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elmlang
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I can resolve <http://package.elm-lang.org|package.elm-lang.org> to 159.89.227.162, even can ping it, but can't `curl` it or open with browser
2019-02-11T11:28:49.064400
Candance
elmlang
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What you then elaborate on later
2019-02-11T11:30:19.064700
Agustin
elmlang
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You need someway for elm to know where the packages are
2019-02-11T11:30:38.064900
Agustin
elmlang
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yep^^' at least i'm not sure how else i could parse it. I'm just thankful the `toString` of `Date` seems safe
2019-02-11T11:32:57.065100
Emilee
elmlang
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Isn't it an opensource project? I believe we are all welcome to contribute :slightly_smiling_face:
2019-02-11T11:34:05.065800
Candance
elmlang
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It sounds like it might be better to stringify on the JS side of things? Then you have control over how the date gets serialized instead of hoping `Encode.encode` does the right thing for a JS date object.
2019-02-11T11:36:46.066300
Carman
elmlang
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yes, still there are multiple ways to contribute
2019-02-11T11:36:57.066700
Desire
elmlang
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I feel like evan has too many other repos that are not the compiler, like the packages website under only his hand
2019-02-11T11:38:06.067800
Desire
elmlang
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BDFL
2019-02-11T11:38:51.068000
Agustin
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the problem there is that this date is deep within a data structure we use as redux state. i'm trying to build a parser that can take the verbatim redux state and convert it to a strongly typed elm record, so we can slowly switch our application state to elm
2019-02-11T11:39:10.068100
Emilee
elmlang
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not sure if that is really what BDFL is about
2019-02-11T11:40:02.068900
Desire
elmlang
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Benevolent Dictator For Life
2019-02-11T11:40:33.069100
Candance
elmlang
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like Guido in Python
2019-02-11T11:40:43.069300
Candance
elmlang
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by the way why all of the stuff is built with Haskell? I feel that it would be much simpler with Python, at least packages website
2019-02-11T11:43:02.070600
Candance
elmlang
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(I'm from procedural or OOP world)
2019-02-11T11:44:42.072400
Candance
elmlang
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<@Candance> well, since Elm is a ML-family language, and the compiler is written in Haskell, it makes sense that other stuff is written in those languages as well (plus that's what Evan knows I guess)
2019-02-11T11:44:43.072500
Nana
elmlang
general
simple is subjective
2019-02-11T11:45:06.073100
Danika
elmlang
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Hey everyone, how often do you all add fields to records? Like, use the `{ myRecord | newField = 42 }` syntax? I haven't needed to use that in a long time, but I'm aware that I'm not using elm like most elm devs do.
2019-02-11T11:49:10.074400
Saran
elmlang
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You mean adding a new field?
2019-02-11T11:50:45.075100
Danika
elmlang
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Doesn't seem like something you'd want to do very often unless you were leaning into extensible records a lot, which isn't common
2019-02-11T11:51:25.075600
Danika
elmlang
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yeah, adding a new field
2019-02-11T11:51:40.075800
Saran
elmlang
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hmm I thought that wasn't allowed anymore
2019-02-11T11:51:47.076300
Nana
elmlang
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I'd expect it to be used heavily for the model? That most apps use a huge flat record as its state, and that people update fields using record update syntax, but not that people add fields dynamically
2019-02-11T11:52:54.077700
Saran
elmlang
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I've never tried it / needed to, but it does seem like something not very elm-like.
