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aq9958 | Bug: No sounds at all after waking up Model 3 | So pretty often generally right after the car wakes up from a sleep it wakes up in a state in which there is no audio whatsoever. And when I say no audio I mean NO audio including emergency alert sounds (blinker click seat belt collision warning autopilot sounds TAKE OVER IMMEDIATELY etc all produce NO sound) & #x200B & #x200B I can usually avoid this by making sure the car is fully awake before putting it in drive but sometimes it does it anyway. & #x200B & #x200B Unfortunately the ONLY way to fix this when it does happen is to stop the car put it in park get out of the car walk away until it locks then walk back to the car. This is pretty unfortunate since I ve usually already left home work and need to either pull over and fix it or sit in silence for the duration of my commute. & #x200B & #x200B Rebooting does NOT fix the problem. & #x200B & #x200B Am I the only one who has this issue or is this a known bug? The issue has been present in every firmware version I ve had up to and including 50.7. It is at minimum a severe inconvenience and also a potential safety issue. | Eldonia | 2019-02-13 17:48:10 | 24 | egecqj8 | Happens to me allllllll the time. (Like more often than not and I have just come to live without a backup cam as it takes so long to wake up) Supposedly will be fixed with 18.52. | Petersonsl80 | 2019-02-13 18:20:15 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
fn4tq8 | Buggy turn signals on 2020.8.1 | Anyone else having buggy turn signals lately? Very often they don t register when I pull the lever. Definetely got way less responsive. Hope it s a software issue. Model 3 is the vehicle | apanali | 2020-03-22 18:50:18 | 18 | fl8181z | YES! I thought I was going crazy! Glad it s not just me | Matt_NZ | 2020-03-22 21:49:03 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
auarve | Bugs and bug fixes changes I ve noticed in firmware 5.4 | First off people who listen to music from USB rejoice! Resume playback is finally here! Music from USB that was played while driving will resume the next time you enter your car. This happened every single time I tested yesterday and this morning (song resumed playback after I woke up this morning). Unfortunately there is still no gapless playback for albums that have songs that blend in together hopefully that comes out in the future. When I tested out Sentry mode I noticed that [these LED lights](https: smile.amazon.com gp product B07GX67STW ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8& psc=1) that I have inserted in the center console to create lighting for the back seats stayed on the entire time. When I turned off Sentry mode they stayed lit until the car went to sleep (much later). This could present itself as a problem if you have Sentry mode enabled because it will light the floor for people to look into your car. I suspect the car is keeping USB ports active with this recent update which would explain why resume playback is finally working for USB music. I also banged on my windows to test how loud the Sentry alarm is but it never triggered maybe I wasn t hitting hard enough (too scared to cause damage). This one is a major fix. I ve only had the firmware for a day and a half so knock on wood but I think some change in sleep wake settings [finally resolved this annoying bug](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments aqkfrs 20195x_software_update_megathread_sentry_mode_dog eggjnqv ) that I ve been having where half the time I entered my car I needed to wait 30 seconds for the screen to reboot in order to see my backup camera and change my driver profile. I haven t experience a reboot since getting the update. | powercorruption | 2019-02-24 18:24:11 | 29 | eh6x4rg | If the passenger touches the screen soon as the driver exists it ll turn back on along with climate control. | TTasteIt_ItBurns | 2019-02-24 19:15:38 | 19 | Spotify Gapless Playback |
863hms | Bugs in latest firmware | I received a new Tesla Model S which they said had the latest MCU. It had a bug where the driver dashboard would shut off while driving. They fixed that with firmware. Now Summon does not work cant reboot car with any button combination that exists wifi does not work. Anyone else experiencing all these bugs with the latest firmware in the newest Model S systems? Version 2018.10.2 74fad9a | mjurek | 2018-03-21 16:32:34 | 19 | dw218lh | Take it to Service. | dirtyfries | 2018-03-21 16:34:14 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
qxjqu9 | Build Back Better act passes the House. Here s what s in it and what s next: | The [Build Back Better Act](https: rules.house.gov bill 117 hr-5376) passed the House vote this morning. I ve compiled what is in the House bill that is relevant to Tesla purchases: # **The process** * The [Bill still has to become a law and it has a long way to go](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=OgVKvqTItto) * BBB now heads to the Senate which had written a different version previously. It ll certainly undergo changes especially with [Manchin opposing the union portion of the credit](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments qruv7i manchin_objects_to_tax_credit_for_unionmade_evs ) * The Senate will make their own changes after the [Thanksgiving break](https: bgrdc.com wp-content uploads 2021 01 2021-Combined-Congressional-Calendar-BGR.pdf) (They get back November 29th) * The Senate also needs to deal with the National Defense Authorization Act which may take weeks. * Democratic leaders hope to get the bill through the Senate back to the House and sent to Biden to sign by the end of the year. # **New EVs** * The car must be acquired on Jan 1 2022 or later (Delivery Date) * The tax credit is refundable this time * Tax credit amount - $7500-8000 for Tesla: * $4000 base credit * $3500 for vehicles before 2027 * $500 for US made batteries * $4500 for union assembly (not Tesla) * A cap of 1 vehicle **per taxpayer** per taxable year * Income caps - The lowest income (MAGI) of the current tax year or previous year can be used: * **Joint Married**: $500k * **Head of household**: $375k * **Single**: $250k * The credit is phased out by $200 for each $1 000 of the taxpayer s modified adjusted gross income as exceeds $500 000 for married filing jointly $375 000 for head of household and $250 000 in any other case. * Vehicle MSRP limits: * **Vans**: $80k * **SUVs**: $80k (Model Y) * **Trucks**: $80k * **Other Sedans**: $55k (Model 3) * They will utilize criteria similar to that employed by the EPA and the DoE to determine class of vehicles. The Model Y is currently listed as a Small Sport Utility Vehicle 4WD on the EPA s site so it ll likely fall under the SUV price cap. * The credit can be at the point of sale starting in 2023 but only a tax credit for 2022 * There are no manufacturer caps this time it just ends on December 31 2031 # **Used EVs** * Base credit of $2000 with an extra $2000 if the battery is 40+ kWh (goes up to 50 kWh in 2027) * Cap of 2.5 gallon gas tank for the extra credit * Credit can t be greater than 50% of the sale price * Sale price cap of $25k * Model year of 2+ years older than the date of sale * Can only claim this credit once every 3 years * Income caps - The lowest income (MAGI) of the current tax year or previous year can be used: * **Joint Married**: $150k * **Head of household**: $112.5k * **Single**: $75k * The credit phases out by $200 for every $1 000 above the income cap * The credit may be a point of sale credit * The used car credit must be the first transfer (after the bill is signed) of the car other than the original purchase # **Misc** * The Alternative Fuel Vehicle Refueling Property Credit was extended until 2031 with the cap raised from $1k to $3k. This covers 30% of the cost of an EV charger and installation * The Energy credit (solar panels) was extended at 30% through 2031. tl dr: Significant progress has been made but we are a ways away from the finish line. | chaud | 2021-11-19 16:24:52 | 503 | hlabemv | Please everyone!! Listen up. This the first of a 5 step process. 2) Next the Senate needs to pass a bill. 3) Then the 2 bills must be reconciled. This is the sausage making step 4) Then the reconciliation bills must be passed by both houses. 5) If it passes then the President must sign it. So boys and girls. At best we have a good framework for the program. Legislation can be messy and patience testing. | JaxDude123 | 2021-11-19 18:35:47 | 97 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
egmg6n | Build Details list Model X Long Range...on a 2016 Model X | Hey ya ll Im finally joining the club and about to purchase a used 2016 P90DL Model X from Tesla when I noticed something odd. One of my build details states the care has Model X Long Range . Does anyone know what that could possibly mean? I thought the Long Range Model X s are only on the 2019 and newer models. Thanks ya ll! | Refamonkey | 2019-12-28 04:57:24 | 20 | fc7jg32 | Must be a typo. P90D is not a long range. As you mentioned that naming convention went into effect in 2019. Hope your 2016 is AP2..... | whatsthisredditstuff | 2019-12-28 05:02:31 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
d6ke7m | Build Routines with your Google Home s Assistant | I ve been neck deep in research as I patiently await my P3D- delivery date next week. I did find one interesting thing that I was surprised didn t have more attention figured I d share with all of you nice folks. This applies to anyone with Google Assistant whether you have a Google home or other Google product with an assistant built in. First to prepare download the google assistant app if you don t have it already and sign in. Then ask your google home to “Ask EV Car to lock the car”. It will give you an error about not being linked. Then open your Google assistant app again and it should prompt you to sign in to your Tesla account. Once you ve signed in you can ask your google home to do almost anything to your car. You ll need to ask Google to “Ask EV Car” to do the task. So here s where it really gets cool. In the Google Assistant app you can set Routines. With one request to the assistant you can complete multiple requests. So for example I have one set up to trigger when I say “OK Google I m leaving”. Google then does the following: 1) Ask EV Car to cool the car 2) Count to 60 (this is the only way I ve found to time delay in a routine) 3) Turn off all of the lights 4) Lock all of the doors 5) Ask Alarm.com to arm the system away 6) Set the home AC to 78 degrees. Obviously this works better when you have more home automation but even if you just tell Google to cool the car a few minutes before you walk out the door you may find it s a helpful feature. Hope this helps some of you! | AutoimmuneDisaster | 2019-09-19 21:11:20 | 49 | f0u0hke | Note that EV Car is a third party app service. You will be giving your Tesla credentials to a third party. Use at your own risk. | coolmatty | 2019-09-19 22:27:46 | 31 | Tesla companion app features |
9m9gyk | Build a Smart USB drive for your Tesla dash cam | # Intro You can configure a Raspberry Pi Zero W so that your Tesla thinks it s a USB drive and will write dashcam footage to it. Since it s a computer you can run scripts on the Pi to automatically copy the clips to an archive server when you get home. The Pi is going to continually: 1. Wait until it can connect to the archive server 1. Archive the clips 1. Wait until it can t connect to the archive server 1. GOTO 1. **Disclaimer**: I don t have Version 9 yet so I can t verify that this will work. I have verified that when files are present in the TeslaCam directory they are archived to my server when I arrive home. I thought I d share now in case you want to play along and you want to start acquiring the parts. I also don t use Linux much so there are likely improvements to be made to these processes and scripts. I welcome your tutelage. # Prerequisites ## Assumptions * You park in range of your wireless network. * Your wireless network is configured with WPA2 PSK access. * You ll be archiving your dashcam clips to a Windows machine and the Windows machine has a stable IP address on your home network. * You ll be setting up the Raspberry Pi using a Windows machine. ## Hardware This is the minimum you need: * A Raspberry Pi Zero W: https: www.adafruit.com product 3400 * A Micro SD card at least 8 GB in size and an adapter (if necessary) to connect the card to your computer. * A USB A Micro B cable: https: www.adafruit.com product 898 If you want to plug your Pi in like a USB drive instead of using a cable get this USB A Add-on Board: https: www.amazon.com gp product B07BK2BR6C ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8& th=1 ## Software Download: Raspbian Stretch Lite: https: www.raspberrypi.org downloads raspbian Note: Bittorrent is dramatically faster than direct download. Download and install: * Etcher: http: etcher.io * Notepad++: https: notepad-plus-plus.org Alternatively any other text editor which is capable of editing files with Unix-style line endings. * Putty: https: www.chiark.greenend.org.uk ~sgtatham putty latest.html # Create your archive Set up a share on a Windows machine to host the archive. These instructions assume that you created a share named SailfishCam . I suggest creating a new user. Grant the user you ll be using read write access to the share. These instructions will assume that the user you ve created is named sailfish and that the password for this user is pa$$w0rd . Get the IP address of the archive machine. You ll need this later so write it down somewhere. You can do this by opening a command prompt on the archive machine and typing ipconfig. Get the IP address from the line labeled IPv4 Address . # Set up the Raspberry Pi These instructions tell you how to get Raspbian onto your MicroSD card: https: www.raspberrypi.org documentation installation installing-images README.md Basically: 1. Connect your SD card to your computer. 1. Use Etcher to write the zip file you downloaded to the SD card. Note: you don t need to uncompress the zip file you downloaded. Watch this to get a shell on the Pi: [Connect to a Raspberry Pi Zero W via USB - No Mini HDMI Cable Needed](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=xj3MPmJhAPU) I ve recreated the instructions for you below. 1. Open the config.txt file on the sd card with notepad++ 1. Add this line to the end of the file dtoverlay=dwc2 1. Add a blank line to the end of the file 1. Open cmdline.txt with notepad++ 1. Find the word rootwait add this text separated by spaces between rootwait and the word following it: modules-load=dwc2 g_ether 1. Create a file named ssh (with no extension) at the root 1. Eject the sd card 1. Move the sd card to the Pi. 1. Connect a micro usb cable to the port labeled USB on the Raspberry Pi and to the PC. 1. On the PC press your Windows key type Control Panel. 1. Open Network and Sharing Center 1. Click Change adapter settings 1. Wait for something labeled USB Ethernet RNDIS Gadget to appear. 1. Launch Putty 1. In the Host Name box enter [email protected] 1. If you get an unknown host error message install Bonjour: https: support.apple.com kb DL999 and go back to step 14. 1. Password is raspberry Now that you have a shell on the Pi you can turn the Pi into a smart USB drive. **Note: You can paste into Putty by right-clicking. No matter where you right-click the content will be inserted at the position of the cursor as if you had typed it in.** 1. Enter the following command. sudo nano etc wpa_supplicant wpa_supplicant.conf 1. Add this block to the bottom of the file specifying the actual SSID of your network and your actual PSK keeping the quotes around both values. network={ ssid= NETWORK psk= PASSWORD } 1. Configure the wifi to ensure that your Pi has access to your network. **Note that this command differs from what s described in the video above.** sudo wpa_cli -i wlan0 reconfigure 1. Run this command ifconfig wlan0 1. Verify that there s an IP address on your subnet assigned. 1. Run: sudo nano boot cmdline.txt 1. Remove the g_ether parameter and the comma preceding it so you have modules-load=dwc2 1. Figure out how much space to allocate for your usb drive. First run this command: size= $(($(df --output=avail | tail -1) - 1000000)) echo $size 1. If the number is negative stop you re using a MicroSD card that s too small. Otherwise: sudo fallocate -l $size K piusb.bin 1. Create a filesystem for the drive: sudo mkdosfs piusb.bin -F 32 -I 1. Create the mount point from which the scripts will copy the clips: sudo mkdir mnt usb_share 1. Create the mount point for the network share to which the clips will be copied: sudo mkdir mnt cam_archive 1. Tell the system how to connect the mount points to actual data: sudo nano etc fstab 1. Add this line to the end of the file. piusb.bin mnt usb_share vfat noauto users umask=000 0 0 1. Add this line to the end of the file. Change the IP address here (192.168.0.41) to the actual IP address of the machine hosting your archive. Change the name of the share SailfishCam to the actual name of the share you created. 192.168.0.41 SailfishCam mnt cam_archive cifs vers=3 credentials= root .teslaCamArchiveCredentials iocharset=utf8 file_mode=0777 dir_mode=0777 0 0 1. Create the credential file: sudo nano root .teslaCamArchiveCredentials 1. Enter this content specifying the actual user name and password for the user you created on the archive machine: username=sailfish password=pa$$w0rd 1. Create the script which will archive the clips: sudo mkdir root bin sudo nano root bin archive-teslacam-clips 1. Enter this content. #! bin bash -eu LOGFILE= tmp archive-teslacam-clips.log function log () { echo $( date ) > > $LOGFILE echo $1 > > $LOGFILE } function mount_mountpoint () { local mount_point= $1 log Mounting $mount_point... local mounted=true mount $mount_point > > $LOGFILE 2> & 1 || mounted=false if [ $mounted = true ] then log Mounted $mount_point. true return else log Failed to mount $mount_point. false return fi } function ensure_mountpoint_is_mounted () { local mount_point= $1 local mount_exists=true findmnt --mountpoint $mount_point > dev null || mount_exists=false if [ $mount_exists = true ] then log $mount_point is already mounted. else mount_mountpoint $mount_point fi } function move_clips_to_archive () { log Moving clips to archive... for file_name in mnt usb_share TeslaCam saved* do [ -e $file_name ] || continue log Moving $file_name ... mv -- $file_name mnt cam_archive > > $LOGFILE 2> & 1 log Moved $file_name. done log Finished moving clips to archive. } function disconnect_usb_from_host () { log Disconnecting usb from host... modprobe -r g_mass_storage log Disconnected usb from host. } function mount_usb_drive_locally () { log Mounting usb locally... mount mnt usb_share log Mounted usb locally. } function ensure_cam_archive_is_mounted () { log Ensuring cam archive is mounted... ensure_mountpoint_is_mounted mnt cam_archive log Ensured cam archive is mounted. } function ensure_usb_share_is_mounted () { log Ensuring usb share is mounted... ensure_mountpoint_is_mounted mnt usb_share log Ensured usb share is mounted. } function unmount_usb_share () { log Unmounting usb share... umount mnt usb_share log Unmounted usb share. } function connect_usb_to_host() { log Connecting usb to host... modprobe g_mass_storage log Connected usb to host. } log Starting... ensure_cam_archive_is_mounted disconnect_usb_from_host ensure_usb_share_is_mounted move_clips_to_archive unmount_usb_share connect_usb_to_host 1. Make the file executable: sudo chmod 755 root bin archive-teslacam-clips 1. Verify that the archive server is reachable by name. Replace archiveserver wth the actual name of your archive server. ping archiveserver 1. If the name isn t resolvable try its IP address. ping 192.168.0.41 1. Create the script which will continually check for access to the archive server and trigger the archival: sudo nano root bin archiveloop 1. Enter this content and then change the value archiveserver on line 4 to the actual network name (or IP address) of the windows machine hosting the archive: #! bin bash -eu # Change the value on the right side of the equal sign to the name of the server hosting the archive. ARCHIVE_HOST_NAME=archiveserver LOGFILE= tmp archiveloop.log function clear_log () { rm $LOGFILE > dev null 2> & 1 || echo } function log () { echo $( date ) > > $LOGFILE echo $1 > > $LOGFILE } function check_archive_reachability () { local reachable=true ping -q -w 1 -c 1 $ARCHIVE_HOST_NAME > dev null 2> & 1 || reachable=false if [ $reachable = false ] then false return fi true } function wait_for_archive_to_be_reachable () { log Waiting for archive to be reachable... while [ true ] do if check_archive_reachability then log Archive is reachable. break fi sleep 1 done } function archive_clips () { log Archiving... root bin archive-teslacam-clips log Finished archiving. } function wait_for_archive_to_be_unreachable () { log Waiting for archive to be unreachable... while [ true ] do if ! check_archive_reachability then log Archive is unreachable. break fi sleep 1 done } clear_log log Starting... while [ true ] do wait_for_archive_to_be_reachable archive_clips wait_for_archive_to_be_unreachable done 1. Make the file executable: chmod 755 archiveloop 1. Make the scripts run at startup: sudo nano etc rc.local 1. Change the very first line in the file to #! bin bash -eu 1. Add this conent before the last line (exit 0): LOGFILE= tmp rc.local.log function log () { echo $( date ) > > $LOGFILE echo $1 > > $LOGFILE } log Running fsck... sbin fsck mnt usb_share -- -a > > $LOGFILE 2> & 1 || echo log Running modprobe... sbin modprobe g_mass_storage > > $LOGFILE 2> & 1 log Launching archival script... root bin archiveloop & log All done 1. Set the configuration for the g_mass_storage module: sudo nano etc modprobe.d g_mass_storage.conf 1. Enter this content: options g_mass_storage file= piusb.bin removable=1 ro=0 stall=0 iSerialNumber=123456 1. Reboot the Pi: sudo reboot 1. Wait for the Pi to show up on the PC as a USB drive. 1. Create a directory named TeslaCam at the root of the drive. 1. Eject the drive. 1. Plug the Drive into your Tesla. | drfrank | 2018-10-07 22:41:56 | 366 | e7czzkt | I think Reddit removed some of your code. This is great stuff but I would recommend GitHub or similar. Post the link and maybe a screenshot of it working to Reddit. | Circuit_Guy | 2018-10-07 23:00:04 | 87 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
