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zwfh5k | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I've been charged with going faster than my car can physically go I was driving home on Christmas and an officer pulled me over. He claimed at first I was going 131mph. Then I replied that it was simply not possible because my car cannot go that fast. He then continued on talking and said I did 120. Then he finally said that initially it seemed I was going 117mph. On one site it says my top speed is 110mph but after some math it looks closer to 95mph. I've contacted my car manufacturer to get actual top speed and am awaiting their message. When my car hits 80mph it shakes violently. Point is I know I wasn't going that fast, but I feel like even with what I've said it'll be him against me. Is there anything I can do to make this more favorable for me? | j1v0j0w | j1ui2ng | 1,672,159,304 | 1,672,151,241 | 108 | 27 | You believe you were going under 80 mph, and the officer believes you were going 120 MPH? Is that correct? | Just because your car shakes doesn't mean it stops dead...my car will shake at certain speeds but will still exceed them. Chances are you were going well in excess of the speed limit and should speak with a lawyer. "I don't know how fast I was going," "I was just jamming out to the music," and "I don't think I can go that fast" are not going to get you very far. Start saving up for a healthy fine, as well. | 1 | 8,063 | 4 |
zw9snb | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Can my Mother use “grandparents rights” laws to get access to my children? I’m not entirely sure this is the place to post, I am very sorry if not. I was going to post this on my other account, but it seems the account is gone, :/ I have been no contact with my mother since I was 19, (for reasons that didn’t become public knowledge until another year later when CPS opened a case on her, for my brothers). My mother has never met my children, but has recently became impassioned on the subject, and has emailed me and sent letters to my home (I don’t know how she has my address), telling me that if I do not let her meet my children then she will go the legal route and get visitation. She lives in a different state than me, but both states we live in *do* have some form of grandparents rights. I am terrified because what if her CPS case doesn’t apply to me, because I wasn’t a minor when they were called? Or what if it doesn’t matter regardless? I haven’t told anyone about this because I don’t know how to go about this? Should I have a lawyer already? Should I get a restraining order? I don’t know anything about this, and frankly speaking the idea of standing in a courtroom only a few feet from her has me breaking out in hives just thinking about it. I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, the answers I found on Google only went into what would happen if the parents divorced or one died, and me and my husband are happy and healthy 😅 | j1tl5xl | j1tknt5 | 1,672,127,286 | 1,672,126,874 | 96 | 16 | What state are you in? Grandparents' rights are generally intended to facilitate preservation of an *existing* relationship with grandchildren in the event of divorce, death, incarceration, or some other circumstances in which the direct relationship through the grandchild's parent(s) is disrupted. A grandparent who has no existing relationship with a grandchild is going to have a difficult time establishing that court-ordered visitation is in the child's best interest, especially when that child's parents are in agreement on the limits of the grandparent's access to the child (not to mention married and raising the child together). | Not a lawyer, Grandparents rights is a very muddy scenario. But in most cases the decision is based on what is best for the child. Like if the child is close to their grandparents then they are more likely to gain visitation. If you can prove that visitation won't be beneficial for your kids, or can actively harm them. And your decision to cut them off from their grandparent is for your kids' well-being and not just some petty vendetta, then it's very unlikely that the court will grant them any access. But in the end it would be best for you to consult a lawyer who is versed in your state's family laws... | 1 | 412 | 6 |
zw9snb | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Can my Mother use “grandparents rights” laws to get access to my children? I’m not entirely sure this is the place to post, I am very sorry if not. I was going to post this on my other account, but it seems the account is gone, :/ I have been no contact with my mother since I was 19, (for reasons that didn’t become public knowledge until another year later when CPS opened a case on her, for my brothers). My mother has never met my children, but has recently became impassioned on the subject, and has emailed me and sent letters to my home (I don’t know how she has my address), telling me that if I do not let her meet my children then she will go the legal route and get visitation. She lives in a different state than me, but both states we live in *do* have some form of grandparents rights. I am terrified because what if her CPS case doesn’t apply to me, because I wasn’t a minor when they were called? Or what if it doesn’t matter regardless? I haven’t told anyone about this because I don’t know how to go about this? Should I have a lawyer already? Should I get a restraining order? I don’t know anything about this, and frankly speaking the idea of standing in a courtroom only a few feet from her has me breaking out in hives just thinking about it. I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, the answers I found on Google only went into what would happen if the parents divorced or one died, and me and my husband are happy and healthy 😅 | j1tpyc8 | j1ua9u0 | 1,672,131,254 | 1,672,147,053 | 22 | 50 | Typically they can establish some rights if they have a previous connection with them, which would be one of the many reasons that they could show as a reason of best interest for the child. Being that she has no previous connection. It will be an uphill battle for her to establish rights. But I would check with a lawyer, just to make sure that you are covered. | > My mother has never met my children, > I am in NY, (moved here with my husband before the children were born,) my mother lives in KY. > telling me that if I do not let her meet my children then she will go the legal route and get visitation. She has no chance whatsoever. You have no obligation even to acknowledge receipt of her emails. By all means talk to a family law attorney if that will give you peace of mind, but a judge is not going to order you to introduce your children to an abusive grandparent, much less grant visitation. | 0 | 15,799 | 2.272727 |
zw9snb | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Can my Mother use “grandparents rights” laws to get access to my children? I’m not entirely sure this is the place to post, I am very sorry if not. I was going to post this on my other account, but it seems the account is gone, :/ I have been no contact with my mother since I was 19, (for reasons that didn’t become public knowledge until another year later when CPS opened a case on her, for my brothers). My mother has never met my children, but has recently became impassioned on the subject, and has emailed me and sent letters to my home (I don’t know how she has my address), telling me that if I do not let her meet my children then she will go the legal route and get visitation. She lives in a different state than me, but both states we live in *do* have some form of grandparents rights. I am terrified because what if her CPS case doesn’t apply to me, because I wasn’t a minor when they were called? Or what if it doesn’t matter regardless? I haven’t told anyone about this because I don’t know how to go about this? Should I have a lawyer already? Should I get a restraining order? I don’t know anything about this, and frankly speaking the idea of standing in a courtroom only a few feet from her has me breaking out in hives just thinking about it. I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, the answers I found on Google only went into what would happen if the parents divorced or one died, and me and my husband are happy and healthy 😅 | j1tknt5 | j1ua9u0 | 1,672,126,874 | 1,672,147,053 | 16 | 50 | Not a lawyer, Grandparents rights is a very muddy scenario. But in most cases the decision is based on what is best for the child. Like if the child is close to their grandparents then they are more likely to gain visitation. If you can prove that visitation won't be beneficial for your kids, or can actively harm them. And your decision to cut them off from their grandparent is for your kids' well-being and not just some petty vendetta, then it's very unlikely that the court will grant them any access. But in the end it would be best for you to consult a lawyer who is versed in your state's family laws... | > My mother has never met my children, > I am in NY, (moved here with my husband before the children were born,) my mother lives in KY. > telling me that if I do not let her meet my children then she will go the legal route and get visitation. She has no chance whatsoever. You have no obligation even to acknowledge receipt of her emails. By all means talk to a family law attorney if that will give you peace of mind, but a judge is not going to order you to introduce your children to an abusive grandparent, much less grant visitation. | 0 | 20,179 | 3.125 |
zw9snb | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Can my Mother use “grandparents rights” laws to get access to my children? I’m not entirely sure this is the place to post, I am very sorry if not. I was going to post this on my other account, but it seems the account is gone, :/ I have been no contact with my mother since I was 19, (for reasons that didn’t become public knowledge until another year later when CPS opened a case on her, for my brothers). My mother has never met my children, but has recently became impassioned on the subject, and has emailed me and sent letters to my home (I don’t know how she has my address), telling me that if I do not let her meet my children then she will go the legal route and get visitation. She lives in a different state than me, but both states we live in *do* have some form of grandparents rights. I am terrified because what if her CPS case doesn’t apply to me, because I wasn’t a minor when they were called? Or what if it doesn’t matter regardless? I haven’t told anyone about this because I don’t know how to go about this? Should I have a lawyer already? Should I get a restraining order? I don’t know anything about this, and frankly speaking the idea of standing in a courtroom only a few feet from her has me breaking out in hives just thinking about it. I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, the answers I found on Google only went into what would happen if the parents divorced or one died, and me and my husband are happy and healthy 😅 | j1ua9u0 | j1u6ux2 | 1,672,147,053 | 1,672,144,892 | 50 | 6 | > My mother has never met my children, > I am in NY, (moved here with my husband before the children were born,) my mother lives in KY. > telling me that if I do not let her meet my children then she will go the legal route and get visitation. She has no chance whatsoever. You have no obligation even to acknowledge receipt of her emails. By all means talk to a family law attorney if that will give you peace of mind, but a judge is not going to order you to introduce your children to an abusive grandparent, much less grant visitation. | You'll probably get more peace of mind through consultation with a lawyer. The reason ypu see information about what happens in the case of a deceased or divorced parent is because that's ehat these laws are generally for: if my husband dies, to prevent me from cutting his parents out of my kids' lives. A parent like you who wants to prevent contact between their parents and their kids is generally acknowledged to have that right, unless the child's welfare might dictate otherwise. But for your own peace of mind, please consult a lawyer. | 1 | 2,161 | 8.333333 |
zw9snb | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Can my Mother use “grandparents rights” laws to get access to my children? I’m not entirely sure this is the place to post, I am very sorry if not. I was going to post this on my other account, but it seems the account is gone, :/ I have been no contact with my mother since I was 19, (for reasons that didn’t become public knowledge until another year later when CPS opened a case on her, for my brothers). My mother has never met my children, but has recently became impassioned on the subject, and has emailed me and sent letters to my home (I don’t know how she has my address), telling me that if I do not let her meet my children then she will go the legal route and get visitation. She lives in a different state than me, but both states we live in *do* have some form of grandparents rights. I am terrified because what if her CPS case doesn’t apply to me, because I wasn’t a minor when they were called? Or what if it doesn’t matter regardless? I haven’t told anyone about this because I don’t know how to go about this? Should I have a lawyer already? Should I get a restraining order? I don’t know anything about this, and frankly speaking the idea of standing in a courtroom only a few feet from her has me breaking out in hives just thinking about it. I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, the answers I found on Google only went into what would happen if the parents divorced or one died, and me and my husband are happy and healthy 😅 | j1tknt5 | j1tpyc8 | 1,672,126,874 | 1,672,131,254 | 16 | 22 | Not a lawyer, Grandparents rights is a very muddy scenario. But in most cases the decision is based on what is best for the child. Like if the child is close to their grandparents then they are more likely to gain visitation. If you can prove that visitation won't be beneficial for your kids, or can actively harm them. And your decision to cut them off from their grandparent is for your kids' well-being and not just some petty vendetta, then it's very unlikely that the court will grant them any access. But in the end it would be best for you to consult a lawyer who is versed in your state's family laws... | Typically they can establish some rights if they have a previous connection with them, which would be one of the many reasons that they could show as a reason of best interest for the child. Being that she has no previous connection. It will be an uphill battle for her to establish rights. But I would check with a lawyer, just to make sure that you are covered. | 0 | 4,380 | 1.375 |
zw9snb | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Can my Mother use “grandparents rights” laws to get access to my children? I’m not entirely sure this is the place to post, I am very sorry if not. I was going to post this on my other account, but it seems the account is gone, :/ I have been no contact with my mother since I was 19, (for reasons that didn’t become public knowledge until another year later when CPS opened a case on her, for my brothers). My mother has never met my children, but has recently became impassioned on the subject, and has emailed me and sent letters to my home (I don’t know how she has my address), telling me that if I do not let her meet my children then she will go the legal route and get visitation. She lives in a different state than me, but both states we live in *do* have some form of grandparents rights. I am terrified because what if her CPS case doesn’t apply to me, because I wasn’t a minor when they were called? Or what if it doesn’t matter regardless? I haven’t told anyone about this because I don’t know how to go about this? Should I have a lawyer already? Should I get a restraining order? I don’t know anything about this, and frankly speaking the idea of standing in a courtroom only a few feet from her has me breaking out in hives just thinking about it. I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, the answers I found on Google only went into what would happen if the parents divorced or one died, and me and my husband are happy and healthy 😅 | j1ufa62 | j1tknt5 | 1,672,149,844 | 1,672,126,874 | 20 | 16 | Not a lawyer Take a deep breath, be a bit calm and then sit back, and do not freak out. You are NC with her right? She has never met the children, has had no contact, has provided no support to said children. Not even a a gift. So she does not know what they look like. You and your husband are happily married, neither of you are in jail, your husband is not deceased. No CPS visits. And she lives in another state. So where in all of that does she qualify for even the remotest chance of getting GPR? If anything I would say that since none of the conditions are met, there is no chance. But what you can do is this: Take some time, sit at the computer, and then start to write: Starts with the date of your birth. Write a biography, everything you witnessed first hand, experienced. Dates, times, faces, places, who was present, who said what, what actions were done. IN short, your life story up to the present day. Including why you decided to go NC with her, and the steps you went to break contact with her and never talk to her again. Get that all down, and printed out 4 times, place one in each file. Any and all visits by the police or CPS. Keep all communications and put them in the files. You are creating a long paper trail. Clean your house, make sure there is food in the fridge. Then get a bottle of wine, some chocolate, and have a conversation with your husband. You get a lawyer to talk to, get good legal advice, and have him send her a C&D letter telling her that you do not want contact, any more is considered harassment and that you will take her to court to ensure she faces legal consequences. | Not a lawyer, Grandparents rights is a very muddy scenario. But in most cases the decision is based on what is best for the child. Like if the child is close to their grandparents then they are more likely to gain visitation. If you can prove that visitation won't be beneficial for your kids, or can actively harm them. And your decision to cut them off from their grandparent is for your kids' well-being and not just some petty vendetta, then it's very unlikely that the court will grant them any access. But in the end it would be best for you to consult a lawyer who is versed in your state's family laws... | 1 | 22,970 | 1.25 |
