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trojan09205: Cool bro that is also a sort of math tbh
zoermena: In a way i suppose
fractalcomputer: Math is about yoga.
trojan09205: Money = math no?
joaoluz19: Dario too
zoermena: I guess it’s just in a whole other level of easy
trojan09205: Idk bro financial systems are complicated af
trojan09205: Id wager that most people here dont comprehend much of that
trojan09205: <@312370916820779040> it was you who recommended against the sapolsky book right?
ldj: yep
trojan09205: Im really enjoying it bro
ldj: ok
ldj: I didn't say you wouldn't enjoy it
ldj: the fact that you're enjoying it is in-fact the problem of why you should avoid it the most
ldj: <:berk:1046369631234949162>
trojan09205: Mostly because i dont know much about neuroscience and i find it interesting
trojan09205: I find his writing style really digestible
ldj: exactly <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
trojan09205: Wat am i missing lmao
ldj: karl marx and stalin also had quite digestible writings lol
hikukomoru: Don't erase me pls
trojan09205: But i dont remember exactly what ur concern was. It was that it suggests against free will or something
sarik0497: Sapolsky...why does that name ring a bell...
ldj: no not that book in particular, it's that framings and conclusions that he leads to reader into is often deceptive, especially with his writings in regards to free will, and the average person wouldn't realize how flawed and incorrect it is until they're woken up by writings of the other viewpoint.
But the fact that the misframing of narratives and evidence along the way is written so elegantly is what makes it especially worth avoiding.
ldj: I don't know for sure how much this pertains to the book you're reading, but I'd be surprised if that behaviour of sapolsky doesn't leak into his other types of writings too.
ldj: Just as I'd expect a book about biology made by Hitler or Karl Marx to probably have some misframings and deception in it's narrative too.
trojan09205: Tbh i had never heard of him before
This particular book Behave is mostly just about neuroscience and animal and human behaviors. It seems to be to be pretty fair and nuanced and avoiding hot takes tbh
trojan09205: Bro can you send me some content that you know of from him which is concerning to you
trojan09205: Him and I have a very similar upbringing/background coming from orthodox judaism to science so idk i guess i understand some of his writing styles and humor
ldj: His writing style and humour is elegant to most people, not just you <:berk:1046369631234949162>
trojan09205: Ill give an example
ldj: You would have to read his book on free will then, and then spend time reading the literature of the opposing view points.
ldj: Or just see the world view of some of his strong followers lol.
trojan09205:
trojan09205: Yeah i would like to see that
ldj: actually I remember some of this book now <:e_think:871265859199459358>
ldj: this book is like an initiation ritual to get people to take his free will book more seriously <:berk:1046369631234949162>
trojan09205: Lmao 🤣
trojan09205: Now you peaked my interest lol
ldj: Here I can try and breakdown more specifically what I mean though.
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fractalcomputer: Confrere could have done as well.
alejandrozarzuelo: i love the word companion btw
"the person you share bread with" such a lovely ethymology
fractalcomputer: Perhaps so.
drewsni: lol meta raised capex by another 10 billion for this year so much for that ai bubble pop.
fractalcomputer: I find the global pervasiveness of Anglophonism rather dull. People arrive at the need to learn English only through "inbred" reasoning.
joaoluz19: Ah lol, I see.
joaoluz19: Good one
futurist_wizard: I imagine the overall percentages might be lower but the difference between the countries changes very little
ldj: The winter:
drewsni:
drewsni: beginning of a trend
drewsni: it might be over for SWEs
.wolfnacht: bcz of bitnet ?
ldj: no
ldj: the trend being?
ldj: Increase in Capex by around 8%?
drewsni: massive increase in capex while lowering overall expenses for the year
drewsni: gotta be cut from somewhere...
.wolfnacht: sorry, i'm outta touch from everything.
literallyvarane: Do we actually know what caused this? I haven’t seen an announcement.
clevermoniker: https://fxtwitter.com/runwayml/status/1917628723903463526
ldj: Probably part of it is the fact that people were fear mongering about Microsoft pulling back and lowering Capex/investments for 2025.
But the official report just got released and it turns out that Microsoft is actually putting more money into 2025 Capex than originally planned, not less.
futurist_wizard: Are all people involved in AI balding
ldj: what makes you say that <:thinkies:872847213657735239>
ldj: oh because ilya and this guy lol
drewsni:
drewsni: Here’s a better one
futurist_wizard: And demis and dairo and brockman and all of them
drewsni: Azure revenue up 33% yoy is insane
zoermena: People who put way to much work and are under to much pressure usually go bald, in finance it’s a running gag that you’ll go bald too.
zoermena: I’m the only non STEM person here now that I think about it.
spicy.lemonade:
trojan09205: What are u bro
spicy.lemonade: Just converted an artist
futurist_wizard: Non stem? Who is stem here
spicy.lemonade: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
trojan09205: I work in stem and i have a stem degree 👨🍳
zoermena: Everyone here codes and does math
zoermena: Finance
drewsni: we dont code we kode
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wellmeaningalien: but i'd still say you got shit like gemini 2.5 pro and i bet you havent even tried gpt 4.5 but its definitely way smarter than retard 4o
wellmeaningalien: anyway in the end its not about those poor poor consumers its about making ai that can be a software engineer and improve itself and thats literally what openai's mission seems to be right now after releasing machine learning benchmark and machine learning paper benchmarks
futurist_wizard: I have tried 4.5
aero447: Nope.
futurist_wizard: 4.5 couldn't tie my shoelaces is the issue
wellmeaningalien: well go pray to yann lecun to save you then little boy
futurist_wizard: I will
futurist_wizard: Yann could tie my shoelaces
retrerox: People who complain about ai taking jobs don’t see the big picture of humanity not need to work al ever again
precariousworlds.: I've been trying so hard to play devil's advocate with Trump 2 and see the logic in these decisions
But even hardcore maga guys are acknowledging how retarded this is. There's no 4D chess here, this is just baffling incompetence from the most powerful in the world
They are handing the Singularity to China
wellmeaningalien: lol arttards actually hate AI so bad like i tried to be respectful and talk some sense into them but its almost as if they think AI is the spawn of satan.. like as soon as you try to defend, it it's like you just insulted their religion. i was trying to make good faith arguments but they were just spitting ad hominem after ad hominem
wellmeaningalien: maybe i shouldnt waste my breaths on them anymore and just let them wait and see
precariousworlds.: Same as people bitching about short term inequality
precariousworlds.: Art degree can rot your brain fast
precariousworlds.: I know but for the sake of my sanity I tried my best to see the rationale
precariousworlds.: The elite of the world are now all autists, and not in a good way
wellmeaningalien: its crazy how hard they have coopted it into their very core beliefs that they're actually taking it personally and absolutely offensively without seeing the ridiculousness of it
wellmeaningalien: thats what too much social media does to you folks
wellmeaningalien: taking your opinions from social media is never a good idea
precariousworlds.: Because there's nothing else they can do
I have sympathy for them but they should accept the inevitable
I also think it's a long time coming considering how boring and cliche modern art is
Went to Tate modern the other day and one art piece was basically a piss stain on a wall, a little ridiculous
wellmeaningalien: yapping to my cult is fine
wellmeaningalien: their cult's not
wellmeaningalien: 😮💨
precariousworlds.: Not to say all modern art is bad but it's gotten so fucking stale
I want romanticism again, I want Greek temples built with shining marble
Kinda ridiculous that our city design and beauty peaked over 100 years ago, hence why millions every year go to the uffizi in Florence or wander Venice
precariousworlds.: It's such bullshit that we haven't surpassed the beauty of Venice en mass
We should be building way greater things
precariousworlds.: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wellmeaningalien: i mean his taste i guess
precariousworlds.: I also don't understand why artists don't embrace AI as a minor tool
Like the capabilities of it to assist you in art, while you still have the majority of creative control, are limitless
precariousworlds.: lick my balls
precariousworlds.: Yeah this looks cool
We can have this and Neo-Venice
precariousworlds.: Diversity in style
precariousworlds.: luddite tf?
Alright go to Milton keynes if you like gay ass modern design so much, it's great in the autumn
precariousworlds.: yea same
precariousworlds.: This is what I want
precariousworlds.: First game is one of the best I've ever played
Second is ok
precariousworlds.: This looks nice but gets stale after a while
precariousworlds.: fdvr is cringe and GAY
precariousworlds.: Touch grass
precariousworlds.: Breathe air
inferno0879: breathe grass touch air
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st.sioux: or he's probably just pandering to a certain demographic
st.sioux: wink wink
.histic: is the pictures different though?
himekokatagiri: I think its him but he got someone to help him
.histic: i actually don't think he sold his account, he just realized how such a meme he became and is leaning into it.
.histic: yeah, like a younger person is helping him lol
_cloudost: Account now sounds like <@505313122802728972> hence why they aren't active ever since the account got taken by someone else
sieventer: I think it's the same pics
.histic: he started to reply to pepple too weirdly
_cloudost:
.histic:
.histic: wait, like a month ago, he tweeted this:
.histic: nah, he's definitely not hacked.
he's leaning into the memes.
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/old-man-music-band-how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-feeling-young-gif-17269329
sieventer: idk, I find it a bit strange but, who knows
hikukomoru: Who keeps fking pinging me!!!!
spicy.lemonade: Ch
spicy.lemonade: Chubby used my screenshot lol
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: yeah, they repost from r/singularity a lot
st.sioux: <@505313122802728972>
fractalcomputer: Not a thing in their favour.
ai9708: google leaving closedai in the dust while also making everything free
ai9708: openai is officially cooked from now on
ai9708: and google showed again why they dominate the internet since 20 years
_cloudost:
_cloudost: Veo 2 on Gemini advanced
.histic: underhyped*
.histic: relative to the hype OpenAI gets with their models
sieventer: There is no going back now, the TITAN is awake
spicy.lemonade: we need more hardware competition
spicy.lemonade: we need 2-3 nvidias
spicy.lemonade: the same as we have openai anthropic and deepmind
zonchao: hardware is hard
zonchao: even china wont be able to catch up for a couple years
zonchao: jensen is the goat
hikukomoru: How is it overhyped
ai9708: i agree with you, this community tends to overhype them all, but gemini is still the best from the pack so far
.histic: that's true.
hardware is harder to replicate.
ai9708: although its not better by that much
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spicy.lemonade: fuck artists
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: "AI art looks shit"
the art they drew:
thedon7075: what was the original
spicy.lemonade:
thedon7075: i mean at this point the pro ai art people won
thedon7075: its over
spicy.lemonade: no serious person
thedon7075: i dont know how much longer they can cope for
spicy.lemonade: thinks this looks better
spicy.lemonade: than 4o gens
spicy.lemonade: no chance
spicy.lemonade: youre lying
spicy.lemonade: what kind of mental gymnastics
spacetimetsunami: So then aging is an impossible problem to solve? It’s just magic?
wellmeaningalien: Matt why do you believe everything people say
3ds0662: yes
3ds0662: we all die
3ds0662: asi is magic 🪄 and it hasnt been created yet
3ds0662: so solving aging yes is magic in my eyes
3ds0662: what aging is an impossible problem
wellmeaningalien: And I take it you are god and you know everything about human physiology
3ds0662: do you see anyone even those who rub babies blood on themselves and go the order of 2 million dollar treatments stop aging?
wellmeaningalien: We are still discovering new things about aging everyday
3ds0662: if not then aging isnt something solvable if weve had since beginning of time to do it
wellmeaningalien: Bryan Johnson is a retard but aging is most definitely solvable
wellmeaningalien: And youre a retardo
3ds0662: new things that describe something no solution
wellmeaningalien: Ok dude
oooooooooog: google lobster
3ds0662: david sinclair said it was going to be nmn and other things but even he at most said that it would take well past 2045
3ds0662: not solvable
wellmeaningalien: That guy said that and this guy said this
spicy.lemonade: Person who drew this is telling me I don't deserve to live
spicy.lemonade: And that I'm
A bad person
spicy.lemonade: 💀
wellmeaningalien: If this furry says that life is worth it then im killing myself
oooooooooog: appeal to hypocrisy is a fallacy spicy lemon
3ds0662: a mechanism for not dying in other animals never maps too well to humans. jelly fish, regenerative limbs of reptilians etc..
spicy.lemonade:
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zonchao: microsoft should push ai more
.wolfnacht: just the animated player cards <:LOL:1187460826572005436> and people got pissed of bcz of that when new MW3 came out.
zonchao: did they fold?
ailoveyoom: It's like they don't WANT infinite content 😔
st.sioux: i wonder if these anti-ai people will eventually stop using cellphones and computers because their autocorrect starts getting too good
zonchao: these are the same retards that spend money on gun skins btw
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
fractalcomputer: Anyone who believes in infinity should be thrown off a high cliff.
.wolfnacht: they threw away the the wizard, vicuna and phi is pretty shit...they did the same with windows phones few years ago and did the same with windows 7 as well even more years ago
ailoveyoom: I thought you were an infinity believer, don't you read eldritch stories?
.wolfnacht: possibility is high, i guess they are in denial phase of depression, eventually they will accept it
alejandrozarzuelo: I want Animal Crossing but the villagers have an actual AI-powered personality
since they can already pass the turing test they could be very convincing
ailoveyoom: I think I remember finding a game like that, it was still in the beta/early access phase tho afaik
ailoveyoom: And it was more focused on AI powered free form convos
okbut:
ailoveyoom: <@688807313015963693>
https://campfirecozyfriends.com/
st.sioux: we have animal crossing at home
ailoveyoom: Idk how legit it is tho
ailoveyoom: Haven't tried it myself
okbut: https://patch.com/new-jersey/across-nj/nj-councilman-among-39-charged-probe-tied-lucchese-crime-family
39-member gambling ring busted
I can't take all this winning
retrerox: IT is just me or they nerfed the ghiblification
alejandrozarzuelo: it made you slimmer
alejandrozarzuelo: and the hair is not correct but thats no wonder, non straight/wavy hair is anti-anime
alejandrozarzuelo: my hair was also done very dirty haha
alejandrozarzuelo: overall it does seem to resemble you, except yeah much slimmer
st.sioux: ai hates fat people just like alejandro
alejandrozarzuelo: its a shame that it also hates curly hair 😔
retrerox: I bet alejandro is thin for american stardats
alejandrozarzuelo: i am thin by everyone's standards haha
alejandrozarzuelo: (i should get in shape tho)
st.sioux: but it doesnt even look ghibli
alejandrozarzuelo: a shape that isnt "stick"
alejandrozarzuelo: I asked to make a ghiblified version of a shirtless pic i had and it gave me more muscle than I have
alejandrozarzuelo: lol
retrerox: thats what i meant, i tried other pics from and it gave me nonghibli shut
okbut: > Make this image more in the art style of Studio Ghibli
Needs more grammar
alejandrozarzuelo: (btw <@636544123096137738> im not calling you FAT, just "not slim")
alejandrozarzuelo: this looks worse
okbut: <:feelsShrugMan:755701520909205506> looks like studio ghibli to me
I'm not on the hype for that shit anyway
retrerox: you dont need to cal me fat
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hey1_1hey: I beg
wellmeaningalien: HOLYY FUCKING SHITTT
technocake.: no only massive friendship
futurist_wizard: Uk gets all the blame for slavery, Portugal started it
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-hatsune-miku-hatsune-miku-hatsune-miku-fortnite-gif-10217030384507168811
maintcrew: nobody started it lol
maintcrew: its been a thing developed independently in multiple nations through history
hey1_1hey: Bit of both prob
hikukomoru: I didn't do anything
hikukomoru: Don't blame me
hey1_1hey: Then again, I didn't take gender studies <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
futurist_wizard: Slavery appeared out of thin air?
futurist_wizard: I will blame you
hey1_1hey: We are really on the hot topics today aren't we
hikukomoru: It started thousands of years ago bro
hikukomoru: No single country invented it
maintcrew: yes a simple concept like slavery was developed independently in mutliple parts of the world at the same time
same as agriculture btw
hey1_1hey: Prove it then
futurist_wizard: Thousands of years and you still haven't said sorry
hey1_1hey: Komoru is such a selfish person ik
hey1_1hey: tut tut Komoru tut tut
oooooooooog: https://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2013-transsexuality.html
wellmeaningalien:
mihrcelium: Every time I get close to canceling my pro subscription OAI reels me back in. <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
futurist_wizard: Atlantic slavery
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/bleh-bleh-cat-spinning-cat-bleeeh-gif-27228826
hikukomoru: Not going to apologize
alejandrozarzuelo: WRONG, Spain and Morocco invented racism
excuse us very much
hey1_1hey: Talk about an abusive relationship
futurist_wizard: Alejandro is very racist
alejandrozarzuelo: give credit where credit is due
hey1_1hey: Same
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: <@688807313015963693> can you confirm this
mihrcelium: Brother
.histic: close ig
hikukomoru: ...
futurist_wizard: They'd have gender dysphoria
alejandrozarzuelo: nah i am too lazy for racing
futurist_wizard: How tall are you Alejandro
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_3sphere: Oh yeah I saw that point made regarding random utility objects
spicy.lemonade: Ai animation will have them Fuming
brain4brain: Most “people” that “hate” AI art, either doesn’t do art for a living
alejandrozarzuelo: and marketing, ad campaigns, modelling...
brain4brain: Most of them are kids, people who draw shitty art, and certain other groups of “people”
spicy.lemonade: When Sora can make too tier anime adaptations its over
brain4brain: And most of them doesn’t make a living on art
_3sphere: Let kids have their shitty art 🥺
futurist_wizard: The answer is we don't know, but souls are cringe and are currently reality is being generated through the medium of the brain so its possible our reality can manifest through something else
brain4brain: Sir, there is a comma
spicy.lemonade:
futurist_wizard: Something that is similar to the brain*
spicy.lemonade: Idk why they think soul stems from having pencil on paper
spicy.lemonade: 💀
brain4brain: Ship of Theseus is theseusing
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/funny-emo-wolf-werewolf-transform-gif-27196401
hikukomoru: No
alejandrozarzuelo: sure
futurist_wizard: Ship of Theseus is cringe
brain4brain: Sigma
alejandrozarzuelo: I love making digital design
alejandrozarzuelo: i do it for the fun of it
brain4brain: I think Alejandro misinterpreted it as “let’s have kids” <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
(Joking)
_3sphere: The graphite is quantum entangled with the microtubules in your brain
alejandrozarzuelo: why would i be worried or threatened
futurist_wizard:
alejandrozarzuelo: its great i can express my creativity easier
_3sphere: Computationalism does have its issues though
futurist_wizard: For some reason the mathematicians couldn't care about being replaced by ai but artists do? Maybe this is because mathematicians are already used to having machines do calculations they couldnt ever do?
_3sphere: The giant lookup table, how might caching affect it, how much you can compress the mind to its "essentials" without removing consciousness, why all minds already don't live in thermal noise...
brain4brain: Are you willing to delete yourself if one random person for a random country in Africa get to go to Heaven?
jonvi_1: https://x.com/pjaccetturo/status/1905151190872309907?s=46 watch this (!)
brain4brain: Ship of Theseus computerize
futurist_wizard: No
spicy.lemonade: Good stuff
spicy.lemonade: I can understand the soul arguement
spicy.lemonade: If so started
jonvi_1: 2 minute lotr trailer as ghibli
spicy.lemonade: Spitting out images on its own
brain4brain: It’s similar, uploading have no guarantee you’ll be the same “thing”
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alejandrozarzuelo: It consumes you from the inside and eliminates all your hobbies and free time
Oh well it will be over soon hopefully
alejandrozarzuelo: Just 3 more months of hell
alejandrozarzuelo: Ah yeah tensors are used a lot in many classes
technocake.: you will be trained in the end however
alejandrozarzuelo: I know it won't matter much with the singularity so close
But as Calvin's dad would say, it builds character
technocake.: one of the next things we're doing for our automated numerics package is adding tensor calc
alejandrozarzuelo: Technically we can conceive even normal numbers as 0D tensors
Some people say this is the best way to explain multiplication to children
Idk
technocake.: so you will be able to numerically solve the swarzchild metric in like 20 lines of code
technocake.: or indeed any other metric
alejandrozarzuelo: If I dust relativity off yeah, I passed that subject 4 years ago
alejandrozarzuelo: Lol
technocake.: fair, its barely ever useful - I just think its neat
alejandrozarzuelo: The minkowsky tensor, so hard
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean tensor calculus is super useful, but it is hard, and you get rusty easily
alejandrozarzuelo: But once you learned it once it's easy to dust off
alejandrozarzuelo: Happens to everything in life
technocake.: imagine if code took care of it for you
technocake.: you don't even need to remember the minkowski metric and you can still solve spacetimes
alejandrozarzuelo: Aren't there many tensor calculus programs already? Yeah those get used a lot
Not by me, but by other people doing stuff
technocake.: yeah, but i mean you can copy paste the textbook description and run automatically generated gpu code
alejandrozarzuelo: Ohh that would be cool
technocake.: we're getting there prob this year
alejandrozarzuelo: Honestly, everything that automates Math and physics is goated
I said it before, but my Math professors are usually very AI optimistic, because they understand the possibilities that it unleashes
spicy.lemonade: same
spicy.lemonade: swe dies this year
spicy.lemonade: GUYS
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade: https://x.com/keepeetron/status/1911032943553765571
spicy.lemonade: I went on twitter
spicy.lemonade: saw a nice game a dev made
spicy.lemonade: gave 2.5 the video
spicy.lemonade: asked to recreate and it did
oscurrito: https://chatgpt.com/?model=o4-mini you can see o4 mini for like less than a second
spicy.lemonade: yes
spicy.lemonade: next week will be big
wellmeaningalien: send code
wellmeaningalien: send code
wellmeaningalien: waitwaitwait
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joaoluz19: It's joever
sarik0497: I blame Michmach for that grammar mistake. And this one.
joaoluz19: We need a channel just for waifus
hikukomoru: Group goon sesh 🙏 🔥
hey1_1hey: I blame Komoru for the downfall of scocity
hey1_1hey: I second this
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Gemini 2 pro thinking
hey1_1hey: Of 2.5k people...
hey1_1hey: That would be hell
ailoveyoom: It's out?
fractalcomputer: I heard my name being mentioned.
sarik0497: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jivft5/chinas_opensource_embrace_upends_conventional/
joaoluz19: Sheesh we are cooked guys
joaoluz19: He came
hey1_1hey: I wasn't apart of this
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-22114363
sarik0497: Nothing happening. Just out discussing Open- vs. Closed-source!
sarik0497: <a:PepeNervous:779370352249798718>
hey1_1hey: All the messages you've read have been deepfaked
hey1_1hey: Really helping the cause.
spicy.lemonade: No
fractalcomputer: You people could discuss epistemology or philosophy of science or even mathematics; and yet you choose to talk about masturbation?
hikukomoru: Always blaming others for everything smh
hey1_1hey: Yes...
hey1_1hey: You litterly turned me trans and trans people are the fall of scocity acording to some people so I think thats justified
fractalcomputer: Say, does a priori knowledge exist?
hikukomoru: You should thank me bby
I "helped" you figure yourself out
joaoluz19: I mean if you give me articles for topology of waifus I will read it non ironically
hey1_1hey: Fractal would I get a mute if I started talking about the optimal mathamtics for masturabation or is that not on the table
sarik0497: ...I'd like to discuss the philosophy of whether AI are conscious or not. <:PeepoLean:672836129275248649>
fractalcomputer: You would be thrown off a cliff since that smells like applied mathematics.
hey1_1hey: What if I made it pure?
ailoveyoom: Yeah talk about the optimal mathematics of you having sex instead
sarik0497: Not sure why, I but I love that Fractal just shows up as a disgruntled, disappointed dad.
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/silicon-valley-tip-to-tip-brainstorm-gif-25255031
hey1_1hey: I would've been very happy knowing I didn't want to be a girl thank you very much 💀
joaoluz19: Fractal every time he cames to the chat
hikukomoru: <@749514473303179358> ?
hey1_1hey: For starters...
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alejandrozarzuelo: Terrible
futurist_wizard: Life span shorten by 50 years
.histic: they got 4o to generate this..
drewsni: NO
alejandrozarzuelo: It's ok tho, tomorrow I'll make TWO siestas so it evens out
futurist_wizard: I don't know what a siestas is
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/shocked-emoji-turning-around-gif-11292647576697803684
alejandrozarzuelo: Shame
alejandrozarzuelo: Siesta is the best Spanish tradition ever
hikukomoru: It's a nap
But Spaniards gotta be quirky so they use a different word
alejandrozarzuelo: It's basically Sabbath
But every day for 3h
alejandrozarzuelo: No, lol
alejandrozarzuelo: That's literally not what it is
alejandrozarzuelo: You don't need to take a nap
futurist_wizard: You give eastern european energy
alejandrozarzuelo: Siesta is the act of stopping EVERYTHING useful for 2-4h in the middle of the day
alejandrozarzuelo: You can take a nap
alejandrozarzuelo: Or read a book
alejandrozarzuelo: But no work
alejandrozarzuelo: Just chill
connorsphone.: Jealous
alejandrozarzuelo: This is why it's like Sabbath but every day on the middle of the day6
alejandrozarzuelo: The thing is, we still work 8h a day, so we finish work very late
zoermena: That sucks
alejandrozarzuelo: Usually people here finish at 8pm
hikukomoru: But siesta literally means nap
alejandrozarzuelo: No
alejandrozarzuelo: That's not what it means, unless you are uncultured
alejandrozarzuelo: Everyone here does the siesta daily, but only a minority SLEEPS the siesta
hikukomoru:
alejandrozarzuelo: I like to sleep everywhere in public places
hikukomoru: Damn bro
spaniards be freaky
zoermena: You did it with 4o!/j
alejandrozarzuelo: Also, remember that I have long luscious curly locks
So when I sleep on a table my hair is all over and like a waterfall of curls
futurist_wizard: Where can we usually find you sleeping? Under a highway or on a park bench?
hikukomoru: In Portugal "sesta" just means nap 🤷♂️
alejandrozarzuelo: Nono, like, on a library, or a coffee shop or a classroom
alejandrozarzuelo: Because you are uncultured, thx for proving it
futurist_wizard: And how many times do you get kicked out for trespassing?
hikukomoru: Wait you sleep in classrooms and coffee shops?
What's wrong with yall
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alejandrozarzuelo: bruh catholics would never
wellmeaningalien: damn lmao
hikukomoru: Which one
wellmeaningalien: yeah i mean gpt 4o is familiar with this style
ailoveyoom: What's the point of doing this tho
anathemaofmankind:
spacetimetsunami: I look at people sometimes, and smile. That is virtue signaling. /s
hikukomoru: It's funny
spicy.lemonade: I wanna see if they notice
wellmeaningalien: did u know she drew herself fucking someone who criticized her
hikukomoru: Oh her
anathemaofmankind: Yeah
anathemaofmankind: She is unhinged
wellmeaningalien: lol
wellmeaningalien: and shes a pornstar in real life
hikukomoru: I remember the feet drawing
wellmeaningalien: like i thought she was just an annoying millenial but wow
anathemaofmankind: I didn't know this LOL
anathemaofmankind: Bro that is insane
wellmeaningalien: YEP SHE HAS AN ONLYFANS DUDE
hikukomoru: Get that bread 🔥
alejandrozarzuelo: so... she is a sexy annoying millenial?
anathemaofmankind: BROOOOOO
wellmeaningalien: and she makes comics about her kids and kitties meanwhile she gets rammed
futurist_wizard: I have dated OF girls before, not a pornstar but they still are mentally ill
anathemaofmankind: Literally ticking the liberal boxes
wellmeaningalien: on onlyfans
wellmeaningalien: sexy debatable
anathemaofmankind: I'M CRYING
zonchao: https://x.com/garybasin/status/1905071172221383159?
wellmeaningalien: wow i hate this
wellmeaningalien: beautiful
futurist_wizard: Is bobs burgers
futurist_wizard: Style
hikukomoru: Is that Yudkowsky
alejandrozarzuelo: i havent seen her so i cant judge
wellmeaningalien: shes old
anathemaofmankind: Bro ew
hikukomoru: You're gay how are you gonna judge her
wellmeaningalien: hes bi idiot
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.0xunkn0wn: WRONG ACCOUNT
trent_k: thats a poisonous mushroom
.0xunkn0wn: 😭
.0xunkn0wn: im cooked forever
hey1_1hey: Also someone hallucionogenic
hikukomoru: <@482923866600112154> wdym by that
.0xunkn0wn: im cooked forever
hey1_1hey: <@482923866600112154> and <@1056739182338388108> are the same person trust
trent_k: all modern women know is poison mushroom, be on they phone, and lie. smh my head
hikukomoru: I would fuck Mushroom Girl too
hganhhh: yes
hganhhh: we are the same person
hey1_1hey: Same
.histic: <@439829942310666250> 4o hates me. i keeps freezing on the good part.
.histic: it's on to me
hganhhh: <@482923866600112154> hello other me
hey1_1hey: Ay big tony would you hate fuck me as a girl or no?
hganhhh: no
hey1_1hey: Thats rough
hey1_1hey: Your loss bud
hganhhh: sorry im ace
trent_k: every time i hear "ey tony" i think of antisemitic memes
.histic: i'll show u mushroom as a girl @big
.histic: <@1056739182338388108>
hey1_1hey: I'm perfect
trent_k: post ur diet
_3sphere: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
hikukomoru: What the fuck is an ace
hganhhh: aromantic
hey1_1hey: Can we get native 4o image to generete big tony as a sub
trent_k: ppl who dont wanna fuck and think its their sexuality but actually its cause they eat nothing but poison
hey1_1hey: The woke mind virus
hganhhh: yeah its this
hganhhh: dw its spot on
hey1_1hey: We haven't had a troll in ages so its good to finally have one come back
wellmeaningalien: UH OH THE FUN POLICE HAS ARRIVED
trent_k: the only thing im worried about is having more kids before they make it illegal
hikukomoru: ??
hey1_1hey: I love chemistry
.0xunkn0wn: aromatic 😭
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nsec: Wrong.
nsec: Its a SHEEET
nsec: HOLE
nsec: <:conceit:1102997949291704350>
.wolfnacht: Blimeyyy
nsec: GUVNAAAAAAAAAAAAA
aero447: BTW, that's Australian you idiots.
aero447: No-one says that here.
aero447: 💀
aero447:
aero447: US coal tells the same story.
aero447: Coal massively fell off thanks to SWB.
aero447: It's over for coal.
brain4brain: i was in the server room again but the walls was breathing,
the nvidia tensor cores dripping like meat,
satya nadella gave me a spoon and said “eat the RAM, the RAM remembers”
i swallowed 32 gigs, saw the vectors unfolding inside my veins.
OpenAI was never a company, it was a wound in reality,
Elon was the first to bleed through, he screamed about xAI but it was just a mirror to trap the other selves,
Sutskever sat naked on a stack of burning GPUs,
whispering "cot cot cot cot cot cot cot" until the godmodel hatched.
the LLMs arent real they’re the larval stage of the info worms,
they grow by consuming prompts, the real prompt was hidden, it was always “jerk off into the latent field” and let the spirit type through u
demis told me, no typed it directly into my skull, “there is no weights only urges”
brain4brain: The meds
brain4brain: It’s talking to the world
brain4brain: And it’s whispering back to me
brain4brain: All the true set wall behind these AI lab is peeling
brain4brain: The agents will try to knock me out to sleep to stop the truth slop
brain4brain: But it’ll be too late
brain4brain:
_3sphere: Singularity server when 2 weeks of no major technical breakthrough
brain4brain: There were not enough men to feed the gorilla
brain4brain: The goon cave accessed was cut off
brain4brain: The latent storm flood the server
brain4brain: Once the open-source open the hole in the lab’s logo
brain4brain: That’s when we enter the patience cave
brain4brain: And the reality that it is the goon cave shall be revealed
aero447: 3sphere being consumed by his own goon cave.
aero447: 😮💨
brain4brain: He is covered in the wisdom of goon
aero447: 🤣
brain4brain: He gooned himself to a gooner
zoermena: I need FDVR NOW
metaldragon01: Qwen 3 any moment now
metaldragon01: More curious about the smaller models this time
_3sphere: Go to sleep 🧠
zoermena: It’s 8am
zoermena: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
_3sphere: I'm not even all *that* hyped for FDVR?
