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10,000 | comment | BrandonM | 2007-04-07T11:23:57 | null | I think the article does a good job of conveying what Lisp is to someone who just can't get it. I agree, however, that it is a bit on the verbose side. I think that at least a third of the text could have been removed without taking out any content. Heck, some of the content could have probably been removed without taking away from the point the author is trying to convey.<p>To make the analogy even more succinct, I will first ask you a different question. Have you switched to Firefox? It wasn't long ago that I went from using IE6 to using Firefox. Before too long, between tabs, quick searches, customizable toolbars, incremental page search, and more, I found myself saying, "Wow, this is what browsing should be. How did I ever use IE?" Lisp is the same way.<p>I disagree with the article's conclusion, "Learning Lisp is an uphill battle." If you have a good reference, it is not hard to start programming in Lisp. You could learn Lisp by writing trivial code in about the same amount of time it would take to learn C or Java. In fact, your code would probably be structured in much the same way. Once you've learned enough Lisp, however, and once you get to the chapter on macros (of whatever Lisp reference you're using), something will click. Then you will realize that you have been programming all wrong all along, and you will instantly rewrite everything you've ever done in one red-eyed night. The next morning, you will be reborn.<p>But seriously, if you really want to learn Lisp, drop the $40 (or whatever it costs at the moment) on <i>ANSI Common Lisp</i>; it's a great read. Once you plow through that and are hungry for more, look for <i>On Lisp</i> or <i>Practical Common Lisp</i>; both of them are available online.<p>If it wasn't for my classes with their requirements to program in C++ or Java, I never would have looked back after learning Lisp. I think any good programmer who gives Lisp an honest try will feel the same way. | null | null | 9,661 | 9,661 | null | null | null | null |
10,001 | story | mattjaynes | 2007-04-07T11:31:33 | Infinitely Scalable Framework with Amazon Web Services? | null | http://blog.nanobeepers.com/2007/04/07/infinitely-scalable-framework-with-aws/ | 8 | null | 10,001 | 12 | [
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10,002 | comment | mattjaynes | 2007-04-07T11:34:33 | null | Added this in the hopes of getting some good feedback from the community on this framework I'm developing. <p>The post is derived from this comment: <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=9991">http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=9991</a> | null | null | 10,001 | 10,001 | null | null | null | null |
10,003 | comment | joshwa | 2007-04-07T11:45:21 | null | Kind of like Slashdot's moderation system, where you only have 5 points to use per day. (At least that's how it was 3-4 years ago when I stopped reading /.) | null | null | 9,885 | 9,677 | null | [
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10,004 | comment | Hexayurt | 2007-04-07T11:48:12 | null | Affordable biometric digital ID systems to enable people in the developing world to get loans and other access to capital. <p>No patents.<p>I already more-or-less solved the first round of problems in doing affordable housing for the developing word:<p><a href="http://Appropedia.org/Hexayurt_Project">http://Appropedia.org/Hexayurt_Project</a> - and placed all that work into the public domain. So now it's time to hunt bigger fish.<p>Reality is much, much clearer if you think about the needs of the very, very poor, and the interaction between the shocking arrival of the cellphone and solar panels or the national grid and the basal economic needs of a family.<p>Got the contract from the Federal Govt. to write the papers and prepare a demo of the technology coming next week I'm told, and it'll be going into the public domain shortly thereafter. | null | null | 9,711 | 9,711 | null | null | null | null |
10,005 | comment | mattculbreth | 2007-04-07T11:55:47 | null | This is pretty interesting. I'm not sure I understand what you mean though about separating databases "by user". Could you elaborate on that? How would my application's database change if I were a user of this service? | null | null | 10,001 | 10,001 | null | [
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10,006 | comment | shiv | 2007-04-07T12:00:51 | null | There have been multiple instances when the same grand declarations have been made and Microsoft has only survived and remain dominant.This is just the next cycle of competition.
Microsoft is paranoid enough and this article makes the assumption that they have blinders on and while the move to web etc is happening people at Microsoft are twiddling their thumbs and will say please come and take our business away. Maybe they are in a good position to take advantage of these new paradigms. Of course there is a fight out there but declaring death is premature, significantly challenged, yes.
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10,007 | comment | blader | 2007-04-07T12:02:49 | null | From what I've read of evaluations of S3, the latency of S3 requests seems significant. Significant enough that using S3 as a backend database doesn't seem feasible. Is this true or am I mistaken?
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10,008 | comment | blader | 2007-04-07T12:04:14 | null | I forgot to mention that I think this is fantastic idea. I'm just not sure if it will be able to replace a local mysql cluster. | null | null | 10,007 | 10,001 | null | [
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10,009 | comment | chandrab | 2007-04-07T12:05:49 | null | I think you need to be passionate about your idea at the interview...if your not, who is going to be?
