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Tesla Daily Discussion - September 13 2018 | Use this daily thread for questions and answers general daily topic discussion and sharing your experiences (sightings orders deliveries custom vehicles vanity plates and now memes). Use this format to [share your order status](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 93xpx4 tesla_daily_discussion_august_02_2018 e3grqk5 ). Find our [Latest Daily Discussions](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?q=author%3AAutoModerator+title%3A%22Discussion%22& restrict_sr=on& include_over_18=on& sort=new& t=all). Share your [Ideas and Feedback](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?q=author%3AAutoModerator+title%3A%22Idea%2FFeedback+Megathread%22& restrict_sr=on& include_over_18=on& sort=new& t=all). See the most recent OTA Software Megathreads [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates). If you re looking for even more updates check out [active podcasts](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki podcasts). And finally remember to be friendly [genuine](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8rc3jg be_genuine ) and welcoming. Please ping the mods with feedback and remember to report comments and posts that violate rules. | 2018-09-13 09:12:20 | 16 | Order Date: Aug 22nd Delivery Date: Sept 17th (from Sept 28th) | 2018-09-13 12:38:17 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 18,873 |
Elon just proved me wrong... | I said contain your enthusiasm $35k doesn t leave much money for features if you re committed to a 200+ mile powertrain. Then Elon bitch slapped me with: * 0-60 < 6 sec. on base model * autopilot safety on all Model 3s (software will be extra $) * supercharging on all Model 3s * glass panorama roof on all Model 3s * *giant* touchscreen panel I really wasn t expecting much more than a Corolla on the Tesla skateboard. Well played Elon well played... | 2016-04-01 04:06:07 | 28 | Glad someone else understood that the included Autopilot safety features doesn t mean Autopilot is included. | 2016-04-01 04:12:23 | 25 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 5,948 |
Test Drive Question | I obviously would love to own a Tesla and have every intention of purchasing one someday. That being said I have no immediate plans to buy as it s still a little out of my price range. My question is would I be out of line to still travel to the closest showroom for a test drive even though I have no intention of leaving with one ordered? Is it uncommon to go test drive just to get behind the wheel? | 2014-07-14 20:30:56 | 5 | Be careful it might ruin you for other cars. | 2014-07-14 21:41:20 | 10 | Tesla test drive experiences | 20,522 |
TeslaCam in snow. Autopilot disconnects autopark works. | Fall snow! Not a lot happens in these but the conditions are interesting especially for October 14. Here are the conditions when autopilot suddenly disconnected with warning that radar wasn t working sufficiently. Was actually a bit startling as the alarm sounded at a time when all seemed fine. No audio so you don t hear the alarm. Second video is a drive down Minnehaha Parkway with some fall colors and a silky smooth autopark finish. One other thought: Had to switch to manual wipers as the autowipers just didn t keep up and visibility was awful. Was hoping this would be better in V9. & #x200B [https: youtu.be -jgmkRCKmEA](https: youtu.be -jgmkRCKmEA) [https: youtu.be 0OneNYBeN-A](https: youtu.be 0OneNYBeN-A) | 2018-10-14 15:22:58 | 21 | Disappointing that radar wasn t available in snow that light. Isn t that always everybody s argument against Lidar? Cam looks good though for the conditions 👍🏻 | 2018-10-14 16:04:11 | 10 | Tesla Model 3 Wiper Concerns | 20,471 |
Electric vechile impact on total demand for oil? | Has any calculations been done for this? | 2016-09-24 15:28:55 | 6 | This is probably what you want to read: http: www.bloomberg.com features 2016-ev-oil-crisis | 2016-09-24 16:42:56 | 9 | Future of Electric Cars | 5,885 |
Any model X owners attach a front license plate? | If so any pictures of it? Have left mine off but wondered how it looked with it on as I am guessing I will have to pay a fine for it eventually | 2017-04-26 00:55:12 | 7 | I don t mind mine at all.http: i.imgur.com NazGP48.jpg | 2017-04-26 01:22:08 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 1,697 |
[Discussion] Yellow tint on screen border | I have a late 2016 Model S and I ve had the screen replaced once due to a yellow tint appearing around the edges maybe 3-4mm wide. Has anyone else had this issue and especially had it recur? I don t want to be that guy with the ruler measuring panel gaps about it but it s pretty obvious and it s frustrating that it s come back. To reach the character limit I m also going to also ask if anyone else has had significant issues with the inside of the rear tires wearing way faster. I wound up wearing well into the belts in less than 30k miles. | 2018-10-05 19:00:26 | 6 | Do you have cabin overheat protection? Someone told me that it could be caused by the screen getting too hot. | 2018-10-05 19:07:47 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 24,979 |
ELI5 Why do teslas use 400v instead of 800V like the Porsche EVs | Using 800V instead of 400V seems to make everything twice more powerful with the same wire size charging can be 2x faster. Or altenatively everything can be thinner for the same power output power wires within the car can be 2x thinner SC charging cables could be thinner etc... Why did Tesla settle for 400V and why is there not talk about upcoming models moving to 800V? It would seem that the upgrade seems as simple as doubling halving coils somewhere in the AC DC converter. It s probably more complicated than that ELI5 ? | 2021-08-16 05:37:46 | 144 | People are unfortunately science illiterate on this subject and they always revert to Bigger number equals better . There is more nuance to it than that. The only real advantage for using higher voltage is that the wiring that this voltage travels over can be thinner for the same amount of power due to lower current values. Thats pretty much it. And the negatives are that now you have 800V on your nodes which comes with its own set of technical problems. It doesn t have much to do with charging unless you have absolutely monstrous sized batteries. Do you know what limits the charging speed of a battery..... the cell. Each cell can range somewhere in the vicinity between 3.0V and 4.2V between empty and full (chemistry dependent). Even if you have a trilliion volt charger in the end you are charging thousands of cells up to around 4 volts. And each one of those cells on average charge at 1C which is why almost every EV no matter who builds it cannot beat the 1 hour 0% to 100% charge. Isn t dat veird? Buuuut briefly when the batteries are very low and not too hot and not too cold you can burst charge them at much higher C rates and it just so happens that going from like 10% to 80% is short enough to not be annoying for the traveler but gets you enough energy to drive until you need another bathroom break. So manufacturers are advertising and optimizing in that range. And nobody is really blowing anyone else out the water at the high end. They are all within a few minutes of each other. There won t be any significant gains in the 10% to 80% or 0% to 100% until there are some fundamental chemistry and form factor design changes. The 4680 cell has the possibility of making a significant advance in this area and its because the entire edge of the internal copper plate will be thermally coupled with the top of the cell. This allows heat to be wicked from the cell interior MUCH more effectively. Whats odd though is that I ve heard that they are still radially cooling the cells with the 4680 s which makes no sense because with them being thicker heat will be a BIGGER problem now. I thought I heard that in Elon s interview with Sandy Munroe but I can t recall so don t quote me. But even cooling radially resistive heat while charging should be reduced since the electron path is now much shorter with the tabless design. | 2021-08-16 17:36:20 | 179 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 5,751 |
Tesla snake charger 2017 debut? | Elon said they will do a cross country self driving trip in late 2017 which includes self-charging. Does that confirm that charging stations will get the snake this year? http: imgur.com gallery mDUihfX I don t see how else the trip would be possible. | 2017-06-06 18:16:54 | 5 | You can drive a trip where the human didn t need to touch the steering controls or pedals and still have a person charge the car. They couldn t do an empty car send if they wanted to. | 2017-06-06 19:54:02 | 9 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 20,327 |
How does Tesla wake up the car | Hey I was just wondering how Tesla is able to wake the car up when i am opening the App? The obvious answer to me would be using the Cellular connection the Car has. But sometimes when i get in my Model 3 while it was Sleeping it takes a second to connect to the Mobile Network which leads me to believe that it disconnects from the Mobile Network while sleeping. So how does it tell the Car to wake up when i am neither in range of Bluetooth nor is the car connected to WiFi Cellular? | 2021-05-30 10:08:27 | 105 | If you turn off mobile data on your phone it is like going back 20 years when phones could easily last up to a week on a single charge. Essentially all stuff in the car is off apart from the sim and a bit of circuitry around it. It isn t doing mobile data. It has enough powered up to receive a wake up sms and that is it. Once it gets the sms then it powers up everything else and connects to mobile data. | 2021-05-30 11:58:35 | 82 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 8,220 |
Looking for Company Info History for my thesis | Hey guys Im a german student currently thinking about writing my thesis about a Tesla-related topic. I m just starting to gather input and sources about the history of the company and background info as well as detailed info about the process of building the company with all its obstacles. I dont want anyone to do any work for me I just thought maybe someone here read an interesting book paper or even published something himself which could be helpful for gathering more information about the company itself or simply could be used as a source in a scientific text. I am very happy about any help in that matter! | 2020-08-06 06:07:38 | 9 | Guten Tag! Tesla s master plan is a great reference he literally lays out how he s going to build Tesla step by step. (which is why it s funny that other automakers are so slow to respond). Part 1 - 2006: [https: www.tesla.com blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me](https: www.tesla.com blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me) Part 2 - 2016 - [https: www.tesla.com blog master-plan-part-deux](https: www.tesla.com blog master-plan-part-deux) Good luck with your research and paper! | 2020-08-06 11:59:11 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 11,011 |
Was traveling this weekend and a interesting thought occurred to me about how Tesla can increase its visibility. | While traveling this weekend I happened to be stuck in the San Francisco Airport for a day and an odd thought occurred to me. Why in gods name isnt there a Tesla Showroom among the airport shops?? I mean really is there a better location for a showroom? 1. You have massive foot traffic *and* its almost a captive audience. 2. You get simultaneous exposure to customers from every corner of the country and indeed simultaneous exposure to a huge number of potential international customers. 3. A significant portion of travelers walk around for a few minutes waiting for their flight looking at art shops and getting food. Can anyone think of a downside to this? Granted I know with all the Model 3 craziness that Tesla has zero need for more recognition but im talking more about the principle of it. | 2016-04-03 01:49:07 | 8 | Airport space is very expensive - captive audience that allows the shops to gouge people and the airport wants to share in that. That is why the duty free shops are not that much cheaper - with zero duty they would be much cheaper. That said Tesla might like to have such a feature shop next to the first class lounges... Does Mercedes or BMW have any such stores? | 2016-04-03 01:57:45 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 22,266 |
Anyone know Youtube channels that show off new features? | I m far off from getting a Tesla but I love seeing the features in motion. I would love to see a youtube channel that shows off some of the features and any new ones that come along. Thanks! | 2016-10-01 15:32:44 | 11 | Heard of Bjørn Nyland? He does the most comprehensive Tesla product coverage I ve seen. I also follow a channel called Like Tesla for a sort of day-to-day vlog of life with a Tesla. Bjørn also does live streams from his Tesla on another channel. MKBHD recently got a Tesla Model S. It s currently in the shop due to S steering issue. But he said he ll be making a Playlist covering different features. | 2016-10-01 16:46:13 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 1,989 |
Lane departure avoidance no longer working? | I had a quick flash of a warning a few weeks ago that the lane departure avoidance was having issues and to contact Tesla. This warning quickly disappeared. I noticed the steering wheel no longer shakes if I near the center line. Has anyone else had this issue? Scheduled service to check this out just want to rule out any hardware issues. Car is very clean sensors cameras should be fine from that POV. This is with 2019.20.4.4. | 2019-07-21 03:52:08 | 10 | It definitely is less aggressive with steering assist and also it now does small subtle steering away from a lane without a message on the screen and without an alert sound. | 2019-07-21 04:58:40 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 10,700 |
Tesla Presentation to a Grade 10 Class | Today I had to give a presentation on a news event that interested me. So I chose Tesla Motors because it is a company that has been in the news a lot recently with the P85D and the Gigafactory. I actually managed to track down an owner of a Model S and suggest that he bring it to my school to show my class. He happily accepted. The presentation went well and he did an amazing job of explaining the features of the car but the best part was when my classmates pulled out their phones and started taking pictures. They we re absolutely amazed to see the majestic beast for themselves even though it might have only been because it had a frunk or the handles go inside the car but it really made me glad to see my generation interested in Tesla and electric cars. They asked tons of questions and they even said it would be worth the buy considering its high price. I thought I would just share this with you because it made my month. | 2014-11-12 03:58:56 | 18 | Well done OP. | 2014-11-12 10:52:48 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 19,364 |
Installing a new circuit just for a charger? | How much might it cost if possible to install something like this? Would it be worth it? Would there be other problems? Edit: Thanks for the info! I don t own an EV but hope to own a Model S someday and wondered this. I had no idea where to start this has been a great help! | 2015-10-11 14:06:56 | 7 | We re building a new house and have [three meters](http: i.imgur.com v0x4EjC.jpg) installed: house geothermal and EV charging. We have it this way because right now our power company offers subsidized rates for geothermal and EV charging so the meters need to be separate. I couldn t tell you how much it is to do but I don t think it s too much more. Power is brought in from the ground transformer over two lines one for the house and one for geo EV. Geo and EV is split at the meters. Retrofitting might cost more than new construction depending on how you re getting power to the house. Contact your local power company to see if you have any incentives. | 2015-10-11 16:49:04 | 3 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 9,725 |
