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Not really, considering he's Hollande's natural successor. Same wine, brand new bottle.
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His tiny little fingers can't fit around the other side of Macron's hand, how adorable.
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Taxes yes, but not other important issues. All of the arbitrary guidelines of Maastricht treaty etc. Because of the very nature of EU free trade countries also cannot use any protectionist policies. If you are in the EZ your choices are even more limited. When Hollande got elected he said can't efficiently tax the rich because capital is mobile. Why is it so? Because EU lets it be mobile.
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People hate Fillon for sure, but they'll rather have him than her.
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I think 280 (2012) is a lot different than 400+ (theoretically). That said, I do agree that people tend to overestimate how popular and effective whatever their own visions of reform are though.
Macron's challenge will be pushing through reforms, without creating enough blowback to create someone to his (far left) that would undo his efforts.
Can he do it?
Dunno!
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neoliberal
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You couldn't be more wrong about being so confident about this person being "more wrong" Macron and Le Pen are neck and neck. This is a big factor in the election now. Deal with it.
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even if half go to MLP, Macron still wins the election.
Macron will win the 2nd round, the risk is that he doesn't get there.
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we will see, but I find him completely useless and politically impotent. like Hollande
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Le Pen is a national socialist. She does match better with our NPD (aka. our neo-nazi party).
The AFD is nationalistic aswell but they are also economically liberal.
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europe
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annotator01
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Did anybody press Le Pen on ties with Russia at all?
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Just read the article. It details LePen's campaign funds coming directly from a Russian Oligarch. It's not that some people don't like Le Pen and will do anything to discredit her, this is why they don't like her! Do you think it's a good idea to vote for a candidate directly sponsored by a rival nation? Do you think that's normal practice?
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Even with a Melenchon - Le Pen second round, polls still have Le Pen losing by a wide margin. Barely any polls have her doing well except perhaps vs. Fillon, the very image of the corrupt establishment. She only plays well off candidates like Fillon, not so much other 'outcasts'.
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from t_d
"If you want sharia law vote Macron"
lol
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> Voting for someone is, by definition, support.
> Not voting against Le Pen means tolerating a Le Pen victory.
He is talking about not voting. What's your point?
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Can someone explain how EU is not letting that old bloke hire more people? And even if they elect Le Pen and she leaves EU, how will that help that guy to hire more people? For that you would need to ease labor laws and offer less protection to workers (so they could get fired/hired easier and that will help business to reduce risk of hiring new people) but I just can't imagine that happening in France (and also it directly harms her voters)
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mama merkel is the leader of the free world and macron. trump wanted to ban muslims!!
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worldnews
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Marine Le Pen likes to say "GERMANY" a lot as if it is an argument.
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This might legit be ISIS trying to steer France towards Le Pen. She'd be a god send for their propaganda and it would just ostracize and radicalize fringe elements in France and other countries.
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> people voting en masse for someone like Hamon.
To be fair, I think most people (except those who are all riled up in their candidate like some hardcore Fillonists and Lepenists) wouldn't mind voting for Hamon, he is not very polarizing IMO.
(I know that he is second choice for all my family but two - and they are usually centre or right-wingers)
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>People on this sub underestimate how polarizing Fillon and Macron
I've been called a theocrat by some French people even though i am not even religious just for support Fillon. Polarizing is a mild word.
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annotator01
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And people like Macron are part of those that do not understand the status quo?
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Yeah, this is one of Macron's big proposals (making firing easier) and I think it's gonna be tough to get through.
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> There is a global ideogical force that can really only be described as: extreme pro-immigration, pro-multiculturalism, pro-islamization whilst still maintaining a market economy.
>This force is Trudeau, it's Hillary Clinton, it's Macron, and it's the Liberal Democrats.
>Tactical considerations like what you're speaking about here aren't really relevant - the ideological movement above is a spear the world is currently being forced down on.
This but unironically. There's going to be kebab trucks on every corner, folks.
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France has been on high alert, I think they are still on state of emergency.
This would only increase the chance of right-wing victory. Le Pen is already quite strong in the polls.
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annotator01
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EU parliament should keep their thoughts to themselves. If this was support for Le Pen, there would be cries of "interference" in the election.
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annotator01
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Has any evidence linking Russia to the Macron leaks surfaced so far? Even the more partisan news outlets so far seemed reluctant to make confident claims of a connection, as far as I can tell...