4n5ihj | Building New House Model 3 Reserved NEAM 14-50 or 100 Amp HPWC? | So hopefully this question hasn t been asked too many times before or is at-least unique enough it warrants discussion. Here s my situation: * Building a new new home with a 3 car garage (starts April 2017) * Garage will house 1 RV Popup + 2 Cars (one ICE & one Model 3 when it releases) * The RV Popup will need 1 NEMA 14-50 Outlet (50 Amp circuit) * We would like to have a plan in place for our electrician to install the right circuits & outlets from the get go What would people recommend I do plan for outlets and charging for the above scenario? I have a clean slate here & want to future proof as much as I can but not go overboard with an HPWC if it isn t needed (or wont be needed in the future). Don t know if I should have our electrician install: * 2 NEMA 14-50 outlets (both 50 Amps circuits) * 1 NEMA 14-50 outlet (50 Amp circuit) + 1 NEMA 14-50 outlet (and size the circuit at 100 Amps in case of future upgrade to HPWC) * 1 NEMA 14-50 outlet (50 Amp circuit) + 1 HPWC (100 Amp circuit) Other details my wife commutes 100mi round trip currently and would be primarily driving the Model 3 when doing so. I travel far less to work so I ll drive the ICE. The Model 3 will be our first Tesla & in the future I could see us getting a second one so that s also a consideration. At that point we d use the RV Popup NEMA 14-50 circuit for charging as well when it s not needed for the RV (the RV won t need to be plugged in all the time ect...) I just don t know if 100 Amp HPWC will be needed in the future (will NEAM14-50 eventually be antiquated & 100 Amp expected for Tesla cars in the far future?) and I should go ahead and install a 100 Amp circuit (or HPWC) now to future proof the house while we are still constructing (and it is easier). I know no one knows what the future holds but am trying to plan for it anyway. Advice appreciated! | BSizzzle | 2016-06-08 15:13:12 | 18 | d40z02d | If it were me building a new house I d say that s the time to OVERDO it. Retrofitting is a PITA. If you re wanting two connections I d put in the 100A circuit and mount two HPWCs on the circuit. Convenience future proof and style. | daringone | 2016-06-08 15:30:15 | 22 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
6wfvho | Building a Case Against the National Automobile Dealers Association and the Commonwealth of Virginia | Are there any Tesla owners who are also residents of Virginia or who are lawyers who might know what to do after reading the following? ... **Acronyms that I will be using below to make my typing life easier** **KBB** = Kelly Blue Book **NADA** = the National Automobile Dealers Association **PPT** = Personal Property Tax **Background Info** I recently received the personal property tax bill for my Chevy Volt for my time as a resident of Arlington VA earlier in the year. I am now a resident of the District of Columbia (as of July). My car is a 2017 Chevrolet Volt LT (Purchased in July 2016) with just over 12 200 miles on the odometer at the time of writing. Current Kelly Blue Book Trade-in Value is roughly $20 000. **The Phone Call** This past week I called Virginia to report that as of July I was no longer a resident of Virginia. I was told a new PPT bill would be in the mail shortly to reflect a smaller tax liability. However before hanging up I inquired as to why they had valued my Volt at $29 900 – which is a good $8-10k higher than what KBB quotes as the fair market value for my vehicle. I was told that Virginia doesn t use KBB for used car values they use values from the “National Automobile Dealer s Association Used Car Guide.” … which instantly made me suspicious. So I ask the representative to direct me to the part of Arlington County s website where I could find out how to dispute the value given to my vehicle thanked her for her time and hung up. She directed me [here](https: taxes.arlingtonva.us vehicles vehicle-tax-appeals ) **My Subsequent Research** First I wanted to see the specific steps for disputing the inflated valuation for my vehicle. The steps are as follows: *1. Have your vehicle individually appraised by an expert appraiser (e.g. car dealer insurance appraiser car auctioneer or automobile mechanic). The written appraisal must:* *- Be on the appraiser s letterhead - Include the appraiser s name address phone number and signature - Describe the vehicle s condition on January 1 of the assessment s tax year - List the specific conditions that make your vehicle s worth lower than the clean loan value listed in the N.A.D.A. Official Used Car Guide (Eastern January 1 Edition) (e.g. excessive rust body damage missing engine — excess mileage alone is not a sufficient reason) - List each condition that existed on January 1 and the amount that condition contributed to your vehicle s clean loan value reduction* *2. Submit the appraisal and a completed Notice of Appeal of Vehicle Valuation Personal Property Assessment form to the Commissioner of Revenue.* *The Commissioner will review the application then notify you in writing of her decision. Appealing your assessment doesn t guarantee that your personal property tax assessment will be lowered.* I then tried finding my vehicles value on [NADA s website](http: www.nadaguides.com ). What I found is that new car values are super easy to find but used car values are a lot more buried on the page. What s more is that used car values are also hidden behind a $25 paywall. Why are the values that are dictating my tax liability not public information? **My Visits to Dealers** I spent Saturday Morning visiting three Chevrolet Dealers in the DC area. My original plan was to visit 4 dealers asking 2 dealers for appraisals as if I were going to sell the car and the other 2 for appraisals that would meet the standards for disputing the inflated PPT value. (I wanted to see if I would receive the higher NADA value if I asked for an appraisal for tax purposes). That plan quickly fell apart with my visit to dealer number two. (Normal appraisal at Dealer 1 went smoothly and I was given a figure very much in line with KBB value). Upon arriving at the second Chevy Dealership I was directed to a female associate. When I explained that I wanted an appraisal for tax purposes her demeanor changed - she became agitated and downright unhelpful. I was informed that I was the second person in two days to ask for this. She proceeds to log on to her computer and start calculating a KBB value not even wanting to walk outside to look at my Volt. I told her that I didn t drive to a dealership to get the valuation I could ve done from my couch at home. At my insistence she rolls her eyes and agrees to walk with me to my car to take a look. After less than 30 seconds with no more than a peek through the window or asking for the VIN number we walk back inside to her desk. She writes down the “good” and “very good” KBB values on a post it note and pushes it my way. I tell her that I am going to need something more official as the instructions on Arlington County s Website say that the quote needs to be on an official dealer letterhead. She tells me that she won t be able to help me with that. At this point losing patience I ask to speak with her manager. With yet another eye roll she picks up her phone and gives him a call. After a 15 second call she makes it clear that the manager doesn t even want to come onto the sales floor to meet me saying “he is not going to sign anything for you.” At this point I thank her for her time snag her business card and walk out. I get to the third dealership and abandon the plan to pretend to be interested in selling my car. I go to the help desk and am directed to a bunch of guys sitting behind a long desk. One of them says he can help me with an appraisal. When I explain that I would like to get an appraisal for tax purposes again the feeling of the interaction changes. Although this time I m granted the courtesy of a real appraisal. The guy does a real check of the exterior and interior of the vehicle scans the placard on the edge of the drivers door using an app on his phone and we head back inside. After leaving me at his desk he goes to talk to that same bunch of guys he had been sitting with when I first explained my situation. The man comes back after a good 5 minute talk with his coworkers. He gives me a real appraisal that is very much in line with KBB value but refuses to put it on any kind of dealer letterhead “List the specific conditions that make your vehicle s worth lower than the clean loan value listed in the NADA guidebook…” or “List each condition that existed on January 1 and the amount that condition contributed to your vehicle s clean loan value reduction.” OR sign anything. It was clear that no one on the team wanted their name attached to any kind of appraisal that would be used in a dispute. So after 2 hours wasted and no useable appraisal attained I drove home. In summary the first dealer appraised my vehicle at $19 000. The second dealer gave me KBB values. The third dealer appraised my vehicle at $17 000. (The salesman winked when he said we low balled it for you ). None of these appraisals are anywhere near the $29 900 that the Commonwealth of Virginia NADA say it s worth. More importantly none of these appraisals follow the guidelines laid out by Virginia for a proper dispute of value. **Problems** - NADA is providing the Commonwealth of Virginia with inflated used car valuations. - The NADA used car valuations are buried on their website and hidden behind a paywall – in other words they re not put up for public scrutiny. - The appraisals made by dealerships are in line with fair market value not the NADA value given to the Commonwealth of Virginia. - The process for disputing the inflated car values relies on the cooperation of dealerships which have proven themselves to be uncooperative. Because of the above mentioned problems it seems to me that it is impossible to dispute the PPT value. **Theory** When NADA provides the Commonwealth of Virginia with inflated used car valuations it helps boost tax revenue and in return the Commonwealth of Virginia might be more motivated to help dealerships retain their monopoly over the sale of automobiles. **What I would like** If you are a resident of the Commonwealth of Virginia and are experiencing a similar problem I want to hear from you. If you are a lawyer who wants to help please reach out with any advice you have. **TL DR** I received a bill for vehicle Personal Property Tax in the mail. I realized Virginia had valued my car roughy $8 - 10k above fair market value. When I inquired I was told that Virginia goes off of values provided by NADA. (Used car valuations provided by NADA aren t easily attainable and after checking NADA s website I found that used car values are hidden behind a pay wall). Was told if I wanted to dispute the value I would have to get an appraisal from a dealership that followed very specific instructions [see here](https: taxes.arlingtonva.us vehicles vehicle-tax-appeals ). Two Chevrolet dealerships in the DC area would not provide me with an appraisal that matched the format described by Virginia. If you have a suggestion for a more relevant subreddit for this post please let me know. r legaladvice didn t really seem to like my post | NADA_VA_Conspiracy | 2017-08-28 00:22:31 | 26 | dm7qcq2 | You seem to be very confused about a few things. The first is on your appraisal - you need a *professional appraisal* on your vehicle. That means you will need to pay someone to do it. No one is going to put in the work to do a professional appraisal for you for free. The second is that the Kelly Blue Book trade in value is *not* the fair market value of your vehicle. That s the wholesale value of your vehicle - which can be up to 50% below its actual market value. Kelly Blue Book lists the actual value of the base model of your car as being between $24 000 - $26 000. Both Kelly Blue Book and NADA base their valuation on a combination of auction and dealership data. Kelly Blue Book weights more heavily towards auction pricing while NADA weights more heavily towards dealership pricing. That means Kelly Blue Book s prices tend to be a little bit below market while NADA s are a little bit above. Third - you assume they re valuing your car as though it was a used car but that seems unlikely. Because the car was less than 6 months old as of the assessment date its likely that they are still valuing it as a new car which they are almost certainly entitled to do if this is the first time you ve been assessed this tax on it. Even if you have already had this tax assessed its not unreasonable to believe that they are entitled to value the vehicle as being new for up to a year after your purchase. Before you waste anymore time with this you should talk to an actual lawyer who deals with Virginia tax issues because it doesn t sound like you have even the slightest grasp of whats going on here. | ughhhhh420 | 2017-08-28 00:52:59 | 13 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
5o6j8u | Building a house in a year or so and want to go completely solar power wall do we have any idea how powerful solar roof will be? | Hey guys I haven t been able to find any information about the output per square foot. Is it available anywhere? | Sjwpoet | 2017-01-15 21:28:39 | 16 | dch1097 | Details on the solar roof are very very vague. Intentionally so most likely. The unveiling was just about making sure the Tesla Solar City merger happened and nothing more than that. | stevejust | 2017-01-15 22:32:18 | 8 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
24c0yf | Building a new home and a question about charging | Hey all I need to make a decision quickly and a quick google didn t help too much. I want to future proof my charging station at home as much as possible. Also if I change my mind on a Tesla god forbid then I want it to be useable for other EVs. With that in mind what would be the best outlet route to go? From the Tesla page I see Nema 14-50 listed but it only hits 40A @ 240v. SAEJ1772 goes up more than that but would that pigeon hole me in terms of auto brands I can use it on? Thanks for any help! | ofcourseitsok | 2014-04-30 02:14:24 | 10 | ch5nwrq | To totally future proof your garage you ll need to provision for a charger for every car. Thats a lot of power. Put at least a 200A subpanel in the garage. That covers the really expensive part of the installation. Since there s no standard for plug location it would be difficult to even pre-wire to a charger location. Tesla charges at the driver rear Volt at driver front and Leaf at center front. If you are going to finish the garage walls you could run 1 conduit from the subpanel to several locations. When you get an EV you can pull wire without tearing up the walls. Wire of the size needed for an EV charger isn t cheap so I wouldn t recommend pulling the wire until you know where it needs to go. But the 200A (or bigger) subpanel will be a good investment no matter what. | ballshagger | 2014-04-30 03:07:44 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
goj36b | Building confidence in what Autopilot sees | Wanted to ask people s thoughts on what matters to people in regards to Autopilot confidence and how it s displayed. I like the virtual animations we get but as we know because it s in development there are issues here and there with rendering speed accuracy of the rendering angles of cars bouncing cars etc. Do you feel that the virtual animation is the best way to show you what the cars sees? Or could there be something better? I was wondering if it would be simpler from a devleopment perspective to give a more minimalist [view of this](https: www.tesla.com sites default files images careers autopilot network.mp4) in some way similar to what was shown to folks at Autonomy Day. Not sure how that could be presented live (maybe an option instead of the map music panes). I was just thinking of ways to simplify development or build confidence more quickly since there s additional development overhead in building the rendered visuals we see. Obviously there are things that make sense to be shared virtually (such as blind spot warnings vehicles around etc) just wanted to get ideas and thoughts on it because what we are shown is what gives people confidence. | 110110 | 2020-05-22 13:11:22 | 18 | frg4q4i | I actually find the current system good. Avoids showing too much stuff. I would only add one more thing to it: an overall confidence metric. | MikeMelga | 2020-05-22 13:47:51 | 25 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5ylrhk | Building electric container ships? | I had some thoughts the other night about what it would take to make a container ship fully electric. Obviously the challenge would be enormous but so would the rewards - since container ships represent a sizable percentage of global annual pollution. The big question is what amount of battery power would a container ship need to complete typical Atlantic Pacific trips? There are a few ideas I had for onboard generation: - Solar power. Container ships have a ton of space you can t really fix solar panels to the tops above the containers based on how they re loaded but maybe a roll-out system that works like a garage door? Once all the containers are loaded system rolls out on top of them and generates energy while it s moving across the sea. - Motion power. Perhaps certain kinetic capture devices could be installed that harnessed the energy of the motion of the sea as the ship crosses it? With the immense amount of battery storage capacity Tesla is capable of producing now and in the future I wonder if this idea is at all feasible or if it ll never make sense. What do you think? | GodRaine | 2017-03-10 12:23:15 | 14 | der1fim | The motors would definitely not be an issue as they can achieve literally 100s - 1 000 times greater power density give the incredibly low power to weight ratios found on those marine engines. Battery wise I don t think it s entirely impossible with future tech but... Typical 100 000-150 000 DWT container ships have 3 000-4 000 tonnes of heavy fuel oil at roughly 36-45 MJ kg which is 10 - 12.5 kWh kg. They are also astonishingly efficient very close to 50% efficient and can be from 46-54% efficient IIRC. I would assume maybe 50% for the sake of simplicity. So we re looking 10-12.5 MWh metric-tonne for 3-4 ktonnes 50% efficiency so anywhere between 30 to 50 GWh of fuel energy resulting in... #15 to 25 GWh mechanical energy for the same range. 12 GWh for example would require a **continuous 50 MW charge per day** for **ten** days. Another perspective is that 10 GWh is 10 000 MWh or **100 000 times 100kWh**... which is the size of the Tesla Model S s largest battery pack. That is equivalent to *more* than the yearly output of the majority of the largest current battery factories and would weigh 60 000 to 100 000 tonnes at an assumptive 250kWh tonne (4 tonnes MWh) *pack* level. Good luck. Edit: Admittedly electric ships would only need to traverse the Pacific at worst so it could be less - but I am still thinking that at an average power of 25 MW (IIRC) that s still 600MWh *per day.* | PontifexChunderpatch | 2017-03-10 12:51:14 | 20 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4gh80r | Building house to be Tesla compatible | Basically I m down to the electrical part of the design and as I have 3 phase power on my land of putting in a 3 phase 16amp socket in the garage in prep for the Model 3. I don t have any dire needs for fast charging but seemed logical to put something big in since I m starting from scratch anything. I m in Australia so drive on the left site on the right and will have the port on the wall on the left wall of the garage probably right opposite where it would need to in the vehicle. Any other thoughts or considerations I should make? | Strood | 2016-04-26 04:20:59 | 18 | d2hocsc | > I m in Australia so drive on the right Sure about that? Last time I checked we drive on the left. The driver **sits** on the right. | dashingtomars | 2016-04-26 07:52:34 | 10 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
52aeid | Built in dashcam option on the Tesla would be an awesome extra | It would be excellent if Tesla added this as an optional extra. Have a system which would let you auto backup when you reach home and connect to wifi or even on demand download a recording. When buying an expensive car a lot of people want to protect their investment. Have aftermarket systems installed are sometimes a bit too messy. It might even help lower your insurance costs too? | VN5 | 2016-09-11 20:08:45 | 104 | d7immno | I thought this has been mentioned a few times before and the general consensus was that car manufacturers won t do it due to liability reasons | syh1116 | 2016-09-11 20:23:33 | 26 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
4ggciv | Built-in Spotify streaming... | ...why isn t this a thing? Are there plans to allow more streaming services besides slacker? | marsallro399 | 2016-04-26 00:36:50 | 12 | d2hanrs | Ideally there would just be an API SDK so we can not rely on Tesla at all. | vita10gy | 2016-04-26 00:40:07 | 12 | Spotify Gapless Playback |
