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Okay, are you okay with some space? | 5yq
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You don't seem real certain. | 10od
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So maybe this, this idea of space isn't really something you feel will work for you. | 4crq
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Do want to try to address Frank's concerns about the space? | 5yq
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You seem apprehensive about it. | 10od
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So maybe just experiment with it, try it for one night and see what happens. So, in the year and a half, you've been married, Is there ever been a night when you've gone out by yourself? | 5yq
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Yeah, it's been a couple, especially earlier on, which is nice, you know, just, you know, getting to see old friends and you know, our old college friends, like, of course, we attended, you know, events together and like seeing old friends and everything like that, but there's been, there's been a few times, you know, not, not more than I can count on both my hands, but there's been a few times where I've, you know, gone out and just had, like, you know, a guy's night or something. | 0id
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Okay, and what would happened, like in terms of like between you, so, | 1irq
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just getting out of the house is basically the hardest part. You know, just finding a way to ensure That, you know, it'll be okay. I'm going to be back home later on in the night that she doesn't need to worry about me, you know, if I have any trouble or anything pops up that I need her help, I'll let her know. And, you know, just knowing that I love her and telling her that I love her and making sure that she knows that I'll be back. But you know, sometimes it's hard because she just gets upset when I tell her that I'm leaving and she doesn't want me to go and she would rather me stay or even take her with me. And you know, I don't want to be the only guy that shows up with my wife. You know, everybody else left their wives at home also. So I don't want to be the odd man out | 0id
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all right, so this is really an experiment that's already been tried. | 4crq
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tried twice. Yeah, | 6cd
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yeah. Just Just a few times. Is there any reason to believe that if you try it next week, it'll be different? | 1irq
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That's not good. | 0id
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Don't you don't think so. | 11orq
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Well yeah. mean, we've been doing it, you know, the past couple months, but it seems like every time we do is you know the same result it's her getting worried about me and you know me trying to find a way to assure her that it's gonna be okay and you know that we're so married we're still in love, you know everything like that, but, you know, it's just, I really want my space and it seems like sometimes I just can't get out of her crib. | 10od
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Sir, what do you think about that? | 11orq
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All right. So in terms of the going out, although going out with your friends wouldn't have to be on the weekend that something could happen during the week. | 10od
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Yeah, absolutely. You know, a lot of my friends normally go out during the week because you know, they have their families and everything to take care of on the weekend. So, yeah, I could definitely go out tonight during the week. | 0id
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Okay, so you could agree. The both of you could agree to that as kind of terms of this behavioral experiment or weekends, you'll spend those weekends together. | 0id
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I think we could try that. | 7ack
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Because that was a concern you specifically brought up. How about Sarah, how about the times during the week? How do you feel about those? | 1irq
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You feel like you'd respond better to that? Would that be a better experience? | 5yq
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Something that you think that you could try next week. | 0id
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So, let's talk about when because you've gone out before and you said it was just getting out. Getting out the house that was the, the real challenge right? So walk me through. This really goes through both of you. What we through what happens when you're when you're getting ready to leave when you're planning to head out? | 1irq
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So you know, usually I'll go get dressed I'll let her know where I'm going you know, give her my cell phone number you know somebody else's phone number in case my phone is off. Just basically tell her what we're going to do you know whether we're going out to to a pole or you know, going to watch some sporting event or something like that. No, I would tell her what we're doing, you know, just so she knows and knows where she can find me. But then after that, it seems like as soon as I assure her of what we're doing, and when it's happening, when I'll be home, everything like that, it just seems like all the progress I made towards the front door kind of gets pulled back a little bit because like, she doesn't want me to leave, you know, I can see in her eyes that she's not very happy about me leaving her. And that kind of makes me feel guilty, you know, because I don't want to leave her alone. I want her to be more independent. I kind of want her to, you know, if I'm going out, I would like her to go out as well. You know, she says tons of friends. You know, we both have friends. We both have our social circles. And she's kind of it's frustrating when I can't go do my thing, because she's always got to be with me. | 0id
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So ultimately, after all that you you do go, but you feel feel guilty. And do you have a good time? | 5yq
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Most of the time, right? Do you know, sometimes I just can't get over the fact that you know, my wife at home who's upset at me, and that makes me upset. You know, it's just a matter of finding the balance between, you know, my independence and her, you know, doing her own thing because I would like her to do that as well. | 0id