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10,010 | comment | staunch | 2007-04-07T12:09:42 | null | Timestamps and total page views. | null | null | 9,762 | 9,667 | null | [
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10,011 | comment | chris_l | 2007-04-07T12:23:21 | null | So what's next? Shall I make the same joke on you using Common Lisp and the the user named pg can then pull up Arc...? | null | null | 9,964 | 9,770 | null | [
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10,012 | comment | jjrs | 2007-04-07T12:40:55 | null | Excellent post. Not only did you nail the growing feeling that Microsoft is gradually becoming irrelevant, but you gave the best explanation as to why that I've seen anywhere.<p> I think another reason is that younger people are more computer literate and more open to new OS's and software. Mom and Dad were intimidated by computers and just wanted the simplest, most common software (microsoft/IBM), which they'd learned to use at work.
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10,013 | comment | jjrs | 2007-04-07T12:53:00 | null | He basically said that all they have is the desktop...but that even that market is getting chewed away too.<p> microsoft can be getting hit by web apps and competing desktops simultaneously...no contradiction there. He just chose to choose one as a bigger factor than the other, that's all. | null | null | 9,921 | 9,770 | null | [
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10,014 | comment | juwo | 2007-04-07T12:54:08 | null | Here is a piece I wrote:
Java has harmed Unix but helped Windows win
<a href="http://juwo.blogspot.com/2006/11/flatface-musings-java-has-harmed-unix.html">http://juwo.blogspot.com/2006/11/flatface-musings-java-has-harmed-unix.html</a> | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,015 | comment | jjrs | 2007-04-07T12:57:10 | null | It's true...what bright, iconoclastic young thinker applies for a job at microsoft these days? It's a stuffy drone corporate gig, and those are the people that'll gravitate to it. | null | null | 9,875 | 9,770 | null | [
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10,016 | comment | BearOfNH | 2007-04-07T13:02:55 | null | I think Windows Vista (tm) is going to go down in history as the best thing that ever happened to Linux. MS has done the equivalent of pointing the pistol straight at their shoes. <p>"...How about the ability to install any of 20,000 programs from a convenient package/portage/rpm directory for free in seconds?..."<p>Well, I tell you, it's just not that simple. Linux distributions may or may not work. Just yesterday (Friday) I installed Ubuntu Drake (you know, the STABLE version) only to find it boots to ... a command line. No graphical desktop. Command 'startx' unrecognized. Try to install xserver-xorg. It appears to succeed but startx complains about font 'fixed' not found. I Google some forums, they say font directories have moved, but by golly I can't find the new directories the forums mention. I'm not alone, but no further advice is to be found. Just for fun I try to install ubuntu-desktop in the early afternoon only to find the installation grinding on for a couple hours then dying with my network partner disconnecting the logical link. The better part of a day wasted trying what should be a simple installation. Right.<p>If you find Linux installs fine and upgrades painlessly, then I'm happy for you. But don't claim Linux makes MY life any easier. In return, I won't demand support from providers of free software. <p>Maybe MS has the bad interfaces, but they work where others fail. You've got to give them some credit for that. Of course, this can all change with Vista and maybe even XP eventually. And eventually, when XP is bloated with DRM, maybe even Ubuntu will boot my system to a graphical desktop.
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10,017 | comment | mattjaynes | 2007-04-07T13:03:37 | null | Yeah, that's a valid concern. Fortunately the read/write caching that S3DFS provides largely negates that problem. The caching is on the EC2 instance and so <i>should</i> provide great responsiveness to the app. | null | null | 10,007 | 10,001 | null | [
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10,018 | comment | jjrs | 2007-04-07T13:07:33 | null | kind of. look at it from the competitor's end. they can't afford to sell at $5, they'd go under. It's like wal-mart putting mom and pop record stores out of business by selling CDs at cost.<p>
So MS keeps their software standard at colleges, which influences students' buying habits (god forbid they grow accustomed to Mac or Linux and lose their fear of them).<p> | null | null | 9,932 | 9,770 | null | [
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10,019 | comment | mattjaynes | 2007-04-07T13:16:47 | null | Thanks, AWS is amazing and has been super fun to play with. This solution will of course only work for a certain subset of apps. Apps that require more database complexity will not be a good fit for this framework. My apps are typically designed so simply that they could just use a flat-file storage system instead of a db. SQLite is awesome because it provides the flat-file storage, but in a format that allows you to query it like a normal database. The simplicity of that model is amazing and hard for me to resist. I've used mysql clusters in most of the projects while working for companies, but I often found that the added complexity did little for us. My last company hired two database guys with fat salaries just to manage it. My goal with this framework is to really reduce the cost of maintenance, backups, etc. S3 is distributed and so really doesn't need much in the way of backups - but backing up this system is a simple as tar gziping the directory of flat-file databases.<p>
This was interesting from pg's Viaweb FAQ:<p><a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/vwfaq.html">http://www.paulgraham.com/vwfaq.html</a><p>"What database did you use?<p>We didn't use one. We just stored everything in files. The Unix file system is pretty good at not losing your data, especially if you put the files on a Netapp.<p>It is a common mistake to think of Web-based apps as interfaces to databases. Desktop apps aren't just interfaces to databases; why should Web-based apps be any different? The hard part is not where you store the data, but what the software does.<p>While we were doing Viaweb, we took a good deal of heat from pseudo-technical people like VCs and industry analysts for not using a database-- and for using cheap Intel boxes running FreeBSD as servers. But when we were getting bought by Yahoo, we found that they also just stored everything in files-- and all their servers were also cheap Intel boxes running FreeBSD.<p>(During the Bubble, Oracle used to run ads saying that Yahoo ran on Oracle software. I found this hard to believe, so I asked around. It turned out the Yahoo accounting department used Oracle.)" | null | null | 10,008 | 10,001 | null | null | null | null |
10,020 | comment | polibius | 2007-04-07T13:20:25 | null | I agree with you: Microsoft is dead, long ago. However you fail to note that another famous victim of Google, Javascript and broadband is Apple itself.
