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I wonder if Macron stays this way (this statement, G7, etc.) or if it's just grandstanding for the coming elections. Edit: Why the downvotes? It's a legit question. Politicians tend to increase their profile before elections.
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>Le Pen listed the veils some Muslim women wear, mosques and prayer in the streets of France as unacceptable cultural dangers **"no French person...attached to his dignity can accept."** Man, she's really going all-out on these, isn't she?
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Am I the only one who wishes Le Pen would win FIRST TURN? I just have a horrible feeling that if it's Macron who wins many people will be like "ok, now he is gonna beat her in the second round for sure" and not vote or even worse "I can safely protest-vote for Le Pen" And then at 2nd May shock and surprise because... TAM-DAM-DAM-PAM-PAM Le Pen 51-49 Macron Lets welcome Madamė President Le Pen...
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This isn't about having different issues. Le Pen's platform is extremely violent. Advocating for that violent platform should not be met with kindness. It doesn't deserve it. You are privileged enough that you will not be affected by this violence but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Your apologia is itself terrorism.
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[tfw your friend (this friend does have shitposting privileges at BE btw) doesn't believe Macron is a Neoliberal](https://imgur.com/a/ykRmN)
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The majority of the country might vote Le Pen. Elsewhere, it has already voted for people like Le Pen. Do you mean that majority, or some other one?
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I just watched /r/Le_Pen what is that post about Macron having a bank(?) about?
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I got banned for saying one of their opinions is why Macron won.
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Emmanuel Macron needs to offer jobs to the American people that he wants to move to France. He should also offer to pay their moving expenses. Give them some incentive to move. He might get some takers.
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Heheheheheheh i base my political worldview in popular culture references :---------D le pen is voldemort and macron is harry potter
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Because they relish the opportunity to insult Muslims and they like Le Pen.
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You should. You guys need to see how weak and low energy Donny "Sausage Fingers" Trump is. Cucked by the young bull, Macron.
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Complete vagueness. Platitudes won't help. Talking about the roots causes of the issues will. > The vast majority of Londoners are happy to live with a diverse mix of people. You seem oblivious to what is actually happening in Europe. People like you feed the rise of people like Le Pen. Most people disagree with you and blocking your ears won't help. Honest dialogue will. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/most-europeans-want-muslim-ban-immigration-control-middle-east-countries-syria-iran-iraq-poll-a7567301.html
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This subreddit has made me both sassy, and upon seeing pics of macron even more bisexual
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> Well, thank god for that. We have to thank the French voters for soundly rejecting Le Pen's simplistic demagoguery.
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You mean like how Trump endorse Le Pen. I don't understand how you can proven wrong so much in one thread yet still think you're right about what you're saying
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> People blame Macron for running alone in that category but who's there to fill that gap except for him? no one. That plus the rest of the left is a bit too much leftist for me. Well I don't expect the left to fill a niche for a center-right liberal.
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Well, the Spurs are cool, at least. Le Pen, on the other hand...
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yeah, i'd expect them too against le pen. hell, id expect them to support a frog against Le Pen.
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Regular muslims yes. Islamist terrorists on the other hand would prefer Le Pen so they can use that in their propaganda.
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Le Pen is not an under dog. Your knowledge of French politics is weak.
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I wish it was so clear and ideal but what I recall of France was a country tired of it's massive North African colonial immigration. "Les chleux" were often cited as a huge problem. Le Pen's success in the presidency would be as much a disaster as Trump has been in the US yet there he is, so I say spare no efforts because the danger is real.
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"Leave will lose" "Trump will lose" "Le Pen will lose" You think repeating it often enough will make it happen? ;-)
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Not to mention Le Pen's cult accusing the EU of actively working to take out their idol. News flash: Europe knows when it sees a fascist, unlike the idiots around me in Texas...
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It may change if Macron or Fillon are elected, since they both want to liberalise France's labour code which favours job security over full employment and benefits older, entrenched workers over young people.
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I think this has more to do with Germany and France saying they don't need the U.S. anymore to fight these battles, that they will do this, that they will defend people if need be. It's no accident that Macron has said this so closely to Merkel declaring that Europe can no longer rely on Trump's America.
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Hamon supporters would split as well. A lot of them would rather vote Macron than Mélenchon.
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So he really wants to restrict the four freedoms of the single market? I can kind of understand restricting outside access, but inside? Macron has lost my support.
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OK, so now if Le Pen wins, maybe Italy should send some little green men to organise a referendum in "Costa Azzurra" and finish what Garibaldi started.
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Depends on your priorities and vulnerabilities I guess. Say you're on benefits or you're a low wage public servant: voting for Fillon is pushing a self-destruct button. You usually don't do that over some moral qualms. Now you're some well-paid designer, artist, engineer... with leftist views: you're shocked by the socio-economic platform of Fillon but you will personally be ok, and on the other hand you're horrified by the morals of the FN, for you the choice is clear.
