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And you honestly think companies won't strongarm employees into voting their way? Daily indoctrination sessions against unions as per macrons poster child economy the US, threats, selective disciplinary processes. I've worker for many employers, they are all driven by profit and could care less about you or even the law of they can get away with it.
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And you honestly think companies won't strongarm employees into voting their way? Daily indoctrination sessions against unions as per macrons poster child economy the US, threats, selective disciplinary processes. I've worker for many employers, they are all driven by profit and could care less about you or even the law of they can get away with it.
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And you honestly think companies won't strongarm employees into voting their way? Daily indoctrination sessions against unions as per macrons poster child economy the US, threats, selective disciplinary processes. I've worker for many employers, they are all driven by profit and could care less about you or even the law of they can get away with it.
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I vote Hamon, and I think i would drink myself to death.
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I vote Hamon, and I think i would drink myself to death.
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I vote Hamon, and I think i would drink myself to death.
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Congratulations to Marine Le Pen on managing to come in third in a race with two contestants.
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Congratulations to Marine Le Pen on managing to come in third in a race with two contestants.
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Congratulations to Marine Le Pen on managing to come in third in a race with two contestants.
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Two differences between Le Pen and Trump: 1. Le Pen actually believes in what she says whereas Trump basically just loves popularity and crowds. Le Pen is a committed ideological protectionist and nationalist 2. Le Pen is significantly more coherent and informed, and she can actually complete a sentence
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Two differences between Le Pen and Trump: 1. Le Pen actually believes in what she says whereas Trump basically just loves popularity and crowds. Le Pen is a committed ideological protectionist and nationalist 2. Le Pen is significantly more coherent and informed, and she can actually complete a sentence
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Two differences between Le Pen and Trump: 1. Le Pen actually believes in what she says whereas Trump basically just loves popularity and crowds. Le Pen is a committed ideological protectionist and nationalist 2. Le Pen is significantly more coherent and informed, and she can actually complete a sentence
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Yeah, Le Pen got crushed to a legendary degree by a liberal.
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Yeah, Le Pen got crushed to a legendary degree by a liberal.
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Yeah, Le Pen got crushed to a legendary degree by a liberal.
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>formerly of the Socialist Party This doesn't mean much. What people need to understand is how divided the Socialist party is. Within the party there are people who are ideologically close to communism, and others that are ideologically close to economic liberalism. And yes the voting blocs changed significantly. We now have : far right (nationalists), right (capitalists), center (liberalists), left (socialists). Before Macron, the liberalists were split between right and left and the center was too weak to even matter.
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>formerly of the Socialist Party This doesn't mean much. What people need to understand is how divided the Socialist party is. Within the party there are people who are ideologically close to communism, and others that are ideologically close to economic liberalism. And yes the voting blocs changed significantly. We now have : far right (nationalists), right (capitalists), center (liberalists), left (socialists). Before Macron, the liberalists were split between right and left and the center was too weak to even matter.
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>formerly of the Socialist Party This doesn't mean much. What people need to understand is how divided the Socialist party is. Within the party there are people who are ideologically close to communism, and others that are ideologically close to economic liberalism. And yes the voting blocs changed significantly. We now have : far right (nationalists), right (capitalists), center (liberalists), left (socialists). Before Macron, the liberalists were split between right and left and the center was too weak to even matter.
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Oh god please save us from this bleak future. I'm saying this as a leftist. Maybe Macron is not so bad but Schulz is recipe for disaster.
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Oh god please save us from this bleak future. I'm saying this as a leftist. Maybe Macron is not so bad but Schulz is recipe for disaster.
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Oh god please save us from this bleak future. I'm saying this as a leftist. Maybe Macron is not so bad but Schulz is recipe for disaster.
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Anti-EU nationalism, also Macron appears to be weak against Islamic terrror comparatively
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Anti-EU nationalism, also Macron appears to be weak against Islamic terrror comparatively
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Anti-EU nationalism, also Macron appears to be weak against Islamic terrror comparatively
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Well Macron seems to be charging forward with policy that will help lead to oil-independence from the Russian Kleptocracy. With the U.S. basically spiraling out of the picture, the EU better realize how important ripping away Russia's last bit of power is.
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Well Macron seems to be charging forward with policy that will help lead to oil-independence from the Russian Kleptocracy. With the U.S. basically spiraling out of the picture, the EU better realize how important ripping away Russia's last bit of power is.
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Well Macron seems to be charging forward with policy that will help lead to oil-independence from the Russian Kleptocracy. With the U.S. basically spiraling out of the picture, the EU better realize how important ripping away Russia's last bit of power is.