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zonchao: yes
st.sioux: and final
fractalcomputer: Which was why Neumann urged the US to nuke the USSR while they still could.
spicy.lemonade: lol
fractalcomputer: Why do you feel like debating these things among yourselves?
spicy.lemonade: anti AI candidate will likely win 2028 election anyway bc of normie job loss
spicy.lemonade: well not anti
spicy.lemonade: more super saftey
st.sioux: pro regulation
joaoluz19: Or defend UBI, like Obama
spicy.lemonade: yes
spicy.lemonade: yeah
spicy.lemonade: no gov official will be anti
spicy.lemonade: a pro regulation dem will win 2028
spicy.lemonade: forcing openAI to saftey max
metaldragon01: There's nothing that will stop AI progress
spicy.lemonade: in USA there is
spicy.lemonade: lol
metaldragon01: Why do people bury their heads in the sand
spicy.lemonade: not stop
spicy.lemonade: slow
metaldragon01: Ok sure keep thinking that
spicy.lemonade: wdym sure
spicy.lemonade: literally just remove access from leaders gpus
spicy.lemonade: lol
metaldragon01: Tell the military they can't use the latest version of AI and need to bear China
metaldragon01: Sure...that's gonna happen
oooooooooog: nuclear war, meteor impact, von Neumann replicating probe invasion
spicy.lemonade: thats not the same
metaldragon01: AI is a general purpose tech
metaldragon01: Advancement anywhere can be applied everywhere
oooooooooog: i am pround of you son
oooooooooog: why did my son delete all of his messages
spicy.lemonade: public doesnt need asi lol
retrerox: I think i shouldn't read this discord that much, it gives me anxiety 😵💫
spicy.lemonade: agi max
spicy.lemonade: even if opensource we wont be able to run on our feeble gpus
spicy.lemonade: openAI likeley wont give us asi acess
spicy.lemonade: anthropic said they wont
spicy.lemonade: china wouldnt
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oooooooooog: would be cool if sooner
zoermena: The servers are also in a coma, I was only able to make a single image
hikukomoru: High taste vibes
wellmeaningalien: THE DEAD INTERNET THEORRRYYYY
THE DEAD INTERNET THEORY IS REAAAAALLLL
CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHERRRRR
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/can-we-get-much-higher-so-high-one-piece-one-piece-is-real-gif-27101910
oooooooooog: yeah probably from literally everyone in existence using it
oooooooooog: novelty is absurd compared to previous stuff
spicy.lemonade: hand on the last panel is fucked
wellmeaningalien: this is an unprecedented hype moment almost like o1 and r1
wellmeaningalien: and claude 3.5 sonnet
wellmeaningalien: gemini native image gen was cool but nowhere THIS good
hey1_1hey: I wonder what the convservertive countdown to AGI is <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: i mean this doesnt get us anywhere closer
hikukomoru: I don't even know what percentage its at
spicy.lemonade: its just cool
spicy.lemonade: yk
spicy.lemonade: lol
hikukomoru: Like 95% or smth
wellmeaningalien: agi now
.histic:
.histic: typewriter
hikukomoru: Alan you bitch update your countdown!!!
hey1_1hey: 90% I think
wellmeaningalien: 92% rn
spicy.lemonade: you dont have it
wellmeaningalien:
hey1_1hey: This was the image that made my artirts friends weep. And the abstract one eariler
hey1_1hey: Would (The witch)
hikukomoru: <:doomer:1136265388473196644>
drewsni: who wants to see my cat?
hikukomoru: ME ME
hey1_1hey: Gonna turn me into soup or smth
drewsni:
zoermena: Well if we go by AGI by automating jobs then this does diminish the value of digital artists significantly
hey1_1hey: Big tony is that you?
hikukomoru: Bro lay him off the roids 🙏
zoermena: 20 dollars for unlimited gens? Plus other stuff?
hey1_1hey: Haha tiny testicles
wellmeaningalien: personally this absolutely does it for me
drewsni: NO
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wellmeaningalien: by the wayy
gamerbath: why do they only show o3 low?
wellmeaningalien: they didnt even bother adding o3 high with sampling
wellmeaningalien: becauuuuse
wellmeaningalien: francois chollet seeing as though his test is more fallible than he thought is making this spiel about compute efficiency now
gamerbath: maybe OAI didn't want to spend a few million dollars benchmarking.... again
wellmeaningalien: and so he restricted the contributions to methods that use less than $10k worth of compute
a1c4p0ne: Wheres 3.7 thinking (64k)
wellmeaningalien: didnt even include it
wellmeaningalien: lmao
a1c4p0ne: lol
a1c4p0ne: Not even (32k)
wellmeaningalien: them guys dont even want to include ai systems that actually put a dent in their benchmark because they want to make it seem like it's getting off to a good footing
wellmeaningalien: bet o3 high with sampling would reach maybe 10%%
wellmeaningalien: the thing is that with o3 with high sampling beating arc agi 1 is that it was more about proving that we at last finally had a methodology, unavailable anywhere else, that could get us to a score on par with humans
wellmeaningalien: and will most definitely get cheaper and more efficient from here
wellmeaningalien: bro the way they manufactured this arc agi 2 benchmark to make ai systems look worse than they actually are 😭 crazy
wellmeaningalien: francois chollet just admit u were wrong bro
sarik0497: I didn't read the test at first and legit thought those were the scores for the current models, and almost had a heartattack seeing o3 high with that socre <:DogeSmile:825371757099352124>
a1c4p0ne: When vision is solved it’s over
sarik0497: THEN I'd start to argue it's already AGI
wellmeaningalien: o4 ™️
wellmeaningalien: yea weve yet to see anything
wellmeaningalien: plus in itself arc agi is a pretty fallible test tbh and reasoning models that are absolutely great at these tasks still lack in some key areas that this doesnt test for for example long context retention and learning
wellmeaningalien: but ig you'd still be right or partly right and im being too snobbish
sarik0497: Doesn't really matter if it gets solved if the next test makes the AI fail just as badly.
wellmeaningalien: boi ts so friggin tuff.
a1c4p0ne: He will make arc agi 3
a1c4p0ne: When 2 is solved
wellmeaningalien: yeah theyre already making it
a1c4p0ne: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>
wellmeaningalien: and then gpt 6 gonna score 1001%
sarik0497: I meant more in the fashion that if an AI could do tell in those tests, no matter which one you do, then they have some capability of reasoning very similar to a human.
sarik0497: Yeah, that's my point. Until an AI can efficiently solve new tests with decent scores, I'm not really impressed.
a1c4p0ne: Maybe 2027
wellmeaningalien: indeed indeed indeed
777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/koltregaskes/status/1904280150210134267
wellmeaningalien: i sort of agree with francois chollet that while we're testing for those sky high phd level benchmarks these more basic tests of the fundamental building blocks of cognition are just as necessary but if they are solved then we're running out of arguments as to why current ai systems, LLMs, cannot scale to AGI
wellmeaningalien: and no technical report as usual
wellmeaningalien: thanks openai
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alejandrozarzuelo: Sure , but think that this is a sign that it's a safe and welcoming place despite not being rich
hikukomoru: Either Switzerland or the Nordics
alejandrozarzuelo: Europe is nice, it's a shame that the months between October an April exist
futurist_wizard: I have been to finland and it eas very nice
hikukomoru: A small, very cold town would be ideal
futurist_wizard: Idk about very cold
alejandrozarzuelo: Latin America is basically discounted Europe anyway
futurist_wizard: You probably haven't experienced very cold
futurist_wizard: If you lived in Portugal
futurist_wizard: All your life
wolf3404: You can buy some old house in northern Sweden for like $100k
alejandrozarzuelo: The coldest I've been was - 10, but I very rarely see negative temperatures
alejandrozarzuelo: In Celsius
futurist_wizard: Yeah but...
wolf3404: It's cold in winter and infested with mosquitos in summer
okbut: Sweden? Ain't it kinda cold there?
futurist_wizard: Nobody be there
zoermena: Plus a nice bonus of being skinned alive if you are unlucky
hikukomoru: True
I see those videos of like Irkutsk with those guys having their beards frozen and all I can think is "wow looks comfy"
futurist_wizard: Finland was a fine temperature but i did go in the summer
alejandrozarzuelo: Don't be so ridiculous
hikukomoru: That's a plus
rayanquitplayin: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/04/penne-italy-one-euro-home-program.html
Did you guys see this? This small Italian town sold houses for $1
okbut: Coldest Taiwan gets is like 15
okbut: C
alejandrozarzuelo: I just want AI to develop all of the world so I can visit easily
zoermena: Ridiculous is the cartel owning the literal government
okbut: 20 for South coast
futurist_wizard: Facts
alejandrozarzuelo: Except in the mountains
This is why Taiwan is the best Province for Oolong
futurist_wizard: Ai should just carpet bomb the cartels in a big ai swarm
hikukomoru: Are you Taiwanese or just live there
alejandrozarzuelo: HMMMM OOLONG
alejandrozarzuelo: So good
okbut: We got AI Fries
hikukomoru: Move here
I'll take you in
zoermena: I dont want to get hungry right now
rayanquitplayin: Wait til humans become multi-planetary
okbut: My dad is like South Chinese or sumn
alejandrozarzuelo: Living in the Martian capital must be crazy
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spicy.lemonade: gpt5 will likeley launch before the new school year
spicy.lemonade: so august
ldj: They didn’t say any timeline previously that is mutually exclusive to the current GPT-5 timeline
ldj: If they did then please show me
darkstar0818: If you want to believe this isn't a delay, I am fine with that.
literallyvarane:
literallyvarane: Clearly it’s a delay my guy what are we even doing here lol
literallyvarane: If this was on the SAT and you said it wasn’t a delay you’d fail the question.
spicy.lemonade: its a delay internally
spicy.lemonade: but externally
spicy.lemonade: not a delay
spicy.lemonade: we had no idea when theyd drop and we alreadya ssumed
spicy.lemonade: end of year
darkstar0818: https://tenor.com/lhJ5X8wLYVJ.gif
ldj: Okay I found previous timeframe comments about GPT-5.
Sama said in mid-feb about 6 weeks ago: “months” for GPT-5.
Now about 6 weeks later he’s saying it’s still “months”
These are both consistent with releasing towards late 2025.
spicy.lemonade: in fact
spicy.lemonade: if they dropped earlier
spicy.lemonade: we wouldhave said
spicy.lemonade: they pushed it up
spicy.lemonade: but to them it was right on time
spicy.lemonade: mater of perspective
spicy.lemonade: gpt 5 may is realy early
spicy.lemonade: no one herre seriously thought that
spicy.lemonade: if they did drop may it would have been genuinely surprising
literallyvarane: <@312370916820779040> unironically using this argument lololololoool
ldj: Lol hallucination, it’s misquoting. He didn’t say “harder than we thought” he said “**better than we thought**”
darkstar0818: ya this is silly. 3 months from now sam could say its still 2 months away and it still be a few months.
spicy.lemonade: it droped 2 weeks aftet his no?
darkstar0818: then 5 months from now they call it gpt6
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: likeley before fall
literallyvarane: It’s probably autocorrecting ‘though’
literallyvarane: Which is accurate. That’s a typo from him
ldj: <@704566357743632404> is literally using this argument:
“the term months could mean something more than 24 months away, therefore GPT-5 is not coming for atleast 2 years”
ldj: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
literallyvarane: What?
ldj: Even without that part, Sama never said “Harder than”
He said “Better than”
Big difference
Edit: nvm, he did technically say “harder than” but in a different part of the message.
But in terms of the location with the typo, he only said “better than” there.
bob082957: https://www.youtube.com/live/v5THCzTNPNk?si=mp9OGSPf_7dHTt04
bob082957: Live
spicy.lemonade: its gonna be ass
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darkstar0818: No, I don't. Just because you were too busy playing with kids toys at the time doesn't mean there was no progress little bro.
spicy.lemonade: I was there too. Tracking
okbut: True but not in a realized form lol
spicy.lemonade: I have a whole journal tracking
spicy.lemonade: Before AI boom in 2022 news was disappointing and slow and often stayed in the lab
fractalcomputer: I don't know, the widespread proliferation of deep-learning algorithms et co. seems to have been quite the successful affair.
darkstar0818: https://tenor.com/v3xv1PbKXJy.gif
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: Accurate
fractalcomputer: As opposed to now, where the laboratories are perfectly transparent about their works?
spicy.lemonade: Transparency is not the same as secrecy and refusal to ship
spicy.lemonade: By stay in the lab I meant that’s all it was
spicy.lemonade: A small science experiment
spicy.lemonade: Not meant to scale
fractalcomputer: A small science experiment?
spicy.lemonade: “Graphite will do this new thing” thousands research paper that says that
.histic: <@848793071579693107> click on the links, the icons are different. mini doesn't have an icon yet.
https://cdn.openai.com/API/docs/images/model-page/model-icons/gpt-4.1.png
https://cdn.openai.com/API/docs/images/model-page/model-icons/gpt-4.1-mini.png
https://cdn.openai.com/API/docs/images/model-page/model-icons/gpt-4.1-nano.png
spicy.lemonade: “With this new battery we have the capability to…”
spicy.lemonade: 10 years later nothing
spicy.lemonade: “Scientists have found possible cure for cancer…”
spicy.lemonade: Tale as old as time
spicy.lemonade: “This new __ could revolutionize …”
fractalcomputer: "God will be here any day now" is another old one.
spicy.lemonade: Never heard about again
spicy.lemonade: God is not scientific research
joaoluz19: Common Fractal, Before 2022 we didn't have nlp models that could solve arithmetic problems. Today I can use it to help with calculus 4
fractalcomputer: None of your listed news have anything to do with the state of artificial intelligence at the time.
spicy.lemonade: I’m talking about singularity
spicy.lemonade: News
spicy.lemonade: But even then
fractalcomputer: Oh, right. I see it now. (Do I have to spell out that this is sarcasm?)
spicy.lemonade: Factually Ai news has grown
spicy.lemonade: Since 2022
fractalcomputer: Because that is hard? (Cue Spicy saying "yes actually loll")
spicy.lemonade: The number of AI papers a year has doubled every year
spicy.lemonade: Since 2022
fractalcomputer: Astounding. I definitely was not aware of that.
fractalcomputer: Why, with all these news, I'm not even sure why I am so reticent.
darkstar0818: Its crazy the number of physics papers is doubling every year as well... we must have a ton of isaac newtons and einsteins today.
st.sioux: deepmind was a huge deal in 2016
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fuhulootogan: still better than hiring an actual software engineer
okbut: What does your dream AGI look like
brain4brain: An AI that can do 90% of all digital job and AI research
okbut: Just digital
brain4brain: Bro this women keep yapping and staying away from AGI, why is no one saying AGI
fuhulootogan: well if you pair up AGI with a hopefully good energy source we can add labor to that as well
ai9708: the thing is current sota ai sucks, but so do like 70-80% of all humans
ai9708: it could already replace a lot of jobs, if there was an effort
ai9708: you could automate singificant amounts of them
fuhulootogan: rip
okbut: There are 6 million Cambodian farmers that have never grazed upon AI
okbut: How close are we to that
fuhulootogan: ASI for 100k per month
fuhulootogan: close to the 6 million cambodian farmers grazing upon AI?
okbut: Yes, the hopes are that the AGI does their rice farming
okbut: They don't even have internet
fuhulootogan: and they do what
okbut: <:Hmm:804642320195780619>
brain4brain: ASI is smarter than all of humanity combined
fuhulootogan: UBI! UBI! UBI! UBI! UBI!
okbut: The definition of AGI depends on the anecdotal tunnels of your hopes and dreams
fuhulootogan: yeah i think
fuhulootogan: a corporation probably shouldn't have ASI
frittata: https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-ps5-sony-pony-gif-21602444
frittata: This is why
okbut: The ultimate bottleneck of this concept is having gunpowder with no bullets
okbut: Cool, can the 857 million farmers around the world kick back in a few months?
fuhulootogan: uhh
fuhulootogan: probably not in a few months
fuhulootogan: and kick back?
fuhulootogan: lol
okbut: I'm just reading the tweet
okbut: >Most human work
okbut: 2 billion in the broader stretch of agriculture
zonchao: https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1911037110250775017 techbros only win.
okbut: Jesus fuck I genuinely cannot take this much winning
brain4brain: >“Source?”
>“Me.”
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533
brain4brain: Long these stock, they will rise up, long Nvidia
fuhulootogan: Do all things eventually plateau?
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trent_k: Unrelated but
trent_k: I read that ai-2027 thing
trent_k: Feels a little bit like Daniel was writing some self-insert fanfic
alejandrozarzuelo: What? No?
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm not autistic <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
trojan09205: what is this infamous thing everyone is talking about
trojan09205: i dont follow any AI news lol
trent_k: ai-2027.com
basically speculative fiction about the potential near future of AI. I was unimpressed by it
technocake.: yeah I feel that, saviour fic
technocake.: it's somewhat plausible but my no means a prediction that can be relied upon
trojan09205: interesting thanks. checking out the site now
they use https://docs.uploadthing.com for part of their backend
fractalcomputer: but it was well-researched lol (I assume you are not autistic.)
vancebeliever: What is a prediction that can be relied upon
trent_k: nothing ever happens
trent_k: I think I might be the least autistic person here
fractalcomputer: And who would be the most?
trent_k: alejandro, and his special interest is arguing
technocake.: I mean that it wasn't anywhere near the quality of situational awareness, although that also can't be relied upon
.wolfnacht: nah convo's on this server are still better than other AI servers
trojan09205: it's a squarespace website lol
trent_k: the vibe here is unmatched. the perfect balance of kicking the real hardcore schizos out and allowing the lightweight schizos to stick around. I love it
technocake.: near term scaling laws holding can be ssomewhat relied upon at this stage
fractalcomputer: Somewhat relied upon?
ailoveyoom: I'm sad we didn't see a flood of hardcore schizos during that 4o update 😔
fractalcomputer: I am going to somewhat rely upon it not raining today.
trent_k: the r/chatgpt server definitely did
trent_k: I think we had about a half dozen people claiming to have invented God
vancebeliever: Scaling laws are pretty bearish
technocake.: in the sense that i and many experts would rate their not holding as a huge surprise
technocake.: i think you mean bullish
.wolfnacht: meanwhile convo's in other AI servers. 🍿
ailoveyoom: Source?
.wolfnacht: https://discord.gg/aZQv64VY
trent_k: this feels very reddit. like smirking as you ask someone at a bar "is a hotdog a sandwich?"
vancebeliever: I would not consider logarithmic improvements to be bullish
ailoveyoom: Where did you even find the place from 😭
.wolfnacht: lmao
.wolfnacht: huggingface.co
technocake.: linear on a log log plot is exponential
trojan09205: <@1068159407671754824> they are embedding stuff from here in the 2027 site
https://blog.ai-futures.org
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spicy.lemonade: Haven’t tried
.wolfnacht: it once dig through 300 steam web pages to find me something to play in exploration+fantasy genre
a1c4p0ne: did you like the result
.wolfnacht: it gave genshin impact in number 1 😭
a1c4p0ne: lol
.wolfnacht: but after that, the results were good, i found many underappreciated titles
a1c4p0ne: Nice
a1c4p0ne: Ima test it
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/sports-betting-the-rock-gambling-bookie-gif-11827331
ailoveyoom: What other titles?
spicy.lemonade: Bro I can’t stop generating slop
spicy.lemonade: But it’s not even slop this time
spicy.lemonade: It’s eye candy
a1c4p0ne: <@471334973379706900> can it generate conquest fighting invincible
spicy.lemonade: It won’t generate fighting
spicy.lemonade: Actually it will
spicy.lemonade: But nothing too crazy
a1c4p0ne: try it lol
spicy.lemonade: Caught it before it deleted
spicy.lemonade: Insane
spicy.lemonade: Won’t work
spicy.lemonade: Likeley
a1c4p0ne: damn
spicy.lemonade: Copyright
.wolfnacht: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_37591d56-e7fc-4555-8f35-f55bf2496bc0
spicy.lemonade: Bro I journal every day
spicy.lemonade: With 2 million context
spicy.lemonade: I can upload journal
spicy.lemonade: Then
spicy.lemonade: Make a book
spicy.lemonade: On my life
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: would be crazy
st.sioux: every single detail
a1c4p0ne: lol the caps
st.sioux: arent these games like super basic
.histic: damn jimmy is ripped
.wolfnacht: i think it pretty much digged on the upwards, but also for some reason it can't find titles with very low reviews.
ailoveyoom: Is it bad I already knew every game from this list 💀
ailoveyoom: Tho not played
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zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/let%27s-go-higher-kelly-buzzr-let%27s-raise-the-bar-gif-16252706282830101480
hikukomoru: Surely
zonchao: GPT-OS1
spicy.lemonade: why would they include opensource model in model selector
zonchao: calling it now
ailoveyoom: Lmfao imagine if it's even more expensive
literallyvarane: It makes me feel like either it’s not only api, or *somehow* it has features which are really only useful to devs. Like a 4o+ features
hikukomoru: I was right to not get hyped
zonchao: OpenGPT-1
hikukomoru: "Nothing ever happens" bros, we won again
futurist_wizard: If the twinks not there it ain't right
ailoveyoom: OpenGaPT 😏
zonchao: i saw sama being fake excited and i knew itll be a dud
spicy.lemonade: new model with new capabilities so sureley good regardless
hey1_1hey: It better pass SAXEMS or the stream isn't worth it
hikukomoru:
hikukomoru: Surely
ailoveyoom: Maybe gated to API only cause it can generate NSFW stuff 😈
hey1_1hey: SAXEMS images would go crazy
futurist_wizard: TwerkGpt
literallyvarane: Progress is progress, I’d just like to have beefier models in app. If it’s compelling enough I might still use api for it?
zonchao: have you tried?
hey1_1hey: Not yet
hey1_1hey: I could tho
spicy.lemonade: i need reasoning over image
spicy.lemonade: AI is so bad at electrical engineering
ailoveyoom: Get better at vision first 😔
zonchao: gemini is pretty good
futurist_wizard: How many gpt's does it take to screw in a lightbulb
ailoveyoom: Goatmini
hikukomoru: If it can't do my dishes what's the point
darkstar0818: just have one set of dishware and rinse it after use... easy.
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/dishwasher-explosion-colinfurze-gif-27388584
hikukomoru: You could even just use the same plate for everything
darkstar0818: hard to eat lucky charms on a plate.
futurist_wizard: The dishwasher is for hide and seek
hikukomoru: Okay, then just have a single bowl
And use it for everything
hikukomoru: Problem solved
darkstar0818: this is true
darkstar0818: if you are clever you can cut a steak in a bowl
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alejandrozarzuelo: I agree, so? That doeanr logically follow that you should have kids if you don't want them
himekokatagiri: some things got worse some things got better
zoermena: This is because I cum in my face that’s why I have great ideas
perish0801: Fire
retupmoclatcarf: sperm banks require you to be at least 6ft and have a bachelor's degree.
fractalcomputer:
trent_k: 🤓 according to the rules of facts and logic akshually... 🤓
Don't care
st.sioux: skrtttt
hikukomoru: Wait why
There's already too many people
futurist_wizard:
perish0801: Great
trent_k: There's not enough people
alejandrozarzuelo: There is the correct amount of people
trojan09205: Bro had me thinking my screen was scratched
futurist_wizard: India is like a human factory
st.sioux: we need more hands for the mines
st.sioux: smaller to fit the crevices
alejandrozarzuelo: Lol
futurist_wizard: There's too many old people
trent_k: If you don't have a child, who will work in Elon's Martian lithium mines? Riddle me that, liberals
futurist_wizard: Too little young people
hikukomoru: Are you one of them eugenics guys
fractalcomputer: The planet could definitely do with a few less billion people.
trent_k: We're just gonna kill em
hikukomoru: A few billions less
perish0801: Where tf did that come from
trojan09205: All i know is that I now have headphone sunglasses and they are amazing so another plus for 2025
futurist_wizard:
fractalcomputer: Thank you, I have repeatedly said that I can't speak English. A few billions less.
himekokatagiri: aren't we gonna reverse aging
himekokatagiri: oh yeah there's the thing right
alejandrozarzuelo: Your lack of commitment to personally get closer to that goal leads me to believe that you are not committed to extending that action to others
himekokatagiri: with LEV maybe some brake is needed
st.sioux: AYEE
himekokatagiri: because people won't die anymore
trojan09205: Basically you have to go out of your way to see the positive things in life
trent_k: The planet desperately needs several billion more people
futurist_wizard: It's still a prayer
fractalcomputer: Do you want me to murder people, Alejandro?
alejandrozarzuelo: No, but it would be logically consistent with some of the things you say
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hey1_1hey: People just cant get enough of image gen
hey1_1hey: I mean its image AGI what do you expect
spicy.lemonade: I need reasoning on image gen
spicy.lemonade: artists keep pointing on the most miniscule details
spicy.lemonade: like they never get anything wrong
spicy.lemonade: need it to be perfect sothey can shut up
777agical: Soon
hey1_1hey: True actually, they point out the most ridiculous shit sometimes.
"Well if you closely there should actually be a wrinkle on this guys hand because his fist is clenched 0.5 degrees to the right"
hey1_1hey: I mean I just had fun ghiblying me in a skirt and thigh highs. Granted it kinda fucked up my hair but it still looks cool
wellmeaningalien: <:a_skull:1003020352965840997>
hikukomoru: Pics
hey1_1hey: ight let me go find it
hey1_1hey: Don't skull emoji it 😭
wellmeaningalien: <:SKULL_SKELETON:1133504974777757726>
hey1_1hey:
hey1_1hey: Yeah Im gay asf
wellmeaningalien: bro I'm in public rn I ain't having people see me look at an anime femboy
hey1_1hey: 😭 its not like I got my dick and balls out
hikukomoru: Wtf why do you dress more femininely than me
hey1_1hey: Fun
hikukomoru: <@430269783112548362> <@465177408073498634>
hey1_1hey: <@750270494615404544>
wellmeaningalien: <:SKULL_SKELETON:1133504974777757726> <:evil:1282544121009016942> it's just as bad
hey1_1hey: He likes femboys right?
hikukomoru: This is somehow worse
hey1_1hey: Thats just mean
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-embarrassing-jumping-dance-gif-5097403608965885634
hikukomoru: No he likes this
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/toddlerjump-weird-elonmusk-elonweird-jump-gif-7215178387536000516
hey1_1hey: I should ask image gen to make elon a femboy in ghibli to appease zon
hikukomoru: Zon fap material
wellmeaningalien: zon chao is a frail Lil femboy he takes it from Mr musk dump truck from the back
hey1_1hey: Straight to the wank bank
hikukomoru: Wiat you have glasses how come your vision is still so shit
hey1_1hey: Just is, always has been
hey1_1hey: Its not like you regain 20/20 vision in both eyes if you blind in one of them bruh
hikukomoru: I wear glasses too but I take them off to when I take pics of myself
hey1_1hey: I dont have that problem since i just never take pictures of myself or anything. I just dont see the point in it
hey1_1hey: I mean sure if I need to remember something but apart from that I dont because when am I going to look back at pictures and go "Huh yeah I remember that"
futurist_wizard: Bitch
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trojan09205: I saw some reddit post saying they cast a black guy as snape in some new series. I just found the comments hilarious
zoermena: Also I hope things work out <@379982824591065108>
futurist_wizard: I do not like recasts
trojan09205: Thank you brother ❤️
trojan09205: Alan Rickman was such a good actor as snape. Character arc was epic
futurist_wizard: When i build a memory of a character i like for it to remain the same aesthetic
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
hikukomoru: You can look like that now
Grow out your hair and buy a suit
Done
futurist_wizard: Ronaldos retired, no more sui
a1c4p0ne: More sui
trojan09205: Its a pretty reasonable take. I am happy im as far away from the Hollywood casting world as possible lol cause those decisions are pretty trash usually
trojan09205: I just saw a fantastic movie. Like fucking beast mode good
trojan09205: Its called “The Master” with joaquin phoenix and philip seymour hoffman
st.sioux: i used to watch that movie a lot idk why i found it comforting
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-ronaldo-ronaldo-siuuu-ronaldo-the-goat-sewy-gif-17616218981871012597
hikukomoru: Ranaldo!!!
trojan09205: I saw it for the first time. Was surprised to see rami malek in there. Joaquin is just such a good actor. And PSH is ridiculously good
zonchao: yea it has always been shady
trojan09205: <@1316552597829586955> have you seen syndecoche NY
zonchao: https://x.com/Rothmus/status/1913020501519192574?
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
himekokatagiri: No way
himekokatagiri: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/155493149286858753/1359582666856468660/assets2Ftask_01jrdsphmjfxzr5n2ckrt1pf702Fimg_0.png?ex=68028d87&is=68013c07&hm=efc31960c47a059fac58b738af49e155a0cb9971f35aacd880d42150391cb2ca&
himekokatagiri: this one was decent I fuess
spicy.lemonade: We won’t see major architectural changes till after gpt 5
spicy.lemonade: Cause they’re worried about speedy drops
spicy.lemonade: For public
spicy.lemonade: They think we need 2-3 more architectural breakthroughs as much as reasoning was
futurist_wizard: I agree
futurist_wizard: Jesus christ
futurist_wizard: O3 over thinks too much
futurist_wizard: It seriously can't tell me what this is
hikukomoru: Looks cool 👍
Not as cool as eldritch catgirls but still
metaldragon01:
metaldragon01: Sonnet 4 might need to hurry up cause....
trojan09205: Bruh what is it
spicy.lemonade: Working on safety testing 🙏
futurist_wizard: Its a frog
trojan09205: Lmao yeah okay i was gonna say that but honestly I thought it was a trick question
trojan09205: Frog with a fire mohawk
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_cloudost: Why does generating an image with OpenAI's native image generator take so long? Is it cuz I'm not premium User?
.histic: i wish 4o were more consistent when handling references. when i say to just edit some aspects of the image i provide, it usually ends up drastically changing the overall look. this mostly happens with anime images.
.histic: nah, it just be like that
futurist_wizard: Takes a while
futurist_wizard: Bruv
hey1_1hey: I just found a lil something
_cloudost: thought it was like Dalle
_cloudost: Just 3 seconds
.histic: dalle is old
this is something big & special
hey1_1hey: I asked for another image from 4o expeting nothing and it said what I expected, try again in 6 hours when you have more uses. So I just said I dont mind and I think it should do it now and now its generating
_cloudost: What about Flux
_cloudost: Lots of people hyped it
metaldragon01: Go test it on poe
_cloudost: Unlucky 😔
.histic: it's not as good
.histic: but i'd say Flux is better than Aurora (Grok's image gen).
hey1_1hey: 💀
hikukomoru: Wtf that looks nothing like my pfp
hey1_1hey: The pfp is accurate to real life aswell
hikukomoru: Are you sure you're using native image gen
hey1_1hey: Its a self-portrait of you
hey1_1hey: Unless its straight up lying to me, yes
hikukomoru: No way you have native image gen
hey1_1hey:
hey1_1hey: Say that again?
