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u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wojtd | i4wmq76 | 1,650,073,884 | 1,650,072,988 | 6 | 5 | Having recently done this very thing (with an artist collaborating), I have to say that it was very well received. They were short stories with 4-5 illustrations throughout the book and it worked out very well. (we created images to highlight the events of the previous chapter.) It didn't interfere with the story and readers expressed appreciation. I say, go for it. | A lot of the old classics like Treasure Island, Arabian Knights, Tom Sawyer, etc. Had a few pictures in the later reprints during the 1950's-1970's. I don't know if the originals had any in them though. Usually just one or two spread throughout the book but the artwork was usually nice | 1 | 896 | 1.2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w88z3 | i4wmq76 | 1,650,065,953 | 1,650,072,988 | 3 | 5 | Have you ever read Abarat by Clive Barker? Good book with lots of art, I really enjoyed it | A lot of the old classics like Treasure Island, Arabian Knights, Tom Sawyer, etc. Had a few pictures in the later reprints during the 1950's-1970's. I don't know if the originals had any in them though. Usually just one or two spread throughout the book but the artwork was usually nice | 0 | 7,035 | 1.666667 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wmq76 | i4w8d58 | 1,650,072,988 | 1,650,066,008 | 5 | 3 | A lot of the old classics like Treasure Island, Arabian Knights, Tom Sawyer, etc. Had a few pictures in the later reprints during the 1950's-1970's. I don't know if the originals had any in them though. Usually just one or two spread throughout the book but the artwork was usually nice | like a light novel in a way? i think thats nice :) as an artist myself i like art anywhere in any kind of book :) | 1 | 6,980 | 1.666667 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wmq76 | i4w72rk | 1,650,072,988 | 1,650,065,394 | 5 | 2 | A lot of the old classics like Treasure Island, Arabian Knights, Tom Sawyer, etc. Had a few pictures in the later reprints during the 1950's-1970's. I don't know if the originals had any in them though. Usually just one or two spread throughout the book but the artwork was usually nice | James Thurber style! | 1 | 7,594 | 2.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wmq76 | i4w9cvo | 1,650,072,988 | 1,650,066,482 | 5 | 2 | A lot of the old classics like Treasure Island, Arabian Knights, Tom Sawyer, etc. Had a few pictures in the later reprints during the 1950's-1970's. I don't know if the originals had any in them though. Usually just one or two spread throughout the book but the artwork was usually nice | I wouldn't be put off by a novel with artwork included. Haven't seen one, but if the story is interesting I don't see why it wouldn't work. | 1 | 6,506 | 2.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wmq76 | i4wawec | 1,650,072,988 | 1,650,067,231 | 5 | 2 | A lot of the old classics like Treasure Island, Arabian Knights, Tom Sawyer, etc. Had a few pictures in the later reprints during the 1950's-1970's. I don't know if the originals had any in them though. Usually just one or two spread throughout the book but the artwork was usually nice | Hey, I'm currently working on an illustrated series (Challengerschase.com) so I have done quite a bit of research on this. DM me if you (or anyone else for that matter) have specific questions or would like to chat. | 1 | 5,757 | 2.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wf250 | i4wmq76 | 1,650,069,250 | 1,650,072,988 | 2 | 5 | Clive Barker does this all the time. Sometimes the art gets used for the book and sometimes it doesn't. But I tend to do this as well, so I say go for it. | A lot of the old classics like Treasure Island, Arabian Knights, Tom Sawyer, etc. Had a few pictures in the later reprints during the 1950's-1970's. I don't know if the originals had any in them though. Usually just one or two spread throughout the book but the artwork was usually nice | 0 | 3,738 | 2.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wfrg6 | i4wmq76 | 1,650,069,597 | 1,650,072,988 | 2 | 5 | Im gonna do a variation of it. I say we both go for it. | A lot of the old classics like Treasure Island, Arabian Knights, Tom Sawyer, etc. Had a few pictures in the later reprints during the 1950's-1970's. I don't know if the originals had any in them though. Usually just one or two spread throughout the book but the artwork was usually nice | 0 | 3,391 | 2.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w88z3 | i4wojtd | 1,650,065,953 | 1,650,073,884 | 3 | 6 | Have you ever read Abarat by Clive Barker? Good book with lots of art, I really enjoyed it | Having recently done this very thing (with an artist collaborating), I have to say that it was very well received. They were short stories with 4-5 illustrations throughout the book and it worked out very well. (we created images to highlight the events of the previous chapter.) It didn't interfere with the story and readers expressed appreciation. I say, go for it. | 0 | 7,931 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w8d58 | i4wojtd | 1,650,066,008 | 1,650,073,884 | 3 | 6 | like a light novel in a way? i think thats nice :) as an artist myself i like art anywhere in any kind of book :) | Having recently done this very thing (with an artist collaborating), I have to say that it was very well received. They were short stories with 4-5 illustrations throughout the book and it worked out very well. (we created images to highlight the events of the previous chapter.) It didn't interfere with the story and readers expressed appreciation. I say, go for it. | 0 | 7,876 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w72rk | i4wojtd | 1,650,065,394 | 1,650,073,884 | 2 | 6 | James Thurber style! | Having recently done this very thing (with an artist collaborating), I have to say that it was very well received. They were short stories with 4-5 illustrations throughout the book and it worked out very well. (we created images to highlight the events of the previous chapter.) It didn't interfere with the story and readers expressed appreciation. I say, go for it. | 0 | 8,490 | 3 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w9cvo | i4wojtd | 1,650,066,482 | 1,650,073,884 | 2 | 6 | I wouldn't be put off by a novel with artwork included. Haven't seen one, but if the story is interesting I don't see why it wouldn't work. | Having recently done this very thing (with an artist collaborating), I have to say that it was very well received. They were short stories with 4-5 illustrations throughout the book and it worked out very well. (we created images to highlight the events of the previous chapter.) It didn't interfere with the story and readers expressed appreciation. I say, go for it. | 0 | 7,402 | 3 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wawec | i4wojtd | 1,650,067,231 | 1,650,073,884 | 2 | 6 | Hey, I'm currently working on an illustrated series (Challengerschase.com) so I have done quite a bit of research on this. DM me if you (or anyone else for that matter) have specific questions or would like to chat. | Having recently done this very thing (with an artist collaborating), I have to say that it was very well received. They were short stories with 4-5 illustrations throughout the book and it worked out very well. (we created images to highlight the events of the previous chapter.) It didn't interfere with the story and readers expressed appreciation. I say, go for it. | 0 | 6,653 | 3 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wf250 | i4wojtd | 1,650,069,250 | 1,650,073,884 | 2 | 6 | Clive Barker does this all the time. Sometimes the art gets used for the book and sometimes it doesn't. But I tend to do this as well, so I say go for it. | Having recently done this very thing (with an artist collaborating), I have to say that it was very well received. They were short stories with 4-5 illustrations throughout the book and it worked out very well. (we created images to highlight the events of the previous chapter.) It didn't interfere with the story and readers expressed appreciation. I say, go for it. | 0 | 4,634 | 3 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wfrg6 | i4wojtd | 1,650,069,597 | 1,650,073,884 | 2 | 6 | Im gonna do a variation of it. I say we both go for it. | Having recently done this very thing (with an artist collaborating), I have to say that it was very well received. They were short stories with 4-5 illustrations throughout the book and it worked out very well. (we created images to highlight the events of the previous chapter.) It didn't interfere with the story and readers expressed appreciation. I say, go for it. | 0 | 4,287 | 3 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wqdkt | i4w88z3 | 1,650,074,802 | 1,650,065,953 | 5 | 3 | It was a very common practice back in the classics period. Think Charles Dickens or Hans Christian Anderson. I don't see it much today except in childrens books and Japanese light novels. But there's nothing saying you can't do it. I also am considering doing this for one of the stories I'm working on (using the Japanese light novel method). But most of my works are planned to be full graphic novels. | Have you ever read Abarat by Clive Barker? Good book with lots of art, I really enjoyed it | 1 | 8,849 | 1.666667 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wqdkt | i4w8d58 | 1,650,074,802 | 1,650,066,008 | 5 | 3 | It was a very common practice back in the classics period. Think Charles Dickens or Hans Christian Anderson. I don't see it much today except in childrens books and Japanese light novels. But there's nothing saying you can't do it. I also am considering doing this for one of the stories I'm working on (using the Japanese light novel method). But most of my works are planned to be full graphic novels. | like a light novel in a way? i think thats nice :) as an artist myself i like art anywhere in any kind of book :) | 1 | 8,794 | 1.666667 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wqdkt | i4w72rk | 1,650,074,802 | 1,650,065,394 | 5 | 2 | It was a very common practice back in the classics period. Think Charles Dickens or Hans Christian Anderson. I don't see it much today except in childrens books and Japanese light novels. But there's nothing saying you can't do it. I also am considering doing this for one of the stories I'm working on (using the Japanese light novel method). But most of my works are planned to be full graphic novels. | James Thurber style! | 1 | 9,408 | 2.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w9cvo | i4wqdkt | 1,650,066,482 | 1,650,074,802 | 2 | 5 | I wouldn't be put off by a novel with artwork included. Haven't seen one, but if the story is interesting I don't see why it wouldn't work. | It was a very common practice back in the classics period. Think Charles Dickens or Hans Christian Anderson. I don't see it much today except in childrens books and Japanese light novels. But there's nothing saying you can't do it. I also am considering doing this for one of the stories I'm working on (using the Japanese light novel method). But most of my works are planned to be full graphic novels. | 0 | 8,320 | 2.