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I'm glad Marine Le Pen did not win. Her xenophobic angle and plan on a ban on immigration would have damaged France. France has always been a multicultural nation, right through to the earliest days of the Franks tribes. Incidentally, how many American expats in France voted on this [if you can vote in France, that is?]. I know that France has always been a popular place with American expats.
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I'm glad Marine Le Pen did not win. Her xenophobic angle and plan on a ban on immigration would have damaged France. France has always been a multicultural nation, right through to the earliest days of the Franks tribes. Incidentally, how many American expats in France voted on this [if you can vote in France, that is?]. I know that France has always been a popular place with American expats.
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I'm glad Marine Le Pen did not win. Her xenophobic angle and plan on a ban on immigration would have damaged France. France has always been a multicultural nation, right through to the earliest days of the Franks tribes. Incidentally, how many American expats in France voted on this [if you can vote in France, that is?]. I know that France has always been a popular place with American expats.
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>They arrested the soldier - a lieutenant usually stationed on a Franco-German military base I wonder if he was a Le Pen supporter.
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>They arrested the soldier - a lieutenant usually stationed on a Franco-German military base I wonder if he was a Le Pen supporter.
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>They arrested the soldier - a lieutenant usually stationed on a Franco-German military base I wonder if he was a Le Pen supporter.
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Of course, although looking at other years it's usually a difference within 500K. I already stipulate this napkin calculation will be noticeably off because it didn't include other candidates like Dupont-Aignan and Poitou. But - pulling from the numbers given in the image - it shows roughly an 8 million vote split, and corresponding percentage difference.
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Of course, although looking at other years it's usually a difference within 500K. I already stipulate this napkin calculation will be noticeably off because it didn't include other candidates like Dupont-Aignan and Poitou. But - pulling from the numbers given in the image - it shows roughly an 8 million vote split, and corresponding percentage difference.
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Of course, although looking at other years it's usually a difference within 500K. I already stipulate this napkin calculation will be noticeably off because it didn't include other candidates like Dupont-Aignan and Poitou. But - pulling from the numbers given in the image - it shows roughly an 8 million vote split, and corresponding percentage difference.
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If I was a betting man, I'd make some money on suckers betting on Le Pen. It's not First Past The Post. The only way Le Pen wins is an absolute majority in the first round. 25% of vote intentions for her, 75% that would vote literally anything against.
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If I was a betting man, I'd make some money on suckers betting on Le Pen. It's not First Past The Post. The only way Le Pen wins is an absolute majority in the first round. 25% of vote intentions for her, 75% that would vote literally anything against.
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If I was a betting man, I'd make some money on suckers betting on Le Pen. It's not First Past The Post. The only way Le Pen wins is an absolute majority in the first round. 25% of vote intentions for her, 75% that would vote literally anything against.
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question for any French: if François Bayrou were not to run and endorsed Macron, would that big enough deal to propel him to the 2nd round?
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question for any French: if François Bayrou were not to run and endorsed Macron, would that big enough deal to propel him to the 2nd round?
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question for any French: if François Bayrou were not to run and endorsed Macron, would that big enough deal to propel him to the 2nd round?
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Clinton has won the popular vote by a considerable margin as predicted by the pollsters. It was the distribution of votes across the states that broke her neck. Doesn't work like that in France. There is no such additional layer in the voting process that could turn the results upside down. I agree that no one should think that Macron has already won the elections, but Clinton vs. Trump isn't a good comparison to the situation in France.
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Clinton has won the popular vote by a considerable margin as predicted by the pollsters. It was the distribution of votes across the states that broke her neck. Doesn't work like that in France. There is no such additional layer in the voting process that could turn the results upside down. I agree that no one should think that Macron has already won the elections, but Clinton vs. Trump isn't a good comparison to the situation in France.
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Clinton has won the popular vote by a considerable margin as predicted by the pollsters. It was the distribution of votes across the states that broke her neck. Doesn't work like that in France. There is no such additional layer in the voting process that could turn the results upside down. I agree that no one should think that Macron has already won the elections, but Clinton vs. Trump isn't a good comparison to the situation in France.