cc03zs | Bumper Height of the Model 3 question | Hey all I am looking at purchasing a Telsa Model 3. Been on the test drive and already in love with the car. Only thing that is giving me pause is I have a fairly steep driveway with a bit of a dip from street level to driveway. I m concerned the Tesla will scrape the front end coming in. I tried to look around at ground clearances and found that the Telsa has a ground clearance of 5.5 inches. I currently drive a Ford Focus ST that has a ground clearance of 4.6 inches. I measured the bumper height on the ford focus (ground to the lowest point on the body panel of the car) and found it to be about 9.5 inches. Can anyone measure the height of their 2019 Model 3 Long Range and give me an exact measurement so I can rest easy? | ubelblatt | 2019-07-11 19:31:31 | 12 | etjjjoi | Mine s about 8.5 off the floor (that s what she said): https: imgur.com 9VDroku | Wugz | 2019-07-11 19:55:28 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
53t8mg | Bumper was hit and insurance called: Repair at Body shop or Tesla dealership? | My Tesla was hit while parked in a covered airport garage last week and the karmic stars must have been aligned because a security guard heard the crash and ran over to stop the guy who was fleeing the scene. Cops were called and a report was written and left under my windshield for when I returned. The damage isn t terrible - bubbling on the front passenger bumper - but the bumper was pushed in such that when I turn the wheel it scrapes against the wheel-well. The driver s insurance company sent me a list of approved body shops and estimated the damage at about $500. My concern is that I ve read there are sensors in the bumper that an ordinary body shop might not know about. But I ve read through some of the posts here on Reddit how a $500 body-shop job can run to $3 000 if taken to the Tesla dealership. Do any of you have experience with this? Suggestions welcome. | MiaYYZ | 2016-09-21 13:54:45 | 15 | d7w0f8s | Tesla Service Center does not do any body work but Tesla does have a certified repair program where regular body shops are authorized to order and work on their cars. If it s an autopilot car then you might require calibration after removing and reinstalling bumper sensors and fender. The certified body shop can do this repair and calibration or work with the Service Center for more complex calibrations. I d suggest it s worth contacting the closest reputable Tesla certified repair shop (your local Tesla service center can give you a list or you can look online) and get an estimate. | notsooriginal | 2016-09-21 14:13:49 | 11 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
63gn1t | Burbank Supercharger... good lord | I ve never seen this supercharger without a line. Last night I was an idiot and forgot to charge my car. Then today I decided to run an errand and got all the way across town without realizing I couldn t make it home. Now I m stuck in a line 5 cars deep at the Burbank supercharger. Someone kill me. | CharlieChuu | 2017-04-04 20:05:21 | 29 | dftz69j | Going to get a lot worse after Model 3 releases unless Tesla really ramps up their supercharger network. | nsandiegoJoe | 2017-04-04 20:41:14 | 21 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8v1r6d | Burning Cash vs Flammable Assets - some thoughts on the financials of Tesla vs traditional automakers | Caveat: I am not an expert on these topics by a long shot nor do I own Tesla stock or any stock for that matter. But I do have some formal education in economics and a lifelong interest in business market innovations etc. Consider the text below idle speculation at worst or at best more of an *essay* in the original sense of that word an attempt at forming an argument Over the last few weeks I´ve been increasingly preoccupied with how to value Tesla relative to the other major car companies. The bear thesis of Tesla burning through cash vs the perceived strength of Big Auto. The general argument that Tesla not making money while its only a matter of time before the real car companies switch over to EVs and crush them hinges in large part on Big Auto being so well capitalized that they can acquire all the talent machinery etc. to start to mass manufacture EV s in a more efficent higher-margin way than Teslas vertically integrated process which even though I am not bearish at all seems to have many of the hallmarks of a startup company that is feeling the growing pains of scaling up. But how much of the perceived financial strength of Big Auto is extremely fragile? Burning cash is bad if you are just consuming it as it comes it. If you are accumulating capital(which Tesla most certainly is) by building factories laying out a charging network etc. you have to look at it s future value not just it s worth in the present. Most capital depreciates modestly over time through wear and tear but how well it retains its value in the future also hinges in large part on developments in the field. We have seen this happen before - what killed Kodak wasn t just the first-order fact that people stopped buying their products but also that the massive infrastructure that they had built up over decades to make analog film dramatically shrunk in value as a result of the decrease in business. Because Kodak moved too late to transition the assets they could have borrowed against to build themselves up as a force in digital photography had they moved a decade earlier were no longer as attractive. When a machine is no longer wanted for what it can be used for barring some kind of repurposing it s value drops to essentially the price of the raw materials that it contains that can be recycled into something useful. There is no real question that the assets that Tesla is burning through cash to acquire are going to hold up in value for decades to come although they could be more efficient in how they use what they are buying(case in point buying robots only to rip them out again at Fremont - although this is probably a temporary thing with the robots being put to meaningful work at a later date) and I would argue that some of their assets are going to be valued *higher* in the future when taken in aggregate than they are valued at today. This goes both for the gigafactory and the supercharger network - especially if it is ever opened up to non-Tesla cars. How to value these assets has been a topic of debate between bears and bulls for some time now. It s the inverse corollary of that debate that I feel isn t getting nearly enough coverage in the financial press. Sure a large portion of Big Autos assets are going to retain their value(general assembly plants in particular) but huge amounts of money have been invested in factories that make nothing but ICE engines. Or nothing but carburetors. Or nothing but exhaust systems. All of these assets are on these companies balance sheet. How rapidly will Big Auto lose it s financial clout and ability to finance a transition to EV manufacturing if the value of these assets needs to be revised downwards every year? Shrinking sales and declining asset values at the same time is a toxic combination. I don t have any hard and fast numbers in this regard(wish I did and if anyone could supply them that would be great for further discussion) but given the complexity of the engineering that goes into the actual ICE engine and all the components that actually support it vs the components that they share with EV s I´d wager that a huge chunk of the asset base of ICE manufacturers are actually flammable assets - they haven t caught fire yet but inevitably will. So rather than seeing Tesla as burning through cash a more apt image them running through GM and Ford plants with a can of kerosene dousing everything in sight. | einarfridgeirs | 2018-06-30 13:12:13 | 29 | e1ju2uj | > but huge amounts of money have been invested in factories that make nothing but ICE engines. Or nothing but carburetors. Or nothing but exhaust systems. I m pretty sure there isn t a single car maker in the world that still has capital tied up in tooling for carburetors. That ended in the 1980 s. Also very few will make their own exhaust systems so it s not a direct risk for them. But the facilities for engines (and also the engineers who develop them) are indeed fast becoming huge sunk costs for Old Auto. | Dutchlawyer | 2018-06-30 13:22:22 | 15 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
67ab7b | Business Charger Etiquette | I stayed at a destination charging hotel this weekend and the hotel I stayed at had 2 tesla changers and 1 J1772 charger. When I arrived with 45% battery all 3 spots were ICE d over. The hotel had no signs or indications to not park there and on top of that it was the first 3 spaces closest to the door. Hotel couldn t do anything because they didn t know whose car was whose and they didn t explicitly state not to park there. If Tesla is subsidizing the cost for these chargers why oh why won t they provide some guidelines to proper EV parking signage even making it just as a bluff would help when it came to towing. | MaxKW | 2017-04-24 16:54:44 | 47 | dgouoon | It always sucks when you get ICEd. It is frustrating when a parking lot doesn t post signs or paint spaces. That s why I carry a j1772 extension cord. http: imgur.com 6qjXNxy Edit:link should work now. | BraveRock | 2017-04-24 16:59:40 | 22 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
bgodt6 | Busy year for Tesla! | Am I missing anything major? & #x200B Model S X More range 370 325 miles 200 145kw charging Air suspension & #x200B Supercharger v3 250kw HW3 FSD Gigafactory 3 & #x200B Navigate on Ap Advanced Summon dog mode fart app atari games romance mode sentry mode dashcam App improvements - seat heating service apts media etc & #x200B Model 3 250kw charging $35k version track mode European sales Leasing 5% more power faster acceleration Longer range for LR RWD & #x200B Model Y reveal | RobDickinson | 2019-04-24 01:12:29 | 18 | elmdac2 | Faster acceleration in the M3 | thinkharderest | 2019-04-24 01:15:14 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5twkj8 | Buy 100D today or wait for Model 3 reveal? | Since Musk tweeted that there currently are no plans to increase Model S X battery capacity past 100kwh it seems that it would be a safe time to buy now if maximum range was a main consideration for purchasing. Yes or no? Wait for Model 3 reveal to see what new tech (HUD?) will be added to Model S potentially? Edit 2 14 17: thanks for all the helpful replies! As most of you correctly inferred I m looking to buy a Model S 100D seeing as how Musk has stated that the 100kwh battery pack is going to be top of the heap for now. The only question left is how likely or *how quickly* Model 3 technology features (in a $35k car) will make it into the Model S as a $100k car. Sounds like the consensus is to wait for the Model 3 Part Three reveal...which will hopefully be soon? | imagaspasser | 2017-02-13 23:52:46 | 22 | ddpk828 | I would personally wait. We are probably a month or so away from seeing Part 3 of Model 3 if you don t like what you see just get the 100D if you like Model 3 just stick with that. | drbeats101 | 2017-02-13 23:55:15 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
b0ftxo | Buy FSD before price hike next week? | Help...im conflicted. Bought EAP with my M3 and cant decide if i should pull the trigger on $2k fsd upgrade. Was also a first day reservation holder. The recent price covfefe has left a sour taste in my mouth tbh i dont trust tesla anymore with future promises. Is fsd vaporware? Should i loan tesla my $2k with no definitive timeline and god knows what future pricing will be | realdealmiguel | 2019-03-13 01:06:51 | 75 | eiebwr9 | Man I m in the exact same boat.......I was thinking about waiting till after Thursday and seeing if they announce anything about FSD during the model Y unveiling. Maybe have a better informative decision after that. | jasonm16 | 2019-03-13 01:12:26 | 62 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5cg1ar | Buy Full Self-Driving Capabilities now? | Is there any reason to buy this now versus later other than saving any money? Will any of the features become available within 12-18 months even if regulations are not yet in place? (Or: self driving but I have to sit in the car like for auto-pilot?) I worry about shelling out much cash and never using the features (because they re not released) before I replace the car in 4-5 years. Thoughts? | cmer | 2016-11-11 18:29:39 | 10 | d9w5ow4 | Maybe? Some possible reasons below (whether or not they are compelling is up to you): 1. After purchase it is $1 000 additional fee to add. 2. Feature could increase in price. Likelihood unknown. 3. You believe in Tesla s mission and believe Tesla can make more progress toward their mission with that $3k than you can. 4. You don t mind helping Tesla now because it helps your investment later. 5. You can be a Day One user. (Also bragging rights!) Edit to add 6. F--- Oil. | purestevil | 2016-11-11 18:36:39 | 20 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
fxvknq | Buy a piece of Munro Tesla history. | In the latest Model Y Tear down video Sandy Munro mentioned they will be raffling auctioning off signed parts from their Model Y. I don t want to violate any rules so you can fine the link is in his YouTube video or someone can post it in the comments if it doesn t violate the rules. | augustadriver | 2020-04-09 16:31:48 | 87 | fmwtqre | We bought the Bembro caliper it ll make a nice paper weight for my desk. It s a tough time for everyone and hopefully it ll help him keep people on the payroll. charity with dignity. | kenriko | 2020-04-09 17:21:19 | 48 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
c1vv6z | Buy or Lease Model 3 SR+? | I ve really started to like the concept of having a Tesla and ultimately would like an electric car for environmental reasons. I would really like a Model X someday but let s just say I m a bit ‘financially immature . Meanwhile the Model 3 seems like a great option at a more casual price and a lease for an SR+ is around $400-$450 month sans autopilot which seems very good (buying with a loan is about $600 month). Only thing is there isn t an option to buy the car at the end of the lease as far as I know which really would ve sold me on a lease for the most part. At the same time I don t necessarily mind the idea of getting a Tesla for 3 years for maybe ~$20-25k then being able to either get a new Model 3 or upgrade to a Y or something (lease or otherwise). What do you guys think? | StoneColdAM | 2019-06-18 01:12:41 | 12 | erfxdgc | Buy | DTTD_Bo | 2019-06-18 01:15:08 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
g90i8q | Buyer beware: Why you shouldn t buy your Tesla from Carvana | This is kind of a long story but I hope that my terrible Carvana experience will help some of you out. TL DR at bottom. & nbsp I started looking for a used Model S right before shelter-in-place lockdown hit in Texas in early March and due to the circumstances going with a reputable company who would deliver the car to me seemed logical. I had never used Carvana before and noticed that they charged slightly higher prices but assumed that it was due to how convenient their process was. I picked out a red 2013 Model S P85 that looked reasonable added it to my cart completed the insurance process and waited for them to call me. Within two days they had called me 5 or 6 times to verify insurance request pictures of my trade-in and other things. The day my delivery was supposed to take place I was supposed to receive a call confirming the delivery time and got nothing. Around the time my delivery should have taken place I received a phone call from an associate saying that during transport from the holding lot in Arizona the car s windshield had been smashed by a flying piece of road debris. I was irritated that I wasn t contacted when this happened but chalked the miscommunication up to the COVID-19 situation. I asked the representative what their procedure was and she told me that they would send it to Tesla for repair and I would be able to purchase it after the repairs had been completed. At this point I was disappointed but sort of shrugged it off as a shit happens kind of thing. I was happy to be getting a brand new windshield anyway. I continued on with getting my financing in order with Alliant Credit Union which I learned about from inquiries to Tesla on the used cars on their site. I can t say enough good things about Alliant in the nightmare that was this entire process they were quick to respond understanding and well-versed in Tesla financing. Great interest rates amazing staff super knowledgeable. & nbsp To continue -- I received an email from a Carvana representative confirming the damage to the windshield and assuring me that I would receive phone calls with repair progress. After this point it was total radio silence from Carvana for a week. I emailed back after a week to see how it was going only to be put on hold multiple times. After around an hour I learned that at some point a technician responsible for moving the Model S had lost both its keys and the representative I spoke to could not tell me whether the error was Carvana s or the Tesla Service Center s. She could not verify to me where the car actually was or who was responsible for the lost keys. I don t even know how this is possible. She told me that she was only reading notes that had been entered and they didn t specify where the car was. At this point I began keeping a log so I wouldn t get confused and to provide further clarity to representatives since I couldn t get ahold of the same person twice. (Every Carvana rep told me that they were not allowed to give out personal numbers.) I had no idea where the car actually even was or what was happening to it. Despite this Alliant had sent Carvana the check and I spent an entire day verifying with them and with FedEx that it was delivered. Despite requesting the check they then said that they couldn t take it because the car wasn t ready for sale and I had to have Alliant process a stop payment on it. & nbsp During my next who has my car and where are the keys conversation with Carvana (it s totally ridiculous that there was more than one of these) the representative convinced me to let it go and pick a different vehicle from their site. They were struggling with the repair process and emphasized that this sort of thing didn t usually happen to them and because of the COVID-19 situation I was understanding. So I went back to carvana.com and picked a different 2013 Model S a blue P85+ this time and while on the phone with the representative verified a delivery date. She thanked me for my patience and I thought the entire mess was over. I didn t hear anything from them in the few days leading up to delivery but since the car was undamaged I assumed everything was fine. The delivery window was 5-6 PM. At 6:05 PM I called Carvana had to wait on hold for almost an hour before someone was able to tell me that the car couldn t be delivered because the battery was dead and wouldn t charge. He assured me that someone had attempted to contact me prior to missing the delivery window but I had literally been sitting around waiting with my phone in my hand so that was definitely a lie. & nbsp At this point my husband (who I ll call B) got so fed up with the runaround that he googled the address of the inspection center where they told me it was being held drove there and spoke to a manager who allowed him to come back to look at the car. The manager emphasized that they were not customer-facing so customers were not allowed back to the lots but after telling him the entire story B s expressed doubts that the car actually even existed were apparently enough to let him see it. The manager told B that they attempted to jump start the car but through this conversation B learned that the technicians had only attempted to jumpstart the 12V battery for around 5 minutes. B suggested that they allow the 12V battery to charge for longer then attempt to charge the main battery pack explaining how the car cannot charge the MCU doesn t work with a dead 12V battery. B also suggested resetting the MCU via the scroll wheels on the steering wheel but the manager said he wasn t comfortable attempting that. During this visit B also witnessed that Carvana keeps the keys to all its Teslas in the same cardboard paper ream box which is likely how the keys to the red Model S were lost to begin with. (They unlock the Teslas by bringing the entire box around to each car and waiting for it to find its own key and auto-unlock. I wish I was making this up.) He assured B that they would allow the 12V to charge and attempt charging the main battery pack again over the weekend and would tell customer service to let us know the status. & nbsp The missed delivery and B s visit to the inspection center happened on a Friday. (I had to order a stop payment on ANOTHER check Alliant had FedExed to them.) On Saturday afternoon after calling Carvana I discovered that the inspection center hadn t been in contact with customer service. Additionally the rep I spoke to still only had notes about the original red Model S with the cracked windshield and lost keys despite my account showing purchase in progress of the dead-battery blue Model S. I relayed the entire story of both Model Ss as well as B s visit to the inspection center and that they were supposed to get in touch with them. The rep assured me he d sort it out and let me know. At this point I made an appointment to go look at a different blue Model S at a BMW dealership in Dallas. It was a P85+ in fantastic condition only 40K miles with an error message saying that acceleration had been reduced and may be restored on next drive. One of the dealership technicians was a Tesla enthusiast and she insisted that this problem was easily fixable by the Tesla Service Center which was literally two blocks away from them. I agreed to purchase this Model S (spoiler alert: which I have now and love) signed papers got in writing their agreement to take it to the Tesla Service Center and pay for the costs associated with resetting the MCU. I was able to add the vehicle to my Tesla account with the purchase paperwork and Tesla immediately contacted me updating me on the repair progress. & nbsp On the way home from the dealership the same day Carvana called me back with the information they d received from the inspection center with good news! The fix that B had suggested for the battery charging had worked and they could deliver it to me! I told them that I was on my way back from purchasing a different Model S and that I needed to cancel that order. The rep asked me why (really?!) and I told him that I knew it wasn t his fault but that the way that Carvana handled Tesla sales was a total mess and that I would not ever consider buying any car from them after this fiasco. The rep then told me that the only way to cancel my order was to go online and cancel it myself. So after the entire nightmare which included changing my financing and insurance multiple times I m a Tesla owner. But don t buy a Tesla from Carvana. & nbsp TL DR: Carvana has no idea how to handle Tesla sales repair storage or maintenance and will give you the run around. They have a huge selection of Teslas available because they can t get their shit together enough to actually sell them to you. You should go through Tesla or a traditional dealership. Or a private sale. Just someone who understands that Teslas have two batteries and that you can t just allow them to discharge while the car sits in an inspection lot. Edit: formatting. | camberdin | 2020-04-27 13:17:12 | 200 | foqiigq | Congrats. By the third phone call you should have cancelled the whole thing and figured out carvana sucks. | kmkmrod | 2020-04-27 13:32:25 | 113 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