Automobile mags ignoring Tesla | I read a lot of Automotive magazines and related web portals. It seems they ignore Tesla like they don t exist. The only time they post about Tesla is when there s actual announcements. Model 3 S X completely ignored by mags when it comes to handing out awards or annual list of best cars in each segment. Take Car & Driver Mag they re currently running a 10 Best cars for 2020 and no mention of any Tesla. For the entry price of $35k the Model 3 should win accolades here but there aren t any automotive mags giving them any awards in the US while in Europe Tesla has won a few accolades. It probably confirms to me that the automobile mags are driven by advertisement revenue and Tesla doesn t spend any money advertising their cars. While every car company spends millions each year on advertisement. | 2019-11-22 01:21:18 | 59 | Unfortunately there is a business reality that magazines must work with. They have staffs and bills to pay too. Have you noticed recent trends where certain websites require adblockers to be turned off. Websites even with basic staffs also need some revenue source. 🕊️ | 2019-11-22 01:29:08 | 44 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 2,439 |
OK OK... I ve given it months to get used to | And I still really dislike the press to get controls feature. Before they added this feature I thought it sure would be nice to have another inch of map at the top exactly ZERO times. Now daily I say is my map refreshing? Do I have cell service? I don t know -- let s bring the screen up or what s the date today -- let s bring the screen up... Etc. | 2017-02-09 07:12:34 | 117 | I agree. I absolutely love everything else with the UI in the car but this one extra tap never feels natural. At least they should make it optional. | 2017-02-09 08:40:17 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 14,223 |
Test drive without intention to buy | I m still a university student at the age of 22 so it will be a while before I will be able to afford a Tesla. Some years ago I was lucky to win an improvised contest for a ride in a Tesla Roadster and as the owner told me to hop in the driver s seat I begrudgingly had to admit that I still had a year to go before I could take my license. I loved every bit of the ride but I wish I could say I had driven a Roadster. Unfortunately that s been my only opportunity for a Tesla ride since then so I haven t even tried the S or the X. I would love to though so I ve been contemplating visiting a store to go for a test drive. I m located in Denmark and have a 4-5 hour drive to the Tesla shop in Copenhagen. I would love to go there and try the model S but I m not sure if test drives are for people who are not considering a purchase right now? And did you generally find it more satisfying to wait trying the Tesla until you got it? I m definitely buying a Tesla someday (possibly far away but definitely someday) and I m worried I will ruin the experience if I ve test driven one before? Thank you and sorry if this is a common question. I m trying to build up the courage to waste the salesmen s time. | 2019-02-09 20:15:43 | 9 | Call them and say you aren t looking to buy for a couple years but would like to take a test drive. They ll say Sure come on in! | 2019-02-09 20:19:14 | 45 | Tesla test drive experiences | 20,540 |
Can I see where my Tesla has traveled? | Dropped off my car Thursday to have the front windshield replaced and they called Friday to tell me my car was ready. I went after I got off work dropped the loaner key in the box at the service center and look for my car. Well I looked all over for my car and it was nowhere to be found but luckily one employee was still hanging around. He said it seems like they forgot to move your car from the shop and he then fished out the loaner keys so I could get back home. Well this morning while driving car back I noticed two things that alarmed me. The first thing was battery percentage. I dropped of the car Thursday with 80% and when I picked it up it had 65%. The second thing I noticed was miles driven since last charge well the service center 3 miles from my house.....and the car had been driven 24 miles. | 2019-07-20 17:45:06 | 16 | Also know that after they replace the windshield the front camera cluster has to be calibrated. This may require them driving the car. Not sure it requires 24 miles of driving but I am sure it required some. | 2019-07-20 17:52:07 | 19 | Tesla Service Experience Feedback | 3,379 |
Replacement parts | So we know the MY console refresh is coming stateside eventually (whether they re using up current inventory or waiting on producing enough new parts here to change production). I was wondering how is Tesla s reliably on keeping OEM parts available for purchase years later for older designs? For example if I need a new hinge drawer for the current gen console in a couple years do they typically make keep parts for years down the line like other auto makers? I ve been curious on this given their tendency to buck normal automotive trends. | 2021-01-08 17:00:14 | 7 | I don t have a reference but aren t OEM s required by law to produce replacement parts for a certain number of years? | 2021-01-08 17:20:43 | 3 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 16,454 |
Model 3 Delivery set for 12 26. Current owner CA day 1 store reservation | Good news arrived today. I ll be taking delivery next Tuesday. It looks like they are close to their 4 week estimate. Order placed on the 22nd of November | 2017-12-20 18:47:10 | 104 | Especially considering the holidays that s pretty impressive | 2017-12-20 18:49:21 | 20 | Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences | 11,697 |
Question about making down payment | Sorry if this has come up before but I ordered a Model 3 on Saturday and we have a delivery scheduled for Wednesday. Today (Monday) I got approval on my loan and accepted it online. It currently says that they re generating a contract then I can transfer my down payment when that s ready (hopefully tomorrow). What are my options for transfer? The earliest I will be able to do it is tomorrow and doesn t ACH take two days minimum? I can t get a bank check because my bank is online-only. Will I have the option to do a wire transfer? I m pretty sure those are instantaneous. I assume they don t take personal checks but nobody ever explained to me how any of this works. | 2019-04-16 02:03:55 | 8 | They ll take a personal check. They ll take an ACH payment initiated from their site. Wire transfers also work. Very easy to work with. | 2019-04-16 02:08:19 | 7 | Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences | 15,800 |
Clarification on Auto-dimming Mirrors | So Service has recently contacted me regarding some calibration issue for the front Autopilot cameras. Either way I asked them - while we are at it - whether they could have a look at the auto-dimming mirrors because they get super dark at night and they get barely usable at all to the point where that is somewhat dangerous. I have previously looked at this topic online and some people speculated that it worked with the time of the day some said it worked when it detected bright lights from behind etc. Today I get a definitive answer since they have sent me this which for sure not actual code it does seem somewhat technical (translated from Spanish): The Model3 will dim the mirrors to half their brightness when the following are present: \* The sun is down(UI\_solarElevationAngle < -5 degrees calculated using GPS and time of day) \* The headlights are on (DAS\_headlightRequest = DAS\_HEADLIGHT\_REQUEST\_ON or DAS\_HEADLIGHT\_REQUEST\_INVALID) \* Whether it is in gear (DI\_gear) is D o N I think it d be great if this were customisable in the user Settings or something since there are some people who find this feature useful (although I have seen a decent number of complaints online). | 2020-10-29 17:22:51 | 70 | Lol this is just like how Tesla refuses to use a rain sensor for detecting rain. Auto dimming mirrors aren t supposed to be dark just because the sun is going down. It s supposed to detect when the lights from behind you are much brighter than the lights in front of you and dim as needed. Until you get those light sensors the dimming is going to be dumb . Maybe they can use the front and rear cameras but I have a feeling there s something blocking this obvious improvement. | 2020-10-29 17:30:25 | 96 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 3,934 |
What issues have you had with your 2016 Model X? | EDIT: 2017* Made A Typo We ve had a lot of issues with our Model X. This culminated into a big issue every other day (Literally all safety and helpful systems would turn off and the breaks would have issues where they wouldn t break properly and would start jolting you around whenever you used the breaks). We got that issue fixed a few weeks ago but now we have a perpetual message that says. Air Conditioning Reduced. DC Fast Charging Supercharging rate may be reduced. Have any of you had this issue? Have you fixed it? Are we just unlucky? I feel like I would have a lot easier time convincing my family to lease out a FSD Model X when our lease ends this year or next year. | 2019-07-26 14:29:09 | 9 | Breaks = = brakes. No soup for you. -Grammar Enforcement Agency Pet Peeve Division. | 2019-07-26 15:51:30 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 22,816 |
Anyone still want to buy the ugly ass Bolt? | Or did anyone want to in the first place? That thing is beyond fugly. | 2016-04-02 01:10:18 | 14 | As a Volt driver I think GM is doing a lot of things right with the Bolt. I hope it does well just to help push the EV market forward. That said I d order the model 3 over the Bolt any day. Like I did yesterday. | 2016-04-02 01:21:39 | 37 | Revolutionary Tesla Cybertruck | 2,039 |
Auto Chain: A free project I made for Tesla Motors | Hello Reddit I am a huge fan of Tesla Motors and SpaceX and have joked since autonomous driving was introduced that some clever Engineers should incorporate computational fluid dynamics into the autopilot code. After doing the math I found that at a hypothetical 2 feet away a sedan such as a Model S would reduce it s air resistance (largest range killer) by 90%! This subsequently adds 40% to the range. I got together some fellow Engineers and Designers. We patched together the framework - and what the code will look like how it will function. It will essentially combine both the Semi Truck and the Tesla vehicles behind it (autopilot capable) to create ONE vehicle... that just happens to have a lot of brakes. The Tesla drivers will be able to access the Semi Truck s forward facing camera to ease anxiety of sight. The Semi Truck would simply need an effective cover over the rear wheels to prevent rock chips. This means that when the semi truck brakes the vehicles that have auto-chained to it brake immediately as well. Ultimately we hope this serves as some help to the Tesla Team and possibly could be looked in to incorporating as a feature for long road trips. All work completed thus far is offered FREE of charge to Tesla. This is not an attempt to sell license or anything else the code or work completed. Feel free to share this with anyone you know from Tesla or a fellow enthusiast! This week we hope to submit this to TechCrunch Wevolver Wired Popular Mechanics and any other sources we can think of to get the word out there. Thank you all for your time and for even reading this! I hope you enjoy the quick 30 second video attached. **A BIG THANK YOU: To Dystinct Media for the graphic demonstration! *My background: I m a Forbes 30 under 30 in Manufacturing and Industry. I work as a Robotics Programmer & Engineer in Aerospace. In my free time I am the founder of AESS - Advanced Engineering Software Solutions: a community built to bring opportunities in Aerospace & Automotive to those who may have not been able to pursue it otherwise. (I.e. Free education community training resources) [You can see a graphic demonstration.... Here!](https: m.youtube.com watch?v=at4M8aemC_E) | 2017-06-30 03:05:07 | 84 | Did you get this idea by getting drunk and watching Days of Thunder? | 2017-06-30 03:46:08 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 2,360 |
Observations from use of new Sign Signal stopping feature (FSD only) | * Software 2020.12.11.1 (mostly also had a prior version). 2018 Model 3 LR RWD. * Generally this functionality is (intentionally) of limited use and can be quite dangerous in traffic as the software seems extremely conservative applying brakes in many cases especially in complex intersections. It s really important to pay attention to the display so you can cancel its frequent decisions to stop at green lights. This is all as expected with new functionality. * I think Tesla should differentiate between Beta and software that is just being introduced and trained. This new functionality is clearly in the latter case which is fine but far far less evolved than NoA is today for example. * Limit on speed to posted speed on non-highways (versus up to 5mph over posted speed before) makes auto-steer useless at least here in Massachusetts -- haha. I have instead just used TACC for testing which allows user-selected set speed. * Detection is amazing. There are cases where I cannot see a light or sign but the car seems to know -- I assumed this was all vision but maybe it uses nav info too? * Detection sometimes sees and stops for controls that are not there or don t apply. Cases I have seen include: * Stop signs on adjacent road e.g. coming in at an angle * Stop signs on adjacent road e.g. current road turning but new road is straight ahead * Pedestrian crosswalks esp. when there are lights on the pedestrian signs * Repeatable failure case (this was reported by Matt at Dirty Tesla) -- two stop signs one after the other e.g. first for access road second for main road. Car will run through second sign in most cases. * Another repeatable failure case: Flashing yellow (e.g. fire station) really confuses the car because it treats it like a regular signal turning from green to red so even after you clear it with the right stalk it decides to stop again at the next flash. This is odd since another use-case for flashing yellow is a standard intersection (where one side may be flashing red the other flashing yellow). * Flashing red at intersection -- I don t *think* this is recognized currently. * At stop sign use of accelerator to go is dangerous -- in most cases car stops at or behind stop line but before actually going you need to creep towards the actual intersection to see if it s safe. I am not sure how this gets resolved but it s dangerous in its current implementation. * Not sure what expected behavior and current implementation is for yield signs * Maybe relevant only for the current early-beta state we re in now but several times my attempt to use the right stalk to confirm a green light results in putting car into auto-steer (two taps). * It might be nice if there were a chime when the car is going to stop. For now when all green lights need to be confirmed it s especially important perhaps. EDIT: Sorry this is somewhat redundant with [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments gdlxhp 2020126\_observations\_202012111\_installing ?utm\_source=share& utm\_medium=web2x](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments gdlxhp 2020126_observations_202012111_installing ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x) | 2020-05-10 21:47:36 | 18 | > Generally this functionality is (intentionally) of limited use and can be quite dangerous in traffic as the software seems extremely conservative applying brakes in many cases especially in complex intersections. It s really important to pay attention to the display so you can cancel its frequent decisions to stop at green lights. This is all as expected with new functionality. Interesting! How complex of an intersection are we talking? I have not yet run into a situation where I would describe it as dangerous. > I think Tesla should differentiate between Beta and software that is just being introduced and trained. This new functionality is clearly in the latter case which is fine but far far less evolved than NoA is today for example. Beta is a fine label for such software. They even go so far as to make you enroll in Advanced software update preferences display a bunch of warnings then AGAIN display more warnings when the feature is enabled. > Limit on speed to posted speed on non-highways (versus up to 5mph over posted speed before) makes auto-steer useless at least here in Massachusetts -- haha. I have instead just used TACC for testing which allows user-selected set speed. Autosteer anywhere that wasn t an interstate or divided highway was useless before this even with +5mph over. It is still fantastic on divided highways as those usually have plenty of traffic controls which is where the feature really shines for me. I also enjoy using it in residential neighborhoods where I don t speed anyway. > Detection sometimes sees and stops for controls that are not there or don t apply. Cases I have seen include: Yep > Another repeatable failure case: Flashing yellow (e.g. fire station) really confuses the car because it treats it like a regular signal turning from green to red so even after you clear it with the right stalk it decides to stop again at the next flash. This is odd since another use-case for flashing yellow is a standard intersection (where one side may be flashing red the other flashing yellow). Just put your foot on the accelerator to cruise through those. > Flashing red at intersection -- I don t think this is recognized currently. In my area these are all accompanied by stop signs so I haven t had a chance to try this one. > At stop sign use of accelerator to go is dangerous -- in most cases car stops at or behind stop line but before actually going you need to creep towards the actual intersection to see if it s safe. I am not sure how this gets resolved but it s dangerous in its current implementation. I am not sure I understand the scenario you are describing. Car comes to a stop you tell it to go. If it s a blind stop you have to take over. What am I missing here? > Maybe relevant only for the current early-beta state we re in now but several times my attempt to use the right stalk to confirm a green light results in putting car into auto-steer (two taps). I have had this happen a couple of times usually it s been resolved by waiting a half second longer to acknowledge the light. > It might be nice if there were a chime when the car is going to stop. For now when all green lights need to be confirmed it s especially important perhaps. No no need for chimes because we re always paying extra close attention using this brand new beta feature. Chimes will make people complacent. This feature warns us to pay extra close attention and we should. | 2020-05-10 22:16:08 | 5 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 14,237 |
