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9,900 | comment | celoyd | 2007-04-07T04:46:06 | null | And s/OSX/OS X/ | null | null | 9,851 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,901 | comment | pg | 2007-04-07T04:48:25 | null | You missed the point. I was using it as an example of how the canonical application that's hard to make web-basd (and which I used as an example thereof in "The Other Road Ahead") can be made web-based. Adobe's making a web-based image editor themselves, but I can't link to that because the only trace of it so far are their FUD press releases. | null | null | 9,839 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,902 | comment | nicodaemos | 2007-04-07T04:54:37 | null | Just two days ago I wrote an article about web server stats and noticed that a) Microsoft is almost nonexistent amongst the geek programming community and b) that contrary to Netcraft's numbers, Microsoft servers are in a small minority of sites frequented by geeks like myself.<p><a href="http://hitesh-jasani.blogspot.com/2007/04/web-server-stats.html">http://hitesh-jasani.blogspot.com/2007/04/web-server-stats.html</a><p> | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,903 | comment | Goladus | 2007-04-07T04:57:50 | null | Microsoft has the corporate desktop, but it's ripe for the taking. Google and various startups are trying to get their foot in the door. Big corporations don't do anything fast and no one expects windows to be wiped out. There are still mainframes out there running ancient software. In some cases simple terminal emulator front ends still outperform newer, browser-based alternatives.<p>And microsoft will still probably come out with new useful and popular products, but they won't be the sort that cause shockwaves throughout the whole industry (well maybe the Game Industry but that wasn't the point). | null | null | 9,778 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,904 | comment | gibsonf1 | 2007-04-07T05:01:38 | null | It's highly unlikely in the near term. The software my firm uses is Autodesk Revit's "Building Information Modeling", a highly evolved "intelligent" 3d modeling database system. The software uses every byte of ram, every hz of cpu, every byte & hertz of video interface on a users system - it takes serious horsepower to run a large model which is accessed over the network by multiple users. (Refreshing the model remotely via vpn over dsl can take 15 minutes) I don't see AJAX coming close to handling this kind of load for a long while. Also, the files can be huge, and in a web-hosted environment, the file storage would have to be absolutely massive and absolutely fast.<p>An interesting note is that Autodesk started out with Autocad, which they coded in lisp (eventually transformed into autolisp.) They took the MS model to software development and proceeded to make bigger and more complex versions with increasing quantities of bugs to the extent that multiple crashes per day were the norm. But they owned 80% of the world cad market, they became the 2nd largest software company in the world.<p>Revit was developed by a small company with an incredibly sound software architecture with a database at the core(without the massive bandaids that had piled up in Autocad and are still there today.) and developed a devoted cult following. Autodesk fought back with "Architectural Desktop", which I bought (before I knew about Revit). Their version: Cut a section through a building, wait 30 minutes. Revit, Cut a section through a building - instantly. Autodesk got very scared, then bought Revit. They saw the writing on the wall and undersood that Revit would be completely replacing Autocad in the next few years, which it is doing now.<p>So if MS can buy Google, they'll be all set :) | null | null | 9,814 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,905 | comment | gweb | 2007-04-07T05:03:16 | null | The Java language is so verbose that its programmers can tolerate hand-editing XML files for builds. This perhaps points out that it is not the parens that are holding back lisp. Maybe to test this someone should make XMLLisp where every expression is angle bracketed instead of parensed. | null | null | 9,661 | 9,661 | null | null | null | null |
9,906 | comment | bootload | 2007-04-07T05:03:24 | null | null | null | 9,506 | 9,501 | null | null | null | true |
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9,907 | comment | nostrademons | 2007-04-07T05:06:29 | null | He's wondering if PG should have been the one to post this article, given that PG wrote it and also wrote this site.<p>And I dunno about news.YC, but Reddit at least doesn't work that way. I've written pieces that were picked up on Reddit and posted by other people. I found it rather flattering; it meant other folks thought it was interesting enough to post without my intervention. | null | null | 9,897 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,908 | story | gibsonf1 | 2007-04-07T05:11:37 | Microsoft Is Dead. Long Live Microsoft. | null | http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/23/opinion/23carr.html?ex=1248321600&en=313e86d1b0f2ac2f&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland | 3 | null | 9,908 | 1 | [
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9,909 | comment | bootload | 2007-04-07T05:11:49 | null | null | null | 9,506 | 9,501 | null | null | null | true |
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9,910 | comment | jellerbee | 2007-04-07T05:17:54 | null | Can you explain the power Microsoft had to shut down people where "true innovation" came from? and who or what stopped them from doing this?<p>What is the difference between "true innovation" and -- I don't even know how to ask this exactly -- "untrue innovation"?<p> | null | null | 9,813 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,911 | comment | nostrademons | 2007-04-07T05:18:41 | null | "But even if you have positive cashflow, it generally makes sense for young companies to reinvest those earnings instead of taking debt investment."<p>Not necessarily - or rather, it's often rational to do both.<p>It's rational for a business to take out a loan if the interest rate of the loan is less than their expected return on capital. Interest rates for business loans are what, 6-8%? It's not uncommon for a well-run, growing business with a strong franchise to earn a ROC of about 25%. <p>Debt lets them grow faster, sooner, and then they can pay off the debt from future earnings. It's often far more capital-efficient than floating an equity offering, where the investors would get a share of all those additional profits.<p>It doesn't work for web startups because web startups often have far lumpier earnings. It's not uncommon for a web startup to be bought for multi-millions before they earn a dime of profit. That's because their real "customers" are big companies, who are paranoid about losing their market to an upstart. A web startups users are effectively an advertising expense: spend a few thousand on bandwidth to show that if you wanted, you could take over the world, and then get a big company to buy you to prevent that from happening.<p>There are some web startups that employ debt financing very effectively. For example, Akamai floated close to $300M of convertible bonds to fund its expansion. As a result, it effectively acquired a lock on the content-delivery business, which has allowed it to grow by leaps and bounds over the past 5 years. Without that debt financing, they'd either have to forgo their thousands of datacenters in strategically-placed locations, or they'd have diluted their equity so much that it wouldn't be worth it for them. | null | null | 9,761 | 9,652 | null | null | null | null |
9,912 | comment | gibsonf1 | 2007-04-07T05:20:18 | null | The point is not what Web 2.0 offers today, it's what Web 2.0 offers next year, and the year after. Whether you see it or not, the tide has turned.<p>Evolution:<p>-Mainframes as the computing platform (IBM)<p>--- PCs as the computing platform (Apple)<p>------- the OS as the computing platform (MS Windows) (Where Apple missed the boat by only offering their OS on proprietary hardware) <p>------------- the Internet as the computing platform (Google) (where MS will probably miss the boat)
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9,913 | comment | grauenwolf | 2007-04-07T05:28:09 | null | Technically it isn't a legit copy of Windows. OEM versions are usually tied to the computer they are originally sold with.<p>Personally I don't think it is fair, but that's how licensing works under a monopoly.<p>Jonathan Allen | null | null | 9,847 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,914 | comment | grauenwolf | 2007-04-07T05:35:56 | null | Have you taken a look at their developer toolkit? <p>ASP.NET is a really strong player in the web, and ATLAS has given them serious AJAX support. It is still pretty buggy now, but has the promise of the same easy drag and drop development that revolutionized Windows developement.<p>Or XNA? The next generation of game deveopers are already cutting their teeth on C# and XBox.<p>Or Robotics Studio? They are positioning themselves to corner the OS market for Robotics the same way they did for PCs back in the 80s.<p>As long as Microsoft has the hearts and minds of millions of developers, they aren't dead.