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> Macron said the key to reconciling European people with the European project was to tighten rules on workers and make it harder for companies to employ cheaper labour from other EU countries or shift production to lower-wage countries, undercutting others. This would sadly suggest otherwise
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> Macron said the key to reconciling European people with the European project was to tighten rules on workers and make it harder for companies to employ cheaper labour from other EU countries or shift production to lower-wage countries, undercutting others. This would sadly suggest otherwise
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> Macron said the key to reconciling European people with the European project was to tighten rules on workers and make it harder for companies to employ cheaper labour from other EU countries or shift production to lower-wage countries, undercutting others. This would sadly suggest otherwise
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He could pull a classic trump big win by strong arming Macron into promising to do something he'd already promised to do
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He could pull a classic trump big win by strong arming Macron into promising to do something he'd already promised to do
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He could pull a classic trump big win by strong arming Macron into promising to do something he'd already promised to do
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>Macron really needs to deliver. That's what virtually everyone in this thread seems to forget.
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>Macron really needs to deliver. That's what virtually everyone in this thread seems to forget.
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>Macron really needs to deliver. That's what virtually everyone in this thread seems to forget.
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Which would imply that 10% of the potential, who would have voted for Macron according to the polls, will instead vote for Le Pen, is that what you mean? That's certainly not going to happen.
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Which would imply that 10% of the potential, who would have voted for Macron according to the polls, will instead vote for Le Pen, is that what you mean? That's certainly not going to happen.
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Which would imply that 10% of the potential, who would have voted for Macron according to the polls, will instead vote for Le Pen, is that what you mean? That's certainly not going to happen.
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If I did my math right, Macron's marriage would have become legal / not-creepy only this year.
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If I did my math right, Macron's marriage would have become legal / not-creepy only this year.
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If I did my math right, Macron's marriage would have become legal / not-creepy only this year.
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Huh..... Bruh. Macron is as free market, ooga-booga "Neo-Liberal Technocrat" as they come. The only difference he has with most Market Liberal/"Neoliberal" (hate that term) parties is that he's a liberal in all regards - economic and social. Which would mean Neoliberal economically and Progressive socially by contemporary anglosaxonic terms I guess. Ugh at the american mangling of words.
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Huh..... Bruh. Macron is as free market, ooga-booga "Neo-Liberal Technocrat" as they come. The only difference he has with most Market Liberal/"Neoliberal" (hate that term) parties is that he's a liberal in all regards - economic and social. Which would mean Neoliberal economically and Progressive socially by contemporary anglosaxonic terms I guess. Ugh at the american mangling of words.
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Huh..... Bruh. Macron is as free market, ooga-booga "Neo-Liberal Technocrat" as they come. The only difference he has with most Market Liberal/"Neoliberal" (hate that term) parties is that he's a liberal in all regards - economic and social. Which would mean Neoliberal economically and Progressive socially by contemporary anglosaxonic terms I guess. Ugh at the american mangling of words.
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Huh this thread is way better in terms of arguments from all sides than usual when it is about Melenchon.
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Huh this thread is way better in terms of arguments from all sides than usual when it is about Melenchon.
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Huh this thread is way better in terms of arguments from all sides than usual when it is about Melenchon.
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Pedro Pablo Kuczynski (PPK) Leads Peruanos Por el Kambio (PPK) Emmanuel Macron (EM) leads En Marche (EM)
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Pedro Pablo Kuczynski (PPK) Leads Peruanos Por el Kambio (PPK) Emmanuel Macron (EM) leads En Marche (EM)
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Pedro Pablo Kuczynski (PPK) Leads Peruanos Por el Kambio (PPK) Emmanuel Macron (EM) leads En Marche (EM)
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> And socialists kept asking Hamon to stop fucking them and step down so he wouldn't split the party but refused. You're confusing "left-wing voters" with "Socialist Party".
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> And socialists kept asking Hamon to stop fucking them and step down so he wouldn't split the party but refused. You're confusing "left-wing voters" with "Socialist Party".
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> And socialists kept asking Hamon to stop fucking them and step down so he wouldn't split the party but refused. You're confusing "left-wing voters" with "Socialist Party".
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Not really, which is why I still consider him a dark horse. His only real chance is if he can successfully become the breakaway insurgent character, like Obama in '08 or Bernie in '16. Can a technocrat neoliberal be a quasi-populist breakaway? Yes. Look at Macron, or, for that matter, Obama.
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Not really, which is why I still consider him a dark horse. His only real chance is if he can successfully become the breakaway insurgent character, like Obama in '08 or Bernie in '16. Can a technocrat neoliberal be a quasi-populist breakaway? Yes. Look at Macron, or, for that matter, Obama.
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Not really, which is why I still consider him a dark horse. His only real chance is if he can successfully become the breakaway insurgent character, like Obama in '08 or Bernie in '16. Can a technocrat neoliberal be a quasi-populist breakaway? Yes. Look at Macron, or, for that matter, Obama.