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So sometimes you have a good time sometimes you don't. You're worried about Sarah being home. How about when you come home? | 5yq
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When I come home, usually things go back to normal. I mean, we've definitely had our exchange of words after a few times me coming back. But most of the time it goes back to normal, which you know, it's fine. We're very loving, affectionate couple. So that's awesome. But you know, most the time it's just overbearing. | 0id
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Is that how you see it Sarah, the way Frank described it? | 5yq
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so how about one is out? Like so after after he's left? What do you What are you thinking that? Like? | 11orq
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You're anxious something bad's gonna happen. | 0id
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Do you think that there's been any reason for that thinking, like, do you think there's any basis for thinking something bad's gonna happen? | 5yq
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Absolutely not. No, no, I love Sarah you know, the five years that we've worked together been great, you know, it's it's just where we are now as opposed to where we first were, and when we first got married, it's it's changed and you know, I would just like some independence just like to be on my own sometimes. And I guess I don't always relay that well to her and she doesn't understand why I want my space. I want to go hang out with my friends, but I've been trying to explain to her that, you know, it's, it's a two way street. It's not just all one way and so we have to work on these issues. And you know, that's why we came to you. | 9on
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Alright, so you're really frustrated by not being able to go out, go out. But you're anxious about when he goes out. So we talked about the possibility of like an experiment or you go out sounds like we might run to the same difficulties you experienced before. What can we change to increase the chances of that experiment working? | 1irq
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So, so if you called when he was at Piedmont The answer is that's something that's normally possible. | 0id
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Yeah. Yeah. Most of the time, I'm very good at responding to, you know, making sure that she knows I'm okay. Making sure that she's okay. | 0id
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So that's a compromise, you'd be willing to make. Absolutely something like that. | 5yq
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Yeah. | 8op
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You need any other reassurances from Frank, Sarah? | 1irq
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Do you have a plan to call Frank? Like when he's out? Or is it something that you would do if you just felt the need to or | 1irq
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Were you calling for some specific reason? | 1irq
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Why don't you start reinsurance? Everything's going right. Okay, so that seems reasonable to you. Right? I mean, I, I guess | 1irq
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but at the same time, like when I'm out doing my own thing, you know, I kind of want that privacy in that, you know, just being in the moment you know, because I know when I get back home, from back with you and I'm, nothing's changed because I've always been with you like we're still married. But when I'm out with my friends, and you know, I'm getting a couple phone calls during you know, the night over the course of the night and it's having to deal with my wife and having to make sure that she knows I'm okay and everything like that it it gets a little frustrating. It's a little, I mean, frustrating | 0id
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Would that be a good compromise? It was a text or two. I guess. That's better than a phone call, right? Yeah. So not ideal, but you can see how it might decrease your anxiety a bit. Right? And maybe work toward a little bit more freedom. So that's how I can experiment you both combined to try. | 5yq
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Okay, so we could try and try it out. | 0id
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Alright. So it's not a perfect plan. But it's one that you know, I would hope that we could be successful with if you could, though, you're going through it, maybe track what happens, right, from your own perspective, like what you were thinking, the fact left, what you were thinking when you left, how it went, how that separation kind of was conducted. And what happened. Same thing when, while you're out how many times you texted her If you called and then what happened when he got back? Right? That's just kind of, and you can you can keep a record of those things just independently. You know, you write it down Come your experience and you write down your experience. And we'll come back next time. No matter what happens with it, we'll compare and kind of see what see what happened and how we could make adjustments to to make it work even better. | 0id
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between here and there, obviously, if it were easy, you wouldn't need me, you wouldn't have 13 therapists. If this were easy you would have been to a life you wanted a long time ago. So it's obvious that it's easy it already be done. Because it sounds like you're a person with a lot of motivation works really hard, because there are very few people who wouldn't quit before 13 therapists. So that's a very good quality. The very fact that you've gone through all these therapists is a good sign for us. Nonetheless, it is difficult. between here and there, there's going to be hell. Exactly. Right. So I figure our number one priority has to be to get you to stay alive through house so that we can get to the life you want. If that's where we're at. Now. We got to have some sort of agreement, not by writing a contract. Because I'll fire you if you try to kill yourself that because we both sort of have to face the fact that to get there you got to go through there and to go through there you got to stay alive. | 0id
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Okay what you guarantee that you can get you can call me and I'll guarantee I'll get myself | 6cd
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What are you gonna do if I fail? | 1irq
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Beside break Mike. Okay. So if I don't help you, you'll kill yourself. Yeah, okay, but if I do help you Well | 0id