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Not really. Its just the PS thats dying and being split in two, the more radical LFI and Macrons party for the more moderate voters. The party system is changing, but France still has a relatively strong left compared with other countries.
Also, the turnout is really low, so its not hard to imagine that many voters on the left also stayed at home. Front National is also weak, so the same might be true for extreme right voters.
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> All of those are things which neither Macron nor Le Pen can solve
Trivialising the importance of this election is no side I am on.
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Still have legislative elections. Every lapdog from the PS and LR hoping to be part of Macron's majority will go pledge allegiance to the new king and hope to get elected with his blessing, how's that for a shitshow.
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It's Fillon that's free market. Melenchon and Marcon and both socialists.
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Le pen supporters are fucking stupid. How transparent is it that ISIS wants a Hardline nationalist? Does it not concern people that their interests align with the interests of terrorists?
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> Hearing smack-talk from the Frenchman 31 years his junior irritated and bewildered Trump
lol Macron is the gift that keeps on giving. Since he's ((( our guy ))), he's a salt-miner and master baiter.
I bet Macron didn't even realize the "Pittsburgh not Paris" line was supposed to be a comeback.
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neoliberal
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Macron does not give a 25400 Micron if you don't mind
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The center left in Germany are unquestionably going to win. But Le Pen we must watch. I only hope enough people flocking away from Fillon lean towards Macron over the actual fascist.
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In that sense yes, it is a flaw in this system. Hypothetically, though it seems unlikely, Fillon/Melenchon may be more people's second choice than Macron is. The question is, how do you determine that? Some other kind of ranked choice voting perhaps, but I'm not sure.
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As a lady, I think the best solution here is more Macron/Trudeau eroticism.
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They said the same thing after France elected Macron, like the French are asking for another attack. As a Canadian with dual citizenship with France who voted in that election, it actually made me nauseous and frankly more upset than angry.
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I like the "put your head in the sand so i can see nothing" strat here.
Paris lost 1.5 millions tourist in 2016
-41% from Japan
-21% from China
-26% from italy
-27% from Russia
But yeah no problem dont worry about us.
And Hollande speaking about "here nobody shoot in crowd" can't believe he seriously say that after the Bataclan.
But its Hollande so nobody is suprise.
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Capitalist nation states are able to motivate people to moderation by creating inclusive institutions. When states play an active role in welcoming in muslims, promoting moderate Imams, promoting the french value of accptance as something to emulate, it becomes harder to radicalize people.
Radicals come about from 3 things in conjunction: Circumstance, Anger, and Ideology. Nobody becomes a radical when they're well fed, taken care of, and happy. The state can work at undermining extremism through integration programs and propoganda ops, both of which macron is masterful at.
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Trump made the same exact threat and followed through with it a month ago, and yet all the top comments are about how Macron is a real leader and this how thing should be done, as if the airstrike last month didn't happen at all.
If we're as forgetful as everyone else on reddit is then what the hell is the point?
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neoliberal
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>"The most successful neoliberal candidate of recent years was Emmanuel Macron, who basically owns French politics now,” he said. “He’s a former big shot Rothschild banker who married a woman 25 years his senior. Even our biggest winners don’t exactly exude cool."
Are you kidding, Macron is living the dream.
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Fillon is very anti-gay? Not going full GPA isn't being anti gay. There are various shades. Who the fuck think in absolute? Sith and simpleton.
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annotator01
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Oh i know, i was disputing OPs point that more muslim = more Le Pen voters
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Most french people seem to realize that is exactly what terrorists want. Le Pen hates Muslims. French people hate terrorists. A terrorists goal is turn the rest of the world against muslims.
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annotator01
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The donald actually said that low turnout would help le pen. Lol
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The police confirmed that those 2 are the suspects they arrested.
The white guy, Alexandre Bissonnette, is 100% not Muslim if you check his Facebook. He seems anti-Muslim: his likes include "Israeli Defense Forces, Marine Le Pen, Richard Dawkins, Donald J. Trump," and in a lot of his pictures, it's about Megadeth, drinking wine/beer, and partying.
The Arab guy also had an anti-Islam post on his Facebook.
Seems like an anti-Islam white guy + ex Muslim or secular Arab guy so far
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annotator01
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Voting is the basis of democracy, of course unless the outcomes are Trump, Brexit and Le Pen, right?
