the same side it has nothing to do with refractive error however gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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re surgery of damaged tendons and median nerve in article bhatt apr wesley src honeywell com bhatt src honeywell com writes i thought i will explore the net wisdom with the following questions is there any better way to control the pain than what the surgeon suggested how long will such pain last will the pain recur in the future no one can answer that if she gets reflex sympathetic dystrophy it could last forever just hope she does not most don t do damaged partially cut tendons heal completely and is all of the finger strength regained how long does it take for the complete healing process sometimes they do and sometimes they don t you just have to do the best job you can reattaching and hope you should know in a few months gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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re food related seizures in article apr spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes newsgroups sci med path news larc nasa gov saimiri primate wisc edu zaphod mps ohio state edu uwm edu cs utexas edu uunet think com hsdndev spdcc dyer from dyer spdcc com steve dyer organization s p dyer computer consulting cambridge ma references uupcb factory com cup portal com date sat apr gmt lines in article cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes i remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring from the diet the theory which was backed up by interesting anecdotal results is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these chemicals than other people i don t remember any connection being made with seizures but it certainly couldn t hurt to try an all natural diet yeah the feingold diet is a load of crap children diagnosed with add who are placed on this diet show no improvement in their intellectual and social skills which in fact continue to decline of course the parents who are enthusiastic about this approach lap it up at the expense of their children s development so much for the value of interesting anecdotal results people will believe anything if they want to steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m c spdcc dyer thanks for all the interest in this problem of mine i don t think it is a reaction to sugar or junk food per se since kathryn has never shown any signs of hyperactivity or changes in behavior in response to food she has always been very calm and dare i say a neat smart kid the fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made by kellog s makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to something in the coating or the cereals of the four of us in our immediate family kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever running nose itchy eyes etc but we have a lot of allergies in our family history including some weird food allergies nuts mushrooms anyway our next trip is to an endocrinologist to check out the body chemistry but so far no more sugar coated cereals and no more seizures either every day that goes by without one makes me heave a sigh of relief thanks again sharon paulson s s paulson larc nasa gov nasa langley research center bldg d mailstop work hampton virginia home
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re organ donation and transplantation fact sheet in article apr lmpsbbs comm mot com dougb ecs comm mot com writes my wife cannot donate blood because she has been to a malarial region in the past three years in fact she tried to have her bone marrow typed and they wouldn t even do that why the fda i believe rules say no blood or blood products donations from anyone who has been in a malarial area for years i was a platelet donor until my thailand trip and my blood bank was very disappointed to find out they couldn t use me for years when the secretary of state asked me if i wanted to donate my organs i said no because i figured that no one would want them given my history was i correct not necessarily the same rules may not apply to organ donation as to blood donation in fact i m sure they don t gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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re mississippi river water and catfish safe in article apr zeus calpoly edu dfield flute calpoly edu infospunj dan field writes i ve been invited to spend a couple weeks this summer rafting down the mississippi my journey partners want to live off of river water and catfish along the route should i have any concerns about pollution or health risks in doing this you d have to purify the river water first i m not sure how practical that is with the mississippi you d better check with health agencies along the way to see if there are toxic chemicals in the river if it is just microorganisms those can be filtered or killed but you may need activated charcoal or other means to purify from chemicals better be same than sorry obviously drinking the river without processing it is likely to make you sick from bacteria and parasites gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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re ob gyn residency in article apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye writes i believe it is illegal for a residency to discriminate against fmgs i is that true i know some that won t even interview fmgs most programs discriminate in that given an fmg equally qualified as an american they will take the american what rights do they actually have does it matter if they are us citizens most are not we have had good luck with fmgs and bad luck some of our very best residents have been fmgs also our very worst as it turns out the worst fmgs are often us citizens that studied in off shore medical schools of the residents fired for incompetence in the years i ve been here in my department all have been fmgs were us citizens who studied in guadalajara was a us citizen but was trained in the soviet union and one was philipina unfortunately all are now practicing medicine somewhere of them in neurology after having been picked up by other programs in psychiatry and the other in emergency medicine gordon banks n jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon
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liver spots what causes those little brown spots on older people s hands are they called liver spots because they re sort of liver colored or do they indicate some actual liver dysfunction die welt ist alles was zerfall ist peter cash apologies to ludwig wittgenstein cash convex com
