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vlad
2007-04-17T01:33:40
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I agree with everything in this post. Also, stage acting gives you something very other things do--working together, face to face, with other people on a common problem. Helping each other, giving advice, and also being responsible for your own performance. What other activity does this?
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whacked_new
2007-04-17T01:35:15
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This curiously reminds of "You and Your Research" posted here yesterday: <a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/hamming.html">http://www.paulgraham.com/hamming.html</a><p>The Nobel Prize committee, for instance, has to pick a handful prizewinners out of hundreds of first-class scientists. The ones that don't get picked are still first-class, but if the "Nobel Prize Effect" holds true, the ones that do receive the prize are the ones who don't sustain first-class work.<p>Of course this works differently for a sports team, because the feedback of your efforts are more or less immediate (from game winnings). But for things like startups then, if we really digest both these articles, I'd say the Nobel Prize analogy holds better. The ones who experience failure, or a lack of success, and obstinately jab at their problems, will still make a big kill. And the rejects are always far more numerous. For every Nobelist, there are probably a thousand others doing comparable work.<p>I once met a scientist who was considered Nobel-worthy. He came off mostly as a grumpy old man though, because he kept lamenting how his classmate got one but he didn't. If I was half as intelligent as him I would be doing cutting edge research as a hobby! Perhaps the world is better now that he didn't get the prize.
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zaidf
2007-04-17T01:37:20
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This is awesome and very close to our philosophy.<p>-Zaid
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pg
2007-04-17T01:49:57
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This is why I used picking an athletic team as an example. This is true with athletes, and I didn't want to blur together ordinary bad judgement with the specific kind of harmless miss that happens near the cutoff point.
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amichail
2007-04-17T01:55:59
Is an official "launch" necessary to get popular bloggers to write about your startup?
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timg
2007-04-17T01:56:40
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The ease with which libraries can be used appears to be the only metric that matters in high level languages.
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amichail
2007-04-17T01:58:27
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With web apps, concepts such as "launch" and "beta" are pretty nebulous. Web apps are being improved and changed all the time and it's not clear when you might consider something a "launch" and/or a "beta".<p>On a related note, what does it mean for a startup to have "failed"? What if the founders make major changes and pursue a different direction? Is that considered a failure? How do you separate one startup attempt from another? Is it even important to do so?<p>It seems strange that bloggers like to label things like this when it does not even appear necessary or easy.
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vlad
2007-04-17T02:07:46
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Great post. The point of my post is that I don't think there are two specific categories of judgement, where in one you appeal, and in the other, you don't. Reversing a rejection to 1 or 2 or 3 extra colleges, since you already paid the application fee, could be worth it. That's just one example. I'm not disagreeing with Paul' overall message, I just think the examples are very bad. I think sending a letter of appeal could be worth it in a lot of cases if the trade-off or risk-reward is worth it.
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Goladus
2007-04-17T02:14:13
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I'm sorry if I misunderstood the post you originally made.
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budu3
2007-04-17T02:15:41
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Check out OpenMoko <a href="http://openmoko.com/press/index.html.">http://openmoko.com/press/index.html.</a> I think most phone companies have a vested interest in keeping their phones closed but OpenMoko might be a good alternative. It might be the 'firefox' of mobile phones.
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omouse
2007-04-17T02:17:05
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They fail if they lose almost all their users. They also fail if the company goes bankrupt.<p>Am I close?
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amichail
2007-04-17T02:18:51
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What if there's a major change in direction yet they retain some of their users?
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jason13
2007-04-17T02:21:47
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I agree with you people should not feel bad personally when they do not make the "cut". But when people do feel bad about not making the cut...they usually are not thinking "I should have been judged as #499 instead of #501". They are more likely thinking, "I am way better than #500".
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dawie
2007-04-17T02:22:36
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Just buy an iPhone
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usablecontent
2007-04-17T02:22:38
Google Partners With Clear Channel To Serve Audio Ads
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ecuzzillo
2007-04-17T02:35:54
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Seems like the data is insufficient to talk about them dying, too: You've been going for 1.85 years, so even if the survival rate weren't particularly higher for year-old startups, the ones that have died so far would still be mostly younger than a year.
