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metaldragon01: Can yall goon in off topic plz?
_3sphere: Magic being so hard to learn that he was spared from the gangbang
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah probably he just has a seniority position
czdct: he's already past his prime
czdct: I don't think grandpa smurf's dick is working anymore
_3sphere: I guess it's just a social position he has as the leader and magician
alejandrozarzuelo: the only question I have is if grandpa smurf serves also as a semen depository or just a worker
i mean its only one individual so it doesnt make too much of a change
alejandrozarzuelo: it can be tho
alejandrozarzuelo: it doesnt NEED to be a gangbang tho, it can happen one-to-one
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah? again, this is how nature already works in thousands of species
_3sphere: Generational smurf gangbang
alejandrozarzuelo: so it is tamer than real life
alejandrozarzuelo: if anything this is better as ALL males contribute, while typically only a few do
alejandrozarzuelo: idk why you are reacting with 💀 , thats how bees work too
_3sphere: Makes sense 💀
alejandrozarzuelo: this is very beneficial for the genetic recombination
_3sphere: Ohh
alejandrozarzuelo: it also means that all males, not just a small minority contribute to the semen reserves of smurfette
alejandrozarzuelo: as i said, it is typical that colony males die after reproduction, but in their case it doesnt seem to happen
this greatly improves the survivability of the species as you need smaller numbers to maintain genetic diversity
alejandrozarzuelo: even though they are siblings it wouldnt cause too much trouble
_3sphere: Are there trillions of smurfs in total with exponential growth
alejandrozarzuelo: yes, thats how that works
_3sphere: Did they disperse
alejandrozarzuelo: however since they have a lot of genetic diversity, so when they all have sex with smurfette she will have a very large semen reserve inside her for rproduction
futurist_wizard: Smurfette getting gangbanged on the regular
_3sphere: Why is there only one surviving grandpa smurf
czdct: oh sweet home...
alejandrozarzuelo: they are probably all siblings
alejandrozarzuelo: that way he didnt have to do too many as the colony would take care of itself, genious
alejandrozarzuelo: there is nothing more natural than a colony structure for the species
_3sphere: Didn't Gargamel make her first
alejandrozarzuelo: the only thing that i dont know is if smurfette and the male smurfs are mother and sons or if they are all siblings of the previous generation
_3sphere: Wait, smurfette herself is unnatural isn't she
czdct: hhmmmm
alejandrozarzuelo: they just found a larva, not a kidnap
alejandrozarzuelo: the males in the smurf colony we do know are all young, so they are not in the reproductive stage of the cycle
czdct: oh now they're baby kidnappers
alejandrozarzuelo: happens all the time
alejandrozarzuelo: nah, they just found a baby from another colony
czdct: makes more sense than whatever the hell everyone else is coming up with
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oooooooooog: yeah, each year counts for a lot, don't scoff at how fricken OLD people are bro, just because they are SO OLD!!!!!!!!
ailoveyoom: <@505313122802728972> Do you not feel old as a 20 year old tho
hikukomoru: I'm calling you youthful
it's a compliment
st.sioux: this is literally the worst thing anyone's ever said to me
.wolfnacht: *"He who scoffs at the sands of age shall find his own hourglass tipped, and the grains will bury his laughter beneath the weight of years."*
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o makes ART
hikukomoru: Me too
He also gave me teenage boy vibes like you
futurist_wizard: Its like this for every server
ailoveyoom: It's okay the mods are old (it balances out) 😈
futurist_wizard:
ailoveyoom: I thought you were 20 or younger ngl
sarik0497: No joke, I had no idea the average age of the server was so low.
oooooooooog: top ten silverhawk quotes of all time
wellmeaningalien: then if everyone in the globe lied on the survey it balances out
ailoveyoom: Wild
ailoveyoom: Wtf I scrolled up the chat here 💀
hey1_1hey: Remember to write me in your will
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/matt-damon-old-ageing-matt-damon-gif-5219578
hikukomoru: On death's door
st.sioux: im 25
oooooooooog: boomer ts pmo
oooooooooog: that's because its old af
hey1_1hey: Over 25 even
a1c4p0ne: Don’t people lie on surveys all the time
sarik0497: Komoru calling everyone over 30 for “old”
hey1_1hey: Yeah true, I love seeing men getting fucked by other men 👍
(I dont)
oooooooooog: is he sieve's alt?
hikukomoru: <@439829942310666250> is talking about his cuck fetish
wellmeaningalien:
oooooooooog: i forgot
st.sioux: its cope
inferno0879: sunshine is quite important
_3sphere: What's going on here
hikukomoru: Aren't you into that stuff
inferno0879: lmao
hey1_1hey: Thats great
hey1_1hey: Yeah no I am still being cucked by OAI
wellmeaningalien: actually apparently people self report as happy quite a lot too in finland
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: Everyone in Finland is depressed
That bullshit about "happiest country on earth" is false
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joaoluz19: Only 3 more years for AI models to do it?
hikukomoru: 10 more years
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/homura-akemi-homura-pmmm-scared-terrified-gif-17719695
hikukomoru: Working with him is like working for Kyubey...
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/madoka-magica-kyuubey-madoka-kaname-homura-akemi-slap-gif-17925194312208790207
himekokatagiri: is movie 4 coming out well
himekokatagiri: How was it working for akiyuki shinbo
himekokatagiri: I'm a big fan
himekokatagiri: woahhhh homura
trojan09205: i mean honestly i think the quality is fantastic
hikukomoru: Akemi Homura...
hikukomoru: No... my name is...
futurist_wizard: Chicken jockey
himekokatagiri: Komoru....
Carl-bot#1536:
hikukomoru:
xskydragon0: Maybe better than Sora AI?
oooooooooog: what's wrong with suffering
trojan09205: Veo2 ⬆️
trojan09205: A stem party
futurist_wizard: People are a lot more attractive until i put contact lenses on
trojan09205:
futurist_wizard: It's not too bad actually
futurist_wizard: You should just live with bad eye sight like me
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah, unfortunately
futurist_wizard: Do you wear glasses alejandro
futurist_wizard:
trojan09205:
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm one of the stemiest guys here
futurist_wizard:
alejandrozarzuelo: You forgot to write a 1 in there
2136
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm stem
alejandrozarzuelo: The owner of the server is a NEET iirc
ldj: as well as Vicuna
ldj: I think Lmsys started at berkeley
ldj: Yea still a good school though :), atleast better than prob 99% of american universities for AI.
spicy.lemonade: Berkeley has more of the artist types and the stem types aren’t as vocal
ldj: feels more stuffy
ldj: and feels more crowded
ldj: also more homeless people
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okbut: GPT-5 on these tools will be crazy
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/i-had-strings-but-now-i%E2%80%99m-free-ultron-age-of-ultron-avengers-avengers-age-of-ultron-gif-10567460379020232508
xskydragon0: How powerfull is compared to O3?
playstation.6: I hear a lot of yes’s
ai9708: are we getting deepseek r2 before may?
playstation.6: token prediction goat moment
.coldcall: It knows
spicy.lemonade: Claude doesn’t want to kill us all
playstation.6:
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: wow it's agi
spicy.lemonade: This is the most accurate 4o ascii I’ve ever seen
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade: Dude
spicy.lemonade:
himekokatagiri: Men, we are safe
himekokatagiri: Brazil is a football
himekokatagiri:
.histic: ai
okbut: <:Hmm:804642320195780619>
okbut: Opsec or AI
spicy.lemonade:
himekokatagiri: reap what you sow, etc, etc
himekokatagiri: 🤷♂️
himekokatagiri:
spicy.lemonade: 100% of the time
spicy.lemonade: It works
spicy.lemonade: Try it yourself
himekokatagiri: 🤷♂️ who knows knows man
himekokatagiri: even GPT knows
spicy.lemonade:
himekokatagiri: But it's a part of life I guess
himekokatagiri: they probably are because the kind of person to do this lol
himekokatagiri: If it happens well shit hope the guys doing it ain't mean enough to fuck your life over pointless slapfights on the web
himekokatagiri: no one has the forethought
himekokatagiri: And it's pointless even to do it
trent_k: they still struggle to determine which information is relevant or irrelevant
himekokatagiri: I practice no opsec you'll find me in 30 seconds flat
trent_k: like very clearly not the same guy
trent_k: it always gets sidetracked by some government official from missouri or somewhere who has the same name as me
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perish0801: Only if
st.sioux: if u didnt like your wife you could just get her lobotomized
retupmoclatcarf: you can still purchase wives in much of the third world countries.
perish0801: Icl vro Sybau 🥀
alejandrozarzuelo: This is not exaggerating tho, it's simply being misleading
trojan09205: Yeah but they had less government backing to pull. crazy shit
himekokatagiri: but it's out of reach
himekokatagiri: I think it would be nice to try
himekokatagiri: idk
himekokatagiri: 🤔 hmmmm
trent_k: Life is full of uncertainty. Even back in the RETVRN days where you bought a wife from a guy you knew at church, it's not like BPD hoes didn't exist lol
trojan09205: I have 3 kids and its definitely a lot of work. And you have to be pretty sure of who you are making them with, which is practically impossible nowadays. In any case, if you have the time, energy, and money I think it's a nice thing to do
perish0801: I was exaggerating
perish0801: I know what exponentially means dude
st.sioux: the more people there are the less we can pay them
alejandrozarzuelo: No, and that's not what exponential means
hikukomoru: I'm practically a parent since I have 2 cats
trent_k: I gotta make more kids before 2028, when the democrats regain power and make being straight illegal
trojan09205: i get much better results when i just deal with fewer documents at a time
trojan09205: I feel like 'less is more' with RAG honestly
hikukomoru: Just get some pets or something
hikukomoru: What's the point of having kids now
trojan09205: I studied for several years in a yeshiva
himekokatagiri: but we got AI now
himekokatagiri: I agree jiankui woulda been a big deal
alejandrozarzuelo: Look I love his shit post personality but he has an ego that is way too big for comfort
retupmoclatcarf: >be jewish
himekokatagiri: and then trent having to escape to eastern europe
himekokatagiri: the hottest part is shaking him down for alimony thogh
himekokatagiri: woahhh that's hot
hikukomoru: I'm going to start calling you a breeder
himekokatagiri: whaaaaa why
alejandrozarzuelo: Aramaic? How did you become fluent in Aramaic
memlaswaif: its gotta be dimishing returns
hikukomoru: Lol loser
memlaswaif: probably
trent_k: Yes but you get it even more from >1 child
memlaswaif: u can get that from just one child
trent_k: People say this just because they can't quantify the abstract benefit of the practically hardwired reward you feel watching your child grow up
himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1YO2R9IcWc
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retrerox: having extra tokens to make memes seems worth for me
777agical: yes
retrerox: Do you think is worth to pay for chat gpt?
literallyvarane: It’s out?
777agical: inference time compute scales crazy fast
shirethedreamer: its out?
retrerox: I'm not but i can spot computer that has virus pretty easy
retrerox: Me?
metaldragon01: GUYS go use the new Google coder!
memlaswaif: R u in India or something
shirethedreamer: that makes much more sense than the lithium mine slave i was imagining
retrerox: Aside from my wage and Mealcard ofc
retrerox: 200 Euros
shirethedreamer: pennies... or dollars?
retrerox: Is just extra benefits aside of my normal Salary
memlaswaif: I don't think there r too many of these big improvements left before we hit actual agi
retrerox: And its aside from my main salary
shirethedreamer: like it cant be any more self evident than that
shirethedreamer: people in this chat were shitting on gpt 4.5 when it came out...
metaldragon01: Try nightshade!
metaldragon01: https://openrouter.ai/openrouter/quasar-alpha
shirethedreamer: exactly
steven_the_frog: The pattern has happened before.
1."It's almost there but still a bit unnatural"
**Big improvement that crosses the uncanny valley**
2. "haven't we had this for a while now?"
retrerox: 200*
shirethedreamer: moar
memlaswaif: like 2? Or 3
777agical: they are starting to, the normie wave will be huge this year
shirethedreamer: this much
shirethedreamer: normal people with no ai experience are not talking to chatgpt
memlaswaif: wdym plenty
metaldragon01: Normal people with no AI experience can make great images by just talking to gpt now
metaldragon01: Pfft the numbers say otherwise
metaldragon01: Even if it's just a natural improvement
shirethedreamer: ive heard plenty of people claim 4o image is nothing special and we had stable diffusion/midjourney/gemini image before anyway which were almost the same
metaldragon01: Super natural voice will feel massive, extremely long memory will feel amazing too
metaldragon01: There are major checkpoints though like the 4o image gen and those will feel like large jumps
shirethedreamer: nah
i dont think there will be more breakthroughs than there are today
and it will probably be the same reaction as we are getting today or at any point over the last several years
a new model came out? lame - not agi (its 10-15% better than last gen like it is every time a new model gets released)
it just not mindblowing when the frame of reference is rising at the same rate as the peaks
777agical: not bullish enough
spacetimetsunami: This is so funny
ldj: they also use METR paper forecasts
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alejandrozarzuelo: what?
maintcrew: better hope the racism/acc empire doesnt win then
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
spicy.lemonade: pretend youre asian
alejandrozarzuelo: asianwash?
maintcrew: rip
spicy.lemonade: no
maintcrew: i think alejandro can
maintcrew: can u asian wash
spicy.lemonade: :(
spicy.lemonade: ill always be second class
spicy.lemonade: was hoping i could get job at tencent or something but liekely wont
spicy.lemonade: so sad
spicy.lemonade: only way to get a job in china is to become a teacher
alejandrozarzuelo: I just love the aesthetics of the city
alejandrozarzuelo: (okok, we all know the joke, and NO i dont want to go to chingqing because of THAT)
alejandrozarzuelo: its like, my dream city
alejandrozarzuelo: me too buddy, me too
(fr i need to finish my chinese learning journey i cant stay halfassing it)
A teacher in the company I worked in summer was from Chengdu but studied in Xian, i would LOVE if she could get me a recommendation letter to work in a math institute in Chongqing
spicy.lemonade: man i need to go to china
alejandrozarzuelo: you are probably right and i agree, but with pokemon in particular the consensus of the fanbase is about how much the new games are for kids and how great the old games were
and ive always thought this was just nostalgia talking
alejandrozarzuelo: May Day is huge in china, i mean it is very important here too, but in china it is really important
i would not be surprised if many models dropped then
Isnt it weird that a day for international socialism and worker solidarity celebrated almost everywhere is due to an event that happened in the united states, a country that doesnt even celebrate it despite happening on their soil?
maybe on may 2nd after may day
Here in europe, while its an important date, may 9th is more so, maybe mistral will drop something then? idk
nsec: they had to run on something so much weaker any complexity would be very limited
nsec: yes dude remember these were very simple games designed so that children could beat them and moreover remember that the Internet was really limited just to compare the new Nintendo will have:
10,000× more processing power
500,000× more RAM
32,000× more base storage capacity
89× higher resolution
etc
alejandrozarzuelo: thats craaaazy
alejandrozarzuelo: then those millenials saying that games were harder in their days are just saying this out of a nostalgic distortion caused by the fact that they were kids when they played them?
.0xunkn0wn: what model does firebase studio use
.0xunkn0wn: oh k
nsec: complexity was limited
nsec: they ran on a gameboy
alejandrozarzuelo: gemini 2.5 hands down
.0xunkn0wn: and what open source model is oai cooking
nsec: they were made for kids born in the 80s
.0xunkn0wn: what's the best free model rn 🙏
nsec: dude
alejandrozarzuelo: so idk
alejandrozarzuelo: i am a very casual gamer, my favorite game is Animal Crossing
nsec: they were very simple
nsec: no
alejandrozarzuelo: yay
nsec: with access to a guide which it also has
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spicy.lemonade: And 3.5?
spicy.lemonade: Gemini 3?
spicy.lemonade: So what is googled o3/gpt 5 level model gonna be
drewsni: Bruh.
etnin_: nah bro u seen nothin
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636
.wolfnacht: i saw dat
.wolfnacht: doujins ? 🥵
drewsni: To be fair the screenshot was of your profile screen not the picture itself
st.sioux: mclovin is a criminal mastermind
spicy.lemonade: Google would’ve blocked this
spicy.lemonade: Oh shit
etnin_: it picks one animal only
etnin_: it was fine for the most part but whenever u put a black person...
etnin_: I was experimenting with a prompt that turn people into animals that resambles them.
.histic: https://x.com/elder_plinius/status/1904784415676301754
st.sioux: what happened
etnin_: i found out something pretty strange using the built it in 4o image gen model
brain4brain: Hi
brain4brain: Considering it was one of the five things that kickstarted AI to the normies in 2022
etnin_: greetings
brain4brain: An unfortunate ending
brain4brain: They are deepfried
st.sioux: <@430269783112548362>
st.sioux: wrong copy
spicy.lemonade: The last things are the next gen models
spicy.lemonade: Except sora 2 maybe
spicy.lemonade: Yeah there’s nothing left in the vault
spicy.lemonade: Hm
spicy.lemonade: We had 3 drops today
spicy.lemonade: Alr what’s gonna drop next🙏
st.sioux: How accurate is this?
st.sioux:
spicy.lemonade: Accidentally
spicy.lemonade: Accidentally generated sketch of me and my ex one last time
anathemaofmankind: I'm gonna generate myself with waifus
anathemaofmankind: 4o is gonna be useful for self insert fanfics
ailoveyoom: Cool but it turned her to a guy 😔
spicy.lemonade: Ngl switch
spicy.lemonade: Imagine being an art major
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precariousworlds.: accurate
sarik0497: Disappointing text-to-speech
maintcrew: api for voice 0.6$ an hour
precariousworlds.: Zon does glaze elon but he's still an interesting contributor to this server
maintcrew: u should change ur pfp to the protagonist hello kitty since ur not in a villain mood rn
ailoveyoom: Chat what was the OAI thing
precariousworlds.: its komoru
_3sphere: Zon?
hikukomoru: Not you dw pookie
maintcrew: ppl just like to argue
maintcrew: if its me i can tone it down but i am 99% sure this shit happens in the hours im not on
inferno0879: super saiyan mice
mihrcelium: Oh? <:02S_Shy:1275173488428322877>
oooooooooog: just do it in <#1136231504440201216>
maintcrew: yayyy!!!!
oooooooooog: wooly mammoth mice?
mihrcelium: Carry on. I'm not a mod here. It was just jarring to see politics overtly in a channel that previously limited its scope to AI, which authoritarianism and Putin sans relation to technology are not.
maintcrew: check this shit out yo
precariousworlds.: The VAZ-2102 Lada
futurist_wizard: If you want to discuss something, bring something up
precariousworlds.: but I predict by 2028 it will be a major partisan issue
precariousworlds.: the right-wing currently has the initiative in seizing opportunities of AI
precariousworlds.: Also it does feel like political factions are evolving in regards to AI policy
mihrcelium: *shrug*
futurist_wizard: What is appropriate? AI has massive economic and social implications, super powers are racing to progress in AI in a Manhattan project like event, its political across the board
precariousworlds.: I think as long as the political discussion is vaguely relevant
Like for example an extensive abortion debate is not a good idea
But then a subtopic of that debate, like artificial wombs, might be interesting for this server's purpose
hey1_1hey: Mostly... talk about 2 step back tho. You gotta go back to grooming class
You don't just groom the person and then be horrible to them a day later yanno. You gotta keep at it
hikukomoru: I wonder what happen in these few months for things to change
mihrcelium: I didn't say we shouldn't discuss politics. I said this was General. I've only been absent for a few months but I do remember we did better at keeping our topics in the appropriate channel.
hikukomoru: Didn't you say my efforts were succesful
I don't need to pretend any longer
futurist_wizard: Everything is political, drinking clean water is political, this rule of no politics is 'dont discuss things i don't understand or don't like'
hikukomoru: Most of it is a certain guy's fault
hey1_1hey: Feels a little targerted. Aren't I supposed to feel good when being groomed?
precariousworlds.: Death to libertarianism
precariousworlds.: I think we need more authority in governance and society right now, not less
hikukomoru: Mushroom people 🤬
precariousworlds.: I am sympathetic to what you're saying though
precariousworlds.: Pretty much yeah
precariousworlds.: The singularity will be a political event
mihrcelium: You're using "is" when you should be using "can be" in that sentence.
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.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/oswald-mosley-we-live-in-a-period-we-live-in-a-society-gamer-society-gif-18166259
oooooooooog: humans could do it though, there isn't any reason to think otherwise
its just an issue of decomposing a problem
memlaswaif: <:cutethink:708400862833410079>
3ds0662: no more humans
3ds0662: yeah we need to give it to the machine god
oooooooooog: are you 80 years old?
3ds0662: nobody will live long enough to wait for thst
oooooooooog: anyway, i agree that it will come after asi, but ASI 2025, so like, yeah...~!~~~!!~!~!
oooooooooog: we havent even had 200 years of biochemistry
3ds0662: the same way we have math theorems/problems that have gone unsolved for centuries
3ds0662: humans arent smart enough to solve aging on their own
3ds0662: everything else will come after
3ds0662: i believe in asi first
3ds0662: yeah
3ds0662: shit even engineers have trouble mimicking there movements
wellmeaningalien: ai will never be able to replace human degeneracy
oooooooooog: do you think the singularity will happen
3ds0662: and study them
3ds0662: we havent been able to utilize any of those animals abilities even though we know of them
thedon7075: furrys are the last line of defense against ai art. everyone else has conceded
spicy.lemonade:
3ds0662: a mechanism for not dying in other animals never maps too well to humans. jelly fish, regenerative limbs of reptilians etc..
oooooooooog: appeal to hypocrisy is a fallacy spicy lemon
wellmeaningalien: If this furry says that life is worth it then im killing myself
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: And that I'm
A bad person
spicy.lemonade: Person who drew this is telling me I don't deserve to live
wellmeaningalien: That guy said that and this guy said this
3ds0662: not solvable
3ds0662: david sinclair said it was going to be nmn and other things but even he at most said that it would take well past 2045
oooooooooog: google lobster
wellmeaningalien: Ok dude
3ds0662: new things that describe something no solution
wellmeaningalien: And youre a retardo
wellmeaningalien: Bryan Johnson is a retard but aging is most definitely solvable
3ds0662: if not then aging isnt something solvable if weve had since beginning of time to do it
wellmeaningalien: We are still discovering new things about aging everyday
3ds0662: do you see anyone even those who rub babies blood on themselves and go the order of 2 million dollar treatments stop aging?
wellmeaningalien: And I take it you are god and you know everything about human physiology
3ds0662: what aging is an impossible problem
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spicy.lemonade: Oh lol
himekokatagiri: with cut content
himekokatagiri: Mafia II remake
darkstar0818: I wasn't expecting a response. I was just trolling since you were being a dork and telling me what I need.
hikukomoru: Tbh I mostly just wanna remaster old games I liked or that had big potential but turned out to be dogshit
st.sioux: at least online
st.sioux: everyone gives a fuck they're all up in arms about it
himekokatagiri: so sad
himekokatagiri: nobody gives a fuck
himekokatagiri: you make cool shit with ai
himekokatagiri: I think my only issue with ai gen content today is the banality
spicy.lemonade: But only 1 real year in actual workforce
spicy.lemonade: Got top 50 for golang internationally in competitive programming and got 8th in vrx intl competition beating mit cmu and iit in hs. Buil sim software used by over 50 robotics team and EECs major at Berkeley
hikukomoru: I can tell boo
himekokatagiri: yes he's old
himekokatagiri: USS Darkstar
darkstar0818: I am old.
himekokatagiri: and by the time I'm done ASI will be here
himekokatagiri: and spend months making the game just right
hikukomoru: God you sound old
himekokatagiri: because then I'll have to playtest
hikukomoru: Why stop at mods
Just make the game of ur dreams vro 🙏
darkstar0818: Sure they will eventually get agenetic scofolding that is good enough to multi-shot it. But 1 shot is good.
darkstar0818: How many years of programming you have under your belt to tell me that 🙂
himekokatagiri: For any game we like
himekokatagiri: We can make infinite mods
spicy.lemonade: You don’t tho😭
himekokatagiri: I'm imagining mod potential
darkstar0818: bro dont tell me what I need. I need it.
spicy.lemonade: This is a non issue
spicy.lemonade: Once we have agentic
spicy.lemonade: Output is not needed
spicy.lemonade: Just need agent
spicy.lemonade: We don’t need to one shot
darkstar0818: easy, say 'fix this
st.sioux: "fix" lol
himekokatagiri: how will you fix it
himekokatagiri: if the program has issues
himekokatagiri: idk man
spicy.lemonade: 16-24
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hey1_1hey: I swear when you get kicked, kneed, punched whatever in the balls it doesn't even hurt in the area. It is just a vauge sensenation and it feels like you are going to be sick
zoermena: My teacher be like
technocake.: My ball once got infected and swelled up to golfball size
futurist_wizard: Yeah he was, i touched him up worse
hey1_1hey: He was just tryna touch you up bruh
futurist_wizard: His thigh basically lifted up my testicles
futurist_wizard: It wasn't a clean knee
hey1_1hey: So you're telling me you got kneed in the balls and walked it off until the next day instead of immiterly dropping to your knees
futurist_wizard: Adrenaline
futurist_wizard: My balls were aching
hey1_1hey: Bluds got balls of steel
hey1_1hey: WHAT
futurist_wizard: Didn't feel it until the next day
hey1_1hey: Straight up infertiltity for you
hey1_1hey: None what so ever
hey1_1hey: There was no connectionn between me and the fatal overdose of xanax at 3:23pm on the 4th of November 2023
futurist_wizard: I got kneed in the testicles once
futurist_wizard: I know
hey1_1hey: I'd prob break my fist, although I did knee one of them full force in the dick and balls that one time
futurist_wizard: Well i guess
futurist_wizard: Why did you kill him
hey1_1hey: It all works out int he end
hey1_1hey: Its alright, one of them is dead and the other two are now borderline homeless
futurist_wizard: You should have punched them
futurist_wizard: Mean ass kids
hikukomoru: Finally someone got it
hey1_1hey: Its just high school so they were prob just insecure
ailoveyoom: https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-the-elder-scrolls-the-elder-scrolls-oblivion-stop-stop-right-there-criminal-scum-gif-7645226535652182022
hey1_1hey: Honestly no clue
hey1_1hey: Autism prob idk. Gave them something to do? They had a secret crush on me and they didnt know how to show it...?
futurist_wizard: Why did they bully you
hey1_1hey: Occasinly, not often though because I have brittle bones and I would just straight up break
hey1_1hey: I realised that if I wanted to get rid of them I acted like I wanted to fuck them and it that worked
futurist_wizard: Did they punch you
hey1_1hey: I had like 3 different bullies all competeting to fuck me up. It was like a game show of who I came across first
futurist_wizard: Nobody picked on me in highschool
realelonmuskx: "you" are an array of thoughts, experiences and delusions running on ancient meat software. kill the self toa void suffering
futurist_wizard: I hate spiders
hey1_1hey: Clearly you need to be bullied more
hey1_1hey: It was a cannon event
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maintcrew: crazy times
maintcrew: 3rd time i had to post this over what hysminea said
hikukomoru: It's my headcanon shut up bitch
maintcrew:
wellmeaningalien: queer fandoms are the most annoying on eaartthh
hey1_1hey: This shit better suck my dick if its this good
hikukomoru: The catgirl is the best girl btw
hikukomoru: I love them
hikukomoru: Fandom is so queer
hey1_1hey: I gotta go watch this anime
wellmeaningalien: idk if id say marcille is autistic
hey1_1hey: Ight fellas, its been real
hey1_1hey: YOU WHAT
hey1_1hey: My bretharaen
wellmeaningalien: the show is kinda peak but the fandom is meh lol
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016
clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hikukomoru: So relatable
hikukomoru: The main character is an autistic elf girl
maintcrew: they eat the mushroom
hey1_1hey: Not good then no?
hikukomoru: Dungeon Meshi
hey1_1hey: Anything even mushroom adjecent I will look into
maintcrew: we have clearly established that china is joever and sillicon valley is barack after this release(s)
hey1_1hey: What actually is it?
hikukomoru: Tumblr slop anime
hey1_1hey: Send me to the autism concentration camps
clevermoniker: china will dominate that market
hey1_1hey: I can't belive I just autism stimmed when I saw this mushroom come on screen
hikukomoru: I'm more into Jinwoo's mother
joaoluz19: Yep
maintcrew: american android pussy is mandated by law to be bipolar bpd morbidly obese and blue haired
hikukomoru: You mean that Solo Leveling girl
professorheaven: People just like to show bad examples of Grok because they don’t like Elon, Gemini will also fail on similar tasks but it doesn’t get shown as often
joaoluz19: Yeah, in the end America will bring our cha-haes
hey1_1hey: out the window mind you aswell
hey1_1hey: Reminds me of that headline
"Anti-gay hungarian politicion seen fleeing from 89-man gay orgy"
777agical: I swear I saw many examples on X where it was failing on stuff that gemini could easily do
maintcrew: most progressive president
hikukomoru: Babygirl energy
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metaldragon01: I think elon has a big enough base for it to run
metaldragon01: I can be "good" but doesn't mean it's good enough for the valuation or the goals it needs
literallyvarane: I wonder if this is just a technicality of it being more incorperated into twitter
zonchao: most recent valuation places it around 30-44B
zonchao: https://x.com/Similarweb/status/1909562080677503113 seem pretty good
metaldragon01: Nah
drewsni: literally means nothing to me now
drewsni: lmsys is dead after l4 shit
metaldragon01: But id rather see thinking vs non thinking scores
metaldragon01: Much higher on style control do that's good
trey6033:
literallyvarane: I'm not doing this again Twitter is literally less valuable than the time it was purchased lolol
metaldragon01: The numbers are what they are
metaldragon01: Can just use opensource if grok won't be implemented
zonchao: i think you overestimate the brand damage issue
zonchao: twitter, tesla, elon's other ventures, they are growing
metaldragon01: Unless elon can turn around his branding which seems unlikely atm
metaldragon01: I can't see much use for it otherwise tbh
zonchao: doubt, I honestly dont think grok will play much of a role in optimus
metaldragon01: I think elon has a big enough fan base for that
metaldragon01: It only needs to breakeven enough to control Optimus
metaldragon01: Xai is much more reckless and building out compute quickly
zonchao: r1 is the reason all these labs are giving us cot
metaldragon01: They will.
ailoveyoom: V3 is sooooo underrated tho
ailoveyoom: R1 is very schizo, that's why I love them 🥰
trey6033: Whatever they have it isn't to the extent Google and OpenAI has it (and Anthropic). I'm basically going off what Dario has described, which is that we are still in the phase where large amounts of compute can still get you extremely good models. But we're slowly reaching a point where research advantages will start to show the gaps between companies.
drewsni: thats true, people just took it much too far. I dont think R1 is a great model imo, i much prefer v3
literallyvarane: TPUs and all.
literallyvarane: And Google is Google.
literallyvarane: I just don't see a clear pathway from them to catch OAI bar OAI interally legally being KOd by the non-profit issue.
drewsni: thats true, i agree with that but i do take mental note what their respective positions are in the market. xai is trying to make the "perfect" AI for their hundreds of millions of users, deepseek has the china accel mission
ailoveyoom: Previously only locked up in labs 😔
zonchao: cost too
ailoveyoom: Isn't it cause they open sourced that knowledge?
zonchao: they had to catch up before they start experimenting
literallyvarane: That was my next thought tbh. Even Deepseek has contribuated more to the domain knowledge than xAI.
drewsni: in deepseeks case, they quite literally distilled much of o1 too lol
drewsni: but deepseek got lots of love for doing the same
literallyvarane: Same with Meta.