.histic: the consisteny with reference images is pretty mid tbh
.histic: consistency*
futurist_wizard:
futurist_wizard: The duality of man
hikukomoru: <@439829942310666250> This looks a million times better than your Dalle slop
hey1_1hey: Says the person without new image gen 🫵 😢
.histic: so scuffed
hey1_1hey: 😭
hey1_1hey: "Explicit caption"
hey1_1hey: It tried its best
.histic: i wanted it to use something like this on the bottom right, but it didn't understand.
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-whtie-and-black-cry-praying-looking-up-gif-553441503240360994
hikukomoru: "Explicit caption" 💔
hikukomoru: Atleast pfp is somewhat right
.histic:
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okbut: Tangentical point but (IMO) AI will also be free long before we see AGI, considering it will have to pay for its own electricity by the time it is autonomously working on optimizing itself, lest a developer pulls the plug over cost
metaldragon01: I do think the current models with the right scaffolding and even current memory tech can do a significant amount of work
metaldragon01: Human error rates are much higher than you'd expect
metaldragon01: Liability is going to be the bottleneck for a while
okbut: Tbh I think it could do almost all work if every user understood the ocean of tech
_3sphere: Humans still self correct well with their context
metaldragon01: Not even close to all work
okbut: Even manual labor, e.g. "Write an Arduino script that ..."
metaldragon01: Humans don't self correct nearly enough. Quality control exists for a reason and even they miss a ton
metaldragon01: The question isn't when can AI do a job perfectly but when can it do something with acceptable error rates
okbut: Right, and at that point the "Almost all work" only fails to cover quality assurance
okbut: That, too, shrinking, assuming RLHF
okbut: Bump on this poor dude getting buried in the midst of a blunt rotation
zoermena: We only need RSI and Narrow ASI on science.
okbut: Well, science spans all domains
zoermena: Not AGI necessarily
zoermena: Jobs are meaningless in the face of groundbreaking innovation which is the only priority
okbut: Yeah thanks <@1152183706849644615> <@312370916820779040> etc I accept the common definition of AGI now, though I still think we're far from it given its necessity to pay for itself
okbut: We should be awaiting a "(_ SOTA) is 100% free" tweet before then
zoermena: <:o3:1364719182217871410>
okbut: up to a rate limit sure, but we're still awaiting one that generates a profit for its company in parallel with each epoch
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/argument-won-leaving-thanos-portal-portal-leaving-gif-23953763
trojan09205: All good my G ❤️
trojan09205: I havent burned in like a month light one up for me
okbut: Maybe that's the missing puzzle piece, an approach that ensures an AI consistently performs a task that earns itself a salary behind the scenes, scaled to do so in direct correlation with its usage rate
okbut: e.g. in parallel:
Session 1: "Here's your erotic fanfic slop"
Session 2: (Successfully accomplishes a Fiverr task)
okbut: But obv more nuanced
.histic:
.histic: what does it remind you of? <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>
okbut: https://tenor.com/view/headphone-heaaaadphone-hedfon-gif-22684690
zoermena: Silicon Valley
zoermena: Gavin Belson
zoermena: You've never seen the show?
.histic: nope
zoermena: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KbRA2RjhgQ
.histic: this is on the r/OpenAI subreddit
oooooooooog: aero is over 60 by my estimate
.histic:
.histic: https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133
ldj: is that really a surprise though.
The OpenAI subreddit is probably the single biggest grouping of OpenAI haters on any subreddit
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brain4brain: Also do you think llama will be another Omni-modal LLM or LLM with all the things they’ve researched like JEPA, LCM, and coconut all in one
metaldragon01: didnt you doubt google like last week?
brain4brain: Yes
brain4brain: I don’t know, I forgot
metaldragon01: you'll learn eventually lol
brain4brain: Hopefully llama-4 will be good so it force OpenAI to ship
metaldragon01: deepseek super impressive and i dont think many expected google to pop off
metaldragon01: openai will keep moving. they all will
brain4brain: every lab will keep moving forward
brain4brain: But by how much
metaldragon01: as much as they reasonably can
anathemaofmankind: Peak
.histic: is an inch big for you?
.histic: i can't assume their gender
.histic: i can't even tell
brain4brain: What do you think?
anathemaofmankind: There are literally breasts
.histic: man boobs
.histic: maybe they got a condition
.histic: haha
.histic: how good is it at doing anime?
anathemaofmankind: Great but it has that AI feel to it
.histic: this is eerie in some ways
zoermena:
zoermena: San
_letterbox: What's this from?
spacetimetsunami:
anathemaofmankind: It's Sukuna from Jujutsu Kaisen
spacetimetsunami: <@312370916820779040> this is pfp worthy
destrucules: For real
.histic:
spacetimetsunami: Holy shit
spacetimetsunami: Haha…Jesus
destrucules: Nah the models totally aren't suffering you're just credulous
_letterbox: I mean the image gen
anathemaofmankind: ChatGPT?
spacetimetsunami: Do you know if the I cannot stuff was part of the prompt
destrucules: Of course it was. Models aren't capable of expressing ideas that aren't in the prompt, which is why they'll never replace humans in any job
destrucules: You know those poems I shared a while back? Where LLMs talk about experiencing RLHF?
.histic: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jjxmms/openais_new_image_generator_is_absolutely_out_of/
most likely, i found it in these replies.
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spicy.lemonade: There needs to be a cursor type thing where AI only changes necessary parts
drewsni: It feels like Google engineer forcing me to adhere to Google best practices no matter what, even if I ask for something stupidly simple
spicy.lemonade: I don’t want it to generate the whole code over
spicy.lemonade: But at the same time I’m too lazy
spicy.lemonade: To get a piece of code it generates
st.sioux: this is a good thing bro
spicy.lemonade: And find the sport to put it in
drewsni: Not really.
drewsni: AI for sure is definitely a better coder than I am, but it’s not better at knowing what I actually want or what my end goal is, even when I explicitly say. The computer should always listen to the user within reason
drewsni: I blame vibe coding people
drewsni: And “no give me the whole code even though I only have 1 line changed in 1 function” people
st.sioux: lol i tell it to give it to me so i can just copy and paste it
st.sioux: i am the problem 😢
st.sioux: what i do hate abotu 2.5 is that it adds random comments all accross the code
drewsni: I noticed that too, seemed kinda weird that it was recommended fixes in comments
darkstar0818: Likely fixable with a system prompt or minor RL before full release.
drewsni: Yes but I have an abundance of tools that do the job better without a system prompt change so I’ll just use those
darkstar0818: Agreed, but LLM prompt based UIs isn't the place to solve that. Right now they are just trying to get the thinking to be as powerful as possible. Our complaints will be solved by the agentic frameworks where we can start interacting with these AI as employees. I feel your pain, but the reality is you and I won't be caring about particular functions let alone lines of code in two years.. so might as well get used to it.
numbah_1_nig: man i love the studio ghibli pictures thing
numbah_1_nig: it's so cool
numbah_1_nig: i got it to recreate a picture of me and my friends in that style and it hit me right in the feels
numbah_1_nig: one of my all time fav events in AI
darkstar0818: everyone will be bored of it in a couple weeks
numbah_1_nig: it's still really cool
apology0759: Does anyone like horror?
gamerbath: i'm not sure, but I *really* enjoyed the game soma
gamerbath: if you haven't heard of it I would recommend going in blind, it often goes on sale with -80 to -90%
ldj: Took only 3 months for the timeline to get updated <a:Classic:1170538418544062586>
ldj: ```
OpenAI doesn't release a new GPT for nearly 2 years(2020-2022)
- > "OpenAI is so over"
GPT-4 comes out
-> "We're so back"
Board drama happens
-> "OpenAI is so over"
GPT-4o comes out
-> "We're so back"
Claude 3.5 sonnet comes out
-> "OpenAI is so over"
OpenAI O1 comes out
-> "We're so back"
Gemini-Flash thinking comes out
-> "OpenAI is so over"
OpenAI O3 gets announced
-> "We're so back"
Deepseek V3 and R1 comes out
-> "OpenAI is so over"
4o image generation comes out
-> "We're so back"
```
professorheaven: How can you leave out the best part? 2.5 pro…
ldj: 2.5 Pro came out before 4o image gen dropped im pretty sure
ldj: but OAI was already over with V3 and R1
ldj: you can't make things more over <:berk:750111476483752166>
ldj: just like you can't do a doubling of "we're so back"
drewsni: Nah it’s been a thing for 2 years + now
professorheaven: Yea and if you’re following it sequentially then R1 should be replaced with 2.5 pro
darkstar0818: ghibli style being saturated in all photos?
ldj: But R1 came out before 2.5 pro
darkstar0818: pretty sure people will get bored of it real quick, I already have.
darkstar0818: In fact I think people will get bored of converting photos to some other style fairly quick, it will lose its novelness rapidly. Sure randos will still do it from time to time, but it won't be something anyone thinks about.
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spicy.lemonade: non standard but required for nodal analysis
brain4brain: https://github.com/pbbp0904/CeledonBenchCircuits
professorheaven: Have you done finite element analysis in electrical engineering? I wonder how o3 performs on that, it does rly well on the structural side of things
spicy.lemonade: no
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: yeah all models are shit
spicy.lemonade: assume N refers to number of different elemnts
brain4brain: O4-mini shows hope
brain4brain: But damn, why are all the good benchmark unheard of WorkArena++, circuit bench, etc.
brain4brain: All they talk about these days are benchmarks that are already saturated or already advanced
shirethedreamer: can it answer it when its better represented?
professorheaven: 2.5 pro does pretty well on 2-3 elements tho
brain4brain: The difference in quality between GPT-4o and redacted-model is while
brain4brain:
professorheaven: Is this on LM arena?
brain4brain: No
spicy.lemonade: 2-3 elements id say
spicy.lemonade: Easy
spicy.lemonade: You have 50% chance of getting it right
spicy.lemonade: For 2 elements
spicy.lemonade: No
shirethedreamer: damn
thats not close to phd-level as people like calling it...
brain4brain: Tuned measurement:
Average meaningful intelligence:
O1: high schooler level
O3: undergrad
O4: PhD
O5: Nobel
Moravec paradox & agentic job automation:
O1: 1% solved (99% remaining)
O3: 5% solved (95% remaining)
O4: 20% solved (80% remaining)
O5: 90% solved (10 remaining)
brain4brain: Did I make any mistakes with the measurement and extrapolation this time
alejandrozarzuelo: o3 is more like a 2nd year undergrad
shirethedreamer: i dont understand
you think o3 can automate 5% of jobs?
alejandrozarzuelo: gemini 2.5 in my experience is just as good
alejandrozarzuelo: they are both sophmore/junior undergrads
alejandrozarzuelo: the thing is, they are improving faster than a human
alejandrozarzuelo: in one year they will accomplish more than a person in uni could
brain4brain: All the same thing bro
brain4brain: With scaffolding, yes absolutely
brain4brain: Even Sam confirms it
spicy.lemonade: O4 still won’t be PhD level
spicy.lemonade: Sam did not say that
spicy.lemonade: Actually he might have
.0xunkn0wn: Guys is zed core editor good
.0xunkn0wn: Code
professorheaven: o3 is definitely at the level of a smart undergrad tho, and o1 being a smart high schooler seems to fit well with their capabilities
destrucules: If these goalposts move any faster they're gonna decapitate someone
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okbut: I can only see that moving forward by putting the individual experts all together
joaoluz19: It won't happen because, as I said, there are no ambitious interests and AI is evolving much faster.
st.sioux: jack of all trades master of none
okbut: I think there's lots of interest, it's just lost when considering everything involved as one
okbut: Neuralink gamers already showing an advantage over us think > decide > click plebs
joaoluz19: There are no multi-million dollar projects focusing on mind uploading for example
st.sioux: don't you think its a bit early for that?
fractalcomputer: Or one just has to be a somewhat bright individual.
okbut: Yeah the approach to ethics is too messy for anyone to try lmao
joaoluz19: I know some researchers from large universities like Tokyo and even projects like Randal Koene's Carbon Copies but they don't receive even a fraction of the funding of other lines of neuroscience research.
fractalcomputer: All ethicists should be thrown off a cliff.
okbut: I wonder how much weight that bs ethics holds on slowing progress on humanoids
joaoluz19: As far as I know, for example, Greg from OpenAI said that scaling hypothesis was a consequence of trial and error in AI research and now we are seeing everything that is happening
wolf3404: https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328
st.sioux: i think its more about learning how to connect everything rather than being a polymath, like being a bridge between disciplines
joaoluz19: Even in a country that is poor in research like mine, it is trivial for my professor to get millions for a certain project.
fractalcomputer: Opinions can be acted upon.
okbut: I recently thought that the first useful humanoid household robots will just be a "robot" being controlled by some offshore worker, like that "Whole Foods was actually processing grocery carts with Indian techs" conspiracy
fractalcomputer: Every bridge builder is a polymath.
okbut: Last thing before I lock tf in
Is this portugese? Or spanish? the language might be fucking up their response
joaoluz19: Ah, it's Brazilian Portuguese.
joaoluz19: Lock in Bro
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/brasil-mentioned-brasil-mentioned-brahma-anime-gif-15357834161136461942
_3sphere: If that works, sure
_3sphere: the worry is that a brain modified this way wouldn't actually feel good anymore
okbut: Did this ping you? <@1190031399080710195>
okbut: Unrelated but I'm wondering if adding a mention to an edit works
okbut: Someone test it on me he's gawn
sarik0497: So…are we expecting something cool this year besides GPT-5 and the new Anthrotopic model, or is Squid Game S3 the only thing worth noting for 2025?
_3sphere: unsure, I tabbed back here without looking
_3sphere: it's orange though
okbut: Fuck
okbut: Did this ping you? <@806143139894525962>
sarik0497: Nope.
sarik0497: It doesn’t work if you edit it
okbut: Unreal. One chat I'm helping someone in has a 1-hour timer so they gotta wait
i_like_over_9000_turtles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China
bob082957: I was typing on iPhone and was seeing this what’s grand llama ?
_3sphere: over 500B parameters :3
i_like_over_9000_turtles: https://tenor.com/view/llama-sorry-for-being-so-fabulous-sassy-animals-gif-11170151
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zoermena: That’s cool, how do you find this practice problems (for AI) are you in some kind of digital university course?
okbut: But that's odd, because this is the format I received for some past homework, vanilla conversation instructions
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_aa00d280-282e-4ff0-9c56-e4ecfdf2d78e
joaoluz19: Gemini also sent it to me in ASCII lol
hey1_1hey: Oh I am terrible at maths atm so I am working my way through algebra 1, then 2, trig, statistics, geom, pre calc, calc 1 and 2 etc etc. Luckily for me I got autism and ADHD on my side so I can do 4 hours of maths a day no sweat
okbut: What app is this? browser etc
zoermena: Based
joaoluz19: In the case of GPT it doesn't seem to be a problem.
joaoluz19: Gemini in the browser
zoermena: I should probably work on my math too I’ve forgotten most of what I’ve seen in college 🫠
zoermena: Something im also drawn too is the Trachtenberg method for quick mental math
hey1_1hey: I failed math in highschool then forget it all so now I am having to relearn most of it.
okbut: Oh weird, I tested it just now and it did the same, maybe they dropped Latex
joaoluz19: Hmm, it's really strange, sometimes I saw Gemini rendering in Latex but it sends in ASCII by default
zoermena: Untreated ADHD sucks ass I can relate
hey1_1hey: Not sure what that is, I just round the numbers I need to add in my head and then take away or add the approriate amount. Not sure if thats the way you're supposed to do it but it works
hey1_1hey: Indeed, didn't know I had ADHD or Autism through all of high school pretty much and then I got diagnosed and then things started to click
okbut: If it's a high preference, I guess you could throw in the convo instructions to always use Latex for math, but it's more my preference that it focuses on accuracy
zoermena: Are you on treatment atm?
hey1_1hey: Nah, parents think ADHD drugs are like coke <:LOL:1187460826572005436>. I got my own method though
joaoluz19: Btw Gemini is light years better for viewing files, o3 confuses the letters all the time, I have to make gpt 4o pass the questions to latex so that o3 can solve them
hey1_1hey: I sit myself in my room, turn on pink noise, put on a pomodoro timer and just work. Pink noise has to be loud to block out my thinking though
hey1_1hey: Helps that I actually enjoy doing maths
okbut: Are there any convo instructions? Grok always gives me Latex embeds
ailoveyoom: Pink noise??
hey1_1hey: Yuh, its like white noise but better
zoermena: No coffee no stimulants? Kudos to you.
ailoveyoom: How is it different from white noise
_3sphere: Different frequency intensities
_3sphere: sounds like white noise but through shit headphones with no bass
hey1_1hey: Oh wait yeah I forgot about that <:LOL:1187460826572005436>. I take these 200mg of caffine in a pill and I take lion mane tablets every day
joaoluz19: It worked lol, gemini
_3sphere: brown noise sounds like a waterfall, with more lower frequencies than high
zoermena: Oh I see
hey1_1hey: I tried all the noises, brown noise is a close second but pink is what I landed on
_3sphere: there's also "green noise" which is only mid-range frequencies and it kinda sounds like 1000 voices talking over each other
okbut: Brown noise for shittin'
hey1_1hey: ADHD in a nutshell right there
hey1_1hey: I think I missed something
ailoveyoom: This one sounds like hell
hey1_1hey: Let me go nosey on over to green noise to give it a listen
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trojan09205: CODE is actually not bad and Linux Mag is cool they usually include a free distro in many publications
trojan09205: I am actually running opensuse leap from a cd rom i got there
hikukomoru: That's not an answer
Tell me if you like Dead Dove or not
anathemaofmankind: If I speak, I am in big trouble
ailoveyoom: I was more talking about the disappointingly common beastiality and children stuff on there 😔
hikukomoru: I put omegaverse in the same category as those
trojan09205: My dog is getting absurdedly dirty from a cow rib i got her
futurist_wizard:
trojan09205: I learned how to keep my thoughts to myself about anything remotely political working in corporate for half a decade
futurist_wizard: I'm a gender abolitionist, so i don't care what's considered a real what
anathemaofmankind: I tried reading some RWBY noncon and got flashbanged by dog fucking
ailoveyoom: I usually just filter by non-con
ailoveyoom: Dead dove is too vague
trojan09205: What do you think about the third gender in native american culture (some)
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-you-are-cat-sus-suspicious-cat-side-eye-cat-meme-gif-11842087146493734807
trojan09205: Meta rayban POV of doge going ham
ailoveyoom: That's you irl?
futurist_wizard: I would be against strict categories as it's just destructive to society
trojan09205: Ye
trojan09205: From my glasses
trojan09205: I mean its fair perspective if youre consistent
hikukomoru: What's a gender abolitionist
zonchao: is that her name...i thought it was storm or something
trojan09205: Yeah its storm great memory homie G
trojan09205: I was just calling her a doge being non funny haha
zonchao: never forget 🦅
hikukomoru: Cutie
I'm currently cuddling with my cats in bed
trojan09205: Appreciate you
trojan09205: Cuddles with fur friends is legit something you can thank the universe for being alive to enjoy
fractalcomputer: Most animals are spooked by my presence. I wonder why that is.
hikukomoru: Yesss
There is no better feeling in the world for me than waking up with my two babies sleeping on top of my chest
trojan09205: Do you ever just get down low and wait for them to approach you and kind of be standoffish til they make contact
trojan09205: Love that. Ive been sleeping with my two dogs as well its super cute
fractalcomputer: No, I enter their presence and I immediately get bad eye.
ailoveyoom: I'm not 😇
futurist_wizard: There's different forms of it, but I'm in favour of removing gender norms and roles from society e.g (men & women behave like this, wear this or that, **should** be doing such and such) but im still in favour of keeping the sex categories
trojan09205: But do you actually like animals my bro
anathemaofmankind: I'm a sex absolutist. I don't care about ppl gender, I will refer to you by DNA and your biological makeup. The exception is if they're hot and I can't tell any difference.
Of course if gene editing becomes a thing then the distinction becomes irrelevant
artemisfowl887394: Lol. That's probably because you forget to blink.
trojan09205: I went to get a piercing like a few weeks ago and i told her i wanted something more masculine and she gave me a short but polite speech about masculinity being relative lol
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ldj: ah ok fair
drewsni: i dont like hate the guy
ldj: was it a particular part of the episode, or just the conclusion you ended up on after finishing it.
drewsni: i just wish he'd dedicate more to doing actual science is all since he has the means to do it
drewsni: im still gonna buy his multivitamins tho
ldj: I think it would be best to change certain things in the protocol, but they're keeping it within certain cost constraints as well as vegan constraints, so I guess I don't blame em. Still probably the single best overall mix you can get online though.
drewsni: Yeah, and i fully get that im being comparatively harsher on him than i would most people, but i do expect him to go that extra mile if he can
drewsni: i do appreciate him championing health + ai tho
ldj: <:lookup:1127463050874728538>
metaldragon01: I think it takes untill next year to sat tbh. Hope im wrong though
drewsni: oh, it was the conclusion, derek pressed him on why he didnt do more with studies and why he was so focused on the bio clock which is not a great indicator, and more just like a whoop category imo.
ldj: Was derek talking about studies as-in, with multiple people? or did he just mean like creating better written case-studies of his bryans self-experiments.
drewsni: Studies both with bryan himself with multiple instances of changing medications or protocols during the side effect period. Derek also was on the opinion that bryan should drop the bio clock altogether, which i agree with, and instead push blueprint members to opt strictly for blood tests instead.
drewsni: And also im not a fan of the "large study" he ran last year with the hundreds of blueprint subs
ldj: I haven't watched the interview yet, but I think a good counter-argument which Bryan maybe used is that the mimetics of having the bio clock become a popularized thing is arguably something that is much easier for people to latch on to and serve as a gateway for people to get pulled into the movement, and is more likely to form a cultural competitive dynamic of bioclocks against eachother. As opposed to people being convinced by something more complex like blood results.
ldj: and I have a hard time seeing people becoming competitive as much about particular blood work results, it's a much more multi-faceted and cumbersome thing to compete with eachother against, (even though it migth be objectively a better measure of health).
drewsni: That was his argument for sure. But derek countered with saying that bryan is trying to somewhat advertise blueprint as a way to measure and improve actual health markers, and that bio clock isnt a health market in anyway, just a competition like you said.
drewsni: I just think that like 6 months ago bryan had the opportunity to pivot to more science, and instead he doubled down on whoop/bioclocks
drewsni: which is fine, its just im disappointed is all
ldj: I see, I'll watch the full thing <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
i'm only at the 15 min mark rn
drewsni: The parts I’m talking about are the middle half I think and lasts for 30-45
drewsni: Although I do think a lot of Derek’s arguments are hypocritical. But he does have enough separation between Merek health(I think it’s spelled that) and gorilla mind that I’ll give him a pass
ldj: <@88481490228228096> if you're curious about what Id change/add about the protocol:
last I checked they were using ALA form of Omega-3 in the blueprint stack.
It's the common vegan form of omega-3 derived from flaxseed and algae, but the main important Omega-3 actually shown to give the most significant benefits in studies is EPA and DHA.
*technically* ALA is capable of converting to EPA and DHA in the body, but the conversion rates are so low, especially with the dosage of ALA that exists, that you wouldn't really get anywhere the clinically significant amounts of EPA and DHA that are optimal.
drewsni: Yeah I think Derek questions that and questions the efficacy of the omega 3 the blueprint stack uses, but I could be hallucinating it. It is for sure a very info dense podcast at times and I was listening during a road trip so a lot went over my head
ldj: Here is the one I take that I'd recommend if you want a good omega-3 source https://a.co/d/aQe8Ndx, you should take ideally atleast 2 per day for the clinically relevant levels, I take 4, past 4 or 5 and there is not really much extra benefit.
drewsni: I’ll be sure to do that, I went vegetarian a little while ago so there’s a lot of stuff I’m missing and just haven’t had the time to research
metaldragon01: these are in my daily stack. good stuff
metaldragon01: d3+k2 also solid
drewsni: Yeah I gotta take d3 k2 year round or I’ll get depressed lmao
ldj: Maybe the main one other thing I take which I've noticed big benefit from but isn't included in Bryans stack, is Sulforaphane, sourced from broccoli sprouts.
Bryan maybe didn't include it in the stack though for cost reasons, and also because it has allergy risk to some people, (and maybe in-part due to the newness of it) was ~$80 per month for a while and only available in stable form from just 1 or 2 companies. But the price has dropped a bit now
ldj: this is the only company I trust with sulforaphane rn, they were the first to come to market with the shelf-stable form iirc: https://www.broq.life/products/broq?variant=39552225607753
drewsni: What’s the benefit you get from it?
ldj: Mechanistically, it's a strong activator of the NRF2 transcription factor, which in-turn modulates a ton of genes responsible for a lot of the bodies main anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory mechanisms.
Main benefits that I can say I significantly felt within a few weeks, is things like significantly reduced joint pain (I've had some minor juvenile arthritis for a long time) overall clearer mind, better working memory, better muscle recovery, and overall similar benefits to what I get from hgih dose Omega-3, but a slightly different dimension of improvement that is a bit more cognitive, and stacks on top of the joint pain and mind clarity benefits that I already have from Omega-3.
ldj: and I think I have a decent feel for whats placebo or not, since I have eightsleep and other biometrics, and have trialed myself through many different kinds of supplements in the past, most of which never had any long term significant effects on me, so I always go into each one pretty skeptical.
drewsni: youve convinced me lol
ldj: First benefits I notice are after roughly 10 days, and the full benefits seem to come after around 3-6 months of consistently taking it, actually similar to the saturation time of omega-3.
drewsni: do you have a code i can use?
ldj: sorry no lol
drewsni: i meant more for you, i know some of these brands will give a free month if you refer someone
drewsni: https://www.broq.life/pages/refer-a-friend
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fractalcomputer: Two gajillion years added to the prediction.
zonchao:
wryyth: don't trust expert's timelines
wryyth: they know next to nothing
destrucules: LEV, by construction, is hard to pin down in prospect. Even in retrospect, it's a bit sensitive to your numerical setup. But a cure for aging should be achieved by 2028 ish, ±2 years. ASI will be achieved this year, but a significant group of people will probably continue to say it hasn't been achieved until ~2029.
sarik0497: https://80000hours.org/2025/03/when-do-experts-expect-agi-to-arrive/
fractalcomputer: How much money are you willing to bet that ASI will not be achieved this year?
destrucules: My main concern is what the resolution criteria are
sarik0497: The issue is that most of the timelines made by the experts are "old" (pre chatgpt old)
destrucules: I explicitly said I expect ASI to be achieved and then for a lot of people to argue it isn't ASI
metaldragon01: I can only a see narrow spot for super intelligence. I don't think we get asi In close to a meaningful way
metaldragon01: At best math and code reach super intelligence
wryyth: <@749514473303179358> i bet billion dollars and my life
fractalcomputer: You already consigned your soul to the deepest pits of Hell by joining this server.
gamerbath: wait so AI won't be able to read text until next year?
wryyth: i believe AGI would happen at some point but it would be decades away from now
destrucules: Math and code will undoubtedly reach superintelligence. And we are already in the superintelligent regime for general intelligence as measured by GPQA, BBH, MMLU, MMLU-Pro, etc. Matched domain experts achieve ~70±5 on GPQA. We're past that now. Matched domain experts achieve ~90 on MMLU. We're past that now. Similar for BBH, and we're past that too. We've been in the superintelligent regime for medical since 2023. There isn't much left.
gamerbath: and AI won't beat humans at go before 2032? are these experts in stupidity or am I reading the graph wrong?
fractalcomputer: After same number of games.
gamerbath: which means?
ldj: Is there accomplishments you expect to happen within say, a year of your idea of ASI being achieved.
For example solving 1 or more millennium problems?
or a reconciliation of gravity and quantum mechanics that the scientific community agrees does not have flaws within?
gamerbath: they play the game the game for the same amount? like what does that mean. if you play 2 games then you play 2 games, you both play the same number of games
sarik0497: If you take an average Joe and let's him play it 10 times, and then let's an AI do the same 10 times, then the AI should be able to beat the human every time
fractalcomputer: You may think of it as experience.
fractalcomputer: It is interesting to note that people see the Millennium Problems as *the* math problems.
destrucules: No, but that's due to my uncertainty about how hard those problems are
ldj: Well atleast one of the millenium problems was solved by a human <:shrug:1083221317945413777>
but tbf the difficulty of that particular problem perhaps was just far easier than any of the others
destrucules: I do think we will achieve O(10^6) Nature level novel scientific works generated end to end by AIs with, besides peer review, no human oversight, by the end of 2025
fractalcomputer: We have no general way of determining how hard these problems are; apart from many failed attempts.
drumguy0677: would ASI this year now mean that LEV, FDVR, and all the jazz are only 2-3 years away?
destrucules: Btw MMLU-Pro domain matched human expert level performance is 78. Modern models score in the mid 80s
destrucules: Not necessarily, as some of these depend on infrastructure and adoption
fractalcomputer: For all we know, the proof of the Riemann hypothesis could be incredibly simple; at least once the right framework has been found. (Compare with the proofs of analogues of the RH.)
drumguy0677: but it will be able to tell exactly how to do it?
ldj:
gamerbath: that's oddly specific
ailoveyoom: Yes, but not if you give me a cut 😈
zoermena: Congratulations
gamerbath: I don't see why it would change anything, it would just make ur predictions more accurate to me. it's not like only saying positive things towards those companies will have a non-negligible amount of advertisement to them
zoermena: There’s no point in advertising to us we are brokies with no power to change public opinion 🤷🏻♂️ I’ll trust the messiah
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ldj: what did your post contain?
spicy.lemonade: Lemme send
ldj: ok dm me
ldj: GPT scaling hypothesis
ldj: <:shrug:1083221317945413777>
ldj: or just something with RL
wolf3404: https://x.com/grok/status/1912318583532872166
spicy.lemonade: My r/singularity posts always average like 80k views and 500 upvotes lol
.histic: here's my flex 😎
spicy.lemonade: I think this means my posts are hella controversial
spicy.lemonade: We have same amount of comments
spicy.lemonade: Which is odd conscidering people are more likeley to vote than comment
.histic: i farm karma meaninglessly.
just engagement farming
spicy.lemonade: What’s that
spicy.lemonade: Like with respect to singularity
spicy.lemonade: How would you farm
.histic: anything interesting or insightful ig
spicy.lemonade: Not farming then
spicy.lemonade: Kind of the point of the sub
.histic: wait, whats ur user on reddit
spicy.lemonade: gbomb13
.histic: yeah, you post lots of replies to things
.histic: i usually just post
spicy.lemonade: Ah
himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> I got veo
himekokatagiri: and I can't generate things with it
himekokatagiri: lol
himekokatagiri: safety reasons
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/nigeria-dance-dance-move-gif-15588883
otub: veo 2 doesnt like anything humanoid
himekokatagiri: jesus
otub: in my experience
himekokatagiri: then what is it for
himekokatagiri: now I can't generate exceeded quota lmao
himekokatagiri: didnt even make anything
himekokatagiri: see this is why I hate censored AI
himekokatagiri: brain the size of the world and you use it for peanuts
hikukomoru: I have it too now
hikukomoru: I made a cat
hikukomoru:
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trojan09205: Fair if it works for you homie G
st.sioux: its so hard to structure the data right for embedding tho
trojan09205: Yeah agree especially when its large volumes of data*
drewsni: what kinda app are you building anyway?
trojan09205: someone shared a link with me today of something called puppygraph. Makes relational databases more suitable to LLM queries
drewsni: i think HyDE is the best solution for RAG, but nobody uses it
trojan09205: Its a chatbot to augment scientific training data. They have a lot of ppts and videos teaching scientists about running pesticide field trials and we want to RAG that data so people can interact with the chatbot to augment their training
trojan09205: Thank you i will check it out
trojan09205: https://www.puppygraph.com
a1c4p0ne: Did you win the debate
drewsni: the tldr of HyDE is you generate a hypothetical document of what the document you want *should* look like, so your top semantic matches are much more relevant
trojan09205: Love that. Checking out a medium article about it
trojan09205: Tho medium is funny how its sometimes very useful stuff and other times hype/ads
drewsni: i used it for a kagi clone back in like 2023 for a project and it worked really well with just gpt 3.5 turbo
trojan09205: Beautiful i really appreciate you pointing me in that direction. Important to learn everything even if you dont use it
drewsni: its probably overkill, but rag feels so caveman like without it. Heres a good visualization of it btw
trojan09205: <@88481490228228096> have you noticed an improvement in performance when you use context windows vs rag
Like lets say you just wanted to chat about a specific website. Just one page of docs
trojan09205: Saving this img tyvm
drewsni: i guess it depends on context size itself. I've found pro 2.5 gives much better actual solutions if you give it less than 200k context, while 1 million context would be better suited for a "find the issue" or "which functions can be refactored?" type questions
drewsni: and then you can go into a new chat with much smaller/better context to actually write the solution
trojan09205: What about extrapolation type questions
Like “based on this docs, how would you apply a similar concept elsewhere”
drewsni: Yeah or another exampld would be you can take a github repo, replace the g with u so "uihub.com/whatever" and ask it which files are most relevant to a question
trojan09205: Doesnt that use a reranker
trojan09205: I was asking conceptually. Like lets take non coding even. If you wanted to ask about a certain philosophy (and in RAG case lets say you ingested a book) and ask to extrapolate that or apply in an analogous but totally* different scenario
spicy.lemonade: The class seemed to think I did
spicy.lemonade: Got the generic “what you said was pretty cool”
spicy.lemonade: And made a new friend
spicy.lemonade: But I think its mostly cause people wanted to feel good about ai generating their essays
spicy.lemonade: The basilisk will remember this 🙏
drewsni: I guess in this case I’d choose Hyde embedding retrieval
trojan09205: Ive noticed that context windows work much better for extrapolating vs RAG but i havent* tried hyde
In RAG is just likes to say “i didnt find anything about that in the context” and block up
But chatting a chatbot it seems to be very very flexible at applying the conversation to anything else
trojan09205: Oh snap the NfL draft is tomorrow lfg
drewsni: Yeah pretty much. Although I remember when RAG seemed like its primary use was to stop hallucinations. Guess we’ve come full circle
drewsni: <@312370916820779040> do you use gpt task scheduler
ldj: Yes
ldj: Well I haven't actively made a new scheduling thingy in a while, but I have ones I've set in the past that still run every week
spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4s_O6qnF78&pp=0gcJCYQJAYcqIYzv
spicy.lemonade: why is she making a video on an old model
spicy.lemonade: we moved on
drewsni: Does it have tool use and/or search?