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Alex3917
2007-04-17T02:41:07
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Really any extracurricular activity is good.<p>If you want to learn how to manage a billion dollar company, go to business school. If you want to learn how to start a billion dollar company with only 300 bucks in the bank and a seven year old laptop, join the rowing team.
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Goladus
2007-04-17T02:42:40
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I only ever cringed at the idea of giving away music for free out of the fear that it would be stolen. I don't mean pirated, I mean I was afraid that a company would steal my copyright and claim it as their own.<p>
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mauricecheeks
2007-04-17T02:45:18
quick question: where do you go for product reviews?
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randallsquared
2007-04-17T02:46:13
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Twitter, apparently.
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johnm
2007-04-17T02:54:42
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Yes.<p>What's the question? :-)
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usablecontent
2007-04-17T03:01:08
Microsoft Launches Silverlight, Takes Aim at Adobe's Flash
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mauricecheeks
2007-04-17T03:07:06
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probably making something cool that people like is necessary to get popular bloggers to write about you
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amichail
2007-04-17T03:10:28
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Yes, but that does not answer my question.
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rokhayakebe
2007-04-17T03:14:34
Didn't make it to YC? Check this one from TechCrunch.
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zeph
2007-04-17T03:15:00
Is platform selection premature optimisation?
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prakster
2007-04-17T03:24:42
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This event is quite different from YC. It's for VC / Preferred Stock funding, not the true seed / Common Stock funding provided by YC. As you can see, the main sponsor is Sequoia.
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rokhayakebe
2007-04-17T03:31:06
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Ok. this is not about funding, but it sure can get you more funding then you would want. The point is if you have a great product this launch pad could help you get tremendous attention.
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zkinion
2007-04-17T03:40:15
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The main way to do this involves hacking/cracking firmware. Go onto p2p and you'll find ready made images for a variety of phones. However, it is a painful process for each phone, and phone model type. You're basically working on many to get one, instead of working on one for many.
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zaidf
2007-04-17T03:42:41
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Fail/succeed is a VERY relative term.<p>In fact, fail is a very decieving word. I like to classify a lot of my previous sites as failures--but in many ways, considering the small amount of time I put into them and the huge lessons I learned, I can easily consider it a success.<p>Best way to get blogger coverage is to have something that is focused and highlights your KEY feature. For example, we are a music site so first thing we want to serve is GREAT MUSIC -- NOT social networking features. Now that we have a stable base of users and increasing, we can add more features. If we added those general social networking features at the beginning, it would dilute the main function of the site and be classified as yet another social network.<p>I suggest you have a launch date. For us it helped us feel internally hyped. It also means you will hold yourself to some quality standard if you do planned releases rather than code as you go. Do few things, do it REALLY well. That is my new mantra - there are so many sites at the moment trying to do so many things at once.
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prakster
2007-04-17T03:45:10
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True.
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gibsonf1
2007-04-17T03:45:15
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Cnet Reviews: <a href="http://reviews.cnet.com/?tag=hd_ts">http://reviews.cnet.com/?tag=hd_ts</a>
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pg
2007-04-17T03:52:23
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The fact that startups don't have to pay to demo is a significant improvement over similar events. That pay-to-demo mentality is left over from the overfunded startups of the Bubble.
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pg
2007-04-17T03:54:10
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Argh, this whole common/preferred stock thing is really a side issue. It's not the distinctive feature of seed funding or a significant benefit of YC.
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shiro
2007-04-17T04:03:43
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I see. I understood the original article's two categories maps to the case whether those "random factors" exists or not; I'm not familiar with school admission process in US, so I don't know if that particular example is good or bad.
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omouse
2007-04-17T04:06:28
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Crap, the question is are they any good? I gotta cut down on the coffee...
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dawie
2007-04-17T04:06:46
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You want to fail as quickly as possible. Startups are like dating. If its not going to work out you want it to bomb quickly, so you don't waste your time and so you can move on to the next one...
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gyro_robo
2007-04-17T04:07:10
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See my top-level post.