hpxh4w | Buyer beware: avoid the Jeda Hub. The company doesn t honor their warranty and seems to dislike Pixel phones. | Hey guys I ordered the Jeda Hub a while back for my Model 3. I choose this particular hub to support a US company and the original designer of the idea. After waiting a month to get the product all seemed well. Unfortunately a few months later my wife tried the USB C ports to charge her Pixel while we were driving to no avail. We tried a few other devices and had the same problem. Reached out to Jeda and they were very responsive at first and seemed to want to remedy the issue. I explained that we had Pixel phones and things got weird. They explained that they have issues with Pixels and asked me to test another device. I let them know that I did and got no response. Sent another email a week later no response. Another email a week later no response. Coincidentally I m now outside of their warranty period. For the price I could have purchased two knock off hubs. Honestly I d recommend you do that since you ll get it faster it ll work and if it is broken you can buy another one and still save money relative to the Jeda Hub. | pgrit154 | 2020-07-12 16:44:52 | 190 | fxufbrf | Jeda is quite well known to be a dogsh*t company around Tesla subs. I ve certainly seen a number of these posts over the years. | RareRibeye | 2020-07-12 17:09:47 | 84 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
d5o8zl | Buyer s Write Up about Model 3 Buying Owning Experience | One week in with the a brand new Long Range AWD Model 3 and I wanted to share my thoughts and perhaps answer some questions relieve some stress for potential future owners. Also if you live in a state where Tesla is banned to do direct to consumer sales (like Texas for me) this will come in handy! Purchasing timeline: Placed order: 8 11 2019 Found inventory car in Fremont that matched my configuration on: 8 25 2019 Payment Portal and contact from delivery advisor: 8 26 2019 Loan Funded Trade-in Packet mailed: 8 28 19 All paperwork complete by 8 30 19 Car began transport on 8 31 19 Car arrived Dallas on 9 3 19 Delivery on 9 5 19 ALL the paperwork was either FedExed to me or sent electronically. One thing about living in a state like Texas is you must pay for your car and confirm all trade in details prior to delivery. Usually the car will not move to Texas unless you have paid for your car in full (whether it be cash loan wire etc). So make sure you get your financing money ready as soon as you get a VIN. Also make sure your car is ready for trade in at the same time. It s a little unnerving to pay for a car prior to even seeing it in person but that s just what states like Texas forces upon consumers and Tesla so we make it work. If you are worried about sales tax registration don t. Tesla takes care of it all. If you have a trade in to Tesla you will see a deduction of trade in amount (tax value) off your tax bill. Your MVPA will break down the taxes required along with inspection and registration fees. You can roll it all in your loan final price. No need to go to the DMV Tax assessor yourself after delivery. If you want to accelerate your delivery CALL AHEAD. When the handover occurs between your inside delivery advisor (folks in Vegas) to your local team they usually won t reach out to you until your car has been sitting around. But in my case I asked them if they were able to move my appointment to the left any (originally scheduled for 9 9). I got a call a few hours later saying I could pick it up the next day which turned out to be the 5th of September (woohoo!). Delivery experience: mine was short and sweet. Didn t go into a lot of features just the basics of linking my phone explaining the card and how to operate the controls. Super easy in and out in under 20 minutes. My build is near the 500 000 mark so built in late August. Overall paint was in near perfect condition. Wheels were absolutely spotless. Fit and finish was good slight overhang on passenger side fender but all figured out quickly. Interior was also spotless. Dallas Delivery team did a wonderful job detailing (plus no factory installed swirls!). Car had plenty of charge to make the drive home to Fort Worth. I ve put nearly 800 miles on my car in the first week and a half of ownership. It s been fantastic. No regrets period. Autopilot is awesome and all the safety features have already come in handy when cars begin drifting into your lane. The car sees so much more than any human can its really quite insane. No rattles no creaks no squeaks. Everything feels super solid and well put together. My only gripe is the lack of homelink but I just installed a smart home garage door opener… so I honestly don t need it! Also seems that new cars take a little while before they begin receiving software updates. I m still running 15.107 which seems to be the factory standard software for LR AWD cars in NA. The driving has been fun like a lot of fun. Acceleration is crazy good even for the middle of the road performance Model 3. 4.4 seconds is probably a conservative number. I ve been fortunate enough to drive some fast cars the R35 GTR for example. This is no GTR but it s a difference kind of acceleration. It literally feels like you are being thrown into your seats… just with no noise other than the wind getting louder and louder. Charging has also been great. I live in a home and installed a 14-50 plug on a 50 amp circuit. I m just using the mobile charger with the adapter getting 30 mph of charge. That s more than adequate for my needs. I m most likely going to move to a bigger home within the next 5-6 years so I ll get by and install a Wall Connector to get up to 48 amps in the next home. But again its really not needed. A 14-50 outlet will generally be the cheapest option for most and will get you everything you need. So to sum everything up. Buy a Tesla. Not because we want to go green or buy into the hype… but because they are DAMN good cars. I love cars. I love fast cars. But I m also a 20 something who loves technology and when the car cruises in autopilot you just have to sit in awe because of how far we ve come from horse and carriage to this. If you re an engineer like me you ll appreciate the amount of work you can see poured into this car. It may be the least expensive but its by far the best execution of a car I ve experienced. If you are considering a 3-series C-Class A4 type car I urge you to look at Model 3 s. If you have any questions about the purchasing experience or anything in general please feel free to contact me. | AstroMarco | 2019-09-17 22:21:59 | 55 | f0n4zd9 | Great write up. Enjoy your new car I know I am as well! | mikedeezy22 | 2019-09-17 22:51:16 | 7 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
6mbnhe | Buyer s remorse - Got the S wish I d gotten the X. | Just looking for some thoughts on possible buyer s remorse. I recently purchased a Model S 75D and went on a 1200 mile road trip. Love the car great experience on the road trip including sleeping in the car. I had a long debate before purchasing the S but didn t think I d wish I had the extra space and seating. I d love to take more people on a road trip (already looking at places to go!) but wish I had the X. Thoughts? | dragonf1r3 | 2017-07-10 02:23:36 | 35 | dk0dlxw | The S has more storage space for junk than the X. As for people well the X can be equipped to carry more than the S. Edit: New Model X configuration with fold flat seats offers more storage room than an S. | Dr_Pippin | 2017-07-10 02:29:53 | 38 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
m5xpgb | Buyers Guide for those on a budget | Hello I was responding to a post in r TeslaModel3 about my thoughts on my new 2018 and as someone who has been extremely plugged into the used market for M3s < 40k I wanted to make a post to help anyone on a budget. Model 3s have amazing batteries and have used the same tech since launch. The only upgrade that really matters and you would not be able to get is the heat pump but if you get a Long or Mid Range RWD you will get at least the same range as a 2021 SR+. Because of this I would not recommend the 2019 SR+ I do think you will miss the extra range. Definitely would prefer a 2018 Mid Range w 40k miles over a 2019-20 SR+ with 20k (seem to be a worthy price comparison). The Mid-Range has a larger battery has a higher peak charging speed (200 vs 170 kW) and does not slow down its charging as fast as the SR+. Same goes for the LR RWD but better. Then I would say the power trunk and cosmetic upgrades are surely things I would like but are luxuries and you can add things you can do yourself. Any other color I would probably chrome delete but I personally think it looks great on the black so I am keeping it (if I tint my windows I will black out but that s down the road). I think the decision to buy used or new should come down to if you want either a LR RWD which they do not sell anymore or a FSD package. If you do not want either I would say the 2021 SR+ is the better option but otherwise I would very highly recommend the LR RWD and Mid range regardless of year. EDIT: What I ended up going with was a Black 2018 Mid-Range RWD with FSD aero wheels and a White interior. It had 42 000 miles on it and cost $36 900. Hope this helps someone get their dream car! | Teez_curse | 2021-03-16 01:28:00 | 12 | gr5d4dh | Also if you re really on a budget maybe consider alternatives. There a cheaper EVs out there for sure. You don t really NEED a Tesla. | Alex__P | 2021-03-16 18:11:16 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6td04c | Buying A Model 3 If You re 25 Or: Stop Worrying and Get The Base Model. | There have been more posts around the sub that are along the lines of I m in my 20 s and this is an aspirational purchase for me should I break the bank and get the premium package and or the LR battery? Well I m a res holder in my mid 20s. I ve spent some time breaking down the time benefits and quality-of-life benefits of the options. If you re stretching your budget to buy this car maybe I can help. This thread isn t about whether you should buy a Model 3 I assume you ve made up your mind already and it s not really about diving into delivery windows or possible tax credits. **Range:** Tesla claims the small battery gets 220 miles of range and the big battery is 310. Let s assume you ll get 90% of this after some degradation so about 200 miles and 280 miles. That s 80-ish more miles for $9000. The argument in my own head was “yeah 200 miles is fine for my commute and going 40 minutes to IKEA but what about that romantic electric road trip I want to make?” I live in the Seattle area so looking at what kind of road trips I would do that are over 100 miles. Regardless of battery sizes on road trips it is usually most efficient to charge at each supercharger you encounter to take advantage of the fast charge from 10% to ~70%. Distance between superchargers is usually between 80 miles and 160 miles. When I was mapping out trips I noticed the time savings were only about 12% for the longer ones so I decided to make a chart of all the cities and places I might want to road trip to mapped on abetterrouteplanner and then a few extra to fill out the data. [Check Out The Chart Here](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1JxhLRVejjRtJPdZxlOocf-KLOEq_f0oLe5mDXsVqQT8 edit?usp=sharing) It illustrates how time savings as % of total trip length is zilch on the 144 mile drive to Vancouver it jumps to 5% on the no-charge drive to Portland because abetterrouteplanner recommends slower speed for the 173 mile drive and then jumps to between 10 and 12 percent for any length of journey that has 2 charges or more. SF and LA are less efficient driving SR because the Supercharger network between Seattle and California has some holes but I expect those to be filled in the next 12 months bringing efficiency back in line with the curve. I was shocked at how drastic the returns diminish by adding 70% more battery. If you re like me you will find that paying $9000 results in only a minor ~12% bump in total time savings for long trips and doesn t let you skip enough chargers to justify the cost. My conclusion: sleep easy the SR battery is fine. **Premium Package:** Obviously nobody is immune to hype. Especially in the car world it s easy to get swept up in the excitement over cool features and Tesla gets to piggyback on years of carmakers investing in convincing people options are worth paying for. Once we cool off we can see how much we actually care about the premium options: * Premium heated seating and cabin materials throughout including open pore wood décor and two rear USBs * 12-way power adjustable front seats steering column and side mirrors with custom driver profiles * Premium audio system with more power tweeters surround speakers and subwoofer * Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection * Auto dimming power folding heated side mirrors * LED fog lamps * Center console with covered storage and docking for two smartphones So wood and premium materials are cool. Power seats are cool. Glass roof is cool… it s all pretty cool. And it almost sounds like a good deal when you see it all for *only* $5000. Ask yourself this though is your office chair power adjustable? Do you care? How many speakers are in your home audio system? Mine has two and it sounds pretty good to me. The big rear windshield is standard the glass roof is just a bit directly above the driver s head. How much would you care about that? Fog lamps and cool side mirror tricks are fancy but you will be just fine without them and stop caring either way pretty quickly. I admit I am tempted by the wood interior but not $5000 tempted. It s important to take a step back and see if you would pay this kind of money for these things anywhere else in your life. I haven t before so why start now? It already has a ton of cool features in the standard model to get excited about. My conclusion: It s cool but I don t spend money on ridiculous luxury in my life. Is this worth the extra financial baggage? Nah. **Color:** Similarly it s tempting to discount black as the color you *don t* want because it s the boring basic color. I strongly suggest you consider black as equal to the other options then get whatever color you want. **Wheels:** On the Model S I ve heard that Aero wheels can get between 3% and 6% efficiency gains. Let s call it 5%. If this is true then you really want to pay $1500 for a 5% less efficient car? You kidding me with this? This is another luxury that is worse than useless and I strongly suggest you don t get caught up in the pearl-clutching about the exact wheel style people are salivating over. **FSD Autopilot:** I was tempted to not include this because it s such a different animal of a discussion. Not only is Autopilot genuinely useful but you can also buy it after you get the car. Now I do understand that it is definitely easier to finance that $5k along with the rest of the car but $3k isn t so bad I would hang onto that until we actually get some delivery dates on FSD. Hope some of this helped feel free to correct my math or call me a peasant for advising against options. I hope some young people who are looking at the car don t get swept up in the luxury hype. | ChemtrailDreams | 2017-08-13 03:44:53 | 240 | dljt0p0 | In my mid 20s and I pretty much completely agree with all your points! The premium upgrade is definitely all about coolness only fog lights and the center console really add much functionality. I m still very much considering the LR model simply for a few reasons: 1. Better possible resale value 2. My main reason: distance to visit my SO is literally 220 miles. This would save the supercharger trip both times. If they lived closer or further away it wouldn t be worth it but they live smack dab at the range limit. | awwyisnoodles | 2017-08-13 05:16:46 | 50 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
58c1qw | Buying CPO - how much does it matter where the car has been driven? Mild climate California Florida vs Northeast Midwest winters. | Hoping this is self explanatory. I am planning on getting a 2014 CPO 85 and keeping it for many years. Anything to worry about regarding mechanics or anything else for the long term if the car has been driven in cold climate and rough roads of the Northeast and Midwest compared to the mild California Florida? Thanks in advance y all. | JamesMcNutty | 2016-10-19 18:54:14 | 17 | d8z5sof | I also bought a CPO 2014 S 85. Mine was from the midwest. Because of the relative newness of the vehicle I don t think geography would matter. Expect to get the car it to look amazing and for you to find a couple things weird about it in the first month that they will correct for you with a smile. | majesticjg | 2016-10-19 19:18:15 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
eune6h | Buying CPO vs from an Independent Auto Sales Company (2018 v 2017 Model S) | Hi everyone! I m new here. I m looking to buy my first Tesla. I have narrowed down my choice to 2 different vehicles. One is CPO through Tesla. The other is being sold by a local high end Auto Sales company. I know that there will be differences in the features due to the model year (2018 CPO vs 2017) but my greatest concern is with purchasing a car without the 4 year 50 000 mile warranty. How important is getting the warranty that comes with buying a CPO? I d love some insight and opinions on this. | Ranaco | 2020-01-27 12:41:58 | 26 | ffqbmty | Buy from Tesla. They will have properly taken care of the battery. Many of these random car lots have no idea how to care for the battery - the most expensive part of the car. You could inherit a car that was left uncharged for extended periods of time and may have battery damage because of it. | Tesla_Model_Y | 2020-01-27 12:50:30 | 25 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6r0odu | Buying EAP or FSD later on is not truly $1 000 or $2 000 more expensive and here s why... | After playing around with the excel price calculator someone posted on here I noticed that purchasing EAP or FSD later down the road is not truly a $1 000 or $2 000 difference. Here s why: A model 3 with no options financed at 72 months with 6% sales tax and 2.74% interest rate costs $560 month. If you add on EAP only you come out to $640 month. $80 per month difference multiplied by 72 months comes out to $5 760. So that $5 000 option really cost you $5 760. Buying EAP after you purchase the car is $6 000. You save a measly $240 by buying it upfront. If you buy a base Model 3 with EAP+FSD your monthly payment is $687. The $127 difference per month multiplied by 72 payments comes out to $9 144. So you save $856 by buying it upfront not $2 000. If you live somewhere that factors in your vehicle price into tag registration renewal you ll be saving even less by purchasing upfront. Final thoughts: 1. The only benefit to buying it with the car is you get to spread out the cost. 2. Lower financing interest rate increases your savings closer to the original $1 000 or $2 000 3. Larger down payments negate the savings by lowering principal and lowering interest accumulation Hope this helps! Edit: To those of you talking about sales tax on the upgrade later down the road you d still only save about $300 on EAP or $976 on EAP+FSD with 6% sales tax. If your state would charge the sales tax. Still less than half of the predicted savings. Edit 2: To those talking about totalling your car and losing the money you spent on EAP+ -FSD most insurance programs allow you to increase the value of the car when you make a change to it so you wouldn t completely lose the money | specter491 | 2017-08-02 00:52:31 | 85 | dl1fpse | I had almost this exact same conversation with someone the other day. About 3 4th the way thru I could see the light bulb going on. I thought about typing up a post but was overcome with extreme laziness as more than 10 syllables were required you covered it well including the registration bit. Glad someone took the time to write it up. Thank you kind sir madam. | Jddssc121 | 2017-08-02 00:58:02 | 43 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
