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Dismissing and marginalising points of view as irrational doesnt solve the issue. You cannot, as you have argued, dismiss these opinions as sexism and prejudice when the issue itself was brought up through macrons actions. There needs to be absolute explanations, and reasoning, for their appointment. It could very well be that exactly 50% of the people considered the best for their job were women, but mentioning gender parity only muddies the water with regards to this. People are demanding transparency, not men in these positions. Again, its not sexism, or irrational.
worldnews
French politics
annotator04
Proportionality,Loyalty,Equality
Confident
Dismissing and marginalising points of view as irrational doesnt solve the issue. You cannot, as you have argued, dismiss these opinions as sexism and prejudice when the issue itself was brought up through macrons actions. There needs to be absolute explanations, and reasoning, for their appointment. It could very well be that exactly 50% of the people considered the best for their job were women, but mentioning gender parity only muddies the water with regards to this. People are demanding transparency, not men in these positions. Again, its not sexism, or irrational.
worldnews
French politics
annotator00
Equality
Not Confident
>Pretty sure Obama just endorsed Macron. Is that not "influencing an election"? What kinda stupid question is that? Of course endorsing a candidate is not influencing an election. The Russian hacking and releasing of campaign emails to directly benefit a candidate actually is influencing an election though.
worldnews
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
>Pretty sure Obama just endorsed Macron. Is that not "influencing an election"? What kinda stupid question is that? Of course endorsing a candidate is not influencing an election. The Russian hacking and releasing of campaign emails to directly benefit a candidate actually is influencing an election though.
worldnews
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Confident
>Pretty sure Obama just endorsed Macron. Is that not "influencing an election"? What kinda stupid question is that? Of course endorsing a candidate is not influencing an election. The Russian hacking and releasing of campaign emails to directly benefit a candidate actually is influencing an election though.
worldnews
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Not Confident
> Did you just make your own laws? No. > The offence being considered is "publishing violent images", which under certain circumstances can carry a penalty of three years in prison and a fine of 75,000 euros ($78,930). She was inciting violence against Muslims. It's not her first offence. > Le Pen's immunity has been lifted before, in 2013, by the EU parliament. She was then prosecuted in 2015 with "incitement to discrimination over people's religious beliefs", for comparing Muslims praying in public to the Nazi occupation of France during World War Two. Prosecutors eventually recommended the charges be dropped.
worldnews
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
> Did you just make your own laws? No. > The offence being considered is "publishing violent images", which under certain circumstances can carry a penalty of three years in prison and a fine of 75,000 euros ($78,930). She was inciting violence against Muslims. It's not her first offence. > Le Pen's immunity has been lifted before, in 2013, by the EU parliament. She was then prosecuted in 2015 with "incitement to discrimination over people's religious beliefs", for comparing Muslims praying in public to the Nazi occupation of France during World War Two. Prosecutors eventually recommended the charges be dropped.
worldnews
French politics
annotator02
Care,Equality
Confident
Hollande actually tried that and it partially split the PS, the most popular member of the government ended up quitting after this. Basically the law could only apply to dual citizens as you aren't allowed to make people stateless. This was seen as discrimination to dual citizens in France. The law wasn't very popular with conservatives either as it didn't seem to change much.
europe
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Hollande actually tried that and it partially split the PS, the most popular member of the government ended up quitting after this. Basically the law could only apply to dual citizens as you aren't allowed to make people stateless. This was seen as discrimination to dual citizens in France. The law wasn't very popular with conservatives either as it didn't seem to change much.
europe
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Confident
Hollande actually tried that and it partially split the PS, the most popular member of the government ended up quitting after this. Basically the law could only apply to dual citizens as you aren't allowed to make people stateless. This was seen as discrimination to dual citizens in France. The law wasn't very popular with conservatives either as it didn't seem to change much.
europe
French politics
annotator00
Equality
Not Confident
Nick Clegg, Michael Bloomberg, and our boi Macron, in that order
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Nick Clegg, Michael Bloomberg, and our boi Macron, in that order
neoliberal
French politics
annotator04
Non-Moral
Somewhat Confident
Nick Clegg, Michael Bloomberg, and our boi Macron, in that order
neoliberal
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Confident
France should be more worried about the migrants causing havoc to their own citizens, but they don't. Go Le Pen!