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He didn't proposed Le pen as a solution for his consultation. Don't really know what to think about it.
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>He's a conservative, sure, but conservative views are valid political views to have. If people don't want that kind of a conservative, they'll vote against him, if they do want him, they'll vote for him. No one is contesting that? You seem to contesthowever that being pro-Le Pen is a valid view to have.
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For French standards Macron's reforms (once derided as Anglo-Saxon evil by the so-called right-wing Chirac) would be revolutionary.
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Complains about people telling us whom to vote for Tells us to vote for le pen. Is that t_d i smell?
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Because if you look at overall homicide rate it's statistically insignificant. Not to mention that macron wants to increase police funding. Further take the number of doctors in france who were migrants, assume that they're 1/3 the number in germany, which has 1500. Assume each one saves 1 life per week ( highly conservative number but w/ever) Thats 25k lives saved per year, which is more than the number who died from terrorism by multiple orders of magnitude. Congrats, banning migrants caused several thousand people to die.
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> In this gif, Le Pen is making fun of Macron by mocking him. In one of his speeches, he had spoken badly about Front National supporters members/activists, whom he sees as cowards and haters (I'm painting in broad strokes here). Would you say...deplorables?
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Why are people downvoting you? Macron is the best option imo but that doesn't mean the world doesn't have to do something about growing inequality.
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Thats a strawman. Nobody is claiming that nobody in france supports Le Pen. Theyre saying that they think the russians are influenving things online. Considering the links between Le Pen and Russia, the pro-Russian stances she has (like on crimea) and the fact that Russia would love to see the EU crumble, then i dont think its too far fetched to say theyre using bots and shills. Edit: and saying its just the left that talk about shills is wrong. For example alot of trump supporters accussed people of being shills (e.g. CTR shills) during the election
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I'd say if we were to compare him to other leaders he's like fillon, minus the corruption, ass backwardness, etc.... If I were to grade him, he gets a solid B/B+
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Populism can be fine. Authoritarian, aggressive, aimlessly xenophobic, dumbed-down, deliberately unrealistic and ultimately demagogic populism is bad for democracy. That's what Le Pen and your rambling con man in the US are.
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Farage and Le Pen are ultra-nationalist loonies. They fucking hate immigrants and immigration. Anything else is flexible.
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Le Pen, a nationalist, would be fine with parts of her nation being annexed?
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Is France sexist because Le Pen lost or did Le Pen lose because France is sexist? Or is it neither of those reasons? what if her gender had nothing to do with it.....
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Oh thank god. Macron is maybe not a perfect candidate, but he is SO MUCH BETTER than Le Pen. He deserves a chance now, and I wish him (and us) good luck.
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The best part is when Macron pointed flaws in this system in a several countries market she simply said that she will convince all the other countries of the EU to have their own money as well...
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Ownership is consubstantial to slavery. It's like saying, "if you take out the 'freedom from state' aspect of libertarianism". I understand the need for strong words but these kind of reasoning is as stupid than the 'Macron is fascist' bit.
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You don't want Mr Macron as lifetime ruler? Why do you hate the global poor?
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Le Pen is economically very leftist. Just that those benefits should be for ethnic French only...
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You can downvote all you want the man, its actually true... Though it doesn't change at all the way I perceive Macron.
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The simplest way to figure: Are you Pro-Trump or Anti-Trump in regards to his rhetoric? Le Pen was considered the female Trump of the French election (nationalism, anti-islam, anti-immigrant, opting out of the EU, etc.). If that's what you're into you probably wouldnt have wanted Macron to win. If not, now's the time to be happy.
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Le Pen can bring back coal jobs and create many jobs for youth just like Trump did.
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> "Macron is basically the same as Le Pen !" No it's not. It's impressive how dumb they have to be to say such things, we're talking about at worst "5 years of the same things as we did for decades" with Macron as opposed to "5 years of discrimination, decrease of funding for education healthcare, increase of funding for security, army, hatred of freedom of speech, hatred of journaists, fake news, denying real numbers, homophobia, xenophobia, christian conservatism etc". Sounds awfully familiar...
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How about Macrons email leaks, where forged emails were planted? By any standard, forgeries are not protected speech. Putin is not a traitor because he's not french, and he's not a criminal because our laws aren't advanced enough yet to bring him down
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Their marriage seems to have worked, they're still together. Its not for others to choose your partner in life. He doesn't look like a wimp! Brigette Macron is Simply a Gorgeous woman 💖💕💞
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If it's so liberal why is it that in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, homosexuality is punishable by STONING? how is that liberal in any sense? Le pen isn't making them instate those policies, they're doing them on their own.