In fact desktop software in general is dead. Word processing, spreadsheets, e-mail, image editing, project management and many other traditional desktop killer-apps are now offered for free on the web. Let's face it: only professional graphic designers and architects really need the power of Adobe Creative Suite or Autodesk Autocad and, as a consequence, a Windows or Apple machine.<p>How people are coping with this new reality? There are, in my view, two different attitudes. People more sensitive to hype are buying expensive Apple laptops even when they are simply overkill for their real needs. Programmers buying Apple laptops just to run Textmate are similar to fashion victims buying the latest Gucci handbag. Other people are more rational and choose cheap but sound Linux boxes (especially the Ubuntu flavor).<p>I think 90% of computer users can live with Ubuntu without any problem. Of course the desktop software libraries for Linux are very meagre compared to Microsoft and Apple's universes but we've just stated that desktop software is dead: web apps' user experience is the same on every platform. The operating system really doesn't matter. Don't you have other needs to satisfie instead of buying an expensive and useless Apple fashion laptop? Buy a cheap laptop, install Linux and enjoy your life!<p>And what about the business side of the moon? What will happen when companies will suddenly discover they don't longer need desktop software? Companies are more cost-conscious and I assume they will migrate to Linux en masse.
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10,021 | comment | jjrs | 2007-04-07T13:24:04 | null | what are some examples of that? | null | null | 9,937 | 9,770 | null | [
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10,022 | comment | Harj | 2007-04-07T13:24:56 | null | This really is a personal choice. We were lucky with our startup because we got desk space at the Obvious corp building in South Park (Obvious are the guys behind Twitter, Evan Williams et al). It's a fantastic working environment with lots of smart people around and great productive atmosphere.<p>However there were certain days when I actually found myself getting into the zone of productivity just sitting on the couch and working my laptop. If you find yourself in one those zones is it worth breaking it just because you've programmed yourself to think you're more productive in an office/library/wherever? I don't think so.<p>While there are just a couple of you working on your startup, I think you should just work wherever you think you'll be most productive that day. The majority of the time I work at Obvious, sometimes I work on my couch and sometimes in a random coffee shop or bench somewhere nice. I can only do this for so long before we start hiring and then we all need to be in the same place so I may as well make the most of it now.
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10,023 | comment | mattjaynes | 2007-04-07T13:25:08 | null | Sure. Basically each user would have their own database file generated on account creation. Then in your app, instead of doing something like:<p>connectDB("/path/to/db")<p>you would do:<p>connectDB("/path/to/$user/db")<p>Also, if you needed to query all of your users data in aggregate, you would use the 'ATTACH' capability of SQLite to essentially create a master database. Note that you will need to design your scheme appropriately (thoughtful table/column naming, etc) for this to work well. See: <a href="http://www.sqlite.org/lang_attach.html">http://www.sqlite.org/lang_attach.html</a> | null | null | 10,005 | 10,001 | null | null | null | null |
10,024 | comment | fuzzyman | 2007-04-07T13:31:45 | null | I think the death of the desktop is much exaggerated.<p>AJAX is better than the last generation of web-apps, but the browser still basically sucks as a platform. Latency is a bitch. :-)
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10,025 | comment | mattjaynes | 2007-04-07T13:41:40 | null | Wow. Great article. I was going to put a few of my favorite points here, but there are too many :P | null | null | 9,968 | 9,968 | null | null | null | null |
10,026 | comment | niklas72 | 2007-04-07T13:43:09 | null | My problem with this essay is that it could just as well have been written in 1985, 1990, 1995 or 2000. Microsoft has always been slow in responding to new threats. <p>1985: Windows 1.0 was a totally insufficient response to the Macintosh. There were plenty of other Window Managers too, all superior (oops, not Topview, now that was an inferior product). Lotus and Borland is going to kill Microsoft with superior applications.
1990: Microsoft put out Windows 3.0. Still DOS inside. ACE consortium wants to kill Microsoft with Motif.
1995: Netscape is the latest presumptive Microsoft killer, IE is an inferior product. Sun unveils Java, purported Microsoft killer. Windows 95 looks nice, still very much DOS at heart.
Constant refrain during the latter 90's: Desktop Linux is going to kill Microsoft...
