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bdz9fw | Exclusively Charging from Superchargers | I am 90% sold on buying a used Model 3 but I live at an apartment complex that refuses to put in EV charging. There are VERY few EV chargers where I live other than one 8 bay Supercharger. I was curious if there were any Tesla owners that don t have the means to charge at home and if there are any adverse effects you have seen from charging exclusively from Superchargers? | MadManWithBox10 | 2019-04-16 21:10:18 | 25 | el1xy1y | 30k miles of almost exclusive sc usage here. No degradation and still pulling 120 at SCs EDIT: Battery health check came back looking good. They said it s actually degrading better than average for model 3s. | clutchdump | 2019-04-16 21:39:34 | 51 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
hxqpj5 | Excruciating high-pitched whine | I took delivery of a Model Y 2 days ago (an early July build w VIN #22XXX) and am encountering a problem w a very high-pitched whine (the best analogue that comes to mind is it sounds like a dental implement) from what I believe to be the rear motor. It typically consists of a high-pitched whine that correlates with pedal input above a certain speed persists at certain speeds pulsing beeping of sorts et cetera. We didn t hear this in either of the demo Model Ys we test drove. And this is definitely not something I ve experienced in my Model 3 dual motor AWD. It s so egregious that despite how much I love my Model 3 and generally advocate Tesla to others I wouldn t have opted into this vehicle for my wife at all. Had a test drive been part of delivery acceptance it also wouldn t have been accepted. The earliest available service appointment I could get scheduled is the 31st. That concerns me given it s outside the 7 day return window and I really have no appetite for a protracted battle w Tesla over whether this is within spec or not. I also really have no desire to desire to return it and be returned to the queue since the vehicle is otherwise in a good enough state (it has a few trim & seat alignment issues that I expect ought be routine to adjust). Has anyone here encountered or better yet achieved resolution on this? Here s a link to what I hear (w a low cut filter applied to separate from tire road noise): [Model Y High Pitched Whine](https: www.dropbox.com s 7sy16wddy9wv8se Tesla%20Model%20Y%20High%20Pitched%20Whine%20-%20July%202020.mp3?dl=0) For reference also another thread on Tesla Motors Club on this topic: [https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 4865301 ](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 4865301 ) | blecchus_rex | 2020-07-25 17:38:24 | 13 | fz9n7qo | Exact same issue resolved by service center. 1337x VIN June build Y. Rear motor whine between 30-50mph. First appointment available after purchase to resolve minor finish issues and the whine. Issue was first described by service as a missing “battery to body seal” that was allowing the noise into cabin. After a few days for parts and other work they called to say they had to wait for special jack stands from Fremont to drop the HV battery and get to the penthouse seal location. Evidently this was the first for the Y. After repairs tech said it was a seal around in the penthouse allowing the noise. Issue was completely resolved. Very happy with the car and the service experience despite how extreme this repair seems to have been. End of quarter car oh well 🤷🏻♂️ Just checked part replaced: SEAL PERIMETER PENTHOUSE MDL3(1467057-00-C) | Vxtus | 2020-07-26 03:21:57 | 12 | Tesla Model 3 Audio Experience |
2s5c1q | Executive Rear Seats. | did you guys all see the new Executive Rear Seats. ??? http: static04.www.teslamotors.com sites default files configurator MODELS_20150111 1440 UI ui_option_executive_second_row_seats_large.jpg this is now available on Model S | the_inka | 2015-01-12 08:29:52 | 61 | cnmcepk | ) | Reading_is_Cool | 2015-01-12 09:04:00 | 17 | Car seat configurations in Tesla |
fhapbk | Existing inventory P3D FSD are $8k cheaper than an identical custom ordered one right now. | Browsing the existing inventory you can get a P3D for 57k with white interior and FSD included. Specing one out new brings the price to $65k I just purchased mine 3 months ago for $66k so ouch. Lucky for whoever can buy one right now. Zip code 20152 within 200 miles. I m tempted to try and flip one we ll see. Adding a few more lines of text here so auto-mod doesn t delete. Damn I wish I waited a couple months to save over $8k and not have to wait the 9 weeks I had to. https: www.tesla.com inventory new m3?TRIM=LRAWDP& PAINT=WHITE& INTERIOR=PREMIUM_WHITE& arrangeby=plh& zip=20152& range=200 | teh_bakedpotato | 2020-03-12 04:22:59 | 51 | fk9yw7l | aaaand they re all sold. Part of me wishes Tesla made an error in the listing and I didn t miss out. | teh_bakedpotato | 2020-03-12 04:25:36 | 21 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
hdbpkn | Existing order with higher solar prices | Hey everyone I have an open order with tesla to get solar in IL. It s pending permit and I saw the prices have dropped about $2k this past week. Will tesla revise my existing order or do I need to cancel and restart the whole process? It seems like a huge waste of time to have them come out again and create a new solar panel design when we are ready to go with the existing. I ask bc I ve been through this once already with them and had to cancel reorder last time. Prices keep dropping! :D | pazdan | 2020-06-21 18:21:31 | 20 | fvknjb6 | Went through this myself. I contacted them and they said I have two options: 1. Keep the order going keep the same equipment pay full price but request a rebate for a price correction. 2. Lose the work you ve done and request a re-design with the new panels and pricing. Option 2 made more sense to me as I JUST moved into my house and don t have a bill yet (required for permitting). | TheCandyManisHere | 2020-06-21 21:05:22 | 13 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
51ftsf | Expect to see R+D gains from the Model 3 incorporated into the Model S before Model 3 released. | This happened with the X too. e.g. they developed dual-motor for the X and decided it was good enough to build into the Model S straight away. This also means Tesla see return on their R+D quicker. The new P100D (if I understand it right) has a re-designed battery pack with higher energy density and better cooling that is based on what is being developed for the Model 3. This means that by the time the Model 3 is released the Model S might have improved quite a lot in terms of range etc. Which would then justify the price difference. | rosinchard | 2016-09-06 15:43:32 | 57 | d7blglb | I wonder if new tech from the Model 3 interior dash might find it s way into the S X starting early next year. | purestevil | 2016-09-06 15:47:36 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
f8usnw | Expectations for FSD | There s been a lot of talk on here lately about what FSD is going to be once released. While hope springs eternal let s consider the minimum functionality Tesla could release and still say they delivered FSD as promised. I think that means NOA extended to city streets. What does this look like? The car can prompt you to change lanes as needed. It can stop at stoplights and stop signs although it may need driver input to go again (tapping the accelerator). It can navigate a left or right turn with the same confidence (or lack of) that Smart Summon moves with now (someone made the analogy to a 15 year old with a learner s permit). It would likely need driver confirmation that it is all clear to start the turn. Like the current highway NOA it is mostly fine on its own but there are times it would cause an accident without driver input especially during complicated or high-traffic situations. That s more or less my expectation of what FSD when initially released will be. I also think there s only a limited amount it will be able to advance beyond that with the car s current sensor configuration. Do you agree? How disappointed would you be if that s indeed what FSD will mean for those that already purchased it? | sierpinski99 | 2020-02-24 17:36:54 | 53 | finnotf | > That s more or less my expectation of what FSD when initially released will be. You should have 0 expectations. Previously hyped parts of FSD like Smart Summon are still mostly party-tricks and full FSD is very unlikely to be any different. | wootnootlol | 2020-02-24 17:51:33 | 64 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
c9pynd | Expectations of a new owner. | So I m super close to taking the plunge. I am still teetering between the model S lexus IS and BMW 3 series. The only reservations I m having regarding the tesla is inconvenience. How difficult can it be to charge? I own my home so charging at home wouldn t be a problem. But other than that what are some issues I could run in. Basically what are the cons of owning a tesla? | ILUZI0N | 2019-07-06 05:28:22 | 19 | et16dg1 | Test drive them. Answer will be easy. Until you drive a Tesla you won t truly understand. | kdubstep | 2019-07-06 05:54:25 | 41 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
epiuf3 | Expected 2020 Incentives and Updates? | With the federal tax incentives now expired and no help from my state I m reluctant to pull the trigger on a new Tesla without insights into programs in the works. Also curious about rumored battery tech updates. Q1 2020 seems like the worst financial climate in years to buy an EV but this is when my current EV lease ends. Any info floating around? | outofthebliss | 2020-01-16 12:44:06 | 34 | fejmlib | > Q1 2020 seems like the worst financial climate in years to buy an EV Really only for Tesla and to a lesser extent GM. Everyone else still has the full $7 500. But yes it s now time for EVs to stand on their own without subsidy. The Model 3 is fully competitive at $40k without subsidy IMO. | engineerbro22 | 2020-01-16 13:06:10 | 33 | EV Tax Credit Impact |
4zzkm7 | Expected supercharger load | Does anyone know of a place where I can find a graph of the amperage my car should be getting from 0-100%? I know there are other variables but I d like to see what the optimum should be given that the supercharger is in perfect order and I start my charge at 0% in ideal temperature. Yesterday I was at the supercharger with my 70d and I was going from 25% - 50%. I started charging at the 25% mark with 300amp and by the 50% I was getting 40amps which seemed a bit low to me. The readout that said to charge at the supercharger for 10min to continue my trip never decreased unlike other times when I get a message that I can continue driving. | clone_me | 2016-08-28 14:23:34 | 16 | d6zzuul | Check some other forums something is going on with lots of superchargers that dramatically drop power after charging for a bit. The solution usually involves moving to another stall. I had this at Truckee Brockway last weekend . | geo38 | 2016-08-28 15:03:44 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
frhatu | Experience - Tesla 3rd Party Contactless Delivery | I will start out by saying that this is my first Tesla and my first EV. I have been a reservation holder in one way shape or form since 2017 and while circumstances had me pass on my Model 3 reservation the time was right to take delivery of a new Model Y. Everything was set and I had a date to pick up my car in Nashville (about 3 hours from me) earlier this week...and then the Coronavirus happened Since Im the breadwinner in the house leaving one shelter in place city to drive to another just to pick up a car seemed a bit egregious. But after speaking with a few folks at Tesla they offered to trailer it to me from Nashville and take my trade-in back with them. So here s my experience and a review of my process - hopefully this helps you if you re in a similar spot. Also if you have any questions about the car or want to see anything in particular (thats not the battery sticker) please let me know and Ill be happy to try and help...Ive got at least another week off due to the virus. Throughout the entire process I spoke with someone at Tesla once. The rest was through text and email - which is OK with me. When we decided to go the delivery route they overnighted me paperwork for me to sign and return back to them - they also asked that I scan the papers and email it to expedite the process. After that it was radio silent until this afternoon. I got a call from a number that I did not recognize which persistently called me until I picked up - when I did a man with a very heavy accent told me that he had my car...was this a hostage situation? He also said that he would be here in an hour which made me thankful that I had nothing better to do. Unfortunately Tesla had given him the wrong address and we had to communicate by text so that he could make his way to me. The Model Y was delivered to my house in an enclosed trailer they took the car out and let me look it over before signing off. They then loaded up my car and that was all she wrote. It felt like a drug deal but in the end I have a Tesla addiction instead of heroin...which is probably for the best. Anyways for those who are more visual - here is an album from the delivery [https: imgur.com a wlHTuhT](https: imgur.com a wlHTuhT) Please let me know if you have any questions. | ClarksonianPause | 2020-03-30 01:05:36 | 93 | flvwwk3 | Dude got passed 2 003 064 grams of Tesla on the down low. | figbuilding | 2020-03-30 02:07:20 | 39 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9pe01m | Experience for my Parents | Hello everyone! My folks are coming into town (Reno Sparks NV) and I have scheduled them a tour of Gigafactory 1 where I work. I d like to try to top off their experience by getting them a ride in a performance Model S or X. Nothing crazy just to take them down the highway so the can feel that sensation when you hit the accelerator. My dad is a contractor for Boeing Lockheed so this is the closest thing I can find to getting him into a fighter jet. For those in Giga you can find my email internally under Scott Folsom. For those outside the company that are willing to help you can PM me and I can send you contact info. Thanks everyone for the consideration! | Legionnaire_Red | 2018-10-18 22:34:19 | 16 | e8120pv | Wholesome Folsom | Tree0wl | 2018-10-18 23:00:32 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
dvxztd | Experience with PowerWall | With all the west coast power outages I m looking at PowerWall or a Jenny from natural gas line. I would prefer to do 2 PowerWalls to complement my 3kW solar panels. 1. Has anyone purchased 2 powerwalls only to discover it underpowered and had to upgrade to 3? 2. I also plan to use it to get nighttime energy rates during the day... but does anyone have experience with the batteries getting wearing out from this constant load unload? 3. Their website shows the batteries stacking up but I thought I heard they each needed their own wall space with each having their own cutoff valve. Not sure if this can be inside or has to be outside? 4. What has the general experience been? Complaints about the app and lack of customization? Anything else I should know jumping into this? | jibjabmikey | 2019-11-13 20:45:41 | 17 | f7ff7nx | PowerWalls get 30% federal tax credit if the inverter is configured only to charge from solar (or utility only when storm watch mode initiated can t daily arbitrage TOU rates). They can be installed outside preferably on a wall without direct solar exposure. If you have more roof space possibly add more panels to cover daytime needs. Panels are cheap max them out. Make sure when you re comparing the PowerWalls (30% federal tax credit + state local utility incentives) to the nat gas generator (no tax credit FYI) that you re including upfront costs interest (cost of capital time value of money) fuel costs (natural gas price volatility) etc so it s apple to apples. | toomuchtodotoday | 2019-11-13 20:48:46 | 6 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
8oengb | Experience with RPM Tesla accessories For Model 3 | I ordered several things from this company for my Model 3. I will provide my review of my experience with each product so far. Ordering: I placed my order on Sunday May 19th. I received confirmation of my order on Monday May 20th. Ordering was relatively straight forward from their website. I paid for the following items: 1) Model 3 Screen Protector - Full Screen or Rectangular 2) Model 3 Console - Matte Black Urethane Xpel Stealth 3) Model 3 Front Door Sill Carbon Fiber - (1Pair) 4) XPEL Universal Door Edge Guard - (12 x 0.38”) 5) Model 3 Windshield Noise Reduction Kit Delivery: After I placed my order I expected to be able to check the status on their website but saw no way to do this. I waited for some confirmation of shipment or an expected delivery date but did not receive one. I emailed them on May 29th requesting an update but did not reply. I called them on May 30th and the woman who answered the phone was very helpful - she said my full order would ship that day. By end of day on the 30th I received an email with a USPS tracking number. The order was delivered on June 1st - 12 days after ordering. Their website clearly states they are going through growth and to expect a 10 day delay for shipment so this is not a major concern. Unboxing: All items I ordered were included. However some of the additional items required for installation were not included. Additional notes below. Installation: I had quite a few challenges with install. In addition to what is noted below for each item all of RPMTesla s videos for wet installs say they provide you with solution mix that you add to water. No such mix was anywhere in my delivery box. 1) Screen Protector: The screen protector delivered is 1 2 inch too wide and 1 4 inch too tall. I placed the top left edge of the protector in the correct location to take the measuresments. Photo attached. 2) It is late - will update this tomorrow. 3) Front Door Sill: In my opinion the cutouts are sloppy. They do not line up with even spacing around the lettering on the sill plate - this is particularly noticeable with the “M” and “3”. Instructions say to follow the video on the website but i could not find a video for installing this specific part anywhere on the rpmtesla website or on their youtube channel. Photo attached 4) it is late - will update this tomorrow 5) Windshield Noise Kit: the installation was going great until the gasket broke where they spliced the two ends together. Photo attached. I m tired and cranky now so I am going to bed. I will work on the last two items from above tomorrow night and update this post. https: imgur.com a kBf0a0O | qu1etus | 2018-06-04 04:45:42 | 30 | e02z816 | imo stay away from RPM Tesla. While they use decent materials their craftsmanship and professionalism is garbage. I placed an order on April 18th and didn t receive anything until May 11th and thats after TWO emails to them. The center dash cup holder cutouts are so laughable - however I decided to install them and hope i could push in the sides of the cup holder. I emailed RPMTesla and he (owner Mark Paolella) proceeds to to be rude and suggest that I know better than him. **Me**: > Thanks for the information however if you look at the pictures I had provided there is no extra overlap to tuck in - it looks like it was not cut in perfect circular shapes. **Mark**: > I looked at all your photos and I don t understand why you would say you don t think I did. > > Regardless inside the cupholder I m talking about where the material is on the aluminum you can just talk that him yes the patterns were not cut circular because they require stretching just like in the video to provide better coverage that s why they were cut oval and they were not cut circular. **Me:** > Sorry I was not saying you didnt look at the pictures but was just saying I have no extra material to tuck in between the layers specially the left side of the inner cup holder > > See the attached (I circle the areas) **Mark**: > I am so lost ? You now want extra material? > > The cup holders are perfect as I designed them. The material ends at the aluminum ring? > > What do you wish looked different ?? I just gave up at that point. I ll stick with abstractocean from now on | andy2na | 2018-06-04 08:11:35 | 27 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