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wqdkt | i4wawec | 1,650,074,802 | 1,650,067,231 | 5 | 2 | It was a very common practice back in the classics period. Think Charles Dickens or Hans Christian Anderson. I don't see it much today except in childrens books and Japanese light novels. But there's nothing saying you can't do it. I also am considering doing this for one of the stories I'm working on (using the Japanese light novel method). But most of my works are planned to be full graphic novels. | Hey, I'm currently working on an illustrated series (Challengerschase.com) so I have done quite a bit of research on this. DM me if you (or anyone else for that matter) have specific questions or would like to chat. | 1 | 7,571 | 2.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wqdkt | i4wf250 | 1,650,074,802 | 1,650,069,250 | 5 | 2 | It was a very common practice back in the classics period. Think Charles Dickens or Hans Christian Anderson. I don't see it much today except in childrens books and Japanese light novels. But there's nothing saying you can't do it. I also am considering doing this for one of the stories I'm working on (using the Japanese light novel method). But most of my works are planned to be full graphic novels. | Clive Barker does this all the time. Sometimes the art gets used for the book and sometimes it doesn't. But I tend to do this as well, so I say go for it. | 1 | 5,552 | 2.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wfrg6 | i4wqdkt | 1,650,069,597 | 1,650,074,802 | 2 | 5 | Im gonna do a variation of it. I say we both go for it. | It was a very common practice back in the classics period. Think Charles Dickens or Hans Christian Anderson. I don't see it much today except in childrens books and Japanese light novels. But there's nothing saying you can't do it. I also am considering doing this for one of the stories I'm working on (using the Japanese light novel method). But most of my works are planned to be full graphic novels. | 0 | 5,205 | 2.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w88z3 | i4w72rk | 1,650,065,953 | 1,650,065,394 | 3 | 2 | Have you ever read Abarat by Clive Barker? Good book with lots of art, I really enjoyed it | James Thurber style! | 1 | 559 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w72rk | i4w8d58 | 1,650,065,394 | 1,650,066,008 | 2 | 3 | James Thurber style! | like a light novel in a way? i think thats nice :) as an artist myself i like art anywhere in any kind of book :) | 0 | 614 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wrqga | i4w72rk | 1,650,075,466 | 1,650,065,394 | 3 | 2 | I think this is a *great* idea. This was my dream when I first started writing, but unfortunately, my art skills are terrible and just don't seem to improve no matter how much time I spend on them, but I would strongly encourage you to do this! I really see where you're coming from, and I like the concept. The only minor problem that I can think of (and I've said this before to people thinking of doing this) is about paper quality and cost when you're publishing your work. If you're printing images, you need high-quality photo paper, but if you're printing text, you can get away with much cheaper paper. That's why so many books with photo references have a text section and then a separate section in the middle with all of the photos in one place. They then say ("See photo reference 1a"), etc. Now for a story book, this wouldn't work, you'd need the images and text interspersed, which would make it more expensive to produce the paper and ink required. | James Thurber style! | 1 | 10,072 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wrqga | i4w9cvo | 1,650,075,466 | 1,650,066,482 | 3 | 2 | I think this is a *great* idea. This was my dream when I first started writing, but unfortunately, my art skills are terrible and just don't seem to improve no matter how much time I spend on them, but I would strongly encourage you to do this! I really see where you're coming from, and I like the concept. The only minor problem that I can think of (and I've said this before to people thinking of doing this) is about paper quality and cost when you're publishing your work. If you're printing images, you need high-quality photo paper, but if you're printing text, you can get away with much cheaper paper. That's why so many books with photo references have a text section and then a separate section in the middle with all of the photos in one place. They then say ("See photo reference 1a"), etc. Now for a story book, this wouldn't work, you'd need the images and text interspersed, which would make it more expensive to produce the paper and ink required. | I wouldn't be put off by a novel with artwork included. Haven't seen one, but if the story is interesting I don't see why it wouldn't work. | 1 | 8,984 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wawec | i4wrqga | 1,650,067,231 | 1,650,075,466 | 2 | 3 | Hey, I'm currently working on an illustrated series (Challengerschase.com) so I have done quite a bit of research on this. DM me if you (or anyone else for that matter) have specific questions or would like to chat. | I think this is a *great* idea. This was my dream when I first started writing, but unfortunately, my art skills are terrible and just don't seem to improve no matter how much time I spend on them, but I would strongly encourage you to do this! I really see where you're coming from, and I like the concept. The only minor problem that I can think of (and I've said this before to people thinking of doing this) is about paper quality and cost when you're publishing your work. If you're printing images, you need high-quality photo paper, but if you're printing text, you can get away with much cheaper paper. That's why so many books with photo references have a text section and then a separate section in the middle with all of the photos in one place. They then say ("See photo reference 1a"), etc. Now for a story book, this wouldn't work, you'd need the images and text interspersed, which would make it more expensive to produce the paper and ink required. | 0 | 8,235 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wf250 | i4wrqga | 1,650,069,250 | 1,650,075,466 | 2 | 3 | Clive Barker does this all the time. Sometimes the art gets used for the book and sometimes it doesn't. But I tend to do this as well, so I say go for it. | I think this is a *great* idea. This was my dream when I first started writing, but unfortunately, my art skills are terrible and just don't seem to improve no matter how much time I spend on them, but I would strongly encourage you to do this! I really see where you're coming from, and I like the concept. The only minor problem that I can think of (and I've said this before to people thinking of doing this) is about paper quality and cost when you're publishing your work. If you're printing images, you need high-quality photo paper, but if you're printing text, you can get away with much cheaper paper. That's why so many books with photo references have a text section and then a separate section in the middle with all of the photos in one place. They then say ("See photo reference 1a"), etc. Now for a story book, this wouldn't work, you'd need the images and text interspersed, which would make it more expensive to produce the paper and ink required. | 0 | 6,216 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wrqga | i4wfrg6 | 1,650,075,466 | 1,650,069,597 | 3 | 2 | I think this is a *great* idea. This was my dream when I first started writing, but unfortunately, my art skills are terrible and just don't seem to improve no matter how much time I spend on them, but I would strongly encourage you to do this! I really see where you're coming from, and I like the concept. The only minor problem that I can think of (and I've said this before to people thinking of doing this) is about paper quality and cost when you're publishing your work. If you're printing images, you need high-quality photo paper, but if you're printing text, you can get away with much cheaper paper. That's why so many books with photo references have a text section and then a separate section in the middle with all of the photos in one place. They then say ("See photo reference 1a"), etc. Now for a story book, this wouldn't work, you'd need the images and text interspersed, which would make it more expensive to produce the paper and ink required. | Im gonna do a variation of it. I say we both go for it. | 1 | 5,869 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wrqga | i4wqq2t | 1,650,075,466 | 1,650,074,974 | 3 | 2 | I think this is a *great* idea. This was my dream when I first started writing, but unfortunately, my art skills are terrible and just don't seem to improve no matter how much time I spend on them, but I would strongly encourage you to do this! I really see where you're coming from, and I like the concept. The only minor problem that I can think of (and I've said this before to people thinking of doing this) is about paper quality and cost when you're publishing your work. If you're printing images, you need high-quality photo paper, but if you're printing text, you can get away with much cheaper paper. That's why so many books with photo references have a text section and then a separate section in the middle with all of the photos in one place. They then say ("See photo reference 1a"), etc. Now for a story book, this wouldn't work, you'd need the images and text interspersed, which would make it more expensive to produce the paper and ink required. | I’ve always been a fan of including artwork in books, but if you want to publish traditionally, good luck with that. A first-time novelist usually doesn’t get much leeway with those sorts of things. If you’re self-publishing, go for it. A good example of this sort of thing is the *Leviathan* series by Scott Westerfeld, but he was already a well-established author. | 1 | 492 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w72rk | i4wt8cr | 1,650,065,394 | 1,650,076,214 | 2 | 3 | James Thurber style! | I would love it and don’t see it enough in sci-fi fantasy | 0 | 10,820 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w9cvo | i4wt8cr | 1,650,066,482 | 1,650,076,214 | 2 | 3 | I wouldn't be put off by a novel with artwork included. Haven't seen one, but if the story is interesting I don't see why it wouldn't work. | I would love it and don’t see it enough in sci-fi fantasy | 0 | 9,732 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wawec | i4wt8cr | 1,650,067,231 | 1,650,076,214 | 2 | 3 | Hey, I'm currently working on an illustrated series (Challengerschase.com) so I have done quite a bit of research on this. DM me if you (or anyone else for that matter) have specific questions or would like to chat. | I would love it and don’t see it enough in sci-fi fantasy | 0 | 8,983 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wf250 | i4wt8cr | 1,650,069,250 | 1,650,076,214 | 2 | 3 | Clive Barker does this all the time. Sometimes the art gets used