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Yeah, just alcohol. | 6cd
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All right. When you stopped drinking, do you have any physical symptoms or anxiety any symptoms of withdrawal? | 5yq
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No. usually feel fine afterwards. I can go a few days without okay. | 9on
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Okay, so that's not a problem. All right. Jackie, open to Receiving counseling services or agency? | 7ack
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Yeah, let's see why it would hurt anything. I don't really need it but it was okay with trauma, | 8op
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I think okay, okay. All right. I'm gonna get you scheduled in to see a counselor. I want to thank you for telling me about what's going on for answering my questions. It's been helpful. | 2gt
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Yeah. Thank you. | 2gt
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So Charles, it sounds like things have been going pretty well recently, | 0id
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but they've been going better. Yeah, they have good I did call a friend. And we had lunch. I'd seen this guy in two or three years and it was good to see him when we contacted again and agreed we maybe have lunch. From time to time, that'd be good. And I got back in the kitchen, I made this pretty good soup. It's an asparagus potato soup that sounds very it's it's really good to chop up the asparagus and the potatoes and one small onion and boil them and then use a blender to give it a real nice texture, texture a little bit like split pea soup, sounds good without a split pea and so on. feeling some better. | 0id
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That's good. That's good. Charles, I'm proud of you for taking the initiative. Because I know it's been difficult in the past and you've really championed the things we've talked about, and I'm really proud of you for that. One thing you didn't mention was the woodworking shop that we've talked about in the past is that has that been? | 0id
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Well, that's still a mess. Okay, in fact, it's a it's a it's it's a big mess. It's such a mess that I really can't get in there and do any work. I haven't done that for some time. Okay. Every surface every why we got to work benches and | 6cd
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Kinda Okay, well as we've talked about in the past, it's really difficult to get started on some things that we've avoided for quite some time. So, like in the past, let's brainstorm. Try to figure out how we can get some some movement in the woodworking shops. That sound good. Sure. Okay, so so one thing we've discussed in the past, Charles is extremely important is what you're thinking about as you're going into the woodworking shop. So, what are your thoughts? When you are viewing or looking at the woodworking shop? What do you think? | 1irq
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Well, when I stand there in it, and I feel helpless, I mean it. It's hopeless, it seems to me that okay, just get it back in shape again. | 0id
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Okay, so let's explore that. So. So what's the evidence that it's hopeless to do some work in the woodworking shop? | 1irq
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Well, just the mess that it is. I mean, that how disorganized and | 0id
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Okay, so it sounds like you're saying then it's disorganized. And it's a mess. So how do you feel when you think about the woodworking shop that way? | 11orq
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hopeless, okay, I think just | 10od
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Okay. So it prevents you from actually getting things done is what you're saying? Yes. Okay. Which makes sense because if I thought about it that way to Charles, it would be hard for me to initiate any kind of action because if I view it as overwhelming, then I'm probably They're not gonna do anything, which makes sense. So, so what do you think is an alternative way to view the woodworking shop? That would actually be helpful? What's another way? | 1irq
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Well, if I could get one workbench cleaned off, okay, I would have some space to work on. | 0id
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Okay, that's a really good start. | 0id
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Well, I could make some things that I've been thinking about making for some time. Okay, I kind of have the plans in my head. Okay. I've thought about a medieval, kind of small medieval catapult for my grandson. And maybe Boomerang made out of really nice laminated wood, that would be cool. And so I could get one or both of those built, perhaps. | 0id
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Okay? And what would that lead to? If you get those things built? What would you have to do anything with those things? | 1irq
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Well, if I if I built those, I would have to get in the car and drive for hours today. Okay, my grandkids where my grandkids are and to give them the, the toys, okay, and show them how it works and have shown how to throw the boomerang. | 0id
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So it sounds like there's a lot of benefit then to clearing out a bench and moving tools which would lead to you getting things done, especially things that would involve your grandkids so you'd be able to see them and spend time with with them, you'd feel better about going to do that. But you'd also feel better about the woodworking shop in general that basically what you're saying would Yeah, okay, sure. But as we've talked about in the past, Charles, I know that it still takes steps to get there. Right? That wouldn't change overnight. So I think one useful strategies for you and I to work on a step by step plan that would get us to the place of you being able to drive for hours to see your grandkids. So how about we talked about the first step, which sounds like would be to just move things off one bench? Does that sound right? | 0id
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Yeah, that Yeah, one. | 7ack
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Though. | 3gc
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So let's talk about that. Then let's let's sketch out what each day would look like so that we won't won't feel overwhelmed like we did in the past. So let's talk about each day and how we would sketch out each day Does that sound good? | 5yq
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Sure. | 8op
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Jackie, how are you? | 2gt
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Okay, How are you? | 2gt
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thanks for asking. I see that you have signed a release so I could talk to your mother and that she brought you in today. What's What's going on there? | 0id
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They think I have a drinking problem. My family.. | 0id
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your family thinks show drinking problem. | 4crq
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Yeah. So we really started this was this past weekend. They came to pick me up for my bridal shower. And I was I was drunk when they came to get me so I couldn't go and now everybody's pretty pissed at me. | 8op
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So they asked you to come into the agency. | 4crq
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Yeah, you know, I don't want them to hate me or anything. So I agreed to come. | 6cd
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Do you believe that you have a drinking problem? | 5yq
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I mean, I like to drink. | 8op
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You think It's okay? | 5yq
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Yeah. I like I like it like drinking. | 8op
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Come on, you mind if I ask you a few questions related to drinking, | 5yq
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that's fine. | 8op
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So, how often do you drink now? | 1irq
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Pretty much every day. I drink every day on the weekends for sure. Like, during the week, I'll go to the whatever the best local happy hour is, you know, scope out what's going on. So I'll go after work and have some drinks. | 0id
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What about on the weekend? | 1irq