dd21dc | Buying Guides for Used Teslas | Do they exist? I m talking like what version of hardware and software what features cap out on model years what mid-year or mid-quarter updates to watch out for which model years have free supercharging etc. I m looking into a used Model S but want to buy a version that is unlikely to miss out on new features in the next several years. | 3_HeavyDiaperz | 2019-10-04 03:47:12 | 20 | f2dputa | You want one with AP2.5 and MCU2 which means it has to be a fairly new car. ~2017-2018 I think.. Edit. Mcu2 was introduced spring 2018. | tp1996 | 2019-10-04 03:49:26 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
bkd12a | Buying Model 3 in Canada | Hi I m thinking of buying a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range + in Quebec Canada and I was wondering how the subsidies applied for electric vehicles never owned one before. On the site at checkout under the savings tab they mention the -$8000 CAD for Quebec EV discount as well as a silly -$6300 CAD in potential gas savings but not the Federal -$5000 CAD. Is it not in effect yet? Should I hold out? | sharktopusx | 2019-05-03 20:23:14 | 10 | emftyjn | You can & should buy it now. Once you buy it Tesla will reach out to you with all the details you could also call Sales at once of the two service centers in Qc to see how they manage it. Right now you are looking at a purchase price of $55k+$8.2k tax -$5k CAN rebate = 63247$ plus SAAQ registration. minus $8k you will receive later. | iiixii | 2019-05-03 20:55:40 | 10 | EV Tax Credit Impact |
dyn5ix | Buying Model S Performance Commute Charging help | I commute 200 miles total everyday for work and that is the reason I am getting the model S. At work I have a wall charger that I will be installing but I am having charging problems at my house. At my house I do not have a garage or driveway only street parking. I do have three designated spots for myself and was thinking of putting a home charger on the street. I talked to the city and they will allow me to install the charger there. While charging the cable will be draped over the sidewalk while charging and I am having some anxiety about that. Do y all think that charging like that would work? I live in Birmingham AL where there is one super charging station and a other electric chargers. Is a 200 mile commute feasible with the model S? & #x200B EDIT: Biggest question what other solution is there for charging if only street parking is available. If I cannot charge at home will charging at work be enough to cover 200-250miles everyday? | DukeKrazy | 2019-11-19 17:00:21 | 29 | f824afx | Try not to rely on superchargers! One of the greatest things about an EV is having a gas station at home. No more inconvenient Oh no it s empty stops. The sidewalk thing sounds a little sketchy. Maybe you could paint the cord to make it really obvious or something. | asimo3089 | 2019-11-19 17:14:38 | 14 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
cj0n90 | Buying My First Tesla | Hello Everyone I was hoping for a bit of advice. I currently lease a 2018 Honda Accord that I got in December of 2017 and I want to buy a Model 3 Tesla. My lease would be up December 2020 but I want to get out of it early so I can buy a Model 3. What are the best options to get out of the lease? I know I can get out early if I take it in and I am low on mile and the car is in good shape. I only have 1 small dent that can be removed and a small scratch on the back bumper. The other option is to try and have someone else take over the lease. Unfortunately I test drove a Tesla and after that I was hooked. I had to have one. Also my friend works for Tesla helping make the AI chip in the car so after talking to him for over a year I just can t stop wanting one. :-) I ve become addicted. Edit: Just for an extra detail. I showed my fiancée and she was like “You really have become addicted” after she read the post. :-) “Every time you see one you just go “Ohhh I really need one””. Hahahaha | Th3Ma5hatt3r | 2019-07-28 20:04:59 | 28 | evadzf3 | Can you find someone to sublease from you? | elonaccessories | 2019-07-28 20:22:41 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
d6gvv9 | Buying Powerwalls | Hi Folks My father is interested in getting a Powerwall but he does not want to go through the distributors here in Puerto Rico as they charge an arm and a leg. My brother is an electrician so he could manage the installation. Is it possible to just buy a powerwall without the installation? I m assuming Tesla frowns upon that for warranty reasons... but we d much rather ship it from Texas and install it ourselves. | stryk3r1215 | 2019-09-19 16:57:01 | 18 | f0t5qvs | I do not think they sell directly to consumers. You need to go through Tesla or a certified installer. | tdk1007 | 2019-09-19 18:06:32 | 18 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
6urygm | Buying Tesla X from private seller things to watch out for? | Hello I m offered a good deal for a used X (~10k miles) what are the things I need to pay attention to before I pull the trigger? Thanks! | korDen | 2017-08-19 22:13:28 | 30 | dluxmwt | There are delivery-oriented lists that would still apply to a resold vehicle. My personal advice would be to make sure the FWD sensors actually detect objects the way they re supposed to. Make sure the trim on any fold-down seats isn t coming loose. Make sure the FWDs don t creak squeak squeal or crack when they open and close at more extreme angles (e.g. very tight parking spaces). Make sure the magnetic sun visors actually engage the magnetic receptacle on the rear-view mirror housing. Some of the newer VINs have had alignment issues with those. Take a ride in it on a bumpy road with A C and radio off and make sure there aren t any unpleasant noises when it s moving. That s all I ve got off the top of my head. | ersatzcrab | 2017-08-19 22:23:29 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ens5cw | Buying Tesla online vs. showroom | I wanted to know if there was any difference or advantages disadvantages to buying a Tesla online vs. the showroom via a sales rep. I figured the sales rep would set up delivery closer to the date and help with financing at that time. Let me know what your experience has been and what s the best option for me. Thanks! | bearsy9 | 2020-01-12 19:36:32 | 34 | fe4dpql | In showroom they just direct you to a computer to pay zero difference. Once deposit is made a delivery advisor will find you a match and help you complete next step. Sales rep is just there to provide information | kashuda2 | 2020-01-12 19:43:14 | 76 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
1u2bsn | Buying Tesla s used in the future | The year is 2025. You re 18 years old and have scrapped together enough cash to buy your first ever car. Somebody on Future! Craigslist is selling a used Tesla model E. They were a pretty well received car when they were new and can be had at around the price of a ten year old used car today. Is there anything new you d have to take into account when buying a used electric car? Would battery life or anything else make buying used more difficult or less worth the price? | StarLiner42 | 2013-12-31 03:10:09 | 38 | cedt4u4 | Only a 17 inch touchscreen? Get real. This car had door handles? FAFL! (Future Acronym For Laughter) | manbear666 | 2013-12-31 03:22:40 | 35 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
73mep1 | Buying With Cash or Financed? | What s the cost difference? On the Tesla website if you click the CASH area for payment options the price is significantly cheaper because it looks like it immediately uses the tax reductions against the price. Is this true? Or am I just assuming things? | jacobj2 | 2017-10-01 15:56:46 | 10 | dnrclng | Financing will always cost more due to interest. But the lost opportunity of using that cash towards other things (like investing) might make paying all cash more expensive depending on how you invest that money and the actual returns on it. | CardinalsFanatic | 2017-10-01 15:58:49 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ekgwfb | Buying a 2015 Model S - What am would I be missing out on compared to new tech wise? | Title explains it all. I ve done some research and so far have came to the conclusion if buying a used Model S it would need to be at least a 2015 for at least the AutoPilot feature. Am I correct on this assumption? Also what else would I be missing out on tech wise going with a 2015 instead of brand new? | new2thishtorw | 2020-01-05 18:31:58 | 17 | fdax4dk | I always think it s strange when people try to talk a used model S buyer into getting a model 3 instead. Two very different cars. I bought a used S because I liked the style a lot more than the 3 and I wanted the display behind the steering wheel in addition to the larger screen in the middle. I own a 2015 Model S 85D. The car has AP 1 and MCU 1. So you won t get: Sentry mode full self-driving Navigate on Autopilot media streaming (YouTube Netflix etc.) Caraoke Smart Summon some arcade games (like Beach Buggy). That being said I love my model S. The Autopilot still works great and I use it every day. I love the big screen and the display behind the steering wheel. I love all the cargo space with the hatchback. If you can find a nice deal on the S I say go for it! | chicagouber | 2020-01-05 19:10:15 | 43 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
a6dkbe | Buying a CPO (used) Model S 85D experience | I received my 2015 Model S 85D today and wanted to share my experience with the new CPO (used) process for anyone else looking at CPOs. *TLDR: Tesla s used sales and delivery agents are friendly but aren t the most helpful useful. The photos provided won t necessarily show all (or any) of the damaged areas. The CPO process isn t very good but hopefully will get better.* I started looking for a CPO Model S a little over a month ago (mid November) and primarily used [ev-cpo.com](https: ev-cpo.com) since I found it the easiest way to filter exactly what I was looking for and search across the entire country. I was new to Tesla so it took a decent amount of research to figure out what exactly the different options were based on when the Model S was manufactured. Basically what it boiled down to for me was a 2015+ 85D or 90D black dark grey white exterior and black or grey interior with autopilot enabled. Target price range was something below $50k with less than 50 000 miles so I would get the 4 year warranty. I d recommend searching daily as new cars are always being added and depending on what they re listed at can sell fairly quickly. When requesting photos I found them to be hit or miss in terms of quality and whether or not they actually highlight all of the damage. Pictures seem to range anywhere from 640x480 to 1600x1200 resolution (sometimes higher) and when I requested more photos on a particular listing I was interested in I was told those were the only photos available. Some of the photos I did see highlighted each damaged section with a separate photo zoomed in on the area often with a ruler to show the scale. However this varied widely as it seemed to be completely up to the person who processed the vehicle to determine what is normal wear and tear or how much effort they wanted to spend on identifying scratches scuffs etc. Since you can t see the vehicle prior to putting a deposit down I was very hesitant to buy anything with low quality photos and no separate images that showed damages. For example there was a pretty good deal on a 90D with 29k miles but the photos were pretty low resolution and no images highlighted any damage which was surprising for the price it was listed at. I almost put a deposit down on it but just couldn t do it based on the poor quality photos. Someone else ended up putting a deposit on it but it was listed again a week later. Makes me wonder if they refused delivery. After missing a couple of other listings I was close to putting a deposit on (someone else putting a deposit before I was ready to) I found the 85D I took delivery on today for $45 400 which I knew wasn t the best deal since I ve seen a couple go for a bit cheaper but this one had fairly high resolution photos and no apparent damage. Throughout this process I worked with two different used car sales agents and while they were extremely nice they were very difficult to get a hold of and not very helpful. The impression I get is they have a lot of inexperienced employees and there s poor coordination among Tesla s used car division. Another thing to note is price is apparently controlled by a computer algorithm that will lower or raise the price based on a number of variables. From what I saw the prices generally decreased over time but on occasion would increase a few or several hundred dollars. The day after putting the deposit down I was contacted by the used car agent I was previously working with but did not hear from for several days. He processed some paperwork and the day after that I was contacted by a delivery agent. At the time I was expecting to have to fly out to pick up the car and drive it back but apparently the day I was contacted by the delivery agent is when they started offering flat rate shipping of $2 000 to anywhere in the U.S. so that s the option I took. In the mean time I created an account on the Tesla website and had to complete a few items such as uploading my drivers license proof of insurance etc. After another day or two I finally got an email saying they ve finalized the paperwork and would notify me when the car is available for pick up. I asked for an estimate on when it would be available but was told they had no idea. Interesting. After waiting a few days I receive a text with an estimated pick up date and time. I contacted the delivery agent and apparently this was incorrect as that she would be the only person with the delivery info. I asked if they could at least tell me if it would be weeks months or several months since I had already sold one of my other cars and was thinking about getting a rental in the mean time so my wife wasn t stranded at home when I m at work. Fortunately I was told the car would be available for pick up later that week. The local delivery center here only does in-home delivery Mon-Fri so that s what I went with. A couple days went by and I noticed on the original Dropbox link I was sent with the car photos two new photos were added that highlighted a bunch of scratches on the front grill area. I downloaded the images and looked at the meta data to see they were taken after I had already put the down payment. These scratches were not in the original pictures I saw so my guess is they happened while they were moving the vehicle. I contacted the used car sales agent I was working with to see what the options were. After some back and forth he said I would be able to take it to a service center after I took delivery of the vehicle to get that part swapped out. Fast forward to today the car shows up an hour and a half later than scheduled based on some issues they had at the delivery center (power outage or something). The delivery agent was nice but I was a bit surprised that she immediately wanted to start signing paperwork. Before I signed anything I told her I was going to look at the vehicle first and did a walk around of the exterior and interior. The car looked to be in pretty good condition but there was some more minor damage that wasn t highlighted in the photos (link to the pictures below). According to her I could take it to the service center to get it repaired if it wasn t disclosed in the photos. I knew this was probably not completely true but the minor damages weren t enough for me to refuse delivery so I signed the paperwork made my final payments and accepted the delivery. Here s some photos I took: [https: www.dropbox.com sh 7adpf3xkgprooi1 AADEiEK5z2dwrnizMXZM-I5Ha?dl=0](https: www.dropbox.com sh 7adpf3xkgprooi1 AADEiEK5z2dwrnizMXZM-I5Ha?dl=0) The first picture is just the vehicle overall. The second picture is showing some damage to the front lip. In the third picture there s a bunch of rock chips one fairly noticeable and the rest are very light. The fourth picture is the rear bumper right below the trunk showing small but very deep scratches. The fifth is just some very light scuffs on the rear bumper (I know I can fix these). The sixth is a rock chip on the front windshield - one of several but this is the biggest. Some other things I noticed: * The interior had a few minor issues I could not see in the original photos. Some small black stains (pen marks) on the driver seat light scuffs on the glove box one of the clips that the floor mat velcro too doesn t seem to hold etc. While they did a decent job cleaning there was still some areas they clearly missed like the cup holders and a small cubby below the main display (food crumbs still in there). * I received a windshield washer fluid low and right front tire pressure low warning as soon as I started driving. Not a huge deal but still poor form in my opinion to deliver a vehicle with simple things Tesla could have fixed. * The previous owners information was still in the vehicle (home address work address etc.). I performed a factory reset. Same as above not a huge deal but just poor form on Tesla s part. * No mobile charger only an adapter. Luckily I caught this before the delivery agent left. She was able to coordinate with the Tesla service center so I could just stop by and pick it up. They gave me a brand new mobile charger and adapter which I guess is nice. * California HOV stickers were removed. I requested them to be removed after I had put the deposit down. The used car sales agent said he would put in a request but didn t think they would be able to remove them. When I stopped by the service center the service folks told me I would have to work with my used car sales agent to have a work order put in from his end to get the front grill piece replaced. I then talked to the local delivery agent there who had the mobile charger for me. He took some pictures of the damage and said he would get in contact with my used car sales agent to see what they could do. Overall I m happy with the vehicle. However Tesla s CPO process is pretty bad. Buying a car you can t see in person is already bad enough but providing inconsistent low quality photos that don t always highlight damages is pretty sad. I d say if you re in the market for a CPO be patient look for the listings with high quality photos so you have a better idea of what you re getting (less surprises) but expect there may be some additional damage that wasn t highlighted. | shred86 | 2018-12-15 08:02:08 | 32 | ebv082q | It s hilarious that Tesla who is supposed to be a technology leader and disruptor in the car industry can t provide photos of the product and communication on par a two bit used car lot. | ViperRT10Matt | 2018-12-15 19:41:20 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ad1r2w | Buying a CPO Tesla Model S help | with prices dropping due to the model 3 (I m assuming) I may pull the trigger on the year 13 or 14 model S. Model S is actually my favorite of all three so good for me ha. Any advice or things to look for? Whats good miles? Also looking for under 40k. I saw the actual Tesla site had plenty under 40. I just don t know best | tdawgsmitty | 2019-01-06 03:21:07 | 20 | edd6kq5 | I picked up my 2015 Model S 70 just before Christmas. 40k miles tech package with AP1 for $40k out the door. Mine is CPO so I got new front and rear glass new tires brakes and I ve got a couple issues they re still gonna take care of. The pictures Tesla gives you are awful. You will feel stupid for throwing $2500 at a car you ve never seen. The entire sales process is awful. No one really has any idea what is going on. There will be curb rash. The delivery center will be understaffed and there will be at least two Model 3 s being stored in the bathroom. That feeling though when you type your car s name into the keyboard and drive off? The best. | skatterbean | 2019-01-06 07:06:50 | 14 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
4n0ase | Buying a GM Bolt this year then trading it in next year for a Tesla Model 3. Feasible idea? | I currently drive a disgusting old SUV and very much am ready to join the EV lifestyle. I was in line at the Tesla Gallery on the morning of March 31st and put down my Model 3 deposit as soon as I could so I should be near the top of the list. Is it feasible to buy a Bolt this year and then turn around next year (assuming it s indeed ready by 2017) and buy the Model 3? If I can get the tax credit of $7 500 for both 2016 and 2017 would that make the economics better with respect to depreciation on the Bolt? Thanks very much for any guidance anyone can offer. | [deleted] | 2016-06-07 17:50:10 | 19 | d3zsrff | Keep in mind GM is the company trying to block Tesla in many states. I love electric vehicles but I refuse to even walk into a GM dealership because of their sleazy tactics and I really wanted a Bolt. But I agree with others resale value is going to drop big time so lease is the only option. If you don t need the 200 miles maybe getting a killer lease deal on the BMW i3 Nissan LEAF and VW e-Golf which all offer increased range now might be a better option. | acnotdc | 2016-06-07 18:51:31 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
