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yup . I know basic programming .
2017-07-20T12:08:26.035169
Helene
pythondev_help_Helene_2017-07-20T12:08:26.035169
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understood
2017-07-20T12:08:31.038331
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-07-20T12:08:31.038331
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but my concepts of object oriented programming are not so cool .
2017-07-20T12:08:48.048837
Helene
pythondev_help_Helene_2017-07-20T12:08:48.048837
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can you suggest some good resources ?
2017-07-20T12:28:48.763606
Helene
pythondev_help_Helene_2017-07-20T12:28:48.763606
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Hoping others come along that are newer than I am with their resources they used :smile:
2017-07-20T12:31:51.873261
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-07-20T12:31:51.873261
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and can you share some advanced resources you use ?
2017-07-20T12:45:49.360914
Helene
pythondev_help_Helene_2017-07-20T12:45:49.360914
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May be something may help
2017-07-20T12:45:58.366579
Helene
pythondev_help_Helene_2017-07-20T12:45:58.366579
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You can go through the python tutorial, otherwise I just look at stuff as they come up. <https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html> Later when you know Python better, Effective Python is a good book - but again, after you know the language and can appreciate the tips
2017-07-20T12:54:40.666871
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-07-20T12:54:40.666871
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Exactly how much water should be in the paddy for my summer crop of rice? I need agricultural advice.
2017-07-20T15:16:08.607561
Thomasina
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and getting stackoverflow working for you is also a skill that should be honed.
2017-07-20T15:28:16.985827
Levi
pythondev_help_Levi_2017-07-20T15:28:16.985827
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`from stackoverflow import fibonacci`
2017-07-20T15:28:47.002596
Levi
pythondev_help_Levi_2017-07-20T15:28:47.002596
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if you want to understand OOP, I would recommend learning Java. Java is a statically typed language, but all of it is object oriented and must be inside of a class.
2017-07-20T15:33:48.161372
Aide
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Has any one here ever tried to implement a SDN using python ?
2017-07-20T17:21:06.792078
Hyman
pythondev_help_Hyman_2017-07-20T17:21:06.792078
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<@Hyman> sdn?
2017-07-20T21:47:36.115755
Signe
pythondev_help_Signe_2017-07-20T21:47:36.115755
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Software Defined Networking
2017-07-20T21:51:23.158524
Marcie
pythondev_help_Marcie_2017-07-20T21:51:23.158524
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<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software-defined_networking>
2017-07-20T21:51:42.162339
Marcie
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Hi. I have a time in a string format as `2017-07-21T02:16:51.449-07:00` I am seeking this to convert it into unix-timestamp. Anybody have any idea ?
2017-07-21T05:21:15.754414
Florene
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``` $ pip install arrow ... then, in Python ... t = arrow.get('2017-07-21T02:16:51.449-07:00') print(t.timestamp) ```
2017-07-21T05:23:19.797604
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-07-21T05:23:19.797604
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If that doesn't work, you can use `arrow.get` with a specific format string
2017-07-21T05:24:26.820668
Gabriele
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I recommend `arrow` over standard library functionality.
2017-07-21T05:24:39.825307
Gabriele
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<@Gabriele> : Thanks for response! that worked :slightly_smiling_face: i hope there's no problem in using that...
2017-07-21T07:24:34.047863
Florene
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shouldn't be
2017-07-21T07:24:51.052547
Meg
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since its intended to be as close as a drop in replacement
2017-07-21T07:25:04.056155
Meg
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Also it does consider `07:00` from the time, right ? which i think is the timezone, right ?
2017-07-21T07:25:22.060679
Florene
pythondev_help_Florene_2017-07-21T07:25:22.060679
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specifically it's -7:00, and yes
2017-07-21T07:25:33.063742
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-07-21T07:25:33.063742
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so, java had a really crappy time/calendar library in the standard library for years before it pulled in `joda-time` into the core API
2017-07-21T07:25:40.065736
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-07-21T07:25:40.065736
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now, if only python could do something similar...
2017-07-21T07:25:49.067819
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-07-21T07:25:49.067819
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I think the success of pypi has meant that standard library development has stagnated somewhat, which is a shame
2017-07-21T07:26:34.080297
Gabriele
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we have a poor selection of date/time libraries, and nothing much of use for multimedia generally. But hey, we have `dbm` for "databases", `nntplib` for all the newsgroups we need to access regularly, and `sunau` for reading ancient audio files, so it's not all bad
2017-07-21T07:28:53.117323
Gabriele
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is this sarcasm? :disappointed:
2017-07-21T07:32:14.173790
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-07-21T07:32:14.173790
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just a little
2017-07-21T07:32:23.176477
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-07-21T07:32:23.176477
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sqlite and shelve / dbm modules aren't bad
2017-07-21T07:32:31.178481
Suellen
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they are very much OK
2017-07-21T07:32:35.179679
Suellen
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sqlite is great
2017-07-21T07:32:39.180965
Gabriele
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But I do think Python would be better if there was more effort spent on getting good packages into the standard library
2017-07-21T07:33:26.193166
Gabriele
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yeah.. maybe.. but it's not that easy
2017-07-21T07:33:41.196982
Suellen
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say you want a better datetime. what do you pick?
