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For a few months, a few months | 0id
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is that when you first saw what You what you believe to be in kidnapping | 5yq
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those few months ago? | 1irq
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Were there any beliefs like this before? Two months? | 1irq
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I mean, yes. I've always been aware that the government you know, is probably up just to things that they probably shouldn't be and that they have access and abilities beyond, you know, the normal person. But after I saw the kidnapping, I had proof and so it's it's gotten worse because I feel like they know that I know. | 0id
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So you felt this way for a while, but seeing what you saw two months ago that made you more short? | 1irq
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Yes. Because now I have proof | 0id
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because I have proof Have you ever been treated for depression in the past? | 1irq
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Yes. My dad has taken me before when he was worried about me. But I, you know, it's never really been depression. It's always been something else. Like, I'm fine. I just, I'm aware of what's going on around me. And I don't think my dad understands that I don't think the places he takes me understands that. So | 0id
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what have the people at the places where he has taken, you know, what have they said about your condition? | 1irq
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Um, you know, they, they try to say the same thing that you know, I'm depressed or whatever, but, you know, I know I know the truth and sometimes I just have to play along. | 0id
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Just play along with it. | 3gc
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Yeah, because, you know, this is what the government wants, they want me to look crazy. So there's nothing I can do about it. | 3gc
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You think they want to discredit you? | 1irq
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Because if I if, you know, it's kind of like smearing my good name. They see me in and out of different agencies and appearing crazy. You know, obviously a lot of people don't believe the story they choose not to believe where they get paid off. And they write what they write on my file but it's not true. I'm just know what's going on. | 0id
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So you see you kind of play along. | 4crq
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All right. So do you ever have any thoughts related to death or dying or anything like that? | 5yq
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No. | 9on
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You worried about what? | 1irq
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I mean. I'm worried about the government, you know, destroying My life, you know, but I don't want to die and I don't think they're going to kill me. I think that'd be too easy. And it would just be more proof. | 0id
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So there'll be more proof that the way you've seen this real | 4crq
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correct, because obviously I'm trying to tell people about it. And if I suddenly show up missing, like there, people are going to know. So I know that they're not going to hurt me, but they could make me look crazy and I'm worried about my life. Like them worried in my life. | 6cd
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About that way. Hmm. How about any drug or alcohol? abuse? Right? | 1irq
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No, nothing. I dont like to use those things. All right. | 0id
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Any medical conditions? | 5yq
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No | 9on
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Has there ever been a time when you felt like really very happy, like how lotta energy it was very happy for several days. | 5yq
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Not really. | 9on
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That's never happened? | 5yq
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No. | 9on
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Okay. | 7ack
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Have you ever heard or seen things other people can't hear or see. | 5yq
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I think that I'm aware of things that people but no like | 9on
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who'd been hospitalized before? | 5yq
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Yes. | 7ack
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But again, it was I tried to initially tell my my dad about some things that I never knew about and he had taken me to the hospital but that was before. | 0id
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So, I would like to get him to talk to a counselor today. | 0id
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How do you feel about that? | 1irq
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I think it would be helpful for you. We had a counselor talk to you today. | 0id
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Well, | 3gc
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I understand that's what you need to do. So I guess that's what the you know, that's what we need to do to get this over with. That's fine. | 3gc
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You can. you can be okay with that. | 3gc
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I can play along, | 7ack
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you can play along. | 4crq
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Okay, | 2gt
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thanks, Sherry. | 2gt
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Yes, you really get where they're coming from you really understand the suffering bowl. | 0id
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Yeah, I guess maybe that's part of where it's so hard for me is like, I know that I'm causing a lot of suffering for people. | 0id
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Well, let's, let's talk about that. So you're in, you're in a position where you have to make some decisions about people's lives. And sometimes those decisions result in people being separated from the family. Sometimes they don't. Are you really the cause? In the larger picture? Are you really the cause of these families being broken up? | 1irq
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I guess not like it's their actions, if they were doing the right things, even if I did come in their kids wouldn't be removed. But it is still hard to be the one that pulls that trigger, you know. | 9on
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Well, you're the immediate cause kind of at the end of the whole process, but the true cause happened years or months before you got there as people made decisions that maybe weren't the best for their children for themselves. So you're really coming in, to some extent the tail end of a long series of behavioral choices | 0id
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Yeah. That's true. | 8op
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Ultimately, for this family that's causing you the cycle that you're worried about. In kind of the looking at the long term lengths, do you think the children are better off? Because they're not with a family right now? | 1irq
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I mean, if they get with a good family, which, you know, usually they do. It's, it's good for them, you know, maybe it could be a wake up call for the parents, or if not, at least the kids are getting their needs met and stuff like that. It's probably really hard for the kids and they probably want to go back to their parents. But I think overall, we wouldn't be doing this if we didn't think that it would be best for the kids to go to a place where they're going to be taken care of. | 0id
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So immediately, there's some pain because you have to pick up the family but the long run. Maybe there's a better result. Even with that, though, let's talk about the concern you have about making a poor decision. So this based on what you're describing, do you believe this was actually a poor decision? | 0id
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I guess not. It just feels like it is. | 9on
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Yeah, it feels like it is. And it was a tough decision. But looking at it in the weight of the evidence. Maybe you can appreciate that you might have had to the same thing you if you go back in time. | 0id