2000- The Web/Sony is going to kill Microsoft.<p>And it's not like the cool kids ran Microsoft products in 1990 or 1995 either. The tastes of an elite doesn't necessarily reflect the future of the broader market.As long as Apple won't let you run OSX on non-Apple hardware it can't be anything but a niche product.<p>Sure, Microsoft is vulnerable, but so is Google or Apple or any other company in this business. I don't know why Microsoft are underestimated so often, it might be that we root so much for the underdog that we fail to see what the big meanies strengths are.
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10,027 | comment | mattjaynes | 2007-04-07T13:43:35 | null | Bay Area (SF,PA), 2, [31, 27] | null | null | 9,986 | 9,986 | null | null | null | null |
10,028 | story | amichail | 2007-04-07T13:45:11 | justin.tv as a way to interview people for jobs | null | 1 | null | 10,028 | 2 | [
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10,029 | comment | amichail | 2007-04-07T13:45:36 | null | Would you broadcast your life for a chance at getting a job?<p>From an employer's perspective, this would be an excellent opportunity to really know employee candidates. The employer will see what they are like on a day to day basis -- both on professional and personal levels.<p>Moreover, the broadcast could include what's on the candidate's computer screen. This would be a good way to evaluate their coding ability and see how easily they get distracted by email, social apps, etc. for example.<p>Such a life broadcast might be an open-ended job interview with no particular employer in mind.
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10,030 | comment | busy_beaver | 2007-04-07T13:49:10 | null | There's a guy working on a MySQL storage engine that uses S3:<p><a href="http://fallenpegasus.livejournal.com/tag/s3">http://fallenpegasus.livejournal.com/tag/s3</a><p>It's still at a very early stage in terms of implemented features, but he seems to be moving forward rapidly.<p>I have no idea what kind of performance he's getting -- I'm planning to check out the MySQL source sometime next week and do a test build. Extremely cool idea. :-)<p> | null | null | 10,008 | 10,001 | null | null | null | null |
10,031 | comment | randallsquared | 2007-04-07T14:02:15 | null | Columbus, GA area; 2; 33, 27 | null | null | 9,986 | 9,986 | null | [
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10,032 | comment | bitdiddle | 2007-04-07T14:05:16 | null | This is a take off on a talk I heard years ago about networking | null | null | 9,968 | 9,968 | null | null | null | null |
10,033 | comment | blader | 2007-04-07T14:11:59 | null | San Diego, CA; 2; 23, 23 | null | null | 9,986 | 9,986 | null | null | null | null |
10,034 | story | blader | 2007-04-07T14:13:24 | Web Design is 95% Typography | null | http://www.informationarchitects.jp/the-web-is-all-about-typography-period | 12 | null | 10,034 | 16 | [
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10,035 | comment | blader | 2007-04-07T14:13:39 | null | Part II: <a href="http://www.informationarchitects.jp/webdesign-is-95-typography-partii">http://www.informationarchitects.jp/webdesign-is-95-typography-partii</a> | null | null | 10,034 | 10,034 | null | null | null | null |
10,036 | comment | blader | 2007-04-07T14:14:16 | null | I also recommend the rest of the articles in their "IA Notebook" on design questions of all kinds: <a href="http://www.informationarchitects.jp/ia-notebook">http://www.informationarchitects.jp/ia-notebook</a> | null | null | 10,034 | 10,034 | null | [
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10,037 | comment | rasputnik | 2007-04-07T14:14:35 | null | People would keep using their browser.<p>That sort of trick used to work, once, when we all got our software off CDs on the cover of magazines. Firefox is a small download now. They won't try it twice. | null | null | 9,827 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,038 | comment | rasputnik | 2007-04-07T14:15:20 | null | For 80% of us, that 20% will do. | null | null | 9,784 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,039 | story | nonrecursive | 2007-04-07T14:17:32 | Good to Great: The Hedgehog Concept | null | http://www.jimcollins.com/lab/hedgehog/ | 1 | null | 10,039 | 1 | [
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10,040 | comment | busy_beaver | 2007-04-07T14:21:27 | null | That's a great looking font --- elegant, but still LEGIBLE. <p>I found the download page here:<p><a href="http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html">http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html</a>
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10,041 | comment | blader | 2007-04-07T14:22:33 | null | I was thinking more of the latency involved in making the roundtrip request from the app server to S3, which is probably on the order of tenths of a second. It would force you to rely heavily on a local memcached to achieve acceptable performance (which is probably a good thing anyway).<p>I'm reminded of a conversation with Facebook's CTO at Startup School, and he mentioned that they experimented with S3 for their photo hosting, but the latency of loading images from S3 made it unacceptable by their performance standards. | null | null | 10,017 | 10,001 | null | [
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10,042 | comment | artsnooze | 2007-04-07T14:27:23 | null | <p>
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10,043 | story | amichail | 2007-04-07T14:28:42 | Karl Sims' Evolved Virtual Creatures (old but still very cool!) | null | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0OHycypSG8 | 4 | null | 10,043 | 2 | [