b0855k | Buying a Model 3 | I m considering buying a new Model 3 and have been reading a lot on the prices changing. I was going to get the premium interior mid range vehicle and wanted only the autopilot. Originally my configuration was at 43K is this going to fluctuate a lot? The FSD and AP price change is confusing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. | darbyj1223 | 2019-03-12 14:03:19 | 15 | eico8ud | The changing autopilot FSD prices are only for those who bought before Feb 28th. Whatever is currently on the website is supposed to increase by 3% on March 18th except for the base 35k model. So if you re on the fence I d recommend making the decision before March 18th. Overall - amazingly fantastic car. I ve been excited to drive it on a daily basis for the last 8 months. | Eldanon | 2019-03-12 14:05:05 | 24 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
df5a8p | Buying a Model 3 from another dealership used | Hello All. Just checking to see if buying a Tesla Model 3 used from a local dealer who has it in stock would put me at any disadvantage for future warranty claims etc. It has a clean title and carfax. Also the owner claims it has FSD. Is there any way I can check if it has the full self driving capability ? THanks | common_fkin_sense | 2019-10-08 19:58:10 | 29 | f30z9x6 | The warranty should carry over to you as the new owner. To verify FSD you could ask to see the MVPA for the car if it was purchased with FSD. If FSD was added later you will want to check that the car actually has FSD and not just EAP. Maybe ask to see the invoice. | onelovebraj | 2019-10-08 20:05:31 | 36 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
d8p56j | Buying a Model 3 in 2021. Used vs New at that point. | Hi all Just looking for people s thoughts on the matter. We are currently saving for a house and afterwards I want to add a Model 3 to my garage (since I don t want one without a garage first!) and am conflicted on used vs new. I typically will always buy cars 2-3 years old as that s just the sweet spot in terms of devaluation and bang for your buck but with Tesla it s almost like buying computer hardware I feel (as soon as you buy a new GPU or CPU there s a better one out there). Do you guys feel the same way? I m thinking that even if the used market does cool off and used Model 3 s are priced appropiately it might still be worth it just to have the latest refinements refinements and no factory errors from previous models - not to mention the regular benefits you get from buying new (dat new car small tho) Another thing is that battery tech is increasing so fast and at that point we might consider ~300 miles to be low. Especially since I live in a winter environment I really don t want to worry about range in winter with the ~50% decrease in range. Thanks | Shogun5 | 2019-09-24 15:56:21 | 17 | f1bqulf | I think a 1 year old Model 3 will be fantastic value as there will probably be a glut of them when the Model Y comes out. Tesla will probably chop the price of new model 3 s by another thousand after the Tax break goes fully away after the end of the year. But yeah you ll just have to dive in when you feel ready. You ll always have a little bit of fomo when owning these cars because they iterate and update them at such a rapid pace. No real good time to dive in until you are financially ready. Whatever you choose to do you ll love the car. | kramer318 | 2019-09-24 16:01:43 | 52 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
9181wi | Buying a Powerwall without install | I m looking to buy a Powerwall without having Tesla install it for me. I essentially want to use it as a large UPS for a home lab setup but I don t own the property so I don t want to invest in having it fixed. Goal would be to essentially connect it corded to a 20A circuit and then have a hardwired gang box coming out of it for power. I m tired of buying and spending money on APC UPSes and the like with lead acid batteries and low run times. I m an electrical engineer so I can handle the connections and such. Anyone have any ideas how to get one? Edit: Just called to double check - I can t just buy one. They want to install it for me or use a Tesla certified installer. | dbkon | 2018-07-23 15:33:22 | 18 | e2w1dq1 | Did you try and call Tesla sales? The phone number is (888) 518-3752 [according to the Tesla website](https: www.tesla.com support). | huppie | 2018-07-23 15:38:58 | 8 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
eh2r4p | Buying a Showroom Model 3 will the Delivery Service Center be able to fix these issues upon delivery? | I have a Model 3 that I am set to take delivery of in a few days. It is a Stealth Model 3 however it was a showroom vehicle that was in the showroom for around 2 months (2020 VIN). As the showroom was a few hours away from me I was not able to see the vehicle before I ordered it. When I finally got pictures I noticed a few issues: 1. Both the driver s and passenger s side seats show noticeable wear (very able to tell that it was used for an extended period). 2. The passenger seat s seams near the center top portion of the seat seem to be visible and coming apart. 3. There are a couple of scratches on the body of the vehicle that are very visible (the showroom person was able to provide clear photos of them). 4. The plastic panels on the interior — especially the ones below the passenger s and driver s seatbelts — are very scuffed and scratched (likely from people continuously getting in and out of the vehicle) The odometer on the MVPA reads 50 miles which is of course a placeholder for vehicles that have less than that. That being said because of the non-existent miles on it they offered an almost insignificant price adjustment of $500 simply for it being a showroom vehicle. My question is — will they be able to fix all or any of the issues above at delivery? If not would I be able to get any of these resolved at a service center in the future (through warranty or other means without me paying out of pocket)? As it s a Stealth Model I really do not want to refuse delivery but a supposedly new $55k vehicle with all of those issues would be hard to take. I tried talking to my Tesla contact regarding this but they had no definite answers for me. Any advice is appreciated especially from those who have experience with this. Thanks! | Apollo5280 | 2019-12-29 06:35:29 | 12 | fce8gjg | If they tell you upfront that they will fix it then they can and will fix it. Make sure you have it in writing (important!). If they wont promise you upfront to fix it then they will definitely not fix it later. 1 2 4 alle sound like they will need to be replaced to fix the issues. 3 could be just a buff job but might be a repaint. | Alpha-MF | 2019-12-29 11:11:33 | 12 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
bdx727 | Buying a Tesla 3 quick questions | 1. Is the auto-pilot on the Model 3 more advanced than the navigation on the Model S? I hear mixed reviews regarding the auto-pilot capabilities but I m not sure if that applies to the 2019 models as well. I certainly hope the Model S s auto-pilot isn t inferior when you are paying so much more for the car. 2. Does Tesla plan to make their current vehicles fully autonomous with self-driving capabilities? I heard something about having your car become a self-driving Uber is this possible with the current Model S or only on Model 3 or future car upgrades? 3. Is the Model S planning to come out with a new design anytime soon? Thanks | YRuafraid | 2019-04-16 18:13:28 | 12 | el1e2ql | 1. Currently no. It will likely be at some point in the future. 2. They claim they will but again no real details or timelines. 3. No announcements or hard data yet. | mcowger | 2019-04-16 18:18:33 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
5htlgp | Buying a Tesla what can I do before it gets here? | Please comment correct add to this list. We should get a sticky to show a new buyer the timing on things like: 1) you have 5 days after down payment to change things 2) you will get a VIN soon after that 3) if you use Tesla finance you need to complete finance eligibility well before you take delivery 30 days seems to work well 4) if you live in California you can apply for carpool lane permit when you get your VIN????????? 5) get your insurance binder a week to 24 hours before delivery. Tesla may change when they want you to pick up your car 6) Start reading the manual early (2 weeks at least) it s a long one. You need only skim it but be sure you know where to find things. You may want to carefully read some sections to have questions you don t get answered by the manual ready for your delivery day 7) Plan time on delivery day do not rush. Make the car park in all modes (friend had his hit a planter during auto parking and was told the car was not calibrated yet ). Be sure everything works before you drive off. | duke_of_alinor | 2016-12-12 00:50:26 | 12 | db3v8ip | this may not apply to you but if i were to do it all over again i would do the things below not in any order except solar and 200A service to house and 100A in garage first * solar (i will never build a house without this again its ridiculous not to have it) * 200A-300A service to the house * cat6 jack to the garage so i can install a PoE AP retrofitting works but better to just have the house built with it * 100A subpanel in the garage * 240v rough-in for garage not just for the car but for 240v things like pressure washers and things. * 2ton jack * good quality torque wrench and good quality deep impact sockets * electric impact gun had an air gun before sucks compared to electric wouldnt waste money on air again * 20gal air compressor (for tires and other things) * copper anti seize because of rust and corrosion (where i am you need it) * good quality tire racks * good quality buffer * gallons of 303 aerospace protectant (any other products are a waste of money i only use 303 now) * multiple bottles of FW1 (not the longest lasting but its the fastest application time is important to me) * electric snow blower (FFS why didnt i get this when i moved in i can clear my driveway in 1 8th the time and not even break a sweat it also does a better job) * good quality 12ga extension cables both for charging the car and for tools * 240v pressure washer (gas works good but is loud smells like crap have to go to gas station have to do oil changes ugh just dont bother with gas) * lights the maximum amount you can put in your garage at least 40-50K lumens evenly lit even mounted on the walls chest height for the best detailing environment to work in. * mirrors bigger the better this way you can park your tesla with precision each and every time my garage isnt big and i only have 20cm of clearance so i have to use a mirror * touch screen compatible gloves got mine from costco works good * weather tech floor mats the tesla all weather ones are actually weather tech made so whatever is the better price * duffle bag for emergency bag recommend a water proof one. should contain air compressor tire patch kit (recommend safety seal) breaker bar and sockets for not just the tesla but other cars so that means 17mm-22mm emergency set of clothes in a sealed dry bag print out of the fuses in the tesla just incase (had to use it once) good quality large led flash light wide angle lens * screen cleaning cloth a good quality microfiber cloth works better i find * snow brush (if it snows where you are) * good quality brass wire wheels to grind off corrosion when the car does finally arrive go over literally every feature open every cubby hole look over every sq mm of the car basically just be familiar with it and know how to use it. | AC1K | 2016-12-12 18:32:20 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
eiiz19 | Buying a Tesla - From Order Page to Delivery | I made a [video](https: youtu.be pSVEzsPkvv8) ([https: youtu.be pSVEzsPkvv8](https: youtu.be pSVEzsPkvv8)) about what the purchase process is like via carrier direct. Was always curious what the general flow was like buying a car off the internet. Here it is for those whom are curious. This was the process in September 2018. Procrastinated just a bit (not much... just like 15 months) getting the video up. Don t think much has changed with the process now other than much faster turnarounds. If you reside further than 220 miles away from a Service Center the car will be shipped direct via third party carrier. You could possibly also travel to a Service Center to pick it up and drive home. (depends on State). I asked to pick it up from Colorado since it would be my future home but was told it had to be Kansas or shipped direct. My carrier gave me a 30 minute walkthrough of the vehicle but this could vary. I ve read some just drop off the car. Some states do not allow a Tesla presence in these states the sales tax etc... will not be charged at the time of payment. Tesla will send you all the paperwork required to do so yourself when your temporary registration is about to expire. It also maybe a good idea to start getting insurance worked out but a VIN usually takes a few days to be assigned. For states that require a front plate a front plate bracket attached via adhesive is included with the car. I think its worth the extra fee in my case to pay for the single plate option. | Venator-Fox | 2020-01-01 14:40:31 | 40 | fcqqv1x | I m in the market to buy this year.. Thanks for posting! | justin552 | 2020-01-01 14:59:25 | 15 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
hx3wm2 | Buying a Tesla but Using My Credit Union | I m about to pull the trigger on a Tesla but the loan I m using is going to be through my credit union. I ve been approved and ready to go. They told me all I need is the purchase order from Tesla when that happens. One thing I m stumped on on the order page you have the option Cash Lease or Loan. Does it matter which one I pick? Obviously I know not to pick lease. I feel like this shouldn t be a big deal but being such a big purchase I don t want to mess this up...haha. | BrandonR24 | 2020-07-24 15:35:00 | 11 | fz3lk81 | You would be picking cash. | OrbitalATK | 2020-07-24 15:36:52 | 22 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
f6e6u7 | Buying a Tesla in Michigan | I ve been reading that Tesla won the case in Michigan so they can service cars here now and also can sell them but they have to have a title in a different state. I m going to be test driving a Model 3 next week in Detroit. If I want will I be able to buy the Model 3 from the gallery here or would I have to buy it in Ohio or online? I checked last year and the guy in Detroit said that I d have to talk about sales with a rep in Cleveland but that was before Tesla won the case in Michigan. | vogelvision | 2020-02-19 17:38:16 | 23 | fi45fn0 | Ask and see what they say during the test drive. Just be aware unless they have already delivered cars under the new arrangement the info they give you might not be 100% accurate. Tell us what they say | MidnightRider3000 | 2020-02-19 17:45:39 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4z0pln | Buying a Tesla in Poland - is it worth the inconvenience? | Hi! My name is Czarek and it s my first post here. I live in Poland and I seriously consider buying a Tesla as my next car (I ve reserved the Model 3). So here comes my question same as in the title is it REALLY worth the inconvenience when it comes to charging range etc.? You should know that in Poland we have only 1 (literally ONE) Super Charger with some more to come but still not enough to cover whole country or even main cities. We also don t have any incentives for buying an EV (only free parking in some cities) which makes it a rather expensive thing to buy. As a urban vehicle it s a perfect choice (I can charge at home) but what happens when I want to go for example to Rzeszow (~900 km)? What do you guys think? Should I buy it and enjoy everything I love about EVs and Tesla in particular or wait? | iWantToBeBrave | 2016-08-22 14:13:57 | 10 | d6rvswl | Buy it as your daily driver and for the few times you have to go long distance rent a vehicle.. less miles on your personal car anyway. Yes he rental is not a EV. This answer is just one of many solutions available to you. | trinitesla | 2016-08-22 14:39:33 | 6 | Tesla Challenges in Germany |
uuttt2 | Buying a Tesla in Texas | Hello there first time posting here and I m sorry about formatting I m on mobile as well. I was wondering if anyone recently bought their Tesla while living in Texas and could walk me through the experience they had? Reason being I already own a model 3 but my in -laws have loved it every time they visit so are considering getting a model Y but are confused by different articles about whether or not you can actually get a Tesla in Texas. Thanks in advance! | Baxionataire | 2022-05-21 19:11:01 | 15 | i9hdz3u | You absolutely can buy a Tesla in Texas. There s just some weird quirks with our FrEeDoM laws here. But all it doesn t really impact you at the end of the day you just have to make sure that you ve got all of your financing set and in order (just like with any other car purchase) and Tesla will handle the rest. | 007meow | 2022-05-21 19:26:24 | 19 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
71ah0g | Buying a Tesla in Texas | I m very strongly considering the purchase of a Tesla Model S I m currently unsure if I want to do new or pre-owned. Has anyone had any experience buying one of these cars in Texas? I ve always heard a lot of things about there being issues with doing so but I m not entirely sure what to expect. | ThirdTimeFisherman | 2017-09-20 11:40:12 | 37 | dn98y01 | No issues at all. You actually buy the car from California it s delivered to your local service center and have 30 days to register in Texas. When you register it you ll pay the sales tax directly. Depending on the bank you finance with they may allow you to finance more which will help you pay for the sales tax. I paid out-of-pocket. Once you pay for your sales tax you will get Texas plates. | castane | 2017-09-20 11:44:58 | 28 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
1palba | Buying a Tesla in a country with no Tesla presence. How to get a dealership license. (Europe-Romania) | I ll keep this short: i ve been looking to buy a Tesla Model S in Romania and the only current way to do it is through a company that does business with the official Tesla dealer in Milan Italy. Along the way the price for the base model somehow inflates to 172 000 Euros (about 240k $) the performace 85kw model is 212k Euro. Even accounting for 24% VAT this means a 100% margin for the dealer which is simply unacceptable. My questions are these: 1. How does one order a euro-spec car directly from Tesla ( the buy > order your Tesla option on their website doesn t work for Europe). 2. Along the way i ve met 6-7 other guys in Romania and 2 in Bulgaria who would like to buy a Tesla at the right price (about 100.000 Euros) but can t. I currently own and operate a Renault service and sublicensed dealership and i d like to expand into selling Teslas. How would one acquire a Tesla dealershipo license? As a sidenote i understand Tesla is a small company compared to the established monsters like GM or Daimler but somebody should take the time to answer the e-mails sent to marketing. Especially when people are trying to order cars or establish dealerships. | [deleted] | 2013-10-27 03:17:27 | 21 | cd0hupz | Tesla doesn t have dealers - they sell all cars directly - so whatever company you re talking about must not be official they are just buying cars and then re-selling them. | chambo622 | 2013-10-27 06:21:52 | 13 | Tesla Challenges in Germany |
cfoly7 | Buying a Tesla in a nation that doesn t have a charging infrastructure. | I am based in India and my elder brother (based in Mumbai) really wants to buy a Tesla but our country doesn t have good charging infrastructure. I mean it s virtually non-existent. It costs a lot in India due to customs and stuff but he is ready to brave all that. I personally advise him to stick to a normal petrol car as he can get a luxury one in that price but he seems to have some fascination with Tesla models. What can be the way out here ? Any help is welcome. | Don_Draper22 | 2019-07-20 17:47:31 | 40 | eubcvpd | There may be limited (or non-existent) charging infrastructure but there is still electricity :-). As long as you can charge from home and always leave with a full tank you should be fine. Don t get caught up in superchargers or fast charge rates. If the car is charging overnight even a trickle charger will (under most circumstances) be sufficient. Get robust tires to handle Mumbai roads :-). | hmspain | 2019-07-20 17:51:41 | 23 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
f5ww9e | Buying a Tesla in a state with no service centers | So I m thinking of getting a Model Y later this year but I live in a state where Teslas are not allowed to be sold direct. Going to pick up the car out of state isn t a big deal to me but the nearest service center is 150+ miles away. What happens if it breaks down and can t be driven to the service center? Does the answer to this question change depending on if it s under warranty? I know Teslas are supposed to be very reliable but this situation does cause me to worry a bit. Also what happens if I get into a wreck and it has to be towed? Edit: For those wondering I live in Alabama. | A_Short-Armed_Titan | 2020-02-18 19:08:25 | 18 | fi1pl83 | North Dakotan here. Nearest service center is in Eden Prairie MN. (250 miles from east edge of ND to there plus travel to get to MN.) So about 4+ hrs one way. I took delivery at the SC. When ND Tesla owners have issues (anywhere in ND — ND is 8 hours of driving wide) we book service like anyone else through the app or car. Tesla has a remote “ranger” who drives to us and does whatever services he can do for us. Anything that needs a SC he makes the arrangements for. In short it s doable. And provided you don t get a lemon or don t abuse your car with ridiculousness you will be fine. | vandilx | 2020-02-18 21:44:56 | 19 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