Does the new facelift Model S comes with a heat pump? | I went through most of the info available about the 21 refresh S but couldn t really find anything about improvements to climate control other than cooled seats. I mean it would make sense since right now even the 3s are upgraded to come with a heat pump which would definitely be an improvement in semi-cold regions | 2021-04-04 21:16:24 | 143 | End of year earnings call. Elon said whole lineup will have heat pump | 2021-04-04 21:32:27 | 185 | Tesla Climate Control Issues | 5,567 |
Anyone have photos of white leather wear and tear in a Model S? | At the international auto show a couple weeks ago I noticed a few cars with white leather interiors. They looked great but I noticed a substantial wear on the driver seat (where people had been getting in and out of this showcase model over and over). Personally I think the white interior of the Model 3 looks the best but I m worried about the wear. Does anyone have stories or photos of 2+ years of wear on their white leather seats. With dogs kids using the back seats. Anything would help. I currently have a black leather interior on my car and my dog stays in the back seat with 3 layers of blankets quilts towels to protect the leather. It still looks great when I remove all the dog blankets but again worried about how noticeable things will be against white compared to black. | 2017-04-11 18:21:31 | 7 | Leather s biggest problem is that it s not elastic. It does not stretch and come back very well. So over time it gets stretched loose and can develop stretch marks or creases. The material in the white seats from Tesla is **not** leather. It has a great hand feel but should actually be more durable than natural hide if it s not perforated. I suspect durability is why we lost the vented seats. | 2017-04-11 21:25:26 | 7 | Model 3 Seat Impressions | 1,964 |
Detailed concept of the Semi for $150k with a swappable 2MWh battery | There is a technical and economic analysis over at seekinalpha.com about the Tesla semi truck (reveal Sept 28th): https: seekingalpha.com article 4085696-will-tesla-disrupt-long-haul-trucking#alt2 & nbsp I know many of you guys dislike that site me too (sometimes) but this article is really worth a read. & nbsp There is quite some technical depth on how to best integrate the model 3 motors into the axles so that the whole center frame can house the swappable 1 or 2 MWh battery. The range will be up to 1000 miles. The batteries get swapped at special truck hubs near major long haul freeways. Thus it s easy to scale this up. The swappable batteries are handy because they can be charged at night when power is cheap. If they would go with quick charging serious connections and improvements to the grid might be required. This could be reduced with powerpacks as buffer but I still think that swapping is the way to go. & nbsp The best part is this Semi will be cheap only about $150k. The batteries will be rented and there will be swap fee. This model could be 15 cents mile cheaper than running diesel trucks (currently at 80 to 90 cents mile). & nbsp I really recommend reading this it s worth it and will be interesting to compare Teslas strategy to this in September (if they tell us then...). | 2017-07-05 15:56:28 | 83 | Swappable battery hubs will be much easier to roll out than the current superchargers. Tesla semi will be long range so more distance between hubs. Much less Tesla semi s on the road than passenger vehicles so less demand. Swaps will probably be done very quickly so trucks should be in and out as fast as a normal diesel fill up takes. Also Tesla semi will only be 15 cents cheaper per mile? I was hoping for more | 2017-07-05 16:26:02 | 21 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 5,015 |
Just picked up White AWD M3! Very happy so far a couple of issues | Hi all! My wife and I just got our AWD M3! We re super excited — this is our first car together. In anticipation I ve been following all of the posts on here closely. So far it has surpassed expectations for us. Drives like a dream and we love the minimalist design of the interior. A couple of things (hopefully minor) that I d like to get the community s perspective: 1. When we were inspecting it at the Tesla site we noticed some sag in the rubber back door sealers. Pointed it out to the agent and he had a specialist come out to take a look. The second guy explained that this is expected and all doors have that sag because of how it is designed and cut. It looks a bit strange and almost seems more like a flaw to me. Does anyone else with the M3 have this? Back left door: [https: i.imgur.com zoK4GQY.jpg](https: i.imgur.com zoK4GQY.jpg) Back right door: [https: i.imgur.com zoIzvC2.jpg](https: i.imgur.com zoIzvC2.jpg) We ended up being okay with this but still feel a bit strange about it. Thankfully we never sit in the back so never have to see them... 😂 2) I read about the White M3 bumpers having paint that didn t quite match the rest of the body. Our paint issue is different. We found a round spot that is discolored on the back right panel. It s about 2.5 inches in diameter. [https: i.imgur.com ORPcSbc.jpg](https: i.imgur.com ORPcSbc.jpg) [https: i.imgur.com rmXZH2c.jpg](https: i.imgur.com rmXZH2c.jpg) Didn t notice this one until we brought the car home. It s slight enough that if you weren t looking for it you wouldn t notice. However once you know it s there you can t not see it every time you pass. Tried washing it but it s not a stain. We reached out to a dealer and have an appointment to take it in soon so hopefully they can buff it out or something. Thoughts? Anyone have context on either of the issues? Thanks all! ***\[UPDATE on 2018-08-20\]*** Took my M3 into the shop and they fixed it in just a few minutes. Apparently they sand down the paint at the very end and they just missed a spot on mine. It looks great now and I m glad it was a super easy fix. Regarding the sag they said they would fix that too through their mobile team. I will just need to reach out to that team and they will actually come by and fix it. New service? Don t mind not having go back to the shop. | 2018-08-04 19:07:32 | 44 | Uhhh yeah they fixed that sag for me with double sided tape so yeah | 2018-08-04 19:23:18 | 20 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 10,507 |
Registration in Norway Q3 | & #x200B [Screenshot from: https:\ \ teslastats.no\ stats.php](https: preview.redd.it fw5zc5wsnho31.jpg?width=2398& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=e60199cae8d3a64426d647ce7ff1c68ccfe8bbca) Tesla now has more Model 3 s in Norway than Model X and delivered just shy of 13 000 of those since February thats 7 months!! Model 3 overtakes Model X as Norways 6th most sold EV: [https: twitter.com nasalahe status 1176123178231508993?s=20](https: twitter.com nasalahe status 1176123178231508993?s=20) Q1 and Q2 was very good because of the release of Model 3. Q1 was best quarter ever and Q2 was only 1400 cars behind Q1. Q3 is third best quarter ever so even though it is not Q1 or Q2 it does has some pretty good numbers. The Model X and Model S numbers are not great but i think the Model 3 does cannibalise the Model S. Sources: https: teslastats.no and https: elbilstatistikk.no | 2019-09-24 07:19:31 | 33 | Combined S X sales look like they are going to be down over 25% from Q1 which itself was the worst quarter since Q2 of 2016. Characterizing that as not great is a bit of an understatement. The e-Tron is outselling the Model X by 4 to 1 - maybe that is part of the reason for the big drop in Model X sales? | 2019-09-24 09:26:32 | 7 | Tesla Model Y Purchase Consideration | 16,354 |
First 30 Model 3 s cannot be $35k right? | If history is repeating itself they re going to start production with the bigger battery size... That s what they did for Model S and X. Or am I wrong? Do you think the first 30 will be $35k or pretty close? | 2017-07-18 07:10:17 | 19 | They will probably have a bunch of options so won t be $35k. $35k is the bare minimum. | 2017-07-18 07:17:47 | 25 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 6,669 |
Issues with floor mats? | Anyone else have issues with the stock floor mats in the car? I ve had them fix it once but the footers keep pulling up from the carpet. Any suggestions on a better fix? I m going to have them fix it again at the next service appointment but it seems to just be a fundamental issue with the current mats. | 2016-10-24 14:09:00 | 6 | I had the same issue. They offered to fix and I offered to let them replace the whole mat. The mat was replaced and I have had no further issues. | 2016-10-24 14:13:29 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 10,254 |
Internship (Project Development) advice | Hi I don t know if this is absurd but why not? I m currently unemployed and I have regular curriculum. I m 27 and no special education I m a fast autodidact learner and I m really interested in jobs wich are meaningful to us as mankind I mean mostly renewable energies robotics AI development space career biohacking... I recently discovered that Tesla is coming to my country expecting to expand new superchargers all around here. I know it s a difficult shot but I would like to hear some advice to land this internship. I don t really care about money. I know that I don t have a perfect resume or experience in any field but I don t know if it s too late to start learning some moocs so in a little time I can be able to land internships like this one. Sorry if this is kind of innocent or even a bad idea but I m running out of ideas. I would ask any further question related to this or even redo all this post if I find useful advices to do that. | 2016-10-11 19:09:43 | 7 | Need a little more info: Are you currently in school or not? If so what will your degree be in? What country are you in? What exact intern position are you looking at? | 2016-10-11 19:20:42 | 2 | Career Decision - Tesla vs. Ford | 9,807 |
Model X on assembly line!!! | Found on TMC: http: www.teslamotorsclub.com showthread.php 44793-Model-X-Mule-Sightings page345 | 2015-09-28 10:46:24 | 48 | [direct link](http: www.teslamotorsclub.com showthread.php 44793-Model-X-Mule-Sightings?p=1168847& viewfull=1#post1168847) This doesn t really look like part of the assembly line to me but perhaps that s immaterial to the point. | 2015-09-28 14:24:00 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 12,836 |
Do you take more road trips now that you have a Tesla | I don t have a Tesla yet but that will most likely be my next vehicle. I ve been looking at it forever. The thing is I don t really enjoy driving that much now but I really want to. I want to enjoy a road trips. For anyone that didn t care about driving before a Tesla did it change you? Between the comfort and feel and autopilot stuff. | 2020-03-03 21:21:30 | 164 | Over 31 000 miles since I got my model 3 at the end of June 2018 so yes. Best road trip car I ve owned. Done several 800-1000 mile trips. Autopilot + audiobook makes it super easy. | 2020-03-03 21:23:24 | 80 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 5,288 |
Autopark incidents | I ve used autopark a couple times and it seems to work well. Curious though if there have been any Reports of autopark fails (hitting car or curb) Thanks | 2016-01-04 08:13:50 | 7 | Works great. Love it. First time is a bit scary though. | 2016-01-04 22:12:02 | 4 | Issues with Smart Summon | 2,452 |
IIHS Evaluating Autonomy: Model S & 3 fail stationary test Model 3 best active lane keeping | There s a status report out from IIHS today with their testing results on active driver assistance technologies. The stationary test results for the Model S & 3 are being cherry picked from the report (other tests were positive for Tesla but that s not news). [Evaluating Autonomy article on the IIHS site](http: www.iihs.org iihs news desktopnews evaluating-autonomy-iihs-examines-driver-assistance-features-in-road-track-tests). [Full Status Report (PDF)](http: www.iihs.org externaldata srdata docs sr5304.pdf). [AP News article](https: apnews.com 272679c796294701b5d19078faa72059). | 2018-08-07 08:38:09 | 61 | To test active lane-keeping on curves engineers conducted six trials with each vehicle on three different sections of road with radii ranging from 1 300 to 2 000 feet. Only the Model 3 stayed within the lane on all 18 trials. The Model S was similar but overcorrected on one curve causing it to cross the line on the inside of the curve in one trial. None of the other systems tested provided enough steering input on their own to consistently stay in their lane often requiring the driver to provide additional steering to successfully navigate the curve. | 2018-08-07 11:53:08 | 29 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 9,350 |
Long Range CyberTruck Dual motor | Like most in the sub I too have placed a reservation for an AWD dual motor CyberTruck. I do wish Tesla offered a long range dual motor variant of the CyberTruck with 500 miles similar to the now discontinued model 3 long range rear wheel drive. Would you opt in if offered? I don t need Tri motor but would definitely opt in for more range. | 2019-12-08 16:29:34 | 71 | Would you pay $60k for it? | 2019-12-08 16:40:35 | 48 | Tesla Model Comparison | 10,963 |
Free Supercharging Miles | Very very new Tesla owner!! Not sure if this is a dumb question or has already been addressed & I didn t see it but I have 5 000 miles from the referral program & picked up my long range Model 3 on Monday. I went to charge it yesterday for about 30 minutes. It went up from 40 miles to about 180 so it charged about 140 miles. However when I checked my miles it went from 5 000 to 4 525! Can anyone explain why? Thanks in advance! | 2019-06-13 14:37:12 | 18 | There is a problem that Tesla is aware of. Many other new owners including myself have reported it. This is the response I received: & #x200B Hello Thank you for your support of Tesla through our Referral Program. We are aware of a few instances of Supercharging miles being used up at a higher than normal rate. We are looking into this and hope to have a resolution soon and we will update you as soon as we have any further details. We appreciate your patience and we thank you for helping us accelerate the world s transition to sustainable energy. Best Heather B | Referral Program Specialist & #x200B Edit: this is the e-mail address to contact- [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) Edit 2: The normal calculation for those with 1000 mile annual free charging is 2.5 kW mile. People like us are being charged 12.5 kW mi five times the standard figure. 5000 free miles is also five times the normal free miles. | 2019-06-13 15:16:11 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 6,936 |