2017-07-21T07:33:51.199637
Suellen
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Arrow? Why not Delorean?
2017-07-21T07:33:59.201581
Suellen
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That's not the sort of thing you need to answer immediately in a chat... you'd get a few knowledgeable people, they'd discuss it for a bit, find use cases, check code quality, etc
2017-07-21T07:34:32.211009
Gabriele
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There's going to be a huge debase, because it's not like it's clear which of the two is massively better.
2017-07-21T07:34:37.212464
Suellen
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Doesn't matter. This happens already for other PEPs. There's a discussion, then a decision is made
2017-07-21T07:35:06.220121
Gabriele
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But PyPI provides an illusion of a democracy, where you can chose whatever you want.
2017-07-21T07:36:15.238709
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-07-21T07:36:15.238709
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Python and PEPs isn't a democracy at all
2017-07-21T07:36:33.243676
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-07-21T07:36:33.243676
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so maybe it's a calculated decision -- to not introduce some things into stdlib
2017-07-21T07:36:57.250101
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-07-21T07:36:57.250101
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PyPI wouldn't go away. Users are always free to reinvent the wheel
2017-07-21T07:37:01.251272
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-07-21T07:37:01.251272
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And yeah, it probably is a calculated decision; one I disagree with
2017-07-21T07:37:09.253314
Gabriele
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If you're gonna say that batteries are included, they should be good batteries, ones suitable for powering modern software
2017-07-21T07:37:36.260151
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-07-21T07:37:36.260151
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Reasons for importing something inside of a function?. Besides avoiding circular imports
2017-07-21T07:56:09.564426
Mariano
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Maybe it's not relevant to anything else in the program
2017-07-21T07:56:43.574336
Gabriele
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Generally speaking I avoid it if possible
2017-07-21T07:56:51.576671
Gabriele
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I have just done it for avoiding circular imports on some celery tasks. But i have seem it on open source projects
2017-07-21T07:57:44.591684
Mariano
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it you're trying to limit the number of imports, I can understand
2017-07-21T07:58:32.605714
Meg
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especially highly specific imports
2017-07-21T07:58:39.608021
Meg
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It also violates PEP8
2017-07-21T07:58:49.611105
Patty
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but isn't there a bit of a penalty in doing so?
2017-07-21T07:58:50.611231
Meg
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performance penalty, that is
2017-07-21T07:58:58.613864
Meg
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because that method gets hit
2017-07-21T07:59:07.616321
Meg
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has to import a dependency before continuing execution
2017-07-21T07:59:15.618808
Meg
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I read that imports are expensives
2017-07-21T07:59:19.619948
Mariano
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they can be
2017-07-21T07:59:38.625625
Gabriele
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and some people leave the more expensive ones in functions that arent often called, thats a main reason i see it too
2017-07-21T08:00:49.649741
Patty
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hellooo friends
2017-07-21T08:01:18.659372
Kandis
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anybody knows what this means
2017-07-21T08:01:37.665433
Kandis
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i saw this code in here:
2017-07-21T08:01:59.672387
Kandis
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first link in google by query numpy arrange
2017-07-21T08:03:32.701375
Luana
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<https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/reference/generated/numpy.arange.html>
2017-07-21T08:03:34.701813
Luana
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or did you ask something specific?
2017-07-21T08:03:51.706996
Luana
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what about t**2?? <@Luana>
2017-07-21T08:06:29.756314
Kandis
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t power of 2
2017-07-21T08:07:47.780338
Luana
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but t is an array?