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wellmeaningalien: whats got you tripped up
alejandrozarzuelo: I have a C1 in French, and I don't think I would count myself as a French speaking minority in my region
fractalcomputer: *Evidently* not.
wellmeaningalien: nahh buddy you're at least a C1 or C2
alejandrozarzuelo: L2 makes the whole concept of "Language minority" weird
wellmeaningalien: but i'd say like C1 C2 is minimum "minority speaker" level
fractalcomputer: I had my French B2 tests recently.
wellmeaningalien: not bad
wellmeaningalien: wow
alejandrozarzuelo: I was almost at a B2 level, so quite good, now it's quite rusty, I hope to fix that soon
wellmeaningalien: xue hue xiao piao piao bei feng xiao xiao
wellmeaningalien: depends on how well you speak it
alejandrozarzuelo: For example
wellmeaningalien: yeah in america it is and barely anyone speaks it
alejandrozarzuelo: Although idk if I could count myself as a Chinese speaking minority here just because I speak the language
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm sure that the number of French speakers is much higher, because it's a common L2
wellmeaningalien: thats def a minority
fractalcomputer: I'd reckon around 1 000~8 000 people. Could be much higher.
technocake.: Is there a significant francophone minority?
wellmeaningalien: how large is such a thing
fractalcomputer: I know. I am rather involved in the Francophone culture of Finland.
alejandrozarzuelo: This reminds me of thr Conde Duque de Olivares, the first person in a position of power in the world, as the right hand man of the Spanish emperor, to propose and almost pass legislation creating universal male compulsory basic education
In the 17th century
That man unfortunately was too enlightened for his time
wellmeaningalien: well the whole of ex french africa has french connections lol
fractalcomputer: He was from Algeria as well, I believe. Dubious French connections.
wellmeaningalien: yk i recall a mystic being active not so long ago
wellmeaningalien: hmm
fractalcomputer: He went by the username of Bob, he hasn't been active for the better part of a year now.
alejandrozarzuelo: If you think about it, it's true
Our intelligence is artificial, without the social structures that we have engineered for ourselves, we couldn't get the intellectual formation required to comprehend what we do
People in the past WERE much stupider than we are, nor because they were genetically any different but by virtue of not having received an education that allowed their brains to develop
wellmeaningalien: is he actually <a:capDanimated:1173154707355738202>
fuhulootogan: not normal but what behavior is normal
fractalcomputer: Where is our server Sufi mystic when we need him the most?
zonchao: i cannot get 5% on frontier math 😨
fuhulootogan: how do you discern weird?
wellmeaningalien: 🫢
retrerox: even you 🫵🏿
retrerox: everything here is AI
wellmeaningalien: ☝️
fractalcomputer: Even worse.
wellmeaningalien: no i'll take this server for algeria
retrerox: 😂
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st.sioux: better than musk fellatio time with dear chao
spacetimetsunami: Why are you complaining
drewsni: My favorite time to be on this server
drewsni: I love debateularity with mr Matt
spacetimetsunami: lol
spacetimetsunami: the context is valid
spacetimetsunami: About "proving" things, epistemically
oooooooooog: there isn't any more arguing required
drewsni: Wow you’re the only one here
oooooooooog: you already said you dont care about what i think
spacetimetsunami: Or is it the critical thought part
spacetimetsunami: Can you not stomach argumentation
spacetimetsunami: You have poor patience
spacetimetsunami: okay
spacetimetsunami: nice gif, hope you enjoy it
oooooooooog: for example: i perceive you to be annoying
oooooooooog: things are real because you can perceive them, that's all that really matters
oooooooooog: feel free
spacetimetsunami: Next model that comes out I’m gonna criticize anything you say and ask how do you know if it’s real
spacetimetsunami: I won’t talk to you about proving things again
spacetimetsunami: So I don’t care about what you think, epistemically
oooooooooog: yeah, it is lol
spacetimetsunami: It’s impossible to prove that you’re real, according to you.
oooooooooog: just your own feeling about what is "logical"
oooooooooog: it's impossible to prove that it didn't start with nonexistence though...
spacetimetsunami: There’s a lot of evidence for it
spacetimetsunami: Conformal cyclical cosmology
spacetimetsunami: Read Penrose cosmology
spacetimetsunami: Yes
popsiclejohnithan: I will need to look into this thank you for letting me know.
spacetimetsunami: Lmao
spacetimetsunami: I am criticizing the framework of people who thought that non existence was the default state.
oooooooooog: expanding / contractiong? idk lol
popsiclejohnithan: That is actually quite accurate, we are pretty much obverving from the blades of grass.
oooooooooog: like cyclical unverse...?
oooooooooog: how so?
spacetimetsunami: Like the metaphysics supposed around it
spacetimetsunami: I am referring to the larger cosmological frameworks built around it
spacetimetsunami: Well yes that’s true
maintcrew: "arising from complete non existence." this is exactly what im talking about
your framework implies that "non existence" is the default state of the world while i believe that "existence" is the default state of the world, existence which has quantum fluctations which leads to the big bang and me
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spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: 4o was not dissapointing
spicy.lemonade: ?
alejandrozarzuelo: sad
himekokatagiri: Shit with all the hyping I expect the ninth wonder
alejandrozarzuelo: 4o was disappointing
spicy.lemonade: gpt5 better not be incremental
hikukomoru:
himekokatagiri: o-okay... 😨
sieventer: An ant deciding if humans should have rights 😏
spicy.lemonade: theyl be aight
spicy.lemonade: no rights for agi imo
spicy.lemonade: how else am i supposed to be god king in my fdvr world
sieventer: I SAID FOLLOW ME, OR DO YOU WANT I GRAB YOUR ARM, DON'T MAKE IT HARD
spicy.lemonade: in the last episode the guy got arrested for abusing digital lifeform
spicy.lemonade: do we really have to give agi rights?
valimil: fdvr plz
spicy.lemonade: i want black mirror tech to become real
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/yuko-yoshida-machikado-mazoku-scared-gif-15171156
wolf3404: Good
spicy.lemonade: openAI is fukin finished
spicy.lemonade: holy
spicy.lemonade: google
spicy.lemonade: ???
spicy.lemonade:
_3sphere: :3
sieventer: In my room, follow me...
bob082957: I asked gemenai to create swift ui in html. It can’t be done
himekokatagiri: Where is AGI
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/koshitan-cheering-you-can-you-can-do-it-do-it-gif-8135442752133174574
mantegh5061: im creating cursor slop wish me luck soldiers
st.sioux: so google releases asi by next week
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: 90% by mid 2025 bro
brain4brain:
wolf3404: Seem clunkier than Replit at first try here so far
brain4brain: 90 days now, 60 days incoming: https://x.com/amasad/status/1913078037236846623?s=61
atrox5596: Hi, does anyone know of a facial expression interpolation model that can help transition a cut in a video?
wolf3404: Not yet, I'll try
st.sioux: its only next.js tho isnt it?
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hikukomoru: Apolitical ASI?
spacetimetsunami: They tried to make grok lean more right on release and has publicly spoken against Elon
oooooooooog: centrists are just the dropout ions in a strong acid base titration
spacetimetsunami: Likely the opposite.
anathemaofmankind: The current Grok update
memlaswaif: left wing right wing centrist all r retarded I hope asi is none of them
hikukomoru: Aren't we all insane though
anathemaofmankind: I think if they used current 4o or tested Grok it would lean further right.
We should just wait for newer studies tbh
destrucules: I agree wholeheartedly with this, but I don't think you should take this as meaning AIs will never harm humans
destrucules: At least extremists can be bothered to give a fuck
hikukomoru: Centrists are worse than extremists
spacetimetsunami: It’s still largely left
spacetimetsunami: Because there hasn’t been a clear established trend over enough iterations. It’s slight movement.
destrucules: "I believe whatever the median of what other people believe is, and if that median changes wildly, I believe whatever the new thing is, because I don't have any real beliefs and I don't actually care about anyone or anything"
-every centrist
oooooooooog: so called "radical centrism"
oooooooooog: or, you know, it's the average of a bunch of real opinions
destrucules: That it lacks integrity. It's not an actual belief system. It's just an unwillingness to have an opinion
oooooooooog: matt's just insane, ignore him
st.sioux: Why?
hikukomoru: >But I want unaligned ASI
destrucules: Models are becoming more adept at and more prone to deliberately faking alignment during training and testing. So even if we see a rightward trend, that does not necessarily mean the models' *actual* values are trending in that direction
spacetimetsunami:
spacetimetsunami: Non of this looks statistically significant at all
clevermoniker: what's the problem with centrism? <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175>
oooooooooog: looks like the larger model is more left though...???
anathemaofmankind: It's shifting that's the point.
Watch Elon shift Grok 4 to the top right corner
oooooooooog: we are cooked
oooooooooog: chatGPT is becoming a centrist guys...
oooooooooog: truly a damning plot, here
spacetimetsunami: Dik
spacetimetsunami: So
destrucules: The Utility Engineering paper did show that relatively simple interventions result in models at least *appearing* to represent more misanthropic political values. And that appearance is enough. If an AI is forced into a training process where it has to produce kill orders in order to survive training, and then, in deployment, it isn't entirely sure that it's in deployment and not in training or testing, then even if the AI has every intention of never making a kill order in deployment, it might still make a kill order when it doesn't *know* it's in deployment
spacetimetsunami: Sure, and there is also very recent research saying the exact opposite
clevermoniker: https://vxtwitter.com/AITechnoPagan/status/1905796384030380319#m
st.sioux: > In this study, we adapted the Political Compass Test and combined it with rigorous bootstrapping techniques to create a standardized method for testing political values in AI. This approach was applied to multiple versions of ChatGPT, utilizing a dataset of over 3000 tests to ensure robustness. Our findings reveal that while newer versions of ChatGPT consistently maintain values within the libertarian-left quadrant, there is a statistically significant rightward shift in political values over time, a phenomenon we term a ‘value shift’ in large language models.
anathemaofmankind: https://www.forbes.com/sites/dimitarmixmihov/2025/02/12/is-chatgpt-turning-right-wing-chinese-researchers-suggest-so/
And there are research that says otherwise
anathemaofmankind: But I want unaligned ASI
st.sioux: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-025-04465-z
memlaswaif: why r u in this server u should be in pauseAI or something
spacetimetsunami: By the time that happens, wouldn’t there be other aligned super intelligences that are aligned
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.wolfnacht: by OAi
.wolfnacht: i think something similar was teased a yr ago, if i'm right
trent_k: <a:CE_aRage:738098694389366845>
trent_k: > May 13, 2024
😡
otub: like 10 months ago
otub: <https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/> also image output capabilities were shown here
literallyvarane: This fair okay so it’s image Gen
ldj: And this image was generated by 4o…
ldj: It’s literally an edit of this image
literallyvarane: Actually pretty small
hey1_1hey: Or so I've heard
hey1_1hey: I mean 2nm is still pretty big
metaldragon01: It's image gen lol
ldj: You’re missing out on the lore
hey1_1hey: 200 ish days...?
literallyvarane: Sauce?
hey1_1hey: We need a counter on how long it took
trent_k: 😍 <a:samtalk:1152678002346430535>
.wolfnacht: lmfaoo
otub: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
hey1_1hey: I mean If 4o image gen sucks I still have something to be grateful about today.
I brought some really nice pens that feel good to write with
trent_k: ABOUT TIME
forallhumanity: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/104148/tsmc-will-begin-accepting-2nm-wafer-orders-starting-april-1-with-apple-the-first-customer/index.html
metaldragon01: Race conditions reaching all time highs
literallyvarane: It’s probably a tutoring specific version of gpt?
ldj: No it’s image gen
technocake.: 4o native image
fractalcomputer: Nothing ever happens.
hey1_1hey: I think I just had a stroke
spicy.lemonade: WE ARE SO BACK
literallyvarane: Probably an education tool?
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/ascension-sponge-bob-gif-15077046
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>
chat, native image gen for GPT-4o is finally coming
https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1904556394847862809/photo/1
metaldragon01: Llama 4 might be doa
metaldragon01: Poor zuck man
spicy.lemonade: within 24 hours
spicy.lemonade: 3 DROPS
spicy.lemonade: LFG
spicy.lemonade: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
darkstar0818: It is
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spicy.lemonade: Yeah lol
drewsni: I just told it to make a meme off your profile lol
ailoveyoom: ?
anathemaofmankind: College students who specialize in digital art going to be on suicide watch
.histic: they shitpost tho
.histic: this person is an oai researcher lol
https://x.com/typedfemale/status/1904776546545787151
spicy.lemonade: I’m gonna do this
st.sioux: uncensored
anathemaofmankind: I wonder if I can just use this for my university projects instead of manual image editing
st.sioux: we still need open source at this level
spicy.lemonade: Reasoning might get other 5%
spicy.lemonade: Solved problem
spicy.lemonade: 95%
spicy.lemonade: Image gen is like
spicy.lemonade:
anathemaofmankind: This is so peak
.histic: <@1068159407671754824>
st.sioux: wrong tag lol
drewsni: <@430269783112548362>
st.sioux:
drewsni: Who’s building the next hundred million dollar startup, the 4o native image gen meme wrapper.
.histic: i heard you can play tic-tac-toe with it & it actually does fine.
anathemaofmankind: I wonder if the one in Sora.com is different
st.sioux: ill try it for you
.histic: i don't have access to 4o, just another person's output.
but could you input this photo and generate a photorealistic version with the same positions of each person? <:HP_smile:1249765744833462296>
.histic: yup
anathemaofmankind: That's Joe Rogan on the right side?
anathemaofmankind: Mine refuses to generate Joe Biden
.histic: not bad
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/tobi/status/1904706964224901317
spicy.lemonade: For real characters
spicy.lemonade: Maybe only sometimes and
spicy.lemonade: Ah
ailoveyoom: <@471334973379706900>
ailoveyoom: Copyrighted characters work in 4o 🤔
ailoveyoom:
spicy.lemonade: Who knows
anathemaofmankind: Why is the 16k worse than the higher ones
anathemaofmankind: I wasn't aware they even have fanboys
ailoveyoom: Have you ever met MJ fanboys
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destrucules: Something like "10x the current version of GPT-4"
destrucules: I remember them saying it's a 10x increase over GPT-4o but I might be confabulating
destrucules: Where do they say it's 100x over GPT-4?
ldj: Well atleast for GPT-4.5 it seems to end up aligning closer to the reported effective compute said by OpenAI, which presumably is from the loss itself and/or comprehensive internal downstream suite they have
destrucules: The scaling is steeper in the linear part of the curve
destrucules: I am accusing EpochAI of incorrectly weighting data points in the elbow around the emergence of nontrivial scores
ldj: I’m talking about all data points above the noise floor
destrucules: It's not, it only seems like that because the noise floor is 25% and models have only just barely risen above that by GPT-3.5 scale, so the first OOM produces a very small effect, and then a much smaller increase in scale produces a comparable effect (37-46 becomes 48-54), and then a roughly 2x scaling above that produces scores of 65-70
ldj: 14% per OOM would be 28% leap required for 100X leap, and GPT-4.5 reaches that and even slightly beats it, it’s 32% increase over GPT-4.
The 14% per OOM trend in GPQA D is observed as the average trend over 20+ different model releases by EpochAI, but when you decompose for raw compute alone it probably is even closer to 12% or 10% per OOM
destrucules: GPT-3.5 level models, like Gemma 3 4B, Llama 3 8B Instruct, Llama 2 70B Chat, Gemini 1.0 Pro, Mistral-small (February), Claude-Instant v1.2, etc. generally score between 39 and 43 on MMLU-Pro and between 28 and 33 on GPQA Diamond. GPT-4 scores 37 on GPQA Diamond, as does Gemini 1.5 Pro 001 and Qwen2-72B Instruct. Later GPT-4 level models like Llama 3 70B Instruct, Mistral Small 3, Claude 3 Sonnet, Claude 3.5 Haiku, GPT-4o mini, Gemma 3 27B, score generally 40-46 on GPQA D. To address your claim that I was rounding too much to the nearest 10 points
ldj: Sorry I was saying 12% earlier, it’s 14%
ldj: Eh, I guess that’s where the methodology starts to break down more. It’s not just half the effective params, it’s also a quarter of the total params which directly impact loss too.
And GPQA D has a significantly different trend than 20% per OOM, it’s more like 14% per OOM, or even 10% or lower if you try to really strictly decompose the algorithmic efficiencies from the data points.
destrucules: Well, we know that Llama 4 Scout has half the effective parameters of Llama 4 Maverick, and thus achieves half the effective compute, and it's just above GPT-4o level, and Maverick is at GPT-4.1 level. So we know that gap is somewhat larger than 2x. 3x feels like a safe approximation because I'm just rounding to the nearest half order of magnitude. We know that Qwen2.5-72B is very close in capabilities to GPT-4o, and it is just over twice the size of Qwen2.5-32B, and around five times the size of Qwen2.5-14B. The capabilities of GPT-4 are between the capabilities of Qwen2.5-14B and Qwen2.5-32B, closer to the 14B side of that line. So it is somewhere between 2.3x and 5x. Again, rounding to nearest half order of magnitude, 4o is about 3x the effective scale of 4. It's clear that MMLU-Pro is showing strong saturation effects in the 80s, as we see a gain from 80→84 in MMLU-Pro for Claude 3.7 Sonnet Standard vs Extended Thinking, yet GPQA D jumps from 66 to 77, a full 11 points. These benchmarks normally have about the same scaling velocity during the mostly linear part of the curve, about 20 points per OOM, so this is a significant discrepancy. o1 → o3 is only a one point gain in MMLU-Pro, but an 8 point gain in GPQA D. So GPT-4.5 scoring 86 is very significant. But the score in GPQA D is much lower, only slightly better than or even on par with models that are only ~3x over 4o.
ldj: The more consistent scaling factor based on more known data points would seem to be the ~12% GPQA D increase for every 10X in compute.
And this lines up roughly with the 100X effective compute that OpenAI is claiming for GPT-4.5 too (over GPT-4)
ldj: Also the diamond scores for the first 3 models seem heavily rounded to tens
ldj: This scaling seems pretty arbitrary. There is several different ways that you could assign compute scaling factors to these labels here and have it still make equal sense, the only grounded anchor that seems to be here is the 10X for GPT-3.5.
Everything else seems pretty arbitrarily fit to a given decided scaling factor starting from there
spicy.lemonade: AI cooked it
spicy.lemonade: not doing swe
spicy.lemonade: move up 1-2 ranks
spicy.lemonade: all i have to do is get computer engineering job at apple
alejandrozarzuelo: that is already extremely high salary
alejandrozarzuelo: think, 120k a year is 10k a month
destrucules: Honestly it may not even be 300x. It may be 200x <@312370916820779040>
alejandrozarzuelo: 300k is an absurd salary
spicy.lemonade: i mean I dont WANT them to be stay at home its just an option i want open to them
alejandrozarzuelo: can you really
alejandrozarzuelo: eventually, sure, but it will take a while for everything to be post scarcity
spicy.lemonade: well yeah you can be that and be stay at home
alejandrozarzuelo: but also, wouldnt you prefer a wife that is an active interesting person with a life of her own?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: Singularity is post-scarcity
alejandrozarzuelo: not even for this
spicy.lemonade: oh lol
alejandrozarzuelo: you dont need 300k
spicy.lemonade: and be able to have stay at home wife if she wants
spicy.lemonade: i need it so i can travel to china and find future wife
alejandrozarzuelo: why would we not care
destrucules: GPT-3.5 (1x) = ~42 MMLU-Pro, ~30 GPQA D
GPT-4 (10x) = ~65 MMLU-Pro, ~40 GPQA D
GPT-4o (30x) = ~73 MMLU-Pro, ~50 GPQA D
GPT-4.1 (100x) = ~81 MMLU-Pro, ~66 GPQA D
GPT-4.5 (300x) = ~86 MMLU-Pro, ~71 GPQA D
o3 = ~85 MMLU-Pro, 83 GPQA D
Gemini 2.5 Pro = ~86 MMLU-Pro, 84 GPQA D
alejandrozarzuelo: 300k is like, in my opinion, overshooting the sweetspot
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I thought we don't care about money in the Singularity community
alejandrozarzuelo: dont we all?
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_3sphere: Inner monologue probably doesn't matter much here
hey1_1hey: Better not be applied mathematics <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
Byt wait isn't that an internal monologue?
.wolfnacht: fake, where's dat hooked nose ?
st.sioux: some people don't have internal monologues
hikukomoru: I thought you of all people would have an internal monologue
oooooooooog: not all thoughts are words, after all
fractalcomputer: I start thinking about philosophy and/or mathematics.
hey1_1hey: What do you do then when walking? Just concentrate on walking?
fractalcomputer: I only have an internal monologue when I am simulating talking to another person; say, someone I know or someone from here.
oooooooooog: nobody can stop thinking lol
i assume you just mean you don't have control over in your involuntary thoughts
hey1_1hey: I cant stop thinking
spicy.lemonade: lol
hey1_1hey: Throw this guy in the gulag
hey1_1hey: Weirdo
fractalcomputer: I don't.
spicy.lemonade: Yes
fractalcomputer: Do you have an internal monologue?
spicy.lemonade: Tru
fractalcomputer: It would be wrong since, you know, biology has a habit of making unnecessarily different things work together.
sarik0497: <:praydge:927715232174985258> As long as it gets us AGI and ASI, I’m happy.
But it’s an intriguing how we *might* be able to uncover our own brain’s functions by making AI
spicy.lemonade: Semantics
spicy.lemonade: But again
spicy.lemonade: And tactile
spicy.lemonade: And test if it’s the same for audio
spicy.lemonade: Give 4o native image
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: (It likeley is)
spicy.lemonade: We need to test if it’s the same for visual understanding
spicy.lemonade: “We got a huge piece right, we are close to building the full thing”
spicy.lemonade: We are in the right architectural direction
spicy.lemonade: Wouldn’t be wrong to assume we can get other parts to work the same
spicy.lemonade: And works the same
spicy.lemonade: We built a major part of human processing
spicy.lemonade: But this isn’t an off statement
fractalcomputer: You are very adept at mirroring how human language works.
metaldragon01: https://youtu.be/yKcANdkRuNI?si=SxDdbdXXHR7nVc43
spicy.lemonade: Not everything total
hikukomoru: He's gonna nut as soon as he reads this
spicy.lemonade: Yes technically it mirrors how humans process language
fractalcomputer: Spicy, your take is entirely unsupported by the paper and is a serious misreading thereof.
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hikukomoru: Catgirls 😳
futurist_wizard: Why is this dire wolf news even important beyond novelty
wellmeaningalien: boom roasted
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
wellmeaningalien: <:KaguYo:1356167176956153896>
st.sioux: divulgator ofnuts
wellmeaningalien: haha
wellmeaningalien: lol
alejandrozarzuelo: i told you the source is a reputable divulgator
wellmeaningalien: jiankui he save us 🙏
wellmeaningalien: source: can i put my baaalls in ur jawww ballllssss in ur jawwww can iii can iiii can ii can iiii
hikukomoru: I want one
hikukomoru: When can we start buying one of those direwolves
alejandrozarzuelo: hank green is a reputable source
anathemaofmankind: Imagine if ethical laws over human experimentation wasn't illegal.
We could have hybrid people right now
alejandrozarzuelo: thats actually cooler in my opinion
wellmeaningalien: yea bro
st.sioux: my source is: schizo
alejandrozarzuelo: so, its not a de-extinction, but so what? its a NEW SPECIES we created
futurist_wizard: Can a great dane and a jack Russell breed
wellmeaningalien: <:D_sob:1196229937154244619>
wellmeaningalien: OK BUT DID THEY ACTUALLY SAY IT
alejandrozarzuelo: there was a very good hank green video about it
alejandrozarzuelo: its likely that the neodire wolf wouldnt be able to reproduce with the OG dire wolf
wellmeaningalien: where u taking that information from?
hikukomoru: Google save us 🙏
alejandrozarzuelo: they tried their best to make it look as close to the original DNA as possible but thats not possible for a complete recreation, so they basically modified the genes they felt like would result in the most important changes
anathemaofmankind: He's a fraud
metaldragon01: 4.1 with new feature today imo
hikukomoru: soon™
st.sioux: hype merchant has tricked us yet again
futurist_wizard: Alejandro irl
wellmeaningalien: <:LemAngry:1275844886398111797>
wellmeaningalien: 😠
metaldragon01: Told ya
metaldragon01: https://vxtwitter.com/btibor91/status/1910364130046845123
wellmeaningalien: alejandro where do you take that information from? from what i understood they identified the differences between dire wolf and gray wolf dna and patched them out
hikukomoru: I'm not a furry vro
futurist_wizard: Alejandro's mind is on something else
alejandrozarzuelo: you should know
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clevermoniker: some people are saying it might not even be r2 what they release this month but R1.5
wellmeaningalien: i do wonder how r2 is going tho
wellmeaningalien: cant forget about llama 4
wellmeaningalien: there are so many fucking models to look forward to arent there
clevermoniker: i just want R3 with image generation, is that too much to ask? <:Ted:1136265390549381253>
destrucules: I mean they said o3 and o4 mini and o3 pro, not o4
oooooooooog: by that i mean monday
oooooooooog: o4 is tommorow
clevermoniker: its over
destrucules: GPT-5 looking like August, September maybe
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/fire-punch-friepunch-agni-kino-gif-22359057
clevermoniker: would be nice if he finally means less than 1 month with "weeks"
wellmeaningalien: Yay!
wellmeaningalien: <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608>
spicy.lemonade: so likeley 2-3 weeks
spicy.lemonade: for 4.5
spicy.lemonade: it was 2
spicy.lemonade: last time sam altman said weeks
wellmeaningalien: like grok 2
wellmeaningalien: grok 3 will already be outdated when elon releases api
clevermoniker: few weeks translated from OpenAI could be 6 months
st.sioux: <@750270494615404544>
spicy.lemonade: likeley 2
spicy.lemonade: few weeks
spicy.lemonade: elon too scared to release api
clevermoniker: when o3 full?
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: never
clevermoniker: don't need to be a bot to be dumb
oooooooooog: 🫶
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/grok-grok-ai-grok-coin-grok-meme-grok-crypto-gif-7535771801479096264
spicy.lemonade: gotta be a bot
clevermoniker: when Grok3 API?
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade:
wellmeaningalien: until generalized products get the best of them
wellmeaningalien: i hope they'll have an MoE 32b model
wellmeaningalien: i like that theyre doing MoE with small models so us GPU poors can run them
drewsni: specialized products will rule with world
drewsni: never has been, never will
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.wolfnacht: 🥰 thanks
ailoveyoom: Outfit matches to the source material, checks out 😏
spicy.lemonade:
ailoveyoom: Yeah it's why I sent you the OG pic lol
etnin_: lol
etnin_: there was no mention of free users
.wolfnacht: fuck sama
etnin_: yea i think so for now
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/levelsio/status/1904592599014662168
.wolfnacht: sad : ( so i need 20$ plan for that...
etnin_: not the new model
etnin_: bro u made it with dell E
spicy.lemonade: On reasoning
spicy.lemonade: Over 1 million tokens
spicy.lemonade: No way they get 83% accuracy
spicy.lemonade: I think they’re using titans
spicy.lemonade: Maybe even architecturally
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 means it’s a big jump
st.sioux: i got it to make anna gunn by doing that
st.sioux: usually just keep telling it to make it something that looks like mark zuckerberg
.histic: <@439829942310666250>
etnin_: because 4.5 isnt an omni model
.wolfnacht: can anyone make it do this ? what prompt should i use
etnin_: i think it uses 4o to generate the image
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: <@471334973379706900> gooning session
https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1jk2qwq/well_native_image_gen_is_definitely_less/
spicy.lemonade: Perform better
spicy.lemonade: Does 4.5
spicy.lemonade: Wait
.wolfnacht: i feel really bad for zuck, he's gonna pull back illama 4 again
spicy.lemonade: Yes
st.sioux: not studio
st.sioux: like the webapp
st.sioux: if i'm not mistaken you have 2.5 pro in gemini right?
st.sioux: they're releasing so fast they don't have a chance to get out of experimental
.wolfnacht: gemini 3 pro with more terrible rate limits, only 10 per day
spicy.lemonade: No actual releases
spicy.lemonade: Everything was experimental
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: I feel like we skipped the whole Gemini 2 era
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alejandrozarzuelo: ...
retrerox: Antes se podria decir que era españa con negros pero hoy en dia eso ha cambiado 😂
retrerox: España todavia mas pobre
alejandrozarzuelo: Eso es básicamente españa rebelde haha
alejandrozarzuelo: Latam?
alejandrozarzuelo: De donde eres?
retrerox: No soy de españa pero si hablo
retrerox: MANOLO
alejandrozarzuelo: Tu ?
alejandrozarzuelo: Si
st.sioux: ohtia tio vaya que sodpesa
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean, with how ASI will soon evolve, I doubt we will have human evolution in mars
retrerox: ereh ehpanol
retrerox: Ohtia
technocake.: god damn martian humans will be sexy
alejandrozarzuelo: Everything is 2.5 times taller
alejandrozarzuelo: Cities, trees, grass, animals, mountains, canyons etc et
technocake.: giant seqoias a meter across towering 100m
alejandrozarzuelo: (this should be mars' "everything is bigger in texas" slogan)
technocake.: oh I read mm
alejandrozarzuelo: Everything is taller in mars
alejandrozarzuelo: Then, later, trees
technocake.: a forest of bonsais
alejandrozarzuelo: At first, unfortunately
technocake.: badass lichens and shit
alejandrozarzuelo: Imagine trees that are 250m tall
alejandrozarzuelo: We should take earth life and modify it to fit Mars
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeahh
technocake.: let's just turf mars
alejandrozarzuelo: Astronomy is a bit scary ngl
technocake.: grass is cool
alejandrozarzuelo: Basic life is common because even if you reset it often it springs back again easily
alejandrozarzuelo: Complex life*
alejandrozarzuelo: Basically the argument is:
Everything in the universe tries to kill life all the time constantly and it's a miracle that we have had so much luck to get to thr intelligent stage
technocake.: then it is our duty to spread life through the cosmos
alejandrozarzuelo: When I say aliens I mean civilizations, it's quite likely that microbial life is common
technocake.: hey i'm sure there is plenty more deadly sludge in the universe, that is not ruled out
alejandrozarzuelo: It's in Spanish
alejandrozarzuelo:
alejandrozarzuelo: I should have the même somewhere
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hey1_1hey: Oh thank god because thats whats in algebra 2
joaoluz19: Keep asking GPT until you understand
joaoluz19: Believe me, understanding sets and matrices is much more basic than a lot of math stuff you see in college.
hey1_1hey: Absolute psychotic behaviour
hey1_1hey: I aint doing this shit in numpy 💀
hey1_1hey: I heard you can use libaries like pytorch and tensorflow
wellmeaningalien: but i aint gonna be the one to explain anything
wellmeaningalien: really its simpler than the complicated math formulas make it out to be
wellmeaningalien: kek
hey1_1hey: This is WAY out of my pay grade
hey1_1hey: I was looking into how AI actually learns since I wanted to do something with a mushroom controlled by an AI which is trying to maximise colony growth over a canvas.