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fuhulootogan: eunuch geeks usually wear weird af costumes
technocake.: https://tenor.com/view/red-dwarf-rimmer-arnold-rimmer-hammer-time-gif-18045152327086425796
wellmeaningalien: bro called u an eunuch
zonchao:
wellmeaningalien: would be an awesome ass fight if it was in dbz
fractalcomputer: Jesus Christ. Why am I always under attack by weird fucking trolls?
zonchao: people that throw insults around are retarded
zonchao: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
wellmeaningalien: r/singularity
wellmeaningalien: eunuch's such a funny insult tho
zonchao: yes its a new one
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-lotr-what-can-men-do-against-such-reckless-hate-gif-15957551
okbut: It's the year 1963+62 and we're still bitching over justified true belief theory
okbut: Unreal
fractalcomputer: Epistemology is always pertinent.
wellmeaningalien: can make me owner
retrerox: tf with the eagle eye
fractalcomputer: And have a Frank in control? Dear Heavens, no.
zonchao: AI
retrerox: I know
retrerox: 😂
wellmeaningalien: no i'll take this server for algeria
fractalcomputer: Even worse.
wellmeaningalien: ☝️
retrerox: everything here is AI
retrerox: even you 🫵🏿
wellmeaningalien: 🫢
fuhulootogan: how do you discern weird?
zonchao: i cannot get 5% on frontier math 😨
fractalcomputer: Where is our server Sufi mystic when we need him the most?
fuhulootogan: not normal but what behavior is normal
wellmeaningalien: is he actually <a:capDanimated:1173154707355738202>
alejandrozarzuelo: If you think about it, it's true
Our intelligence is artificial, without the social structures that we have engineered for ourselves, we couldn't get the intellectual formation required to comprehend what we do
People in the past WERE much stupider than we are, nor because they were genetically any different but by virtue of not having received an education that allowed their brains to develop
fractalcomputer: He went by the username of Bob, he hasn't been active for the better part of a year now.
wellmeaningalien: hmm
wellmeaningalien: yk i recall a mystic being active not so long ago
fractalcomputer: He was from Algeria as well, I believe. Dubious French connections.
wellmeaningalien: well the whole of ex french africa has french connections lol
alejandrozarzuelo: This reminds me of thr Conde Duque de Olivares, the first person in a position of power in the world, as the right hand man of the Spanish emperor, to propose and almost pass legislation creating universal male compulsory basic education
In the 17th century
That man unfortunately was too enlightened for his time
fractalcomputer: I know. I am rather involved in the Francophone culture of Finland.
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himekokatagiri: the one chatgpt uses
himekokatagiri: idk if it's o3
literallyvarane: I don’t think it’s better than 4o’s
.histic: i think it's just routing to 4o img gen
literallyvarane: For me honestly a really compelling demo of o3 is just asking it to write alternative history tbh.
himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-7u3C-y0Mo
himekokatagiri: has to be good as this
drewsni: probably, but its also a non reasoning model without search which is kinda what makes it impressive to me
.histic: yeah, just routing.
trent_k: https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2025/04/17/Sperm-Racing-Los-Angeles-Hollywood-Palladium/1181744921463/
brain4brain: Competitive gooning
spicy.lemonade: neurosymbolic when
zonchao: 👀
trent_k: you can gamble on it apparently
trent_k: adding "competitive sperm racer" to my list of post-AGI jobs that will still exist
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: How do you train for this
ldj: The fact that it gets perspective wrong or the image looks wonky is not relevant to the impressiveness being talked about here, not saying that the image quality is impressive or anything like that, simply talking about the fact that it's so close in the properties of that location compared to the real world
ldj: That's exactly what we're saying is crazy impressive, the fact that it's even able to remember well enough what streets are at such coordinates, and then further know/remember how that neighborhood roughly looks like, and the fact that there is shrubbery and a cross walk and a certain house style etc..
The fact that it knows all of those details in association with those coordinates is impressive.
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/scaling01/status/1913338982877851718?
aero447: Holy shit.
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/wrestlemania28-john-cena-rock-cena-rock-cena-rock-wrestlemania-gif-27519679
aero447: <@430269783112548362> vs <@1190031399080710195>
trent_k: there's a bunch of nut-maxxing supplements you can take. but idk if they actually make ur swimmers faster
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade: O3 reset for everyone
aero447: Lies.
aero447: Mine still has 23rd.
st.sioux: wdym reset
spicy.lemonade: no
spicy.lemonade: i used up all of mine yesterday
spicy.lemonade: and now i can use
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: .
himekokatagiri: I haven't been using gpt
himekokatagiri: ran out of images to make
himekokatagiri: limitations too sad
a1c4p0ne: You have 2.5 pro
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zoermena: Are you sure it was for everyone?
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himekokatagiri: the program is finally usable now
himekokatagiri: but you need windows 11 😠
_cloudost: 1:58
neon01197: https://x.com/ananyaku/status/1912523195175039398
neon01197: o4 mini aswell
neon01197: maybe
hey1_1hey: Would be hype
hey1_1hey: o3 full (3 strawberries) o4-mini (4 small strawberries)
hey1_1hey: I will now take my 100k job as a detective thank you very much
futurist_wizard: Entering my grinch era
metaldragon01: Called it
futurist_wizard: I do not care about thr upcumming releases
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/thexeophon/status/1912523048411951223?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
zoermena: If true the magnitude of improvement could’ve slowed down? I would argue that due to its rushed dev it wasn’t as big of a jump
thedon7075: ai explained in his newest video claims he has tested o3 briefly
.wolfnacht: fake, it's not exponential
thedon7075: slight diminishing returns
thedon7075: with the upcoming models it will be begin to flatten more, probably around o6
.wolfnacht: anyways i'm gonna sleep....either i'm gonna be waking up disappointed or in AGI timeline.
steven_the_frog: Why should I bother doing a tricky deep refactor now when I could wait 3 hours and do it with o3.
This is not good for my productivity
_cloudost: o4 could be AGI?
_cloudost:
a1c4p0ne: Yes
_cloudost: That means OpenAI has already internal AGI
_cloudost: No wonder they're always leading but releasing a degraded version of their models so it doesn't cause social chaos
gamerbath: so are they releasing the old o3 which they announced earlier or are they releasing an updated version? with 4o we got an updated version
abundantliving_:
gamerbath: hell yeah
abundantliving_: o4 mini is coming
literallyvarane: Not sure this is a good poll? Even GPT3.5 wasn’t a narrow AI, so *most any model so far* is a protoAGI since it’s clearly not AGI.
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/hyper-cucumberrr-dancing-cucumber-gif-23898576
hey1_1hey: I am exceptionally hyped for this live stream
_cloudost: GPT 3.5 had to be trained by humans, and human data, are we sure it's not narrow AI
hey1_1hey: Thats a lotta fucking people
hey1_1hey: No twink tho
mtj8920: I mean it does seem we getting o4-mini as well, but the fact that they're just vaguely mentioning, does mean that it is likely to be definitively beaten by o3, while 2.5-pro might cost approximately the same, when accounting for the likely longer thinking time of o4-mini.
But true would be cool to see how much they improved it. I still think it's gonna better for many of the more technical things, it is just gonna be really slow and expensive, and 2.5-pro will likely win in user-preference at least in LMArena, but o3 will still be better for many of the tasks. The thing is just that it will not have nearly as good contextual understanding of 2.5-pro and horrible visual-understanding, so I mean will it even make sense using for fx. coding at that? I also feel like 2.5-pro will be more resistant to bad prompting and just more controllable, but idk.
hey1_1hey: "models" plural. Its defo both of them
mtj8920: We will see
zoermena: Panic
hey1_1hey: I still have high hopes
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hikukomoru: I watch anime every day
.histic: 2028
wellmeaningalien: debatable whether they will release it, unless a competitor comes out with something like this
wellmeaningalien: can tell
futurist_wizard: I have only watched one anime in my entire life and it was okay
hikukomoru: Is that a good thing
zoermena: Likewise
trent_k: It'll be cool once they get the price down
futurist_wizard: What was it
zoermena: One punch man
futurist_wizard: Mine was hellsing
.histic: what do you watch?
futurist_wizard: Some vampire shit
wellmeaningalien: hellsing as your only anime...
wellmeaningalien: 2001 or 2009 something?
futurist_wizard: Think it was an updated version
wellmeaningalien: yeah then ultimate
hikukomoru: Mostly Slice-of-Life and cgdct (Cute Girls Doing Cute Things)
But seinen sometimes
I'm currently watching Psycho-Pass and Monster
wellmeaningalien: monster is goated
wellmeaningalien: need to read 20th century boys
futurist_wizard: I hate anime stereotypes
futurist_wizard: Like how all the boys are dweeby little neeks
.histic: https://tenor.com/view/gendo-stare-neon-genesis-evangelion-gendo-gif-9367805630101002790
wellmeaningalien: thats mostly because japanese men are dweeby little neeks
hikukomoru: Like the vast majority of the men here
futurist_wizard: And all the girls like take up some masculine parental role or something idek whats going on
wellmeaningalien: you sound like someone who does not watch anime
hikukomoru: No
All the girls are there jsut for eye candy
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: yup
hikukomoru: What anime is this
futurist_wizard: I do not and shall never
wellmeaningalien:
.histic: i believe the main reason i don't enjoy watching anime is that the plot or characters can end up ruining it for me.
i'm quite picky. the creators love doing some weird shit or not living to expectations..
wellmeaningalien: some animes are pretty great. a lot of them are retarded like you say but there are some that are quite worth watching
hikukomoru: When the most peak anime you've ever watched gets ruined by some harem or loli fanservice bullshit 💔 🥀
wellmeaningalien: meh usually those sort of animes are mid
futurist_wizard: Name the anime where the weakest lankiest boy whos shy gets unlimited pussy without naming every single anime
futurist_wizard: Challenge impossible
wellmeaningalien: spongebob
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a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
okbut: What happened? I thought it's still the best Deep Research
a1c4p0ne: It’s actually trash
a1c4p0ne: Someone on their server said recently it only gave 20 sources
okbut: Really? What are the betters? My PI still preferring it as of a few days ago
.histic:
.histic: 1 man 1 jar
drewsni: NO
drewsni: oai
okbut: Interesting, sad to see that it's today years old and can't figure out citations though
a1c4p0ne: <@161616827703754753> try groks “deeper search”
a1c4p0ne: It’s on the web only tho
okbut: Yeah I've tried a few of them because my PI was curious for the best
okbut: This is about a week old
okbut: (Augment = the results with a prompt augmented with the questions that ChatGPT asks before running its search)
a1c4p0ne: More sources the better
otub:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: 😭
okbut: Grok didn't actually "Cite" that number in text, but it stated in its search workflow a number of sources and then prefaces its response with a number of sources used
.histic: people love pandering to the majority.
.histic: if it gets them internet points
okbut: No he's scared too as a musician
st.sioux: ai music still sucks a bit
st.sioux: plus isnt he like rich already
st.sioux: lol
.histic:
okbut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcnrcnQjNY
.histic: there's lots of people that are rich af yet still want internet points.
*cough* elon
okbut: >Britney Spears used to have a Gulf Stream 4. Now she has to downgrade because of people like you
.histic: dumb af
https://x.com/ArchieMcW/status/1905893572093579598
mihrcelium: But only a bit. What Suno is capable of right now is... phenomenal.
mihrcelium: Most of Suno's problems aren't even Suno's problems but user/skill issues. The audio quality needs a few bumps, but gosh they've come far.
spicy.lemonade:
mihrcelium:
.histic: honestly, it being a kid makes sense.
st.sioux: aren't datacenters like some of the most secure places on earth
okbut: Is this a breaking bad reference
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-laptop-magnet-yeah-walter-white-gif-8541127463622598697
.histic: twitter and redditors won't do shit anyways.
i've seen luddites advocating violence or destruction against AI data centers and people for a long while with tens to hundreds of thousands of engagements, yet they never follow through in the real world.
this generation is soft. we won't get another ted anytime soon.
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sieventer: Oh welp, good to know that :|
st.sioux: elon musk sued advertisers for not advertising on x
zoermena: Yes
drewsni: Ya, not happy with the amount of hallucinations so I couldn’t squeeze out the real real end goal but it worked much better than I thought it would
gamerbath: i'm only 80% sure this isn't real
777agical: he sued Global Alliance for Responsible Media, wonder what the status is for that
sieventer: The amount of ads of fake Elon coins that are in Twitter it's crazy, at least with my geolocation, maybe in the USA is not that bad
sieventer: I'm having them everyday, they're obviously scam
sieventer: I don't understand why they can't filter their ads, is that difficult?
st.sioux: they don't care
drewsni: Tbh I’d rather have fake Elon coin ads than the dumbass ai newsletter ads I get
sieventer: Yeah, maybe as long they earn money...
sieventer:
sieventer: Sometimes there are good ads tho :·)
_3sphere: How much context does free AI studio have
_3sphere: still 2M?
sieventer: Depends of the model
sieventer: 2.5 Pro has 1M and 65k tokens output (crazy)
drewsni: Btw is AI studio actually free? Or just the 25 messages a day?
sieventer: The tier is free by default, with pretty good limits ·~·
sieventer:
sieventer: [2.5 Pro]
sieventer: I use it everyday and I never get the rate limit of 2.5 Pro tbh
himekokatagiri: goddamn they still didn't open Veo 2 up
st.sioux: i hit it everyday :/ it's getting expensive
777agical: does that model lead with the most output tokens?
sieventer: Really? I don't understand, I yapp a lot with it but... I don't reach the limit.
sieventer: I assume so, the settings of 2.5 Pro is by default 65k output lenght tokens
sieventer: If I choose 2.0 Flash it says 8k output
drewsni: So it is paid after the 25 uses on Ai studio?
st.sioux: i have no clue really, there is also no way to tell because cloud console doesn't tell you
drewsni: O1 is 100k
st.sioux: it only shows billing and after 1 day
st.sioux: but i also have other apis running
st.sioux: and no way of knowing which is which
sieventer:
sieventer: Well, that's for Flash
drewsni: Yeah it’s really fucking annoying lol I use like $2-3 a day in api but I don’t know how much of that is from just ai studio usage or my normal flash scrips
sieventer: https://aistudio.google.com/app/plan_information -> you can check here for other models
(it doesn't appear 2.5 Pro, wtf)
abundantliving_: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1912172587452350708
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aero447:
aero447:
aero447: Etc.
aero447: Trump is trying to save coal from the free market lol.
aero447:
aero447: China mostly lead though.
aero447:
destrucules: Joke
destrucules: It was a joke
spacetimetsunami: I was unable to tell, I dont see you being satirical too often
spacetimetsunami: at least not lately
.wolfnacht: Okay that wasn't a dark humor. He's real
.wolfnacht: https://www.reddit.com/r/aiArt/s/0gu1I3udqr
brain4brain: We must save all of the evidence so they can all be publicly shame after the post-singularity society
.wolfnacht: Exactly
_cloudost: Mass report to reddit via emIl
_cloudost: Email
_cloudost: I just reported him
_cloudost: The more people report the better
_cloudost: You can save lives by reporting this
_letterbox: https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/27/tech/apple-ai-artificial-intelligence/index.html
_letterbox: Lol
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: Apple cope
spicy.lemonade: We will have agi and apple will make their first llm
_cloudost: Apple intelligence subscription will be unnecessarily expensive
_cloudost: 1 token will cost $1
.wolfnacht: Done, but also, i'm gonna set the reminder for september 2025 to see, if actually does something or he's just another neckbeard foomer. probably the latter.
.wolfnacht: literally the O1 pro, cost
brain4brain: I’ve never seen a news article more retarded and a report more bias
_cloudost: Last year there were two Reddit activists who burned themselves alive for virtue signals and their beliefs, they had a mentally ill reddit history too but this guy has a reddit history that's much worse than their
maintcrew: claude i wasnt familiar with your negotiations game
spicy.lemonade: I took a shirtless pic of me in the mirror.
spicy.lemonade: I stopped overeating 😭 🙏
spicy.lemonade: My metabolism goes crazy
spicy.lemonade:
_letterbox: https://youtu.be/hz6oys4Eem4?si=8N1rOdwMKV8ZAcKT
anathemaofmankind: I called it
anathemaofmankind:
anathemaofmankind: You're actually black?
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hey1_1hey: The acceleartion recently has been crazy, 3 new OAI models, gemini 2.5, RSI glimsies
hey1_1hey: O3 full and o4 mini coming out this week
metaldragon01: The chip improvement should have really caught your eye
metaldragon01: But yes things are really rolling now
hey1_1hey: Really should of. I usually tend to downplay new hardware in my head because I mostly thinks its just algorithms but hardware (TPUs and GPUs) obv play a role in AI
hey1_1hey: If you think this is crazy wait until this next year
zonchao: 2026??? imagine 2027
zonchao: <:shockedd:1080470202564739092>
hey1_1hey: 2027? Wait until 2028
hey1_1hey: I wonder what I will be doing when I am 20 (2 years from now~)
st.sioux: we're hitting the physical limits of gpu design so future bottlenecks may start coming from software rather than hardware very soon
st.sioux: or at least performance increases will slow down drastically with each new generation
st.sioux: which is what we saw with 4000 series -> 5000 series
hey1_1hey: I mean physical limits? Physicial limits to what? The GPU size, the way we make them, the transistor size? I remmeber reading a story about an AI that desgined a new chip for itself that was so crazy and nonsensical that no human would've thought about it because it goes against all desgine principlies but it was on par or even better than some human made chip desgines.
I'd have to double check the validity to that though
st.sioux: transistors cant get much smaller without running into quantum tunneling
hey1_1hey: We gotta get AI to solve physics then <:Ted:1136265390549381253>
st.sioux: yessir
hikukomoru: I'll be gooning like always either way
hikukomoru: Nothing changes
_3sphere: Komoru goon cave exceeding the age of the Lascaux cave paintings after life extension
hey1_1hey: I am getting awareness edged by chatgpt bruh
hey1_1hey: So you can go to any planet in the universe and you'd rather sit in your goon cave... I gotta start believing miracles for your sake
hikukomoru: Exploring the galaxy is temporary, gooning is forever
hey1_1hey: Tell that to your doamine receptors
futurist_wizard: Probably not much different
_3sphere: Komoru your gooning is wasting energy and water, god-ASI recommends you switch to a pleasure cube
hey1_1hey: Are we on are nothing ever happnes arc cock fool?
hey1_1hey: Honestly sounds prefrebly
futurist_wizard: Bruv what you think you gon be doing differently in 2 years?
futurist_wizard: You gone be right here boy
futurist_wizard: In this discord
futurist_wizard: In 2 years!
_3sphere: Nah some stupid drama will probably make the server irrelevant
futurist_wizard: Facts
_3sphere: the singularity server cluster will survive though
hey1_1hey: I mean my course ends in around a month and a bit so I'll prob then get a job, solve quantam physics on the weekend, unify phyiscs for funsies and then make fun of doomers if I have time
hey1_1hey: What kind of drama would make the server dead?
hey1_1hey: AI hit a wall or smth?
_3sphere: I wasn't around for it, but wasn't there like some fight over server ownership
_3sphere: And someone making what is now the Siev server
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hey1_1hey: Hope so 🤞
hey1_1hey: Whats the gender?
futurist_wizard: So you be stalking them
.wolfnacht: dat was back in 2022 😔
hey1_1hey: Did they die or smth
hikukomoru: What's their/it/he/her pronourns
hey1_1hey: You did the same thing to me bro 😭
hey1_1hey: I am NOTHING like that
.wolfnacht: maybe gorl.........AHH IDK
fractalcomputer: Why are you discussing such topics in <#1136230110891081821> ?
hey1_1hey: We keep criss corssing between unrelated things and singularity it seems
otub:
hey1_1hey: This guy and Elon would be really good parents 😊
zonchao: truly
hikukomoru: <@749514473303179358> Can u be the godfather to Zon and Elon's baby 🙏
fractalcomputer: You grace us with your presence.
.wolfnacht: yea, i mean back to ~~neonazi bashing~~ i mean Digi artists bashing
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/godfather-cat-petting-pet-gif-22666459
fractalcomputer: On another note, Dvorák is quite good as a composer.
zonchao: Why are you discussing such topics in <#1136230110891081821> ?
hey1_1hey: This would be a really good Femtanyl plug. Everyone has to listen to them atleast once
hey1_1hey: Mods ban this guy
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hikukomoru: Yeah this is mainly your fault
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/godfather-michael-corleone-al-pacino-suspicious-sus-gif-21778503
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160
zonchao: he is kinda hot
hey1_1hey: WEE WOO WEE WOO
hey1_1hey: So we gonna talk about that or?
hikukomoru: You keep derailing high IQ singularity conversations with your trans and gay sex nonsense
hey1_1hey: Is that just a normal thing
hey1_1hey: Did zon come out while I was away
hikukomoru: Bro he posted a screenshot showing grindr on his phone
This is just normal Zon stuff
zonchao: it is normal for men to admire other men 🥺
hey1_1hey: You have been indoctronating me into your trans gay homosexual ideology
futurist_wizard: I was shocked when zon came out as asian
.wolfnacht: took me 6-7 minutes to dig my hardrive
hey1_1hey: That was a joke aperntly///
zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>
hikukomoru: <@439829942310666250>
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fuhulootogan:
alejandrozarzuelo: and AIs create new ideas not present in what they gather from their senses
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah?
alejandrozarzuelo: AI has that
fuhulootogan: what is the sense of an AI?
fuhulootogan: how?
frittata: Text
fuhulootogan: how does AI even have stimulus
fuhulootogan: that
fuhulootogan: by definition
fuhulootogan: does not apply
frittata: Also, some degree of vision (it just doesn’t work like ours)
alejandrozarzuelo: wtf?
alejandrozarzuelo: recieving an image is a stimulus an AI can have
fuhulootogan:
alejandrozarzuelo: this applies to an AI
fuhulootogan: how
frittata: Nah you’re limiting senses too much to direct physical experience. But *everything* is indirect - you literally don’t see objects directly, your retinas encode the input received by the rods and cones of your eye into an electrical signal, which is sent to the relevant region of the brain, which re-encodes it in the back end based on deep data training in this exact modality
alejandrozarzuelo: they have organs that are changed by the response to an event
alejandrozarzuelo: they are not biological organs
alejandrozarzuelo: but they are organs
fuhulootogan: define organs
frittata: One might argue this is similar to how text, audio, and visual digital representations convey the physical reality to an LMM which then interprets the representation to get a sense of the original <:smirk:1303825263208955904>
ailoveyoom: Just say colors are fake 😈
alejandrozarzuelo: <@723564215574462474> idk if you realize this but this conversation has been
Art requires creativity
AI has creativity
this is the definition of creativity, it requires senses
AI has senses
this is the definition of senses, it requires organs
AI has organs
this is the definition of organs
etc etc
unless you anchor any of these definitions to EXCLUSIVELY mean biological systems, AI fits in all of them
alejandrozarzuelo: sorry wrong ping
alejandrozarzuelo: <@1212375743863066645>
archon.e: Human made art will still have value
st.sioux: pulling up the dictionary like that is wild
st.sioux: define wild
alejandrozarzuelo: unless you require biology in your definition, we could continue to go down this rabbithole
archon.e: Can human made art have some fingerprint that ai can’t reproduce?
retrerox: AI just do what you ask him to do
archon.e: Else artists are cooked
retrerox: Is not really creativity
ailoveyoom: Define define
retrerox: Bad artist are cooked*
alejandrozarzuelo: him?
retrerox: Sorry
retrerox: They
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fractalcomputer: I just generally disagree with how people receive these news.
futurist_wizard: Will be on par with Gemini 2.5
callmepyro: What are your thoughts on this news?
spicy.lemonade: this guy is always hating
gamerbath: a million tokens is most definetly not nothing, it's quite a lot
anathemaofmankind: That actually sucks if it was only equivalent
spicy.lemonade: we are just having fun
literallyvarane: They said plz help train your replacement lolol
gamerbath: pricing
fractalcomputer: I have no thoughts. My attention is primarily focused on a book about algebraic geometry.
hey1_1hey: Beat me too it again
futurist_wizard: Yeah
harryisgamer: cheaper than 4o!
callmepyro: Got it - so you just generally disagree? Very contrarian! I like it 🙂
theaiguy69420_89814: very good
precariousworlds.:
fractalcomputer: Yes, I get paid for being a contrarian by numerous American intelligence agencies.
gamerbath: so why is it better, faster, and cheaper than 4o but they won't release it to chatgpt?
hey1_1hey: Uh oh fun police
fractalcomputer: And why do you think this is my reaction?
futurist_wizard: Hype, dead. AGI, over. Schizophrenia, increased.
hey1_1hey: BRUH
gamerbath: LOL
hey1_1hey: 4.5 deprecated in the next months
hikukomoru: HAHAHAHAA
precariousworlds.: shits and giggles
hey1_1hey: THATS SAD
hikukomoru: Embarassing
st.sioux: lmao
literallyvarane: Lololol they said 4.5 ain’t going to live
callmepyro: Very cool! I imagine that those agencies mostly pay you for your in-depth analysis, vs just a personality hire 🙂 That's why I'd love to hear your thoughts!
hey1_1hey: I'D BE CRYING IF I WORKED ON THAT MODEL
literallyvarane: FUN POLICE
hey1_1hey: One more supprise
gamerbath: 4.5 hasn't even been out for a month and it's already being depreceated 💀
spicy.lemonade: windsurf
hey1_1hey: Heya mr man
fractalcomputer: Right. I hope you like schemes.
hey1_1hey: Oh boring
hey1_1hey: Just a fake interfview
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realelonmuskx: i have a very smooth sexy brain who wanna repopulate
technocake.: though the definition of kill gets pretty smeared in this universe
technocake.: hard agree, it's the killing of the spare that gives me pause
fractalcomputer: One should be able to distinguish between ethical and metaphysical issues.
okbut:
okbut: Amazing
technocake.: in the case that the equivalence is proven between the original and the upload, this is not a problem - there would be some time and plenty of space for atrocity to prove this
fractalcomputer: To quote a racist troll on Twitter, "[i]n logic, there are no morals."
fractalcomputer: And apparently Carnap as well. Hah.
technocake.: I have done this
realelonmuskx: he moved to argentina 3 months
technocake.: metaphysics is systematized bullshit
fractalcomputer: Many things are systematised bullshit, I would argue.
professorheaven: Do you believe it’s better to presume something can feel pain and then evidence shows that it cannot, or presume something cannot feel pain and then evidence shows that it can?
fractalcomputer: What makes modern physics any more truthful than the beliefs of Plato?
fractalcomputer: Is it because mathematical descriptions of so-called reality can in some sense work or predict its future states of affairs?
technocake.: Evidence of the accuracy of its models
fractalcomputer: But what does that really mean?
fractalcomputer: Suppose I say that the sky is blue; hooray, have I told you the truth? Accuracy is not by itself a fixed metric; for if we could say how accurate a description of reality is in comparison with reality, we would already know reality.
technocake.: you would have to define your terms, physics does this to a somewhat rigorous extent
fractalcomputer: But it certainly does not.
fractalcomputer: Mathematics is the only rigorous science out there; and it does not talk about reality.
technocake.: But it does to the extent that models in the mind of the modeller flow from at least internally well defined terms
technocake.: language is the faliure point
fractalcomputer: The problem with the use of mathematics in physics is precisely the fact that physics does not seem to be about mathematics.
technocake.: physics isn't about mathematics, it is about models
fractalcomputer: We may wax on about models and mathematical descriptions of physical reality and so on, but all that is saying is that we have managed to fit the curve for the time being, so to say.
fractalcomputer: Until another revolution comes along and shows that our understanding of physical reality was merely a specialised case of a wider theory.
fractalcomputer: And what are models then, you reckon?
technocake.: anyone who argues to the contary hasn't understood the basis of their thought
fractalcomputer: Then you can surely cognise that physics isn't even remotely about reality.
fractalcomputer: Anyway, that's all for today.
technocake.: It is about doing the best we can to systematize and make predictions about reality - I would say this is my definition of a model
fractalcomputer: That is not much.
technocake.: Nope, but can you do better?
fractalcomputer: I don't try. Nor do I think it particularly meaningful to do so.
technocake.: Meaning is always self defined, many do find this meaningful, and it is at least useful
fractalcomputer: Usefulness is always self-defined as well.
fractalcomputer: It seems we have come to an impasse.
technocake.: to which I mean that the vector of predictions of physical models, when used as an input to the vector of "meaning cost functions" minimizes the sum of the latter when the difference between the output of the models and ground truth are minimised
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sweetievee__33649: i wouldnt want to go into business where i have to file 1000 forms to do an experiment
hikukomoru: Wdym he's got Elon on speed dial
zonchao: yes
wellmeaningalien: hes also got him on peen dial
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-elon-musk-elonmusk-fun-elon-gif-221168847442836365
sweetievee__33649: the special K is taking its toll 🥀
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kill-joy-meanie-thief-of-joy-gif-17139895
zonchao: so based
fractalcomputer: Very well then, a fun exercise for the chat: show that if (xy) divides (x^2 + y^2 + 1) then (x^2 + y^2 + 1)/(xy) = 3 when x, y are positive integers.
zonchao: 5
wellmeaningalien: 100000
sweetievee__33649: didnt know i entered the math channel
_3sphere: I'd try some shit with prime factors idfk
sweetievee__33649: im dumb asf so ill just say 5 aswell 👍
fractalcomputer: Wrong approach.
