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But that's not what your mind is telling you. That's not what your thoughts are telling you. That's logical. And you can sit here with me. And it's not easy to say, but you can say, Yeah, I don't see a link.
11orq
Yeah, I don't see a link, but I know what I feel and what I feel is that impending doom, if you will.
10od
So let's talk about that moment. So in this moment, maybe a little anxious now, but you can kind of see how, right you can't protect yourself or cause harm to yourself or anyone else. By buying to or failing to buy to write in the store, or wherever you make the transaction, different story. So you have, let's, let's go a different direction. I talked about how you walk into a store, and you think, well, I get those the phone, right? And you end up getting something else. Yes, the anxiety then kind of goes away. And we'll come up the next time that happens. But it's a way it's gone for that moment. So, I want you to kind of stay with me as I go through another scenario. And you maybe have figured out what I'm going to do here, but
11orq
I need it in your scenario. Okay.
10od
So maybe GM isn't the ideal example but you see my right yeah. See, you go into the now you go to the store, you realize you only have enough resources to make the one transaction and you really want it so zero is not. So, now walk me through the thoughts and the feelings
1irq
what I would normally do or what I
4crq
would think would happen
6cd
I would panic. I mean not panic, like break down or something, but I mean it would be very, very stressful if I absolutely had to get that item. Um, I would probably try to scrape change out of my car, but I know we're not going there now. Yeah, no stay there. But um, I would be very, very difficult.
0id
Could you do it?
5yq
I'm physically capable of doing it. Okay.
8op
And that is one level of being able. But how about in terms of your thinking? And your feeling?
4crq
I could do it, I could do it. I could get through it.
6cd
And what would happen? How much anxiety with you experience and with the anxiety fade off?
1irq
It will fade off? I think. I mean, it would have to, I would imagine, so it would fade. I think it would take a longer period of time to fade than if I had just gotten even now seeing here, but even if I had just gotten another item, okay, the world is going to be safe for another five minutes. We're good. How much you're feeling right now? very anxious, right? Yeah.
0id
Are you worried is the kind of anxiety where you're worried that something catastrophic is gonna happen? Okay, so even talking about a transaction of one can lead to anxiety connected to this safety and security.
11orq
Yeah. Yeah.
10od
So you can you can trigger that without a transaction even pending.
5yq
Yeah. Yeah.
7ack
really scared sitting here.
5yq
Yeah. Yeah.
7ack
is unbearable the anxiety of men's embarrassment?
5yq
but does it hurt stuff?
4crq
Yeah, it's hurt me feel bad.
6cd
What do you feel is gonna happen with seeing xiety about
1irq
your scenario of having to having to get only one item or having only having the resources for one item and
0id
Okay, so it's not a safety and security. It's a it's a concern about going through and buying one item on the rule. Those two Yeah, yeah. And I'm talking about breaking the rule.
4crq
I know it's terrifying. This this this skin for you.
6cd
Because so you're anxious about that. And you're also anxious about the consequences of that.
11orq
Yeah.
10od
So the anxiety you're experiencing right now in this moment with me, I want you to be mindful that, guys keep that in your awareness and let me know if that changes. just interrupt me if you need to. It's not.
5yq
That's a transaction of one.
3gc
Yes, so I'll get something.
3gc
Okay, right. Yeah. understandable, but what if, what if I challenged you to behavioral Experiment. Okay, can you guess what that might be?
11orq
To buy one coffee? In scenario two,
10od
to buy one to buy one cup of coffee? And then I don't know where to buy the coffee, but leave? Yeah, wherever it is leave. So what are the possible things that could happen? Knowing that logically you can connect it to a safety thing, and you might be anxious about that. And that's real, that anxiety is real. But knowing that the event isn't prevented or caused by exactly the transacting behavior. Let's go through what happens. So you buy the coffee. You're really anxious. Right? up to it, you're anxious to go into driving there either.
4crq
I would have a lot more anxiety. But I would really have to talk myself through that.
6cd
Would it go away?
4crq
I believe it was the anxiety, I believe.
6cd
So it'd be more painful experience to buy the one.
5yq
Yes, yeah.
7ack
But it wouldn't actually harm you.
5yq
But it would cause you more internal anxiety.
4crq
Exactly.
6cd
So what would happen if you did again,
11orq
I would hope that it would be less anxiety. Could be, could be
10od
repeated 100 times.
11orq
It could be I would get old. I think the anxiety would get exhausted.
10od
So really, what you're doing is you're conditioning you'd be conditioning yourself right to, to to surviving just buying the one item. I have a lot more money financial advantages to it certainly. And there'd be a you know what I hope is a freedom advantage which is the freedom to buy any number of miners, the next so what what scenario of purchasing i know i i asked for the coffee example I mean I asked one thing you're going to buy the coffee, but what what scenario could you see yourself being most likely to fall through this? I don't know if the coffee is the optimal situation for that behavior experiment maybe I guess it would there be another item that would be easier to actually fall through like for example, the gasoline because you'd get your car by the gasoline and you leave. Yeah, that would be easier for you. You will be tempted by the other I
1irq
wouldn't have to walk through the coal to the store, right or to the, the door of the
0id
wood. That'd be easy. It'd be, you know, might be
11orq
That would be much easier. Okay.
10od
Okay. I feel more confident about that.
7ack
You feel like you could succeed with that. Yeah, experiment.