Insurance is keeping me from getting my dream car | Hey all long time lurker. I ve been saving up for years and I can finally almost afford a very used model S. Unfortunately I never considered how much insurance might cost. Being a 22 year old male (even though I have 6+ years of driving without so much as a parking ticket...) the cheapest quote I ve gotten so far is 950 a month which is way more than I was expecting. Does anyone have recommendations of insurance companies that are good with Tesla s? I really want to join the Tesla family - but I really can t justify $12 000 a year in insurance on a 2013 model s that was only 30k to begin with... Edit: I have pretty good credit for my age and I reside in Iowa Edit 2: Thanks everyone! I finally got a quote (Progressive) for just over 600 a year! Geico Allstate Farm Bureau and State Farm were all around $1 000 a (ninja edit: month not year.)... I still have no idea why. Thanks to the several posters who recommended Progressive! I ll also expand my search to include model 3 and I hope to join the Tesla family soon!! | 2019-06-24 16:52:34 | 23 | Don t buy a 2013 s for 30k. Don t spend 12k a year on insurance. | 2019-06-24 17:18:41 | 35 | Tesla insurance pricing comparison | 9,754 |
Tesla mentioned in State of the Union speech | Tesla was just mentioned by Obama in the State of the Union speech. Obama used it as an example of new jobs that did not exist 15 years ago. (Other two examples were Google and Ebay). Ignoring all political motives here I think this is just nice for Tesla and a demonstration of how far they have come. Edit: Thanks to u ridgelawrence for finding the video. The Tesla mention has shifted around multiple times in the video so please just follow the comment chain below to locate it. | 2015-01-21 02:46:24 | 164 | [Rad bromance yo.](http: i.imgur.com 83dZRmO.jpg) *edit:* [more](http: i.imgur.com 4LC6WGn.jpg) | 2015-01-21 02:48:32 | 74 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 19,992 |
[speculation ] Future of Tesla Financing | Typically most car manufacturers tend to have finance arms. Toyota Volkswagen etc....Some manufacturers organize 0% deals...etc. Tesla financing internationally tends to be partnered with a local bank with an average but not stellar rate. Assuming manufacturing backlog is dealt with do you in think we will see better deals in the next few years as an incentive to get more people into an EV assisting the mission statement? do you think we ll see a tesla finance division to complement the insurance trials they are running in Asia? | 2018-02-24 11:34:28 | 15 | We already have seen promotional financing rates in the past. Generally these are done with the local bank by Tesla paying down points which reduces your interest rates. ( they were offering 0.99% rate on S & X last August ) | 2018-02-24 13:41:00 | 9 | Future of Electric Cars | 25,300 |
Which current crossover or SUV would you say most resembles the Model X? | I was thinking either the BMW X6 or the Audi Q5. What do you guys think? | 2015-11-15 22:04:48 | 9 | [Mercedes GLE Coupe?](http: imgur.com GUxhZxN) | 2015-11-15 22:53:52 | 25 | Tesla Model 3 Ownership Experiences | 23,274 |
Why does doesn t the app nav tell you which charger to use based on available capacity? | Hey all I thought of this while trying to pull into a supercharger recently that didn t have any options to charge without sharing a stall. With the chargers today giving priority to the first person to arrive and with Tesla obviously being able to see who is almost done charging due to the mobile notifications wouldn t it make sense to have the app or the navigation system recommend which charger would be the best to use based on which one is likely to have the other partner leave first? It seems like it would greatly reduce the situation where somebody leaves after I plug in and I either charge with less rate or have to move to unshare. What do y all think? | 2019-06-16 15:09:40 | 17 | Agreed the nav charging still has a long way to go. Some things it doesn t do: 1. Tell you which charger to use based on availability 2. Allow you to change your navigation path based on preference or traffic accidents 3. Allow you to change the need for charging based on real world efficiency (so many times I ve needed to charge even though it doesn t think I do because it s winter in a cold climate and I m getting 300wh mi instead of 240 estimated) 3 is possible to do in A Better Route Planner which is a fantastic 3rd party website. I ve said many times Tesla need to buy out the software and implement it into the car screen. | 2019-06-16 15:30:31 | 9 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 23,460 |
The Future of Tesla Suspension | My wife and I had a discussion about her thoughts on the Tesla Model 3 we babysat for three weeks when my nephew was in Africa. She said there were two things that kept her from considering buying one: price and the suspension. Price is what it is but what about that suspension? Right now if you want a smoother ride you have to buy an S or X. This of course just makes problem #1 even worse. Elon has said that the S and X are now more niche products that Tesla is selling for sentimental reasons. But what about selling cars that might appeal to a more broad audience? Ones that aren t tuned for the more sporty types. We want a car that s comfortable on a long drive. One where you can lay your head back on the headrest and not feel every bump in the road. I m not talking anything dramatic. My wife drives a Corolla. So just something a little more “normal.” Are there any plans for this to happen? To have a model Y or 3 with a more comfortable suspension? If so then I can work on her on the price. | 2019-11-03 00:03:55 | 51 | I went from a corolla (2015) to a M3 . The m3 is way way way smoother as far as ride goes. No idea where you think that the model 3 is not better than a corolla in every single way. | 2019-11-03 01:16:10 | 124 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 20,661 |
[Discussion] Hey Elon: for the Tesla Pickup make the washer fluid reservoir hold 1 gallon when the warning light comes on. That way we don t have to carry store a partially used bottle. | When filling up the washer fluid reservoir while traveling I always end up with a partial 1 gallon container that I need to haul around until I get back home to store it. I don t know of any vendor that sells smaller containers of washer fluid for vehicles. A convenient solution would be to trigger the warning light when there is at least a gallon of space available to pour in a complete bottle. Cars may not have the room but this should be easily doable on the truck. | 2019-01-24 18:46:43 | 421 | Five litres please for those of us who live in non-gallon countries. | 2019-01-24 20:01:23 | 144 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 24,389 |
Help me decide between the model 3 and S | Today I went to the shop to get a quote for the performance model 3. However the salesman steered met toward a long range model s with similar specs for the same lease price. Now I am torn between the two. Model 3 + More minimal + New kid on the block Model S + More leg space in the back (my second child should be over a couple of months) + Softer ride Which one would you guys pick? Also would a towbar be a good deal? My budget was between 70-80k euros. | 2019-05-25 15:16:36 | 5 | The rear legroom on the 3 is fine for adults let alone children. The issue in the Model 3 rear is the width. When I have three adults back there they complain about the shoulder-room. It comes down to whether you want a larger or smaller car. | 2019-05-25 16:01:46 | 5 | Tesla Model 3 Ownership Experiences | 7,775 |
Model Y Third Row Order | When the Model X came out the 7 seats were bundled with all of the initial orders to capture the highest revenue possible. Pushing it back a year on the Y probably has a reason but not even being given the option to preorder is pretty unusual. I d like to preorder to get on the list but I will not be able to until Tesla re-opens the option for the third row. I don t NEED a third row but it would be nice to have in a pinch. So what s going on: is it a supply issue? is there just not enough space for the third row back there and Tesla is going to remove the option completely? is the third row so poor that Tesla does not want the initial reviews from the press to include negative remarks about the third row and a lower overall score? does Tesla need to redesign the 2nd and third row seats to make room for a third row? does Tesla need to make a major design change such as making the third row rear-facing changing the roof line etc.? is there going to be a large price increase that Tesla doesn t want to eat on anymore cars? Every time I brought up a rear facing third row before Sandy Munro s video I got downvoted bit now that he mentioned it it may give more credence to the possibility of it being legit. If that s the case I hope the have a deploying step from the bumper similar to what you can find on a pickup truck. In any case I find it odd that there is not even an option to pre-order. Makes me think it not going to be considered a 7 seater anymore but likely a 5+2 like the Model S. There is also a possibility that the change is major enough that Tesla doesn t want to false advertise letting people pre-order a product that will be radically different in price and or design. | 2020-04-19 08:21:50 | 37 | It s because currently the rear crash structure is a multipart piece that uses a CNCed component to join everything together. Tesla has two huge presses on order to make that rear structure in a single piece which will presumably improve the rear crash structure safety to the point where they can put rear seats in the back. At least that s what Elon alluded too in his latest podcast appearance. The presses should come online sometime later this year. | 2020-04-19 10:36:04 | 50 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 12,965 |
Picture request | Ordering a Model X and was thinking of getting the silver with black wheels (white and carbon interior). If someone has this exterior combo could you provide some pictures? I have yet to see a silver MX in person.. | 2017-03-25 19:53:24 | 8 | T Sportline has a silver model x with black wheels and the white seats on their website [here](https: tsportline.com gallery model-x 20-tst-wheels matte-black silver-metallic-model-x ) though I don t know about the carbon fibre decor | 2017-03-25 20:03:58 | 3 | Model 3 Seat Impressions | 15,214 |
Maintain climate settings after selecting driver profile | Does this drive anyone else crazy... Scenario #1: Preheating my car from the app. Get in step on brake climate resets to whatever it last was usually turning off seat heaters etc. Scenario #2: Get in car turn seat heater on step on brake climate resets to whatever it last was usually turning off seat heaters etc I am assuming this is not a bug but intentional to restore the car to your last set climate on that profile... but an explicit action right before triggering that profile should be carried over right? | 2020-02-02 18:04:56 | 54 | Yea this is so annoying. The easy entry profile is used when preheating the car etc. hoping this behavior gets fixed in an update soon. | 2020-02-02 18:08:31 | 27 | Tesla Climate Control Issues | 11,313 |
Sentry Mode not catching events | For the second time in under 24 hours someone has for no good reason unplugged my car at a hotel. Minor issue in itself. The second time I was at the car within a few minutes and nobody else was charging. The handle was just hung up. I checked my USB drive and there was no recorded Sentry footage. I assume it simply didn t trigger as an event so I checked the RecentClips folder where recordings existed but not of the event. It looks like it recorded for a while and then for about 5 minutes it started saving 581KB files. It then picked back up after I plugged it back in. Any idea why it would stop recording and not trigger an event when someone without a key unplugs from the adapter? I get that it could be sleeping but I was under the impression that Sentry mode would stop it from sleeping. I also have Teslafi and still have it poll overnight when I m not home which should keep it from sleeping as well. | 2019-10-24 06:34:48 | 19 | It happens dude it s not perfect. I got two separate incidents where i was clipped and swiped in the back. Sentry didn t catch either of those. You either accept that or get dashcams to ease your mind like I did. | 2019-10-24 13:10:04 | 4 | Issues with Sentry Mode | 16,973 |
Anyone try SiO2 Polymer Ceramic Spray Protectant? | So I ve priced out things like a clear bra for the front of my Model 3 and I ve decided something like coating the car entirely just isn t gonna happen. I stumbled across a lot of products all claiming to help protect paint for about a year per application via SiO2 Polymer Ceramic Spray. At $15-20 for a 16oz bottle it would be a good option if it s any good at all. Even just as something to slap on the bumper every year to protect against road debris. Has anyone ever tried anything like this? I don t expect it to be some magic pill or to compete with a more expensive professionally installed option. Just curious if it helps enough to warrant applying it. | 2019-03-27 23:55:17 | 7 | It will make water and dirt run off with much less adhesion. Don t expect any paint protection from it. | 2019-03-28 00:04:39 | 8 | Ceramic Coating Application Process | 2,046 |
If you re serious about preventing state meddling in Tesla Motors sales why not donate to charity to prove it? | Presently state governments have various existing laws on the books that have been leveraged by traditional car dealer lobbyists to frustrate the sale of Tesla Motors vehicles to consumers. Individual efforts within the states have not been as successful as consumers would like. Regulatory capture is being used by the entrenched players (dealers and existing manufacturers) and the outcome works against consumers. Federal government meddling in states affairs is a notoriously touchy matter so I would be satisfied with just an official statement from either the President or Congress that states should not frustrate innovative auto sales approaches such as the direct-to-consumer approach used by Tesla. Please try to get this out to as many Tesla supporters as you can! https: usa.brianstaskforce.com task 383 prevent-states-from-frustrating-tesla-motors-sales | 2013-06-27 15:57:00 | 6 | And don t forget to sign [the White House petition](https: petitions.whitehouse.gov petition allow-tesla-motors-sell-directly-consumers-all-50-states bFN7NHQR). | 2013-06-30 20:37:20 | 3 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 9,534 |
