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yeah, that will cause you issues. But you can do an `init_app` style like this, rather than importing the app directly (which is probably why you have the issue)
2017-07-12T09:47:32.207025
Beula
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to get around it temporarily
2017-07-12T09:47:39.211166
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-07-12T09:47:39.211166
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but blueprints == important
2017-07-12T09:47:48.216537
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-07-12T09:47:48.216537
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Ya, even though I don't completely understand it, I feel that I should be implementing blue prints and an app factory pattern asap to avoid even more headaches later on...
2017-07-12T09:48:19.235129
Thomasina
pythondev_help_Thomasina_2017-07-12T09:48:19.235129
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Yeah, they are really helpful
2017-07-12T09:48:55.256714
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-07-12T09:48:55.256714
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It's annoying that this stuff is buried towards the back of the Flask docs (if I remember correctly) because I'd contend it's almost impossible to build a non-trivial Flask app without it
2017-07-12T09:49:33.279306
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-07-12T09:49:33.279306
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They want people to get the initial wins to like it
2017-07-12T09:49:53.291508
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-07-12T09:49:53.291508
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Part of why I am not using flask as much is that it encourages crap like this: <https://github.com/pyslackers/website-old/blob/master/pyslackers/external.py#L39>
2017-07-12T09:52:16.377811
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-07-12T09:52:16.377811
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<@Gabriele> Ya, it boggles my mind how non-obvious these things are to new users of Flask such as myself. I wasn't even aware these things existed for awhile, never mind that they were at all important.
2017-07-12T09:52:21.381037
Thomasina
pythondev_help_Thomasina_2017-07-12T09:52:21.381037
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Unfortunately most blogs and stuff only show happy path projects, few people educate on good patterns
2017-07-12T09:53:01.404822
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-07-12T09:53:01.404822
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`from .models` How does that work? O_o
2017-07-12T09:53:14.412263
Thomasina
pythondev_help_Thomasina_2017-07-12T09:53:14.412263
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relative import
2017-07-12T09:53:23.417619
Beula
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<https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/modules.html#intra-package-references>
2017-07-12T09:53:46.431591
Beula
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Ohhh, I see. Being rather new to Python I hadn't seen that before. Didn't exist in any other language I'd been coding in either. I take it that's something to avoid as well? I think I fell victim to at least a few of those tutorials that have some not-so-good practices mixed in with them
2017-07-12T09:54:39.464137
Thomasina
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relative imports are okay, but yeah - generally importing in a function/class/method is discouraged
2017-07-12T09:55:09.482574
Beula
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yeah, relative imports themselves are actually quite good
2017-07-12T09:55:24.491999
Junita
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Do imports by themselves generally have a lot of overhead?
2017-07-12T09:55:37.499958
Thomasina
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relative imports lets you avoid refactor annoyances with renaming packages and such
2017-07-12T09:55:48.506945
Beula
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you get to be quite explicit about where you are getting stuff from
2017-07-12T09:55:59.513744
Junita
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in the general case I wouldn’t worry about import overhead
2017-07-12T09:56:32.533955
Junita
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<https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips#Import_Statement_Overhead>
2017-07-12T09:56:44.541908
Beula
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&gt; import statements can be executed just about anywhere. It's often useful to place them inside functions to restrict their visibility and/or reduce initial startup time. Although Python's interpreter is optimized to not import the same module multiple times, repeatedly executing an import statement can seriously affect performance in some circumstances.
2017-07-12T09:56:59.550891
Beula
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I imported some APIs within functions because I thought it was kind of wasteful to import - for example - a Yelp, FourSquare, and EventBrite library when only the TicketMaster library would be needed for a certain call to my API, and after learning you can import in functions in Python.
2017-07-12T09:56:59.550901
Thomasina
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It actually does have impact that matters
2017-07-12T09:57:29.570000
Beula
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Ideally you'd only do that at app-startup, not each call (e.g. don't import into an http endpoint handler)
2017-07-12T09:57:51.583855
Beula
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...yeah, I was about to say that. You usually want this sort of thing out of the way at startup time
2017-07-12T09:58:25.605045
Gabriele
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Wouldn't the result be the same? I mean, at the risk of sounding like an idiot (this is my first PaaS project), every time someone calls my API doesn't `app.py` - in my Procfile: `web: python app.py` - run again and the whole process starts over?