worldnews
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
France should be more worried about the migrants causing havoc to their own citizens, but they don't. Go Le Pen!
worldnews
French politics
annotator04
Authority
Confident
France should be more worried about the migrants causing havoc to their own citizens, but they don't. Go Le Pen!
worldnews
French politics
annotator01
Non-Moral
Somewhat Confident
Macron follows a murderous profit and lobbies for child marriages?
worldnews
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Macron follows a murderous profit and lobbies for child marriages?
worldnews
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Confident
Macron follows a murderous profit and lobbies for child marriages?
worldnews
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Not Confident
Why wouldn't different ethnic people vote for Le Pen? People are tired of corporatism and the socialist system of control. Where has capitalism gone? People want a free market and the American dream. Liberty, not equality. Le Pen will win I hope.
europe
French politics
annotator03
Loyalty
Somewhat Confident
Why wouldn't different ethnic people vote for Le Pen? People are tired of corporatism and the socialist system of control. Where has capitalism gone? People want a free market and the American dream. Liberty, not equality. Le Pen will win I hope.
europe
French politics
annotator04
Care,Loyalty,Authority,Proportionality
Confident
Why wouldn't different ethnic people vote for Le Pen? People are tired of corporatism and the socialist system of control. Where has capitalism gone? People want a free market and the American dream. Liberty, not equality. Le Pen will win I hope.
europe
French politics
annotator02
Proportionality
Confident
That's another can of worms. Is it acceptable to expose criminal activities if doing so breaks the law ? Or does whistleblowing no longer apply if it can alter the course of politics? Not that it matters. Macron wins handily or polls have been fabricated. Neither of those would surprise me. And even if any of these allegations and documents were true, he would never face punishment for it regardless of if he wins or not, making the whole routine a farce. Iirc as president he would have total immunity for his term.
worldnews
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Not Confident
That's another can of worms. Is it acceptable to expose criminal activities if doing so breaks the law ? Or does whistleblowing no longer apply if it can alter the course of politics? Not that it matters. Macron wins handily or polls have been fabricated. Neither of those would surprise me. And even if any of these allegations and documents were true, he would never face punishment for it regardless of if he wins or not, making the whole routine a farce. Iirc as president he would have total immunity for his term.
worldnews
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Confident
That's another can of worms. Is it acceptable to expose criminal activities if doing so breaks the law ? Or does whistleblowing no longer apply if it can alter the course of politics? Not that it matters. Macron wins handily or polls have been fabricated. Neither of those would surprise me. And even if any of these allegations and documents were true, he would never face punishment for it regardless of if he wins or not, making the whole routine a farce. Iirc as president he would have total immunity for his term.
worldnews
French politics
annotator01
Authority,Equality
Confident
> So if I were to eat only the equivalent of 1000 calories of white bread per day for an entire year, you'd say that I will not only get scurvy, but also fat? Unless you’re leading an extremely sedentiary life you’ll probably starve to death at only 1000 kcal / d. But you’ll probably do so with slightly higher insuline resistance than if you ate a balanced diet including other macronutrients.
europe
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
> So if I were to eat only the equivalent of 1000 calories of white bread per day for an entire year, you'd say that I will not only get scurvy, but also fat? Unless you’re leading an extremely sedentiary life you’ll probably starve to death at only 1000 kcal / d. But you’ll probably do so with slightly higher insuline resistance than if you ate a balanced diet including other macronutrients.
europe
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Confident
> So if I were to eat only the equivalent of 1000 calories of white bread per day for an entire year, you'd say that I will not only get scurvy, but also fat? Unless you’re leading an extremely sedentiary life you’ll probably starve to death at only 1000 kcal / d. But you’ll probably do so with slightly higher insuline resistance than if you ate a balanced diet including other macronutrients.
europe
French politics
annotator02
Non-Moral
Confident
It's a bit late to have any influence on the vote since we are voting tomorrow, and i doubt there is anything very damaging to Macron.
geopolitics
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
It's a bit late to have any influence on the vote since we are voting tomorrow, and i doubt there is anything very damaging to Macron.
geopolitics
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Confident
It's a bit late to have any influence on the vote since we are voting tomorrow, and i doubt there is anything very damaging to Macron.
geopolitics
French politics
annotator02
Non-Moral
Confident
> Hollande party is close to the communist party. Not really.
worldnews
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
> Hollande party is close to the communist party. Not really.
