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77igek | EAP 1st feature release | Potential release of auto lane change? [EAP 1st feature](https: twitter.com Model3Owners status 921132995871834112) Let s keep everyone posted here. I don t have the latest firmware so can t confirm. I figured it d be nice to have a single thread for everyone to report their experiences. Most likely a limited rollout right now but maybe it ll ramp up quickly. Edit: [Another report](https: twitter.com Model3Owners status 921351589817860101) | _drew_p_ | 2017-10-20 00:03:01 | 78 | dom3kht | Look s like auto-wipers are an FSD feature. | Cubicbill1 | 2017-10-20 00:08:35 | 93 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8t0sr5 | EAP Hard BRAKE for Train crossing overpass! | Last night on the way home (sorry no video) I got the much rumoured hard brake . The braking took place on a two lane road that has a railway track that crosses over top of it. I have driven the road many times before with EAP but never had the hard braking that so many talk about. Anyways unsure if the train triggered it or the bridge. Just be aware and keep the hands on the wheel. Kinda lucky that nobody was tailgating me at the time. Cheers. | mitchmarnershands | 2018-06-22 12:04:16 | 34 | e13uy66 | People worried about this issue and people worried about the issue where AP doesn t stop for stationary objects need to realize that they appear to be two sides of the same coin. The radar detects tons of stationary objects (overpasses gore points stopped cars signs jersey walls debris on the road) but AP does not currently have the intelligence to reliably discriminate between obstacles and ignorable road scenery. If they cranked up the detection confidence threshold we d get way fewer false panic stops but the car would *almost never* stop when warranted. Go the other way and we would be getting rear-ended by constantly panic stopping for every overpass and soda can. What is needed I think is much smarter sensor fusion where the car correlates radar data with camera images and uses its neural networks to confirm whether the object detected is a threat or not. This combined with another announced future AP feature (slowing down when less confident) should result in a much smoother and more trustworthy AP experience. Until then I believe both these issues will persist. | monitron | 2018-06-22 13:36:05 | 12 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
acba8h | EAP Price After Delivery | Has anyone been successful recently in getting the EAP at $6k as it was stated when you originally purchased the car? I took delivery of my Model 3 back in June 18 and it was $6k then and didn t mention subject to change. Now it s $7k. I thought I ve heard of people being successful in getting it for $6k now but the sales people I ve spoken to seem to think otherwise. & #x200B Update: I was successful after calling and asking for the 30 day trial. The trial was pushed to my car 2 days later. | AZ3otrope | 2019-01-03 22:48:03 | 14 | ed6mgit | If you want to buy it now save yourself the hassle and wait for the trial and then buy it for $5 500. | mjezzi | 2019-01-03 22:56:07 | 10 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
nn0aza | EAP on HW 2.5 vs. FSD - brief experience & impressions | Earlier this week I took my Aug. 2018 Model 3 to the local Tesla Service Center for a minor body repair (someone backed into me). They provided me with a 2020 Model Y as a loaner. My 3 is a long range dual motor non-performance with Enhanced Autopilot (EAP) and the Ver. 2.5 computer. The loaner Y was also long range dual motor non-performance but came with Full Self Driving (FSD). Both vehicles were on 2021.4.18. Not that it matters but the loaner Y was limited to Chill mode with a max speed of 85 mph and PIN-to-drive. Due to backlog delays at the Service Center I ended up keeping the loaner overnight. I live ~75 miles from the Service Center so I had the opportunity to compare the performance features of EAP on HW 2.5 vs. FSD on roads I m quite familiar with and on the same back-to-back days. It s mostly 4-lane divided highway but some 2-lane highway and some in-town driving as well. Obviously it s not perfectly apples-to-apples since they are different models but I felt like it was still a good comparison. Here are my impressions on FSD features functionality compared to EAP: - **Speed Limit recognition (FSD)** would be really nice to have. One section of my route was recently increased to 65 mph from 55 mph. FSD handled it perfectly EAP still shows it as 55 (as expected). In that specific scenario it s not that big of a deal but there are other two-lane highways near me which have changed from 55 to 60. In those cases EAP believes the speed limit is still 55 and limits my total speed to 60. I expect FSD would recognize the new (higher) speed limit and let me go 63 or 64 (pace of traffic). While there are clearly challenges with vision-based speed limit recognition this feels like a step forward from my EAP map-data functionality. - *Is there any chance this could be included for legacy EAP vehicles at some point in the future or is HW 2.5 just not up to the challenge?* - **Stop Light Stop Sign recognition (FSD)** is pretty cool but not super useful for my typical day-to-day drives. I could see others benefitting from this greatly especially for highway drives with stop lights. The Green Light chime is a nice little addition even for in-town driving. Stop sign recognition seems less immediately useful but clearly shows critical functionality for more automated city driving in the future. - **Turn lane recognition (FSD)** *appeared* to improve lane-keeping performance. One part of my drive is on a 2-lane highway with many turn lanes and small bypass bump-outs (to go around left-turning vehicles when there aren t turn lanes). My EAP experience on this stretch almost always involves at least 1 Take Over Immediately! alert and some false-starts where my 3 drifts a bit toward into the turn lane before realizing the error of its ways and re-centering on the driving lane. FSD *seemed* to perform better: I didn t get a Take Over Immediately! alert and the Y felt more stable confident staying within the driving lane. This was a clearly a small sample size (1 drive with FSD) so not definitive. I also realize the front-facing camera on the Y is higher than the 3 so that could definitely be a factor as well. - EAP includes lane changes (which I use daily but only when I signal not fully automated) auto-park (which I use occasionally) and regular smart summon (which I rarely never use). I didn t notice a difference between EAP & FSD for lane changes and I didn t use auto-park or summon. FSD would be a $5k upgrade for me. As nice as speed limit & stop light recognition would be I m not sure it s $5k nice . But I can definitely see where others would value those enhancements. Thoughts feedback from others who have EAP and considered experienced FSD? Any features that stood out for you? | branstad | 2021-05-28 15:28:04 | 28 | gzrumij | So I used to have a HW2.5 EAP car and now have HW3 with FSD. I think your analysis is pretty solid but I would honestly say some of the pros you ve listed such as speed recognition and traffic lights actually degrade the experience. The speed recognition more times than not will mistake the truck speed of 55 on highways for the actual speed limit which is super annoying. So you have to set your speed to 15 over just to cruise at 70. Traffic light recognition works but if you use it a few times it breaks so abruptly a couple hundred feet before the light. When I see a red light I start slowing down well in advance to try and recoup some efficiency. But you throw that out the window with traffic light recognition. It comes in full speed and then slams on the brake like 300-400 feet before the light. In addition it picks up other light fixtures that are either off or disabled and starts slowing for those too! It s really not worth using. | momo3605 | 2021-05-28 16:09:48 | 19 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8kj6jt | EAP on Model 3 suddenly slammed on brakes on the freeway even though there was 0 traffic | Here s where it happened (about 0.25-0.5 miles before it happened): https: www.google.com maps @34.0595277 -118.1754625 3a 75y 64.54h 86.69t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKMHTo9QxD1hqYcgswqFZ_Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 I had AP on with both hands on the wheel the entire time. Was on the right most lane. It was wide open with no traffic ahead of me. I was going 70-75mph. Apparently the freeway tilts slightly down so it s hard for AP to see the lanes. So after a few seconds of driving from that point in the Google Maps link AP SLAMMED on the brakes (even though there was no one ahead of me ). I ve noticed when driving on hills I d randomly get proximity beeps. Maybe it was the combination of not being able to see the lanes ahead and the proximity sensors raising false alarms. Is there a way to report this to Tesla so that they can address this? | komocode | 2018-05-19 05:04:18 | 103 | dz843ya | In every accident thread people wonder “why doesn t Autopilot just slam on the brakes whenever it s not sure of what it sees?” This would be why.... It s a careful balance between emergency braking enough vs not falsely braking. | chillaban | 2018-05-19 05:20:01 | 103 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
cp5ewm | EAP phantom breaking | I ve had my LR AWD model 3 since last September and I ve always had issues with EAP randomly slamming on the brakes. I gave up on trying to have the SC fix it because my system always comes back as normal with everything passing checks. But twice this week with no reason my car while on auto pilot absolutely mashed my brakes and would have stopped completely if I didn t take over and shut it off. When I over-road the braking by accelerating when I stopped accelerating the car continued to slam the brakes until I just took EAP off. I actually got whiplash from it. How can this be normal? What ticks me off is as an early buyer i paid for this feature and its never worked right. Don t get me wrong I still use it all the time but I don t trust it and it constantly has phantom braking problems. They just usually aren t as severe as the last two. Is this still normal? Is EAP still this unreliable? What is everyone else s experience? | fttmn | 2019-08-12 01:21:35 | 43 | ewnba5e | That s definitely more severe than most people have experienced. I get a phantom braking incident maybe once a month and it s maybe only a 10 mph drop. Most times that I have weird braking I can track it down to something such as merging cars it s following a car in another lane by accident it suspects a cut-in etc. | packet_whisperer | 2019-08-12 01:32:41 | 19 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
kh28tg | EAP upgrade to FSD | I saw they dropped the price to upgrade from EAP to FSD down to $5k. Is this permanent or a limited EOY Q promotion again? Was anything every official lunch announced this time? | PM_Me_ur_BassetHound | 2020-12-20 21:01:37 | 11 | ggj5e9n | Nobody knows. Tesla changes prices at will and we ve been through pricing changes for AP EAP FSD for years now. Buy it when you are willing to pay the listed price for the features that work today. That s about the only advice worth listening to. | drdabbles | 2020-12-20 23:37:50 | 22 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
azhkyi | EE on how the dual motor Model 3 feels more responsive than the single motor TM3 and that even the Leaf has an edge over the single motor Model 3 in one respect | An old-ish video but I ve been wanting to make a post on this for a while. The guy behind Engineering Explained at one point bought a single motor (mid-range) Tesla Model 3 and found it slightly lacking in the acceleration and responsiveness department so he upgraded to a dual motor (performance version) and found a noticeable improvement in the snappiness of the initial acceleration from a standstill (and at low speeds to a lesser extent) not just due to the obvious extra power that a T3P has but also due to the induction motor that s only available in the dual motor version. In the [video here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=XzspO4-T7t4& t=360) he states: > .....the unfortunate part is you lose that punchiness. So part of what I said in my Tesla Model 3 mid-range < single motor> review was that I was a little disappointed in the fact when you floor it you don t get that instant response that electric cars are < renowned for> ..... and part of why I believe that is is because of this reluctance motor and they re trying to avoid torque ripple. [Later in the same video](https: youtu.be XzspO4-T7t4?t=608) he then goes on to say that the induction motor in the 3P he now has is probably partly the cause behind the extra punch . I assume the non-P dual motor will also have this extra punch due to the fact it will also have an induction motor. It s interesting because back when he didn t have the 3P dual motor only the mid-range single motor he even commented in [this older video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=mfIjMxyg00o& t=674) how the car felt a little less snappy than the Leaf. I quote: > .....and even honestly the Leaf s response that I had long-term was a bit quicker but this certainly has more acceleration so once it hits that peak torque it s there..... | twinbee | 2019-03-10 16:52:04 | 13 | ei7sly4 | The LR RWD “single motor” has plenty of zip. It has its limits but I had no problems taking a BMW M3 off the line in my model 3 w stock tires. | toastdog30 | 2019-03-10 16:58:57 | 31 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
bvst44 | ELDA Malfunction (US) | Unlike the reports from Europe this one is just a bog standard American one from the California Bay Area no less. https: www.youtube.com watch?v=qJQwEX_TYrA& feature=youtu.be See 0:25 Nothing out of the ordinary in terms of driving. You can barely see the steer correction applied it was the same amount of force as regular autopilot. I see can see why some people panicked about it and overestimated the amount of force applied - it was very sudden and the car would beep at you for about 10 seconds. | Joking_Phantom | 2019-06-02 02:37:49 | 14 | epsgud5 | The false positive rate is way too high. And the alarm shouldn t go off at all. I had my first phantom brake today and the alarm didn t go off for that. ELDA shouldn t scare my passengers either. | MaxYoung | 2019-06-02 04:07:36 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
b7jk7x | ELI5 : Why regenerative brakes cannot stop the car to a complete halt? | Why regenerative brakes cannot stop the car to a complete halt? Is it software that switches to brakes for better driver control? Or it s the physics on how electric motors work and it s not enough energy to charge batteries at low speeds? Adding dummy characters to meet the minimum character requirements to post it on the subreddit | sseksaria | 2019-03-31 03:43:59 | 30 | ejs8p5i | (Very) basically the faster the parts of the motor are rotating past each other the more braking force they can create so as you approach zero relative motion you approach zero braking force. I m reasonably sure it *can* be done though (the Bolt has true one pedal driving although that may just be the computer engaging the friction brakes at the end) | MainsailMainsail | 2019-03-31 03:54:34 | 43 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
p59vwc | ELI5 Why do teslas use 400v instead of 800V like the Porsche EVs | Using 800V instead of 400V seems to make everything twice more powerful with the same wire size charging can be 2x faster. Or altenatively everything can be thinner for the same power output power wires within the car can be 2x thinner SC charging cables could be thinner etc... Why did Tesla settle for 400V and why is there not talk about upcoming models moving to 800V? It would seem that the upgrade seems as simple as doubling halving coils somewhere in the AC DC converter. It s probably more complicated than that ELI5 ? | Just-Tune-Master | 2021-08-16 05:37:46 | 144 | h96l319 | People are unfortunately science illiterate on this subject and they always revert to Bigger number equals better . There is more nuance to it than that. The only real advantage for using higher voltage is that the wiring that this voltage travels over can be thinner for the same amount of power due to lower current values. Thats pretty much it. And the negatives are that now you have 800V on your nodes which comes with its own set of technical problems. It doesn t have much to do with charging unless you have absolutely monstrous sized batteries. Do you know what limits the charging speed of a battery..... the cell. Each cell can range somewhere in the vicinity between 3.0V and 4.2V between empty and full (chemistry dependent). Even if you have a trilliion volt charger in the end you are charging thousands of cells up to around 4 volts. And each one of those cells on average charge at 1C which is why almost every EV no matter who builds it cannot beat the 1 hour 0% to 100% charge. Isn t dat veird? Buuuut briefly when the batteries are very low and not too hot and not too cold you can burst charge them at much higher C rates and it just so happens that going from like 10% to 80% is short enough to not be annoying for the traveler but gets you enough energy to drive until you need another bathroom break. So manufacturers are advertising and optimizing in that range. And nobody is really blowing anyone else out the water at the high end. They are all within a few minutes of each other. There won t be any significant gains in the 10% to 80% or 0% to 100% until there are some fundamental chemistry and form factor design changes. The 4680 cell has the possibility of making a significant advance in this area and its because the entire edge of the internal copper plate will be thermally coupled with the top of the cell. This allows heat to be wicked from the cell interior MUCH more effectively. Whats odd though is that I ve heard that they are still radially cooling the cells with the 4680 s which makes no sense because with them being thicker heat will be a BIGGER problem now. I thought I heard that in Elon s interview with Sandy Munroe but I can t recall so don t quote me. But even cooling radially resistive heat while charging should be reduced since the electron path is now much shorter with the tabless design. | JBStroodle | 2021-08-16 17:36:20 | 179 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
3tbtp9 | ELI5 Why how does it work with tax credits. Why there are still tax credit available for car like Toyota Prius which sold hundreds of thousands in USA? And people are scared that for Tesla credits will run out soon? | So according to [wikipedia](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Hybrid_electric_vehicles_in_the_United_States) Toyota sold already hundreds of thousands of Priuses. But on [their site](http: www.toyota.com prius-plug-in-hybrid #! features common-questions what-is-the-tax-incentive) it says the car is still available for tax credits. How is that possible? Isn t there some limit of 200 000 vehicles everyone is talking about in connection to Tesla? | marecko | 2015-11-18 18:54:56 | 11 | cx4tfxg | Because Toyota hasn t sold more than 200 000 [*qualifying* vehicles](https: www.fueleconomy.gov feg taxphevb.shtml) (ie plug-ins) yet. From its introduction in 2012 through this September Toyota sold [37 018 Prius PHVs](http: insideevs.com worldwide-toyota-prius-plug-in-sales-on-the-graphs ) in the US. | Perma_dude | 2015-11-18 19:14:08 | 13 | EV Tax Credit Impact |