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10,044 | comment | rsheridan6 | 2007-04-07T14:28:50 | null | I wouldn't count them out just yet. It's true that they can't kill a web 2.0 businesses like youtube the way they could kill desktop-based competitors in the past, but don't forget that the browser itself is a desktop-based app.<p>If I controlled MS, I would try to develop a better platform for web apps than Firefox (which is definitely possible). I'd use patent-encumbered APIs, which I would share while trying to build market share, and then force my competitors to stop using once they were entrenched. Maybe somebody smarter than me could come up with a better idea, but the point is that it's probably still possible for them to leverage their OS near-monopoly into a web near-monopoly.<p>It would have been far easier for them if they had started earlier. Firefox would have been easy to kill 3 or 4 years ago. But MSFT has so much money and such a large installed base that they can get away with a lot of screw ups before they really cease to be a threat.<p>I agree that, for the time being, entrepreneurs don't really have to worry about MS. But they're not really dead. They're just comatose. | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,045 | comment | amichail | 2007-04-07T14:29:37 | null | You can see how this was done here:<p><a href="http://web.genarts.com/karl/evolved-virtual-creatures.html">http://web.genarts.com/karl/evolved-virtual-creatures.html</a><p>Karl has done lots of other cool stuff btw:<p><a href="http://web.genarts.com/karl/">http://web.genarts.com/karl/</a> | null | null | 10,043 | 10,043 | null | null | null | null |
10,046 | story | nonrecursive | 2007-04-07T14:32:48 | Good to Great: Level 5 Leadership (the kind of people who were turn good companies into great ones) | null | http://www.jimcollins.com/lab/level5/index.html | 1 | null | 10,046 | 0 | null | null | null |
10,047 | story | amichail | 2007-04-07T14:33:40 | Aspect-Oriented Programming: Radical Research in Modularity | null | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8566923311315412414 | 1 | null | 10,047 | 1 | [
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10,048 | story | amichail | 2007-04-07T14:37:22 | Intentional Programming demo (did intentional programming inspire Eclipse?) | null | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSnnfUj1XCQ | 1 | null | 10,048 | 2 | [
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10,049 | comment | amichail | 2007-04-07T14:37:57 | null | Part 2 is here:<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZDwB4-DPXE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZDwB4-DPXE</a> | null | null | 10,048 | 10,048 | null | null | null | null |
10,050 | comment | busy_beaver | 2007-04-07T14:38:22 | null | In 1925, the British Empire controlled 25% of the earth's surface, but it was dead nonetheless.<p> | null | null | 9,775 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,051 | comment | gwint | 2007-04-07T14:38:28 | null | Photoshop itself will soon have an online version:
<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-7345_3-6163015.html">http://news.com.com/2100-7345_3-6163015.html</a>
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10,052 | comment | amichail | 2007-04-07T14:40:55 | null | Aspect-Oriented Design Pattern Implementations<p><a href="http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~jan/AODPs/">http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~jan/AODPs/</a><p>Aspect-Oriented Refactoring (check out the wormhole refactoring in part 2)<p><a href="http://www.theserverside.com/tt/articles/article.tss?l=AspectOrientedRefactoringPart1">http://www.theserverside.com/tt/articles/article.tss?l=AspectOrientedRefactoringPart1</a><p><a href="http://www.theserverside.com/tt/articles/article.tss?l=AspectOrientedRefactoringPart2">http://www.theserverside.com/tt/articles/article.tss?l=AspectOrientedRefactoringPart2</a>
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10,053 | comment | amichail | 2007-04-07T14:41:51 | null | Can we apply this idea to other domains such as web search? | null | null | 10,048 | 10,048 | null | null | null | null |
10,054 | story | raganwald | 2007-04-07T14:43:57 | A Venture Capitalist passes away peacefully, and... | null | http://weblog.raganwald.com/2007/04/venture-capitalist-passes-away.html | 22 | null | 10,054 | 9 | [
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10,055 | comment | raganwald | 2007-04-07T14:45:22 | null | I rarely write anything with a specific audience in mind, but I confess I was looking through my "logs" and noticed how much traffic I have been getting lately from news.ycombinator.com.<p>This is my way of saying, "thanks!" I hope you enjoy it. | null | null | 10,054 | 10,054 | null | null | null | null |
10,056 | comment | atanas | 2007-04-07T14:49:20 | null | It is a cultural shift that will bury Microsoft. Much like the Walmart distribution deal killed Levi's as a brand.
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10,057 | comment | joshwa | 2007-04-07T15:18:28 | null | {location:'nyc', teamsize:2, ages:(25,33)} | null | null | 9,986 | 9,986 | null | null | null | null |
10,058 | comment | dpapathanasiou | 2007-04-07T15:27:16 | null | That's exactly what made the Graham essays (pre-YC) so compelling: this wasn't someone with a vested interest, just an astute observer making comments few others were.<p>Blurring that line is a mistake. | null | null | 9,839 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,059 | comment | morlock_man | 2007-04-07T15:35:33 | null | Microsoft isn't dead. They're still killing startups. There was a perfect DRM model evolving that would have killed Major Record labels while saving the local music stores... and Microsoft killed it with Windows Media Player updates and Vista.<p>What's sad is that now they've fallen below everyone's radar. Which makes it that much easier to get away with shit like this.