worldnews
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Confident
> Hollande party is close to the communist party. Not really.
worldnews
French politics
annotator02
Non-Moral
Confident
Nah, man, the word on the street now is that Macron is Merkels bitch etc etc bla bla fucking bla
worldnews
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Nah, man, the word on the street now is that Macron is Merkels bitch etc etc bla bla fucking bla
worldnews
French politics
annotator01
Non-Moral
Confident
Nah, man, the word on the street now is that Macron is Merkels bitch etc etc bla bla fucking bla
worldnews
French politics
annotator02
Non-Moral
Confident
Boston seems like a great city to study in. You're right about Brexit making the UK such a big IF, it's a shame because the UK could've literally been the leader of the bloc, but apparenty having less immigrants was more important than their economy, geopolitical power and reputation — such patriots. I'm interested to see how France turns around with Macron in power, since he's the most liberal president they've ever had. I'm hoping that Macron and Merkel use the unpredictability of our idiotic president to their advantage and push for a federal Europe.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Boston seems like a great city to study in. You're right about Brexit making the UK such a big IF, it's a shame because the UK could've literally been the leader of the bloc, but apparenty having less immigrants was more important than their economy, geopolitical power and reputation — such patriots. I'm interested to see how France turns around with Macron in power, since he's the most liberal president they've ever had. I'm hoping that Macron and Merkel use the unpredictability of our idiotic president to their advantage and push for a federal Europe.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Confident
Boston seems like a great city to study in. You're right about Brexit making the UK such a big IF, it's a shame because the UK could've literally been the leader of the bloc, but apparenty having less immigrants was more important than their economy, geopolitical power and reputation — such patriots. I'm interested to see how France turns around with Macron in power, since he's the most liberal president they've ever had. I'm hoping that Macron and Merkel use the unpredictability of our idiotic president to their advantage and push for a federal Europe.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator00
Authority
Not Confident
Good on Macron for helping his constituents sleep by giving three hour speeches about trade policy.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Good on Macron for helping his constituents sleep by giving three hour speeches about trade policy.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator01
Thin Morality
Confident
Good on Macron for helping his constituents sleep by giving three hour speeches about trade policy.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator02
Non-Moral
Confident
> He's hated by the Socialist establishment esspically Hollande lol no, the PS "establishment" preferred him over their own candidate Hamon
worldnews
French politics
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Loyalty
Somewhat Confident
> He's hated by the Socialist establishment esspically Hollande lol no, the PS "establishment" preferred him over their own candidate Hamon
worldnews
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Confident
> He's hated by the Socialist establishment esspically Hollande lol no, the PS "establishment" preferred him over their own candidate Hamon
worldnews
French politics
annotator01
Loyalty
Not Confident
Hamon was betrayed by the PS in a way (who are basically pro-Macron, now). He also was promoting Universal Basic Income, a pretty radical and criticised measure. The Left united behind Mélenchon's mouvement who "took" some PS voters presumably.
europe
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Hamon was betrayed by the PS in a way (who are basically pro-Macron, now). He also was promoting Universal Basic Income, a pretty radical and criticised measure. The Left united behind Mélenchon's mouvement who "took" some PS voters presumably.
europe
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Somewhat Confident
Hamon was betrayed by the PS in a way (who are basically pro-Macron, now). He also was promoting Universal Basic Income, a pretty radical and criticised measure. The Left united behind Mélenchon's mouvement who "took" some PS voters presumably.
europe
French politics
annotator02
Loyalty,Authority
Confident
Holy Shit Le Penn is being a tankie right now. What. The. Actual. Fuck.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Holy Shit Le Penn is being a tankie right now. What. The. Actual. Fuck.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator01
Non-Moral
Confident
Holy Shit Le Penn is being a tankie right now. What. The. Actual. Fuck.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Somewhat Confident
> And they told me that if Macron wins, then that means that France voted for the very candidate who represents ***the system that everybody's revolting against*** TIL everybody = [34.2%](http://i.imgur.com/wMdHtD3.jpg)
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
> And they told me that if Macron wins, then that means that France voted for the very candidate who represents ***the system that everybody's revolting against*** TIL everybody = [34.2%](http://i.imgur.com/wMdHtD3.jpg)
neoliberal
French politics
annotator00
Authority
Not Confident
> And they told me that if Macron wins, then that means that France voted for the very candidate who represents ***the system that everybody's revolting against*** TIL everybody = [34.2%](http://i.imgur.com/wMdHtD3.jpg)
neoliberal
French politics
annotator02
Non-Moral
Confident
I know Macron is our savior, but some of us still have long way to understanding French...