for the book and sometimes it doesn't. But I tend to do this as well, so I say go for it. | I would love it and don’t see it enough in sci-fi fantasy | 0 | 6,964 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wfrg6 | i4wt8cr | 1,650,069,597 | 1,650,076,214 | 2 | 3 | Im gonna do a variation of it. I say we both go for it. | I would love it and don’t see it enough in sci-fi fantasy | 0 | 6,617 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wt8cr | i4wqq2t | 1,650,076,214 | 1,650,074,974 | 3 | 2 | I would love it and don’t see it enough in sci-fi fantasy | I’ve always been a fan of including artwork in books, but if you want to publish traditionally, good luck with that. A first-time novelist usually doesn’t get much leeway with those sorts of things. If you’re self-publishing, go for it. A good example of this sort of thing is the *Leviathan* series by Scott Westerfeld, but he was already a well-established author. | 1 | 1,240 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w72rk | i4wtmpu | 1,650,065,394 | 1,650,076,421 | 2 | 3 | James Thurber style! | You can add little artworks at the begginning of each chapter and do the covers of the books. If any of your characters is into art as well, you could describe some of their drawings and add then at the end of the book and if the story takes place at a fictional world, you can add maps of the places here and there. Or you could just do "fanart" for yourself lol. If the story gets published, you can turn those into merch (like prints and shirts), but that's for the future | 0 | 11,027 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4w9cvo | i4wtmpu | 1,650,066,482 | 1,650,076,421 | 2 | 3 | I wouldn't be put off by a novel with artwork included. Haven't seen one, but if the story is interesting I don't see why it wouldn't work. | You can add little artworks at the begginning of each chapter and do the covers of the books. If any of your characters is into art as well, you could describe some of their drawings and add then at the end of the book and if the story takes place at a fictional world, you can add maps of the places here and there. Or you could just do "fanart" for yourself lol. If the story gets published, you can turn those into merch (like prints and shirts), but that's for the future | 0 | 9,939 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wtmpu | i4wawec | 1,650,076,421 | 1,650,067,231 | 3 | 2 | You can add little artworks at the begginning of each chapter and do the covers of the books. If any of your characters is into art as well, you could describe some of their drawings and add then at the end of the book and if the story takes place at a fictional world, you can add maps of the places here and there. Or you could just do "fanart" for yourself lol. If the story gets published, you can turn those into merch (like prints and shirts), but that's for the future | Hey, I'm currently working on an illustrated series (Challengerschase.com) so I have done quite a bit of research on this. DM me if you (or anyone else for that matter) have specific questions or would like to chat. | 1 | 9,190 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wf250 | i4wtmpu | 1,650,069,250 | 1,650,076,421 | 2 | 3 | Clive Barker does this all the time. Sometimes the art gets used for the book and sometimes it doesn't. But I tend to do this as well, so I say go for it. | You can add little artworks at the begginning of each chapter and do the covers of the books. If any of your characters is into art as well, you could describe some of their drawings and add then at the end of the book and if the story takes place at a fictional world, you can add maps of the places here and there. Or you could just do "fanart" for yourself lol. If the story gets published, you can turn those into merch (like prints and shirts), but that's for the future | 0 | 7,171 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wtmpu | i4wfrg6 | 1,650,076,421 | 1,650,069,597 | 3 | 2 | You can add little artworks at the begginning of each chapter and do the covers of the books. If any of your characters is into art as well, you could describe some of their drawings and add then at the end of the book and if the story takes place at a fictional world, you can add maps of the places here and there. Or you could just do "fanart" for yourself lol. If the story gets published, you can turn those into merch (like prints and shirts), but that's for the future | Im gonna do a variation of it. I say we both go for it. | 1 | 6,824 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wqq2t | i4wtmpu | 1,650,074,974 | 1,650,076,421 | 2 | 3 | I’ve always been a fan of including artwork in books, but if you want to publish traditionally, good luck with that. A first-time novelist usually doesn’t get much leeway with those sorts of things. If you’re self-publishing, go for it. A good example of this sort of thing is the *Leviathan* series by Scott Westerfeld, but he was already a well-established author. | You can add little artworks at the begginning of each chapter and do the covers of the books. If any of your characters is into art as well, you could describe some of their drawings and add then at the end of the book and if the story takes place at a fictional world, you can add maps of the places here and there. Or you could just do "fanart" for yourself lol. If the story gets published, you can turn those into merch (like prints and shirts), but that's for the future | 0 | 1,447 | 1.5 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wv9o5 | i4wvtxz | 1,650,077,263 | 1,650,077,554 | 1 | 2 | Doing your action scenes with artwork could be very cool, I've seen it twice I think 🤔 neither of the two had particularly good writing, but the idea and the artwork was amazing. Like if you were doing a "Swords and Sorcery" type fantasy, there'd be a "scene setting" at the front of the chapter, then it leads into prose for most things, and back to "comic" for things that are hard/boring to describe (climbing a mountain/sword fight) The idea is very cool, I just haven't run into any that have done it well Novels with occasional artwork throughout related to the story, that's always a treat. Phantom Tollbooth is like that, and I still love that book | If it is good I'm fine with it. In 4th grade I bought Norton's Forerunner Foray at the school book sale because of its art pages. Luckily I bought it before they had it pulled. It can also be really helpful in getting an idea across without reading 1000 words. | 0 | 291 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wvfft | i4wvtxz | 1,650,077,343 | 1,650,077,554 | 1 | 2 | i’m in favor of a little art. It’s a very under utilized thing IMO | If it is good I'm fine with it. In 4th grade I bought Norton's Forerunner Foray at the school book sale because of its art pages. Luckily I bought it before they had it pulled. It can also be really helpful in getting an idea across without reading 1000 words. | 0 | 211 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wv9o5 | i4wxu48 | 1,650,077,263 | 1,650,078,611 | 1 | 2 | Doing your action scenes with artwork could be very cool, I've seen it twice I think 🤔 neither of the two had particularly good writing, but the idea and the artwork was amazing. Like if you were doing a "Swords and Sorcery" type fantasy, there'd be a "scene setting" at the front of the chapter, then it leads into prose for most things, and back to "comic" for things that are hard/boring to describe (climbing a mountain/sword fight) The idea is very cool, I just haven't run into any that have done it well Novels with occasional artwork throughout related to the story, that's always a treat. Phantom Tollbooth is like that, and I still love that book | If anything in your book is below the reader’s expectations of quality, they’ll never come back for more books. The odds of you being both a pro level artist AND a pro level writer are, of course, stacked against you. Plus, if you were sure you were a double pro, I doubt you’d be asking here? Mainly though, I’d focus on getting the book written, edited and beta-read. Then see if you still have energy. | 0 | 1,348 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wvfft | i4wxu48 | 1,650,077,343 | 1,650,078,611 | 1 | 2 | i’m in favor of a little art. It’s a very under utilized thing IMO | If anything in your book is below the reader’s expectations of quality, they’ll never come back for more books. The odds of you being both a pro level artist AND a pro level writer are, of course, stacked against you. Plus, if you were sure you were a double pro, I doubt you’d be asking here? Mainly though, I’d focus on getting the book written, edited and beta-read. Then see if you still have energy. | 0 | 1,268 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wxalf | i4wxu48 | 1,650,078,318 | 1,650,078,611 | 1 | 2 | When I was a kid The Invention of Hugo Cabret was done with illustrations. The book was so popular It became a movie. So I think it can work rather well. | If anything in your book is below the reader’s expectations of quality, they’ll never come back for more books. The odds of you being both a pro level artist AND a pro level writer are, of course, stacked against you. Plus, if you were sure you were a double pro, I doubt you’d be asking here? Mainly though, I’d focus on getting the book written, edited and beta-read. Then see if you still have energy. | 0 | 293 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wv9o5 | i4xaly3 | 1,650,077,263 | 1,650,085,976 | 1 | 2 | Doing your action scenes with artwork could be very cool, I've seen it twice I think 🤔 neither of the two had particularly good writing, but the idea and the artwork was amazing. Like if you were doing a "Swords and Sorcery" type fantasy, there'd be a "scene setting" at the front of the chapter, then it leads into prose for most things, and back to "comic" for things that are hard/boring to describe (climbing a mountain/sword fight) The idea is very cool, I just haven't run into any that have done it well Novels with occasional artwork throughout related to the story, that's always a treat. Phantom Tollbooth is like that, and I still love that book | Ah yeah, it's been done a lot in japanese light novel. They draw black and white pict in the middle of the novel to tell setting, characters or story, to add more connection from reader with the novel. Google it if you want to see examples of it | 0 | 8,713 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4xaly3 | i4wvfft | 1,650,085,976 | 1,650,077,343 | 2 | 1 | Ah yeah, it's been done a lot in japanese light novel. They draw black and white pict in the middle of the novel to tell setting, characters or story, to add more connection from reader with the novel. Google it if you want to see examples of it | i’m in favor of a little art. It’s a very under utilized thing IMO | 1 | 8,633 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wxalf | i4xaly3 | 1,650,078,318 | 1,650,085,976 | 1 | 2 | When I was a kid The Invention of Hugo Cabret was done with illustrations. The book was so popular It became a movie. So I think it can work rather well. | Ah yeah, it's been