zw9snb | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Can my Mother use “grandparents rights” laws to get access to my children? I’m not entirely sure this is the place to post, I am very sorry if not. I was going to post this on my other account, but it seems the account is gone, :/ I have been no contact with my mother since I was 19, (for reasons that didn’t become public knowledge until another year later when CPS opened a case on her, for my brothers). My mother has never met my children, but has recently became impassioned on the subject, and has emailed me and sent letters to my home (I don’t know how she has my address), telling me that if I do not let her meet my children then she will go the legal route and get visitation. She lives in a different state than me, but both states we live in *do* have some form of grandparents rights. I am terrified because what if her CPS case doesn’t apply to me, because I wasn’t a minor when they were called? Or what if it doesn’t matter regardless? I haven’t told anyone about this because I don’t know how to go about this? Should I have a lawyer already? Should I get a restraining order? I don’t know anything about this, and frankly speaking the idea of standing in a courtroom only a few feet from her has me breaking out in hives just thinking about it. I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, the answers I found on Google only went into what would happen if the parents divorced or one died, and me and my husband are happy and healthy 😅 | j1u6ux2 | j1ufa62 | 1,672,144,892 | 1,672,149,844 | 6 | 20 | You'll probably get more peace of mind through consultation with a lawyer. The reason ypu see information about what happens in the case of a deceased or divorced parent is because that's ehat these laws are generally for: if my husband dies, to prevent me from cutting his parents out of my kids' lives. A parent like you who wants to prevent contact between their parents and their kids is generally acknowledged to have that right, unless the child's welfare might dictate otherwise. But for your own peace of mind, please consult a lawyer. | Not a lawyer Take a deep breath, be a bit calm and then sit back, and do not freak out. You are NC with her right? She has never met the children, has had no contact, has provided no support to said children. Not even a a gift. So she does not know what they look like. You and your husband are happily married, neither of you are in jail, your husband is not deceased. No CPS visits. And she lives in another state. So where in all of that does she qualify for even the remotest chance of getting GPR? If anything I would say that since none of the conditions are met, there is no chance. But what you can do is this: Take some time, sit at the computer, and then start to write: Starts with the date of your birth. Write a biography, everything you witnessed first hand, experienced. Dates, times, faces, places, who was present, who said what, what actions were done. IN short, your life story up to the present day. Including why you decided to go NC with her, and the steps you went to break contact with her and never talk to her again. Get that all down, and printed out 4 times, place one in each file. Any and all visits by the police or CPS. Keep all communications and put them in the files. You are creating a long paper trail. Clean your house, make sure there is food in the fridge. Then get a bottle of wine, some chocolate, and have a conversation with your husband. You get a lawyer to talk to, get good legal advice, and have him send her a C&D letter telling her that you do not want contact, any more is considered harassment and that you will take her to court to ensure she faces legal consequences. | 0 | 4,952 | 3.333333 |
jhuqyo | legaladvice_train | 0.76 | The woman who raised me is trying to take custody of my children I (22f) was abandoned by my birth mother at birth and her uncle and his wife got custody of me, there was no actual adoption and im not blodd related to the wife, i call them my parents for convenience here, my father passed when i was 3 so my mom raised me, i had two children while living with her and i have custody of both, i let them live with her the past year while im living with my husband in a 1 bedroom apartment, i see them every other day at least and take them every weekend to stay with me, well me and my husband plan on moving to iowa for a job offer for him and its where his parents live so i told my mom about the move with every intention of taking my kids, so now she is trying to claim abandonment and grandparents rights on me. Do i have a legal action here? Or can i just go anyway? We are set to move in a week and she has known about it for 6 months. Me and my husband have a 9 month old baby and my kids at her ouse are 6f and 3m. I fought like hell to get my son away from his abusive father, they only stayed there because if cys was called we dont have the room for them at our apartment. I wanted to keep them happy and safe and now she is trying to steal my kids. We are in pa right now | ga2mm58 | ga2efvb | 1,603,644,686 | 1,603,640,311 | 31 | 20 | I had to re-read because something wasn't adding up. I would verify with a lawyer whether grandparent rights apply here. She is not a grandparent, she would be your aunt through marriage. If there is a legal adoption and termination of your birth parents' parental rights due to abandonment, that might change how she is perceived by the courts. | You need to talk to a local lawyer ASAP because she will likely have a case since for a year their primary residence wasn't with you. She was/is their primary carer, you paying for stuff doesn't change that. | 1 | 4,375 | 1.55 |
jhuqyo | legaladvice_train | 0.76 | The woman who raised me is trying to take custody of my children I (22f) was abandoned by my birth mother at birth and her uncle and his wife got custody of me, there was no actual adoption and im not blodd related to the wife, i call them my parents for convenience here, my father passed when i was 3 so my mom raised me, i had two children while living with her and i have custody of both, i let them live with her the past year while im living with my husband in a 1 bedroom apartment, i see them every other day at least and take them every weekend to stay with me, well me and my husband plan on moving to iowa for a job offer for him and its where his parents live so i told my mom about the move with every intention of taking my kids, so now she is trying to claim abandonment and grandparents rights on me. Do i have a legal action here? Or can i just go anyway? We are set to move in a week and she has known about it for 6 months. Me and my husband have a 9 month old baby and my kids at her ouse are 6f and 3m. I fought like hell to get my son away from his abusive father, they only stayed there because if cys was called we dont have the room for them at our apartment. I wanted to keep them happy and safe and now she is trying to steal my kids. We are in pa right now | ga2mm58 | ga2h9ab | 1,603,644,686 | 1,603,641,832 | 31 | 3 | I had to re-read because something wasn't adding up. I would verify with a lawyer whether grandparent rights apply here. She is not a grandparent, she would be your aunt through marriage. If there is a legal adoption and termination of your birth parents' parental rights due to abandonment, that might change how she is perceived by the courts. | Check laws related to custody and abandonment. Generally, the court will be on your side. Did you sign over temporary guardianship to her? | 1 | 2,854 | 10.333333 |
jhuqyo | legaladvice_train | 0.76 | The woman who raised me is trying to take custody of my children I (22f) was abandoned by my birth mother at birth and her uncle and his wife got custody of me, there was no actual adoption and im not blodd related to the wife, i call them my parents for convenience here, my father passed when i was 3 so my mom raised me, i had two children while living with her and i have custody of both, i let them live with her the past year while im living with my husband in a 1 bedroom apartment, i see them every other day at least and take them every weekend to stay with me, well me and my husband plan on moving to iowa for a job offer for him and its where his parents live so i told my mom about the move with every intention of taking my kids, so now she is trying to claim abandonment and grandparents rights on me. Do i have a legal action here? Or can i just go anyway? We are set to move in a week and she has known about it for 6 months. Me and my husband have a 9 month old baby and my kids at her ouse are 6f and 3m. I fought like hell to get my son away from his abusive father, they only stayed there because if cys was called we dont have the room for them at our apartment. I wanted to keep them happy and safe and now she is trying to steal my kids. We are in pa right now | ga2h9ab | ga4zvht | 1,603,641,832 | 1,603,686,795 | 3 | 5 | Check laws related to custody and abandonment. Generally, the court will be on your side. Did you sign over temporary guardianship to her? | Just take the kids and go to Iowa. Let her try to take you to court. She can't stop you from taking them unless she already has custody. If you wait for her to file that helps her not you. | 0 | 44,963 | 1.666667 |
5s83y1 | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [MN] My mother and stepfather are abusive alcoholics. I'm seventeen and live independently - is it possible for me to have my little sister legally removed from their custody because of the abuse, without CPS intervening in my life and trying to move me as well? I have voice recordings of several incidents of abuse that occurred while I lived with them that I'd be happy to turn over to CPS, along with plenty of statements I can make about the situation there. The police have records of some of the things that have happened in that house as well. I want to get my 13 year old little sister out of that house, but I don't want to be involved with CPS. I've been in state custody in the past, and the only reason I haven't reported anything already is because I'm afraid of going back to that. I'm in a safe and emotionally healthy place now. I think anyone would be afraid of jeopardizing their stability. I live with my SO in an apartment near my family's house. I have a steady job and support myself - I visit my mother a few times a month for dinner, and I live away from their house with her blessing. I'm safe and I've finally gotten some stability in my life now that I've moved out. I don't want anything to do with CPS, I just want my sister somewhere safe, and for my mother to get help. What can I do? | ddddn73 | dddgkp2 | 1,486,327,783 | 1,486,331,673 | 9 | 32 | You can try filing for emancipation. | As long as you are safe, you would be very low priority for CPS because you are almost a legal adult. They very likely wont mess with you, although they may check on you relatively regularly. Call about your sister. Submit what evidence you can. Hopefully she can get into a better situation and you can be her advocate. | 0 | 3,890 | 3.555556 |
nl6pwq | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbors put a barricade blocking off our street, so a bunch of drunk people and young children can play in it. We are the second house away from the turn in, they are the first. The neighbors like to put up a barricade blocking off the turn in consisting of traffic cones of unknown origin and trash bins. They do this so a party consisting of young children and drunk adults can play and loiter in the streets without anyone being able to get through. They are really disruptive and leave trash everywhere and play loud music. When we drive home, if they have the barricade up, we have to drive 5 minutes to go around and get to our house. The issues are: This would obstruct any emergency services trying to get to houses on our street. They couldn’t even drive through because of the people in the street. Someone could miss it and smash up their car on the trash bins. No one can get through in general. They would have to take the 5 minute detour. They are endangering the children. All the beer bottles they leave could pop tires. So what laws, if any, does this break, and if they do this, can we call the cops to have them tell them off and remove it? I could physically remove the barrier but I feel like they might confront me. How do I get them to stop? We’ve already tried asking and they just say something along the lines of “otherwise people would drive into us” or other excuses. This is Idaho by the way. | gzgyon3 | gzh0stn | 1,621,998,466 | 1,621,999,647 | 1,543 | 4,695 | If someone is blocking a public street, call the police. | On top of the advice to call the police: Call the fire department. They do not fuck around when it comes to emergency vehicle access. | 0 | 1,181 | 3.042774 |
nl6pwq | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbors put a barricade blocking off our street, so a bunch of drunk people and young children can play in it. We are the second house away from the turn in, they are the first. The neighbors like to put up a barricade blocking off the turn in consisting of traffic cones of unknown origin and trash bins. They do this so a party consisting of young children and drunk adults can play and loiter in the streets without anyone being able to get through. They are really disruptive and leave trash everywhere and play loud music. When we drive home, if they have the barricade up, we have to drive 5 minutes to go around and get to our house. The issues are: This would obstruct any emergency services trying to get to houses on our street. They couldn’t even drive through because of the people in the street. Someone could miss it and smash up their car on the trash bins. No one can get through in general. They would have to take the 5 minute detour. They are endangering the children. All the beer bottles they leave could pop tires. So what laws, if any, does this break, and if they do this, can we call the cops to have them tell them off and remove it? I could physically remove the barrier but I feel like they might confront me. How do I get them to stop? We’ve already tried asking and they just say something along the lines of “otherwise people would drive into us” or other excuses. This is Idaho by the way. | gzi0vf8 | gzhmd92 | 1,622,027,356 | 1,622,014,728 | 94 | 64 | Call the fire department and also report the illegal block party to the city. You have to pull permits for this. | Assuming it is a town road. Call the local police every time. They may not fine them the first time but they will if they have to come out time and time again. If you know of anyone else that is being inconvenienced by this have them report it as well. The more people that complain the better. | 1 | 12,628 | 1.46875 |
nl6pwq | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbors put a barricade blocking off our street, so a bunch of drunk people and young children can play in it. We are the second house away from the turn in, they are the first. The neighbors like to put up a barricade blocking off the turn in consisting of traffic cones of unknown origin and trash bins. They do this so a party consisting of young children and drunk adults can play and loiter in the streets without anyone being able to get through. They are really disruptive and leave trash everywhere and play loud music. When we drive home, if they have the barricade up, we have to drive 5 minutes to go around and get to our house. The issues are: This would obstruct any emergency services trying to get to houses on our street. They couldn’t even drive through because of the people in the street. Someone could miss it and smash up their car on the trash bins. No one can get through in general. They would have to take the 5 minute detour. They are endangering the children. All the beer bottles they leave could pop tires. So what laws, if any, does this break, and if they do this, can we call the cops to have them tell them off and remove it? I could physically remove the barrier but I feel like they might confront me. How do I get them to stop? We’ve already tried asking and they just say something along the lines of “otherwise people would drive into us” or other excuses. This is Idaho by the way. | gzhqmme | gzi0vf8 | 1,622,018,563 | 1,622,027,356 | 22 | 94 | Your city would be helpful info as well; there are likely ordinances against this exact thing. But as others have said, this isn’t really a “legal advice” problem yet if you haven’t called the cops and exhausted that option. They should be the most immediately effective solution for you. | Call the fire department and also report the illegal block party to the city. You have to pull permits for this. | 0 | 8,793 | 4.272727 |
nl6pwq | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbors put a barricade blocking off our street, so a bunch of drunk people and young children can play in it. We are the second house away from the turn in, they are the first. The neighbors like to put up a barricade blocking off the turn in consisting of traffic cones of unknown origin and trash bins. They do this so a party consisting of young children and drunk adults can play and loiter in the streets without anyone being able to get through. They are really disruptive and leave trash everywhere and play loud music. When we drive home, if they have the barricade up, we have to drive 5 minutes to go around and get to our house. The issues are: This would obstruct any emergency services trying to get to houses on our street. They couldn’t even drive through because of the people in the street. Someone could miss it and smash up their car on the trash bins. No one can get through in general. They would have to take the 5 minute detour. They are endangering the children. All the beer bottles they leave could pop tires. So what laws, if any, does this break, and if they do this, can we call the cops to have them tell them off and remove it? I could physically remove the barrier but I feel like they might confront me. How do I get them to stop? We’ve already tried asking and they just say something along the lines of “otherwise people would drive into us” or other excuses. This is Idaho by the way. | gzio6w4 | gzhmd92 | 1,622,039,908 | 1,622,014,728 | 79 | 64 | I am a prosecutor in Idaho and they are breaking a number of laws by doing this. Many cities have ordinances that make obstructing streets a misdemeanor, as does I.C. 18-3907 for state highways. They are also violating I.C. 18-7031 (littering law) by placing debris on public property. On top of that, by venturing into the street while intoxicated, the adults are likely violating public intoxication ordinances. Finally, this sounds like a Hornbook example of disturbing the peace under either state law (I.C. 18-6409) or local ordinance, and it could even constitute a violation of public nuisance law at the state (I.C. 18-5901) and local level. Tl;dr they are breaking a metric fuck ton of laws by doing this, so call the police the next time it happens. | Assuming it is a town road. Call the local police every time. They may not fine them the first time but they will if they have to come out time and time again. If you know of anyone else that is being inconvenienced by this have them report it as well. The more people that complain the better. | 1 | 25,180 | 1.234375 |