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re the andromeda strain in article c pvp l chinet chi il us dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung writes just had the opportunity to watch this flick on a e some years since i saw it last wow the wwii channel did something not wwii i was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film for handling infectious diseases and similar toxic substances clearly they faked a lot of the computer robotic technology certainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction itself let alone the idea of a space germ the graphics capabilities of the computers were very faked for movie audiences who have not ability or patience with numbers the book was more realistic in that respect in all respects actually the robotics are still out of range but not impossible quite coincidentally actually this is what got me wanted to see the movie again i watched a segment on the otherwise awful how d they do that dealing with a disease researcher at the cdc s top lab there was description of the elaborate security measures taken so that building will never be cracked so to speak by man or nature short of deliberate bombing from the air perhaps and the researchers used spacesuits similar to that in the film sf and i ve always wondered how crichton escapes this classification is usually ahead of science in both prediction and precaution nasa s decontaimination processes were supposedly taken to prevent sf story disasters i mean nasa scientists were often sf readers and sometimes writers and felt pre warned by their reading i m curious what people think about this film short of silly is such a facility technically feasible today i think the film still holds up among the best of sf films but that isn t saying a whole lot as far as the plot and the crystalline structure that is not life as we know it that s a whole nother argument for rec arts sf tech or something yep
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re eumemics was eugenics probably within years it will be possible to disassemble and re assemble our bodies at the molecular level not only will flawless cosmetic surgery be possible but flawless cosmetic psychosurgery what will it be like to store all the prices of shelf priced bar coded goods in your head and catch all the errors they make in the store s favor at safeway what will it be like to mentally edit and spell check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling vacation time share options you are absolutely daft no flame required you lack a brain sic memes are the basic units of culture as opposed to genes which are the units of genetics well at least you re educated it seems but give credit where credit is due to richard dawkin s the meme is a meme he invented zone
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hernia a bit more than a year ago a hernia in my right groin was discovered it had produced a dull pain in that area the hernia was repaired using the least intrusive orthoscopic method and a plug and patch the doctor considered the procedure a success a few months later the same pain returned the doctor said that he could find nothing wrong in the area of the hernia repair now the pain occurs more often my gp couldn t identify any specific problem the surgen who performed the original procedure now says that yes there is a new hernia in the same area and he said that he has to cut into the area for the repair this time my question to the net is there a nonintrusive method to determine if in fact there is a hernia or if the pain is from something else steve heffner
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candida albicans what is it someone i know has recently been diagnosed as having candida albicans a disease about which i can find no information apparently it has something to do with the body s production of yeast while at the same time being highly allergic to yeast can anyone out there tell me any more about it thanks david partain davpa ida liu se ida university of link oping work phone s link oping sweden telefax
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re eye dominance in article pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article c e g world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes is there a right eye dominance eyedness as there is an overall right handedness in the population i mean do most people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the other if so what kinds of percentages can be attached to this there is eye dominance same as handedness and usually for the same side it has nothing to do with refractive error however i recall reading seeing that former baseball star chris chambliss hitting abilities were in part attributed to a combination of left handedness right eye dominance
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re barbecued foods and health risk in article apr clpd kodak com rich young young serum kodak com writes stuff deleted have to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time i have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions no matter how much i eat it still seems realistic don mackie his opinion
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re quality control in medicine in article blue cis pitt edu kenneth gilbert kxgst pitt edu writes situation qa activities are a routine part of every hospital s administrative function and are required by accreditation agencies there are even entire publications devoted to qa issues indeed i spend about of my time dealing with quality stuff it is a hot number two journals worth looking at are quality review bulletin pub joint commission on accreditation of healthcare organizations one renaissance boulevard oakbrook terrace il quality in health care bmj publishing group box no b kennebunkport me don mackie his opinions um anesthesiology will disavow
