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But that's not what your mind is telling you. That's not what your thoughts are telling you. That's logical. And you can sit here with me. And it's not easy to say, but you can say, Yeah, I don't see a link. | 11orq
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Yeah, I don't see a link, but I know what I feel and what I feel is that impending doom, if you will. | 10od
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So let's talk about that moment. So in this moment, maybe a little anxious now, but you can kind of see how, right you can't protect yourself or cause harm to yourself or anyone else. By buying to or failing to buy to write in the store, or wherever you make the transaction, different story. So you have, let's, let's go a different direction. I talked about how you walk into a store, and you think, well, I get those the phone, right? And you end up getting something else. Yes, the anxiety then kind of goes away. And we'll come up the next time that happens. But it's a way it's gone for that moment. So, I want you to kind of stay with me as I go through another scenario. And you maybe have figured out what I'm going to do here, but | 11orq
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I need it in your scenario. Okay. | 10od
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So maybe GM isn't the ideal example but you see my right yeah. See, you go into the now you go to the store, you realize you only have enough resources to make the one transaction and you really want it so zero is not. So, now walk me through the thoughts and the feelings | 1irq
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what I would normally do or what I | 4crq
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would think would happen | 6cd
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I would panic. I mean not panic, like break down or something, but I mean it would be very, very stressful if I absolutely had to get that item. Um, I would probably try to scrape change out of my car, but I know we're not going there now. Yeah, no stay there. But um, I would be very, very difficult. | 0id
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Could you do it? | 5yq
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I'm physically capable of doing it. Okay. | 8op
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And that is one level of being able. But how about in terms of your thinking? And your feeling? | 4crq
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I could do it, I could do it. I could get through it. | 6cd
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And what would happen? How much anxiety with you experience and with the anxiety fade off? | 1irq
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It will fade off? I think. I mean, it would have to, I would imagine, so it would fade. I think it would take a longer period of time to fade than if I had just gotten even now seeing here, but even if I had just gotten another item, okay, the world is going to be safe for another five minutes. We're good. How much you're feeling right now? very anxious, right? Yeah. | 0id
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Are you worried is the kind of anxiety where you're worried that something catastrophic is gonna happen? Okay, so even talking about a transaction of one can lead to anxiety connected to this safety and security. | 11orq
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Yeah. Yeah. | 10od
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So you can you can trigger that without a transaction even pending. | 5yq
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Yeah. Yeah. | 7ack
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really scared sitting here. | 5yq
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Yeah. Yeah. | 7ack
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is unbearable the anxiety of men's embarrassment? | 5yq
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but does it hurt stuff? | 4crq
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Yeah, it's hurt me feel bad. | 6cd
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What do you feel is gonna happen with seeing xiety about | 1irq
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your scenario of having to having to get only one item or having only having the resources for one item and | 0id
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Okay, so it's not a safety and security. It's a it's a concern about going through and buying one item on the rule. Those two Yeah, yeah. And I'm talking about breaking the rule. | 4crq
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I know it's terrifying. This this this skin for you. | 6cd
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Because so you're anxious about that. And you're also anxious about the consequences of that. | 11orq
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Yeah. | 10od
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So the anxiety you're experiencing right now in this moment with me, I want you to be mindful that, guys keep that in your awareness and let me know if that changes. just interrupt me if you need to. It's not. | 5yq
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That's a transaction of one. | 3gc
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Yes, so I'll get something. | 3gc
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Okay, right. Yeah. understandable, but what if, what if I challenged you to behavioral Experiment. Okay, can you guess what that might be? | 11orq
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To buy one coffee? In scenario two, | 10od
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to buy one to buy one cup of coffee? And then I don't know where to buy the coffee, but leave? Yeah, wherever it is leave. So what are the possible things that could happen? Knowing that logically you can connect it to a safety thing, and you might be anxious about that. And that's real, that anxiety is real. But knowing that the event isn't prevented or caused by exactly the transacting behavior. Let's go through what happens. So you buy the coffee. You're really anxious. Right? up to it, you're anxious to go into driving there either. | 4crq
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I would have a lot more anxiety. But I would really have to talk myself through that. | 6cd
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Would it go away? | 4crq
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I believe it was the anxiety, I believe. | 6cd
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So it'd be more painful experience to buy the one. | 5yq
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Yes, yeah. | 7ack
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But it wouldn't actually harm you. | 5yq
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But it would cause you more internal anxiety. | 4crq
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Exactly. | 6cd
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So what would happen if you did again, | 11orq
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I would hope that it would be less anxiety. Could be, could be | 10od
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repeated 100 times. | 11orq
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It could be I would get old. I think the anxiety would get exhausted. | 10od
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So really, what you're doing is you're conditioning you'd be conditioning yourself right to, to to surviving just buying the one item. I have a lot more money financial advantages to it certainly. And there'd be a you know what I hope is a freedom advantage which is the freedom to buy any number of miners, the next so what what scenario of purchasing i know i i asked for the coffee example I mean I asked one thing you're going to buy the coffee, but what what scenario could you see yourself being most likely to fall through this? I don't know if the coffee is the optimal situation for that behavior experiment maybe I guess it would there be another item that would be easier to actually fall through like for example, the gasoline because you'd get your car by the gasoline and you leave. Yeah, that would be easier for you. You will be tempted by the other I | 1irq
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wouldn't have to walk through the coal to the store, right or to the, the door of the | 0id
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wood. That'd be easy. It'd be, you know, might be | 11orq
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That would be much easier. Okay. | 10od
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Okay. I feel more confident about that. | 7ack
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You feel like you could succeed with that. Yeah, experiment. | 11orq