2019-02-11T11:53:06.077900
Danika
elmlang
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This seems *horrible* to be doing to your model. Every update your models type would change :')
2019-02-11T11:53:36.078500
Danika
elmlang
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fair enough, it doesn't seem to be supported in 0.19 anymore "The `a` record does not have a `y` field:"
2019-02-11T11:53:45.078800
Saran
elmlang
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eh, we've got type variables, right? :wink:
2019-02-11T11:54:07.079300
Saran
elmlang
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You can change them, but not add them I believe
2019-02-11T11:54:23.080200
Agustin
elmlang
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ok, nobody's using it, and I didn't notice for 8 months that support for them was removed
2019-02-11T11:54:29.080600
Saran
elmlang
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cool
2019-02-11T11:54:31.080800
Saran
elmlang
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<@Saran> yeah you can update records, and you can use extensible records for type signatures, but you can't add fields like that
2019-02-11T11:54:31.080900
Nana
elmlang
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Seems like if it was ever allowed, that it was just a consequence of how it handled record updating
2019-02-11T11:54:31.081000
Danika
elmlang
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I think it used to be possible, but no one used it, and it would make future garbage collection much harder, so it was removed
2019-02-11T11:55:26.081800
Nana
elmlang
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uuuuuh... what? ``` This argument is an anonymous function of type: Skin -&gt; Element.Element msg But `Element` needs the 1st argument to be: #Skin# -&gt; Element.Element msg ```
2019-02-11T11:57:34.082200
Emilee
elmlang
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oh, i get what's wrong. but the compiler message still makes no sense
2019-02-11T12:00:15.082700
Emilee
elmlang
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what was the problem?
2019-02-11T12:04:03.082900
Danika
elmlang
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Input translation output rotation
2019-02-11T12:07:17.084500
Agustin
elmlang
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The feature to add/remove fields to records was in Elm until 0.17 I believe. The reasoning for removing them as far as I remember was that it added quite a bit of complexity to the type checker and the implementation relied on JS prototype chains, the usage apparently wasn't very high so they opted to remove it.
2019-02-11T12:07:46.085000
Denae
elmlang
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~&gt; <https://github.com/elm/compiler/issues/985>
2019-02-11T12:11:48.085500
Denae
elmlang
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whoa, so I haven't used it since 0.17 then?
2019-02-11T12:17:03.086200
Saran
elmlang
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Elm actually wanted the whole upper signature to be `Skin`
2019-02-11T12:17:13.086600
Emilee
elmlang
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Which is to say, I forgot an argument
2019-02-11T12:17:31.087100
Emilee
elmlang
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Welcome back and wooooo!
2019-02-11T13:22:02.087900
Teddy
elmlang
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Does anyone know of an example of list items drag and drop reordering for mobile browsers (touch)?
2019-02-11T13:26:47.088900
Bebe
elmlang
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I’m so excited to be back. Should be back to spending a lot of time in Elm next week, once I finish this ruby tapas episode.
2019-02-11T14:00:58.089300
Hoyt
elmlang
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Awesome. I'll look forward to that too :wink:
2019-02-11T14:03:29.089600
Teddy
elmlang
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Working on an episode (probably a two-parter) on polymorphic custom attributes in rails, following some of the episodes on whole values.
2019-02-11T14:07:21.091100
Hoyt
elmlang
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i think `elm reactor` is a nice tool. However, once you need to add a port to your elm file, it's pretty much much useless, right? Do you have some tricks what to do then before starting to setup a whole build process?
2019-02-11T14:08:01.091800
Earnestine
elmlang
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Check out parcel, supports elm out if the box
2019-02-11T14:17:03.092400
Danika
elmlang
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Ohhhh! Those will be fun.
2019-02-11T14:20:50.092700
Teddy
elmlang
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<https://www.npmjs.com/package/elm-live> is a way.
2019-02-11T14:52:31.093500
Velia
elmlang
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looks very nice and works here for elm19... however, I'd need it for 18 now, does anyone know how to make this work?
2019-02-11T14:54:02.094200
Earnestine
elmlang
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My own HTML5 D&amp;D implementation works nice with this polyfill: <https://github.com/Bernardo-Castilho/dragdroptouch>
2019-02-11T15:49:18.094500
Lynne
elmlang
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norpan/elm-html5-drag-drop recommends using it also
2019-02-11T15:49:56.094700
Lynne
elmlang
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parcel works from 0.19 onwards I think but there is elm-live etc.(old versions will work with0.18)
2019-02-11T16:22:33.096100
Florencia
elmlang
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Thanks Sergey
2019-02-11T17:08:24.096400
Bebe
elmlang
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I found the norpan one, do you have a link for yours?