Factors that can influence Supercharger speeds. | Following along with my [North American UMC guide ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7jhl3q the_definitive_north_american_tesla_umc_gen_1_2 ?st=jjc0v5i4& sh=308ab572) there s a lot of vagueness regarding what can cause different charge rates at Superchargers this post should help clear up the information about it because a lot of factors influence charge speeds. **Factors that influence supercharging rates: (in no particular order)** * Outside temperature (Extreme heat extreme cold see below) * Battery pack temperature. (Especially for cold soaked packs in winter but can also be a factor in extreme heat Tesla s cooling is only so good.) * Battery state of charge when you plug in. (Fuller the battery slower the charge rate) * Battery super low? This depends on the software version and battery pack but often if you plug into a supercharger when your battery is extremely low (0%-3%) it trickle charges it a bit before kicking into full supercharging speeds. This is painfully slow but to protect the pack. It can take anywhere from 3 to 20 minutes for the pack to get the proper voltage to start supercharging normally. Sometimes if your pack is both cold soaked and super low [it can take **hours** to initiate a supercharge](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7qlznh that_time_it_took_7_hours_to_charge_at_a ?st=jjbyj70l& sh=18d87c8c) as the pack needs to both warm itself and get the voltage up to accept supercharging rates. * Sharing stalls and are you the second to plug in? (Does not apply to Urban style Superchargers) * Are you at an Urban style Supercharger? (limited to ~72kW max no matter what) * Individual chargers inside the stack have failed. The supercharger backend cabinets are made up of stacks of 12 normal car chargers running together in parallel that bypass your onboard charger. These individual chargers can fail one at a time inside the stack but the Supercharger will continue to work with reduced output. This is known as Supercharger health. The service people can see the health of each stack inside the cabinets and will periodically come out and replace the failed units. This is really common at superchargers and impossible to tell outside calling Tesla to ask which cabinet has the best health at any given time. * Supercharger cord old? The cords that plug into your car can wear and the supercharging rate will drop if the car cabinets detect a poor connection. This is done to reduce the chance of fire there is a temp sensor in the charging handle. Some people put cold washcloths over the charge handle while supercharging on hot days to keep it cool and keep the charge rate higher. Supercharger support will occasionally replace handles at the same time they are fixing the failed chargers inside the stack. * Issue with your charge port. The handle might work but there might be gunk or wear on your charge port. You probably wouldn t notice it when AC charging at home (max of 19.2kW. 80amps@240v) but when trying to dump up to 120kW into your car at a Supercharger poor connection issues with your port could slow the rate (see above). * Do you have a older A series pack? The original Model S 85 shipped with a pack who s supercharging rate was limited to 90kW. 2nd generation B series packs (and beyond) could handle up to 120kW. * Do you have a Model S or X 75D or lower? Smaller packs run at a lower voltage then the > 85kWh B series and later. (350v vs 400v). The smaller packs can t charge above ~98kW. < update> For a brief time Tesla sold 75D s with software locked 85kWh batteries (mostly in Europe). Unlike the software locked 60 s that were really 75 s you can t unlock these cars to get the full 85 but you get the faster supercharging with them as they are 400v vs 350v. To my knowledge this was only for a brief time. (Much like the brief time they sold software locked 75 s as 60 s that **did** have a software unlock option) * Larger area power issues that are affecting the region. If it s hot the power company might be offering reduced service to prevent larger brownouts. This happens a lot in California. Not much you can do about this. * Do you have Model 3? If the supercharger is in pristine condition & other factors aren t in play the Model 3 seems to hold it s max charge rate longer then Model S & X. That new 2170 pack architecture has a lot of potential. ~~------------------------------------------------~~ Any of these (or a combination) can affect the Supercharger rate for your car. That s why it s so hard to pin down supercharger problems. The vast majority of superchargers have a handful of failed chargers inside the cabinets at any given time. For both Urban and Normal superchargers one supercharger **cabinet** (containing stacks of chargers) feeds to a pair of charging pedestals. If you charge from one of said pair that has failed units your charge rate is reduced right off the bat but it might also be super hot outside (or you could have a cold soaked pack) and could have a bad handle so you never can really tell what the culprit is. For those who don t know the Supercharger backend cabinets are mostly the same for both Urban style and normal style. The only real difference is Urban s just split the available power in half evenly whereas normal superchargers do some fancy load sharing to provide more potential power to whoever plugs in first. (This is a gross simplification of how they work but for our purposes let s run with it.) Urban pedestals also have a different more compact look. They are cheaper to deploy as they don t have the fancy load sharing control stuff and the cabling only needs to support up to ~72kW per pedestal vs up to 120kW with normal ones. For a brief time Tesla trialed liquid cooled charging cables at the Mountain View Supercharger but the test ended and the cables are now back to the standard type. Apparently the test didn t work out as it was never expanded to other locations but liquid cooling might reappear in the new V3 Superchargers or Megachargers for the Semi. Time will tell. TL DR. Lots of factors play into the charge speeds you can get at a Supercharger. | 2018-07-07 19:49:06 | 75 | > Why is there no Supercharger post flair option? Charging | 2018-07-07 20:43:33 | 20 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 6,327 |
Unchosen prototype headlight of Model S & current headlight samsara (durability issue) | Dozens of Model S owners here in Taiwan had reported **headlight replacements for 2-5 times a year!** DRLs suppose to emit white turned yellow after 1-4 months EVERYTIME until you get out of this samsara. (Maybe I shouldn t call it durability issue. It s more like defective parts.) Yes it s under warranty but it s extremely time-consuming and bothering! We wonder who is the supplier and WHY IT S NEVER FIXED? & #x200B Well we didn t find the answer. However we found that a company in Taiwan is the supplier of taillight and there is a prototype headlight of Model S on its [website](https: www.eoi.com.tw index.php?module=news& func=display& lang=zh-tw& sid=314). I just want to share it. BTW since Taiwan owners are minority for Tesla globally I will be much appreciated if you can help to file a complaint against **endless headlight replacements of Model S.** It will be significant expenses after 4yrs 80000km (out of warranty) since it s not cheap. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it wmxw6dqwli141.png?width=800& format=png& auto=webp& s=d9ec206d724e01a6f8e3f07fe9e92f46e0ba9d72 | 2019-11-28 23:52:28 | 8 | Nice. Upvoted from 90% to 60%. To fanboys: **THIS IS A TRUE STORY WE ENCOUNTERED & SUFFERED.** | 2019-11-29 05:15:20 | 4 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 21,686 |
How much cheaper would be M3 made in European Gigafactory compared to US price? | Currently European model 3 prices are around €10k costlier than the the price in US for the same model. Will price parity be achieved with US prices once model 3 is made European Gigafactory? I am planning to buy a new car in the next 1-1.5 years in Netherlands. Will waiting out for cheaper European made tesla M3 makes sense? I am interested in the standard plus M3. If not tesla which is the second best EV for the same price that you would recommend? My budget is €40k max. | 2019-06-09 08:57:31 | 29 | Not sure what the impact on price will be but it will probably take a few more years before the European Gigafactory shows up. It would be safe to assume that construction will not go as fast as it happened in China. I don t expect to see an operational Gigafactory in Europe before 2022 at the earliest. | 2019-06-09 09:09:01 | 22 | Tesla Model Y Purchase Consideration | 8,456 |
Tesla delivery question | I ordered a model 3 about a week and a half ago today I got a email that asked me to confirm my delivery information (address driver licenses etc). But when I clicked on the email it took me to the referral page and when I navigated to my account it says that the next step is contract is being drafted. and there is no where to enter any of the info from the email. & #x200B It s super unclear from email if I need to do something to setup the delivery or not. Is this normal? This is a pretty bad process because it s completely unclear what am I supposed to do. | 2019-06-23 03:05:03 | 5 | It s an automated email. If your status is your contract is being drafted then you had already provided all the required information earlier. | 2019-06-23 03:13:07 | 7 | Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences | 19,771 |
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Excruciating high-pitched whine | I took delivery of a Model Y 2 days ago (an early July build w VIN #22XXX) and am encountering a problem w a very high-pitched whine (the best analogue that comes to mind is it sounds like a dental implement) from what I believe to be the rear motor. It typically consists of a high-pitched whine that correlates with pedal input above a certain speed persists at certain speeds pulsing beeping of sorts et cetera. We didn t hear this in either of the demo Model Ys we test drove. And this is definitely not something I ve experienced in my Model 3 dual motor AWD. It s so egregious that despite how much I love my Model 3 and generally advocate Tesla to others I wouldn t have opted into this vehicle for my wife at all. Had a test drive been part of delivery acceptance it also wouldn t have been accepted. The earliest available service appointment I could get scheduled is the 31st. That concerns me given it s outside the 7 day return window and I really have no appetite for a protracted battle w Tesla over whether this is within spec or not. I also really have no desire to desire to return it and be returned to the queue since the vehicle is otherwise in a good enough state (it has a few trim & seat alignment issues that I expect ought be routine to adjust). Has anyone here encountered or better yet achieved resolution on this? Here s a link to what I hear (w a low cut filter applied to separate from tire road noise): [Model Y High Pitched Whine](https: www.dropbox.com s 7sy16wddy9wv8se Tesla%20Model%20Y%20High%20Pitched%20Whine%20-%20July%202020.mp3?dl=0) For reference also another thread on Tesla Motors Club on this topic: [https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 4865301 ](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 4865301 ) | 2020-07-25 17:38:24 | 13 | Exact same issue resolved by service center. 1337x VIN June build Y. Rear motor whine between 30-50mph. First appointment available after purchase to resolve minor finish issues and the whine. Issue was first described by service as a missing “battery to body seal” that was allowing the noise into cabin. After a few days for parts and other work they called to say they had to wait for special jack stands from Fremont to drop the HV battery and get to the penthouse seal location. Evidently this was the first for the Y. After repairs tech said it was a seal around in the penthouse allowing the noise. Issue was completely resolved. Very happy with the car and the service experience despite how extreme this repair seems to have been. End of quarter car oh well 🤷🏻♂️ Just checked part replaced: SEAL PERIMETER PENTHOUSE MDL3(1467057-00-C) | 2020-07-26 03:21:57 | 12 | Tesla Noise Concerns | 6,123 |
What is next for the Model S MCU1 recall? | The latest letter from the NHTSA requested that Tesla perform a voluntary recall for the MCU1 in Model S and Model X 2012-part of 2016. The deadline for Tesla to respond to the letter was January 27th two weeks after it the request was published and years after Tesla knew this was a problem. Did Tesla ever respond to the letter? What happens next? I live in a snowy place (I need defogging and de-icing) with a car that has intermittent access to the backup camera and won t activate the turn signals if the MCU is down. If you haven t already read the letter from the NHTSA against Tesla. Some highlights include comparing them to other manufacturers with we have issued mandatory recalls for less. https: www.google.com url?q=https: static.nhtsa.gov odi inv 2020 INRM-EA20003-11321.pdf& sa=U& ved=2ahUKEwjA8by0s77uAhVIVc0KHUBkBZwQFjACegQIChAB& usg=AOvVaw2Z33qqOuc7s3eJ6VRUCXSx | 2021-01-28 10:19:02 | 22 | Just got my 2015 S85 back yesterday replacing instrument cluster and MCU = “infotainment upgrade” for $1500. I repeatedly asked about recall and warranty notice and such but they said the recall warranty notice only applied to replacing a subunit of MCU and not wholesale replacement. Would not budge on price. In the end took 3 days but new MCU is really slick. Car feels new again voice commands are more responsive no more glitching or random resets while driving. But seriously could any other automaker sell you a car where the instrument cluster and main controls all go tits up at 100k miles then charge you $1500 for the privilege of having a drivable car again? Esp. w a recall coming for that very issue. Love Tesla but pretty annoyed. | 2021-01-28 16:32:29 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 22,753 |
Tesloop and Superchargers [Discussion] | Today i have to wait at least 15 minutes to start supercharging in San Diego and there is only one supercharger location here. I saw at least couple tesloop cars were charging. | 2018-04-15 04:48:52 | 17 | San Diego people here. I ve always been charging at home. That one time I went to this Superchargers location before a road trip I waited 20 mins. Saw 3 Tesloop vehicles charging. I can see why Tesla owners hate them. | 2018-04-15 06:14:50 | 14 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 20,513 |
Constant Charging Interrupted with Gen 3 Wall Charger (solution) | I LOVE my brand new 2020 S100D long range and was excited to get a brand new wall charger professionally installed so that I might actually be able to drive it! For the first few weeks I had zero problem with the charger but after a couple of updates it now will interrupt charging 4-5 times a night. It s a pain and I ve seen this posted all over reddit and the Tesla owners forums but the solutions they all tried (check for loose wires etc.) did not work for me so I opened a ticket with Tesla. Did you know your wall charger has a wifi adapter in it? I didn t. The technician has informed me that this is a known issue with this particular firmware version and that an updated firmware should resolve the issue. The wall charger is overheating which is why some have had success by turning down the charging rate (Mine is at 48Amps). The solution is to use the QR code in the quickstart manual as well as the password to connect to the wall charger s wifi network (kind of like an Amazon echo does) and configure the wifi on the wall charger. Within a couple of hours of being unplugged from the car it will download the latest firmware which should fix the issue. I thought I would post this here in case anyone else is having the same problem. | 2020-08-06 22:54:59 | 39 | As far as I know this over-the-air firmware updates is still a temporary fix that lowers charge rate to 24a while the wall connector cools down as well as eliminates app notifications of interruption. Permanent fix still in the works. | 2020-08-07 05:19:08 | 8 | Tesla charging port locking | 4,116 |
Idea to combat Supercharging ICE ing: Give private property owners a commission in exchange for posting tow signs. | This has been an ongoing issue and in the news recently. Private property owners won t tow non Teslas so ICE cars abuse the supercharging charging stalls penalty free. I want Tesla to fix this problem and help reduce anxiety anger and combativeness of ICE vs EV. First of all any sort of retaliation will only spur retaliation back so that s not an option. There needs to be some sort of legal penalty otherwise this will only continue. Here s an idea that might work: What if Tesla gave the private property owners a small commission. Say 1 cent a kwh of charging. Let s assume 100kw of charging an hour and ten stalls with an average of 10 hours of charging per stall. That s 10 stalls * 100kw * 1cent * 10 hours = $100 a day. That s $3 000 a month. Not bad. The end consumer would only pay an additional 50-75 cents a charge. Honestly $3 000 is a lot even a quarter cent could work. $1 000 or $500 a month is still a lot of money for not having to do anything. In exchange the owners must allow Tesla to partner with a tow company and put up a sign with a tow company number to tow non Teslas. Problem solved. No? | 2019-01-01 19:57:01 | 33 | The tow companies pay for the right to tow at lots anyway. The tow companies charge $300+ to get a car out typically. They make plenty of money to pay a commission to the lot owner. | 2019-01-01 19:59:45 | 21 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 9,406 |