2017-07-21T08:08:25.791908
Samuel
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how does t**2 and t**3 work in this image <@Luana>
2017-07-21T08:09:19.808779
Kandis
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may be overloaded `__pow__`
2017-07-21T08:10:15.826710
Luana
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I haven’t work with numpy yet :slightly_smiling_face:
2017-07-21T08:10:50.837545
Luana
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:eyes:
2017-07-21T08:11:14.844755
Kandis
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the function applies to every element of the original array
2017-07-21T08:27:44.162361
Suellen
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so you see three plots: `y = x^1`, `y = x^2` and `y = x^3`
2017-07-21T08:28:19.174283
Suellen
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I have here a very small unit test program which is supposed to test that an object throws an AttributeError exception when a nonexistent attribute lookup is attempted. ``` """ It works fine, but I had to put the attribute access in a function. I'd rather not define that function and use the assertRaises as follows: self.assertRaises(AttributeError, lambda item: item.donation) However, this gives me a "TypeError: &lt;lambda&gt;() takes exactly 1 argument (0 given)" Is this somehow possible without helper function? """ import unittest class Person(object): pass class MyTestCase(unittest.TestCase): def testNonexistentAttibute(self): def bombfunc(): p = Person() p.name = "Joe" p.money = 2800 p.money += p.donation # boom! self.assertRaises(AttributeError, bombfunc) self.assertRaises(AttributeError, lambda item: item.donation) # How to make this work? if __name__ == "__main__": unittest.main() ```
2017-07-21T10:00:21.673414
Ruben
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I know you can use a `with` block in some other test packages, but to be honest this seems like a weird thing to be testing for
2017-07-21T10:04:21.814254
Gabriele
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You could probably use `self.assertIn("donation", item.__dict__)` or some similar abomination if you really want a one-liner
2017-07-21T10:06:22.885754
Gabriele
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<@Gabriele> Yeah it sounds weird, but actually the object under test is some kind of container giving both attribute and keyed lookup access to a set of properties, and I need to test whether the right exceptions are thrown during lookup of a nonexistent property.
2017-07-21T10:14:24.161608
Ruben
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Sounds like a bad idea to me. But if I had to write tests for it, I'd just use the __dict__ check directly. Or `hasattr`.
2017-07-21T10:16:49.245549
Gabriele
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<@Gabriele> Bad idea? You have a better idea? Thanks for the `hasattr` tip! This is what it's all about, the `Bunch` object: <https://github.com/motoom/bunch>
2017-07-21T10:20:30.373050
Ruben
pythondev_help_Ruben_2017-07-21T10:20:30.373050
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I think that is unnecessarily blurring the lines between a container and a type. If you don't know what attributes a type has, then you don't really know what interface it provides, which makes it a very awkward object to work with
2017-07-21T10:21:21.402618
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-07-21T10:21:21.402618
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<@Gabriele> I use it declutter my source code. Basically it is a `dict` like object where you don't have to type `["` and `"]` all the time. So I can write:```
2017-07-21T10:23:03.461371
Ruben
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```for r in bunched(recordset): # Where recordset is fetch_all() of DictCursor if r.salary &lt; 3000: print r.name, "could use a raise" ```
2017-07-21T10:24:36.514624
Ruben
pythondev_help_Ruben_2017-07-21T10:24:36.514624
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Psycopg2 has a `NamedTupleCursor`, which provides the same syntax.
2017-07-21T10:25:11.534439
Ruben
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In that case, at least the schema is documented elsewhere. But I don't like it.
2017-07-21T10:26:04.565260
Gabriele
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The alternative would be: ``` for r in recordset: if r["salary"] &lt; 3000: print r["name"], "could use a raise" ``` You prefer that?
2017-07-21T10:27:03.600478
Ruben
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Maybe
2017-07-21T10:27:49.627957
Gabriele
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I can work like that. You have a job for me? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
2017-07-21T10:28:08.639557
Ruben
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In the general case, yes. It's not exactly a great hardship. In a database context, it might be nice to have a type that directly reflects the DB schema - which is what we have ORM for
2017-07-21T10:28:32.653471
Gabriele
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btw, the `NamedTupleCursor` gets its attribute names from the fields behind the *SELECT*. I.e. `select name, salary from Employees` would result in *.name* and *.salary* attributes on the tuples in the resultset.
2017-07-21T10:29:33.689487
Ruben
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I just really dislike things that attempt to cut down on a bit of typing by ruining the interface. Several parsers do it, like BeautifulSoup. lxml.objectify is even worse
2017-07-21T10:30:25.720812
Gabriele
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I wouldn't call it ruining. It makes the code more readable to me. I prefer dot notation over index lookup with a string.
2017-07-21T10:31:34.762088
Ruben
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The dot notation and the index lookup carry different information. `x.y` implies that `y` _must_ exist. `x["y"]` implies that a value for "y" might exist, if someone added it earlier.
2017-07-21T10:33:07.816673
Gabriele
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Except xml node is not a container, but an object :confused:
2017-07-21T10:33:33.832134
Suellen
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Ah, we have a different view on that too. When I see `x["y"]` in code, I assume the programmer knows that an *y* value is present, or should be present (punishable by KeyError). When I see `x.get(y)`, then I know the programmer is trying to communicate to me that *y* perhaps does not exist in *x*.
2017-07-21T10:34:42.873174
Ruben
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it's an object that contains an arbitrary number of other objects
2017-07-21T10:34:57.881984
Gabriele
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<@Ruben> But the point is that you see it's a dict, and that the contents vary
2017-07-21T10:35:31.902663
Gabriele
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Obviously you can make assumptions if you know what's been added, but the syntax tells you the nature of the structure you're working with
2017-07-21T10:35:48.912684
Gabriele
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