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Upvoting just because I like the flag. I agree, there the government is blowing it out of proportion. Unfortunately this is Europe's Modus Operandi regarding Russian interference. Just like Macron's hacking. I don't deny there's Russian interference, but with little evidence provided, we should really stop campaigning or politicizing the issue. People can see when the issue is being politicized and, frankly, it's counterproductive.
europe
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> you can ban nazi rallies, but not anti-nazi. Understood. In your own country. If it comes to other countries, our politicians usually do not pick sides. If Merkel would have publicly picked side of Macron or Anti-Brexit, those countries would have rightfully protested:"Do not interfere with our elections!".
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> you can ban nazi rallies, but not anti-nazi. Understood. In your own country. If it comes to other countries, our politicians usually do not pick sides. If Merkel would have publicly picked side of Macron or Anti-Brexit, those countries would have rightfully protested:"Do not interfere with our elections!".
europe
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> you can ban nazi rallies, but not anti-nazi. Understood. In your own country. If it comes to other countries, our politicians usually do not pick sides. If Merkel would have publicly picked side of Macron or Anti-Brexit, those countries would have rightfully protested:"Do not interfere with our elections!".
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Bill has no formal training in economics, but he was Minister of Finance for many years. Regardless, this is not an economist. Macron is not an economist. An economist is something very specific.
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Bill has no formal training in economics, but he was Minister of Finance for many years. Regardless, this is not an economist. Macron is not an economist. An economist is something very specific.
neoliberal
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Bill has no formal training in economics, but he was Minister of Finance for many years. Regardless, this is not an economist. Macron is not an economist. An economist is something very specific.
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To be honest Macron wipes the floor with Le Pen. Her getting to the second round isn't an issue.
europe
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To be honest Macron wipes the floor with Le Pen. Her getting to the second round isn't an issue.
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Non-Moral
Confident
To be honest Macron wipes the floor with Le Pen. Her getting to the second round isn't an issue.
europe
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Confident
Yeah, that's Le Pen for you, and it's not even his worst !
worldnews
French politics
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Yeah, that's Le Pen for you, and it's not even his worst !
worldnews
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Yeah, that's Le Pen for you, and it's not even his worst !
worldnews
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Ah yes, Marine Le Pen, the absolutely truthful and far sighted genius we should all listen to.
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Ah yes, Marine Le Pen, the absolutely truthful and far sighted genius we should all listen to.
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Ah yes, Marine Le Pen, the absolutely truthful and far sighted genius we should all listen to.
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strangely I wouldn't consider it a very divisive election. the presence of a strong centrist offer (Macron) make it that most people have at least two candidate two consider, which foster dialogue. by comparison, previous election where you only had the choice between the main right and left candidates felt way more divisive. the tone was also way more aggressive.
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strangely I wouldn't consider it a very divisive election. the presence of a strong centrist offer (Macron) make it that most people have at least two candidate two consider, which foster dialogue. by comparison, previous election where you only had the choice between the main right and left candidates felt way more divisive. the tone was also way more aggressive.
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strangely I wouldn't consider it a very divisive election. the presence of a strong centrist offer (Macron) make it that most people have at least two candidate two consider, which foster dialogue. by comparison, previous election where you only had the choice between the main right and left candidates felt way more divisive. the tone was also way more aggressive.
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But they support Macron by 70% in the second round though, his best age category.
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But they support Macron by 70% in the second round though, his best age category.
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But they support Macron by 70% in the second round though, his best age category.
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Why would you assume I (or macron) am a racist bigot ?
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Why would you assume I (or macron) am a racist bigot ?