dam45c | Experience with Spotify on V10 | So I have a premium Spotify account but I don t really use it much. I have never streamed it in my M3 because even though I think it is far superior to Slacker Slacker was “good enough” and I liked the convenience of just picking my songs or channels from the screen without having to go through the phone. So I was very excited with we got the native Spotify. I made a single play list and that showed up on my car. (You can tell I am definitely NOT a Spotify Power User). But the channels that I listen to regularly did not show up. I browsed to find a Classic Rock channel then it was available in my past stations list. I quickly got bored and coming back from a small road trip this afternoon I asked my wife to browse for some stations but no search results showed on the screen. I pulled over and had the same problem. So I opened my phone app and found a few that I was interested in and Followed them (first I learned of this feature - as I said not a Power User). But they still did not show on the screen so it was back to Slacker for the hour trip home. When I got home my car connected to the wireless and I went out a little later and checked - the stations I was following were on the screen now. So it seems that one of two things happened. Either it just takes a while for my selections to synch to my account then to the car or it s will only do this while on WiFi even though music streaming works on cellular data The fact that I could not search while on the road suggests that maybe functions other than music are only available while on WiFi Either way something to keep in mind before a long drive - get your music set up before heading out. | DeuceSevin | 2019-09-28 21:26:44 | 50 | f1quah7 | Do you have premium interior? | t0mmyr | 2019-09-28 21:37:37 | 18 | Spotify Gapless Playback |
dl5ggn | Experience with Tesla s insurance | I m considering switching to Tesla s insurance ($296 with Allstate vs. $118 with Tesla) but I d like to know what their end-to-end customer service is like. Would like to hear if anyone has gone through the full process of submitting a claim and getting their car fixed. And if there there are any potential red flags with Tesla s insurance that I should be aware of apart from *Limit of Liability for Family Members and Other Persons* mentioned in [this thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments d8bjcq tesla_insurance_a_request_for_those_that_have ) & #x200B Edit: Additional details to share after some research and speaking with their policy reps. Some might be common knowledge but figured I d note it all: * Permissive use limit of liability - anyone can drive the vehicle under your permission but anyone not listed will have reduced coverage. See [here](https: imgur.com ELHcedh) for the limited coverage. This part sucks and is getting a lot of attention in the thread. * You can add another driver to the policy but they don t have this option included in the purchase process on the site (and no ETA they re working on it ). You have to buy your policy call them to add the other driver and then see how the policy price changes. Tesla assured me that I can get a full refund with no cancellation charge if I m not ok with the price. * They also couldn t provide the fine print terms of the policy until after I purchase it. But again assured me that I can get a full refund if I don t like the terms after I purchase. * Uninsured Motor Property Damage coverage - capped at $3 500. If an uninsured motorist is at fault or you have a hit and run and it s more than $3500 your collision deductible covers the damage. * State National Insurance is their underwriter. * If you want to insure a non Tesla vehicle they refer you to Farmers insurance (which is under State National). * Can add another Tesla vehicle to get a multi-policy discount. * Includes wall charger coverage - $3k coverage on a charger - $50 deductible (not sure why coverage is so high chargers cost $500) * Includes key coverage - $50 deductible electronic key replacement pays up to $500 per loss 2 times per policy term | cdraz | 2019-10-21 19:21:46 | 39 | f4n8bg2 | You should actually read this post on TMC from a person who has Tesla insurance and filed a claim. Tesla seems to be prioritizing servicing for people who have Tesla insurance over other insurance......not sure how much truth is there to this but this is one data point > They then told me that subscribers of Tesla insurance get priority on repair. My host pointed out an X in the parking lot that wasn t going in for another month due to a different insurance. I didn t complain [https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads tesla-insurance-my-experience-so-far-with-a-claim.170271 ](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads tesla-insurance-my-experience-so-far-with-a-claim.170271 ) | CookieMonster42FL | 2019-10-21 19:39:58 | 29 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
5n15cf | Experience with my new S90D | I took delivery of my Model S90D a little more than a week ago and wanted to share my first impressions of the car here. I ll keep doing so over the next few weeks. So ... here we go: + Insane performance. This is just the fastest car on the road there s just nobody else who can keep up with the freaking acceleration of this thing. Passing other cars is over in the blink of an eye. + Super quiet. + Screen and UI are awesome. + Love the air suspension solid ride and enough clearance on unpaved roads + Home charger with 72A is nice car is fully charged in Daily mode from empty in 5-6h. - Just noticed on the weekend that on Trip setting the last part of the charge does not work with 72A. Had to dial down to 40A otherwise the HAWC (high amperage wall charger) would stop charging and not re-start unless I pull the charging cable press the brake pedal and plug in again .... now: I understand that the last part of the charge needs to be done with lower current but this is something the software should do rather than stopping cold. I verified the line voltage both at the breaker box and at the HWAC remains > 243V at all times (had a digital storage scope hooked up to verify there are no transient spikes). Called service center to see charging logs they downloaded them from the car but said that somebody needs to decode them and they will call back. They never did. [Edit 1 10 17: last night I had to dial down to 40A even for Daily charging...:-( ) - Noticed last week that the driver side mirror doesn t unfold all the way out. So instead of seeing the cars behind me I see the side of the car. Called Tesla service last week on Fri as well as today in the morning. Both times they wanted to call me back never did. Really annoyed right now. Sent an email to NA service HQ. - So far no AP no adaptive cruise control no autopark no lane departure warning no automatic high beams no automatic wipers ... pretty much none of the comfort features I paid big bucks for. And while I understand that Tesla just changed hw vendor and needs some time to get the software done I d at least have appreciated if the sales staff would have told me that before. They did not probably assumed that I d know? - Also noted that the driver side window scratches over the chrome piece on top every time I open the door. The window goes down a bit but too late to avoid that. Passenger side doesn t have that issue. Will bring it up with service if they ever call me back. Summary so far: Nice car crappy service. (didn t expect the low service quality based on what I read online about them maybe just an issue at the Orlando center?) Stay tuned. :-) | Paladin32776 | 2017-01-09 23:12:58 | 31 | dc7xuv1 | Tesla service is honestly pretty bad under the manager level. I had many issues with the service in WPB Florida until I kind made a fuss and got on the phone with the service manager. He was better by a lot and got all my issues resolved. However he was kinda bad at returning calls too but he gave me his personal phone # so we could just text about the issues and since then its pretty good. My advice: Don t be passive with Tesla and if you live close to the service center and they continue to not respond get the manager if that doesn t work just show up during weekday business hours and get the manager. Problems will be solved quickly when your sitting there. | hipringles | 2017-01-10 00:14:05 | 10 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
ebjf7w | Experience with range mode and wet weather wheel traction + braking (2015 Model S 85D) | After about 20K miles on OEM tires I switched to Pirelli Cinturator P7 All Season Plus. I have 35K miles on them so far and had regretted going with the Pirelli s since almost Day 1 since they are squirrely as fuck on wet pavement fishtailing in low speed mundane spots such as freeway entrances exits and turning at stop lights (tread life good inflated to 45). What I didn t realize until recently was that I had switched to almost exclusively using range mode the same time I switched tires. And a couple of weeks ago with winter looming and debating whether or not to replace tires with plenty of tread life still left on them for the first time in my life it occurred to me to do some testing. And I learned that with range mode OFF I suddenly had traction again and the rear stopped kicking out wide on me. I also noticed issues with range mode and wet conditions massively negatively impacting braking. I went so far as to bring it to a Tesla service center where they tested the brakes and said they were fine. In hindsight I realize they tested it on a dry day in range mode (or at least I m assuming they left it in range mode). I ve never had my tires screech from braking but I have had 2 hard brakes both in wet conditions both times in range mode and both times the brakes instantly locked up and the car very slowly came to a halt. The second time was getting cut-off as I was leaving a car wash very slow speeds maybe 5-10 mph. It was like the brakes didn t even work. So I spent this weekend testing range mode on off in dry wet conditions and confirmed that while hard braking in wet conditions (ie the rain) with range mode on can at times be nothing short of terrifying it s a completely different story with range mode off. Has anyone that typically uses range mode tested their brakes after a car wash or in the rain? I enjoyed the convenience of range mode but at this point I m inclined to never use it again. Sad to lose range mode but happy to have a car I feel I can trust and enjoy driving again. | nostradx | 2019-12-16 18:59:48 | 14 | fb5avcw | Try the [Continental PureContact LS](https: www.continentaltire.com product purecontact-ls-19555-r-16-87v) or [Yokohama ADVAN Sport](https: www.yokohamatire.com tires advan-sport-a-s) tires next time. Even in range mode should give you the traction you re looking for. Personally I found the MXM4s on my S to be meh. Okay summer tires shit winter or wet tires. | toomuchtodotoday | 2019-12-16 19:23:53 | 6 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
qmhxnc | Experience with shared superchargers in the Netherlands | How has it been for you guys? Lots of traffic? | hfulbvvff | 2021-11-04 10:49:41 | 63 | hj9u470 | Seeing all the videos shared by dutch youtubers supercharger have been barely visited by other EVs. I think most not-Tesla owners aren t aware of the news since it stayed in EV fans news (not on TV & main stream medias). But anyway even with the news making it to main stream medias I don t see them getting crowded. There is a plethora of fast charging facilities (Fastned Allego Ionity Shell Recharge & so on ...) so people have enough choice to recharge fast + most EV owners have free subscription to other networks when they buy an EV (little incentives to go charge at superchargers). In southern countries like France where network is a bit more challenging this might be different in future. | giiilles | 2021-11-04 12:18:00 | 67 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
752bbp | Experiences Of A New Model S Owner During First Road Trip | WARNING: this a long post. You probably have better things to do and if you already drive a Tesla there will be nothing new for you here. But this could be interesting for people awaiting delivery production of their car so here goes. I took delivery of my new Model S almost 3 weeks ago and took it on a completely pointless yet useful roadtrip this weekend. Pointless in that I didn t really need to be anywhere useful in that I wanted to get familiar with this car and the whole “how well does charging work when you re on a long trip?” question before subjecting my wife and daughter to it. So I planned a 3 day trip to take by myself and the goal was to be entirely comfortable to take my wife and daughter on a car-vacation as we usually do in the summer. For the first day I had a specific route planned out. I drove from Belgium to the Mogendorf supercharger in Germany so I could then drive all the way from Koblenz to Trier next to the Moselle river (beautiful scenery and fun roads). I had no idea what to expect with regards to mileage on the whole non-highway part so I planned to stop at the supercharger in Luxemburg (about 250km coming from Mogendorf) to then proceed to a small hotel near Nancy in France which has a supercharger in its parking lot. As I wasn t quite sure what to expect I didn t use the car s trip planner and planned every supercharger stop myself. I actually ended up skipping the Luxemburg supercharger since my mileage between Koblenz and Trier was only 180 Wh km and had plenty left to reach Nancy (arrived with 24% available). I hooked the car up to the supercharger and checked into my room. When my phone alerted me that it was almost done charging I went back down to put the car in a normal parking spot. I kinda like living in this future. For the second day I didn t have a particular route planned. Just really wanted to type in the destination knowing that it was way beyond the reach of the car and see how the car would guide me to the superchagers: how often for how long what s available during the stops etc... So I set out from Nancy all the way to lower Normandy region which is about 600 km s not accounting for detours to reach superchargers. I made it with only one charing stop though I do think it would be a good idea to be able to configure the trip planner to keep a lower-limit in mind as you reach your destination. On both the intermediary supercharger stop as well as the destination i only had about 17% left. Probably not an issue if you re used to it but it was my first time taking it below 20% and I kept thinking “so what do I do if there s a problem with the supercharger? . If you could arrive with 30% left you d have more options in case of charging issues at the destination. For the 3rd and final day I head back home from lower Normandy region to boring old Belgium. Very similar in style to the trip of the previous day but a good second data point to see how well the car does driving nothing but highways for an extended period of time from supercharger to supercharger until you get to the destination. There are also a few specific topics that I wanted to discuss separately: Range supercharging and mileage: I left home with 100% charged about 250km from the Mogendorf supercharger. I kinda gasped when the battery indicator of the navigation said I d only have about 38% left when arriving at Mogendorf. If true it would mean I had used 62% of my 100D to do only 250km. But i followed the speed limits and reached the destination with about 44% left. So 56% for 250km in 9 Celsius probably isn t that bad. It s definitely true what they say about supercharging: it goes really fast in the beginning but once you reach 80% it slows down a lot (for good reasons). The important thing to realise is: if you can make it to the next supercharger with the charge that you currently have there s no point in sticking around for extra power. It ll be inherently much slower than just taking off to the next supercharger and charging again (really fast at first!) until you have enough to get on your way. So just charge for what you need and move on. You actually win time this way. I also kinda feel that the first 20% after charging goes away much quicker than the latter ‘half of the battery capacity. I wouldn t really wanna bet on this and probably is just a perception issue. Obviously speed matters. I ve set my air suspension to automatically go to the Low setting as of 110km h and I think that kinda helps a bit but this is certainly not the car you want to do 140km h or more with for long periods of time (you ll especially stick out in Germany on the parts where driving fast is legal or throughout Belgium where we just don t care about that once-a-year speeding ticket that we may or may not get). I have the impression that 120 km h is the sweet-spot to stick around the ‘typical usage of 200 Wh km on highways. Going for 130 km h for a while seems to draw a lot more power than the 10 km u speed increase would suggest. Also road quality seems to have an impact. If i do long stretches of 120km h on highways in Germany Luxemburg or France i get a lower Wh km than I d get on similar stretches on Belgian highways. And that is despite the fact that Belgian highways are generally rather flat whereas the ones in Germany Luxemburg France frequently have elevation differences. So that might be something to keep in mind if you re planning a long road trip. AutoPilot: On highways as long as you feel comfortable staying in the same lane it works really well. Auto-lane change is so slow to respond it makes me feel like I m a 65 year old in traffic confused as to why everyone is mad at my driving. And I m still (a young) 36! Off highways I don t see myself using it anymore because it causes me more stress than actually just driving the car myself (which is a fun experience so no complaints here!). AP is however truly awesome in highway traffic jams. The only thing that would make it better in that scenario is that it should stick to the far left side of the road if you were on the left lane so motorbikes would have more room to pass by. Important to note for people who are new to Tesla: AutoSteer is the part of AutoPilot that is rather hit-or-miss. Traffic Aware Cruise Control (TACC) however is brilliant! It works really well on pretty much any road you re driving on and takes a lot of the mental effort away yet keeps you fully engaged because you re still steering. This is the part that indeed works very smoothly... it accelerates and decelerates quite normally it doesn t really feel as if a computer is pulling the strings. It comes across as very natural human. This has become my preferred way of driving the car if I want to keep things legal... It also really helps to keep fatigue away after a full day of driving (even with stops). Navigation: It works but my previous 7-year old Audi had a better navigation system than this and that s kinda troubling since Tesla is supposed to be ‘good at software. Sometimes it completely fails to guide you past long traffic jams. In other cases I ve had it guide me over really local roads (that s a euphemism for ‘almost riding over dirt ) for really short traffic jams on highways. The maps aren t very up to date either... roundabouts in particular aren t very up to date even in cases where you can tell it s been there for more than a few years. It s also quite slow in calculating routes when it needs to guide you through superchargers. That however may have been because I had my ‘avoid tolls option enabled. What I do certainly miss about this navigation system is that I haven t seen it avoid routes that are _known_ to be unavailable due to extensive roadworks. In those cases I always end up in a traffic jam in the provided redirection hell. I m pretty sure the navigational system should ve have been able to come up with better alternatives in advance. In at least one case it knew hours in advance that I was going towards a certain route which had been closed off all weekend. It really could ve routed me differently. At least my Audi used to do that quite well. Another thing to pay attention to: speed limits! Do not rely on the ones the display shows you since AP2 hardware doesn t read real speed signs yet. It s based on a database of known speed limits at most locations but they re quite often wrong. So definitely keep paying attentions to those signs and adjust your TACC accordingly! Final conclusions: Don t let my complaints fool you... I absolutely love this car! There s just a few areas where it could be improved and then it could be even better. I do feel quite comfortable now to plan car-vacations with my wife and daughter though it would probably also take them some time to get used to the whole ‘plan longer stops along superchargers strategy that you need to make this work. But I m pretty sure they d be ok with it pretty quickly :) | ralinx | 2017-10-08 15:30:30 | 127 | do2v0x1 | Wow you have my upvote awesome write up super detailed extremely helpful for perspective buyers. Felt like I was reading an actual review. Loved it! I also agree with you I ve driven a Model S and the Nav seems out dated especially the voice they use! Sounds like Siri when the iPhone 4S was released (maybe they ve updated that since I last drove one?). | reddit__user__yeah | 2017-10-08 15:47:55 | 17 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