done a lot in japanese light novel. They draw black and white pict in the middle of the novel to tell setting, characters or story, to add more connection from reader with the novel. Google it if you want to see examples of it | 0 | 7,658 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4xbgas | i4wv9o5 | 1,650,086,534 | 1,650,077,263 | 2 | 1 | Well, it depends on...where you put the artwork? for example, if you have just introduced a character, it would be good to show them! I think it should make the reader and writer closer? (or that's how I feel!) but imho, If I'm reading a novel and there's a scene containing...an argument, a fight, an intimate moment like a kiss or sth like that, I wouldn't like it! It's better if you leave it to the imagination of the reader. | Doing your action scenes with artwork could be very cool, I've seen it twice I think 🤔 neither of the two had particularly good writing, but the idea and the artwork was amazing. Like if you were doing a "Swords and Sorcery" type fantasy, there'd be a "scene setting" at the front of the chapter, then it leads into prose for most things, and back to "comic" for things that are hard/boring to describe (climbing a mountain/sword fight) The idea is very cool, I just haven't run into any that have done it well Novels with occasional artwork throughout related to the story, that's always a treat. Phantom Tollbooth is like that, and I still love that book | 1 | 9,271 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4wvfft | i4xbgas | 1,650,077,343 | 1,650,086,534 | 1 | 2 | i’m in favor of a little art. It’s a very under utilized thing IMO | Well, it depends on...where you put the artwork? for example, if you have just introduced a character, it would be good to show them! I think it should make the reader and writer closer? (or that's how I feel!) but imho, If I'm reading a novel and there's a scene containing...an argument, a fight, an intimate moment like a kiss or sth like that, I wouldn't like it! It's better if you leave it to the imagination of the reader. | 0 | 9,191 | 2 | ||
u4k9j5 | writing_train | 0.94 | Combining artwork with a novel? I’m an artist as well as an aspiring writer. How do readers feel about the occasional addition of artwork within novels? My current project would be way too complicated for a graphic novel and would take years to draw. However, I make a lot of concept art and would love to include finished works in a novel if I were to get published. Ideas are like movies in my head and I want other people to see certain things how I do, then use that to stimulate their own imagination. Thoughts? | i4xbgas | i4wxalf | 1,650,086,534 | 1,650,078,318 | 2 | 1 | Well, it depends on...where you put the artwork? for example, if you have just introduced a character, it would be good to show them! I think it should make the reader and writer closer? (or that's how I feel!) but imho, If I'm reading a novel and there's a scene containing...an argument, a fight, an intimate moment like a kiss or sth like that, I wouldn't like it! It's better if you leave it to the imagination of the reader. | When I was a kid The Invention of Hugo Cabret was done with illustrations. The book was so popular It became a movie. So I think it can work rather well. | 1 | 8,216 | 2 | ||
xxmlkx | writing_train | 0.7 | How does one publish a light novel in America? I was reading a different topic about publishing a book over 200k words and then it got me thinking, I'm writing a different kind of story from normal American works and wondered if the process is any different? Has anyone on this subreddit published a light novel in the U.S.? I definitely don't know much about the publishing process so any advice is helpful. | ircwr4a | ird585q | 1,665,108,582 | 1,665,112,913 | 7 | 9 | Plenty of smaller, serial novels get published all they time, especially in self-publishing. That said, I wouldn’t market it specifically as a light novel, regardless of how similar it may be bc to myself and Im sure others, the term light novel evokes specifically something from Japan. | I'm guessing you're referring to a book with the genre and style conventions in the "anime' sort of umbrella, rather than just the format of a paperback on A6 size pages with illustrations. As the options for a publisher who will specifically market your work to that intended demographic are quite limited, self-publishing seems like the way to go here. You can take a look at this list of Original English Light Novel authors for a reference to how they market and release their work. A lot of light novel series began as web novels. While there isn't nearly as much of a platform for this niche in the West (VicsLab is one I've found, but it doesn't seem particularly active), ebooks are becoming so common that avenues like Kindle Direct Publishing and Smashwords are a good place to gain a readerbase. | 0 | 4,331 | 1.285714 | ||
xxmlkx | writing_train | 0.7 | How does one publish a light novel in America? I was reading a different topic about publishing a book over 200k words and then it got me thinking, I'm writing a different kind of story from normal American works and wondered if the process is any different? Has anyone on this subreddit published a light novel in the U.S.? I definitely don't know much about the publishing process so any advice is helpful. | ird585q | ircw0ti | 1,665,112,913 | 1,665,108,206 | 9 | 1 | I'm guessing you're referring to a book with the genre and style conventions in the "anime' sort of umbrella, rather than just the format of a paperback on A6 size pages with illustrations. As the options for a publisher who will specifically market your work to that intended demographic are quite limited, self-publishing seems like the way to go here. You can take a look at this list of Original English Light Novel authors for a reference to how they market and release their work. A lot of light novel series began as web novels. While there isn't nearly as much of a platform for this niche in the West (VicsLab is one I've found, but it doesn't seem particularly active), ebooks are becoming so common that avenues like Kindle Direct Publishing and Smashwords are a good place to gain a readerbase. | I've worked in the Chinese webnovel publishing industry for many years now, and they are basically the same as light novels. Generally speaking, it is best to go through an indie publisher and start with ebooks. This gets your work out there quickly and is much easier on readers trying to collect your works. Once you've made some headway with your sales you might consider making some of your novels available for print to see how that goes. If you would like further information, please feel free to msg me. | 1 | 4,707 | 9 | ||
xxmlkx | writing_train | 0.7 | How does one publish a light novel in America? I was reading a different topic about publishing a book over 200k words and then it got me thinking, I'm writing a different kind of story from normal American works and wondered if the process is any different? Has anyone on this subreddit published a light novel in the U.S.? I definitely don't know much about the publishing process so any advice is helpful. | ircw0ti | ircwr4a | 1,665,108,206 | 1,665,108,582 | 1 | 7 | I've worked in the Chinese webnovel publishing industry for many years now, and they are basically the same as light novels. Generally speaking, it is best to go through an indie publisher and start with ebooks. This gets your work out there quickly and is much easier on readers trying to collect your works. Once you've made some headway with your sales you might consider making some of your novels available for print to see how that goes. If you would like further information, please feel free to msg me. | Plenty of smaller, serial novels get published all they time, especially in self-publishing. That said, I wouldn’t market it specifically as a light novel, regardless of how similar it may be bc to myself and Im sure others, the term light novel evokes specifically something from Japan. | 0 | 376 | 7 | ||
xxmlkx | writing_train | 0.7 | How does one publish a light novel in America? I was reading a different topic about publishing a book over 200k words and then it got me thinking, I'm writing a different kind of story from normal American works and wondered if the process is any different? Has anyone on this subreddit published a light novel in the U.S.? I definitely don't know much about the publishing process so any advice is helpful. | ircw0ti | ird9zqt | 1,665,108,206 | 1,665,115,503 | 1 | 2 | I've worked in the Chinese webnovel publishing industry for many years now, and they are basically the same as light novels. Generally speaking, it is best to go through an indie publisher and start with ebooks. This gets your work out there quickly and is much easier on readers trying to collect your works. Once you've made some headway with your sales you might consider making some of your novels available for print to see how that goes. If you would like further information, please feel free to msg me. | I heard of a publisher called VicsLab that publish Light Novels, though I don't know how successful their books have been sales wise. Might be better to self-publish (and maybe do what only\_at\_Eventide suggested in the comments). While Original English Light Novels (or OELNs for short) are being made more and more these days, many LN readers either don't know they exist or chose to not read them because they think LNs can only be written by Japanese writers from Japan. There are also other options. Recently, Honeyfeed has been offering a writing contest where if you win, your LN can be adapted into a manga with Kodansha. The submission period ended. Though if you keep tabs on them, they may host another one next year or something. Also it's a good website to recieve feedback from other LN writers. Wish you good luck with whatever you decide! | 0 | 7,297 | 2 | ||