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9,915 | story | kyro | 2007-04-07T05:37:00 | Doin' the startup, sans Y Combinator, Techstars, etc. | null | 1 | null | 9,915 | 6 | [
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9,916 | comment | kyro | 2007-04-07T05:37:11 | null | Well, after a long and arduous day at school, I came home to a nice letter from Techstars informing me of my rejection from their program. After about an hour or so of contemplation and in a slump of discouragement, it soon dawned on me that I might/will probably receive a similar answer from Y Combinator. However, I am still extremely confident in my idea(s). So, instead of banking on such programs to help me springboard my ideas into production, I'm probably going to have to do this alone.<p>I've read many of Paul's articles and others about starting startups, however many of them deal with the conceptual do's and don't's, and don't provide a methodical guide of how to go about getting things in motion.<p>I am a 20yr. old undergrad university student, so the entire startup scene is relatively new. However, do not mistake this for me having a lack of dedication. I have the drive and desires to do this.<p>It would be greatly appreciated if you guy could post helpful articles, your suggestions, advice, etc. of how to go about doing this alone. | null | null | 9,915 | 9,915 | null | [
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9,917 | story | mukund | 2007-04-07T05:41:29 | Have a request for PG and YC | null | 1 | null | 9,917 | 6 | [
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9,918 | comment | mukund | 2007-04-07T05:41:58 | null | Since YC is attracting lots of talent..can YC provide a sort of virtual meeting place where information exchange between people of same frequency happens? Just like Saeed Amidi's carpet shop became center of startup activities, YC can also become one virtual nerve center! | null | null | 9,917 | 9,917 | null | [
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9,919 | comment | mukund | 2007-04-07T05:47:15 | null | Kyro dont worry, u r still young and have lots of time. Just keep the determination and dedication, you will make it asap. By the way ever read essay's on PG's page?
<a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/articles.html">http://www.paulgraham.com/articles.html</a>
These are good enough to boot strap urself with the powerade to excel in future. | null | null | 9,916 | 9,915 | null | null | null | null |
9,920 | comment | projectileboy | 2007-04-07T05:47:45 | null | I agree strongly with reason (5) - whatever anyone thinks about Bill Gates, Microsoft was clearly a different company when Mr. Gates was at the helm. | null | null | 9,875 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,921 | comment | bartsimpson007 | 2007-04-07T05:51:34 | null | Paul, I have great respect for you. But I think you contradit yourself a bit when you say this "..everyone can see the desktop is over. It now seems inevitable that applications will live on the webÂnot just email, but everything, right up to Photoshop". That by itself is a accuate and I can agree with. But you go on to rant about how Apple has put MS on the run and how you fund people that use Mac etc etc. Don't you consider Apple a desktop too??
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9,922 | comment | joeschmoe | 2007-04-07T05:52:46 | null | "Their victory is so complete that I'm now surprised when I come across a computer running Windows. Nearly all the people we fund at Y Combinator use Apple laptops."<p>I love "essays" where someone has experience from the last few years and says stupid things like this. "I'm surprised" when I see people using laptops their companies buy...and they run windows? That's just naive and foolish to say. Yes, Apple is cool, but that's like me saying I'm surprised when I DON'T see a laptop running Linux. Hey, I go to little conferences too, and everyone is using a Linux laptop. See how dumb it sounds? Now think that Linux and Mac have close to the same market share.
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9,923 | comment | joeschmoe | 2007-04-07T05:55:17 | null | Secondly, I believe that this "essay" sounds young, and a bit smarmy. Like a first-year sophomoric newbie would write, trying to sound like they are <i>so</i> surprised that the students in dorm 13 haven't been going to the new dining hall, because everyone <i>knows</i> it's the best. | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,924 | comment | joeschmoe | 2007-04-07T06:01:32 | null | Total agreement here. | null | null | 9,775 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,925 | comment | theoutlander | 2007-04-07T06:01:39 | null | If you believe in your idea and it really has potential, then you can do it on your own! | null | null | 9,916 | 9,915 | null | [
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9,926 | comment | joeschmoe | 2007-04-07T06:02:50 | null | I think this is an essay for people who <i>want</i> to be MS is dead, but it just ain't true. | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,927 | comment | theoutlander | 2007-04-07T06:03:03 | null | Online Collaboration Site | null | null | 9,711 | 9,711 | null | null | null | null |
9,928 | comment | theoutlander | 2007-04-07T06:04:16 | null | Microsoft! LOL | null | null | 8,408 | 8,099 | null | null | null | null |
9,929 | comment | sergiutruta | 2007-04-07T06:10:02 | null | There aren't too much articles with step-by-step guides on launching start-ups because there is no recipe. The best recipe is get on your feet and do it. Don't wait for dos and donts. This is what all the articles and experienced people recommend. So, start doing it and have fun while doing it. | null | null | 9,925 | 9,915 | null | null | null | null |
9,930 | comment | rrameshp | 2007-04-07T06:17:11 | null | When articles like this stop appearing on the web only then can one assume that Microsoft is dead. The barometer of a Organizations success can be gauged by the number of enemies they have.