fdrn9f | Experiences from my Tesla order | This is my first post here on Reddit but I thought this story might interest somebody. **08.02.20 - The order** I live in Bern Switzerland and ordered my Tesla Model 3 on Feb. 8 2020. The Tesla website stated that the car will be delivered sometime in March. In our Tesla Center they said that I had ordered a slightly rarer combination (performance multicoat red black interior) and that it could be later than on the website. Well then... **17.02.20 - The pledge** Several times I had contact with my Tesla Advisor and he wrote to me that my car could be in Switzerland by the end of February. Hooray! **18.02.20 - Tesla carriers** In the meantime i did some reasearch and discovered that there is a [google docs document where you can see the ships with the Tesla deliveries all over the world](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 10Uh_GSkShwPPlrE5mOJcrkZ-T3NmLkLnTo6xqbdtaOI edit#gid=0) . According to all available informations my car had to be on the ship Grand Mark . This ship was already on its way from San Francisco to Zeebrugge Belgium. It left San Francisco on 01.02.20. 1 week before my order. **19.02.20 - The vin is here.** On this day the appearance on the tesla website suddenly changed. Since I had enough time to do some research I found that it s possible to extract the VIN from the source code and voila there it was. **25.02.20 - The message** I received the famous textmessage completely unexpected and could actually only choose 12.03.20 for delivery. The date suited me and I confirmed it. **03.03.20 - The call** I was busy at work and saw my phone ringing. The name of my Tesla Advisor showed up on the screen. I got worried that something was wrong with the car and that there was a proplem. I called him 5 minutes later. He was super relaxed and said that the car is already here and if I want to pick it up the day after tomorrow. I was baffled. Unfortunately I have no time to drive to the delivery center and everything is already set up with the insurance company and the DMV for 12.03.20. So theoretically the car would have been here in 26 days from the time the order was placed. That is just insane! The excitement is real! **TL TR** 08.02.20 Order 19.02.20 VIN visible in source code 25.02.20 Text for scheduling pickup (could only choose 13.02.20) 03.03.20 Call from Tesla that my car is ready for pickup from 05.03 | extraordinaryguy_88 | 2020-03-05 07:15:19 | 20 | fjjg9jn | Welcome to the wonderful world of owners. Yes the ordering is quite strange but it sounds like you have been well looked after. My best suggestion is use one of the online checklist for collection so you don t miss anything in the excitement. Also try to have plenty of time for your first drive. It s an amazing car but the user interface is very different to normal cars so even after watching all the YouTube videos remembering how to turn on the wipers and indicate and drive at some junction can be stressful. However you will love the car. I ve done 17000 km in mr SR+ since September and even the 5k commute to work is like stepping into the future. Getting out going back to the old world of noisy machines and locks that need keys of bent metal is sad every day. Plan some road trips. The supercharger network is great. Oh yes and expect to suddenly be the person everyone wants a lift with. Be generous with your time and you can help others learn that in this crazy world some stuff really is getting better. Enjoy 😊 | WoofyChip | 2020-03-05 07:51:43 | 9 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
u24gh1 | Experiences with TeslaCorsa? | I have a Model X and am thinking about getting a slot during a track day for my husband. Anyone done TeslaCorsa? I d be looking at Laguna Seca specifically. | Brilliant_Outside779 | 2022-04-12 17:26:17 | 14 | i4h2ld9 | I ve done a few track days with them in my 3 (both at Laguna Seca and Buttonwillow) it s an absolute blast! You really get to know what your car can handle. Laguna is a bit more scary if you re new to it because there are many walls (compared to Buttonwillow) and the famous Corkscrew. TC doesn t offer Laguna Seca track days as much compared to Buttonwillow because it s much more expensive to rent Laguna if you can I d recommend doing Buttonwillow for your first. Can t speak to how it feels to drive a X on a track but there have definitely been X owners at the track when I was there. | melancholicricebowl | 2022-04-12 20:10:03 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ensnhp | Experiences with mobile service? I m now 2 2 on damage caused by mobile techs | The first time they came to replace some sound dampening foam or something that was spilling out of the air vent. The dude damaged the dash board. Yesterday they came to replace that and replace a loose repeater camera and I now have 3 decent dents around the new repeater. Is this typical? I would just like the car to be in good condition for once but every time I have a factory problem fixed the tech causes another. Do people just recommend sticking to SCs? | sbrbrad | 2020-01-12 20:11:30 | 26 | fe4m8jy | I had a great experience with the mobile tech who came out to replace the screen. In and out quickly very clean showed me what he did. | MoreThan2_LessThan21 | 2020-01-12 20:26:35 | 21 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
bgyeak | Experiment - Comment here if you ve had a GOOD experience with Tesla service | People who have had a bad experience with Tesla service love to complain about it. Fair. I m not saying they didn t have parts issues or an incompetent tech. But I believe that for every complainer there are hundreds of people who have had good experiences. And no one creates a post that says Hey everyone I didn t have any Tesla-related problems today. My Service Center is top notch they always have parts in stock and they have even shown up at my house within hours to fix something. So if you ve had GOOD experiences with Tesla service please post here so we can see the other side of the coin. | lmaccaro | 2019-04-24 18:49:29 | 53 | elogvcg | I ve had great experience with Tesla service. They ve gotten me in when I didn t have an appointment. They ve helped me with some aftermarket wheel issues etc. They re always professional and courteous. | croninsiglos | 2019-04-24 18:52:11 | 13 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
b6mjx0 | Experiment: Sentry Mode active for 77 hours lost 68 miles rated range. | I decided to test out Sentry Mode range loss over a longer term this week while I was on a business trip. I charged the car to 100% to be safe and headed to the airport. I left the car in the airport garage for 77 hours and range dropped from 290 miles to 222 miles while I was gone which I don t think is unreasonable. I checked on the car once per day while I was gone to make sure I didn t need to turn Sentry off but I don t think that contributed to the range loss at all because the car wakes up immediately while Sentry is active as if it s not sleeping at all. One thing I did notice upon my return was that in the Recent Clips folder there were the standard one minute clips from all three cameras for the last hour despite me only preconditioning the car for about 10 minutes prior to my arrival. I don t know if it s been discussed before but I hadn t realized that while Sentry mode is active the cameras are *recording all the time* and overwriting the data every hour and saving any clips with motion to the Saved Clips folder. Makes complete sense I just hadn t thought about it and was assuming it was monitoring the camera feeds and only recording when there is motion like my home security cameras do. All in all it s a great feature at a reasonable power consumption for the benefit it offers IMO. Now if you ll excuse me I have several hundred video clips to go through. Anybody know of a program website app that I can easily dump all the videos in that will produce a timelapse? | TheKobayashiMoron | 2019-03-28 18:40:36 | 81 | ejlhq4g | Yeah noticed a huge drop in range when I enabled it for 48 hours. Seems to increase drain by about 1 mile per hour. Worth it IMHO | WhyDontTheyAMA | 2019-03-28 18:57:51 | 26 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
57ytk6 | Explain to the uninitiated - Does Tesla make money? | I just read someone talk about how Tesla doesn t make any money. Is this true? | evanstueve | 2016-10-17 18:06:11 | 19 | d8w1om3 | It is true that Tesla loses money and that they have done so every quarter of their existence except for 1 quarter a couple of years ago and Tesla may have made a small operating profit in the last quarter (Financial results for the quarter will be announced next week). People who are skeptical of Tesla will say that Tesla loses money on every car they sell. This is not true. People on this sub say Tesla would be profitable if they weren t spending all their net income on building factories. This is also not true. The truth is really in the middle. Tesla makes (or loses less) money on every car they sell. Tesla is still generally unprofitable on an operations basis which means that capital investments are NOT included (just depreciation). But Tesla has to spend tons of money on operations that may not be as much per car as it scales up. Stores service centers superchargers and R& D. R& D is a big one because they are paying now to develop systems that will be deployed across their entire product line and their sales should grow by an order of magnitude. These costs can be spread across many more units and I think ultimately Tesla will be massively profitable. But right now Tesla doesn t make money. | john_atx | 2016-10-17 18:21:49 | 57 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
jekje7 | Explaining how the rewrite works vs how autopilot currently works based on Elon and Karpathy statements. | Based on a comment from another [thread](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments jejill what_will_the_rewrite_be_able_to_do_when_the ): & #x200B I think the current pre-rewrite version was pretty naïve in the way it was implemented (hindsight is 2020). The way Elon has explained it imagine if you were driving but had some crazy combination of narcolepsy and short term memory loss. Every half-second you fall asleep and wake up to a completely new world. You can see everything around you and recognize road markings cars traffic signals and signs just like normal but you can t remember anything from the previous time you were awake. You take some small action that you decide on based only on what you can currently see then fall asleep again. Repeat forever while trying to drive. Imagine seeing a stop sign starting to slow down then the next time you wake up it s slightly occluded by glare or a bush so you stop slowing down. Next time you wake up you can see it again start slowing down again. Starts to sound like some experiences I ve had with autopilot... The new version incorporates memory and time into the above example. Each time you fall asleep you can quickly write down everything you saw last time with reasonable accuracy and compare that to the new information you re seeing (yes I realize writing things down this quickly by hand is unreasonable). Not only can you calculate a relative velocity for things you recognized both times but if you saw something last time that you don t see not you can try to use that information to correct things. Maybe you look here you last saw a stop sign and now you see a bush that has something vaguely octagonal that you can t see clearly in it. It s probably the stop sign. keep slowing down. Write yourself a note to check again next time. This doesn t require much more on the hardware side other than the ability to store information about the last few runs some (decreasing with staleness) confidence level about them and the ability to run a classifier on a suspected object from an old frame and accept it with a lower confidence output from the Neural Net. & #x200B This is just my rough understanding based on several Elon tweets and interviews a few Karpathy talks I ve seen and my own knowledge of computer science and machine vision (I only have a BS in computer science but I took some machine learning and machine vision classes in college). Let me know if you think I m completely off base or if you think I m missing something to improve the analogy | mineNombies | 2020-10-20 07:11:32 | 186 | g9ew8ph | I thought the main difference was that in the new version all the camera images get stitched into a 360 panorama before being fed to the AI whereas the AI gets separate inputs currently and so has problems when an object moves between camera views. This is made worse because the AI s training for each camera has been done separately - imagine being trained how to read the left side camera by a different teacher than the one that taught you how to see out of the front. This would give the ai a sort of split personality syndrome. | cmdr_awesome | 2020-10-20 07:44:17 | 57 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
eqlgmy | Expose USB storage to WiFi network | I think it would be so convenient if Tesla allowed the car to expose it s USB storage over your home (or any network you white-list) WiFi. Similar to how network-attached storage devices work. This seems like a pretty simple way to make all Tesla USB activities more convenient. Use cases I imagine for this: (1) download sentry dashcam clips over WiFi without unplugging the USB (2) delete sentry clips over WiFi [i imagine having credentials to allow delete operations] (3) add music to the USB over WiFi. The features around this would be pretty simple but in my opinion have a lot of value for users. What does anyone else think? | onelovebraj | 2020-01-18 19:59:53 | 17 | feu6yyj | It would be handy. And it would open up new attack vectors to hack the car. Re-read the warranty. No hacks virus malware...etc. are covered. Having to unplug a USB drive is a pretty small inconvenience for keeping the car secure. I sometimes forgot to bring the TeslaCam drive back to the car. I ve solved that issue by having two drives. Just swap them out as needed so one is always running. | SeaworthyKaiser | 2020-01-18 21:42:27 | 23 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
33bbg0 | Extended Test drive | Has anyone been able to secure an extended test drive of the model S? I m in the process of shopping for a new car and my options are the M4 RS5 and the Model S. BMW has allowed me a weekend test drive and Audi lent me a loaner for 24hrs while I had my car in. Would love to try the tesla for more than 15 minutes to see if charging would be a hassle for me. Thanks. | [deleted] | 2015-04-21 03:07:44 | 17 | cqj9r3v | Definitely worth just asking the sales reps they re usually pretty lenient. As for it being a hassle if you have a garage or a place you can plug in when you re parked at home or work it s super easy. Just plug it when you get out of the car and never worry about it again until you take a roadtrip in which case the car will route you through chargers and tell you how long you have to stop for and will ping your phone when the car has enough juice to go on. Fun stuff. But yeah ask the sales reps | jaxbotme | 2015-04-21 03:14:08 | 9 | Test Driving Tesla Models |
hrhtyu | Extended Warranty options help | I ve seen a lot about how extended warranty is gone or it s there but only to certain mileage so I just want to break this down and get answers about it. I m looking to buy an used Model S. Hypothetically if I was to get.. let s say a 2013 2014 Model S with around 50-60k miles on it is there a way to get extended warranty on it and how long will it last? I ve seen how Tesla does 100k extended on used vehicles bought from them but idk if that remains true to today also if I don t buy it from Tesla but get it from some other type of dealership or private seller can I get extended warranty on it? | cowrouter | 2020-07-15 05:30:15 | 11 | fy4ce1b | It has to be within the original 4 year 50 k warranty. You can t buy it on a car that went through a non-Tesla dealer. Private party sales are fine. So the oldest cars you can get it on will be 2016s delivered mid-year with less than 50k on them. [Details here.](https: www.tesla.com support extended-service-agreement) | ArlesChatless | 2020-07-15 06:38:39 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