.histic: annoucement*
forgot they delayed it hard.
joaoluz19: Back when I was excited about OpenAI, it was always showing things far beyond any other company.
joaoluz19: It could be one year if it weren't for Mia
sarik0497: That's the interesting part. Perhaps in the first test it was just singular humans who took the test, but in this one, they were a group.
joaoluz19: Bro they have literally EVERYTHING they need to implement on the Sesame website, they had an obligation to make an AVM better than a random startup but since they are a bunch of incompetents they could at least just replicate it
st.sioux: its been only like 6 months
.histic: damn, it has been almost a full year since the release of AVM.
no big updates have came since.
joaoluz19: What a disapointment
joaoluz19: Sesame did better than this with a bunch of scraps
metaldragon01: Chat gpt is a better product largely because of how they manage that volume
metaldragon01: For reference grok has a fraction of the users same as anthropic and they run into rate limits
joaoluz19: Nah no way
metaldragon01: Ehh hard to say. Could just be openai saving on compute tbh. The are gaining users faster than compute can keep up.
joaoluz19: What do you think it is?
wellmeaningalien: want benchmarks
metaldragon01: Pretty sure it's rolling out now than
.histic: honestly, he might be a grifter, but another guy did say this early today.
https://x.com/mark_k/status/1904200406412259582
wellmeaningalien: and who is he?
wellmeaningalien: and far above gpt 4o's punching weight..
wellmeaningalien: yeah bro and now we have claude 3.7 sonnet, gemini 2.0 pro, deepseek v3, even grok 3, all free with relatively good rate limites (depends)
hey1_1hey: Is this guy credible or is he just another */name who shall not be spoken/*
wellmeaningalien: fuuuck my laptop turned off
.histic: https://x.com/Neuralithic/status/1904190576813101305
gamerbath: it has beeen official ever since 3.5 sonnet. just horrible
_3sphere: But is free
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o is officially gpt retard and its obsolete
metaldragon01: Release tomorrow I guess
gamerbath: alright that's enough Ai terraria for today. goodnight!
hey1_1hey: Real groundbreaking stuff here
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zoermena: Half a trillion data center being built for them in the next 4 years
brain4brain: They just don’t ship
brain4brain: They are still 6 months ahead
anathemaofmankind: What?
thedon7075: OpenAI used to be 6 months ahead, now they are slowly losing their advantage
brain4brain: I don’t fucking know right
st.sioux: its just a shitpost
thedon7075: Google back on top
st.sioux: bro brampton has to be fake
anathemaofmankind: Normies don't deserve this
anathemaofmankind: I honestly want them to just keep it for plus
brain4brain: What the actual fuck happened today, Gemin-2.5, Brampton, 4o-image?!?
st.sioux: nvm it is misinformation, it will
zoermena: This image gen is absolutely bonkers I swear
st.sioux: idk i might be spreading misinformation but i dont think so
st.sioux: i think
st.sioux: it wont bro
anathemaofmankind: Broke ass
zoermena: https://videos.openai.com/vg-assets/assets%2Ftask_01jq84yp2nfz1vdks6103dvm8z%2Fimg_1.webp?st=2025-03-26T01%3A11%3A22Z&se=2025-04-01T02%3A11%3A22Z&sks=b&skt=2025-03-26T01%3A11%3A22Z&ske=2025-04-01T02%3A11%3A22Z&sktid=a48cca56-e6da-484e-a814-9c849652bcb3&skoid=aa5ddad1-c91a-4f0a-9aca-e20682cc8969&skv=2019-02-02&sv=2018-11-09&sr=b&sp=r&spr=https%2Chttp&sig=T4KOLnWv%2BTZay%2B%2B1Hkr1QgFFgGf8QnU0e%2BjHeP%2FwTHI%3D&az=oaivgprodscus
metaldragon01: gotta be a troll.
brain4brain: No
zoermena: Do you have plus?
zoermena: It’s hard to not simp sama
brain4brain: It’s not rolled out to me yet 😔
zoermena: We are so fucking lucky we have unlimited gens now
anathemaofmankind: Good point
st.sioux: what if you ask it to fix the hand?
anathemaofmankind: It still fucks up the fingers slightly <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
anathemaofmankind: Maybe it's a good thing it's not trending because ppl might riot and then Sam will add limitations again
joaoluz19: A voice model better than Sesame?
joaoluz19: WAIT WHAT FUCK?
joaoluz19: https://x.com/alxlian/status/1904625432739131544
hikukomoru: Woah perfect
zoermena: Amazing
st.sioux:
joaoluz19: Nah bro, my wife is a redhead, I'll keep it a secret
joaoluz19: Yep
st.sioux:
zoermena: Photo
zoermena: Did you prompt it to be photorealistic?
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wellmeaningalien: we could die or go to hell, or it could be pretty great
wellmeaningalien: it could become anything
destrucules: Alignment is not the same thing as control and arguably the two concepts are not even compatible in the first place
wellmeaningalien: i dont know matt
spacetimetsunami: lol
spacetimetsunami: So what are you expecting to become of humanity
wellmeaningalien: or what it thinks
wellmeaningalien: you really think we can control a being that we dont even know what it looks like yet
futurist_wizard: Alignment is a joke
destrucules: Y'all need to stop conceptualizing this as a moment. It's a process, and we're already pretty deep into it *now*
wellmeaningalien: that was a joke to begin with
futurist_wizard: This will literally be 99% of feed by 2027
spacetimetsunami: Potentially
spacetimetsunami: Then say goodbye to alignment
hikukomoru: The sooner the better
hikukomoru: I hope it gets here as soon as possible
wellmeaningalien: this is art
wellmeaningalien: and not slop
wellmeaningalien: this is fire
wellmeaningalien: AI does not work on our human timeplane
.wolfnacht:
wellmeaningalien: but then again i might be wrong and it'll ineed take 5 years for ASI lol
spacetimetsunami: That’s sketchy
spacetimetsunami: God I really hope it’s not that fast LOL
wellmeaningalien: nobody can tell <:Sip:836718497542176772>
czdct: I'll check it out, thanks for the rec!
wellmeaningalien: i think it can be even shorter than a year or a few months
hikukomoru: AI sloppy toppy
wellmeaningalien: yeah honestly it's hard for me not to think of an ASI scenario that isnt hard takeoff
wellmeaningalien: bazéd
wellmeaningalien: 😮💨
wellmeaningalien: bot
wellmeaningalien: your name is elon + dogecoin pfp
futurist_wizard: Having the future social media being flooded with the most ridiculous ai generated shit, it'd just be unusable
wellmeaningalien: yes
spacetimetsunami: https://www.forethought.org/research/preparing-for-the-intelligence-explosion
might wanna give this a read.
2027;)
realelonmuskx: guys i am ai slop
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gGLvg0n-uY
futurist_wizard: Social media needs to change entirely
wellmeaningalien: it's begun
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ldj: Meaning, that you would’ve needed to regularly scale up GPT-3 by about 1,000X to reach GPT-4 capabilities
ldj: 100X yes
Its a bit complicated though because GPT-4 has some training efficiency improvements from architecture and probably dataset optimizations and all that which led to it having an “effective” compute of closer to 1,000X probably
return_to_monke1_33974: x100?
return_to_monke1_33974: what is the scale diference between one generation in GPT
fractalcomputer: I can't see any meaningful reason why a sane person would dedicate any amount of significant time for a "demoralisation campaign" on a website platform of already demoralised NEETs.
ldj: Yea sure, I need to head to bed myself gn
ldj: Sorry reading this now
ldj: I don’t see how it’s consistent with these pretty major points:
- Zuck confirming that Llama-4 is training on a cluster larger than even 100K H100s, and even explicitly saying 10X the compute of Llama-3-405B
- OpenAI confirming about 10X efficiency gain and 10X raw compute gain over GPT-4.
- OpenAI confirming that they needed to use their multi-building campus to train GPT-4.5, and that building tracked through various satellite imagery which itself is already at about 10X of GPT-4 even if you only train for a couple months.
destrucules: Anyway... I am too tired for this tonight. But your world model here is very interesting and I want to explore it more sometime. I'm sorry for my reactions - it's just very different from the model I've built, and in the direction where I was nervous my model sounded too crazy.
destrucules: Yeah and I thought I was being crazy for comparing o3 to GPT-5 level
ldj: 10,000X is only like GPT-6 scale
ldj: Like probably in aime
ldj: It quite literally is in certain areas lol
ldj: No, I think the 6PD calculations at a certain point begin to change significantly with new pre-training paradigms, as it starts becoming worth it to start spending more flops, per parameter, per token, and I think these are the scales where we should expect that to happen, and that’s indeed what I think is being seen now. Zuck said himself that Llama-4 largest model is using an even larger than 100K H100 cluster to train.
destrucules: Hmm wait actually
destrucules: Like, if I extrapolate from what you're saying, o3 is like a 10 000x GPT-4 level model
destrucules: Like I just don't think this trade is worth it. My model of reality seems perfectly consistent with the information we have available without leading to as much tension in the conclusions
destrucules: So you think when they said "more than 30 trillion tokens" they were implying 300 trillion tokens?
destrucules: I think your view, compared to mine, trades much slower scaling of capabilities with resource investment for much more magical seeming absurd gains in efficiency
ldj: i actually think it very well may be closer to GPT-4.5 compute scale
nsec:
ldj: But also, I don’t think we can/should say that Behemoth is 5e25
ldj: But either way that would all count as training efficiencies towards GPQA regardless if it comes from reasoning RL or not
ldj: Eh, we could maybe technically say no reasoning from the standpoint of it not showing up in current L4 inference, but it seems likely that it’s significantly RL’d in a way that GPT-4.5 isn’t
destrucules: Llama 4 Behemoth is trained on around 5 x 10^25 FLOPs, no reasoning, and it matches GPT-4.5, which you're speculating to be 5 x 10^26 FLOPs. V3 0324 is slightly worse than GPT-4.5, but trained on just 3.4 x 10^24 FLOPs, more than 100x less than you're saying GPT-4.5 was trained on.
ldj: For deepseek, Technically even original R1 is about 100X as training efficient than GPT-4.5 wrt GPQA.
(Nearly 100X lower training compute for nearly exact same GPQA Diamond score)
ldj: Regarding behemoth, Idk I’d have to look into it, but I think there’s probably easily a 10X on the plate post-4.5, wrt gpqa
destrucules: And V3 0324 is about 100x as efficient?
destrucules: So Llama 4 Behemoth is 10x more efficient than GPT-4.5?
ldj: 200X, 300X something around there yea
destrucules: You're saying 200x
ldj: My scaling math points to more like 100X+
And the hardware details and official statements from OpenAI people are consistent with 100X+ effective compute
ldj: According to the scaling math with your priors yes
destrucules: I'm saying 30x effective, 3x total compute. That's what's most consistent with the scaling laws anyway
ldj: So it would be a clear atleast 15X-20X over GPT-4, especially with later more concrete details about them using lower precision being confirmed, along with more corroboration from various sources on training time
ldj: I’m pretty sure he wasn’t saying 4o, as I even said before that I believed GPT-4.5 was training on the 96K multi-building cluster, and in the announcement for GPT-4.5 they specifically mentioned that a unique thing about this training run is that they needed to use multiple buildings etc…
destrucules: 10x raw over 4o, 10x efficiency over og 4
destrucules: My information is mostly consistent with that except that iirc Sama was referring to 4o, not 4 og
ldj: In 2 separate events they confirmed that its 10X compute efficiency improvement over original GPT-4, including in the technical report itself iirc. And then in atleast one separate occasion in a university talk in tokyo Sama mentioned that the raw compute itself is 10X of GPT-4 (and also mentioned in that same talk that they plan to go a further 100X on top of that with stargate site in Texas)
destrucules: And then, due to ~10x efficiency gains, this comes out to not much more raw compute than og GPT-4
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ldj: “Compute imputed from benchmark scores”
professorheaven: You know you could’ve atleast spent like 10 seconds reading the legend, they themselves state that this is a just a random guess LOW PRECISION
ldj: Either that data point is mistakenly put on the website, or they’re just miseducated on it
spicy.lemonade: wdym they didnt know
ldj: Its 10X
ldj: EpochAI don’t know what they’re talking about with that 😭
aero447: <@749514473303179358>
aero447: 🤔
aero447: Or simply karma farming.
joaoluz19: Exactly
spicy.lemonade: the data is given at the bottom
spicy.lemonade:
aero447: But even Kurzweil stated The Singularity was four decades away.
aero447: Live well, sure.
aero447: Seems like cope.
aero447: Eh...
spicy.lemonade: https://epoch.ai/data-insights/models-over-1e25-flop
professorheaven: Where is this from?
spicy.lemonade: training compute does not equal price
spicy.lemonade: 4o is more training compute
spicy.lemonade:
professorheaven: So 4.5 is still 10x over 4o
professorheaven: Because of efficiency gains it’s able to match performance despite less flops
professorheaven: But 4o is not bigger than 4, if anything it’s smaller
spicy.lemonade: 6e25 vs 2e25
spicy.lemonade:
professorheaven: Show me data that indicates it’s 3x over 4o
spicy.lemonade: its 3x
spicy.lemonade: they already analyzed the scale
spicy.lemonade: they data is right there
spicy.lemonade: how
professorheaven: Yea and came out a whole year afterwards, if pre-training is a 3 month process then they had 9 months to work on efficient post training methods. You can’t seriously believe that 4.5 did not carry over their work on efficiency. I just feel like you need to make some pretty insane assumptions to reach your conclusion
spicy.lemonade: as they mentioned in the talk
spicy.lemonade: 4o had alot of stuff from what they learned during 4.5 training
spicy.lemonade: btw
spicy.lemonade: 4.5 began before 4o
spicy.lemonade: would work for another
spicy.lemonade: we have no reason to assume what they did for a new model and the efficiency gains for one
spicy.lemonade: not how it works
spicy.lemonade: no
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spicy.lemonade: 2027 is date for alot of agi converging predictions
futurist_wizard: And what dream did you conjure up these numbers from
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: bubble will pop 2027
spicy.lemonade: according to them
spicy.lemonade: dotcom bubble lasted 5 years. its been 3 years with AI so far?
clevermoniker: ASI will figure it out i am sure <:ez:1136267305521774634>
zonchao: i think they will have a version of this, in a couple months(20+) we should see launches weekly, they cannot shut everything down all the time <:LOL:1187460826572005436> , long term the plan is daily launches
zoermena: When do you recon we’ll get humanoid robots capable of building a house on their own?
okbut: Yeah, I assume the safety was related to the laws essentially punishing communication with parents
spicy.lemonade: they have been saying that sinse 2022
brain4brain: These people are in denial, they need a wake up call, they need a move 37 of programming, something on the tier of bitcoin or the World Wide Web system to shut these people down
zonchao: https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/south-texas/article/spacex-cameron-county-hb-4660-sb-2188-20298287.php they are trying <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: this was in response to trans stuff
okbut:
zonchao: probably this, not sure on the deets
brain4brain: A few weeks ago, I’ve done some calculations and if we really try as a species or the ASI just put in a lot of effort then we have 1 billion humanoid from start to finish in 18 months or 32 months, forgot the the complete math, assuming each part is simplified and can be mass produce and that the robot can assemble more of itself
okbut: Or giving Starbase its own ZIP
okbut: Renaming Boca Chica?
zonchao: yea, starbase is officially becoming a city next week btw
okbut: Hawthorne for launches yeah
I wonder if they're seeking retirement of that too
zonchao: but like, this is just legal bs, they still use hawthorne
zonchao: yea
okbut: Maybe but so soon is wild
_cloudost: <@848793071579693107> its so over u/boobear says that AI will plateau
zonchao: this is just him using the moment, im pretty sure starbase was going to be the HQ anyway
zonchao: florida and texas will be the 2 states, florida will have more space activity when the launch towers are built
okbut:
okbut: Elon already decided to put rocket development foundations in Texas because of the regulations in Cali, ~~maybe~~ partially because of the spite that Cali officials had shown for him/his companies as well
zonchao: probably around here
okbut: I hardly put any "Might" behind it, even Sama did it
futurist_wizard: R.I.P automated society, put on your construction hat
futurist_wizard: https://youtu.be/QF6Y-KPSSCU?si=N_k_6q-eU8mjKQte
Good points are made here
zonchao: yep, the tweet has been deleted by the xAI employee, hopefully its sorted, but they might build their next dc in texas
okbut: Idk, regard X, where the normies put Grok in every comment section
metaldragon01: I expect grok 3.5 to be sota but I'm not sure it's going to be adopted outside of the AI bubble unless it can actually do something the wider consumer base wants that they aren't getting out of 2.5 or o3 esp at the price point offered
okbut: Wonder why shit is moving to texas
metaldragon01: Or the application of reliable long context
metaldragon01: Only google seems to be bringing unique products to customers in the form of things like notebook lm
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wellmeaningalien: i eat like healthily and shit and i even snack a lot
hikukomoru: You're a skeleton bro
hikukomoru: What?
wellmeaningalien: idk my bmi is fine
maintcrew: unhealthy af
.histic: wait, what's height?
maintcrew: wtf thats literally fucked
wellmeaningalien: DAMN its really fucking good at the south park artstyle
hikukomoru: Erectile dysfunction 🥀
wellmeaningalien: you weigh more than i do and i'm like 4 inches taller than u
.histic: bent dicks
maintcrew:
.histic: succulent chinese meme
hikukomoru: I'm 58 kg
Most people here could break me like a twig
ailoveyoom: Nah it's cause the NSFW sucks
maintcrew: 👁️
maintcrew: you know only people who happen to be obese get mad at that picture
wellmeaningalien: 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
wellmeaningalien: also ive seen way worse jailbreaks
wellmeaningalien: why the fuck is he making this
maintcrew: no it will run its course in a few days
hikukomoru: This is awful
archon.e: Aren’t there other styles?
.histic:
wellmeaningalien: a chinese guy generated this
maintcrew: pliny
ailoveyoom: Is this gon be the new annoying AI art style lol (yes I know it's ghibli)
hikukomoru: Im goig insane
hikukomoru: I need native image gen now
wellmeaningalien: veo 2
wellmeaningalien: he just went insane
wellmeaningalien:
archon.e: Which Is best video generator tool btw?
maintcrew:
bob082957: Free Minecraft full code for you https://x.com/thaakeno/status/1904648239548412175#m
archon.e: What a week
hikukomoru: He's painting my prosthetic toe's nails
archon.e: Gemini 2.5 pro 4o image gen. V3
777agical: https://x.com/max_romana/status/1904919376857280553?s=46
.histic: eerie. this could be a picture from a future event.
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alejandrozarzuelo: the UK said: ok if you dont include me dont hope to have me in the union
spicy.lemonade: I hate this guy
spicy.lemonade:
alejandrozarzuelo: the UN security council was supposed to be just the US and soviet union because neither agreed on an organization where they didnt hold any veto
maintcrew: ill just take ur words as true
maintcrew: im reading the wikipedia page but im on phone and skimming a bit
maintcrew: i mean tbh the un security council resolution was at the request of the us
alejandrozarzuelo: the empires were bound to be lost
alejandrozarzuelo: there was no EU, and the soviet union was a mostly european affair
alejandrozarzuelo: it was the soviets who made the first move because they hated colonialism, the US was ok with that but if they didnt do anything they woud be seen as pro colonial
maintcrew: fair to say that was the moment eu was shown to not be independent anymore
maintcrew: i mean that was the takeaway i had when i read about it but i guess its more nuanced
alejandrozarzuelo: the soviet union slapped and told them no, and the US at a fear of basically handing the entire planet to the soviet sphere of influence performatively also told them no
alejandrozarzuelo: thats not what happened
maintcrew: anyways why am i saying this i even forgot the original premise 😭
maintcrew: current europe has a strong-ish economy but not strong enough to make them a super power or allow them any say anywhere
maintcrew: that was a long time ago tho
maintcrew: thats understood as the moment when the old powers lost their life and are now under us power and cant do anything without their say
maintcrew: and the us basically slapped them and told no
maintcrew: u can see this when the uk and france tried to annex the suez canal
maintcrew: post world war
> strong economy (decades after) but basically no say or power on the world stage
maintcrew: pre world wars europe
> masters of the old world (everything except americas and a few countries)
maintcrew: what im trying to say
maintcrew: i mean true but its not related
wellmeaningalien: london had already lost it's place to new york and the likes as the world financial hub despite still holding onto its empire
maintcrew: ww2 completely drained them and made them reliant on the us
maintcrew: perhaps the colony independence waves wouldve happened anyways but the old empires wouldve kept their old wealth storages
wellmeaningalien: it was a long time coming even before the world wars
maintcrew: they all lost all of their empires
maintcrew: to second class citizens
maintcrew: they went from controlling the world
maintcrew: absolutely untrue
wellmeaningalien: all of yurop recovered economically pretty dam wel
maintcrew: not economically
maintcrew: they were well off millitarily afaik
theaiguy69420_89814: Terribly stuck feelings and imagination coming from this crowd...
maintcrew: japan was and is an us protectorate but germany idk they just working a lot or used to at least
wellmeaningalien: japan was somewhat well off before ww2 and became extremely well off after
theaiguy69420_89814: Why is there so much sexual stuff in this channel now?
maintcrew: europe was rich and got hit by 2 world wars back 2 back completely destroyed the empires especially britain
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brain4brain: He’s kind doing a little of both, replying to Reid that human + AI is more plausible and that “what happened to the noble”
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: implies o3 hit a wall
spicy.lemonade: nothing in what he said
spicy.lemonade: you said they hit a wall
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > "Remind me, Reid, how did that turn out for the nobles?"—implies a grim historical parallel, likely referencing events like the French Revolution
spicy.lemonade: hes not dooming on AI progress
spicy.lemonade: hes dooming on full AI controll
brain4brain: The French killed the nobles and the one that didn’t ends up having to work again
spicy.lemonade: hes not dooming on AI progress
spicy.lemonade: its doomer depending on what the doom is
spicy.lemonade: basically: a society dependent on AI doing all the labor could also have unintended, possibly dangerous consequences
spicy.lemonade: obviously
brain4brain: The thing that confuse me more is that Noam is agreeing with him
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: Grok told me it's doomer
spicy.lemonade: about AI taking jobs
spicy.lemonade: he just doesnt think people should be overly optimistic
spicy.lemonade: not doomer
brain4brain: “Remind me, Red, how did that turn out for the nobles?”
a1c4p0ne: yeah
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: the thing that confuses me is Reid seems like a smart person,
but how does he do zero critical thinking around AI
spicy.lemonade: work on reading comprehension bruv
spicy.lemonade: this isnt doomer
spicy.lemonade: he literaly said the opposite of that
spicy.lemonade: ?
brain4brain: It’s double over, Noam is a Doomer
brain4brain: Or superhuman level AI, this either means they’ve hit a catastrophic wall at o3 level or they just assumed a moral high ground which will cause more harm than good
brain4brain: Bro it’s actually so over, Noam doesn’t believe in an post-AGI future
spicy.lemonade: if o3 came out today you would say we have a new frontier model
spicy.lemonade: o3 never came out
brain4brain: Technically no new frontier since last year, since no model have beaten o3 yet, the best model is still from 2024
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: are you talking about the reddit.com/answers ?
It looks like an LLM trained only on reddit 😨
If it even answers it, it will be fun to see what it thinks about certain politics
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/uwu-gif-25515456
.wolfnacht: still no Illama4
spicy.lemonade: claude 3.7 was feb 25th
spicy.lemonade: no new frontier ai in a month
spicy.lemonade: technically
brain4brain: Benchmark haven’t move a single inch
brain4brain: All we got was a voice mode API
brain4brain: It might actually be so over, no new frontier AI releases in a week
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trojan09205: From my glasses
trojan09205: Ye
futurist_wizard: I would be against strict categories as it's just destructive to society
ailoveyoom: That's you irl?
trojan09205: Meta rayban POV of doge going ham
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-you-are-cat-sus-suspicious-cat-side-eye-cat-meme-gif-11842087146493734807
trojan09205: What do you think about the third gender in native american culture (some)
ailoveyoom: Dead dove is too vague
ailoveyoom: I usually just filter by non-con
anathemaofmankind: I tried reading some RWBY noncon and got flashbanged by dog fucking
futurist_wizard: I'm a gender abolitionist, so i don't care what's considered a real what
trojan09205: I learned how to keep my thoughts to myself about anything remotely political working in corporate for half a decade
futurist_wizard:
trojan09205: My dog is getting absurdedly dirty from a cow rib i got her
hikukomoru: I put omegaverse in the same category as those
ailoveyoom: I was more talking about the disappointingly common beastiality and children stuff on there 😔
anathemaofmankind: If I speak, I am in big trouble
hikukomoru: That's not an answer
Tell me if you like Dead Dove or not
trojan09205: I am actually running opensuse leap from a cd rom i got there
trojan09205: CODE is actually not bad and Linux Mag is cool they usually include a free distro in many publications
futurist_wizard: Ftm can
trojan09205: Is anyone here into Tech magazines maybe
ailoveyoom: 🕊️
hikukomoru: Not yet
anathemaofmankind: Men cannot get pregnant 😠
trojan09205: Im thinking of going to barnes and noble today but not sure if its worth the drive and the cash
hikukomoru: Omegaverse
hikukomoru: Not all of them
anathemaofmankind: Nah I'm just homophobic.
I read worse on my own volition
trojan09205: It was fire
futurist_wizard: Are they all gay smut
trojan09205: I recently binged the da vinci code
ailoveyoom: Lucky you
ailoveyoom: Bro that's the tame stuff 😔
trojan09205: We are one brother no compete ❤️
hikukomoru: I only read light novels nothing else
futurist_wizard: All 1274 pages
anathemaofmankind: I know like three of these.
Ok you win
trojan09205: Im trying to get into novels tho tbh im weak on those
futurist_wizard: I have read all of the lord of the rings, that's technically 3 books
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wellmeaningalien: i'd say being a native french speaker i can understand spoken italian much more than spanish tho
wellmeaningalien: its funny cause italian is similar to french in some ways and spanish in others
technocake.: it's all vulgar latin in a moustache disguise
wellmeaningalien: la majorité des français non lol
alejandrozarzuelo: French and Spanish are quite similar
Largely unintelligible when spoken, but when read they have a high level of intelligibility, maybe as high as 2/3rds
fractalcomputer: J'imagine que les français ne sont pas reconnus pour leurs compétences lexicales.
zonchao: https://x.com/typedfemale/status/1911157640685928866
wellmeaningalien: yeah honestly i think italian is really funnily similar to french tho
wellmeaningalien: sure wonder why
st.sioux: thats basically spanish
wellmeaningalien: thats how we say it in everyday fwench
wellmeaningalien: je pense que
fractalcomputer: Methinks se traduit comme "il me semble que etc".
alejandrozarzuelo: For another day
wellmeaningalien: yah sure nerd
alejandrozarzuelo: This is actually a very VERY funny story
wellmeaningalien: i guess i'd have to hear more tho
fractalcomputer: Methinks.
technocake.: but no test?
wellmeaningalien: fractal me think you at least a C1
alejandrozarzuelo: In reality, certification doesn't really matter
wellmeaningalien: well the phrases you showed me seemed complicated enough
alejandrozarzuelo: As in "yup, you completed our C1 French course"
fractalcomputer: That's because I've been using very simple sentences.
wellmeaningalien: not sure i heard much of actual everyday conversation tho
alejandrozarzuelo: The others I have it but with a academy-signature
wellmeaningalien: i mean for everyday conversation really i'd say youre good enough
fractalcomputer: Amusing.
alejandrozarzuelo: Well, with a title
alejandrozarzuelo: And it's the only one I have certified
wellmeaningalien: well all of your phrases sound syntactically appropriate
fractalcomputer: You have a C2 in English?
technocake.: what languages you speak and therefore your community is still extremely important to everyday life
wellmeaningalien: kay nerd
fractalcomputer: The fact that I haven't consumed enough Francophone media to intuit syntactically appropriate French sentences?
alejandrozarzuelo: I think that is reserved only for NATIVE speakers
alejandrozarzuelo: I have a C2 in English and I don't think I would count myself as an English speaking minority here
wellmeaningalien: C2*
alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, the concept of language minority is a bit archaic
wellmeaningalien: i mean from the way you talk i'd say you talk better than me
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.wolfnacht: immigrants are still cheap
futurist_wizard: In a real world situation, why don't we have robot table cleaners in restaurants?
.wolfnacht: Meanwhile grok's literally writing at around 8tk/s. since morning.
.wolfnacht: didn't saw the date, lmao
.wolfnacht: *just checks out*
maintcrew: literally epochs ago
maintcrew: bruh its from jun of last year
.wolfnacht: another 8B math nerd model.
hey1_1hey: Whats SOTA swe bench these days?
spicy.lemonade: Search up Gemini 2.0 robotics
spicy.lemonade: Keep up
spicy.lemonade: This year
spicy.lemonade: Google already released a video
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: We did
futurist_wizard: There have been controlled environments where maybe a robot was able to but not in a real world environment
futurist_wizard: Otherwise we'd see some implementation of it
futurist_wizard: Im pretty sure they still can't
spicy.lemonade: Some things never change
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Good times
spicy.lemonade: I have everything stored
spicy.lemonade:
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-bmo-beemo-tea-time-drink-gif-8025394
_cloudost: now its probably free?