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9,931 | comment | dietzsignals | 2007-04-07T06:19:23 | null | old news.
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9,932 | comment | jellerbee | 2007-04-07T06:20:31 | null | So let me get this straight:
Microsoft offers your university worthless software that provides no value to end users. The university knows its worthless software, you know its worthless, but the university is forced to buy it anyway because the dirty rotten scoundrels at Microsoft set the price so low. <p>University S/W Buyer: "We have to buy some MS Software."
University S/W Boss: "Why?"
University S/W Buyer: "Its $5.00 dollars per CD"
University S/W Boss: "Ok, then I guess we have no choice."
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9,933 | comment | aprocrastinator | 2007-04-07T06:24:47 | null | It's not dead, just a paper tiger. The final nail in the coffin will come with Web 3.0/4.0 when the operating system will be accessed on the web in the same way apps are now and the need for a system like Vista or OSX will go the of the dinosaurs. | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,934 | comment | mukund | 2007-04-07T06:27:37 | null | Rather amusing!
I would say that Geeks make better targets as they get rich fast (very fast) now a days ;-) | null | null | 9,759 | 9,759 | null | null | null | null |
9,935 | story | rwalker | 2007-04-07T06:32:21 | Y Combinator interview tips | null | http://drraw.blogspot.com/2007/04/ycombinator-advice-interview-tips.html | 32 | null | 9,935 | 9 | [
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9,936 | comment | nickb | 2007-04-07T06:37:20 | null | That's easy: Doug Engelbart's "Mother of all demos"<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8734787622017763097">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8734787622017763097</a>
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9,937 | comment | danielha | 2007-04-07T06:39:34 | null | They are so enormous that they stifle themselves. Sometimes Microsoft seems to put out something, from <i>some division</i>, that makes one think: "Hey, this is a good move -- maybe they're starting to get it." But before one can utter those words, another of Microsoft's many appendages does something to completely nullify those sentiments.<p>That "appendage" is usually the head itself. Microsoft often acquires a good thing (many times a catchup move) but this thing only stays good for a short time. When integration is complete, it's a single bumbling Microsoft entity once again. | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,938 | comment | flarosa | 2007-04-07T06:43:42 | null | Microsoft used to be my hero, ever since the day I turned on my first TRS-80 and saw the Microsoft Basic copyright notice.<p>For 20 years Microsoft was my whole world. MS-DOS, old Windows, new Windows. DLLs, ODBC, IIS, and all the rest of it. Keeping up with Microsoft was a chore. I'd learn to program DLLs, and by the time I was good at it, they were pushing Active X. Or I'd learn to use named pipes, only to find that everyone was using sockets. Everything was a confusing mismash of competing APIs, old code, new code, multiple ways of doing the same thing with no good explanation. Finding help in MSDN was a nightmare. Sometimes they'd just repackage or rebrand the same technology for no other reason than to confuse you. DNA? What the hell was that?<p>One day my boss asked me to do a project in Java. What an eye-opener. Everything made sense. Everything I needed was there, but without tons of redundant, obsolete material. Today I run Linux servers, program in Java, deploy on JBoss with MySQL databases. I ditched Visual Studio in favor of Eclipse. I love working with this stuff. I feel truly sorry for people who are forced to limit themselves to Microsoft technology.
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9,939 | comment | theoutlander | 2007-04-07T06:48:57 | null | I feel lucky to have experienced Solaris which I loved back in school... of course now I am into Redhat / freeBSD ... and of course Windows! | null | null | 9,777 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,940 | comment | danielha | 2007-04-07T06:50:44 | null | They had the ability to throw their weight around -- and they did. One popular example: competing browsers such as Netscape or Opera hardly stood a chance against an integrated IE in Windows. What changed this landscape? A few things, one of which was US v Microsoft. | null | null | 9,910 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,941 | comment | JMiao | 2007-04-07T06:54:06 | null | Sorry, but saying you're a Jobs doesn't make you one. There's more to Steve Jobs than being "non-technical" with "business experience." While he wasn't a programmer, Steve Jobs is a bona fide hacker in the bigger picture.<p>And comparing most hackers to Woz is like trying to compare professional basketball players with Michael Jordan.