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While you are quite right on your first part (*fascist ideology has nothing to do with being a genocidal warmonger*), the second one (*Le Pen's ideology is a natural 21st century evolution of fascism*) is [debatable](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism). Me, I prefer to keep it to the basics -- which in the very first place means corporatism (it's *fascio* after all) and all the subsequent nuances (e.g., government's sectoral management -- actual management, not only regulating -- of everything, from economy to family matters). And, AFAIK, Le Pen has very little to do with it.
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Scandals will hurt him, but unless he's endited he probably won't drop out. He's not dead yet, but we'll see. Also, considering Le PS is now split between the independent Macron and their own Hamon, and Mélenchon is his own thing, parties will matter a lot less this go around. But it's really too early to know anything given the craze of the election so far.
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Looks fine to me... McDonalds is delicious. As is Halal kebab. If McDonalds and Halal Kebab is taking over from shitty niche local cuisine that's an "acquired taste" then obviously the McDonalds and Kekbab owners are stronger and deserve to be there more... And I'd rather eat McDonald's and a Kebab that frog's legs and snails, anyway. "French Culture" isn't exactly as great and "worthy of defending" as Le Pen would have you believe...
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Something [like this](https://worldelectionforecast.com/france-2017/)? Gives a slightly lower chance of a Macron victory.
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Enculez Vous Madame Le Pen! Vive le France, Vive la Republic!
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Le Pen's nationalism coupled with racism and anti-semitism, and her desire to realign French interests to match Putin's is hardly Gaullist.
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RT and Sputniknews doesn't need to be there for something to come up with a "news" story about it. Now they can just "report" on Macron without the hassle of pretending to have any kind of objectivity.
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Can you show me examples of Le Pen saying racist shit?
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I remember that after Fillon beat Juppe, I was freaking out about Fillon v. Le pen...but then the N E O L I B E R A L SURGE happened and here we are! Based mr macaroon has come so far against the odds! The revenge of the neoliberals is at hand! THANK MR MARCON GLOBALIST SHILLS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR TENDIES! EN MARCHE!
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In case someone is still here wondering why everyone is rejoicing at Emmanuel Macrons win. The opponent, Marine Le Pen, is the closest thing to a female Hitler in European politics.
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Do i look like a fucking Pro EU ? I am french btw. Static Le Pen is racist isn't to debate, theres 10 picture of her with neo nazis, old nazis and just pure racist old people etc But is hate the solution ever ? I say no. You can't blame people for their action, you can only blame the architecture that allow people to act so.
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thank god he won! Le Pen is one batshit crazy candidate
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I would certainly take Macron over Le Pen, but didn't he get into a bit of a scandal the other day with his wife? I wonder if that's affecting his polling yet.
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I'm French and what corruption scandal are you talking about ? There is no such thing at the moment related to Macron.
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I think he meant that even if Macron is elected, he doesn't have a party to support him. So he will have to appoint a PM in from another party to rule. As Giscard did with Chirac.
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France has let its poor by the wayside. Don't act like Macron the wealth banker or Fillon give the sweat off their taint for them if they thought hurting thier Euro portfolio. Epic wealth inequality and your going on about French values? Woah, now that's hypocrisy.
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I never said Macron is a social liberal. Social Liberalism, by its defintion, is on the left of the political sprectrum of Europe. You are mixing economic and political spectrums. Also, what are you arguing? You are ranting when all I said is that a left leaning news source will naturally see a centrist as a conservative.
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[You don't keep up with the news huh, that's okay though.](http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/07/macron-email-leaks-far-right-wikileaks-twitter-bots.html) Wikileaks confirmed fake emails were real. Enough said [Also, if you wanna know how I know they're fake, Macron faked them purposefully.](http://www.wired.co.uk/article/france-election-macron-email-hack)
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With those kinds of results I hope Macron does a Louis-Napoléon(sans the starting an unnecessary war with Prussia thing).
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> it's definitely the closest France has ever come to an extremist government Well I wouldn't say [that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France) :) As you can see, the most favorable scenario for Le Pen is not Mélenchon, but Fillon. Le Pen can acquire many of Mélenchon's voters, as they have very similar propositions regarding Europe, the economy and with their common anti-system vibe.
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We have gone through this before.   Macron approval rating is somewhere between 45% and 62%. Let's look at this:   [https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2016/12/Hollande_Decnew.jpg&w=1484](https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2016/12/Hollande_Decnew.jpg&w=1484)
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Possibly, but that's a subjective call *and* would understandably upset Trump because he sees himself as the most important one in that group. The etiquette gives Macron a somewhat objective "that's how it should be done" excuse. Either way, Trump and his minions would be offended over nothing, but the etiquette makes it objectively so.