Did FF drag race tease in late December push Tesla to delay their latest firmware update? | Is it possible Tesla delayed the release of the latest firmware update to push the Model S performance further to beat the claimed 2.39s 0-60mph by Faraday Future for their FF91? | 2017-01-04 03:52:29 | 8 | That would be downright genius. | 2017-01-04 03:56:37 | 22 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 5,031 |
Is 6.1 publicly available? | It wasn t clear to me if the screenshots we ve seen were just from select users (e.g. betas). In any case I haven t gotten a notification for an update yet. If it is available is there any way to push or check for the update? | 2015-01-14 22:43:12 | 5 | It is but there s no telling when you ll get it. I haven t while other people I know got it last week. | 2015-01-14 22:58:08 | 3 | Tesla Software Updates Overview | 9,851 |
Saved ~ 4000$ in one year on fuel cost. Model 3 feels like extension of me | Usually I drive 12 k to 16 k miles in a year but it went up after model 3 to 22k. In California at least where i live average fuel cost is 4 $ and my previous car was giving me 22 mpg. Charging cost at most 200 $. I charge for free at work. It is so weird i dont think I can own any other car other than Tesla had to take car for a small body work hate to say I miss it | 2019-04-20 18:32:28 | 170 | Bravo to your employer or location owner for offering free charging. | 2019-04-20 18:44:31 | 70 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 16,777 |
Model 3 UK pcp Lease | From what I can see there s only an option to purchase with cash or through a HP loan. Does anyone know if we are likely to get a pcp Lease option? Pcp is very popular in the UK so I imagine they d be missing a big chunk of the market without this option. Leasing is also increasingly popular. I unfortunately cannot afford the high monthly cost even with the potential savings however if we can get pcp Lease around the £400-450 mark then my Tesla dream may come true! If anyone has any calculations on what the pcp price might look like then please share. Thanks in advance | 2019-05-09 08:33:12 | 11 | PCP is coming to UK we know that for sure just mixed responses on when. I ve used several PCP calculations and I think SR+ with no options would come in around £450 Mark with minimum deposit. | 2019-05-09 08:48:46 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 12,029 |
Summon and garage door | Started using summons with my homelink. Having one particular issue. When I attempt to summon my model S from my garage my car will will stop then open garage and abort rest of summon. It will not exit the garage. I park my car front facing out and I have V8.1 2017.46. Is there something I am missing or can correct myself on. | 2017-11-23 17:32:10 | 5 | Not sure what would be causing this behavior. Our cars will sense the garage open then pull out and close the garage door behind itself as you would expect. | 2017-11-23 21:18:28 | 2 | Issues with Smart Summon | 17,919 |
Self applied Ceramic Coating on Model 3 my thoughts. | My Car: Bought a Model 3 \~5 days ago. Went immediately on a 1500 km road trip camping. In need of a cleaning. My situation: my car is parked on the road ( I don t have a garage) I use my car to drive to a lot of meetings for work. I m off on vacation baby is in day care but I have to stay local so... this is what I did with my time. I live in Vancouver area and its a mid-summer day \~25 degree Celsius. No rain for \~5 days. My experience: I have previously clayed and polished a car. Why? I don t have a few thousand lying around for a wrap. I hope to make it easier to wash my car. I enjoy DIY. Expectation: I didn t expect my coating to be flawless ( I m doing this outside not optimal) but I thought it might be satisfactory if the product was forgiving enough. From what I ve read the product I was using is fairly forgiving I thought it was worth a go. & #x200B Tools: Simon s Car Washing Liquid (just picked up any brand). Meguira s Clay Kit (clay and lubricant..any will do...remove bugs and difficult markings). C Quartz UK 3.0 + Reload (ceramic coating). Power washer. Microfiber towels (lots!) & #x200B I m not an expert and there are other recommendations (i.e spraying with iron removing wash washing with alcohol prior to coating application) that you may decide. I tried to complete the prep clean during the day (when I was free) so in the evening I could apply the ceramic coating in the shade (evening). & #x200B Prep: Simple. Washed the car and clayed off what wouldn t come off. Rewash. Dry. Car was clean noticed some minor shallow scratches the clay couldn t remove. & #x200B Coating: I waited for the sun to set low before I began ceramic coating and made sure my car was cool. I wiped the panels of any dust that may have accumulated. The ceramic coating was forgiving easy to apply and made a visible difference. It was labor intensive. I applied a second coating on the front panels. Stopped as I ran out of time. Next day in the morning I parked it in the shade wiped off any dust and applied the C quartz reload. & #x200B All in all the ceramic coating itself likely took me about \~4-5 hrs. I d say another 2 hrs for the wash. Was it worth it? I learned about the coating (and appreciate the amount of labor a detailer puts into it). Overall I m glad I did it the car looks fantastic and feels silky smooth. My greatest concern was leaving blotches on the paint as the coating hardens or dust embedded in the coating. This did not happen the coating was forgiving (just followed the instructions) and dust didn t embed into the coating. Also the minor scratches disappeared by the last coating. I give credit to the people at CQuartz this product was very forgiving and worked as advertised even when applied under sub-optimal conditions. & #x200B Dollar for dollar I think it d make more sense to have it professionally done (that time can be spent making $).If you are interested in DIY and have some time on your hands I d recommend giving it a try! & #x200B If you have any recommendations feel free at reply. My intent is to provide some information for other people encase they are thinking about doing the same. & #x200B [Photo of the hood post coating](https: i.redd.it 2h5sth68jkc31.jpg) & #x200B & #x200B [photo of the car \(window\ rims\ tires zero cleaning\)](https: i.redd.it tnin4btbjkc31.jpg) & #x200B Recommendations: if you re looking for something easier and less time consuming: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments chs79g self\_applied\_ceramic\_coating\_on\_model\_3\_my euxj144?utm\_source=share& utm\_medium=web2x](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments chs79g self_applied_ceramic_coating_on_model_3_my euxj144?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x) | 2019-07-25 19:19:31 | 25 | This is amazing.. im in the same area and same boat. Was thinking of applying pre-cut ppf on my own? Did you do the paint corrections by yourself? | 2019-07-25 19:24:46 | 5 | Ceramic Coating Application Process | 16,909 |
[discussion] 2018.16 + cellphone (iPhone X) = no sound? | I got a strange glitch with the latest firmware updated yesterday (2018.16) When my phone is connected via BT to the car and someone s calling it s becoming silent but meanwhile the call is starting and the person can hear me. Anyone got it too by a chance? It s pretty annoying issue and I m trying to find out what is going on (is it my bug or firmware s) | 2018-04-28 21:42:40 | 10 | If you have an Apple Watch (and iPhone) there is a known firmware issue with it that affects the ability for people to hear you clearly when in your Tesla. Temporary solution for that is to put the Apple Watch into airplane mode. Supposedly a fix for that coming to a firmware update near you -) | 2018-04-28 21:44:18 | 9 | Spotify Integration Analysis | 25,264 |
Panasonic is in Phoenix this week hiring for the Gigafactory | https: penaphoenix17.youcanbook.me Registration for anyone interested. | 2017-12-12 17:50:22 | 69 | Hey desert dwellers! Do you love the wild desert landscape but Phoenix is too civilized? Have we got a place for you! | 2017-12-12 17:59:52 | 22 | Career Decision - Tesla vs. Ford | 14,999 |
Tesla has a Supercharger problem | When I get bored I go charge at the supercharger. The one near me currently has 3 stalls out of order and people try to constantly pull into them and don t know what to do when it doesn t work. I constantly have to get out and tell people which ones work. There has to be a better way. I m thinking maybe somehow a warning could pop up if you pull in using weak Bluetooth signals. | 2021-02-15 22:30:58 | 31 | > When I get bored I go charge at the supercharger. ?????? | 2021-02-15 22:54:50 | 153 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 19,837 |
Reminder to get a second estimate for your trade-in | Tesla offered me $8k for my current vehicle. I had cleaned it out and took pictures after filling out the trade-in information on Tesla s site. They ended up sending me an offer without ever asking to see pictures of the car. They then proceeded to accept the offer on the order page on my behalf even though I told them several times I would be getting other quotes. I never clicked accept as I had an appointment 2 days later with CarMax. So I went to CarMax and was offered $10 000. That s $2000 more (obviously). This is the difference for some people to justify a range or feature upgrade. I get why they are doing it some percentage of people will just blindly trade their car in because it s the least amount of effort. Maybe a couple thousand dollars doesn t mean much to some buyers. On the other hand I have heard some stories on here of how Tesla s offer was the same or even greater then CarMax s in some cases but it s probably worth your time to check. & #x200B I told the Tesla salesperson to just remove the trade-in altogether. My original plan was to just ask them to match the offer but I have already sent the purchase agreement to my bank and signed the final paperwork so I don t want to go through the hassle of making changes at this point. My delivery appointment is scheduled for next Wednesday (3 27). & #x200B Some people might say that I should skip all that and sell privately for an extra $1k or so. If you have the time for that by all means do it. I have a family and a very busy schedule and I wanted to avoid a potential headaches of being yanked around by potential buyers. Also I don t need to be taking a 3 and 5 year old on a test drive with strangers. & #x200B Black M3 LR AP FSD if anyone is curious. & #x200B EDIT: Removed bit that was making the sensitive crowd uncomfortable. | 2019-03-21 17:32:55 | 13 | I sold my privately Tesla offered 14k I got 21k privately.. for that price difference there is no way i was trading in. | 2019-03-21 17:37:56 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 16,382 |
Upgrading to 220 | i am currently charging in my 110 outlet. My electricity bill went up 300%. Question - does chsrging zero to full on 110 cost the same as charging zero to full on 220 or is it more because its faster? edit: 240 edit: thank you for the suggestions i will look into the energy plans and whether it was an estimate. | 2017-11-27 07:11:50 | 29 | Where do you live? Many utility providers offer a Time of Use rate plan where electricity is much cheaper at night and much more expensive during the day. If you can shift your electricity usage to nighttime you can likely save a significant amount of money. Check with your utility provider. 240v is a bit more efficient but not enough to be a significant difference compared to switching to a Time of Use rate plan. | 2017-11-27 08:33:26 | 36 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 21,860 |
Installing a Tesla charger using the Clothes Dryer Circuit with a Gas Dryer | I have just purchased a house and now I have contacted several electricians regarding installing a charger in my garage for a Tesla. When I was looking for houses I was looking for a house with a charger but my wife loved this house the best. Three contractors quoted several thousand dollars because they all told me that the service panel was filled and I would need a sub panel. The latest electrician however is quoting only $750. He says that all the houses in my area were built for gas dryers and were sold with gas dryers in the laundry room. However a branch circuit was installed for a potential electric clothes dryer in the laundry room. There is a 220 V 30 amp breaker in the panel and a corresponding circuit to the laundry room. The outlet however was not installed. There is a box in the wall covered by a cover instead of the actual physical outlet in place. When I was having the laundry room repainted I was able to confirm that underneath the cover there is the junction box. The electrician says that all he has to do is place the outlet in the garage on the other side of the service panel and use the same circuit to power the outlet. Am I running into problems later by not having the electric outlet for the clothes dryer anymore? I am happy with the current gas dryer. Also is it safe to change the 30 amp breaker to a 50 amp circuit? Also why did not the original builders place an outlet in the laundry room instead of going to all of the expense of putting in the circuit and just covering it with a cover? This confuses me slightly because every house I saw in this area did not have a 220 V outlet in the laundry room and I now realize that the circuit was present but no outlet was installed. | 2020-05-27 19:29:40 | 14 | He ll replace breaker so that s no worry. you also said he s putting the outlet on the otherside of the walk from the breaker box so he ll run a new wire from the breaker box to the garage. The old wire will be left in the breaker box and will be capped so they can t send electric down the dead line. If you every want to switch the dryer over to electric you ll need to just A. Swap the breaker back in and switch the wire over. Or B. Find a couple of wires runs that can be combined in the breaker box to free up a duel pole to reinsert the 30amp breaker (example. Wired smile detectors used to be required on it s open breaker in some jurisdictions now they want it in a commonly used circuit) C. Install a couple of half size breakers a this freeing up 2 slots. D. Upgrade your panel. You might not need new supply wires just a larger box | 2020-05-27 19:58:53 | 14 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 9,722 |
App consistently not connecting with car | Anyone else having an issue that every time you go up to your car you have to turn off blue tooth and then turn it back on to connect to the car? Happens to me almost 100% of the time and it s getting a little frustrating. The app works completely fine otherwise. I never force quit the app like it says not to do. I m using iPhone 12 Pro if that matters. Any thoughts or fixes would be amazing Edit: also it s a model 3 Edit 2: car also won t let me drive even when I m in unless i do the reset. App is open the entire time | 2021-01-23 14:42:34 | 17 | Do you have the app set to only use location when app is open? If so change it to always. | 2021-01-23 16:07:41 | 7 | Model 3 phone key issues | 2,089 |
Have a phone interview with the regional rep... what to expect? | So I had an interview with the store manager and initially a phone interview with the recruiter and I have a final one with the regional rep. Can anyone give me some insight of what I should expect and what questions will be asked? Also the recruiter mentioned in the beginning that I could not have more than 2 moving violations in the last 2 years. I only have one speeding ticket and it was almost a year ago. I got ticketed 75 in a 45 and because of that got 8 points on my license. I should be alright regarding this right? Thanks in advance! | 2015-05-22 16:21:20 | 8 | The moving violation might be a problem. No more than 2 moving violations might be another way of saying no more than 4 points on your license. I wouldn t talk about it unless they ask. Just let them pull your driving record and make the decision. I actually got hired for a job once that I had too many points for because they hired me before pulling my driving record haha. 8 points for a single speeding ticket though? Ouch. In Ohio vehicular homicide is only 6! | 2015-05-22 16:40:32 | 5 | Career Decision - Tesla vs. Ford | 7,683 |