nl6pwq | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbors put a barricade blocking off our street, so a bunch of drunk people and young children can play in it. We are the second house away from the turn in, they are the first. The neighbors like to put up a barricade blocking off the turn in consisting of traffic cones of unknown origin and trash bins. They do this so a party consisting of young children and drunk adults can play and loiter in the streets without anyone being able to get through. They are really disruptive and leave trash everywhere and play loud music. When we drive home, if they have the barricade up, we have to drive 5 minutes to go around and get to our house. The issues are: This would obstruct any emergency services trying to get to houses on our street. They couldn’t even drive through because of the people in the street. Someone could miss it and smash up their car on the trash bins. No one can get through in general. They would have to take the 5 minute detour. They are endangering the children. All the beer bottles they leave could pop tires. So what laws, if any, does this break, and if they do this, can we call the cops to have them tell them off and remove it? I could physically remove the barrier but I feel like they might confront me. How do I get them to stop? We’ve already tried asking and they just say something along the lines of “otherwise people would drive into us” or other excuses. This is Idaho by the way. | gzio6w4 | gzi3088 | 1,622,039,908 | 1,622,028,883 | 79 | 31 | I am a prosecutor in Idaho and they are breaking a number of laws by doing this. Many cities have ordinances that make obstructing streets a misdemeanor, as does I.C. 18-3907 for state highways. They are also violating I.C. 18-7031 (littering law) by placing debris on public property. On top of that, by venturing into the street while intoxicated, the adults are likely violating public intoxication ordinances. Finally, this sounds like a Hornbook example of disturbing the peace under either state law (I.C. 18-6409) or local ordinance, and it could even constitute a violation of public nuisance law at the state (I.C. 18-5901) and local level. Tl;dr they are breaking a metric fuck ton of laws by doing this, so call the police the next time it happens. | Good morning, Before you make a call to the police or fire department, which are solid options, have you tried getting to know your neighbors and being friendly? Have you spoken to them about this? I only ask because it seems people these days don’t want to be social with others, and that leads to legal issues such as this. I have a similar situation near me. I just cracked a beer and went to talk to the guys. Made small talk. Discussed some issues and we all made friends. No problems. No cops. No firemen. Just conversation. If you don’t like that approach, I totally get it. The fire department is your best bet. Good luck. | 1 | 11,025 | 2.548387 |
nl6pwq | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbors put a barricade blocking off our street, so a bunch of drunk people and young children can play in it. We are the second house away from the turn in, they are the first. The neighbors like to put up a barricade blocking off the turn in consisting of traffic cones of unknown origin and trash bins. They do this so a party consisting of young children and drunk adults can play and loiter in the streets without anyone being able to get through. They are really disruptive and leave trash everywhere and play loud music. When we drive home, if they have the barricade up, we have to drive 5 minutes to go around and get to our house. The issues are: This would obstruct any emergency services trying to get to houses on our street. They couldn’t even drive through because of the people in the street. Someone could miss it and smash up their car on the trash bins. No one can get through in general. They would have to take the 5 minute detour. They are endangering the children. All the beer bottles they leave could pop tires. So what laws, if any, does this break, and if they do this, can we call the cops to have them tell them off and remove it? I could physically remove the barrier but I feel like they might confront me. How do I get them to stop? We’ve already tried asking and they just say something along the lines of “otherwise people would drive into us” or other excuses. This is Idaho by the way. | gzhqmme | gzio6w4 | 1,622,018,563 | 1,622,039,908 | 22 | 79 | Your city would be helpful info as well; there are likely ordinances against this exact thing. But as others have said, this isn’t really a “legal advice” problem yet if you haven’t called the cops and exhausted that option. They should be the most immediately effective solution for you. | I am a prosecutor in Idaho and they are breaking a number of laws by doing this. Many cities have ordinances that make obstructing streets a misdemeanor, as does I.C. 18-3907 for state highways. They are also violating I.C. 18-7031 (littering law) by placing debris on public property. On top of that, by venturing into the street while intoxicated, the adults are likely violating public intoxication ordinances. Finally, this sounds like a Hornbook example of disturbing the peace under either state law (I.C. 18-6409) or local ordinance, and it could even constitute a violation of public nuisance law at the state (I.C. 18-5901) and local level. Tl;dr they are breaking a metric fuck ton of laws by doing this, so call the police the next time it happens. | 0 | 21,345 | 3.590909 |
nl6pwq | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbors put a barricade blocking off our street, so a bunch of drunk people and young children can play in it. We are the second house away from the turn in, they are the first. The neighbors like to put up a barricade blocking off the turn in consisting of traffic cones of unknown origin and trash bins. They do this so a party consisting of young children and drunk adults can play and loiter in the streets without anyone being able to get through. They are really disruptive and leave trash everywhere and play loud music. When we drive home, if they have the barricade up, we have to drive 5 minutes to go around and get to our house. The issues are: This would obstruct any emergency services trying to get to houses on our street. They couldn’t even drive through because of the people in the street. Someone could miss it and smash up their car on the trash bins. No one can get through in general. They would have to take the 5 minute detour. They are endangering the children. All the beer bottles they leave could pop tires. So what laws, if any, does this break, and if they do this, can we call the cops to have them tell them off and remove it? I could physically remove the barrier but I feel like they might confront me. How do I get them to stop? We’ve already tried asking and they just say something along the lines of “otherwise people would drive into us” or other excuses. This is Idaho by the way. | gzih2xi | gzio6w4 | 1,622,036,706 | 1,622,039,908 | 17 | 79 | Not a lawyer but call the police (non-emergency) and they'll come to shut it down, and if it keeps happening possibly fine them. Or if you really want to fuck up their party. Notify the fire department. They'll really come fuck up their day for blocking off emergency road access without a permit. | I am a prosecutor in Idaho and they are breaking a number of laws by doing this. Many cities have ordinances that make obstructing streets a misdemeanor, as does I.C. 18-3907 for state highways. They are also violating I.C. 18-7031 (littering law) by placing debris on public property. On top of that, by venturing into the street while intoxicated, the adults are likely violating public intoxication ordinances. Finally, this sounds like a Hornbook example of disturbing the peace under either state law (I.C. 18-6409) or local ordinance, and it could even constitute a violation of public nuisance law at the state (I.C. 18-5901) and local level. Tl;dr they are breaking a metric fuck ton of laws by doing this, so call the police the next time it happens. | 0 | 3,202 | 4.647059 |
nl6pwq | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbors put a barricade blocking off our street, so a bunch of drunk people and young children can play in it. We are the second house away from the turn in, they are the first. The neighbors like to put up a barricade blocking off the turn in consisting of traffic cones of unknown origin and trash bins. They do this so a party consisting of young children and drunk adults can play and loiter in the streets without anyone being able to get through. They are really disruptive and leave trash everywhere and play loud music. When we drive home, if they have the barricade up, we have to drive 5 minutes to go around and get to our house. The issues are: This would obstruct any emergency services trying to get to houses on our street. They couldn’t even drive through because of the people in the street. Someone could miss it and smash up their car on the trash bins. No one can get through in general. They would have to take the 5 minute detour. They are endangering the children. All the beer bottles they leave could pop tires. So what laws, if any, does this break, and if they do this, can we call the cops to have them tell them off and remove it? I could physically remove the barrier but I feel like they might confront me. How do I get them to stop? We’ve already tried asking and they just say something along the lines of “otherwise people would drive into us” or other excuses. This is Idaho by the way. | gzi3088 | gzhqmme | 1,622,028,883 | 1,622,018,563 | 31 | 22 | Good morning, Before you make a call to the police or fire department, which are solid options, have you tried getting to know your neighbors and being friendly? Have you spoken to them about this? I only ask because it seems people these days don’t want to be social with others, and that leads to legal issues such as this. I have a similar situation near me. I just cracked a beer and went to talk to the guys. Made small talk. Discussed some issues and we all made friends. No problems. No cops. No firemen. Just conversation. If you don’t like that approach, I totally get it. The fire department is your best bet. Good luck. | Your city would be helpful info as well; there are likely ordinances against this exact thing. But as others have said, this isn’t really a “legal advice” problem yet if you haven’t called the cops and exhausted that option. They should be the most immediately effective solution for you. | 1 | 10,320 | 1.409091 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghfh2e8 | ghfps1u | 1,609,275,655 | 1,609,280,018 | 49 | 81 | Providing the insurance info is ok, although frustrating because this is 100% not your fault. They could try to access the ‘Medical Payments’ portion of your policy. That coverage is a no fault or good will coverage that will pay up to the stated limit if someone is injured on your property regardless of fault, usually a small amount of $2.5k or $5k. This really should be handled directly by the utility company, by leaving their equipment they created an attractive nuisance and should be held liable. Also, if your neighbor’s family is frivolous they will want to go for the “deep pockets” and a utility company will almost always have higher insurance limits than a personal homeowners policy. There is a chance that the utility company will have to cover you but I cannot be sure without seeing the easement agreement. You should instruct your broker to turn in the claim/incident so your carrier can protect their/your interest if a lawsuit is filed. Carriers can deny a claim if they do no receive timely notice of a claim. Best of luck | Give your homeowner's insurance info an notify your insurer of the accident. You WANT your insurer involved and notified ASAP if there might be a claim here. That doesn't mean you did anytHing wrong or that it's a valid claim. What you don't want is to keep this from your insurer and then two years from now you get sued over the accident and your insurer says "You were obligated to notify us and because you didn't notify us and give us a chance t investigate, we're not going to cover this claim, you're on your own." | 0 | 4,363 | 1.653061 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghfabi5 | ghfps1u | 1,609,272,301 | 1,609,280,018 | 20 | 81 | Document all facts, name of company brand of machinery, dates times, etc, take photos. Notify your insurance carrier of this incident and all details. Do not communicate with neighbors about this incident. Tell them that you are not liable for this and that you will not be communicating with them. Inform your insurance company of any further communication. | Give your homeowner's insurance info an notify your insurer of the accident. You WANT your insurer involved and notified ASAP if there might be a claim here. That doesn't mean you did anytHing wrong or that it's a valid claim. What you don't want is to keep this from your insurer and then two years from now you get sued over the accident and your insurer says "You were obligated to notify us and because you didn't notify us and give us a chance t investigate, we're not going to cover this claim, you're on your own." | 0 | 7,717 | 4.05 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghf649g | ghfps1u | 1,609,270,231 | 1,609,280,018 | 14 | 81 | I would go and photograph the spot where the incident occurred. | Give your homeowner's insurance info an notify your insurer of the accident. You WANT your insurer involved and notified ASAP if there might be a claim here. That doesn't mean you did anytHing wrong or that it's a valid claim. What you don't want is to keep this from your insurer and then two years from now you get sued over the accident and your insurer says "You were obligated to notify us and because you didn't notify us and give us a chance t investigate, we're not going to cover this claim, you're on your own." | 0 | 9,787 | 5.785714 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghfps1u | ghfj1vn | 1,609,280,018 | 1,609,276,653 | 81 | 4 | Give your homeowner's insurance info an notify your insurer of the accident. You WANT your insurer involved and notified ASAP if there might be a claim here. That doesn't mean you did anytHing wrong or that it's a valid claim. What you don't want is to keep this from your insurer and then two years from now you get sued over the accident and your insurer says "You were obligated to notify us and because you didn't notify us and give us a chance t investigate, we're not going to cover this claim, you're on your own." | *Responses in Italics. Just remember, this person is your neighbor, you will likely have to live with/next to them for a while. The important person in this is the kid that was hurt. You have insurance for a reason. No need to be mean/confrontational. Hope the responses help, stay safe out there.* My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. *Yes. Your home owners policy should handle. Let them know and file the claim. Give the claim information to your neighbor. Tell your neighbor to get an attorney and make sure they understand that there is an easement and it was used by a utility company. There is a shorter time to sue governmental entities and the like.* Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). *It depends. Consult with a local attorney, also your insurance has a duty to defend you on this matter. Government claims may be time barred. Explain to your insurance carrier that the work was done by a utility/government entity on their easement. They will need to file a subrogation claim against the utility/government if they pay out.* | 1 | 3,365 | 20.25 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghfh2e8 | ghfabi5 | 1,609,275,655 | 1,609,272,301 | 49 | 20 | Providing the insurance info is ok, although frustrating because this is 100% not your fault. They could try to access the ‘Medical Payments’ portion of your policy. That coverage is a no fault or good will coverage that will pay up to the stated limit if someone is injured on your property regardless of fault, usually a small amount of $2.5k or $5k. This really should be handled directly by the utility company, by leaving their equipment they created an attractive nuisance and should be held liable. Also, if your neighbor’s family is frivolous they will want to go for the “deep pockets” and a utility company will almost always have higher insurance limits than a personal homeowners policy. There is a chance that the utility company will have to cover you but I cannot be sure without seeing the easement agreement. You should instruct your broker to turn in the claim/incident so your carrier can protect their/your interest if a lawsuit is filed. Carriers can deny a claim if they do no receive timely notice of a claim. Best of luck | Document all facts, name of company brand of machinery, dates times, etc, take photos. Notify your insurance carrier of this incident and all details. Do not communicate with neighbors about this incident. Tell them that you are not liable for this and that you will not be communicating with them. Inform your insurance company of any further communication. | 1 | 3,354 | 2.45 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghf649g | ghfh2e8 | 1,609,270,231 | 1,609,275,655 | 14 | 49 | I would go and photograph the spot where the incident occurred. | Providing the insurance info is ok, although frustrating because this is 100% not your fault. They could try to access the ‘Medical Payments’ portion of your policy. That coverage is a no fault or good will coverage that will pay up to the stated limit if someone is injured on your property regardless of fault, usually a small amount of $2.5k or $5k. This really should be handled directly by the utility company, by leaving their equipment they created an attractive nuisance and should be held liable. Also, if your neighbor’s family is frivolous they will want to go for the “deep pockets” and a utility company will almost always have higher insurance limits than a personal homeowners policy. There is a chance that the utility company will have to cover you but I cannot be sure without seeing the easement agreement. You should instruct your broker to turn in the claim/incident so your carrier can protect their/your interest if a lawsuit is filed. Carriers can deny a claim if they do no receive timely notice of a claim. Best of luck | 0 | 5,424 | 3.5 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghfabi5 | ghfttcy | 1,609,272,301 | 1,609,282,087 | 20 | 45 | Document all facts, name of company brand of machinery, dates times, etc, take photos. Notify your insurance carrier of this incident and all details. Do not communicate with neighbors about this incident. Tell them that you are not liable for this and that you will not be communicating with them. Inform your insurance company of any further communication. | >a *utility company* was doing work *in an easement* on my property In addition to what everyone else said, -- It would be a good idea to contact the utility company immediately. Although it's not clear, from what you've said here it sounds like the utility left its equipment on *the utility's* easement/property. The utility company or any property owner has a duty to cordon off the area or otherwise make some effort to discourage (young) kids from playing on the equipment/property where an "attractive nuisance" injury is foreseeable. The utility could be liable to your neighbor for creating an attractive nuisance = leaving the equipment on **its** property w/o safeguards, the issue is totally fact-specific bit it's one you should raise when you speak to your premises insurance carrier. Edit to add, the Iowa Bar could point you in the right direction for legal guidance vis attractive nuisance, https://connect2local.com/l/256572/c/584899/a-guide-to-iowas-attractive-nuisance-laws | 0 | 9,786 | 2.25 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghfsu14 | ghfttcy | 1,609,281,582 | 1,609,282,087 | 14 | 45 | Insurance companies have lawyers that will figure it out, give them the info, thats why you pay the insurance, so you do not have to deal with this. | >a *utility company* was doing work *in an easement* on my property In addition to what everyone else said, -- It would be a good idea to contact the utility company immediately. Although it's not clear, from what you've said here it sounds like the utility left its equipment on *the utility's* easement/property. The utility company or any property owner has a duty to cordon off the area or otherwise make some effort to discourage (young) kids from playing on the equipment/property where an "attractive nuisance" injury is foreseeable. The utility could be liable to your neighbor for creating an attractive nuisance = leaving the equipment on **its** property w/o safeguards, the issue is totally fact-specific bit it's one you should raise when you speak to your premises insurance carrier. Edit to add, the Iowa Bar could point you in the right direction for legal guidance vis attractive nuisance, https://connect2local.com/l/256572/c/584899/a-guide-to-iowas-attractive-nuisance-laws | 0 | 505 | 3.214286 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghfttcy | ghf649g | 1,609,282,087 | 1,609,270,231 | 45 | 14 | >a *utility company* was doing work *in an easement* on my property In addition to what everyone else said, -- It would be a good idea to contact the utility company immediately. Although it's not clear, from what you've said here it sounds like the utility left its equipment on *the utility's* easement/property. The utility company or any property owner has a duty to cordon off the area or otherwise make some effort to discourage (young) kids from playing on the equipment/property where an "attractive nuisance" injury is foreseeable. The utility could be liable to your neighbor for creating an attractive nuisance = leaving the equipment on **its** property w/o safeguards, the issue is totally fact-specific bit it's one you should raise when you speak to your premises insurance carrier. Edit to add, the Iowa Bar could point you in the right direction for legal guidance vis attractive nuisance, https://connect2local.com/l/256572/c/584899/a-guide-to-iowas-attractive-nuisance-laws | I would go and photograph the spot where the incident occurred. | 1 | 11,856 | 3.214286 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghfj1vn | ghfttcy | 1,609,276,653 | 1,609,282,087 | 4 | 45 | *Responses in Italics. Just remember, this person is your neighbor, you will likely have to live with/next to them for a while. The important person in this is the kid that was hurt. You have insurance for a reason. No need to be mean/confrontational. Hope the responses help, stay safe out there.* My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. *Yes. Your home owners policy should handle. Let them know and file the claim. Give the claim information to your neighbor. Tell your neighbor to get an attorney and make sure they understand that there is an easement and it was used by a utility company. There is a shorter time to sue governmental entities and the like.* Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). *It depends. Consult with a local attorney, also your insurance has a duty to defend you on this matter. Government claims may be time barred. Explain to your insurance carrier that the work was done by a utility/government entity on their easement. They will need to file a subrogation claim against the utility/government if they pay out.* | >a *utility company* was doing work *in an easement* on my property In addition to what everyone else said, -- It would be a good idea to contact the utility company immediately. Although it's not clear, from what you've said here it sounds like the utility left its equipment on *the utility's* easement/property. The utility company or any property owner has a duty to cordon off the area or otherwise make some effort to discourage (young) kids from playing on the equipment/property where an "attractive nuisance" injury is foreseeable. The utility could be liable to your neighbor for creating an attractive nuisance = leaving the equipment on **its** property w/o safeguards, the issue is totally fact-specific bit it's one you should raise when you speak to your premises insurance carrier. Edit to add, the Iowa Bar could point you in the right direction for legal guidance vis attractive nuisance, https://connect2local.com/l/256572/c/584899/a-guide-to-iowas-attractive-nuisance-laws | 0 | 5,434 | 11.25 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghfabi5 | ghf649g | 1,609,272,301 | 1,609,270,231 | 20 | 14 | Document all facts, name of company brand of machinery, dates times, etc, take photos. Notify your insurance carrier of this incident and all details. Do not communicate with neighbors about this incident. Tell them that you are not liable for this and that you will not be communicating with them. Inform your insurance company of any further communication. | I would go and photograph the spot where the incident occurred. | 1 | 2,070 | 1.428571 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghg63c0 | ghfsu14 | 1,609,288,600 | 1,609,281,582 | 15 | 14 | Not a lawyer but I was a paralegal at an insurance defense firm for 10+ years. Definitely contact your insurance company. This is why you have insurance. They will investigate. They also have entire law firms behind them to defend these kinds of claims. | Insurance companies have lawyers that will figure it out, give them the info, thats why you pay the insurance, so you do not have to deal with this. | 1 | 7,018 | 1.071429 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghfsu14 | ghfj1vn | 1,609,281,582 | 1,609,276,653 | 14 | 4 | Insurance companies have lawyers that will figure it out, give them the info, thats why you pay the insurance, so you do not have to deal with this. | *Responses in Italics. Just remember, this person is your neighbor, you will likely have to live with/next to them for a while. The important person in this is the kid that was hurt. You have insurance for a reason. No need to be mean/confrontational. Hope the responses help, stay safe out there.* My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. *Yes. Your home owners policy should handle. Let them know and file the claim. Give the claim information to your neighbor. Tell your neighbor to get an attorney and make sure they understand that there is an easement and it was used by a utility company. There is a shorter time to sue governmental entities and the like.* Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). *It depends. Consult with a local attorney, also your insurance has a duty to defend you on this matter. Government claims may be time barred. Explain to your insurance carrier that the work was done by a utility/government entity on their easement. They will need to file a subrogation claim against the utility/government if they pay out.* | 1 | 4,929 | 3.5 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghg63c0 | ghf649g | 1,609,288,600 | 1,609,270,231 | 15 | 14 | Not a lawyer but I was a paralegal at an insurance defense firm for 10+ years. Definitely contact your insurance company. This is why you have insurance. They will investigate. They also have entire law firms behind them to defend these kinds of claims. | I would go and photograph the spot where the incident occurred. | 1 | 18,369 | 1.071429 |
kmjqge | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | Iowa, semi-urgent - could use a little advice within a couple hours if possible. Neighbor's relative (child) was injured on my property after falling off equipment being used by a utility to do work in an easement and neighbor wants my homeowner's insurance information. Hi all I could use some advice. I have a time sensitive issue as my neighbor plans to stop by my house after work. Anyway, the situation - a utility company was doing work in an easement on my property. They had a large backhoe (I think). They did not complete their work prior to Christmas, so they left the equipment on site over Christmas. On Christmas Day my neighbor had relatives over and several were children who played outside. I am told that one of the kids tried to climb up to the top of the backhoe but fell off. My neighbor says his arm was broken and he needed stitches to both his arm and his head, which he hit. I was not told of this situation until this morning. In the mean time the company returned, finished their work and removed the equipment. But this morning I found my neighbor in my yard taking photos of the area where the work was done. That is when she told me what happened. She confirmed that the child was taken to the ER and has been treated. She then told me she had to leave so the conversation ended. A couple minutes after she left she texted me saying she is going to stop by my house after work and needs my homeowners insurance information to give to her relative for their medical bills. She told me what time she will be coming and asked me to write it down and put it in my mailbox and she will pick it up. My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). If there is anything else I should be doing right now I would appreciate any advice. I have obviously not been in this type of situation before and I don't want to do anything stupid or give out anything I shouldn't. Thank you. | ghg63c0 | ghfj1vn | 1,609,288,600 | 1,609,276,653 | 15 | 4 | Not a lawyer but I was a paralegal at an insurance defense firm for 10+ years. Definitely contact your insurance company. This is why you have insurance. They will investigate. They also have entire law firms behind them to defend these kinds of claims. | *Responses in Italics. Just remember, this person is your neighbor, you will likely have to live with/next to them for a while. The important person in this is the kid that was hurt. You have insurance for a reason. No need to be mean/confrontational. Hope the responses help, stay safe out there.* My most pressing question is: is it okay to give her my homeowner's insurance information? If I do so I don't want it later to be called admitting fault or something, and I'm also worried about the possibility of my rates going up if this isn't legally my responsibility. *Yes. Your home owners policy should handle. Let them know and file the claim. Give the claim information to your neighbor. Tell your neighbor to get an attorney and make sure they understand that there is an easement and it was used by a utility company. There is a shorter time to sue governmental entities and the like.* Second question being - is this my responsibility? While they were injured on my property, I am told they were injured while falling off a piece of equipment left by a utility company. This was not my equipment and I was not consulted in their decision to leave it on my property over Christmas (I did not even know they were doing work until I came home and found my yard ripped up, and the workers were gone). *It depends. Consult with a local attorney, also your insurance has a duty to defend you on this matter. Government claims may be time barred. Explain to your insurance carrier that the work was done by a utility/government entity on their easement. They will need to file a subrogation claim against the utility/government if they pay out.* | 1 | 11,947 | 3.75 |
9j08cj | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | HELP!!! My ex (daughters dad) has served me for an ex parte! He has filed for sol custody/physical custody. I have a court hearing tomorrow and I just want to know what to expect??? HELP!!! My ex (daughters dad) has served me for an ex parte! He has filed for sol custody/physical custody. He's stating on the paperwork that he has served me with that I (mother) is not suitable to take care of my daughter. He is saying that I put her in dirty clothes, small clothes, and that I don't brush her hair. He's saying we don't have anywhere to live, in which we do have somewhere to live. He's stating that someone has told him that I sleep in my car with my daughter and that we are always worried where we are going to sleep. This is UNTRUE! Everything he is stating is a lie! We share 50/50 custody and have been split up for 4 years now. He has never helped me out with money and refuses to pay l child support. I am single full time working mother living in San Diego, CA. If anyone has any advice please help me. I have no idea what to expect when I come into court tomorrow. | e6nqinp | e6nw4au | 1,537,946,444 | 1,537,958,961 | 108 | 327 | You need a lawyer. This is not optional. If you can't afford one, sell a kidney if you have to. Not really, but still, you NEED a lawyer. There is alot going on here and you are most likely not going to lose custody just like that, HOWEVER if you do not have a lawyer with you in that courtroom you will most likely have a very bad outcome. | Sounds like an emergency petition. Show up with proof of where you live (copy of lease, pictures of her room/area), and if possible rebuttals for each of his attacks. You should also push for child support, no reason not to now that you know he is going to attack you regardless. | 0 | 12,517 | 3.027778 |
9j08cj | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | HELP!!! My ex (daughters dad) has served me for an ex parte! He has filed for sol custody/physical custody. I have a court hearing tomorrow and I just want to know what to expect??? HELP!!! My ex (daughters dad) has served me for an ex parte! He has filed for sol custody/physical custody. He's stating on the paperwork that he has served me with that I (mother) is not suitable to take care of my daughter. He is saying that I put her in dirty clothes, small clothes, and that I don't brush her hair. He's saying we don't have anywhere to live, in which we do have somewhere to live. He's stating that someone has told him that I sleep in my car with my daughter and that we are always worried where we are going to sleep. This is UNTRUE! Everything he is stating is a lie! We share 50/50 custody and have been split up for 4 years now. He has never helped me out with money and refuses to pay l child support. I am single full time working mother living in San Diego, CA. If anyone has any advice please help me. I have no idea what to expect when I come into court tomorrow. | e6nw4au | e6ntygv | 1,537,958,961 | 1,537,954,262 | 327 | 32 | Sounds like an emergency petition. Show up with proof of where you live (copy of lease, pictures of her room/area), and if possible rebuttals for each of his attacks. You should also push for child support, no reason not to now that you know he is going to attack you regardless. | Make sure you have proof of where you're staying and your future plans. Any recent pictures to show how she is dressed & cared for. Edit: digital pictures w/timestamps | 1 | 4,699 | 10.21875 |
9j08cj | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | HELP!!! My ex (daughters dad) has served me for an ex parte! He has filed for sol custody/physical custody. I have a court hearing tomorrow and I just want to know what to expect??? HELP!!! My ex (daughters dad) has served me for an ex parte! He has filed for sol custody/physical custody. He's stating on the paperwork that he has served me with that I (mother) is not suitable to take care of my daughter. He is saying that I put her in dirty clothes, small clothes, and that I don't brush her hair. He's saying we don't have anywhere to live, in which we do have somewhere to live. He's stating that someone has told him that I sleep in my car with my daughter and that we are always worried where we are going to sleep. This is UNTRUE! Everything he is stating is a lie! We share 50/50 custody and have been split up for 4 years now. He has never helped me out with money and refuses to pay l child support. I am single full time working mother living in San Diego, CA. If anyone has any advice please help me. I have no idea what to expect when I come into court tomorrow. | e6nw8gs | e6ntygv | 1,537,959,178 | 1,537,954,262 | 91 | 32 | You *need a lawyer ASAP* but it sounds like you may not be able to get one before the hearing. Review the paperwork from him and make a numbered list of each reason he uses to claim that you're unsuitable. Then make a list with as much evidence as you can gather for each issue. Is your daughter in school or childcare? Can you get a statement from her teachers or caregivers about her usual appearance and hygiene? What about neighbors? Take pictures of where you are living and provide a lease or statement from whomever you're living with to show that you're providing a stable and safe living environment. Get evidence of any her recent doctor visits to show that she's healthy and you're looking after her health and wellbeing. You may want to get evidence of any of your own recent medical care to show that you're not chemically-dependent or mentally-ill etc. or that you're properly treating it if you are. Is he delinquent on child support? Do you have any records of communication with him about child support? | Make sure you have proof of where you're staying and your future plans. Any recent pictures to show how she is dressed & cared for. Edit: digital pictures w/timestamps | 1 | 4,916 | 2.84375 |
9j08cj | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | HELP!!! My ex (daughters dad) has served me for an ex parte! He has filed for sol custody/physical custody. I have a court hearing tomorrow and I just want to know what to expect??? HELP!!! My ex (daughters dad) has served me for an ex parte! He has filed for sol custody/physical custody. He's stating on the paperwork that he has served me with that I (mother) is not suitable to take care of my daughter. He is saying that I put her in dirty clothes, small clothes, and that I don't brush her hair. He's saying we don't have anywhere to live, in which we do have somewhere to live. He's stating that someone has told him that I sleep in my car with my daughter and that we are always worried where we are going to sleep. This is UNTRUE! Everything he is stating is a lie! We share 50/50 custody and have been split up for 4 years now. He has never helped me out with money and refuses to pay l child support. I am single full time working mother living in San Diego, CA. If anyone has any advice please help me. I have no idea what to expect when I come into court tomorrow. | e6nwwvf | e6ntygv | 1,537,960,374 | 1,537,954,262 | 52 | 32 | Bring a copy of your deed, lease or mortgage information to show proof of housing. Take photos of your interior, show food, tidiness, clothing anything to dispute his claims. Bank statements as well. Bring 3 copies of everything. (you, the court and him). Keep your cool and calmly explain your position. Explain to the judge that you are not represented by council due to the short notice of the hearing. | Make sure you have proof of where you're staying and your future plans. Any recent pictures to show how she is dressed & cared for. Edit: digital pictures w/timestamps | 1 | 6,112 | 1.625 |
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> Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent.