2017-07-12T10:00:49.698858
Thomasina
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no
2017-07-12T10:01:01.707001
Gabriele
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At least not usually. Python servers, including Flask, are typically long-running processes. They sit waiting for requests, and when they've finished with one, they wait for the next
2017-07-12T10:01:49.737510
Gabriele
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you also want to use gunicorn (or a different interface server)
2017-07-12T10:01:55.741269
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-07-12T10:01:55.741269
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don't use the flask devserver for prod
2017-07-12T10:01:58.743033
Beula
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but the way some of those work is as <@Gabriele> said. Some will restart a subprocess after it's handled some number of requests to limit memory growth, or something similar
2017-07-12T10:02:46.774204
Beula
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Oh no, how do I know if I'm using the devserver on Heroku? It completely slipped my mind and I didn't use gunicorn...so I guess I am? :dizzy_face:
2017-07-12T10:03:51.815478
Thomasina
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`python app.py` suggests you are
2017-07-12T10:04:03.823513
Beula
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Well...yes...I think I am. I guess when I was brand new and just starting the project I somehow thought that Heroku would take of the server stuff...guess that doesn't make much sense.. whoops
2017-07-12T10:05:05.862900
Thomasina
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It's fine in the short term if you're still developing or have a tiny number of users, but you'll probably want to test in a 'proper' config sooner rather than later to verify that everything still works
2017-07-12T10:05:17.871027
Gabriele
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For example, we had big problems when we moved our Flask app to Elastic Beanstalk because it has its own particular way that it expects Flask apps to be structured, which didn't match our existing setup
2017-07-12T10:06:31.916937
Gabriele
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So - and I still can't believe I didn't already realize this - Heroku runs my project on a server but it's truly a bare server without any HTTP functionality for example, which is why something like gunicorn is needed, right?
2017-07-12T10:07:14.943673
Thomasina
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they have a load balancer in front
2017-07-12T10:07:49.965970
Beula
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No, it's more that Flask has its own built-in HTTP server that is not designed to run at scale, just to service your local developer requests and that's about it
2017-07-12T10:07:56.970168
Gabriele
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So, without the Flask server running, Heroku would take care of that part? :upside_down_face:
2017-07-12T10:08:30.991896
Thomasina
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thats what you need gunicorn for
2017-07-12T10:08:54.006598
Meg
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no
2017-07-12T10:09:08.015292
Beula
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Without the flask server or gunicorn running, heroku would show an error page
2017-07-12T10:09:30.028876
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-07-12T10:09:30.028876
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Go here, scroll down to "The Web Server": <https://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega-tutorial-part-xviii-deployment-on-the-heroku-cloud>
2017-07-12T10:10:12.055258
Gabriele
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so the flow is something liek this request -&gt; Heroku LB -&gt; Heroku Instance -&gt; Guincorn/wsgi -&gt; Flask/Django
2017-07-12T10:10:20.060310
Meg
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the internal flask http server is not meant for production
2017-07-12T10:11:46.113852
Meg
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its slow, can't scale at all
2017-07-12T10:12:05.125916
Meg
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<@Gabriele> Haha, I had learned a lot of what I know from that tutorial but hadn't gone through the whole thing. Guess I should've taken time to do the _whole_ thing.
2017-07-12T10:12:24.137968
Thomasina
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thats why you need to have somethign up front to separate into processes and handle concurrent requests
2017-07-12T10:12:28.140357
Meg
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i’ve used the factory pattern and blueprints since the beginning with many extensions and never had any issues.
2017-07-12T10:24:50.612825
Johana
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Any preferred web hotels to use for hosting django?
2017-07-12T10:25:49.651388
Zackary
pythondev_help_Zackary_2017-07-12T10:25:49.651388
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Depends on what you want, there is <http://pythonanywhere.com|pythonanywhere.com>, <http://heroku.com|heroku.com> as two _easy_ solutions (infrastructure as a service)
2017-07-12T10:28:51.771928
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-07-12T10:28:51.771928
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I just use Digital Ocean or AWS (usually the former)
2017-07-12T10:29:12.785455
Beula
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DO for personal
2017-07-12T10:31:59.898411
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-07-12T10:31:59.898411
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AWS for work
2017-07-12T10:32:01.900025
Meg
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<@Meg> Wow. That's a super clear explainer! Thanks!
2017-07-12T10:32:04.902293
Thomasina
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<@Meg> So gunicorn takes care of this process splitting and such?
2017-07-12T10:32:49.933105
Thomasina
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correct
2017-07-12T10:33:04.943576
Meg
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DO for personal but if you are new to AWS you can get a year free of their micro-instances which is really nice.
2017-07-12T10:35:48.051610
Johana
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<https://aws.amazon.com/free/>
2017-07-12T10:36:41.087147
Johana
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&gt; These free tier offers are only available to new AWS customers, and are available for 12 months following your AWS sign-up date. When your 12 month free usage term expires or if your application use exceeds the tiers, you simply pay standard, pay-as-you-go service rates (see each service page for full pricing details). Restrictions apply; see offer terms for more details.
2017-07-12T10:37:04.101731
Johana
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And is the benefit of using blueprints solely to help with avoiding circular import issues?
2017-07-12T10:38:45.167522
Thomasina
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if you don’t have a lot of experience with all that stuff I’d say Heroku can be a good first step
2017-07-12T10:38:58.175939
Junita
pythondev_help_Junita_2017-07-12T10:38:58.175939
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as matt said, infrastructure as a service makes things nice and easy
2017-07-12T10:39:19.189905
Junita
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<@Thomasina> - no, blueprints are just a good way to break up your app into components and separate concerns.
2017-07-12T10:39:32.198198
Beula
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They can help with the import issue since you decorate the route with `@bp.route` instead of `@app.route` though
2017-07-12T10:40:07.220770
Beula
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<@Beula> the breaking up an app into components thing sounds like good OOP really. So blueprints somehow extend this concept?