eq68nj | Buying a Used Tesla Model 3 | I have been looking through all of the online sites for used Model 3 s for months now hoping to find a good deal with no luck. Why are 2 year old Model 3 s selling for only $2k less than a brand new one? How are they selling these? Especially when the seller probably received the full subsidies. A new one seems like a much better deal. Anyone have any insight? | blu_horseshoe | 2020-01-17 20:49:06 | 63 | feo5iu0 | We really aren t sure who is paying so much for used Model 3s when a new one is about the same price. No one has admitted to it on here. But if they are actually selling for that that s what they are worth. It might have to do with the fact that deliveries are lumpy and someone might not want to wait 8 weeks for a new Model 3. It could be someone putting them on Turo and planning to put them on the Tesla Network when FSD is out because at that time the price of used and new Model 3s will go up a lot. | pmsyyz | 2020-01-17 21:10:17 | 39 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
rwqm52 | Buying a Y only to trade in for the X? | My wife and I placed an ordered for a Y Performance and an X long range a few days ago. Long story short we decided it was more wise to just order one Tesla so now we have the two deposits to choose from. ETA for the Y is March whereas the X is January 2023. I decided for the X and am planning on cancelling my deposit for the Y. However a family friend told me to take delivery of the Y and to trade it in when the X finally comes. He said the Y holds value so well that I would likely break even or be out very little if anything. I looked at inventory of the Y and can see there s no more in “Existing Inventory” and used ones from third parties are worth more than new MSRP - So it seems his theory may have some substance. What do you guys think? Is it financially smart to just drop the Y and wait for the X or does the Y hold value so well I can trade it in for the X in less than a year if delivery and break even (or out very little)? | iam10ten | 2022-01-05 16:21:28 | 52 | hrdnvns | Unless you need a car in March I d just hold off. Just a hassle of buying paying tax new tags new insurance all of it just to buy and trade in the car in 9 months. If I may ask why the X over the Y? | HenMeister | 2022-01-05 17:34:27 | 86 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4vsm84 | Buying a floor demo model? | I m thinking of buying a Model S P90DL off the New showroom inventory on Tesla s website (already put down a deposit actually) but I have a few concerns I m hoping the hive mind here could help me with. For a $27 grand discount from a new model I m super excited to get a 2016 classic bumper look with only 80 miles to its name. However I know I m essentially buying last years model since the 16 refresh has a few features like the HEPA filter that weren t included in the earlier models as well as a less future proof platform for any upgrades. Any help on where I can find a list of the other subtle changes I might be missing out by not getting a new refresh? Any idea what can be installed in the classic 2016 S to bring it in line with the refresh (HEPA filter) or what I m definitely going to miss out on in the future (v8.0)? Anyone have any experience buying a showroom floor model they d like to share? I could only hold out for two months after my test drive before finally pulling the trigger on one of these bad boys and am super excited to be joining the Tesla family! To kill time before delivery it sounded like a good idea to get a better sense of what all I m missing out on in the name of the classier-looking (IMO) front bumper and a price discount. Thanks!! | rediTTTlaw | 2016-08-02 14:12:26 | 28 | d613rvq | That sounds like a great deal. The refreshed model also has improved LED headlights. Resale value might not be as good but that discount is huge. | paulwesterberg | 2016-08-02 15:25:35 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
i8prj2 | Buying a house with a Tesla Powerwall already installed? Here s how you get it set up for you. | I want to share my experience of buying a house with a solar array and a Tesla Power Wall already installed. There s loads of information on the pros and cons about buying one and installing it etc. but what if it s already installed? I tried searching up and down the internet and even asking here about what to do. I turned up nothing about how to handle this situation. Naturally there s quite a bit about buying used Tesla vehicles but people generally buy those more often than they buy homes. The good news is that it s pretty easy once you figure it out. A few details about my exact set-up. I have a Tesla Powerwall 2 hooked up to a Tesla Gateway 1. I have a 26-panel rooftop solar array not made by Tesla going to a SMA Sunny Boy inverter. All the equipment was purchased by the previous homeowners through a medium-sized licensed installer. There was no wired LAN set-up in the house including nothing for the Tesla or SMA products. The previous owners left most of the instruction manuals so I wasn t flying completely blind. But the sale did go a little sideways so contacting the previous owners is kind of out of the question. Everything was left in the on active state and was functioning nominally. Your mileage will almost assuredly vary. The first step is getting your Tesla Powerwall and Gateway online. Per Tesla this is absolutely a required step. Thankfully this is pretty easy and can be done as soon as your Wi-Fi is set up and you have physical access to the Gateway. I think this only an issue with the Gateway 1 but the Gateway may look like a very non-descript electrical panel. I think the Gateway 2 looks like it belongs with the Powerwall. The short description is connect to the Gateway update the network info check the Gateway has connection to the internet and job done! [Tesla created this handy guide to follow.](https: www.tesla.com support energy powerwall own monitoring-from-home-network) Really this the easy part with excellent documentation. Unfortunately this is where the trail runs cold. You can t self-register your Powerwall (successfully in my experience anyways). Emails to Tesla weren t being answered. The website s FAQ and Support pages are no help at all. The manuals mention nothing about transferring ownership and you can t even log into the app if you don t have a device! Worse still you re stuck with whatever settings your previous owners had. The next step is to **call** Tesla support. Make sure you have a copy of your home s deed as they will need this to transfer ownership. It would also help to know remember the name of the previous owners but that will be on the deed. Call **1-888-518-3752** and follow the telephone tree for the Tesla Energy Support. Explain that you need to transfer ownership of the Powerwall. For me I emailed the Customer Service Rep directly with my deed. After he received it he sent me an email back to register. If you already registered a Tesla account (as I did) you will have to set it all up again. (Don t worry you can use the same password if you want. Or change it up. You do you!) Again follow all the instructions. My rep wanted to stay on the phone and make sure everything worked. Again your mileage may vary. After registering you should be able to log into the app using the info you just provided. Now you have access to all the fun parts - power reserve adjustment remote flow monitoring storm watch etc. I know this seems to be an edge case for the moment – it doesn t seem that many people are selling homes with the Powerwall – but I hope it helps someone else. If you haven t purchased the house yet and are just doing research at this point I hope this shows you how easy it can and should be. | SetsChaos | 2020-08-13 00:27:22 | 279 | g1a1opz | Thanks for taking time to share good information! | [deleted] | 2020-08-13 01:01:56 | 32 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
f1qbec | Buying a model 3 in Scotland | Hi all I ve read online about an age restriction on teslas in the UK. What isn t clear to me is whether that s for test driving or for buying? From what I ve read it seems like it s just restricting test drives but nothing I can find is clear about this stuff. Currently I m 20 but from what I ve found says 21 if I have to wait that s fine but I ve got another 8 months to wait till then and I have a potential buyer for my current car so I m in the market now. If anyone knows that d be useful. TIA | thecorky | 2020-02-10 13:30:26 | 14 | fh7ujbu | You can buy at any age. By the end of the transaction the car is yours so Tesla doesn t really mind. However for their insurance purposes you cannot test drive a Tesla under 25. This is due to how expensive the cars are and the fact that if you wreck it tesla is the one liable for it. | ArcusSpartan | 2020-02-10 14:31:23 | 19 | Test Driving Tesla Models |
f8vwtl | Buying a model 3 long range single motor in Vancouver Canada | Hey had a test drive yesterday of a model 3 and I really enjoyed the car. I believe the amount that my monthly payment would come out to would be a little lower than what I pay in gas every month for my current car (370z which is a pig). Also the insurance is virtually the same price so it seems like a no brainer to me cause I d literally be saving money every month driving a Tesla. I just wanted to ask 2 questions that I m not entirely sure about. 1st) I m assuming there are lots of model 3 long range owners on here. How have you like the car so far? Any real complaints? Anything you love about the car (aside from now gas). 2nd) There is a 8k provincial rebate that apparently might be ending on March 31 according to the sales man? Does anyone have additional info on this? Also I ve researched online that there is a federal rebate of $5000 am I eligible for both of these for a total of 13k or am I missing something? Thanks in advance! Edit: This is honestly one of the best sub Reddit s. I was a little worried asking this question but the answers are perfect and very informative. Thank you all so much I really appreciate the information! | Jovo-55 | 2020-02-24 18:46:17 | 33 | finummy | There s only a $3K provincial + $5K federal rebate on the SR+. If you get a AWD LR model you no longer qualify for the rebates. The RWD LR model is no longer manufactured sold new. If you are buying used you do not qualify for any of those rebates either. | Funkmobile | 2020-02-24 18:55:04 | 37 | EV Tax Credit Impact |
eeq1ub | Buying a new Model S X... Want an Extended Warranty | Hello everyone. Just a quick question. Is it possible to buy an extended warranty on a used Tesla Model X S. I m looking at several cars that have powertrain warranties till 2024 but I d like to extend the warranty by a few years. I d like to buy an extended warranty if possible. I recently fell in love with the Teslas and can t wait to get one for my own. I actually live 5 minutes from a production facility | ogvoidwalker2014 | 2019-12-23 20:28:15 | 25 | fbvrmnr | Buy Geico mechanical protection Around $10 a month Covers almost everything for 7 years in any shop you want incl. Tesla with $250 deductible | Gzrht | 2019-12-23 21:04:28 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
cxne6r | Buying a second hand Tesla (what to look out for) | Hey all I m considering buying a second hand Tesla (most likely a Model 3) and my biggest concern in how well the battery 🔋 has been looked after. If a previous owner has used super chargers too often has over charged the batter packs consistently or allowed the battery packs to fully discharge it would have degraded the capacity and the life of the battery packs especially if done a lot (along with other poor battery hygiene). My question is how can I determine if the batter packs of a second hand Tesla (in particular the Model 3) are in good condition and have been looked after well? Also what other things should I be mindful of when buying a second hand Tesla Mode 3? | jazinaz | 2019-08-30 21:44:18 | 18 | eym9dd4 | The supercharger concern is overblown (I think). There was problem with certain S or X batteries but nothing definitive about the 3. I believe that specter got carried over to the three. I tried to find some official info on it earlier today and didn t come up with anything. The only thing you can do is check the charge. Have them charge it up to 90 and then let it sit for a few hours. Then use figure out what 100% miles would be. (A Tesla Service guy told me this.) How much less is that total from 325? How many miles does it have? Is that reasonable amount of degradation? | MartyBecker | 2019-08-30 22:07:20 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2vx29g | Buying a used 2012 P85 Signature Series | I m considering buying a used 2012 P85 Signature Series but have a few questions. By buying one of the first cars produced how many fixes that were since made to the production line am I now missing other than those covered under warranty? What should I check for in terms of a warranty repair log? And how many future upgrades will I be missing (eg. no parking assist others?) What other considerations (other than the battery) should I look for when considering buying a used 2012 Model S or a brand new D? Grateful for any insight. | pinfish | 2015-02-14 23:02:24 | 34 | coln5rh | Many Tesla is constantly updating the vehicle. The batteries in the initial vehicles can only supercharge at a max rate of 90kW while current superchargers can provide 120-135kW so it will take a little longer to supercharge. Other features that have been introduced: * Autopilot * Parking sensors * Folding mirrors * Heated steering wheel(perhaps heated seats also?) * Lane keeping I am sure there are a hundred other smaller things I am forgetting. | paulwesterberg | 2015-02-14 23:28:00 | 20 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4e6p0y | Buying a used 2012 Tesla Model S 40kwh for 15 000? | Hello everyone a private seller have just offered me a used 2012 model S tesla with signature red and 55k miles for 15 000. Should I buy it? Also I plan to take to to Tesla to do an inspection before I buy it. Looking for advice thank you! Edit #1: A little bit of update on the car. The Model S is still under the 8 year battery warranty and the title is clean. The seller is a local business owner who is indeed of cash and therefore is selling his own tesla for it. I will ask for the VIN and hopefully update again soon! Thank you. :) | Shiny-Lights | 2016-04-10 17:35:11 | 46 | d1xgx1r | Always do an independent inspection. *Only $15 000?? Yeah see above.* | Dallasmaids | 2016-04-10 17:45:20 | 57 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6dv79e | Buying a used 2013 S Performance? | What s up everybody I m beseeching your expertise here. My (rather well off) friend is offering to sell me his 2013 Model S Performance for ~$32k. It does have over 50k miles (so warranty is a no-go) but as far as I m aware hasn t had any issues. Should I go for it haggle with him on price is this a good price? Anything in particular I should look out for that even he might not be aware of? | hammy3000 | 2017-05-28 18:06:46 | 18 | di5lzya | This is a good price. I have this car. It is supercar-fast and is reliable and (truth be told) not that different from the newest model. There are a few small features you don t get and one large feature (autopilot) but it still arguably one of the best cars you can buy at any price. If you can still add the Extended Warranty before he sells it to you I think it is worth the $2k (2 year) or $4k (4 year). This car DOES carry the 8 year drivetrain warranty no matter what so it s not like you have no warranty at all. The expensive parts are covered. A 2013 P85 typically goes for $50-$60k right now so he is gifting you this one. | lmaccaro | 2017-05-28 18:15:31 | 25 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
kltas9 | Buying a used Model 3 on Carvana. 5 days until delivery: Questions and possible regret? | Hello! I paid $37k on Carvana for a 2019 Model 3 with 22k miles and some imperfections. Its coming Saturday. It s Standard Range Plus Sed but I am unclear about how to tell if it includes FSD and other software upgrades? It just says “autopilot” on the site and the picture shows “Autosteer (Beta) option.” I am not sure exactly what I m looking for or what to ask to find out exactly what I m getting. A (what I m assuming is) 2021 Standard Range Plus Model 3 without FSD on Tesla website s right now is $38k. What is the difference between this and what and I bought as far as features? Do I need to cancel this and order new? | WhiteM3 | 2020-12-28 16:13:30 | 11 | ghbbrql | Cancel and order new. Autopilot with auto steer is standard it s not the FSD option | yugi_motou | 2020-12-28 19:11:20 | 24 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
ih3fv5 | Buying a used Model S from Tesla. They do not make it easy. | I found a 2018 Model S I like on Tesla.com. It s local so I inquired about purchasing it. That s when I was told I can t inspect the car before committing to buy. No test drive. I have to get everything in order (trade in financing) before I can actually see the car in person. I can refuse delivery at hat time but I would lose the $100 order fee. Has anyone else here gone through with buying a car that way? Putting out 60k for a car I can t inspect or drive is a big risk I m not entirely comfortable taking. Any car dealer will at least allow you to do that. | BlingBlingBlingo | 2020-08-26 17:40:08 | 12 | g2xn7hm | Bought my S this way. Just refuse delivery if it s not what you expect. Sure you re out $100 if you walk in but you can also have certain things fixed by the advisor and have them bring it back to you. | nephronpower | 2020-08-26 18:06:49 | 15 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
bomntq | Buying a used Model S from a dealer and I have questions! | There is a nice 2013 Model S on a lot near me that I am so excited to buy! I have already test driven it and the feeling is amazing and the condition is pretty good. I have a whole bunch of questions though and I hope that you all can answer them or point me in the right direction: 1. The screen has the yellow bars around the edges which I have heard is common. The new screens are estimated to release in October 2019. Any idea how much it will cost to repair (using their new tools) replace now or replace later the screen? It s not unusable but it is unsightly. 2. The battery and motors (collectively the power train) I believe are covered under an 8 year unlimited mile warranty right? Any guesses as to how expensive are these parts to replace out of warranty? Is there any possibility of buying an extended powertrain warranty? 3. Do you use autopilot and is it worth waiting for or paying for? This car would not have any AP functionality. 4. How does RWD with winter tires do in snow? We get a few 5 storms per year here. 5. Is my plan to exclusively supercharge a sound one in terms of battery health? I would supercharge at a place right next to my workplace and limit the capacity to 85% ish. This would not kill the battery and would be totally free correct? I am not in a position to install a charger at my home. Any other considerations? | ColorfulLanguage | 2019-05-14 18:32:07 | 17 | enib6n0 | 2013 cars DO NOT have autopilot hardware. Idk why other comments are acting like it has AP1 | BlargyMcBlargFace | 2019-05-14 19:53:13 | 23 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5fg2c5 | Buying a used S? | I m waiting on the 3 but the bug has bit hard. I m thinking about grabbing a used S in the meantime. Are there any things I should specifically ask about for a used Tesla? Any seen issues buying used? What would I be missing out on buying used as opposed to new? I guess the wireless 3G connectivity won t transfer correct? | therealsix | 2016-11-29 02:31:19 | 11 | dak0zzo | https: sites.google.com site teslamotorsclubwiki home model-s options-by-year for the upgrades etc in the various years. Note that AP 1 starts late 2014 if you are looking for an AP car. -Wireless 3G service does transfer to the new owner. Newer cars have LTE and it can be retrofitted on the older cars. -If you stick with a Tesla CPO (vs private party) you do get a 4-year 50K mile warranty that starts at whatever the miles on the car when you buy it. That can be a great deal for a higher mileage car. EV-CPO is your friend for keeping track of Tesla s CPO inventory. There are other sites as well but I had good luck with their service. -Private party from an owner you can buy an extended warranty but buying from a dealer you won t be able to. Many dealers don t know what they have (they will list a 2014 as a signature or a non-performance car as performance etc) so buying that way isn t for the faint of heart. *Source: Model 3 reservation holder currently awaiting my classic 2013 P85 CPO delivery from Tesla now.* Be aware that if you decide to go the CPO route it is NOT like buying a used car from anyone else. Tesla s CPOs are usually out in the loaner fleet and have to be retrieved prior to refurbishment so turn around times are normally 4-6 weeks despite what the website says. Oh - and you gotta reserve the car sight unseen. I haven t actually seen my CPO in person yet and won t until delivery day. | Az_Rael77 | 2016-11-29 03:32:55 | 7 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