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qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhscwkb | hhsa1ui | 1,635,025,347 | 1,635,024,034 | 123 | 4 | Don't speak to the police without an attorney. They are not there to help you and can lie to you to gather evidence they will use against you. You should seek legal counsel and direct all future communications from the police to that attorney. If you are arrested the only things you should say to the police are "I want my attorney and I am invoking my fifth amendment right to remain silent." Once you are in their custody assume you are being recorded at all times and don't discuss the case with anyone your attorney doesn't approve. Don't resist any arrest even if it's illegal, let your attorney deal with it. Don't let them in your house without a warrant. If the do search your house then call your attorney immediately. | ---
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qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhsy56x | hhsa1ui | 1,635,035,287 | 1,635,024,034 | 74 | 4 | The police are not your friends here. They are not trying to help you. Gather copies of your timesheets and anything that proves it could not be you. Then unless they arrest you, you say I don’t have to speak to you, good bye. If you do get arrested you say I WANT AN ATTORNEY. Clearly and without any maybe or should I. You straight up request an attorney. At this point they are feeling out leads. You can also reach out to your state bar and get an attorney referral for a consultation. PA Find an Attorney | ---
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> Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent.
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> Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent.
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qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hht80f0 | hhsa1ui | 1,635,039,992 | 1,635,024,034 | 36 | 4 | You'll never talk yourself out of being arrested, but you can talk yourself *into* being arrested. | ---
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> Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent.
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qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtpio5 | hhtw2mk | 1,635,049,136 | 1,635,053,360 | 8 | 10 | Not a Lawyer, but...: 1) Yes, cops can lie to you. They are literally almost NEVER obligated to tell the truth. They can do essentially whatever they want, to try and get an arrest and something they can hand to the DA. 2) If you did not commit the crime, and they refused to show you the 'evidence' they had, it's very unlikely they had any evidence at all. I wouldn't be overly worried, they're likely trying to feel out some lead they got, which is just incorrect. If they had evidence that they could actually use against you, they'd already have arrested you, 99.9% of the time, in a situation like this. There's not much of a reason that if they had such hard evidence, that they'd have just walked away from an easy arrest. 3) I would still advise you to speak to a lawyer in your area. Consultations are usually free or pretty cheap. 4) Whatever you do, **DO NOT talk to the police about this matter, or anything related to this matter again without a lawyer representing you present.** In the future, if a police officer approaches you and asks you for information about something like this, or really anything, inform them that you will not answer questions without your lawyer present. | Lawyer and former prosecutor here. What everyone else has said above is absolutely correct. Do not ever speak to the police without an attorney present. They can and will lie to you to get you to say something that they can use against you. Law abiding people generally believe that if they have nothing to hide, it won’t hurt to talk to the police. They count on this. And the police generally won’t bother to interview a suspect if they have enough evidence to arrest already. If they’re going to arrest you, it’s going to happen and there is nothing that you can say to them that will change their mind, but there is plenty you can say that could dig a hole deeper. Hire an attorney immediately, and let them deal with the police on your behalf going forward. If they contact you again, the only thing you should say is here is my attorneys card, you can contact him/her. | 0 | 4,224 | 1.25 |
qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtw2mk | hhthiy5 | 1,635,053,360 | 1,635,044,707 | 10 | 6 | Lawyer and former prosecutor here. What everyone else has said above is absolutely correct. Do not ever speak to the police without an attorney present. They can and will lie to you to get you to say something that they can use against you. Law abiding people generally believe that if they have nothing to hide, it won’t hurt to talk to the police. They count on this. And the police generally won’t bother to interview a suspect if they have enough evidence to arrest already. If they’re going to arrest you, it’s going to happen and there is nothing that you can say to them that will change their mind, but there is plenty you can say that could dig a hole deeper. Hire an attorney immediately, and let them deal with the police on your behalf going forward. If they contact you again, the only thing you should say is here is my attorneys card, you can contact him/her. | If they had hard evidence they would've arrested you. Don't talk to the police. If they do arrest you, get a lawyer and say nothing to anyone. | 1 | 8,653 | 1.666667 |
qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtw2mk | hhtiv2j | 1,635,053,360 | 1,635,045,423 | 10 | 6 | Lawyer and former prosecutor here. What everyone else has said above is absolutely correct. Do not ever speak to the police without an attorney present. They can and will lie to you to get you to say something that they can use against you. Law abiding people generally believe that if they have nothing to hide, it won’t hurt to talk to the police. They count on this. And the police generally won’t bother to interview a suspect if they have enough evidence to arrest already. If they’re going to arrest you, it’s going to happen and there is nothing that you can say to them that will change their mind, but there is plenty you can say that could dig a hole deeper. Hire an attorney immediately, and let them deal with the police on your behalf going forward. If they contact you again, the only thing you should say is here is my attorneys card, you can contact him/her. | Not a lawyer but the police did the exact same thing to me. If they continue pushing further id speak with a lawyer | 1 | 7,937 | 1.666667 |
qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtw2mk | hhtvluy | 1,635,053,360 | 1,635,053,030 | 10 | 5 | Lawyer and former prosecutor here. What everyone else has said above is absolutely correct. Do not ever speak to the police without an attorney present. They can and will lie to you to get you to say something that they can use against you. Law abiding people generally believe that if they have nothing to hide, it won’t hurt to talk to the police. They count on this. And the police generally won’t bother to interview a suspect if they have enough evidence to arrest already. If they’re going to arrest you, it’s going to happen and there is nothing that you can say to them that will change their mind, but there is plenty you can say that could dig a hole deeper. Hire an attorney immediately, and let them deal with the police on your behalf going forward. If they contact you again, the only thing you should say is here is my attorneys card, you can contact him/her. | You handled it well. The police might say all sorts of things. They will sometimes fabricate an entire crime when actually investigating another one. Was there actually spray painting? Was there actually a security camera? Were they actually investigating that? We have no idea. | 1 | 330 | 2 |
qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhsa1ui | hhtw2mk | 1,635,024,034 | 1,635,053,360 | 4 | 10 | ---
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qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtjkvt | hhtw2mk | 1,635,045,823 | 1,635,053,360 | 3 | 10 | Don't only remain silent, but also always film your interactions with police officers | Lawyer and former prosecutor here. What everyone else has said above is absolutely correct. Do not ever speak to the police without an attorney present. They can and will lie to you to get you to say something that they can use against you. Law abiding people generally believe that if they have nothing to hide, it won’t hurt to talk to the police. They count on this. And the police generally won’t bother to interview a suspect if they have enough evidence to arrest already. If they’re going to arrest you, it’s going to happen and there is nothing that you can say to them that will change their mind, but there is plenty you can say that could dig a hole deeper. Hire an attorney immediately, and let them deal with the police on your behalf going forward. If they contact you again, the only thing you should say is here is my attorneys card, you can contact him/her. | 0 | 7,537 | 3.333333 |
qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtw2mk | hhtl6gv | 1,635,053,360 | 1,635,046,696 | 10 | 2 | Lawyer and former prosecutor here. What everyone else has said above is absolutely correct. Do not ever speak to the police without an attorney present. They can and will lie to you to get you to say something that they can use against you. Law abiding people generally believe that if they have nothing to hide, it won’t hurt to talk to the police. They count on this. And the police generally won’t bother to interview a suspect if they have enough evidence to arrest already. If they’re going to arrest you, it’s going to happen and there is nothing that you can say to them that will change their mind, but there is plenty you can say that could dig a hole deeper. Hire an attorney immediately, and let them deal with the police on your behalf going forward. If they contact you again, the only thing you should say is here is my attorneys card, you can contact him/her. | now that's funny because to go through video footage to find a person doing anything can take hours, and when it's the DA they can state they didn't find it on video. | 1 | 6,664 | 5 |
qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtpio5 | hhthiy5 | 1,635,049,136 | 1,635,044,707 | 8 | 6 | Not a Lawyer, but...: 1) Yes, cops can lie to you. They are literally almost NEVER obligated to tell the truth. They can do essentially whatever they want, to try and get an arrest and something they can hand to the DA. 2) If you did not commit the crime, and they refused to show you the 'evidence' they had, it's very unlikely they had any evidence at all. I wouldn't be overly worried, they're likely trying to feel out some lead they got, which is just incorrect. If they had evidence that they could actually use against you, they'd already have arrested you, 99.9% of the time, in a situation like this. There's not much of a reason that if they had such hard evidence, that they'd have just walked away from an easy arrest. 3) I would still advise you to speak to a lawyer in your area. Consultations are usually free or pretty cheap. 4) Whatever you do, **DO NOT talk to the police about this matter, or anything related to this matter again without a lawyer representing you present.** In the future, if a police officer approaches you and asks you for information about something like this, or really anything, inform them that you will not answer questions without your lawyer present. | If they had hard evidence they would've arrested you. Don't talk to the police. If they do arrest you, get a lawyer and say nothing to anyone. | 1 | 4,429 | 1.333333 |
qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtiv2j | hhtpio5 | 1,635,045,423 | 1,635,049,136 | 6 | 8 | Not a lawyer but the police did the exact same thing to me. If they continue pushing further id speak with a lawyer | Not a Lawyer, but...: 1) Yes, cops can lie to you. They are literally almost NEVER obligated to tell the truth. They can do essentially whatever they want, to try and get an arrest and something they can hand to the DA. 2) If you did not commit the crime, and they refused to show you the 'evidence' they had, it's very unlikely they had any evidence at all. I wouldn't be overly worried, they're likely trying to feel out some lead they got, which is just incorrect. If they had evidence that they could actually use against you, they'd already have arrested you, 99.9% of the time, in a situation like this. There's not much of a reason that if they had such hard evidence, that they'd have just walked away from an easy arrest. 3) I would still advise you to speak to a lawyer in your area. Consultations are usually free or pretty cheap. 4) Whatever you do, **DO NOT talk to the police about this matter, or anything related to this matter again without a lawyer representing you present.** In the future, if a police officer approaches you and asks you for information about something like this, or really anything, inform them that you will not answer questions without your lawyer present. | 0 | 3,713 | 1.333333 |
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> Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent.
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qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtjkvt | hhtpio5 | 1,635,045,823 | 1,635,049,136 | 3 | 8 | Don't only remain silent, but also always film your interactions with police officers | Not a Lawyer, but...: 1) Yes, cops can lie to you. They are literally almost NEVER obligated to tell the truth. They can do essentially whatever they want, to try and get an arrest and something they can hand to the DA. 2) If you did not commit the crime, and they refused to show you the 'evidence' they had, it's very unlikely they had any evidence at all. I wouldn't be overly worried, they're likely trying to feel out some lead they got, which is just incorrect. If they had evidence that they could actually use against you, they'd already have arrested you, 99.9% of the time, in a situation like this. There's not much of a reason that if they had such hard evidence, that they'd have just walked away from an easy arrest. 3) I would still advise you to speak to a lawyer in your area. Consultations are usually free or pretty cheap. 4) Whatever you do, **DO NOT talk to the police about this matter, or anything related to this matter again without a lawyer representing you present.** In the future, if a police officer approaches you and asks you for information about something like this, or really anything, inform them that you will not answer questions without your lawyer present. | 0 | 3,313 | 2.666667 |
qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtl6gv | hhtpio5 | 1,635,046,696 | 1,635,049,136 | 2 | 8 | now that's funny because to go through video footage to find a person doing anything can take hours, and when it's the DA they can state they didn't find it on video. | Not a Lawyer, but...: 1) Yes, cops can lie to you. They are literally almost NEVER obligated to tell the truth. They can do essentially whatever they want, to try and get an arrest and something they can hand to the DA. 2) If you did not commit the crime, and they refused to show you the 'evidence' they had, it's very unlikely they had any evidence at all. I wouldn't be overly worried, they're likely trying to feel out some lead they got, which is just incorrect. If they had evidence that they could actually use against you, they'd already have arrested you, 99.9% of the time, in a situation like this. There's not much of a reason that if they had such hard evidence, that they'd have just walked away from an easy arrest. 3) I would still advise you to speak to a lawyer in your area. Consultations are usually free or pretty cheap. 4) Whatever you do, **DO NOT talk to the police about this matter, or anything related to this matter again without a lawyer representing you present.** In the future, if a police officer approaches you and asks you for information about something like this, or really anything, inform them that you will not answer questions without your lawyer present. | 0 | 2,440 | 4 |
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Title: **Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism**
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> Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent.