Model S 60 should I go for it now? | So after the recent news about superchargers I am debating on getting my Model S now while supercharger is still free. This car will be my vehicle for road trips and around town. I don t go too far. furthest is San Diego to Santa Cruz maybe once an year. Would love to take this car to Zion though as well. My question becomes is it worth it to buy it now or wait till the possible solar roof comes. Im looking for input from current Tesla owners or people about to pull trigger. How many Tesla owners use superchargers like gas stations? Before its asks financially ok just always scared to spend so much money at once. | 2016-11-08 22:56:33 | 5 | If you want to buy - do it now. The solar roof won t be terribly useful (at least not compared to free supercharging). Plus with Tesla - if you re always waiting for the next big thing you ll never jump in. Now you get AP 2.0 and free SC. That s pretty awesome. | 2016-11-08 22:59:23 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 12,524 |
Energy density in battery cells | Hello I was looking into tesla and their battery pack. But I dont understand why them make them out of cylindrical cells. I understand the upside of having several smaller cells hooked up to create a large battery. So that if oneo f the small cells malfunction it wont really affect the battery. However i dont understand why the cells are cylindrical instead of square or hexagonal. A cylindrical body only uses 79% of its possible volume when stacked with other cylindrical entities. However a square cell would use 100 % of its possible volume (in theory there is always small gaps) so why not make hexagonal cells? | 2020-02-17 15:25:57 | 22 | They have the most surface area in contact with the heating cooling system. The space is actually used very effectively for heating and cooling. Also I assume manufacturing of cylindrical cells is easier and cost of materials is lower but I m not 100% sure why. I have some ideas. | 2020-02-17 15:30:54 | 49 | Tesla Battery Production Optimization | 6,015 |
Why should Tesla start Selling Cars in Turkey? (with Numbers!) | Hello guys My name is Arda and I am from Turkey I am a die hard car guy and also a tesla fan. We have a Volvo XC60 right now (which we love btw). But the clock is getting closer to 100k km mark and we always change cars before 100k so I let the market search marathon begin. We have a budget of 300k TL(turkish lira) which is 102k euros or $116k. You may think that I should be able to buy whatever I want with that amount but read on... In Turkey there are 2 taxes added on cars: KDV(VAT) and OTV. (You add KDV to the price including OTV) KDV is always %18 on the other hand OTV depends on the engine size. Taxes: http: imgur.com B0Yuvlr Now you know what makes me write this loooong text. I have compared Tesla Model S to other cars. But u should note that Tesla doesnt sell any cars in Turkey and these are estimated prices. (That is why I have read 25 pages of law to calculate the approximate price. ) Comparison: http: imgur.com MsQ5uqd Lets say that I have calculated those Tesla Model S prices wrong raise it 10k-20k Euro up nothing changes. Looking at those prices I decided that I will wait for Tesla to start selling cars here in Turkey. First Supercharger in Turkey will open later this year and next year they are planning to have Superchargers at 6 different locations in Turkey connecting to network of Superchargers in Europe. I am aware that this is not easy as i explain it. But it is worth considering. And also I can literally beg Elon Musk to start at least consider bringing Tesla to Turkey. Tesla is constantly expanding in Europe. I love them both product wise and also business wise. I have done all this work to show you and Tesla that Turkey has a huge potential. [TL:DR] In Turkey Tesla Model S(all electric cars actually) cost much less than other brands because of a huge tax advantage. I think Tesla should take this opportunity. Sources: https: www.kosifleroto.com.tr BMW-fiyat-listesi-1.aspx http: my.teslamotors.com en_EU models design http: www.mevzuat.gov.tr MevzuatMetin 1.5.197.pdf http: www.turkcar.com arac-otv-oranlari ----------- PART 2 ----------- I will give you guys even more information why Tesla in Turkey is so compelling: -Turkey has the world s most expensive oil and gas. (Because of Turkish Lira losing value now we have the world s 6th most expensive oil) http: tr.globalpetrolprices.com gasoline_prices -Companies such as Mercedes Bmw began producing luxury class cars with 1.6l engine just because of the tax advantage. (There is a new law suggestion about a tax raise on luxury cars with 1.6l engine) -Electric prices in Turkey is pretty low. Here is a comparison http: imgur.com gUlHU1M -Especially during night hours electric prices go even lower meaning charging your Tesla over night is even more cheap! -Turkey is building its first Nuclear Power Plant electric prices can get even lower. -4571 luxury (E Segment) vehicles have been sold between January 2015 and April 2015. Tesla Model S falls in this category. http: www.odd.org.tr folders 2837 categorial1docs 1178 BasinBulteni%206%20May%C4%B1s%202015.pdf -Another important point thanks to u floydian5 : You forgot to mention another tax which is MTV. (Motored Vehicles Tax) which is a semi annual tax you pay depending on your car s age and engine size. For a BMW 520d with a 1998cc engine that tax is around 1.2K turkish liras ( ~$500) For electric cars however that tax is zero . Yes nil. | 2015-05-16 21:02:56 | 20 | Welcome and great post. If those numbers are true then the case for Tesla in Turkey is compelling. | 2015-05-17 00:12:48 | 3 | Tesla Model Y Purchase Consideration | 23,568 |
Finding the first redditor receiving his new Model 3 | Now that the official delivery estimator is live (remember: https: 3.tesla.com model3 delivery-estimate) let s see who among us is receiving his her Model 3 first! Just add a comment with your confirmed date. An screenshot is good if you claim to be among the first ones. Maybe makes sense to distinguish between employees (if they have NDA and can t talk openly about it) and regular customers but let s see who is going to be the first! | 2017-07-29 18:22:42 | 34 | Sept - Nov 2017 I ll be on here for sure when I receive mine. | 2017-07-29 18:25:49 | 67 | Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences | 6,647 |
Model 3 Roof Racks | Are they removable regularly? There are times when I d love to have them (I just brought a garage door home in the most amusing way possible) but I don t want them attached all the time. Could I put them on for one trip and remove them when I don t need then anymore without damaging the car? | 2019-07-06 00:08:16 | 6 | There are definitely easier on off roof racks than this one. You have to put these clear stickers down to protect the paint and pry up some of the rubber stripping to get the bolts in. Not impossible but enough of an inconvenience that I haven t tried to take them off yet. I m thinking I ll just swap them seasonally. | 2019-07-06 00:19:16 | 2 | Hitch Bike Rack Review | 11,940 |
How does model Y know to select correct driver profile? | Wife and I are on a road trip with her model y. Both our phones are connected as keys with their own seat profile selected. I drove the first leg of the trip. My profile was selected. My phone was on the left of the charger l hers on the right. Stopped at a super charger. I got out she got out (car never locked and our phones remained in the car in their same position). I got in the passenger side and When she opened the door to the drivers side her profile was selected. I didn t notice it that much at first because I was swapping the phones from one side of the charger to the next. But we both thought wow. So she drove two legs of the trip and then we said ok let s try this again. We left her phone on the driver side. Mine on the passenger. We both got out. I walked to the driver side and it selected my profile. How?????!!!! I thought it was based off who s phone is the closest to the car when opening it s connected. How did the car know to switch profiles? I have some speculation that it s using the cameras as some sort of profiling id but I doubt that........just random luck both times?????? | 2020-11-16 03:26:32 | 37 | If you figure out why this is please let me know. Because my MY does not do this. I have to manually select my driver profile every time if my wife was the last person to drive. | 2020-11-16 04:01:56 | 28 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 8,239 |
Tesla opened the Model 3 Configurator to non-reservation holders July 2018 12 months after production started | Many people seem to forget it took about a year of Model 3 production till Tesla opened the Configurator to those without a reservation. Those who are wondering if they should put a deposit on a Model Y if you want one of the early available versions putting a deposit early probably will give priority at least till they ramp up production. If it s similar to the Model 3 ramp it could be around 6-9 months advantage. However being an early adopter may mean you have to deal with build quality issues. Those who want a SR Y probably have no advantage in putting a deposit down. | 2019-03-18 03:51:45 | 29 | I doubt that the ramp will be as problematic for the Y since the car is so similar to the existing Model 3. You may need to wait a few months but nonetheless I doubt it ll be the year long wait. Obviously if you can t stand to be anything except the very first then put your reservation down now. Personally I think they made some good changes to the 3 over the first year to improve wind noise improve seat comfort etc. so I d probably rather wait for a later Y than the first ones off the line. | 2019-03-18 04:21:26 | 12 | Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences | 20,066 |
Discussion: Weekly Q& A thread | So I just for the first time posted to the q& a thread and noticed it says at the top that it will get posted every Friday. Does that mean no one will notice a posted question until Friday? That seems pretty pointless. With all the rules about what not to post in the main sub sometimes I really wonder just what it is that people DO want posted here in the main sub... | 2017-10-04 16:31:32 | 8 | No the post will get refreshed on Friday morning. Meaning it s available and accessible for an entire week to be answered. We ve been lenient with questions we re trying to determine what is going to push folks to use the weeklies more. | 2017-10-04 16:56:03 | 2 | Growth and Moderation of r/teslamotors | 5,176 |
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Figured you guys get a kick out of this one!!! | You should hear comments people made at the race track!!! Some good and some ...well not so kind. (but that s Tesla....people either get it or not). Don t have exact numbers but I lost between 30% to 40% more charge towing 2000lbs (2x400lbs in motorcycles and uhaul list empty trailer at 1200lbs) Otherwise its a beast at times I forgot I was even towing. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it jkhe35fjlyl31.jpg?width=1540& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=ba2d32973345e77405c8d963f21fefa42a550feb | 2019-09-11 12:33:48 | 63 | Now you just need electric bikes! | 2019-09-11 13:05:29 | 23 | Hitch Bike Rack Review | 6,590 |
PSA for those with voice command BT audio or LTE issues | Ever since I got the v10 firmware update I started having issues with the voice command crashing my bluetooth audio connection and audio from streaming. I also experienced LTE connectivity cycling on and off frequently despite having full bars. My vehicle is a 2017 Model S 100D with MCU1 and AP2.5 **Tesla service remotely performed a cellular modem database rebuild and reflashed the bluetooth voice command module and it fixed all of the problems I had!** Note: When they did this it erased all of my Bluetooth devices and WiFi connections that were stored so I had to re-add them afterwards. No big deal! Also when you contact service they will need to know the timestamp of when you encountered the problem so they can check your vehicle logs to verify the problem. | 2019-10-31 18:31:24 | 45 | Does this fix the random Spotify stream stops with infinite spinner? | 2019-10-31 22:02:47 | 15 | Spotify Integration Analysis | 14,750 |
[Discussion]Perpendicular Auto Park How to | I ve been experimenting with auto park for perpendicular parking situations and have only had it identify a potential spot once. That spot didn t seem to be any different than all of the other spots I ve tried. There must be some kind of trick that I m not doing ? The spots that aren t being recognized seem to meet all the criteria and I m definitely going the right speed as I approach. Any hints ? I haven t tried parallel yet. | 2018-07-09 16:24:43 | 20 | After 2018.24.1 suddenly it started seeing parking spots for me (it was very hard previously) Not sure if it was actually improved in this update but I couldn t for the life of me get it to reliably work prior to this. | 2018-07-09 16:30:03 | 11 | Issues with Smart Summon | 25,021 |
Cape Cod EV Car Show. Need Tesla Owners! | Cape Air(these guys: https: electrek.co 2019 06 18 eviation-electric-cape-air ) is having a big EV car show(and more) at the Cape Cod Airport: http: capecodevcarshow.com and is looking for Tesla owners to participate volunteer or just show up and check out the show. Currently there is only one Tesla owner registered to attend. C mon Tesla owners...It s Free there s Free Food and it s on beautiful Cape Cod(off season so traffic fine). There are 3 Supercharger locations on Cape(Sagamore Mashpee Orleans) and plenty of L2 charging(Doubletree near airport has one Tesla destination charger and one non Tesla destination charge) in the area. This is going to be super fun and all the heads of every sustainable energy organization will be there. RSVP here: https: driveelectricweek.org event.php?eventid=2014 | 2019-09-03 13:11:27 | 41 | In the future you won t need owners... the cars will simply drive themselves to shows. | 2019-09-03 14:26:08 | 15 | Tesla Factory Tour Restrictions | 3,655 |
Tesla Battery Size via API? | Does anybody know if you can somehow extract a tesla cars battery capacity via an api or a serial numbers? Apparently smartcar has some kind of API that does this tho I still have to try it out. Wonder if they use a static table for each model or are able to programmatically get it somehow. Any ideas? | 2021-11-13 18:48:14 | 32 | You can get a lot of interesting data from the [Charge State](https: tesla-api.timdorr.com vehicle state chargestate) endpoint of the API but to get the exact kWh you ll need to read the CAN bus with something like [Scan My Tesla](https: www.scanmytesla.com ) which requires installing a wiring harness to tap into the car s CAN bus and a Bluetooth dongle to transmit it to the app. If you only have API access you can still work out the car s current (nominal remaining) and maximum (nominal full) capacity in kWh to a high degree of accuracy (±0.1 kWh) using clever measurements of the range and state of charge data and averaging several measurements during a charging session. To start with you need to know that Model 3 Y (at least the non-LFP packs) use a resizable bottom buffer value of 4.5% of Nominal Full rounded to 0.1 kWh. Nominal Remaining kWh and State of Charge are linked according to the formula: SOC = (Nominal Remaining - Buffer) (Nominal Full - Buffer) Usable and Usable Remaining kWh are just the Nominal Full and Nominal Remaining values minus the Buffer amount. What actually happens is the BMS first determines a SOC value using the measured pack voltage by plotting it to a known Li-Ion charging curve and then works out the Nominal Remaining using the last accurate estimation of Nominal Full (itself a measurement of Amp-hour change between two different states of charge) but assuming that estimate hasn t changed the math for SOC can be used both ways for our purposes. The car rounds this SOC to whole numbers (integers) in the *battery_level* value in the API and in the car s GUI while reading the CAN bus value will give you a more accurate result based on the above formula. If you poll the *battery_range* API endpoint you ll get your rated range value in miles and rounded to two decimal places. If you then watch the value during an AC charging session you ll see that it always increments by fixed amounts in the case of my car it changes by ~0.42-0.43 miles per increment. The significance of this amount is that it s the equivalent of 0.1 kWh worth of range at whatever the car s hard-coded rated efficiency number is. If you watch this value over a long enough charging session you can make a strikingly accurate guess at your car s rated efficiency - in the case of my 310 mile rated range 2018 Model 3 AWD it works out to 234 Wh mi (±0.1). Knowing this you can then guess at the undegraded usable capacity of your car through multiplying the original rated range by efficiency: 310 miles * 234 Wh mi = 72.54 kWh Add back in the 4.5% bottom buffer and you get Nominal Full kWh without degradation 72.54 kWh 0.955 = 75.96 kWh This was in fact the value as reported in my car s CAN bus when I started to notice battery degradation. As I commented [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qt7hnu tesla_battery_size_via_api hkhvena ) my car reports a Full Pack When New of 77.8 kWh and for almost a full year of ownership I saw no degradation so it likely came from the factory closer to 77.8 kWh and was slightly overprovisioned as measured by the rated range and efficiency mark and then clamped to 100% until it dropped below 75.9 kWh and started showing degradation. So now that you have an equivalent measurement for Usable Remaining kWh in the form of the current range and known efficiency you can work out the car s current maximum (100% charged) range (and from that the full Usable kWh) by taking any current range measurement and dividing by the current SOC. This is how the Tesla app TeslaFi and other third party utilities track max range and degradation using just the API data but a single measurement is error prone due to rounding errors and especially the magnification of those errors at low SOCs. To get around this you can periodically sample hundreds or thousands of measurements during a charging session where both the range and SOC are increasing at roughly constant rate and average the result to get a very accurate estimate of your car s current maximum range to within about 0.5 miles (the minimum change value of 0.1 kWh at your car s rated efficiency). Knowing your car s present maximum range now divide by your original rated range (e.g. 310 miles in the case of my car) to work out a battery health figure as a percent. 