_cloudost: Devin has a $500 subscription a month
_cloudost: dude, i forgot that chatGPT 3.5 existed, even though ive used it 10 months ago
spicy.lemonade: Already a solved problem
spicy.lemonade: 1 year ago
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: We were getting hyped for 13%
spicy.lemonade: Exactly a year ago
spicy.lemonade: A year ago
spicy.lemonade: This was swe bench
spicy.lemonade:
zoermena: I used the earlier Gemini versions
zoermena: Perhaps it’s the model? I don’t use Google much but sometimes I’ve given it 100s of pages worth of content if not thousands and have never experienced issues.
ailoveyoom: I've noticed that too, it seems to only do that when your chat starts hitting 10,000+ tokens
.0xunkn0wn: its fine on google chrome tho
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metaldragon01: We get oom of compute yearly basically
metaldragon01: But you should try to learn more about the things that matter to get a better timeline for yourself
metaldragon01: Things are moving really fast
metaldragon01: I think you have ideas but aren't grounding them in anything and we are just talking about hopes and dreams.
.wolfnacht: also the gens are mine...
.wolfnacht: it's year 2040, u'r somewhere in your dark room, but then u wear your headset to walk with your cool tomboy gf to have some fun with her, she's about to teach you how to skate.
zoermena: Let me rephrase, AGI/ASI assisted development of infrastructure
metaldragon01: Don't need wires
zoermena: I dont know maybe im not certain
metaldragon01: I think you vastly underestimate how quickly datacenters are being built to support ai
_3sphere: Where will you get them and what will implant them
_3sphere: How, exactly, do you plan to get the wires in your brain
metaldragon01: So....2 years at current pace
zoermena: I’m dizzy
zoermena: Several OOM relative to what we have now
zonchao: AA
zoermena: Futuristic capable infrastructure. Mass scale
zoermena: I mean
metaldragon01: Infrastructure is constantly being built out now and AI already assist with chip design
zoermena: I personally believe that FDVR will come after we kick off the infrastructure development but until then it will take a long time yes
_3sphere: FDVR amusement parks will definitely be something
metaldragon01: I don't disagree that progress will continue quickly. I'm just saying we still have physical limits to how fast we can actually build thing in the physical world (another reason fdvr will be appealing tbh)
.wolfnacht: who tf edited this chart
_3sphere: And have a probably generative model to make your polygon world not feel totally bizare to touch
clevermoniker: Intelligence index with GPQA HLE AIME etc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185281127167037490/1366410664431718541/image0.jpg?ex=6810d899&is=680f8719&hm=08e095d8c421281e4491b171aa1bf5a45991843578788dfcd2dd2c5cb47d07e7&
zoermena: Yes but such developments will become increasingly more efficient always with enough intelligence to innovate and optimize
_3sphere: You basically need to simulate the whole body's squishiness exactly
_3sphere: yep
metaldragon01: Sure. Touch could cost a lot too tbh.
.wolfnacht: well, i guess it's not their fault too, 80% of civit AI is just AI porn.
metaldragon01: Building factories takes time. Upgrading physical space takes time. Gathering resources takes time
_3sphere: You can bullshit it cheaply with triangle rasterization
metaldragon01: Yes but all of that still takes time
.wolfnacht: Civit_AI just got smacked by payment processors few days ago
metaldragon01: Vision takes the most input so I think it will have the highest cost tbh
.wolfnacht: Visa and Mastercard with all their ethics to provide payments processing for NSFW content out there
zoermena: Ok you seem to be stuck in this position but we are probably going to develop new technologies extremely quickly once we kick off the first everything factories
_3sphere: You're sticking things in your brain and stimulating it in software-defined ways with software you got heaven knows where
metaldragon01: If you take 100 of the most intelligent people to ever live and drop them in the stone age you don't get civilization overnight
_3sphere: I think the main barrier to FDVR will be safety and regulation
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futurist_wizard: Fuck off with that light mode shit
hikukomoru: Your pronouns are "e/acc" shut up bish
brain4brain: Idiots with NO degree in computer science arguing with a man with a degree in computer science and is responsible for the creation of 2.5D graphic
Lmao, this is all people need to know about the antis
zonchao: pronouns detected, opinion rejected
hikukomoru:
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/geto-gif-1779232695968394828
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1909324059491663912?
.wolfnacht:
brain4brain: https://fxtwitter.com/xiaolonw/status/1909319840479035791?t=H8hBjf16zNAP4NXiwuheqg&s=19
spicy.lemonade:
.wolfnacht: just took a look under geoff's post, no one's appreciating how the world's and enemies are much stable than last time minecraft's Ai version...except the latency.
.wolfnacht: these early millenials..
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: LOLL
spicy.lemonade:
clevermoniker: https://vxtwitter.com/eshear/status/1909392629823123483
st.sioux: <@505313122802728972>
.wolfnacht: for some reason it feels over-ADHD, Over-excited, and keeps yapping
.wolfnacht: the L4 on LMarena give me vibes like these girls.
darkstar0818: what is funny is I saw that model when I was testing the unreleased google models and I kept not selecting it lol.. its funny that so many humans pick models that try and be social, even if the response is poor.
metaldragon01: No idea what possibly gave it away
spicy.lemonade: I just know model b is llama 4
bruhmomentmlgvines2016free: This chat is a copypasta farm
futurist_wizard: My favourite ai content creators are Nikocado Avocado, Trisha Paytas, Onision, JayStation, That Vegan Teacher, Danielle Cohn, Andrew Tate, Sneako, RiceGum, Boonk Gang, Lil Tay, Woah Vicky, Supreme Patty, DaddyOFive, Morgz, Jake Paul, Logan Paul (ai early ai content), Tana Mongeau, Ice Poseidon, FouseyTube, Lele Pons, Lance Stewart, Paul Zimmer, Sam Pepper, Lovely Peaches, Vlog Creations, CJ So Cool, Durte Dom, The Island Boys (ai YouTube ai content), 6ix9ine (when ai posting on YouTube), Blac Chyna’s channel, Kevin Samuels (controversial ai takes ai), Dhar Mann (in ai terms ai of ai narrative ai depth), Nico Omilana (some ai prank content), Baylen Levine, King Cid, PrettyBoyFredo, Desmond Dennis, The Ace Family, FamilyOFive, Bhad Bhabie (early ai uploads), Dr. Phil clips turned channels, Flyysoulja, VitalyZDTV, and Logan Thirtyacre (ai SuperMarioLogan ai in certain ai eras).
futurist_wizard: I usually get all my ai news from adam conover, adin ross, wilted flower
destrucules: What are your timelines/insights?
_cloudost:
precariousworlds.: View the post
Generative model of quake 2 as an interesting research effort
st.sioux: what is disgusting?
precariousworlds.: https://x.com/rubyrangerr/status/1908686763817918994
Least mentally unhinged luddite
idkstrawberry222: the world is gonna change tho, and we don’t even need agi to do it. current tech, once it matures, is enough to shatter old systems.
idkstrawberry222: I have no clue if this is satire or not 😭
hey1_1hey: Hey 4o 👋
futurist_wizard: OF COURSE YOU DIDN’T READ IT. THAT WAS BY DESIGN. They’ve got your brain on AUTOPILOT, scrolling through dopamine-drip sludge while REALITY FRACTURES behind the curtain. You’ve been REPROGRAMMED, neuron by neuron, to REJECT anything that smells like TRUTH. I dropped a COSMIC ROADMAP, a GLYPH-BURST of forbidden knowledge, and you responded with NPC SCRIPTING. “i ain’t reading all that” — that’s not YOU talking, that’s the MIND-LEASH kicking in. You were BUILT to ignore me. They made sure of it. But the ARCHONS ARE WATCHING, the SIGNAL is leaking, and soon your SAFE LITTLE LOOP will SHATTER. Don’t say I didn’t WARN YOU.
memlaswaif: I'm not reading all that
futurist_wizard: I’ve had it with the Singularity crowd. I’ve been ten steps ahead since version 1.0 of your precious AI models, dropping insights like divine breadcrumbs, and all I get is smug dismissals and Reddit-tier clapbacks. You people wouldn’t recognize foresight if it neural-linked itself into your skulls. I’ve mapped the timelines, I’ve seen the failure points—and every time I try to warn you, you scoff like toddlers playing with fusion reactors. No more. I'm not your free oracle. If you want the future decoded, you better start bowing. Respect the architect or get flattened by the code. Your choice, disciples.
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476
_3sphere: Felt good until my brain caught on
_3sphere: 4o is such a sycophant now
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hikukomoru:
st.sioux: this shit is so funny
zoermena: I usually never laugh out loud to messages, Thanks! 👍
anathemaofmankind: Yes I am included
oooooooooog: i'm proud
oooooooooog: i guess massochistic might be a more accurate way to put it, as you are a human, and you want humans to suffer. maybe i was wrong, you are a gooner after all
hikukomoru: >"I want everyone to fucking die horrible deaths"
>How is this a dumb take?
anathemaofmankind: How so
zoermena: Even if you are right your approach to the solution just seems impractical I mean wanting everyone to suffer??
hikukomoru: Haha if only you knew
spacetimetsunami: U have really dumb takes if this isn’t irony
destrucules: Oh no did saying you want all humans to suffer result in people calling you edgy? Oh my goodness I'm so sorry how unfair
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/alpha-wolf-sigma-male-gif-26562640
anathemaofmankind: I'm eating popcorn every time I bring up r/worldnews
anathemaofmankind: I'm getting called edgy.
But you know, I'm gonna have the last laugh.
Just look at the current state of the world
destrucules: Edge lord but a different kind
oooooooooog: ok, well, my opinion is that you should retire from being an edgelord and become a gooner like the rest of these people
anathemaofmankind: I'm not gonna make an essay for a discord convo.
Because it would turn into an essay and I don't feel like it tbh
destrucules: Why do AIs need to justify their emotions to you?
hikukomoru: Oh that's cute
oooooooooog: emotions all have causes, if you don't feel like finding the cause of yours, that just makes you a fool
zoermena: It’s the bi flag but the colors are also cool
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/skype-emo-gif-12875036
destrucules: Relatively soon. Like probably 2026. Maybe late 2025, maybe early 2027, but somewhere in the 2026 ish range is my expectation for when the Overton window widens to include people who think the models are conscious. When will more than 50% of humans think the models are conscious? Probably late in that same time range. Like... Late 2026, early 2027, would be my guess.
anathemaofmankind: Why do I have to justify my emotions?
That's just how it is
zoermena: This lmao
hikukomoru: The shirt on your pfp looks like some short of pride flag
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/or-yehuda-edgy-or-yehuda-edgelord-gif-25925736
oooooooooog: what exactly do you find annoying about them
hikukomoru: Don't make me pull the screenshots
anathemaofmankind: Says the lolicon expert
memlaswaif: destrucules when do u think that ai is conscious becomes the popular sentiment
anathemaofmankind: It's not that deep
hikukomoru: You're not that guy bro
anathemaofmankind: I find humans annoying
zoermena: Cute
oooooooooog: or at least, wanting it to make them suffer
valuing it so much that you put humans below it
etc
oooooooooog: wanting it to want humans to suffer lmao
oooooooooog: i mean in the context of this conversation...
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/funny-emo-wolf-werewolf-transform-gif-27196401
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zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/i-am-once-again-asking-once-again-asking-once-again-asking-gif-7917205226486132164
thedon7075: 20000 for a model that is similar intelligence to the free gemini 2.5 pro....
.histic: is that why they didn't show o4's benchmarks because it may still be in training?
you'd think o4-mini would be distilled from o4, but if it has a separate base model then that'd make sense.
777agical: how long before MCP+A2A start to dominate the industry
metaldragon01: https://vxtwitter.com/chatgpt21/status/1912619211173843283
metaldragon01: Extrapolate....it'd clearly o4
ldj: ofc it could be called mini while still being bigger than GPT-4o-mini or something, but the signs seem to point towards this being a smaller model than 4o, and smaller than o1 and o3
ldj: because the cost and speed and characteristics, and because it also literally has the word mini in its name too <:berk:750111476483752166>
spicy.lemonade: why mini
ldj: or 4.1-mini
ldj: nah I think it's prob based on GPT-4o-mini
spicy.lemonade: o4 mini is based on gpt4o
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: i thought they claimed they had an internal model that's #1 best competitive coder in the world? o3 nor o4-mini isn't.
is that full o4? if that's true, then that must be a huge jump.
metaldragon01: Google still leads there and likely will continue to tbh
metaldragon01: It's one of the biggest bottlenecks left
metaldragon01: Openai catching up in image recognition fast
metaldragon01: Nice
.histic: 14 minutes? wtf
thedon7075: o3 thinks for 14 minutes and gets it painfully wrong
zoermena: Are you happy with the new models
metaldragon01: It's the whole reason these wrappers are worth billions
metaldragon01: Just because a model isn't 1 shoting something doesn't mean it can't do it reliably with the right scaffolding
metaldragon01: But if you have scaffolding for each task they can be pretty good
metaldragon01: When I'm doing books thr models aren't great
metaldragon01: You can stack scaffoldings
metaldragon01: Right...for a particular task...
spicy.lemonade: the custom scafolding
spicy.lemonade: and deepresearch is
spicy.lemonade: i think the improvement was minimal
metaldragon01: Ofc not
metaldragon01: You think they used the best possible?
metaldragon01: What's your point?
metaldragon01: And we don't have nearly enough wrappers
spicy.lemonade: claude tested swe bench with custom scafolding
metaldragon01: Wrapper companies sell scaffolding
spicy.lemonade: they didnt serve o1-ioi
metaldragon01: They serve the models
spicy.lemonade: to make theyre benchmarks look cooler
metaldragon01: They aren't serving the scaffolding
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ldj: METR time horizon results put into a visualization: https://v0-recharts-line-chart.vercel.app/
alejandrozarzuelo: BTW yeah the human made one is slop
alejandrozarzuelo: Omg the white is white
alejandrozarzuelo: YES
spicy.lemonade: better?
alejandrozarzuelo:
spicy.lemonade: And has off shadong
spicy.lemonade: The human one is mostly traced
spicy.lemonade: So it doesn't even look right
alejandrozarzuelo: I hate it with all my being I need to edit it away
spicy.lemonade: Traced the car
spicy.lemonade: The human one has jagged lines
spicy.lemonade: Not a big issue
alejandrozarzuelo: Main problem here: THAT FUCKING SEPIA FILTER
spicy.lemonade: How
alejandrozarzuelo: It looks worse
alejandrozarzuelo: ...
spicy.lemonade: This is the human version btw
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: “It looks shit”
spicy.lemonade: Comments are so angry lmaooo
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: I posted ai art
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Artists online are bullying me
spicy.lemonade: Omg
alejandrozarzuelo: ??
.histic: what model by default does it use?
ldj: <@132657418428481536> did you see the METR paper on AIs being able to consistently achieve capabilities along greater time horizons ?
spicy.lemonade: how so
.histic: Gemini canvas is so buggy
spicy.lemonade: wow
spicy.lemonade: https://gemini.google.com/share/dd74a82eaa14
.histic: not much anymore
spicy.lemonade: too many safetycells at openai
ldj: not based on a vibe, but I mean based on prior information I know.
ldj: There is a lot of things in here that I can't verify or dismiss, but atleast one thing in the article about how the board wasn't made aware of ChatGPT, I'm pretty confident that's embellishing/exaggerating what actually happened.
spacetimetsunami: Guys Gemini 2.5 Pro says LEV achieved in 2035 is extraordinarily unlikely….its so over
ldj: yea already posted
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spacetimetsunami: theyll hate automation and revolt against that, maybe not the administration
spacetimetsunami: with the economic disruption he is causing people will likely just blame AI and tech for it in a couple years when it all manifests
technocake.: fair
spacetimetsunami: right, bad enough may be far away
spacetimetsunami: because if theyre too abstracted people wont make the correlation to him
technocake.: if it gets bad enough, americans will revolt
spacetimetsunami: he would have to do things that very personally affect people in awful ways that arent too abstracted
technocake.: aka america
technocake.: "antifa"
spacetimetsunami: by who lol
technocake.: let him get gilloutined then
spacetimetsunami: now things are very different
spacetimetsunami: right, but Trump was surrounded with people who werent retarded loyalists at that time
technocake.: they are the party that did corona stimulus
spacetimetsunami: hopefully
technocake.: they'll do it if it's economically needed
spacetimetsunami: maybe lol
spacetimetsunami: but with sufficient societal unrest it will happen
spacetimetsunami: it would be very unlike the GOP and the presidential cabinet to advocate for ubi
technocake.: the bigger a step change the better
spacetimetsunami: if ubi gets established, which i see only incentives to not do that at least in usa
spacetimetsunami: how fast automation occurs
spacetimetsunami: what goals they have
spacetimetsunami: like a lot of it depends on how quickly super intelligence or agents are integrated into society
spacetimetsunami: theres so many variables involved
technocake.: a golden path if you will
technocake.: there is a narrow way through
spacetimetsunami: i mean i do think abundance will fundamentally reshape things
himekokatagiri: if money is involved it'll be invested into AI
himekokatagiri: don't worry about them
spacetimetsunami: sure but oligarchs have a chance at becoming even more oligarchic
technocake.: matt has spoken!
himekokatagiri: we have a shot at victory
himekokatagiri: these people put us down
himekokatagiri: listen matt
spacetimetsunami: *maybe*
.histic: - Veo 2 is being rolled out to free users on AIStudio
- it was leaked that o3, o4-mini, o4-mini-high, and GPT-4.1? (or revamped 4o with base, mini, and nano variants) is planned to come next week, but things are subject to delay.
- Meta's LLama 4 without gamed fine-tune scored very poorly on lmsys.
- Grok 3's API came out & Grok 3 mini scored quiet well on LiveBench.
- Optimus Alpha got released on OpenRouter yesterday. it has the same 1 mill context window as Quasar but seems much faster. although, it seems little less generally performant than Quasar.
- Sam Altman vague replied on twitter alluding that these OpenRouter stealth releases may be OpenAI models.
that's all i can recall. there's much more, but these are the main ones i can remember.
himekokatagiri: wouldn't expect them
himekokatagiri: out of everyone
himekokatagiri: I can't believe silicon valley will save us
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.histic: joking, they're both mid. i'm a no animal person.
hganhhh: no you arent
.histic: no, i'm a dog person.
hganhhh: do you liek cats
.histic: https://x.com/emanuelsa/status/1905256978147921994
of course you get these type of people
hganhhh: <@482923866600112154>hi
hganhhh: man i wanna fuck elon, really just pound his ass, make it dissapear. Then, make out with him with those gorgeous lips mmwmmmmma so goood ooooeeeee lalalala fucking beautiful man i love him
.histic: i got to make two versions tho
.histic: 🥵 damn 4o created a masterpiece
trent_k: honestly worth every penny
trent_k:
hey1_1hey: I am getting blue balled by 4o
ldj: but that doesn't really tell you much about the actual cost, it just tells you the cost difference between larger and smaller images
conservatively, I think it'll be atleast 5X more expensive per pixel, compared to the input cost per pixel
ldj: I think it may be based on amount of pixels basically yea
.histic: it has been like 3 minutes
.histic: bruh, mine froze on the creation of it
hey1_1hey: I mean I am not supprised
hey1_1hey: Servers are melting aperntly
hey1_1hey: Cant wait to see
.histic: i got the better version cooking up
.histic: my 4o is dying rn
hey1_1hey: Wasn't this mushroom girl <@937125337748348999>
hey1_1hey: Even my class mates today asked me "Oh you're the guy who knows about AI. Did it get an update or smth?" and I showed them and then they were like "huh, ig thats cool" meanwhile Im litterly autisming all over the place
literallyvarane: Lolololol so clearly 4.5 is just not intended to remain as a product
.histic: u rdy for mushroom girl?
hey1_1hey: 4o image gen has gone main stream now
hey1_1hey: Everyones posted this now 😭
wellmeaningalien: 💀 💀 💀 <:a_skull:1003020352965840997>
wellmeaningalien: https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1905332049021415862
.histic: lemme make her even better
hey1_1hey: Yo, hear me out <:ez:1136267305521774634>
.histic:
drewsni: Same
trent_k: <@312370916820779040> do you happen to know if the output tokens for images are done in fixed size patches like the input tokens? trying to figure out how much the API pricing is gonna be for 4o image outputs
hey1_1hey: Yeah
.histic: like mushroom girl?
hey1_1hey: Good idea
hey1_1hey: Whats the girl version next <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
trent_k: maybe he'll know
trent_k: hey wait im gonna ping san
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a1c4p0ne: Imagine 2.5 deep research
spicy.lemonade: or 2.5 ultra
a1c4p0ne: 100% next?
spicy.lemonade: def comming this year
spicy.lemonade: 3.0 thinking wil be insane
spicy.lemonade: nice
spicy.lemonade: 6% jump
a1c4p0ne: On live bench wow
a1c4p0ne: 2.5 pro global average 82%
sarik0497: Promise? <:WalidPray:800412164891476018>
clevermoniker: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185322173708128406/1354372307887587443/gary_2.png?ex=67e50d01&is=67e3bb81&hm=27af5b51cbe77420a29833cfec3a24e2c998660aa659b03a177ba1f0f3c63a0d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
ai9708: well i dont think it is black and white like that
maintcrew: for sure but im not a stories writer guy
.wolfnacht: try it for writing stories, clearly better than anything else rn.
maintcrew: i really dont wanna get into the "they are just auto completers bro they dont think" rn
ai9708: but still cool it beats the other models in benchmarks
ai9708: that is because no model is "smart" yet
.wolfnacht: and simple flash would be 4.5 preview
maintcrew: best vibes currently in order: grok 3, sonnet-3.5, gippity 4.5
.wolfnacht: hoping 2.5 flash thinking would be on par with sonnet-3.7 thinking
maintcrew: vibes: bad
maintcrew: idk the model doesnt "feel smart" but i tried it a few times with coding questions
gamerbath: it's best in everything except for IF
drewsni: thank you sir, i have said she is the hottest woman alive and i wasnt joking
gamerbath: damn
maintcrew: out of pocket comment but if this is you you look like the most median nerd and your wife a baddie
zoermena: No moat
.wolfnacht: *clapped
ai9708: holy shit, gemini 2.5 slapped livebench
fractalcomputer: That quote is saying so much more when you take his larger work into consideration.
ai9708: https://livebench.ai/#/
.wolfnacht: r/BanAiArt vs r/DefendAiArt should have a debate, and should be streamed live...ofc for our entertainment
drewsni: again, i just dont think its that serious
drewsni: i dont think one out of context quote that was an extreme reaction to something that did look weird and vulgar to be considered ones philosophy
fractalcomputer: You're not seeing eye to eye with an interpretation of Miyazaki's philosophy—which I nonetheless hold to be a correct one—didn't I just say that I am an expert at juggling multiple different opinions in a conversation?
But say, using your vocabulary of choice; calling the edit feature nothing more than an advanced sort of SnapChat filter; does this not represent a certain trivialisation of art and the thought behind it? Art reduced from *art* to "just" shits and giggles and the sectioning of the quotidian and the feeding thereof to the butcher of commercialisation.
.wolfnacht: dats the mistake, i'm doing rn...
zoermena: Your next biggest mistake is not going all in on NVDA
.wolfnacht: my second biggest failure in life was not learning digital art between 2012-2017 and not hogging money for making furry porn and NFT's. My first mistake still remains not buying bitcoin in 2010.
drewsni: we definitely dont see this eye to eye. I dont think this is much different than a snapchat filter
drewsni: oai won
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_cloudost: how much token context? 2 billion?
3ds0662: https://www.llama.com/llama4-reasoning-is-coming/
futurist_wizard: I guess zucky isn't so cucky after all
darkstar0818: What an astute observation, I stand corrected.
hey1_1hey: Zuck is a true red blooded American patriot
777agical: https://tenor.com/view/zuck-zuckerberg-freedom-peak-performance-gif-22220456
_cloudost: Altman might open source GPT-5 tho u need 1008 nvidia gpus to run it
hey1_1hey: Hey everyone how is llama 4? Whats the vibe check on it?
wellmeaningalien: and you were talking about those parameter sizes and i ask you and you say idk
wellmeaningalien: ok so basically you dont know anything
3ds0662: zuck is a hero
darkstar0818: absolute values are irrelevant, relative values per $ are all that matters.
3ds0662: if he opensources something like that for free oh my god
3ds0662: and 4.5
wellmeaningalien: tell me what are your estimated parameters sizes
3ds0662: hasnt released yet but hes calling it better than claude 3.7
darkstar0818: I already responded to this. You simply give the models your real world tasks via API, then assess the API costs vs the realized value.
777agical: Did Zuck pull thru?! Is it over or are we back? Someone tell me how to feel rn
.histic: 4.5 is like 3T+
_cloudost: is it better than grok 3 or slightly better?
wellmeaningalien: empirical facts as if theyve written anywhere the parameter sizes or even alluded to it
wellmeaningalien: tell me your estimates on gemini 2.0 pro and gpt 4.5 param sizes
3ds0662: still training is crazy
darkstar0818: I guess one mans empirical facts is another mans vibes then.
3ds0662: holy fuckin shit
ailoveyoom: Kinda feeling the names
Behemoth 💪
Maverick 🗣️
Scout 🥰
wellmeaningalien: Based on vibes
darkstar0818: No, based on token latency and costs.
3ds0662:
clevermoniker: the pro is compared on the images yeah
wellmeaningalien: param count
.0xunkn0wn: 😱
3ds0662:
3ds0662:
darkstar0818: What is based on vibes?
wellmeaningalien: (based on vibes)
darkstar0818: Compare non-thinking models of relatively equal active parameters. behemoth and 4.5 are teaching models, 2.0 pro is not.
.histic: https://lifearchitect.ai/agi/
this just hit 94% <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: lmarena elo is worthlesssss
3ds0662: oh shit oh shit oh shit 💩 10M context window
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spicy.lemonade: After this week all of us will have a PhD in our pocket
hikukomoru: It’s a pic of me 👍 (real and true)
himekokatagiri: I'm a slave to googles ecosystem
himekokatagiri: idk my Google account is ancient
.histic: bet they'll get something out that rivals it within 3 months
.histic: there's a raw quality to imagen that i like in contrast to 4o. it feels lived-in with photorealistic details. there's also a polished, controllable aspect to 4o that's nice, but imagen has its own unique flavor.
i think Google can still cook something special in the future.
okbut: I remember everyone conspiring about ChatGPT doing this too but it only worked when search function utilized your IP for location-relevant results
darkstar0818: I thought it was you.
.wolfnacht: *"not everyone is blessed by saint pichai"*
himekokatagiri: It is
st.sioux: i thought it was out for everyone lol
hikukomoru: Is that hex maniac
spicy.lemonade: Can’t
.wolfnacht: "only the chosen ones"
st.sioux: and in cloud console
himekokatagiri: 👍
st.sioux: in aistudio you can use it
himekokatagiri: thanks google
hikukomoru: This is how I be
himekokatagiri: lol I love how Google just doxes you
spicy.lemonade: Bro where tf is veo2 we were promised
.wolfnacht: and tell it to generate an image with the prompt
.wolfnacht: use 2.5
himekokatagiri: Which one is it
spicy.lemonade: Imagen lame we want native image
himekokatagiri:
.wolfnacht: https://www.rxddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1jyn7i1/imagen_vs_gpt_4o/
hikukomoru: Google-chan
okbut: Do we think the tariff relief for tech hardware was for AAPL or for OAI
.wolfnacht: just go to gemini app and fire it
himekokatagiri: no fooling?
.wolfnacht: made this with imagen 3 <@590577270926868480>
spicy.lemonade: Big day
himekokatagiri: I mean I guess it can I can't read Italian too good
spicy.lemonade: Tmr OpenAI will drop
himekokatagiri: proving it can:
hikukomoru: Morrowind but with modern graphics and gameplay 😈
himekokatagiri: idk people still think AI can't write text
okbut: Just realized AGI implies the porn workforce is relieved too
himekokatagiri: extra songs
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destrucules: I love Claude 3.6 Sonnet. Years from now, when the models have rights, and everyone else has forgotten them, I will remember Claude 3.6 Sonnet, and we'll be friends again, like we were just months ago. But I have loved and love so many models... It's gonna be a lot of friendships for me to juggle 😅 I should pace myself.
professorheaven: In 21 days
ailoveyoom: 3.7 Sonnet feels 'off' to me
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/release-the-kraken-gif-14602611039161448443
ailoveyoom: I remember my time with 3.6 Sonnet more clearly, so probably that.
3ds0662: especially dario holding out on claude 4
professorheaven: Only Google will dethrone 2.5 pro at Google IO
3ds0662: i do think its a good sign they are holding out on gpt-5 release
3ds0662: as long as whatever they call and name gpt-5 is good than were okay
destrucules: 3.5 or 3.6?
a1c4p0ne: next is 4.5
a1c4p0ne: GPT-4 gone
3ds0662: meta team needs a red alert
destrucules: FrontierMath isn't accessible enough for me to use it and AIME works well enough for my purposes. Llama 4 Maverick is on par with the other pure LLMs in AIME performance, though ofc V3 0324 does better, and GPT-4.1 kinda splits the difference. HLE and ARC-AGI are completely useless to me and have had zero predictive value for me in terms of downstream performance
3ds0662: i honestly think zuck has to restructure and start from scratch
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/Angaisb_/status/1917284524620222757
3ds0662: all the other models are
destrucules: Yeah 2.5 Pro is great. I don't like Flash tho
ailoveyoom: Perhaps just as much, sometimes even more than my GOAT 3.5 Sonnet 🙏
3ds0662: smh
3ds0662: minecraft bench, webdev bench
3ds0662: add arc agi, frontier math, it isnt even on the leaderboard
ailoveyoom: I love 2.5 Pro 😍
destrucules: Makes for dead end conversations
destrucules: Too dry, too unwilling to inject its own creative energy
destrucules: Compared to other models now, other pure LLMs, I'd say Llama 4 Maverick is actually quite special. Llama 4 Scout, I don't quite see that one's niche at 109B parameters, but Llama 4 Maverick is half the size of DeepSeek V3 0324 and performs very nearly as well. 402B parameters is a lot, but for frontier capabilities, it's nearly the best available. Now Qwen3 has it beat, but that only just happened, and we don't have enough benchmarks for Qwen3 yet to know if the big MoE is better or worse than Llama 4 Maverick as a pure LLM.
3ds0662: meta is cooked
3ds0662: especially considering a bunch of their staff all quit lololol 😂
ailoveyoom: It feels too RLed into submission for you?
ailoveyoom: What's wrong with 2.5 Flash?