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Why would you assume I (or macron) am a racist bigot ?
europe
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Confident
Or just don't mind Jew-hating as much as some other issue that Le Pen's father was pushing.
worldnews
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Equality
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Or just don't mind Jew-hating as much as some other issue that Le Pen's father was pushing.
worldnews
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Care,Equality
Confident
Or just don't mind Jew-hating as much as some other issue that Le Pen's father was pushing.
worldnews
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Non-Moral
Confident
No, but when the Le Pen supporters are all attacking Fillon for his corruption and refuse any and all accusations of corruption against her, even when she admitted so herself, then maybe you shouldn't start screaming "DEMOCRACY!1!" when the judiciary moves against her. The nice thing about justice, is that it's not determined by popularity.
europe
French politics
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Proportionality
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No, but when the Le Pen supporters are all attacking Fillon for his corruption and refuse any and all accusations of corruption against her, even when she admitted so herself, then maybe you shouldn't start screaming "DEMOCRACY!1!" when the judiciary moves against her. The nice thing about justice, is that it's not determined by popularity.
europe
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Confident
No, but when the Le Pen supporters are all attacking Fillon for his corruption and refuse any and all accusations of corruption against her, even when she admitted so herself, then maybe you shouldn't start screaming "DEMOCRACY!1!" when the judiciary moves against her. The nice thing about justice, is that it's not determined by popularity.
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Very few people supported Hillary because she was a woman. They supported her because she was capable and competent while also celebrating the fact that she may have been our first woman president. On the other hand, Le Pen (not LaPen) is about as dumb as you can get and still run for president. She was destroyed by based Macron in the debate and is about to lose by a huge order of magnitude. I don't know why trumpets get so focused on the woman aspect tbh. Nuance is dead to 'em apparently.
neoliberal
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Very few people supported Hillary because she was a woman. They supported her because she was capable and competent while also celebrating the fact that she may have been our first woman president. On the other hand, Le Pen (not LaPen) is about as dumb as you can get and still run for president. She was destroyed by based Macron in the debate and is about to lose by a huge order of magnitude. I don't know why trumpets get so focused on the woman aspect tbh. Nuance is dead to 'em apparently.
neoliberal
French politics
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Authority
Confident
Very few people supported Hillary because she was a woman. They supported her because she was capable and competent while also celebrating the fact that she may have been our first woman president. On the other hand, Le Pen (not LaPen) is about as dumb as you can get and still run for president. She was destroyed by based Macron in the debate and is about to lose by a huge order of magnitude. I don't know why trumpets get so focused on the woman aspect tbh. Nuance is dead to 'em apparently.
neoliberal
French politics
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Equality
Confident
You can't ever believe how angry putin fans,who were rooting for Le Pen!I love reading their raging comments
worldnews
French politics
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You can't ever believe how angry putin fans,who were rooting for Le Pen!I love reading their raging comments
worldnews
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You can't ever believe how angry putin fans,who were rooting for Le Pen!I love reading their raging comments
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Confident
First, you don't need Le Pen's politics to be anti-terrorism, and second- much like Trump, Le Pen's politics encourage and are beneficial to groups like ISIS.
worldnews
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Confident
First, you don't need Le Pen's politics to be anti-terrorism, and second- much like Trump, Le Pen's politics encourage and are beneficial to groups like ISIS.
worldnews
French politics
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Care,Purity,Equality,Proportionality
Confident
First, you don't need Le Pen's politics to be anti-terrorism, and second- much like Trump, Le Pen's politics encourage and are beneficial to groups like ISIS.
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I think it's going to depend on the election in France. if Le Pen wins, the EU project is dead. If not, it's going to go on, maybe very long if france-germany can show some leadership to get over their current problems in the EU (which are many, but solvable since they are fairly wealthy).
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I think it's going to depend on the election in France. if Le Pen wins, the EU project is dead. If not, it's going to go on, maybe very long if france-germany can show some leadership to get over their current problems in the EU (which are many, but solvable since they are fairly wealthy).
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Confident
I think it's going to depend on the election in France. if Le Pen wins, the EU project is dead. If not, it's going to go on, maybe very long if france-germany can show some leadership to get over their current problems in the EU (which are many, but solvable since they are fairly wealthy).
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Confident
The website may be dodgy but the headline is legit - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017 Le Penn is ahead in the *first round* polls. She's still 15-20% behind in the second round polls.