5a3ewm | ELI5 how the Power wall helps utilities | Why would utilities charge batteries when they could be powering more houses? My understanding was that Kauai for example does not have enough solar capacity to power the entire island during the day so why not power more homes during the day than charge batteries to power a few homes at night | huma_huma | 2016-10-29 23:55:39 | 12 | d9df6aw | I think what he is asking is How can places like Kauai have too much solar. Why not send the extra solar to another house that is not yet receiving solar power. Well it all boils down to power plants can t exactly operate like light switches where you power them on and off whenever you want. There are some costs and downsides to transitioning a power plant from being off to being on. One of which is time. Unlike batteries it takes some time (usually minutes) for a power plant to spin up and put power on the grid. If a bunch of demand hits the grid and you don t respond to it in milliseconds you get brown outs and black outs. Not acceptable. To fix this problem the grid is more or less made up of [base load](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Base_load) power plants and [peaking](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Peaking_power_plant) power plants. Their names suggest kind of what they do. Base load power plants basically run all the time to cover the minimum expected draw. They are like freight trains. They are big heavy don t like stopping and don t like starting but they are great once they get going. The peaking power plants are much more agile and are designed to turn on and off based on demand. They are more expensive because of this. This is where the conflict with solar power comes in. Solar is really great at supplanting some of the peak power plant generation because it is typically used at high noon when everyone s A C is on and all the businesses are open. So the solution is easy.... turn off one of the peaking power plants. But what if you ve already turned off all the peak power plants.... but there is still more solar power on the grid to be had? You might say... well turn down the base load plant. This is not easy. That is not what it was designed for. It was designed to run at one speed very efficiently 365 days a year and 24 hours a day. Its just not as simple as turning down a dial. So you could wind up with TOO MUCH power on the grid and that will eventually destroy major grid components. To be fair the power industry claims this threshold will be hit WAY before its actually is because this revolution ultimately means less money for them. So they cry wolf way too early. But don t be fooled there is a wolf. And that wolf is the fact that base load plants are not agile like peaking plants. This is where batteries come in. Batteries are amazing because they can fix both problems. They can eat surplus power and provide peaking power. And they can do it instantaneously. Providing a buffer for the rest of the infrastructure. | JBStroodle | 2016-10-30 01:05:47 | 16 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
6stptw | ELI5 the difference and significance of the new NVIDIA chipset in AP 2.5 (or 2.1 ?) versus AP 2.0? | I don t know the NVIDIA context in this story and how it s easy to swap motherboards https: electrek.co 2017 08 09 tesla-autopilot-2-5-hardware-computer-autonomous-driving | Waiting_for_Model3 | 2017-08-10 14:38:09 | 28 | dlfmvkx | But Can It Run Crysis? | unbeat | 2017-08-10 17:03:58 | 18 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
bq3678 | ELI5 why radar isn t good at seeing statoonary objects? | I keep seeing this Radar is good at detecting moving objects but not stationary objects. It also has difficulty detecting objects like a vehicle crossing the road not moving in the car s direction of travel. In news articles. https: www.theverge.com 2019 5 17 18629214 tesla-autopilot-crash-death-josh-brown-jeremy-banner. Why can t radar detect stationary objects? Doesn t seem like this is true or maybe it s worded weird? | joeyisnotmyname | 2019-05-18 11:50:44 | 46 | eo0raat | Imagine painting *everything* in front with retro-reflective paint (ie. make everything look like a traffic sign). Now sitting in pitch darkness flash the brightest Atomic-bomb-like stage spotlight for a micro fraction of a second. Ooops. You are completely blinded *everything* reflected. Useless. And it hurt. Lets try again but keep those eyes tight-shut for a fraction of a second after the first blast so avoid the first shockwave of reflections and only get reflections from the stuff further way. Sort of worked now *only* 95% of the stuff reflected. Must be a better way. Up in the sky stuff (planets suns galaxies moons UFOs) has either red-shift (moving away) or blue-shift (moving closer): this is because the light gets stretched (moving away) or pushed together on itself (moving closer). This is the **[Doppler effect](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Doppler_effect)** it works for light (Radar) just as it works for a fire-engine or Ambulance going past. Higher-pitch getting closer lower-pitch going away. Same pitch when stationary *or maintaining the same speed as us*. Since we are sitting still we can ignore everything that is fixed pitch ie. stationary filter it all out. *Gone*. Now we can just listen for echos that are lower-pitch or higher-pitch. (Even if just by a tiny amount—it s enough to filter the noise). Now if we re moving then anything stationary (road bridges signs soft-drink cans … fire-trucks) is apparently moving towards us. Everything is a higher-pitch (high-frequency Radar return than we transmitted with our Atomic-bomb theatre flash light). Damn we re back to the first problem blinded by reflections all on the same frequency. Solution: ignore the frequency-shift **equal** to our speed of movement. Brilliant fantastic now we just have reflections from stuff that matters! Like cars driving in the lane ahead or the lane across. Now we can listen not only for frequency-shift (relative speed) but listen to the reflection delay (distance). Radar **is awesome**. Well except that we had to filter out the fire-trucks for it to be any use and not be blinded… but if we hadn t done that we d still be at the first stage and blinded. By Science. **TL DR ** Doppler. Ambulances. Filtering everything except the ones getting higher lower in frequency. ^(*edit*: typos) | paul-sladen | 2019-05-18 12:19:27 | 88 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8s507g | ELI5: As I await my 3 on pre-order. So many conversations recently about it being the best and worst Finacial choice they have made. | Tell me why I should and why I shouldn t by a 3 S. Thanks | Mazerlil | 2018-06-19 01:40:48 | 11 | e0wlr20 | Car is amazing. Car is an expensive depreciating asset. | TheKobayashiMoron | 2018-06-19 01:42:58 | 74 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4vdvsu | ELI5: Charging | In preparation for a new Tesla what does one exactly have to do to set up for charging? The popular answer seems to be to get a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed by an electrician and have them look over your houses power load to determine your box can provide enough juice. Is that it? Are all the necessary cords for charging provided with the car? I know it comes with some cables but what exactly do they do? If that is everything what is the purpose of the 500 dollar charger sold in the tesla.com shop? Is that mainly for looks? A buddy of mine who has a Model S has told me that he purposely only chargers his to 80 percent ever in the interest of extending battery life. Is this a car option or an option on this seemingly customizable wall charger? If you were in a colder area that received large amounts of snow half the year (Buffalo NY for example) would you feel comfortable installing your NEMA outlet outside or would inside of a garage be a very strong recommendation? In my set up in particular I could have a very cheap job if I had the outlet installed outside directly next to where my power box is. Running wire and an outlet to my detached garage could get costly. Recommendations? Thank you I m advance and I apologize if this is something I ve missed already. I m new to this Tesla business and reddit in general. The only reason I joined reddit was after my Model 3 reservation was placed so I could get as much Tesla news and information as possible. | coreh17 | 2016-07-30 20:40:45 | 45 | d5xkgke | The high power wall connector can charge at 80 amps (around 56-58 miles of range per hour Nema 14-50 does 40 amps at 28 miles of range per hour) if you have the high amperage charger option. The charging menu lets you limit how much the car charges. Tesla recommends that you charge it to 90% for every day use (they used to recommend 80%) and 100% for road trips. I personally don t feel the need for a high power wall connector but if you re somone that s on call it would be really helpful. I would feel most comfortable with the Nema 14-50 to be inside a garage but an electrician should be able to safely install it outside (at a higher price) | farhanorakzai | 2016-07-30 21:01:08 | 16 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
4diw4t | ELI5: The Charging Options for Tesla Drivers | I don t have any range anxiety and I ve read up a tonne on Tesla throughout the last while. However what adapters for road trips should the average Tesla owner carry? I keep hearing Level 1 2 3 etc. and stuff like CHAdeMO but that doesn t mean much to me. (I m in Canada but a global answer might be beneficial to others.) | TheKrs1 | 2016-04-05 22:32:34 | 23 | d1rfaee | here you go... http: i.imgur.com BdCX5NF.png The Model S uses 180 Wh km Rated and 170Wh km Ideal i use 150 Wh km during the summer some crazy hypermillers get down to 140 Wh km its best to just use a standardized unit of measurement and thats is the Watt the Model S contains a 70 or 90 kWh battery (used to be 60kWh & 85kWh) a NEMA 14-50 outlet which is the same outlet your electric oven plugs into provides 240v at 40A continuous 50A max breaker rating. in North america you are not allowed to draw the breaker rating continuously its 80% so 40A continuous. 240v × 40A = 9600W or 9.6kW in this case its easy just to round up to 10kW. if the 90kWh battery was 100% dead (which it will never be unless you are an idiot potato journalist from NYT) it will take 9 hours to charge. the math is very simple take your battery size divide it by power being provided and you have time left in hours. each outlet provides a different amount of power some are 120v (110v and 120v are actually the same its 120v at the transformer but after all that wiring in your house it has to go through it may drop down to 110v) and some are 240v. the Tesla does not care what you give it. now you hear about public EVSE (electric vehicle supply equipment) and the levels 1 2 3. * Level 1 = 120v AC (needs onboard charger) between 5 to 20 amps. the most common is 15amp but many new houses are now 20amp (instead of 2 parallel prongs 1 is rotated 90°) * Level 2 = 240v AC (needs onboard charger) between 5-100 amps. most common is 30 32A but many suncountryhighway chargers in canada are now 100A the tesla with dual onboard chargers being able to use 80A (nearly 20kW so a 90kWh battery will take 4.5 hours to charge from dead) * Level 3 = Direct DC to battery bypasses onboard chargers. Chademo is level 3 its more of a japanese format chademo means something about sitting around drinking tea or some shit. its generally 25kW rarely 50kW. the Tesla Level 3 is 120kW to 135kW and then you have CCS which is supposed to be 100kW but i have never seen one. the tesla charger will charge from dead in approx 1hr charging slows down as it gets near 80%. its like shoving food in your mouth when you are already full. Public EVSE are generally J1772 connectors (its just some name they made up) the tesla will COME with a J1772 to Tesla adapter. Chademo adapters are extra but worth it if you have lots of chademo stations and you need to travel. as far as adapters you can do it the normal way or the ghetto awesome way. normal way - your tesla will come with something called a UMC (universal mobile connector) on one end its the plug that goes into the tesla on the other end you have interchangeable ends so you can plug into common 120v outlets 240v outlets etc. ghetto awesome away - you keep the NEMA 14-50 end on your tesla at all times this will tell the cable to draw up to 40A with voltage it doesnt care about. then you make adapters on your own to go from ANY outlet to the NEMA 14-50. welders have NEMA 6-50 and ive made an adapter that works flawless also ive used a NEMA 6-20. the key with the ghetto awesome way is you must control the amperage with the software in the car or you will melt something. on some really good block heating outlets that are very close to the transformer you can pull an illegal load and be okay if it is cold outside like -20C. a block heater outlet is 120v @ 15A ive pulled 16A instead of 12A (80% of 20A is 16A and 15A is 12A) out of the outlet in -20C and the cable doesnt even get warm it charges the car MUCH faster. i dont recommend you do this though unless you are very familiar with electricity. | AC1K | 2016-04-05 23:47:02 | 37 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
5bmcxo | ELI5: What s the economic case for a powerwall for a consumer? | I recognize the economic value of batteries for the grid given how the cost of electricity changes according to time of day but this hourly variation doesn t get passed onto consumers. So why would a consumer own a powerwall other than just trying to be a good citizen? (Or for when there s power outages) | FlusteredNZ | 2016-11-07 14:16:51 | 25 | d9plf52 | In some places the variation is passed onto the customer. In oklahoma i pay $0.09 kwh at night and it can vary all the way up to $0.47 kwh during peak usage times. The power wall would let me buy energy at $0.09 and save it to use when the electric company was trying to charge me $0.47. | IHeartMyKitten | 2016-11-07 15:03:06 | 31 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
4h9wpi | ELI5: Why are states banning direct sales? | Hey guys Was having a convo with my father and this question came up. I honestly don t think I gave a sufficient answer and know you guys probably have good insight. And why are there middle man dealerships in the first place?? Tired of being ripped off haha. EDIT: Some great responses thanks guys! | FF5Ninja | 2016-05-01 16:41:29 | 40 | d2ok0ck | u joe714 gave a [very good ELI5](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 4h5zjz followup_tesla_direct_sales_bill_fails_in d2nw506) in the [CT thread.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 4h5zjz followup_tesla_direct_sales_bill_fails_in ): > Once upon a time manufacturers didn t want to deal with the local markets and didn t have the capital to roll out their own dealerships. They voluntarily ceded control of the market to local middlemen who then spent their own capital building up the brand in the local market and carrying inventory with contracts that guaranteed the manufacturer couldn t then just decide to cut them out once the market was established. It d be unfair for GM to come in and suddenly cut out the local dealer who spent millions getting the GM brand into the public s awareness. As time went on the middlemen got nervous the manufacturers would try to usurp them anyway eventually and got the manufacturer dealership relationship codified into law in addition to their existing contracts to guarantee a manufacturer upheld their end of the devil s bargain. > It actually would be unfair to just undo these laws now for existing dealer manufacturer relationships as the dealer still was the one who invested in the brand awareness. > The difference is a new startup like Tesla never made that deal in the first place and shouldn t be bound to a business model established decades ago by other parties. | EatMoarToads | 2016-05-01 16:46:56 | 53 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4vk9uj | ELI5: Why does the gigafactory need to be physically so large? | Does anyone have an estimate of what percentage of the floor plan would be for cell production vs pack assembly? Are there processes in cell production that are inherently slow thus requiring a ton of them running in parallel and a lot of square footage (and if so what are they)? To my naive mind it seems like pack production would be quick fast with robotic assembly so I don t get why Tesla needs so much room for the gigafactory. | donut_care | 2016-08-01 02:04:55 | 33 | d5z4jqs | So much room for activities | Kelmk | 2016-08-01 03:04:53 | 40 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
5mfnbd | ELI5: Why is energy capacity at the pack level measured in kWh (Watt-hours) but cell level at Ah (Amp-hours)? | Not an EE. Yes I get that Power in Watts = Voltage (V) * Current (Amps or A). So power over time (Energy) is Wh. Amp-hours (Ah) feels counterintuitive to me. Current over time. How did these conventions come to differ? | Waiting_for_Model3 | 2017-01-06 19:36:17 | 24 | dc37olx | I think it s just tradition. kWh is a pretty nonsensical unit as well we really should just use MJ. But here we are. | mikeash | 2017-01-06 19:52:47 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4d1fyd | ELI5: Why will it take years to ramp up production to 500k yr | I understand that the Fremont factory has the floor space for a production capacity of 500k. After watching the NatGeo documentary of the factory it would seem to me that once you have one production line a copy and paste approach would work fine. The only answer to my own question that I have come to is that they could in priciple do this but it would be a risky approach as if the order rate drops off that would be in deep $h1t. So instead they will slowly ramp up production until their order rate approx = the production rate. But this seems quite risk averse to me. | HarvsG | 2016-04-02 13:12:21 | 28 | d1my4it | I have been working in production for years. The challenge is equally hard if you have existing machines or buy new machines. With new equipment you have to debug everything so it works as it should especially where you have a lot of robots and conveyors. The hardest part is all the functions for setup start stop emergency stops safe entrance and so on. This could go on for a while if you have similar issues all across your production line. Especially if you have multiple contractors who built the production line. The good thing is that you often buy the equipment to be capable of a specific production volume per year. With existing equipment you have to optimize everything beyond what you bought it for. Let s say you have equipment for a volume of 200 000 units per year. To ramp up to 400 000 is a increase by 100% per year (working at 200% efficiency what its originally intended for). Now there are some ways to do this one is to remove all the problems with the equipment so you have a high uptime and high MTBF (mean time between failure). This will keep a consistent and high output. Second is to make it run faster (if possible). Third is to remove unnecessary work. Fourth simplify design. Fifth increase work hours. And this has to go on and on for any industry to increase productivity and survive. | Esset_89 | 2016-04-02 13:41:28 | 32 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