100% minus the health gets your current amount of degradation. Then take either the undegraded usable or nominal full capacities we figured out earlier multiplied by current health to work out your current Usable or Nominal Full kWh. I ve been using this method for the better part of two years and it s always been extremely close to the data I can pull from the CAN bus but don t just take my word for it let me show my work: Here s my car s last API reading from [Charge State](https: tesla-api.timdorr.com vehicle state chargestate): battery_level : 90 battery_range : 260.73 Using the single data point 100% range = 260.73 0.90 = 289.7 miles. 289.7 310 gives a battery health figure of 93.45%. Using the more accurate health figure I generated from my last charging session which lasted 2h5m and generated 1500 samples my battery health is 93.48% and my maximum range is 289.8 miles. Using my car s predetermined hard-coded efficiency value of 234 Wh mi 289.8 miles works out to 67.8 kWh Usable. Adding the 4.5% bottom buffer back in 67.8 0.955 = 71.0 kWh. Looking at my car s CAN data this is exactly the amount of Nominal Full kWh right now (rounded to 0.1). One other thing worth noting: the API and GUI value for charge_energy_added is inaccurate for Model 3 (and I assume Y) and has been for years. Compared to the CAN data the value it gives has been inflated by 4.5% not coincidentally the same amount as the bottom buffer. I believe some Tesla engineer miscoded the formula a while back and the bug was never caught an easy oversight if they calculated it using SOC change multiplied by Nominal Full kWh instead of using the proper Usable kWh. | 2021-11-13 22:03:59 | 56 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 18,422 |
Cold Weather | I live in Northern NY near the Canadian border. I m thinking of buying a Model 3. Anyone with experience driving Teslas in extreme cold weather? It easily hits minus 20 Fahrenheit for a week at a time up here. I heard rumors of decreased range battery life. | 2019-07-30 19:20:15 | 7 | Decreased range yes but just keep it plugged in and it will keep itself happy. Will use quite a bit of your battery to keep it warm if you don t plug it in. | 2019-07-30 19:29:16 | 14 | Tesla Supercharger Road Trips | 3,975 |
How long does “camera calibration” usually take? | I ve driven over 300 miles in two days in my brand new S75 and EAP is still not activated. From what I can find online this seems to be rather excessive as cameras usually calibrate within 30-100 miles. Any ideas? I ve left it off while charging off while not charging and driven it on highways and A roads with plenty of clear markings. Bonus: what is happening during “calibration”? I don t understand why it s necessary. Double-bonus: my model S was made in June: how can I tell if it s AP2.0 or AP2.5? | 2017-09-24 15:53:21 | 16 | Is EAP even enabled? I bought mine with EAP but somehow it wasn t enabled at all. I could use CC but no TACC for example. I couldn t summon let alone enable AP. I called the service center they checked with me (there were no TACC Summon etc options visible in the car) and then they enabled it remotely by pushing an update even though the version I was on should ve had those options too they weren t visible usable until the SC did something (and with it the update came I guess). Edit: dug up the [original post](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-versie-8-1.82324 page-26#post-2110040). It s in dutch unfortunately but [a google translate](https: translate.google.com translate?sl=nl& tl=en& js=y& prev=_t& hl=en& ie=UTF-8& u=https%3A%2F%2Fteslamotorsclub.com%2Ftmc%2Fthreads%2Fsoftware-versie-8-1.82324%2Fpage-26%23post-2110040& edit-text=& act=url) should help you understand the post (and thread there s more posts of me (like [this one](https: translate.google.com translate?sl=nl& tl=en& js=y& prev=_t& hl=en& ie=UTF-8& u=https%3A%2F%2Fteslamotorsclub.com%2Ftmc%2Fthreads%2Fsoftware-versie-8-1.82324%2Fpage-26%23post-2110040& edit-text=& act=url) leading up to it). | 2017-09-24 15:57:53 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 8,388 |
AP1 vs AP2 comparison | Have been reading lots of agony about AP2 and was extremely curious how it would hold up. Then opportunity arose: Owned a 2015 AP1 Model S (P90DL). 25k+ miles and extensive AP1 usage then totaled by an idiot in July. Replaced with a 2017 AP2 Model S (P100DL) in September just took it on a 5 000 mile road trip. I can provide some OS versions but in brief there are multiple and both cars kept current over both time periods. * *AP2 appears substantially better in some circumstances worse in others.* * In any conditions both autopilots would sometimes generate bizarre inexplicable steering inputs that would be frightening to passengers and potentially deadly without proper driver supervision. *AP2 seemed more likely to do this in some conditions less likely in others.* * I found current AP2 usable enough for me as an AP1 replacement for a 5 000 mile drive including across many types of roads and at high speeds (80mph speed limits) * Better: * AP1 would *reliably* wig out and swerve at the crests of hills AP2 *never* does this * AP2 seems to look further down the road and make sense of some turn-in turn-out lane markings better than AP1 * AP2 changes lanes more decisively and accurately than AP1 (though neither system reliably knew when it could) * Worse: * AP2 has trouble with some types of lane markings while AP1 was rock solid across a wider variety. I think this explains why some folks hate AP2 especially in Canada or certain parts of the US: it would come down to your frequently used roads * E.g. AP2 performed poorly on LA Freeways (lanes marked with black-white-black dashes triple lines at HOV boundaries) seeming to continuously wobble where it decided the lane boundaries were (and thus wobbly steering inputs) and also more likely to fail altogether * 100% traditional markings meanwhile produced consistently great results on AP2 * AP2 seems more sensitive to road marking quality as well as type and more apt to wander and wobble the steering when conditions are poor * AP2 performs worse when jolted by bumps and uneven road surfaces and more likely to lose the road without supervision when jolted * AP2 seems much less apt to follow the car in front choosing instead to rely on lines leading to less accurate steering when stopped or in very slow traffic if set to follow closely (when lines are obscured). Only *once* did I see the car in front of me light up blue vs. this being the norm in AP1. Overall performance in traffic (the absolute best application of the current technology IMO) was still OK. * Stuttery false-alarm braking when encountering other vehicles seems more common in AP2 than AP1 I didn t find this a major problem because the braking inputs are faint. Just interesting. My guess is that Tesla did not do as good a job as MobileEye in the diversity of road markings and conditions they used for neural network training. Overall I found AP2 *more* reliable than AP1 when roads (whether highways or local roads) were conventionally formatted well-maintained and well-marked. Meanwhile it was *much less* reliable in some conditions (any tweaks to USDOT standard road markings bad weather uneven road surfaces). As an aside for both systems I find myself wondering if Tesla or anyone will be capable of teaching the system to recognize and avoid rocks and potholes. As a human driving on deteriorating US roads I find myself routinely making tiny steering adjustments (95% well within my lane) to avoid running the wheels over things that will flatten tires. Both autopilots will happily wreck the wheels. Even if the software could do it I wonder if the current sensor suite is even sensitive enough to manage it? Hope this is helpful. | 2017-10-09 16:31:48 | 174 | Thanks! I totally agree with your observations as someone who has around 15k miles on both AP1 and AP2. Overall I find AP2 more “correct” than AP1 in most scenarios though universally AP2 makes more sudden corrections and feels “swimmy”.... it definitely bothers some drivers and passengers though in terms of raw correctness (eg did it depart the lane or otherwise do anything unsafe) AP2 is quite good these days. The biggest exceptions in my experience: - AP2 cannot deal with “conflict lane lines” gracefully. For example double or triple lane lines like some HOV lanes or thick black grooves near a real lane line. I find this makes AP2 rapidly bounce between plausible sets of lane lines. - AP2 cannot handle intersections without lane markings. Instead of trusting the car in front AP2 can suddenly read an invalid lane line and suddenly steer in some direction. I just finished a 600 mile trip and found AP2 to be much more capable than AP1 in the ability to handle sharp mountain curves at 80+mph when AP1 would ve departed the lane above 60mph. | 2017-10-09 17:24:20 | 28 | Tesla Autopilot Performance | 1,119 |
PSA: Deadline to select Referral awards changed to Feb 28th! | I m pretty religious about this sub and haven t seen this posted anywhere but i just checked my loot box and now it s saying we have until Feb 28th to select awards. Previously it was May 1st so this is a big change and i feel is worth warning people about - don t miss out! Apparently i have to add more text or I can t post this so lets guess as to why they maybe did this...hoping someone forgets to select yes i d like a roadster or maybe not redeeming the % off they have accrued somehow? Either way seems Tesla wants to be done with the referral program as quickly as possible! Source: [https: www.tesla.com support referral-program](https: www.tesla.com support referral-program) | 2019-02-12 04:02:50 | 52 | Welp. Been trying to get into contact with the referral team with regards to redeeming the Powerwall 2 (which is bugged out for me) and they just told me to contact Tesla Energy. When I got into contact with them they said to contact the referral team... Hopefully I can get it done soon... | 2019-02-12 04:17:23 | 15 | Tesla Referral Program Issues | 14,800 |
Jeda Tesla Model Y USB Hub Update | Just received an email looks like Jeda has been doing their homework with Munro and Associates with their new Model Y hub: Hello XXXXX As many of you may know our Model Y hubs were postponed for a period due to technical bottlenecks our team was working through. We re happy to say that we have worked through many of the issues we had with the Model Y ports. Why was the Model Y more difficult? The internal engineering and power distribution delivery was completely different from the Model 3 and exhibited very unique behavior with the USB C ports. As such as we had to work on new PCB boards and electronics and test countless board after another to create a perfect working hub. We realized we could not do this alone. So one big thing we have done since our last email update is we have enlisted the help of Munro and Associates to get all the specs necessary for the Model Y Hub. What does this do? it provides the blueprint we need to provide the best hub possible. This is exciting news and great news too - because we re not simply chancing anything we re working on a technically sound safe and reliable product which we KNOW will work because we designed it around the internals. We don t want to provide ETA s and miss the mark as we ve already done that. We will be finalizing the last few tests we need to complete this week and then will be able to provide concrete ETA s in our next email. We are offering cancellations and are happy to cancel should you not want to wait. You are welcome to reorder when our ship dates are finalized in our next email. We know that any product made for this purpose for the Model Y and new Model 3 will require the same vigilant testing (since the internal electronics are vastly different) and we feel confident we are the only ones that will be able to provide a safe tested and proven USB Hub in the upcoming month. *Our products are tested for safety efficient power delivery and overall performance. We will not compromise on ensuring we deliver a product which meets those standards.* Thank you for your patience with us and our team and please reach out anytime about your order. | 2020-06-22 16:14:27 | 8 | Jeda is an absolute trash company. Anyone still buying their products deserves the grift. I naively bought their wireless charger and it didn t work (as in it was broken and didn t deliver power). I emailed them and they responded about 2 weeks later with a list of troubleshooting things (shit like checking the cable connections etc). Id done all that and tell them it just flat out doesn t work it doesn t charge the phone at all. They said they needed video proof of me “troubleshooting” before they could accept a return (which would be shipped back on my dime of course). I said absolutely not and to give me an RMA number and they never responded to an email since then. Ended up doing a charge back which was finally granted after a couple months of “investigating”. | 2020-06-22 16:40:15 | 26 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic | 10,325 |
Need to replace my passenger side mirror. | Parked in a pretty tight spot today and came back with my passenger side mirror cracked and no other damages. Someone must ve clipped my mirror with their mirror. When I came back the right spot was empty so the guy obviously drove off without leaving any info. Anyway I m trying to figure out the best course of action. Should I order a replacement one from eBay and have a local mechanic put it in? Or go directly to the tesla shop and pay them what I m assuming will be significantly more than my first option? | 2017-05-20 19:28:25 | 17 | Call Tesla s SC and ask? It might be cheaper than you think. And 3rd party shop may try to squeeze rich Tesla s owner. https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads bad-repair-experience-tesla-needs-to-open-up.86910 We charge the higher rate because of the high cost of being certified. We have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in tools equipment and training in order to work on Teslas. There just aren t enough Teslas out there to recoup that investment at $50.00 hr. **Tesla has also dropped all of their parts costs down to ridiculous amounts** so there is no profit there making it more difficult to receive any return on investment. These cars are also more difficult to repair and are more time consuming as compared to other cars. | 2017-05-20 20:25:59 | 11 | Tesla Service Experience Feedback | 13,717 |
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