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weekend I gotta keep to myself. still drink a little whatever I have in the house, but I don't really go out a lot of weekend mostly to stay at home and yeah, drink whatever I have there. | 0id
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How much you're drinking, let's say on the weekend | 1irq
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it's hard to keep track of thing. Say a couple cases over maybe like two or three cases of beer throughout the weekend. If there's something on sale, you know, at the liquor store down the street, okay, I like a bottle of vodka or something to go along with it. | 0id
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All right, how about during the week? | 1irq
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during the week, I just stayed at the bar for a few hours maybe have like, six or seven drinks and then go home. | 0id
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Are you drinking More than you want to? | 5yq
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Um, I guess so. I mean, I've kind of tried to make a plan to just say on the weekends to drink some. And that hasn't really kept up because I like to go to the happy hours and stuff. | 8op
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So, so you've tried to cut down before? | 5yq
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yeah, it's not really happening. Not really see it happening. | 9on
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Do you have cravings for alcohol? | 5yq
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Um, you could say so yeah. I'm at work I want to drink and out doing stuff. I want to drink. | 8op
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So are you using exclusively alcohol or are there other drugs involved? | 1irq
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Right now just alcohol and all legal stuff . I was impatient. A couple times for cocaine, but I've stopped. That's not really something I want to do anymore. So | 0id
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when was the last time you're impatient? | 1irq
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About four months ago, five months ago, | 0id
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four or five months ago? And at that time you use cocaine. | 4crq
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Yeah. I was using | 8op
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And why did you stop using cocaine? | 1irq
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Well, I graduated from college, I was kind of a partier in college, and then I had to get a job and it's kind of now had a fear of losing my job because of the cocaine and I'd get a drug test and stuff. So that's kind of in the back of my mind with that. So yeah. I think that the treatment helped with that. | 0id
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You crave cocaine? | 5yq
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No, mostly just alcohol. Just | 9on
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how about Your work are you having a trouble keeping your job or your performance your job? | 5yq
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Um, I think I'm not doing tip top of what I could be doing but yeah, it hasn't really been a problem. I haven't been threatened to be fired or anything like that. But you know, I'll come in late every once in a while but I I sneak in so nobody notices | 9on
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any social problems because of the alcohol use? | 1irq
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Um, with my family kind of right now. Yeah. Not really getting along with them very well. My friends, though, when I go out them during the week where you get along fine, but they're just not really as fun as they used to be. So sometimes, yeah. Sometimes they want to do stuff and go to the movies or whatever. And the ello mad because I don't want to go I'd rather go party somewhere. So | 0id
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you have some social problems. Not so much with your friends a little bit but more with your family | 4crq
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more with my family. Yeah. I mean, I guess my friends aren't that happy with me but I don't think it's a huge deal. My best friend I haven't talked to in a couple days because she she is mad at me for not coming to dinner with her the other night because I look rather drunk and I want to do that. | 6cd
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Have you found that you're engaging in any activities are physically dangerous because of alcohol? | 5yq
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Um I've gotten hurt a couple times. I mean, fallen down the steps, but I'm not calling like, skydiving or anything, you know? So I did sprained my ankle a couple months ago because I fell on the steps but Okay. | 8op
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Do you find that you have any exacerbation of symptoms you have already? Like any medical or mental health problems made worse by the alcohol? | 5yq
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It's a pretty healthy. Yeah, yeah. | 0id
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So did you notice the point after you started drinking when you had to increase the amount that you're trying to get the same effect? | 5yq
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Oh, yeah. | 8op
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When did that happen? | 1irq
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I think I kind of go through phases with it, you know, I'll drink a certain amount for a little while and then I'll notice the I'm not drunk anymore, so I'll have to drink some more. | 0id
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When was the last time you noticed that when you had to drink a lot more to get the same effect. | 1irq
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Let's say like, last weekend, you know, I was Got a couple beers in my house and the few hours have passed and I drank probably like, and 12 beers and I wasn't feeling anything. So start drinking a little faster and let us start, you know, feel a little better. | 0id
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How about withdraw? Do you have any symptoms of withdrawal when you stop drinking? Like physical symptoms anxiety? | 1irq
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I mean, I want some more. For sure. craving | 0id
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Ok, Jackie, are you open to seeing a counselor here at the agency? | 5yq
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I think that's what my mom really wants. So, so maybe they'll try it out once or twice and see what happens but I guess to make her happy. | 8op
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So you are not sure what to try it out. Yeah. I'll get you scheduled to see a counselor. I want to thank you for telling me about what's going on and for answering my questions. It's been helpful. | 0id
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Yeah, sure. | 2gt
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Jason, I don't want to be here | 3gc
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Im here | 3gc
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you're good? | 5yq
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So I've been made to come in and talk to you. because something happened on the bus. And there I may have said something to somebody and they're just like, oh, you can't say that. So they actually said, we're going to take you to jail. from jail. They just called me here. | 0id
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Do you know what you're charged with? | 5yq
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They didn't explain anything. The government never explains anything. They just don't want me to understand what's going on because they just want to keep me out of captivity. | 9on
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The government. Do you have anyone specific? | 1irq
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nope, it's the entire government, entire government, higher government. | 0id
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How long have they been wanting to do this to you? | 1irq
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all my life. I've done this all my life. They they're always listening. They're always around. They're always there. | 0id
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always there? | 4crq
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always there. Like, for example, they're in the lights right now. They're listening to everything that we're talking about. So that's the reason why I really can't talk about what happened on the bus because they're just going to use that against and then it's locked me up again. I think we take more minutes. | 6cd
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