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Authority
Confident
I know Macron is our savior, but some of us still have long way to understanding French...
neoliberal
French politics
annotator01
Authority
Confident
I know Macron is our savior, but some of us still have long way to understanding French...
neoliberal
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Not Confident
Macron is not a socialist. He is a fake left winger like Crooked Hillary. This could be Trump 2: Electric Boogaloo.
worldnews
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Macron is not a socialist. He is a fake left winger like Crooked Hillary. This could be Trump 2: Electric Boogaloo.
worldnews
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Confident
Macron is not a socialist. He is a fake left winger like Crooked Hillary. This could be Trump 2: Electric Boogaloo.
worldnews
French politics
annotator02
Non-Moral
Confident
> the French don't trust anything to the right of Stalin right now. Weird because they seem to trust Macron
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
> the French don't trust anything to the right of Stalin right now. Weird because they seem to trust Macron
neoliberal
French politics
annotator04
Proportionality
Confident
> the French don't trust anything to the right of Stalin right now. Weird because they seem to trust Macron
neoliberal
French politics
annotator02
Non-Moral
Confident
Le Pen represents the right wing in France. Which means lefties will innately label her "fascist"
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Le Pen represents the right wing in France. Which means lefties will innately label her "fascist"
neoliberal
French politics
annotator01
Non-Moral
Confident
Le Pen represents the right wing in France. Which means lefties will innately label her "fascist"
neoliberal
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Somewhat Confident
Please remember, not all of us here hate Greece and not all of us here want to say horrible things to you like that. It hurts every time I see these callous comments toward Greece. There are plenty of people who share Macron's position, too. Conflict just generates more comment traffic.
europe
French politics
annotator03
Care
Not Confident
Please remember, not all of us here hate Greece and not all of us here want to say horrible things to you like that. It hurts every time I see these callous comments toward Greece. There are plenty of people who share Macron's position, too. Conflict just generates more comment traffic.
europe
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Somewhat Confident
Please remember, not all of us here hate Greece and not all of us here want to say horrible things to you like that. It hurts every time I see these callous comments toward Greece. There are plenty of people who share Macron's position, too. Conflict just generates more comment traffic.
europe
French politics
annotator02
Non-Moral
Confident
This is the same over Lord, who said Le Pen wouldn't get close to being elected, that she's a wash out, from an interview on France 24 news.
worldnews
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
This is the same over Lord, who said Le Pen wouldn't get close to being elected, that she's a wash out, from an interview on France 24 news.
worldnews
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Confident
This is the same over Lord, who said Le Pen wouldn't get close to being elected, that she's a wash out, from an interview on France 24 news.
worldnews
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Confident
This is very different from the US election, however. It's impossible for Le Pen's party to win the second round as no other party has formed an alliance with her or endorsed her.
Conservative
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
This is very different from the US election, however. It's impossible for Le Pen's party to win the second round as no other party has formed an alliance with her or endorsed her.
Conservative
French politics
annotator01
Non-Moral
Confident
This is very different from the US election, however. It's impossible for Le Pen's party to win the second round as no other party has formed an alliance with her or endorsed her.
Conservative
French politics
annotator02
Non-Moral
Confident
Most critics watching the debate are saying Macron is hitting it out of the park at the moment.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Most critics watching the debate are saying Macron is hitting it out of the park at the moment.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Confident
Most critics watching the debate are saying Macron is hitting it out of the park at the moment.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator02
Non-Moral
Confident
Same reason Trump won, Brexit happened, Marie Le Pen is popular, and Geert Wilders actually stood a chance - there's an increasing tendency for populism, nationalism and isolationism in the world, and it has becoming far more evident in recent years. While all these events aren't, at the surface and for the most part, connected, the ideology that fuels them is shared and, unlike countries, ideologies have no borders.
europe
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Same reason Trump won, Brexit happened, Marie Le Pen is popular, and Geert Wilders actually stood a chance - there's an increasing tendency for populism, nationalism and isolationism in the world, and it has becoming far more evident in recent years. While all these events aren't, at the surface and for the most part, connected, the ideology that fuels them is shared and, unlike countries, ideologies have no borders.