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dawie
2007-04-17T04:08:51
Hosting: Media Temple or Slice
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dawie
2007-04-17T04:10:35
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I need cheap hosting that can handle massive trafic if I get lucky. I am tending towards Media Temple. I don't have time for Amazon EC. I am using Rails.<p>Any suggestions?
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gibsonf1
2007-04-17T04:29:15
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It looks like they want you to actually provide something there first that has not been live before. Their application, though, includes stats on your current website, so I guess their plan is to focus on some new feature to be presented there for the first time. They also want you to explain how their conference is causing your company to accelerate development, etc. <p>I don't see any downside in applying or getting the media attention of getting selected. One option: get selected, get the media attention, then forgo any radical high trajectory bubble bursting funding proposals, and then use that momentum to get into YC.
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gyro_robo
2007-04-17T04:35:03
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Next funding round? So you plan on waiting until 2008 for someone to even start on it?
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gyro_robo
2007-04-17T04:36:34
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&gt; You want to fail as quickly as possible.<p>A bunch of us got <i>that</i> out of the way!
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mauricecheeks
2007-04-17T04:41:28
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:-) i was wondering if anyone used better/different ones than CNet
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staunch
2007-04-17T04:42:45
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He says all you need is a risk-taking attitude (#1) and hard work (#2). Both of these attributes are <i>prerequisites</i> for a successful startup and the <i>opposite</i> of what you see in most big companies.<p>This guy must work for big companies where shipping bloatware in less than 5 years counts as innovation.
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akkartik
2007-04-17T04:56:12
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akkartik
2007-04-17T04:58:11
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rms: how did you find out about this page?
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farmer
2007-04-17T04:58:56
Project San Dimas: Cleaning Up eBay's UI
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Alex3917
2007-04-17T05:00:43
Social Arbitrage: The New New Path to Abnormal Returns
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yaacovtp
2007-04-17T05:06:18
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as soon as i get my invites i'll post something on here.
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staunch
2007-04-17T05:15:39
Paul Graham - Wikiquote
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fruscica
2007-04-17T05:29:33
"Startup comedy" on Hollywood's radar (view Land of OpportuniTV video)
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nickb
2007-04-17T05:31:06
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"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." Bill Cosby
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rms
2007-04-17T05:34:59
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It's on pg's index.
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staunch
2007-04-17T05:36:14
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Lacking any context I'm not sure I'd know what Abe is working on from that one speech.<p>
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staunch
2007-04-17T05:37:22
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The angle of ascent seems interesting. Scribd is YouTube for Docs and they're growing like it.<p>
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edawerd
2007-04-17T05:37:42
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I was at CTIA a couple months back and got a demo of Openwave's "Adaptive Mobility" suite. The site doesn't show very much, but I remember it being a pretty slick, personalized UI for cell phones. I think they've opened it up to allow people to develop widgets for it too. The problem is that it's just a java program that runs on the cell phone OS, when really it should be the OS itself. <p><a href="http://www.openwave.com/us/products/adaptive_mobility_suite/">http://www.openwave.com/us/products/adaptive_mobility_suite/</a>
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fruscica
2007-04-17T05:38:19
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The takeaway point: marketing plans soon may have to describe how a startup will run marketing <i>as a profit center</i>. So when you're done (re-)reading On Lisp, you'll probably want to crack Robert McKee's Story, as it is the bible for screenwriting (e.g., sitcom design) :-)
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danielha
2007-04-17T05:46:59
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Usually I'll just Google the product name and follow links. If the planned purchase is big enough, I'll lurk enthusiast/specific forums until I get the information I need.
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fruscica
2007-04-17T05:50:14
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Agreed. Hence, a new key to sustainable competitive advantage is creating media that:<p>1) increases awareness of the community<p>2) showcases participants in the community<p>3) generates profits
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danielha
2007-04-17T05:54:51
Patents, why bother?
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jeremyliew
2007-04-17T05:55:58
Care and feeding of social media's three classes: creators, curators and consumers
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yaacovtp
2007-04-17T06:00:10
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The real question is which sites best hide the fact that they exist to splatter affiliate links all over the place.<p>While searching for hosting last year, it took me hours before I figured out that all the hosting review sites were affiliate farms. Forums too, just look at the number of people offering up $97 off dreamhost hosting plans. At a $100 per sale I can't blame them for trying.