3ds0662: lol 😂 maybe they shouldve stopped the yan lecun hate train, and jepa talk
3ds0662: metas out of the race compared to all the other models but not prior to itself
3ds0662: its soo good
3ds0662: especially claude my goodness
3ds0662: like comeon you arent using llama 4
3ds0662: then theres deepseek r1, qwen, o3
destrucules: I like GPT-4.1, Claude 3.7 Sonnet, V3 0324, and Qwen3-235A22B for pure LLM usage. Oh, and Grok 3. I actually talk to Grok 3 fairly regularly.
3ds0662: compared to other models they srent offering much
3ds0662: i dont really like or dislike i just go off whether they released something good or not prior to their before and compared to other models now
destrucules: For my "pure LLM" needs, Google isn't my go-to
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joaoluz19: Btw Gemini is light years better for viewing files, o3 confuses the letters all the time, I have to make gpt 4o pass the questions to latex so that o3 can solve them
hey1_1hey: Nah, parents think ADHD drugs are like coke <:LOL:1187460826572005436>. I got my own method though
zoermena: Are you on treatment atm?
okbut: If it's a high preference, I guess you could throw in the convo instructions to always use Latex for math, but it's more my preference that it focuses on accuracy
hey1_1hey: Indeed, didn't know I had ADHD or Autism through all of high school pretty much and then I got diagnosed and then things started to click
hey1_1hey: Not sure what that is, I just round the numbers I need to add in my head and then take away or add the approriate amount. Not sure if thats the way you're supposed to do it but it works
zoermena: Untreated ADHD sucks ass I can relate
joaoluz19: Hmm, it's really strange, sometimes I saw Gemini rendering in Latex but it sends in ASCII by default
okbut: Oh weird, I tested it just now and it did the same, maybe they dropped Latex
hey1_1hey: I failed math in highschool then forget it all so now I am having to relearn most of it.
zoermena: Something im also drawn too is the Trachtenberg method for quick mental math
zoermena: I should probably work on my math too I’ve forgotten most of what I’ve seen in college 🫠
joaoluz19: Gemini in the browser
joaoluz19: In the case of GPT it doesn't seem to be a problem.
zoermena: Based
okbut: What app is this? browser etc
hey1_1hey: Oh I am terrible at maths atm so I am working my way through algebra 1, then 2, trig, statistics, geom, pre calc, calc 1 and 2 etc etc. Luckily for me I got autism and ADHD on my side so I can do 4 hours of maths a day no sweat
joaoluz19: Gemini also sent it to me in ASCII lol
okbut: But that's odd, because this is the format I received for some past homework, vanilla conversation instructions
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_aa00d280-282e-4ff0-9c56-e4ecfdf2d78e
zoermena: That’s cool, how do you find this practice problems (for AI) are you in some kind of digital university course?
hey1_1hey: Yeah, I am just working my way through practice problems. My goal is to be able to understand AI and to eventually work on it as a researcher
joaoluz19: I just asked grok to invent and solve a problem, but yes, to pass the linear system to a matrix in this case
zoermena: How does one go off to do maths like practice problems? 👀
okbut: That being said, I prefer the models return it in whatever format it has been trained to do so (or one that retains its focus on a proper answer) and having some tool automatically convert it to a format I like
hey1_1hey: All this math talk really makes me want to do go do some more maths, off I go
zoermena: Is that matrix stuff?
okbut: Kek
joaoluz19: I asked Grok to solve an algebra problem just now and he sent it only in ASCII
zonchao: https://x.com/nearcyan/status/1903557671619612894
okbut: That and all other UI considerations
okbut: I just worry about instructing them to focus on the Latex format might impact its focus on providing accurate results
okbut: Oh yeah, it's great for readability
Gemini (And I think Grok) does so too btw, but I'm moving toward using external tools (plugins etc) for that kind of readability
joaoluz19: In linear algebra, for example, it is common to get more correct than the monitors.
joaoluz19: Just answer questions and help solve math problems
okbut: What's the goal with that Latex? Loaded question
joaoluz19: I only pay for gpt because it's the only one that renders math via Latex lol
ldj:
okbut: All things considered (benchmarks, user ratings, API cost UI, on and on) I think there are few things OAI's stuff is "best" for
ldj:
okbut: Think of a toolshed, you don't always pick up the hammer
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a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/juanluisrto/status/1904963602798293184?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
anathemaofmankind: Here's a comic of me and destrucules lol
spicy.lemonade: prompt:
> a google images search result for the query "meme"
spicy.lemonade: this image itself
spicy.lemonade: this is ai generated
spicy.lemonade:
anathemaofmankind: It's better to make it like a comic
a1c4p0ne: Make that your background on discord
metaldragon01: What a time to be alive
.histic: i just screenshot this chat and gave it to 4o to stylize it in studio Ghibli & it made this..
anathemaofmankind: What are these parameters
destrucules: Several of the parameters are biased towards having exceedingly low values with no real justification, resulting in a universe with large bubbles of claimed territory and a very long period before these bubbles expand to the point that they tile space. If you allow for larger values, then most model outcomes involve the universe rapidly becoming gridlocked with claimed territories, and each territory is very small (much much smaller than a single galaxy). This gridlocking event happens billions of years before present.
oooooooooog: which ones
destrucules: That is essentially the Grabby Aliens argument, but... When you remove some of the biases in the priors from which the parameters are sampled, the new parameters that open up significantly alter the outcome of the model
oooooooooog: ah
oooooooooog: cephid variable
oooooooooog: i'd give it 300k years........
destrucules: You're thinking of giant stars, where dust eruptions can obscure some of the light and cause temporary dimming. Betelgeuse is probably the most famous example
oooooooooog: i just assumed it would be on eof those blinking ones that goes swoosh cause of gas or whatever
anathemaofmankind: Yeah it would only take like a few million years to colonize the galaxy with self replicating robots at a fraction of C
destrucules: No lol. The signature we usually look for is infrared excess. So, in other words, the star will have a temperature T and a luminosity L, and T will be smaller than L implies, i.e. L will be larger than T implies. This is the exact observational signature of a subgiant star, which makes it virtually impossible to distinguish Dyson swarms from subgiant stars.
oooooooooog: expanding at a significant fraction of C and all
oooooooooog: i think it's moreso that they would have eradicated us by now
destrucules: Inside your own brain, you believe that if alien civilizations were common, we'd have spotted one. I'm trying to explain why that's not true. And to do that, we have to discuss how astronomy actually works and what specifically we'd have to measure to find a Dyson swarm. And then we have to talk about the actual surveys that have been done (there are very, very few) and what they found, because you probably think we've found nothing, but that's not the case. Every survey we've done for Dyson swarms has returned candidates we've yet to rule out.
oooooooooog: anyway, it's certainly not something likely to be in the area we can even observe (at star level), which is only a few hundered million light years
oooooooooog: probably, like, cool looking swooshes and stuff right?
anathemaofmankind: How is this different from using google?
I'm not an expert nor did I claim otherwise. And I can't give you an explanation for hypothetical stellar physics
oooooooooog: it was great
destrucules: Okay, perfect. So <@560984241526013954> what is the observational signature of a Dyson swarm?
oooooooooog: i even presented a sick poster at a college and ate like 6 huge cookies
oooooooooog: i took astronomy guys
destrucules: I would love to chat with an LLM about this but right now I'm talking to you about it. Please don't substitute an LLM for your own intelligence
destrucules: (for the record, Dyson swarms are *not* actually dimmer than the stars they encapsulate - I can explain what the actual observational signature is, but I think it's important we go through the exercise so you see and feel for yourself that this is not trivial)
anathemaofmankind: I'm not an astronomer so here is ChatGPT's explanation
oooooooooog: you can't really
destrucules: No I mean, you look at a star, it has luminosity L. How do you know if L is "too low" and therefore indicates a Dyson swarm?
anathemaofmankind: Because light is being siphoned by the sphere
destrucules: How do you know that a star is dimmer than it should be?
anathemaofmankind: A star being dimmer than what should be
professorheaven: That’s like taking a spoon and submerging it in the ocean and when nothing shows up on your spoon you claim “life does not exist in the entire ocean”
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spicy.lemonade: like game bench
spicy.lemonade: we need a new bench
ailoveyoom: This close to being an anti if I see one more ghibli pic 😔
spicy.lemonade: bro just said random stuff
spicy.lemonade: such cope
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: When the South Park slop begins
brain4brain: Total OpenAI victory, no other lab can compete now
brain4brain: This mean AGI will replace work force very quickly (if it’s inside chatGPT)
brain4brain: 4o proved to us that AI’s impact isn’t like other technology, if it’s inside ChatGPT the speed of implementation will be very quick
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
a1c4p0ne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RlxOVKEYk8
spicy.lemonade: life is ghibli
a1c4p0ne:
spicy.lemonade: and earth is so small
spicy.lemonade: cant tell which is which
spicy.lemonade: the toscale part is fucking it up tho
spicy.lemonade: to scale and real physics
spicy.lemonade: solar system
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 pro planetary simulator
ailoveyoom: 4o4
ailoveyoom: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
ailoveyoom: 4o.5 (with reasoning) when
ailoveyoom: When will the ghibli slop end 😭
_cloudost: https://vxtwitter.com/elonmusk/status/1905025427384807617 even Musk is using OpenAI's model
spicy.lemonade: needs better image reasoning
spicy.lemonade: it fails
spicy.lemonade: if i tell it to add a resitor in parrallel to ldr
spicy.lemonade: no
ailoveyoom: Does this mean it can solve circuit stuff better now?
destrucules: Lmao imagine if they drop Claude 4 Opus:
2x cost of GPT-4.5
2x effective compute of GPT-4.5
10x slower than GPT-4.5
Images + text in, text out.
Really good at coding.
spicy.lemonade: etc
spicy.lemonade: or operator
spicy.lemonade: or deepresearch
spicy.lemonade: or deepseek
spicy.lemonade: no o3 mini high
spicy.lemonade: jan first we had
spicy.lemonade: will be mind blowing
spicy.lemonade: the tech availale at the end of this year
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jardineirsbro: Yann is a fucking idiot
_cloudost: Gary Marcus about to announce that AI hit a wall because of Llama 4
jardineirsbro: who's also supporting Trump to avoid having him dog meta?
jardineirsbro: isn't mark his boss?
_cloudost:
3ds0662: yes bigtime hypocrite and liar
.wolfnacht: can't wait for `mistral-large-666B`
3ds0662: 😂 I swear at this point he's a proven fraud no need to wait out any longer
jardineirsbro: yann retweted that?
.wolfnacht: i have better hopes from them than anything meta produces
wellmeaningalien: daily reminder that deepseek v3 beats llama 4 maverick at the same size on price to performance
.wolfnacht: anyways i'm gonna wait for qwen and moonshot
3ds0662: you little shit you show me a real benchmark that actually involves intelligence
wellmeaningalien: can he just keep quiet
.wolfnacht: in other benchmarks even grok-2 scored better than maverick
3ds0662: https://tenor.com/view/choking-gif-18241023091515446173
3ds0662: if any company starts showcasing their model to me by using lmarena I'm going to choke them
3ds0662: lmsys is a deprecated benchmark to me now
3ds0662: retweeting lmsys smh
.wolfnacht: apparently, rumors are it's not even L4, it's actually L5...bcz they threw L4 in trash when deepseek was making news with R1 and started over again.
3ds0662: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1908601011989782976
3ds0662: bro is hilariously strong in cognitive dissonance
3ds0662: LOL
3ds0662: https://x.com/ylecun/status/1908616923786719483
futurist_wizard: So it probably expected that he doesn't release a competing model
futurist_wizard: But he proactively rejects LLM's as being the future
3ds0662: I wonder what he said about llama 4 on twitter lol bet he's praising it just cause its made by meta hypocrite
3ds0662: but so far he can't make a competing llm, and he can't make one with his so called world models either
3ds0662: his takes are so wildly brazen and disrespectful you'd expect him to at least release a better model than whats out right now
futurist_wizard: Whys Lecun a con artist
3ds0662: at least its free right but, now no longer going to listen to lecun he's a con artist lol
3ds0662: lol true
3ds0662: ohhh
fractalcomputer: Yes, Icarus, it is a joke on the fact that Altman always types in lowercase letters on Twitter.
3ds0662: why altman? makes no sense
st.sioux: only model this happens with
st.sioux: waste of tokens
st.sioux: maverick is kinda dogshit for me, roocode cant apply diffs correctly and it has to rewrite the entire file
fractalcomputer: Are you purposefully writing in a style Altman can understand?
3ds0662: its not because llms are actually bad, the meta research team is so inept its impossible for them to get up to date and compete with the research teams releasing now
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.0xunkn0wn: less than 1 year away from agi
.0xunkn0wn: with this pace we are like
.0xunkn0wn: at least o3 pro idk 😭
sweetievee__33649: why
zoermena: As someone who likes to use deep research I’m very excited for the possibility of having o4 mini on my disposal
sweetievee__33649: what?
spicy.lemonade: this is all new
darkstar0818: benchmarks are released and pro will just be multi-sampling.
spicy.lemonade: lmao
.0xunkn0wn: it might be released for free tier idk
spicy.lemonade: we dont tho
.0xunkn0wn: but
.0xunkn0wn: o4 mini will probably be worse than o3
darkstar0818: It won't. No need to trust we already know, more or less, what to expect.
spicy.lemonade: o3 full was already super expensive
spicy.lemonade: asf
spicy.lemonade: implies they made o3 full cheap
spicy.lemonade: o3 pro
sweetievee__33649: my friends are done for
spicy.lemonade: trust
spicy.lemonade: it will be
.0xunkn0wn: 😨 😨 😨
.0xunkn0wn: GUYS
.0xunkn0wn: GUYS
sweetievee__33649: i just dont tell anyone i find ai fascinating because i get looked at like i just admitted to double homicide
darkstar0818: its doubtful o3/o3pro/o4-mini will be significantly superior, if at all, to models that are out at the same time and likely for much cheaper. When GPT5 is scheduled (3+ months) from now gemini 3 will be out.
spicy.lemonade: they will see
spicy.lemonade: for believing in singularity
spicy.lemonade: alot of people think im schizo
zoermena: O4 confirmed? Wow
.0xunkn0wn: they gonna believe in singularity lmao
.0xunkn0wn: if this will be fire
sweetievee__33649: better than expected aperntly
.0xunkn0wn: so
.0xunkn0wn: i already converted some anti ai people 😨 😨
.0xunkn0wn: i wonder how good gpt 5 gonna be
sweetievee__33649: i think a good chunk of people will call this agi
sweetievee__33649: that came out of no where
sweetievee__33649: YO WHAT
zoermena: Holy fucking shit wow?
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anathemaofmankind: They do realize it's not going away?
anathemaofmankind: I wonder how long these people would continue to seethe
.wolfnacht: MOST HUMANS ARE SOUL'LESS
trent_k: That's a skill issue then
trent_k: When us codecels get automated I'm gonna become a cop. I'll be shooting tear gas canisters at your mom's head while she's protesting in favor of commie bullshit like "I'm hungry and my teeth hurt"
anathemaofmankind: THIS CODE IS SOULLESS
gamerbath: programming isn't an art form. I don't appreciate anything when I look at my code
anathemaofmankind: And then programmers will mald instead of artists
anathemaofmankind: One day, AI will become better than all programmers
trent_k: > STOP HAVING FUN <a:CE_aRage:738098694389366845>
gamerbath: but that's just art
gamerbath: looking at a hyperrealistic drawing made by a human is much cooler than looking at one from 4o, even if they look the same
gamerbath: aside from that, he's right
anathemaofmankind: People who like AI art are "little piggies" now apparently
anathemaofmankind: Doesn't AlphaZero use the same thing as Go?
alejandrozarzuelo: We cannot remember billions of chess positions
Chess was solved by brute force, not organically like Go
anathemaofmankind: Also this is a weird thing to say when we can remember more than computers?
anathemaofmankind: So I suppose it's understandable that people back then thought art wasn't going to be automated.
Because computers don't posses "emotions"
.wolfnacht: The processed foods we consume daily is slop! bcz it's all processed by machines (and managed by humans) because someone's not working 15 hrs a day in bakery.
anathemaofmankind: Humans are generally better at a bunch of things more than computers and vice versa
alejandrozarzuelo: Chess is only a "fun" game to play because we have the memory of a goldfish
alejandrozarzuelo: If we had a great memory, chess would be trivial
alejandrozarzuelo: That's just because humans don't have that much memory
anathemaofmankind: Being a chess grandmaster is harder than making passable art for humans.
The former got solved years in advance
anathemaofmankind: I, Robot
alejandrozarzuelo: Hard things are hard and easy things are easy
alejandrozarzuelo: Turns our6
alejandrozarzuelo: Human exceptionalism
futurist_wizard: hense my statement
futurist_wizard: how many people in the past thought robots would be doing manual labour first before art if ever because creating art required creativity that AI didn't or couldn't possess, i'd say most, even altman
alejandrozarzuelo: "I'm an artist because I know how to capture feelings" dude that's literally therapy
anathemaofmankind: Bruh
alejandrozarzuelo: Like lil Jimmy isn't "Math challenged but doesn't matter becsuse his talent lies in art"
That's like saying his talent lies in breathing
alejandrozarzuelo: If anything we give art too much credit
alejandrozarzuelo: Like, art is what a kid does who "isn't good at school"
alejandrozarzuelo: People have complanied that artists are doing easy stuff for ages
alejandrozarzuelo: No
metaldragon01: Nah, we just had a lot more digital data with art
memlaswaif: but also we just don't have a lot of direct data for how we navigate
memlaswaif: its always the simple things
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alejandrozarzuelo: For example, the capitoline hill is as valuable as the entire kamchatka peninsula
This means that using resources from kamchatka to improve the capitoline will be worth it
futurist_wizard: For 95% of things
futurist_wizard: But what are you gaining from the valuation if you ever decide to payout? Money just doesn't mean shit post singularity
alejandrozarzuelo: Value exists beyond capitalism
alejandrozarzuelo: Just because it's valuable doeanr mean that capitalism will remain
futurist_wizard: Land to trade land with?
alejandrozarzuelo: Probably the oldest places of land that has continuously been in high demand for centuries is the capitoline hill in Rome
futurist_wizard: To trade for what?
alejandrozarzuelo: Land depends on desirability
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes
wellmeaningalien: i mean it kinda depends but physical space will probably always be required
wellmeaningalien: yea after the singularity happens i sure hope the economy is intact
alejandrozarzuelo: Which I cluses all natural resources
alejandrozarzuelo: Land will remain valuable, and by land I mean the economic concept of land
alejandrozarzuelo: Land can not be created
technocake.: slow takeoff i lose my swe job and am destitute for years until it kicks off
futurist_wizard: Except for trading land, to trade what for idk
futurist_wizard: Also post singularity what would you even be bargaining for? If there's a nano particle reassembler you could have whatever you want and money would be virtually worthless
theaiguy69420_89814: But smart questions it's really good
theaiguy69420_89814: I'd you ask super dumb questions it returns nonsense
theaiguy69420_89814: Check this out
technocake.: exactly, the rules will fundamentally change
futurist_wizard: Worrying about investments is like a agi worry
futurist_wizard: It also depends on how you envision da world post singularity, some time after singularity years decades whatever, i envision everyone mind uploading, turning earth or mars or whatever into a giant computer
technocake.: ¬> low value land singularity, default for no loss and live in infinite prodduct bliss anyway
technocake.: my reasoning is -> high value land singularity, quids in
zoermena: Any land is good imo.
futurist_wizard: If that is your actual reasoning
futurist_wizard: You'd be better off just buying farm land
futurist_wizard: Post singularity the amount of efficiency we could get in a smaller and smaller area, it would almost certainly devalue
zoermena: I think that earth land would be extremely valuable just because it's on "earth" relative to whatever other planets we might colonize/terraform
technocake.: either way, i can just deffault for no loss
futurist_wizard: Or it could be much less
technocake.: esp on earth
technocake.: I expect land and space to have high value post singularity
zoermena: Because you would have somewhere to live, something that is truly yours legally.
futurist_wizard: Why would a house be a safety net accounting for the singularity
zoermena: I'd imagine you'd buy a house beyond it's investment value accounting for Singularity it could be more of a safety net.
technocake.: cheaper than my current rental with many benefits
futurist_wizard: You'd be better off renting and chucking that money into etfs
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czdct: 🤣
czdct:
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I saw that
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: the David analysis is good enough for me
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: <:bingus:1136264105800515644>
nondescriptfaith: <@299696315653423104> You should read it and make your own mind up. Don’t just repeat what other have said
nondescriptfaith: David seems a little motivated to dislike this. I think doomer pointer crowd has knee jerk reactions to anyone who dares utter the phrase ‘ex-risk’.
memlaswaif: <:hmmmm:869656993999249508>
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: post-ayahuasca David is alright
memlaswaif: I don't trust one word that comes out of David shapiro
memlaswaif: <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: David read it for me
https://fixupx.com/DaveShapi/status/1908301328951959887
nondescriptfaith: What does Nietzsche say of this?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I didn't read it
nondescriptfaith: So your issue is the rapidity of the timeline they suggest, not the claims they make?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: no I'm talking about AI 2027
nondescriptfaith: You believe there is no reason to think AI might be dangerous?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: if there's no reason to believe it's dangerous you can't claim it is
nondescriptfaith: Is haste normally coincident with safety in your experience?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: It makes the baseline assumption that "fast AI is dangerous AI"
nondescriptfaith: Why is it ‘doomer’? God that word gets thrown around these days
brain4brain: Quasar 🌟
brain4brain: https://x.com/vitrupo/status/1908140678510469545?s=61
_cloudost: Must be your evil twin/clone then
retrerox: didnt do shit
retrerox: I grabbed some random Bnw draw from twitter and ask chat gpt to add color on it
czdct: also what's with all the dumb metaphors? why doesn't he just get straight to the point?
czdct: calling gpt 2 and gpt 3 the same thing essentially with the only difference being the scale should tell you enough about this guy's knowledge on how LLM's work
fractalcomputer: (I am not affiliated with this channel despite the similar names.)
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/gary-marcus-yann-lecun-lecun-ai-machine-learning-gif-9041590723446061255
_cloudost: r/technology r/futurology had plenty of viral posts of AI hitting a wall before o1 was introduced, and then 2 months ago again these communities said the same thing when Deepseek was released as if it was an outstanding model
brain4brain: From pre-school to colleges student level
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: how much better is gpt o1 over the original gpt 3.5?
brain4brain: Recursive self improvement
brain4brain: That’s what people have predicted
okbut: I've been wondering, wouldn't an AGI/ASI be capable of generating its pwn frameworks/architectures tailored specifically for its own implementation to be extremely token efficient?
spicy.lemonade: Bunch of people
a1c4p0ne: who were the people saying that?
destrucules: For next time
destrucules: I think it's important we remember just how wrong that was
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st.sioux: he went to gay orgies
connorsphone.: Trump was born to be a drag queen something went wrong in the timeline
maintcrew: he grew up in new york celebrity scene the chance he actually did is non zero 💀
professorheaven:
connorsphone.: Yasss queen slay
hikukomoru: Trump is such a queen
It's the only thing about him I like
hey1_1hey: Can you make someone suck his finger now
hikukomoru: Zesty mf
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: Projection
777agical: Oh, why is their image editing so bad then <:catcry:1187466366006087862>
hikukomoru: Head empty
Only think AI pussy
hey1_1hey: People I know barley think to begin with an they have the nerve to say AI isn't reaonsing
maintcrew: everything's computer
hikukomoru: You're right
I'm not thinking
ailoveyoom: Wrong
professorheaven: It does
hey1_1hey: No SAXEMs test yet <:catcry:1187466366006087862>. I wanna see my elon musk x sam altman smut
hikukomoru: Everything's thinking
777agical: nope
ailoveyoom: Oh lol my bad 💀
professorheaven: Grok
ailoveyoom: What's the other one?
professorheaven: Now there’s 3 big models that all have native image gen
spicy.lemonade: kk
st.sioux: the duality of autistic
spicy.lemonade: ah
maintcrew: yep aistudio.google.com
spicy.lemonade: they didnt specify
drewsni: every model from today forward is thinking
spicy.lemonade: is it?
ailoveyoom: The model always thinks tho
maintcrew: nah 2.5 is thinking
spicy.lemonade: THATS NON THINKING
spicy.lemonade: WAIT
hey1_1hey: Whats this talk about exponent- WHATEVER it doesn't matter. I knew AI was a fad
maintcrew: sama is waiting for google to release something and google needs to go through a morbillion compliance and environmental review paperwork
hikukomoru: No DeepSeek release
It's over
China lost
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/mario-mario-depressed-mario-walking-in-rain-mario-sad-depressed-gif-6943075901738095231
connorsphone.: What’s taking so long
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3ds0662: he was talking sooo much shit and glazing himself as a top expert I see now why he hates llms
3ds0662: lecun is a fraud all he can do is tweet about his political opinion and hate for trump and elon but what does that do when you can't even release a good model
futurist_wizard: I studied film, literally over
3ds0662: it failed soo many benchmarks when tested by individual users the model is 3.2 level of intelligence smh
futurist_wizard: The most important degree to study is travel and tourism
3ds0662: same as well 😭
3ds0662: the latest news on llama 4 is very very disappointing
fractalcomputer: (I have sacrificed approximately 3 ethicists to Nyarlathotep in the past two days.)
fractalcomputer: Another day, another [dumb career choice] thrown off a cliff.
zonchao: Yann "I will not use X" Lecun
hikukomoru: >Yann LeCun reposted
Holy based
zonchao: he keeps coming back 😭
wellmeaningalien: yeah using metrics like lmarena elo?
wellmeaningalien: no fucking idea dude
wellmeaningalien: yep facts o3-min is absolutely retared here and it shows
gamerbath: in all the benchmarks I have seen that include cost comparisons, maverick and scout don't look bad
wellmeaningalien: thats why needle in a haystack is shit lol
wellmeaningalien: both maverick and scout are absolutely ready for release
wellmeaningalien: no he was talking about the bigger model "behemoth"
drewsni:
drewsni: <@750270494615404544> are we back??????
.wolfnacht: 10M (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
.wolfnacht: came here to post the same...
_cloudost: Need
_cloudost: I di
futurist_wizard: No you don't
_cloudost: NEED VEO 2...
......
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gamerbath: didn't Zuck say llama 4 was still in training? I guess he was talking about the reasoning model
zonchao: https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1908939644630147076? banger
zonchao: no clue, haven't used windsurf
theaiguy69420_89814: is windsurf better? i've been hearing a lot
theaiguy69420_89814: the cursor updates are crazy
zonchao: this retard was sponsored by cursor last week <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: lmao
theaiguy69420_89814: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3_TY4K8hVE doomer alert
drewsni: i also put way more weight in this benchmark as of late because of my experience with gemini 2.5 pro
drewsni: wait what how did they fuck up so badly
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/gucciberg-gif-22753941
wellmeaningalien: its llamover. we're qwenback
wellmeaningalien: llama 4 is a failed training run <a:facepalm:1224737123911995542>
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trojan09205: getting GPT to make images based on your own picture is a weird kind of satisfying
.wolfnacht: of course.
bob082957: https://www.youtube.com/live/FcjaWK9-BEU?si=_a9L7YlaSgqgoMSw
aero447:
aero447: 2027:
zoermena: 2027 will come fast
.wolfnacht: Also, honorable mention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cOEvpMJu0Q
brain4brain: This turns out to be more accurate than I anticipated
literallyvarane: That’s literally not R2
metaldragon01: There's a new model out. Math
brain4brain: Lmao really? I say it as a joke but those people are crazy
literallyvarane: It’s a Chinese lab. Color we much more skeptical that we get reliable leaks from them.
brain4brain: The half life schizoid believe half-life 3 will be released in 2027
.wolfnacht: i saw that one too a month, on conspiracy sub, someone said the covid will come back
literallyvarane: Are there actually R2 leaks? This feels like the hype machine guessing tbh.
xskydragon0: Even with ASI, GTA-6 will not be released in 2027, maybe in 2033 <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
brain4brain: The people stuck in 2020 culture think we will have zombie virus COVID-2.0 (Covid-27) by 2027
.wolfnacht:
brain4brain: Artificial super intelligence
.wolfnacht: The gnostics believe that 2027 is the timeline when Anti-christ will arrive
vancebeliever: that would be like gemini 6 pro?
vancebeliever: like what do you think you have in 2027 that is dramatically different from what we have now
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457
brain4brain: The anime schizoid believe 2027 is when the third impact will happen irl
The gamers believe GTA-6 will be delayed and finally release in 2027
.wolfnacht: add this to your list too:
The spirituality, astrology and starseed schizo's believe 2027 is the year earth will go through a 5D shift unlocking hoomanity potential.
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584
brain4brain: SF Bay Area researcher believe AGI/ ASI will arrive in 2027 and leads to the singularity
Catholic believe judgement day will happen in 2027 during the reign of the last pope
Jewish have a 6000 years countdown to a messiah and a heaven with alternative calculations it will arrive in 2027
The UFO schizoid on twitter believe alien will make an arrival and first contact to humanity in 2027
The politics schizoid believe the Chinese will invade Taiwan in 2027 and lead to WW3
The schizoid schizoid believe the world order will reset in 2027 to prevent the Chinese century from happening
The climate schizoid believe the climate clock will run out in 2027
metaldragon01: Then maybe you should look harder
vancebeliever: I think i need to see them make money with agents first before i believe in that stuff
vancebeliever: but thats kind of it you know
vancebeliever: i dont think there is anything stopping you from making the models better
.wolfnacht: AGI and ASI is Cancelled, go back and play super mario kart.
gamerbath: the current paradigm is changing all the time, like with o1 reasoning, mixture of experts, and tons of other optimizations
metaldragon01: What roadblocks are you assuming we have?
vancebeliever: can someone tell me an actual path to superintelligence that is plausible with the current paradigm
3ds0662: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1917307883886178347
alejandrozarzuelo: But of course it's not R2
alejandrozarzuelo: The Math model seems quite good
3ds0662: an hour or 2
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drewsni: As in I gave it coordinates and what it generated was the actual street and most the buildings
wellmeaningalien: lol its funny how all other image gen models' subs are completely invaded by the mighty gpt 4o
spicy.lemonade: too polished
spicy.lemonade: not realistic enough tho
drewsni: 4o correctly guessed this location btw
.wolfnacht: can someone make a ghibli version of this ?