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> Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent.
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> Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent.
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qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtvluy | hhtjkvt | 1,635,053,030 | 1,635,045,823 | 5 | 3 | You handled it well. The police might say all sorts of things. They will sometimes fabricate an entire crime when actually investigating another one. Was there actually spray painting? Was there actually a security camera? Were they actually investigating that? We have no idea. | Don't only remain silent, but also always film your interactions with police officers | 1 | 7,207 | 1.666667 |
qedsrz | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Police showed up to my house and accused me of vandalism Pennsylvania - Yesterday morning the police showed up to my house and accused me of spray painting penises on cars and breaking windows. It wasn’t me however they say someone gave them my name and they say they have someone on camera that looks just like me. He was trying to coerce me into admitting to it the whole time he was talking to me. I did not do this. Officer allegedly had a picture from the security camera with him but wouldn’t show me I have time sheets from work that show I worked the day it happened as well as my phones location services showing I was home whenever the crimes happened. They left my house telling me if I want to be honest to give them a call and they’ll try to “help me out.” I’ve heard police are allowed to say they have evidence they don’t actually have to get you to confess but it truly wasn’t me. Should I be ok? It’s just so unnerving when they tell you they have such hard evidence that it was you when I’m really innocent. | hhtvluy | hhtl6gv | 1,635,053,030 | 1,635,046,696 | 5 | 2 | You handled it well. The police might say all sorts of things. They will sometimes fabricate an entire crime when actually investigating another one. Was there actually spray painting? Was there actually a security camera? Were they actually investigating that? We have no idea. | now that's funny because to go through video footage to find a person doing anything can take hours, and when it's the DA they can state they didn't find it on video. | 1 | 6,334 | 2.5 |
507dwx | legaladvice_train | 0.9 | [Florida] My coworker is accusing me of throwing an egg at her car while she was at work. She called the police and she says when they showed er the camera footage the guy who did it looks like me. What do I do? So context, someone threw an egg at my coworker's CE this morning while she was at work. By this morning I mean around 6am according to the camera footage. The guy on footage is wearing a hoodie and has a beard like me but he's far away and that's really all I could make out of his face besides his car color. We've been going trough a rough patch at work (I have issues with her work ethic and her relationship with our manager) so I guess she thinks because of that I went to our job and threw that egg. At that time I was heading to school. I have a class at 7am and the traffic at is horrendous in Miami so I get up a little earlier to get ready and go. I haven't been charged, but should I be worried? | d71qw5y | d71qvvs | 1,472,505,590 | 1,472,505,580 | 28 | 6 | >besides his car color. Is his car the same as yours? | 1 | 10 | 4.666667 |
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507dwx | legaladvice_train | 0.9 | [Florida] My coworker is accusing me of throwing an egg at her car while she was at work. She called the police and she says when they showed er the camera footage the guy who did it looks like me. What do I do? So context, someone threw an egg at my coworker's CE this morning while she was at work. By this morning I mean around 6am according to the camera footage. The guy on footage is wearing a hoodie and has a beard like me but he's far away and that's really all I could make out of his face besides his car color. We've been going trough a rough patch at work (I have issues with her work ethic and her relationship with our manager) so I guess she thinks because of that I went to our job and threw that egg. At that time I was heading to school. I have a class at 7am and the traffic at is horrendous in Miami so I get up a little earlier to get ready and go. I haven't been charged, but should I be worried? | d71uwa0 | d71qvvs | 1,472,511,193 | 1,472,505,580 | 7 | 6 | They have motive, but they can't really prove it was you. You're not the only guy with a beard and a white car. I'm sure you're okay. It would sure help if you had an alibi, though. | >besides his car color. Is his car the same as yours? | 1 | 5,613 | 1.166667 |
qltojb | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | Caught my downstairs neighbors in the act of opening and going through my package worth $200. Cops refuse to help. I live in PA. I rent the upstairs (2nd floor) of a 2 unit house, with the other unit being downstairs. Yesterday i noticed 2 boxes by my neighbors back door that looked really familiar, but it seemed odd for them to be there because the mailboxes aren't at that door and FedEx has never carried them back there before. The boxes each have 4 cases of energy drinks (am a vendor). First thing i did was take a picture from my second story window because one of the boxes had the tape torn all the way off and 2 cases of drinks halfway setting out. The boxes both had labels with my significant other's (who lives with me) name and our apt # on. I was home alone with the kids (very young) and couldnt/didn't want to confront the neighbors. So i sent the pic i took to my SO and he actually called the police and came home from work so he could retrieve the drinks. But before he got home one of the people that lives downstairs starting pulling all the cases out of the boxes. My fear was he was going to start carrying them to his van parked in front of the house, because he wasn't letting anybody here know he had them... So i popped my head out the window, said hey im missing a shipment I'm expecting, can you tell me whose name is on the label? And he stands there and goes uhhhhhh i dont know. So i said ok then! please just set them down, my bf is coming to get them! Then shut my window and dialed the police. The cops will not help us. The problem goes beyond this and has been ongoing and my family don't provoke them. We are generally quiet people and our kids are 3 and 4. They are the type of people who constantly fight with each other if it's not with somebody else. The landlord has refused to address it and i actually haven't even had heat since mid Sept bc the heater is broke and he knows, so i don't expect help there. Who do i contact to address these issues? I've been charged at and threatened twice in 2 months now. The first time is recorded with audio. I did not threaten back or provoke either time, but the cops are saying i must have provoked and wont even watch my videos (which were recorded on my front lawn on security cam)! The start of these issues was me asking them to let my kids sleep at 1-4am and she caught me getting in my car one day and threatened me over it and ran after me so i called 911... I have FB messages from one of them saved, from the same night i asked them to quiet down ( I'm acquainted with the mom of the family) where she talked ridiculously to me (i blocked her directly after). I have to figure something out and have now 3 times reported actual crimes they have committed to the cops. I know i can't press charges, but is this just going to escalate until i get hurt? I am BEYOND tired of this specific cop telling me crimes i know are crimes aren't crimes or playing fortune teller and acting like he was here for things he wasn't! Should i call USPS over the mail stuff? It was delivered by FedEx, so I'm not sure if they could do anything. But I've heard the postal inspector might be able to investigate it? My boyfriend got frustrated and asked the cop if he can just come open his packages and unbox them and the cop threatened to cite him lol. Same cop threatened to cite me a few hours earlier when i was reporting this to him and he wouldn't do anything. I told him be my guest because i know how to plead not guilty. I didn't yell or threaten, just ask questions. His attitude changed a little and he offered to call my landlord (who i told him doesn't even have heat in this house). That was where this was left at last evening. | hj6fmo8 | hj54vid | 1,635,962,886 | 1,635,944,241 | 14 | 3 | The police aren't legally required to help you. You can talk to the patrolman's supervisor or your local elected officials about the patrolman's demeanor and conduct. You can file a civil complaint against your neighbor with the local magisterial district court for the value of the packages that your neighbor is stealing. You only need proof by the preponderance of the evidence. You also have to actually lose the packages; you can't sue for an unsuccessful attempt to steal. You can file a private criminal complaint against your neighbor with the local magisterial district court for threatening or physically attacking you if the police do not do it themselves. For summary offenses, the complaint does **not** need to be approved by the District Attorney's office. Here is a list of summary offenses in Pennsylvania. You have to file within 30 days of the incident because the statute of limitations for summary offenses is 30 days. Your landlord is required to provide habitable premises. Having heating is necessary for the property to be habitable. You can send a written letter to your landlord informing them that they are in breach of the implied warranty of habitability. You can also file a complaint with the Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General if your landlord does not fix the heat here. Finally, you can retain a landlord-tenant attorney to file a lawsuit on your behalf if your landlord doesn't fix the unit. | As already stated, the police don't have to take action. You need to get a PO box | 1 | 18,645 | 4.666667 |
b959hw | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | [CA, USA] $750 worth of online purchase was supposed to be delivered with 'Signature Required'. The package was left outside my house without taking signature and stolen. I ordered something online worth $750. The online retailer shipped to my home address with 'Signature Required' delivery. The shipping company's online tracking says that item was delivered and left at my front door but it was not signed by anyone. But I have not seen the item at my front door. Most likely it's been stolen after delivery since items left at my front door is visible and there is some foot traffic. The online retailer says that I take this matter with the shipping company. And if the shipping company do not help, ask for Police help. What is the best method to approach this? I dont know if I should fight this with the online retailer, shipping company or file a police case. Who is responsible for the stolen/lost package? | ek2e3tz | ek2d7ux | 1,554,336,798 | 1,554,336,101 | 117 | 44 | You don't have any relationship with the shipping company, the retailer does. If the retailer won't replace it, file a chargeback with your CC. | I am not a lawyer, but simplest solution for you is to file a chargeback because you haven't received what you paid for. It's seller/shipper's responsibility to contact UPS to file a claim. | 1 | 697 | 2.659091 |
b959hw | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | [CA, USA] $750 worth of online purchase was supposed to be delivered with 'Signature Required'. The package was left outside my house without taking signature and stolen. I ordered something online worth $750. The online retailer shipped to my home address with 'Signature Required' delivery. The shipping company's online tracking says that item was delivered and left at my front door but it was not signed by anyone. But I have not seen the item at my front door. Most likely it's been stolen after delivery since items left at my front door is visible and there is some foot traffic. The online retailer says that I take this matter with the shipping company. And if the shipping company do not help, ask for Police help. What is the best method to approach this? I dont know if I should fight this with the online retailer, shipping company or file a police case. Who is responsible for the stolen/lost package? | ek2i6zf | ek33ilm | 1,554,340,008 | 1,554,361,510 | 30 | 35 | I work at a big shipping company, dealing with customer service. First, the person who was supposed to receive the package would file a claim with the shipping company claiming they never received it. This puts an “investigation” on the package. If the investigation turns up nothing, and the driver did indeed not receive a signature when it clearly had a “signature required” on the label, it’s 100% the shipping company’s fault. Now, if the shipper/retailer didn’t actually put “signature required” embedded in the label, then the shipping company had every right to leave it at the door. Sometimes, even if signature is required, the driver might’ve delivered it to the wrong address and got someone else’s signature. At least with my company, we are able to see if there was a signature required, where the package was dropped off, if a signature was obtained what the signature looks like, and the last name of the person who signed for it/received it. If it’s the shipping company’s fault, they should reimburse/replace, assuming you file a claim. If it’s the shipper/retailer’s fault, and they didn’t put insurance on your package, then the shipper is fucked and should owe you a replacement. Either way, I definitely think you should issue a chargeback on your credit card and file a claim with whoever the shipping company is. Definitely not a lawyer but I do this a lot. | My mother actually went through this, but in NYC. She had two pairs of $5,000 shoes being shipped to her & required a signature. The shipping company left them downstairs in the lobby and it was quite obvious where they were shipped from. (Saks). They were stolen How she dealt with it: She called saks & they tried to blame her for it. “It was left at your door” “it’s your responsibility” but finally she spoken to a manager available. They told her to contact the shipping company and report it. I don’t really remember which one. (UPS or FedEx). Saks gave her a case number. She called one of the shipping companies and they had to investigate it. After a couple of weeks, I’m pretty sure the shipping company had to pay her $10,000 back. Try calling customer service and speak to someone who has power. Not a representative. Then report it to the shipping company. | 0 | 21,502 | 1.166667 |
shi47d | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | [CA] The State of Maryland is trying to get me to pay a toll for my vehicle. The picture they showed me of my car shows it was on an auto transport. The date of the photo is 12/12/2020. It is now 01/31/2022. Can I dispute this? The car they're trying to "fine" wasn't even being driven by anyone, seeing as it was on an auto-transport. Am I obligated to pay? | hv6aqkj | hv38gyd | 1,643,744,616 | 1,643,687,947 | 22 | 19 | The E-ZPass and video tolling system in Maryland has been pretty broken for the last two years. Maryland switched to all video tolling at the start of the pandemic then switched vendors to TransCore last year but have not been able to staff up sufficiently to deal with the backlog and customer service issues. The good news is: you're not alone, Maryland government is painfully aware of the problem, and it'll be obvious that you're not liable for the toll based on the picture when you finally able to talk to someone in an MDOT/E-ZPass office. The bad news is: they've got a backlog spanning (as you're seeing) three calendar years and aren't picking up the phone to help anyone. Worse, since you're not a Maryland resident, local legislators will have no incentive to help you navigate the system so you just need to be as sweet as possible to every customer service rep you talk to and hope they help you out. Good luck! | Sure you can, and honestly it’s good practice to dispute every parking ticket you get. If you lose the dispute you should probably pay rather than ignore it or fight it. | 1 | 56,669 | 1.157895 |
shi47d | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | [CA] The State of Maryland is trying to get me to pay a toll for my vehicle. The picture they showed me of my car shows it was on an auto transport. The date of the photo is 12/12/2020. It is now 01/31/2022. Can I dispute this? The car they're trying to "fine" wasn't even being driven by anyone, seeing as it was on an auto-transport. Am I obligated to pay? | hv5yjil | hv6aqkj | 1,643,740,093 | 1,643,744,616 | 2 | 22 | Like others have said just dispute it, should be a pretty easy quick process. I've had to dispute a few and it was always painless and taken care of quickly. | The E-ZPass and video tolling system in Maryland has been pretty broken for the last two years. Maryland switched to all video tolling at the start of the pandemic then switched vendors to TransCore last year but have not been able to staff up sufficiently to deal with the backlog and customer service issues. The good news is: you're not alone, Maryland government is painfully aware of the problem, and it'll be obvious that you're not liable for the toll based on the picture when you finally able to talk to someone in an MDOT/E-ZPass office. The bad news is: they've got a backlog spanning (as you're seeing) three calendar years and aren't picking up the phone to help anyone. Worse, since you're not a Maryland resident, local legislators will have no incentive to help you navigate the system so you just need to be as sweet as possible to every customer service rep you talk to and hope they help you out. Good luck! | 0 | 4,523 | 11 |