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bootload
2007-04-17T06:16:23
Tale of two startups
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bootload
2007-04-17T06:20:19
Are you thinking of working for a start up?
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bootload
2007-04-17T06:21:00
It's a great time to start a business
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bootload
2007-04-17T06:23:12
Flickr case study: Still about tech for exit?
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http://www.startup-review.com/blog/flickr-case-study-still-about-tech-for-exit.php
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nickb
2007-04-17T06:39:26
Frequent Cookie Deletion by 3 out of 10 U.S. Internet Users Leads to Overstatements in Audience Sizes by a Factor as High as 2.5!
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http://www.comscore.com/press/release.asp?press=1389
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danielha
2007-04-17T06:47:25
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eBay is definitely in desperate need of a UI update. The Apollo project looks pretty slick from the demonstration (<a href="http://www.adobe.com/devnet/videos/apollo_demo07/index.html">http://www.adobe.com/devnet/videos/apollo_demo07/index.html</a> ), though I'm curious about performance issues in something as time sensitive as live auctions.
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nickb
2007-04-17T06:47:51
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Books? Amazon. Everything else? I just Google it.<p>Yes, I know there's a bunch of opinion/review sites out there but they all suck and are fairly biased due to spam.<p>A big issue is that most of the products on specialized review sites are highly polarized... either highly negative or highly positive. Dissatisfied people, overwhelingly, seem to have enough incentive to go and review (negatively) a product. Most of the people who are satisfied are content with that and don't feel the need to waste their time and review. On the other end, highly elated people are inclined to review positively a product. So in the end, most of these voluntary review sites suck. The only reviews I trust almost completely are Consumer Reports reviews. They are impeccable and free of bias.
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Tichy
2007-04-17T06:49:35
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I don't believe that there is no market for "tools" anymore, nor that any new successful web page needs to be social.
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unfoldedorigami
2007-04-17T07:07:25
How to Add an API to your Web Service
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unfoldedorigami
2007-04-17T07:09:08
Why Your Small Business Should Blog
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http://particletree.com/features/an-argument-for-small-business-blogging/
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unfoldedorigami
2007-04-17T07:11:23
Does design matter to newspaper readers?
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unfoldedorigami
2007-04-17T07:12:21
Maximizing Parallel Downloads for Faster Page Loading
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zeph
2007-04-17T07:16:42
Finding Great Dev Talent
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unfoldedorigami
2007-04-17T07:18:53
Advice for Finding Good Cofounders : Learn to Fight...from Marriage Research
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http://www.angriesout.com/couples6.htm
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Tichy
2007-04-17T07:26:38
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To support my comment: what about iTunes? It seems to fall in the "tools" category by the articles standards, yet it is fairly new and successful. Sorry to go on about this, but that article somehow irks me: if you have a good idea, go for it, if not, don't. Will somebody really think "I have this great idea, but wait, it is not a social network, so it can't possibly work"? I hope not...
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ecuzzillo
2007-04-17T07:39:18
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iTunes is more about dealmaking and vendor lock-in than it is about technology or tools. I mean, it's just a file-downloading and hard-disk-access tool, plus a DRM system, plus a nice UI. People were downloading files and accessing hard disks and writing UI's in 1970; maybe they didn't have DRM, but that's hardly an advance. No, the reason iTunes is popular is because a) the iPod is popular, and the iPod only works (well) with iTunes; and b) Apple has made big deals with big record companies to put tons of songs on iTunes. iTunes is not a technological step up; it's just a parlaying of Apple's muscle and hardware marketshare. <p>So, even before iTunes existed, you'd probably have difficulty starting a startup which was supposed to do what iTunes does now, since without the iPod and Apple's negotiating power, you're left with a file downloading utility with DRM and no songs from major records, and nobody wants that. So iTunes not only isn't a tool, it isn't a startup-applicable idea; nobody would shy away from doing iTunes because it's a non-social-network application, because they wouldn't try to do iTunes to begin with. <p>Edit: Anyway, I think it's reasonable to think that a lot of the obvious straight-web-tools genres are well-done enough already that you'd have difficulty starting a startup in one. There might be whole new markets for straight tools out there for the taking, but they're at the very least harder to think of than they were in 1995. A lot of the equivalently easy-to-think-of social applications are just now getting off the ground, so the whole essay kind of makes sense. <p>The most interesting thing about the article to me is that it seems to imply a theory of waves of market gaps closing, and that maybe each market gap gets created by the closing of the one before it. There was a market gap for PCs, then that got (more or less) filled, which created a market gap for connectivity, the filling of which created a market gap for web tools, and now that closing has created a market gap for social tools. It could be totally bunk, but it's fun to think about anyway.