11orq
We'll see when we actually get there, but yes, I would like to. I feel like I could actually try that. More so than the coffee. So
10od
are you afraid with the coffee that you might just end up buying too? Okay.
5yq
Yes.
7ack
So how's your anxiety now?
1irq
I feel better than I don't have to just buy one cup of coffee.
0id
Okay, so that was a stressor.
3gc
But I feel it's it's miles. But but okay. But it was.
3gc
But mostly because the experiment that we're talking about somewhat easier
11orq
And because I think like the insight that you gave me on, I hadn't connected the safety security, I hadn't connected all the dots. So that was very helpful.
10od
So one of the we talked about before, what do I mag thoughts like adaptive responses, right. So as you're trying to kind of push through this experience of just feeling car, you're going to have those thoughts still come up. And the adaptive response could be something like, Well, I'd like you to design it or work with me and design it. But could be something like, I know this will actually have a consequence in the real world. Yeah, I realized this is just how responding internally doesn't take away the anxiety, necessarily. It might, but it will help you maybe get through that process. Yeah. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. There's a few things I'm asking you to do. Right. One is to just buy gasoline needed and only by gasoline. And at the same time when those thoughts come up to respond to them with the adaptive responses to compare the two.
3gc
Yeah, gotcha.
3gc
Yeah.
7ack
And maybe another adapter response would be, this is painful for me. But if I can be successful here, if I can get rid of things,
11orq
yeah. The longer term picture Yeah.
10od
And keeping your island moving up to coffee and other other behavioral goals. Like that. Yeah, that makes sense.
1irq
I like that a lot.
0id
So we're kind of attacking anxiety from a lot of different angles here. Okay?
5yq
Yeah.
7ack
So do you do believe that you can succeed with this idea?
5yq
Yeah. So well, that can be very Positive so that you know what I detected there was, you're ready to challenge the six idea. Right? Like, I would like to take the devil's courage. Yeah, yeah. So you're ready to say I've had enough. And you can see a clear path of behavior that can help you get through it and you're ready to take the anxiety on. That can be a positive adaptive response, right? Like being assertive and saying, almost like you're talking to the anxiety in a way okay, right, but I'm not gonna let you beat me this time. That's what you'd be saying to the anxiety.
11orq
I like that one. Yeah.
10od
So, make a note of all these right? And you can use the same one more than once. You can mix them up, whatever works for you. Okay, but keep applying them as needed through the whole process into your home, your is your no more risk to go by. It's great. Yeah. Cuz it because I think once you get home really, that's, that's the completion of only participating that one transaction right, you've left and go back to restarting the cycle. So right. you've, you've permanently recorded just buying the one thing. Yeah, so that's a victory. Yeah. That'd be a huge victory. So I don't know if you know the status of your gas tank right now. Do you foresee needing to get gas between now and next week?
4crq
Oh, yeah, you do? need to do that. Yeah.
6cd
Okay
7ack
Okay. All right. Thanks.
2gt
Do you have on your presentation? Do you have so many? Like bullet points you want to cover? Like,
1irq
yeah, okay, like an outline sort of thing.
0id
Okay. Would it help to time the deep breathing with reviewing each one of those bullet points?
11orq
We never thought about that.
10od
I don't know how many bullet points you'd have in a presentation. Maybe you'd have 10 or 20. Yeah, depending on how long right so maybe you as you start to review a certain bullet point As you're trying to get it into your memory and think about it, you breathe in really deeply. And then as you continue on, you just let out that breath really slowly,
0id
like a rhythm sort of, huh? Yeah. Can you go and do the same thing?
1irq
I thought about it that way. I'm just thinking it'd be some way to structure. So you would, you would get in so many breaths,
0id
something I wouldn't forget. Yeah.
0id
Yeah, something that kind of becomes a habit. Okay. Just make sure you keep your bullet points of length. About a few paragraphs. Yeah. But just just a few seconds each. So you can get a good deep breath and, or you could, you know, if you did have a longer bullet point, you could have obviously, several breaths, but just some rhythm that you could kind of grab on to something concrete. Yeah. Because I know that. In that moment, things are probably like you mentioned zoning out and right It becomes very easy to lose your anchors.
0id
Yeah, exactly. And just get really foggy, almost dizzy.
7ack
Yeah, so if you can remember, you know, for a particular bullet point that you want to take three deep breaths. And that might be something you can really have one too. Yeah. And would we kind of cut through that fogginess something could still do. Okay. When's the next presentation in that class that's coming up?
1irq
The next one, I believe is next Friday.
0id
Is that the next presentation you have? Like in all the classes is the one
5yq
Yeah. .
8op
Okay. And that's next Friday. Mm hmm. Do you know where you are in the order? Like for presenting?
1irq
Um, I think I'm actually third in this one.
0id
not first. And this one's how many minutes
1irq
I'm like 15 or so.
0id
Okay, it's a little shorter than 20 minutes. So you have about a half hour, maybe a little more, if there's time to switch out of kind of sitting there, right. And potential time where you could be anxious. Yes, but also potential time and you could be reviewing the notes your bullet points and breathing.
0id
Yeah.
7ack
And saying to yourself, that's so like, kind of self talk, that they're not really paying attention to me anyway. Right. Right. Because that might help reduce that. That anxiety. Yeah. What's one thing you could say to yourself when you're up there?
1irq
I guess I could say that, you know, in general, I do pretty well. You know, one bad grade as in going to war. Make me doesn't mean that I don't deserve to be here.
0id