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elmlang | general | You can try deleting the `elm-stuff` directory and you might get lucky | 2019-05-01T02:28:21.264600 | Earlean |
elmlang | general | Have you tried to compile it without the --debug flag? | 2019-05-01T02:39:05.264700 | Dexter |
elmlang | general | No ive localized the issur it has to do with updating records | 2019-05-01T05:06:18.265500 | Isaias |
elmlang | general | I still dont quite know what in particular is causing the error | 2019-05-01T05:06:42.266200 | Isaias |
elmlang | general | Or maybe it has to do with my debug todo stubs.. idk | 2019-05-01T05:19:03.266700 | Isaias |
elmlang | general | Oh btw i refactored and it fixed itself | 2019-05-01T06:36:00.267500 | Isaias |
elmlang | general | I wanted to install a package from the master branch on github (as opposed to a number versioned branch) - is there a way to do that, or does it go against the elm way? | 2019-05-01T08:53:29.270100 | Carmon |
elmlang | general | yes that is not supported by the tooling. you can force it if you really need to | 2019-05-01T08:58:18.270800 | Virgie |
elmlang | general | OK - how do I force it? | 2019-05-01T09:01:29.271500 | Carmon |
elmlang | general | Has anybody found a nice way to do state transitions for an SPA? I'm finding that everything seems to become spaghetti code. (Model, update, view) triplets haven't been ideal for code clarity in my past experiences. | 2019-05-01T09:06:21.273100 | Tarsha |
elmlang | general | well, as they say, here be dragons
go to `~/.elm` and find the package that you want to mess with, eg `/home/folkertdev/.elm/0.19.0/package/elm/file/1.0.5`. You can change the source there. Nothing will happen yet though because everything is cached.
You then have to remove all 3 `.dat` files in that directory. Now go to your project, remove elm-stuff and recompile it | 2019-05-01T09:09:18.273200 | Virgie |
elmlang | general | but again, you should not be doing this (maybe except for testing fixes to packages in your app). it is not supported, it is hacky, it is not distributable | 2019-05-01T09:10:29.273400 | Virgie |
elmlang | general | in the sense that your elm.json is now inaccurate as to what version is actually used in your app | 2019-05-01T09:11:04.273600 | Virgie |
elmlang | general | You’ve looked at the canonical examples? | 2019-05-01T09:11:33.273800 | Dede |
elmlang | general | I have an idiosyncratic approach here, which some people have found at least interesting. <https://github.com/jhbrown94/experimental-elm-spa-skeleton> | 2019-05-01T09:12:17.274000 | Dede |
elmlang | general | I get it - but thank you. I am hoping the master is released before my app is complete. OTOH it's not like I've never been bitten in the a** by a dragon | 2019-05-01T09:13:42.274200 | Carmon |
elmlang | general | Not the most helpful answer, but if you've followed and understand the canonical examples, my recommendation is that there isn't a good rule of thumb, you have to start from first principles. And that means sitting down and thinking out your app, because the spaghetti is frequently inherent in how complicated your app is, not coming from the language | 2019-05-01T09:18:34.274400 | Liane |
elmlang | general | I do have 2 easy rules that I have found almost always make things better: 1) Find types and build modules around them. Do not worry about module size, if the functionality is logically related. 2) Keep the app as flat as possible. A big app can happily be one package. Things seem to me to want to be packaged as logical units, not to keep code length down, in Elm. | 2019-05-01T09:21:21.274600 | Liane |
elmlang | general | Elm helps avoid writing impossible states, but state transitions are all that your Elm code _is_, so to get that right you have to get your helper functions right. Try to make sure that certain transitions only happen in one function, and you can't accidentally do it differently in two places | 2019-05-01T09:24:31.274800 | Liane |
elmlang | general | Main issue I run into is the impossibility to 'remove' type information, so you can't neatly group things based on abstract 'shape'. If I'm not mistake <@Dede> is essentially doing this by expressing every triplet in terms of parent model and msg. I guess this can work but it seems 'nasty' to use an input type that is only partially supported. In contrast, my API router in Haskell looks like a table of endpoint names, verbs and handlers.