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Le Pen- Anti-immigrant and economic nationalism. Inheritor of the party founded by Vichy French and SS members.
Macron- Pro-EU, free markets with centrist ideology favoring evidence-based economic policy. Socially leftist as well. New political party, now endorsed by all the traditional French parties because Le Pen is a Nazi.
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This is just the standard, "no my candidate, I don't care if they are corrupt cause it's my candidate."
Think any of these people would be saying this if it was Macron? Where were these people during Fillon's corruption case? Nowhere.
So they are hypocrites.
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It's a meh scenario, pretty much exactly what the polls expected. Not really exciting, but I wouldn't call it troubling.
It's basically a gauranteed Macron victory, he's ~30% points ahead of her in the polls for the second round.
Macron is the perfect candidate for continuing the status quo and a terrible candidate for the likes of Le Pen. I'll leave it up to you if that's a good thing.
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Except Melenchon won't engage in welfare chauvinism and is a proper secularist. Unlike Le Pen who evokes secularism just to bash the Muslims yet sucks up to the conservative Catholics sometimes.
During the debate Melenchon absolutely rekt her on this and humiliated her. It was glorious. Made me like Melenchon even if I do not like his crazy economic policies lol.
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Watch close kids, here we're seeing modern propaganda in action. Since it's undeniable that this leak could damage Macron's campaign and give an unfair advantage to LePen, the troll instead asks for sources on other, tangential claims.
You see, they don't need to engage with the content of people's posts, that's a losing strategy. Instead, they constantly ask for new sources until people cannot provide them, lending those arguments an air of falsehood in the eyes of the lurking masses.
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[Vincent Boissoneault told The Globe and Mail that the two frequently argued over politics when Bissonnette attacked refugees or expressed support for Le Pen or US President Donald Trump.
"I wrote him off as a xenophobe," Boissoneault told the newspaper. "I didn't even think of him as totally racist, but he was enthralled by a borderline racist nationalist movement."](http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/americas/quebec-mosque-shooting-suspect/)
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annotator01
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That is brutal and completely accurate. Dear god, here's hoping the French people listen and don't elect another Putin puppet.
How the hell does authoritarian nationalism rise in a place like France anyway? Macron's totally right, France is full of fields bombed to oblivion by the last nationalists to occupy the country.
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annotator01
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Mélenchon voter here. There's not even a second of hesitation here, I'm voting Macron. Anything but that fascist blond swine.
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The whole argument is moot. Macron just won bigly. He even outperformed his polls.
The links you sent me don't support your argument. Can you find something that does? Do you regularly embarrass your self like this in real life?
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annotator01
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Most left wing voters know that it would be a disaster to vote for the far-right, Hamon has already called to vote against the far right and Melenchon, while he hasn't said a thing yet, will probably follow him.
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annotator01
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Still within margin of error. I think that Melenchon underperforms if those numbers are true
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I believe the importance here is *why* they were published. That's what the investigation needs to uncover.
If, say, she was simply trying to further her political career by stirring anti-Muslim sentiments, well, that would be pretty horrific, too, wouldn't it?
There is a way to share graphic images of the real horrors that people face. It sounds like what Le Pen did wasn't it. But we'll wait and see.
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Hopefully this will cause moderate PS voters to pick Macron over their own party, part of me is still hopeful that we might see Macron vs Fillon
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I know, that's the problem
I hope that means that Macron has successfully been able to crack the code to running on an anti-establishment platform with Centrist policies.
Big if true
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Stiglitz, Krugman and Solow, three Nobel Laureates, have repeatedly spoken up about inequality and it's negative effects (Acemoglu gets an honorary one for his citation count). It's certainly a well-supported concern within the neoliberal corpus. So many of the redistribution proposals are flat-out *bad* though, which is why we might agree with Piketty's prognosis but disagree with his remedy, let alone those proposed by Melenchon, Bernie Sanders and the like.
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PRAISE SOROS, THANK MR BERNKE, AND BUILD TACO TRUCKS ON EVERY CORNER TO CELEBRATE MR MACRON
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Good question. It will probably be a center right guy. (I'm more center left, but I think it's the only way that Macron gets a working majority in the congress election in 15 days.)