hoenem | Extended thoughts on test driving the MY and m3 today | So my mother and I scheduled a split test on both cars today starting with the y. I m not really a car guy my daily has been a 2013 outback and other than some awful wind noise and shitty interior window trim that catches and folds over with humidity it s been solid if boring. My main priority of the test was seating comfort of both as that s always a catch for people over 6ft and most cars in general. For reference I ve driven a fair handful of german and japanese luxury over the last 15 years and that s my gauge for the car. First impression getting in the MY was the seats were excellent ergonomically. I had plenty of headroom slightly more than the audi Q8 we drove over in. Just the right amount of support for me. Headrest locked was no issue for me (6 2 ) or my mom (5 2 ). Already a win. Back seat was comfortable enough no complaints. I have briefly driven a relative s MS 2 years ago so I kinda knew what to expect but didnt get to put mustard on the acceleration as I was just going around the corner for smokes. The regenerative breaking is the only awkward transition from gas and by my guess it will be totally normal with a few hours driving experience. I did try gunning it from 20-50 mph and that was definitely sexy. The silence is so satisfying compared to the anemic whining of the outback or even when a G wagon roars its tank engine (fyi g wagons suck to drive) Ride quality was very good a little stiff but there was a nice tactility to it and the steering wheel had just enough resistance in it maybe a bit whippy(?). Could feel whippy compared to audi which is ridiculously slick and featherweight by my standards. Maybe closer to a cayenne in steering feel. It was 106* in scottsdale today and the AC was pretty oppressively powerful and fun to tweak. Sound quality was great not excellent though I didnt really blast it. Miles over my subaru stock speakers though probably doesnt match whatever speakers are in a gle63 amg I ve driven but that s not a totally fair comparison against a car well over double the price. My mother took the wheel and she had slightly more awkwardness with the regenerative breaking but handled it fine. Her priority is ride comfort and plushness favors Benz for this reason (E class and up interiors are so refined if a bit overrought and distinctly non-athletic) so her main competition will probably be the 2021 e350 coming this fall. While she was driving I did take note of the shitty interior trim and loose panels and such still blatant even in a test car. The back seat had that infamous misalignment. That said I love minimalist aesthetic (minimalism in general) and wouldn t be super bothered by it if I can find ways to tuck and flush these things. Trunk and frunk space was much bigger in person than I anticipated from online research very nice. The model 3 (rwd) was mostly the same experience. A bit awkward getting in and out compared to the MY but to be expected. Seating and headroom was still amazing a hair less headroom due to the way the a pillar curves and bulges up to the glass roof I suppose. Width felt virtually identical. Drive was definitely more grounded and didnt have as deep a lurch when releasing the gas pedal. Both had identical tiny rear visibility but not dangerously so. Back seat I had a literal milimeter between my knees and the driver seat in my settings but headroom was all clear. As someone who isn t a gear head but respects the battery powered future both were total wins to me. My priority is seat ergonomics and general ease of use and both were super duper plus the emissions in the toy box got a long laugh from both of us. Gun to my head I like the extra capacity of the Y but the 3 is better driving. Frankly I dont need the cargo space but utility when necessary is nice like an occasional home depot costco run but its the only major perk to pay 5k more over the M3. | dskwon | 2020-07-10 00:13:39 | 20 | fxhcwf3 | $6k difference. That s what s holding me back from a Y. I could really use the extra room having 2 kids in car seats but even the 47k is stretching the car budget for me. And I LOVED the 3 when I test drove it. More room than our current car (Kia optima) so we can make it work. If money were no object I would go S or X... God they are sexy. | Syris3000 | 2020-07-10 00:33:42 | 16 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
cacj1w | Extended warranty experience. | My Model S is right at 50k miles so last opportunity to make a decision on extended warranty. I drive a shit load of miles (20k yr) but haven t had many issues with the car so far. For those who have the extended warranty does it actually cover common major issues or is it kind of useless? Assuming it doesn t cover labor which is always super expensive with Tesla. Anyone tried to get a partial refund and been successful? | dcoulson | 2019-07-07 21:55:11 | 13 | et7xlo1 | I posted screenshots of the entire ESA contract I purchased from Tesla in March 2019 for my 2018 MS 100D on TMC. See post # 34: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads extended-warranty-option-disappeared-from-account.147097 page-2 | TeslaDan | 2019-07-07 23:07:32 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
gqn5u6 | Extended warranty for Model 3 | Has anyone tried to get Tesla to offer them an extended warranty on their Model 3? Are there any 3rd party entities that would do that for a Tesla? I d appreciate any input because owning a 2017 out of warranty Model 3 is just very scary to me lol | sepehr_brk | 2020-05-26 00:57:48 | 18 | frtqwxz | I remember taking my 3 in for service months ago and seeing a sign on the counter saying “Ask us about our extended warranty.” Excited I asked about it and they answered that it was only for the S and X. Womp womp. | PotentialBlacksmith4 | 2020-05-26 01:20:30 | 22 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ul0w6m | Extended warranty? | I bought a 2018 MS 100D just over a year ago and the warranty is still valid through September. I just found out during my seasonal tire swap that the “rearward right front control arm is about to fall off”. After a quick google apparently this has been the subject of class action lawsuits however my SC appointment isn t until later this week. So 2 questions: Anyone else know about this control arm issue? The SC message implies “we ll see if it s covered or not when you come in” (my tires also have excessive wear because of it). And can you get an extended warranty on these things? Worth it? Update: looks like I ll be looking into the “Xcelerate Auto” extended warranty. Good info thanks everyone! Update again: Tesla covered that control arm for the bubble! | CoffeeOrWhine | 2022-05-08 12:43:03 | 25 | i7tga5h | https: www.xcelerateauto.com x-care These guys offer a third party Tesla extended warranty and it seems decently well recommended as per Tesla Motors Club. I would really *really* not want to own an S out of warranty. And service techs told me the same when I had mine in for half shafts. | 007meow | 2022-05-08 17:14:38 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
hwkx8b | Extension cable for mobile charger | Hi all I am looking to get a Model 3 soon. My plan involves renting a detached garage which has an available outlet on the ceiling. Given my commute I figured I would charge using the provided Mobile Charger and a typical NEMA 5-15 adapter I don t need faster charging. However the location of the outlet has me worried. I have read the user manual and noticed that extension cables should not be used to charge a Model 3. That said I have read anecdotes suggesting that it s OK as long as you pick the right cable and ensure that it s not coiled. Namely I have been looking at a 25ft 12 gauge 15 amp extension cable: https: www.homedepot.com p Southwire-25-ft-12-3-SJTW-Outdoor-Heavy-Duty-Extension-Cord-with-Power-Light-Plug-2587SW8802 203066444 Does anyone have thoughts or advice? I don t want to go against the user manual but it sounds safe as long as you re smart about it. TL DR: Outlet on ceiling. Want to use mobile connector to charge with 15 amps. Wondering if a proper extension cable is safe. | landonianb | 2020-07-23 18:20:41 | 15 | fz07ouf | Make sure you get a heavy duty one. The mobile charger can detect heat in the outlet and will limit amperage if it gets too hot. Best advice is to not use an extension cord but it looks like the one in your description should be OK. | tynamic77 | 2020-07-23 18:25:36 | 11 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
91h8t0 | Extensive thoughts on Model 3 from an owner of a 2012 Model S P85 | **TL DR: Regardless of what Elon Musk might say Model 3 is arguably an upgrade when compared to an older Model S. For those on the fence between a CPO Model S and a Model 3 I say go for Model 3.** I ve been driving a Model S for about 4.5 years now and have rolled about 90K electric miles. I absolutely love my 2012 P85 and will never to go back to an ICE again. In fact we just purchased my wife s new LR RWD Model 3 and our household now has 100% electric transport. **Handling** I drove my wife s Model 3 a good bit around town this past weekend and yesterday she let me take it to work for my birthday. As countless others have already said it handles much better than Model S and has near zero body roll. My car handles well but comparatively I don t feel as connected to the road in my car and it tends to feel more floaty . That s also due in part to my car having first generation seats. The Model 3 seats are much more comfortable and connect you to the car much better than the first-gen Model S seats. **Acceleration** The acceleration of my P85 is definitely better but the LR RWD Model 3 is no slouch. It has more than sufficient acceleration for getting on the highway and for passing. When you pin the accelerator to the floor you still get the same Tesla grin from Model 3 as you do Model S. **Touchscreen** The responsiveness of the Model 3 touchscreen is much better than my Model S. It s significantly faster has animations you don t see on mine and of course with 4G LTE (vs. 3G on mine) maps load in much faster as well. Although it s smaller than Model S I still like it better due to the responsiveness. Since it s a floating display and has closer proximity to the driver I don t find the smaller size to be an issue. **Trunk Frunk** The trunk is very big for a compact car. I ll need to measure but it feels like the distance from the back seats to the bumper may be the same or even longer than Model S. It may be a bit of an optical illusion though due to the rear windshield covering most of the trunk and having to reach in under it quite far to touch the back seats. Regardless there is tons of space back there and the subfloor under the cover has plenty of space as well. The frunk is quite minimal and you definitely can t fit nearly as much as you can in mine. Also being an older RWD my car has a deeper frunk than the post-AWD models. That being said I don t use my frunk all that often. Mostly when I take out pizza or have leftovers to keep the aromas out of the cabin. I do like how light the hood of the Model 3 feels. It reminds me a lot of the hood of my old S2000 (loved that car too). **Autopilot** My car has no autopilot hardware at all so Model 3 wins by default. I used it for a good portion of my 20 mile commute and it seemed to work quite well. It s definitely a godsend for stop-and-go traffic. **Instrument Panel** Model 3 has no instrument panel so Model S is the winner there by default. I like the energy consumption chart I get with Model S as well as the real-time display of kW being consumed. I wish Model 3 had some features to provide you with a better idea of your driving efficiency. Perhaps it will come in a future update. That being said the positioning of the Model 3 instrument panel isn t terrible and it works just fine. I quickly got used to the lack of the instrument panel. **Interior Storage and Amenities** The center storage console of the Model 3 is fantastic. We need to find a case for my wife s iPhone that will allow her to place it in the charging slot but it is very well designed. The center console has tons of space. The two USB ports for passengers in the back is great too (my Model S doesn t have them). The cup holders between the rear seats is another nice feature lacking in my S (although I do my best to discourage any sort of beverages in either vehicle). **Supercharging** We haven t taken it on any roadtrips yet but we will soon. Even though supercharging isn t free I think Model 3 actually wins there too. My car has a first-generation 85kWh battery that s limited to 90kW of Supercharging. With a shorter range and slower supercharging my wife s car will make road trips faster. We won t need to charge as long and can even skip over superchargers that we d have to otherwise stop at in my car. I compared some long distance road trips in [EV Trip Planner](https: www.evtripplanner.com planner) (of 600 miles and more) and her car will save us hours of supercharging. Having a choice between taking a free supercharging trip in my car or a pay supercharging trip in her car we ll likely pick her car. Free supercharging is overrated and paying for supercharging is still cheaper than paying for gas. Saving time on road trips is worth paying the minimal amount for supercharging. It s not something we ll do all that often anyway 98% of our charging will be done at home. **Camper Mode** Perhaps the one big disappointment in Model 3 is that it lacks the camper mode of Model S. I love this feature in Model S and use it all the time when making quick stops to the grocery store pharmacy hardware store etc. to keep the car cool upon my return. In Model 3 you have to use the mobile app to turn climate control back on. I assume that eventually Model 3 will see camper mode in a future update. **Looks** On the more subjective side of things I really love the look of Model 3. The fascia looks awesome and I love the T sitting on the hood. I like it much better than the nosecone look of my older Model S and I think I like it even more the floating T on the newer Model S. I think I like the rear of the Model S better but Model 3 still looks great in the back. It s hard to choose a favorite in overall looks but I think it may actually be Model 3. Model S still looks awesome though! So to sum things up: * Driving and handling: Model 3 * Seats: Model 3 * Touchscreen display responsiveness and speed: Model 3 * Autopilot: Model 3 * Interior storage (excl. trunk frunk) and amenities: Model 3 * Supercharging: Model 3 * Looks: Model 3 * Camper mode: Model S * Instrument panel: Model S * Acceleration: Model S * Frunk trunk storage space: Model S * Overall winner: Model 3 | GeekLad | 2018-07-24 13:09:29 | 395 | e2xzvwi | Good side by side comparison of the two models. The S is a great looking car - for me still the best looking of the two from the rear - but I would agree the 3 is more attractive from the front. You know there is the instant power being used display on the 3 (the very thin green black line) but it is missing a historical chart. Perhaps another “card” could be used for that? I am guessing that when the Model 3 is available in Europe the smaller size combined with similar interior space more “sporty” feel plus of course lower price will mean it will steal market share from Model S (probably not Model S - that will be the Y s job) | ThatIsMrDickHead2You | 2018-07-24 13:44:51 | 46 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
b6yobs | External Speaker Uses | So I was thinking all newer Model 3s have an external speaker to play a noise at low speeds but what if we look at this as a positive? I can use it being use for: Car defects a person the car can say “please step away from the vehicle” or “keep Summer safe” Could could use it as an intercom to talk to people outside the car. My Model 3 doesn t have the speaker but sure would be jealous of those who did if those feature came around. | mechrock | 2019-03-29 15:28:42 | 21 | ejnx9pp | They do? | eyyopomps | 2019-03-29 15:36:26 | 8 | Tesla Model 3 Audio Experience |
bbdn0e | External components of A C really really loud after recent update in Model 3. Seems to be running full battery cooling system instead of just the cabin A C. | I noticed the air conditioner in my Model 3 is very very loud and cycles between loud and slightly less loud about every 10 seconds after my most recent update. Not the air conditioning inside the car mind you but the air conditioning system that s outside of the car by the radiator. All of last year when I used the A C during the summer I never noticed this. It s as if I m Supercharging my car with hot batteries the full battery cooling system seems to be running instead of just the air conditioning. Anyone else? | dcdttu | 2019-04-09 21:28:21 | 46 | eki2n7o | Weirdly enough I was just telling my son the car was louder. He thought I was crazy though. | FuriouslyFurious007 | 2019-04-09 21:35:11 | 17 | Tesla Model 3 Audio Experience |
b081xj | Extra punch?? (2019.5.15) | I know we (Model 3 LR RWD) were supposed to RANGE increase and eventually a 5% power increase. However i just took my car out for a test drive and it is AMAZING how much more power it has. I do not care if they say they are not releasing it for another few days. I have the extra juice and it beyond noticeable. In fact I couldnt stop laughing each time I hit the accelerator. & #x200B Amazing work Tesla Team !! | mitchmarnershands | 2019-03-12 13:55:00 | 77 | eicvrw0 | There s a palpable difference in horsepower available when the car is fully charged. If you don t regularly charge to 100% it can be surprising. Given that we don t have confirmation from Tesla yet it could be that the 5% power increase hasn t landed yet and everyone is excitedly charging their cars to 100% and experiencing the extra horsepower available to them just from that. 😊 Raider1284 posted a graph of dyno numbers at various charge levels here: https: i.imgur.com YzwChjM.jpg Original post: https: reddit.com r TeslaModel3 comments 9wfhki _ e9k85of ?context=1 | ScatterplotDog | 2019-03-12 15:35:21 | 43 | Electric Performance Car Comparison |
wsvdbo | Extracting data of turn signal usage? | I d like to know is there any way I can pull up a json file or something along the lines that can prove I used my turn signal at a specific time? I know Tesla s don t have ODB2 ports so what s the next best thing (not sure if ODB2 ports can pull signal data either but it s just a comparison). The reason is honestly very minor someone scrapped my car by speeding and passing me illegally on the left on a single lane road. It s clearly the other driver s fault and I don t necessarily need the data but it got me thinking in an instance in the future where it s not as clear cut it might be worth learning about all the capabilities the Tesla has to offer. (Also worth noting it was in broad daylight so the repeater cams don t really show the glow of the turn signal.) I looked online and didn t find any info so I thought I d ask here. | Hexofin | 2022-08-20 02:01:20 | 14 | il15cvl | Workaround: * Enable Fart on turn signal in Emissions Testing Mode under toybox. * Then setup a microphone + Raspberry pi in your car to listen for farts (aka turn signal uses) and log the date time to a text file. | casualomlette44 | 2022-08-20 05:01:30 | 31 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