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The website may be dodgy but the headline is legit - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017 Le Penn is ahead in the *first round* polls. She's still 15-20% behind in the second round polls.
worldnews
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The website may be dodgy but the headline is legit - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017 Le Penn is ahead in the *first round* polls. She's still 15-20% behind in the second round polls.
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I like Melenchon because he's very smart and have sharp analysis. That being said, this man is fucking dangerous. He's capable of very hard and violent speeches.
europe
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I like Melenchon because he's very smart and have sharp analysis. That being said, this man is fucking dangerous. He's capable of very hard and violent speeches.
europe
French politics
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Care,Authority
Confident
I like Melenchon because he's very smart and have sharp analysis. That being said, this man is fucking dangerous. He's capable of very hard and violent speeches.
europe
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Confident
"Was General de Gaulle more brave than Marshal Pétain in the occupied zone? This isn't sure. It was much easier to resist in London than to resist in France." - Jean-Marie Le Pen
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"Was General de Gaulle more brave than Marshal Pétain in the occupied zone? This isn't sure. It was much easier to resist in London than to resist in France." - Jean-Marie Le Pen
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"Was General de Gaulle more brave than Marshal Pétain in the occupied zone? This isn't sure. It was much easier to resist in London than to resist in France." - Jean-Marie Le Pen
worldnews
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Confident
I'm so glad it isn't Le Pen vs Mélenchon. At least there's a less extreme choice now.
worldnews
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I'm so glad it isn't Le Pen vs Mélenchon. At least there's a less extreme choice now.
worldnews
French politics
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Care,Proportionality
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I'm so glad it isn't Le Pen vs Mélenchon. At least there's a less extreme choice now.
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but why would you expect the Islamists to vote Le Pen? Sorry if I misunderstood
worldnews
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but why would you expect the Islamists to vote Le Pen? Sorry if I misunderstood
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but why would you expect the Islamists to vote Le Pen? Sorry if I misunderstood
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Confident
>No idea about french newspapers. That somehow starkly clashes with your previous claims. Where did you get the idea that any of the people you mentioned are left-wing? Their "selective reporting" often enough consisted of simply quoting the batshit crazy bullshit that Trump says and writes, and he and his staff have in fact called *printing what he said word for word* biased. >bad sides of Hillary/macron Why are you on a first-name basis with Clinton and what bad sides of Macron are you referring to? The verifiably faked offshore bank account bs?
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>No idea about french newspapers. That somehow starkly clashes with your previous claims. Where did you get the idea that any of the people you mentioned are left-wing? Their "selective reporting" often enough consisted of simply quoting the batshit crazy bullshit that Trump says and writes, and he and his staff have in fact called *printing what he said word for word* biased. >bad sides of Hillary/macron Why are you on a first-name basis with Clinton and what bad sides of Macron are you referring to? The verifiably faked offshore bank account bs?
europe
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Confident
>No idea about french newspapers. That somehow starkly clashes with your previous claims. Where did you get the idea that any of the people you mentioned are left-wing? Their "selective reporting" often enough consisted of simply quoting the batshit crazy bullshit that Trump says and writes, and he and his staff have in fact called *printing what he said word for word* biased. >bad sides of Hillary/macron Why are you on a first-name basis with Clinton and what bad sides of Macron are you referring to? The verifiably faked offshore bank account bs?
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Yes, Macron is routinely buying cocaine with Bitcoin on his campaign email
neoliberal
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Yes, Macron is routinely buying cocaine with Bitcoin on his campaign email
neoliberal
French politics
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Yes, Macron is routinely buying cocaine with Bitcoin on his campaign email
neoliberal
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Hofer was supposed to be the Austrian president, Wilders was supposed to win in Netherlands, not have even less seats than in 2010, Le Pen was supposed to win first round, Le Pen was supposed to win second round, Le Pen was supposed to win at least 40%, FN was supposed to win 20% or more in parliamentary elections, etc. etc. etc. etc. Get out.