fdo3sm | legaladvice_train | 0.92 | Someone created a fake business on yelp with my personal number to harass me. Yelp refuses to remove it I don’t own a business and I have been getting harassing calls for awhile now and I finally found my number on a yelp page with a single bad review of someone who cut ties with me on bad terms. The business does not exist but yelp refuses to remove it. Do I have any legal ground? | fjj09iu | fjirwti | 1,583,379,965 | 1,583,374,357 | 42 | 2 | Simply claim the business (its free to do) which is done via phone verification. Then remove your number and mark the business closed. | ---
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rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq6bowl | hq65v67 | 1,640,629,863 | 1,640,627,493 | 708 | 131 | You have two angles to consider. Criminal and Civil. If the equipment is yours **and you can prove that this particular piece of equipment is the one listed in your receipts**, and you remove it at a time when you are still allowed access to the building, then it's not theft, however be prepared for them to report it as such. Consider how will you respond to a police officer who has been told that you stole the server? If you have anything in writing where the company acknowledges that you will be taking the equipment with you when you leave then you'll be in a much better place. From a civil perspective, you are at more risk. The burden of proof is much less, and if the equipment is truly that important to the company then consider the amount of damages that they might claim. They could argue that although the equipment was yours, the data was theirs, and the destruction of the data caused damages. A **written** acknowledgement that they are aware that you are taking the equipment and that you and they agree on the disposition of the data will also put you in a better place here. Finally, consider that $5k of equipment "years ago" is not worth $5k now. IF they refuse to allow you to take the server then you're only going to be entitled to its current value. That may only be $1k, for example. Although taking the equipment and leaving them the data may feel like the morally correct thing to do, consider that the value of the equipment is likely tiny compared to the losses they could claim if you took it. I'm just asking you to consider that your negotiations should focus on reimbursement rather than you taking the equipment. Even if you had to file in small claims, you're fighting over a much smaller number and exposing yourself to much less legal exposure than taking the equipment and risk them suing you. | I would create a backup and let your boss know. While the equipment is yours, you used company time to setup the server and store files on it. This is why it’s never good for a manager to let employees buy things essential to their jobs. | 1 | 2,370 | 5.40458 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq6bowl | hq60k2y | 1,640,629,863 | 1,640,625,354 | 708 | 47 | You have two angles to consider. Criminal and Civil. If the equipment is yours **and you can prove that this particular piece of equipment is the one listed in your receipts**, and you remove it at a time when you are still allowed access to the building, then it's not theft, however be prepared for them to report it as such. Consider how will you respond to a police officer who has been told that you stole the server? If you have anything in writing where the company acknowledges that you will be taking the equipment with you when you leave then you'll be in a much better place. From a civil perspective, you are at more risk. The burden of proof is much less, and if the equipment is truly that important to the company then consider the amount of damages that they might claim. They could argue that although the equipment was yours, the data was theirs, and the destruction of the data caused damages. A **written** acknowledgement that they are aware that you are taking the equipment and that you and they agree on the disposition of the data will also put you in a better place here. Finally, consider that $5k of equipment "years ago" is not worth $5k now. IF they refuse to allow you to take the server then you're only going to be entitled to its current value. That may only be $1k, for example. Although taking the equipment and leaving them the data may feel like the morally correct thing to do, consider that the value of the equipment is likely tiny compared to the losses they could claim if you took it. I'm just asking you to consider that your negotiations should focus on reimbursement rather than you taking the equipment. Even if you had to file in small claims, you're fighting over a much smaller number and exposing yourself to much less legal exposure than taking the equipment and risk them suing you. | It likely depends on your employment contract, including any provisions on termination, duty to protect company confidential information, etc., as well as state law provisions. For example, there may be an implied lease of the equipment to the company. Wiping your server on the day you leave is kind of the nuclear option. What if they called you that afternoon and offered $10k to restore it? You can't, because you wiped it. Unless your storage needs are so urgent that you're going to be using it elsewhere, it would be better to just disconnect it... subject to the other issues above, of course. Mind you, this all depends on the contract, state, etc. | 1 | 4,509 | 15.06383 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq6bowl | hq6320d | 1,640,629,863 | 1,640,626,367 | 708 | 31 | You have two angles to consider. Criminal and Civil. If the equipment is yours **and you can prove that this particular piece of equipment is the one listed in your receipts**, and you remove it at a time when you are still allowed access to the building, then it's not theft, however be prepared for them to report it as such. Consider how will you respond to a police officer who has been told that you stole the server? If you have anything in writing where the company acknowledges that you will be taking the equipment with you when you leave then you'll be in a much better place. From a civil perspective, you are at more risk. The burden of proof is much less, and if the equipment is truly that important to the company then consider the amount of damages that they might claim. They could argue that although the equipment was yours, the data was theirs, and the destruction of the data caused damages. A **written** acknowledgement that they are aware that you are taking the equipment and that you and they agree on the disposition of the data will also put you in a better place here. Finally, consider that $5k of equipment "years ago" is not worth $5k now. IF they refuse to allow you to take the server then you're only going to be entitled to its current value. That may only be $1k, for example. Although taking the equipment and leaving them the data may feel like the morally correct thing to do, consider that the value of the equipment is likely tiny compared to the losses they could claim if you took it. I'm just asking you to consider that your negotiations should focus on reimbursement rather than you taking the equipment. Even if you had to file in small claims, you're fighting over a much smaller number and exposing yourself to much less legal exposure than taking the equipment and risk them suing you. | I would back it up somewhere and wait for them to offer a sum of money for it. Wiping it is overkill and if there is any software you made on company time they may be entitled to it. ​ Also what state ur in can affect the outcome | 1 | 3,496 | 22.83871 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq60eyf | hq6bowl | 1,640,625,296 | 1,640,629,863 | 24 | 708 | Is there a board you can talk to? This guy is going to tank the company because he has no idea what's walking away with you. It would be best to create duplicates. Do you absolutely need to wipe the equipment at 5pm on January 7? Can you simply disconnect it for now? | You have two angles to consider. Criminal and Civil. If the equipment is yours **and you can prove that this particular piece of equipment is the one listed in your receipts**, and you remove it at a time when you are still allowed access to the building, then it's not theft, however be prepared for them to report it as such. Consider how will you respond to a police officer who has been told that you stole the server? If you have anything in writing where the company acknowledges that you will be taking the equipment with you when you leave then you'll be in a much better place. From a civil perspective, you are at more risk. The burden of proof is much less, and if the equipment is truly that important to the company then consider the amount of damages that they might claim. They could argue that although the equipment was yours, the data was theirs, and the destruction of the data caused damages. A **written** acknowledgement that they are aware that you are taking the equipment and that you and they agree on the disposition of the data will also put you in a better place here. Finally, consider that $5k of equipment "years ago" is not worth $5k now. IF they refuse to allow you to take the server then you're only going to be entitled to its current value. That may only be $1k, for example. Although taking the equipment and leaving them the data may feel like the morally correct thing to do, consider that the value of the equipment is likely tiny compared to the losses they could claim if you took it. I'm just asking you to consider that your negotiations should focus on reimbursement rather than you taking the equipment. Even if you had to file in small claims, you're fighting over a much smaller number and exposing yourself to much less legal exposure than taking the equipment and risk them suing you. | 0 | 4,567 | 29.5 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq6bowl | hq5zn49 | 1,640,629,863 | 1,640,624,979 | 708 | 18 | You have two angles to consider. Criminal and Civil. If the equipment is yours **and you can prove that this particular piece of equipment is the one listed in your receipts**, and you remove it at a time when you are still allowed access to the building, then it's not theft, however be prepared for them to report it as such. Consider how will you respond to a police officer who has been told that you stole the server? If you have anything in writing where the company acknowledges that you will be taking the equipment with you when you leave then you'll be in a much better place. From a civil perspective, you are at more risk. The burden of proof is much less, and if the equipment is truly that important to the company then consider the amount of damages that they might claim. They could argue that although the equipment was yours, the data was theirs, and the destruction of the data caused damages. A **written** acknowledgement that they are aware that you are taking the equipment and that you and they agree on the disposition of the data will also put you in a better place here. Finally, consider that $5k of equipment "years ago" is not worth $5k now. IF they refuse to allow you to take the server then you're only going to be entitled to its current value. That may only be $1k, for example. Although taking the equipment and leaving them the data may feel like the morally correct thing to do, consider that the value of the equipment is likely tiny compared to the losses they could claim if you took it. I'm just asking you to consider that your negotiations should focus on reimbursement rather than you taking the equipment. Even if you had to file in small claims, you're fighting over a much smaller number and exposing yourself to much less legal exposure than taking the equipment and risk them suing you. | Couple of things, first post a state so the people educated on the law in that state can help. I personally recommend backing up the company files somewhere for decencies sake, you can get a decent amount of storage for $100. I’d also offer the configured technology to your boss at the $8000 to $10000 range. I can’t see any issue with your current plan if your in Florida. You’ll likely have your old boss freak out at you when he realizes what he just lost but that’s life. If your an at will employee, you can likely walk out with your things. If the servers are not company assets like you say, this should be fine. I understand not wanting to confront your boss about how everything will break when you leave, but you should try to be clear and OFFER to sell it at a premium. Explain that you don’t want to buy and assemble a new rig. I have a rack with a bricked motherboard that I just got. It’s a serious hassle to set this stuff up but if your boss wants to pay someone to redo it, don’t stop him. | 1 | 4,884 | 39.333333 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq6913m | hq6bowl | 1,640,628,778 | 1,640,629,863 | 8 | 708 | Presumably this is company proprietary data that you should not have access to or be able to retrieve after you are no longer employed by the company. Keeping a backup - especially offering to restore it for money - is a huge red flag. Do everything possible to encourage them, in writing, to have the hardware resources in place before you leave, do backups and leave several copies with the owner and your replacement but do not retain anything anything but copies of the cya communications. | You have two angles to consider. Criminal and Civil. If the equipment is yours **and you can prove that this particular piece of equipment is the one listed in your receipts**, and you remove it at a time when you are still allowed access to the building, then it's not theft, however be prepared for them to report it as such. Consider how will you respond to a police officer who has been told that you stole the server? If you have anything in writing where the company acknowledges that you will be taking the equipment with you when you leave then you'll be in a much better place. From a civil perspective, you are at more risk. The burden of proof is much less, and if the equipment is truly that important to the company then consider the amount of damages that they might claim. They could argue that although the equipment was yours, the data was theirs, and the destruction of the data caused damages. A **written** acknowledgement that they are aware that you are taking the equipment and that you and they agree on the disposition of the data will also put you in a better place here. Finally, consider that $5k of equipment "years ago" is not worth $5k now. IF they refuse to allow you to take the server then you're only going to be entitled to its current value. That may only be $1k, for example. Although taking the equipment and leaving them the data may feel like the morally correct thing to do, consider that the value of the equipment is likely tiny compared to the losses they could claim if you took it. I'm just asking you to consider that your negotiations should focus on reimbursement rather than you taking the equipment. Even if you had to file in small claims, you're fighting over a much smaller number and exposing yourself to much less legal exposure than taking the equipment and risk them suing you. | 0 | 1,085 | 88.5 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq65v67 | hq77ycj | 1,640,627,493 | 1,640,643,138 | 131 | 383 | I would create a backup and let your boss know. While the equipment is yours, you used company time to setup the server and store files on it. This is why it’s never good for a manager to let employees buy things essential to their jobs. | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | 0 | 15,645 | 2.923664 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq77ycj | hq60k2y | 1,640,643,138 | 1,640,625,354 | 383 | 47 | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | It likely depends on your employment contract, including any provisions on termination, duty to protect company confidential information, etc., as well as state law provisions. For example, there may be an implied lease of the equipment to the company. Wiping your server on the day you leave is kind of the nuclear option. What if they called you that afternoon and offered $10k to restore it? You can't, because you wiped it. Unless your storage needs are so urgent that you're going to be using it elsewhere, it would be better to just disconnect it... subject to the other issues above, of course. Mind you, this all depends on the contract, state, etc. | 1 | 17,784 | 8.148936 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq6320d | hq77ycj | 1,640,626,367 | 1,640,643,138 | 31 | 383 | I would back it up somewhere and wait for them to offer a sum of money for it. Wiping it is overkill and if there is any software you made on company time they may be entitled to it. ​ Also what state ur in can affect the outcome | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | 0 | 16,771 | 12.354839 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq60eyf | hq77ycj | 1,640,625,296 | 1,640,643,138 | 24 | 383 | Is there a board you can talk to? This guy is going to tank the company because he has no idea what's walking away with you. It would be best to create duplicates. Do you absolutely need to wipe the equipment at 5pm on January 7? Can you simply disconnect it for now? | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | 0 | 17,842 | 15.958333 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq77ycj | hq6w4su | 1,640,643,138 | 1,640,638,255 | 383 | 20 | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | > I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? Don't wipe the information. Make a backup - 3-2-1 Pull the hard drive and hand it to them. If you are determined to take the server, then take the server, minus the storage. You can pick up new storage and an OS for cheap. From 50 years of experience as a systems engineer (now retired), they will be down within a week (depending on their workload), wanting everything back in place. Document everything that you have done - if the owner/manager is as dumb as it appears, they will go running off to a lawyer demanding to sue. They have no case - but that may not deter them from suing. | 1 | 4,883 | 19.15 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq77ycj | hq745yk | 1,640,643,138 | 1,640,641,555 | 383 | 19 | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | Have you considered offering the equipment to them for a certain price? They NEED a server in