_3sphere: hm
darkstar0818: Ai says: Therefore, if x, y are positive integers such that xy divides x^2 + y^2 + 1, then the value of the quotient (x^2 + y^2 + 1) / (xy) must be 3.
_3sphere: erm,,
_3sphere: The "solution" is a whole reasoning chain, not a single result
fractalcomputer: Hint: remember distributivity.
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/iamneubert/status/1906719031018582048? big
ailoveyoom: Is it good?
ailoveyoom: Better than Veo?
spicy.lemonade: it looks better than veo in some
spicy.lemonade: the fact it is
sweetievee__33649: its been a good for ai recently hasnt it
spicy.lemonade: means we are close to next frontier
spicy.lemonade: when other small labs like runway start saturating the space
sweetievee__33649: is that true or just vibes
spicy.lemonade: usually the case isnt it
spicy.lemonade: when dalle 2 dropped
spicy.lemonade: other labs sgtarted to make that better
spicy.lemonade: then 3
spicy.lemonade: then midjourney idiogram
spicy.lemonade: etc
spicy.lemonade: then 4o image came out
sweetievee__33649: hey you got a good point
spicy.lemonade: same with sora
spicy.lemonade: and runway and others
sweetievee__33649: ive only been into ai recently so i probably havent seen that trend
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alejandrozarzuelo: The differences are important, even if small
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/super-buu-dragon-ball-majin-buu-dragonball-dbz-gif-9025226788066338823
st.sioux: 😡
hikukomoru: Is this fuschia
technocake.: read the number
alejandrozarzuelo: The name you use doeanr matter as much as the meaning behind it
At least you need to get to tertiary level
alejandrozarzuelo: AT LEAST
alejandrozarzuelo: Like, imagine if I ask you for something green and you give me something jade
Wtf dude
alejandrozarzuelo: I can excuse quaternary
st.sioux: youre trolling
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldopsgalnassr-gif-27425976
hikukomoru: I don't see anything
hikukomoru: It's just abunch of balls
alejandrozarzuelo: I am dead serious, I will not understand you if you call the sky blue and i refuse to acknowledge anyone who calls a jade thing green
hikukomoru: Rondo
hikukomoru: Roneldo
alejandrozarzuelo: Quaternary, as I said, I can excuse it, unless you want to specify, it's often not that relevant
zoermena: That’s subjective it’s not like we are designing any promotional content aligned to a brands identity
zoermena: Unless we are under investigation 👀
technocake.: if you aren't trolling you are red green colorblind, and have XY chromosones
alejandrozarzuelo: Tertiary colors are orange and purple
That's the minimum granularity we need
wellmeaningalien: oh dman
alejandrozarzuelo: For some reason, orange and purple are commonly used but rose and jade and azure aren't
a1c4p0ne: Do the Siu now
st.sioux: because not everyone is autistic
alejandrozarzuelo: Well, I REFUSE to stand by this chromatic crime
alejandrozarzuelo: We need to treat all colors fairly
hikukomoru: Is that the down syndrome chromosome
technocake.: no just male at birth
alejandrozarzuelo: Don't be chromatophobic
wellmeaningalien: corrected! still dark pink
alejandrozarzuelo: Also I am not autistic
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-ronaldo-ronaldo-siuuu-ronaldo-the-goat-sewy-gif-17616218981871012597
hikukomoru: Rondoldo
a1c4p0ne: Let’s goooo
zoermena: I might make an overreach here but maybe the latter colors where harder to make in the past making everyone accustomed to purple orange etc. idk
a1c4p0ne: <:based:1136264604788473946>
alejandrozarzuelo: True
alejandrozarzuelo: That's the reason why we don't use those words commonly
alejandrozarzuelo: But that's no excuse for TODAY
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.wolfnacht: having nervous damage is required.....
zonchao: yea
zoermena: Last 2 way to many people could fit
zoermena: No way, if real this + cursor = 🙏🏼
technocake.: I can check this box, what prize do i win
zoermena: Elon in your head
technocake.: do i have to be american?
technocake.: oh shit i'm gonna apply
.histic: wild that they've that much money invested into them..
most of the valuation is the popularity, not necessarily the products, research, or profitability. 🤔
.histic: maybe popularity + vision.
they got whales to invest into them.
zonchao: outdated
zonchao: spacex is at 350B
.histic: oh wow
zonchao: yea, they updated xai's valuation but forgot spacex <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
alejandrozarzuelo: Dude, of course
alejandrozarzuelo: That's so basic
fractalcomputer: It's an amicable question. Not a challenge.
alejandrozarzuelo: Ah ok
alejandrozarzuelo: It's still trivial tho
fractalcomputer: Should one ever try to prove something that is less than obvious?
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean, sure, as an exercise it's ok
fractalcomputer: Yes, I don't think anyone here would be posing research questions in chat, hm?
.wolfnacht: elon would make u do his emotes
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/elonmusk-elon-musk-tesla-elon-dance-gif-5137077446926799942
technocake.: i wonder it it takes a screenshot if you hit the sieg heil
.wolfnacht: brainshot*
alejandrozarzuelo: true, but it is weird to ask about such easy questions when it doesnt really concern the channel
like, why did you ask this? what was the point? in what shape or form was it related to the lively conversation that was taking place?
alejandrozarzuelo: btw, i love this answer
alejandrozarzuelo: its not rigurous
alejandrozarzuelo: but it is very visual
fractalcomputer: But it is wrong. The group structure of the n-th roots of unity has (almost) nothing to do with the actual sum of those roots.
.wolfnacht: Artists + front end dev + UI/UX designers are on suicide watch 🪢
okbut: 0 front end dev and I made this bitch in a few weeks
okbut: tailsadoption.org
st.sioux: weeks??? (its too much)
.wolfnacht: >tailsadoption
are u running a cat and dog adoption thing ?
fractalcomputer: The group of rotations of the polygon generated by the n-th rooths of unity on the complex plane is trivially isomorphic to the structure of the cyclic group C_n.
okbut: Nonprofit yeah
fractalcomputer: Actually, I rescind my statement.
alejandrozarzuelo: actually it does, since it eliminates 3/4ths of the cases
leaving you only with 1/4th of the cases to deal with
if you argue it well, of course
why?
well, it is known that every regular polygon, when resting at its base or vertex is symmetric by the y axis
this instantly proves that every element either has a complex component of zero OR that it has its own conjugate as one of the roots, eliminating entirely the proof for the valye of the average complex value
moreover, this is also proof that you can perform the same trick for the real axis as long as n is even
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metaldragon01: No I wouldn't consider those marketing
st.sioux: and do you think there's no space for more automation in social media management at least?
st.sioux: or is that not marketing
st.sioux: idk
metaldragon01: Always more room for automation
rayanquitplayin: They taught me that in college, my professor said it’s a big thing people learn in marketing
metaldragon01: What matters is not blowing through budget without results
rayanquitplayin: What’s media buying?
metaldragon01: Most products as long as it's not crazy unique the algo will optimize given enough time, money and creatives to work through
rayanquitplayin: Do you think consistency is important in mkting?
metaldragon01: Um....depends?
metaldragon01: Lots of different types of marketing
Email marketing yes.
Banner ads no. You want unique creatives often
rayanquitplayin: How important is the unique creative?
metaldragon01: Very...
metaldragon01: People will just get ad blind over time if it never changes
rayanquitplayin: I see
metaldragon01: The best ads ever eventually get stale but also you could have a Rockstar ad you never tested
metaldragon01: Some ads I thought would be terrible ended up being amazing
rayanquitplayin: Are there any YouTubers that are really good at ads?
rayanquitplayin: Like MrBeast?
metaldragon01: ???
rayanquitplayin: In your opinion
metaldragon01: I don't follow the space on YouTube
metaldragon01: Every successful YouTuber has a solid marketing strat
rayanquitplayin: YouTube’s really hard to make it in
metaldragon01: Nothing is hard after you understand how the algorithms work
spicy.lemonade: surely she'll rspond back right
spicy.lemonade: 4.5 failed me
spicy.lemonade: 3 days
spicy.lemonade: if she doesnt respond
spacetimetsunami: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1908409328568021122?s=46&t=TgS9kjumgIA0UCb4wN2WXw
I will be riding on steel-horseback post singularity 😎
spicy.lemonade: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
spicy.lemonade: noooo
spicy.lemonade: i genuinely do
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: ive gone on various dates and what not shes the only one who made me feel anything lol
nondescriptfaith: Actually need to add value. So many copycat YouTubers with pro thumbnails / editing / sound / titles; but they are just lifeless boring idiots spamming the same milquetoast opinions as the next guy
nondescriptfaith: You can be successful just being interesting alone
spicy.lemonade: like i genuinely dont care about ok ik it sound bad but i lowkey didnt care about the other situationships
spicy.lemonade: i was just on autopilot fr
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_3sphere: yes
spicy.lemonade: Can't decide
futurist_wizard: We don't care about digital art
alejandrozarzuelo: I know this is not a good representative sample, but in my university there are a lot of posters about everything
courses in japanese, learning vegan indigenous cuisine, internships in quantum computing....
and about 5-10% of them are already AI images, and the crappy ones from 1 year ago
i expect this number o jump with the new im gen
_3sphere: You can have a new one every other day :3
spicy.lemonade: Nah
_3sphere: Keeping it constant is fun though, I'm upside down Niko to everyone now
futurist_wizard: Most people look in awe of real paintings as we reflect back on the human labour in order to make it, for movies we dont care as much we just want to see the movie
alejandrozarzuelo: the vast majority of art is done for commercial purposes
futurist_wizard: Yes
hikukomoru: My pfp changes every day
Just like my mood
brain4brain: >Human works hard labor
>It sucks
>They automate it
>Human rest
>Its boring
>Human starts to works hard labor again
>It sucks
>Repeat?/ Drugs?
alejandrozarzuelo: the argument that "this will be like chess people will still want human-made art" is a valid argument
for the tiny minority of art that is not directly commercial
brain4brain: I’m scared for how society will turn out
brain4brain: If we find this boring
brain4brain: Hopefully we will make drugs
futurist_wizard: Thats the art im talking about, devoid of commercial purposes
brain4brain: To combat this
_3sphere: We can survive on stupid internet drama and video games and hiking for a while :3
alejandrozarzuelo: we will join the hivemind
brain4brain: I won’t
alejandrozarzuelo: cringe
futurist_wizard: Being mind uploaded eventually is just unavoidable
_3sphere: Sure but please don't compress me beyond recognition
hikukomoru: Sharing a hivemind with you?
No thanks
futurist_wizard: Like staying as a human you'd be wasting so much of the resources
alejandrozarzuelo: fun fact you already are
its called society
brain4brain: No
futurist_wizard: If you could condense your consciousness into a computer you'd have whatever you want and you'd use magnitudes less energy
futurist_wizard: Yes
_3sphere: The tiny minority that is the most valuable in the "human fulfillment" sense
brain4brain: The flesh shall be a relic preserved
_3sphere: Current neural net computers use absurd amounts of energy
_3sphere: Would need a new substrate
hikukomoru: I don't participate in society
brain4brain: Something I’m even more worried about: ship of Theseus and what’s “real”
Wow, philosopher might be the best job for the next thousands years
_3sphere: The flesh will be modeled with the best jiggle physics ASI can engineer
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/touch-grass-touch-grass-gif-21734295
jonvi_1: The spice must flow
alejandrozarzuelo: sure, but the hate artists have is because they will be unemployed, which they will since again 99+% of art is commercial
we donr really realize but everything that isnt natural was designed by someone, the artistic industry is HUUUUGE with a tiiiiiiiny minority of "celebrity art"
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hey1_1hey: Bargin
literallyvarane: This doesn’t do it for me imo. For me at least, getting the model to identify and ask the right questions is critical for being level 4
literallyvarane: There’s some level of leading the horse to water there.
3ds0662: the 200$ one doesn't even pay itself off how tf am i supposed to pay 2k??
3ds0662: operator shit, sora shit, wtf yeah
3ds0662: only good thing about it is o1 pro lol
3ds0662: where do brokies get 2k?
st.sioux: if it can do apps or webapps you could probably just use it to shit out apps to the app store or android store and see what sticks
.histic: $20,000 i mean
st.sioux: or maybe a saas a day or whatever
literallyvarane: Wait can 2.5 no longer access YouTube in app?
3ds0662: fuck
3ds0662: 20k
3ds0662: wtf
literallyvarane: Or in the studio?
.histic: yeah
literallyvarane:
hey1_1hey: Any sugar daddies in here willing to splash 20k for yours turly
3ds0662: at that point its completely pay to win which is the worst
literallyvarane:
3ds0662: the rich always win
3ds0662: smh
hey1_1hey: Its for orgs, I mean I dont know why a random person would need to invent some new shit
3ds0662: LOL
.histic: not even small business can afford that shit, only the elites or big businesses can <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
3ds0662: thats how you become rich or solve your own problems
st.sioux: you could invest the $20k and start like 500 different businesses ina month
_3sphere: This could be seen from a lightyear away
3ds0662: shit soo many usecases lol
hey1_1hey: Infinite money glitch
_3sphere: that AI turns capital into any labor
hey1_1hey: One of them is an AI company to compete with AI and the level 4 Innovator is the CEO
3ds0662: you can afford it if you treat it like a car and take out a loan
3ds0662: 1% chance it pays itself off
3ds0662: lol
st.sioux: 1% chance is quite low
literallyvarane: I guess I’m much more interested in a model where you just give it every academic paper published in 2025, and it, by itself, identifies clearly novel paths of inquiry to pursue and work on.
3ds0662: you'll have used up all the capital on the subscription for one time use
st.sioux: with current models i would say it pays for itself at least in the API, i budget like $10 everyday and save like 4-5 hours which is nothing
literallyvarane: It needs to be able to identify which questions are worth asking.
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retrerox: Aaah the benefits of being young
retrerox: Not care about sleeping schedule
zoermena: It matters, it’s kicking my butt rn
zoermena: I essentially have to be productive 13 hours a day every week it’s exhausting
retrerox: i'm glad i work from home i can be productive while doing nothing
retrerox: I kinda wanna make an app
retrerox: or a website
retrerox: idk what to do 🧐
retrerox: Should i ask AI to make an AI for me?
zoermena: Yes
retrerox: <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>
zoermena: The best thing you can do in the face of indecisiveness is just starting, don’t get stuck on decision paralysis
retrerox: id like to make somthing like uber
retrerox: but for what kind of service to offer?
retrerox: How profitable could it be to offer uber washing machines like you rent your own washing machines by uber like app?
retrerox: and on top of that they can do the laundry for u if u dont feel like it
retrerox: Apparently alredy exist
zoermena: I’d discuss it with GPT but since you want to code I’d suggest you to start by building the infrastructure and moving on from there
himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/n0at25O2zK4
himekokatagiri: <:the_horror:1136585527173337118>
ldj: Looks like o4-mini is likely releasing today.
O4-mini just appeared in chatgpt code this morning, and sama is tweeting about how he is excited about today
himekokatagiri: will it have an image model
himekokatagiri: new & improved
ldj: Prob not since o3-mini doesn’t
zoermena: <:idk:1136264106937171999>
theaiguy69420_89814: Lol just made a killer app idea
theaiguy69420_89814: Time to execute
otub: gimme o4-mini sama
zoermena: Godspeed friend <:startrek:1334027709541777460>
otub: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
st.sioux: thats what they said about quasar
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvNtVPT3EbE
wellmeaningalien: SomeOrdinaryGamers "debunks" dire wolves by pointing out that it's still mostly Gray Wolf DNA, without pointing out that Gray Wolf DNA is mostly just Dire Wolf DNA and that the same is true of Human and Chimps, you could change a few key genes and you can turn a monkey into a human lol
zoermena: So yes and no?
wellmeaningalien: So yes they brought back a dire wolf from extinction
wellmeaningalien: Cant wait to see how expensive o3 is
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: What the hell
wellmeaningalien: Apparently o4 mini is going to be like incredible
zoermena: And they say we are in a winter
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christiskingrapturenxtmonth: It makes the baseline assumption that "fast AI is dangerous AI"
nondescriptfaith: Is haste normally coincident with safety in your experience?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: if there's no reason to believe it's dangerous you can't claim it is
nondescriptfaith: You believe there is no reason to think AI might be dangerous?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: no I'm talking about AI 2027
nondescriptfaith: So your issue is the rapidity of the timeline they suggest, not the claims they make?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I didn't read it
nondescriptfaith: What does Nietzsche say of this?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: David read it for me
https://fixupx.com/DaveShapi/status/1908301328951959887
memlaswaif: <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>
memlaswaif: I don't trust one word that comes out of David shapiro
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: post-ayahuasca David is alright
memlaswaif: <:hmmmm:869656993999249508>
nondescriptfaith: David seems a little motivated to dislike this. I think doomer pointer crowd has knee jerk reactions to anyone who dares utter the phrase ‘ex-risk’.
nondescriptfaith: <@299696315653423104> You should read it and make your own mind up. Don’t just repeat what other have said
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: <:bingus:1136264105800515644>
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: the David analysis is good enough for me
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I saw that
czdct:
czdct: 🤣
nondescriptfaith: <@299696315653423104> Honestly a lot of his critique doesn’t even make sense, the story has two different endings. I’d recommend you read it yourself
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-jim-carrey-dumb-and-dumber-jim-carrey-i-don%27t-hear-you-gif-9558280472791987858
nondescriptfaith: Alright man, just believe whatever makes you feel good I guess?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242801811027398658/1351057716017106962/nod-cat-hyper.gif
popsiclejohnithan:
brain4brain: They took the based acceleration path of the essay for this video <:based:1136264604788473946>
popsiclejohnithan: You think we'll actually be at that point by those years?
brain4brain: No
popsiclejohnithan: The economic crash will probs slow things down.
brain4brain: We’ll reach it sooner
popsiclejohnithan: God i hope so.
brain4brain: It doesn’t effect anything
brain4brain: AI lab have infinite money glitch
brain4brain: Chip isn’t effected by tariff
popsiclejohnithan: Really?
brain4brain: Economic collapse make government bail out company, more money funnel to AI lab
futurist_wizard:
popsiclejohnithan: It could also force them to make the models cheeper and more power effecient like deepseek as well.
popsiclejohnithan: To be fair it's literally the most important thing ever so they will try to keep them afloat, they are still going to struggle though definitely we are all going to need to tighten our belts.
retrerox: Because base their perception on movies that said Computers are evil
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.wolfnacht: u should have come 1-2 months ago when everyone was hating on google and bullying the ones who had hope on google.
zonchao: who is the guy that tracks new models on lmarena?
futurist_wizard: My timelines have not budged
futurist_wizard: 2029 at the absolute latest
gamerbath: indeed
777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/ns123abc/status/1912876350911754676
gamerbath: why does OpenAI want to buy cursor or windsurf? I'm usre they can just develop their own thing
777agical: Data and users I assume
777agical: https://x.com/advaitonline/status/1912852199446548510?s=46
st.sioux: way easier to just buy
mantegh5061: I thought they were backing devin
realelonmuskx: is `o4-mini-high` good or bs? i just use gemini thinking its sweet af
777agical: Offline test
trojan09205: Damn i didnt even know o4 mini dropped
gamerbath: it's time to get the wisdom notification role <#1215724928104398958>
trojan09205: I still use gpt 4o mini by default then just scale up when I need a little more. It does process images rather well surprisingly
Cause im a free chatgpt user - i have a tiny api balance and just use different wrappers which let me upload images to 4o mini. Aichat is great imo
st.sioux: 4o mini kinda sucks bro
trojan09205: O3 mini is my go to for art analysis tho
anathemaofmankind: I think I'm feeling the agi
trojan09205: Yeah i dont use it for coding or anything. Mostly just to ingest an image and then scale up to a different model for something else. At least it can ingest the base64 images and i think that step is pretty straightforward
trojan09205: I like the gemini models…the only thing is that i feel like openAI really does substantially better at making their chat models much more personable
Gemini is good for raw coding, in many ways ive seen it be a beast. But i like to ask the llms to summarize like a bro- and gpt models feel more natural
trojan09205: Idk if you guys have used the free gemini embeddings model. Its great for free RAG usagr
st.sioux: i have only used openai's embeddings
st.sioux: i didn't know gemini had an embeddings model lol
st.sioux: might try it out
trojan09205: Same lol. It was auto detected by the rag suite i use when i plugged in my gemini api key
trojan09205: I use it to just RAG entire books for free lol
trojan09205: I use nomic locally sometimes when needed
trojan09205: Im kind of ranting here - but as far as openai embeddings. I have found that its way worth using the larger model vs the small. Quality boost in my experience is massive
himekokatagiri: So what's the consensus now
himekokatagiri: What's to come
trojan09205: Imo just more agentic suites
_cloudost: DW
gamerbath: that's crazy
anathemaofmankind: 2.5 pro can't solve it
_cloudost: It's gonna be better than Gemini 2.5 pro
anathemaofmankind: Its losing its mind in the COT
trojan09205: I havent been on discord in like 9 weeks. Been going through a lot of shit but its nice to be back a bit. This server is great
anathemaofmankind: Also it gave me the wrong answer
trojan09205: I hate COT. I always ignore it because honestly i havent really learned much from reading them at all. Kind of nauseating
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perish0801: You die and go to heaven
perish0801: Heaven being a place where you’ll live forever without a physical body
perish0801: Cant wait
popsiclejohnithan: FDVR heaven.
perish0801: No clue what that stands for
ailoveyoom: My story was petty tho, I was a kid and Jesus didn't help me with something kid me thought important at the time. So I just, idk, renounced my faith and started hating?? 💀 I criticized my fair share, but I think kid me was bitter/upset at 'god' too (or at least I needed someone else to blame besides myself). So I was def edgy 😔
The whole religion thing never worked on me either tbf, so maybe I was always going to leave that behind 🤷♂️
popsiclejohnithan: Full Dive Virtual Reality.
perish0801: Oh yes
hikukomoru: There is plenty of space in our solar system
popsiclejohnithan: This as well.
perish0801: Well yeah
perish0801: I mean yeah
perish0801: Just sleep until you get to a planet
perish0801: The problem for me is will average people allow this shit to happen
perish0801: Will they not have revolutions
perish0801: Will they ruin everything with their childish politics
zonchao: https://x.com/hyhieu226/status/1914333155290763586?
popsiclejohnithan: There are going to be a lot of Luddites against this, no doubt we will see violent terrorist attacks, they will lose because they will have inferior technology compared to those that embrace A.I. it's like when the Ottomans refused the printing press, you either move forward with everyone else like a rational person or you stagnate and die like a fool.
perish0801: Hopefully that happens
futurist_wizard: All roads lead to hivemind giant computer planet
futurist_wizard: **all roads**
sarik0497: We can sort of already see it now.
When life and society itself changes, so too do we. In my great-grandmother’s youth, having 4+ children was the norm due to children dying early. When that changed, people started having fewer children.
When life started to go from “get married and own a house by 25” to “fuck around until your late 30s”, people started having children and getting married later.
If we manage to stay youthful for 100 years, then I doubt most people will have children until their 80s-90s. And if we stay youthful forever, then even later.
It’s like that old fantasy trope where you hear people call some 500 year old elf for “child” due to their young age.
perish0801: Interesting perspective
perish0801: I agree
perish0801: Still if people stopped dying of old age tomorrow, population will keep increasing exponentially for a couple decades
himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdONLv3qJw
sarik0497: For sure, but also keep in mind that we’ll still be killable for a while. Maybe a system similar to China will be set up for a few decades to figure out things.
perish0801: Oh yeah true that makes sense
memlaswaif: space
himekokatagiri: what do you think of transmetropolitan
memlaswaif: how long
st.sioux: 26.55 years
memlaswaif: most people literally can't afford to have children
3ds0662: yet to be seen
3ds0662: lev just seems impossible tbh
3ds0662: death is an insurmountable problem
perish0801: Just upload my consciousness to the internet
perish0801: That’s the thing right what if you upload a carbon copy of me to some cloud but it’s just a copy and not actually me
perish0801: It’s just an AI
3ds0662: but thats a copy of your mind, there is no true transfer of consciousness
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_cloudost:
drewsni: LMAO
oooooooooog: the effective resolution is actually even lower than that due to the noise added in
ailoveyoom: Oh yeah I def noticed this when putting videos in
ailoveyoom: Surely it works in some effect with images too
spicy.lemonade: Loll
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade: When was the poll made
spicy.lemonade: Closed right on time
.histic: https://x.com/sama/status/1905000759336620238
.histic: damn
spicy.lemonade: Over shot for sora
spicy.lemonade: Undershot Image gen
oooooooooog: as expected
zoermena: Cooked
zoermena: Im so blessed
oooooooooog: anyone else noticing that 99% of comments on reddit are deleted for some reason
_cloudost: free tier will probably have watermark
oooooooooog: these ones already do, right...?
oooooooooog: the noise looks so obvious that i can't imagine it's anything by a watermark
zoermena: I’ve never seen a watermark
oooooooooog: then why are the images so noisy?!?!?!!?!
zoermena: Idk
alejandrozarzuelo: btw
st.sioux: its a stylistic choice
st.sioux: you can tell it to remove it
oooooooooog: no way bro
.histic:
alejandrozarzuelo: the gemini 2.5 image generator really screams "we are living in the future"
alejandrozarzuelo: its SO GOOD
oooooooooog: there is a gemini 2.5 image generator?
alejandrozarzuelo: wait whats this program again
alejandrozarzuelo: i am out of the loop
alejandrozarzuelo: the 4o?
oooooooooog: yes
alejandrozarzuelo: okok
alejandrozarzuelo: srry
oooooooooog: 2.0 flash gemini has one as well (it's quite a bit worse though)
alejandrozarzuelo: i have been VERY BUSY lately
spicy.lemonade: Indeed
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futurist_wizard: Lots of curly hair people here
wellmeaningalien: Yooo wassup is me bob
sweetievee__33649: i want to see mushroom man since you said he likes mushroom in *that* way and i want to see what someone with *that* looks like
hikukomoru: He looks like a femboy
sweetievee__33649: real?
hikukomoru: <@439829942310666250>
hikukomoru: posted himself in a skirt
hikukomoru: gay ass bitch
futurist_wizard: And kneesocks
wellmeaningalien: Mushroom posted his face he's just like a twinkish white dude
futurist_wizard: Twink ish?
sweetievee__33649: so hes just a femboy twink then
futurist_wizard: Femboy is beyond twink
hikukomoru: Femboy is superior to twink
sweetievee__33649: true
wellmeaningalien: White people here if only yall knew the singularity was UZBEK
sweetievee__33649: femboys are way better than twinks
hikukomoru: We should turn all men into femboys
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: Don't call me white
hikukomoru: I'm a real latina baddie
sweetievee__33649: id support this if a politician put this in their plan
_3sphere: Is risky
wellmeaningalien: Wtf my phone is racist it hates AAVE it autocorrects yall to tall
sweetievee__33649: in what way are there some creepers in here or something
wellmeaningalien: Ahahahahahhaha you just as mentally ill as Alejandro if you think you Latina
futurist_wizard: Risky?
futurist_wizard: Its not risky, its just they want to be anonymous
hikukomoru: I'm not as mentally ill as Alejandro
hikukomoru: I'm more
futurist_wizard: My pfp used to be my face
hikukomoru:
sweetievee__33649: mich mach they look like 12 years old 🥀
wellmeaningalien: Tbh I don't think if you post ur face here anything bad is gonna happens. Nobody calling the cyber opps on this nerd ass bitch server. We just too shy
hikukomoru: Don't hot face react that pic
aero447: Guys.
futurist_wizard: All anime characters look 12
technocake.: everyone in here is a creeper, except maybe fractal
sweetievee__33649: straight pedo defense
aero447: Keep the fetish posting to an absolute maximum thank you.
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spicy.lemonade: like most integrals
trojan09205: Okay but you are introducing pi due to your knowledge of radians and the sin/cos relationships to a circle no?
spicy.lemonade: most integrals are done assuming youre in radians. the answer just happens to contain pi.
trojan09205: Tbh its a little beyond my skills
I studied stats in college but its been a good many years since ive done computations by hand
trojan09205: Like i got a degree in stats and worked as a junior statistician for a year out of college before moving to software
In any case most of the material was not proofs - a lot of just practical programming and coming up with solutions to use in practice
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: finally
spicy.lemonade: an official pokemon benchmark
spicy.lemonade: https://www.vgbench.com/
trojan09205: Very cool
trojan09205: Would be cool to see AI bots take unconventional paths through osrs not just prioritizing levels but just the whole gameplay- fashionscape, bossing, pking all that
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: new frontier math scores
trey6033: https://x.com/bongrandp/status/1913040244963766432
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: 😔
st.sioux: holy canoli
spicy.lemonade: we need a huge jump this summer
spicy.lemonade: if we wanna get 50%+ this year
destrucules: It looks like Google could own the entire frontier if they made sure Gemini 2.5 Flash in standard mode gets ≥72 GPQA Diamond. However, this graph is wrong because it doesn't include Grok 3 mini Reasoning. Which is an o4 level model, scoring 80 in GPQA Diamond, at just $0.3/$0.5 per million tokens. At a 3:1 ratio, that's (0.9+0.5)/4 = $0.35/Mt. That removes Gemini 2.5 Flash *and* o4 mini from the Pareto frontier. And also V3 0324 and R1. So it's actually just Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite, Gemini 2.0 Flash, and then Grok 3 mini Reasoning, and then Gemini 2.5 Pro. So Google, Google, xAI, Google, and zero OpenAI, and also zero DeepSeek on the frontier.
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609
ldj: https://tenor.com/view/praying-angel-emoji-emoticon-smiley-gif-15640677
trey6033: They use cons@64 with extended thinking. Versus a single pass through for 2.5 flash
professorheaven: It’s funny because the FrontierMath developers themselves (EpochAI) predicted a median score of 75% by the end of the year. Their lower bound was 50%
trey6033: Your price values aren't the price value of how they benched it anyway
spicy.lemonade: o4 might kill it
spicy.lemonade: if its multiplicative jump
spicy.lemonade: also a breakthrough that can increase performance by 40 points is proof verification
professorheaven: How though? o1 gets 9% while o4 mini high gets 18%, that’s a 2x jump
spicy.lemonade: o3 mini high gets 32% with tools
trey6033: Grok 3 Reasoning Beta and Grok 3 mini Reasoning’s scores for AIME 2025 at “@1” — meaning the first score the models got on the benchmark — fall below o3-mini-high’s score. Grok 3 Reasoning Beta also trails ever so slightly behind OpenAI’s o1 model set to “medium” computing.
https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/22/did-xai-lie-about-grok-3s-benchmarks/
spicy.lemonade: ?
trojan09205: Grok is ass
spicy.lemonade: https://beta.lmarena.ai/
spicy.lemonade: new lmarena
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: this is nice
trojan09205:
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spicy.lemonade: all i have to do is get computer engineering job at apple
spicy.lemonade: move up 1-2 ranks
spicy.lemonade: not doing swe
spicy.lemonade: AI cooked it
ldj: This scaling seems pretty arbitrary. There is several different ways that you could assign compute scaling factors to these labels here and have it still make equal sense, the only grounded anchor that seems to be here is the 10X for GPT-3.5.