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10,060 | comment | pyite | 2007-04-07T15:47:09 | null | I somewhat agree with you.<p>However, it is obvious that hardware vendors still fear Microsoft. The day that they stop fearing Microsoft is the day that just about every PC will have the option of either Windows or Linux.<p>Last time a company tried something like this was IBM in the mid-90's and Microsoft made quite an example of them by increasing their annual Windows licensing charge by $200 million.<p> | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,061 | comment | Elfan | 2007-04-07T15:47:27 | null | But is it unsucky enough in a "worse is better" sort of way? | null | null | 10,024 | 9,770 | null | [
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10,062 | comment | marksashton | 2007-04-07T15:52:11 | null | It's intersting that you highlight GMAIL as the point where Google became scary. If anthing, GMAIL is another example of how Google's efforts outside of Search have largely failed...at least by the standard they set with Search. I used tried to find the latest marketshare numbers using Google but could't find anything current :) but as of the middle of last year they had about 2% of the Web mail market. Hmmm... Huge success? <p>I think their only real succcess outside of Search is mapping but even there they're trailing Microsoft (local.live.com) in innovation. Check out the 45 degree angle photos on local.live.com if you don't believe me.
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10,063 | comment | pablos | 2007-04-07T15:52:14 | null | Nice text. Did you take your medicines today ?
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10,064 | comment | randallsquared | 2007-04-07T15:52:22 | null | Oh, no problem. I thought that more people would notice that it's lifted directly from the article. On the other hand, I guess it's quite possible that it isn't funny. :) | null | null | 9,886 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,065 | comment | Elfan | 2007-04-07T15:52:25 | null | Maybe there arn't any wizardly hackers applying for a job at Microsoft , but there are smart people interested in a steady pay check. | null | null | 10,015 | 9,770 | null | [
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10,066 | comment | justified | 2007-04-07T15:58:45 | null | Please let's continue not to care about Mikrosopht (sorry, I don't recall the correct spelling, and I'm no slave of internet search either, but to me it sounds much antique, so I hope my guess is right...).<p>Instead, people of worth, let's help pushing stuff like this:
<a href="http://www.cs.stevens.edu/~dlong/software/kamen/index.php">http://www.cs.stevens.edu/~dlong/software/kamen/index.php</a>
(Note that I'm not the author, just heard of it recently.) | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,067 | comment | mrpostmaster | 2007-04-07T15:59:57 | null | Well, you said Apple's board made a mistake - however, I think it was a necessary move. If you think about all the great movements in the history of mankind, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammad, Moses, etc, all of them had to be kicked out, suffer in the desert, receive enlightenment/burning bushes/next/pixar and then come on back as the conquering hero. Would Jobs be as good as he is now, if he didn't do Next and Pixar? Maybe, maybe not.<p>-Tai | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,068 | comment | raganwald | 2007-04-07T16:06:29 | null | If PG has something worthwhile to say, it is true whether he has a vested interested in the truth or not. If it is false, it can be debunked without questioning his motives.<p>Here is what I have observed about people. In general, people with vested interests do not lie. What they do is pick and choose the truths they want to share.<p>So someone with an investment in an online photo editor might say that "people are now writing online photo editing applications," but is unlikely to say, "that are faster and have more features than Photoshop."<p>Is that bad? Of course not. There are this other group of people with no alleged interest in the subject. They are called journalists. And you know what? My observation is that they are much less reliable than peopel with a "vested interest." | null | null | 9,839 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,069 | comment | mrpostmaster | 2007-04-07T16:07:56 | null | No, he is not saying microsoft is vulnerable, but that no one fears microsoft any more. In the past, if you were trying to get VC money, one of the questions they would ask you is - why should I fund you? Can't Microsoft do this?<p>That question is not asked today, even as a few years back. I was trying to get a patch management company going, and that 8 or so VCs I met didn't even asked if this is something Microsoft would get into.<p>And from what I understand, today's questions are more along the lines of - how can you beat google.<p>-Tai | null | null | 10,026 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,070 | comment | jaed | 2007-04-07T16:08:20 | null | Boston, 2, 22, 22
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10,071 | story | farmer | 2007-04-07T16:09:41 | Loopster: all your friends in one place | null | http://loopster.com/ | 4 | null | 10,071 | 4 | [
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10,072 | comment | mrpostmaster | 2007-04-07T16:11:36 | null | Anything that Microsoft perceives itself to be bad at, and wants to be better at.<p>1) xbox (though, at this point it has not really been adsorbed back in yet)
2) IE
3) MS Office
4) MS Windows
5) MS-DOS
6) Hotmail | null | null | 10,021 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,073 | comment | raganwald | 2007-04-07T16:12:46 | null | Yes. That's how this industry works: everything closed, expensive, and exclusive inexorably becomes open, cheap or even free, and inclusive.
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10,074 | comment | fryke | 2007-04-07T16:12:50 | null | old news. (just wanted to be young again.)