place for their email, the shared drive, the daily production and maintenance reports, etc. Taking that server out of the facility could shut the company down. The owner should have figured out what he was going to do when you gave notice. I sell servers and storage arrays for a living, and there's absolutely NO WAY he's going to be able to get a replacement by January 7th. Our current production timeline for the simplest systems is 3-6 weeks, usually closer to 6 than 3. More complex systems are running as long as 12 weeks to ship. The supply chain is an absolute bitch right now. | 1 | 1,583 | 20.157895 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq5zn49 | hq77ycj | 1,640,624,979 | 1,640,643,138 | 18 | 383 | Couple of things, first post a state so the people educated on the law in that state can help. I personally recommend backing up the company files somewhere for decencies sake, you can get a decent amount of storage for $100. I’d also offer the configured technology to your boss at the $8000 to $10000 range. I can’t see any issue with your current plan if your in Florida. You’ll likely have your old boss freak out at you when he realizes what he just lost but that’s life. If your an at will employee, you can likely walk out with your things. If the servers are not company assets like you say, this should be fine. I understand not wanting to confront your boss about how everything will break when you leave, but you should try to be clear and OFFER to sell it at a premium. Explain that you don’t want to buy and assemble a new rig. I have a rack with a bricked motherboard that I just got. It’s a serious hassle to set this stuff up but if your boss wants to pay someone to redo it, don’t stop him. | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | 0 | 18,159 | 21.277778 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq6i49y | hq77ycj | 1,640,632,478 | 1,640,643,138 | 18 | 383 | I'm not sure if this is an option, but I haven't seen it in any other comments so here goes: back all the data up, leave the backup with your soon-to-be-former employer, *then* take all your equipment and leave. if you don't want to pay for a device to use for the backup, which is very reasonable, then you could create an account with a cloud storage provider that does free trials - 30 days would be ideal - and dump the backup there, then give your successor (and your boss) access details and a warning that after the trial is up, their data might be harder to access. (though iirc, most cloud places won't delete your data after a trial is up, but rather make it read-only or not let you upload anything new.) I don't know what kind of work you do, so maybe the data is way too sensitive to trust to commercial cloud storage, but if not, then this might be an option that doesn't cost you money but also doesn't result in inadvertent destruction of your employer's IP. | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | 0 | 10,660 | 21.277778 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq6hzj8 | hq77ycj | 1,640,632,424 | 1,640,643,138 | 11 | 383 | Make a backup while employed and on-site. Leave that backup on-site and document wiping the equipment. Do not remove the data. Document this in advance | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | 0 | 10,714 | 34.818182 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq77ycj | hq6zafj | 1,640,643,138 | 1,640,639,546 | 383 | 9 | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | I'm not a lawyer, but I would recommend leaving the hardware there as it is mission critical to their business. If their business fails because you take said equipment, then it is opening you up for more liability than I think you are realizing. | 1 | 3,592 | 42.555556 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq77ycj | hq6913m | 1,640,643,138 | 1,640,628,778 | 383 | 8 | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | Presumably this is company proprietary data that you should not have access to or be able to retrieve after you are no longer employed by the company. Keeping a backup - especially offering to restore it for money - is a huge red flag. Do everything possible to encourage them, in writing, to have the hardware resources in place before you leave, do backups and leave several copies with the owner and your replacement but do not retain anything anything but copies of the cya communications. | 1 | 14,360 | 47.875 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq6i66x | hq77ycj | 1,640,632,500 | 1,640,643,138 | 4 | 383 | Transfer their data to a spare drive, leave it there for them, wipe your hardware, pack it up and leave. | As a current MSP owner, I would keep that equipment as is once you walk out that door, because you know they are going to flip out and call you as soon as they realize things aren't working. I would then offer to sell them the equipment and all you'll have to do is take it back there, plug it back in, hand the keys to the new IT person and wash your hands of it. I would offer to sell them the equipment for the same exact price you purchased it for, especially since it was something they should have purchased in the first place. I wouldn't even consider taking a loss on it, because servers and electronics are extremely hard to get right now, plus the time to reconfigure everything from scratch will likely cost them double or triple what it would be if they just bought your equipment. Good luck. edit: Many people are suggesting asking for more or charging interest. While OP is free to do that, my suggestion was to keep this conversation as simple as possible. OP might be well served by keeping this conversation as simple and straight forward as possible to avoid getting sued, so trying not to milk out a few extra bucks may be wise, but OP can decide that for themselves. | 0 | 10,638 | 95.75 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq65v67 | hq60k2y | 1,640,627,493 | 1,640,625,354 | 131 | 47 | I would create a backup and let your boss know. While the equipment is yours, you used company time to setup the server and store files on it. This is why it’s never good for a manager to let employees buy things essential to their jobs. | It likely depends on your employment contract, including any provisions on termination, duty to protect company confidential information, etc., as well as state law provisions. For example, there may be an implied lease of the equipment to the company. Wiping your server on the day you leave is kind of the nuclear option. What if they called you that afternoon and offered $10k to restore it? You can't, because you wiped it. Unless your storage needs are so urgent that you're going to be using it elsewhere, it would be better to just disconnect it... subject to the other issues above, of course. Mind you, this all depends on the contract, state, etc. | 1 | 2,139 | 2.787234 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq65v67 | hq6320d | 1,640,627,493 | 1,640,626,367 | 131 | 31 | I would create a backup and let your boss know. While the equipment is yours, you used company time to setup the server and store files on it. This is why it’s never good for a manager to let employees buy things essential to their jobs. | I would back it up somewhere and wait for them to offer a sum of money for it. Wiping it is overkill and if there is any software you made on company time they may be entitled to it. ​ Also what state ur in can affect the outcome | 1 | 1,126 | 4.225806 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq60eyf | hq65v67 | 1,640,625,296 | 1,640,627,493 | 24 | 131 | Is there a board you can talk to? This guy is going to tank the company because he has no idea what's walking away with you. It would be best to create duplicates. Do you absolutely need to wipe the equipment at 5pm on January 7? Can you simply disconnect it for now? | I would create a backup and let your boss know. While the equipment is yours, you used company time to setup the server and store files on it. This is why it’s never good for a manager to let employees buy things essential to their jobs. | 0 | 2,197 | 5.458333 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq5zn49 | hq65v67 | 1,640,624,979 | 1,640,627,493 | 18 | 131 | Couple of things, first post a state so the people educated on the law in that state can help. I personally recommend backing up the company files somewhere for decencies sake, you can get a decent amount of storage for $100. I’d also offer the configured technology to your boss at the $8000 to $10000 range. I can’t see any issue with your current plan if your in Florida. You’ll likely have your old boss freak out at you when he realizes what he just lost but that’s life. If your an at will employee, you can likely walk out with your things. If the servers are not company assets like you say, this should be fine. I understand not wanting to confront your boss about how everything will break when you leave, but you should try to be clear and OFFER to sell it at a premium. Explain that you don’t want to buy and assemble a new rig. I have a rack with a bricked motherboard that I just got. It’s a serious hassle to set this stuff up but if your boss wants to pay someone to redo it, don’t stop him. | I would create a backup and let your boss know. While the equipment is yours, you used company time to setup the server and store files on it. This is why it’s never good for a manager to let employees buy things essential to their jobs. | 0 | 2,514 | 7.277778 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq60k2y | hq60eyf | 1,640,625,354 | 1,640,625,296 | 47 | 24 | It likely depends on your employment contract, including any provisions on termination, duty to protect company confidential information, etc., as well as state law provisions. For example, there may be an implied lease of the equipment to the company. Wiping your server on the day you leave is kind of the nuclear option. What if they called you that afternoon and offered $10k to restore it? You can't, because you wiped it. Unless your storage needs are so urgent that you're going to be using it elsewhere, it would be better to just disconnect it... subject to the other issues above, of course. Mind you, this all depends on the contract, state, etc. | Is there a board you can talk to? This guy is going to tank the company because he has no idea what's walking away with you. It would be best to create duplicates. Do you absolutely need to wipe the equipment at 5pm on January 7? Can you simply disconnect it for now? | 1 | 58 | 1.958333 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq5zn49 | hq60k2y | 1,640,624,979 | 1,640,625,354 | 18 | 47 | Couple of things, first post a state so the people educated on the law in that state can help. I personally recommend backing up the company files somewhere for decencies sake, you can get a decent amount of storage for $100. I’d also offer the configured technology to your boss at the $8000 to $10000 range. I can’t see any issue with your current plan if your in Florida. You’ll likely have your old boss freak out at you when he realizes what he just lost but that’s life. If your an at will employee, you can likely walk out with your things. If the servers are not company assets like you say, this should be fine. I understand not wanting to confront your boss about how everything will break when you leave, but you should try to be clear and OFFER to sell it at a premium. Explain that you don’t want to buy and assemble a new rig. I have a rack with a bricked motherboard that I just got. It’s a serious hassle to set this stuff up but if your boss wants to pay someone to redo it, don’t stop him. | It likely depends on your employment contract, including any provisions on termination, duty to protect company confidential information, etc., as well as state law provisions. For example, there may be an implied lease of the equipment to the company. Wiping your server on the day you leave is kind of the nuclear option. What if they called you that afternoon and offered $10k to restore it? You can't, because you wiped it. Unless your storage needs are so urgent that you're going to be using it elsewhere, it would be better to just disconnect it... subject to the other issues above, of course. Mind you, this all depends on the contract, state, etc. | 0 | 375 | 2.611111 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq60eyf | hq6320d | 1,640,625,296 | 1,640,626,367 | 24 | 31 | Is there a board you can talk to? This guy is going to tank the company because he has no idea what's walking away with you. It would be best to create duplicates. Do you absolutely need to wipe the equipment at 5pm on January 7? Can you simply disconnect it for now? | I would back it up somewhere and wait for them to offer a sum of money for it. Wiping it is overkill and if there is any software you made on company time they may be entitled to it. ​ Also what state ur in can affect the outcome | 0 | 1,071 | 1.291667 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq6320d | hq5zn49 | 1,640,626,367 | 1,640,624,979 | 31 | 18 | I would back it up somewhere and wait for them to offer a sum of money for it. Wiping it is overkill and if there is any software you made on company time they may be entitled to it. ​ Also what state ur in can affect the outcome | Couple of things, first post a state so the people educated on the law in that state can help. I personally recommend backing up the company files somewhere for decencies sake, you can get a decent amount of storage for $100. I’d also offer the configured technology to your boss at the $8000 to $10000 range. I can’t see any issue with your current plan if your in Florida. You’ll likely have your old boss freak out at you when he realizes what he just lost but that’s life. If your an at will employee, you can likely walk out with your things. If the servers are not company assets like you say, this should be fine. I understand not wanting to confront your boss about how everything will break when you leave, but you should try to be clear and OFFER to sell it at a premium. Explain that you don’t want to buy and assemble a new rig. I have a rack with a bricked motherboard that I just got. It’s a serious hassle to set this stuff up but if your boss wants to pay someone to redo it, don’t stop him. | 1 | 1,388 | 1.722222 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq7o2t0 | hq6w4su | 1,640,650,103 | 1,640,638,255 | 24 | 20 | One thing no one mentioned, email your plan and the dire ramifications to any other managers in the company, especially department heads who will have their operations shut down, accountant, shop supervisors, etc. , anyone who might ask the boss what the hell he’s dragging his feet for. Plus, he can’t say he missed the email. | > I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? Don't wipe the information. Make a backup - 3-2-1 Pull the hard drive and hand it to them. If you are determined to take the server, then take the server, minus the storage. You can pick up new storage and an OS for cheap. From 50 years of experience as a systems engineer (now retired), they will be down within a week (depending on their workload), wanting everything back in place. Document everything that you have done - if the owner/manager is as dumb as it appears, they will go running off to a lawyer demanding to sue. They have no case - but that may not deter them from suing. | 1 | 11,848 | 1.2 |
rprk48 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Leaving a job and taking all of my personal equipment with me. What am I required to do with company info stored on them? I work for a small manufacturing op as the sole IT person. I gave the owner written and email notice in November that I would be leaving Effective 5pm on Jan 7th and all equipment I own would be erased at that time. The part I’m worried about is that I own property that is used daily by the company. Several years ago, I requested a budget for a server to host company email, a shared drive, and other daily reports. I explained the advantages to my technologically inept boss and he balked at the $5000 price tag. This stuff would make my job exponentially less time consuming so I asked him if I could buy the stuff myself and he agreed. I kept all of the receipts with my personal credit card info on them. Since then the company has purchased new manufacturing equipment that automatically sends daily production and maintenance reports as well as notifies our maintenance staff of any mechanical issues. This is all forwarded through my equipment. I told the owner verbally that I would be removing my things and he would need to replace them by Dec 15th if he wanted me to transfer everything. He blew me off. I don’t have that specific part in writing. I have given my replacement written step by step instructions as well as an essential equipment list, but he doesn’t have an IT background and he can’t get anywhere with the owner either. No one understands how mission critical this stuff is. I plan on wiping everything after 5pm on Friday and packing up my stuff. Do I need to take any other steps to ensure I can’t be successfully sued? | hq7o2t0 | hq745yk | 1,640,650,103 | 1,640,641,555 | 24 | 19 | One thing no one mentioned, email your plan and the dire ramifications to any other managers in the company, especially department heads who will have their operations shut down, accountant, shop supervisors, etc. , anyone who might ask the boss what the hell he’s dragging his feet for. Plus, he can’t say he missed the email. | Have you considered offering the equipment to them for a certain price? They NEED a server in place for their email, the shared drive, the daily production and maintenance reports, etc. Taking that server out of the facility could shut the company down. The owner should have figured out what he was going to do when you gave notice. I sell servers and storage arrays for a living, and there's absolutely NO WAY he's going to be able to get a replacement by January 7th. Our current production timeline for the simplest systems is 3-6 weeks, usually closer to 6 than 3. More complex systems are running as long as 12 weeks to ship. The supply chain is an absolute bitch right now. | 1 | 8,548 | 1.263158 |
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