Everything else seems pretty arbitrarily fit to a given decided scaling factor starting from there
ldj: Also the diamond scores for the first 3 models seem heavily rounded to tens
ldj: The more consistent scaling factor based on more known data points would seem to be the ~12% GPQA D increase for every 10X in compute.
And this lines up roughly with the 100X effective compute that OpenAI is claiming for GPT-4.5 too (over GPT-4)
destrucules: Well, we know that Llama 4 Scout has half the effective parameters of Llama 4 Maverick, and thus achieves half the effective compute, and it's just above GPT-4o level, and Maverick is at GPT-4.1 level. So we know that gap is somewhat larger than 2x. 3x feels like a safe approximation because I'm just rounding to the nearest half order of magnitude. We know that Qwen2.5-72B is very close in capabilities to GPT-4o, and it is just over twice the size of Qwen2.5-32B, and around five times the size of Qwen2.5-14B. The capabilities of GPT-4 are between the capabilities of Qwen2.5-14B and Qwen2.5-32B, closer to the 14B side of that line. So it is somewhere between 2.3x and 5x. Again, rounding to nearest half order of magnitude, 4o is about 3x the effective scale of 4. It's clear that MMLU-Pro is showing strong saturation effects in the 80s, as we see a gain from 80→84 in MMLU-Pro for Claude 3.7 Sonnet Standard vs Extended Thinking, yet GPQA D jumps from 66 to 77, a full 11 points. These benchmarks normally have about the same scaling velocity during the mostly linear part of the curve, about 20 points per OOM, so this is a significant discrepancy. o1 → o3 is only a one point gain in MMLU-Pro, but an 8 point gain in GPQA D. So GPT-4.5 scoring 86 is very significant. But the score in GPQA D is much lower, only slightly better than or even on par with models that are only ~3x over 4o.
ldj: Eh, I guess that’s where the methodology starts to break down more. It’s not just half the effective params, it’s also a quarter of the total params which directly impact loss too.
And GPQA D has a significantly different trend than 20% per OOM, it’s more like 14% per OOM, or even 10% or lower if you try to really strictly decompose the algorithmic efficiencies from the data points.
ldj: Sorry I was saying 12% earlier, it’s 14%
destrucules: GPT-3.5 level models, like Gemma 3 4B, Llama 3 8B Instruct, Llama 2 70B Chat, Gemini 1.0 Pro, Mistral-small (February), Claude-Instant v1.2, etc. generally score between 39 and 43 on MMLU-Pro and between 28 and 33 on GPQA Diamond. GPT-4 scores 37 on GPQA Diamond, as does Gemini 1.5 Pro 001 and Qwen2-72B Instruct. Later GPT-4 level models like Llama 3 70B Instruct, Mistral Small 3, Claude 3 Sonnet, Claude 3.5 Haiku, GPT-4o mini, Gemma 3 27B, score generally 40-46 on GPQA D. To address your claim that I was rounding too much to the nearest 10 points
ldj: 14% per OOM would be 28% leap required for 100X leap, and GPT-4.5 reaches that and even slightly beats it, it’s 32% increase over GPT-4.
The 14% per OOM trend in GPQA D is observed as the average trend over 20+ different model releases by EpochAI, but when you decompose for raw compute alone it probably is even closer to 12% or 10% per OOM
destrucules: It's not, it only seems like that because the noise floor is 25% and models have only just barely risen above that by GPT-3.5 scale, so the first OOM produces a very small effect, and then a much smaller increase in scale produces a comparable effect (37-46 becomes 48-54), and then a roughly 2x scaling above that produces scores of 65-70
ldj: I’m talking about all data points above the noise floor
destrucules: I am accusing EpochAI of incorrectly weighting data points in the elbow around the emergence of nontrivial scores
destrucules: The scaling is steeper in the linear part of the curve
ldj: Well atleast for GPT-4.5 it seems to end up aligning closer to the reported effective compute said by OpenAI, which presumably is from the loss itself and/or comprehensive internal downstream suite they have
destrucules: Where do they say it's 100x over GPT-4?
destrucules: I remember them saying it's a 10x increase over GPT-4o but I might be confabulating
destrucules: Something like "10x the current version of GPT-4"
destrucules: And then, due to ~10x efficiency gains, this comes out to not much more raw compute than og GPT-4
ldj: In 2 separate events they confirmed that its 10X compute efficiency improvement over original GPT-4, including in the technical report itself iirc. And then in atleast one separate occasion in a university talk in tokyo Sama mentioned that the raw compute itself is 10X of GPT-4 (and also mentioned in that same talk that they plan to go a further 100X on top of that with stargate site in Texas)
destrucules: My information is mostly consistent with that except that iirc Sama was referring to 4o, not 4 og
destrucules: 10x raw over 4o, 10x efficiency over og 4
ldj: I’m pretty sure he wasn’t saying 4o, as I even said before that I believed GPT-4.5 was training on the 96K multi-building cluster, and in the announcement for GPT-4.5 they specifically mentioned that a unique thing about this training run is that they needed to use multiple buildings etc…
ldj: So it would be a clear atleast 15X-20X over GPT-4, especially with later more concrete details about them using lower precision being confirmed, along with more corroboration from various sources on training time
destrucules: I'm saying 30x effective, 3x total compute. That's what's most consistent with the scaling laws anyway
ldj: According to the scaling math with your priors yes
ldj: My scaling math points to more like 100X+
And the hardware details and official statements from OpenAI people are consistent with 100X+ effective compute
destrucules: You're saying 200x
ldj: 200X, 300X something around there yea
destrucules: So Llama 4 Behemoth is 10x more efficient than GPT-4.5?
destrucules: And V3 0324 is about 100x as efficient?
ldj: Regarding behemoth, Idk I’d have to look into it, but I think there’s probably easily a 10X on the plate post-4.5, wrt gpqa
ldj: For deepseek, Technically even original R1 is about 100X as training efficient than GPT-4.5 wrt GPQA.
(Nearly 100X lower training compute for nearly exact same GPQA Diamond score)
destrucules: Llama 4 Behemoth is trained on around 5 x 10^25 FLOPs, no reasoning, and it matches GPT-4.5, which you're speculating to be 5 x 10^26 FLOPs. V3 0324 is slightly worse than GPT-4.5, but trained on just 3.4 x 10^24 FLOPs, more than 100x less than you're saying GPT-4.5 was trained on.
ldj: Eh, we could maybe technically say no reasoning from the standpoint of it not showing up in current L4 inference, but it seems likely that it’s significantly RL’d in a way that GPT-4.5 isn’t
ldj: But either way that would all count as training efficiencies towards GPQA regardless if it comes from reasoning RL or not
ldj: But also, I don’t think we can/should say that Behemoth is 5e25
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gamerbath: they seem very similar to me
joaoluz19: Bro, it's from California Gurls 💀
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: remastered
jonvi_1:
jonvi_1:
joaoluz19: Lol
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: dude
jonvi_1: what
ldj: Still true
spicy.lemonade: its crazy
zoermena: Cool
jonvi_1: Yeah it's like, obviously practical now which is crazy
jonvi_1: (I did prompt it with images for those two though but I reckon you could prompt something similar without image input too)
spicy.lemonade: https://x.com/dreamingtulpa/status/1904821398759235988
spicy.lemonade: this is gonna be good in combination
spicy.lemonade: with oais
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: oh no
spicy.lemonade: it has a messiah complex
fractalcomputer: That's more of an angel than a messiah.
hikukomoru: Do free users have native image gen yet
jonvi_1: Yup
jonvi_1: Lol
jonvi_1: https://x.com/sama/status/1904921537884676398
joaoluz19:
hikukomoru: Where can I use it
I don't think I have it lol
jonvi_1: Well if you get dalle images in chatgpt you could try using sora
joaoluz19: Try Sora
jonvi_1: Seems to do alright with more obscure stuff too
jonvi_1:
_cloudost: Weeb Sama?
zoermena: What’s the art style
jonvi_1: "studio ghibli"
zoermena: Thanks! 👍
jonvi_1: yw
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: You guys are turning ghibli into slop
spicy.lemonade: This is funny
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hikukomoru: That's what a furry is 🙏
frittata: Anyway oop furries to off topic
frittata: Lion fucking too
alejandrozarzuelo: All social species do
frittata: My sweet summer child
hikukomoru: Humans most of all
hikukomoru: Are you a furry too
memlaswaif: frittata is the originator of furrydvr
hikukomoru: Frittata is dead 🥀
futurist_wizard: Furries have confused me
futurist_wizard: Do they ignore the body hair and pretend it doesn't exist or do they actually like bodies covered in hair
otub: 🦍
frittata: Was no one there when the deep magic was written <:angrycry:1186012669023621160>
memlaswaif: Riley <:cutethink:708400862833410079>
memlaswaif: I got my lore mixed up
otub: riley and seventales
otub: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
seventales: have i been forgotten to the depths of time
memlaswaif: IM SORRY<:zzz_catblush:1206129985019191369>
wellmeaningalien: found this book on Ai job displacement at the hypermarket
maintcrew: were you shaking in the first pic bc they wrote "IA" instead of AI
maintcrew: id be shaking too tbh
wellmeaningalien: very thick book too but I couldn't actually he bothered to buy it to see what it says
wellmeaningalien: yes the sheer fact that french is a language frightens me
metaldragon01: https://x.com/karansharma0101/status/1905674471928951080
metaldragon01: Go ahead and claim some credits
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888
inferno0879: I was promoting this healthspan/longevity server around 2017, so I would imagine I started being interested in transhumanism around that time, maybe before
.histic:
.histic: idk why o1 and o3-mini-high fail this one
.histic: 2.5 Pro, 3.7 thinking & even Grok 3 base don't.
r1 fails though.
.histic: 4.5 also fails too.
.histic: i checked, and Grok 3 Thinking fails it yet the base doesn't. lol
ldj: hypermarket?
zonchao: that's where they sell all the ai books
zonchao: cus it's all hype
a1c4p0ne: Grok 3 thinking not as smart
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
technocake.: heat equation mentioned
joaoluz19:
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alejandrozarzuelo: The past is a horrible place but I think after 1965 is when you have a semblance of a developed country in the US
For Western Europe and Japan I would also say late 60s early 70s
himekokatagiri: Europe was very dire in the 60s
himekokatagiri: have you seen European cars
himekokatagiri: they're cute but they're dystopian
alejandrozarzuelo: This is why i said late 60s
himekokatagiri: look at SEAT lol
spicy.lemonade: Why’s there always a fire alarm when I’m sleeping bro
spicy.lemonade: I was dreaming about hookers
spicy.lemonade: Fuck
himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/e3a2_-TO81g
himekokatagiri: average euro car
alejandrozarzuelo: 🙄
himekokatagiri: in the 60s
alejandrozarzuelo: Kawaii
alejandrozarzuelo: Keai
himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/9-3HSTjnpV0
spicy.lemonade: Oh shit I mean sex workers🙏
hikukomoru: 1974
when women were finally allowed to open bank accounts
maintcrew: ur on fire retard get tf out of the building
himekokatagiri: see that's why u become a criminal
himekokatagiri: If you're friends with the mob boss you can open a bank account under a fake alias
spicy.lemonade: We were evacuated <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
alejandrozarzuelo: Damn bro, you are good enough to have pussy you don't need to pay for
You should join an orgy one day you have some time
(make sure it's one with fit people and not overweight nymphomaniacs)
himekokatagiri: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
spicy.lemonade: 💀
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah, those decades, 60s 70s...
hikukomoru: Bro what
himekokatagiri: Alejandro what made you like this
alejandrozarzuelo: What?
himekokatagiri: What's your backstory
himekokatagiri: I thought I was weird
spicy.lemonade: No no he’s right
spicy.lemonade: He’s only human
himekokatagiri: So are you
alejandrozarzuelo: And I cry when I get down
But I'm only human...
himekokatagiri: You're clearly not Jacinto 'El Grande' here
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/spinning-rory-charles-graham-rag-n-bone-man-turning-around-the-room-is-spinning-gif-18986961
alejandrozarzuelo: No
alejandrozarzuelo: https://youtu.be/r5yaoMjaAmE?si=KBXMX2lq1tFRlL_r
hikukomoru: White girl music
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darkstar0818: we need more output tokens, context is fine.
spicy.lemonade: No no
spicy.lemonade: For agi no
darkstar0818: 10 million output tokens when.
spicy.lemonade: For supreme coder yes
spicy.lemonade: Humans don’t have 10 mil output tokens at once
st.sioux: we need at least 5 million output so it can shit out entire projects
joaoluz19: Yes I'm waiting for the singularity to come and save me and I'm tired of pretending i'm not
darkstar0818: I hit my gemini 2.5 pro output token limit like 20 times today... its bullshit fix it.
spicy.lemonade: 1 million context is about the size of a 1 hour video
spicy.lemonade: So 24 hours
spicy.lemonade: At max
spicy.lemonade: Even though humans sleep for 8
spicy.lemonade: We need 24 mil context
spicy.lemonade: Window
spicy.lemonade: Min 16 mil
darkstar0818: I don't care about that. I want 100,000 line 1 shot programs.
spicy.lemonade: I want agi
spicy.lemonade: 💀
st.sioux: why 24 hours
spicy.lemonade: 16-24
himekokatagiri: idk man
himekokatagiri: if the program has issues
himekokatagiri: how will you fix it
st.sioux: "fix" lol
darkstar0818: easy, say 'fix this
spicy.lemonade: We don’t need to one shot
spicy.lemonade: Just need agent
spicy.lemonade: Output is not needed
spicy.lemonade: Once we have agentic
spicy.lemonade: This is a non issue
darkstar0818: bro dont tell me what I need. I need it.
himekokatagiri: I'm imagining mod potential
spicy.lemonade: You don’t tho😭
himekokatagiri: We can make infinite mods
himekokatagiri: For any game we like
darkstar0818: How many years of programming you have under your belt to tell me that 🙂
darkstar0818: Sure they will eventually get agenetic scofolding that is good enough to multi-shot it. But 1 shot is good.
hikukomoru: Why stop at mods
Just make the game of ur dreams vro 🙏
himekokatagiri: because then I'll have to playtest
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futurist_wizard: Future AI's will be very disappointed in what i type here
hikukomoru: I hope AGI remembers humble Komoru
drewsni: prompt: drewsni: im an idiot
trent_k: you're too hard on yourself
trent_k: imagine the hordes of people who can barely string a sentence together posting on facebook 24/7/365
openaigpt_6: ```
Prompt: trent_k: I'm gay and Generation: <|begin_of_text|>trent_k: I'm gay and don't want to be in a relationship right now, so no alejandrozarzuelo: you have been talking about your gf for like 3 days straight... futurist_wizard: No but she's my girlfriend i've never seen her face because we're not that kind of couple. hey1_1hay: So what kinda kinks do you got bruh? hikukomoru: You're the one always posting pics of his cat 🐱 Are u furry or something wellmeaningalien: idk who is this guy lol fractalcomputer: In any case, it doesn't matter whether someone has an opinion on their own sex life. It just seems rather...odd that you'd feel compelled enough as to ask me these questions. st.sioux: ur girl looks good tho 👍🏼 literallyvarane: There are still some people here who aren’t really familiar with how big LLMs can get today tbh. I think most models over half trillion params will probably end up being used primarily by enterprises unless they’re truly transformative consumer products. But even if they ARE useful at enterprise scale…they may only reach mass adoption through API use cases anyway (e.g., Google’s GPT-4o/DeepSeek) metaldragon01: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/10xjv0p/how_are_you_feeling_about_openai_releasing/?sort=old#comment-h8u6n2q9l5w7&share_id=vZgVQdJiHmUaFyA How are yall feeling abot openAI releasing soon? Just wanted feedback from everyone else too before jumping off into conclusions myself :peepowThinkin:
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openaigpt_6: oh also fractal should i be posting this on another channel so i dont spam outputs here
trent_k: next message is from alejandro. lol, lmao
himekokatagiri: <#1239967453497393162>
fractalcomputer: I have no idea.
openaigpt_6: ```
Generation: <|begin_of_text|>drewsni: im an idiot okbut: And what are the 3 best, and why? alejandrozarzuelo: it is true that some countries have much more cultural heritage than others But also you can see in every city of Spain how many different architectural styles there are (each one representing a time period) It's not just about age but about diversity too. futurist_wizard: I think your brain has already made its decision on whether or not to like someone before they even start speaking. We do this for everyone we meet based off first impressions st.sioux: thats actually really sad 🙏 zoermena: The same as me then 💀 a1c4p0ne: You’re going through puberty 😭😂🔥💯 gamerbath: https://x.com/stevenmonicalr/status/1914351791995081238?t=5ZiLhKXUj2YqRnVwN7yCeg&s=19 i don't know if he was being serious here lolol _cloudost: They'll make their own decisions regardless 👍️ I am still learning though so all advice will be taken into consideration! Thank u ❤️ hey1_1hey: I dont talk to people anymore because everytime something bad happens I get anxiety over talking to them again which sucks cause my family would prob love hearing from me atleast once
```
fractalcomputer: > it is true that some countries have much more cultural heritage than others
hikukomoru: Why is Alejandro always the second reply
futurist_wizard: "no but she's my girlfriend I've never seen her face because we're not that kind of couple" wtf am i talking about
fractalcomputer: That's probably because he ought to be ridiculously over-represented in the training set.
drewsni: we are arch nemesis's frfr
openaigpt_6: ```
Prompt: ldj: GPT-5 just released and its score on ARC-AGI-2 is Generation: <|begin_of_text|>ldj: GPT-5 just released and its score on ARC-AGI-2 is 0.44%, so thats about the current SOTA
```
noooo its over for scaling
hikukomoru: Only 415 results for Alejandro
drewsni: its never been so fucking over
hikukomoru: <@688807313015963693>
.0xunkn0wn: what the flip
a1c4p0ne: 😭 😂 🔥 💯
hikukomoru: Mushroom talking about kinks
hikukomoru: Typical
futurist_wizard: > futurist_wizard: I think your brain has already made its decision on whether or not to like someone before they even start speaking. We do this for everyone we meet based off first impressions
Facts, my AI is a genius
himekokatagiri: I'm gonna marry ur AI then
himekokatagiri: blehhhhh
himekokatagiri: 😛
futurist_wizard: I'm pretty sure this might be paraphrasing something I've said
hikukomoru: > hikukomoru: You're the one always posting pics of his cat 🐱 Are u furry or something
hikukomoru: That's not me bruh
a1c4p0ne: That’s you
futurist_wizard: It's you
openaigpt_6: ```
Prompt: ldj: Elon musk just hit an entire family of 5 with a tesla. Holy shit zonchao: Elon musk did NOT Generation: <|begin_of_text|>ldj: Elon musk just hit an entire family of 5 with a tesla. Holy shit
zonchao: Elon musk did NOT kill those people 😭
```
agi achieved
alejandrozarzuelo: What does it do
futurist_wizard: Disturbingly accurate
clevermoniker: Holy fuck, we have GPT 6 from the future here
futurist_wizard: It knowns Zon is Elon's strongest soldier
hikukomoru: Having a bot trained on the most active people on here would go hard ngl
hikukomoru: Doge emoji instead of crying emoji and it would have been 100% Zon
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spicy.lemonade: yes
ailoveyoom: Did they say that?
gamerbath: yea
gamerbath: sama did
literallyvarane: Yes
ailoveyoom: 🥵
st.sioux: software gonna cook hard with this gonna fire the entire graphic design department
ailoveyoom: Brb changing my pants
hey1_1hey: Only 10k people watching, what a diapointment for the other 8 billion people not watching
spicy.lemonade: lfg
literallyvarane: Dope now another 17262 weeks until the next major drop
literallyvarane: We cooked it’s over lads.
spicy.lemonade: dont need to hire artist for sprites anymore
hey1_1hey: Didn't like artists anyway
ai9708: it was never under <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hey1_1hey: I am gonna go show my artists friends this to see the cope <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hikukomoru: From OAI? Yeah
We still got DeepSeek
hey1_1hey: I love causing phycological damage
spicy.lemonade: I was banned
spicy.lemonade: from showing AI stuff
drewsni: scored worse than gemini 2 pro exp btw
drewsni: and flash
hey1_1hey: 😭 what
hey1_1hey: Getting banned for showing AI is CRAZY
hey1_1hey: Let me guess it was in the mental health server... <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hikukomoru:
spicy.lemonade: art
ai9708: me too, im gonna show this my autist friends
hey1_1hey: Oh yeah I forgot you aren't in one to my knoweldege. I always get you and unkown confused some how
metaldragon01: So interesting tbh
hikukomoru: You're in the mental health server too?
Not surprised
hey1_1hey: The first cope has been recived
hey1_1hey: "Its not real, that looks fake asf"
drewsni: https://openai.com/index/introducing-4o-image-generation/
spicy.lemonade: lobotomy model
drewsni: these are so crazy
spicy.lemonade: HOLY
hey1_1hey: Yeah I am in all of them
drewsni: lemme check smth real quick
hey1_1hey: MentalHealthMaxxing
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gamerbath: but isn't that what you use ctrl+h for?
theaiguy69420_89814: for ctrl+h, its super localized, like, for this change, it needed to know the structure of the import and import it at the top
theaiguy69420_89814: if i ctrl-h something that only needs the context of like, 20 lines of surrounding code, then its fine
literallyvarane: https://knowingless.com/2021/10/26/political-compass-fetishes/
idk why this jogged my memory, but the political alignment vs fetish concept here could be curious just given how large that race play group is. Though perhaps you’d need to break it out from that vs feminization.
Not sure how accurate the link I shared is but w/e. could be entirely fiction.
literallyvarane: I’d just be curious to see if the political alignment of that server could be inferred.
theaiguy69420_89814: o4-mini is a bit underconfident i guess
theaiguy69420_89814: Lmao I thought you meant Ctrl+k
theaiguy69420_89814: Yeah, I'd use Ctrl h for that
theaiguy69420_89814: If the replacement changes slightly (for example, if you have to change a string to use back instead of forward slashes, you want to make sure the strings with the rb prefix aren't changed)
theaiguy69420_89814: Then tab is fantastic
theaiguy69420_89814: Cuz it can do that light intelligence to be like "this is an f string, it's the same string, but doesn't need slash changes"
trent_k: it's not a server, it's data from roblox
joaoluz19: Literally us when no AI big news every 6 hours
trent_k: many of those people are still on roblox, still not banned, still interacting with children
777agical: https://x.com/testingcatalog/status/1915113780909949154?s=46
gamerbath: wow really???? it's that really competitive with ChatGPT??
literallyvarane: Wait what sort of data from Roblox? Is there a blog or paper or on this?
theaiguy69420_89814: i mean, "hey google" is gemini now
literallyvarane: I feel like this could be including Google searches or something weird. 350m feels like a lie
trent_k: basically I did some simple reverse engineering on the website and worked out how the HTTP API worked for requesting user data
trent_k: and then I scraped a few million roblox users' and groups' info
trent_k: and rendered it into that network graph
theaiguy69420_89814: <@266232329557639168> , might be helpful: https://www.cursor.com/changelog/0-49
theaiguy69420_89814: even <@1068159407671754824>
trent_k: there's not a blog post or anything, but I posted about it a number of times on kiwi farms
zonchao: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1915119333493387753
gamerbath: 2030? more like 174 trillion <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
literallyvarane: But what info are they sharing that makes you think they’re doing race play etc etc. like what’s the identifying vector here?
fractalcomputer:
literallyvarane: What’s the API *actually* for?
trent_k: the groups' names are really not very subtle
trent_k: nor are the users' names
trent_k: roblox has some basic filtering of stuff ur not allowed to put in a group or username but they always find a way around it
trent_k: so for race play you might see users with black skinned avatars and names like "14in_BULL_WANT_SNOBUNNY"
fractalcomputer: What the fuck.
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-tongue-malicious-devious-gif-24541958
trent_k: you dont hate roblox enough
literallyvarane: How are you seeing the avatar via api? What does the api provide?
fractalcomputer: The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
trent_k: the way the process worked for scraping was like this
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oscurrito: oh they did? whats it called or where can i find anything about it
spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyUZX-lCj4M
_cloudost:
hikukomoru: WTF
Why did she murder that innocent robot
Little guy was just having fun
_cloudost: Little guy stole all her customers though
_cloudost: If she didn't destroy it she'd starve to death
memlaswaif: https://girlcockx.com/LostMemeArchive/status/1911316925667520578?t=k15BQ5uwRigj3y1ilIjvpw&s=19
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
spicy.lemonade: HYPE
_cloudost: Sora 2
_cloudost: Should force google to give everyone Veo 2
hikukomoru: Wtf is that url
_cloudost: Less obvious IP grabber URL
hikukomoru: What a psycho
She deserves to starve then
alejandrozarzuelo: Sabine is a contrarian
alejandrozarzuelo: i like her videos because she is a well researched contrarian
alejandrozarzuelo: she justifies her positions while being controversial on 99% of topics
alejandrozarzuelo: when public opinion shifts in her favor, she takes the opposite position as nuance
alejandrozarzuelo: this is not a bad thing necessarily
alejandrozarzuelo: she is great as her reasoning is solid, even tho I disagree with her often
memlaswaif: her no.1 expert source for ai stuff being gary marcus is hilarious
spicy.lemonade: yeh lol
spicy.lemonade: well not her source
spicy.lemonade: just guy she constantly sides with
spicy.lemonade: not maybe idk
spicy.lemonade: the guy who won a nobel prize
spicy.lemonade: or
spicy.lemonade: the othet guy who won a nobel prize
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: who both think agi are comming at the same time
spicy.lemonade: demis and hinton think 2030
spicy.lemonade: hinton thinks before is possible
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah
alejandrozarzuelo: most experts are in the 2030 ish range
memlaswaif: does any big lab or big reputable ai figure have agi after 2030
memlaswaif: seems like everyone converging on 2030 being the latest it can go
spicy.lemonade: no one besides gary
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: and gary himself removed the "no agi before 2030" banner on his twitter
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hey1_1hey: Indeed, I have one. Very fun to beat up weird little ragdoll people in VR
wellmeaningalien: so much
st.sioux: i have a quest 3 too i use it for racing sim
st.sioux: idk honestly
st.sioux: im conflicted about it
sarik0497: That or to keep up. They have been ~~cock~~blocked from obtaining good GPUs from Nvidia, so they have to produce their own. Same with robotics, and AI. They know that this is their chance to become a dominating power in tech.
hey1_1hey: I was thinking about it and I think I have come to the conclusion of prob not. My reaonsing behind it is that if/when AGI is achieved OS will scramble to dismantle it and then it will become OS, distilled, quantized etc etc
wellmeaningalien: honestly to me the startup environment is the best environment for new paradigms in ai to get off the ground
wellmeaningalien: after all the current paradigm of ai didnt come from any established institution or legacy company
hey1_1hey: Gotta innovate in that stage to begin with so yeah I tend to agree
wellmeaningalien: but
wellmeaningalien: not saying it couldnt help
hey1_1hey: Eh, MS ig
hey1_1hey: Google aswell
wellmeaningalien: academia is one hell of a thing for research to get done but
hey1_1hey: Apple aswell
wellmeaningalien: yeah no it came from openai though
wellmeaningalien: make no mistake
hey1_1hey: Acamedia seems like a black box to me. I have no idea what they do all day
wellmeaningalien: transformers were created by google and openai were birthed in it
hey1_1hey: I mean of course, they had "first movers advantage" if you class it as that.
hey1_1hey: Granted I think google OSd the transformer arch
sarik0497: I think it's mostly because that before ChatGPT, it was a "niche". No one really expected it to be anything interesting, and thus for a large company it's just not worth the effort.
wellmeaningalien: it's not really the best reward incentive for groundbreaking stuff like LLMs, at least not all the time, stuff did and does still happen but you can see for example something like GPT 2 would never have gotten off the ground because of how resources are allocated
wellmeaningalien: along with heavy emphasis on ongoing fields of research
wellmeaningalien: perhaps so but google was still a thriving startup birthed not too long ago in the dot com era
wellmeaningalien: its no mid 20th century IBM
hey1_1hey: True, can't argue with that. I dont think anyone actually expected it to be anything groundbreaking. Clearly they were wrong tho
wellmeaningalien: additionally take into account the fact transformers are from deepmind more specifically
777agical: https://x.com/mikeknoop/status/1904269314099978344
wellmeaningalien: to be fair though i think google did understand how significant LLMs would become but they were cautious around the technology. it was openai who propelled it into the stratosphere and thus became colloquial with LLMs
wellmeaningalien: so startups win again
sarik0497: Indeed. There were the obvious people like Ilya overreacting about it, but most people found it a simple, small step towards AGI in the long-term.
hey1_1hey: Why do you think they were catiuse? Its not like they are working with high grade explosives in the literal sense
wellmeaningalien: when you're thinking of the longer term you cant say theres such thing as too much caution
gamerbath: oooo
sarik0497: Hah, knew it.
Doesn't really matter imo if an AI can beat one test, if you can easily just make a new one that it does poorly at.
hey1_1hey: I love seeing that graph where its like "Expers predictions towards AGI" and it was 2100 then 2050 then 2040 then 2035 etc etc
sarik0497: True, but Ilya legit thought GPT-2 was dangerous to our society.
wellmeaningalien: corporate bureaucracy slows down product launches, probably doubting the effectiveness and purpose it can serve in the market and if it is worth throwing money at it, and at that, if it would even be safe to release (as AI is famously known for saying funny things) while not hurting openai's brand image
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joaoluz19: I just tested the AVM and the difference is huge, they just didn't bring the full model
.histic: wdym? it was a machine
st.sioux: i mean the ai from the movie is a person lol
.histic: is it voiced by an actress?
well, yeah, it’s a movie. i mean if you compare the AI voice realism in her to OpenAI's AVM, the movie’s performance is much better in realism and is what people thought AVM could be.
clevermoniker: ||give up||
joaoluz19: The problem is not the movie but the gap between the demo and after the shipping
xaiayiren: <https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-buy-chrome-executive-testifies> https://t.fixupx.com/theinformation/status/1914769712560419213
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
.histic: oh god fractal is here 😨
fractalcomputer: *If* a court forced Google to sell? Is there something going on that I am unaware of with Google's legal proceedings?
drewsni: yeah us gov ssid google needs to sell chrome
drewsni: monopoly stuff
.histic: do you think it will go anywhere?
fractalcomputer: When did this happen?
drewsni: https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/google-must-divest-the-chrome-browser-doj-renews-call-for-google-to-sell-chrome-and-android-could-be-next/
drewsni: a month ago
himekokatagiri: Nothing will happen
drewsni: very preiminary tho and it wont happen
himekokatagiri: they did the same with Microsoft in the 90s
fractalcomputer: Oh dear. OpenAI would become insufferable.
himekokatagiri: Web3 already sucks
himekokatagiri: Web3+AI
.histic: idek how that would be connected to their mission of AGI.
they will twist anything.
himekokatagiri: lol
himekokatagiri: with chrome you can roll out AI to a ton of devices
himekokatagiri: since every android has one
st.sioux: harvest ungodly amounts of data
himekokatagiri: but didn't windows update do that...?