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febeling
2007-04-17T07:51:02
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I have clearly always somehow felt that it was like this, but I never really realized that there were these two distinct types of "judgement," or perhaps better (but uglier) types "being judged". It is certainly an important (however small) idea, and one without capitalism and freedom in general must really be hard to deal with. Put it into the "Zen of Business" teachings.
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gyro_robo
2007-04-17T08:01:48
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&gt; The irony is, the biggest disruptive innovation that ever came from the Internet could in fact be open source software, and the old industry it destroys will probably be <i>venture capital</i>.<p>The interplay between open source and trade secret is very interesting, as is the fact that possibly the majority of top-flight software development is open source and not going to make anyone rich.<p>People spend many years learning in order to contribute to amazing, complex software; yet they are shown up financially by kids with web 2.0 sites that run ads.
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staunch
2007-04-17T08:02:26
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I think it's fair to interpret "software that works" to include "software that users want". <p>In the sense of "Gmail is great software, because it just works!"<p>
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staunch
2007-04-17T08:09:36
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Bloggers do need a "hook" or "story" when posting about you, and the easiest one possible is "New Site X Launches".<p>Strikes me as an odd question though. Why <i>wouldn't</i> you do an official launch?
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staunch
2007-04-17T08:16:06
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Why Seth Godin doesn't have comments on his blog:<p><i>"First, I feel compelled to clarify or to answer every objection or to point out every flaw in reasoning. Second, it takes way too much of my time to even think about them, never mind curate them. And finally, and most important for you, it permanently changes the way I write. Instead of writing for everyone, I find myself writing in anticipation of the commenters."</i><p> <a href="http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2006/06/why_i_dont_have.html">http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2006/06/why_i_dont_have.html</a>
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Tichy
2007-04-17T08:40:03
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I tend to think about it like the Cambriam Explosion: it seems to me that at times a new technology comes along that is so much better than anything before it that for a while it's adaptors have a kind of free ride, untill a winner evolves. My personal favourite example are computer games: it seems most kinds of games were already being written as soon as home computers were available. Eventually a few genres emerged that crushed all the other ones. "Doom" was another such leap that triggered an armada of First-Person-Shooters.<p>So now for a while everything "social" will survive for a while, untill the big players have manifested themselves.<p>Anyway, I didn't want to make a point for iTunes, just "prove" that social networks are not the only kind of applications successful today.
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menloparkbum
2007-04-17T08:43:05
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The Danger team already accomplished what you want with the sidekick. Word on the street is that Danger 2.0 (android) was acquired by google a few years ago. Everyone I know who works at google (except the lame people) hate it. Maybe you can figure out how to poach all those people.<p>Getting anything interesting onto an existing carrier's phones is a nightmare. Not only will you need to make a better phone OS, you will have to start your own MVNO. Helio has made an attempt - their "ocean" device might be worth looking at.<p>
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Pakspectator
2007-04-17T08:49:27
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and reincarnation is just round the corner, perhaps.<p>The Pakistani Spectator
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BitGeek
2007-04-17T08:52:06
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Whoops. I think we're in violent agreement. I agree with keeping burn rate low, and not moving to a startup hub... especially if the business is an online one.
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JMiao
2007-04-17T08:58:05
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They were also based far from HQ out in New York.
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JMiao
2007-04-17T09:00:31
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Interesting you mention performance, because I would imagine that most power buyers (target users for this app) use "Buy It Now" as opposed to traditional live auctions.