59npsn | ELI5: ZEV credits and how can Tesla sell them at 50 cents on the dollar while competitors sell them for full credit? | Also Elon has voiced his displeasure with the program over the last few conference calls. How can the program be improved? | jjlew080 | 2016-10-27 12:35:10 | 13 | d99vls2 | They don t sell them that s how they get the full value. They need to use them because they don t have a surplus like Tesla so you could consider it to be the full value of the fine instead of the market price of the credit. It s more nuanced than what Musk said during the call. But the truth is that if they would buy them they could get them cheaper like from Tesla. The problem is that if they would buy them instead of making cars they would potentially pay less than the fine but increase the demand for the credits and reduce the supply (by not making credit generating cars). That would also bring the market price closer to the cost of the ZEV credit. | FredTesla | 2016-10-27 12:43:18 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
u865ar | EMMC recall replacement trouble | So I am going to be moving in about 20 days. I am on military orders which is non-negotiable at this point. I have been waiting for my EMMC replacement or screen upgrade (whichever comes first) for my 2014 P85D but the appointment has been moved for the better part of 2 months. They have stated parts shortages chip shortages... I happen to know that cars are produced daily that utilize these things. Does anyone have any idea on what my options are? I am driving 1200 miles with a spotty screen that did not turn on for 9 days and did not allow me to set charge limits climate controls map or even let these items be addressed via my phone. & #x200B Tesla should focus on building backstock and rectifying all issues. The issues continue to pile up faster than the repairs take place. Original old customers are left floundering with the unfulfilled promises and constant excuses regarding a long-time well-known EMMC issue. Thoughts? | Phameous | 2022-04-20 20:48:58 | 10 | i5jbkav | I called a different service center and got it replaced a week later… | Ni987 | 2022-04-20 21:39:43 | 12 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
eq0o79 | ENGINEERS please can we get manual pre-conditioning for the battery already | It only occasionally comes on for me and I would rather have the cells working with full regen braking and power than save a few pennies of energy by not pre-heating. It is 26° right now and my cells are cold as ice yet no preheating is happening. The only work around is charging an extra 10 percent or so before you leave because scheduled departure requires somewhat of a planned day. It s so simple If weather =< 40°f then show battery precondition toggle If weather => 40°f then disable battery pre-condition toggle Have a 30min timer shut off to prevent excess drain or better yet it just base it off the actual temp parameter when regen is at full power. Edit: Its a matter of preference and not for scientific analysis. I m sure many people could have gone without the media feature of the mobile app. Edit 2: thanks for those few defending me against downvotes. I don t understand why everyone has to be left or right with everything. People don t see how this can have some positives. Why some are fighting optional (easy quick to implement) features I ll never know. Edit: [My point exactly. Was 24°f this morning and was plugged up. Had conditioning going for at least 30min](https: imgur.com a hDHSHMw) | ExplitPlayer | 2020-01-17 13:56:18 | 237 | femvojs | This already works on 2019.40.50.7. Just precondition the car 30 minutes prior. Edit: At 25°F with my car not plugged in I got full regen. I m not sure exactly how long it took ~30 mins but it worked. It used about 10% of battery though. | mjezzi | 2020-01-17 14:20:38 | 63 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7q03b3 | EPA Filing for 2018 Model 3 shows slight efficiency bump | I found the EPA posting for the 2018 Model 3 Long Range earlier today. Screenshot here: https: twitter.com hoonable status 951826189756313600 This is what I could see when comparing it to the 2017 listing: -Only the Long Range model has an entry -Now rated for 130 MPGe vs 126 MPGe for 2017 -Consumption has improved by 1kWH per 100 miles -Luggage volume has decreased by 2 cubic feet -240V Charging is listed as 2 hours shorter -Both listed with 80A Dual Charger The EPA Listing for the Model S 75 also appeared today: https: twitter.com hoonable status 951825369451192320 | Bozi_ | 2018-01-12 22:00:29 | 65 | dsld673 | The efficiency increase is due to the weight reduction from not using Alcantara. | loveheaddit | 2018-01-12 22:19:50 | 154 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7botrs | EPA documents reveal a Model S X battery called the 80P pack | TLDR: I think Tesla was planning to release an 80 kWh pack but they shelved that idea for now. Hi everybody. I have just noticed that the EPA website now shows 7 more Tesla related documents that were not listed there before. Three of those documents mention something called the 80P version of the 75 kWh battery. [Here](https: i.imgur.com cyTFcfI.gif) is a screenshot from one of the documents. It says the battery capacity for the Standard 75 kWh pack is 73.2 kWh and the 80P version is 79.7 kWh. Here are the links to the 3 documents (see page 16 in each file): https: iaspub.epa.gov otaqpub display_file.jsp?docid=39834& flag=1 https: iaspub.epa.gov otaqpub display_file.jsp?docid=39835& flag=1 https: iaspub.epa.gov otaqpub display_file.jsp?docid=39836& flag=1 The documents are from late Feb early March 2017 but they didn t appear in EPA search results before. They all have the following text: > 80P battery configuration is now added with 75 model carline. 100 kWh battery pack module with depopulated cells and firmware limits to match 75 kWh pack performance. We still continue to produce 75 model carline with existing battery configuration. > As agreed with EPA Tesla ran pack level energy comparison between new 80P pack and current 75 pack. The results are shown below. The Estimated Test Weight of vehicle equipped with new 80P pack has not changed. > With the higher energy content of the 80p pack the current 75 pack will still continue to be the worst case for FE label purposes. **Here is my take:** I think this is related to the Model 3. Probably the original plan was to call the Model 3 Long Range the Model 3 80. When they announced that name they were also planning to announce that all recent 75 kWh Model S X cars came with an 80 kWh battery that was software limited to 75 kWh and people could unlock that extra capacity with an online purchase. That would be impressive. Another advantage of this plan would be the simplified production of Model S X packs. They were planning to make those 80 kWh packs from 100 kWh pack hardware by putting in fewer cells. This way all S X packs would use the 100 kWh pack architecture. However the problem with that plan is it would increase the base price which is not a good idea when they are trying to reach 100K sales in 2017 and they would need more cells. I think they have ditched this plan and instead went with the other plan which was to keep quiet about Model 3 battery size and change the naming scheme from Model 3 80 to Model 3 Long Range. However this shows that an 80 kWh Model S X might be in the works. Troy | Teslike | 2017-11-08 22:09:12 | 58 | dpjmkiz | Spotted in July on TMC. Looks like it s the same. https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2208902 | dirtyfries | 2017-11-08 22:13:48 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7bp7br | EPA documents show how wheel size affects Model S X consumption. | Hi everybody. The EPA recently added a few more Tesla related documents to their website. 3 of them show the horsepower required to overcome the road load with different wheel options. [Here](https: i.imgur.com IxKHvxz.gif) is a screenshot from one of them. Here are links to the 3 documents (see page 5 on each file): https: iaspub.epa.gov otaqpub display_file.jsp?docid=39829& flag=1 < < Model X https: iaspub.epa.gov otaqpub display_file.jsp?docid=39827& flag=1 < < Model S RWD https: iaspub.epa.gov otaqpub display_file.jsp?docid=39828& flag=1 < < Model S AWD Using these numbers we can now compare the energy consumption of 19 and 21 Model S wheels or 20 and 22 Model X wheels. For example if you open the first file on page 5 for the Model X 75D it shows 12.49 HP required with 20 and 15.3 HP required with 22 wheels. That means 15.3 12.49 - 1= 22.5% more power required with the 22 wheels. Here are the numbers for all trim levels: * 4.9% more consumption for Model S P100D with 21 vs 19 wheels. * 5.2% more consumption for Model S P90D with 21 vs 19 wheels. * 11.6% more consumption for Model S 60 75 with 21 vs 19 wheels. * 11.8% more consumption for Model S 60D 75D 90D with 21 vs 19 wheels. * 22.2% more consumption for Model X P90D with 22 vs 20 wheels. * 22.5% more consumption for Model X 60D 75D 90D with 22 vs 20 wheels. * 23.3% more consumption for Model X P100D with 22 vs 20 wheels. The documents are from December 2016 but they were newly listed on the EPA website. If you open the search page [HERE](https: iaspub.epa.gov otaqpub pubsearch.jsp) select Tesla under Manufacturer and make a search the page used to show 43 search results. Now it shows 50. They regularly add more documents here. Edit 1: Check out the screenshot [here](https: i.imgur.com pqDtt3E.jpg). The Model X Design Studio used to say 10-15% less range with 22 wheels. Edit 2: A user [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6drkf6 19_vs_21_wheel_owners_have_you_tried_both_what di4v43u ) reports that his Model S P85 consumption is 335 Wh mi with 21 wheels and 290 Wh mi with 19 wheels. The difference in range would be 335 290-1= 15.5%. Edit 3: There is a Model X video [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=smrS0GbDh0I) that claims 23% difference between 22 and 20 wheels. Edit 4: The Model X rear tires are 10 mm wider with the 22 wheel option (285 mm instead of 275 mm). See page 5 on the EPA document. 20 wheels: 265 45R20 (F) 275 45R20 (R) 22 wheels: 265 35R22 (F) 285 35R22 (R) Troy | Teslike | 2017-11-08 23:07:14 | 132 | dpjpq0n | Wow those 22 wheels really kill efficiency. I mean I knew they did but over 20%? I had no idea they were *that* bad. | Dr_Pippin | 2017-11-08 23:12:20 | 34 | Electric Performance Car Comparison |
trall2 | EPA rated range VS what the car shows... | I purchased a 2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+. It was one of the LFP models they offered in September. I have a few questions about the energy charts. (I apologize if I get type out the units incorrectly) 1. What is the cars rated WH mi? The window sticker says 24kW-hr per 100miles. Does this mean 240 W-hr per 1 mile? 2. If the answer above is yes then why does the car seems to have the rated range closer to 220 W-hr mi? (Looking at the energy chart the rated line seems to be at 220is) 3. Does anyone know the size of the battery in this particular model? I was under the impression that it is a 55kW-hr battery. If this is the case wouldn t that mean the estimated full range is (55 000 W-hr 240 W-hr mi = 229 miles of range?) 4. The car came with an estimated range of 262miles in the sticker but the car said 253 miles. So if the battery is 55kW-hr then the rated efficiency would need to be 55 000 w-hr 253 miles = 217 kW-hr mi. This seems to match up with the rated range shown in the energy graph shown in the car. 5. Is my confusion coming from the fact that the EPA estimated and the Tesla rated efficiency are not the same? I am not complaining about the car in any way. We love it. I just want to understand the efficiency stuff. | Impossible-Help7098 | 2022-03-29 17:42:22 | 87 | i2lgp4t | **HERE S ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT RANGE** **THE PROBLEM** The displayed range on the screen may not be what you expect and it may not correctly indicate the actual driving range of your vehicle. It also might not be consistent with what you ve seen in the past or what Tesla advertised. **THREE DIFFERENT RANGE MEASUREMENTS** There are three different ways Tesla vehicles report range: - **Regulatory (EPA NEDC) Range**: The regulatory range is based on government testing in a test cell not real life. A car s regulatory mileage numbers are only exactly accurate under very specific test conditions. This calculated figure probably doesn t reflect how you actually use the vehicle. Your Tesla may not get the regulatory range for all the same reasons that gasoline-powered cars do not exactly get their regulatory fuel economy. *This is the number Tesla (and other EV manufacturers) report on their website because the law requires them to.* - **Rated (Displayed) Range**: The Rated Range is a range number based on a factory-set baseline watt hours per mile or km (wh mi) and a measurement of the average battery module voltage. This is the number you see on the screen or in the app if you have your range display set to distance. It s Tesla s estimate of how far your car can go under what *they* consider to be average conditions. The *actual* wh mi that you experience will vary based on battery temperature variations in voltage between battery modules and cells cruising speed driving style wind wheel size tire pressure use of climate control and use of sentry mode. Because of all those variables this rated range number may not reflect your actual driving range. - **Actual (Energy App Estimated) Range**: This is the range displayed on the energy app in the car. It s based on *your actual use* in wh mi over the last 30 miles if you have it set that way. This is the most accurate estimate because it factors in your specific driving variables and other factors like the weather you have been driving in. It is updated as you drive and *this is the figure the navigation system uses to recommend charging stops.* These three numbers *will not match* even on a brand new vehicle and this is not an indication that there is something wrong. **RANGE ANXIETY AND HOW TO DEAL WITH IT** Imagine if your phone had a countdown showing the number of seconds until the phone dies. You would worry endlessly about why one day it started with a different number of seconds and what that could mean for the health of the phone. It would make you worry unnecessarily about something that isn t really a problem. Instead your phone has a simple graph or percentage indicator. It s easy to understand and it gives you enough information without making you paranoid. Tesla thought of this too. I recommend you set your vehicle to display energy as a percentage. For the following reasons: - You wouldn t drive *any* vehicle down to the last 1% fuel remaining so tracking each mile missing or gained becomes over-analysis. - If you re using the Rated Range as some kind of battery health indicator it doesn t give enough information for that and it s too prone to error anyway. If there is a real problem with the battery pack you d get an error message from the BMS. - Most experienced Tesla owners set the display to percentage and if they need to check the miles remaining they use the Energy app in the car. This is the most accurate tool we have because it actually accounts for your real-world driving habits. For day-to-day local commuting just plug it in at home every night and charge to 80 or 90%. If you can t do that use a public charger or supercharger when the battery gets at or below 20%. For trips that may consume 50% or more of your battery use the nav system *even if you know how to get there.* It will monitor your energy consumption and let you know if and where you need to charge or if you ll need to slow down to conserve power. If you do this even if your cars Rated Range varies as the BMS takes new measurements the results will remain the same over time. The navigation system will warn you very insistently if you are leaving the range of a known charger. It is extremely difficult to accidentally strand yourself with a dead battery in a Tesla vehicle. You may hear tales of people arriving with a very *low* battery but there are few stories of people *actually getting stranded* unless a supercharger is offline. The software and battery management system are *very* vigilant. **IS IT BATTERY DEGRADATION?** You might think that your vehicle s battery is degrading much faster than expected and you might be worried about that. Batteries do degrade over time. You can expect to lose around 5% of your total capacity in the first 2 years of ownership and another five percent over the following 5 - 8 years. Some batteries lose it quicker than others but few lose more than 10% over the course of their lifespan. Storing the vehicle at a very high (> 90%) or very low (< 10%) state of charge for long periods of time (> 24 hours) can exacerbate these losses but it is usually not very significant over the long term. You should not hesitate to charge to 100% when you will actually need it. If you re fixated on the Rated Range display you might think you have much higher or lower degradation than expected but there is a very high likelihood that your *actual driving range* will follow the expected degradation curve. According to Tesla the vehicle is within specifications if it has lost less than 30% of its Rated Range. **CALIBRATING YOUR BATTERY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM** You can allow the Battery Management System (BMS) to recalibrate itself and re-estimate your Displayed Range. It can only take measurements when the car is fully asleep with the high-voltage contactor disabled. Things like Sentry Mode and third-party apps (like TeslaFi) can interfere with the car going into deep sleep. You should also give it many opportunities to sample the battery state at various states of charge. The steps are as follows: 1. Disable Sentry Mode and disconnect any third-party apps like TeslaFi that may prevent the car from going to sleep. The BMS only does range compuations after the vehicle has been asleep for at least 30 minutes. *Leave these features off until the process is complete!* 2. Charge to 95% and drive the car. Do not charge again until you get it below 20%. 3. Charge back to 95% and drive the car down to 20%. *It may take several cycles to notice any change in the Rated Range display.* 4. Re-enable Sentry Mode (if you like) and reconnect any third-party apps you disabled. Keep in mind: This process is only recalibrating the Rated Range display. It s for people to whom that number is important. It s not significantly increasing the distance the vehicle can drive. [Long Explanation Here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads how-i-recovered-half-of-my-batterys-lost-capacity.204712 ?utm_content=iss291& utm_campaign=ed9& utm_source=threadloom& utm_medium=email#post-4946309) **HOW TO GET MAXIMUM RANGE WHILE DRIVING** 1. Before You Drive: Pre-heat or Pre-cool the vehicle if it s plugged in. The cabin should be at your desired temperature before you disconnect the charging cable. At a Supercharger you can set the vehicle to keep the climate control on while it charges. 2. Climate Control: Keep the windows closed and use climate control sparingly. In warm months set the climate control to LO and adjust the fan speed as required to keep you comfortable. This is more efficient than setting a specific temperature. Model S and X owners can enable climate control range mode which caps the maximum energy the climate control system is allowed to draw. In cold weather use seat and steering wheel heaters instead of the cabin heater as much as you can. 3. Vehicle Settings: Set acceleration to Chill and regenerative braking to Standard (if you have that setting.) Model S and X owners can set the adjustable suspension height to Low. 4. Driving Style: Accelerate carefully use regenerative braking as often as you can and absolutely *drive no more than 65 mph (105 km h).* High speeds greatly increase drag and energy consumption. Autopilot is often more efficient than a human driver so use it. Following these guidelines will almost always enable you to get near or even better than the posted Regulatory Range. **IF THAT STILL DOESN T WORK FOR YOU ...** If after all this you think you have a problem with your battery pack then you should immediately contact Tesla in the interest of the safety and reliability of your vehicle. We redditors have a lot to say but we cannot fix your car. If you re trying to find out if anyone else has experienced an issue similar to yours try the Search function. Range is discussed **very** frequently. **TL DR**: Don t fixate on the Rated Range display it s often wrong. If you need to see a range number use the the Energy App. You ll be a much happier owner if you set the range display to percent and just drive until it s time to charge. Don t get too bogged down in the data it s hard to make useful conclusions unless you re counting kwh. If you still think there s something wrong with your car you need Tesla not Reddit. More Info on Range is available [here from Tesla.](https: www.tesla.com support range) More Info on Cold Weather operations and battery heating is available [from u Wugz here.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments kq39dy model_3_factfinding_winter_edition_effects_of ) Car and Driver did an article on how Tesla achieves it s stellar EPA (Regulatory) range results which [you can read here.](https: www.caranddriver.com features a33824052 adjustment-factor-tesla-uses-for-big-epa-range-numbers ) | majesticjg | 2022-03-29 18:20:39 | 240 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