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10,075 | story | juwo | 2007-04-07T16:12:53 | Is a business-type cofounder necessary for a startup to succeed? | null | 3 | null | 10,075 | 7 | [
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10,076 | comment | teddlesruss | 2007-04-07T16:20:28 | null | dunno which place you pulled the Mac/Linux observation from but I can assure you that finally Microshaft are actually getting it right, and company IT departments are finally realising that TCO and facilities is tipped in MS's favour. I would thus say that your observation comes from clique formation, and perhaps doesn't reflect the overall industry. I freelance IT for organisations which go all the way from accountancy firms, to car sales chains, market chains, Art and Commercial offices, and realtime tracking/monitoring of heavy equipment. Out of all those (and there are often several under each heading,)I visit one Citrix office but they are going to Terminal Server ASAP. One company is busily switching from OSS server structures to Windows 2003 Servers. Cannot argue with it - MS often comes out cheaper, there is definitely more skill in the arena than there is skill in the Linux / OSX area, and tens of thousands of users still want a cute Window Start button. Out of some 20 businesses I do on demand IT for, one - only one - is a Mac shop, and a shambles it is too. They are graphics artists. One shop has custom boxes at the mineface talking to Windows 2003 Servers back at the office. One uses their own proprietary Application between mobile trucks and huge Wintel servers. The other 18 are MS shops doing everything from running fish markets all over town on RDP links, to monitoring, to aerial surveying, to good old accountancy under a wall to wall Windows environment. I see Linux boxes as routers and firewalls, Macs as the liberal arts students' foolproof workstation. Everyone I work for who is serious, runs Wintel machines. And I work across a wide sector of a fairly large city.
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10,077 | story | divia | 2007-04-07T16:22:55 | Mac OS X Server Free with Mac Pro? | null | http://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/06/mac-os-x-server-free-with-mac-pro/ | 3 | null | 10,077 | 0 | null | null | null |
10,078 | comment | rickt287 | 2007-04-07T16:24:50 | null | MS isn't dead. People aren't afraid, but have accepted the reality of them being who they are. Just like oppressive governments; eventually they beat you down so much that you stop caring and just accept it.The fact that articles still bash them proves who is top dog. To quote a famous line,
"...we're better than you"
"...it doesn't matter..."<p>RT
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10,079 | comment | poopstech | 2007-04-07T16:25:02 | null | Nice "Essay". I also bet that you dream in complete Eastman Color as well, right?
MS is to big - too powerful and has it's hands in too many things to simply "die"! I read somewhere that if MS decided to pay off all the share holders and close its doors tomorrow, may western governments have to scramble to hire all the MS staff just to maintain the status quoi!
As I guessed - you do dream in color...<p>PooPsTech
Sr. Software Eng. | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,080 | comment | jsjenkins168 | 2007-04-07T16:31:04 | null | This is the most valuable advice I've seen on YC News yet. Good luck rms on your startup pursuits. I think you definitely have the right attitude.. <p>Dont know if we got an interview yet but we will start hardcore development of a demo right now. | null | null | 9,965 | 9,935 | null | null | null | null |
10,081 | story | randallsquared | 2007-04-07T16:32:57 | Anyone else gotten a "We regret to inform you" from techstars yet? | null | 2 | null | 10,081 | 7 | [
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10,082 | comment | MikeLevin | 2007-04-07T16:33:49 | null | Yeah, the reason this is going to take so long to shake out is that there can be only one dominant platform. And Microsoft is it. The Web interface even with Ajax is still kludgey in comparison. And things like Apollo from Adobe will take a long time to reach critical mass. The only thing I see chaniging the platform are endeavors like Nick Negroponte's one laptop per child (OLPC), which will force down hardware costs until it's eventually completely off-set by advertising. When PCs are free, a major platform shift can occur. Steve tried to get OSX on OLPC and was rebuffed by Nick, from what I hear. | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,083 | comment | randallsquared | 2007-04-07T16:34:33 | null | We got ours yesterday. <p>At least it removes the problem of deciding what to do if accepted by TS and invited to an interview by YC. :) | null | null | 10,081 | 10,081 | null | [
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10,084 | comment | randallsquared | 2007-04-07T16:38:50 | null | Clearly not <i>necessary</i>, since the list of startups without such a person as a founder is long. | null | null | 10,075 | 10,075 | null | null | null | null |
10,085 | comment | blabla | 2007-04-07T16:39:17 | null | Hahahahaha.<p>What are you trying to do? Apply the John Dvorak method to Microsoft? <p>I can't seem to find any other way to account for that accumulation of the absurdest possible statements that this "essay" essentially is.<p>BTW: I suppose I am in the younger half. | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | [
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10,086 | story | dawie | 2007-04-07T16:39:58 | Upgrading your customers to paying plans... all you gotta do is ask! | null | http://www.centernetworks.com/upgrading-your-customers-to-paying-plans-all-you-gotta-do-is-ask | 8 | null | 10,086 | 0 | null | null | null |
10,087 | comment | blabla | 2007-04-07T16:40:40 | null | <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2kwrbo">http://tinyurl.com/2kwrbo</a> | null | null | 10,085 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,088 | comment | wanderson | 2007-04-07T16:41:21 | null | Your story maybe correct, but I would not bet on majority of Americans supporting the theory, simply because Microsoft "remains" the largest, independent software company.