europe
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Not Confident
Same reason Trump won, Brexit happened, Marie Le Pen is popular, and Geert Wilders actually stood a chance - there's an increasing tendency for populism, nationalism and isolationism in the world, and it has becoming far more evident in recent years. While all these events aren't, at the surface and for the most part, connected, the ideology that fuels them is shared and, unlike countries, ideologies have no borders.
europe
French politics
annotator02
Equality
Confident
We're a (((globalist))) cabal, dammit. Once we rig Macron into the office of Dictator of the World, political expedience will be secondary.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Loyalty,Authority
Confident
We're a (((globalist))) cabal, dammit. Once we rig Macron into the office of Dictator of the World, political expedience will be secondary.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Confident
We're a (((globalist))) cabal, dammit. Once we rig Macron into the office of Dictator of the World, political expedience will be secondary.
neoliberal
French politics
annotator02
Loyalty,Authority
Somewhat Confident
Wow some of them really are salty af. "Macron voters deserve terrorism. I have no sympathy for these muslim sympathizers"
worldnews
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Not Confident
Wow some of them really are salty af. "Macron voters deserve terrorism. I have no sympathy for these muslim sympathizers"
worldnews
French politics
annotator04
Proportionality
Confident
Wow some of them really are salty af. "Macron voters deserve terrorism. I have no sympathy for these muslim sympathizers"
worldnews
French politics
annotator02
Care
Confident
Sure, I've made that argument too, but the "hard" part of the left doesn't want to hear it. Tho I expect that the part that does want to hear it is already voting Macron...
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Sure, I've made that argument too, but the "hard" part of the left doesn't want to hear it. Tho I expect that the part that does want to hear it is already voting Macron...
neoliberal
French politics
annotator01
Non-Moral
Confident
Sure, I've made that argument too, but the "hard" part of the left doesn't want to hear it. Tho I expect that the part that does want to hear it is already voting Macron...
neoliberal
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Confident
> France has suffered way too many terrorist attacks to label Le Pen supporters as "racist" or "extreme." Those two have nothing to do with each other. There could have been a million terrorist attacks in France, and saying racist stuff would still be racist. Voting for an authoritarian flirting with fascist, backed by Putin is not a reasonable reaction to being pissed off. It's like saying *Paris has way too much traffic to label car bombers "violent" or "extreme."*
worldnews
French politics
annotator03
Authority,Equality
Confident
> France has suffered way too many terrorist attacks to label Le Pen supporters as "racist" or "extreme." Those two have nothing to do with each other. There could have been a million terrorist attacks in France, and saying racist stuff would still be racist. Voting for an authoritarian flirting with fascist, backed by Putin is not a reasonable reaction to being pissed off. It's like saying *Paris has way too much traffic to label car bombers "violent" or "extreme."*
worldnews
French politics
annotator01
Care,Equality
Confident
> France has suffered way too many terrorist attacks to label Le Pen supporters as "racist" or "extreme." Those two have nothing to do with each other. There could have been a million terrorist attacks in France, and saying racist stuff would still be racist. Voting for an authoritarian flirting with fascist, backed by Putin is not a reasonable reaction to being pissed off. It's like saying *Paris has way too much traffic to label car bombers "violent" or "extreme."*
worldnews
French politics
annotator00
Authority,Equality
Not Confident
So if we get crazy leftists and right wing nutjobs, does that pave the way for the emergence of a Macron-style radical centrist, i.e. Based Bloomy?
neoliberal
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
So if we get crazy leftists and right wing nutjobs, does that pave the way for the emergence of a Macron-style radical centrist, i.e. Based Bloomy?
neoliberal
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Somewhat Confident
So if we get crazy leftists and right wing nutjobs, does that pave the way for the emergence of a Macron-style radical centrist, i.e. Based Bloomy?
neoliberal
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Somewhat Confident
Le Pen shows yet again that not unlike Trump, in reality she has no idea what she is doing.
europe
French politics
annotator03
Non-Moral
Confident
Le Pen shows yet again that not unlike Trump, in reality she has no idea what she is doing.
europe
French politics
annotator04
Thin Morality
Confident
Le Pen shows yet again that not unlike Trump, in reality she has no idea what she is doing.
europe
French politics
annotator00
Non-Moral
Confident