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9,942 | comment | theoutlander | 2007-04-07T06:54:13 | null | Soapbox | null | null | 9,804 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,943 | comment | papersmith | 2007-04-07T06:57:53 | null | With VB6 your chance of finding a good hacker diminishes quite a bit. May I inquire why do you need VB? What do you use it for? | null | null | 9,796 | 9,786 | null | [
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9,944 | comment | JMiao | 2007-04-07T07:00:39 | null | This isn't a fair analysis. XBOX is probably one of the only groups that is moving in a positive direction at Microsoft. Yes, they've lost billions, but Microsoft expected that going in. The billions they've spent over the last few years is a small price to pay for making Windows technology the center of the home entertainment experience as well as owning a significant content pipeline into the living room.<p>However, despite my confidence in XBOX, Microsoft is still going to experience a lot of bleeding because XBOX at its best isn't enough to cover for the fact that the Desktop and Windows OS are becoming irrelevant. | null | null | 9,871 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,945 | comment | vikram | 2007-04-07T07:07:24 | null | Monaco is really nice. It is included in the Mac. | null | null | 9,841 | 9,841 | null | null | null | null |
9,946 | comment | theoutlander | 2007-04-07T07:10:26 | null | Windows has its quirks, but it is still the OS regular users choose. Visual Studio (THE BEST PRODUCT FROM MSFT!) beats everything out there! Although, my startup is not using ANY Microsoft technology, I am using Windows to code! Unix is GREAT for server-side....terrible for client-side and Windows is GREAT for client-side, but terrible on server-side!<p>Google owns search but they are losing focus, just like MSFT. Remember that if it weren't for MSFT, Apple wouldn't have taken the PC market too far .... this is just the beginning of the IT revolution!<p>IBM - MSFT - GOOGLE - ADOBE - WHO'S NEXT?<p>They are all gonna slow down at some point.... I am not afraid of Google... Even if a company is a mammoth, it HAS its limitations!!! | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,947 | story | andres | 2007-04-07T07:16:24 | Python-a-day: Sort a List | null | http://xahlee.org/perl-python/sort_list.html | 1 | null | 9,947 | 0 | null | null | null |
9,948 | story | python_kiss | 2007-04-07T07:16:34 | Where Are the Tech Startups? | null | http://www.darrenherman.com/2007/04/04/where-are-the-tech-startups/ | 4 | null | 9,948 | 2 | [
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9,949 | comment | blader | 2007-04-07T07:22:32 | null | Isn't this it? | null | null | 9,918 | 9,917 | null | [
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9,950 | comment | vikram | 2007-04-07T07:23:21 | null | I would agree with that if you wanted to pick up the syntax.
The initial chapters of either R5RS and Ansi CL don't make it obvious how scheme/lisp are different from Algol, except the (()). | null | null | 9,835 | 9,758 | null | null | null | null |
9,951 | comment | mukund | 2007-04-07T07:25:36 | null | Nope, here anyone who is a sneaky guy can get evesdrop on things. I would say people who have applied as contestants could only interact otherwise any disgruntled person who doesnt like YC or PG or who likes MSFT can do some mischief ;-)
So in short i was hinting at this one...say someone is really good but couldnt get selected, they can redraw/regroup with other talented folks. | null | null | 9,949 | 9,917 | null | [
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9,952 | comment | theoutlander | 2007-04-07T07:26:22 | null | I can't even tell because I am not tracking anything at the moment....to keep things simple, the database is not even in the picture right now! | null | null | 9,667 | 9,667 | null | null | null | null |
9,953 | comment | bootload | 2007-04-07T07:33:37 | null | <i>'... it's actually true. I hate job interviews - they're very artificial and weird ... The YC interview is a conversation that honestly is exhilarating ...'</i><p>excellent, no fear. | null | null | 9,935 | 9,935 | null | null | null | null |
9,954 | comment | pg | 2007-04-07T07:34:47 | null | I don't think the carpet shop played a role. They owned some office space on University Ave, which they rented to startups, including I believe Google and Paypal, and got some warrants as part of the deal. This made them so excited that they decided to try to do more of that. | null | null | 9,741 | 9,738 | null | null | null | null |
9,955 | comment | pg | 2007-04-07T07:41:41 | null | I disagree with one part here. It's not always good to be passionate about your idea.<p>The Zenters happened to be working on a good idea, so we were glad they were psyched about it. When people walk in with a fully-formed idea, we just start the YC process right there-- ok, how do you make the perfect web-based Powerpoint killer? But when a group walks in with a semi-broken idea, which is much more common, the conversation becomes: what good idea can we morph this into? In that case, being passionately attached to your initial idea is not a plus. | null | null | 9,935 | 9,935 | null | [
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9,956 | comment | akkartik | 2007-04-07T07:42:27 | null | Submitting a trivial YC application is no indication of anything. But that's ok, because worrying about sneaky guys is isomorphic to worrying about keeping your idea secret -- sheer overhead. | null | null | 9,951 | 9,917 | null | [
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9,957 | comment | akkartik | 2007-04-07T07:46:03 | null | Nice. I use modd which is very similar.
<a href="http://www.jmknoble.net/fonts">http://www.jmknoble.net/fonts</a> | null | null | 9,842 | 9,841 | null | null | null | null |
9,958 | comment | me_jobs_r_u_woz | 2007-04-07T07:46:47 | null | The user-facing part of the system is currently a VB client app. It's horrendous, but guess what - users love it because it meshes with the rest of their work environment, which is hardware devices connected to their PCs as well as other VB apps. The reason I would like at least one of my co-founders to know VB well is that when migrating this app to a web based equivalent, we want to preserve the essence of what is working. That delicate transplant surgery can be successful only when the team is well versed in web technologies as well as VB. | null | null | 9,943 | 9,786 | null | null | null | null |
9,959 | comment | mukund | 2007-04-07T07:46:53 | null | Need not be. No one cares about idea getting leaked as ideas are dime to a dozen. Its about seeding mis trust by quoting some stupid things by disgruntled elements that worries. One can just go ahead and say YC cheats and give some cock&bull story and thats enough to cover up u r idea. So thats one thing i say about 2 faced / double headed sneaky guys | null | null | 9,956 | 9,917 | null | [
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9,960 | comment | theoutlander | 2007-04-07T07:50:09 | null | null | null | 9,667 | 9,667 | null | null | null | true |
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9,961 | comment | me_jobs_r_u_woz | 2007-04-07T07:50:38 | null | chill, bro...it's just a silly metaphor to grab some attention :-) | null | null | 9,941 | 9,786 | null | null | null | null |
9,962 | comment | gommm | 2007-04-07T08:08:19 | null | Quick reply for architects, well here in japan it's the contrary... Try to find an architect that doesn't use mac based software - you can't. (and even though autodesk tools are nicer than vectorworks....)<p>They are dead in the sense that while they still keep their old monopoly, it's slowly crumbling away...