bfpm8e | EPA releases Tesla 2019 cert application - Battery details & Standard Range Plus efficiency detailed | Link to report: https: iaspub.epa.gov otaqpub display_file.jsp?docid=46584& flag=1 TLDR: Calculated SR+ battery pack is 54.4 kWh (Mid range is 63.8 kWh) SR+ battery pack is 125 lbs lighter than the mid range pack SR+ curb weight comes in at 3624 lbs (vs 3837 lbs for LR) SR+ highway test efficiency clocks in at ~185Wh mile total (Mid range is ~201) | gotrice1111 | 2019-04-21 14:54:51 | 58 | elfco80 | \~185Wh mile is crazy low... | PB94941 | 2019-04-21 14:57:07 | 30 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
cwnlkd | EU Legislation crippling auto-anything. Steven Peeters even made a petition in order to make that stop. | Can this petition get some love please? https: secure.avaaz.org en community_petitions UNECE_Stop_crippling_Tesla_Autopilot_in_Europe In this video https: youtu.be SxwrD0MMZxE I investigated the UN ECE r79 regulation concerning the limitation that AutoPilot has in Europe. I ll dive really deep into the legal requirements and bring that back to the actual implications for the AutoPilot system. I also go over the actual formula s that are being used and how they are applied in the real world. With this I hope everyone understands why we are so upset over here in Europe. We really need to do something about this because as you will see these regulations make AutoPilot a lot more dangerous than what it actually needs to be just because of the fact that the system gets artificially limited while the technological capabilities far outreach the current regulation. If you want to help out please share this video as much as possible to raise the awareness all over the world and don t forget to sign this petition that has been set up specifically to try to counteract or change these regulations: https: secure.avaaz.org en community_petitions UNECE_Stop_crippling_Tesla_Autopilot_in_Europe | SoldadoAruanda | 2019-08-28 17:02:53 | 93 | eydow9b | BTW Swiss Teslas has been nerfed as well despite the fact that Switzerland is NOT part of the EU and should not undergo the same rules! | f205v | 2019-08-28 20:00:10 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
hvoq07 | EU Navigation Data rollback EU-2020.32 to EU-2019.20 | Just over a week ago the car decided to download a Navigation Data Update giving me EU-2020.32. Last night it started downloading another navigation data update. When I went to check this morning it had rolled back to EU-2019.20 ! I wonder what was so awful about 2020.32... or if this was just my car glitching. This is a late 2019 UK M3P with FSD. Last night: https: preview.redd.it rtuyq8aoscc51.jpg?width=1280& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=01ebe8c66e07240b03d55e58e1526d44df805653 This morning: https: preview.redd.it 0ybf116pscc51.jpg?width=1280& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=3b44b030a163b073217aa9c2eb98d0b9a3d6f5ed | InconvenientPenguin | 2020-07-22 06:34:31 | 26 | fyurzr3 | Wonder how this is going to affect the 2020.28.10 Traffic Light Stop and Go rollout... Can also confirm the rollback. UK M3P. | Durzel | 2020-07-22 08:43:52 | 10 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
brmyha | EU S X users think twice before updating to 2019.16.2 autopilot is more limited | Since I ve started using my Model 3 driving on highways has been less enjoyable than our X. Frequent lane change timeouts and from time to time I would get a message: autopilot limited be ready to take over. This behavior now comes to S and X models with the latest update for european drivers. What changes: Model X can no longer take tight curves and displays a message saying autopilot limited. Highway driving is mostly unaffected even though there are some places around the city with sharper turns especially highway ramps and sections with limited speed. The car will unexpectedly break and play an alert sound. Changing lanes has now a 5 second timeout so if the car hesitates at the beginning it will swerve back to its previous lane quite vigorously. Major downgrade. I can no longer just pull the signal stalk all the way down and wait until the car waits for a slot. Driving animation doesn t improve anything its even a bit distracting and buggy. I am quite disappointed. If I was aware of these limitations I would stay on 2019.12 as long as possible until the fsd computer swap. That version worked flawlessly for me. Hope this helps | martin_lng | 2019-05-22 10:18:25 | 53 | eof42h6 | i don t think the FSD computer swap is going to change these limitations... they ve been introduced by regulation changes in Europe after all. We can only hope that Tesla gets regulatory approval to remove the limitations again soon but new hardware won t result in those limitations being taken away until regulators allow Tesla to do so. | ralinx | 2019-05-22 10:36:29 | 30 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
dpxy46 | EU plug-in sales for sept. Record deliveries by Tesla. | [http: ev-sales.blogspot.com 2019 10 europe-september-2019.html](http: ev-sales.blogspot.com 2019 10 europe-september-2019.html) Some new EU EVs have been out for a few months now so how are they going? For Sept: i-Pace **2.2**% e-Tron **2.6**% As for the others: i3 **5.3**% Zoe **6.1**% Leaf **5.5**% e-Golf **4.4**% Kona **2.6**% TX **2.0**% TS **1.7**% Niro **1.4**% The current king of plugins: Tesla 3 at **30.0**% with 17490 deliveries (Aug was 5286 deliveries). Must be a record for Tesla. T3 sales began in Feb so this is their 8th month. YTD is **17**%. | badcatdog | 2019-11-01 02:07:52 | 36 | f5zx4ok | In Denmark the Model 3 was the 4th most sold car last month - including ICE. Number four among all cars. Pretty good! 1 2 3 was cars like Citroën C1 Peugeot 208 | DenSandeLemur | 2019-11-01 07:20:49 | 10 | Tesla Challenges in Germany |
b0u84k | EU to allow longer nose for semi truck. Good for Tesla Semi. | I remembered Elon said there will be an EU version Semi for cab-over-engine design. It may be unnecessary now according to the regulation adjustment. [https: www.transportenvironment.org news breakthrough-safer-more-aerodynamic-truck-cabs](https: www.transportenvironment.org news breakthrough-safer-more-aerodynamic-truck-cabs) | Evan147 | 2019-03-14 01:22:16 | 139 | eihb6zp | Thank you for sharing something I would never otherwise have found in the mainstream media. | MarshallEverest | 2019-03-14 02:19:09 | 71 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
gfs7je | EU: is it just me or is Autopilot now not giving any warnings about holding the steering wheel? | I ve just driven 120km on the highway and received an astounding amount of beeps over the steering wheel not being held although I had my hand on it all the time. Granted sometimes it was too sentier and didn t give enough torque to be detected but I never got the usually black small warning then the blue bar slowly then quickly blinking. It went straight to the audio warning and red message cutting the audio story the kids were so intensely listening to. Model 3. HW2.5 2020.12.11.1 Anyone else got that? Édit: after some confirmation in EU I d recommend to hold off 2020.12.11.1 if you haven t updated yet. I just got a push for 11.*5* which may react differently. Will update if useful. EDIT: situation fixed after 12.11.5. | TheRegen | 2020-05-08 12:22:16 | 28 | fpvgrtc | Same for me. Since 2020.12 and it s quite annoying. NoA got worse not being able to take the usual exits on my way to work often showing ‘tollbooth detected autopilot limited message | martin_lng | 2020-05-08 13:27:06 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7vqvxp | EV 2018 tax credit | Just filed for my 2018 taxes however the 8936 for EV has not been released yet. Speaking to my tax advisor I was told they still haven t released it and should be “any day now”. Those of you in Tax field or have already filed do you have insight as to when the form should be released? Is there something I am missing. Edit: for those saying estimated date was the 15th of February I have not seen the new form come out. Just checked today on IRS website | all_glory_tothe_toad | 2018-02-06 21:41:43 | 30 | dtudy5u | Don t you mean 2017 taxes? | dieabetic | 2018-02-06 21:47:15 | 31 | EV Tax Credit Impact |
8dqr6k | EV Camping or iCamping | Has anybody tried car camping in their EV with a low heat running overnight to stay warm? You know seats folded down with feet in the trunk and head looking out the glass? Edit: I have a 3 | Suck_it_Earth | 2018-04-20 20:30:46 | 10 | dxp8gut | Tesla Bjorn has done it hundreds of times check out his videos. | izybit | 2018-04-20 20:36:10 | 18 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
hgtqhb | EV Car Google Assistant voice integration service seems to be taken down as of this morning | The EV Car Google assistant service is no longer working: Broken link to service page: https: assistant.google.com services a uid 000000196c7e079e%3Fhl%3Den-US+& cd=1& hl=en& ct=clnk& gl=us [Google cached copy](https: webcache.googleusercontent.com search?q=cache:5w9koLdyoQcJ:https: assistant.google.com services a uid 000000196c7e079e%3Fhl%3Den-US+& cd=1& hl=en& ct=clnk& gl=us) [Internet archive copy of cache](https: web.archive.org web 20200627134016 https: webcache.googleusercontent.com search?q=cache:5w9koLdyoQcJ:https: assistant.google.com services a uid 000000196c7e079e%3Fhl%3Den-US+& cd=1& hl=en& ct=clnk& gl=us) I actually used this quite a bit... Just changed my account password on a regular interval just in case. I wonder if they raised security red flags with Google or Tesla... :-( Update From devloper: takedown because a privacy link was invalid. I guess it ll have to go though the whole approval cycle again before it is restored. | skifri | 2020-06-27 13:43:50 | 10 | fw67jh9 | I didn t know this was a thing and now I want it! Thanks... | TeslaReferral | 2020-06-27 15:09:56 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
a36rrl | EV Charge Port Location | I was watching a video on the new Rivian EV s which look very exciting to me and I hope they get to market. While watching though I noticed they seem to charge from the front passenger side as opposed to the rear driver side which we have on all the Teslas. It got me thinking though most super charging stations are designed under the assumption that everyone is charging from the same place. Similarly I d put my home charger where I did because I want it close to the charge port. If that s going to be somewhere completely different on each car that seems like a giant pain in the ass and people will start using chargers from the wrong spot. So what say you.... should automakers agree to standardize this or are we going to repeat the same shit show that we suffered through with ICE scars and gas stations? | tcwillis79 | 2018-12-05 00:27:20 | 14 | eb3zsyp | While you guys talk about it being in a convenient spot for plugging the charger into the car I m just going to mention that the bumpers are the parts of the car most likely to be involved in an accident. There s a reason there are bumpers there after all. I find it odd Rivian would put the charge port somewhere it would have the greatest chance of getting damaged and potentially become inoperable. | Kevenam | 2018-12-05 02:03:03 | 13 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
wmo24t | EV Chargers at work | I asked the mods if I could post this here and they may take it down if it isn t up to Rule 2 standards. If so I ll post in r electricvehicles. Recently I was tasked with finding a charger to install at my workplace. There is only a single EV in the lot right now and that is my Tesla Model 3. However there are at least 2 Model Ys on order and a Cybertruck. So the company thought it s time to consider the future. We didn t want to just get Tesla chargers in case people come in with a Bolt or whatever. My requirements were J1772 have the ability to bill employees for charging and not be public chargers that anyone off the street can use which also means it can t show up on a map. My first stop was ChargePoint. They seem to be the standard when it comes to chargers. Looking at their website they have the CPF50 which seems like the perfect option. Upon contacting them I learn that the CPF50 a $2k charger is software locked to a single car account. That s stupid. So what else do they have? A large pedestal unit costing upwards of $15k for a dual charger. All because they made the decision to software lock the cheaper unit. Do companies seriously pay this? And then they were super dodgy when it came to the subscriptions and who actually owned the hardware. So I found Enel X and the JuiceBox Pro. The sales guy I talked to over there was astounded at the fact that they wanted that much for a Level 2 charger. They thought it was a DC fast charger. So they came back with about $7 500 for 4 total chargers and the subscriptions necessary to set payment options. The entire setup we are looking for half the cost of a single charger with ChargePoint. Ownership and subscriptions were also very clear. We own the hardware $120 year subscription to get management and billing tools. Personally I feel we should just buy some cheaper wall mounted home chargers and call it a day. It ll cost less than $3 000 and we don t have to mess with any subscriptions. We are a manufacturing facility get primary power from the power company and have a $42k to $52k electric bill each month. EV charging isn t going to add much to that especially with 1 EV in the lot right now. Not to mention the fact that I won t be using it if I have to pay more than my home rate. I m curious if anyone knows of any other charger brands that we should look into or if they have recommendations based on a setup at their workplace. | tylermartin86 | 2022-08-12 15:27:12 | 49 | ik15u4s | I have a ski area as a client that currently has 20 JuiceBox Pro 48s up and running. Nothing but good things to say about the chargers. Be sure to coordinate with the seller on the available voltage with your 4 Teslas all capable of charging at 240v 48 amps you should go with the 48 amp Juicebox Pro model. Since you will be tying into an industrial power supply and assuming you re in the U.S. I m guessing you re probably going to have 60 amp 208v power supply available for each unit that can then run at 48 amps 28v. One last item it might be worth the cost of administering and charging the users as this will eliminate the favoritism talk that will most definitely occur in the shop amongst non-EV owners if you don t. Well worth the cost IMO to avoid those ill-informed discussions on a near-daily basis. | DRO_Churner | 2022-08-12 19:00:39 | 13 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
cevc99 | EV Core Efficiency Comparison Chart | \*\*\* Disclaimer: this is not my formula I merely adopted it. & #x200B & #x200B [Comparison Chart based on available information and logical assumptions.](https: i.imgur.com bU71ygq.png) & #x200B & #x200B & #x200B @matty\_mogul [Twitter Post with Original Chart](https: twitter.com matty_mogul status 1143998870281699328?s=21) Matt s explanation of the original chart on HyperChange TV ([YouTube Link](https: youtu.be KB3Rjk_IQIY?t=615)). & #x200B This formula and some data came from Matt Joyce as discussed on Hyperchange TV Tesla Shareholder Roundtable ([YouTube Link](https: www.youtube.com watch?edufilter=NULL& v=xNDD3CHEsMI)) ([Podcast Link](http: techcastdaily.com 2019 07 10 investor-roundtable-with-galileo-russel-rob-maurer-and-matt-joyce-07-10-19 )). Great listen watch for any Tesla Fan Stockholder Owner. & #x200B Follow These People: Rob Maurer Tesla Daily on Twitter: [https: twitter.com TeslaPodcast](https: twitter.com TeslaPodcast) Matt Joyce on Twitter: [https: twitter.com matty\_mogul](https: twitter.com matty_mogul) Galileo Russel HyperChange TV on Twitter: [https: twitter.com HyperChangeTV](https: twitter.com HyperChangeTV) LINK - Tesla Daily Podcast: [http: techcastdaily.com ](https: www.youtube.com redirect?redir_token=JqOkQTzYBDDoBdGmZ9luuhTDFx98MTU2MzU1NTcwNUAxNTYzNDY5MzA1& event=video_description& v=xNDD3CHEsMI& q=http%3A%2F%2Ftechcastdaily.com%2F) & #x200B Notes: For Model Y curb weight I took what an [Elon Tweet](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1102338251497431040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) from March 3rd 2019 and added 10% to an equivalent Model 3 weight. | drewbrew | 2019-07-18 17:16:31 | 65 | eu5635d | Missing model 3 lr rwd. Most efficient one out there | dwaynereade | 2019-07-18 17:24:40 | 45 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6nc3pw | EV Tax rebate question - timing for tax extensions? Based on purchase date or file date? | Does the EV rebate apply based on when you purchase the car or when you file your taxes? For example if the Model 3 rebates run out in mid 2017 do those who already own cars miss out if they filed for an extension and haven t submitted their returns yet? Or does it not matter as long as your purchase date was from before the expiration of the rebate? | CashForRedditGold | 2017-07-14 21:40:34 | 12 | dk8c64t | When you take delivery from my understanding. | run-the-joules | 2017-07-14 21:44:19 | 11 | EV Tax Credit Impact |
6sdv53 | EV Trip Planner | Is anyone else having issues using EV Trip Planner? When I try routing through supercharges it tells me there is no complete route found using only superchargers. I m doing a VA to MA trip soon and trying to get estimates of traveling time. Does anyone else have a better route planner? I have looked at a better route planner but I don t see the options to customize it the way you can do EV Trip Planner. | Thekacz | 2017-08-08 14:34:04 | 11 | dlbxymk | www.abetterrouteplanner.com Try that. Click Show Settings to customize most of the same things or just get in the car put in the destination and see where it says to charge etc. | majesticjg | 2017-08-08 14:40:54 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