xxmlkx | writing_train | 0.7 | How does one publish a light novel in America? I was reading a different topic about publishing a book over 200k words and then it got me thinking, I'm writing a different kind of story from normal American works and wondered if the process is any different? Has anyone on this subreddit published a light novel in the U.S.? I definitely don't know much about the publishing process so any advice is helpful. | irdszp5 | ircw0ti | 1,665,130,880 | 1,665,108,206 | 2 | 1 | Amazon mostly. Royal Road as well. | I've worked in the Chinese webnovel publishing industry for many years now, and they are basically the same as light novels. Generally speaking, it is best to go through an indie publisher and start with ebooks. This gets your work out there quickly and is much easier on readers trying to collect your works. Once you've made some headway with your sales you might consider making some of your novels available for print to see how that goes. If you would like further information, please feel free to msg me. | 1 | 22,674 | 2 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmcuvj | gbm9rxf | 1,604,850,673 | 1,604,848,900 | 350 | 287 | Yours is too long for a typical debut novel. Writer's Digest explains, in much better words than I can, why you shouldn't assume that your long novel will be accepted by an agent/company just because other people have gotten long debut novels published here. (Please note this is especially true if you have ambitions towards a printed book -- a new novelist is an unknown and a gamble. The extra pages and space a longer book takes up represents extra costs and extra risks. If they find a work of equal interest and merit to yours that is shorter and they're only taking on one project they're going to pick the shorter one). | Editing writing should decrease not increase length. You want tight, not rambling. I’m not a fan of huge books, and prefer series; but each book should have an identifiable end. Not just a break at 500 pages. | 1 | 1,773 | 1.219512 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm5tgm | gbmcuvj | 1,604,846,395 | 1,604,850,673 | 52 | 350 | I think it depends on genre. Fantasy, for example, has many many epic novels of 300K+ words. Mysteries usually top out in the neighbourhood of 75-100K. And so on. So, know the conventions of your genre and go from there. | Yours is too long for a typical debut novel. Writer's Digest explains, in much better words than I can, why you shouldn't assume that your long novel will be accepted by an agent/company just because other people have gotten long debut novels published here. (Please note this is especially true if you have ambitions towards a printed book -- a new novelist is an unknown and a gamble. The extra pages and space a longer book takes up represents extra costs and extra risks. If they find a work of equal interest and merit to yours that is shorter and they're only taking on one project they're going to pick the shorter one). | 0 | 4,278 | 6.730769 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmcuvj | gbma630 | 1,604,850,673 | 1,604,849,127 | 350 | 38 | Yours is too long for a typical debut novel. Writer's Digest explains, in much better words than I can, why you shouldn't assume that your long novel will be accepted by an agent/company just because other people have gotten long debut novels published here. (Please note this is especially true if you have ambitions towards a printed book -- a new novelist is an unknown and a gamble. The extra pages and space a longer book takes up represents extra costs and extra risks. If they find a work of equal interest and merit to yours that is shorter and they're only taking on one project they're going to pick the shorter one). | First drafts are usually overly long after that I would read thru it and ask for every scene if it adds something for the plot, theme or backstory. If not cut it. If u still find it too long that's when I would cut it | 1 | 1,546 | 9.210526 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbma3qb | gbmcuvj | 1,604,849,089 | 1,604,850,673 | 36 | 350 | Your first-draft word count is almost, but not quite, meaningless. You might end up removing entire sections. In answer to your question, 200k is not only too long for a typical novel, but doesn't make financial sense. Why sell a novel for $3.99 or $4.99 on kindle (maybe x3 that hardcopy) when you can sell TWO novels in a series at that rate? Figure out how to split it up while still wrapping up a story with both novels. A novel in a series can have that cliffhanger, but should still be able to stand on its own in terms of plot, conflict resolution and character arc. | Yours is too long for a typical debut novel. Writer's Digest explains, in much better words than I can, why you shouldn't assume that your long novel will be accepted by an agent/company just because other people have gotten long debut novels published here. (Please note this is especially true if you have ambitions towards a printed book -- a new novelist is an unknown and a gamble. The extra pages and space a longer book takes up represents extra costs and extra risks. If they find a work of equal interest and merit to yours that is shorter and they're only taking on one project they're going to pick the shorter one). | 0 | 1,584 | 9.722222 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm9sev | gbmcuvj | 1,604,848,908 | 1,604,850,673 | 23 | 350 | I feel you dude. I’m 7 or so chapters away from finishing my first draft and I’m already at 180k myself. My research has told me that it’s difficult for new authors to get published over 100k words. So I’m planning to trim my novel down to 150k reasonably. Likelihood is you probably will need to cut yours in half too. Make sure during the editing process you really make sure each word counts. A lot of times if you include in a lot of extra details, you’ll actually hide the important stuff in your story. Some of the best advice I ever got was to go through and take out upwards of 20% of the words in a draft. | Yours is too long for a typical debut novel. Writer's Digest explains, in much better words than I can, why you shouldn't assume that your long novel will be accepted by an agent/company just because other people have gotten long debut novels published here. (Please note this is especially true if you have ambitions towards a printed book -- a new novelist is an unknown and a gamble. The extra pages and space a longer book takes up represents extra costs and extra risks. If they find a work of equal interest and merit to yours that is shorter and they're only taking on one project they're going to pick the shorter one). | 0 | 1,765 | 15.217391 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm6mm2 | gbmcuvj | 1,604,846,966 | 1,604,850,673 | 18 | 350 | A novel can be as long as you want it to be. A Game of Thrones, first book of GRRM's series, is 292,727 words. The biggest thing to consider for word length is going to be how expensive it is to print the books, because money. Longer books mean more pages, longer binding, more costs for the publishers(traditional publishing), etc. If you're going the traditional publishing route and you aren't an already established author, a long manuscript could be a turn off to agents, but a good story is going to be a good story if someone reads it and likes it. Genre and reader expectations also matter. YA and middle grade won't enjoy 100k+ novels, and romances will be shorter than epic fantasy usually. I want to emphasize the word usually, because if you write something people like and read, it doesn't matter how long or short it is, because it's being read. If your book ends up like 200,000 words or more, there's nothing wrong with it. There big question is going to be if that length is appropriate for your story. If you're writing something epic with a lot of heavy content, then maybe it needs to be that long to tell the story you want to tell. | Yours is too long for a typical debut novel. Writer's Digest explains, in much better words than I can, why you shouldn't assume that your long novel will be accepted by an agent/company just because other people have gotten long debut novels published here. (Please note this is especially true if you have ambitions towards a printed book -- a new novelist is an unknown and a gamble. The extra pages and space a longer book takes up represents extra costs and extra risks. If they find a work of equal interest and merit to yours that is shorter and they're only taking on one project they're going to pick the shorter one). | 0 | 3,707 | 19.444444 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmcuvj | gbmc6aj | 1,604,850,673 | 1,604,850,281 | 350 | 6 | Yours is too long for a typical debut novel. Writer's Digest explains, in much better words than I can, why you shouldn't assume that your long novel will be accepted by an agent/company just because other people have gotten long debut novels published here. (Please note this is especially true if you have ambitions towards a printed book -- a new novelist is an unknown and a gamble. The extra pages and space a longer book takes up represents extra costs and extra risks. If they find a work of equal interest and merit to yours that is shorter and they're only taking on one project they're going to pick the shorter one). | Depends on your end goal. If you get it published, that is most likely going to be too long. Highly advise against just cutting it in half, though... Usually, a too-long draft signifies that something is wrong with the plot or writing itself. Try cutting things out before you try splitting it up! (It hurts, but it works!) | 1 | 392 | 58.333333 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm62m2 | gbmcuvj | 1,604,846,554 | 1,604,850,673 | 5 | 350 | Split it into a serial novel of two books...or three, if it's going to be that long. A book that long CAN be made as a single unit, but at a premium price, and generally buyers won't purchase it from an unknown author. My first book was 195K after edits (originally 20K higher), and it was released as two books. Find a good break point that leaves you at a crucial moment, and go from there. | Yours is too long for a typical debut novel. Writer's Digest explains, in much better words than I can, why you shouldn't assume that your long novel will be accepted by an agent/company just because other people have gotten long debut novels published here. (Please note this is especially true if you have ambitions towards a printed book -- a new novelist is an unknown and a gamble. The extra pages and space a longer book takes up represents extra costs and extra risks. If they find a work of equal interest and merit to yours that is shorter and they're only taking on one project they're going to pick the shorter one). | 0 | 4,119 | 70 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmcuvj | gbm6jtt | 1,604,850,673 | 1,604,846,872 | 350 | 4 | Yours is too long for a typical debut novel. Writer's Digest explains, in much better words than I can, why you shouldn't assume that your long novel will be accepted by an agent/company just because other people have gotten long debut novels published here. (Please note this is especially true if you have ambitions towards a printed book -- a new novelist is an unknown and a gamble. The extra pages and space a longer book takes up represents extra costs and extra risks. If they find a work of equal interest and merit to yours that is shorter and they're only taking on one project they're going to pick the shorter one). | It is definitely a long book, but I wouldn´t say it´s too much. It depends on the genre of course. This many words are usually in a fantasy or historical novels. For example, books with around 200k words are Crime and Punishment, Moby Dick, Harry Potter (4,5,7), or Fellowship of the ring. Also, each book in The song of ice and power has 300k-400k words and it is fine. Good luck with your novel! :) | 1 | 3,801 | 87.5 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm9rxf | gbm5tgm | 1,604,848,900 | 1,604,846,395 | 287 | 52 | Editing writing should decrease not increase length. You want tight, not rambling. I’m not a fan of huge books, and prefer series; but each book should have an identifiable end. Not just a break at 500 pages. | I think it depends on genre. Fantasy, for example, has many many epic novels