Cesard: Cesard: Says the Tregger poster child. you can’t sit there and state what does or doesn’t represent all non-Treg folks. Because you are not a non-Treg folk.

So you think that being a non-treg person, you get to decide what all agree with? I don’t think so. I simply said he doesn’t represent ALL. I’m pretty sure that is a safe position to take. Especially since I don’t think anything but a tiny minority would act the way he did - which was my point.

That you think he only represents ones who have no self control shows that you’ve completely missed the point. Others who have posted here have expressed their understanding of his frustration, including the OP and other Treggers.

So he represents ALL non-treggers - except in those areas where you disagree with him. Which I think was my point. Most people would not say he represents them - they’d say something like, “He was totally out of line and his behavior is unacceptable, however, I understand his frustration”. I can say that, even as a tregger.

I have ZERO problem understanding his frustration. Not only do I remember the frustration I had before treg, I can well imagine how much worse it is after all this time. Furthermore, I’m still frustrated about the delays. What are you going to say? That because I have one that that isn’t possible? Wouldn’t that mean you are claiming to know something that you have not experienced yourself? At least I actually experienced the frustration before.

Would I molest a Tregger in a restaurant? Probably not. But I would talk to him, say nice keyboard, and try not to dampen his enthusiasm too much as I stand there biting my tongue until he was finished. Then I’d probably dampen his enthusiasm a bit by telling him my story.

“Probably not”? I wouldn’t, if I wasn’t in treg, even consider it a possibility to act that way. But I can tell you what would happen if you came up to me and wanted to talk about it:

I’d tell you how great it is. I’d tell you it isn’t released yet and I’m just lucky enough to get to be a tester. And I’d tell you there have been a lot of delays, spanning over 4 years now and I had no idea when it will ship or even guarantee it will ship. And then, after demonstrating a few basics (so you could see how you can get all the characters on some few positions on the keyboard), ask you if you wanted to try it.

There is nothing you could say to dampen my enthusiasm because I already understand the frustration. My enthusiasm can be raised though - if WT would give a really good update. Or if they sent the firmware to treg users (because that would tell me they are pretty far along in the transition), and, of course, if they announced GR.

But you have no control over that and there is nothing you can say that I don’t already know about when it comes to the negative stuff.

They say 6 months is a lifetime in the evolution of technology. So I imagine 4 years is ancient history.

Well, that sounds logical. But here’s the thing - we’ve had keyboards for a very long time and this is the only one that I would say is good for the normal user (as opposed to special things like only having one hand, etc) and is a major improvement both for mobility and regular desktop use. No one has done anything comparable even on a full size keyboard, let alone a small one! No reason to think that suddenly we are going to get a rash of really good, major improvement, keyboards now when we went many decades with just variations on the basic theme.

I’m sure with new chips, it could be even better, but that isn’t the thing that makes this great. So if someone makes a keyboard with a miniaturized but full power xenon processor, it still won’t be better unless they figure out the part that is important. That’s the hard part. And it’s why, in spite of claims in 2015 that some Chinese company would copy it within 6 months, it still hasn’t happened.

In short, over 4 years later and there still isn’t anything close.

As for moving goalposts, we don’t know about that at this point. We do know the present firmware works well enough to ship. The problem is support when you don’t have free memory. Whether part of the rewrite process involves more changes is something I hope the update will tell us.