926fni | EV and Tesla Deniers | Hi Folks Log time lurker here but big Tesla EV supporter and hoping to get my deposit down for my right hand drive model 3 when they start manufacturing for the UK! It seems to become a daily occurrence now that I meet someone who almost refuses to accept the progress EV s are making. I explain the range on some Teslas to people and they say things like one day the technology will be like that or I just don t think the infrastructures there for electric cars. While I agree it s all still a work in progress I don t think we re going to develop toward electric cars as a society with a pessimistic attitude. Without going into a 50 minute slideshow presentation with multiple youtube videos explaining the development of Tesla and EVs and the staggering progress the industry has made I find it hard to convince people in a short space of time that the technology is here now not one day in the future and it will only be getting better. Does anyone have a specific video or webpage or anything that summarises it all that I can just slap in front of someone and say here are the facts ? Whats your go to show off piece? | thedrchappers | 2018-07-26 21:33:00 | 19 | e33et8j | Things really changed once I got my car. Like others I ve had tons and tons of questions about Teslas and EVs in general. Of course most of the people who ask about it are those who are at least marginally interested in Teslas or EVs so there will be a little slant at least. But once people get inside see that my battery is half full yet has 150 miles of range and go for a drive - they become believers. I explain to them that I can get a full charge overnight or I show them the map of superchargers and they see that it s not all that inconvenient to have an EV. My usually line is 30 minutes will give me over 200 miles of range and 45 will nearly fill me up and they realize that it s completely possible to do long range driving in a Tesla - albeit slightly less convenient. By the time you get yours Tesla may have 350 kW chargers and it would take just 10 min to get over 200 miles of range in a Model 3. I also explain to them that just a 6 years ago the Nissan Leaf was the longest range BEV with 80 miles of range. Now this year you can buy an EV like the Kona EV or Bolt Ampera-e with over 200 miles of range for a reasonable price. | thepolan | 2018-07-26 21:45:38 | 24 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
69zzzp | EV charging in the US national parks? | I just skimmed this old article and wondered what Tesla owner experiences are like when visiting our National Parks more recently? http: www.csmonitor.com Business In-Gear 2014 0317 Planning-a-Tesla-road-trip-Avoid-national-parks About a month ago I was in Big Bend NP and was a little surprised to see a Tesla there. Gasoline is even in rare supply *way down there*. RV hookups are likely the only way to charge an EV if you can get the car from Ft Stockton to the park. | LoudMusic | 2017-05-08 18:37:20 | 14 | dhan7h3 | It would be great if Tesla could partner with the National Park Service to offer destination chargers at all National Parks. They are often in remote areas and it s not uncommon to do a decent bit of driving around in the park once you get there. | batshelter | 2017-05-08 18:50:46 | 14 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
61t0co | EV charging station starts charging then stops | I have been trying to use this charging station for my Model X. According to PlugShare some others using Model S have been successful in charging here. Every time I try charging (using the adapter) my X starts charging for about 1 second then the charging station makes a click and stops. Does anyone know if I need to change or decrease my amps or any other setting for this to work? I m in an area that doesn t have any superchargers around and traveling at the moment. Here s a photo of the charging station if it is helpful: https: imgur.com a 44Xvl I spoke to the security guard in this location and he said the charger doesn t work for Teslas but I was under the impression that chargers do not know what vehicle it is being used in. Thanks. | plasm0dium | 2017-03-27 15:59:41 | 13 | dfh1ynk | Troubleshooting steps any time I have trouble at a charger in order: * Check available screens for info (Not really applicable here that red exclamation mark isn t exactly useful) including the car. * If another charger is available relocate to that spot. (Also not applicable it looks like since there s just the one) * Reboot the car (unplug the charger. Put the car into car off mode either though the settings menu or closing locking it then getting back in. Hold down the two scroll wheels on the steering wheel for 10-ish seconds until the center console goes black.) try plugging in again after it comes all the way back up. * Turn the amps all the way down. Bring it back up one Amp at a time until it trips the breaker again. Drop it down one let it charge there. * If the charge speed is too slow check PlugShare for other chargers in the area. If none are available estimate the minimum amount of time it ll take to charge enough to get to a supercharger. (Edit: And take a nap) | tuba_man | 2017-03-27 16:36:12 | 14 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
5dnntx | EV ethics question | Hello r teslamotors I was recently in an ethics lecture where a question arose about the ethics of EVs. The lecturer asked about the potential problems with EVs and someone relied saying how they are scared of EVs because they wouldn t want someone to be able to take control over the car from the outside or hack into it. I find the statement quite ridiculous but I am just wondering how much clout the statement holds. Is this even a slight problem or should no one care? | whiteout1pro | 2016-11-18 17:32:44 | 12 | da5w8ys | ICE vehicles have already been hacked - has nothing to do with EVs. I assume they re talking more about connected or self driving vehicles? Are there possibilities? Yes. Is it likely? Nope. One generally needs some physical access to the vehicle or at the least relatively close proximity. And even without it s a lot of trouble and effort to potentially do something that d be easier just cutting the brakes or something else. It s an overblown threat that idiots will lap up but people living in reality know doesn t matter. And since this is about ethics - I d raise the argument that self-driving vehicles stand to improve our lives substantially through fewer accidents and more time gained back. I d call that ethical. | dirtyfries | 2016-11-18 17:37:46 | 37 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
5xeexb | EV help with this poll | Could you guys help by quickly filling out this one question poll? Should Tesla be allowed to sell directly in CT? http: m.hartfordbusiness.com SECTION POLLARCHIVE Thanks | lmr2d2 | 2017-03-04 01:27:57 | 13 | dehh3d7 | Those comments are painful. > But I work at a car dealership! What if GM started selling directly to customers!? You d work at a GM dealership rather than Steve Jones Chevy or whatever. | erasedgod | 2017-03-04 02:20:36 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8f2pa1 | EV parking in NYC | Any tips for parking my Tesla in New York City over the weekend? I ll be staying at a Midtown hotel. Obviously I can park in any public garage but I know some offer EV spaces: how are the fees? How comfortable are the valets with Teslas? etc. Thanks! | ghoat06 | 2018-04-26 13:37:44 | 22 | dy00tk1 | https: www.plugshare.com Will help you out with this. Plugshare also has an app for the phone. I will never let valet drive my car. | rcnfive | 2018-04-26 13:39:36 | 19 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
c4f0cw | EV promotion | Seeming as the goal of tesla motors is to speed up the change to EV vehicles. I was wondering if people here could join the electric vehicle sub reddit as the are 400 000 members here and only 40 000 members on electric vehicles. It is good to support EVs In general I think. | pjenn001 | 2019-06-24 00:07:29 | 10 | erwa69i | Can t say for others but I didn t join this sub because of support for EVs...... I joined it for Tesla. | sha8891 | 2019-06-24 00:53:49 | 23 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8mu2cf | EVs parking on superchargers etiquette... | As I was leaving a supercharger today a Nissan Leaf parked in one of the open spots. It s pretty obvious that he would not be able to charge there so how would that situation work out? Should we treat them like gassholes or be more simpathetic because they are also EVs? I didn t say anything since there where plenty of stays open but I can see that becoming a problem in the future as more EVs hit the road. | felipetenor | 2018-05-28 22:42:34 | 18 | dzqce04 | If you park in a SC spot and you aren t charging you re an asshole. Even if you re in a Tesla. | dubsteponmycat | 2018-05-28 22:44:12 | 124 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
4wo8s3 | EXACTLY what do I need to remove the front plate bracket on a new Model S? | Seriously. I just want a link to an amazon drill bit head or socket set I can order. | UnknownQTY | 2016-08-08 03:29:15 | 14 | d68mljh | https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads definitive-s-refresh-front-plate-bracket-removal.71295 | zedasi | 2016-08-08 04:03:40 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8gq0yc | EZ Pass Placement in Model 3... | I ve heard rumors that because of all of the glass that EZ-Pass transponders work fine if they re sitting inside the middle console and don t actually need to be window-mounted. Has anybody tried that? Is it pretty consistent or hit-and-miss? Any other suggestions for mounting other than the windshield? | garthreddit | 2018-05-03 12:35:36 | 19 | dydpfgr | Not to answer my own question but I went through two tolls this morning with no problem just having the ezpass sitting in the tray closed up in the middle console! | garthreddit | 2018-05-03 13:33:04 | 15 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8yn9ww | Each truckload of teslas removes the need for one truckload of fuel delivered to a gas station. | Now this doesn t mean completely... Due to not all delivered vehicles using the same station but picture this. According to statistics the average American buys 656 gallons of fuel every year. A tanker carries 9000 gallons of gasoline. Each Tesla carrier hauls 9 vehicles. So for every car carrier of Teslas that almost equates to one less semi of fuel delivered throughout the country. Based on almost a thousand Teslas being manufactured daily meaning around 100 car carriers leaving the factory THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 100 SEMIS OF FUEL NOT NEEDED IN THE US EVERY SINGLE DAY.😀😀😀😀😀 | shanereaves | 2018-07-13 20:03:16 | 217 | e2c7avu | Sure and you wonder why the oil companies are bank rolling mis information | sziehr | 2018-07-13 20:05:01 | 66 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
63gz5s | Earlier today u 110110 mentioned an initiative to have cards for different situations regarding EV parking spaces so I designed 3. | They are all on the google drive link below... If anyone else have any ideas for it I ll be happy to help. My idea was to have when adequate the car talking to the reader. Also in my mind the card is supposed to be filled in with a pencil so that it can be re-used. I included a .125in bleed which should be enough for pretty much any printing place on the colored sides. https: drive.google.com open?id=0B08_pcR3VIRQVGZ1elZrbVBxRUE | ntoporcov | 2017-04-04 20:57:25 | 71 | dfu1ob7 | I like this I like this alot. Good job. | rcnfive | 2017-04-04 21:26:09 | 12 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
ozylgl | Early 2019 MR vs 2021 SR+ | Carvana quoted a little over $39K for my March 2019 Midrange a car I paid $40K for back then (black no AP cheapest M3 at the time). Im debating selling and getting into a SR+ but wanted to know what im losing if anything really. You cant find modern numbers for range and 0-60 but I think its the same ish? So im losing floor mats rear heated and a few speakers but gain AP new dash heat pump HW3 etc. Anything im missing? I have to pay sales tax again and Dest Doc of course. | MolotovMan1263 | 2021-08-07 18:28:40 | 52 | h83b5xy | I have a 2021 SR+ (delivered in March). My thoughts: - you can enable the rear-heated seats for $300. (Via software) - you re right that floor mats and some speakers are missing (honestly though the sound system is still really good). And you are getting HW3 and AP (I do like AP for road trips quite a lot) - the power trunk is really nice - they are small changes but I definitely prefer the new materials and design on the interior - cabin noise (at highway speeds) while still high is definitely lower than in my friend s 2018 LR - I know some 2019 MRs had 62kwh batteries… the SR+ battery is around 54kwh. For what it s worth (driving in hot and flat Florida under 75 mph) I am actually still getting about 250 to 260 miles worth of range (based on some road trips) Also maybe I was lucky or maybe the build quality of the cars is going up because it s really great so far. It doesn t creak (like my friend s 2018 LR) either (yet anyway). I pulled the trigger when it was 37 500 and I regret nothing. This is an amazing car. | Mshur | 2021-08-07 20:03:09 | 40 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2o0wx5 | Early Birthday Present! | My birthday present arrived early the wife and I picked up our Model S this weekend! (gray 85 kwh). [Imgur](http: i.imgur.com rO7AYke.jpg) We have about 300 miles worth of joyrides in the two days we ve owned it. Thus far it s been everything we had hoped and more (the speakers and sound were better than expected and the lane assist wasn t available in the test drive). I m looking forward to the adaptive cruise control. We placed the order in late August and confirmed it on 9 2 took delivery on 11 29. Here are the full specs from the purchase agreement: * 85 kWh Battery * Grey Metallic Paint * Body Color Roof * 19 Wheels * 19 Michelin Primacy Tire Upgrade * Black Nappa Leather Seats * Piano Black Décor * Dual Chargers * High Power Wall Connector * Supercharger Enabled * Tech Package (including bumper sensors) * Fog Lamps * Parcel Shelf * Brake Calipers – Black The bumper sensors were an additional list item when we originally made the purpose but since the D event are now included in the tech package. As far as I know we did not upgrade to premium sound (unless that s part of the tech package). Even so it sounds great (much better than our Passat & Jetta) | sharkmandan | 2014-12-02 06:56:00 | 63 | cmirzct | Congrats! Looks great good color choice. | 2050project | 2014-12-02 11:26:56 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
b4jc7o | Early Model 3 owners: how do you feel about your vehicle 1+ years later? | Are you satisfied with the vehicle quality still? Do you wish you had waited until specific issues were corrected? Did you select a color that is no longer available? Do you feel taken advantage of concerning the price changes? How much would you have saved if you ordered now instead of when you did? Would you suggest people wait to order Model Y until deliveries have started? | AgentShabu | 2019-03-23 13:47:09 | 40 | ej6zohl | I ve had mine for almost 9 months. Best purchase of my life. I love it. Had I known about the price changes of have waited to shell out for the performance. But I love my car. It s plenty quick as it is. I m pretty happy with the price drops. I wish they d waited a bit longer and stretched them out over several drops so they could taper down in a less dramatic way while tesla also got to collect higher margins for a while. I m not super up tight about money and I plan on keeping this for forever so I m not too bummed about the lower resale value. A white interior would be cool. | IHeartMyKitten | 2019-03-23 13:56:11 | 62 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
3omc02 | Early Tesla Model S owners (2013 and back). Have the constant software updates made your car noticeably better? | I m a Volt owner and I lament that fact that my car has had one software update and I don t see any noticeable difference in how the car behaves. I know you guys don t get the auto pilot and other hardware dependent updates but the are updates important to your car ownership experience anyway? | cowmix | 2015-10-13 18:48:32 | 19 | cvylasy | early 2013 here.. yes the updates are great. Still hoping for an overhaul of the media app - someday. | maliciousorstupid | 2015-10-13 20:52:16 | 31 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
9z5xmf | Early delivery on Model 3 MR | Apparently a ton of people got a text last night saying to finish your profile to get a new delivery date. My original was scheduled December 5th. I just called local pickup and they re getting me in this Saturday (November 24th). The car is there! Black exterior black PUP 18 wheels no AP at delivery. Day 1 in-line reservation holder. Guess they cranked out a bunch of base shells slapped those MR battery packs in and shipped ASAP to make room for all the before 2019 hubbub going on. | eponerine | 2018-11-21 18:37:03 | 24 | ea6l09x | Can I ask where you re located? Coming up on five weeks since order and still no news | fjlcookie | 2018-11-21 18:53:28 | 18 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
7tlsgn | Early observations of the 3 from an X owner | Just got my 3 last Thursday. Have a 90D. Car is fun to drive I guess .2 seconds slower than the X but it feels like it is slightly faster. Possibly just the feeling of moving around a smaller car though. Got used to the middle screen pretty quick. It s pretty weird at night when the lack of a driver screen makes it pitch black in front of you but that s also probably something I ll get over fast. Have had some Bluetooth syncing issues so far but otherwise build seems good. Hopefully gets solved with updates. The UX of the screen feels a little less intuitive than the X version but perhaps it s just my instincts confusing me as well. Frunk being the same size as a carry-on is a cool feature. The key card phone entry is a great feature and made me think we ll eventually not have keys at all as a civilization.. and Tesla is one of the first to make that a reality. It s nice not having to have bulky keys in your pocket or need to locate those. Overall a pretty great car. Some premium features of the X are definitely missed but that s to be expected for $40k less. I don t think I ll default to wanting to drive the X (now my wife s car) over this one. | goldieLL | 2018-01-28 17:58:10 | 84 | dtdfuqv | > Car is fun to drive I guess You really should wait for all that initial excitement to wear off so you can give us an unbiased review ) | NoVA_traveler | 2018-01-28 18:18:09 | 68 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
72wdma | Early pre-orders of model 3: is 1st year drive practically free? | Crazy question since the tax credits will run out in early-mid 2018 and the 3 will still be in very high demand in the fall of 2018 can those who receive theirs this year basically sell it after a year for the same $ s they paid minus tax credits (which are comparable to a 20% depreciation)? | jintoku | 2017-09-27 23:58:28 | 15 | dnlsfh2 | The tax credit (under current law) do not run out in mid 2018. The expectation at the moment is full $7500 credit until July 1 2018 then $3750 credit till 12 31 18 then $1875 from 1 1 19 through 7 1 19. (Unless the law changes) | neoforce | 2017-09-28 00:09:52 | 23 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