of 300K+ words. Mysteries usually top out in the neighbourhood of 75-100K. And so on. So, know the conventions of your genre and go from there. | 1 | 2,505 | 5.519231 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm6mm2 | gbm9rxf | 1,604,846,966 | 1,604,848,900 | 18 | 287 | A novel can be as long as you want it to be. A Game of Thrones, first book of GRRM's series, is 292,727 words. The biggest thing to consider for word length is going to be how expensive it is to print the books, because money. Longer books mean more pages, longer binding, more costs for the publishers(traditional publishing), etc. If you're going the traditional publishing route and you aren't an already established author, a long manuscript could be a turn off to agents, but a good story is going to be a good story if someone reads it and likes it. Genre and reader expectations also matter. YA and middle grade won't enjoy 100k+ novels, and romances will be shorter than epic fantasy usually. I want to emphasize the word usually, because if you write something people like and read, it doesn't matter how long or short it is, because it's being read. If your book ends up like 200,000 words or more, there's nothing wrong with it. There big question is going to be if that length is appropriate for your story. If you're writing something epic with a lot of heavy content, then maybe it needs to be that long to tell the story you want to tell. | Editing writing should decrease not increase length. You want tight, not rambling. I’m not a fan of huge books, and prefer series; but each book should have an identifiable end. Not just a break at 500 pages. | 0 | 1,934 | 15.944444 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm62m2 | gbm9rxf | 1,604,846,554 | 1,604,848,900 | 5 | 287 | Split it into a serial novel of two books...or three, if it's going to be that long. A book that long CAN be made as a single unit, but at a premium price, and generally buyers won't purchase it from an unknown author. My first book was 195K after edits (originally 20K higher), and it was released as two books. Find a good break point that leaves you at a crucial moment, and go from there. | Editing writing should decrease not increase length. You want tight, not rambling. I’m not a fan of huge books, and prefer series; but each book should have an identifiable end. Not just a break at 500 pages. | 0 | 2,346 | 57.4 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm9rxf | gbm6jtt | 1,604,848,900 | 1,604,846,872 | 287 | 4 | Editing writing should decrease not increase length. You want tight, not rambling. I’m not a fan of huge books, and prefer series; but each book should have an identifiable end. Not just a break at 500 pages. | It is definitely a long book, but I wouldn´t say it´s too much. It depends on the genre of course. This many words are usually in a fantasy or historical novels. For example, books with around 200k words are Crime and Punishment, Moby Dick, Harry Potter (4,5,7), or Fellowship of the ring. Also, each book in The song of ice and power has 300k-400k words and it is fine. Good luck with your novel! :) | 1 | 2,028 | 71.75 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmdl4m | gbmfame | 1,604,851,080 | 1,604,852,034 | 37 | 48 | If you’re looking to be traditionally published, yes. It’s way too long. Adult fantasy’s are typically 100k-120k, anything more and you verging into established author territory. I wouldn’t use GRRM as a baseline, either. He’s an established author with a large fan base, I’m sure he could write almost any length he wanted. But agents won’t risk 200k on an author with no publishing history. Self publishing is obviously a different story. | If you think the word count will increase in editing, you have to rethink everything, that is a major structural problem | 0 | 954 | 1.297297 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmfame | gbma630 | 1,604,852,034 | 1,604,849,127 | 48 | 38 | If you think the word count will increase in editing, you have to rethink everything, that is a major structural problem | First drafts are usually overly long after that I would read thru it and ask for every scene if it adds something for the plot, theme or backstory. If not cut it. If u still find it too long that's when I would cut it | 1 | 2,907 | 1.263158 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmfame | gbma3qb | 1,604,852,034 | 1,604,849,089 | 48 | 36 | If you think the word count will increase in editing, you have to rethink everything, that is a major structural problem | Your first-draft word count is almost, but not quite, meaningless. You might end up removing entire sections. In answer to your question, 200k is not only too long for a typical novel, but doesn't make financial sense. Why sell a novel for $3.99 or $4.99 on kindle (maybe x3 that hardcopy) when you can sell TWO novels in a series at that rate? Figure out how to split it up while still wrapping up a story with both novels. A novel in a series can have that cliffhanger, but should still be able to stand on its own in terms of plot, conflict resolution and character arc. | 1 | 2,945 | 1.333333 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm9sev | gbmfame | 1,604,848,908 | 1,604,852,034 | 23 | 48 | I feel you dude. I’m 7 or so chapters away from finishing my first draft and I’m already at 180k myself. My research has told me that it’s difficult for new authors to get published over 100k words. So I’m planning to trim my novel down to 150k reasonably. Likelihood is you probably will need to cut yours in half too. Make sure during the editing process you really make sure each word counts. A lot of times if you include in a lot of extra details, you’ll actually hide the important stuff in your story. Some of the best advice I ever got was to go through and take out upwards of 20% of the words in a draft. | If you think the word count will increase in editing, you have to rethink everything, that is a major structural problem | 0 | 3,126 | 2.086957 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmfame | gbm6mm2 | 1,604,852,034 | 1,604,846,966 | 48 | 18 | If you think the word count will increase in editing, you have to rethink everything, that is a major structural problem | A novel can be as long as you want it to be. A Game of Thrones, first book of GRRM's series, is 292,727 words. The biggest thing to consider for word length is going to be how expensive it is to print the books, because money. Longer books mean more pages, longer binding, more costs for the publishers(traditional publishing), etc. If you're going the traditional publishing route and you aren't an already established author, a long manuscript could be a turn off to agents, but a good story is going to be a good story if someone reads it and likes it. Genre and reader expectations also matter. YA and middle grade won't enjoy 100k+ novels, and romances will be shorter than epic fantasy usually. I want to emphasize the word usually, because if you write something people like and read, it doesn't matter how long or short it is, because it's being read. If your book ends up like 200,000 words or more, there's nothing wrong with it. There big question is going to be if that length is appropriate for your story. If you're writing something epic with a lot of heavy content, then maybe it needs to be that long to tell the story you want to tell. | 1 | 5,068 | 2.666667 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmdtzr | gbmfame | 1,604,851,217 | 1,604,852,034 | 11 | 48 | I think all questions like this are predicated on the assumption that you’re writing to publish and to sell your work. I have no intent on ever mass publishing or selling my work, my art is for myself, so word count doesn’t really matter. The argument to split it into two to make more money is just sacrilege to me. I’ve published interviews on my website that are 30,000 words. Make your novel 500,000 words if that’s what it needs. Tell your story, tell it well. That’s all that should matter | If you think the word count will increase in editing, you have to rethink everything, that is a major structural problem | 0 | 817 | 4.363636 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmfame | gbmc6aj | 1,604,852,034 | 1,604,850,281 | 48 | 6 | If you think the word count will increase in editing, you have to rethink everything, that is a major structural problem | Depends on your end goal. If you get it published, that is most likely going to be too long. Highly advise against just cutting it in half, though... Usually, a too-long draft signifies that something is wrong with the plot or writing itself. Try cutting things out before you try splitting it up! (It hurts, but it works!) | 1 | 1,753 | 8 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm62m2 | gbmfame | 1,604,846,554 | 1,604,852,034 | 5 | 48 | Split it into a serial novel of two books...or three, if it's going to be that long. A book that long CAN be made as a single unit, but at a premium price, and generally buyers won't purchase it from an unknown author. My first book was 195K after edits (originally 20K higher), and it was released as two books. Find a good break point that leaves you at a crucial moment, and go from there. | If you think the word count will increase in editing, you have to rethink everything, that is a major structural problem | 0 | 5,480 | 9.6 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm6jtt | gbmfame | 1,604,846,872 | 1,604,852,034 | 4 | 48 | It is definitely a long book, but I wouldn´t say it´s too much. It depends on the genre of course. This many words are usually in a fantasy or historical novels. For example, books with around 200k words are Crime and Punishment, Moby Dick, Harry Potter (4,5,7), or Fellowship of the ring. Also, each book in The song of ice and power has 300k-400k words and it is fine. Good luck with your novel! :) | If you think the word count will increase in editing, you have to rethink everything, that is a major structural problem | 0 | 5,162 | 12 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbma630 | gbmdai4 | 1,604,849,127 | 1,604,850,916 | 38 | 50 | First drafts are usually overly long after that I would read thru it and ask for every scene if it adds something for the plot, theme or backstory. If not cut it. If u still find it too long that's when I would cut it | depends wildly on your genre YA: 65k-80k Adult: 75k-90k Fantasy: 90k-110k Your book is way too long, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t finish it. Editing can cut your word count by 30%, 50% if you have a lot of purple prose (which you likely do). It’s very unlikely, if you feel this is one story, that your writing is as tight as it should be for most readers. But finish as you need to finish, then focus on rewriting and editing to get to an appropriate word count. | 0 | 1,789 | 1.315789 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbma3qb | gbmdai4 | 1,604,849,089 | 1,604,850,916 | 36 | 50 | Your first-draft word count is almost, but not quite, meaningless. You might end up removing entire sections. In answer to your question, 200k is not only too long for a typical novel, but