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yaacovtp
2007-04-10T18:23:23
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I meant that in response to your other comment.
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rms
2007-04-10T18:25:49
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I use control click myself...
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herdrick
2007-04-10T18:26:40
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They do that to remove the natural voting bias that favors comments nearer to the top of the page.
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rms
2007-04-10T18:27:38
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I'm not sure that this comparison makes any sense. Either way, Justin.tv has been earning a lot of legitimate mainstream media attention
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BrandonM
2007-04-10T18:27:38
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I didn't mean hacking the OS, which I agree can be a time-sink if you don't know where to look for the answers online (Gentoo-wiki is a great source of answers). I meant that GNU/Linux has simple but powerful IDEs like vim built-in, and most distributions come with gcc as well for compiling the basic languages. There are higher-level programming languages included in the installation like Perl, Python, Java, and more. If you want to install new ones, it's simple, just type "emerge ruby sbcl ocaml ...".<p>I didn't intend my comment to mean that Windows doesn't have legitimate hackers, I was just saying that it doesn't support them nearly as well as others do, with its closed API and licensed software-building tools. I was also poking fun at the "MILLIONS of hackers" comment, because in my opinion, there aren't millions of hackers in the entire world. I don't believe that hacker simply means "programmer", but rather, something a bit more. I certainly wouldn't consider myself to be one yet, even though I am quite confident in my programming skills.<p>So I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say that there aren't Windows hackers, just that I seriously doubt that there are millions of them.
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domp
2007-04-10T18:29:21
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I wasn't really a fan of joost. It was very choppy for me. All I wanted to do was see some Stella episodes but it kept completely stopping and starting the next one. A friend of mine said it was much smoother in the earlier releases so I'd assume that it'll run nice at some point. I'll give it another chance in a few months.
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kyro
2007-04-10T18:29:47
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An invite would be much appreciated.<p>[email protected]<p>Thanks in advance.
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blader
2007-04-10T18:30:31
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Sounds like you have a pretty good applicant filter for free =)
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rms
2007-04-10T18:33:24
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Exactly. The best of the Web OS's is Goowy because they're trying something different. Glide is trying something different too but I don't like their GUI.<p>Going back to blader's post, a Web OS has to help organize information. Ajax start pages are better web operating systems already than YouOS and the like because they function like a better version of bookmarks.<p>The trick is going to be combining Netvibes with Meebo and making a full screen web browser function effectively as the entire desktop environment.
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notabel
2007-04-10T18:34:03
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Well, given that I'm on the second floor of Marston, I'd probably find out what the view from the roof is. :-)
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usablecontent
2007-04-10T18:35:44
Google Getting Cozy With Maxthon Browser, Gets Minority Stakes
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ivan
2007-04-10T18:37:02
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I agree juwo (however, better language skills would be fine) but this is about YC ...
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amichail
2007-04-10T18:37:51
Realizing Bullet Time Effect in Multiplayer Games with Local Perception Filters [pdf]
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nostrademons
2007-04-10T18:38:11
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I was a latecomer to most of those technologies. I didn't get my first computer until I was 10 (1991), and didn't start using e-mail regularly until 1996 or so. Was an early adopter for the web though; first encountered it in 1993, using Lynx, and also used Mosaic and Netscape 1.0 in 1995.<p>I think that the technologies you end up being an early-adopter of is mostly determined by luck, who your friends are. I wonder if PG has a FaceBook or MySpace account, or Twitters away, or plays Second Life.<p>"In any case, I'd be really interested to know what people here are using today that they think everybody else will be using years from now..."<p>Functional programming. It really does make that much of a difference. I'm a Haskeller by hobby, and my startup is Python-written-in-an-FP-style. I'm finding that almost all of my bugs are type errors, and I never get usually-much-more-common state or logic errors.
