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elmlang
general
we have some common params emerging (Sorts, filters etc) & pages obviously have specific ones
2019-02-27T15:38:55.353500
Simon
elmlang
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we have our Route’s take a record of the appropriate type and the URL parser populates accordingly
2019-02-27T15:39:09.353900
Simon
elmlang
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conversely, the “toRoute” function takes optional params, if not provided, comes up w/ sensible defaults (usually no query params) otherwise populates
2019-02-27T15:39:36.354600
Simon
elmlang
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and the pages themselves continuously update URL accordingly as page state changes
2019-02-27T15:39:51.355100
Simon
elmlang
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Any examples on of really simple but good Elm in use?
2019-02-27T21:31:26.356500
Brittney
elmlang
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I'm a fan of <https://package.elm-lang.org>
2019-02-27T21:39:01.356800
Lizabeth
elmlang
general
hey there, did someone ever modeled the filters? I am looking for a filter model that supports - multiple values selected per filter - tracking which values are in fact selected in order to get them displayed on the top of all filters
2019-02-28T00:35:04.001500
Floy
elmlang
general
Have you seen this one? <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpDsk374LDE>
2019-02-28T01:39:46.001600
Lea
elmlang
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I think the examples used throughout the talk will be useful for designing something you need
2019-02-28T01:41:25.001800
Lea
elmlang
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is there a way to show only packages compatible with 0.19?
2019-02-28T03:22:44.002800
Adrian
elmlang
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on <http://packages.elm-lang.org|packages.elm-lang.org>
2019-02-28T03:22:50.003000
Adrian
elmlang
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<@Amee> if you go to <http://packages.elm-lang.org|packages.elm-lang.org> the list of packages are all only 0.19 packages
2019-02-28T03:24:07.004400
Earlean
elmlang
general
You can only find 0.18 package via Google searches or accessing their page directly
2019-02-28T03:24:44.005200
Earlean
elmlang
general
oh :slightly_smiling_face:
2019-02-28T03:37:09.005400
Adrian
elmlang
general
Or here for those that have not migrated yet: <https://dmy.github.io/elm-0.18-packages/>
2019-02-28T03:39:32.005700
Velia
elmlang
general
I find `Html.Lazy` (and `Element.Lazy`) hard to use in some situations, because they rely on referential equality. I would like an alternative with deep (value-based) equality checks on the input arguments instead. Is that possible?
2019-02-28T04:25:56.008000
Lucius
elmlang
general
can anyone explain this? ``` minus3 a = a -3 ``` gives ``` &lt;function&gt; : (number -&gt; a) -&gt; a ``` But ``` minus3 a = a - 3 ``` gives ```&lt;function&gt; : number -&gt; number```.
2019-02-28T04:27:52.009000
Yolando
elmlang
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in `elm repl`
2019-02-28T04:28:05.009200
Yolando
elmlang
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`-3` is a number, so `a` must be a function of type `number -&gt; a` since you apply the number `-3` to (the function) `a`.
2019-02-28T04:29:02.009900
Lewis
elmlang
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but `a - 3` is the result of subtracting 3 from `a`, so `a` must be a number in that case.
2019-02-28T04:29:20.010500
Lewis
elmlang
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``` &gt; 3 3 : number &gt; -3 -3 : number ```
2019-02-28T04:31:24.011100
Lewis
elmlang
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Yep, the first one might be clearer written as: ``` applyToNeg3 f = f (-3) ```
2019-02-28T04:35:01.012000
Velia
elmlang
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What's shadowing? ``` &gt; a bb = bb + 4 &lt;function&gt; : number -&gt; number &gt; minus3 aa = a -3 &lt;function&gt; : a -&gt; number &gt; minus3 5 1 : number &gt; minus4 a = a -4 -- SHADOWING --------------------------------------------------------------- elm The name `a` is first defined here: 3| a bb = bb + 4 ^ But then it is defined AGAIN over here: 5| minus4 a = a -4 ^ Think of a more helpful name for one of them and you should be all set! Note: Linters advise against shadowing, so Elm makes “best practices” the default. Read &lt;https://elm-lang.org/0.19.0/shadowing&gt; for more details on this choice. ```
2019-02-28T04:36:07.012100
Yolando
elmlang
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I tried making `a` a function. But `a` cannot be taken as input to another function `minus4`.