Files in word format can be read on almost any plateform now (maybe not always perfectly but still good enough) and the file formats for texts or other things will change as people start using new software (web applications).<p>As a matter of fact, you can see the death of microsoft by the fact that it's not a problem to run another platform anymore (in 90% of the cases) and that it becomes more and more easier...<p>It's mostly because microsoft doesn't bring anything new to the table anymore... Before, they didn't really innovate but they often came with really good implementations of good ideas other people had (lotus 1-2-3 - excel, wordstar - word, netscape - internet explorer) and took the market. They don't seem to be able to do this anymore | null | null | 9,775 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,963 | comment | rwalker | 2007-04-07T08:10:42 | null | Good point. There's a fine line between being passionate and being stubborn - I've added a section to the original post to reflect this. | null | null | 9,955 | 9,935 | null | null | null | null |
9,964 | comment | frobot | 2007-04-07T08:10:56 | null | Java used to be my hero, ever since the day I learned it would manage memory for me, while still scaling to the heights demanded by the enterprise.<p>For 10 years, Java was my whole world. Servlets, old EJB, new EJB, JSP, JDBC, Spring, Hibernate, JSF, and all the rest of it. Keeping up with enterprise Java was a chore. I'd learn to program EJB 1 and by the time I finally figured it out, they were pushing EJB 2. Or I'd learn Entity Beans or Struts, only to find nobody was using it anymore. Everything was a confusing mismash of competing APIs, old code, new code, multiple, dogmatic ways of doing the same thing with no good explanation. Finding help with this J2EE crap was a nightmare. Somtimes they'd just repackage or rebrand the same technology for no good reason. Hibernate? EJB3? J2EE? JEE 5? WTF?<p>One day, in spite of my boss's mandate that we were strictly a Java shop, I started to rewrite a struggling project in Ruby on Rails. What an eye-opener. What took months and 5 people now took days and 1 person. Everything I needed was there, but without tons of redundant, repetitive lines of boilerplate code and XML -- and without endless compile-deploy-restart cycles. <p>Today I run Linux servers, program in Ruby, have abandoned JBoss, and use Apache and Mongrel with MySQL databases. I ditched Eclipse in favor of TextMate. I love working with this stuff. I feel truly sorry for people wo are forced to limit themselves to Java technology.<p>(Sorry for the too-obvious, too-easy parody. But I couldn't help myself -- it was the natural response to someone praising the virtues of Java during a discussion about a dying, irrelevant company.) | null | null | 9,938 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,965 | comment | rms | 2007-04-07T08:27:50 | null | One of the problems with our YC interview was that we were overly attached to our idea. The idea was to develop a web based operating system for people that have never used or are uncomfortable with current computers. We had initially envisioned it as a product bundled with hardware but decided we would be unable to finance that, so we'd start with just the software.<p>Of course, the YCs immediately understood that the associated hardware was an important part. They suggested that a good starting point was an "internet picture frame with email." Instead of going with their suggestion, we defended our own.<p>They also spent a lot of the interview comparing our product to yahoo.com which was another direction we didn't think the interview would go.<p>In the end, we were rejected because we didn't have a functioning demo. It was a dumb move on our part, and I would say a demo is an absolute must for the interview. I really regret making it as far as we did and not having a demo. We threw away our opportunity. I've heard that one demo-less team was told at their interview to make a demo in the next 24 hours, so be prepared for a serious test of your ability to get things done if you don't have a demo. Being undergrads didn't help us either. If you're an undergraduate, make it clear to the YCs that you are absolutely committed to starting a company and that you intend to drop out and work on it whether or not you get funding from them.<p>For me, it's all moot because I got myself banned from Y Combinator after I made a really dumb Techcrunch comment. I've burned my bridges, but at least Paul lets me post here. :) One of my partners that didn't go to the interview was reading one of Paul's Lisp books at the time and commented on how surreal it was to be blacklisted by the guy who wrote the book he was reading.<p>When I was younger, I always separated the internet and internet-based friends from the real world. They weren't the same. My internet persona and the real me were different. I've since come to understand that the internet now is the real world. The real world is the internet. My internet persona is me and actions in both worlds truly impact each other.<p>They also had really good drinks and cheese available. I could tell by the cheese labeled with the country of origin that Y Combinator was an amazing company. We waited in a coffee shop because we didn't want to be too early, but I wish we would have gone earlier so we could have talked to more people that were also interviewing. We did got a chance to talk to the Zenter folks and I'm glad they seem to be doing so well.<p>To all YC applicants, I wish you the best of luck and I hope no one else is dumb enough to become a member of the banned from Y Combinator club. | null | null | 9,935 | 9,935 | null | [
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9,966 | comment | mukund | 2007-04-07T08:36:20 | null | oh thanks for the correct info. There was an article that talked about how they owned a carpet shop in silicon valley, during the boom time many new startups went there to get some carpets. AT that time many used to go to the shop to buy carpets, and in the process meet others. This guy also would hang around the biggies and slowly started investing when he saw some potential. But this is what i had read some time back. | null | null | 9,738 | 9,738 | null | null | null | null |
9,967 | comment | neilk | 2007-04-07T08:36:21 | null | Could this have any practical application to software testing? <p>If there is any analogy here, perhaps one could transmute a program into something that crashed or failed more immediately if it was buggy. Of course even if that worked, one might not be able to trace the failure back to an actual line of code; it's not clear that this "smearing" process preserves information like that.
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9,968 | story | JMiao | 2007-04-07T08:37:38 | All I Need To Know To Be A Better Programmer I Learned In Kindergarten | null | http://codist.biit.com/fiche/thecodist/article/all-i-need-to-know-to-be-a-better-programmer-i-learned-in-kindergarten | 5 | null | 9,968 | 2 | [
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9,969 | story | BitGeek | 2007-04-07T08:59:43 | Amazon reveals new web service: Amazon Simple Database | null | http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/eng/299279879.html | 11 | null | 9,969 | 3 | [
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9,970 | comment | BitGeek | 2007-04-07T09:01:43 | null | Its a craigslist job posting, rather than an announcement... but just in case it disappears:<p>
Were looking for an experienced technical expert in highly scalable distributed systems technologies to join our Software Platform group as a Sr. Level Engineer. The engineering team is responsible for the overall design and delivery of all the hard-core technical components that drive SimpleDBs huge multi-tier service-oriented architecture. The product (SimpleDB) is a new product designed to optimize real-time lookup of information for internet applications. As a senior leader in the business, the successful candidate will work closely with Management, Customers, QA, Design, Product Management, and Customer Support to maintain and enhance existing product as well as to develop new products. You will help architect, design, and implement highly scalable distributed infrastructure that has availability, reliability and performance guarantees. Drive server-wide and cross-group initiatives, and be the domain expert. Ivory tower architects need not apply - this is hands on pos!<p>ition where you will be asked to do everything from build rock-solid components to formulate strategy and evangelize technology, lead company-wide architectural changes, mentor other engineers and provide training and support for our supported technologies. You need to not only be a top software developer with an established track record of delivering, but also excel in communication, leadership and customer focus. If you want to test your limits and tackle technical challenges you won't see anywhere else then come join our group<p> <p>Key Responsibilities:<p> <i> Translation of complex functional and technical requirements into detailed architecture and design
</i> Be very hands-on; work with the engineering team to manage the day-to-day development activities by leading architecture decisions, participating in designs, design review, code review, and implementation.