Maybe I'm just asking for too much for a language the aim of which is to remain simple. | 2019-05-01T09:25:34.275000 | Tarsha |
elmlang | general | are you saying you would like to abstract out page triplets? | 2019-05-01T09:27:29.275200 | Liane |
elmlang | general | Speaking at a high-abstraction level: I'm not interested in 3 values, I'm interested in 1 page, and I want to reason about that page as being a *page* not a `Page model msg`. | 2019-05-01T09:29:16.275400 | Tarsha |
elmlang | general | At least not with bound `model` and `msg` types. | 2019-05-01T09:30:53.275600 | Tarsha |
elmlang | general | The `Descriptors` in my skeleton try to give you most of that. They hide the page-specific model stuff entirely, and most of the page-specific msg stuff. That said, it sounds like you are pining for more traditional object-orientedness with inheritance, and that’s really not where Elm’s philosophy lies. | 2019-05-01T09:32:47.275800 | Dede |
elmlang | general | More like typeclasses, but that's considered too complex for Elm, and I can see where that notion is coming from. | 2019-05-01T09:34:54.276000 | Tarsha |
elmlang | general | I guess the two approaches try to fulfill the same abstract desire. | 2019-05-01T09:36:11.276200 | Tarsha |
elmlang | general | Essentially I want to do sort-of what you did, but with type-restrictions being internal. | 2019-05-01T09:39:03.276400 | Tarsha |
elmlang | general | Well, that covers phantom types, but there are some other type-system “hacks/tricks” going on here. | 2019-05-01T09:50:10.276600 | Leoma |
elmlang | general | What debounce library do folks recommend for 0.19? I saw a few | 2019-05-01T10:53:23.278600 | Marinda |
elmlang | general | What do you mean by state transitions? | 2019-05-01T12:11:00.279200 | Ashton |
elmlang | general | I think of, any kind of update to the model as a state transition. | 2019-05-01T12:11:16.279400 | Ashton |
elmlang | general | Richard’s SPA example seems like a good guide. Can you find the problem you are talking about in that code base? | 2019-05-01T12:12:50.279600 | Ashton |
elmlang | general | I read people raving about Elm UI. what is it? is it out for 0.19? what makes it so good? | 2019-05-01T13:43:48.280200 | Efren |
elmlang | general | it is out, <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/mdgriffith/elm-ui/latest/> | 2019-05-01T13:44:24.280300 | Mirian |
elmlang | general | It's an alternative way for writing html/css stuff | 2019-05-01T13:44:44.280500 | Mirian |
elmlang | general | (by not writing html/css stuff and instead using pure Elm) | 2019-05-01T13:44:56.280700 | Mirian |
elmlang | general | is Ellie an elm thing? | 2019-05-01T13:46:54.281000 | Efren |
elmlang | general | yup, Elm-only AFAIK | 2019-05-01T13:47:10.281200 | Mirian |
elmlang | general | written in elm too? | 2019-05-01T13:47:20.281400 | Efren |
elmlang | general | yes, I think so | 2019-05-01T13:47:36.281600 | Mirian |
elmlang | general | i see. what makes it so great | 2019-05-01T13:47:37.281800 | Efren |
elmlang | general | you can look it up on github | 2019-05-01T13:47:56.282000 | Mirian |
elmlang | general | <https://github.com/ellie-app/ellie> | 2019-05-01T13:47:56.282200 | Mirian |
elmlang | general | i did notice it was noticeably less buggy and slow than similar apps | 2019-05-01T13:48:10.282400 | Efren |
elmlang | general | so i was wondering | 2019-05-01T13:48:12.282600 | Efren |
elmlang | general | Are you familiar with CSS? | 2019-05-01T13:49:46.282800 | Leoma |
elmlang | general | yea | 2019-05-01T13:49:52.283000 | Efren |
elmlang | general | The bullet points on the package site sum it up quite well from my perspective. I know barely any CSS so a library that allows me to not write is heaven-sent. | 2019-05-01T13:50:12.283200 | Mirian |
elmlang | general | So you’d probably agree there are countless ways to get strange unintended layouts in CSS. | 2019-05-01T13:50:21.283400 | Leoma |
elmlang | general | certainly | 2019-05-01T13:50:35.283600 | Efren |