Basically someone not too right wing, with experience but a bit new and exciting so it doesnt feel like politics as usual. (Impossible I know.)
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annotator01
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Except what Hollande did was completely legal and acceptable and something the corrupt politicians you defend *also* do (in addition to their actual crimes).
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> s. "Does Marine Le Pen not understand that being French is all about being insouciant, not shouting endlessly about how terrible it is when women wear veils? The only article of clothing a Frenchman should be against is the sock with the sandal." He shudders. "We are not . . . Germans."
Jesus christ. What a stinging statement by the guy. Total savage.
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annotator01
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you can be left leaning on some issue (redistribution) but be nationalists on others (economic and cultural nationalism) like tariffs, close the borders and restrict human and capital migration (Like Brexiters, Le Pen, and Sanders), you might be surprised if you draw a Venn diagram between them
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annotator01
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There are some left socdems who are legitimately pro-Assad (I remember Melenchon talked out both sides of his mouth on the Syrian regime to pander to that crowd), but it's also an epithet that some neocons have started applying to anyone who opposes military intervention in Syria.
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Ok, you convinced me.
I will vote Le Pen because that is at least 1 politician that won't silence my opinion and my freedom of speech.
It's because people like you that us citizens are being robbed of their free speech and why **we have to** vote right-wing, Trump, Brexit, etc.... Congratulations!
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link? I want to send it to my alt-right friends.
Prove my boner for Macron>their boner for Putin
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neoliberal
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If you don't understand anything about Le Pen or the FN can you stop the knee jerk "hahah muh SJW's" bullshit, please? It's a horrible state of things when it's politically incorrect to call people racist, nazis or fascist even when there's perfectly good ground to do so.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Bousquet
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9on_Gaultier
http://img.agoravox.fr/local/cache-vignettes/L461xH297/lepen_marine_lyon-63bd2.jpg
http://www.lessentiel.lu/dyim/38e477/B.M600,1000/images/content/2/7/3/27383622/4/topelement.jpg
http://preprod-img.planet.fr/files/styles/article_wide_940x400px/public/images/article/3/9/5/877593/2078526-focus-wide.jpg?itok=3AF7RHuU
http://www.politproductions.com/sites/default/files/img-la_proximite_du_fn_et_du_nazisme-marion_marechal_le_proche_des_neo_nazis.jpg
http://media.paperblog.fr/i/617/6178783/marion-pen-raffole-jeunesses-hitleriennes-L-ylX94K.jpeg
http://dbm31.agence-presse.net/files/2015/05/nazis_budapestfn.jpg
http://preprod-img.planet.fr/files/styles/article_wide_940x400px/public/images/article/3/9/5/877593/2078526-focus-wide.jpg?itok=3AF7RHuU
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It's not plagiarism if the words are supposed to be recognized though...
But then again, Marine Le Pen is 100% gunning for Fillions voters and if any demography would be likely to recognize those word it would be this particular group...
So I guess nobody was supposed to recognize it?
Do you people have brains?
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>There seems to be varying accounts of what actually transpired between them is all.
No, there do not. There is the truth, and then there are the excuses for the truth. Everything I have discussed is straight from Macron and his wife's statements about their relationship.
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annotator01
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You do know that antisemitic, homophobic,xenophobic people exist, right? And Papa Le Pen is one of them.
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That's because you're part of the group that benefits from globalism. You'd be a fool to ignore the needs of those left behind by globalism, even if you don't need their votes to win the presidency.
Hopefully Macron understands this. I doubt it.
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Ugh, La Melenchon insoumise.
Wish he'd just give it up. I want EM!
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neoliberal
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annotator01
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There's a really great documentary about Emmanuel Macron on Netflix. It follows him throughout his campaign.
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neoliberal
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Very untrue. You cannot have a country if you abandon ethnicity. Le Pen wasn't great, but she was necessary to restore France to a good state. Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Le Pen would fulfill the more immediate needs.
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I agree, I would also vote Macron instead of LePen. But we also have to deal with the side effects.
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I mean there's multiple stages of liberalism, ane Macron was afaik the person blamed for many of Hollande's reforms. Otoh Fillon wants to dismiss 400 000 public servants iirc, which seems a lot more extreme than Hollande.
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If the second round is between Le Pen and Mélenchon, then France desserves its fate.
And I am french.