<i> Responsible for the over-all systems architecture, scalability, reliability, and performance.
</i> Help the development team delivery quality applications on-time and on-budget and execution against project plans and delivery commitments
<i> Maintain current technical knowledge to support rapidly changing technology, always on a look out for new technologies and work with management and development team in bringing new technologies.
</i> Candidate must be able to work with a minimum of technical supervision and supplemental engineering support, while responding efficiently to multiple program priorities
<i> Work with engineering teams to design and optimize a wide variety of development projects using a variety of development tools and practices. In addition, the role involves developing shared components and tools, analyzing the latest technologies and development trends, establishing and implementing standard practices as well as training and mentoring other engineers. <p>
QUALIFICATIONS:<p> </i> Bachelors degree or equivalent experience
<i> Excellent verbal and written communication skills
</i> Ability to work well with people and be both highly motivated and motivating
<i> Experience working in a small startup, or venture-funded company highly desirable
</i> Proven results oriented person with a delivery focus.
<i> 10+ year's overall development experience and 7+ year's enterprise software experience.
</i> Strong knowledge of data structures, algorithm, enterprise systems, and asynchronous architectures.
<i> Deep understanding of web services software architectural and design issues.
</i> Effective at architecting complex interactions across several subsystems to resolve real-world issues, articulating the architecture and obtaining buy-in from other teams.
<i> Deep understanding of performance, memory, and I/O, threading.
</i> Solid highly scalable database application design skills
<i> Deep systems-level programming skills in Java/C++.
</i> Experience developing middleware systems and/or distributed system software is preferred
<i> Outstanding adherence to project deadlines and understands the balance between doing it right and getting the job done.
</i> Works well in a team environment and be able to effectively drive cross-team solutions that have complex dependencies and requirements.
<i> Experience of leading the architecture of an open source messaging product is preferred.
</i> Strong technical vision, presentation and technology leadership skills.
<i> Ability to handle multiple competing priorities in a fast-paced environment
</i> Previous demonstrated project management success on similar projects emphasis placed on experience with high-volume web-based applications<p> <p>In joining our team, you'll enjoy a competitive salary, great benefits, a creative and comfortable work environment, and the exciting opportunity to be part of a fast-paced and growing technology company.<p> | null | null | 9,969 | 9,969 | null | null | null | null |
9,971 | comment | BitGeek | 2007-04-07T09:18:26 | null |
I think the path is really very straightforward. Assuming you're a developer, get a job, preferably with a local startup. Live really cheap. Work really hard, save %50 of your gross income. Do this for 6 months to a year and you won't need YC or TS funding.<p>In the evenings and weekends, build your idea. <p>If you've got funding to finish your university degree, then build your idea in your spare time and stay in school. Not as good, but a number of stratups have come out of college started projects (eg: napster, facebook.) <p>The really important thing is not so much your idea, but the skills that will come with trying to make your idea a success.<p>Trying to make it a success and totally failing is much more valuable than getting a job writing enterprise software or staying in school. <p>Assuming you're an engineer, and your idea is a web based one, you don't need money- you don't need investment-- what you need is living expenses. Get that covered and you're in a no lose situation. (Just make sure you have something to show for it if it fails- so that you can use the epxerience to get a job if you need one....)<p> | null | null | 9,916 | 9,915 | null | null | null | null |
9,972 | comment | gms | 2007-04-07T09:18:41 | null | It's worth pointing out that you won't get far without doing the exercises in the book too. In fact, I recommend working through the book and only watching a video lecture if you're unclear on the material.
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9,973 | comment | gms | 2007-04-07T09:21:19 | null | Definitely Monaco (coupled with Carbon Emacs on OS X).