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JMiao
2007-04-17T09:01:05
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Great to point out, but isn't that irrelevant?
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danw
2007-04-17T09:02:27
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This page has been up since the application form for the first wfp was announced if my memory is correct. Very little progress has been done in mobile user experience in 5-7 years so a few more months wont harm anyone.
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ido
2007-04-17T09:29:39
Can we have a JavaScript login to Y Combinator news?
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ralph
2007-04-17T09:29:46
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I've added a post in the "improvements" thread. Please vote up if you think it's useful.<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=13271">http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=13271</a><p>Cheers, Ralph.
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ido
2007-04-17T09:30:14
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I mean like the way reddit does it, it is much nicer then being sent to another web page.
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ralph
2007-04-17T09:34:14
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You wrote: The titles are "user", "# of posts", "karma" & "karma/# of posts" ?<p>Yes, that's right. It's clear that "# of posts" is never over 50.<p>I suppose some readers here know Ruby, Perl, or Python, but haven't come through _The Unix Programming Environment_ route or done shell programming like we had to do before those languages existed, so I thought there may be some interest in an explanation of the pipeline. Bear in mind that the script interspersed here will have characters missing due to the site's software. The hex-encoded version in this thread can be run to get the verbatim script.<p>wget -qO - <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/leaders">http://news.ycombinator.com/leaders</a> |<p>First, we get the source of the leaders web page with wget.<p>tr '"' '\n\n' |<p>Because that has very long lines, and it's easier to pluck at most one user id per line, transliterate double-quote and greater-than sign characters into newlines.<p>sed -n 's/^user?id=//p' |<p>This then allows sed to only print lines that begin with /user?id=/ after deleting that same text, resulting in a list of user ids, one per line.<p>xargs -ri wget -qO - '<a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id={}'">http://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id={}'</a> |<p>xargs takes each of these user ids in turn and runs a wget to fetch the "submitted" web page for that user id. All the web pages' HTML goes down the same pipe, concatenated together.<p>tr '' '\n' |<p>Again, we transliterate greater-than signs to split long lines at a convenient place.<p>sed -n 's/^\([0-9][0-9]<i>\) points</i> by .<i>=\(.</i>\).$/\2 \1/p' |<p>And sed gets used to filter out lines detailing the points scored by a user for a post, re-formating the information on the way, e.g. "42 points by ...id=ralph" becomes "ralph 42". There's one line containing user id and score for each of the scores listed on the one web page.<p>awk '{c[$1]++; s[$1] += $2} END {for (n in c) printf "%-20s %5d %5d %7.2f\n", n, c[n], s[n], s[n] / c[n]}' |<p>All these (user id, score) tuples get fed to awk. It uses two associative arrays, AKA dicts or hashes, to build up information for each line it reads. Both arrays are indexed by user id; "$1" in awk refers to the first word of the input line. Array "c" maintains a count of the number of times a user id is seen. Array "s" accumulates the scores for each user id. Then at the end of all the input we loop through each index of "c", i.e. the user ids that have been seen, printing the user id, the frequency of that id, the sum of its scores, and the mean.<p>sort +3nr<p>These columns are given to sort which is told to sort on the fourth column, i.e. mean, numerically, in reverse. My sort(1) doesn't give the warning yours does, but you're right; I'm using old-school syntax that is deprecated but my fingers know how to type it. :-)<p>Cheers, Ralph.
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ced
2007-04-17T10:26:09
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Platforms and languages should be orthogonal. They have become tied together because the glue provided by the OS sucks.
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ralph
2007-04-17T10:26:59
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https://sourceforge.net/index.php ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/<p>Neither are turned into links.<p>&amp;gt;=&gt; &amp;lt;=&lt; &amp;amp;=&amp;
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reitzensteinm
2007-04-17T10:30:13
AllOfMp3 Down For 8 Hours And Counting
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http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Techcrunch/~3/109709549/
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mattjaynes
2007-04-17T11:04:02
AllOfMp3 Down For 8 Hours And Counting
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http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/04/17/allofmp3-down-for-8-hours-and-counting/
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