2019-02-28T04:36:48.012400
Yolando
elmlang
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i.e. I cannot write `minus4 a = a -4`.
2019-02-28T04:37:04.012600
Yolando
elmlang
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Thanks mate!
2019-02-28T04:37:23.012800
Yolando
elmlang
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can you please have a look at this? &lt; (<https://elmlang.slack.com/archives/C0CJ3SBBM/p1551346567012100?thread_ts=1551346142.009900&amp;cid=C0CJ3SBBM>)&gt;
2019-02-28T04:38:56.013000
Yolando
elmlang
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shadowing is when you redefine a function or constant already defined previously.
2019-02-28T04:39:22.013300
Velia
elmlang
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``` &gt; myFunction x = x + 4 &lt;function&gt; : number -&gt; number &gt; minus4 a = a -4 &lt;function&gt; : (number -&gt; a) -&gt; a &gt; minus4 myFunction 0 : number ```
2019-02-28T04:39:35.013500
Lewis
elmlang
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`a` is already a function defined as: ``` a bb = bb + 4 ``` so you cannot use it again as a parameter in ``` minus4 a = a -4 ```
2019-02-28T04:40:14.013700
Velia
elmlang
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you can do `:reset` to clear previous definitions in `elm repl`. See `:help`.
2019-02-28T04:40:41.013900
Velia
elmlang
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_shadowing_ means that you “hide” another name. since you already had the name `a` in your scope, when you also declare a parameter named `a` for a function, the outer `a` will be hidden (“shadowed”) within that function.
2019-02-28T04:41:24.014100
Lewis
elmlang
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No, it is not possible. The point of `Html.Lazy` is to avoid calculations when input does not change. Doing value-based equality partially defeats the purpose. I think it is more beneficial to put effort into refactoring so using `Html.Lazy` won't be hard.
2019-02-28T04:43:27.014400
Lynne
elmlang
general
hi everyone
2019-02-28T04:46:11.014700
Sherill
elmlang
general
i'm using this library (<https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/ryannhg/date-format/2.3.0/>) to format dates
2019-02-28T04:46:51.015000
Sherill
elmlang
general
and I'm having difficulties in passing a custom timezone for formatting purposes
2019-02-28T04:47:05.015500
Sherill
elmlang
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it seems like the only zones we can have using the official `Time` package are `utc` and the local one (using the task `now`)
2019-02-28T04:47:29.016100
Sherill
elmlang
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am I getting this correctly? thanks
2019-02-28T04:47:35.016400
Sherill
elmlang
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That is correct <@Sherill>
2019-02-28T04:48:41.016600
Lynne
elmlang
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You can build your own `Zone` objects using `Time.customZone` however
2019-02-28T04:49:10.017400
Lynne
elmlang
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okay so for example, if I am developing a finance webapp that shows different times/dates from different timezones all over the world
2019-02-28T04:49:45.017800
Sherill
elmlang
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I have to develop a `customZone`, which seems intended for package developers only
2019-02-28T04:50:07.018300
Sherill
elmlang
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am I right?
2019-02-28T04:50:08.018500
Sherill
elmlang
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It is not that you have to develop a `customZone` it is that Elm currently does not have built-in support for such use case
2019-02-28T04:50:44.019200
Lynne
elmlang
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You can however use <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/isaacseymour/deprecated-time/latest> until an official package appears
2019-02-28T04:51:24.020100
Lynne
elmlang
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<https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/justinmimbs/timezone-data/latest/>
2019-02-28T04:51:33.020300
Huong
elmlang
general
Oh great, I did not know about it :slightly_smiling_face:
2019-02-28T04:51:52.020600
Lynne
elmlang
general
It's (predictably) rather large, though, but it also lists alternatives :slightly_smiling_face:
2019-02-28T04:52:39.021100
Huong
elmlang
general
I think if one wants playing with different time zones there is no alternative to loading IANA db (be it this package or something like moment-tz). Or is there extended support in JS for such cases?
2019-02-28T04:53:44.021900
Lynne
elmlang
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There are a few things in the proposal stage, but I don't think the TC39 committee have committed to anything yet
2019-02-28T04:57:54.022100
Huong
elmlang
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oh. Okay. Thanks!