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>[French President Emmanuel Macron will break with tradition and not give a news conference on Bastille Day because his "complex thoughts" may prove too much for journalists](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40452785) jesus he really is this sub personified
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> "Macron is a ‘gay psychopath" Finally, a politician that represents me.
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They're saying it's creepy that Macron and his step son are similar in age when their god emperor's wife is 7-8 years older than his oldest child.
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"No Trump won because Hillary was such a corrupt evil candidate, the leftists would vote for anyone who wasn't so evil and corrupt" - A Bernie Bro about to defend his not voting for Macron
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I assume so. Probably the right wingers closer to center will vote for Macron.
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It seems like there is at least some public support towards these kinds of liberalization policies in France at the moment. How else to explain the success of Fillon in the primary and now Macron?
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My non-existent childrens are going to be hard to kill. It really shows how little you know of the world if you really believe that Le Pen winning would have made us less likely of being a terrorist's target.
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Yes, and this will happen here again, muting Le Pens chances as I have just described. I dont say she is out of the game, I am not that arrogant, I just say, that I wouldnt bet on her (but I am no broker and I usually dont bet :D )
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> But if you have a person who literally has a reputation for being anti-Islamic, such as Le Pen More lies. She is not Anti-Islamic. The images did not depict a Muslim Family having dinner. The pictures depict ISIS fighters holding up the severed heads of men who have been decapitated. These actions were done in the name of Islam, which is why we call them Radical Islamic Terrorists. Marine Le Pen is Anti-Terrorism, esp. Anti-Radical-Islamic-Terrorism, as we should all be. But moreso, Marine Le Pen is PRO FRANCE and PRO WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
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Emo Philips explained it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDmeqSzvIFs The deepest hatred of the smallest differences. The same reason islamists talk about hating "christians" and "crusaders", but the BIGGEST hatred is always those following a slightly different brand of Islam. Le Pen is a reactionary, theocratic bigot - so naturally the biggest enemy is the next closest reactionary, theocratic bigot group.
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You're talking shit. Just a Le Pen fascist supporter making up bullshit.
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And so what if they are culturally Chinese or Native American? What does that even matter?? What does that have to do with Le Pen wanting to close French regional schools? So they might identify primarily as Catalan, and secondarily as French. I still don't see why they shouldn't be able to learn Catalan, Basque, Corsican, etc. in schools. They are still French people with all the rights that that should entail. And it seems you wont answer why *you do* either.
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Le Pen originally took 10 mil euros from FCRB and more recently requested a loan of 27 mil euros. Though I would guess the number is a lot less. Probably a few grand.
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Wow. I can't believe Le Pen said "Leave or Die". Stay safe.
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~~This is some false equivalence nonsense.~~ ~~There's no comparing Le Pen and Sanders. Bernie's, "praise for dictators" is a stretch, Le Pen's is not. And Bernie's brand of protectionism does not stoke xenophobia and racism like Le Pen does.~~
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>French far-right presidential candidate Marine Le Pen is “temporarily” stepping down as leader of the National Front party. Even if she left the party it would only show her true colors. An absolute populist, hypocritical, fearmongering, untrustworthy and totally corrupt. Oh, also on Putin's payroll. I am hoping for the repetition of 2002. If she gets more than 30% I will be severely disappointed.
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Fraser wanted a kebab truck on every corner. He rescinded his Liberal Party membership once Abbott came in. Yes. Australia has a very liberal urban elite but go into the external suburbs and countryside, and it is very conservative. I'd say it is way more liberal than the USA but it lags behind Western Europe. Whitlam was one of the best. Hawke and Keating were really good as well. They were the Macron's of Australia. Left-leaning neoliberals who deregulated bits of the economy that had to be deregulated like Qantas and Commbank.
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While there is merit in increasing defense against the influx of artificially low-priced commodities (through PRC subsidization) Macron^TM seems a tad too aggressive about it
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Not French but I've been following this. The final round is probably going to be Macron against Le Pen, and Macron actually polls even better against her than Fillon.
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Proud to be french, and proud that Macron is our president. It will be a great 10 years.
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Macron: "You are evil and I will troll you" Trump: "Wanna bomb Syria?" Macron: "Hell Yeah!"
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The right in France is statist and there is the belief you need an authority figure to rule, which they can recognise in Melenchon.
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According to a French poll over 50% of French would feel great regret if EU was to disband while less than 20% would feel great relief. So it is an indicator. Interestingly though that the vast majority of Melenchon voters would feel regret if EU was to disband despite Melenchon being anti-EU. Also, just about less than 50% of FN voters would feel great relief if EU was to disband, some small fraction great regret, and rest indifferent.
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