2019-02-11T17:10:57.097100
Bebe
elmlang
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Is it possible to import CSS file into Elm code, or somehow instruct a compiler to include it in the generated `index.html`?
2019-02-11T18:02:29.098500
Bernardina
elmlang
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You can use `Browser.element` as app root, build `js` bundle by your own and write down html file where you can include whatever you need
2019-02-11T18:08:21.098600
Van
elmlang
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not limited to Browser.element btw
2019-02-11T18:32:01.098800
Desire
elmlang
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Is `elm reactor` suitable for production - i.e. can it be used to serve files in production?
2019-02-11T18:33:31.099500
Bernardina
elmlang
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Or should I use some other HTML server
2019-02-11T18:33:44.099800
Bernardina
elmlang
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personally I would dump it to an html file and serve it via nginx, but if you’re okay with exposing the Reactor UI to anyone visiting your site, go right ahead.
2019-02-11T18:40:25.101400
Alleen
elmlang
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Just published a package (`jxxcarlson/elm-stat`) on the package manager. The README refers to an image. It shows up locally and also on Github. /But on the package manager there is a the "broken image" icon. Here is the relevant markdown text: ![Image](./image/dataviewer.png)
2019-02-11T18:49:13.103600
Jana
elmlang
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how would one go about decoding a Map: <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Map>
2019-02-11T18:53:58.104100
Danika
elmlang
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<@Bernardina> I'd compile to index.html and then put it on <http://github.io|github.io>. If you don't really need any server side stuff that's pretty easy.
2019-02-11T19:29:00.105400
Lindsey
elmlang
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<@Danika> perhaps <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/elm-community/json-extra/latest/Json-Decode-Extra#collection> will work.
2019-02-11T19:52:18.106100
Earlean
elmlang
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Hmm
2019-02-11T19:54:43.106600
Danika
elmlang
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Maps aren’t array-like unfortunately
2019-02-11T19:55:29.106900
Danika
elmlang
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I think I’m SOL/
2019-02-11T19:56:23.107100
Danika
elmlang
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It wouldn’t be a problem but I’m dealing with some quite complex data structures that I don’t have much control over. I can call `toArray` on all necessary items directly but it’s going to make the js quite messy. Bummer ^^
2019-02-11T19:57:40.108300
Danika
elmlang
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Markdown doesn't really specify how relative URLs should be handled. I've seen this happen on some other git sites besides GitHub, too.
2019-02-12T00:32:06.109400
Bert
elmlang
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How do you get a Map through to Elm land though? Ports with Json.Decode.Value?
2019-02-12T00:34:01.110900
Bert
elmlang
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You’d probably just need to get the go ahead from the NoRedInk guys, as a formality but I think that it should be fine
2019-02-12T01:22:31.111000
Iona
elmlang
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Yes
2019-02-12T01:46:41.111500
Danika
elmlang
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My implementation is not packaged and it is not better than norpan's package. It is just a direct implementation via event handlers which I did when I did not know that package existed.
2019-02-12T02:52:09.111600
Lynne
elmlang
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In my opinion, running `elm reactor` in production could be a security and performance risk. I would not do it. Use a web server that is scrutinized for security issues and optimized.
2019-02-12T03:04:36.111900
Velia
elmlang
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elm-grove / elm-github-install... both work only for elm18 currently. Any ideas which one of them is more likely to be migrated to 19 soon?
2019-02-12T03:34:32.113500
Earnestine
elmlang
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-- CORRUPT JSON ---------------------------------------------------------------- The elm.json for elm-community/list-extra 2.0.0 got corrupted somehow. I removed it from my file cache, so if it was some transient error it should be fixed if you try the same thing again. Please report this if it seems like an Elm problem though!