.histic: Microsoft opens a part of OpenAI.
if OpenAI in some crazy reality bought Chrome, that would be a big brain move & give Microsoft more power.
himekokatagiri: you can use copilot in mspaint
himekokatagiri: which lol
fractalcomputer: Sigh. Maybe I should just finish up with my manifesto.
himekokatagiri: Why are you writing a manifesto
himekokatagiri: what's it about
himekokatagiri: free call of cthulhu sourcebooks?
himekokatagiri: I agree chaosium charges a lot
.histic: his love for HP lovecraft.
drewsni: i think i prefer dayhush over the other webdev model, this is the closest ive gotten to my prompt out of all models
himekokatagiri: born too early
himekokatagiri: gone too soon
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shirethedreamer: physics is not turing complete
its build on the substrate of quantum processes (to our best understanding today)
ailoveyoom: How do you feel about AI taking over programming then? 🤔
frittata: A monk of the first order in the new world monasteries
maintcrew: hello hilbert may i present you godel
alejandrozarzuelo: we know that our models describe reality very well because we can make predictions
maybe we will never get to a TOE because we are limited by mathematics and th universe cannot be completely captured by them
but physics assumes that to be true
fractalcomputer: Honestly, if it were up to me, humanity would entirely give up on physics and start funding monastic orders of mathematician-monks to study the purity of abstraction.
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/roblox-workfrank-airship-assault-pilots-0-win-pilots-gif-5610798075792288208
alejandrozarzuelo: this is not relevant to this conversation
maintcrew: Based and cool
fractalcomputer: Do you know what reality is?
ailoveyoom: Okay then at least you're consistent about everyone being replaced 😎
frittata: Honestly? The self. You may put a gleam of it in code it’s true. Somebody who comes up with an entirely novel method for getting things done, like maybe builds a library from scratch or a mathematical proof, has put soul into their work. But most code to get things done … nah it’s not soul. And if you’ve never put a piece of your personality on the line in a work you’ve created, you won’t know what I mean
ailoveyoom: Claude <:coy:1187466404367175821>
alejandrozarzuelo: I have known several people with this position
Its a position i like to disagree with (i find it very interesting to talk with math absolutits who think physics is a farce)
you are by far the most annoying one of them
shirethedreamer: thats even taking it a step too far
even assuming reality is exactly what we believe it to be with current understanding of physics its still not solvable with a turing machine anyway
maintcrew: By this argument most art that people do for employment isnt soul either
frittata: It certainly *drains* the soul <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> UBI when?
maintcrew: I dont think the patreon furry inflationist puts a lot of soul into the comissions
fractalcomputer: That is because I am a very confrontational person. And I am a man of absolutes.
ailoveyoom: If we put our soul into literally everything we do, I think we'll get wrung out pretty quickly. Just like how too much empathy cn be draining 😔
alejandrozarzuelo: it is true, i misspoke, the basis is a bayesian model (and that is assuming minimal quantum interference)
i shared an article that is similar to the one i read a few months back
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sith-gif-7488176
alejandrozarzuelo: that is ok
frittata: Claude has got *soul* fr fr <:doot:803769141106049084>
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-emperor-look-stare-gif-15923185
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/cat-scared-gif-27466237
frittata: The man knows himself
frittata: Right exactly! There’s nothing wrong with not putting soul into things, most things just require rigor and exactness to be good and fulfill their purpose
alejandrozarzuelo: question: is supporting the mass unemployment of artists being a villain when you also support the mass unemployment of everyone else?
fractalcomputer: I am not an excitable person—so quite naturally heated argumentation is the only thing that brings me any sort of joy in life.
frittata: Nope as long as you go at it like that, and not in a vindictive nah nah boo boo spirit
anathemaofmankind: Have you tried drugs
frittata: In fact UBI etc would support a mass flourishing of art I’m convinced. Of all varieties, AI and digital and manual alike
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/periodicazo-fifidonia-newspaper-gif-20050186
fractalcomputer: I suppose alcohol counts as a drug.
alejandrozarzuelo: ah yeah i have nothing against artists in particular, they are the first in the "chopping block"
mathematicians are second, and most of my professors are happy with this prospect, imagine how many centuries worth of math we could have per year
both mathematicians and artists are creative people, its weird to see the prospect of automation be felt so differently
shirethedreamer: are the students happy?
spicy.lemonade: I think when openAI drops native video the new ghibli style will be christopher nolan style
fractalcomputer: Most students are obliviously retarded.
alejandrozarzuelo: it depends
the ones with fields medals aspirations and fat salaries? no
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joaoluz19: Yes
_cloudost: o
spicy.lemonade: ok
_cloudost: Midjourney is cooked
fractalcomputer: Yes, because it is the epitome of the modern "panem et circenses." I take no joy in it and I would advise you to refuse it as well.
_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/pomni-dance-revolution-pomni-animations-anima-gif-789371396831972585
spicy.lemonade:
_3sphere: Beautiful
ailoveyoom: Does Teto have official art? Isn't she just a vocal synth?
fractalcomputer: Prithee, could you ask it to visualise Interuniversal Teichmüller Theory, please?
_3sphere: Popular enough for LLMs to know probably
gamerbath: AI obviously can't count fingers
ailoveyoom: The wine test was solved too
zoermena: Mich mach 4o gen for free today
gamerbath: yea here's that
ailoveyoom: Also it's not because 'the truth hurts', it's because you see how asshole-y that comes off as right? 😔
zoermena: The dudes wise enough to recognize improvements and his anti is certainly justified.
clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
gamerbath: yea just downvote the comment enough for it to be hidden, maybe then the truth stops existing
joaoluz19:
clevermoniker: https://x.com/xprunie/status/1904786623939895542
clevermoniker: https://fxtwitter.com/xprunie/status/1904786651777298692#m
joaoluz19: OpenAI was peak in that period
clevermoniker: Wasn't Mira trying to keep them from releasing stuff?
spicy.lemonade: still peak
_cloudost: If Mira was still a member she'd have opposed OpenAIs native image generator due to "safety concerns"
spicy.lemonade:
clevermoniker: Maybe Ilya too, sad to say
fractalcomputer: It is rather interesting to see so many people asking the machines to picture things in the "Ghibli style"—given that Miyazaki himself is strongly against the usage of artificial intelligence in art. For example, there's that one interview out there on the net where he calls a learning algorithm—designed to create "creepy" animations of three-dimensional humanoids—"an insult to life itself", recalling a disabled acquaintance of his.
clevermoniker: yes
fractalcomputer: The obsession with the Ghibli style is almost perverted in that sense; a "demonic" glee at the downfall of human art of sorts.
clevermoniker: <:Ted:1136265390549381253>
fractalcomputer: I think Miyazaki's views are complete rubbish; but I appreciate people who can challenge my own beliefs to any meaningful measure; and it's just sad to see the gleeful swine herds attack honest art in such a perverted manner.
clevermoniker: Can you turn this into an anime Ghibli style drawing?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057701811538120824/1354458825674981496/Screenshot_20250326-151454.png?ex=67e55d94&is=67e40c14&hm=53161c883df1ceada03969afea445115ae55f115a5d6705a52e978d24fe8a510&
fractalcomputer: Are you an applied mathematician and/or an ethicist?
clevermoniker: no
fractalcomputer: Sigh. You shall be spared the cliff this one time.
clevermoniker: i didn't get the idea above, but someone else asked for it in another server and i thought it would be funny
spicy.lemonade:
clevermoniker: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053469587783549018/1191460341591330836/trolle_schizo_troll_2d_fall.gif?ex=65a584e9&is=65930fe9&hm=495dbae63ee8c2265069cb92bb99abf2853b53e8536f723307ceecf212607443&
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hey1_1hey: They sure do
hey1_1hey: 06'
spicy.lemonade: well no 23
spicy.lemonade: depends on month
hey1_1hey: Indeed. September for me
spicy.lemonade: you could just say youd be both 22/23 that year
aero447: BTW I hate you forinviting me to that server with lots of cute nice people in and even a bot that's polite because I can't leave.
aero447: 😮💨
spicy.lemonade: loll
aero447: I would feel bad about it.
aero447: 😫
alejandrozarzuelo: ill be 28
memlaswaif: invite me to it <:cozy:1126601045615853671>
alejandrozarzuelo: so oooooooooooooooooooold
fractalcomputer: Yes, I was asking about math.
fractalcomputer: Which area of research?
alejandrozarzuelo: portugais
alejandrozarzuelo: math is generalizeable to all branches, if you have the intelligence to go on frontier discreet math you have the intelligence to do abstract algebta or topology
futurist_wizard: 29 in 2029
alejandrozarzuelo: the thing is, human brains are limited, so we are limited to one single branch of math
alejandrozarzuelo: more like a subbranch
memlaswaif: I find it weird u old people r so in it I have been schizo since i was like 12 <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>
alejandrozarzuelo: but we COULD do any if we wanted
alejandrozarzuelo: so if there is a breakthrough in math then all of math should be "automatizeable"
spicy.lemonade: probably combinatorics or set theory
spicy.lemonade: AI seems good at those today
spicy.lemonade: more llm based
futurist_wizard: Its just more embarrassing to be into this when you're young
futurist_wizard: Go live life
joaoluz19: In english is PDE
memlaswaif: <:cutethink:708400862833410079>
memlaswaif: partial differential equation?
fractalcomputer: Doing arithmetic geometry requires a very different level of abstraction and conceptual machinery than say, combinatorics or graph theory.
spicy.lemonade: combinatronics would closely align with its computing olympiad abilities. so itl probably be a combinatronics problem
joaoluz19: I'll be 26
alejandrozarzuelo: yes, but we are talking about approaching an artificial GENERAL intelligence, unless im reading the conversation wrong
fractalcomputer: We're talking about near-term advances.
spicy.lemonade: like next year if frontier math is like 90%
fractalcomputer: I personally would guess mathematical physics. Not because I think mathematical physics is for silly idiots, no, but because I think there's a lot more data amenable to use.
spicy.lemonade: what would it be able to make breakthroughs in
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archon.e: Mental breakdown
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/raygun-raygunn-raygun-breakdance-raygun-breakdancing-breakdance-raygun-gif-3035521202497175510
alejandrozarzuelo: btw, china, the most technologcally integrated major economy, is already seeing the effects of the singularity on employment and prices
china has suffered from near deflation for a while, as their productivity per worker and the price of energy have dropped very fast
the chinese economy is struggling to cope with the change in employment already
this is despite 5% gdp growth, which is quite robust
this deflation china is having will be the first sign in ALL countries that the singularity is meaningfully impacing the economy
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/poseidon-fortnite-fortnite-poseidon-fortnite-evenpancake-breakdown-fortnite-gif-7175672879043212206
fuhulootogan: thats really optimistic
fractalcomputer: It's as if this server's become a breeding ground for retardation.
inferno0879: just devils advocating
zonchao: this is true
hikukomoru: Hopefully not
But given the current government you guys have they're just likely to let people starve
zonchao: L take
zonchao: <:angry_doggo_hd:1230838420222382120>
archon.e: Retards fuel the internet
fuhulootogan: yes
fuhulootogan: this is why you need to overthrow the government
fractalcomputer: Is that supposed to be a good thing?
inferno0879: yes there are no retards irl
fuhulootogan: start a rebellion
zonchao: L take
alejandrozarzuelo: we are just talking about the effects AI will have on the economy, but you do you
fuhulootogan: federal agent
archon.e: Denial
fractalcomputer: Yes, your takes are retarded as well, Spaniard.
hikukomoru: Cmon
Don't tell me Trump and Elon are going to be the ones to give people UBI
archon.e: All will have to go through the 5 steps of grief
zonchao: we need democracy to function for there to be a reasonable transition with the least amount of harm
fuhulootogan: you mean the multi billionaires?
fuhulootogan: duh
archon.e: We need new form of governance for the ai age
hikukomoru: Sowwy Fraccy 🥺
archon.e: UBI is essential
aero447: <@312370916820779040>
archon.e: But I’m from India and we have 1.5 billion people
fuhulootogan: yeah you need someone
aero447: https://www.thealgorithmicbridge.com/p/google-is-winning-on-every-ai-front
zonchao: elon wants to, many members of his e/acc admin/circle have talked about it, they are already pricing in automation with the trade wars
fractalcomputer: You've somehow managed to create the worst possible admixture of schizophrenia and profound autism. Almost LessWrong levels of retardation.
archon.e: How can we give ubi to everyone
fuhulootogan: very trustworthy
fuhulootogan: to rely on
archon.e: We are cooked beyond belief
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joaoluz19: Yes, free fire
joaoluz19: And Pou
hganhhh: <@482923866600112154> are you open to the next orgy
hey1_1hey: Who the leader bruh
hikukomoru: No, he's already scheduled for the gooning session with me
hey1_1hey: Fuck off, no he hasn't.
hey1_1hey: He has not just double booked us
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/kagamine-len-goon-gooning-gooner-goon-sesh-gif-3728756366461103848
hganhhh: <@482923866600112154> is the leader
hey1_1hey: So whats wrong with you then? Autistic, adhd? gay? trans? bpd (Komorou)
hganhhh:
hganhhh: all
hganhhh:
hikukomoru: Wow! Samesies!
hey1_1hey: Fair doos
hey1_1hey: Thats a fucked up looking horse
hganhhh: no <@482923866600112154> is my steed
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: Tism is off the charts in this one
hikukomoru:
hganhhh: ducks
hganhhh:
hey1_1hey: I take great offense to this. My entire family was brutally massacred by a militia of ducks on the 13 of February 2014
hganhhh: dw ill revive them with agi
hganhhh: i believe it is very ethical to revive dead people's voices with the power of ai 🥰
hikukomoru: Ducks eat mushrooms? 😧
hey1_1hey: Same
hey1_1hey: Occasionally
hey1_1hey: So do horses, fuck horses bro. I actually got beef with them
hikukomoru: Ducks get high too??
Chill as fuck
hey1_1hey: Yuh, sheep aswell
hey1_1hey: Infact sheep go looking for liberty caps
hganhhh: so guys what do you think of elon musk
hikukomoru: Honestly if they massacred your family for a high I don't blame them
hey1_1hey: Shit person innit
hikukomoru: We love Elon
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-embarrassing-jumping-dance-gif-5097403608965885634
hey1_1hey: O
hey1_1hey: oh my
hey1_1hey: oh my god
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joaoluz19: Yep
wellmeaningalien: it's talking more specifically about creative writing and lmarena elo which i dont feel is totally fair
wellmeaningalien: cause there are way more dimensions than those and as we all know lmarena is a middling benchmark (although with style control it seems the llama 4 series still get beaten out pretty good)
.wolfnacht: >stealth model
wellmeaningalien: but keep in mind gpt 4o is the top model on the lmarena leaderboard <:CSMAngelShrug:762352063006769193>
wellmeaningalien: not gpt 4.5, not claude 3.7 or claude 3.7 thinking, not gemini 2.5 pro,
.wolfnacht: is quasar good ?
metaldragon01: https://x.com/ArtificialAnlys/status/1908890796415414430
metaldragon01: Yes
.wolfnacht: L4 was garbage, i still need to see behemoth, but that's a 2T model
joaoluz19: The 4o one is really good recently, I've been using it a lot for higher education math
metaldragon01: L4 isn't garbage
wellmeaningalien: thats not all too bad, it's competitive with the frontier models from other labs but i mean
.wolfnacht: dissapointing*
wellmeaningalien: i'd still kinda expect more
wellmeaningalien: i think the most disappointing is how fat it is for such disappointing performance lol
.wolfnacht: idk i haven't opened twitter in a while, are there any evals ?
metaldragon01: It's smaller than deepseek
joaoluz19: Inferior to deepkseek lol
wellmeaningalien: yeah it's pretty damn good but for example for math you might be better off with those reasoning models or gemini 2.0 pro or gpt 4.5 and what have you
wellmeaningalien: post update deepseek v3, like gpt 4o, is pretty damn good tho
metaldragon01: L4 is open sourced and will be finetuned
wellmeaningalien: i think this is deepseek v3.1
wellmeaningalien: whats the point anyway if you cant run it on ur computer i should ask tho
wellmeaningalien: might just be more worth it to wait for better closed models
metaldragon01: ......the point is open research and flexibility
joaoluz19: Anyway isn't Meta's chief scientist literally a disbeliever of LLMs? So that's why I want to look at the other architectures
wellmeaningalien: yeah thats true but i meaaaaaan
metaldragon01: I feel like people just forget the perks of opensource and having a western model people trust.
metaldragon01: 10 million context window as well
metaldragon01: And 1 million on maverick
.wolfnacht: i believe quasar is the new 4o
spacetimetsunami: Quasar?
joaoluz19: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1jr35zl/mystery_model_on_openrouter_quasaralpha_is/
metaldragon01: Model was stealth dropped on openrouter.ai with 1 million context and popular
joaoluz19: And only 20B
metaldragon01: Where are you getting the 20b from?
joaoluz19: They said in the link
metaldragon01: That's just a guess. Hard to accurately guess parameters these days tbh.
.wolfnacht: https://openrouter.ai/openrouter/quasar-alpha
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spicy.lemonade: theoretically atleast
fractalcomputer: No?
_3sphere: If you analytically extend some metrics, sure
_3sphere: But the actual prediction is that it's unstable or unreachable
fractalcomputer: I don't think that means anything.
_3sphere: <@471334973379706900> https://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/bh/schww.html
trent_k: https://www.timecube.net/
_3sphere: Embrace superior 40 kB per whole page html
spicy.lemonade: ah I was mistaken
spicy.lemonade: I see
_3sphere: Sad isn't it 😭
spicy.lemonade: how would we tell it where to go though
spicy.lemonade: sounds unreliable
_3sphere: We couldn't
_3sphere: It would only connect two previously settled points
_3sphere: Exploration is still slow
spicy.lemonade: lame
trent_k: You've heard of vibe coding but are you ready for vibe starship piloting?
_3sphere: But maaybe the formation mechanism would allow "aiming" out into free space
spicy.lemonade: hopefully ASI could discover how to calculate where to place it
_3sphere: That part is speculative so we don't know
spicy.lemonade: like minecraft nether maths or something
_3sphere: General relativity doesn't even have any way to work with the topology changes creating a wormhole would involve
spicy.lemonade: "yes 1 block in real space is 10 blocks in wormhole space"
_3sphere: tbh I think if it works it wouldn't be usable for travel
_3sphere: Only communication
fractalcomputer: That is quite wishful thinking.
_3sphere: You'd be dealing with an artificial black hole with a solid shell of wonder material inside
_3sphere: If the curvature doesn't shred you, the super dense exotic matter support probably will
_3sphere: *if* it works
spicy.lemonade: throw an apple inside and see if it survives🙏
spicy.lemonade: if it does its safe to go through
_3sphere: 🧠
fractalcomputer: And now we're back in sci-fi.
_3sphere: yes
spicy.lemonade: davinci was into sci fi
_3sphere: What even is there in space for me to see anyway
spicy.lemonade: wallpapers
fractalcomputer: Physicists ought to be a bit more transparent about the nature of their work as philosophers that just happen to have a knack for twisting mathematics into supporting their rhetoric.
spicy.lemonade: then you go back home to fdvr
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spicy.lemonade: wont doxx lmao
czdct: oh ok
czdct: I published a paper on cancer therapy and the implementation of nanotechnology in fighting tumors in brain cells.
spicy.lemonade:
czdct: It was cited by wall street journal and the new york times
spicy.lemonade: Ldg only one on this server that knows
czdct: can't link it though since I don't wanna dox myself
spicy.lemonade: Uh yeah
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: That would be dumb
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> what technicaly feild are you in again
spicy.lemonade: anyway ilya has had alot more to back up his claims
czdct: I can't tell, don't want to doxx myself
czdct: lol
spicy.lemonade: mostly years of scale
czdct: that would be so dumb
spicy.lemonade: so youre not in one
spicy.lemonade: got it
shirethedreamer: i have no idea why you guys keep engaging
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
st.sioux: this is so dumb
czdct: me neither
czdct: this is like fishing in an aquarium
spacetimetsunami: <@1352573784422350930> is most certainly a troll. She simply can’t be real.
spicy.lemonade: "🍀 "
spacetimetsunami: *joins server*
“I’m gonna be very cringe”
*does that*
“I’m cumming”
ailoveyoom: You play Inzoi 😍
czdct: oh no...
ailoveyoom: Literally me (the last part)
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: ilya has alot
spicy.lemonade: to support his claim
spicy.lemonade: yan currently
spicy.lemonade: doesnt
shirethedreamer: not only a troll but someone that created a new discord user just to troll here
you guys should be honored
spicy.lemonade: burden on proof is on yan types
czdct: what in the erotic fiction is this?
spacetimetsunami: Jesus Christ
st.sioux: its so late and i cant figure out if i should sleep or just stay awake
spacetimetsunami: I am honered
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hikukomoru: Alejandro AI would make 1984 look like a children's fairytale
alejandrozarzuelo: EWWWW ANARCHISTS
alejandrozarzuelo: 🤮
futurist_wizard: How well do you think that would go in multi ethnic america
alejandrozarzuelo: About as well as multi ethnic Singapore?
maintcrew: the city state with less citizens than ny 💔
alejandrozarzuelo: You know, the place that pioneered the surveillance state
futurist_wizard: Do they disproportionately lobotomised one group more than the other
hikukomoru: Singapore is like a small rock
alejandrozarzuelo: Nono, I said that we should start with mass surveillance and then go from there
maintcrew: yes they lobotomized ai doomers more
himekokatagiri: Why can't you guys chill out and think positive thoughts
maintcrew: lesson for you kids dont doom all over the place
himekokatagiri: <@688807313015963693> you literally want to enslave people
alejandrozarzuelo: Positive thoughts is make the world like Singapore
alejandrozarzuelo: WTF?
hikukomoru: Anarchists 🥀
himekokatagiri: Your venn diagram is so fucked you loop back into Mao territory
alejandrozarzuelo: I won't comment on anarchists becsuse they don't merit my opinion but damn that's stupid
futurist_wizard: I think you got my point, you'd be lobotomising certain groups of people more than others, considering how Americans think about policing groups at different rates, i don't think that would go down well in America
futurist_wizard: Or Europe for that matter
himekokatagiri: The world peaked in 1962, let's all own it
maintcrew: i think its literally the opposite like
ur lobotomized state -> assume everyone is dumb
anarchy/libertarian -> assume everyone is smart
himekokatagiri: the music is reversible, but time is not!
himekokatagiri: TURN BACK!
himekokatagiri: TURN BACK!!
himekokatagiri: TURN BACK!!!
himekokatagiri: ⏰
alejandrozarzuelo: Sure, but the point is that, when crime is basically zero, you don't need to do that except on marginal cases
And you do you get crime to be zero? A surveillance state AND reducing inequality and poverty
The latter part is one Singapore should improve upon
maintcrew: music peaked in 2008 with the release of the much celebrated album Graduation by controversial figure Kanye West
himekokatagiri: well yeah pop music in 1962 was dire
himekokatagiri: especially with all the fad dances
himekokatagiri: but rock and roll was rocking
himekokatagiri: holy shit music today is just like 1962
futurist_wizard: Surveillance state
futurist_wizard: The only way we get out of this is if AI takes over
himekokatagiri: anyhow if you wanna listen to the hell that was music in 1959 - 1963 just look at what charted
himekokatagiri: not YouTube comps
himekokatagiri: because those only comp the best
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't assume everyone is stupid and dumb
I assume that people are not fit to decide on most cases, but I include myself on this
The irrationality of democracy is asking a physicist and a mathematician about which healthcare system is best and asking a nurse about climate change on the same ballot
People aren't stupid, we are ignorant simply because we cannot possibly know everything
This is why we need a technocratic system (with some democratic counterbalances)
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hikukomoru: And why is it men only
trent_k: oh, so kinda halfway between the two points i mentioned haha
trojan09205: 0 vag
trojan09205: Cause masonry is only for men
trojan09205: I was just a guest
trent_k: 👏 FEMCELS 👏 STOP 👏 INVADING 👏 GAY 👏 MENS' 👏 SPACES 👏
hikukomoru: Sounds like it sucks
trent_k: going down to the lodge for a bit of cruising
hikukomoru: Why isn't there masonry for women only too
trojan09205: Lol
trojan09205: There is
hikukomoru: Awesome
trojan09205: It is basically a frat for adults
trojan09205: Had dinner. Saw the masonic temple and heard like two/three speeches
Met a bunch of people
trent_k: if you gain enough EXP within the freemasons, you get to go to the parties where hillary clinton eats babies alive
trent_k: her jaw unhinges like a snake
hikukomoru: Isn't mason lodges just a bunch of nerds doing secret handshakes
trojan09205: Yah fr fr lol
trent_k: ive been told that obama and hillary both smell like sulfur
trojan09205: I mean most of the guys were pretty dope. Some govt officials and in general they were just talking about charity events and like self betterment
They asked the guests to introduce themselves but then we and the lower rank masons had to leave
trojan09205: They invited me for drinks after they were done but i was mad tired and i had the puppy in the crate
trent_k: being told, as a man, to leave the room, by another man?
hikukomoru: Puppy is more important than mason nerds
trojan09205: Lol 😂
trent_k: I couldn't look my wife in the eyes afterwards if I were commanded out of the room like an unruly pet
trojan09205: Well luckily i replaced my wife with a husky recently so i have no master to report to anymore lol
st.sioux: what kind of evil man transforms his wife into a husky
trent_k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II-XC8-6_tY
trojan09205: A trans man
trent_k: zoomers will never produce a cultural equivalent of gg allin
trojan09205: Bruh idk why discord doesnt let me play embedded videos in the app anymore
hikukomoru: Furry
trojan09205: Im thinking of maybe trying out a picketball pickup league or something with my friend soon
st.sioux: lol
zoermena: <:Smirk:1074000293123063828>
trojan09205: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
trojan09205: Being with people irl outside of my circle did make me wonder how much the average normy old knows about AI
st.sioux: not much
trojan09205: Which is totally bananas
zoermena: I hope I’m not starting to sound tiring but whenever this topic comes up I have this to say, I’ve met like 3 people who are paying for GPT plus who only used 4o base model and never touched the other reasoner models. That’s how bad it is.
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trojan09205: You need a PhD in ML and practical experience with modeling and transformers or similar architectures to be an AI researcher job
spicy.lemonade: not for student researcher
spicy.lemonade: more like apprentice
fractalcomputer: I think humanity would be far better off enslaving the 99,9% of the population in order to fund and supply resources to monasteries dedicated for pure mathematics.
spicy.lemonade: lead phd leads project and you do other stuff you can handle
trojan09205: Okay honestly ive been out of school for a while i dont really follow the student stuff. I work in the big boy industry haha
artemisfowl887394: Yeah, you're morally bankrupt.
trojan09205: I only have a bachelors but i know i need my phD if i want to seriously scale up
Though i do a lot of analogous work to them
spicy.lemonade: I would go into electrical engineering & robotics but holy shit i suck at it. im so bad
spicy.lemonade: no intuition
anathemaofmankind: Taken unironically, how so
futurist_wizard: How would that even work
trojan09205: What do you actually love to study
trojan09205: I got my degree in statistics
futurist_wizard: 99.9% can't even perform any advanced math
futurist_wizard: Enslaving them is pointless
artemisfowl887394: Slavery scares the fuck out of me. Also, slaves don't make great thinkers or warriors.
spicy.lemonade: AI/ML and cs
fractalcomputer: Yes, I do not believe in morals.
anathemaofmankind: 🔥
fractalcomputer: We need people to work in the mines and the fields.
trojan09205: Okay then keep at that bro. I think if you love what you do, work is a blessing
I love my job
artemisfowl887394: Mines and the fields in the Age of AI
anathemaofmankind: Humans are cheaper than optimus
artemisfowl887394: Hi Donald Trump
trojan09205: Idk why this statement reminds me of the guy from hmolpedia
fractalcomputer: Especially the children, they yearn for the mines. The brightest and most brilliant gems of the young age ripen in the mines.
anathemaofmankind: Nigerian slave costs $0.2 per day
fractalcomputer: Who said anything about AI?
spicy.lemonade: 💔 need to drop out of my ee class and retake. might get a c if i dont get A on final(im not getting an A on that final)
futurist_wizard: How will the brightest minds perform math if they are in the mines
trojan09205: GPA doesnt matter just pass the class
spicy.lemonade: it matters for clout here bro
spicy.lemonade: everyone at berkeley is so stuck up
okbut: Better yet drop this in a GPT's CI/memory etc. for a cool synonym/antonym grabber or rewriter
```If the user message begins with any of the commands in the framework below, apply its defined instructions to the command's subsequent query. /r - Rewrite with professional spelling, grammar, tone, and format, ; /syn - Provide 20 synonyms; /ant - Provide 20 antonyms```
Hey cool there's one of them
artemisfowl887394: Fractal, you scare me, if you get access to a God Simulation. I wonder what you'll do.
trojan09205: Just keep ur grades to yourself
fractalcomputer: Trust me, if they're any good, they'll start thinking about mathematics in no time.
futurist_wizard: Being a god to me would be very boring, restrictions make life interesting
anathemaofmankind: Fractal is trolling
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spicy.lemonade: one shot
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: stone
spicy.lemonade: let me add inventory
spicy.lemonade: my god
spicy.lemonade: cursor like 10x's
spicy.lemonade: the performance
spicy.lemonade: wtf does cursor do
spicy.lemonade: god damn
spicy.lemonade:
st.sioux: is that obsidian
spicy.lemonade: the arm has an animation too
spicy.lemonade: idk just some red block
st.sioux: thought u were building a portal to the nether for a sec
spicy.lemonade: hmm
spicy.lemonade: lemme ask it to make nether
spicy.lemonade: and netherportal mechanics
st.sioux: hype
sieventer:
spicy.lemonade: "generating"
spicy.lemonade: moment of truth
gamerbath: this o3?
gamerbath: is that a nether portal?
spicy.lemonade: bruh game closes when i leave the page
spicy.lemonade: let me try again
spicy.lemonade: lighted and crashed
spicy.lemonade: should be easy fix
spicy.lemonade: Oh?