5kiylp | Extreme Cold | I am hoping to get a model 3 as soon as possible after the release of it but I am wondering if anyone has experience with a Tesla in extreme cold climates. I live in northern US and it gets to -40F and know that batteries typically have issues in cold weather so I was wondering how the batteries hold up to these type of conditions and if it is worth even pursuing or maybe have another car for the winter months. | Illmatar | 2016-12-27 09:41:18 | 22 | dbom3rq | TLDL: It is the best winter car I have ever owned. Here is a little checklist I think is important for any car you plan to drive through a cold winter… How does it start? I ve been pretty lucky with my previous cars and have only been stranded a few times when the temp drops and the car just refuses to start. I think one time I killed the 12v battery trying to turn the engine over. Of course that was assuming I had plugged it in (oh the irony but I m referring to block heater). Not plugged in? A few more occurrences where the car refused to start. The Tesla? Well since it doesn t really turn off or on… I ve never had an issue having it go when I wanted to and that includes days where I did left it overnight outside not plugged in. How long does it take to get me warm? I ve had cars with small engines and they took forever to warm up. One car the wife and I drove to the mountains in -20 something weather… we were frozen the whole trip it never blew hot air. I ve had cars with V8s and those warmed up pretty good… about 10 minutes after driving it would be blowing warm air. However if left idling they d take maybe twice as long to get warm. When it is super cold out the Tesla starts blowing warm air in under two minutes. When it is more like -10 or warmer it takes less than a minute. And the car doesn t care if it is moving or not. Plus you can take advantage of its auto preconditioning feature where it learns your schedule (assuming you have a schedule) and it will have the car warm when you get in. Of course you always have the ability to warm the car via the app. And since it is an app and not a keyfob car starter it doesn t matter how far away you are. No more going to the window trying to get close enough . How does it do on the snow and ice? Let s get this out of the way to start tires make the biggest difference for winter driving. Put winter tires on any car! That said… The AWD of the Tesla is great. I m sure other cars have great AWD systems as well. I had a BMW that had AWD but if it was slick out and I floored it in a turn I could still spin out. Not with the Tesla it instantly puts down just the right amount of power based on road conditions. For snowy roads I can raise my cars suspension (a modest amount it doesn t transform into an SUV!) and that has been helpful a few times. Still if you want to go driving through snow covered fields get a truck (or a skidoo!). No matter how good MY car is other cars (and drivers!) can not handle the conditions and hit me. How safe am I? Tesla s Model S got the highest score of a vehicle ever tested by the NHTSA so if I do get into an collision I have a very good chance of being ok. And I ve left the battery to the end... So apparently most batteries don t like being cold and it isn t good for them. My battery never gets cold… it has a heating pack that automatically keeps it at a nominal temperature. If plugged in it will do so off grid power but if unplugged (like a day at work) it does cause some range loss. I have detailed logging set up for my car (not Tesla standard) so to best answer your question I had a look over recent stats. On Dec 8th (one of the coldest days according to weather.gc.ca) it averaged -20 while I was at work. My car sat outside at work for 8 hours. I have a 42KM (round trip) commute. I headed to work with 351KM of range (didn t fully charge my top range is 400KM). Keep in mind ALL cars take an efficiency penalty in cold weather (EVs may be a tad worse but mostly EVs are just scrutinized more). I got home with 244KM range. I lost 45KM just sitting at the office over those 8 hours as my battery warmed itself plus as I mentioned I have extensive data logging happening on my car so the car doesn t sleep as much as Tesla designed it to and (even in warm weather) I lose a bit more range while the car just sits compared to stock Tesla s < but it is a trade I willingly made data can be fun!). This means my 42KM trip actually took 62KM of energy (due to the cold). Still even if every day was this cold (and it is not even with a-15C average the car does significantly better) I could get through about 4 days of driving on one charge… and of course I have the option to simply plug in and start every day with a full charge tank of gas - and boy oh boy do I enjoy not standing outside in -40 (with wind chill) to put gas in my car! And to contrast that to just a month prior Nov 8th which was a rather warm day averaging 13C. My same 42KM commute took 53KM of range again sitting at work for 10hours. | footbag | 2016-12-27 17:24:52 | 17 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
o8e1ub | Extreme temps (at least to me) What do you do? | Hey all was just curious what others do in warmer climates? We are about to hit temperatures that are unheard of here in Vancouver Canada. We are about to hit 43c or ~ 110f. I assume this means with cabin overheat protection on the cars are basically just going to be running AC all day long and not going to sleep. Does everyone just plug their cars in during higher heat days or just live with whatever happens? I ve had one of our two Teslas for almost 3 years and never had to think about this. | Reed82 | 2021-06-26 16:27:59 | 45 | h34ka42 | It s best to be plugged in when not in use anyways. Just plug it in and let it take care of itself. | Kaelang | 2021-06-26 17:39:38 | 48 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8elh1p | Extremely Last Minute Delivery Rescheduling | tl dr: 4 24 11am delivery rescheduled on 4 23 @5:14PM (< 17 hours notice) and a ton of confusion between model 3 team and delivery center. I had an appointment for tomorrow (4 24) delivery at 11am. I moved about 4 meetings and took the day off work told all my coworkers friends and family and had arranged for a friend to go for a ride after pickup. Tonight at 5:04 PM PST I get a call from my rep on the Model 3 team that went something like this: > Mathew: Hi this is Mathew from the Model 3 team am I speaking with Marshall? > Me: This is Marshall what s up? > Mathew: Hey I m just calling because I heard you re postponing your delivery? > Me: What? Now way! I have no idea what you re talking about I plan to pick up tomorrow at 11 as planned > Mathew: Hmm it says in my notes that the delivery center contacted you and you asked to be rescheduled > Me: This is the first I m hearing of this I never asked to be rescheduled I haven t ever even talked to the delivery center... I plan on picking it up tomorrow as we agreed weeks ago > Mathew: Hmm let me call the delivery center and see what s going on > Me: Okay let me know After this call I went on my Tesla account and noticed my delivery had moved to Friday. So at this point I just kind of expected the worst. I waited a few minutes and Mathew called me back at 5:14 PM PST. > Mathew: I just called the delivery center and they said the car is still in transportation and will not be ready for picup tomorrow. We can do Friday or Saturday. > Me: Wow that s really short notice I moved all my meetings took the day off work cancelled my insurance on my trade in effective tomorrow and you guys cancel on me less than 17 hours before my appointment > Mathew: We re really sorry for the inconvenience. > Me: I am planning to be out of town fri-sun this weekend for my dad s 70th birthday party can I do Thursday instead? > Mathew: No the vehicle won t be ready until Friday. > Me: Fine I ll change my trip plans and leave a day late > Mathew: Sorry about all this I told you as soon as I knew *All quotes are paraphrased.* I m kinda miffed. I mean I ve waited 2 years for this thing so what s a couple more days. That s not the issue. The issue is if my car is actually 3 days away that means they ve know that for at least 3 days and instead of letting me know with time to make alternate plans they tell me outside of working hours the night before i m supposed to take delivery. And on top of that it started out with some crap about it being my idea to postpone. Like the left hand REALLY doesn t know what the right hand is doing. It just looks so unprofessional. So now I am scrambling to get my insurance turned back on reschedule all my Friday meetings on short notice inform my friend that tomorrows plans to ride around and I have to get gas one last time (I thought I was done w that :p). I m a first time Tesla owner and right now i m not feeling the best about the customer service. It feels like I m dealing with a shady used car dealership not a highly respected company Anyway thought I d share. It isn t the end of the world but it definitely bummed me out some! | xijio | 2018-04-24 15:54:17 | 50 | dxw3la6 | You should send Tesla a letter email about this and tweet Elon as well. They need to know this kind of crap is going on. Obviously someone lied to cover their ass on the late delivery and blaming it on the customer is unacceptable. | beenyweenies | 2018-04-24 16:12:04 | 21 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8osdcz | FEATURE REQUEST: Drift track mode on performance cars. | One thing about Tesla s that I miss from its combustion powered alternates is the ability to drift or even rotate the back end of the car around corners. Now I know this was possible with the P85 s but it doesn t seem to be a possibility with the strict stability and traction control systems on recent dual motor Tesla s. As fun as brain mashing acceleration is something that would really grab the love of driving enthusiasts would be a drive mode called ‘drift or ‘track (similar to the Ford Focus RS video link below). This could be done via software to allow limited power on front motor and maximum on rear motor as well as tuning the stability control to allow some degree of oversteer and extra wheel spin. This may be difficult considering all Tesla s have open differentials with torque vectoring via the abs system but it s worth bringing it up. I tweeted Elon about this recently but (expectedly) didn t grab his attention. Am I alone on this? Or are there already enough high profile Tesla crashes for them to justify allowing drivers to drift their cars? https: youtu.be RDOwINfojoY | Schmeltz318 | 2018-06-05 16:47:34 | 22 | e05sa5v | > Now I know this was possible with the P85 s It s actually not. The P85 allows some slip even with traction enabled and with traction disabled it creates a plume of smoke when you try to go forward but if you attempt to do donuts with traction disabled the car still grunts and groans and attempts to stop you from having fun - to fully enjoy smoke donuts in the P85 you have to remove the traction fuse entirely. There s definitely some second tier of traction still enabled when the switch says traction off. I haven t tried removing the traction fuse in my AWD car I have no idea what that will do. | mark-five | 2018-06-05 17:31:06 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5lxffb | FF 91: 3D lidar 10 HD cameras 13 long and short range radars and 12 ultrasonic sensors - Why does Tesla have such a different approach to the sensors needed for Level 5 autonomy? | FF 91 will feature autonomous driving with 3D lidar 10 high-definition cameras 13 long and short range radars and 12 ultrasonic sensors. So not only FF is planning on using Lidar (we know already that Tesla doesn t think it is necessary) but also numerous radars. I think some people were surprised to not see more radars on Tesla s AP 2.0 sensor suite. Why does Tesla have such a different approach to the sensors needed for self-driving compared to other companies? I think they are trying to match human capabilities (we obviously don t have radar capabilities) and keep it affordable whereas the other competitors are trying to get as much information as possible for their system to drive autonomously. I can t wrap my head around such differences between them. In both cases we have talented engineers working on the same problem but they come up with wildly different approaches. I think 13 radars and lidar might be overkill. 4 Lidars like on the VW I.D. Concept is definitely a waste of money. | Sramyaguchi | 2017-01-04 05:57:43 | 14 | dbz842x | Price. Tesla s full autonomous capability is a total of I think $8 000 by itself. How much do you think this FF 91 s will be? Tens of thousands of dollars by itself. | MrGruntsworthy | 2017-01-04 06:19:44 | 26 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5lwyao | FF91 vs Tesla Model X | Viewing the Faraday Future presentation this evening from the perspective of a new X owner and father of a toddler and infant the rear doors of the FF91 appear to be poorly designed for carseats. And what about cargo space? With that lidar in the front I don t imagine there being much of a frunk. I m sure there s a trunk- wonder if it ll fit a double stroller. I hope the end product ends up being more versatile than it appears to be thus far so it appeals to a more varied market. For the sake of the EV market I d really like FF to succeed. | SUMD_X | 2017-01-04 04:17:05 | 30 | dbz4gf0 | It s clearly a $200k car specifically made for millionnaires. | Cubicbill1 | 2017-01-04 04:33:21 | 39 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dr5y6 | FIX - iPhone X - Bluetooth fails to connect after 2018.14.13 | Hopefully this helps others that run into this issue. *Obligatory: I am not a technician. If you have issues with your car seek advice from a Tesla support technician. Your mileage may vary.* Updated to 2018.14.13 last night. Chill mode shows as active. Update appeared to have worked without issue. Drove to work this morning without bluetooth problems. Was able to use phone as key and stream music. This afternoon was heading to the service center to drop off someone so they could also pick up their Model 3 when my phone stopped being able to connect. When we got in the car it never connected. Attempted to reboot my phone. Turn off bluetooth and re-enable. The car actually was showing 0 devices paired where my wife s phone should have been showing up in addition to my own. We weren t able to pair the phone on the drive over. Upon arrival at the service center one of the technicians came out so we could troubleshoot. Apparently a common issue with iPhone X users is that the car will attempt to connect to the Apple Watch instead of the phone. I don t have an Apple Watch so that wasn t my issue. The other strange symptom is that on my phone in the list of connected bluetooth devices there were 4 different devices showing as connected. They didn t have the i for me to choose to forget them disconnect. Their names were also about 15 characters long and just letters and numbers and the are nothing I recognized (nor did the technician). The fix ended up being a scroll wheel reboot . When pressing in both scroll wheels until the screen goes black (release when it goes black) that performs a soft reboot of the system (maybe just the screen control center?). After the reboot my wife s phone showed up. Mine was still gone since we had forgotten it on my phone and removed it. I was able to pair it again without issue. | zbowman | 2018-04-20 21:27:42 | 13 | dxpbpm3 | The devices you saw would have ended in the following letters: D P C R (or T can t remember which off the top of my head). These are the bluetooth low energy transceivers (beacons) that are on the driver side passenger side center console and rear trunk. They re used to help triangulate range to your phone. Incidentally I ve been using these to calculate range to the *car* for the app I ve been working on. | run-the-joules | 2018-04-20 21:32:19 | 11 | Tesla phone key functionality |
64jboc | FL to PA on AP2 - 1000 miles on 8.1 | Hi everyone. I just did a 1000 mile trip on AP2 100% of the time (other than to go charge!) no problems what s so ever. Easiest 18hr drive I ve ever had. It even pulled a few evasive maneuvers when a few cars almost swerved into me. Here s where I d like improvements: -Smoother auto-LaneChange. -Don t hug the side of the lane when there s a 16 wheeler next to you -Having to nudge the steering wheel every minute is awful and almost caused a problem multiple times. (Also very annoying on a 18hr drive) - Wish it would slow down a bit on some sharper turns. - Following distance could be smaller. | caz0 | 2017-04-10 12:40:00 | 75 | dg2km3g | Regarding nudging the steering wheel. On AP1 I just rest my hand at the bottom of the wheel. I don t hold it I just rest it there. I feel what the car is doing and it feels I am there. Does that work on AP2? I can understand not wanting to hold the wheel at all but as far as I understand it is really not a design criteria for Tesla at Level 2. It says so clearly when one engages the autopilot. | bjelkeman | 2017-04-10 13:17:38 | 20 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
fh6ggs | FM Radio doesn t work on model 3 | I let the $10 mo the thing expire Now the FM radio doesn t work I just get spinning icons. Is that supposed to happen!? | Expert_Gur | 2020-03-11 23:17:55 | 17 | fk953tp | No that is definitely not notmal. FM radio is not part of the premium connectivity package. Have you tried to reboot the center display? Press and hold the two scroll wheels on the steering wheel until the screen turns off. | DDotJ | 2020-03-11 23:21:31 | 28 | Spotify Gapless Playback |
mh2e4c | FR: Allow dialing in a temperature zone instead of a single temperature value. | On days when the temperature varies a lot it is necessary to warm up the car in the mornings but then have to run the AC in the afternoon. Instead of fiddling with the temperature setting it would be nice if the car warmed up to say 20C 68F using the heater but only cooled down to 26C 80F using the AC. Between those temperatures the climate can remain off (or fan only). | insanityzwolf | 2021-03-31 09:31:07 | 65 | gswemxf | Considering I was driving 200 miles in rain and had to keep adjusting up down just 1 degree F to be comfortable toggling between two values the problem is more the system trying to be overly efficient and lagging too long to use power and respond and it doesn t seem to have the proper cabin IR detection capability. The best system I ever had was in a Saab 9000 it was a true set and forget taking in exterior temp interior temp sunlight (IR intensity and angle sensor in cabin was key to system) oversized A C and substantial heat capacity to deliver the set temp consistently. These days a lot of companies say they take these into account but for some reason don t seem to match the system response. Understandable that the Tesla system is designed and programmed to be efficient but commuting and around town I d like a ‘prioritize the human over energy setting put a little icon that toggles between a human and a robot. | PulseDialInternet | 2021-03-31 10:04:42 | 32 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
uwg29t | FREE Tesla Supercharging at select locations (May 27-30 2022) | [https: www.tesla.com holiday-supercharging](https: www.tesla.com holiday-supercharging) **Dates:** Friday May 27 2022 to Monday May 30 2022 **Hours:** Before 10:00 AM and after 7:00 PM * Tesla owners can get free supercharging at select locations in Arizona California Colorado Florida Nevada New Mexico Oklahoma and Texas listed on that page. | brooklynlad | 2022-05-24 01:59:06 | 120 | i9rbthz | Why only in southern states? Understand CA always busy but the other southern states as well but not any central or northern areas? Edit: southern 1 3 of country not typical southern states | BenTrainPi | 2022-05-24 02:05:22 | 20 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
u2ei17 | FSD 10.11.2 finally going out to (hopefully) everyone else already in the beta program. | Check your car for updates. | R5Jockey | 2022-04-13 01:18:13 | 253 | i4itfnz | Got it. Not any better for me in the DC area. Doesn t yet seem worse so I guess that s something. Still lots of unnecessary braking. Slowing down excessively when there are intersections close together despite having all green lights. Unnecessary lane changes. And my favorite thing that will never not baffle me changing lanes away from the lane needed for an imminent turn. | Far_Lychee_3417 | 2022-04-13 03:44:48 | 70 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