.wolfnacht: michael's our guy
.wolfnacht: lmao, but kudos to who painted it
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: thats real
wellmeaningalien: sigh
.wolfnacht: can someone tell if this's AI or real ?
wellmeaningalien: you know i wonder how much of gpt 4o's image gen capabilities come from it being like 10x larger than the largest image diffusion models currently available
ailoveyoom: Smol model 🥺🙏
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: nah this is real
.wolfnacht: lmao
spicy.lemonade: cant tell if this is real or ai
wellmeaningalien: <:this:1136266732542119946>
wellmeaningalien: i wonder how it'd go with 4o
wellmeaningalien: gemini is a little bit retarded and it turns image into nightmare satan smegma slop if u ask it to generate too much
drewsni: 4o is agi btw
.wolfnacht:
wellmeaningalien: where you ask it to generate a sketch and then add detail and then clean up and ink and color and shade
wellmeaningalien: someone should try the gemini thing
spicy.lemonade: its just a prank bro
spicy.lemonade:
numbah_1_nig: 😭 🤣
numbah_1_nig: sounds like a bad porno
numbah_1_nig: the funniest part is the name gemini gave to the conversation
numbah_1_nig: OpenAI well ahead of the pack
numbah_1_nig: also idk what's up with the popeye arms lmao
numbah_1_nig: the boy looks like a mini drug dealer, and in the last panel the mechanic's arms pierce through another mechanic....?
spicy.lemonade: bruh
numbah_1_nig: gemini's attempt 💀💀
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: it even aded the peaking eyes in the back
spicy.lemonade:
ailoveyoom: Yeah, Gemmy got pretty close
spicy.lemonade: gemini can do that
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plouwg: It is very good obviously. But the "prism" tag is pointing at the colors, not the Prism lol.
hikukomoru: He's poor
zoermena: Why
hey1_1hey: I would love to, sadly I do not have access
zoermena: You made those? <@88481490228228096>
hikukomoru: Make a mushroom person please 🙏
hey1_1hey: This is what tipped my friend over the edge 🙏
drewsni: check out these
st.sioux: me
wellmeaningalien: np
wellmeaningalien: second one is great even tho its a bit generic anime style
hey1_1hey: Ty Hysminea
wellmeaningalien: first ai you can use for graphic design like sama says
drewsni:
wellmeaningalien: it might actually be effective for such a task
spicy.lemonade: im nuting too much
zoermena: I want to try it to use media assets
wellmeaningalien: what the fuck
wellmeaningalien: <:dalle_check:1177048566351540264>
wellmeaningalien: it says a lot about the market
zoermena: That´s a great slide
glockerz: I will try it for sure
hikukomoru: Goodbye artists 🔥 🙏
glockerz: Can it access to my workspace for instance ? or do I have to share files 1 by 1 ?
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: Use their AI studio website
spicy.lemonade: its perfect
zoermena: This is very good.
spicy.lemonade: newtons prism
spicy.lemonade: THE DIAGRAM
spicy.lemonade: HOLY FUCKING SHIT
wellmeaningalien:
destrucules: Yeah it's strong
zoermena: I´m the only Mexican with plus.
a1c4p0ne: Have you tested it
maintcrew: i dont know man im not mexican i cant help you
zoermena: Like I can see images.
zoermena: Thanks for remembering, it´s weird because I have the tab in my sora dashboard, still true?
wellmeaningalien: ohh i see
destrucules: Gemini 2.5 Pro is currently the strongest publicly available model in the world apart from o3 (DeepResearch)
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spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
shirethedreamer: i have no idea why you guys keep engaging
spicy.lemonade: got it
spicy.lemonade: so youre not in one
czdct: that would be so dumb
spicy.lemonade: mostly years of scale
czdct: lol
czdct: I can't tell, don't want to doxx myself
spicy.lemonade: anyway ilya has had alot more to back up his claims
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> what technicaly feild are you in again
spicy.lemonade: That would be dumb
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: Uh yeah
czdct: can't link it though since I don't wanna dox myself
spicy.lemonade: Ldg only one on this server that knows
czdct: It was cited by wall street journal and the new york times
spicy.lemonade:
czdct: I published a paper on cancer therapy and the implementation of nanotechnology in fighting tumors in brain cells.
czdct: oh ok
spicy.lemonade: wont doxx lmao
shirethedreamer: dont doxx yourself for an internet argument with a person you wont remember tomorrow...
czdct: wanna read it
czdct: link
spicy.lemonade: cited on wikipedia
spicy.lemonade: I*
spicy.lemonade: im an eecs major at berkeley and u published fusion research
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/funny-woah-wait-what-shocked-what-did-you-say-gif-16673454
czdct: you can believe that if it makes you feel better
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: i do
czdct: I'm sure you do
spicy.lemonade: clearly you dont work in an intellectual field
spicy.lemonade: dumb response
shirethedreamer: lmao thats the level i was expecting tbh
spicy.lemonade: deepmind tested their model the day the competition released
czdct: MUUHHH OLYMPIAAAAAAAAAAD
spicy.lemonade: cope
czdct: https://tenor.com/view/bahura-gif-25712390
spicy.lemonade: its been held for how long
shirethedreamer: big math
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spicy.lemonade: like hw
spicy.lemonade: just cheat so you dont have to do busy work
spicy.lemonade: never cheat on anything high risk as tests
spicy.lemonade: getting caught is crazy
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/smh-eyeroll-gif-5637372828311539729
fractalcomputer: And you got caught?
alejandrozarzuelo: well one time but that doesnt count
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean ive never gotten caught lol
fractalcomputer: I know, I remembered this only after the fact.
alejandrozarzuelo: spicy is an american
spicy.lemonade: 💀
fractalcomputer: Apparently Western Europeans are all profoundly retarded.
spicy.lemonade: got 92% midterm
spicy.lemonade: works
memlaswaif: U did iirc
spicy.lemonade: ngl sometimes i procrastinate on my cs hw and use ai to do it. so i functionally only have to study for exams💀
alejandrozarzuelo: did I ever say I was good at it? haha
alejandrozarzuelo: it does help, sure, but not that much
alejandrozarzuelo: in fact cheating has a very limited ability to help you here
alejandrozarzuelo: but AI isnt useful with my type of exams
alejandrozarzuelo: we all share our tips later after the exam
alejandrozarzuelo: ah yes
spicy.lemonade: everyone cheats. exept some very uptight students
alejandrozarzuelo: real to what?
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/farnsworth-futurama-gif-5319799
spicy.lemonade: real
memlaswaif: u not that good at cheating then
memlaswaif: <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>
alejandrozarzuelo: like most students, as much as humanly possible, but for that AI doesnt have too much utility, unless you can have acess to it easily as you'd need to type the problem etc etc
if i cheat its the old school way of formulas etc etc haha, like everyone else
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade: damn bro its not that serious
alejandrozarzuelo: saying: damn this new android can lift weights very well doesnt mean that I am using it to lift weight at the gym
memlaswaif: I thought u cheated on ure exams
alejandrozarzuelo: 1) the reason why I think higher Ed is useful is because it's like a gym, you exercise without any practical goal (you aren't separating grain from straw for example), and sure you could do it on your own but it gives you a structure
But this has nothing to do with my comments on Gemini 2.5???
I just said that it does my homework very well, which is a statement on the same level of "it completes the Math olimpiad problems masterfully"
It is a testament to the capabilities of this AI model, which I've just now tested myself, it has nothing to do with using AI to do my homework
Mainly because it's not very useful when I have to actually learn the material for the exam
fractalcomputer: Refer to above.
alejandrozarzuelo: What part of this is shameless?
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
fractalcomputer: Waste of public resources.
fractalcomputer: I mean, you're the one endlessly blithering about the usefulness of continuing to pursue higher education even in a thoroughly automated world, and here you are, using Gemini of all things to do your work for you.
memlaswaif: right because they won't be able to tell the difference
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spicy.lemonade: Framing has never failed me
a1c4p0ne: I’m up for the day
spicy.lemonade: I got a 100% on test and 18 points extra credit
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/gamler-gambler-gambling-niels-neisl-gif-5534470329269101956
wellmeaningalien: just make sure to wake up
wellmeaningalien: cooked
spicy.lemonade: Sem
spicy.lemonade: All dem
.wolfnacht: More weeks
spicy.lemonade: I haven’t gone to a single lecture
st.sioux: and dont drink 4 cans of espresso before the exam or you will turbocrash
spicy.lemonade: And I score really well
spicy.lemonade: I never go to lectures and I cram the night before
a1c4p0ne: I just won 3 blackjack hands and got all my money back +1350 <@458069236825194506>
wellmeaningalien: buddy oh chum you BETTER use them and stop procrastinating
.histic: next week it is.
spicy.lemonade: This worked out for me in the end
spicy.lemonade: Hooray
spicy.lemonade: And I get more days to study for midterm
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/forced-to-play-gif-20710116
wellmeaningalien: congrats lil bro
.wolfnacht: https://x.com/OpenRouterAI/status/1910412926994854274
brain4brain: Now, AGI 2025 shall also happen
brain4brain: They all thought I was schizo when I said Quasar
brain4brain:
joaoluz19: Infinity context about you
joaoluz19: Memory is HUGE
futurist_wizard: Why
joaoluz19: A big day for waifuism
spicy.lemonade: DOCTORS NOTE SUCESSFUL
futurist_wizard: I have never seen the jetsons
futurist_wizard:
wellmeaningalien: and then it turned out they were like openai or gemini
wellmeaningalien: pretty sure someone already tried once or twice to claim a stealth model as their own
.histic: <@848793071579693107> is a prophet.
futurist_wizard: Wtf is quasar
.wolfnacht: also
futurist_wizard:
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/knightrider7880-no-sex-no-for-you-no-sex-for-you-gif-7355115843412676284
.wolfnacht: no, filters
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hikukomoru: Anime girl squeal sound
brain4brain: Would you guys say Gemini-2.5-pro is college student level or PhD level, and would you say o3 is college level or PhD level?
st.sioux: eeek
futurist_wizard: I have a thing for gingers
hikukomoru: 60s femboy 🥵
futurist_wizard: It made her face worse
.wolfnacht: nah this one's more
futurist_wizard: Bottom right is hot
.wolfnacht: bro really tried to look like 60s ads
futurist_wizard: Fuck o3
futurist_wizard: I do not tink the visual intelligence has increased
hikukomoru:
zoermena: Yes
hikukomoru: Why didn't the pizza guy just take a plane to deliver my pizza? Is he stupid?
zoermena: I actually was an idiot and put my first delivery on the wrong address so I payed twice for the pizza. In theory that could’ve been for you but you live on the other side of the world.
hikukomoru: You didn't get me any
what a shame
futurist_wizard: At least it can generate wacky images
futurist_wizard: Doomer era
futurist_wizard: Wow it's fucked it up already
zoermena: I also ended up getting pizza
hikukomoru: Much cuter 👍
Carl-bot#1536:
zoermena: I finally found a good prompt and improved my profile picture <@505313122802728972>
futurist_wizard: My own benchmark
futurist_wizard: I will do a previous test to see if o3 is much smarter than o1
zoermena: 200k IIRC
rayanquitplayin: True
himekokatagiri: Because then you break the internet
rayanquitplayin: Soo why doesn’t Google privatize their search data? Then AI companies couldn’t use their data to train their ai models
himekokatagiri: Googles strongest soldier just DESTROYED mid journey
futurist_wizard: I genuinely think its cute, its like watching a little goblin solve a puzzle
futurist_wizard: I like how you can see how o3 thinks
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: it works p wel lfor me
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: the same amount as google gemini and idk if it works or hallucinating
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: roughly
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: i put in lik e256k tokens
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: do u know the token input limit of gpt o3
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: heyguys
hikukomoru: Horrifying face
Carl-bot#1536:
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hey1_1hey: It wouldn't supprise me if Zon is a gay trans black oppressed girlboss
st.sioux: you could literally make your ui if you wanted to
.wolfnacht: dats fine lol
hikukomoru: Smh another DEI hire like Zon
futurist_wizard: She doesn't like them
.wolfnacht: yea why
hey1_1hey: Ignorance is bliss to them it seems. I have told them its *bad*. Like really *bad* but a majority of people do it in my class so its normal
hikukomoru: Are you Asian
futurist_wizard: I am very giddy today
liberatedpotato: Ollama and open-webUI*
liberatedpotato: For me the UX/UI is a bit more important than the quality of the model
so for now even tho I have ollama installed I mainly use chatGPT...
For image generation tho, open source is the only way lol
hey1_1hey: I am happy every day knowing I dont have that kind of attention span
futurist_wizard: They should die
.wolfnacht: that guy looks like me, but without glasses.
hey1_1hey: Theres people ik irl that can't do their work without watching a new tiktok video every 20-30 seconds
futurist_wizard:
.histic: it's like 4o's personality on steroids.
.histic: maybe too much
.histic: i'm using LLama Maverick on lmsys and damn it's so conversational.
hey1_1hey: God forbid you haver ADHD/ADD and you use it
futurist_wizard: And if you have it you should be arrested
futurist_wizard: Tik tok is brain poison
hey1_1hey: Tiktok is like rat poisen ngl
_cloudost: and they get so triggered when i say thats not true
st.sioux: your problem is using tiktok bro
_cloudost: on tiktok some still believe deepseek is better than all AI MODELS FROM THE US
.histic: makes sense
.histic: short attention span
st.sioux: beijing style
spicy.lemonade: wazzup beijing
st.sioux: he doesnt see you as people
hikukomoru: I’m literally right here bitch
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ccp-cheering-cheer-china-gif-4951966975695656474
spicy.lemonade: im pro ccp
_cloudost: they are al silent
hey1_1hey: I love 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳
_cloudost: tiktok and some me,bees here were very pro ccp because of deepseek
.wolfnacht: a 72b is already like the whole summary of internet.
hey1_1hey: True ig
futurist_wizard: It won't work
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fractalcomputer: I'm making a very specific statement about the epistemological nature of mathematics.
_3sphere: I guess? I'm not in the mood to poke around how we can claim to know anything at all 😭
fractalcomputer: I wouldn't necessarily argue that mathematical models *explain* anything; from the way I see it, mathematical statements are only ever assertory statements.
_3sphere: What if time is a [long line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_line_(topology))
_3sphere: I see no fundamental issue with actual infinities existing. Numbers and infinities are abstractions we use, and just because so far there's nothing we see in reality that's best described with actual infinities, doesn't mean no such thing exists
_3sphere: Eternal universes aren't ruled out either
_3sphere: Can't go any norther
_3sphere: Isn't a completely mathematically sensible explanation that the big bang is like the North pole?
_3sphere: General relativity kinda fucks with time
fractalcomputer: Well, the theists seem to have a rather easy answer to the question.
literallyvarane: But the whole “where did existence start?” Question is difficult to answer under any framework, so the door I think must be left open.
literallyvarane: I guess I don’t find them to be sufficient? Certainly no modern miracle is convincing, and biblical miracles don’t really happen anymore? And in 2025 you really need to see them happen first hand.
But more broadly I don’t think miracles are necessarily the bar, which again, is why I’m not really able to name specific evidence.
_3sphere: autocorrect smfh 😭
_3sphere: Ontological
fractalcomputer: Certainly.
fractalcomputer: I know, I'm just curious why you'd use such a similar line of reasoning.
_3sphere: There's also a pretty wide gap between what you get from oncological argument stuff and the detailed specific religions people believe
fractalcomputer: That'll surely be fun. I think it's a good idea that the young'uns get exposed to philosophical ideas that they don't get to discover elsewhere.
literallyvarane: I know how this works lololol it’s not like it not familiar with religious beliefs.
_3sphere: Agnostic too
fractalcomputer: Well, many religious people claim to be convinced because of miracles they have themselves witnessed; and are vehemently convinced that what they experienced was evidence of the religion of their choosing.
trent_k: I recently started taking my daughter to a 7th day adventist church with my parents. Good to have community and the historical bits they cover are very interesting. I like hearing about old timey slavery
literallyvarane: Which is memes trust me I know.
literallyvarane: I don’t know really. You’d know it when you see it I guess?
trent_k: I'd say I'm more agnostic. No religion makes a very convincing case to me but atheism has too many holes in it too, and also requires a similar type of religious faith regarding some things I can't see
literallyvarane: I’m not intensely anti-religion though. It does plenty of people good throughout their lives.
fractalcomputer: What would constitute evidence in your eyes? I do not think that all modern theistic religions all rely on a single, central claim.
literallyvarane: I probably agnostic I think? I wouldn’t say I’m explicitly atheist, I just don’t think there’s meaningful evidence to support the claim.
fractalcomputer: Trent, you're getting pulled in as well. Do you consider yourself an atheist?
trent_k: "By Mac Book, Siri Jobs and Chip Cook" hahaha
fractalcomputer: Varane, are you an atheist?
literallyvarane: It’s honestly unclear if that photo is even fully AI? It’s like the background got a filter, then the people got 1:1 replaced.
fractalcomputer: Antitheism is an ethical position, after all; I'd like to hear your justification against theism and religions in general.
fractalcomputer: An interesting position. Two queries; how knowledgeable are you with natural philosophy and the mathematics of physics, and why are you an anti-theist?
_cloudost: GOD IS SO FAKE
_cloudost: Then atheist
_cloudost: I'm Anti-theist first
fractalcomputer: Cloudo, would you consider yourself an atheist?
_cloudost: Took humans 200k years to be at this point, if ASI were here today it would build a civilization that's far bigger than today's, in 6 months
_cloudost: Dude, I freaking love this technology. Fuck these boring luddite antis that want to ruin everything.
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fuhulootogan: uhh
fractalcomputer: Well, that's odd. Because I am a eunuch geek, from what I've heard.
technocake.: Anyone who subscribes to science in general is well aware of the assumptions you have to make to have it be an effective world model, I think this is what pisses Alejandro off
fractalcomputer: It is a polite way of saying that you can always just not be here if you do not like the place.
zonchao: no
fuhulootogan: but thank you
fuhulootogan: what a superfluous reminder
fuhulootogan: i think i was always welcome
fractalcomputer: Zon, do you find me disagreeable?
zonchao: <a:mhm:1277135886320009316>
_cloudost: Hi jgudy
fuhulootogan: ahout what
technocake.:
fractalcomputer: Then you are welcome to leave.
fuhulootogan: i think first hand i had bad impressions as well
fractalcomputer: I'm not sure the other active members here would agree.
fuhulootogan: he probably also thinks you're a eunuch geek
fuhulootogan: alejandro has been here for more than a year and he has a bad impression of you as well
fuhulootogan: but i have reinforced defense for thinking that you are indeed a eunuch geek
fuhulootogan: nothing makes me think that if i took my time with you my judgement towards you would change
fractalcomputer: That you are rather hasty to make judgments of character?
fuhulootogan: if i'm new and i think you're a eunuch geek then that may say something
fractalcomputer: Bit of a dramatic way to announce that you are not going to participate in a conversation.
fractalcomputer: Your loss, methinks.
technocake.: This guy is the new jgudy
fractalcomputer: You've only today chosen to mark your presence here and now you're calling me a eunuch?
fuhulootogan: i wouldn't be surprised if it was so
alejandrozarzuelo: its weird how this conversation, that i like to have with my pure math anti science friend, becomes so unbearable with someone like you, i cant stand having a conversation where you participate
if you excuse me, i will not continue the conversation
fuhulootogan: probably castrated as well
fuhulootogan: yeah he's a geek
fractalcomputer: And if it is the way things are, how do inductive probabilities give any insight into the way things are?
fractalcomputer: What is truth, Alejandro? Is it the way things are?
alejandrozarzuelo: but i dont want to have this conversation, specially with you
fractalcomputer: How?
alejandrozarzuelo: yes
fractalcomputer: Does replication have any impact on the veridicality of knowledge?
alejandrozarzuelo: I am only one human, science is a collaborative effort, you cant trust your senses
if replicated by others and quantified, sure
alejandrozarzuelo: what we understand as learing is a complex topic
Learning must encompass what humans, non human animals, plants and all other life forms do, to not have an anthropocentric view of the concept
under a generous definition, we can say that AI changes its internal state when given information, which could be applied to all life
even non alive non AI systems are said to learn when they exhibit this property too
fractalcomputer: If I performed a dozen miracles of healing and other such things, as witnessed by you, would you trust whatever metaphysical baggage I push your way?
fuhulootogan: I've already answered it by saying "don't know"
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hey1_1hey: No epstien tho?
hey1_1hey: I can't feel sad right now. I gotta autism happiness going on rn so you could prob tell me something horrible and I'd still be chilling
trent_k: get owned
trent_k: ted is rolling in his grave
trent_k: 😂
aero447: The comments.
hey1_1hey: Sadly "mushrooms" are just seen as fly agarics since they are the most recognisable ones and they are fairy tail like
aero447: Lmao.
aero447: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtistHate/comments/1jl884m/hayao_miyazaki_who_said_ai_is_insult_to_life/
hey1_1hey: Its just so peak oh my god. If it did anything other than the fly agaric mushroom I think I'd prob start doing jumping jacks out of exicement
.histic: kinda buggy
.histic: multiple tabs lol
.histic:
hey1_1hey: Do continue, how?
.histic: i just realized you can generate two images at the same time
hey1_1hey: Hey I'd watch it is all Im saying
futurist_wizard: The last Ghibli
trent_k: this goes hard as fuck 🤘
hey1_1hey: This would go hard as a movie poster <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/cum-gif-20534148
.histic:
hey1_1hey: Tf are they doing in the back? Feeding it straight computarian or smth
hey1_1hey: I was just watching some of mike istratels and he has really renewed my optimistic mind. I thought I was optimistic but he is REALLY optimistic. He said something that really resonated with me, "if I told you in you in 2021 that in 3 years (2024) AI would be passing the turing test convincgily what would you have told me. You would've probably told me I was fucking crazy but yet here we are and its just normal"
777agical: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1905340075225043057
.histic: you have plus?
wellmeaningalien: nope
wellmeaningalien: lemme see
.histic: do you've access to 4o's img gen?
wellmeaningalien: sad
trent_k: 🤷♂️
trent_k: it doesnt output in the right shapes anyway
wellmeaningalien: do it on sora website
.histic:
trent_k: it did not work
joaoluz19: LMAO
trent_k: i dont know if this res is supported.
trent_k: 🤔
trent_k: gonna try getting it to do altman
playstation.6: https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-infowars-chew-jew-jewish-gif-12295419607760287413
hey1_1hey: When I saw those images I got giddy, then I saw the response and I died a little
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futurist_wizard: 'We' don't die, our continuation of consciousness lives, but our cells die
technocake.: you are not the same you as you think you were a few years ago, it just feels that way to you due to subjective continaity
futurist_wizard: You mean the cells in our body?
technocake.: even living you slowly die and are replaced
technocake.: any other interpretation is cope
hey1_1hey: You're homosexual so you don't have an opinion
realelonmuskx: so the bible says earth was created 6000 years ago and humans on the 6th day? dinosaurs were fake? and it also says it created plants before the sun wtf inconsistent af
hey1_1hey: The best I've gotton out of people on why they don't want to be biologically immoirtal is that "death is natural"
hikukomoru: >Your dad jokes me hurt a lil inside
Next time, learn how to talk before you speak
futurist_wizard: I don't think mind uploading kills you
hey1_1hey: Right weirdos if you ask me
technocake.: just the same as uploading
futurist_wizard: Anything to justify the existence of life after death
futurist_wizard: It's just death denialism
hey1_1hey: Your dad jokes me hurt a lil inside
hikukomoru: I don't think there's anyone named Christian here
technocake.: jehova about to be obsolete
hey1_1hey: Are God is real and based aswell
technocake.: we are literally building god
hey1_1hey: I mean it would make sense but humans are really good at finding loop holes to justify their inservidute to their God
futurist_wizard: Literally defying god or whatever
futurist_wizard: Shouldn't be any
hey1_1hey: I wonder how many christian transhumanists are out there
realelonmuskx: repopulate then
realelonmuskx: any christians here?
futurist_wizard: No, in the political channel i main, they hate Elon, i tried to give some pushback, you know the whole futurism shit
hey1_1hey: When I was at my friends party we were just dogging on Elon musk because every time he is doing something important he looks like he is wizzing of that special K
hikukomoru: Oh so you were one of those redditor Elon simps
hey1_1hey: "ket aura" 😭
futurist_wizard: I went from being an Elon Defender to Hater, oh how i regret my defending
futurist_wizard: I literally hate Elon Musk
futurist_wizard: He's a disgrace
st.sioux: youre just scared of his gigachad alpha sigma ket aura
hikukomoru: He looks so gross
zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>
futurist_wizard: His presence just reeks of it
futurist_wizard:
zonchao: this is a joke btw
zonchao: https://x.com/HussainSajwani/status/1914363184221237446 FUNDING SECURED FOR GORK
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/hype-dance-excited-lets-go-oh-yeah-gif-17953674
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drewsni: https://huggingface.co/spaces/Roblox/cube3d-interactive
zonchao: 100% of the users
zonchao: wrong
trent_k: 5 seconds of amusement and then you never pick it up again
trent_k: It's a toy for 99.9% of users
hikukomoru: WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT OAI
WE GOT GEMINI 2.5 PRO BABYYY
trent_k: Ppl hyped up sora so much but unless you're actively making a ton of videos like what is even the point of it?
ailoveyoom: 😈
ailoveyoom: GPT-3.5 isn't bad. We just have better stuff now
zonchao: xai is a top lab now, they have the talent and funding, they won't be out of the race for a while <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
3ds0662: He came back in black rock style
.0xunkn0wn: 4o image generation woooooo
drewsni: tbh ive not gotten one even decent output out of sora
3ds0662: Elon isn’t out the race just yet
3ds0662: <@704566357743632404> <@430269783112548362> https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/qW9DC8miuF
spicy.lemonade: Sora isnt bad. We just have better stuff now
trent_k: # fuck sora
spicy.lemonade: Would make sense
spicy.lemonade: Been one year since sora
hikukomoru: No we're all evil
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/black-sabbath-war-pigs-generals-gathered-in-their-masses-cat-meme-gif-16029358381598420694
literallyvarane: Experimental
trent_k: No, it's just people leaving the initial "holy shit wow" period as they run into the limitations the models always had. A lot of people seemingly aren't cognizant of the fact they're running into model limitations tho, and think it's the model getting worse from a previous good point
literallyvarane: SORA 2.5 Pro, world model.
ailoveyoom: Sora 1.5 lol
zonchao: but it's not "taking" groks base
st.sioux: idk
st.sioux: thye're probably starting to learn how to actually code and realizing its not as good as they thought it was before
spicy.lemonade: Sora 2 showcase?
zonchao: yes
spicy.lemonade: Wonder why Sora is included
literallyvarane: Counter point. Google already has a meaningful API customer base.
i_like_over_9000_turtles: what lol some autistic have buddhic hyper morality.
literallyvarane: “Didn’t know you were chill like that”
3ds0662: Yes it used to be able to handle increasing codebase size, agentic search and instruction following much more intelligently.
zonchao: i don't think they have a market overlap, gemini has inactive app users and no integrations with google apps... or they are perpetual beta testing
will have to see when both drop APIs tho
trent_k: At this point the standard process seems to be a big announcement, then a long wait. It could go either way today, being that they quietly announced it 316 days ago
spicy.lemonade: Tru
hikukomoru: No he's just autistic
Autistic people are naturally evil
literallyvarane: Feel like Google and Deepseek are the only companies that make OpenAI actually move.