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Proportionality
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Confident
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Ohh another populistic approach that we gonna destroy the system and its gonna be great!
No, sorry to say that. F. e. Melenchon proposed that companies workers should have percentage in the company and bussiness would cease to exist.
You can look up USSR EXACT same approach to Collective farms.
Effective farm strength compared to capitalism: 20%.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator01
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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> I don't know what surprises you that a left-wing party doesn't back Macron tbh.
Socialist Party in France called to vote Macron... So yes it is surprising that a left party doesn't call to fight an far right party.
But I don't think Podemos is a left party.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator01
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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My roommates girlfriend was complaining for weeks about how the USA is just too sexist to elect HRC and that the only reason she lost was because she's a woman.
She loathes Le Pen and constantly claims it has nothing to do with her gender.
This kind of cognitive dissonance is *The Onion* material.
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Conservative
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French politics
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annotator01
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Equality,Authority
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Confident
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Melenchon is 5th place in the polls now. He is the leftist version of Le Pen or alternatively the Jeremy Corbyn of France, anti-EU, anti-NATO and a Russian apologist. He is weak on immigration as well, and has no vision. Not good for France or Europe.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator01
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Authority
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Confident
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Macron is more of a technocrat than someone that believes in democracy.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator01
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Melenchon is literally a communist. and I don't mean American-communist, I mean an _actual_ communist.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator01
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Authority
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Somewhat Confident
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Uhh wait didn't Trump interfere in the French election by backing Le pen?
Lolwtfbbq on your logic
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator01
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Loyalty
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Confident
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1) there are no serious allegations of election rigging in France.
2) the plan was about ensuring a peaceful transition and avoiding riots that would certainly have ensued had Le Pen won. It didn't include any kind of obstruction to Le Pen exercising her would-be presidential powers.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator01
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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> ... This being said, it's a pity to see that political debates always devolve to this. If Le Pen and Macron could have a proper rational discussion, rather than all this polemical posturing, I think Macron would have a huge advantage. It's just not how politics work.
No one is interested in a wonky debate, and both know it.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator01
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Care
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Confident
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I think liberal and left wing parties need to respond by rebuking Erdogan and declaring solidarity with anti-AKP opposition liberals in Turkey. Show that they aren't about to be taken for a ride.
The irony with this situation is Erdogan is himself a right wing populist, and part of the same cancer as Trump and Le Pen.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator01
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Authority
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Confident
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Policy doesn't matter in elections anymore, only narrative and charisma. The more charismatic candidate has won every election since Eisenhower with the exception of 1972 because of Vietnam.
The best chance of winning is someone who can consolidate and communicate your message the best. Both the progressive left and the center could win the primary, it'll just be whoever develop the stronger message.
If you want a centrist to win the Democratic nomination, find one who can get through to the people the most like Macron did in France.
tl;dr communication is everything.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator01
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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More attacks on the lefter candidate??
You probably didnt saw with how much shit Fillon ( right wing) has been hit with.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator01
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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French women seem kinda excited by Macron... is that what you mean with your demography thingy ?
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europe
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French politics
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annotator01
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Just curious, what's the difference between Le Pen and the 'eurosceptic-right' of Dupont-Aignan?
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europe
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French politics
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annotator01
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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I think Schäuble and Macron might have very different ideas of what such a FinMin is supposed to do.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator01
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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True. While we do need it I think it'll take longer for people to accept that.
But again that's why I do believe Macron and Hamon together would be good.
UBI will actually be really good for the economy if it's done well and, by political standards, a younger politician is more likely to be able to be convinced of that.
It has to start somewhere.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator01
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Authority
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Confident
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Le Pen was the fascist. I don't think it's such a shame.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator01
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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But right now everything is pointing toward a comfortable victory for Macron, everything is going exactly as it was expected to for him to win the election. Le Pen is now using last ditch efforts to distance herself from Front National in order to gain more moderate votes. Also, Macron isn't part of the establishment either. He has never been elected in any seat ever, this is his first attemps at gaining office, it's been plastered all over the place that this is a fight between two outsiders in the political world.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator01
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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I'm actually a centrist. UK, voted Lib Dem, voted remain, don't like Jezza. Loathe Le Pen and Trump but bored of seeing all the bernie/donald/esist/etc... posts.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator01
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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