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Okay, how are you? | 2gt
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Good. Thanks for asking. I understand you've come here today to the agency because you had a recent arrest. | 2gt
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Yeah, I got a DUI for being under the influence of alcohol, marijuana, | 0id
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alcohol and marijuana. How recently was this DUI? About a week ago? Okay, so what's been going on when that happened? | 1irq
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Um, well, I am going to have to go to courtsoon. And I know that I'm probably gonna have to go I'd like treatment or something like that, but I really just don't want to. So I just, I'm just coming here becauseI don't know maybe I can like get out of it if I'm gettingsome type of treatment. But yeah, | 0id
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get out of it. You mean get out of the charge? | 4crq
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Yeah. I mean, I feel like they're probably gonna make me like go to like rehab or something like that. And I don't want to do that. | 6cd
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So you feel like you can get out of the rehab or two. | 11orq
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I don't know. I really am not sure. | 10od
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So at this recent arrest, you realize it may be a value to stop using which really don't want to Yeah, stuck there. | 5yq
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Yeah kind of | 8op
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when you drink Do you ever socialize the same time? | 5yq
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I mean sometimes I'll like go to bars and things like that but most of the times just like at my house | 0id
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alone so do the marijuana | 4crq
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yeah I mean I like a few people that are like smoke with but usually just kind of like by myself and myself every day so it was with people | 6cd
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so it doesn't sound like you're really worried about losing your social support if you stop using now early sweetie losing | 0id
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um this this alcohol and I want to take it for pain relief qualities Yeah. | 0id
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Any other reasons um | 5yq
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it's just easier | 0id
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forget about problems Yeah. So affects your mood in a positive way. | 0id
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Yeah like I get like I like the feeling once I'm drunk | 7ack
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Have you use since you had to do it? | 5yq
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Um, I haven't drank but I've as a situation. | 0id
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So you have the use it takes away pain for you to take swings xiety feels good. But then you have these consequences of the law. And you figure those two things out. | 0id
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I don't know. I don't know if there is what was your wealth of knowledge. So like not as just | 0id
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You can imagine that. So it was a good the other side. Can you imagine having further it says law enforcement like more charges in the future. | 5yq
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I guess I hadn't really considered that. | 9on
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So you could kind of picture an outcome where you beat these charges or there's not a really heavy consequence. And you'll be more careful in the future. | 5yq
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I don't know. Yeah, I guess so. | 9on
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So with that thinking, you continue to use as you were, that you would take out the part that got you in trouble. | 0id
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Yeah. | 7ack
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First you have to get out of trouble this time. | 0id
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Yep. | 7ack
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So if you could have the pain and anxiety go away without the alcohol marijuana, would you continue to use it? | 5yq
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I just couldn't imagine | 0id
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So there's a social component here. | 0id
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Yeah, a little bit. I drink mainly by myself just because all my friends work like nine five jobs. They don't drink every day. But I do. But like on the weekends, like all of my friends who I | 7ack
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So even if you had no anxiety, no pain You'd have to give up at least those interactions with your friends. How would they respond if you went out with them? I didn't drink. | 1irq
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Um, they probably just like wouldn't understand it, because we all go out and we get like really drunk and | 0id
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So it'd be socially awkward. straining the relationships with your friends. So the quitting alcohol and marijuana like stopping use that doesn't seem like a good route for you | 0id
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know. | 3gc
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But then you have this distressing situation which is making you second guessed some of it. | 0id
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Yeah, I mean, it's making me think that like, maybe I, I need to, like make a change. I just can't see that. That's the change I'm making. So | 7ack
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you need to make some change. Yeah, but not the alcohol. Drugs. | 0id
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Yeah, yeah. | 7ack
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Something else could change. | 0id
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Yeah, I don't know what but | 9on
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So you could reduce your usage, avoid driving and that might that might get you to your goal. Would that be enough usage to stop the anxiety of the pain? | 1irq
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Am I just not going anywhere ever? I might not drive as often | 0id
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