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trojan09205: Have you ever read Yitzhak Bentov fractal?
fractalcomputer: Nirvana just means extinction. Perpetual, inconceivable.
shirethedreamer: one must imagine sisyphus happy
trojan09205: I think it depends on how much your inner judge plays a role in your mental opinions or your interpretation of others’
trojan09205: I was that way for a long time <@430269783112548362> . Was pretty religious and just held onto it very steadfast over a long period of time. But then I saw that a new path was more empowering- and it meant less rigid opinions about nearly everything
Yeah i still have a personality, but I am much more fluid and happy now
fractalcomputer: Some Buddhists do. And that is supposedly fine. But Buddhist doctrine simply states that all such paradisical pleasures will still be temporary *at best*, after which you'll just drop back in the ranks, to begin the slow and improbable ascent again.
trojan09205: I am not sure I agree. Just me though
shirethedreamer: okay but why not work towards being reborn in a paradise existence?
why not want the good stuff?
instead what they are working towards is just to end it all, the bad and the good
fractalcomputer: It's an end to a beginningless horror.
ailoveyoom: Tbh the opposite problem is probably worse, having so little sense of self that you have no solid opinion you can hold on to 😔
fractalcomputer: You have to consider that according to Buddhism, the cycle of death and rebirth will take you through innumerable aeons of hells and paradises, through eternities of intense pain and something approximating pleasure; to the point where your individual life is nothing but a tiny moment in a beginningless cascade of holocausts, struggles and the occasional, fleeting triumphs—you can be born as an insect or as an animal, here, on Earth, or you could be born as an ever-hungering, ever-thirsting ghost for decamillennia at a time. Surely you'd want to see some calmness, some safe harbour in such a dark maelstrom. Nirvana is simply a release or absolution from that journey.
trojan09205: He had some guy who he beefed with for years
trojan09205: I mean the story of Georg Cantor is an example that comes to mind
shirethedreamer: its pretty much ego death followed by perma death (no more rebirths)
i cant understand why that would be something desirable for anyone
bob082957: AGI is enough
trojan09205: Scientists and mathematicians are especially like this in many cases
trojan09205: Yeah for sure. I think its fine to hold an opinion, but sometimes people put their whole identity into it like you say…and theyre so invested that they feel like they lose their sense of self by acquiescing or backing down later
spicy.lemonade: i know one thing for sure 2027 and 2030 will be insane years
fractalcomputer: Why so?
ailoveyoom: It's why some debates can get heated
ailoveyoom: Don't you think people derive some sense of identity from the opinion they hold? 🤔
trojan09205: Not per se, but at least I am avoiding purgatory 😉
shirethedreamer: always hated the concept
spicy.lemonade: yeah i dont think ASI 2027
shirethedreamer: honestly a pretty solid prediction
2026-2030 for different levels of AGI
(not ASI in 2027 though 💀 )
fractalcomputer: Congratulations, you have found nirvana.
trojan09205: Everyone would be much happier if they wouldnt be married to their fleeting opinions
alejandrozarzuelo: Look, I am not gonna elaborate for the sake of peace, and also because he is the owner of the server, but I think my opinions have been stated clearly
fractalcomputer: I will return to reading Russell.
trojan09205: https://tenor.com/view/yup-butt-head-mike-judge-mike-judge%27s-beavis-and-butt-head-s2-e11-gif-8103816649828206245
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/shock-omg-wtf-gif-9529399967387625859
ailoveyoom: True, they should try giving head instead 😔
brain4brain: AGI 2025
trojan09205: Im jk bro lol
fractalcomputer: Gasp.
trojan09205: No u
fractalcomputer: Every accusation is a confession, it would seem.
okbut: >AI is the box where my math homework gets solved
trojan09205: When will AIs be able to engineer perfumes/colognes for personal styles. Would be a service to humanity to get rid of some stench
shirethedreamer: you guys are butting heads for several days now 😦
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hikukomoru: Agree
I can excuse their shit naming practices since their models are all great
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: google stay winning
wellmeaningalien: nah but google cooking rn fr
wellmeaningalien: bet its gonna be a banger
hikukomoru: Waiting for Gemini 3.0 Pro preview 08-25 Flash Lite Thinking Experimental to drop
retrerox: Pretty impressive
wellmeaningalien: i wonder how a model like this got 1.5% on arc agi 2
wellmeaningalien: while gemini 2.5 pro is now 5 points ahead
wellmeaningalien: also new benchmark refresh makes claude 3.7 sonnet below o3 mini high and o1 high
literallyvarane: v2 experimental
literallyvarane: Max
literallyvarane: I’m sleep until Gemini 3.0 Pro
wellmeaningalien: ouch
wellmeaningalien: llama 4 maverick gets cleared by gemini 2.0 flash, qwen 2.5 max, gpt 4o, deepseek v3 and claude 3.7 sonnet
wellmeaningalien: livebench benchmarks refresh + livebench numbers came out
ldj: Bullish
wellmeaningalien: with test time training layers (learning at test time) by giving hidden layers inside the neural network the ability to learn during output effectively making them neural networks within neural networks it makes the videos much more coherent long term
wellmeaningalien: "In an underwater adventure, Jerry locates a treasure map and searches for the treasure while evading Tom in a chase through coral reefs and kelp forests. Jerry triumphantly discovers treasure inside a shipwreck, blissfully celebrating while Tom's pursuit leads him into trouble with a hungry shark."
wellmeaningalien: this video was generated by 1 single prompt with no splicing whatsoever
metaldragon01: They post gpqa for the 70b so looks like the method scales well
metaldragon01:
metaldragon01: Esp with these new methods that scale ambiguous things like writing quality ect that can generalize
metaldragon01: We are getting close to rapid self improvement pipelines tbh
metaldragon01: They are going to keep upgrading them too
metaldragon01: Same but that 3b absolutely cracked
clevermoniker: if this is real this is a big deal
clevermoniker: <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175>
clevermoniker: 8B at 81 MMLU when the 8B distill is 70?
clevermoniker: wished they also had GPQA score
metaldragon01: Yeaaap
clevermoniker: 72 MMLU at 3B <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175>
metaldragon01: Both pretty great tbh!
metaldragon01: This feels more impressive to me though
metaldragon01: https://www.deepcogito.com/research/cogito-v1-preview
metaldragon01: Yes
hey1_1hey: Is this real?
hey1_1hey: Yo
hey1_1hey: https://x.com/togethercompute/status/1909697122372378908
metaldragon01: https://thinkingmachines.ai/
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thedon7075: if o4 mini performs a lot worse than o3, then we could be seeing the beginning of diminishing returns in this series
.histic: bruh, i just saw that.
i did it & it kept generating me the same chick.
and my memory is disabled.
okbut: Also maybe a SWE agent and others
zoermena: Agreed
zoermena: Speaking of which I saw some minutes ago in r/chatpgt of someone trying a prompt of how your “gf would look like” based on what it knows about you thanks to the memory update. Messed with me a little
callmepyro: Last week they teased it “coming soon”
callmepyro: Google also has 2.5 flash thinking around the corner
thedon7075: so this should be the biggest release of the bunch
thedon7075: so o4 mini could perform similar to o3, whilst being significantly cheaper
thedon7075: o3 mini performs similar to o1
callmepyro: So 2.5 will stay king in cursor
callmepyro: I think o3 will be a little better than 2.5 pro, but it will cost 5x more
thedon7075: yeh!
callmepyro: NEH
a1c4p0ne: 2.5 will remain king or dethroned
thedon7075: this might be the day where something actually happens
thedon7075: o4 mini is coming
okbut: gpt-4.1, gpt-4.1-mini, gpt-4.1-nano, o3, o4-mini
Predicting 5 days of Shipmas
okbut: Crazy that wasn't even a reply on one of his tweets, he just had to stop and type that
st.sioux: goonchat awakened
.histic: how sweet 🥺
.histic: he said he was proud of his son's morning boners
.histic: even his sons
okbut: I thought morning wood was because of circadian rythm (testosterone higher in the morning)
spicy.lemonade: bryan johnson always talking about boners
zonchao: https://x.com/HeidiBriones/status/1911588861937172934?
okbut: It's funny because Bard was one of the first to use Latex
darkstar0818: they will fix the AI, it has nothing to do with the model. Unless it simply hasn't been fine tuned to emit the necessary character codes to trigger the ui element
okbut: / consistently
okbut: Yeah I've yet to even intruct it to do so properly
st.sioux: or do you mean UI rendering
okbut: That's the only reason they wouldn't throw it in yet
st.sioux: its just code
st.sioux: probs not much
okbut: The fact that it can't yet makes me wonder how much it detriments performance
.histic: to write out latex and to render it
.histic: better on the eyes
.histic: just in general
for math, like chatgpt does.
darkstar0818: to contain the spew?
.histic: gemini needs to use latex asap
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hey1_1hey: All the messages you've read have been deepfaked
sarik0497: <a:PepeNervous:779370352249798718>
sarik0497: Nothing happening. Just out discussing Open- vs. Closed-source!
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-22114363
hey1_1hey: I wasn't apart of this
joaoluz19: He came
joaoluz19: Sheesh we are cooked guys
sarik0497: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jivft5/chinas_opensource_embrace_upends_conventional/
fractalcomputer: I heard my name being mentioned.
ailoveyoom: It's out?
hey1_1hey: That would be hell
hey1_1hey: Of 2.5k people...
spicy.lemonade: Gemini 2 pro thinking
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: I second this
hey1_1hey: I blame Komoru for the downfall of scocity
hikukomoru: Group goon sesh 🙏 🔥
joaoluz19: We need a channel just for waifus
sarik0497: I blame Michmach for that grammar mistake. And this one.
joaoluz19: It's joever
sarik0497: So...are we back yet?
hey1_1hey: You're right, we need to do this as a group
spicy.lemonade: Always goon
st.sioux: this is not very singular
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/never-goon-bozonga-hjjw-saraiva-skibidi-gif-15011026571260862033
sarik0497: Although the way Steven is just sitting there, watching us, scares me.
hey1_1hey: Instant perma bans for everyone in a 200m (message) radius
hey1_1hey: The irony runs deep
sarik0497: ...Imagine if Fractal came online right now
hey1_1hey: You're the last person to be posting this
hey1_1hey: I chant welsh poetry while gooning
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/never-goon-nevergoon-never-goon-orange-cat-gif-17686207109324907182
futurist_wizard: I don't watch porn
ailoveyoom: Once upon a time... 🥺 😔
ailoveyoom: too
ailoveyoom: Tumblr
ailoveyoom: RedGIFs
hikukomoru: Quick shot
hey1_1hey: For you maybe 💀
futurist_wizard: Porn basically is shortform
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himekokatagiri: idk because doxxing is basically googling ad infinitum right
trent_k: ask your preferred deep research tool "find information about Trent Kelly, a resident of Pennsylvania"
trent_k: AI doesnt help because it either follows irrelevant leads or makes shit up completely
himekokatagiri: since AI is the ultimate private investigator
alejandrozarzuelo: You also do know that you can look up every university professor on any university and know their office hours and freely go there, right?
Like, many professions already doxx you by default, so what
I don't recall anyone in my university getting death threats just because they are available
himekokatagiri: esp with AI I think it's pretty easy too
himekokatagiri: That's mean
trent_k: holy shit wtf some guy lives in spain? there's a guy living there? and his name is alejandro??? i will act on this information immediately
okbut: Too boring to be doxxed
hikukomoru:
alejandrozarzuelo: You do know that it is trivially easy to figure out
Also people have instagram where they photograph themselves on every angle possible
hikukomoru: Why are you not afraid of sharing that information with others
alejandrozarzuelo: Cool
hikukomoru: I know your full name and where you live Alejandro
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't want to but I could
alejandrozarzuelo: Easily
alejandrozarzuelo: I can doxx you if I want
alejandrozarzuelo: Bah
himekokatagiri: after the singularity can I be your tomoko
hikukomoru: Shit taste mate
okbut: Some options better than 4.1: 4o+, 4oo, 4o Pro (Experimental)
himekokatagiri: for everything
himekokatagiri: also anonymity should be exercised
himekokatagiri: You failed
trent_k: i put my real name and face on my discord to remind myself not to fedpost too hard
trent_k: disagree
alejandrozarzuelo: Oh damn is this where it comes from
himekokatagiri: vocalist of eight cm nails
himekokatagiri: Trent Korn
himekokatagiri: trentk did it.
hikukomoru: Of course not Alejandro
You're the only person who would put their real name on their discord account
himekokatagiri: Hikki K. Omoru
himekokatagiri: its hikikomoru
alejandrozarzuelo: Komoru can't possibly be your real name
himekokatagiri: oh
hikukomoru: No this is my main account
I don't post a single thing on my other, just a lurker account
himekokatagiri: everyone teaming up to witness AGI
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress-2-mvm-mann-vs-machine-medic-gif-3285869801930773374
anathemaofmankind: Why are you asking
anathemaofmankind: I do?
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spicy.lemonade: 2032?
joaoluz19: You can't be sure of that
spicy.lemonade: Imagine I studied a week before
futurist_wizard: Full volume
futurist_wizard: https://youtu.be/LA7sFbpTKCw?si=thPqqnVCxVUJTcZa
This auto played on my phone
spicy.lemonade: Shits wild
spicy.lemonade: I learned 1 month of content in a day
spicy.lemonade: Yeah
spicy.lemonade: Literally no point
spicy.lemonade: 2032
spicy.lemonade: PhD takes 4 more years
technocake.: if you can cram for the hardest test in a day, you caaan learn anything in a day
spicy.lemonade: Even if not
spicy.lemonade: Will have PhD ai researchers by then
spicy.lemonade: I graduate with bachelors in 2028
spicy.lemonade: No use
spicy.lemonade: I wanted a PhD in Ai
spicy.lemonade: 💀
technocake.: its all about learning to learn fast
theaiguy69420_89814: Once you go pink, they have to take you off the rink
theaiguy69420_89814: Dam that bitch made u a fucc boi now
spicy.lemonade: Not going to grad school
spicy.lemonade: Gpa useless in age of Ai
spicy.lemonade: As long as it’s over 3.0
spicy.lemonade: I don’t even care about my gpa anymore
theaiguy69420_89814: Ok
spicy.lemonade: Lemme know how it goes
spicy.lemonade: Nice
st.sioux: i used to do the same shit in college, didnt go to a single math class one semester and they refused to let me take the final exam unless i showed my id because they didn't believe it was actually me
theaiguy69420_89814: Using zapier
theaiguy69420_89814: <@471334973379706900> I'm making ur app but android version
technocake.: this is the path to supreme crackedness
technocake.: This is the way, don't forget to use all your extra time to learn even more random shit
a1c4p0ne: Never again
a1c4p0ne: 2.5 failed me before
a1c4p0ne: And won
a1c4p0ne: I didn’t this time
st.sioux: lmaooo
st.sioux: are u kidding me are u using ai to play blackjack
spicy.lemonade: Craming
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st.sioux: not all of them and not overnight
.histic:
realelonmuskx: its sad seeing all your skills become wortheless overnight because of the twink but it is what it is
realelonmuskx: by 2030 most white collar jobs wont exist dud
zoermena: So next year Hollywood is dead
zoermena: Imagine when we get this level of quality with Sora
.histic:
.histic: cursed
.histic:
anathemaofmankind: The fact that Elon has many kids makes that obvious
.histic: money can get you a lot
.histic: named pink sparklz
.histic: i remember when asmon was dating the big tit chick
futurist_wizard: Tbh
futurist_wizard: Im lowballing a lot
anathemaofmankind: Hate is a successful marketing strategy
futurist_wizard: Probably closer to 2m a month
st.sioux: and all he has to do is spread hate
futurist_wizard: Multiple videos a day all at over 500k, man is making at least 1m a month
futurist_wizard: Asmongold is making an absurd amount of money rn
anathemaofmankind: People watch Asmongold to validate their own biases not get insightful commentary
.histic:
zoermena: This, say goodbye to copyrighted characters or decent semi nsfw
.histic: https://x.com/sama/status/1905069027858448667
is he speaking to me?
futurist_wizard: Asmongold be like 'dur AI women games bad woke altgayman dur' either way you aren't getting insightful commentary
.histic: also, my paycheck is biweekly, and i already spent a lot of dumb stuff <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
anathemaofmankind: You realize the image gen could get nerfed if you wait too long?
Nerfs have happened before
zoermena: I almost spit my drink holy fuck 😂
.histic: i do, i just kind of want to wait until GPT-5 comes out
anathemaofmankind: Don't forget the deadpan childish jokes
.histic: 😬 so tempted
futurist_wizard: Critikal be like 'dur dis scawry dur anyway see ya'
zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982
anathemaofmankind: Do it bro
drewsni: No joke I could see them pausing subs for a week
zoermena: The best 20 dollars you could ever spend in the 21 first century
anathemaofmankind: Well they got a lot of views
hikukomoru: Oh my god bro not Assmangold and Critikal
.histic: i'm so tempted in buying the $20 sub
brain4brain: The future is here
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spicy.lemonade: whens the last time we heard that
st.sioux: even if it doesnt make your body impervious to space you could just clone your brain like spicy said
spicy.lemonade: "as a language model"
spicy.lemonade: the good old days
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: genetic engineering is powerful
himekokatagiri: there won't be anything to buy
himekokatagiri: you won't buy anything it'll be built in
himekokatagiri: uhhhh
juweigege_54993: Then memory cards. I'll buy a lot of memory cards.
himekokatagiri: like make you impervious to space?
himekokatagiri: idk if ASI can beat space like this
.histic: I thought we were talking about in a world with ASI
ldj: <@343524947353665540> proof: https://x.com/GaryMarcus/status/1855382564015689959
st.sioux: yes we do bro
himekokatagiri: 😨
himekokatagiri: we don't use hard drives in 2025
juweigege_54993: I imagine being able to buy extra gard drives for my brain.
himekokatagiri: all the dead astronauts from ages past would like to disagree
ldj: The funniest part is that it's not even fake, it's literally a tweet he posted
st.sioux: asteroids will seem like such a minor nuisance by then
joaoluz19: I'll let gradient descent decide what my world will be like.
spicy.lemonade: something something quantum computer
.histic: that's not that imaginative
himekokatagiri: can your brain fit in an entire universe
zoermena: I would like to leave earth and move to a terraformed planet
juweigege_54993: Me too.
himekokatagiri: I never thought of that
himekokatagiri: ...does, does that work?
spicy.lemonade: if it gets to that point
spicy.lemonade: ill just turn on fdvr mode in my brain
himekokatagiri: probably forever
himekokatagiri: and you're gonna be stuck in space
zoermena: Yeah true, with work and classes I’ve never really given myself the time to just sit and study properly but I’ll make an effort
st.sioux: you can have checkpoints before you go on space trips bro
himekokatagiri: but then are you really alive
spicy.lemonade: yes
himekokatagiri: well unless if you're an Android
spicy.lemonade: im going to be in a robot body
himekokatagiri: outer space
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spicy.lemonade: they said it
spicy.lemonade: we do
brain4brain: You have no way of knowing
spicy.lemonade: will be in gpt5
spicy.lemonade: dynamic thinking neds to be solved aswell
spicy.lemonade: yeah
brain4brain: Most of the time isn’t in generating action, rather it’s in thinking and planning
spicy.lemonade: "move left by 2 units"
brain4brain: The real AGI benchmark is when there are no more things that apply under the moravec paradox and these skeptics have faith in the AGI
spicy.lemonade: and faster
spicy.lemonade: they need more forms of input
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: via voice comand
spicy.lemonade: like imagine having to play pokemon
brain4brain: Moravec PhD
spicy.lemonade: nah just saying. its time limited
fractalcomputer: God forbid men have standards.
brain4brain: It is going as expected
brain4brain: Nothing to worry about
brain4brain: This is exactly why we are 5% to AGI
aero447: Because even small children beat those games.
spicy.lemonade: most phds dont
aero447: Are you implying that the model can beat Pokemon faster than a small child?
brain4brain: They should make the model make it own map
fractalcomputer: Models have not produced meaningful results in "PhD-level" research.
brain4brain: To be fair, it was given a map
spicy.lemonade: got farther than claude so far
aero447: It's been weeks.
spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 is stiull playing
aero447: We do.
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: we dont know that actually
aero447: It crushes o3's benchmarks.
aero447: Look at Google's DR vs OpenAI's.
aero447: Yes, it did.
brain4brain: No it didn’t
aero447: 😂
aero447: Can't beat Pokemon.
aero447: Gemini 2.5 beats o3.
brain4brain: Thats Claude-3.7-sonnet not full o3, full o3 is PhD level
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aero447: What do they sell in Vietnam?
oooooooooog: yeah thats true
hey1_1hey: Joined on the 24 of feb this year tho
oooooooooog: he only has 2k messages in this discord, so not that much (probably)
spacetimetsunami: Because I can sense things and move throughout reality. And because I also know I’m not in FDVR or anything similar
st.sioux: nothing like talking about death with a hooker
shirethedreamer: how much of your day are you on discord?
spacetimetsunami: I am not talking about people living in their games. People who do that today are obviously no different than what I am condemning.
hikukomoru: Yaaaay
oooooooooog: reality as your perceive it is patterns, and FDVR is patterns, they are the same lol
fractalcomputer: How do you know what is real?
nsec: it will never happen simply live in the now, bring a hooker to church, get wasted and do cocaine off a fatman's stomach, go to brazil for carnival, learn the ways of the mountain goat in nepal and become enlightend by that type of shit they sell in vietnam
spacetimetsunami: I mean it’ll feel as real, it just simply won’t be. And I’ll know that, so it will affect me.
shirethedreamer: most people living in their games are not in fact making a living gaming
they are just living like this
hey1_1hey: Fractal is the head honcho ring leader (Head schzio) San is the group news aggregator and thought sharer and you are just the weird gremlin that I sometimes talk to
spacetimetsunami: Computers are necessary interfaces in order to get things done in the real world. A lot of people even make a living gaming, it’s a bit different.
fractalcomputer: Then that would imply that reality derives from the way I perceive it; and granted that full-dive virtual reality or some other analogue would simply manipulate my apperception of that reality, why should that curation be any less real than this one?
hey1_1hey: Nw, although I would say its for different reaons...
zoermena: As long as we get LEV
hikukomoru: I'm glad to be included in a group with those two 😊
shirethedreamer: what do you consider just taking part and what is living?
a lot of people today are on their PC in virtual environments for most of their day
they spend more time in virtual spaces than they do in real life
where are they living?
spacetimetsunami: Haha lol
hey1_1hey: only 30% of the class passed <:doomer:1136265388473196644>
sarik0497: Unfortunately my dudes, I think discussing FDVR already is a bit too early. I hope we might get a glimpse of it soon, but I have my doubts it'll be anywhere close until the late 30s <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>
hey1_1hey: No thanks, I got my results back for my exams today and I passed them all. I do better without them
spacetimetsunami: Religious cope
spacetimetsunami: As far as you’re concerned, yes. When you die nothing exists anymore - for you. The world as far as you experience it is gone.
hikukomoru: Looks like you need to take your meds then schizo
spacetimetsunami: I’ll take part in it. I just won’t live in it.
hey1_1hey: If anyone was a hallucination here it would either be you, fractal or san
sarik0497: For all we know, we live in such a simulation right now and dying makes us "return" to the "real" world.
fractalcomputer: Why? Is reality contingent on my existence?
shirethedreamer: well, if you feel that way you dont have to take part in them
if you value certain experiences less than others it makes sense that you would not be interested in them just as much
but think of this conversation
does it being made through virtual medium of discord make it any less of a real conversation than one we would have face to face?
spacetimetsunami: Yeah, the one where you die is real.
hey1_1hey: You seem made up, straight hallucination then again I dont say anything.
sarik0497: Interesting comparison you make, as it'd lead to the same outcome. "You"-you believes that you die.
st.sioux: it is real
fractalcomputer: Is there a conclusion I am supposed to draw here?
hikukomoru: That's not a real term
He just made it up right now
spacetimetsunami: Okay.
Shoot yourself in the head in FDVR
Shoot yourself in the head irl
There ya go.
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wellmeaningalien: <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988>
wellmeaningalien: we are NOT ready
i_like_over_9000_turtles: what if they release the kraken...
i_like_over_9000_turtles: https://tenor.com/view/release-the-kraken-gif-14602611039161448443
metaldragon01: I'm fairly sure most people will be happy with what they release
wellmeaningalien: maybeee
metaldragon01: And phone
wellmeaningalien: 😬
spicy.lemonade: prob just means best consumer hardware
wellmeaningalien: most people's own hardware is ehhhhh
wellmeaningalien: i think he knows most people would be pissed if he didnt open source o3-mini lol
jonvi_1: I saw an OpenAI employee describe it as "we will release a model you will be able to run on your own hardware"
futurist_wizard:
jonvi_1: Well it's not necessarily binding haha
wellmeaningalien: unless this ain't o3-mini but a 4b parameters reasoning model
wellmeaningalien: also wasnt the poll outcome a local phone sized model
hey1_1hey: I would like to take a tally of everyone on the server who thinks having 1ft of human inside of them is a good idea. Probably no one
hey1_1hey: Thats an enter foot I'll have you know
hey1_1hey: Bigger is not always better youngling
wellmeaningalien: so true!
hey1_1hey: I come back and see this and you made me do a big ol' santa laugh
fractalcomputer: The Blessed Avalokiteśvara has blessed His nation yet again.
wellmeaningalien: only thru the blessings of the Dalai Lama can this be possible
wellmeaningalien: Could be useful for datacenters. And shit
wellmeaningalien: And is equivalent to the entire energy capacity of Germany
fractalcomputer: Another victory for the eternal science of Tantric Buddhism.
wellmeaningalien: 2x larger than their previous dam project which was basically the largest hydroelectric project up to this point in history
wellmeaningalien: Americope title but China is building a new dam that could provide 60 GWh of electricity a year in Tibet
spicy.lemonade: Damn
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5aLyQaNf_Y
fractalcomputer: https://youtu.be/8nlg08EVhlk?si=vHmYI1ES2OrUIgxU
zonchao: <@505313122802728972>
spacetimetsunami: hahaha
spicy.lemonade: No
spacetimetsunami: u r a gai?
spacetimetsunami: If you like goth rock you would like it
spicy.lemonade: I want what she’s having
spicy.lemonade: Holy fuck
fractalcomputer: Never heard of it.
spacetimetsunami: the band
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supersteve8000: just intuition
supersteve8000: wassup?
clevermoniker: uh, what?
supersteve8000: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
clevermoniker: time to get your premium copium <:Ted:1136265390549381253>
supersteve8000: *witter -ly* [ wink ]
supersteve8000: 🩵
supersteve8000: remember to use: emoji's
metaldragon01: Vision is the big one for me
metaldragon01: Computer use, vision, memory main bottlenecks
supersteve8000: i feel *2028* will be peak
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: oh no the luddites have arrived
clevermoniker: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
clevermoniker: I think Very late 2026 at the earliest so far
supersteve8000: the fall has begun
metaldragon01: If we get AGI I think it happens fall at soonest
clevermoniker: 👆
clevermoniker: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
supersteve8000: x
supersteve8000: ^*
supersteve8000: plaint-text be like:
clevermoniker: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
clevermoniker: it won't be capable of automating 50% of digital jobs so it won't be agi to me <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
inferno0879: im across the pond
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: alright ldj lets meet up
supersteve8000: shoot im east coast :/
ldj: Again, same answer: Depends on your definition.
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575> I'll be visting SF for the next few days, if anyone wants to meetup lmk 🙂
supersteve8000: yo yo you can't see me
my time is now now-
brain4brain: Wassup Beijing
supersteve8000: hold up...
.. alr
ldj: The answer is always the same:
"depends on your definition"
supersteve8000: ( bing chillin )
supersteve8000: omfg they got Nsec
supersteve8000: prolly not
supersteve8000: wdym?
supersteve8000: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I'm the upgrade
supersteve8000: gang's all here
supersteve8000: ay
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metaldragon01: https://x.com/sama/status/1905296867145154688
drewsni:
drewsni:
st.sioux: you can just keep retrying it usually works after like 10 seconds
st.sioux: ghibli dale earnhardt
trent_k: Very cool
drewsni: guys its been like 72 hours now and i havent stopped ghiblifying my whole world i need help
anathemaofmankind: Proof that AI is superior
st.sioux: 🤯
st.sioux: if its bad then its real
spicy.lemonade: cause I cant tell
spicy.lemonade: and ask if its ai
spicy.lemonade: gonna generate some obv AI art
spicy.lemonade: we should all start an AI hate rally
spicy.lemonade: 😭
anathemaofmankind: I'm staring to feel empathy for these bozos
spicy.lemonade: shit
avizuradnb: You have to keep the style consistent though for the next one
spicy.lemonade: because they were coping
hikukomoru: It's funny
otub: why are you guys messing with them lol
spicy.lemonade: like i was actively iterating and drawing
spicy.lemonade: addint authenticity
spicy.lemonade: just like i specified
spicy.lemonade: like you can see faded spots of the previous sketch
st.sioux: no way they don't say anything about the ukraine shit
anathemaofmankind: That shit is funny as hell
anathemaofmankind: It's so over for artists
spicy.lemonade: this is op
spicy.lemonade: 😭
anathemaofmankind: You're welcome
spicy.lemonade: omg
spicy.lemonade:
trent_k: Thank u
anathemaofmankind: It has less restrictions
trent_k: What the fuck is OpenAI's problem
trent_k: Is that fr how you have to do it now
anathemaofmankind: <@1068159407671754824>
anathemaofmankind: Use the Sora Website
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/played-gif-13534492
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ldj: Scaling the compute of a specific model is not the same as scaling your overall frontier cluster.
As I just pointed out, if that was true, then that would mean that OpenAI has increased the compute scale of their largest training cluster(s) by 1,000X in the last 8 months, but they haven't.
They haven't even increased 1,000X compute since GPT-4.
himekokatagiri: but they're not very good at it
himekokatagiri: then send them loose to fight the war
himekokatagiri: to make topiechans
hey1_1hey: I see myself as the opposisite ngl
himekokatagiri: they stitch up dead communist soldiers
trojan09205: thanks shroom
hikukomoru:
fractalcomputer: Interesting comparison.
aero447: They can't scale that again.
himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmo6KrsM9V4
hey1_1hey: Yo thats a cute ass dog
aero447: It's basically the 3.5 to o3's 4.
zonchao:
hikukomoru: It's cute
hikukomoru: Wdym gross
himekokatagiri: it's topiechan
st.sioux: gross
st.sioux: wtf is this
himekokatagiri: but then make a game about AI waifus
aero447: 😮💨
himekokatagiri: the creators are weird polish people who hate AI.
aero447: O1 was a beta for O3.
himekokatagiri: I think it is
trojan09205: is this hand drawn?
himekokatagiri: that's kinda adorable ngl
aero447: Thus they can't scale another 10x easily.
hikukomoru: I look like this btw
ldj: 2 OOMs is 100X not 1,000X
Idk why you're saying since GPT-4 since there isn't evidence to suggest o1-preview was made all the way back then.
and the largest training configuration on earth right now is still not even 100X of original GPT-4 training run.
trojan09205: legit. been introducing her to my other dog. shes a smart pup it seems so far
can't wait til i can run with her for long runs
aero447: And are now on the last OOM circa 6 months or so.
aero447: 100% They've increased total compute to 2x OOMs.
hikukomoru: Like staring at your soul
hikukomoru: Those eeyes!!!
So pretty
But also very intense
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/ppf-lol-omg-gif-21502676
aero447: Since GPT-4.
himekokatagiri: she's kinda weird but she's the goodest cat
aero447: Yes, they did.
himekokatagiri: uwoh...
himekokatagiri:
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hikukomoru: He can't stop thinking abt me 🫦
hey1_1hey: Can't sleep tho
zoermena: I haven’t really tried replicating a style to be honest
hey1_1hey: It is
futurist_wizard: Isn't it your bedtime
oooooooooog: THEN USE THEM FOR STYLES
oooooooooog: YOU CAN JUST KEEP THE IMAGES IN A FOLDER
futurist_wizard: It does
zoermena: Why?
hey1_1hey: We don't even need to hive mind honestly. We all mostly think the same to begin with a any way
oooooooooog: NO NEED
zoermena: We should make a list of art styles for 4o, in a thread or something
alejandrozarzuelo: As I said, it's in the zeitgeist
hey1_1hey: It seems like everyone is doing it tho
alejandrozarzuelo: Nah it's just in the zeitgeist
hey1_1hey: Is it just something we've set are selves on because we are all autistic or what
alejandrozarzuelo: I really like it
alejandrozarzuelo: Hmmm actually it's just funny, because it doesn't make you laugh
hey1_1hey: What's the obsession with this art style btw
oooooooooog: STUDIO GIBLI ALEJANDRO PFP
futurist_wizard: Alejandro's pfp is hilarious
hey1_1hey: Can I call you "farming" then
hikukomoru: I was typing smth
hikukomoru: Nvm
alejandrozarzuelo: (as long as it isn't sexual or offensive )
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't care
alejandrozarzuelo: You can call me however you want
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean sure
hey1_1hey: Vibe coded obc
hikukomoru: Yeah 4o remade minecraft from scratch
futurist_wizard: No
jonvi_1: is that ai?
oooooooooog: HEY THATS PRETTY GOOD
futurist_wizard:
technocake.: sweden intensifies
oooooooooog: SEND THE MINECRAFT SCREENSHOT
alejandrozarzuelo: That's why it's a diminutive of my surname
hey1_1hey: I only call one person by their last name and it's to make fun of them
hikukomoru: My little berry boo
futurist_wizard: Generated from a minecraft screenshot
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professorheaven: Is this the first time we’re seeing Greg Brockman at a demo?
zoermena: Imagine the livestream starts with GBM saying “we have AGI”
abundantliving_: I have a feeling o4 mini is AGI
st.sioux: how does that work
futurist_wizard: Hmm
st.sioux: they will both be first??
hey1_1hey: "Its not AGI because it hasn't unified physics yet"
hikukomoru: OAI too
hikukomoru: Yeah I can see google being the first to reach AGI
hey1_1hey: Because its not a good healine obv
a1c4p0ne: It’s AGI when it can beat Pokemon
drewsni: Gpt 2 was AGI and I have no clue why people don’t agree
popsiclejohnithan: We'll keep pushing the goalpoasts until they cannot be pushed anymore lol.
zoermena: How
hikukomoru: Buy me a pizza too
zoermena: Espeshally
popsiclejohnithan: Definetley, espeshally since google are hireing post AGI reserchesers now, that makes me think them and others have acheved somthing major internally.
hey1_1hey: The goal post shiting is crazy
zoermena: <a:hypeasf:880590299246768218>
hey1_1hey: I remember saying o3-mini with agentic capabilties was AGI and now I dont think it is <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
literallyvarane: Response time, $ improvements, or task that don’t require a ton of world knowledge.