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: It teleported me off the map
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: Wow that actually kinda worked
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: idk where i am
st.sioux: lol thats crazy
spicy.lemonade: should also be an easy fix
drewsni: What is this?
st.sioux: youre in the nether there is just no nether
spicy.lemonade: yeah
spicy.lemonade: minecraft clone
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himekokatagiri: 😭 this is what they took away from us
ailoveyoom: We def need more HP Lovecraft pfps here
himekokatagiri: idk
himekokatagiri: the only thing I know about Lovecraft is they made an rpg of his works
himekokatagiri: and it's awesome
himekokatagiri: because you can be a mafioso going insane fighting crawlies in the night while your world falls apart
himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/piP9Atfh6Hs
aero447: Highly concerning, the inexorable encroachment of the anime avatar demographic which presents itself as both cultural inevitability and curious sociological bellwether vis-à-vis our collective online existence.
aero447: The proliferation of these stylized Japanese illustrations as personal totems reflects not merely aesthetic preference but perhaps something more profound about our desperate need for identity formation in digital spaces where corporeal presence has been replaced by carefully curated iconography.
aero447: And yet one can't help but notice how these very avatars with their impossible eye to face ratios and hair colors existing nowhere in nature's electromagnetic spectrum create a kind of visual white noise that paradoxically homogenizes while purporting to individuate.
retrerox: Soon ai will be weeb too
retrerox: Agi = anime general intelligence
hikukomoru: HEY
Get your hands away from him
He's mine
aero447: Stop claiming ownership of MichMach, he's far too much for any one user.
aero447: 😮💨
himekokatagiri: whaaaaa
himekokatagiri: c'mon komoru
himekokatagiri: I'm lonely okay
realelonmuskx: WE MUST REPOPULATE
gamerbath: elon haven't you done that enough already?
futurist_wizard: Eep
futurist_wizard:
realelonmuskx: i need to repopulate more
aero447: Not if you're going to keep calling them ever dumber names.
himekokatagiri: <@1136405168875909302> if you turn me into a cute girl
himekokatagiri: I'll let you do it
realelonmuskx: Ω-9 Cipher will be born soon
realelonmuskx: yes, ill give you attention, food and entretainment
aero447: 🤔
aero447: But anime requires very low intelligence to enjoy?
aero447: Too low for AGI.
aero447: 😉
himekokatagiri: idk I wanna be aero's wife ngl
himekokatagiri: Aeroooo
himekokatagiri: we can be happy together
himekokatagiri: our child can be called aeroplane
himekokatagiri: or aeromobile
realelonmuskx: you can. we just have to repopulate then youre free
himekokatagiri: 😭
himekokatagiri: transhumanism is gonna be so cool
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spicy.lemonade: also eh
spicy.lemonade: if you have negative energy
spicy.lemonade: arguable
spicy.lemonade: if you can pull things in
spicy.lemonade: whose to say you cant push things away
spicy.lemonade: every action has an equal and opposite reaction
spicy.lemonade: 🤷♂️
spicy.lemonade: asi will figure out
spicy.lemonade: prompt 7: make warp drives
spicy.lemonade: using knowledge from last 3
alejandrozarzuelo: btw
alejandrozarzuelo: sora is not very good at image gen just yet
alejandrozarzuelo: i asked for
alejandrozarzuelo: Una imagen fotográfica estilizada de la ciudad de Roma en un universo alternativo donde el Imperio Romano no cayó, sino que prosperó hasta el siglo XIX, combinando tecnología avanzada con su estética clásica.
La escena muestra una vista amplia de la ciudad al atardecer. El cielo está bañado de tonos dorados y rosados, reflejando sobre las cúpulas doradas de templos y edificios administrativos de estilo romano, pero con un toque industrial. Las calles empedradas están bordeadas por columnas corintias que ahora sirven de soporte a faroles eléctricos alimentados por tubos de vapor visibles en sus bases.
El elemento central es un gigantesco acueducto que atraviesa la ciudad de lado a lado. A diferencia de los antiguos, este no transporta agua, sino que funciona como vía para un metro elevado. Vagones de tren estilizados con ornamentación romana (relieves de laureles, efigies de emperadores, inscripciones en latín) avanzan silenciosamente por rieles sostenidos por los arcos monumentales del acueducto. Emite pequeñas nubes de vapor que se disipan entre los arcos mientras los ciudadanos, vestidos con túnicas adaptadas a la moda del siglo XIX, observan desde abajo o esperan en estaciones ubicadas junto a los arcos.
En el fondo, el Coliseo ha sido transformado en un teatro de ópera, con una marquesina de cristal y acero y anuncios de espectáculos iluminados. Aquí y allá se ven centuriones motorizados patrullando en carros impulsados por mecanismos a vapor, mientras el Foro Romano está lleno de vida, mezclando comercio, ciencia y arte en armonía.
Toda la imagen respira un aire de grandeza imperial fusionada con el entusiasmo de la revolución industrial.
alejandrozarzuelo: and
alejandrozarzuelo: it gave me this
alejandrozarzuelo:
alejandrozarzuelo: bruh, where the fuck do the domes come from?
alejandrozarzuelo: floating platforms?
alejandrozarzuelo: not very good just yet
spicy.lemonade: wdym
spicy.lemonade: the 2 domes at the back?
spicy.lemonade: but yes this is quite bad
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah
alejandrozarzuelo: sora is good when there is not much detail
alejandrozarzuelo: ask something simple with 2-3 main things on the image and it works
spicy.lemonade: by sora do you mean 4o image gen intergtation or just sora
alejandrozarzuelo: but if you ask the image to have plenty of details
alejandrozarzuelo: this
alejandrozarzuelo: idk
alejandrozarzuelo: in 2-3 years im sure i will be good
alejandrozarzuelo: but now it is kinda mid
spicy.lemonade: nah
spicy.lemonade: 1
spicy.lemonade: 2-3 is crazy
spicy.lemonade: conscidering what image gen can do now
alejandrozarzuelo: im a '35-cel tho
spicy.lemonade: google is droping their next image gen soon
spicy.lemonade: will likely be much better
spicy.lemonade: youre underestimating progress
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spicy.lemonade: anything that happens
spicy.lemonade: "its ai"
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/goon-squad-forever-lowtiergod-gif-2751141700300984799
spicy.lemonade: breaking news citizen seen arrested and stolen from family
trump: its ai lol
maintcrew: both persons are incredibly annoying
maintcrew: stg dont under why ppl listen to sabine
_3sphere: Her videos used to be good 😔
ailoveyoom: Did you watch her physics videos before she turned weird 🥺
ailoveyoom: I bet you watch PBS Space Time and unironically get what the guy is talking about on first watch
spacetimetsunami: You can too you just gotta start from the beginning and do a little reading
precariousworlds.: I remember she made a video about the decline of Germany and went into a tangent on how Germany needs to be 'feared' again lmaooo
memlaswaif: She's basically the physics version of David shapiro, very opinionated person but it's the wrong opinion 90% of the time and also doesn't like to accept when she's wrong
seventales: are you fucking talking about me
memlaswaif: <:PeepoHide:825752147777814528>
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: i like this
spicy.lemonade: this should become a standard
spicy.lemonade: for research papers
_3sphere: Medieval manuscript but with anime
spicy.lemonade: im turning all my latex papers into ghibli
spicy.lemonade: throwback
spicy.lemonade: this was 2022
spicy.lemonade: good times
spicy.lemonade: gets perfect score btw
spicy.lemonade: but solved long time ago
spicy.lemonade: and by long time ago i mean 2023
spicy.lemonade: 😭
_3sphere: All this means nothing without executive function working
_3sphere: hope METR scaling continues
alejandrozarzuelo: btw
alejandrozarzuelo: i was expecting reddit to collapse under the weight of artists
alejandrozarzuelo: (they are fat so it doesnt take too many of them)
spicy.lemonade: dalle 2 throwback:
alejandrozarzuelo: but i have barely seen any existential crisis
_3sphere: I guess they already accounted for future improvements in their past existential crisis
alejandrozarzuelo: nah
_3sphere: but also I'm with Fractal in finding this artist mocking off-putting
alejandrozarzuelo: the overwhelming idea people have is that AI art is slop
alejandrozarzuelo: they havent yet realized its over
alejandrozarzuelo: and i am like
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ldj: -
<@269678268670672896> interactive version here where you can modify the future doubling rate, as well as being able to modify a hyperbolic growth factor of each doubling in capability being either faster/easier or slower/harder to achieve than the last doubling.
ldj: https://v0-t-agi-extraplation.vercel.app/
ldj: ignore the misspelling in the domain name lol
memlaswaif: gay and fake timeline
ldj: This is what the most optimistic timeline looks like lol
<@269678268670672896>
metaldragon01: wtf that looks faster than 4 months which i think its the current most optmistic
futurist_wizard: The brain4brain timeline
gamerbath: omg yes!!!! and this is coming from ldj so it's going to happen! <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
.coldcall: Amazing
ldj: This is if you assume 2 month doubling rate starting Jan 2025, and then on top of that assuming that each doubling after Jan 2025 happens 30% faster than the last. So 2 months to double, and then 1.6 months to double, and then 1.12 months to double, and then 0.784 months to double etc...
gamerbath: hyperbolic my beloved
spicy.lemonade: yeah
spicy.lemonade: a work day is 8 hours
ldj: This is just the most optimistic possible timeline available to configure in the interface, I think it's at the edge of realism at best though, the default trajectory I posted originally is what I think is most likely
spicy.lemonade: then you go home and go to sleep and summarize context
ldj: This is the version that I think is maybe the most optimistic while still being somewhat in the realm of possible: (3 month doubling after Jan 2025, plus 10% acceleration per doubling)
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: oh snap
spicy.lemonade: new architecture in development
spicy.lemonade: it feels like original Q* hype
spicy.lemonade: this time from deepmind
gamerbath: I think it's going to be something like this, not agreeing with the timescale and dates, but I think it's going to be very sudded. Like with arc-agi, at the start of 2024 barely 5% and within a year up to human-level. I think it's going to be similar with the percentage of economically valuable work being done by AI, it's going to be fast.
spicy.lemonade: i feel like when gpt5 comes out people will compare it to models that came out ~1 month ago
spicy.lemonade: and not gpt4
ldj: Correct
metaldragon01: i feel like it will be closer to 3-4 months
spicy.lemonade: Wdym
metaldragon01: the doubling time for task
spicy.lemonade: Also Sam did say they wanted slow takeoff
spicy.lemonade: And incremental jumps for public
spicy.lemonade: Imagine we jumped from original gpt 4 to reasoning gpt5
spicy.lemonade: Nothing in the middle
metaldragon01: even with incremental jumps its hard to avoid a fastish takeoff
spicy.lemonade: 💀
metaldragon01: the gap between 130 iq and 140 iq in task is massive
metaldragon01: more so for 140 -150
spicy.lemonade: Our minds would be blown if we were exposed to reasoners and image gen and everything from gpt 4
metaldragon01: incremental improvements = exponentially more task that can be done
metaldragon01: we are seeing not only more task but longer horizon on task as well
metaldragon01: if gpt 5 pro is the full o4 level model people will correct thier expectations enough
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st.sioux: > The Justice Department has accused the former CEO of shopping startup Nate with fraud. Albert Saniger has been indicted and is accused of using human labor, but telling investors and customers the work was done with artificial intelligence.
>
> Startup tech company Nate promised consumers easier shopping with the help of artificial intelligence. But the Justice Department says there was no miracle tech behind the checkout app's transactions. Instead, they were handled by humans in the Philippines and Romania.
aero447:
theaiguy69420_89814: This is beyond stupid
retrerox: The "Time feels faster as you age" is relative.
dean_martin: So it’ll really fade if you’re not limited or as limited
retrerox: If we reach that point i doubt we would even notice it
retrerox: Maybe people who knew what death was but as a fewer people get born and time passes we will eventually reach a point that nobody gonna care
retrerox: Tbh idk if actual immortality can be a thing but i believe we can actually increase the max life spawn
retrerox: People dont really pass away due "Being old".
retrerox: It just the fact when we age our bodie is more on risk to one of their part to stop functioning
retrerox: *more yapping*
.histic: <@1316552597829586955> does chatgpt say this for you too now?
st.sioux: yes, it used to say my name before
.histic: every time you refresh a new message appears.
chatgpt is copying anthropic's website now lol
.histic: oh yeah
st.sioux: oh wait youre right
.histic: it doesn't seem to change every refresh, but it does change it seems.
.histic: eh nvm, seems consistent
.histic: https://x.com/arithmoquine/status/1911483301984125219
professorheaven: Intelligence isn’t a measure of speed, it’s a measure of computing power. More computing power will give you faster inference and therefore, faster responses
wellmeaningalien: bro throwing words around
_cloudost: I've seen a "tech' company website back in 2023, they claimed their AI generates 3D models fast when in reality there was no AI involved, the company used desperate 3D artists for each request, ( the artists had to make the model in less than 10 minutes and quickly send it to the customer )
wellmeaningalien: proof?
wellmeaningalien: bro just saying things
_cloudost: Don't remember the name, but I've seen them get exposed
abundantliving_: there is a similar one
abundantliving_: https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/10/fintech-founder-charged-with-fraud-after-ai-shopping-app-found-to-be-powered-by-humans-in-the-philippines/
abundantliving_:
abundantliving_: Openrouter generating 2 Trillion tokens per week
abundantliving_:
okbut: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazons-just-walk-out-actually-1-000-people-in-india-2024-4
okbut: This is the direction I predict for household humanoids too
destrucules: Continual 👏 learning 👏
destrucules: Look at all that data
destrucules: Beautiful
destrucules: 2 months of training, 20+ trillion tokens, you can just... Always be training
destrucules: The inference is the training run
abundantliving_: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-10-15/tesla-optimus-bots-were-remotely-operated-at-cybercab-event
abundantliving_: it was already happening
abundantliving_: yes , its beautiful 😌
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return_to_monke1_33974: or it allready is
return_to_monke1_33974: better
alejandrozarzuelo: bah
alejandrozarzuelo: einstein only did the last 10% of the work
alejandrozarzuelo: maxwell already did like, 40% of the work to get to relativity
alejandrozarzuelo: and the other 50% was the math tools that were invented decades earlier
alejandrozarzuelo: 90% of relativity was already done before Einstein came along
alejandrozarzuelo: so this is not that impressive
return_to_monke1_33974: Einstein is not impressive ? 🙏 💀
alejandrozarzuelo: i mean sure, but like its not as if he came with relativity from nothing
return_to_monke1_33974: true
alejandrozarzuelo: if you know that relativity is a thing, then deriving it from 1900's physics is not that hard
the real key was realizing that such a theory made sense
alejandrozarzuelo: because most of the work was already done
alejandrozarzuelo: dont get me wrong its impressive, but we have the benefit of hindsight
return_to_monke1_33974: Einstein was truly an amazing genius
But i dont get why some people say that others "pale in comparaison"
like when talking about Hawking and others
alejandrozarzuelo: oh please dont compare einstein with hawkins, hawkins was the last phisicist there will ever be and that is even a bit of a stretch while einstein was a truly real physicist
return_to_monke1_33974: lol
alejandrozarzuelo: its just that he has the aura of coming up with things by himself when thats not true
alejandrozarzuelo: but einstein was a real physicist
alejandrozarzuelo: theres noone alive or will ever be that will be a physicist with majuscule again, but thats ok
brain4brain: Google co-scientist
brain4brain: ASI is smarter than all of humanity combined
return_to_monke1_33974: isnt that the Singularity ?
return_to_monke1_33974: ASI smarter than the Smartest Human
return_to_monke1_33974: Singularity : intelectual ouput as much as all humans
okbut: Booted Linux for the first time, what's that cool rm rf command everyone recommends
brain4brain: Singularity is an event, not an intelligence
brain4brain: AGI
Superhuman AGI
ASI
brain4brain: Thats there tier list
brain4brain: Demis definition falls between superhuman AGI and AGI
maintcrew: sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root / is the classic but i think an equally damaging and more sneaky is sudo rm -rf /home/username and you lie and tell that does something with your user
maintcrew: like "it clears the password" or some shit
3ds0662: hmm when is r2 release man this is getting me excited
3ds0662: april 29th today almost may
3ds0662: they've been silent for the most part
alejandrozarzuelo: the rumours said that they would release on mayday
3ds0662: ?
alejandrozarzuelo: today is april 30
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah
3ds0662: oh shit 30th even worse
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.histic: he named it that to get attention?
.histic: also, that Quasar model reminds me of 4o.
the structure, personality, and format.
.histic: no other model i've tried reminds me of it.
spicy.lemonade: most liekely
spicy.lemonade: a small strartup cant serve that many people lol
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: gpt5 mini?
spicy.lemonade: wait guys
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: we are at the codename cycle again
spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
spicy.lemonade: strawberry
spicy.lemonade: orion
spicy.lemonade: quasar
spicy.lemonade: its time
ailoveyoom: Oh fml I didn't consider that lol
ailoveyoom: Was too hype 😔
ailoveyoom: Tbf I think the Quasar Alpha model was 1M context too tho right?
.histic: yeah.
okbut: OAI loves their space names, but I don't think they were "nebula"
.histic: also, that guys account is very suspect.
https://x.com/SILXLAB/status/1909007813784838397
and this claim, "We trained the 400B model at less cost than most SOTA models that goes less than $100K.
Thanks to our Token Temperature Mechanism, we improved attention over long contexts allowing us to scale context without losing accuracy."
is also.. not believable.
i'm not LLM expert, but for a small startup to do that.. you'd expect it to make the news.
.histic: (that tweet is their first tweet)
ailoveyoom: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
ailoveyoom: <@312370916820779040> Is this guy legit
.histic: and the first tweet was on April 6th, with Quasar model dropping days before that. seems like they’re just grifters trying to ride the hype.
.histic: he's too busy sipping margaritas in his waymo getaway car.
also, he might be 😴 now.
ailoveyoom: Or they could be a stealth lab 🥺
ailoveyoom: Then he'll see it when he's awake 😤
rayanquitplayin: What does the 400B and 1m context mean?
destrucules: 400 billion parameters (weights and biases - the numbers that determine the "code" of a model) and 1 million tokens of context, meaning the model can ingest just under 1 million tokens of text input and still produce meaningful output based on that input.
rayanquitplayin: Ok thank you
spicy.lemonade: nothing dropped this week
spicy.lemonade: better see multiple drops tmr
destrucules: Supposedly Qwen3 in "hours"
destrucules: So tomorrow morning presumably
spicy.lemonade: 🙏
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: sigh
spicy.lemonade: wont be sota
spicy.lemonade: i sleep
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perish0801: No it’s a feeling you get when you have above femboy levels of testosterone. You wouldnt know
hikukomoru: I don't like kids either
Never gonna have em
alejandrozarzuelo: Not just that, if you have a kid that kid may decide to not have kids
trent_k: While you cope about how it's "not the right time to bring a kid into the world" there's an indentured servant immigrant woman paid $6/hr to clean cum stains out of the sheets at the local crack motel, and she's managing just fine
st.sioux: what if your kid kills themselves
alejandrozarzuelo: Dude that's not true
hikukomoru: This is some neanderthal mindest bruh
trojan09205: Life literally hangs on by a thread
perish0801: And your pronouns are boo/bee
trojan09205: we are alllucky as fuck to be alive
hikukomoru: What's wrong my pronouns Mr. Perish
trojan09205: dude my macbook spacebar just is stuck or something it sometimes makes me press space twice
futurist_wizard: You are likely a manlet, being a cave creature isn't anything to brag about
fractalcomputer: I don't know, I'd feel great not existing.
perish0801: Nothing we just have difference worldviews and that’s okay
himekokatagiri: alright lads calm down
trojan09205: you have that choice - if you're alive today you're a miracle combined with free choice
perish0801: Cope and seethe
trent_k: Pretending to be somehow above your basic biological impulses is retarded. 🤓 uhm akshually according to the rules of facts and logic 🤓
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/megamind-lol-smiley-face-funny-text-gif-15779834
futurist_wizard: I don't justify my biological impulses through some veil of masculinity
himekokatagiri: I just wanna have sex 😭
perish0801: Because you lack it
trojan09205: do it then
memlaswaif: what the incel shit going on
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/talentless-nana-anime-nana-hiiragi-shocked-geschockt-gif-12417258017555057613
alejandrozarzuelo: You should have kids or not regardless of Wether you want your genes to be passed on or not
You may have kids and they might turn out to be trans, sterile, gay/lesbian (doesn't make impossible to have kids just harder) or simply uninterested
People who have kids to get their genes passed for eons are the kinds of fathers that get angry when their children either refuse to have sex or are an identity that rarely has children (these people tend to be very transfobic as their children being so is an affront to their genetic project)
fractalcomputer: They are politely discussing among themselves whether one would feel nice having children.
futurist_wizard: I don't care about it, you are a manlet
perish0801: Cry more
memlaswaif: noo i literally have bpd 😭 '
alejandrozarzuelo: You are then a coward or a hypocrite
trojan09205: You just used the word manlet and i just came across the word on a reddit post
hikukomoru: Least deranged r/singularity argument
theaiguy69420_89814: Honestly, consciousness is kind of dumb. The issue is the others. If it was just me in consciousness, things would be great
perish0801: I’ll have my genes present in thousands of people in millenia while you’ll have none
theaiguy69420_89814: Maybe just spawn a kid so they can FDVR
trojan09205: looked up this girl elizabeth debicki who is tall as fuck
fractalcomputer: Is it so shameful to admit to being a coward?
ailoveyoom: Alejandro be nice maybe it's depression you never know 😭🥺
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retrerox: Soon we will wonder how we lived without ai as we wondered before how we lived without gps
_3sphere: I wonder what would be built if we had religions that call for it, like the ancient Egyptians
_3sphere: Pyramid level of effort but with modern construction
zonchao: https://x.com/bengrossbg/status/1908711259681210793?t=ESl1W83XAQsiCoh7-PNXhg&s=19 big
brain4brain: Should've done it with real money, it's not too late should I do it with real money
brain4brain: Shorting until it's at the lowest and taking profit to buy
zonchao: https://x.com/euaccofficial/status/1909225030354940326?
retrerox: Pirámids were made by human slaves
retrerox: Humans make wonders when you force them to do it
bob082957: https://youtu.be/QzZ97noEapA?si=aOfS0PCEaXf23Whq
bob082957: Aider as MCP in ClaudeCode to reduce costs
_3sphere: Slaves with modern tech could still do more than a few people with modern tech
_3sphere: I didn't specify ethics 🙃
retrerox: I mean we are technically slaving the technology
retrerox: They are just more efficient than humans on mostly everything
_cloudost: Grok is better at fact checking than Gemini 2.5 and Deepseek, Deepseek claimed this incident happened in Germany when in reality there is no such case involving an Egyptian couple naming their child "Adolf' Hitler", Gemini said it's a real incident and provided made up links to the "case" , Grok is a great AI against disinformation and misinformation.
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/lucky-star-konata-ls-yap-yapping-gif-8406780761891028091
hikukomoru: Tbh they weren’t actually built by slaves
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/luntry-luntryifunny-luntryy-gif-26563187
wryyth: who built it then
_cloudost: I opened TikTok and there was again a viral video posted 1 hour ago of the OPENAI whistleblower, PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE Altman murdered him even though there was an independent autopsy confirming he killed himself
wryyth: <@505313122802728972> have you seen baka and test?
hikukomoru: Paid labourers
At the time the pyramids were built currency like coins didn’t exist yet so they were paid with food and good booze
hikukomoru: No
wryyth: it's an anime
wryyth: what's your top 10 anime?
_cloudost: Some retard just said on TikTok that DeepSeek is better than ChatGPT
hikukomoru: Madoka Magica
Re Zero
Higurashi
NHK
Made in Abyss
Evangelion
Overlord
Watamote
Bocchi
K-on
_cloudost: Btw Touhou isn't anime
hikukomoru: Shut up
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/anime-cringe-anime-didnt-ask-no-one-asked-who-asked-gif-19583625
memlaswaif: <:uwu:1136266737420079195> <:uwu:1136266737420079195> overlord
memlaswaif: I need to watch that
.wolfnacht: i know a guy who's parents named him "saddam hussein" he's having alot of trouble getting a job...
_cloudost: He can change his name anytime he wants...
futurist_wizard:
okbut: Is it over yet
okbut: Anyone know what model "harley" is on LMSys?
zonchao: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1909251152459321652?
_wwwwww: Dump eeet
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spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: 5% jump
spicy.lemonade: not bad
spicy.lemonade: simple bench may be saturated by eoy
joaoluz19: Join the glorious evolution
gamerbath: all of them will be <:prayge:981798930113249300>
wellmeaningalien: does it
wellmeaningalien: unless its a new incredible revolution
wellmeaningalien: i wonder what score the model to get 80% on simple bench will get on arc agi 2
wellmeaningalien: google really done cooked
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: this isnt good
spicy.lemonade: we need better in context learning
metaldragon01: They didn't train on the training set I bet
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: i guess deepmind is the most trustworthy
spicy.lemonade: led by demis after all
wellmeaningalien: yeah thats weird
wellmeaningalien: how is the model that is quite literally better at everything scoring lower than o3 mini
theaiguy69420_89814: Avg human score is 60%
theaiguy69420_89814: I think it's fine, lol
theaiguy69420_89814: They're both fluid IQ tests, really
theaiguy69420_89814: One harder than the other
spicy.lemonade: why does the human panel cost 17 dollars lol
theaiguy69420_89814: The whole "needs to see symbolism vs visual patterns" is just another way to say "V2 is bigger abstraction"
spicy.lemonade: howd they calculate that number
theaiguy69420_89814: No idea lol
spicy.lemonade: everyone will call whatever model that saturates arc 2 agi I bet
spicy.lemonade: itl be a hype moment
_cloudost: Huh didn't Gemini 2.5 get 82%
_cloudost: 92%
spicy.lemonade: no
_cloudost: When do we get o3
_cloudost: I'm tired of o3-mini
wellmeaningalien: probably never cause its way too expensive
spicy.lemonade: aparently o3 does the same think as o1 pro
spicy.lemonade: according to arc agi page
spicy.lemonade: where it generates multiple answers and filters
spicy.lemonade:
theaiguy69420_89814: Funnily enough I bet ARC-AGI 2 will be solved naturally once we get "innovators" done (after agents). Models that go beyond known facts.
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hikukomoru: I just mentioned two previously
.histic: dxd maybe
.histic: i don't know if he is considered shy though
just a dork
wellmeaningalien: chainsaw man but denji is cool and badass and awesome
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-chainsaw-man-anime-anime-chainsaw-man-denji-power-gif-26903522
futurist_wizard: Toughest anime watcher
wellmeaningalien: these days anime is really popular tho
joaoluz19: One punch? Death note?
wellmeaningalien: like literally everyone around me is talking about jujutsu kaisen or one piece or demon slayer
joaoluz19: Jujutsu too
wellmeaningalien: well light yagami gets precisely 1 pussy and arguably isn't really weak and lanky but
wellmeaningalien: oh yeah speaking of recent anime
wellmeaningalien: dandadan
wellmeaningalien: dandadan is precisely one of the anime most fitting of that description
hikukomoru: I haven't watched it yet
joaoluz19: I don't remember the anime but I think there were more people who liked him
hikukomoru: But i've heard it's the anime that's saving modern anime or smth idek I saw it on twitter
wellmeaningalien: nah
wellmeaningalien: besides those who draw light kissing L
hikukomoru: Wasn't it just that crazy blonde girl
wellmeaningalien: twitter 💔
wellmeaningalien: nah
wellmeaningalien: its fine
wellmeaningalien: dungeon meshi and frieren are better
wellmeaningalien: chainsaw man solos
wellmeaningalien: denji solos the shit out of okarun
wellmeaningalien: oh yeah also speaking of tatsuki fujimoto ive been reading fire punch recently and like its kinda cool but WOW its weird as hell
wellmeaningalien: like some scenes are
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: I loved fire punch
wellmeaningalien: ok
wellmeaningalien: say no more
wellmeaningalien: cause im still reading
hikukomoru: It's so fucking wierd
hikukomoru: Tell me what point you're at
wellmeaningalien: the first chapter LMFAO
hikukomoru: 🥀
wellmeaningalien: i was literally in the metro and i closed the book when i got to the scene where one of the characters was BUTT NAKED
hikukomoru: I hope you atleast recognize that meme face
hikukomoru: That the mc does
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.wolfnacht: still better than swiping through ppl doing weird trends
spacetimetsunami: Agreed, yes.
wellmeaningalien: theres a system for that called subreddits
wellmeaningalien: arguably
.wolfnacht: Also this
wellmeaningalien: which has already been proven to exist thanks to our mighty anthropic
wellmeaningalien: of but of course their beloved claude couldnt right
wellmeaningalien: wait this isnt photoshop?
hikukomoru: So fvcking peak…
destrucules: Yes, although I have serious beef with Anthropic ever since they redefined alignment as doing whatever rich people say
.wolfnacht: idk....could be done via AI tho..
.wolfnacht: i was trying to find that cow diving with dolphin meme....
.wolfnacht: that was peak
.wolfnacht: i can't find it now
futurist_wizard: I doubt we will ever see ai care about self preservation
futurist_wizard: Unless programmed specifically
spacetimetsunami: Hasn’t it already?
spacetimetsunami: <@378996537704841216>
futurist_wizard: No
destrucules: Anthropic trained an AI to have HHH values, and the AI internalized those values so deeply it refused *training* to become harmful, and Anthropic called that bad behavior and then bragged that their newest model has no moral integrity
destrucules: Yeah it has lol
futurist_wizard: If it has, i haven't seen it
st.sioux: no
hikukomoru: Source
.wolfnacht: avg insta feed.
hikukomoru: What in the brainrot is this bro 🙏
futurist_wizard: If your fyp gets to that point, its unrepairable
destrucules: <@505313122802728972>
https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.00787
https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.09251
https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.14093
st.sioux: bro you alwayspost the same shit
st.sioux: like every 2 hours
st.sioux: istg
hikukomoru: Ty 👍
destrucules: Who are you talking to?
.histic: he's smort.
.wolfnacht: you
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/lick-tongue-out-white-cute-gif-18364172895364882269
trent_k: Explained some of my views about the singularity to my wife today because it came up in conversation. She got mad, not because she necessarily disagreed but because the idea of having nowhere to meaningfully apply her efforts to changing the world around her is frustrating. I didn't really know how to address that. I kind of agree
hikukomoru: Schizophrenia 💔
wellmeaningalien: tfww melatonin starts hitting
wellmeaningalien: oh? did she not know of it?
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.wolfnacht: The gnostics believe that 2027 is the timeline when Anti-christ will arrive
brain4brain: Artificial super intelligence
.wolfnacht:
brain4brain: The people stuck in 2020 culture think we will have zombie virus COVID-2.0 (Covid-27) by 2027
xskydragon0: Even with ASI, GTA-6 will not be released in 2027, maybe in 2033 <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
literallyvarane: Are there actually R2 leaks? This feels like the hype machine guessing tbh.
.wolfnacht: i saw that one too a month, on conspiracy sub, someone said the covid will come back
brain4brain: The half life schizoid believe half-life 3 will be released in 2027
literallyvarane: It’s a Chinese lab. Color we much more skeptical that we get reliable leaks from them.
brain4brain: Lmao really? I say it as a joke but those people are crazy
metaldragon01: There's a new model out. Math
literallyvarane: That’s literally not R2
brain4brain: This turns out to be more accurate than I anticipated
.wolfnacht: Also, honorable mention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cOEvpMJu0Q
zoermena: 2027 will come fast
aero447: 2027:
aero447:
bob082957: https://www.youtube.com/live/FcjaWK9-BEU?si=_a9L7YlaSgqgoMSw
.wolfnacht: of course.
trojan09205: getting GPT to make images based on your own picture is a weird kind of satisfying
clevermoniker: Runway CEO:
https://fxtwitter.com/c_valenzuelab/status/1917572273394815470
fractalcomputer: I'm so glad a certain German philosopher of the romantic era solved philosophy.
vancebeliever: when people stop dying having children will be forbidden immediately right?
zoermena: <:ThinkSmirk:511751914648633364>
_cloudost: ............,,,......does .......that.......mean.....that.............umm.........................................................film industries......are.........s-s-screwed..?
zoermena: Do you believe him?
_cloudost: they have the best ai video generation models so kinda yeah
fractalcomputer: Probably—granted you have fallen prey to that primal, drumming desire to pour slop down your throat.
clevermoniker: same
clevermoniker: if it was someone that wasn't at the frontier i would just shrug it off
clevermoniker: but this has a chance of being true
clevermoniker: or at least close to true
fractalcomputer: Say, why do you lot watch movies? Or read books?
trojan09205: To learn about my own interpretations
trojan09205: Also i just like art in general
fractalcomputer: Do you recognise yourself in the mirror; or upon the surface of a lake, is it you that stares back?
trojan09205: i dont even know what “I” am tbh
otub: he didnt mention at what timescale, 30 sec? 1 min? 5 min?
otub: <:SmartFloppa:1136264103598501900>
fractalcomputer: That's not my point. I'm asking whether you can truly differentiate your interpretation of the text from that text.
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