elmlang | general | every time im frustrated about css (frequently) i think there should be a better alternative | 2019-05-01T13:50:50.283800 | Efren |
elmlang | general | Many times, with valid CSS, you’d get an output that probably no one would ever want | 2019-05-01T13:50:51.284000 | Leoma |
elmlang | general | is this my savior | 2019-05-01T13:50:51.284200 | Efren |
elmlang | general | also is this the docs <https://elm-ui.netlify.com/documentation/getting-started/setup> | 2019-05-01T13:50:57.284400 | Efren |
elmlang | general | oh it's another library I think | 2019-05-01T13:51:16.284600 | Mirian |
elmlang | general | So elm-ui says: “let’s try to have this layout business make more sense”. | 2019-05-01T13:51:22.284800 | Leoma |
elmlang | general | all docs for `mdgriffith/elm-ui` are here: <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/mdgriffith/elm-ui/latest/> | 2019-05-01T13:51:57.285000 | Mirian |
elmlang | general | if I were to watch avideo on it is this a good one | 2019-05-01T13:56:43.285200 | Efren |
elmlang | general | <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie-gqwSHQr0> | 2019-05-01T13:56:43.285400 | Efren |
elmlang | general | I enjoyed it, so I recommend wholeheartedly :wink: | 2019-05-01T14:00:31.285600 | Mirian |
elmlang | general | Yes. That’s a good video. Starting with elm-ui is deceptively simple. Read the basic Element module API at <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/mdgriffith/elm-ui/1.0.0/Element>. That gives you a good overview of all the basic stuff. Need more on Input? It’s in Element.Input. Need more on Borders? In Element.Border.
Finally, `Element#layout` turns your elm-ui layout into html. | 2019-05-01T14:08:31.286000 | Leoma |
elmlang | general | Really, you can just get started building stuff. | 2019-05-01T14:08:54.286200 | Leoma |
elmlang | general | would it be possible to add a class or ID to the debugger div that is inserted on local elm projects? | 2019-05-01T14:26:30.287100 | Latonya |
elmlang | general | <@Latonya> nothing built in, I usually query it by the zindex | 2019-05-01T14:31:04.287500 | Alicia |
elmlang | general | like to move the debugger to the left side
```
div[style*="z-index: 2147483647"] {
left: 0 !important;
width: 250px !important;
}
``` | 2019-05-01T14:31:36.287800 | Alicia |
elmlang | general | i think that's the highest possible z-index, correct? so _lastpass_ uses the same one | 2019-05-01T14:33:32.288600 | Latonya |
elmlang | general | maybe i can submit a PR to add an ID. i just don't even know where the debugger code lives (i'm mostly a designer, doing some css) | 2019-05-01T14:38:10.290300 | Latonya |
elmlang | general | saw your face in that talk. spooky | 2019-05-01T14:50:42.290400 | Efren |
elmlang | general | anyway, looks cool, but I'm not convinced yet this can express everything CSS can. he never addressed that (that i saw) | 2019-05-01T14:51:09.290600 | Efren |
elmlang | general | Haha ya. Matthew liked my quote and asked to include it. I still stand behind that feeling 100%. | 2019-05-01T14:56:03.290800 | Leoma |
elmlang | general | Anyway, elm-ui has a way of wrapping and html element into an elm-ui element, AND also of wrapping html attributes into elm-ui attributes. So you can use all of html/css in elm-ui. | 2019-05-01T14:57:10.291000 | Leoma |
elmlang | general | you need to put the padding on the `td` elements | 2019-05-01T15:03:49.291200 | Nana |
elmlang | general | a PR could be nice, but it tends to take a long time to get them reviewed or merged | 2019-05-01T15:15:42.291900 | Alicia |
elmlang | general | would querying on multiple properties help eliminate lastpass?, or maybe lastpass has something in its element you could eliminate with a `:not()` selector? | 2019-05-01T15:17:46.292600 | Alicia |
elmlang | general | Hi all, I'm suddenly getting the dreaded `elm: Map.!: given key is not an element in the map` compilation error, and deleting elm-stuff isn't working. Any tips? | 2019-05-01T15:19:09.293500 | Yahaira |