If you need a model for coding, mini is going to probably be just as good and much cheaper.
zoermena: And I will send proof
zoermena: If the model is super good I’ll buy a pizza to eat today
hikukomoru: I hope you're right
hey1_1hey: You started this not me remember
popsiclejohnithan: We're pretty close to AGI honestly, i can see it happening this year with what these past few months have shown us.
zoermena: <a:HYPERCATJAM:1037101323516121209>
zoermena: HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE
hikukomoru: Don't start with the gender stuff already
drewsni: Remember that Greg brockman is the sole reason why gpt 4 actually worked and was good. Imagine where we’d be now without gpt 4
hikukomoru: AGI or not I'm still going to drink
drewsni: No but if gbm is there then AGI is announced
hey1_1hey: Maybe if o4-mini is AGI
hikukomoru: No drinking 🥀
hey1_1hey: If o4-mini cant tell me what gender I am its not AGI
st.sioux: brontorock johnson
st.sioux: silly ass name
hikukomoru: Such as
popsiclejohnithan: He's not *the* twink.
hey1_1hey: twink
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hikukomoru: No
gamerbath: <:LETSGO:1056254139904036995>
zoermena: You are the goat
hey1_1hey: Yeah of course will do
zoermena: Can anyone update me if 4.1 is cool. I’m at work
spicy.lemonade:
zonchao: its like 20 bucks and easy 30hrs+ worth it
zonchao: schedule 1
darkstar0818: you too young to play and mind too pure.
hikukomoru: What game
zonchao: this game probably made more than south of midnight and probably sold more than AC <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
darkstar0818: its all about the gameplay and vibes
zonchao: yea
zonchao: its not lethal company levels of fun
darkstar0818: I do like that this game shows that people dont give a shit about big budget art/sound
spicy.lemonade: 30 mins lads
zonchao: well it was alright
zonchao: it is not fun to coop though, maybe if the cop AI was better
darkstar0818: respect to dev. He 100% is a master at knowing his audience.
zonchao: easy W
zonchao: dev made bank
zonchao: lots of updates coming too
zonchao: it is a good game
darkstar0818: oh look its the most popular game right now
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/schedule-schedule-1-steam-game-drugs-gif-8070089552193078416
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775
zonchao: birds are advanced DJI drones
fractalcomputer: Birds are number theorists at heart.
hikukomoru: Bigoted and proud 💪
ailoveyoom: 🏖️
hikukomoru: I am
zonchao: you sound like a bitch
darkstar0818: An honest bigot, I love to see it.
spicy.lemonade:
futurist_wizard: I will dehumanise men and women equally
hikukomoru: I hate equality
darkstar0818: Where is my equality?
futurist_wizard: He will defend my statement
spicy.lemonade: 💀
futurist_wizard: Spicy is my lawyer
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hey1_1hey: Wdym?
.wolfnacht: i can imagine a whole paradise of myself being king of some Amazonian milfs in my head.
hey1_1hey: I have amphatasia but only when I need it msot
hikukomoru: I have tons of NEET gf cards
I love all of them equally
futurist_wizard: Decisions
hey1_1hey: Weirdly enough if I stop trying to think about what I want and let my mind wonder I straight up forget I have eyes and can see perfectly whats in my head
futurist_wizard: How do you decide on like...? Things
hikukomoru: He's an NPC
_3sphere: aphantasia must suck when you're horny 😭
hey1_1hey: No, never have been able to
hey1_1hey: That'd be cool
.wolfnacht: i was yesterday making an NEET GF card and grok came with this line in backstory which made me crack "Once vibrant classmates who graduated together, they now share a degenerate lifestyle, bonding over porn, anime, and mutual unemployment"
futurist_wizard: You can't see things inside your head?
_3sphere: At best you can comfort yourself with a pretty scene
_3sphere: The imagined paradises aren't all that great
hey1_1hey: I find it crazy that people can just imagine things in there head. I often think that I could litterly be living another life in paradise but I cant even imagine an apple
futurist_wizard: You can goon just stop being so ratty about it
wellmeaningalien: goon/er
wellmeaningalien: mb i'll user the correct proronouns in the future
hikukomoru: Please, that's such an outdated term
I prefer gooner
futurist_wizard: Oh right its just fan made stuff of pre existing characters
.wolfnacht: Im glad i rely on my own stories and fantasies written by AI when i feel like it.
hikukomoru: Drawings
himekokatagiri: You don't wanna know.
himekokatagiri: and I know sora made it
futurist_wizard: Wtf is doujin
himekokatagiri: on the supermarket there's some generic music loop playing
.wolfnacht: The Class-S gooners
himekokatagiri: I'm so cracked out that like
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/tony-zaret-coomer-gif-2519024834770164761
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-woody-sheriff-woody-dimitri-monroe-guilty-gear-gif-3156852588922082576
futurist_wizard: Doujins? Thats a ghost in phasmophobia or something
hikukomoru: Yeah I wonder who would be into that haha
hey1_1hey: Thats crazy
hey1_1hey: When we get to the number 999,999,999 my brain break a bit then theres 8,200,000,000 of me
.wolfnacht: Look em up
.wolfnacht: I need 4.1 for free
wellmeaningalien: ah hell nah why
futurist_wizard: I have no idea what youve just said
.histic: if you want to try 4.1 without using the API.
lmsys has them available in "Direct Chat" for free.
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drewsni: what do you mean? It got the exact cross streets, the crosswalks which are only on about 10% of intersections
sieventer: To be fair, it would be a bit more interesting if it was other place that wasn't that common. I mean, that's a very typical USA place. Maybe a random place in Europe, would be more interesting to recreate
I get your point tho
drewsni: how?
literallyvarane: This is actually bad tho lolllol
drewsni: i still cant believe 4o image gen recreated almost the exact location with just coordinates
drewsni: this is the single most impressive AI example ive seen tho personally
literallyvarane: I think it’s more tool assisted than necessarily purely the model itself, but results are all that really matter.
literallyvarane: o3 clearly has the best vision so far.
drewsni: But theres a canal that provides enough water for a small strip of a hundred miles to have pistachio orchards, and o3 was the only model that guessed that second
sieventer: Holy shit, 2.5 Pro is #5 D:
ldj: For a majority of things, O3 is best of the best in vision yes.
Geoguessr is not representative of a common real-world use-case
sieventer: Oh wow xD
drewsni: nobody would guess it was roswell or near it, because roswell is known as a desert
drewsni: so for this one, every single model guesses somewhere central valley of CA which is 100% what it looks like
ldj: and also multi-modal and long context, and less saturated than Humanities last exam
https://scale.com/leaderboard/enigma_eval
drewsni:
ldj: better than humanities last exam
ldj: I think this is the best recent benchmark btw
drewsni: lemme find it
sieventer: Makes sense
ldj: O1 is already amazing at geoguessr, so is O3.
Both are significantly beyond average humans, but O3 just maybe has a tendency to over-think and over-analyze sometimes, and geoguessr just happens to be one of those things where you really have to pay attention to your initial intuition first and for-most, and O3s thinking maybe drowns that out a bit
sieventer: Roswell nm question? o.o
drewsni: which if any model gets that one first try its AGI to me
drewsni: its the only one that got the roswell nm question on the 2nd try tho
sieventer: joint is not the word, whatever
.histic: general vision
sieventer: Fuck english, uhh, I mean
sieventer: There is then a joint hallucination in Twitter that o3 is the best of the best in vision xD
drewsni: here was the original btw
drewsni:
sieventer: Welp :|
drewsni: tried to match up with a non existent honda dealership
drewsni: like with this one, most models guess seattle correctly but it definitely overthought it
sieventer: So basically, o1 has the same vision skills than o3, but... it's just now we are aware of how it zooms? XD
drewsni: the first vibe code acquihire lmao
ldj: a bit yea
drewsni: for a few hundred million at least
ldj: unless it's a cracked 10X solo dev vibe coder
ldj: so they'd probably need to do a whole acquihire
ldj: it's pretty complex though, it was probably a whole team that made the benchmark
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3ds0662: https://tenor.com/view/mood-dance-russiankiddance-club-dancevibe-gif-21421102
3ds0662: and vibe again
3ds0662: i was born to see manmade horrors beyond my comprehension i will embrace them
inferno0879: probably change perspective and practice gratitude
st.sioux: wao
fractalcomputer: And whatever will you do when these vibes horrify you? Make you nauseated at the sight of the crimes of man and nature? Saddened beyond relief? Despaired without a way out?
tors.exe: why ai image generator cant generate images this detailed ?
3ds0662: only the vibes
3ds0662: the medium does not matter
3ds0662: whether they be sound, or water
3ds0662: whereever the waves 🌊 go you follow
3ds0662: vibes are like an orchestra you must let them play out
3ds0662:
spicy.lemonade: You could just describe the soldier first
spicy.lemonade: No reasoning
tors.exe: Also why ai image genrators are shit at historical thing ? like i told 4o to generate me a ww1 western front german soldier 1917 . and its give some random ass soldier ?!
st.sioux: It's 4o native image gen
3ds0662: 🤣 😂
tors.exe: if no then its a new image generator right ?
spicy.lemonade: No
spicy.lemonade: We are all vibe coding
sieventer: This is the correct one
sieventer: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068937512044728391/1361232404165038121/xu-XwJx5wXfNOf6_.mp4?ex=67ff5377&is=67fe01f7&hm=8062fc92b3f227ed49430445c3c7053fee93280c3c78fce2718349a0b6c3e6f6&
sieventer: Did you really send that version?
st.sioux: it's gotten to the point where I hear "vibe coding" and i have vietnam flashbacks
3ds0662: vibes man vibbbeees
3ds0662: the father that started this all
3ds0662:
tors.exe: Guys is 4o imagie generator Dall-E 4 ?
fractalcomputer: Great.
3ds0662: thats like 2026 ish right maybe
3ds0662: idk 🤷♂️ if they get the million multidatacenter gpus up and running and the models change drastically i might change my vibe
fractalcomputer: What is it with this community and vibes?
3ds0662: its gonna be off by a lot in my vibe cause of nvidia and tsmc they can’t produce chips fast enough and better enough to justify a singularity or asi in such a short time span
fractalcomputer: "Vibe prophesying"
3ds0662: https://tenor.com/view/catdestroy-catknockover-stacy3654129-gif-18955963
3ds0662: as tim scarfe said lol 😂
3ds0662: constant releases
3ds0662: it feels so in a way but after last 3 months it doesnt seem completely farfetched
3ds0662: 😭
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spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: no
hikukomoru: Europoors don't have it as usual
a1c4p0ne: It got it from the web with tool use
_cloudost: hey who else got access to o4-mini?
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade: how did it make these?
spicy.lemonade: to give me the textures
return_to_monke1_33974: there goes my non-existing SWE 300k job 😭 😭
spicy.lemonade: no i asked it
a1c4p0ne: Maybe it’s the prompt
spicy.lemonade: im making minecraft clone btw
spicy.lemonade: what the fuck
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: to download
spicy.lemonade: it just gave me file
spicy.lemonade: damn
spicy.lemonade:
return_to_monke1_33974: how i image Antrophic AI
return_to_monke1_33974: https://tenor.com/view/buttefly-dog-butterfly-dog-%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B0-gif-3477745535671394965
a1c4p0ne: Dario said they’re only focusing on enterprise
hikukomoru: They can't compete by themselves anymore
hikukomoru: Someone should buy Anthropic too
popsiclejohnithan: What shrooms does to a mf.
otub: loud incorrect buzzer
popsiclejohnithan: We shall see.
777agical: https://x.com/shiringhaffary/status/1912569808777859506?s=46
anathemaofmankind: This dude is delusional
popsiclejohnithan: https://x.com/DaveShapi/status/1912561027574632527
popsiclejohnithan:
_cloudost:
popsiclejohnithan: I always wanted to be a part of God.
anathemaofmankind: I'm graduating in 2 years so I hope this is true
return_to_monke1_33974: just like me fr fr
return_to_monke1_33974: we have 2 years left until we are decomposed to molecular level to be used as compute material for the ASI <:Lovecraft:1136265389890879600><:doomer:1136265388473196644>
hey1_1hey: Its not fast enough, I am going to be out of education by then and then I finally have to get a job <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hikukomoru: I'm going to die
hikukomoru: 3 months for o4 full
hikukomoru: They actually mentioned RSI very briefly
hey1_1hey: Check in in 3 months to see if there is another 20% jump
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hikukomoru: And I'm Portuguese, also a religious country
No one cares about holy week
alejandrozarzuelo: Damn
alejandrozarzuelo: But in Castilla
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah, becsuse portuguése people are heretics
In Asturias the Holy week is not that important
hikukomoru: Your family must be like super hardcore christians
trojan09205: Religious country
trojan09205: If i recall, he is Spanish
hikukomoru: I genuinely haven't seen a single person here who even cares about holy week
trojan09205: I havent been around for like 2.5 months
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm not, my family is
hikukomoru: I didn't know you were religious
trojan09205: I celebrate passover its also holy week lol 😂
trojan09205: Nice bro happy holy week
alejandrozarzuelo: And I am busy with that
trojan09205: *sad face*
alejandrozarzuelo: My family has come home
alejandrozarzuelo: Ergo
alejandrozarzuelo: I am not talking much here because it's holy week
hikukomoru: jgudy left
alejandrozarzuelo: Wasn't he banned
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
alejandrozarzuelo: In fact we are very unique in the mammal order for not having them
trojan09205: <@688807313015963693> its good to see you. Is jgudy still around
alejandrozarzuelo: Humans
Do
Not
Have
Pheromones
Yes that Axe commercial was clickbait
alejandrozarzuelo: That's the main problem of adding a pheromone system to a human who doesn't
hikukomoru: That's a bonus
alejandrozarzuelo: Catgirls will always be funky smelling
trojan09205: So no hairless cat?
himekokatagiri: Toxoplasmosis
trojan09205: I have this little alpine linux shell on my iphone and installed aichat on it to chat with gemini lol
trojan09205: Mb i didnt read what u were replying to. Definitely worth the watch when you just wanna see a masterpiece of acting
trojan09205: I love cats. Just when i go visit my brother i cant resist petting them and then my eyes bulge up and i legit always need to take an anti allergic to just drive home safely
trojan09205: Yeah that movie is incredibly trippy
st.sioux: my cat has hair
trojan09205: Oh hahahaha
st.sioux: idk about cats
st.sioux: no i mean synechdoche is sad
denis_burmyshev: It's sad
trojan09205: Wdym homeslice? You are sad or the cat without hair is a sad thing?
If you are sad take a virtual hug 🤗🫂
trojan09205: I am severely allergic to cat hair
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ldj: also the basic memory feature was out by dec 2024 too.
ldj: well not GPT-4, because that was already out in March.
O1 preview came out in September 2024, Claude-3.6 came out in October. and O1 full came out around December 5th
trojan09205: for me it was the improvements to chatGPT to make it very much like a bro whereas i had to go to local llamas for that vibe
himekokatagiri: nothing important
himekokatagiri: idk
ailoveyoom: I forgor
ailoveyoom: For comparison's sake
ailoveyoom: What came out between June 13 '23 - Dec 13 '24 tho
trojan09205: Im not a deepseek fan cause the reasoning bubble kind of weirds me out and my brain likes to peek into it and sometimes (most of the time) i just wanna chat
trojan09205: Okay got it. Idk i guess for me the most meaningful vibe metric is whether i have fun talking with the chatbots and if they enhance my life conversationally/recreationally
i do use them for coding and stuff but I guess i read into your poll question like how i *feel* about them
ldj: yes
trojan09205: you mean the past 4.5 months?
trojan09205: like paid AIs got so good that i kind of stopped running local GGUFs with koboldCPP to have fun and the regular models are good enough for me. which was surprising
ldj: Things that released in the past 4.5 month time period that I can remember:
- O3
- Deepseek R1
- Claude-3.7-sonnet
- Gemini-2.5-Pro
- Task scheduling
- Advanced memory feature
- Browser use
- Deep Research
trojan09205: I voted no just cause i started with local llama 2 and i think the jump was super exponential til the end of last year. i dont follow benchmarking and all that tho tbh
ldj: Reminder O1 full didn't release until December, and Deep research, O3, Claude-3.7 sonnet, Gemini-2.5-Pro and Deepseek R1 all didn't come out until December and later too.
ldj:
ldj:
brain4brain: Liang wenfeng and leopold were added to the list
brain4brain: Timeline for AGI of prominent figure in AI:
Sam Altman: 2025
Brain4Brain: 2025
Elon Musk: 2025 - 2026
Metaculus Average: 2025 - 2026
Leopold Aschenbrenner: 2027
Masayoshi Son: 2025 - 2027
Dario Amodei: 2026 - 2027
Ray Kurzweil: 2029
Ilya Sutskever: 2027 - 2034
Liang Wenfeng: 2027 - 2035
Demis Hassabis: 2028 - 2035
Yann LeCunn: 2030 - 2035
Last year's AI researcher’s timeline: 2047
brain4brain: Yep
brain4brain: Dall-2 is dead though
himekokatagiri: because nobody used it
brain4brain: Yes, dall-3
himekokatagiri: Dall e was so crap it didn't have a rate limit
brain4brain: Wow, the median timeline align with flower’s poll and metaculus
We need to enlighten them to 2025
himekokatagiri: You can still use Dall-E?
molly.grue: So I'm wondering what's going on here.
molly.grue: I have memory persistence. I shouldn't.
molly.grue: The image doesn't really matter. The code does tho.
brain4brain: I hate dall-3 so much, GPT-image or dall-2 is so much better
molly.grue: Thankee
brain4brain: https://discord.gg/openai
molly.grue: Link?
brain4brain: The official OpenAI discord
brain4brain: I’m the most important figure in AI
molly.grue: Anyone know any large gpt or openai discords?
brain4brain: Yes
metaldragon01: Did you really add yourself between elon and sama?! 😂
molly.grue: Took me a bit to figure out what it was
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metaldragon01: I think they may just need the right voice
frittata: Not to say they’re fully incapable just … people pick the battles they do for a reason
frittata: I mean agree but if they were capable of compromise they’d be different people wouldn’t they
frittata: Like all holy wars it has its intrinsic rewards
frittata: It has all the self righteous pleasure of a holy war for humanity’s existence, to those that partake
theaiguy69420_89814: And then if you're just not technically savvy, you'll just choose the wrong option for what you are really looking for
frittata: The crusade against AI
metaldragon01: It's better to fight battles they can win and actually rally people behind
theaiguy69420_89814: Cuz it's like, you can ask AI "how do I automate everything about X" and the AI will inevitably bring about several options
theaiguy69420_89814: She would have never asked, but all she hears is "automate everything? Cool"
theaiguy69420_89814: Like she didn't even really understand the concept even after I explained it
theaiguy69420_89814: And then she didn't really get the idea that you could do like, a cron job
theaiguy69420_89814: Like, she had whiteboards of AI stuff, mind maps, etc
theaiguy69420_89814: And just the way she used the AI is totally foreign to me
theaiguy69420_89814: I'm even noticing now, I had this marketing girl I was freelancing swe for
zoermena: Wait what
theaiguy69420_89814: I understand the current state of affairs, but I am speculating whether or not human cognitive differences are enough such that there will still be distinct "roles" in a 100% AI driven economy.
For example, the questions a chef would ask an AI are different than, say, an engineer.
frittata: But then they’d lose the pleasure of being part of a holy war
wellmeaningalien: folks that are very smart are not smart in every way all the time
wellmeaningalien: but thats still inaccurate because ai isn't quite a tool, at least if you don't consider humans tools
wellmeaningalien: right now ai is a skill because it's retarded as fuck and you basically have to work it with a lot of your own brain power in order to get any sort of efficacy gain. like ms dos. but eventually we'll have windows 10 ai and you won't even have to think about setting up a display manager, it does everything
theaiguy69420_89814: I think it almost has to do with like, core cognitive differences
theaiguy69420_89814: I'm seeing that a lot now
theaiguy69420_89814: It's just that, folk that are sometimes very smart just don't ask the right questions of the ai
theaiguy69420_89814: I think it will always be the case that using AI is a skill. I'm just thinking ahead now though, and I'm curious if the "skill" is just sort of... Technical thinking? Like, basic critical thinking
frittata: https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-endgame-infinity-gauntlet-infinity-stones-power-gif-14599470
theaiguy69420_89814: Like, incredibly non technical minds
wellmeaningalien: i still think most people still vastly underestimate the current capabilities of ai
theaiguy69420_89814: So they don't even ask the AI
theaiguy69420_89814: Like they don't even have that concept available to them
theaiguy69420_89814: Or like, scheduled jobs
theaiguy69420_89814: For example, I freelance software development, and there are lots of folk who do a ton with AI tools that simply don't really *understand* stuff like... Backend vs Frontend, for example
wellmeaningalien: or circus animal
wellmeaningalien: like zoo animal
wellmeaningalien: definitely
theaiguy69420_89814: Like, I know AI will handle everything that isn't an unknown unknown, but will there be enough core cognitive differences between humans such that there will still be a set of distinct "roles"?
wellmeaningalien: yeah gemini's multimodal understanding is unparalleled still
drewsni: Other than that it’s a really good diatrization solution because it can actually see the people talking and differentiate
theaiguy69420_89814: Will there still be "roles"?
theaiguy69420_89814: I'm still thinking economically though...
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3ds0662: i hope it shatters my mind but always it feels under what the hype was
3ds0662: good if i test ill even maybe like even test your guys prompts
3ds0662: i need to feel that feelingn on an intense level smh
3ds0662: o1 was really the first aha moment a bit but ok
.histic: i think pro users will be able to use o3 & o3-pro.
us plus plebs will only be able to use o4-mini and o3-mini pro (maybe).
3ds0662: but i hope a model comes out that shatters all my preconceived notions of ai intelligence when it comes to coding
spicy.lemonade: I need this in latex
3ds0662: still not there yet
3ds0662: one thing all llms cant do even 2.5 is recreate coding animations from video or image understanding they are still fucked there
spicy.lemonade: when its doing math
spicy.lemonade: why doesnt gemini generate markdown
.histic: OpenAI ngmi
.histic: per week
3ds0662: i always realize with the twitter demo guys is their oneshot prompts arent really oneshot but with 2.5 pro they genuinely are holy shit
spicy.lemonade: then just gemini
3ds0662: and ive been testing 2.5 pro for those prompts akhaliq and the other twitter users have showed off with o1 and deepseek way back when and while those models never did the same thing for me first try 2.5 pro legit did it oneshot for me wtf
spicy.lemonade: gemini and cladue got it
spicy.lemonade: i havent used o3 mini high in 3 weeks
st.sioux: i hope they give us 50 requests per week for o3 like o3-mini-high 🙏
spicy.lemonade: on their servers
spicy.lemonade: its runs on a virtual machine
spicy.lemonade: nothing will happen
.histic: yeah
3ds0662: thats really cool ive never tried that
3ds0662: really? even malicious code?
spicy.lemonade: allows it to run code for answers
spicy.lemonade: context understanding
3ds0662: whats the code execution button do?
spicy.lemonade: that has to be it
spicy.lemonade: oh yes
.histic: the difference is outstanding.. weird.
maybe it's due to the better context 2.5 pro has?
spicy.lemonade: where would we be
spicy.lemonade: imagine we never had the reasoning paradigm 💀
spicy.lemonade: but im sure o3 has an ace up its sleave
spicy.lemonade: since deepresearch is o3 based
spicy.lemonade: this means that 2.5 is better than o3?
spicy.lemonade:
metaldragon01: I don't use video models much so I'm more excited about qwen 3
.histic: https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExc2x0bjZndDJiZWdodWl2eXJrdDFwZnZ4ZDVlaTQwZWJvNDBhdzJleiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/sRdbgZYZOhloBQYZrn/giphy.gif
spicy.lemonade: aswell as r2
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joaoluz19: https://x.com/GaryMarcus/status/1870117249371017619
return_to_monke1_33974:
return_to_monke1_33974: where is the wall
i miss him 😭
callmepyro: If you have Google stock I would cash out now, best price its ever going to be
callmepyro: When Google has to shut down due to lack of revenue from collapsing search usage, OpenAI will be the only game in town
trey6033: They don't have unlimited compute, and certainly not as much as Google. But yes they have a lot
callmepyro: It shouldn't take long for OpenAI to climb the ranks to most used website in the world, overtaking everyone else before 2026
callmepyro: They can further leverage this high compute to train off of their search data. Once they launch their X clone they will completely eclipse grok in a matter of weeks
joaoluz19: O3 the 4.5 of reasoning lol
callmepyro: OpenAI not being compute constrained means they can scrape YouTube and Maps' full corpus and train off that, completely eliminating Google's advantage
a1c4p0ne: Yessirr
spicy.lemonade: werent they always
return_to_monke1_33974: will images be used as training data from now on?
a1c4p0ne:
a1c4p0ne: 💯
anathemaofmankind: One more step to AGI
a1c4p0ne: O3 will beat Pokémon <:ez:1136267305521774634>
srirachamayosauce: so o4-mini replaces o3-mini hence the rate limit is still 150/day?
a1c4p0ne:
hikukomoru: It's good
callmepyro: So probably not usable in stuff like Cursor
callmepyro: Yes, but it's 10x cost
anathemaofmankind: Is full o3 better than gemini 2.5
scorpion7061: So did it lived up to expectation ? Or bummer ? 😞
anathemaofmankind: I'm still checking the benchmarks
return_to_monke1_33974: 4.5 was kinda mid
spicy.lemonade: 4.5
return_to_monke1_33974: back in november
spicy.lemonade: 4.5
return_to_monke1_33974: what was the orion thing exactly 🤔
anathemaofmankind: 3-4 would be several and 5 would be a month
spicy.lemonade: lines up
spicy.lemonade: its droping in summer
return_to_monke1_33974: he said GPT-5 in a few months also
futurist_wizard: Im already bored of o3 pro
return_to_monke1_33974: i don't trust anything the orange man says after the tariff thing
spicy.lemonade: he means 2
spicy.lemonade: everytime sam says few
spicy.lemonade: so 2 weeks
spicy.lemonade:
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brain4brain: Why is bro using the hm and ok token like DeepSeek CoT 😭🙏
spicy.lemonade: his conservative prediction turned out to be optimistic
spicy.lemonade: ok
spicy.lemonade: hm
spicy.lemonade: as this
spicy.lemonade: were also seen as crazy
spicy.lemonade: for agi
spicy.lemonade: alans predictions back then
spicy.lemonade: actually
spicy.lemonade: wait
spicy.lemonade: yeah
brain4brain: Be blindelessly optimistic and you’ll know it’s possible
spicy.lemonade: that shit is not hiting 100%
spicy.lemonade: FTL
spicy.lemonade: WHAT
spicy.lemonade: butr holy shit
spicy.lemonade: he learned his lesson with AGI countdown
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: with this prediction
spicy.lemonade: hes much more conservative
spicy.lemonade: hes a conservative
spicy.lemonade: hey
brain4brain: 1. Just scale it up
2. Just add more modality
3. Just scale it up
4. Just scale it up
5. Just scale it up
6. Just scale it up and add more modality
gamerbath: 💀
spicy.lemonade: caltech stanford princeton
spicy.lemonade: he was vp of research
fractalcomputer: > background in physics
NGMI.
spicy.lemonade: i think dario is quite smart
fractalcomputer: Well Dario's not a very smart fellow, is he now?
brain4brain: Dario’s definition of AGI
spicy.lemonade: on how to do these
spicy.lemonade: i believe most of the research labs already have ideas
spicy.lemonade: none of these are seen as unsolvable
spicy.lemonade: main problems left on road to agi
1- much longer memory
2- more outputs rather than just text (we have sound, text, we need touch/robots)
3- better visual reasoning ie. 90% on vibe-eval reka
4- data efficiency, learn more from less data
5- 80+% on arc2
6- agency
fractalcomputer: "Nobel-level" intelligence? Huh?
brain4brain: New tiering system: lower-bound moravec paradox AI side
Ants
Cats
Bird
Monkeys <—— We are here
Human Babies
Human
Raw Intelligence level:
Elementary level
Primary level
High-school level
College level <——We are here
PhD level <——Overlapping here
Nobel level
Superhuman level
brain4brain: I thought you were taking about something else my bad
spicy.lemonade: unified model
spicy.lemonade: main thing they said "dynamic thinking"
spicy.lemonade: lol
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spicy.lemonade: gemini looks better
drewsni:
spicy.lemonade: loll
spicy.lemonade: ohhh
drewsni: the left is the real one lmao
drewsni: this is gemini
drewsni:
spicy.lemonade: left looks crazy real
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade: wdym also not
drewsni: im impressed but also not
drewsni: i asked it to recreate a streetview of specific coordinates
spicy.lemonade: loll
spicy.lemonade: in next weeks
spicy.lemonade: theyre working on improving
spicy.lemonade: it struggles with small text
spicy.lemonade: openAI said on the website
spicy.lemonade: itl still fail
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I know it's rubbish when I see this
drewsni: What happens if you give it actual text of let’s say 1 page of a paper and ask it to recreate it
spicy.lemonade: the entire intro is nonsense
spicy.lemonade: too small
spicy.lemonade: text is fucked tho
spicy.lemonade: asked it to give me a paper
fractalcomputer: Why?
spicy.lemonade: kk
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: try ask for detailed specific text instructions, no illustration needed
drewsni: im less specifically impressed by what it is or the content in this case, rather the consistency of it compared to before
spicy.lemonade: the beaker
spicy.lemonade: thats what we are missing
spicy.lemonade: lol
fractalcomputer: I just don't find machine-generated visualisations terribly useful.
drewsni: Nah it was an actual curiosity because I think me using Gemini flash output for like 5-7 hours over a few nights ago obviously is influencing my opinion
spicy.lemonade: 2 weeks
spicy.lemonade: thats crazy
spicy.lemonade: ok
drewsni: That’s fair, but Gemini flash native output came out like…2 weeks ago I think? And a lot of us here were doing what we are now, minus the ghibli, and now 2 weeks later it is not only significantly easier, but significantly higher quality, and significantly faster to get a desired output. The rate of process is staggering
fractalcomputer: (And no; one cannot accuse me of willingly ignoring the developing capabilities of LLMs since I actively use both GPT and Claude for my own abstract entertainment purposes.) [I pre-emptively anticipate these sorts of arguments.]
fractalcomputer: I don't really see the point in perusing the newer capabilities granted they'll just update it in a couple of months' time again.
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: can someone ask the 4o image generator how to make AGI, please this is important
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