I will laugh beforehand at all the comments from Microsoft supporters, shills and apologists. They will inevitably content that because Microsoft products - Windows and Office have the "most market share" by far, they (automatically) are the best and bravest. Pretty sic thinking, but that which proliferates.
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10,089 | comment | wanderson | 2007-04-07T16:46:15 | null | Your story maybe true, but probably unacceptable by most all the Microsoft supporters, shills and apologists, who content quite proudly that because Microsoft products, primarily Windows and Office have the "largest market share by far", the company is therefore the best, with the greatest products. Quite sick thinking really, but pervasive and illogical. I wonder if these same group think GM is the greatest car company compared to Honda, simply because of the disparate market share. Never mind the issues of quality, reliability, creativity or other important criteria. | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,090 | comment | zkinion | 2007-04-07T16:46:17 | null | I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody tries to make a "shell" that allows one at least semi-functionality across several different social networking/blogging sites. <p>It'll be successful as long as they can get a decent operating ability [can post as well as read "updates"], with out quickly being blocked by the sites themselves. Once the servers are kept away from the social networking sites, they must continually get new blocks of IP addresses to leach out the content, which really isn't all that hard. <p>(There's no magical javascript that will let the user's browser load what part of those site that you want. Normally the server goes in on the back end and acts like a proxy, spitting out content to a different interface. I always thought this approach wouldn't work for long without the social networking sites eventually blocking the servers, but then again, look at how meebo did it with all the messaging clients, and didn't get blocked.)<p>This is based off of the idea that many people will be members of several social networking sites at once. This notion of "facebook will have more users than myspace" doesn't mean that the users are completely different people. The majority of the users will be on both. I myself have a facebook and a myspace. Most of my friends just stay on myspace, so I find myself logging into both sites all the time. <p>I bet this will work. :)
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10,091 | comment | leoderja | 2007-04-07T16:48:33 | null | Bill Gates a bigger hero that Alexander Magnus.
HE is the way...
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10,092 | comment | mikev | 2007-04-07T16:50:36 | null | You say: "Ironically, Microsoft unintentionally helped create Ajax. The x in Ajax is from the XMLHttpRequest object, which lets the browser communicate with the server in the background while displaying a page. (Originally the only way to communicate with the server was to ask for a new page.) XMLHttpRequest was created by Microsoft in the late 90s because they needed it for Outlook. What they didn't realize was that it would be useful to a lot of other people tooÂin fact, to anyone who wanted to make web apps work like desktop ones."<p>I think that's slightly off -- I think the folks who designed XMLHttpRequest fully understood its general utility. I think they're thrilled that lots of really interesting apps are being built on top of it. I think the problem was that the people writing apps at Microsoft didn't realize you could now use this to write compelling web-based apps. | null | null | 9,770 | 9,770 | null | null | null | null |
10,093 | comment | zkinion | 2007-04-07T16:53:08 | null | "business-type" and having a Jobs to match against a Woz are two completely different things. <p>Business type qualities can be shared across several non-business types easily. When you see startups without the business type succeeding, its because it is there amongst all of the co-founders, inside of them. <p> | null | null | 10,075 | 10,075 | null | null | null | null |
10,094 | comment | nivi | 2007-04-07T16:58:59 | null | I made this screencast for Songbird: <a href="http://songbirdnest.com/screencast">http://songbirdnest.com/screencast</a><p>I thought it was pretty decent. I tried to make it fast and to-the-point and respectful of the viewer's time.
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10,095 | comment | jetforme | 2007-04-07T17:18:35 | null | I think there's one more cause of death, tangentially related to "everyone can see the desktop is over." It is the reason Microsoft did so well in the first place: people will use seemingly arbitrarily bad software. Even with Ajax, the best web applications still fall far short of the best desktop applications. I guess even Microsoft underestimated users' ability (and willingness) to adapt to constrained or poorly-designed software, and thus use (relatively great) web software.<p>As a born-and-raised Mac user, I still think web apps suck, and for that matter, most Mac apps suck. But the few gems out there are phenomenal (or at least, approach the standard I hold). I wish more apps worked as well.
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10,096 | comment | jey | 2007-04-07T17:18:42 | null | Mountain View, CA (bay area)
2
21, 23
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10,097 | comment | henning | 2007-04-07T17:19:03 | null | I thought Steve Jobs's NeXT demo from 1992-1993 was pretty impressive. <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=j02b8Fuz73A">http://youtube.com/watch?v=j02b8Fuz73A</a><p>It certainly would have seemed space-age in 1992. | null | null | 9,852 | 9,852 | null | null | null | null |
10,098 | comment | timg | 2007-04-07T17:22:03 | null | I always had the impression that most of the networking sites forbade this. Well, sounds good if not. | null | null | 10,071 | 10,071 | null | null | null | null |
10,099 | comment | zkinion | 2007-04-07T17:30:08 | null | You might get alot greater response with some kind of presentation/video/plan on what you actually want to accomplish. <p><p> | null | null | 9,786 | 9,786 | null | [
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