gr5s19 | Buying a used Tesla? Which model and year is best to get? | Hey Tesla community! Doing some research into buying a used Tesla. I lean towards a newer but used Model X (or S). Or the new model Y (as I don t think used ones will hit the market anytime soon?). I m curious which models do you think is best when buying used? I d like a used tesla that will have minimal issues Netflix and Youtube stream and full-self driving capabilities. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks! | arod_ceo | 2020-05-26 21:12:27 | 14 | frwu6ce | Newer than 2018 model s x unless you wanna buy a new mcu1 every 5 years | concerned_thirdparty | 2020-05-26 21:14:02 | 12 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
6ovev5 | Buying advice: Model S (questions: new vs. used and new incentives?) | Hi All! I am considering buying a Model S and could use some advice. In terms of what specs I m considering: midnight silver tan 75 Premium interior Premium package (which now includes heated steering wheel) pano roof (not sunroof) and full autopilot package. Pricing ~ $86k from the website before incentives. I found a private sale 2016 (new facia) midnight sivler tan 70kw with 21 s premium interior (no heated steering wheel) matte woot interior autopilot 1 pano and only 7800 miles - for under $70. Owner says i can update to 75kw for $500. What are your thoughts on this - good deal? I ve heard there are some really good incentives active now toward buying an S. Going to the dealership tomorrow - but would love some advice. Used model sheet: https: imgur.com gallery cssek Thanks! | tmonax | 2017-07-22 15:01:20 | 18 | dkkhvp0 | 1. You won t get a tax credit on a used car 2. AP1 vs AP2 if that s important to you | BlargyMcBlargFace | 2017-07-22 15:17:36 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
4k4ea2 | Buying an inventory car. | A friend of mine would like to purchase an inventory car. The car is listed on the Tesla website as being in another state. My friend called Tesla because he would like to fly to the location and test drive the car before committing to the purchase. Tesla will only tell him that the car is available but not where it is located. The indicated that if he commits to purchase they will tell him where it is and if he is unhappy after the purchase he has a week to return it. Can anyone offer an explanation for this? It seems like they would freely offer that information to a potential customer who s willing to hop on a plane for a test drive. | Txseaaggie | 2016-05-19 20:03:26 | 15 | d3c2m6a | This makes absolutely no sense. I don t think it makes sense for your friend to fly to another state. What you want to do is ask the Owner Adviser for pictures of the vehicle. It sounds like a crap Owner Adviser helping him out. EDIT: With inventory cars if your friend knows he wants it he should put the deposit in so nobody else buys it. | Iwantatesla | 2016-05-19 20:32:07 | 15 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9hv8uq | Buying help | My SO s father is trying to buy a Tesla. Currently he is caught between getting a brand new Model 3 or a used 2016+ Model S. We are driving a Model 3 next weekend to see how he feels about the 3. I know a lot of people will say go with the Model 3 since it has newer tech however there are some questions about looking for a used Model S that I think people here can help answer. & #x200B To start he wants a 2016 2017 White Model S. Motor of 75D or better. Autopilot. Some optional requirements would be the subzero package and HEPA air filtration system. We were wondering if you could buy a Model S that doesn t have autopilot and then call and get it added on? Also is it best that we stick with looking at Tesla s used inventory? I heard that can sometimes be troublesome when it comes to quality but great for warranty. That raises the question of if it s worth looking at a private party or dealer which I understand can get tricky when it comes to the warranty. & #x200B What are your thoughts? & #x200B Edit: Is the federal tax incentive still available? | crdavis | 2018-09-21 23:46:25 | 22 | e6esr0w | If you buy a used 2016 make absolute sure it was manufactured after October 2016. That is when AP2.0 FSD hardware was introduced. | ShinjukuWard | 2018-09-22 00:09:12 | 16 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
czg3od | Buying just for the autopilot. | Would a used model 3 fit my needs more. I drive about an hour a day to work. 95% of it is on a highway. I am putting a crap ton mileage on my forester. Would it make more sense to buy this aswell. Should I buy a used model S or a used model 3. For the used model s I would never have to pay for power. For the used model 3 i would have to pay. Thoughts? Also If I sell my car I will lose 5k on average due to the value and loan. Should I not sell? Note rock chips are super common. I got one on my second day with forester. | [deleted] | 2019-09-04 04:35:03 | 54 | eyy5hxb | 3 is a better value even when paying to charge. | keepitcleanforwork | 2019-09-04 04:41:32 | 56 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
5kn8lo | Buying leasing my first Tesla in a few months need advice | My current s car s lease is up in April. I travel a lot for work and live in a major city so driving opportunities have been sparse (6k miles since April 2014 on the Audi). Should mention my travel picked up drastically right after I got the car otherwise I would ve stuck with something more modest. Within a year I will be promoted to a position that requires little to no travel. So I figure I should go with the real dream car but I have some apprehension. 1- I love driving but I also have narcolepsy so the self-driving is really interesting to me. I don t have the fainting type of narcolepsy but it sometimes causes me to have to pull over. Is this something I MUST have or would it make more sense to lease and then get whatever the next version is in ~2020? 2- My current salary is $120K plus some other income from dividends and other investments. I also outright own my house and I have a tax abatement. Really no loans or debt to speak of no mortgage rent per month. No wife or kids yet. But I grew up kind of poor-ish and never got out of that mindset. What would be a reasonable monthly payment? Irrespective of model. Obviously I d love a P100D but I think a CPO P90D would be more realistic - wouldn t have the self-driving of course. And no lease. Thanks in advance. | hkpp | 2016-12-28 00:43:29 | 11 | dbp6ltz | I always recommend AP even if its just AP 1.0 it is the best I use it 90% of the time im driving a tesla. It just takes the hassle out of any type of traffic or highway driving. (I use it on almost all roads you get good at using it if u get what i mean.) Unless you really really want a P car I dont always recommend it you just dont get a chance to use the power. I am the same as you grew up poorish so always look at bang for the buck etc. You can save sooooooooooooo much getting a 90D and they are still really fast with grate range and if you get a new one it will come with AP2 hardware that you will be able to use as early as next week just no full autonomous yet. if you really want a P car go for an inventory P90D AP1 is still amazing or I would say 90D my fav | willmck91 | 2016-12-28 01:11:57 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
fq1bmf | Buying my first Tesla! I m somewhat torn on a small detail. | Hello everyone! When I first started looking at Teslas I was dead set on the Model 3 performance with the add on package. As I get closer to pulling the trigger I have been researching tire cost and benefit. I plan on using the Tesla for daily driving (I drive about 100 miles a day) and having the low profile tires doesn t seem like a good idea. I ve landed on the Model 3 long range and upgrading the wheels to the 19” instead of the 18”. The reason is purely aesthetic. The black Aero wheels are not my cup of tea at all. I would get 18” wheels and take off the hubcap but I also don t like the looks of that even with the caps you can get that make the wheel look better. My question is will the 19” tires hold up as well long as the 18” and how much more can you feel the road with the 19”? Thanks everyone! Stay safe. | bluesfu | 2020-03-27 17:30:27 | 35 | flo3cbv | From someone who has had both18 and 19 inch trims you re over thinking it. Just rotate tires every 6000 miles. For reference I never rotated my 18s and at 17 000 miles needed 2 new tires. Put 19 inch sport wheels on it and have racked up 40 000+ miles rotating every 6000 miles and I m down to about 6 or 7 32ths | ss68and66 | 2020-03-27 17:40:53 | 28 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
81mned | Buying second model 3 after receiving first one | Right now I am scheduled for delivery between May and July. Once I am an owner and place an order for a second model 3 where will I be put in the line for delivery? | 61corvetteguy | 2018-03-03 04:24:38 | 16 | dv3wbgu | Evidently they come quicker and quicker. By the third or fourth one you actually start going back in time. | jpbeans | 2018-03-03 04:33:47 | 75 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
el189z | Buying used Buyback Lemon Model 3 | Hey guys! So I think I m gonna pull the trigger on a Model 3 soon! I ve got two local they are buybacks from Tesla. They are LR RWD with AP base trim for $40k. One has 4K miles the other is 20k. Both have warranty still. The 4 000 mile one had an AC line replaced (shown in a Tesla document) The 20k I m not sure about. So with these is this like a “avoid like the plague” or if they have been repaired by Tesla they should be good to go? | CrossAerial | 2020-01-06 22:08:34 | 14 | fdexpya | If they have the remaining vehicle warranty and haven t been in an accident then you might investigate what the lemon complaint was and assess whether you re confident it s truly resolved. Could be a good deal - but you want to make sure you don t end up stuck with a true basket case situation. | ekobres | 2020-01-06 22:13:38 | 16 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
cuszsm | Buying used Tesla with recently replaced motor battery mcu... | I m looking for a used Model S and I stumbled on one with about 100k miles with recently replaced battery motor and MCU. It s a 2014 with AP for about $32k original owner. The big concern I would have is that there s some phantom issue that replacing everything is supposed to address but hasn t. I m not an engineer so I don t know what that would be. What things would you ask of the seller of this car? | skatastic57 | 2019-08-24 12:49:36 | 37 | exygnoy | All those things typically fail on a 2014 from what I ve seen. I think it is a better bet to get that one vs. one that hasn t had those replaced. I also think the replacements should last longer than the originals since they ve been able to fix the problems. | uselesslogin | 2019-08-24 13:05:30 | 41 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
dx1mox | Buying used Tesla: Help Please | I m looking at buying a used Tesla (S or X 2017 or newer). I m looking at used inventory and I need help interpreting what is meant by a few things. Full Self-Driving I understand this is the *potential* once the updates roll out and that right now it has some specific things it can do. Question: If the used vehicle is listed with Autopilot but does not say Full Self-Driving Capability does this indicate it is incapable and thus cannot be upgraded? By the same token if another car is described as Full Self-Driving Capability does it mean that everything is ready to go and I won t need to pay the $7000 fee? Thanks in advance! | a789877 | 2019-11-16 03:34:03 | 23 | f7mwrq1 | If they bought FSD (full self driving) they should be able to show evidence that is the case. Autopilot is not FSD. HW version determines if it can be upgraded at a cost if FSD is not already purchased. I believe HW 2.5 or above can be upgraded not sure about 2.0. | jjwardSD | 2019-11-16 03:49:04 | 11 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
l7vz4b | Buying used...year or mileage more important? | I m looking at buying a used MX 100D. I was wondering whether I should prioritize year or mileage especially in the context of battery degradation. For example would I be better off buying a 2018 with lower miles or a 2019 with 5-10k more miles than the 2018? | greencucumbr | 2021-01-29 15:54:10 | 15 | gl90xhs | Year (and month) is more important because the build date determines which generation of various pieces of hardware you get. There are significant changes between early 2016 and late 2016 (autopilot hardware) between early 2018 and mid late 2018 (second generation infotainment computer MCU2) between early 2019 and late 2019 (Raven power train - substantial changes to motors efficiency suspension) and even running changes in battery pack design between those major milestones. There are also changes in option availability (e.g. ventilated seats were available occasionally). & #x200B In short a 2019 with more miles is \_probably\_ a SIGNIFICANTLY better vehicle than a 2018 (if it s early 2018 with MCU1 vs mid 2019 Raven. Or they re identical. Could go eithey way. Both have an unlimited mileage warranty on the battery and drive units so that should tell you that mileage doesn t really matter like it might on an ICE car - there are very few moving parts. | serendipity81 | 2021-01-29 15:59:57 | 35 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
45lhfc | By The time we get our Model 3s do you want Tesla to include the option to include CHADEMO and J1777 in the trip planner instead of only super chargers and destination chargers? | I m only a fan. | rreighe2 | 2016-02-13 17:10:57 | 22 | czymp6i | Some kind of plug share integration would be nice but for most of us hopefully the super charger network will be so built out it won t be necessary | biosehnsucht | 2016-02-13 17:44:27 | 10 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7pfynd | By far my favorite thing about the Model X is that the doors can be opened from a touchscreen | I was at the Summer Set collection in Michigan browsing around and then I noticed there was a Tesla store right next to the Apple store. I had no idea that this store existed but it looked neat and they had a crowd of people looking at the cars in display. Naturally everyone gravitated towards the Model X and that s where I went too. Eventually I got my turn to sit in the front seat and I looked over to my right to the touch screen and I noticed you could open the doors from the touch screen! I have never been so amused by something so trivial as opening doors from a touchscreen! I spent the next 10 seconds opening and closing the doors until an employee glared at me and I stoped. The overall feel of the car was awesome and it instantly became my dream car! | FutureKarma9045 | 2018-01-10 14:39:07 | 44 | dsgw2xz | The front door also shuts automatically when you put your foot on the brake | navinsiri | 2018-01-10 14:41:30 | 35 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
mm4dy1 | By popular demand Bestla now has full Siri and Google Assistant support and is now out of Beta and fully launched | I just want to say thank you all that have downloaded and supported the app while it was in Beta. One of the main pieces of feedback I received was the request to add voice assistant support as an additional way to do Tesla actions without opening any apps. With the new update today this is now included for all Tesla actions (with only a couple exceptions - in the works) and Bestla is now fully launched. If you didn t come across the initial post here s the app if you d like to check it out: [iOS App Store](https: apps.apple.com us app bestla-tesla-companion id1551088174) [Google Play Store](https: play.google.com store apps details?id=com.appuccino.bestla) The app is a companion to the main Tesla app so its focus is on features the main app doesn t already provide such as * Data logging onto graphs (battery degradation odometer etc) w import and export * Multiple ways to access actions outside of the app * **iOS -** Siri voice commands * **iOS -** Shortcuts automation (take action when arriving at home) * **iOS -** Shortcuts Watch support * **iOS -** Shortcuts home screen widgets * **iOS and Android -** Customizable Quick Actions by holding on the icon on the home screen * **Android -** Long press the Quick Actions to move them to icons on the home screen * **Android -** Quick Settings tiles (next to WiFi Bluetooth etc) * **Android -** Persistent notification with custom actions * Scheduled actions (warm my car MWF at 8am when I arrive at X lock the doors \[location-based is iOS only at the moment\]) * Show nearby chargers on a map and send to your vehicle and I ll be continuing to add new features. Based on feedback folks seem pretty positive with the price point I had mind of $0.99 mon or $9.99 one-time at full launch (so no this won t be another $45 Tesla app). This helps support the app since I m going to continuously working on the app adding new features and fixing any issues and if there s enough support move to part-time at my current job (software engineer at a search engine company you may have heard of) to put some more focus on this. Please let me know what you think - since I m going to keep working on this feedback is incredibly useful. And if you want to follow any future updates or give more in-depth feedback you can find me at r Bestla! | AggieDev | 2021-04-07 15:17:00 | 53 | gtpj1vr | What kind of security is used to protect our passwords? Kinda scared to put in my info into a 3rd party app. Thanks. | another813 | 2021-04-07 17:11:00 | 21 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
40sitz | By the time Model III arrives what is the likelihood it will ship with the necessary Tesla Mobileye hardware for fully autonomous driving in the future? | There is little doubt Autopilot will be an option on the Model III but will the next generation and combination of Tesla Mobileye hardware be in place during the vehicle s development so that it can be launched with the required sensors for full autonomy down the road (eventually just an over the air update). I am ready to put my deposit down in March but the possibility of having to buy a Model III with the current Autopilot system (not that it isn t incredible already) but then again down the road for a fully autonomous car would likely be a deal breaker - at least temporarily. Am I being overly optimistic? http: fortune.com 2015 12 21 elon-musk-interview https: www.reddit.com r SelfDrivingCars comments 3riro1 mobileye_on_track_for_highly_and_fully_autonomous | jam2therock | 2016-01-13 15:38:29 | 65 | cywr0km | Elon mentioned that hardware for full autonomous hardware are ready but is waiting to be mass produce and eventually put them into Model S. I am quite certain Model 3 will have full autonomous hardware. Plus just think like Elon for a sec In 24-36 full autonomous will be ready In 2 years tesla release Model 3 Can you believe that Elon will release a car with obsolete hardwares? Even though full autonomous hardware is there he just won t put it into the model 3? Also knowing that he said in not far future non autonomous cars will just not be desired by anyone? I am 90% sure that Model 3 will have full autonomous hardware. | wsxedcrf | 2016-01-13 16:34:53 | 32 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8wg780 | Bypassing the front trunk lock of the Model 3 | On page 15 of the Model 3 [owner s manual](https: www.tesla.com content dam tesla Ownership Own Model%203%20Owners%20Manual.pdf) the section Opening with No Power describes a procedure which will open the front trunk without a key. Does this procedure open the front trunk when the Model 3 has power? | drfrank | 2018-07-06 01:56:36 | 23 | e1v9ysb | Yes and a 9V alkaline battery will work. https: youtu.be Y1WRR1Cl78A | gchil0 | 2018-07-06 02:11:21 | 26 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8skzym | C& D I-Pace First Drive | https: www.caranddriver.com reviews 2019-jaguar-i-pace-the-electric-cat-leaps-first-drive-review?src=nl& mag=cdb& list=nl_dvr_news& date=062018 > That s true even as the 2019 Jaguar I-Pace—a $70 495 five-seat crossover with an estimated 240 miles of range—establishes itself as the most complete electric vehicle yet. A Tesla competitor? Absolutely. Will it suck the life out of Tesla sales? Not a chance. Do you agree? We re finally seeing a credible Model X competitor and Tesla is mentioned several times in the article. | majesticjg | 2018-06-20 19:03:43 | 27 | e108hyz | 1& #37 of vehicle sales in the US are electric vehicles. 99& #37 of Tesla s competition is an ICE vehicle not an electric one. | mrmpls | 2018-06-20 19:16:03 | 41 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6adcj7 | C& D Review Format Changes as they relate to Tesla | I noticed that C& D has changed their online in depth review format in a way that both helps and hurts Tesla. They do an overview of what safety and infotainment features come standard or are available as options. This is both good and bad for Tesla. Since Tesla doesn t advertise consumers depend on sites like C& D for information that s less biased (you d hope) than the manufacturer s website. The other thing I noticed is that a modern Model S X doesn t fare as well in this grid of checkboxes as you d hope. Rear AEB cross-traffic detection wifi hotspot android auto carplay real-time weather... these are all things Tesla doesn t have and doesn t appear to be adding. Anyway I thought it was worth the post to show how C& D is putting out the information since it s changed. I m hoping the easy-to-read format also spurs Tesla into even more innovation. Here s the relevant images from the C& D 2017 Volvo XC90 In-Depth Review. http: imgur.com a 0AghT | majesticjg | 2017-05-10 15:08:47 | 11 | dhdloyy | That s because as good as Tesla s cars are they re shitty at providing amenities and creature comforts found in cars in the same class and in many cases substantially lower classes. It s one of their biggest areas ripe for improvement. | freefallgrue | 2017-05-10 15:22:17 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
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