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joshwa
2007-04-10T18:38:28
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he's awake!<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=11399">http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=11399</a><p>(I can't believe I'm posting this)
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danw
2007-04-10T18:40:15
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And now we're all refreshing this thread too
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amichail
2007-04-10T18:41:30
Time Travel in Haskell (a function's output is passed as a parameter to the same function)
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randallsquared
2007-04-10T18:42:14
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I'd assumed it was an artifact of the storage mechanism that pg didn't consider problematic enough to fix. PostgreSQL, for example, has no order guarantees unless you explicitly call for them, but seems to order by last update to the row. <p>Not that I'm suggesting that a SQL database backs news.yc; pg seems to have a preference for filesystems over databases.
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pg
2007-04-10T18:43:09
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We'll email the founder whose yc account the application was made through. The from addr will be [email protected].
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transburgh
2007-04-10T18:45:23
Startup Funding Declines in 1st Quarter 07
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2007-04-10T18:45:25
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I think since I'm also part of your "younger generation" I can see the validity in your argument that no one uses Windows anymore, but as I'm beginning to look for jobs and as i meet more and more people outside of my tech bubble, I can see that the general public still attaches itself to Windows OS. The more tech inclined are all about Linux and the like, but those that are all about enjoying youtube and checking email could care less. <p>
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mdakin
2007-04-10T18:45:30
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I guess the real key is to "know thyself" well enough to know one's optimal strategy!
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dave59
2007-04-10T18:47:29
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I went to one of Microsoft's rollout conferences recently -- to get a free copy of Office. The new Word really is better than the old Word, and--call me grandma--I still like it--I'm used to it. I sat at a big table eating lunch with my fellow small business types who came for the same thing, and listened to the MS power users talk about looking around and seeing, and realizing how old they, and the rest of the loyalists were. True. The loyal MS IT guys were there in force, to applaud Bill warmly. But it wasn't a big under-thirty audience. The presenters all talked about the many new enterprise features of Vista and the servers, the tightest possible integration of everything a huge organization needs to control every detail of work. And how much they hate pocket flash drives -- those enemies of corporate security. And all of us Office freeloaders smiled and nodded, and ate their sandwiches.
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xinroman
2007-04-10T18:48:53
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<i>fingers crossed</i>
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zaidf
2007-04-10T18:57:48
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Those data points look so small, I'm not sure what level of correlation this may have relative to the overall tech funding scene.
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transburgh
2007-04-10T18:59:15
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I believe it is based on the member base who submit a funding request on their site (per the bottom of the post).
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Jordi
2007-04-10T18:59:18
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One of the clear signs that show how wrong they are on strategy is Vista. Vista is everything against web 2.0 with a web 2.0 face. All control and get attached as much as you can to your Desktop. They need to get some people from Google to use their cash wisely. Jordi Vallejo
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juwo
2007-04-10T18:59:22
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ok :). but even there, the items scroll down. So the same thing happens...
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chendy
2007-04-10T19:05:42
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I'm not sure the process is that simple- Since there are presumably interviews and the Mountain View meetup, YC is probably only looking to send out emails of groups that are absolutely no longer being considered. Also, I'm sure that certain groups would appreciate some anonymity if they are moving on to the next round.
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Readmore
2007-04-10T19:10:45
Google Housing? - Google now searches Real Estate and Rentals
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yaacovtp
2007-04-10T19:10:54
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VC bloggers and linkedin.com must be killing their paid subscription based website. $45 a month for a basic plan and no info for their pro plan. No wonder their startup funding leads have dried up in 1Q07.<p>"The Go BIG Network Small Business Funding Review is a comprehensive report, compiled quarterly, that tracks the detailed capital raising trends and habits of the startup company and small business community. Requests for funding are made directly by small business owners and entrepreneurs on the Go BIG Networks Web site and are made available to angel investors, private equity investors and venture capital firms looking to fund new businesses. The report includes the requests for funding made within a given quarter of a year."
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usablecontent
2007-04-10T19:11:41
Wetpaint Launches Personal Messaging In Wikis
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melhorn
2007-04-10T19:12:28
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why refresh mail when I can refresh ycombinator? The second when one of the emails gets received it will be posted here for shure... :-)<p>
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wschroter
2007-04-10T19:13:44
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the decline is in the average amount requested, not funding requests as a whole.
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dfranke
2007-04-10T19:14:54
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Apparent news.yc bug: this comment isn't showing up on <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=pg">http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=pg</a>
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nostrademons
2007-04-10T19:16:21
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Yes it is, or at least it is now.