2019-02-28T04:59:19.022300
Yolando
elmlang
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Ok, thank you! I've already started refactoring :slightly_smiling_face:
2019-02-28T05:06:46.022600
Lucius
elmlang
general
Hey! I'm trying to preview docs, as described here: <https://elm-doc-preview.netlify.com/> . I'm running `elm make --docs=docs.json src/Spring.elm` and the output is `Success! Compiled 1 module.`, but I can't find the `docs.json` file anywhere. Am I missing something?
2019-02-28T05:56:37.024000
Dorsey
elmlang
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Oh, wait. I think I'm missing the docs markup. Silly me.
2019-02-28T06:02:48.024700
Dorsey
elmlang
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Assuming this is a package: - add the module to the exposed-modules field in your elm.json - add docs (elm will complain if you don't :wink: ) - `elm make --docs=docs.json` should do the trick, it's intelligent enough to pick up the exposed modules
2019-02-28T06:03:59.025000
Huong
elmlang
general
Aha. So I can't export docs for application?
2019-02-28T06:04:59.025200
Dorsey
elmlang
general
Unfortunately not yet. ``` $ elm make --help ... --docs=&lt;json-file&gt; Generate a JSON file of documentation for a package. Eventually it will be possible to preview docs with `reactor` because it is quite hard to deal with these JSON files directly. ``` Note the *`for a package`*. Also see this: <https://github.com/elm/compiler/issues/1835#issuecomment-440080525>
2019-02-28T06:26:49.025400
Velia
elmlang
general
Hey all! What do you think would be the advantage of using a `Request` instead of a `Task` when making Http requests? You can chain, map tasks much easier.
2019-02-28T08:02:04.028200
Leonore
elmlang
general
The latest incarnation of `elm/http` did away with the `Request` type :slightly_smiling_face: <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/elm/http/latest/Http>
2019-02-28T08:03:09.028700
Huong
elmlang
general
Ok sure but you can still create a `request` instead of a `task`
2019-02-28T08:04:39.029100
Leonore
elmlang
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Well, you can either create a `Cmd` or a `Task`
2019-02-28T08:05:32.029500
Huong
elmlang
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The advantage being that most requests have no benefit from going through the extra step of being a `Task` first, since they need to be executed eventually
2019-02-28T08:06:16.030600
Huong
elmlang
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I guess I don't understand why that is an advantage
2019-02-28T08:07:22.031000
Leonore
elmlang
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Let's make sure we're on the same page, though. The current API allows (very straightforwardly) to create a simple request to get/post/whatever something over HTTP by means of a `Cmd msg`. Sometimes, more complex scenarios are required, where requests need to be chained. For that scenario, it also allows creating a lower level `Task x a`. Does that make sense?
2019-02-28T08:11:13.034100
Huong
elmlang
general
Yes
2019-02-28T08:11:41.034300
Leonore
elmlang
general
Alright, so can you re-frame your question with that information in mind? I'm having a hard time understanding what the question means, right now :sweat_smile:
2019-02-28T08:12:44.035900
Huong
elmlang
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Haha. Well, ok an example might make more sense. Let's say I have a request that grabs some element `Item` depending on an `id`. Some parts of the code I know what the `id` is so I just use that. In some other cases I have to grab the `ids` from another request and then sequence the requests to grab each `Item`. I can only do that with `task`s. Now, I have an `Api` module that contains all the get/post etc. There, I have to add new ones just for the tasks and write `Resolver`s just for them instead of `Expect`s. My question was that what if I just scrap that and use tasks for everything? What are the reasons not to do that if any? Note that I have to write some type of `expect` anyways because we also lose data on the errors with the new api.
2019-02-28T08:19:44.041300
Leonore
elmlang
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It's quite possible that for your use-case, using `Tasks` for all requests and converting to `Cmd` as required is more convenient. In my experience, chaining requests isn't a very common requirement (it sounds like the API isn't really making it easy to work with it :sweat_smile: ), so I definitely see the advantage in the "make the simple things easy, make complex things possible" approach that was used for the 2.0.0 version of the library. The main difference between a `Resolver` and an `Expect` (in the lower level interface you have to use if you need the body from a failed request) is that you have to provide the `(Result x a -&gt; msg)` when setting up the `Expect`, while you only supply that same function to `Task.attempt` when dealing with a `Resolver`. So the building blocks are the same, the difference is in where you need to supply them
2019-02-28T08:29:58.047600
Huong
elmlang
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Yes, but there are also some other cases like maybe you want to make the call after some delay.