raatcy | FSD 10.6 improvements | Definite improvement over 10.5. Some notable updates in driving on my regular routes: 1. On a 4 lane highway where center divider becomes the left turn lane both directions: Unprotected left with oncoming car also making an unprotected left. Waited appropriately and correctly tracked the velocities of the oncoming cars as they disappeared behind behind the vehicles waiting to take their left turns. I had a tough time personally keeping track of all the oncoming cars but FSD did so correctly. This was a scenario where 10.4 and 10.5 would either wait too long or try to jump infront of oncoming traffic. 2. Right hand turn onto the same highway where the “curb” is a painted white line with cross hatching to denote “no man s land”. 10.4 and 10.5 would be very indecisive about where to drive and would weave into the hatching. Turn wasn t very smooth but it picked the correct line this time. 3. Reduced spouse passenger nag triggers: Micro braking is still happening but this version it is a slight momentary lift off of the accelerator instead of a full lift regen brake. 4. Stopping at the stop signs actually stops in the right place. Even on assertive in residential areas it still waits too long to actually make the go determination when things are clear. 5. Unmapped and recent road reconfigurations are a challenge for it. It didn t know how to do the controlled left across 3 lanes despite some markings being present. To be fair it was unclear if it was a double left or not. | jcurve347 | 2021-12-06 16:11:19 | 159 | hnhjezl | I got 10.6 yesterday morning. I started with 10.3 a month+ ago (2017 S75D). I had my first 0 disengagement drive home from work finally last night! There are a bunch of weird intersections and non-painted or badly painted lines so it still has some issues but it took me the whole way home last night yay! :) It did not take me 100% to work though. I do have to nudge the accelerator at some intersections etc. | Quitthatgrit | 2021-12-06 18:11:20 | 30 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
rfgdl2 | FSD 10.6.1 - Curbed it | Just had my first *brief* drive on FSD 10.6.1 it has some improvements over 10.5 however there s some regression as well. 2017 Model X w AP 2.5 cameras. It was dark out. Unfortunately the drive did not get off to a great start. [One of the first turns](https: imgur.com NmBVgcG) it had to take it put me in a position to curb it. This intersection gave 10.2 issues but it got better after 10.2 with 10.5 handling it perfectly including at night. Today it choked in the middle of the intersection and I took control however there was a vehicle behind me and I didn t have enough maneuvering room to correct how bad the angle of the turn was so I ended up running over the curb with my driver side tires both of them. Thankfully I guess it was more of a head on curbing than a side swiping one so there s no damage to the vehicle. **To be clear** *I the driver* curbed it while in control of the car. FSD Beta just put me in a position where that s what happened when I took control. I was further to the left than I thought I was and this intersection has worked fine for a couple versions now. Normally when I intervene there s room for the course correction. FSD Beta lined me up badly but I was in control at the time of curbing. FYI [this is the curb in question](https: imgur.com PZMF8pl) which is a not a bad one to drive over. But still not fun. The next few intersections were just straight throughs it handled those fine. [This intersection here](https: imgur.com YxdM4jp) though there was an improvement. Prior to 10.5 this on ramp was handled fine. 10.5 used to try to come to a complete stop at the yellow line however 10.6.1 no longer does this anymore so that s a welcome improvement. When getting off of aa highway I got to [this intersection](https: imgur.com D4wtaa1) where the vehicle needed to follow the red line but followed the yellow one instead ultimately trying to put me in the turn lane which was not what needed to happen there. After going straight through a number of intersection we then came to my turn [here](https: imgur.com PHQONQr) which the car just completely failed at. It didn t slow down fast enough and it tried to get into the turn lane too late I ended up having to take direct control to take the turn. There was also [this section of road here](https: imgur.com 2GZE45N) where the car tried to stay in the middle of the road *until* it got to the speed bumps where I guess the markings on the road told it which side of was which and it centered. It made no attempt to slow down for either of these speed bumps so I had to take control and bring the speed down. When approaching the 2nd speed bump I had to take control sooner because the vehicle had me in the middle of the road with a short bus coming towards me the car seemed to not know or care that I was not centered on my side of the road. [This turn](https: imgur.com QGabfPy) was handled slowly but properly. [This turn here](https: imgur.com f1g4bME) was handled 100% properly. [This turn here](https: imgur.com CH7b10K) had some issues. The way the line is drawn is probably accurate wiggles and all. It took it fine but it wasn t smooth. [This intersection](https: imgur.com 43QowD6) was one I ve been wanting to see the vehicle handle for a while but I wasn t paying attention and goofed it. The car was supposed to follow the red line however it tried to follow the yellow line instead. The issue here is that in retrospect the car did what it was supposed to. My error was in not realizing the path that the car was taking to get home. I *thought* was it going to take the highway but it wasn t it was going to use the back roads. So it took the turn properly but the maneuver not working was me not realizing where the car was trying to go. That being said that s honestly one of my biggest gripes about this thing. You get into a comfort zone about what the car is doing and how close it is to what you d be doing if you were actually driving that when it tries to do something that s right but not what you were going to do then you end up thinking there was an issue when in fact there was no issues that s just not the route you thought you were taking. Hopefully that makes sense. Route failed because we weren t on the same page as to what the route was basically. This is the 2nd time I ve had this experience while driving. After all the highway bits [this turn here](https: imgur.com AaYK1jj) was handled better. Probably the best handling of it so far to be honest. Normally when it takes this turn there s a lot of indecisiveness about whether to get into the turn lane or the far right lane but in this case it go into the middle lane like it should have properly. [This intersection](https: imgur.com xrMVXxA) was in my opinion not handled well at all. We were stuck behind a semi truck going slowly over the tracks following the path of the red arrow however the car tried to change lines in the middle of the intersection to follow the yellow line. The car *must* stop trying to change lanes in the middle of the intersection. This one here in particular is just a messy intersection to go through. 10.5 seemed to be an improvement in this department as I ve seen it abort lane changes when it realized they d happen in the middle of the intersection but 10.6.1 seems to be a little more insistent on doing it. The turn in to my community was poorly handled though. This is the 2nd time when trying to take the turn where the car handled it badly. In this case it seemed to not even see the intersection and didn t attempt to slow down. I had to take direct control and do aggressive braking to get it down to speed enough to take the turn. So some improvements but some regressions here too. | Nakatomi2010 | 2021-12-13 14:01:32 | 67 | hods8fy | You brave soul pathing the path for the rest of us. I lasted only a week with the beta before I had to give it up (really bad experience). | matttopotamus | 2021-12-13 14:35:00 | 35 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
xi1zss | FSD 10.69 owners do you feel more relaxed using it? Is it worth $10k? | Thanks to the people who replied to my last post. I want to ask the other FSD owners opinion this time. I ordered MYLR last October when the FSD option was $10k. The car is projected to be delivered in the next couple weeks. I can still get it for $10k until delivery. I asked the one Tesla FSD beta owner that I knew who told me he “probably wouldn t spend $10k for FSD”. It was 10.12 at that time. I decided to not go with FSD because 1) Musk kept on saying it “will be ready by the end of year” many years ago 2) you can try subscribe 3) if you lose change the car then the money is wasted 4) no promise you actually get selected to beta test and 5) it s far from a L4–5 system. However that was before 10.69. 10.69 footages impressed me. It feels like a real leap forward. Seeing the AI navigates Chuck s turn w o intervention most of the time was exciting. Hat tip to the Tesla developers. What about another 3 years of improving the technology? The Y will be my commuter car (about 12mi suburb local road 25–50mph no highway 40mins each way). I would love to have a car that drives myself to and back from work even at a L2 system if it makes me feel relaxed at the wheel! When you use FSD on local drives do you feel more relaxed and less tired? Would you get it if you are in my shoes? | creekholiday | 2022-09-19 04:37:58 | 48 | ip1ryod | Not at all. Some maneuvers are smoother but it still makes catastrophic errors. There is no way anyone would get into this robotaxi. Outstanding issues on every drive: - Lane selection. Zero anticipation of correct and safe lane. Will ride in wrong lane in heavy traffic for more than a mile and then in the last 0.1 mile try to change 1 or 2 lanes to make the turn. Unsafe annoying to other drivers. Unnecessary. Anticipating the upcoming turn 0.5-1 mile ahead where possible would avoid issue. - Unprotected left hand turn with wide rightward veer. When about to take a left turn it will veer too far right into the lane. Traffic coming from behind in the right hand lane have had to veer and honk. - Bypassing cars ahead waiting to turn or at a stop light. Behavior is way too aggressive. When stopped in a line awaiting an unprotected left it will try to go around the car in front. I have a routine UPL with a double yellow line that FSD will drive over into oncoming traffic. Also when at a stop light with a car ahead FSD will try to creep between the car ahead and the lane to the left when there are only two lanes. - Soeed limits. Dramatically worse recognition of speed limits. 45mph zone will take a turn and proceed at 25mph in traffic. Constantly having to dial up speed. - Random lane changes to “follow route”. Have a 1 mile stretch of road on home commute. Turn at end is left. Will start in left lane try to change into right then back into left then back into right about 0.1 mile from turn. If heavy traffic will slow almost to a crawl to make lane change. No reason at all for this. Nobody I know will ride in the car if I use FSD as a rule. Friends family. Hoping they fix these issues. Until then I d wait. I use FSD for about three trips with each update mark the errors and send in reports then wait until the next update. I ve had FSD since the start have had car since early 2018. Edit: typos. | PyeMD | 2022-09-19 11:02:02 | 162 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
ye8xxt | FSD Alternate Routes (sort of) | I learned today that you can long press a spot on the map to bring up an option to add a stop in navigation. If you are testing fsd and want to force it to go a certain route you can easily add stops along the way like this instead of trying to input addresses. Just be sure to delete the stop after you ve forced the car to go the different route or it will try to stop. Looking at Chuck s Memorial Park drive as an example where he disengages to force it certain route where this may be helpful. | kyinfosec | 2022-10-26 21:05:26 | 11 | itx2ofe | Yeah waypoints were added towards the end of last year. I just wish there was an option to automatically start navigating to the next waypoint when you arrive at one. Hopefully they ll add that. | ChunkyThePotato | 2022-10-26 22:52:11 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
qjfcl4 | FSD Auto High Beam | Is there any way to disable auto high beams while using FSD beta? Being forced to use it makes FSD unusable at night for me… Oncoming traffic keeps shining their brights at me because mine turn off too late. | apteka47 | 2021-10-31 01:36:54 | 140 | hipy6ar | I really wish tesla would just pony up the couple dollars per car and install dedicated rain and headlight sensors | [deleted] | 2021-10-31 02:39:30 | 130 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
j855xc | FSD Automatically turns into Closed I-95 Express lane Gates (Version 2020.36.3.1) | Was driving with FSD activated on I-95 North last night and FSD kept trying to take the express lane on-ramp but the only problem is that the gates for the northbound express lane were closed... Traffic on the express lane was going south bound aka I would have hit the closed gates as well as any oncoming traffic. I had to take over the steering wheel to steer away from the gates. Seems like a pretty easy bug to fix but definitely on the more dangerous side of bugs. The software version was 2020.36.3.1. & #x200B EDIT: This occurred just north of Stafford VA. 38°27 27.0 N 77°24 30.2 W & #x200B & #x200B https: reddit.com link j855xc video o9i7ko37b4s51 player | zestypasta123 | 2020-10-09 19:07:18 | 93 | g88t8ay | Given the 1900 mile length of I-95 you may want to be somewhat more specific. | run-the-joules | 2020-10-09 19:11:00 | 67 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
pvsndj | FSD Beta 10.1 - Clip Megathread | We are starting clip megathreads on a per FSD Beta Version basis. This version: **10.1** (2021.24.17) [YouTube Search](https: youtube.com results?sp=mAEA& search_query=FSD+Beta+10.1) [Twitter Web Search](https: twitter.com search?q=%23FSDBeta%2010.1& src=typed_query& f=live) [Software Updates Wiki](https: reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates ) - FSD Beta Megathreads will be added here now as well. Share your clips and discoveries here. Sort by New to see the latest. | 110110 | 2021-09-26 12:12:20 | 278 | hecjiu3 | Didn t realize this thread is a thing now I ll post my video here: [https: youtu.be 0pJ7E8f5auI](https: youtu.be 0pJ7E8f5auI) As always no need to watch but will always make it clearer what changes have been made. * 1:14 Improvement over 10.01 - Turns blinker on for turn at correct time * 1:23 Improvement over 10.01 - Can see lane lines better * 1:42 Needs Improvement - Swerved onto highway * 5:00 Needs Improvement Should slow sooner instead of jamming on brakes * 6:05 Improvement over 10.01 - Slowed very well for car in my lane * 6:38 Needs Improvement - Didn t pull up to the line * 7:02 Improvement over 10.01 - Slowed for yellow light better * 7:50 Needs Improvement - Should slow sooner * 8:23 Downgrade from 10.01 - wonky right turn * 9:22 Needs to start going through flashing yellow * 9:30 Good - Made it through intersection * 9:32 Needs Improvement - Shouldn t have gone in turn lane * 10:13 Improvement over 10.01 - Stayed centered in lane passing turn lane better * 10:37 Needs Improvement - went into turn lane instead of staying straight * 10:39 Improvement over 10.01 - Gracefully Corrected itself * 11:39 Needs Improvement - Braked for no reason * 11:41 Needs Improvement - Shouldn t go into turn lane * 12:08 Improvement over 10.01 - More confidant on getting into turn lane I m pretty happy with this version disappointed that it doesn t appear to be full stack yet but soon enough we ll have it! Let me know if you have any questions! | mechrock | 2021-09-26 14:09:49 | 260 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
t196u3 | FSD Beta 10.10.2 - Model X versus Model 3 | As both my Model X and 3 are synced up on FSD Beta 10.10.2 I wanted to take a moment and do a brief comparison of how the beta runs on both of them. The Model X biggest the biggest Tesla and the Model 3 being the smallest I thought it d be interesting to see a bit of a comparison is how the beta handles in the different sized vehicles and the different ages. I tried to keep the time of day and the route as close as possible however the cars at time chose different navigation routes to get to destinations and The Model X traveled [this path]( https: imgur.com z8zANQm) while the Model 3 traveled [this path]( https: imgur.com RdwlGsA). Any deviations in the two routes are the result of the Tesla navigation system deciding to route differently with the exception of one spot where I force it to go in a different direction. You can watch the Model X drive using [this link here]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw) and the Model 3 drive is [here]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4) The Model X is a 2017 with AP 2.5 cameras and the Model 3 is a 2019 SR+. Both had their radars turned off when they joined the FSD Beta. The X is my daily driver and the 3 is my wife s daily driver. This is important to note if you watch the videos because the 3 has *a lot* of accidental disengagements because I wasn t used to how sensitive it is. Anyone who says they have a hard time disengaging FSD Beta can go take a hike. *Super* easy to disengage the thing which let to a lot of accidental disengagements. The short and skinny of the experience was: * The Model X tends to be more uncertain when the roads are narrow while the Model 3 doesn t. Largely because of its size. * The Model 3 tends to angle the wheels left a bit before it turns right. The Model X does not. * The Model X doesn t have a cabin camera as such I didn t get nearly as many nags as the Model 3. Some of the Model 3 nags were bullshit though. Hands were *always* on the wheel as torqued as much as possible while not disengaging. * The Model X doesn t automatically turn on auto high beams. The video above is recording with the high beams off the entire time. The Model 3 forces the high beams on when Autopilot is engaged so I just let them do their thing. * The Model 3 tends to do some *really* tight turns that look like it s going to curb versus the Model X which I feel does them more comfortably. * Neither vehicle seems more or less confident in what it can do and for the most part operate in the same manner aside from the above noted differences Some interesting moments in the video are * Neither vehicle slows down for railroad tracks. [Model X]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=300s) versus [Model 3]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=235s) * Like ever. [Model X]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=735s) versus [Model 3]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=695s) * Seriously though railroad tracks [Model X]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=885s) versus [Model 3]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=855s) * FSD Beta seems to have issues crossing two lane one-way roads. Model X [1]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=232s) [2]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=910s) versus Model 3 [1]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=165s) [2]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=900s) * When making left turns to a two lane one-way street the vehicle appears to have a bias for going into the right most lane despite the left one being a better option. I assume this is a training issue of “Oh turning left? Ok get into the right lane” while semi ignoring the directionality of the road. [Model X goes right into right lane]( https: youtu.be DhojqzAeOzw?t=952) versus [Model 3 goes right into the right lane]( https: youtu.be bgliFK9frQ4?t=925) * Road closures do trip the vehicles up. This isn t a perfect comparison because barricades were up and closer to the road for the Model X and the Model 3 didn t have the barricades. Fence and “Stop” were still there for both vehicles though. Model X [1]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=1275s) [2]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=2630s) versus Model 3 [1]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=1255s) [2]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=2285s) * Uncertainty braking occurs as vehicles enter periphery however less bad with big trucks. [Model X]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=2865s) versus [Model 3]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=2600s) (Start at those points. That entire stretch of road has trucks off and on) * Traffic conditions make a world of difference for some maneuvers. [Model X]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=1650s) versus [Model 3](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=1595s) * But otherwise the issues can be *very* consistent. Model X [1]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=2235s) [2]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=2370s) [3]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=4300s) [4]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=4320s) versus Model 3 [1]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=2095s) [2]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=2160s) [3]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=3945s) [4]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=3960s) * But can also be inconsistent where the Model X didn t try something the Model 3 had no complaints about and vice versa. Model X [1]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=3020s) [2]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DhojqzAeOzw& t=555s) versus Model 3 [1]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=2660s) [2]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgliFK9frQ4& t=497s) Other than that it s about what you d expect. | Nakatomi2010 | 2022-02-25 17:17:24 | 126 | hyf2nll | Look at this guy with TWO Teslas with FSD Beta and here I am with my measly 99 Safety Score waiting since November. But thank you for this post and the ability to compare contrast this was really interesting! | LurkerWithAnAccount | 2022-02-25 19:21:48 | 60 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