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re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition i think that part of the problem is that i have proposed a definition of science that i intended to be interpreted broadly and that lee lady has interpreted fairly narrowly my definition is this science is the investigation of the empirical that avoids mistakes in reasoning and methodology discovered from previous work lee lady writes i don t think that science should be defined in a way that some of the activities that lead to really important science namely thinking and informal exploration are not recognized as scientific work unless one classifies thinking and informal exploration as a mistake they fall under my definition i hope no one would consider speculation thinking and informal exploration as unscientific in article c nasf mh news hawaii edu lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee lady writes seriously i m not sure whether i misjudged you or not in one respect i still have a major problem though with your insistence that science is mainly about avoiding mistakes here is where i think we are talking at cross purposes it is not clear to me that the kind of definition i have proposed should be taken as describing what science is mainly about consider for example a definition of invertebrates as all animals lacking a backbone this fairly tells what is an invertebrate and what is not an invertebrate but it hardly tells you what invertebrates are all about one can read this definition and still not know that of all animal species are invertebrates that invertebrates possess a remarkably broad range of form that some invertebrate groups such as insects and nematodes are ubiquitous in all ecosystems etc in short knowing the definition of invertebrates does not tell one what they are mainly about the misunderstanding here is my fault i did not give sufficient context for people to understand my proposed definition okay so let s see if we agree on this first of all there are degrees of certainty it might be appropriate for instance to demand carefully controlled trials before we accept as absolute scientific truth to the extent that there is any such thing the effectiveness of a certain treatment on the other hand highly favorable clinical experience even if uncontrolled can be adequate to justify a preliminary judgement that a treatment is useful secondly it makes sense to be more tolerant in our standards of evidence for a pronounced effect than for one that is marginal i agree on both counts as an example of the second it would only take a few cases of curing rabies to convince most veterinarians that a treatment was effective despite a lack of controls as to the first i do not think it is useful to talk about absolute scientific truth i think it is more useful to talk about the kinds of evidence that various claims have and the kinds of evidence in particular fields that in the past have proven faulty or reliable the latter is obviously a matter of degree and in each field practitioners try to discover the relevance of different kinds of evidence one of the primary mistakes that marks the advocacy of an idea as psuedo science is that the advocacy lacks any sense of proportion regarding the kinds of evidence related to the proposed claim the kinds of evidence that are actually relevant to it and the historical reasons in the field that certain kinds of evidence are given more weight than others it is perfectly alright to speculate i have read quite a few refereed papers that speculated left and right but the authors were careful to identify the notions as speculative to list what little evidence was presently available for them and to describe how research could proceed to either put the notion on more firm footing or to uncover its problems often what distinguishes whether a paper of this sort passes muster is the thoughtfulness with which the author sets the context and paves the way for future work it is in this area that many proponents of speculative ideas fail the folks over in sci psychology have a hundred and one excuses not to make this simple test they claim that only an elaborate outcome study will be satisfactory a study of the sort that nlp practitioners many of whom make a barely marginal living from their practice can ill afford to do most of them are also just plain not interested because the whole idea seems frivolous and since they re not part of the scientific establishment they have no tangible rewards to gain from scientific acceptance i think a lot of scientists steer away from things that deserving or not garner a patina of kookiness when proponents of some practice see no value in more careful investigation of that practice that sets alarms ringing in many researchers minds this is unfortunate because there is undoubtedly some intersection between things that are worth investigating and things that are advocated by those who seem careless or unreasonable in their advocacy on the other hand i can understand why many scientists would just as soon select other directions for research as gordon banks has pointed out no one wants to become this generation s rhine one academic in sci psychology said that it would be completely unscientific for him to test the phobia cure since it hasn t been described in a scientific journal i think this is absurd actually at least one fairly careful academic study has been done with favorable results but it s apparently not acceptable because it s a doctoral dissertation and not published in a refereed journal i wonder why the results were not published in my field dissertation results are typically summarized in papers that are submitted to journals often the papers are accepted for publication before the dissertation is finished this certainly eases one s defense finally i hope lee lady will forgive me from commenting either on nlp or the discussion of it in sci psychology i know little about either and so have nothing to offer russell
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re too many mris in article apr kestrel edu king reasoning com dick king writes i recall reading somewhere during my youth in some science popularization book that whyle isotope changes don t normally affect chemistry a consumption of only heavy water would be fatal and that seeds watered only with heavy water do not sprout does anyone know about this i also heard this i always thought it might make a good eposide of columbo for someone to be poisoned with heavy water it wouldn t show up in any chemical test
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the reseaching of starvation i am very interested in investigations of starvation for improving health i am the young russian reseacher and have highest medical education and expierence in reseach work in biological field and would like to work on this problem can anybody send me the adresses of the hospitals or medical centers where scientific problems of human starvation for the health are investigated also i would like to set scientific contacts with colleagues who deals with investigations in this field i would be very appreciated anyone reply me pls contact by post russia moscow region puschino p o box for kravchenko n or by e mail kutuzova venus iteb serpukhov su thank you advance natalja kravchenko