i7rgzo | Early sign of potential MCU1 failure (2018 MX)? | Went out to lunch with the family yesterday... we basically took food and ate in the car. Drive to restaurant was 30 minutes. On the way back the nav directions started to lag. Almost immediately after that - the music started skipping - like an old school CD. I tried to pause and unpause but it was stuck paused. I got some errors on the binacle screen - Autopilot safety and convenience features not available until next drive. Also Passenger Air bag on . MCU Screen went black about 5 minutes later and the AC stopped. Cue the big Tesla logo and everything rebooted and went back to normal. I m going to call support and have them check logs etc... I ve been on the fence about the MCU2 upgrade. **If this is an MCU1 fail does anyone know if they replace with another MCU1? Can I pay the difference for an MCU2? Should I just suck it up and pay the MCU2 upgrade?** I can only imagine the inconvenience that would happen if this was far from home a holiday weekend with some sort of schedule with places to be. | Alpha_Tech | 2020-08-11 13:06:38 | 12 | g16bxj1 | Been having the same issues for the last few weeks. What you described happened as I was actually driving to the SC for an unrelated appointment. They couldn t find anything wrong. Locked up again when I picked the car up - again they could find nothing. Since then it s done it another 4 times and as they suggested i documented the times it occurred. I have another appointment with the SC next week so have officially asked them to dig into it. But i suspect the reason they can never find a reason is because the part that s failing is the part that they store the logs... | sparkstack | 2020-08-12 02:55:17 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
312cm8 | Early thoughts on 6.2? | Has anyone installed 6.2 yet? Curious if you have noticed the updates and any improvements that you didn t expect? | teslafolife | 2015-04-01 15:13:04 | 12 | cpxy64o | Who will be the first one to aim there car at a brick wall and see if emergency braking works? | majerus1223 | 2015-04-01 16:42:40 | 13 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
3h09rr | Early-access Model S drivers will get Autopilot on August 15 (tomorrow). | Elon stated August 15th on the last earnings call. So expect November 1st 2015 on *TeslaTime*. Kidding aside a Non-Disclosure Agreement is likely in effect so we may not see much of anything yet. But there *may* be some throwaways around... [Maaaybe](http: i.imgur.com DFVtLQ9.gif).... Some extra info from [InsideEVs](http: insideevs.com tesla-model-s-software-update-enable-highway-autosteer-parallel-autopark-almost-ready-release ) | 110110 | 2015-08-14 18:35:44 | 47 | cu32jpe | They were also told end of June at one point then end of July now Aug 15th. So early access should get it by end of Aug early Sept... Because Elon is always 3-6+ months off on timelines. Cross your fingers actual owners get the release by Oct Nov. A full 1+ year from the P85D event where this was all announced and advertised. Tesla s advertising and promising of this stuff is a clear example of the standard over promise under deliver bullshit we have seen over and over and over. Why can t Elon just be realistic about timelines? As you can see I m a little pissed about the whole situation...especially with the website saying the cars will have this tech for a long time. It s misleading to potential buyers. | dieabetic | 2015-08-14 18:44:16 | 10 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7w6gak | Earnest questions For Model 3 Waitlisters from a TSLA shorter | I took a small short position in Tesla before earnings announcement. I think the company is pretty neat but overvalued. While doing my research I came here also followed the vin bot some other things. What follows are some basic observational questions I d like some earnest answers to. Please don t consider this a troll. Why are you waiting for more than 3 (perhaps 4 or 5) years for a $37k car that competes with a buy it today electric car from GM that goes for $35k before incentives? What s the draw? Is it sunk cost fallacy? Is it fanatical belief? Are you hoping the car will be better when you get it? Why do you want an electric car when you can get an equivalent low cost gas powered car for half the cost? Does GM s electric car not offer what you want? Are you concerned about Tesla not delivering quality workmanship? EDIT: Let me try to rephrase the Bolt specific questions a different way: How much longer are you willing to wait for your model 3 rather than buy another car (gas or electric)? How much more would the model 3 have to be (or the bolt less) for you to seriously consider switching? EDIT 2: I gave a somewhat detailed explanation of my position even thought that was not the intent of the thread: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7w6gak earnest_questions_for_model_3_waitlisters_from_a du0ryun I would like to thank everyone for their responses. I know I m not the sort of person that you guys expect to interact with and think I am trolling you. As an update to my short position so far I have covered what I am in for and the rest is basically riding until I think I ve made enough money. Details are in the link above. It s not as much as I bet you would think :). I do think Tesla makes some great products I simply doubt the current valuation of the company. | tesla_shorter | 2018-02-08 17:27:59 | 58 | dtxvogr | > Why are you waiting for more than 3 (perhaps 4 or 5) years for a $37k car that competes with a buy it today electric car from GM that goes for $35k before incentives? Why wait for the Galaxy S9 when the S8 is available for the same basic price today? It s better. I want the 3 more. It s not ugly. Same reason as the other 3094 purchasing decisions we make all the time. > Are you hoping the car will be better when you get it? Better than what? > Why do you want an electric car when you can get an equivalent low cost gas powered car for half the cost? Because I want an EV and anyway I d very much disagree that an equivalent car is half the cost. Equivalent on what? Size? Number of seat belts? They didn t drop an electric motor into a ford focus. Love it or hate it it s tip to tail unlike anything else. There s no $17 500 ICE car that can get OTA updates to be continually improved has any level of self driving as a possibility has an interior anything like the 3 and so on. > Does GM s electric car not offer what you want? It s ugly lacks autopilot a network to charge on the go (though I think this is less of a big deal than some it s something) and so on. I d be lying if I said there s no part of me that sees people getting these on a $120 a month lease and thinks well...shit the 3 isn t worth 6 times that though. > Are you concerned about Tesla not delivering quality workmanship? Some. ------------------------- Overall I consider myself a Tesla realist. I m not a nothing they do is ever wrong fan boy I just think this line of questioning gets old. Why would you want an apple when an orange is the same price?!? Because I want an apple or because I don t want an orange. It s not unusual. A person could only see it as such if they ve decided all fruit is the same and that s a goofy starting premise. To view this as all evs are the same so this can only be explained by fanatical brand love is ignoring a lot about the actual situation. That does happen of course but it s not the *only* explanation. We treat them as different cars with different levels of desire because they re different cars with different things to desire. (And frankly for that matter available now isn t that big of a selling point to me and I actually don t know why it should be. A tie breaker sure but if anything making a major life purchase on something you prefer less just because it s available now is the irrational instant-gratification-generation decision.) For the time being the Bolt is the closest we have for a barometer of demand for evs without the cool brand but that doesn t mean this is some kind of take the emblems off the hoods and you can t even tell them apart! situation either. Also *even if it were* the brand does sometimes matter beyond Hipsterism. You can want to support what Tesla is trying to do over a car the old guard made begrudgingly and actively discusses not wanting people to buy it. | vita10gy | 2018-02-08 17:52:04 | 113 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5vfwda | Earnings Call Discussion Thread? | I m sure one of our mods will put something up. I m just **so amped** for ANY news on the Model 3 production features specifications ... any and everything!!! What are you all expecting or hoping for tomorrow? | JohnFitzgeraldSnow | 2017-02-22 02:03:19 | 37 | de1rhm7 | Link to Listen: http: ir.tesla.com events.cfm | a1000wtp | 2017-02-22 02:12:47 | 15 | Tesla Model Sightings |
eeknvq | East Coast Holiday Travelers: Avoid Savannah Supercharger at all Costs. | Just a warning to everyone traveling up and down i95 for the holidays. The Savannah supercharger has two broken bays and the remaining six are degraded with max charging rates of around 40-50kw. With the holiday traffic this resulted in a THREE HOUR line yesterday. Lots of unhappy families with kids charging well past 1AM. Usually I avoid this charger but poor planning on my part necessitated a stop. Unfortunately unless you plan in advance there aren t many alternatives. Hopefully Tesla gets these fixed ASAP or rolls in some temporary chargers. | DrLegoHair | 2019-12-23 13:33:37 | 139 | fbu5u8q | I m sure Tesla will see this and get something expedited. I bet they hate the holidays. Edit: u tornadoradar -- I heard they already have someone there to fix the 2 connectors. | 110110 | 2019-12-23 13:38:18 | 47 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7o4rms | East Coast M3 configuration invite! (Florida Current Owner) | Just got my configuration invite. Estimated Delivery in 4 weeks. Reserved online on the first day Current Model S owner. Delivery in Florida. | bryzzo | 2018-01-04 18:03:44 | 76 | ds6xs6n | For fuck s sake call it a Model 3 not an M3 . | _eL_T_ | 2018-01-04 19:50:01 | 26 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
5fd39t | East Coast trip report: what crowded superchargers? | TL DR: Where are the crowds? No problem doing East Coast road trip on some of the busiest travel days of the year. So I hadn t done a major road trip in several months and I was starting to get a little paranoid that supercharger overcrowding was becoming a thing over here on the East Coast. Here s my supercharger journal for my recent Thanksgiving excursion. Tuesday 11 22: CT to Raleigh NC * 9:00 AM: Paramus NJ. Like the other two SCs I ve been to that are at service centers (Toronto and Dedham being the others) this one **was** super crowded. Lots of local plates and lots of cars being prepped for delivery. 8 stalls and the most open I ever saw was 2. Needless to say I had to share a charge. Service center showroom was nice and had good wifi and a K-cup machine. * 11:50 AM: Newark DE. 12 stalls never more than 3 Teslas at a time. Was expecting it to be more crowded. Wifi in the rest area was super slow. * 1:45 PM: Laurel MD. 8 stalls I was the third Tesla there. This SC is a pain because it s several miles off the highway and the streets are 25mph and have speed cameras. Will never charge there again if I can help it. * 5:30 PM: Glen Allen VA. Holy hell traffic south of DC sucks. Again 8 stalls I was third Tesla there. This one is fairly easy on off and has Barnes & Noble and Panera for food coffee wifi. * 8:20 PM: Rocky Mount NC. 8 stalls I was the only one there. Saturday 11 26. Side trip to Colombia SC and back. * 8:40 AM: Lumberton NC. 4 stalls I was the only one there the whole time. A few restaurant coffee places in walking distance though for some you have to cross a busy street without crosswalks. * 12:00 PM: Columbia SC. 8 stalls. Two were blocked off for line painting. 3 Teslas were charging. One ICE was ICEing. Was able to charge at an unused pair and chat with a few other owners. This was a hotel parking lot so there wasn t much else to do. * 6:20 PM: Colombia SC again. Was the only one there the whole time. * 9:00 PM: Lumberton NC. One Tesla was leaving just as I pulled in so after that I was the only one there the whole time. Sunday 11 27. Raleigh to CT * 8:45 AM: Rocky Mount NC. There were three other Teslas plugged in leaving 5 open stalls. Had breakfast at Texas Steakhouse. * 11:40 AM: Glen Allen VA. Again three other Teslas plugged in 5 open stalls. * 2:10 PM: Woodbridge VA. I was worried about this one but there were only two other Teslas plugged in so 6 open stalls. * 5:00 PM: Newark DE. Was really worried about this one but there were only three others plugged in leaving 9 open stalls to choose from. 8 actually one was ICEd. * 7:30 PM: East Brunswick NJ. 4 empty stalls to choose from. Nasty dirty rest area. Everyone seemed content to leave their trash on the tables rather than throw it out. * 10:00 PM: Greenwhich CT North. 4 empty stalls. These allow 15 minute general parking so I was worried they d be ICEd but they were all open. One was ICEd for 10 mins or so as I was charging. | EatMoarToads | 2016-11-28 17:57:32 | 35 | daj9h28 | Nice. Now come to CA. | dirtyfries | 2016-11-28 17:59:25 | 18 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
720ror | Easter Egg on r teslamotors | Liked the vertically scrolling color changing title in r teslamotors Your work u 110110 ? | ThatIsMrDickHead2You | 2017-09-23 20:38:18 | 12 | dnew6by | -) | 110110 | 2017-09-23 21:22:18 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2xe937 | Easter Eggs... | The James Bond Easter egg find got me wondering if there are any others (besides the volume going to 11)? It would be cool to have a list of found EEs - il contribute once I convince my boss to get me the p85d ) | Jaimedejavous | 2015-02-27 21:24:16 | 10 | cozd6gh | Idk about any other easter eggs. But I do know one that I want added. Yell LANAAAA! while in the car (important that it needs to be a yell so it can hear it over music and such then pause it). Car yells back WHAT! I whisper say Danger Zone. Car plays that Danger Zone bit of the song while the air suspension lowers to as low as it used to go before the tow hitch thing. | Sir_Nameless | 2015-02-27 22:06:56 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8ckdya | Easter egg idea: The Tesla wave . You use it when passing another Tesla driver and it winks the DRLs. | Maybe a short press of both scroll wheels at the same time? | JeffMoore81 | 2018-04-16 02:42:42 | 52 | dxfnucq | I d like to see a ping along the lines of knowing who just passed by.... Not like Bob Smith just passed you but more like whatever the car is named just passed you... kinda gamertag-ish style. So mine would say Ophelia just passed you . I realize there are inherent privacy issues with this so I know it would never happen. | skitch23 | 2018-04-16 03:05:50 | 40 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9flovh | Easter egg in Tesla Account login page | Perhaps this was posted some time ago but I didn t see anything like it in a quick search. When you go to [tesla.com teslaaccount](https: tesla.com teslaacount) [auth.tesla.com login](https: auth.tesla.com login) (from a desktop web browser at least... sorry mobile) the background image behind the login form is the view from the cockpit in a Tesla Semi. Click in the background and it changes showing the view from something a little bit faster (and longer-range). | AirdRigh | 2018-09-13 20:45:18 | 16 | e5xftp1 | Yea it was posted shortly after the launch. Still fun though. | jorobsand | 2018-09-13 21:12:40 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6onj31 | Easter egg screen shows picture of Moon not Mars | Has anyone noticed this already? https: twitter.com eliaseccli status 888370410894630912 | langgesagt | 2017-07-21 12:16:37 | 42 | dkiot0y | Well I guess we re colonizing the moon now | BlargyMcBlargFace | 2017-07-21 12:37:45 | 19 | Tesla Model Sightings |
9mhv10 | Easter eggs | I noticed that long pressing the car icon or the WiFi icon in the model 3 for a few seconds causes an animation just like holding down the T logo at the top of the screen. Not sure if there are more Easter eggs to be found but it seems odd these three icons have a long press animation when All of the other buttons don t seem to do anything when long pressing them. Any ideas? Also anything interesting out there for the model 3 in the secret code area? I tried 007 but it didn t seem to do anything. | quaa | 2018-10-08 19:06:58 | 10 | e7eraws | 007 works only with a submerged vehicles on land it does nothing. | izybit | 2018-10-08 19:37:24 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2wjhou | Eastern U.S. Owners: How did your tesla perform during today s commute? | I m very interested if the tesla battery pack is affected by the single digit cold weather. How noticeable is the impact? | IceUpSon | 2015-02-20 12:28:48 | 15 | corfenq | The ability to pre-heat the car from the app -- anywhere in the world (or deep inside my workplace) is superb. Coworkers are making quick frigid runs to the parking lot (leaving cars ready to be stolen) or leaning as far out windows doors as they can in hopes that their fobs signals will reach. One guy recently went out to find his car had indeed warmed. Coolant line or something was frozen and while it had been fine while driving in to work idling in the lot had caused the engine to overheat and he climbed in to a dash full of warning lights. But I digress... My car is connected to the internet just pull up the app and good to go. There s supposed to be a smart preheat but it was a little too loopy for my liking so I disabled it. Range is definitely affected by cold temperatures (as it is in a gas car though less apparent) but performance is unchanged in cold and there s none of that bone-jarring mechanical clatter from cold parts banging against each other. My Subaru sounds like an old diesel (complete with blue cloud and rich mixture) when started on cold days. The Tesla just eats a little extra battery per mile but is otherwise unaffected IF IT IS PREHEATED. If it isn t preheated the regeneration can be limited or missing altogether (with a warning on the display) which means relying on the huge mechanical brakes. Not a big deal but definitely reminds you that the rolling resistance on this 4800 pound beast is quite low. The brakes are excellent thankfully. Once the battery warms regen is added back into the mixture incrementally. That s probably more than you wanted to know... | TeslaPittsburgh | 2015-02-20 13:30:40 | 34 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7mb11p | Easy Entry in Parallel instead of Series. | I think the new Easy Entry update is great with having to unbuckle the seat belt to have it start working. However I think a great thing would be if it could press all buttons at once in parallel to move the steering wheel seat position seat back at once instead of one at a time in a series. | gnoxy | 2017-12-26 23:00:49 | 14 | drsupu0 | The Model 3 does this. I m sure there s a hardware limitation in the other cars but I hope they improve it if that s not the case. | kodek64 | 2017-12-27 02:09:43 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7tfa8z | Easy entry mode with 2017.50.12 | I thought my easy entry mode in the TM3 was broken after the newest update. However after a little bit of experimenting now it has some actions that are required before activating. The easy entry mode doesn t activate when you go into park like before. Now you must remove your seat belt before the easy entry mode activates. This was a good change for me since I put the car into park to drop someone off I wouldn t want the easy entry activated. Your driver profile is no longer activated when depressing the brake upon entry. It now activates when you put the car into reverse. I don t like this change you have to wait for the seat to adjust before being able to move in reverse. Not sure if people knew about this. | newagedname | 2018-01-27 20:19:06 | 24 | dtc1e4g | Ooh I didn t even know we have easy entry yet. | run-the-joules | 2018-01-27 20:28:35 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5332lr | Easy money if you are completely sure the Tesla-SolarCity merger will occur | Anyone who thinks the Tesla SolarCity merger will occur in the near future can make money relatively quickly. Reference article: [the spread between SolarCity s shares and the offer implied by Tesla s all-stock offer hit a new record of almost 25 percent.](https: www.bloomberg.com gadfly articles 2016-09-16 solarcity-tesla-deal-spread-150-percent-return-no-takers) At this moment: * SolarCity (SCTY) = **$16.89 share** * Tesla s bid (TSLA) = 0.11 * $203.24 share = **$22.36 share** The large gap between the two implies: A) Many shareholders don t think the merger will occur. B) Many shareholders are worried if the merger does occur it will significantly lower Tesla s value. C) Both the above What do you guys think? | goodDayM | 2016-09-16 17:33:48 | 21 | d7pi2r9 | I think there is no such thing as easy money nor a real easy way to predict what the market will do. Also TSLA is a very emotional stock and swings all over the place all the time. You are taking a big risk if you are buying up large amounts at this time IMO. | dieabetic | 2016-09-16 17:35:57 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