sx90j0 | FSD Beta 10.10.2 - Writeup | 2017 Model X 100D w AP 2.5 cameras. [This is the route of the drive being written up](https: imgur.com UXXr7QV) The first leg of the trip was to visit the Supercharger being built in Plant City FL. The first intersection encountered was [this one here](https: imgur.com SLl9HEw) which needs a bit of explaining. The intention is to go right later on. The optimum lane to be in when turning at the first intersection is to be in the right left. The right lane is a turn only lane once you get past this light so failing to be in the right lane means changing lanes as you approach the light. The red line indicates the path the vehicle should have taken and the yellow line is what happened. It took quite a while for the vehicle to successfully change from the left lane to the right lane due to traffic not letting me in. An interesting observation though is that the vehicle kept accelerating to try and get ahead of traffic and get in front of a car. Ultimately one of the vehicles on my right slowed down a bit and let me in. Once I got to the following intersection the car attempted to brake in the middle of the turn. The light was admittedly red but the turn lane is a dedicated lane that goes to another dedicated lane so I understand why it was braking but I hit the go pedal to keep it moving forward. The vehicle then successfully navigated to the [U-Turn lane](https: imgur.com Ff0j2Ft) before getting to the Wawa. The car was mapping a left turn onto the Interstate four offramp instead of trying to make a U-turn. I ultimately had to disengage and perform the maneuver myself. Once done I drive around the Wawa [took a picture of the superchargers being built](https: imgur.com MvxKj4J) and drove away. Upon doubling back the vehicle changed into the left lane to avoid a slowing vehicle which was neat but now put me in the wrong lane for the next light. [At the next intersection](https: imgur.com JFadIGq) it s best to be in the right lane because you ll be making a right further up the road. As I was in the left lane the vehicle basically did a repeat of what it was doing before. It accelerated quickly to get in front of the vehicle ahead of me and then turned right without issues. [At the next major intersection](https: imgur.com db3oc5V) the vehicle had to make a right on red but it came to a stop at the yellow line and just sat there. The lanes going north were all turning to the left in front of me so I hit the go pedal to get the vehicle moving again. I honestly wished I was recording this trip because I had another vehicle slowing down ahead of me and my vehicle cut into the left lane again this time while [heading into a merge](https: imgur.com mNo5SNQ) my vehicle essentially did the same thing as before. It accelerated ahead of the vehicle next to me and off we went. It did the lane change at the yellow line. [This intersection here](https: imgur.com qwQEheR) it had issues with. It got into the turn lane properly but then choked when trying to go. Initially it was to yield to a car turning in front of me but then it just couldn t get its shit together so I hit the go pedal to go. [This left turn](https: imgur.com opw8Qiu) was handled about 80% well. While approaching the intersection there was oncoming traffic. I wouldn t have stopped and taken the turn fast. The vehicle on the other hand had a clear marker where it determined No wait for the cars to pass then turn . It then stopped abruptly to let the cars pass. The car behind me got crazy close as I don t think they expected me to stop then my vehicle made the turn properly once the way was clear. [While driving south on said road there s *a lot* of tree cover](https: imgur.com dkt3Eq8) and the light kept dancing through. The vehicle did *a lot* of braking tapping while it was trying to get its shit together. The road is also freshly paved with little dots in the middle to denote the lane markings as well as a cyclist was approaching in the center of the oncoming lane. The vehicle had a lot of stimuli to process and eventually it got through it. No disengagements but a lot of braking. Nothing super hard just safety slow downs . [This intersection here](https: imgur.com 1m2U8cp) continues to be problematic. The stop line is where the white line is but the stop sign is where the orange line is so the car stops at the stop sign then tries to creep all the way to the white line before turning left. I leaned forward saw the way was clear and hit the go pedal to go. [This turn here](https: imgur.com WulcMyp) was taken at a decent speed but the car crossed into the oncoming traffic lane by about a foot or so. That s been an issue for a while. [This roundabout was handled poorly](https: imgur.com D1vcOgV). It s a newer roundabout but still handled badly. Red line indicated the expected path yellow line indicates what it tried to do. It first tried to exist at the first exit I took control and then re-engaged it. When coming out of the roundabout it tried to go into the bike lane before going into its own lane. I largely blame the fancy bricking and lack of lines at the beginning of the roundabout exit. I then disengaged Autopilot and threw in a new destination. [Going through the same roundabout a second time](https: imgur.com 1QowaZZ) a red line indicated my path and the yellow line indicates the path of a car in the roundabout before me. My vehicle decided to try and enter the roundabout when the oncoming vehicle and I were both at the blue lines. The oncoming vehicle did not mouth nice things from in their cabin when I hit the brakes. [This turn here](https: imgur.com 52RDb5X) was handled badly again my vehicle took me about a foot into oncoming traffic. [The following intersection was handled poorly](https: imgur.com GYdQJSt) the red arrow denotes what should have happened and the yellow arrow is what actually happened. It ultimately took the turn fine though but had a car been coming towards me it wouldn t have been pretty. [At the next intersection](https: imgur.com TQZAoOq) it was a four way stop. My vehicle stopped however I had to hit the go pedal on my turn as it didn t go on its own and was causing confusion. [At the next intersection](https: imgur.com FXiKkua) the car tried to turn into a business instead of at the light. Disengagement was necessary here. So to me there s some interesting improvements but as always still some work that needs to be done. | Nakatomi2010 | 2022-02-20 19:22:18 | 82 | hxqs2pt | Interesting write-up! > but the car crossed into the oncoming traffic lane by about a foot or so. That s been an issue for a while. Please continue to report it to Tesla. | m0nk_3y_gw | 2022-02-20 20:08:14 | 28 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
u7w4sd | FSD Beta 10.11.2 write-up | 2017 Model X 100D w AP 2.5 cameras. I didn t get FSD Beta 10.11.2 until the last wave and then I didn t have a decent write up worthy drive until this past weekend. [This drive is to a Target on Harden Blvd in Lakeland FL]( https: imgur.com NrLgDee). The first turn was a left turn at [this intersection]( https: imgur.com zxd6djO). The intersection has been problematic since 10.2. [The stop sign is a little set back from the road]( https: www.google.com maps @27.9981565 -82.0946071 3a 75y 105.41h 90t data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4TnvN0IK-RAZfj4LPk-WDQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D4TnvN0IK-RAZfj4LPk-WDQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D107.33592%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) which results in the vehicle *slowly* creeping for visibility. The vehicle had an opportunity to go however while it went faster than before in this case it choked where the blue line is. I ultimately had to hit the gas to get it going again. You can see it play out [here](https: youtu.be uXtAmOtyzDE). The choke is a little hard to see but when the vehicle basically floors it is right after it happened. At [the next intersection]( https: imgur.com aaKRjSW) the vehicle had to make a left turn it failed to do so properly. The vehicle attempted to turn left into the oncoming traffic lane requiring me to disengage and get it back on track. There was a car approaching in the oncoming lane so I didn t let the situation play out to see if it would recover. On previous versions this turn was handled fine so this is technically a regression of sorts here. There are some four way stops on Medulla those were handled with ease and no issues. Further up the road however is an issue that causes me strife any time I travel down Medulla Rd. [As you can see in the Street View of the road]( https: www.google.com maps @27.9819894 -82.0617008 3a 75y 120.01h 69t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st6mUxz8uxvVWdx0CDO8--w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) as you reach the end of Medulla the lane marks start to go away. The vehicle then starts to hit the brakes and center itself in the middle of the road versus having a moment of “Well there were lines so I ll just keep hanging out over here until they come back”. Instead the vehicle it s the brakes and starts to drive a little unpredictably until the lane markings come back. [The next intersection]( https: imgur.com 8Xy446B) was a left turn which the car handled fine. That said that the vehicle handled it at all is pretty impressive when you go to the [Street View of the road]( https: www.google.com maps @27.9820539 -82.0569554 3a 75y 114.82h 69.81t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOdDgjh4Gj5JFRtY84wthiw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) because the lane markings here are absolute shit but the vehicle was able to figure it out get into the turn lane and turn with no issues. You can watch that [here]( https: youtu.be XjPhEU3XFmw) if you want. While driving to the next intersection there was a real stop sign that someone found and was using on their property as a sort of “Stop here for boiled peanuts” or something. [FSD Beta ignored the stop sign]( https: youtu.be jXliM-jnT-A) which is what we want to see. The [next major intersection]( https: imgur.com ZCrtioM) was a right turn which the vehicle took fine. Further along the road is [these blinky yellows]( https: www.google.com maps @27.9966416 -82.0112363 3a 75y 112.64h 90t data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scpmL8BamMjFR-ct4OGxzNA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DcpmL8BamMjFR-ct4OGxzNA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D115.27895%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) which honestly the car used to ignore but now it gets herky jerky with them. If there s a lead car it tends not to be a problem but when there s no lead car the vehicle doesn t realize it is blinking. This has been a problem since 10.2 but it varies in severity. The lead car thing is newer to the last couple of versions but you have to maintain like 45-50mph for the lead car thing to work slower and it seems to react to the lights at the last moment before you go under them. The next spot is might just be interesting to me but when going through [this intersection here]( https: imgur.com YGmH8V2) the vehicle is expected to transition from a two lane bidirectional road to a two lane one way road. It handles it fine no issues but from a logic stand point it always pleases me to see it handle it. [The next intersection]( https: imgur.com wkpTP5e) is… Tricky… They recently changed within the last 6-9 months the flow of the intersection. It used to be that the two left lanes were turn only the two center lanes were to go straight and the right lane was to go right. After the reconfiguration the three left lanes go left the next lane goes straight and the right lane goes right. Despite 10.11.2 s update supposed to “read the intersections better” and “rely less on navigation heuristics” the vehicle still tries to go into the second from the left lane to go left as indicated by the first red arrow. I ll fix it and get it into the third from the left turn lane however the entire time it takes the turn the car is freaking out going “But I m supposed to be *over there!*.” Once the turn is complete it goes back to normal. [The final turn into Target]( https: imgur.com SrQuv96) works just fine. [The next drive is basically the return trip of this]( https: imgur.com AVCpa0V). The route is a little different. It straight up failed [the first right turn]( https: imgur.com XPDem7k). It was supposed to follow the path of the yellow arrow and go straight into the 2nd lane going right however it instead tried to get directly into the nearby turn lane requiring me to disengage and get it where it needed to be. My overall observations on this since 10.2 is that the vehicle has issues moving over more than one lane *unless* the road is a two lane one way road and you re turning left onto the road in which case it ll get into the right most lane when it should be trying for the left most one (You can see an example of that [here]( https: youtu.be DhojqzAeOzw?t=953) on 10.10.2 but this is an unrelated drive to the one I m doing a write up on). This is all also on top of the intersection basically having [zero visibility of oncoming traffic]( https: www.google.com maps @27.9969875 -81.9739248 3a 75y 144.29h 79.63t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssPLqEm-O9JEhQx3ob77ubQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) due to foliage. You have to pull out pretty far to see anything and given that it s looking that way with the pillar cameras it has to pull out further than you d like to really make heads or tails of things. [At the next intersection]( https: imgur.com 4xICiVA) the car made the left turn properly with no issues. At the [very immediate next intersection though]( https: imgur.com lpLQkZ7) the vehicle got quirky. The design of the intersection itself is stupid so I can understand the problems. [Here s the Street View of the intersection]( https: www.google.com maps @27.9972521 -81.9989784 3a 75y 199.2h 79.56t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqmTPayEkjmhq2nVSvsBHBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Basically there s not enough of the little white pole thingies so the vehicle thinks “Oh hey I need to be over there to turn right” then it realized it *could* fit between the posts makes an attempt then goes “Oh wait nevermind”. The lane itself is a “turn only” lane but it treats it like it cannot make a right on red. When I used the accelerator to get it going it then jerked the wheel *hard* to get into the remainder of the “right turn lane” that s close to make the remainder of the right turn. This issue has been there since 10.10.2 though on 10.11.2 it is “less bad”. [The next major intersection was handled fine]( https: imgur.com oxeTT3Y) [The next intersection was handled fine]( https: imgur.com eNo4nNW) however the curb here always terrifies me because it is [so prominent]( https: www.google.com maps @27.9963746 -82.0638503 3a 75y 58.34h 57.14t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPfpwEhCyjSdnPcnwFo5vgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) After this turn though I hit an “edge case”. [This speed limit sign]( https: www.google.com maps @27.9961748 -82.0638554 3a 75y 169.27h 74.89t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgN3816ckdHr1KXDJsDXiDw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) is no longer in this orientation. The bolt on top has come out or broke or something and the speed limit sign is upside down. The result is that the car no longer recognizes it and keeps the speed at 30mph instead of 45mph. I can manually adjust it up but it is interesting to note that it can t read upside down signs at this time. [The next right turn]( https: imgur.com nb1JghC) it took fine however Carson Rd is an [unmarked road]( https: www.google.com maps @27.9892429 -82.0643792 3a 75y 266.93h 65.14t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVn9r1LMKvcOI2gatqegT-g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). This road is painful. It started with 10.10.2 but now it straight up tries to stay in the middle of the road and refuses to go over about 25mph on its own. Normally I just hold the accelerator down to get it up to speed however there appears to be some logic built into the system now that if you hold the accelerator down *too long* the system gives you a “PAY ATTENTION ASSHOLE!” warning. So for now when I m going down Carson I have to disengage and control the vehicle manually till I get to the other side. This started with 10.10.2. Previous versions handled this road acceptably. That said it also means that [the intersection at the end of Carson]( https: imgur.com ZVhRCZc) had to be done manually. My wife was in the vehicle with me for this entire drive. When we got to [this bend in the road]( https: imgur.com x1crFGJ) she was bracing herself for a high G turn. Advised her to relax as I ve done this drive numerous times from 10.2 to now. Vehicle slowed down to about 5mph less than the speed limit and took the turn fine. Wife stated “I don t doubt the car will take it fine it s the people on the other side that worry me”. Can t fault the logic there but the car did its thing perfectly centered and safely. [This left turn here]( https: imgur.com jHSQ6d1) was handled without issues. The [next intersection]( https: imgur.com mis67XF) was not quite such a good left turn. They ve reconfigured this intersection in the last 6 months or so. The left turn shouldn t have been affected by the intersection reconfiguration but there s something about the new navigation data that was sent out that starting with 10.10.2 and again in 10.11.2 the vehicle seems to want to go into the oncoming traffic lanes versus going into the proper travel lanes. I will say that when I disengaged it appeared that it was going to correct itself but *to me* it wasn t making the navigation corrections in time. That completes the write up. Thanks for reading. | Nakatomi2010 | 2022-04-20 13:08:32 | 49 | i5hg6xk | Thanks for the detailed write up. In conclusion is Tesla making progress? | le_district | 2022-04-20 14:22:25 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