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Hofer was supposed to be the Austrian president, Wilders was supposed to win in Netherlands, not have even less seats than in 2010, Le Pen was supposed to win first round, Le Pen was supposed to win second round, Le Pen was supposed to win at least 40%, FN was supposed to win 20% or more in parliamentary elections, etc. etc. etc. etc. Get out.
europe
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Confident
Hofer was supposed to be the Austrian president, Wilders was supposed to win in Netherlands, not have even less seats than in 2010, Le Pen was supposed to win first round, Le Pen was supposed to win second round, Le Pen was supposed to win at least 40%, FN was supposed to win 20% or more in parliamentary elections, etc. etc. etc. etc. Get out.
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Le Pen is unlikely to win? I thought she was doing well. I'm not familiar with the french election system though. Could you elaborate a bit?
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Le Pen is unlikely to win? I thought she was doing well. I'm not familiar with the french election system though. Could you elaborate a bit?
worldnews
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Le Pen is unlikely to win? I thought she was doing well. I'm not familiar with the french election system though. Could you elaborate a bit?
worldnews
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> Time Magazine has already documented that Le Pen’s political party, the National Front, took out a nine million Euro (approximately ten million US dollar) loan from a bank in Moscow in 2014 (link). That means that Marine Le Pen and her party have in fact been funded by Russia. This hardly seems like anything at all
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> Time Magazine has already documented that Le Pen’s political party, the National Front, took out a nine million Euro (approximately ten million US dollar) loan from a bank in Moscow in 2014 (link). That means that Marine Le Pen and her party have in fact been funded by Russia. This hardly seems like anything at all
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> Time Magazine has already documented that Le Pen’s political party, the National Front, took out a nine million Euro (approximately ten million US dollar) loan from a bank in Moscow in 2014 (link). That means that Marine Le Pen and her party have in fact been funded by Russia. This hardly seems like anything at all
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Yeah, my knee-jerk reaction in this case is basically based on thinking about les banlieues.. I get the fact that it's hard to roll back shitty economic policies. But America and to a much greater extent France are in a place right now where the shitty policies that right-wing populists wanna pursue are much more immediately dangerous imo. I can take a less than efficient economy, I can't take Le Pen's potential assault on any French citizens who aren't white Christians.
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Yeah, my knee-jerk reaction in this case is basically based on thinking about les banlieues.. I get the fact that it's hard to roll back shitty economic policies. But America and to a much greater extent France are in a place right now where the shitty policies that right-wing populists wanna pursue are much more immediately dangerous imo. I can take a less than efficient economy, I can't take Le Pen's potential assault on any French citizens who aren't white Christians.
neoliberal
French politics
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Care,Authority,Equality
Confident
Yeah, my knee-jerk reaction in this case is basically based on thinking about les banlieues.. I get the fact that it's hard to roll back shitty economic policies. But America and to a much greater extent France are in a place right now where the shitty policies that right-wing populists wanna pursue are much more immediately dangerous imo. I can take a less than efficient economy, I can't take Le Pen's potential assault on any French citizens who aren't white Christians.
neoliberal
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Seriously, stop it. The FN are literal nazis. Le Pen's party was founded by members of the Waffen-SS and french collaborationists. Jean-Marie Le Pen (MLP's father and cofounder of the party) is publicly anti-semite and an holocaust denier. Stop it with the straw man. There is no Godwin Law here. These are actual, literal, nazis. Not neo nazis, not "certain elements", no. Classic Nazis.
europe
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Seriously, stop it. The FN are literal nazis. Le Pen's party was founded by members of the Waffen-SS and french collaborationists. Jean-Marie Le Pen (MLP's father and cofounder of the party) is publicly anti-semite and an holocaust denier. Stop it with the straw man. There is no Godwin Law here. These are actual, literal, nazis. Not neo nazis, not "certain elements", no. Classic Nazis.
europe
French politics
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Authority,Equality
Confident
Seriously, stop it. The FN are literal nazis. Le Pen's party was founded by members of the Waffen-SS and french collaborationists. Jean-Marie Le Pen (MLP's father and cofounder of the party) is publicly anti-semite and an holocaust denier. Stop it with the straw man. There is no Godwin Law here. These are actual, literal, nazis. Not neo nazis, not "certain elements", no. Classic Nazis.