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We'll see when we actually get there, but yes, I would like to. I feel like I could actually try that. More so than the coffee. So | 10od
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are you afraid with the coffee that you might just end up buying too? Okay. | 5yq
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Yes. | 7ack
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So how's your anxiety now? | 1irq
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I feel better than I don't have to just buy one cup of coffee. | 0id
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Okay, so that was a stressor. | 3gc
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But I feel it's it's miles. But but okay. But it was. | 3gc
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But mostly because the experiment that we're talking about somewhat easier | 11orq
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And because I think like the insight that you gave me on, I hadn't connected the safety security, I hadn't connected all the dots. So that was very helpful. | 10od
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So one of the we talked about before, what do I mag thoughts like adaptive responses, right. So as you're trying to kind of push through this experience of just feeling car, you're going to have those thoughts still come up. And the adaptive response could be something like, Well, I'd like you to design it or work with me and design it. But could be something like, I know this will actually have a consequence in the real world. Yeah, I realized this is just how responding internally doesn't take away the anxiety, necessarily. It might, but it will help you maybe get through that process. Yeah. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. There's a few things I'm asking you to do. Right. One is to just buy gasoline needed and only by gasoline. And at the same time when those thoughts come up to respond to them with the adaptive responses to compare the two. | 3gc
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Yeah, gotcha. | 3gc
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Yeah. | 7ack
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And maybe another adapter response would be, this is painful for me. But if I can be successful here, if I can get rid of things, | 11orq
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yeah. The longer term picture Yeah. | 10od
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And keeping your island moving up to coffee and other other behavioral goals. Like that. Yeah, that makes sense. | 1irq
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I like that a lot. | 0id
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So we're kind of attacking anxiety from a lot of different angles here. Okay? | 5yq
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Yeah. | 7ack
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So do you do believe that you can succeed with this idea? | 5yq
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Yeah. So well, that can be very Positive so that you know what I detected there was, you're ready to challenge the six idea. Right? Like, I would like to take the devil's courage. Yeah, yeah. So you're ready to say I've had enough. And you can see a clear path of behavior that can help you get through it and you're ready to take the anxiety on. That can be a positive adaptive response, right? Like being assertive and saying, almost like you're talking to the anxiety in a way okay, right, but I'm not gonna let you beat me this time. That's what you'd be saying to the anxiety. | 11orq
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I like that one. Yeah. | 10od
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So, make a note of all these right? And you can use the same one more than once. You can mix them up, whatever works for you. Okay, but keep applying them as needed through the whole process into your home, your is your no more risk to go by. It's great. Yeah. Cuz it because I think once you get home really, that's, that's the completion of only participating that one transaction right, you've left and go back to restarting the cycle. So right. you've, you've permanently recorded just buying the one thing. Yeah, so that's a victory. Yeah. That'd be a huge victory. So I don't know if you know the status of your gas tank right now. Do you foresee needing to get gas between now and next week? | 4crq
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Oh, yeah, you do? need to do that. Yeah. | 6cd
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Okay | 7ack
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Okay. All right. Thanks. | 2gt
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Do you have on your presentation? Do you have so many? Like bullet points you want to cover? Like, | 1irq
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yeah, okay, like an outline sort of thing. | 0id
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Okay. Would it help to time the deep breathing with reviewing each one of those bullet points? | 11orq
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We never thought about that. | 10od
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I don't know how many bullet points you'd have in a presentation. Maybe you'd have 10 or 20. Yeah, depending on how long right so maybe you as you start to review a certain bullet point As you're trying to get it into your memory and think about it, you breathe in really deeply. And then as you continue on, you just let out that breath really slowly, | 0id
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like a rhythm sort of, huh? Yeah. Can you go and do the same thing? | 1irq
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I thought about it that way. I'm just thinking it'd be some way to structure. So you would, you would get in so many breaths, | 0id
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something I wouldn't forget. Yeah. | 0id
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Yeah, something that kind of becomes a habit. Okay. Just make sure you keep your bullet points of length. About a few paragraphs. Yeah. But just just a few seconds each. So you can get a good deep breath and, or you could, you know, if you did have a longer bullet point, you could have obviously, several breaths, but just some rhythm that you could kind of grab on to something concrete. Yeah. Because I know that. In that moment, things are probably like you mentioned zoning out and right It becomes very easy to lose your anchors. | 0id
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Yeah, exactly. And just get really foggy, almost dizzy. | 7ack
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Yeah, so if you can remember, you know, for a particular bullet point that you want to take three deep breaths. And that might be something you can really have one too. Yeah. And would we kind of cut through that fogginess something could still do. Okay. When's the next presentation in that class that's coming up? | 1irq
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The next one, I believe is next Friday. | 0id
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Is that the next presentation you have? Like in all the classes is the one | 5yq
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Yeah. . | 8op
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Okay. And that's next Friday. Mm hmm. Do you know where you are in the order? Like for presenting? | 1irq
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Um, I think I'm actually third in this one. | 0id
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not first. And this one's how many minutes | 1irq
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I'm like 15 or so. | 0id
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Okay, it's a little shorter than 20 minutes. So you have about a half hour, maybe a little more, if there's time to switch out of kind of sitting there, right. And potential time where you could be anxious. Yes, but also potential time and you could be reviewing the notes your bullet points and breathing. | 0id
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Yeah. | 7ack
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And saying to yourself, that's so like, kind of self talk, that they're not really paying attention to me anyway. Right. Right. Because that might help reduce that. That anxiety. Yeah. What's one thing you could say to yourself when you're up there? | 1irq
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I guess I could say that, you know, in general, I do pretty well. You know, one bad grade as in going to war. Make me doesn't mean that I don't deserve to be here. | 0id
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