2017-07-12T10:41:53.291661
Thomasina
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I'd say it's more about general modularity than OOP
2017-07-12T10:42:09.302115
Gabriele
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Ah, ok
2017-07-12T10:43:08.340354
Thomasina
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Also, I'm using Flask-restful so I don't have any route decorators, instead `api.add_resource(API_Users, '/users/')` :speak_no_evil: Not sure if that makes a difference in your example, <@Beula>
2017-07-12T10:43:16.345608
Thomasina
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I am not familiar with that one, but it looks like they probably build on top of blueprints and you have to register the `api` with your app
2017-07-12T10:44:20.388905
Beula
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Register the api? Sorry... I'm not sure if I understand. :disappointed: "Register"? Which `api` might that be?
2017-07-12T10:46:27.475251
Thomasina
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Ah, no you use `Api(app)` or `api = Api(); api.init_app(app)`
2017-07-12T10:47:06.501700
Beula
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That is what I was looking for
2017-07-12T10:47:12.505743
Beula
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``` api = Api(app) class HelloWorld(Resource): def get(self): return {'hello': 'world'} api.add_resource(HelloWorld, '/') ```
2017-07-12T10:47:49.531345
Johana
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api = Api(app) is registering api with app, no?
2017-07-12T10:48:37.563178
Johana
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Ah, yes, that's right. I guess it's the "you have to register the `api` with your app"...this is what I'm already doing, right? I'm not sure if it was meant that I need to do this (e.g. I haven't done it) or if it's just being stated that I was required to do this...
2017-07-12T10:50:23.633909
Thomasina
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to do this with a blueprint you can do: ``` #extensions.py api = Api() ``` ``` from extensions import api bp = Blueprint('api', __name__, url_prefix='/api/v1') api.init_app(bp) class HelloWorld(Resource): def get(self): return {'hello': 'world'} api.add_resource(HelloWorld, '/') ```
2017-07-12T10:53:33.762705
Johana
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Guys, hi I have searched for it a little bit, but still dont find information When I write a custom path in django logging settings like ‘filename’: ‘logs/main.log’ a error occur saying that there is no such file Am I really should create it manually? Or there is a way it can be done automatically, if no such file exist?
2017-07-12T11:00:36.059737
Danille
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<@Johana> Oh nice! Thanks for the example! Makes a lot more sense to me now.
2017-07-12T11:00:38.061646
Thomasina
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So I guess I should dive into learning to implement gunicorn, blueprints, and app factory patterns now. Thanks for the help guys! I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
2017-07-12T11:01:10.084009
Thomasina
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i haven’t updated this in a while but it’s a good approach to using blueprints and app factory pattern. <https://github.com/mikefromit/real_world_flask>
2017-07-12T11:01:24.093910
Johana
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i had many ideas for it initially but it was pushed up mainly to help someone who had a project structure question.
2017-07-12T11:01:54.115493
Johana
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Here is another take, but it's a cookiecutter so slightly less obvious to read: <https://github.com/mrasband/cookiecutter-flask>
2017-07-12T11:02:37.145866
Beula
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mine is slightly based off mattupstates blog article <http://mattupstate.com/blog/how-i-structure-my-flask-applications/>
2017-07-12T11:03:25.178566
Johana
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i asked him tons of questions about his structure in the #pocoo channel on irc.
2017-07-12T11:03:51.196113
Johana
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this was when i was learning flask. i don’t use everything he does.
2017-07-12T11:04:20.215708
Johana
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I guess adding a procfile to either/both would help newbies that use heroku, even if they don't use heroku it at least shows the "prod command"
2017-07-12T11:04:49.235368
Beula
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flask project structure is interesting and i have found that even my own has evolved over time as i pick up new conventions. i do run several flask apps in production for my organization. one of them runs our biglearn platform and is very similar to the link i posted.
2017-07-12T11:07:23.339644
Johana
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it powers this guy: <https://openstax.org/openstax-tutor>
2017-07-12T11:08:44.393353
Johana
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i don’t mention that to toot my own horn. i just happen to love flask and i want to assure everyone that it can run enterprise level stuff.
2017-07-12T11:10:13.453210
Johana
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<@Ciera> re: github api did you find out if you can invite a user to a team if they haven't joined the organization yet?
2017-07-12T11:18:01.767779
Alba
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Yeah it's not possible
2017-07-12T11:18:48.799903
Ciera
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<@Noemi> no clue. but I would suggest you have your dev and deployment environments on the same OS
2017-07-12T11:21:34.911727
Meg
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and if you can't, use docker or vagrant to do so
2017-07-12T11:21:44.918368
Meg
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then you would avoid OS-distinct issues like this
2017-07-12T11:21:58.928493
Meg
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<@Noemi> are you running the tests in both instances from the root of the api_tests folder?
2017-07-12T11:24:16.020575
Junita
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A possible exception would be Java webapps where you're using Tomcat/Jetty/some other container
2017-07-12T11:24:18.021993
Meg
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<@Junita> yes, root of the directory
2017-07-12T11:25:27.068517
Noemi
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