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re is msg sensitivity superstition in article apr spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article apr cunews carleton ca wcsbeau alfred carleton ca opirg writes there has been no hard info provided about msg making people ill that s the point after all why don t you just look it up in the merk or check out the medical dictionary cite which a doctor mentioned earlier in this thread that s because these peer reviewed studies are not addressing the effects of msg in people they re looking at animal models you can t walk away from this and start ranting about gloom and doom as if there were any documented deleterious health effects demonstrated in humans note that i wouldn t have any argument with a statement like noting that animal administration has pro duced the following blah blah we must be careful about its use in humans this is precisely not what you said among others see olney s excitotoxic food aditives relevance of animal studies to human safety neurobehav toxicol teratol vol i m sure peta would love to hear your arguments tests have been done on rhesus monkeys as well i have never seen a study where the mode of administration was intra ventricular the glu and asp were administered orally some studies used iv and sc intra ventricular is not a normal admin method for food tox studies for obvious reasons you must not have read the peer reviewed works that i referred to or you would never have come up with this brain injection bunk it most certainly is for neurotoxicology you know studies of glutamate involve more than food science whose talking about food science what is this comment supposed to mean neurotoxicology and tratology brain research nature progress in brain research all fine food science journals pardon me but where are you getting this from have you read the journals have you done a thorough literature search so point us to the studies in humans please i m familiar with the literature and i ve never seen any which relate at all to olney s work in animals and the effects of glutamate on neurons then you would know that olney himself has casually referred to chinese restaurant syndrome in a few articles why don t you point us to some studies maybe then this exchange could be productive the point is exceeding the window of course they re amino acids note that people with pku cannot tolerate any phenylalanine well actually they have to tolerate some phenylalanine it s a essential amino acid they just try to get as little as is healthy without producing dangerous levels of phenylalanine and its metabolites in the blood they re unable to metabolise it olney s research compared infant human diets specifically the amount of freely available glu in mother s milk versus commercial baby foods vs typical lunch items from the standard american diet such as packaged soup mixes he found that one could exceed the projected safety margin for infant humans by at least four fold in a single meal of processed foods mother s milk was well below the effective dose goodness i m not saying that it s good to feed infants a lot of glutamate supplemented foods it s just that this projected safety margin is a construct derived from animal models and given that you can prove anything you like we re talking prudent policy in infant nutrition here yet you re misrepresenting it as received wisdom who said anything about received wisdom there is no question that orally administered doses of msg are capable of destroying nearly all neurons in the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus and the median eminence these areas are responsible for the production of hormones critical to normal neuroendocrine function and the normal development of the vertabrate organism humans are vertebrates now what pray tell do you think will happen when the area of the brain necessary for the normal rhythm of gonadotropin release is missing are you trying to say that humans have no need of their pituitary anh and me of that part of the brain that is responsible for controlling the realease albeit indirectly of estradiol and testosterone how do you expect anyone to do the studies on this it s unethical to sacrifice humans to check out what effects chronic acute etc doses of these compounds are having on the brain tissue in humans the food industry knows this that s why the animal model is used in medicine and psych if you re talking about straight sensitivity it would be useful to define the term there are plenty of studies on psychoneuroimmunology showing the link between attitude and physiology i suspect we may be arguing about separate things only adult sensitivities you and late occuring sequelae of childhood ingestion and its implication for adults me certainly the doses for excitotoxicity in adults are considerably larger than for the young but the additivity of glu and asp and their copious and increased presence in modern processed foods jointly and their hidden presence in hvp necessitates extreme caution why would anyone want to eat compounds which have been shown to markedly perturb the endocrine system in adults the main point is blood levels attained and oral doses would likely have to be greater than sc between who over what i would be most interested in seeing you provide peer reviewed non food industry funded citations to articles disputing that msg has no effects whatsoever you mean asserting you re being intellectually dishonest or just plain confused because you re conflating reports which do not necessarily have anything to do with each other olney s reports would argue a potential for problems in human infants but that s not to say that this says anything whatsoever about the use of msg in most foods nor does he provide any studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects for obvious reasons it says nothing about msg s contribtion to the phenomenon of the chinese restaurant syndrome it says nothing about the frequent inability to replicate anecdotal reports of msg sensitivity in the lab olney s work provides a putative causal mechanism for some sensitivities terry epelbaum and martin have shown that orally administered msg causes changes in normal gonadotropic hormone fluctutations in adults glu also was found to induce immediate and persistant supression of rhythmic gh secretion and to induce rapid and transient release of prolactin in adults chronically exposed to msg gh is responsible not only for control of growth during development but also converts glycogen into glucose could this be the cause of headaches i don t know dyer ursa major spdcc com hmm com why am i not surprised dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca probably one of the dumber remarks you ve made if you had read olney s review article especially the remarks i already quoted in an earlier post you would know to what i was alluding may i ask exactly for whom you do computer consulting
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