doesn't make financial sense. Why sell a novel for $3.99 or $4.99 on kindle (maybe x3 that hardcopy) when you can sell TWO novels in a series at that rate? Figure out how to split it up while still wrapping up a story with both novels. A novel in a series can have that cliffhanger, but should still be able to stand on its own in terms of plot, conflict resolution and character arc. | depends wildly on your genre YA: 65k-80k Adult: 75k-90k Fantasy: 90k-110k Your book is way too long, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t finish it. Editing can cut your word count by 30%, 50% if you have a lot of purple prose (which you likely do). It’s very unlikely, if you feel this is one story, that your writing is as tight as it should be for most readers. But finish as you need to finish, then focus on rewriting and editing to get to an appropriate word count. | 0 | 1,827 | 1.388889 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmdai4 | gbm9sev | 1,604,850,916 | 1,604,848,908 | 50 | 23 | depends wildly on your genre YA: 65k-80k Adult: 75k-90k Fantasy: 90k-110k Your book is way too long, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t finish it. Editing can cut your word count by 30%, 50% if you have a lot of purple prose (which you likely do). It’s very unlikely, if you feel this is one story, that your writing is as tight as it should be for most readers. But finish as you need to finish, then focus on rewriting and editing to get to an appropriate word count. | I feel you dude. I’m 7 or so chapters away from finishing my first draft and I’m already at 180k myself. My research has told me that it’s difficult for new authors to get published over 100k words. So I’m planning to trim my novel down to 150k reasonably. Likelihood is you probably will need to cut yours in half too. Make sure during the editing process you really make sure each word counts. A lot of times if you include in a lot of extra details, you’ll actually hide the important stuff in your story. Some of the best advice I ever got was to go through and take out upwards of 20% of the words in a draft. | 1 | 2,008 | 2.173913 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmdai4 | gbm6mm2 | 1,604,850,916 | 1,604,846,966 | 50 | 18 | depends wildly on your genre YA: 65k-80k Adult: 75k-90k Fantasy: 90k-110k Your book is way too long, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t finish it. Editing can cut your word count by 30%, 50% if you have a lot of purple prose (which you likely do). It’s very unlikely, if you feel this is one story, that your writing is as tight as it should be for most readers. But finish as you need to finish, then focus on rewriting and editing to get to an appropriate word count. | A novel can be as long as you want it to be. A Game of Thrones, first book of GRRM's series, is 292,727 words. The biggest thing to consider for word length is going to be how expensive it is to print the books, because money. Longer books mean more pages, longer binding, more costs for the publishers(traditional publishing), etc. If you're going the traditional publishing route and you aren't an already established author, a long manuscript could be a turn off to agents, but a good story is going to be a good story if someone reads it and likes it. Genre and reader expectations also matter. YA and middle grade won't enjoy 100k+ novels, and romances will be shorter than epic fantasy usually. I want to emphasize the word usually, because if you write something people like and read, it doesn't matter how long or short it is, because it's being read. If your book ends up like 200,000 words or more, there's nothing wrong with it. There big question is going to be if that length is appropriate for your story. If you're writing something epic with a lot of heavy content, then maybe it needs to be that long to tell the story you want to tell. | 1 | 3,950 | 2.777778 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmdai4 | gbmc6aj | 1,604,850,916 | 1,604,850,281 | 50 | 6 | depends wildly on your genre YA: 65k-80k Adult: 75k-90k Fantasy: 90k-110k Your book is way too long, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t finish it. Editing can cut your word count by 30%, 50% if you have a lot of purple prose (which you likely do). It’s very unlikely, if you feel this is one story, that your writing is as tight as it should be for most readers. But finish as you need to finish, then focus on rewriting and editing to get to an appropriate word count. | Depends on your end goal. If you get it published, that is most likely going to be too long. Highly advise against just cutting it in half, though... Usually, a too-long draft signifies that something is wrong with the plot or writing itself. Try cutting things out before you try splitting it up! (It hurts, but it works!) | 1 | 635 | 8.333333 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm62m2 | gbmdai4 | 1,604,846,554 | 1,604,850,916 | 5 | 50 | Split it into a serial novel of two books...or three, if it's going to be that long. A book that long CAN be made as a single unit, but at a premium price, and generally buyers won't purchase it from an unknown author. My first book was 195K after edits (originally 20K higher), and it was released as two books. Find a good break point that leaves you at a crucial moment, and go from there. | depends wildly on your genre YA: 65k-80k Adult: 75k-90k Fantasy: 90k-110k Your book is way too long, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t finish it. Editing can cut your word count by 30%, 50% if you have a lot of purple prose (which you likely do). It’s very unlikely, if you feel this is one story, that your writing is as tight as it should be for most readers. But finish as you need to finish, then focus on rewriting and editing to get to an appropriate word count. | 0 | 4,362 | 10 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmdai4 | gbm6jtt | 1,604,850,916 | 1,604,846,872 | 50 | 4 | depends wildly on your genre YA: 65k-80k Adult: 75k-90k Fantasy: 90k-110k Your book is way too long, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t finish it. Editing can cut your word count by 30%, 50% if you have a lot of purple prose (which you likely do). It’s very unlikely, if you feel this is one story, that your writing is as tight as it should be for most readers. But finish as you need to finish, then focus on rewriting and editing to get to an appropriate word count. | It is definitely a long book, but I wouldn´t say it´s too much. It depends on the genre of course. This many words are usually in a fantasy or historical novels. For example, books with around 200k words are Crime and Punishment, Moby Dick, Harry Potter (4,5,7), or Fellowship of the ring. Also, each book in The song of ice and power has 300k-400k words and it is fine. Good luck with your novel! :) | 1 | 4,044 | 12.5 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbma3qb | gbmdl4m | 1,604,849,089 | 1,604,851,080 | 36 | 37 | Your first-draft word count is almost, but not quite, meaningless. You might end up removing entire sections. In answer to your question, 200k is not only too long for a typical novel, but doesn't make financial sense. Why sell a novel for $3.99 or $4.99 on kindle (maybe x3 that hardcopy) when you can sell TWO novels in a series at that rate? Figure out how to split it up while still wrapping up a story with both novels. A novel in a series can have that cliffhanger, but should still be able to stand on its own in terms of plot, conflict resolution and character arc. | If you’re looking to be traditionally published, yes. It’s way too long. Adult fantasy’s are typically 100k-120k, anything more and you verging into established author territory. I wouldn’t use GRRM as a baseline, either. He’s an established author with a large fan base, I’m sure he could write almost any length he wanted. But agents won’t risk 200k on an author with no publishing history. Self publishing is obviously a different story. | 0 | 1,991 | 1.027778 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmdl4m | gbm9sev | 1,604,851,080 | 1,604,848,908 | 37 | 23 | If you’re looking to be traditionally published, yes. It’s way too long. Adult fantasy’s are typically 100k-120k, anything more and you verging into established author territory. I wouldn’t use GRRM as a baseline, either. He’s an established author with a large fan base, I’m sure he could write almost any length he wanted. But agents won’t risk 200k on an author with no publishing history. Self publishing is obviously a different story. | I feel you dude. I’m 7 or so chapters away from finishing my first draft and I’m already at 180k myself. My research has told me that it’s difficult for new authors to get published over 100k words. So I’m planning to trim my novel down to 150k reasonably. Likelihood is you probably will need to cut yours in half too. Make sure during the editing process you really make sure each word counts. A lot of times if you include in a lot of extra details, you’ll actually hide the important stuff in your story. Some of the best advice I ever got was to go through and take out upwards of 20% of the words in a draft. | 1 | 2,172 | 1.608696 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm6mm2 | gbmdl4m | 1,604,846,966 | 1,604,851,080 | 18 | 37 | A novel can be as long as you want it to be. A Game of Thrones, first book of GRRM's series, is 292,727 words. The biggest thing to consider for word length is going to be how expensive it is to print the books, because money. Longer books mean more pages, longer binding, more costs for the publishers(traditional publishing), etc. If you're going the traditional publishing route and you aren't an already established author, a long manuscript could be a turn off to agents, but a good story is going to be a good story if someone reads it and likes it. Genre and reader expectations also matter. YA and middle grade won't enjoy 100k+ novels, and romances will be shorter than epic fantasy usually. I want to emphasize the word usually, because if you write something people like and read, it doesn't matter how long or short it is, because it's being read. If your book ends up like 200,000 words or more, there's nothing wrong with it. There big question is going to be if that length is appropriate for your story. If you're writing something epic with a lot of heavy content, then maybe it needs to be that long to tell the story you want to tell. | If you’re looking to be traditionally published, yes. It’s way too long. Adult fantasy’s are typically 100k-120k, anything more and you verging into established author territory. I wouldn’t use GRRM as a baseline, either. He’s an established author with a large fan base, I’m sure he could write almost any length he wanted. But agents won’t risk 200k on an author with no publishing history. Self publishing is obviously a different story. | 0 | 4,114 | 2.055556 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmdl4m | gbmc6aj | 1,604,851,080 | 1,604,850,281 | 37 | 6 | If you’re looking to be traditionally published, yes. It’s way too long. Adult fantasy’s are typically 100k-120k, anything more and