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Well, I would, I would enjoy the company. Okay, and wouldn't be as lonely I suppose.
0id
Okay, that sounds great. So sounds like one benefit would be you'd enjoy the company. Yeah. And you wouldn't be as lonely. So I'd write that down. Okay, good.
7ack
Company company and said not as lonely not only. That's good, okay.
0id
Okay, can you think of the downside to potentially doing that?
1irq
Well, one downside might be that he wouldn't be interested in having lunch with me. I haven't been a whole lot of fun lately. And, or he might be busy and might not not might not be able to have lunch.
0id
Okay, or
7ack
he might want to talk about what's going on in my life and I'm ready We don't want to talk about that let somebody talk about it with you course. Okay.
0id
So it sounds like the most practical one of those would be that he may be busy.
0id
Right? That could be the downside. Is that right? Okay. might not be able to come. Sure.
5yq
Okay. So I'd write that is a great job Charles with the top two boxes with the first decision. So let's move to the second decision, which would be to stay the same and there's some benefit to that and there's some cost to that as well. Sure. Okay, Charles, so we completed the worksheet. So what's your overall impression about the benefits of changing versus the cons and staying the same?
0id
Well, it makes sure that the, the benefits outweigh the cons. If, if I make the change if I don't make the change I'll be doing just what I've been doing and I'll be getting up wondering, what's the point? And well still be lonely. And
0id
Those are good observations, Charles. So, which activity doesn't make the most sense to try for homework this week?
5yq
Well, I call somebody I think, Okay.
7ack
Okay, that's a good observation. So, let's say for homework, then you tried to call someone to get together with a friend. And how about also trying to complete a full day of the activity schedule, and completing both the mastery and the pleasure ratings? What do you think about that?
11orq
Sure. Okay.
10od
Okay. And if it gets Difficult, which again, that's pretty normal for that to take place. If it gets hard, we can talk about it next time and we can problem solve together and figure out how to remove those barriers. Does that sound good?
5yq
Sure. Okay, okay.
8op
How are you doing today?
2gt
Good.
2gt
What's been going on?
1irq
Been a little anxious about a shopping habit that I have
0id
Yes, Well, I have to buy everything in pairs or in twos. And if I only have one thing I won't buy it I'll put it back or I'll look around the store for another thing so that I have two things to buy.Y
0id
So when you go into store, if you just have one thing you want to buy one item you went there for you will buy a second item or even more just Second,
1irq
sometimes it can be more as long as it's reached the minimum of two.
0id
So you have to leave having purchased a minimum of two, right? Or if you can't find something else, you won't buy it at all. Exactly. So So zero would also be acceptable.
11orq
Zero would be acceptable.
10od
But one,
11orq
no, no, no, I can't do just one guy can't do one. Okay. Now, it's got to be two or more.
10od
And what happens that has ever been the occasion where you've only purchased one thing?
1irq
I can't really remember one. I'm sure there has been but I can't really remember one.
0id
So for all this period of time, you have successfully either purchase nothing, or two or more items.
11orq
Oh, yeah. I have to it's very anxiety producing if I don't know
10od
how anxiety producing
1irq
it, I just feel like something bad will happen. If I don't keep it to two or more.
0id
You know, what would happen? give a specific.
1irq
Well, for example, like my family would be in a car accident, or I would hit deer or you know, get fired from my job.
0id
So something really, really bad will happen. This is hurtful for you. This is causing you pain.
5yq
Yes.
7ack
And this would happen. This would really happen on any shopping trip where you just want one thing you'd be reminded, so if you went in wanting more than one thing, it's not a problem, right?
1irq
It's if I only really need one thing And then I can't just buy that one thing that I need.
0id
Alright, so how often does this happen? Where you are in a situation where you want to make a purchase of just one item? And you have to you have to change because the anxiety
1irq
daily,
0id
daily?
5yq
I would like fill up your car gasoline.
3gc
Oh then oh bipac accom.
3gc
So it has an effect that level two.
5yq
Yeah.
7ack
So you're thinking it almost like the number of transactions has to be more than one. I mean, it has to be two or zero.
1irq
Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. No. Or vitamins or number of transactions? Yeah. Because see if I get gas, then I have the gas in my car. That's the thing.
0id
NO
7ack
So it doesn't matter that there's more than one gallon going in, is because it's the same product.
5yq
Exactly. Yes.
7ack
So I could see now this, this would be more of a daily thing. You said, Right. Yeah. Because at first I was thinking daily. That's a lot of individual shopping trips, but it applies to all transaction.