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jwecker
2007-04-10T19:19:10
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"I tried to call but no one answered..."
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far33d
2007-04-10T19:23:11
Quick Stats on news.yc clickthroughs
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bitdiddle
2007-04-10T19:25:19
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I would like one please. Thanks,<p>Bit Bitdiddle<p>[email protected]
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chandrab
2007-04-10T19:25:31
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Boston is no where listed...which is funny since other surveys say it's second only to California
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transburgh
2007-04-10T19:29:34
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Which survey?
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far33d
2007-04-10T19:30:33
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One of my blog posts was linked here and had 9 points, putting it on the front page for about 36 hours or so. Now that it's headed down the list, I thought it would be interesting to share the statistics on how many clicks came from: <p>-main page (news.yc/news): 229<p>-newest page (news.yc/newest): 24<p>-google reader (via news.yc feed): 19<p>-the post's comment page: 5<p>-my user page: 3<p>I think wordpress doesn't accurately count up referrers, because that post has had a total of 350 or so views since the add on this site (and only 3-7 people a day looked at it before that). There were a few other referrers w/ only one count each (bloglines, newsgator, etc).<p>So, this site generates quite a bit of click-throughs, even for posts voted up in the single digits. Thought people might find this interesting. While traffic isn't super high, it is "focused".<p>
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dfranke
2007-04-10T19:32:03
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Strange. It isn't for me, yet I'm seeing another that was posted more recently.
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yaacovtp
2007-04-10T19:34:52
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If craigslist would put their listings on Google Base it would be the listings market would shrink even further. Compare craigslist broker listing fee of $10 vs yahoo's fee of $49.95.
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ecuzzillo
2007-04-10T19:36:11
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Disclaimer: I haven't programmed on Windows in a very long time, and the only time I did it was in a cocoon of an intro programming class in VS.NET where we didn't have to program anything that was either useful or interesting. <p>However, one of the more substantive complaints about Windows I've heard (beyond the usual instability and insecurity) is that it isn't easily programmable. You can't (I've read) effortlessly connect small, well-designed, single-purpose programs together with things like pipes, redirection, etc. And, most programs by default (again, I've read) are inextricably attached to their GUIs, so you can't make them scriptable like you can with a command-line Unix tool plus a shell script. That would mightily suck for anyone who's used to the high level of programmability in Unix.
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melhorn
2007-04-10T19:45:39
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Question is: Do you really need something like gut instinct?<p>I think there's one thing that it is appropriate for: Quickly needed decisions with a "social background", if you are experienced at judging human behavior (I don't know the exact English word for "Menschenkenntnis"). <p>Else: Don't do it. Do not decide based on pure gut instinct. Try to get something more dependable: Ask friends, ask experts, talk to people who know more than you or provide a different point of view and then judge their comments against each other. There's almost always a way to get the information you need if you have the time, and it's very seldom you don't have time. <p>Then it brakes down to experience and self-confidence, I guess. Luckily, my gut instinct is right, usually :-)
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vlad
2007-04-10T19:48:09
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Guys... it's very simple! For every level in the hierarchy, it ranks the posts in order of points, and randomizes the order for those that have the same points.
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Readmore
2007-04-10T19:49:15
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Okay... how do you do this in Lisp? Also, PG, does Arc support Time Travel instructions? ;)
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usablecontent
2007-04-10T19:49:36
Former AOL CEO Joins Kosmix BoD
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CerberuS
2007-04-10T19:51:59
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Well,<p>I have to be honest, I loved the article, it gave "kind of" the same information but from a different view.<p>I agree to the most of what has been said, and I do NOT disagree with the rest, but it seems to be little bit early to say so, and I am talking about Web Applications, I teach computer technical certification curriculum (A+, Network+ Server+, and yes some of MCSE's courses as well), when my students (the young ones mostly) ask me what career path do you advice us to pursuit, I say IMHO, MS is an old news, look how Google is changing the way we live, the way we think, I would say, go for web development (AJAX), yes there would still be need for C# and the rest of the other programming languages (at least at the server side and the client OS), but the real volume would be at the web.<p>The part on which I think it is too early to say so is : On other part of the planet (and I am sure in some part of the US as well as I've read in some of the comments below) the fast internet connection is not available (if any in some parts of the world), I agree that one day sooner or later this is inevitable, but it might not be as soon as (NOW).<p>Somewhere else we have discussed this issue few months ago, it can be found here.<p><a href="http://www.syrian-it.net/forum/index.php?topic=25.0">http://www.syrian-it.net/forum/index.php?topic=25.0</a><p>Regards<p>CerberuS
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cwhinney
2007-04-10T19:58:53
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Not related to the article at all, but I'm currently reading Cryptonomicon, and the thing that struck me was when Randy goes to 'his favorite search engine' and types in some '(and pred1 (or pred2 pred3))' sort of construction. An internet without Google. Surprisingly unsettling.