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Yeah. Yeah, I think so. And I'm not sure anybody else would have made a different decision either. | 8op
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So you really did what you had to do. Because there's still a pain component there for them. You're feeling torn. And you don't want to go through this again? | 0id
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No, I mean, not this feeling. But I do want to keep doing my job. | 9on
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But doing your job in a world where you could make a mistake, that's not as appealing. | 4crq
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Yeah, I mean, I guess I always knew I could make mistakes, but it just feels really real now, I guess that is the difference. | 6cd
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So in this particular instance, this what you're saying doesn't seem like a mistake. Let's consider a situation where you did make a mistake. That would be the worst case, right? We're just taking things to the worst case scenario. Okay. Your fear here is that in a sense, regardless of what already happened, going forward, you'd be mortified to make an error. Because this pain you're feeling right now. There's just a variable that's thrown everything into chaos for you. So looking around like where you work and and the history of your profession, what's the mistake you see people make from time to time and you'll be frightened of. | 0id
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I guess the biggest mistake you can really make is to miss some form of abuse or something like that. | 0id
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And then someone's hurt. Okay. | 0id
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Should I do it today? | 1irq
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Okay. | 0id
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You did okay. I understand you haven't been feeling too great lately. | 3gc
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I mean, yeah. | 7ack
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I i've never like feeling awesome. Really. But lately I've come to my awareness. But you know, I might be wrong. | 10od
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something might be wrong in what way maybe? | 1irq
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Well you know it's nothing new but I have a lot of trouble sleeping Yeah, I usually go to bed early, you know, I might go a little bit late. But then I wake up always really early, like, I'll set my alarm for like eight but I always wake up at like, five or something and then I can't get back to sleep. | 0id
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You're waking up earlier than you want to. | 1irq
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Yes, I can't get back to sleep, no matter how hard I try. And I'm tired still during the day. I don't have a lot of energy, but it doesn't matter. It just it's hard for me to go to sleep. And it's it's been like that for a really long time. Probably since high school. But, you know, lately I'm just I realized, you know, some days are better than others, but so having a couple weeks here that really like made me feel like shouldn't talk to someone Well, my brother got married and I'm very close to him. And I was really looking forward to the wedding. And then when I when I just I mean, I didn't not enjoy it, but I just didn't have as much fun as I thought I would. And I know it's just because of my mood like that I'm always a little gloomy. You know, my sister, my brother says, I'm like, you're so like, but I was really looking like I, you know, I step out of my comfort zone. I like to try new things. And I was really looking forward to this when I used to love I love weddings, you know, and it's not that I don't love them now, but I thought I would enjoy it more than I did. And that kind of like, freaked me out. | 0id
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So so your mood, your mood, didn't elevate Like, maybe you hoped it would. | 4crq
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Yeah, I mean, I would have thought that I mean, I've been looking forward to this reading for a year and a half I, you know, I helped, you know, my now sister planet, and it just wasn't as fun as I wanted it to be. | 6cd
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Or as I thought it would be, you know, | 6cd
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and realizing, this is what brought in today. | 4crq
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Yeah, and like right afterwards, like last week. You know, it was I've more worst days than better days like I woke up early the next morning even though I had been up late at the wedding. And just sat there and thought about it and was really just upset by the whole thing upset that I couldn't be more happy. Or, you know, my brother and for me really not even for my brother just because I was happy for him. just didn't feel excited like everyone else. Everyone else around me was having such a good time and I was just | 6cd
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more down. | 3gc
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Yeah, like I was happier than I would be if I was sitting at home by myself, but I wasn't. I wasn't like everyone else. | 6cd
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All right, so you you mentioned that this is a go to one from high school. Yeah, sure. How long would that be? | 1irq
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Oh, I mean, I graduated in 2010. So eight years. | 0id
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So about eight years and even even feeling down has the sleeping problem for that one. | 4crq
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Yeah, I mean, I a little bit when I was in high school, I thought it was, you know, I was just a quirk or something about staying up late and like ours in high school, but it never Like I got better even when I you know started working out of school and stuff I mice sleep schedule never came to that normal eight hours a night like you're supposed to I don't know whatever it is, but it just never. Yeah. So sleeps always been an issue and I just like I said my brothers called me or for years just because | 6cd
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And the low energies been a problem for that long as well. | 5yq
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Yeah. | 7ack
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And you've been waking up earlier than you want. | 5yq
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Yeah. | 7ack
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How about you? Do you mentioned the depressed mood? You feel down? Is that worse than a particular time of the day? | 1irq
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Yeah, I mean, it's worse than that in the morning. Especially when I'm just like sitting there with my thoughts. When I can't get back to sleep. It will be That and then you know we time to get ready for the day and I'll be angry and mad that it's, you know the I can't sleep and then depressed about you know that I'm like this and I'm weird and then I mean as the day goes on I forget about it a little bit and it gets a little bit better in the afternoons and nighttime I really like you know, I enjoy spending time with my family for dinner and stuff like that. So it gets better as the day goes on. But, you know, in the morning it's it's bad because I just spent hours lying there thinking about it. | 0id
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It was the morning mornings the worst. | 5yq
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Yeah. | 7ack
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So I'm gonna ask you some other questions related to this. You mentioned depressed mood. And you mentioned how you reacted to the wedding. How it wasn't what you hoped. Have you lost in In other things that might be fun or pleasurable. | 1irq
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I haven't really lost an interest in anything like I still, you know, I still seek out fun activities, and I still participate in them. And I mean, they'll make me feel better than not doing them. But it's just, I don't know, it's just I don't. I guess my response to them isn't as high as I see other people enjoying activities, and I don't, but I do enjoy them | 0id
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as much Okay. | 3gc
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Any changes to your appetite or weight? | 1irq
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No one stays the same. | 0id
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No. | 9on
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Ever feel a sense of worthlessness? | 5yq
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