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9,974 | comment | BrandonM | 2007-04-07T09:27:08 | null | If you think that Unix is terrible for client-side, then I don't think you've been working in Linux for long. How about the ability to install any of 20,000 programs from a convenient package/portage/rpm directory for free in seconds? How about updating every single program on your computer, including the OS, and recompiling everything, with one command?<p>And as for programming, whenever I'm working in Visual Studio, I feel like I'm working in Notepad. Honestly, if you take the time to learn the keybindings for vi or emacs (I won't say which, I use both :-), you will find that a much more lightweight program can manage projects just as well, and you can code many times faster.<p>Honestly, it's hard to get away from what you're used to, but immerse yourself in a non-Microsoft environment for a few months (I've been using Unix heavily for less than a year), and you'll realize that Microsoft is the one with the bad interfaces. For years they have been catering to the lowest common denominator. The people who want true control over what they are doing use or write an open source program. | null | null | 9,946 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,975 | comment | BrandonM | 2007-04-07T09:30:44 | null | I did a presentation a few months ago on Microsoft's DRM technology in Vista:
<a href="http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~mintern/601/presentation.pdf">http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~mintern/601/presentation.pdf</a><p>It was when I first read about that and researched it that I realized just how bad it was. It's like the customer isn't even #2 or 3 anymore. It goes something like:<p>1. Money<p>2. Killing competition (including open source)<p>3. Hollywood<p>4. Locking out hobbyists and increasing licensing restrictions<p>...I'm sure I'm missing some...<p>n. Serving the customer | null | null | 9,858 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,976 | story | farmer | 2007-04-07T09:33:00 | Mossberg: Using Even New PCs Is Ruined by a Tangle Of Trial Programs, Ads | null | http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20070405.html | 7 | null | 9,976 | 1 | [
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9,977 | comment | BrandonM | 2007-04-07T09:37:36 | null | If you haven't heard about a free program that does everything that Microsoft Office does and more, then you should really be looking at OpenOffice.<p>1. It's free<p>2. It can read all Microsoft and open formats<p>3. It can export as PDF<p>4. It runs on Windows, Mac, Linux, ... (written in Java I believe)<p>5. It's open source<p>6. Various other features have been added which MS now adds to MS Office in order to catch up (like auto-completion). | null | null | 9,784 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,978 | comment | bobsil1 | 2007-04-07T09:38:07 | null | Remind me which Web-based apps make money again? | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,979 | comment | akkartik | 2007-04-07T09:45:06 | null | Add using favicon picker:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3176 | null | null | 9,599 | 9,595 | null | null | null | null |
9,980 | comment | mattjaynes | 2007-04-07T09:45:41 | null | To anyone else who may not be familiar with the abbreviation Q.E.D. in the post, here's the definition from wikipedia:<p>"Q.E.D. is an abbreviation of the Latin phrase "quod erat demonstrandum" (literally, "which was to be demonstrated"). In simple terms, the use of this Latin phrase is to indicate that something has been definitively proven." | null | null | 9,935 | 9,935 | null | null | null | null |
9,981 | comment | mattjaynes | 2007-04-07T09:46:48 | null | Wow, thanks for sharing that and being so honest about past failures. Rare quality - kudos. | null | null | 9,965 | 9,935 | null | null | null | null |
9,982 | comment | BrandonM | 2007-04-07T09:53:33 | null | I agree that Microsoft is on the decline, but I disagree that web applications will totally replace the desktop. It's still way too convenient to have hundreds of programs a mouse-click away, and to be able to fire up 50 of them at once on new hardware without any lag. It is true, however, that that desktop needn't be Windows anymore.<p>I agree that OS X has been partly responsible for converting people away from Windows, but equally responsible is a growing Linux community. Since Linux came out, it has been slowly gaining some of Microsoft's desktop market share, especially since Gnome and KDE have gotten more polished and Ubuntu made its number 1 bug Microsoft.<p>I was a bit disappointed to see no mention of open source software, because it is not Google Docs that is replacing MS Office, but Open Office. GIMP has been slowly replacing Photoshop since it came out, not Snipshot. Likewise with Firefox overtaking Internet Explorer, Thunderbird being the first to stand in for Outlook, and gcc has been the compiler of choice for years.<p>In summary, I agree that Microsoft is on the decline and that we are seeing software shift to the Internet, but I never think the desktop will go away. The number of desktops running Windows and other Microsoft software, however, is going to continue to decline. It's one thing to offer free software on the Internet alongside Google ads, it's another entirely to be able to install entirely free, ad-free software with no strings attached, which is an opportunity that the open source community has afforded us. | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
9,983 | comment | Tichy | 2007-04-07T09:58:48 | null | Personally, I categorize every application that updates itself as spyware. At the very least, the vendor of the software gets to monitor my habits of using my computer. Also I think this will become hell eventually when all the zillions of applications installed on a typical system try to update themselves after their own fancy.<p>It works so much better in debian/ubuntu, where most update requests go to a central repository. <p>Perhaps it would make sense to at least have one common "updater" component that all applications could use, similar to the way they now all use MS Installer (OK, sorry, I am still stuck with Windows, against my will). That updater component could be configured once, instead of having to configure each application individually. There is also the additional concern of letting applications communicate through a firewall - if I unblock them so they can get their bloody updates, who knows what else they will transmit?
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9,984 | comment | BrandonM | 2007-04-07T10:02:01 | null | Wow, just wow. | null | null | 9,895 | 9,852 | null | null | null | null |
9,985 | comment | theoutlander | 2007-04-07T10:28:21 | null | I do like the ability to install on demand! Why is Windows leading client-side? Because it is easy! I am speaking from an average users perspective. Not us! I have used VI and I love it! Visual Studio is NOT like notepad. I'm sorry but AFAIK, VI or Emacs cannot provide intellisense can it? I have used both environments for development and based on my productivity, I concluded that Windows is a better environment for ME. Ultimately, it is about getting the job done FAST and using what works for you. I have used freeBSD and it is definitely STABLE, but really not something I would like to sit and develop on. Think about the millions of END-USERS??? Windows is really the solution for them... at least for now. Although Windows has its issues, I think Microsoft has improved its product in many ways. Do you realize how hard of a problem it is to solve, making the OS secure and user-friendly at the same time? I like Windows, Redhat and freeBSD... I wish Windows stayed away from the Server market and likewise Redhat stayed away from the client! | null | null | 9,974 | 9,770 | null | [
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9,986 | story | theoutlander | 2007-04-07T10:30:21 | Applicant Demographics: Location, Team size and Age? | null | 8 | null | 9,986 | 27 | [