2019-02-12T03:34:58.113700
Shirley
elmlang
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-- CORRUPT JSON ---------------------------------------------------------------- The elm.json for elm-community/list-extra 2.0.0 got corrupted somehow. I removed it from my file cache, so if it was some transient error it should be fixed if you try the same thing again. Please report this if it seems like an Elm problem though!
2019-02-12T03:35:39.114100
Shirley
elmlang
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Sorry for the poor formatting, I'm trying to get it right but I'm new to slack. I keep getting the above error message when trying to install any package
2019-02-12T03:36:12.115000
Shirley
elmlang
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Latest version of `elm-community/list-extra` is 8.1.0, how come `elm` is trying to install 2.0.0?
2019-02-12T03:41:14.115600
Lynne
elmlang
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I don't think any of those will be updated. AFAIK the author does not use elm anymore. There is this though if you cannot live with a monorepo: <https://github.com/Skinney/elm-git-install>
2019-02-12T03:41:40.116000
Velia
elmlang
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Could you paste contents of your `elm.json` (in a thread please)?
2019-02-12T03:41:50.116300
Lynne
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Sure, give me a minute or two for figuring out creating a thread. Thank you for your quick reply
2019-02-12T03:44:54.117000
Shirley
elmlang
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Here is a thread :slightly_smiling_face:
2019-02-12T03:45:10.117200
Lynne
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Just hover mouse over message and you'll see an action pane to the right
2019-02-12T03:45:32.117500
Lynne
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{ "type": "application", "source-directories": [ "src" ], "elm-version": "0.19.0", "dependencies": { "direct": { "NoRedInk/elm-json-decode-pipeline": "1.0.0", "elm/browser": "1.0.0", "elm/core": "1.0.0", "elm/html": "1.0.0", "elm/json": "1.0.0", "elm-community/list-extra": "8.1.0", "mdgriffith/elm-ui": "1.1.0", "ohanhi/keyboard": "1.0.0", "stoeffel/editable": "2.0.1", "tortus/elm-array-2d": "2.1.2" }, "indirect": { "elm/time": "1.0.0", "elm/url": "1.0.0", "elm/virtual-dom": "1.0.2" } }, "test-dependencies": { "direct": {}, "indirect": {} } }
2019-02-12T03:46:04.117700
Shirley
elmlang
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Thank you :slightly_smiling_face:
2019-02-12T03:46:10.118100
Shirley
elmlang
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Oh, a lot of stuff
2019-02-12T03:46:22.118300
Lynne
elmlang
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So apparently some of your dependencies depends on some outdated version of `list-extra`
2019-02-12T03:46:47.118500
Lynne
elmlang
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Ahh, thanks! I hadn't thought of that, looks like I'll be going through my packages to see which one uses this outdated version
2019-02-12T03:47:41.118700
Shirley
elmlang
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Wait
2019-02-12T03:47:51.118900
Lynne
elmlang
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This tool does not see any conflict: <https://www.markuslaire.com/github/elm-dependencies-analyzer/>
2019-02-12T03:48:27.119100
Lynne
elmlang
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By the way, there are some rather outdated versions
2019-02-12T03:50:19.119300
Lynne
elmlang
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I would actually remove everything and start adding dependencies one-by-one from scratch if I were you
2019-02-12T03:50:37.119500
Lynne
elmlang
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mmm, alright I'll start with doing that, thanks!
2019-02-12T03:50:58.119700
Shirley
elmlang
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Well, there is no surprise Elm is saying that `elm.json` is corrupt for `list-extra 2.0.0` because there is no `elm.json` for that version of the package :slightly_smiling_face:
2019-02-12T03:54:27.119900
Lynne
elmlang
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It seems that there was something wrong with a package I tried to install. Using another fork of the package worked. Thanks for your suggestions :slightly_smiling_face:
2019-02-12T04:07:53.120100
Shirley
elmlang
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What was the package if I may ask?
2019-02-12T04:08:22.120300
Lynne