fcoud5 | Easy toggle between chill mode and regular | I like driving in chill mode most of the time to extend battery range but there are times when I ll need to do a quick move and want to toggle all available power. It would be great if we could tap the chill mode logo at the top of the screen to quickly toggle it on and off. | B33f-Supreme | 2020-03-03 03:59:06 | 60 | fjc89w6 | I have two profiles set up one with chill one without. You can toggle it like that with two clicks. | sss179 | 2020-03-03 04:55:52 | 23 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
m48x9i | Easy way to enter long passwords? | I want to link up my Hulu Netflix etc. accounts but my passwords are ridiculously complex thanks to my password manager. Is there any way of entering my passwords other than using the touchscreen to type (e.g. copy paste from phone wireless keyboard etc.)? | sperlyjinx | 2021-03-13 15:51:37 | 27 | gqu12qd | I had a backslash \ in my wifi password and the keyboard in the car does not have that key (I checked several languages) . You can also not paste into the password window. I used the speech recognition and said baskslash while the password window was open. Tadaa a backslash was written inside the input field. I felt like a hacker 😂😂 | jandmc88 | 2021-03-13 20:50:50 | 44 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7mopgl | Ebay auction for model 3 ends at $75.1k | https: www.ebay.com itm 2017-Tesla-Model-3-Long-Range 253322828803?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT& _trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649 Might not mean the sale has gone through but has anyone seen other closed sales of model 3s. I see a ton of reservations for sale on ebay but they don t seem to be moving as the fine print on the reservation makes it hard to transfer. | chuckesp | 2017-12-28 19:17:32 | 85 | drvikww | Most likely sold to eBay user: GeneralMotors1908” | redditnoob67 | 2017-12-28 19:40:03 | 64 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6lg31c | Economists of r teslamotors -- how will the expiration of the $7500 tax credit affect S and X prices? | I think the assumption on this board is that Tesla sets the price where it wants but obviously there is a profit-maximizing price that Tesla is aiming for and if the effective cost to consumers goes up then the profit maximizing price Tesla can charge has to go down. My guess is that you ll see many more options loaded into the lower trim levels (maybe eliminate the RWD model and make most all of the premium package standard) and add even higher-end trim options to get as much money as possible from those with cash to burn. Thoughts? | garthreddit | 2017-07-05 18:53:25 | 16 | djtjp1o | The expiration of the tax credit will actually cause S and X sales to jump between 10 and 30 percent as people jump on the chance to receive the full $7500 credit before it expires. After that there will be a short slump as the credit drops to $3750. If the slump is bad enough Tesla will simply discount the vehicles by a couple thousand diollars. Then once more when the credit zeroes out. The $5k or so discount will be offset by more streamlined manufacturing of the S X lines and battery cost reductions. My real concern is that if the Federal tax credit is continued by the other manufacturers Tesla will have an uphill battle in 2019 2020 when those offerings come online and with the full 7500 credit still applying. I don t think Tesla s battery manufacturing advantage can eliminate the price disparity of not having that credit while competing directly with the big marquee brands. | manbearpyg | 2017-07-05 19:03:01 | 24 | EV Tax Credit Impact |
5c4lfz | Edmunds Model X Review | I d love to know people s feedback about some of the reviews left about Model X on Edmunds. Any feedback about the windshield causing overheated interior? Reliability feedback? Unfortunately the car is rated 2.8 5 on their website do you think that 2.8 is truly representative? Here is the link: http: www.edmunds.com tesla model-x 2016 suv review | GT9900 | 2016-11-09 23:43:06 | 17 | d9tr9v3 | Tip: Don t downvote because you disagree with the review. That s not how Reddit works. | lesta09 | 2016-11-10 02:12:26 | 10 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
li6kom | Edmunds test results skewed | & #x200B [Edmunds table sorted by temperature](https: preview.redd.it 8c2gsuk730h61.png?width=1719& format=png& auto=webp& s=5b92a313d5158ef3a09834516a28eb2ed4172a2c) I agree with Edmunds that Teslas don t reach their claimed range (mine doesn t) at highway speeds. However that doesn t mean Edmunds testing is done fairly. Their test contains several obvious flaws: temperature being the worst. Nobody can take these results seriously with such a wide range of temperatures where temperature is THE factor influencing range. I added the presence of a heat pump for the various models and behold: not reaching your range is highly correlated to not having a heat pump. Only the Ford and Model Y deviate. Other unknown and influencing factors: a 2018 Tesla has at least 5% degradation and yes that car scores worst by about that figure. Things like wind precipitation car settings (Taycan was on Eco mode) rims tires and so on are all missing from the equation. So: Dear Edmunds we NEED tables like these but please give us an apples to apples comparison and be complete with your reports. I therefore request a standard set of range tests: 70mph @ 70F and @ 30F (at least) Where range equals real world achievable range from 100% SoC to 20% SoC. P.S. Taycans extremely low EPA rating was a choice by Porsche to conduct the 3x cycle + a 30% penalty in stead of the 5 cycle testing. We know it s off and we know the Taycan is great & has great range at highway speed. | ZetaPower | 2021-02-12 07:58:31 | 37 | gn1f1ka | To me the most excruciating thing is they chose only the least efficient Teslas or the short range Model 3 (pre-heatpump). Suspicious that the 402mi range Model S isn t on here or the 352mi Model 3 (with heatpump). Just all of the performance ones. Meanwhile they chose the non-performance Taycan 4S with a 0-60 slower than even the non-performance Model S base. Cherry pickers will be cherry pickers. | QuornSyrup | 2021-02-12 08:19:40 | 40 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
dzok0q | Effect of 2020 Toyota RAV4 PHEV on Model 3 and Y | Hi I am keeping a keen eye on the Model Y development. I currently drive a newer Subaru Forester but due to the amount of city driving I do I d like to consider an EV for the future because I d much rather get the \~120 eMPG from a Model 3 or Y! At a minimum I feel like I need to consider a PHEV or full EV. I m just tired of having to replace my cars after around 100k miles because of engine transmission or other issues that start to fail after that milestone. The one perk I like about the Toyota RAV4 Prime is that it has the temporary spare tire in the back. I don t know if the Model Y will actually consider this as an option but considering people have said they ve waited hours for a tow truck I d much rather change the tire in 15 minutes and be on my way. I do need space for cargo and I regularly have my kids in the back of my car. I believe the Model 3 would be a little too small for me but considering the Model Y is really only a few thousand dollars more I think this is more of an ideal candidate for me. What effect do you think the RAV4 prime is going to have on the Model Y if any? I suppose I could argue that the Y is in more of an upscale luxury market but if the RAV4 can provide me nearly 40 miles of EV range before needing to kick over to gas that easily covers nearly my entire daily usage. Driving Habits: * 10 miles about 5 highway and 5 very urban city driving 5 days a week. * About 1 mile each way to from school to either pickup or drop off kids * About 2-5 miles each way a few times a week to sports practices. * I coach one of their teams so I regularly carry equipment in my trunk cargo hold. * Current MPG in my Subaru Forester is about 24 mpg combined city highway. Taking regenerative braking into account I am expecting somewhere between 100 - 120 eMPG. Hypothetical Charging Habits: * No charging at work presently (they re researching if this is feasible for the future. * Use of a 120V 15A outlet adjacent to garage that would be used to charge. (If I buy a Tesla I would upgrade this to 240V 30A at minimum depending on what we can do with my electric panel.) * Upgrading electric panel from 100A to 200A would cost around $2000 and the cost of running a 240V NEMA 14-50 circuit to the outside of the house would be around an additional $1000. So factor around $3000 to the cost if pursuing a Tesla and the panel had to be upgraded. I think I would be okay with the 240V 30A charging speed if it was possible. (That would be 7.2 kW compared to 1.8 kW from 120V 15A charging which would be much faster. **Realistically this would be set to a 30A breaker box and tuned down to 24A maximum output which would still charge 22 miles per hour at 5.7 kW.)** * There are a few Superchargers that are within 10 miles of my house but due to battery degradation issues I don t want to have to rely on them regularly. There are also several ChargePoint Level 2 chargers that would charge around $1.50 per hour for a 7 kWh charge rate. & #x200B People seem to be speculating that the RAV4 Prime which would be launched in an XLE and XSE trim would be roughly $4000 more than the ICE equivalent. Also since these are the first Toyota PHEV s with a large battery pack they re apparently eligible for the $7500 tax credit. In my state (NJ) EV but not PHEV s are excluded from the sales tax (6.625%) on purchases. They re also eligible for a 10% discount on toll roads which wouldn t necessarily make-or-break the decision but it would add up over time. Electrical cost here in NJ is pretty cheap from the utility I am looking at 15.5 cents per kilowatt hour which includes delivery charges (there s also a mandatory $5 connection fee). I am looking at solar in the next couple months which will hopefully help to offset the extra demand associated with an EV as well. & #x200B I m not sure if I m calculating this properly but I m assuming the RAV4 has a 17 kWh battery pack that means if completely empty it would cost me 17 kWh s to charge it which would cost me 15.5 cents \* 17 = $2.635 in electricity to fully charge the battery pack right? I suppose $2.64 to go 40 miles is better than the cost of gasoline here which costs about $2.40 to go 24 miles. But it s a far cry from the 120 eMPG that comes from a Model 3. & #x200B Again ideally I would like a Model Y which custom built looks to be around $52 000 including the MSM paint and LR AWD model (non-performance) but also doesn t include the documentation and delivery fees. So that would be $53 200 but again at least no NJ sales tax. Whereas the RAV4 Prime would potentially come in around the $35000 mark with a $7500 tax credit. & #x200B Thanks for your thoughts. & #x200B Link is below for the RAV4 Prime reveal at the LA Show: [RAV4 - Alex on Autos - YouTube](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=f0YgGMlsMOc) | Pilot1226 | 2019-11-21 19:35:51 | 24 | f8923vo | Get the RAV. At ~half the price with your (local) use case and the ease of service if needed that s the better move despite the horrible energy efficiency of the RAV compared to the Y. | 404davee | 2019-11-21 19:47:07 | 28 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
binr6r | Effective cost to own FSD should be lower with Tesla insurance. | There are indications that Tesla will introduce lower priced car insurance next month. Having FSD option should result in lower premium and will result in lower accident rent. 1) Insurance discount: likely that FSD will result in at least 5% or more discount in insurance premium. Assuming $1500-$2000 annual premium a 5% discount will save $750-$1000 and 15% discount will save $2250-$3000 respectively over the next 10 years. 2) additionally fewer accidents: Independent study on autonomous cars say that advanced autonomy cars like FSD will reduce 45% accident on highways and 30% on city roads. Over years your accident and claim rate will drop sharply keeping your premiums and deductible cost low. This means the lower cost can be passed on more to the FSD customers in future. TLDR: a significant cost of FSD will be offset by lower insurance cost and accident rate. | praslee | 2019-04-29 10:06:51 | 20 | em25a7a | So if insurance prices take a deep dive then it would make the effective cost of FSD upgrades cheaper... wow didn t think of that. And if Tesla offers the insurance then it ll be cheaper for them to repair rather than going through insurance hassles and they re doubling down on the fact that their cars are safer than humans. | influbit | 2019-04-29 14:14:57 | 9 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
4vpyak | Effects of aggressive driving on range? | Hello My question is for current owners. What is the effect on range of for lack of a better term aggressive driving? By this I mean things like hard acceleration up to the posted limits 120-130km h highway and hard braking (I m hoping this would help mitigate the acceleration. Thank you | pottertown | 2016-08-02 01:15:51 | 21 | d60gt49 | I floor my car every chance I get. It destroys range. In an hour trip of highway and side roads you could burn up 15-30 miles of range. Highway driving with some aggressive passes would probably knock off around 10-15 miles of range. | clarkbariowa | 2016-08-02 01:53:06 | 11 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
a90kh8 | Efficiency drastically improved by turning AC off | 6 weeks ago I received my Model 3 and since then I was always a little rattled about my efficiency. I would say I m driving right on the speed limit a lot of city driving (3-5 mile distances) and my commute is 12 miles all highway (65-70mp h). However my average for the last 1200 miles is about 264 wh mi. I read so many posts about people getting in the low 200 wh mi and never figured out why. Until today! & #x200B After I turned off AC my wh mi went from \~260 for city driving to \~205-210 wh mi. Do others see the same improvements? Does AC really make this much difference? Some background about the climate where I live: During the day it is 62-65F. The AC was always set to 70-72F on auto. | jays6491 | 2018-12-24 01:45:22 | 19 | ecfijvu | Did you turn off the climate control or the AC? The AC shouldn t make a huge diff but the heater does. | run-the-joules | 2018-12-24 01:52:37 | 11 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