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notabel
2007-04-10T20:04:56
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Doing it in Lisp would be exceedingly tricky, since, while most dialects have some sort of laziness construction, it's explicit, so you don't get the automatic evaluation order reduction that happens in Haskell.<p>(NB: Unless I'm wrong. I've never tried it, it's possible that there's some nice trick for it that just isn't occuring to me.)<p>It's unlikely that the situation is any different in Arc; Haskell is just fundamentally different from other languages (other than Clean), in that lazy evaluation is the default behavior. In Lisp you can ask to create a thunk and then ask to evaluate it later; in Haskell, everything is a thunk, and the compiler/runtime evaluates it when needed.
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yaacovtp
2007-04-10T20:07:49
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Vote up if you don't want to see every blog post listed here. Isn't the idea for people to submit links others may not already know about?<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=usablecontent">http://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=usablecontent</a>
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amikael
2007-04-10T20:09:05
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The xindesk is a webos and a widget framework.
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amikael
2007-04-10T20:10:37
The online webtop.
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blader
2007-04-10T20:12:25
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andreyf
2007-04-10T20:13:02
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I'd appreciate one, too:<p>[email protected]
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carstenklein
2007-04-10T20:16:08
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Nice essay, however, I do not actually think that M$ is dead. They are actually recovering from a very chaotic phase of restructuring after the old king was declared dead and with the new ones taking over lead of the company.<p>Not that I like that company very much, I'd rather go without them as they are not only causing shadows to fall on an otherwise fertile ground, but they also manage to dry out those fertile grounds by taking over and taking in.<p>And now that they have finally found that they could do patents by means of bribing and replicating existing technology and forge that into something that would even more so protect their grounds, i.e. the global IT market, it seems to me as if we were in for something more, even more treacherous than what we have seen so far.<p>Now, what is true is that M$ has long led the pack and they for sure have left that pole position of being the scapegoat running, but they sure will manage to take the lead back by simply replicating existing technology and research. By that they have gone through a process of accepting other people's technological advances and by incorporating them into their infrastructure and overall corporate culture they will slowly try to regain their old status.<p>It would be a nice move, however, to give them the death blow by asking them, in court, how many LOC of open source software they have included in their past projects by simply rewriting the existing code?<p>
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dfranke
2007-04-10T20:17:31
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Fully reentrant continuations feel a lot like time travel.<p>In fact, I once overslept my first class because when my alarm went off and I woke up groggy, I shut off my alarm thinking "I'll just remember my current continuation and if I oversleep I'll call it back later with an error."
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blader
2007-04-10T20:18:32
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FYI: Just received an interview email. No joke.
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usablecontent
2007-04-10T20:22:37
Salesforce Buys Koral, Launches Content Exchange
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jkush
2007-04-10T20:24:33
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Hey, congratulations! That's fantastic!
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mukund
2007-04-10T20:25:01
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Hey thats a great news. Congrats
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BrandonM
2007-04-10T20:25:02
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Wouldn't it be ironic if this submission got more points than your submitted blog post? It's at 7 right now...
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blader
2007-04-10T20:25:45
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Thanks. Good luck to everyone!
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andreyf
2007-04-10T20:26:42
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Video, please?
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russ
2007-04-10T20:27:43
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Thanks for the update. Congrats and best of luck!