2019-02-28T08:31:16.048900
Leonore
elmlang
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Then you need a Task again
2019-02-28T08:31:20.049100
Leonore
elmlang
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Thanks, I was just wondering if there was an advantage to using the `request`s
2019-02-28T08:31:51.050100
Leonore
elmlang
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Upgrading to 2.0.0 increased the code for me :sweat_smile:
2019-02-28T08:32:31.051100
Leonore
elmlang
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Yeah, or using 2 messages, for people who prefer to stick to `Cmd`'s. Fair question, though!
2019-02-28T08:32:37.051300
Huong
elmlang
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I think you may be able to refactor that quite a bit by sharing the `(Response String -&gt; Result x a)` functions, and setting up some higher level helper functions for constructing your requests as tasks or as commands as you see fit. I'll be honest, I haven't upgraded our primary project to elm/[email protected] yet, because I know it'll be quite a bit of work :smile:
2019-02-28T08:34:25.053400
Huong
elmlang
general
Yeah, fair enough
2019-02-28T08:37:57.053600
Leonore
elmlang
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:smile:
2019-02-28T08:38:04.053800
Leonore
elmlang
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hey everybody. Im confused about the polimorfic type of the error here: `
2019-02-28T10:53:48.054700
Yang
elmlang
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<https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/elm/time/latest/Time#here>
2019-02-28T10:53:49.054900
Yang
elmlang
general
it sais: `here : Task x Zone`
2019-02-28T10:54:04.055100
Yang
elmlang
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i want to know exactly what x is
2019-02-28T10:54:13.055500
Yang
elmlang
general
such that in my Msg i have: TimeZoneFailed x
2019-02-28T10:54:27.056100
Yang
elmlang
general
It's polymorphic because it can't fail
2019-02-28T10:54:31.056300
Kris
elmlang
general
where x is not polimorfic
2019-02-28T10:54:32.056400
Yang
elmlang
general
hmm..
2019-02-28T10:54:42.056700
Yang
elmlang
general
You don't need to handle a failure
2019-02-28T10:54:43.056800
Kris
elmlang
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You can use <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/elm/core/latest/Task#perform> for that
2019-02-28T10:55:04.057300
Kris
elmlang
general
`Time.here |&gt; Task.attempt (\result -&gt; case result of Ok timeZone -&gt; TimeZoneSuceeded timeZone Err error -&gt; TimeZoneError error )`
2019-02-28T10:55:11.057500
Yang
elmlang
general
aha ok
2019-02-28T10:55:22.057800
Yang
elmlang
general
so is like never
2019-02-28T10:55:25.058100
Yang
elmlang
general
Yep
2019-02-28T10:55:29.058400
Kris
elmlang
general
As an analogy, `res : Result x Int` means the same thing, that it can't be an `Err`
2019-02-28T10:56:02.059200
Kris
elmlang
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im gonna test it but i think it will not compile since `x` is not `Never`
2019-02-28T10:57:08.059700
Yang
elmlang
general
it supposed to be a Never such that it mapps the type asked by Task.attempt
2019-02-28T10:57:29.060200
Yang
elmlang
general
i think
2019-02-28T10:57:32.060500
Yang
elmlang
general
Well, it's polymorphic, so you can specialise the type variable to whatever you want
2019-02-28T10:59:31.061200
Kris
elmlang
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I.e, ```myHere : Task Never Time myHere = Time.here``` should compile just fine
2019-02-28T11:00:03.062000
Kris
elmlang
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aha so hmm.. ok we are going form general to specific that why. Ok thanks for explaining :smile:
2019-02-28T11:00:34.062500
Yang
elmlang
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:hugging_face:
2019-02-28T11:00:38.062700
Yang
elmlang
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No problem!
2019-02-28T11:01:03.062900
Kris
elmlang
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Hi, is there a reason why it's not possible to do the following? ``` someConstantValue = 5 foo a = case a of someConstantValue -&gt; "5" _ -&gt; "" ``` I'm wondering if there is some theoretical reason behind disallowing this or if it's just low priority to add it.
2019-02-28T11:57:07.065300
Jae