92n699 | Egregiously Negative “Delivery” Experience at Fremont Delivery Center. Not sure how to proceed. | On Monday July 23rd I had scheduled my delivery appointment at for July 26th 2:45 PM at the Fremont Delivery Center. As a day one reservation holder I was ecstatic to finally get my Model 3. In the days before I had secured financing through DCU at the recommendation of many on the subreddit. I had even confirmed with my owner advisor that the check from DCU would be sent to Tesla by Tuesday the 24th and was able to track the check and see that it was in fact received on that day. Making the appointment I noted that the birthdate on file was off by a single digit so I contacted my ISA multiple times hoping to have it updated within the system. Only on the scheduled delivery day was it correctly updated. During my correspondence with the ISA I had been reassured that there was nothing outstanding on my end and that I had the all clear for delivery. Given the green light I made arrangements to take time off work and have family members give me a ride so that I could drive back in my shiny new Model 3! Living in the East Bay I made my way over to the Fremont Delivery Center making it a point to be there early just in case there was any hiccups. As we pull up to the lot I see a sea of brand new Model 3 s being prepped for delivery. I check in with the staff in the parking lot at 2:40 PM and I m asked when my scheduled appointment was. Once I replied 2:45 PM they let me know that they are running behind and that it may be 60-90 minutes before we are seen but we would be able to hang out in the lobby area until we receive a text that the delivery specialist is ready for us. I walk into the lobby and there is a large crowd. The espresso bar is shut down and there is nothing left besides a water dispenser and a few rice crispy treats. To make matters worse there was no AC running in the building as it was warm and muggy inside. To pass the time I look around at the merch and displays set up around the area and eventually sit down. Roughly an hour passes and I break away from my family members to go to the parking lot in hopes of finding my car by VIN. I walk out to the lot and there it is! My exact VIN all shiny and new! Excited I start to inspect the car... A cursory glance and I see that the frunk is severely misaligned.. Ok I think to myself that can be adjusted. Then as I make my way around the car I notice that the rear drivers side door protrudes out about 5mm past the body panel behind it... That oughta be tougher to fix.. Then I make my way to the rear of the car and noticed that the charge port door is both scratch and cracked.. ok that can be replaced... then I make my way to the passenger side front door and I noticed that the lining beneath the leather of the door panel is sticking out and has been pulled out by the window. All minor issues but issues nonetheless that are unacceptable on a car of this price point. As I m considering my next move my phone buzzes and I think to myself oh this must be the text stating that it is time for delivery. I then checked my phone only to see that I have been emailed my final MVPA... an hour past my scheduled delivery appointment. Confused I went up to the front desk and asked them why I would be sent that at this point. The man at the front desk looks at me and says he s wondering the same exact thing. He then looks over my file as I give him my VIN and asked me “do you have the check from financing?“. I responded no it was sent to Tesla by DCU and showed him the tracking information. He then informed me that he needs a picture of the check in order to verify the amount that I had financed. Confused I show him the evidence of my loan. He then says he ll investigate the situation for me and to go take a seat. 20 minutes go by and I receive a call where the front desk person informs me that apparently DCU sent the check to Tesla however it was not signed by me and because of that they sent it back to me overnight and it was now at my address they had on file as of Wednesday morning. Unfortunately I had put my vacation property as the address on file (tax purposes) so now the check is two hours away in Carmel on my doorstep with no one to get it. Because of this he lets me know that they cannot give the car to me unless I ship back the signed check to Tesla in Fremont ... At this point I am livid I received not one call email text smoke signal anything to indicate to me that there was something wrong with the check or that I would have to sign it for any reason whatsoever. Given the fact that I even asked my ISA is everything was A-ok it just seemed ridiculous that I still ended up falling through the cracks. To add insult to injury it s been close to two hours in this hot and crowded delivery center and no one had the due diligence to check on my paperwork to make sure everything would go smoothly. I then ask the gentleman who was helping me if there is anyone I can speak to who can help me because at this point I am so angry and disappointed I can t help but feel like I should be reimbursed by my time. As I am fuming in the lobby I actually received a text saying that my delivery was ready to start and to meet a delivery specialist under a large tesla logo. I go to meet here there and she says “I m trying to find your paperwork but we don t seem to have anything on file for you... at this point I just chuckle and tell her that it s ok it s not gonna happen today and to go to next person. The delivery manager comes out and apologizes explaining to me that there was a recent change to the MVPA system and for that he is sorry but this new system should be much better than the original. I then explain to him it s not about the MVPA it s the fact that no one communicated to me that there was some issue with the check all that would have needed to happen was someone from Tesla finance reach out to me and say “hey we need a signature where can we send you this check to sign to have for delivery” or even at the least a “hey let s reschedule there s been a few bumps in the process”. He then proceeds to explain to me that “While working at a rapidly expanding company is exciting there s definitely a challenges we face because of that and this is an example of that but we would be more than happy to reschedule this appointment”. Being a die-hard Tesla stan I could see where he was coming from but being someone who took a half day off work and had my family members do the same only to be turned away it felt like such a cop out explanation for dropping the ball so aggressively. Now I am even angrier so I bring up the fact that on top of completely playing me and wasting my time that the car is not in reasonable condition for a brand new car and that if I have to wait and come back on another day that I want a completely new car one that at the least is in slightly better shape. He then tells me that if I do that it will be another 6-8 weeks for that and that because all Model 3s are passed through the same quality control there s no guarantee that a new one would be any better. He then suggests that we walk outside so we can discuss if these issues can be repaired. In my heart I knew that the 6-8 weeks was BS. I highly doubt that an RWD with Aeros is in short supply We go out to the car and as expected he says that all of this can be fixed and will be before I take delivery. At this point I give him the benefit of a doubt and say “ok fine but if I find that a single issue is still there I will fully reject it”. At this point he suggests to me that at this point he can either have the car shipped to the Seaside Tesla so I can get the check from Carmel or I can have it driven to Dublin Tesla or my house in the East Bay. Being so mad I am unable to decide and ask him that I am followed up with later so I can have time to get the check and have everything arranged. I leave and get caught in the standstill traffic of Fremont at 5:00 PM with my two family members who are even more disappointed than I that they wasted the time to come out only for me to not get the car and to now be stuck in traffic. In the end I did receive a call back the next day but I have yet to respond to reschedule delivery and ensure that all the issues with the car will be fixed. I still am not sure if I want to go back to Fremont or have it driven to me (which for some reason really does not appeal to me). Honestly the whole negative experience was so draining and has left me so disappointed that I am genuinely 90% less excited about this than I originally was. While everyone apologized profusely I have no guarantee that I won t have to go through this again. The more I think about it the worse it gets. What if I had never spoken to someone at the front desk? Would I have just sat there like a log and have been turned away? Why didn t they contact me about the check? Why didn t they confirm that I had the MVPA? Why wouldn t they call me in advance to let me know that they were running a full two hours behind? Though many had good intentions my time was wasted and it s clear that nothing good will come of this and that I will just have to eat the financial loss I took in order to come out with my family members and pick up this car. At this point all I can hope for is that Tesla s communication improves in the coming months and that they actually use my situation as one to learn from so that no one else has to get played like I was. It s clear that there is minimal communication between teams and in any organization that is a huge issue. Apologies for the essay but I needed to vent. What do you guys think? How should I move forward at this point? TLDR: I drove out to Fremont was not seen for 2 hours and was turned away. To make matters worse I was never notified that there was any issue until 2 hours after my scheduled delivery time P.S. It appeared that all of the other white RWDs being delivered all shared that same flaw with the rear drivers side door protruding out. Maybe something going wrong on the line? | HellaSaucy | 2018-07-28 16:02:44 | 122 | e36wi1r | To the readers his main issue was in paragraph 9 of 18. You re welcome. *I apologize for the length of this letter. I didn t have time to make it shorter.* \-- **Blaise Pascal 1657** | venture70 | 2018-07-28 16:20:03 | 122 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
duyo0s | Eight months 18.5k miles one giant road trip and two crashes in: I love this car and here are my thoughts. | I ordered my AWD Model 3 in mid-February of this year and received it on March 2nd. Due to the price changes in that time I was able to get FSD for the original price that I expected to pay. My first few months I had a ton of fun driving it around - taking every excuse I could to drive it. My car was delivered with no issues and I everything went smoothly other than receiving two marks on my rear bumper while street parked that Sentry mode didn t catch. After graduating from college in June I set out in early July on a 3.5 month and 15 500 mile road trip. I started off in Maryland and drove straight to Maine in one day. After Maine I explored a lot of New England then shot west to Seattle then down to San Diego up through Albuquerque to Denver then to Austin and back east through Nashville and Asheville. Along the way I visited 106 breweries and many national state parks. On the whole it was an incredibly effortless road trip. I let autopilot drive about 90% of the way and only had one bad instance of phantom breaking while I was in Albuquerque which easily could ve resulted in me getting rear ended. There were a lot of incredibly fun roads to drive which I can tell you about and I spent two hours going back and forth on tail of the dragon. For the most part I had no issues with charging and stopped at several dozen superchargers along the way. My main complaint as far as that is the number of superchargers near national state parks. At Glacier National Park I had to spend a night outside it charging at a free level 2 charger while I slept and couldn t explore too much while still getting back to the closest supercharger that day. I also had similar trouble with Mt. Rainier Crater Lake and the Grand Canyon wherein I had to plan ahead if I wanted to stay the night and was limited on how much I could explore with a day trip. I would ve liked to see Carlsbad Caverns but would have had to spend the night there at an RV park or other level 2 charger due to a lack of superchargers in the area. My only complaint over the course of owning this car is that it has been a crash magnet. Other than the previous two unexplained marks it s been crashed into twice in the last month while parked. The first time was while I was in Austin towards the end of my trip when my cousin s wife [backed into it](https: i.imgur.com sAmMeTq.mp4) while taking their kids to school. This caused [fairly minor damage](https: i.imgur.com vA6onnJ.jpg) resulting in the replacement of the driver s side front fender the driver s side headlight and the front bumper. Luckily Tesla was able to do the repairs themselves and if not for insurance being slow to mail a check it would have been completed within a day. Their insurance paid for everything and I m currently figuring out a diminished value claim. The second time occurred after I got back. Three nights ago while my car was street parked in west Philadelphia I was notified at 3:50am that my alarm was going off and ran outside to find [this damage](https: i.imgur.com VDh4DY9.jpg) from a hit-and-run. I immediately called the police and while [sentry mode captured it all](https: i.imgur.com VYH6frd.mp4) it seems the plates didn t match the car and the car was likely stolen. I had to file this with my uninsured motorist coverage but I didn t have to pay a deductible out of pocket and it looks like it will be fully covered. Other than the accidents I ve absolutely loved the car and can t imagine owning any gas car again. Someday I want to get a test drive in a 911 or an F-type to see if gas cars are fully ruined for me but unless I was spending $500 000+ I can t see myself buying anything not electric. While my car was in the shop for the last accident I had a Hyundai Tucson loaner and did not like it at all. My Model 3 has been incredibly cheap to run needed no maintenance other than tire rotations service has been easy and is far and away my favorite car that I ve ever driven. | broccoliflowers27 | 2019-11-11 20:44:12 | 96 | f79cwqf | Wow that hit and run was crazy! Glad I park in a garage. | courtlandre | 2019-11-11 20:56:16 | 38 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
atn3w3 | Either Consumer Reports is bad at math or I am.... | From the Consumer Reports Model 3 reliability information for subscribers broken down by category: https: i.redd.it g8e38281t6i21.png So if I m understanding this right Model 3 has no problems with the drivetrain gearing suspension wiring climate system suspension brakes body integrity or power equipment paint & trim & electronics are good & body hardware is decent. And therefore all summed together: the car is bad. & #x200B .... huh? | KarenRei | 2019-02-22 21:28:27 | 231 | eh2589h | I ll reiterate a couple things Rob Maurer noted on the Tesla Daily Podcast. > Inconsistencies on paint makes the car unreliable ? > And not recommending a vehicle with the highest-satisfaction rating for other potential owners is interesting. But either way imo Tesla needs to always step things up with QA across the board and post-sale service as another user well noted. The screen issues people have absolutely apply to unreliability. Though I personally haven t seen it a lot on here. They are not perfect and we d be wrong to say or act like they are. | 110110 | 2019-02-22 21:36:22 | 100 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
6i1gou | Either my Tesla charger or the receptacle shorted out. Here are the pics. Open to theories and advice. | I plugged in my car last night nothing unusual. Woke up this morning and wondered why I hadn t received my usual Tesla app alert that charging had completed. I try to initiate charging a couple of times from the app. It starts the process displays the Volts then fails. I go outside and find this: http: imgur.com a 0BC48 (album w 4 pics) What I ve done so far: reached out to the electrician who installed the outlet (a guy that I ve worked with professionally for years old-timer super experienced). He was even kind enough to take my call on a Father s Day Sunday. He was confused and couldn t understand why the breaker didn t trip. Based on my explanation and cell phone pics he believes the Tesla charging cable is fine and just the receptacle needs to be placed. I also sent the pics to my local Tesla service station. Of course this happens on a Sunday when everything is closed. Does anyone have any thoughts as to how why this happened? I know the outlet will need to be replaced but what about the Tesla charging cable? Or do I just need a new adapter for the cable? The car is 2 years old and just went through its 25K service but any chance of it being an issue with the vehicle? Edit: I appreciate all the feedback! I m learning that this type of outlet was not designed for frequent unplugging and plugging back in. My HOA wouldn t approve the HPWC two years ago but I ll see if they budge now. Otherwise I may just get the corded mobile connector + cable organizer which would stay plugged into the outlet at all times. I ve seen a lot of owners using recommending a similar setup to what I had and the Tesla folks gave me the thumbs up when I ran it by them. Just keep in mind if you go the route I went have a dedicated cable plugged into it w cable management. Don t do what I did and plug in your mobile connector into the outlet every few days. | nostradx | 2017-06-18 19:21:18 | 51 | dj2rrkj | 1. Potentially worn down socket depending on the quality and the number of insertions. 2. Potentially sub-gauge wire and or not not torqued down enough. The wire sinks heat away from the contacts it must be of adequate gauge and tightness to do so. Should not be using less than 6 AWG copper. Experienced electricians often cheat with 8 AWG because it is allowed and it works for the usual thing plugged into those sockets ovens. 3. Both | EOMIS | 2017-06-18 19:42:25 | 34 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9rsvej | Electrek does the same as journalists producing FUD | Hey! This might completely remove my karma but here goes. Now that Electrek started producing articles for the personal gains of Fred what is the actual difference compared to other media? What is the difference in writing attack pieces because you want your own money back or because someone paid you (or your company) and to write it? Both are biased reporting done for some sort of personal gain. Tesla had operated like this for years but where had the crying from Electrek been then? Only when Freds money is in the line the articles start coming. And yes I got my S before they included premium pack this year for a lower cost so I paid full price for mine. I am not crying for any money back. What are your thoughts? | OfarligGiraffe | 2018-10-27 08:52:09 | 555 | e8jiiqk | Probably the most disapponted I ve been of fred and Electric. Horribly childish stuff. Im glad the community agrees on how petty his writing is received. | Alpha-MF | 2018-10-27 10:42:12 | 220 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
b10qjt | Electrek is getting worse and worse. | With the newest headline calling the new position changes as a shakeup how can we possibly call this anything other than FUD clickbait? We have one of the biggest blog writers and current mod of this subreddit writing this shit and it s just supposed to be commonplace in this subreddit? Come on. I comment on this on certain posts but it s getting ridiculous he has no shame and shouldn t be representing the community. | feurie | 2019-03-14 14:06:00 | 1,031 | eiihcyd | I ve stopped actively participating in this community because of Fred being a mod. I used to be in the camp of letting him be a mod but given his behavior over the past year I m in the opposite camp now. It s sad. Fred really lacks any sort of humility. Can t think of any high profile Tesla supporter he hasn t picked a fight with publicly. I was really happy for him when he made it on CNBC. Thought he really deserved and earned that. In hindsight that was his jump the shark moment. Hell I even defended him quite a bit when Alex Roy was writing hit pieces on him. Sorry Fred. You need to wake up and realize that your behavior needs to change. Hope it does. Edit: Typos & thank you kind stranger! | D-egg-O | 2019-03-14 14:51:37 | 512 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
dlmzjz | Electric Car Survey (product development) | Hey r teslamotors I m working on a school project where I need input from electric car owners to gauge interest in a product. Given the limited number of EV owners I know personally I would greatly appreciate if any of you could take 5-10 minutes to fill this survey out- it would be a huge help to my team. Here s the link: https: forms.gle mjYVCpV9arVZcAHVA Thanks for your consideration and time! | Abot_ | 2019-10-22 19:27:42 | 31 | f4s7yv8 | What is wrong with people doing crappy surveys? What if one is 25???? | TheHomoMike | 2019-10-22 20:16:05 | 18 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
hdzhtn | Electric Car Tax Rebates | I was hoping I could get some direction in terms of figuring out tax rebate information. I want to put in a order for a Model Y and maximize tax incentives. I currently reside in California however I am have the option of moving and setting up my home base in a handful of states that I frequent too (I travel more than I would like). 1. Federal Tax Credit. Reading lots of conflicting info. Its a range depending on how many of that vehicle was sold but then I read all of Teslas are run out (not sure how this can apply to the Model Y). 2. Depending on the state there is lets say a $4 000 tax rebate. Does that mean at the end of the year I have to have at least $4 000 in income in that state? 1. I am self employed and generate my income from multiple sources (generally) untaxed and pay an estimate quarterly. | rroarrin | 2020-06-22 19:54:27 | 10 | fvo51c1 | 1. It is based on cars sold by manufacturer. Tesla ran out well before model Y started being sold. | Ihaveamodel3 | 2020-06-22 19:59:07 | 14 | EV Tax Credit Impact |
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