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randallsquared
2007-04-10T20:28:22
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Me, too, on both counts.
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shadowolf
2007-04-10T20:28:39
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Congrads
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jsjenkins168
2007-04-10T20:28:45
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I did too. I am shaking so much I can barely type... I am shocked.
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shadowolf
2007-04-10T20:29:06
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Congrads to you.
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mukund
2007-04-10T20:29:29
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hey congrats to u too :)
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joshwa
2007-04-10T20:29:53
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hmmn... nothing yet. I hope this doesn't mean they sent the yeses in one batch and the nos in another...
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blader
2007-04-10T20:30:38
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DUDE. So was I! My hands could barely dial my partner's number on my cell phone!
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dfranke
2007-04-10T20:31:10
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Let's hope they're just sending them off one by one. But I'm not going to speculate. That way lies madness.
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danw
2007-04-10T20:32:05
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Looks in keeping with the stats I'd gathered when one of my pages got linked to.
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rintaun
2007-04-10T20:32:13
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Congrats.
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yili
2007-04-10T20:32:28
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congrats. i can't believe it when my partner told me :)
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huangnankun
2007-04-10T20:33:44
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wow, I'm so happy =) look forward to seeing you guys in mountain view, CA
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joshwa
2007-04-10T20:33:50
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was thinking the same thing.. those that got emails: did they look hand-composed or mail-merged? <p>It'd be silly to ask for email headers to check the client, right? :-P
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blader
2007-04-10T20:34:52
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Well, it wasn't a personalized email, and it was CC'd to an anonymous list.
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joshwa
2007-04-10T20:36:23
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thanks for the data! congrats! (and fingers crossed...)
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Leonidas
2007-04-10T20:39:19
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Congrats to you guys!<p>How totally exciting. I think I'm going to get blisters from constantly refreshing
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st767
2007-04-10T20:46:45
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no. <p>
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joshwa
2007-04-10T20:47:41
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troll?
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herdrick
2007-04-10T20:48:26
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For American teams who got interviews and need to fly to Silicon Valley: Southwest has a sale that includes flights to San Jose. Sample fare: $79 each way from Seattle to San Jose. Here: <a href="http://www.southwest.com/hotfares/hotfares2.html">http://www.southwest.com/hotfares/hotfares2.html</a><p>You'll need to book before Thursday midnight (now is that midnight between Thursday and Friday, or...?).
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nostrademons
2007-04-10T20:51:44
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Congrats! I didn't, so I'm guessing I didn't make it this time around. Oh well.
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joshwa
2007-04-10T20:51:48
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well, I've got new spam, but no new ham.
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usablecontent
2007-04-10T20:55:51
Google In Advertising Partnership Talks with DirecTV
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melhorn
2007-04-10T20:56:23
Second Life, making money and the lack of imagination
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danw
2007-04-10T20:56:27
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Has anyone received a rejection email yet?
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awt
2007-04-10T21:01:10
What is the best time of year to launch a site?
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awt
2007-04-10T21:02:32
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I know I know -- as soon as it's ready to launch. But seriously, is launching a site going into the summer season a good idea? You're just not going to reach as many people as you would in the fall or right after the holidays.
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yaacovtp
2007-04-10T21:03:19
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Think positive, otherwise you'll get bad karma.
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monkeyshines
2007-04-10T21:03:21
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Please, Adobe, PLEASE GIVE US PHOTOSHOP FOR LINUX!!! Gimp sucks and I hate Windows, and I can't afford a Mac and I don't want to throw away 2 perfectly useful laptops just so I can dump Wintel. Gimme Photoshop on Linux (Ubuntu) and I'm done with Win.
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danw
2007-04-10T21:06:28
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I got a rejection email just now
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omarish
2007-04-10T21:09:19
SFP Decisions are out!
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joshwa
2007-04-10T21:09:22
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just got my rejection. :(
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omarish
2007-04-10T21:10:00
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I'll be the first to say that we got rejected. <p>I'm going to work tonight and it's going the be the best code I've ever written.<p>Who heard back?
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daliso
2007-04-10T21:10:32
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yep, we got rejected too.
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