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You lucky, lucky bastard. But wait: >@benbernanke is our God, who delivered us from a 2nd Great Depression. Macron is his prophet. We love Austan Goolsbee just a bit more tho. Dat ain't even our theology, tho.
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You lucky, lucky bastard. But wait: >@benbernanke is our God, who delivered us from a 2nd Great Depression. Macron is his prophet. We love Austan Goolsbee just a bit more tho. Dat ain't even our theology, tho.
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You lucky, lucky bastard. But wait: >@benbernanke is our God, who delivered us from a 2nd Great Depression. Macron is his prophet. We love Austan Goolsbee just a bit more tho. Dat ain't even our theology, tho.
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Well, I d say that her ideology is dangerous, but not Le Pen.
worldnews
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Well, I d say that her ideology is dangerous, but not Le Pen.
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Well, I d say that her ideology is dangerous, but not Le Pen.
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Melenchon is definitely not a "Sanders-esque" politician. Just comparing the US's furthest-left candidate with France's furthest-left candidate doesn't really work here. Melenchon wants a *maximum wage* imposed by taxing income over a certain threshold ($325k/year I think?) at 90-100%, reducing the work week to 32 hours, and wants to revoke most trade deals and leave NATO.
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Melenchon is definitely not a "Sanders-esque" politician. Just comparing the US's furthest-left candidate with France's furthest-left candidate doesn't really work here. Melenchon wants a *maximum wage* imposed by taxing income over a certain threshold ($325k/year I think?) at 90-100%, reducing the work week to 32 hours, and wants to revoke most trade deals and leave NATO.
worldnews
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Melenchon is definitely not a "Sanders-esque" politician. Just comparing the US's furthest-left candidate with France's furthest-left candidate doesn't really work here. Melenchon wants a *maximum wage* imposed by taxing income over a certain threshold ($325k/year I think?) at 90-100%, reducing the work week to 32 hours, and wants to revoke most trade deals and leave NATO.
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Actually the only muslim named as a suspect has just been cleared of suspicion and is just a witness. The only suspect is a Quebecois name Alexandre Bissonnette that liked Trump and Marine Le Pen : https://twitter.com/tvanouvelles/status/826115972511719424
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Actually the only muslim named as a suspect has just been cleared of suspicion and is just a witness. The only suspect is a Quebecois name Alexandre Bissonnette that liked Trump and Marine Le Pen : https://twitter.com/tvanouvelles/status/826115972511719424
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Actually the only muslim named as a suspect has just been cleared of suspicion and is just a witness. The only suspect is a Quebecois name Alexandre Bissonnette that liked Trump and Marine Le Pen : https://twitter.com/tvanouvelles/status/826115972511719424
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Doubt Macron would be their choice over Fillon or Le Pen. South East of France is the most socially conservative region in the whole country
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Doubt Macron would be their choice over Fillon or Le Pen. South East of France is the most socially conservative region in the whole country
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Doubt Macron would be their choice over Fillon or Le Pen. South East of France is the most socially conservative region in the whole country
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So, Le Pen gets in the 2nd round, but FN totally bombs in parliamentary elections. How come?
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So, Le Pen gets in the 2nd round, but FN totally bombs in parliamentary elections. How come?
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So, Le Pen gets in the 2nd round, but FN totally bombs in parliamentary elections. How come?
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Well I wanted to show you that you are wrong and see your reaction. Of course, it's all I could expect from Macron supporter - lack of arguments, tons of hate, hipocrisy, ignorance, and "U TROLL" arguments. Now go and cheer on KOD parades.
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Well I wanted to show you that you are wrong and see your reaction. Of course, it's all I could expect from Macron supporter - lack of arguments, tons of hate, hipocrisy, ignorance, and "U TROLL" arguments. Now go and cheer on KOD parades.
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Well I wanted to show you that you are wrong and see your reaction. Of course, it's all I could expect from Macron supporter - lack of arguments, tons of hate, hipocrisy, ignorance, and "U TROLL" arguments. Now go and cheer on KOD parades.
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