1irq
Exactly. Yeah. I did really realize that that way. But it does. Yeah. Yeah.
0id
So this is a fairly significant source of anxiety for you.
1irq
Yes, it is. It does. Pr I get, you know, like, builds up in me and I feel it.
0id
Right
7ack
So you go in, you have any thoughts? Now we talked in the past about automatic thoughts, these thoughts just kind of come in, right. So are there any thoughts in there happening when you're walking into the store?
1irq
Yeah, I start. I start with what do I need? Why am I here? You know, I need a pack of gum. And then it's instant anxiety that what else am I gonna get? What else can I get to make it the two?
0id
All right. So the thought is What else can I get? Yeah, like this one, the past will be two has to be two. It has to be two. That's not that's Yeah. So that's also possible more demanding. Yeah. So it has to be.
11orq
Yeah. So I guess the first thought is what else? What else do I have to get? Yeah. And then so jumps right
10od
to the anxiety. So is the anxiety
1irq
It starts going down. Okay,
0id
so it's really gradually
5yq
Yes, but it is really it is really Yes. Once it completely gone. When I'm done that
8op
Alright, so you so really the the worst anxiety would be approaching the store entering in that moment of uncertainty. When you don't know the second Yeah,
5yq
absolutely. All right.
7ack
Okay. So if you could relieve that anxiety, that would be one of your goals.
5yq
That would be fantastic. Fantastic.
8op
All right. So let's think about this way. Do you? Do you know the reason that you do this? You have any guesses?
11orq
I would guess that. I mean, we've talked about you my dad had some bad experiences I had I sound awful. Yeah, they've, they were difficult. So I wonder if that's not somehow linked to this behavior somehow. Being impossibly
10od
Alright. So you've been through some really tough times to put it mildly. And what You're afraid of if you only buy the one item? Is something safety related happening?
1irq
Yes. Yes. Like the car accident or the Yes. Safety. Definitely my personal safety or my family's safety.
0id
And I guess security like the
1irq
security Yeah. And yeah, security.
0id
So safety and security. They're at risk for you.
5yq
Yes.
7ack
When you don't follow this role, the rule and I will Yeah. So if we think about it in terms of the cognitive model, we talked about the core beliefs and the intermediate beliefs, which are the attitudes and assumptions expectations, so the core belief here the only thoughts when it might be
11orq
well, now that you said that, or you know, pointed out those safety security issues, I didn't really realize that but it is. Maybe that just that I'm not okay, I'm not
10od
I'm not okay. I'm not safe. I am vulnerable,
1irq
vulnerable. Yeah, I'm vulnerable. Am I an exposed? exposed to danger to?
0id
Sure at risk? Yeah.
1irq
That's my rule.
0id
And then when a situation presents itself, which would be an impending transaction. That's the situation we talked about how the situation blends together. With that, in this case rule that intermediate. So when they come together, what's that automatic thought?
1irq
When the situation and
0id
trends potential transactions approaching you, and you handed me a belief I need to buy everything
1irq
in tears. What else am I getting in?
0id
And then what's the behavior? That is a product of that automatic thought of I do you buy the second item? Yeah. And the feeling is the feeling of falls.
1irq
that follows that purchase of
0id
well, the follows on Mac thought, oh, anxiety, anxiety, and then what's the feeling that follows the purchase? Yeah. Relief relief. Alright. So can you see how the mechanism what's happening to you could be explained one explanation through through the cognitive load
11orq
there much it didn't sit very well.
10od
Alright. So let's talk about the rule of the Rule of Two. Now we, we, we talked before, we're talking about cognitive therapy, about useful and less than useful thoughts, right? functional and less functional or dysfunctional. thoughts. Do you think that sitting here now, not so much necessarily in the store? I know that's probably a different thought process. But talking with me now, do you see a causal connection between purchasing two items and a safety or security breach?
1irq
Yeah. I mean, there's no I recognize you recognize your Work and stuff that it's not. It doesn't make sense. It's not a useful, a useful thought maybe
0id
it's not a useful in this case thought munei useful intermediate belief.
11orq
Yeah, yeah.
10od
So you recognize that you appreciate that. There is not a link between Elio purchasing here. And in either direction, though, right meaning, so you realize that, that if you buy to, this doesn't necessarily keep you safe either. So you can't introduce safety or the process of risk of being unsafe, you can't introduce risk or safety through your transacting behavior.
1irq
That's very true. Yeah.
0id
Does that make sense?
5yq
So do overs or rest are not influenced by your behavior.
5yq
Yeah.
7ack