you verging into established author territory. I wouldn’t use GRRM as a baseline, either. He’s an established author with a large fan base, I’m sure he could write almost any length he wanted. But agents won’t risk 200k on an author with no publishing history. Self publishing is obviously a different story. | Depends on your end goal. If you get it published, that is most likely going to be too long. Highly advise against just cutting it in half, though... Usually, a too-long draft signifies that something is wrong with the plot or writing itself. Try cutting things out before you try splitting it up! (It hurts, but it works!) | 1 | 799 | 6.166667 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbmdl4m | gbm62m2 | 1,604,851,080 | 1,604,846,554 | 37 | 5 | If you’re looking to be traditionally published, yes. It’s way too long. Adult fantasy’s are typically 100k-120k, anything more and you verging into established author territory. I wouldn’t use GRRM as a baseline, either. He’s an established author with a large fan base, I’m sure he could write almost any length he wanted. But agents won’t risk 200k on an author with no publishing history. Self publishing is obviously a different story. | Split it into a serial novel of two books...or three, if it's going to be that long. A book that long CAN be made as a single unit, but at a premium price, and generally buyers won't purchase it from an unknown author. My first book was 195K after edits (originally 20K higher), and it was released as two books. Find a good break point that leaves you at a crucial moment, and go from there. | 1 | 4,526 | 7.4 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm6jtt | gbmdl4m | 1,604,846,872 | 1,604,851,080 | 4 | 37 | It is definitely a long book, but I wouldn´t say it´s too much. It depends on the genre of course. This many words are usually in a fantasy or historical novels. For example, books with around 200k words are Crime and Punishment, Moby Dick, Harry Potter (4,5,7), or Fellowship of the ring. Also, each book in The song of ice and power has 300k-400k words and it is fine. Good luck with your novel! :) | If you’re looking to be traditionally published, yes. It’s way too long. Adult fantasy’s are typically 100k-120k, anything more and you verging into established author territory. I wouldn’t use GRRM as a baseline, either. He’s an established author with a large fan base, I’m sure he could write almost any length he wanted. But agents won’t risk 200k on an author with no publishing history. Self publishing is obviously a different story. | 0 | 4,208 | 9.25 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbma3qb | gbma630 | 1,604,849,089 | 1,604,849,127 | 36 | 38 | Your first-draft word count is almost, but not quite, meaningless. You might end up removing entire sections. In answer to your question, 200k is not only too long for a typical novel, but doesn't make financial sense. Why sell a novel for $3.99 or $4.99 on kindle (maybe x3 that hardcopy) when you can sell TWO novels in a series at that rate? Figure out how to split it up while still wrapping up a story with both novels. A novel in a series can have that cliffhanger, but should still be able to stand on its own in terms of plot, conflict resolution and character arc. | First drafts are usually overly long after that I would read thru it and ask for every scene if it adds something for the plot, theme or backstory. If not cut it. If u still find it too long that's when I would cut it | 0 | 38 | 1.055556 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm9sev | gbma630 | 1,604,848,908 | 1,604,849,127 | 23 | 38 | I feel you dude. I’m 7 or so chapters away from finishing my first draft and I’m already at 180k myself. My research has told me that it’s difficult for new authors to get published over 100k words. So I’m planning to trim my novel down to 150k reasonably. Likelihood is you probably will need to cut yours in half too. Make sure during the editing process you really make sure each word counts. A lot of times if you include in a lot of extra details, you’ll actually hide the important stuff in your story. Some of the best advice I ever got was to go through and take out upwards of 20% of the words in a draft. | First drafts are usually overly long after that I would read thru it and ask for every scene if it adds something for the plot, theme or backstory. If not cut it. If u still find it too long that's when I would cut it | 0 | 219 | 1.652174 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbma630 | gbm6mm2 | 1,604,849,127 | 1,604,846,966 | 38 | 18 | First drafts are usually overly long after that I would read thru it and ask for every scene if it adds something for the plot, theme or backstory. If not cut it. If u still find it too long that's when I would cut it | A novel can be as long as you want it to be. A Game of Thrones, first book of GRRM's series, is 292,727 words. The biggest thing to consider for word length is going to be how expensive it is to print the books, because money. Longer books mean more pages, longer binding, more costs for the publishers(traditional publishing), etc. If you're going the traditional publishing route and you aren't an already established author, a long manuscript could be a turn off to agents, but a good story is going to be a good story if someone reads it and likes it. Genre and reader expectations also matter. YA and middle grade won't enjoy 100k+ novels, and romances will be shorter than epic fantasy usually. I want to emphasize the word usually, because if you write something people like and read, it doesn't matter how long or short it is, because it's being read. If your book ends up like 200,000 words or more, there's nothing wrong with it. There big question is going to be if that length is appropriate for your story. If you're writing something epic with a lot of heavy content, then maybe it needs to be that long to tell the story you want to tell. | 1 | 2,161 | 2.111111 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm62m2 | gbma630 | 1,604,846,554 | 1,604,849,127 | 5 | 38 | Split it into a serial novel of two books...or three, if it's going to be that long. A book that long CAN be made as a single unit, but at a premium price, and generally buyers won't purchase it from an unknown author. My first book was 195K after edits (originally 20K higher), and it was released as two books. Find a good break point that leaves you at a crucial moment, and go from there. | First drafts are usually overly long after that I would read thru it and ask for every scene if it adds something for the plot, theme or backstory. If not cut it. If u still find it too long that's when I would cut it | 0 | 2,573 | 7.6 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbma630 | gbm6jtt | 1,604,849,127 | 1,604,846,872 | 38 | 4 | First drafts are usually overly long after that I would read thru it and ask for every scene if it adds something for the plot, theme or backstory. If not cut it. If u still find it too long that's when I would cut it | It is definitely a long book, but I wouldn´t say it´s too much. It depends on the genre of course. This many words are usually in a fantasy or historical novels. For example, books with around 200k words are Crime and Punishment, Moby Dick, Harry Potter (4,5,7), or Fellowship of the ring. Also, each book in The song of ice and power has 300k-400k words and it is fine. Good luck with your novel! :) | 1 | 2,255 | 9.5 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm9sev | gbma3qb | 1,604,848,908 | 1,604,849,089 | 23 | 36 | I feel you dude. I’m 7 or so chapters away from finishing my first draft and I’m already at 180k myself. My research has told me that it’s difficult for new authors to get published over 100k words. So I’m planning to trim my novel down to 150k reasonably. Likelihood is you probably will need to cut yours in half too. Make sure during the editing process you really make sure each word counts. A lot of times if you include in a lot of extra details, you’ll actually hide the important stuff in your story. Some of the best advice I ever got was to go through and take out upwards of 20% of the words in a draft. | Your first-draft word count is almost, but not quite, meaningless. You might end up removing entire sections. In answer to your question, 200k is not only too long for a typical novel, but doesn't make financial sense. Why sell a novel for $3.99 or $4.99 on kindle (maybe x3 that hardcopy) when you can sell TWO novels in a series at that rate? Figure out how to split it up while still wrapping up a story with both novels. A novel in a series can have that cliffhanger, but should still be able to stand on its own in terms of plot, conflict resolution and character arc. | 0 | 181 | 1.565217 | ||
jqcmrw | writing_train | 0.97 | How long is too long for a novel? I am currently at 110,000 words, and I estimate I have at least another 40,000-50,000 left to write before my first draft is finished. In addition, I suspect that when I go back and revise, it will grow even longer, as there are several relationships I would like to develop more and several things I want to spend more time with, so I anticipate the finished product could be well over 200,000 words. Is that too long for a single novel? Should I split it into two? | gbm6mm2 | gbma3qb | 1,604,846,966 | 1,604,849,089 | 18 | 36 | A novel can be as long as you want it to be. A Game of Thrones, first book of GRRM's series, is 292,727 words. The biggest thing to consider for word length is going to be how expensive it is to print the books, because money. Longer books mean more pages, longer binding, more costs for the publishers(traditional publishing), etc. If you're going the traditional publishing route and you aren't an already established author, a long manuscript could be a turn off to agents, but a good story is going to be a good story if someone reads it and likes it. Genre and reader expectations also matter. YA and middle grade won't enjoy 100k+ novels, and romances will be shorter than epic fantasy usually. I want to emphasize the word usually, because if you write something people like and read, it doesn't matter how long or short it is, because it's being read. If your book ends up like 200,000 words or more, there's nothing wrong with it. There big question is going to be if that length is appropriate for your story. If you're writing something epic with a lot of heavy content, then maybe it needs to be that long to tell the story you want to tell. | Your first-draft word count is almost, but not quite, meaningless. You might end up removing entire sections. In answer to your question, 200k is not only too long for a typical novel, but doesn't make financial sense. Why sell a novel for $3.99 or $4.99 on kindle (maybe x3 that hardcopy) when you can sell TWO novels in a series at that rate? Figure out how to split it up while still wrapping up a story with both novels. A novel in a series can have that cliffhanger, but should still be able to stand on its own in terms of plot, conflict resolution and character arc. | 0 | 2,123 | 2 |
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