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Yeah I can't fucking believe Melenchon is getting 20% now, it's almost a 4-way tie :/ Worst case is Melencon v Le Pen in the second tour.
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Yeah I can't fucking believe Melenchon is getting 20% now, it's almost a 4-way tie :/ Worst case is Melencon v Le Pen in the second tour.
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Yeah I can't fucking believe Melenchon is getting 20% now, it's almost a 4-way tie :/ Worst case is Melencon v Le Pen in the second tour.
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If EU wants to blackmail someone do it in a way that can be cancelled after the ransom is successful. There were talks of sanctions, that's a fine solution, let everyone see what happens when you dare to disagree with Merkel/Macron, uhm sorry I meant when you fail to adhere to """"European Values(tm)""""" don't put the pressure in a way that will punish them for years to come, their future governments, the people that had no input in that decision, even if they change their stance.
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If EU wants to blackmail someone do it in a way that can be cancelled after the ransom is successful. There were talks of sanctions, that's a fine solution, let everyone see what happens when you dare to disagree with Merkel/Macron, uhm sorry I meant when you fail to adhere to """"European Values(tm)""""" don't put the pressure in a way that will punish them for years to come, their future governments, the people that had no input in that decision, even if they change their stance.
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If EU wants to blackmail someone do it in a way that can be cancelled after the ransom is successful. There were talks of sanctions, that's a fine solution, let everyone see what happens when you dare to disagree with Merkel/Macron, uhm sorry I meant when you fail to adhere to """"European Values(tm)""""" don't put the pressure in a way that will punish them for years to come, their future governments, the people that had no input in that decision, even if they change their stance.
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I would have bet on Le Pen (as you can probably assume from above), so I'm pretty glad I didn't.
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I would have bet on Le Pen (as you can probably assume from above), so I'm pretty glad I didn't.
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I would have bet on Le Pen (as you can probably assume from above), so I'm pretty glad I didn't.
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but is france so much better on integration than the US? Fillon and even i think Macron expressed concerns but they're beating us on homosexuality. does it have to do with algerians vs other muslim country origins?
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but is france so much better on integration than the US? Fillon and even i think Macron expressed concerns but they're beating us on homosexuality. does it have to do with algerians vs other muslim country origins?
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but is france so much better on integration than the US? Fillon and even i think Macron expressed concerns but they're beating us on homosexuality. does it have to do with algerians vs other muslim country origins?
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The socialist meme pages I see on Facebook are too busy criticizing "centrism" with Macron's win. Forgive us for not wanting to send either CEOs or gays to the Gulags.
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The socialist meme pages I see on Facebook are too busy criticizing "centrism" with Macron's win. Forgive us for not wanting to send either CEOs or gays to the Gulags.
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The socialist meme pages I see on Facebook are too busy criticizing "centrism" with Macron's win. Forgive us for not wanting to send either CEOs or gays to the Gulags.
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This subreddit is about as inclusive as can be, especially with all the romanticizing of Trudeau and Macron. The sub has done all it can do to "attract" demographics, that being by being the most pragmatic in searching for the best pathways to inclusiveness and equality for all humanity. If there are imbalances in the demographics, it's not the "fault" of the content of the sub.
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This subreddit is about as inclusive as can be, especially with all the romanticizing of Trudeau and Macron. The sub has done all it can do to "attract" demographics, that being by being the most pragmatic in searching for the best pathways to inclusiveness and equality for all humanity. If there are imbalances in the demographics, it's not the "fault" of the content of the sub.
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This subreddit is about as inclusive as can be, especially with all the romanticizing of Trudeau and Macron. The sub has done all it can do to "attract" demographics, that being by being the most pragmatic in searching for the best pathways to inclusiveness and equality for all humanity. If there are imbalances in the demographics, it's not the "fault" of the content of the sub.
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Fillon's endorsement means it shouldn't be a "split". Fillon is right wing but he's no Nazi.
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Fillon's endorsement means it shouldn't be a "split". Fillon is right wing but he's no Nazi.
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Fillon's endorsement means it shouldn't be a "split". Fillon is right wing but he's no Nazi.
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Let me guess- Le Pen would've been the better choice
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Let me guess- Le Pen would've been the better choice
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Let me guess- Le Pen would've been the better choice
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I understand the feeling: I'd love to yell the same thing at supporters of Le Pen, the AfD and co. If you don't like Europe, fucking leave mate.
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