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9,987 | comment | BrandonM | 2007-04-07T10:30:23 | null | I read about the fallout from that announcement sometime last year. By announcing that they were giving back money to their shareholders, they opened the door for savvy stock market gurus. These guys milked it for all it was worth by first loading up on the stock in order to get the cash from the dividends. Because all these people were buying the stock, its price became artificially inflated, so they proceeded to borrow against the stock at this point (in order to short-sell later). Then the dividends came, and they got the $3/share from Microsoft. Immediately after this, they proceeded to sell the stocks that got them the dividends, which led to the stock price falling sharply. Finally, to round it all out, they proceeded to make good on the short-sells once the stocks were low, leading to a nice profit all-around.<p>I wish I remembered where I read about this scheme; it sounded pretty brilliant to me. I always wondered, though, if a bunch of people playing the stock market profited from this, who lost out? I guess the long-time shareholders and Microsoft, itself. | null | null | 9,908 | 9,908 | null | null | null | null |
9,988 | comment | theoutlander | 2007-04-07T10:33:10 | null | Seattle, 2, [25, 22] | null | null | 9,986 | 9,986 | null | [
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9,989 | comment | jrbedard | 2007-04-07T10:37:56 | null | Los Angeles, 1, 24
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9,990 | story | msgbeepa | 2007-04-07T10:38:48 | Amazing, This Is The Way To Ruin Your Blog :) | null | http://reddit.com/goto?id=1flju | 1 | null | 9,990 | -1 | null | null | true |
9,991 | comment | mattjaynes | 2007-04-07T10:40:43 | null | Wow, this is awesome. Unfortunately it will probably be a good wait before this is built and released to the public.<p>In the meantime, I've been developing a framework using EC2, S3, S3DFS (DFS = Distributed File System) along with SQLite to try and solve the database problem on AWS. <p>S3DFS allows you to mount an S3 bucket to one or multiple EC2 instances as if it were a local filesystem. It works at the block level and has read/write caching - so is very fast. (Note: It's free to use for development, but otherwise requires a paid commercial license.)<p>Since SQLite uses flat files and has no database server or client, it is ideal for use on S3. SQLite only scales well to a point, so to get around its limitations I am separating each user into their own database (each database is a separate flat file). This can sometimes be a bad idea, but SQLite allows you to attach multiple databases together to essentially create a temporary master database where you can run queries across all the user databases at once. This will be handy for search indexing, site-wide stats, etc. In order to change the user databases I will have utilities to allow global scheme alterations.<p>So, by adding EC2 instances that are all attached to the same S3 bucket, and using round-robin dns to distribute traffic among them, you can theoretically scale a web service infinitely. Just launch a new EC2 instance and add it to the round-robin dns pool and you're done! Even that could be automated to respond dynamically to traffic.<p>Imagine the long-term cost-savings from only having to build your app and architecture once and not having to go through a more complex scaling process like this: <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/21793/Scaling-PHPMySQL-Presentation-from-Flickr">http://www.scribd.com/doc/21793/Scaling-PHPMySQL-Presentation-from-Flickr</a><p>Certainly you should only worry about scaling after your app is up and running, but what if you didn't have to ever worry about it? That's the goal of this framework.<p>This is pre-alpha of course and I'm still in the development and experimentation stage, but I wanted to share with the community and get some feedback!<p><a href="http://www.openfount.com/blog/s3dfs-for-ec2">http://www.openfount.com/blog/s3dfs-for-ec2</a><p><a href="http://www.sqlite.org/">http://www.sqlite.org/</a><p><a href="http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AmazonEC2/gsg/2006-06-26/">http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AmazonEC2/gsg/2006-06-26/</a><p><a href="http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AmazonS3/2006-03-01/gsg/">http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AmazonS3/2006-03-01/gsg/</a><p>Update: Since this was so lengthy, I also added it as a post here: <a href="http://blog.nanobeepers.com/2007/04/07/infinitely-scalable-framework-with-aws/">http://blog.nanobeepers.com/2007/04/07/infinitely-scalable-framework-with-aws/</a><p>Update2: Please leave any feedback here: <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=10001">http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=10001</a> | null | null | 9,969 | 9,969 | null | null | null | null |
9,992 | comment | stevecla | 2007-04-07T11:03:59 | null | Micrsoft is very much alive and though Paul makes some great observations about the challenges that lie ahead this discussion seems to be centred on people who want Microsoft to be dead and why Microsoft is such a threat. That's the real challenge...changing years of negative sentiment. That's what I care about
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9,993 | comment | bootload | 2007-04-07T11:08:56 | null | joe gregorio wrote more about this trend ~
<a href="http://bitworking.org/news/158/ETech-07-Summary-Part-2-MegaData,">http://bitworking.org/news/158/ETech-07-Summary-Part-2-MegaData,</a> posted ~ bigdata ~ <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=9483">http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=9483</a>
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9,994 | comment | slk | 2007-04-07T11:11:42 | null | Nice article! Quick question: by Nero, do you mean the Roman emperor, or the CD/DVD burning software?
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9,995 | comment | ecuzzillo | 2007-04-07T11:12:17 | null | IIRC their main issues were threading instability in CMUCL on BSD or mac, which I believe has since been fixed in SBCL. In general, SBCL has come a long way, partly due to companies that use CL (e.g. ITA) funding its development. CL is in many ways much more production-ready than it used to be for that reason. It still has rough spots, but my experience is vastly improved over what it was 1.5 years ago. | null | null | 9,131 | 8,563 | null | null | null | null |
9,996 | story | danw | 2007-04-07T11:16:55 | The Sidebar Syndrome | null | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_sidebar_syndrome.php | 3 | null | 9,996 | 0 | null | null | null |
9,997 | comment | rebecca_d | 2007-04-07T11:19:13 | null | Boston, 3(number of founders:)), 30, 27, 25 | null | null | 9,986 | 9,986 | null | null | null | null |
9,998 | comment | danw | 2007-04-07T11:21:28 | null | Not sure I follow your concern. Are you worried that people could submit articles/comments which are untrue? If so then the voting and wisdom of crowds solves this. | null | null | 9,959 | 9,917 | null | null | null | null |
9,999 | comment | jmd | 2007-04-07T11:22:59 | null | Obvious, but necessary. The most obvious of ideas are often the hardest to articulate.<p>Google seems destined to become the world's most valuable corporation[1]. Who wants to be Pepsi?<p>To compete with Google, copy Google's game plan. Focus on search. Evolve to AI.[2] (An AI is something that can give me a useful answer to my question.) Organize the world's information. Everything else Google does is cover fire.[3]<p>What I'm really asking is, why can't I name a single pure play search company other than Google?<p>[1] Besides oil.<p>[2] <a href="http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dyson05/dyson05_index.html">http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dyson05/dyson05_index.html</a><p>[3] <a href="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000339.html">http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000339.html</a> | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
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