elmlang | general | Have you tried disabling the debugger? | 2019-05-01T15:20:37.294200 | Timika |
elmlang | general | Avoid —debug seems to be the most popular one | 2019-05-01T15:20:44.294500 | Bebe |
elmlang | general | Thanks! I'm using `parcel watch` to build my Elm app, so I'll have to see if there's an option to turn off the debugger in parcel's watch mode | 2019-05-01T15:23:33.296100 | Yahaira |
elmlang | general | Thanks - it does compile ok if the debugger is off. I may just have to stop using parcel watch for now. | 2019-05-01T15:34:33.298300 | Yahaira |
elmlang | general | You can also downgrade to something around parcel `1.10.3` IIRC which does not add the `--debug` flag in watch mode. | 2019-05-01T15:57:13.299300 | Jin |
elmlang | general | Is this not allowed in 0.19? `infix right 0 (|) = function`. The `elm/core` package has syntax there. | 2019-05-01T17:03:13.300300 | Wenona |
elmlang | general | only `elm/*` and `elm-explorations/*` are allowed to define infix operators in 0.19 | 2019-05-01T17:03:48.300800 | Huong |
elmlang | general | Hmm… what about `(|) : a -> a` syntax? | 2019-05-01T17:04:14.301600 | Wenona |
elmlang | general | (same way they’re the only orgs that can write kernel code or create effect modules: they’re considered core parts of the ecosystem) | 2019-05-01T17:04:41.302100 | Huong |
elmlang | general | So you can’t do that with symbols? | 2019-05-01T17:05:00.302900 | Wenona |
elmlang | general | Correct! (I don’t think it would play nice with unary functions, but haven’t tried) | 2019-05-01T17:05:57.303900 | Huong |
elmlang | general | Right… dang. Oh well :man-shrugging: | 2019-05-01T17:07:58.304300 | Wenona |
elmlang | general | Obviously nobody is stopping you from being `elm/*` or `elm-explorations/*`, but it's not code you could make available as Elm library via `elm install`. | 2019-05-01T17:10:32.305100 | Erlene |
elmlang | general | Yeah, you can do that to experiment, though I would heavily discourage relying on such things - special syntax and whatnot for those packages is considered an implementation detail, and can/will break without prior notice :slightly_smiling_face: | 2019-05-01T17:13:08.307700 | Huong |
elmlang | general | It seems that `elm/bytes` doesn’t have the concept of seeking to a given offset. I noticed there’s a `Byte.Parser`, skip method seems the closest functionality. Am I right ? | 2019-05-01T17:34:23.309300 | Hoa |
elmlang | general | I’ve just realised that Quake 3 BSP files are not guaranteed to have the various lumps in the order they are listed in the header “directory” portion. Damn | 2019-05-01T17:35:55.311000 | Hoa |
elmlang | general | the file disagrees with its own header? | 2019-05-01T17:36:11.311300 | Virgie |
elmlang | general | Not really. I have not explained well the scenario | 2019-05-01T17:36:43.311900 | Hoa |
elmlang | general | Basically the header lists a number of so called “lumps”, each has a offset and length. I was assuming that the order the lumps listed in the header was the same of the actual data later on the file. It is not the case. | 2019-05-01T17:38:41.313900 | Hoa |
elmlang | general | <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/zwilias/elm-bytes-parser/latest/Bytes-Parser#randomAccess> is my preferred method for this kind of thing | 2019-05-01T17:39:26.315000 | Huong |
elmlang | general | you can first decode the header and then sort. In general I've found a two-phase decoding process easier in this sort of case: once to slice the buffer into smaller buffers (one for each table), then individual decoders for the tables | 2019-05-01T17:39:30.315200 | Virgie |
elmlang | general | if you know where a “lump” starts, this is pretty straightforward | 2019-05-01T17:39:47.315400 | Huong |
elmlang | general | Ah, you sort the “directory” part by the offset, right? | 2019-05-01T17:40:12.316400 | Hoa |
elmlang | general | exactly | 2019-05-01T17:40:20.316600 | Virgie |
elmlang | general | Oh, that’s clever | 2019-05-01T17:40:30.317000 | Hoa |
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