v8q1ux | FSD Beta 10.12.2 – Write Up | Today s the first day I was able to do a good drive with FSD Beta 10.12.2. Was a short trip though. The trip was done in a 2017 Model X with AP 2.5 cameras. As a whole there are improvements and also not improvements. [This was the route taken on the first drive]( https: imgur.com XFo67VO). Nothing super adventurous. I intentionally drove past [this spot]( https: imgur.com 0cS5fdf) because since 10.3 or 10.4 an issue developed where the car would slow down from 30mph to 15 when approaching the islands in the middle of the road. That issue has been resolved. When reaching the end of the road [this intersection]( https: imgur.com oABt1ox) the car jerked back and forth a bit before settling on turning right. It s an understandable issue because the road dips a smidge as you drive alone and the lane markers shown which lane goes left and which one goes right is basically seen “at the last moment” by the vehicle. This has been an issue since 10.2 *however* it has been smoothed out in 10.12.2. At [the next intersection]( https: imgur.com jPZLA7j) the intersection has been reconfigured since the satellite footage was taken. They ve added an extra lane to the right for “Straight and right” driving that s indicated by the black divided by a yellow marking and the white arrows. The green markings on the north side of the intersection is a new concrete divider that was put in. These intersection changes have been ongoing and started *after* the most recent map update by Tesla. The intersection itself was reconfigured in December January and the concrete divider was added in the last two weeks. *Historically since December January the vehicle would pull out and make the left turn clipping over the yellow markings on the road looked sloppy. This time it handled smoothly and accounted for the new concrete divider. It also managed to do this while the light was yellow which was also impressive. Further north is another [fun intersection]( https: imgur.com b0nfjyx). When traveling north the left hand most lane is a “left hand turn only” lane with the center lane bring a straight through and the right lane being straight or right. *Once you cross the intersection* the center lane splits into two lanes. Locally there s probably some debate on how to drive here but the right hand lane actually has a lane marking that is meant to keep people to the right. Once though the intersection the car takes a moment to gauge traffic and then chose to continue in the center lane. This intersection has always been interesting to me because the car seems to pick and choose the lane to use on its own. Some times it stays to the left sometimes like this one it picks the center lane. It was admittedly *less* indecisive this time. Further up the road is a [fire station with blinking yellow lights]( https: imgur.com 4QKb6MM). Historically the car always bumps the brakes when approaching them. 10.12.2 did not dump the brakes and just kept driving through them. This was pleasing to my torso. Further up the road is the [on ramp to Interstate 4]( https: imgur.com Xi77QcO). Starting in 10.9 **or** with the most recent map update I think FSD developed an issue where it seemed to stop seeing the right most lane as a “Get onto the instate lane” and at the last moment as it s trying to cross the intersection it tries to make an **extremely** sudden change to the left lane. To date I ve never let it because it s super frigging dangerous and there s no way to recover from it if it does. I just keep hitting the button and hoping it gets fixed at some point. This was also the first disengagement on the drive. Skipping over I-4 and the 570 we arrive at the [offramp from 570]( https: imgur.com feRzlue). The 570 is a toll road. FSD Beta kicks in prior to hitting the roll booth. The left lane is “Exact Change” and the right lane is “Sunpass” or “EZ Pass”. Historically it s chosen to go to the right however in this case it tried to go left. Normally I d let it but there was a car trying to do exact change so I disengaged and went to the right. We then come to [this intersection here]( https: imgur.com OJ3qVGz). This is another intersection that s been reconfigured. As indicated by the white arrows there are now three lanes that turn left and one that goes straight. No reconfiguring of this intersection was done. They literally just added white paint and said “Alright we re done here”. The car s maneuver was *technically* ok but it really just needed to be in the center left turn lane. You can kind of see what they did [here]( https: www.google.com maps @27.9960099 -81.9755239 3a 39.4y 256.32h 78.67t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2kMLDE50pR1THsMuYPsDPg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) *BUT* the result of that change [is this shit show here]( https: www.google.com maps @27.9960099 -81.9755239 3a 39.4y 10.93h 80.05t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2kMLDE50pR1THsMuYPsDPg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). The left most left turn lane is *supposed* to go to the left most of the three straight through lanes however they drew the lines so poorly that the car always tries to get into the right hand left turn lane there. This resulted in the 2nd disengagement of the trip. This intersection has never worked properly from the left most left turn lane. [This intersection here]( https: imgur.com 7jiTpQD) historically wasn t handled poorly with a lot of the car jerking the wheel left and right but ultimately taking it fine. 10.12.2 handled it *perfectly* natural. [The last turn of the drive]( https: imgur.com 2F9gpf4) was not handled well. The vehicle should have followed the red line however it tried to do the yellow line resulting in my disengaging and taking control. **I want to stress that I do not believe the car was going to take the bike lane. That s just the motion of the wheel prior to me taking control**. It seems clear to me that the vehicle kind of realized it was taking the turn too sharp and tried to correct but did so poorly. Historically this turn as never worked properly never turning the wheel so this is *technically* an improvement. So four disengagements one of which I don t really want to count because honestly a toll booth is a weird problem. The return trip follow [this route]( https: imgur.com YKAEdPy). The return trip also involved a light rain shower. I will state that I tried to use Smart Summon in the rain and the Tesla app oscillated between “Go to Target” and “Vision Degraded”. I was amused because the oscillation was basically the same frequency as rain drops. I was tempted to try it but there was a vehicle next to me and a curb on the other side so I chose not to. [This turn leaving the parking lot]( https: imgur.com rynB8WW) was not able to be done as I was not able to engage FSD Beta due to “Poor weather detected”. At the [next intersection]( https: imgur.com fi9zgwU) due to rain I manually drove the car to the left most left turn lane then FSD Beta was able to be engaged again. From this point it then made the left turn perfectly. Further up the road is what I consider to be an [FSD Beta stress test spot]( https: imgur.com 4DxbCJM). The red line is the route humans normally do and what the vehicle tried to do. The yellow line is what happened with the orange bisecting line where I took control of the vehicle. This was what I considered to be “optimal conditions” as the lanes were clear. It should have pulled it off but it just can t make that kind of fast lane change decision making. It gave it its best though. You can [watch that here](https: youtu.be 6riFhoKd3ZU) Continuing on the 570 we eventually get off at [this exit]( https: imgur.com XkZvJ3t). *Historically* the maneuver has always been… Sudden jarring but safe. It tried to explicitly stay within the break in the lane markings so it would shift right *hard* but this time it was *much* more smooth. Once off the 570 you approach [this intersection]( https: imgur.com ugEPaHI) which it handled fine. Historically previous versions used to try to change into the oncoming turn lane. This one did not exhibit that behavior. The [next intersection]( https: imgur.com 6uLyEiS) was a little weird. Historically it s always done the turn properly but this time a box truck was approaching from where the green arrow was. It was at roughly the top of the green arrow marking when the light turned green. It 100% had enough time to make the left however it chose not to until the box truck had passed. Not a huge issue but not what I would have expected. You can [watch that here]( https: www.youtube.com watch?v=BTarzuk3yFE) Further up the road was [this spot]( https: imgur.com uzlz8yL). Historically the car has handled it fine however today instead of following the red arrow it tried to do the yellow arrow. This resulted in the second disengagement of the drive. You can [watch that here]( https: youtu.be KRUlrWeo5BQ). At the [next intersection]( https: imgur.com VCSm4fc) I decided to disengage. The traffic was backed up but the turn lanes were empty. There was *technically* enough room to get over there but from a “line on the road” stand point the car couldn t math it out so I disengaged and did it. The turn was also done manually as there was a bunch of debris in the road. [This turn here]( https: imgur.com Fyg9opK) was also taken fine though I dislike it a bit because I feel it always take it wide. I think the bigger issue is that the railroad tracks are raised a bit and the vehicle has some issues seeing over them it s just a bit wobbly here. And that concludes the write up. I thank you for your time in reading. [Now move along](https: youtu.be DIzAaY2Jm-s?t=218) | Nakatomi2010 | 2022-06-09 20:27:04 | 32 | ibszip6 | As a new recipient this week of FSD beta I am now acutely aware of how beat to shit poorly marked pothole-filled bizarrely laid out and abysmal our local roads and highways are. And they re crawling with idiots in cars who have zero patience and total lack of awareness. Good luck FSD and other AVs - the odds are stacked against you. | LurkerWithAnAccount | 2022-06-10 01:42:47 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
q5qt7f | FSD Beta 10.2 Clip Megathread | We are starting clip megathreads on a per FSD Beta Version basis. This version: **10.2** (2021.32.25) [YouTube Search](https: youtube.com results?sp=mAEA& search_query=FSD+Beta+10.2) [Twitter Web Search](https: twitter.com search?q=%23FSDBeta%2010.2& src=typed_query& f=live) [Software Updates Wiki](https: reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates ) - FSD Beta Megathreads will be added here now as well. Share your clips and discoveries here. Sort by New to see the latest. | 110110 | 2021-10-11 07:43:10 | 165 | hg7gney | The speed that it takes turns and the acceleration coming out of turns is so extreme. It s literally like a roller coaster. | SiLee12 | 2021-10-11 08:24:12 | 109 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
qpsuuf | FSD Beta 10.4 Clip Megathread | 2021.36.8.6 Release Highlights (FSD 10.4) [YouTube Search](https: youtube.com results?sp=mAEA& search_query=FSD+Beta+10.4) [Twitter Web Search](https: twitter.com search?q=%23FSDBeta%2010.4& src=typed_query& f=live) [Software Updates Wiki](https: reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates ) - FSD Beta Megathreads will be added here now as well. Share your clips and discoveries here. Sort by New to see the latest. | 110110 | 2021-11-09 01:46:29 | 47 | hjvw9og | For me 10.4 has been two steps backwards. Very jerky movements phantom brakes and standing still in the middle of intersection are the main problems. | mk1817 | 2021-11-09 02:24:30 | 23 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
qui6z8 | FSD Beta 10.4 trip write up | I recently went on a trip from Florida to Georgia with FSD Beta 10.4 and wanted to share feedback on it. Before starting the trip I triggered a camera calibration so the roads out of town and a little on the interstate weren t FSD driven but manually driven. I also recently had 2021.36.8.5 repushed to my Model X and I forgot to turn FSD Beta back on for a little bit in to the trip. While FSD Beta was off for about 3 4 of the trip up the Model X was still using Tesla Vision for driving. There was a point while driving north on I-75 where I received an error about “Driving Visualization Temporarily Degraded” [MCU_w097]( https: imgur.com qjarfAT). When this occurred I noticed that the FSD visualization was showing ghost cars in its periphery but the lines were still moving. I pulled up the cameras and noticed that my repeater cameras weren t showing anything. [The issue occurred again the next day and I got a picture of the blank repeaters]( https: imgur.com kNwhfMb). A moment or so later the cameras came back online and the system continued to perform. The drive north on I-75 was mostly uneventful. When navigating to the destination I used the Tesla trip planner and used its recommended chargers. As noted in [another post I made]( https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments qsqzdr that_was_new_car_routed_to_a_new_charger_to_avoid ) when I approached the Lake City charger the Navigate on Autopilot disengaged and re-engaged which was relatively close to the time the visualization degradation happened so I wasn t sure if the system was behaving. When I looked closer I realized I was being routed away from the Lake City supercharger to the Live Oak one since the Lake City one had a “Short wait”. There were no noticeable “phantom brakings” while driving at night along this route. The next leg of the trip FSD Beta was enabled properly and I had us driving up to the Valdosta charger. It had us take US-129 north to get back to I-75. There was *some* phantom braking while on US-129 which appeared to be due to some light fog on the road. In most cases the car jerked us from 60mph to 55mph. The behavior was similar to a tired driver overreacting to opening their eyes in poor visibility only to realize that “No no everything is fine relax”. Approaching I-75 the vehicle was supposed to calmly get in to the turn lane and make a [left turn]( https: imgur.com zQn7Ghq) however *in my opinion* it was coming in “too hot” and would ve required more hard braking than I wanted so I took control to bring it to a proper stop. I re-engaged FSD let it math out how to take the turn and it did. It then got on to I-75 just fine. When approaching Valdosta s charger FSD Beta took the [exit properly]( https: imgur.com xZdZjV4) using the route indicated by the red arrow. My main gripe is that it took the exit about 10-20mph slower than I would have but it took the turn and made the slight right and kept going all on its own no disengagements. When approaching where the charger is indicated by the yellow arrow I was uncomfortable with the speed of the approach and disengaged. After leaving the charger we went further down the road before needing to turn north [here]( https: imgur.com Muw4jbW) the car entered the turn lane properly but was again approaching the turn “too hot” for comfort so I took control and hit the brakes to slow the turn down. Re-engaged once I got through the turn. Getting to the north end of the road we had to make a [left turn]( https: imgur.com QJ7jeik). FSD Beta did its best effort to math it out. It tried to proceed into the intersection and turn in front of a truck coming from the right. I hit the brakes and took control as it had put my nose into the first oncoming lane from the left. As I manually took the turn the truck that was coming towards us go into the turn lane and took a right. So while I m fairly confident we would not have been hurt the car had no real way to know the truck was turning plus the truck would ve had the right of way. From there it was just west on US-133 Valdosta Highway. This road was recently converted from a two lane to a four lane highway. For reasons unknown to me the car did *not* want to stay in the right lane anytime I d put it in the right lane it would put itself in the left lane. Also ran into a police road block just outside of Morven GA which I *think* was a [DUI checkpoint](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DjsykA5Fd0M). Not going to lie once I saw that many police blinky lights I turned off FSD Beta and came to a stop under my own power and followed their hand signals. We eventually ended up in Moultrie GA where the car made a [right on to 6th St]( https: imgur.com KJjTloJ). I didn t like this right turn at all. It was successful there was no curbing but it swung left before turning right. I can understand why because it is a sharp and sudden turn to the right but while I don t think it crossed the lane marker between the left and right lanes if I were the person in the left lane seeing a vehicle swing left at like 10pm at night would scare the shit out of me and make me evade. The reason for this turn is also comical because if you continue straight you *have* to make a right turn anyways however taking this turn here allows you to miss a “No turn on red” light further up the road so instead of going through two lights taking a turn here means you only go through one traffic light. The vehicle then took the next [left turn]( https: imgur.com n1ByUeC) properly with no issues. The [car did a lane change in the intersection]( https: imgur.com bNu3Vgp) and tried to follow the path of the red arrow when it needed to follow the path of the yellow arrow. The main issue with the routing through this area is that there s parking on either side of the road so the car kept thinking the lane was wider than it was and unaware of where the turn lanes were and such. It had to go straight but tried to get in to the left turn lane by accident. The [next intersection]( https: imgur.com pesH3tG) was more of the same. Had to stay in the middle but it went for the left. There was another intersection further up the road where the car needed to just go straight but did [this number]( https: imgur.com JY9L1k7) instead. Car follow the path of the red line when it should have followed the yellow line. The distinction here is that I was being followed and there s enough room for a car to pass me which someone might have tried to do. It looks bad from a driving stand point. It also braked hard [here]( https: imgur.com KH68SbG) however this is more of an edge case and an understandable braking. [When you look at it from street view]( https: www.google.com maps @31.1884597 -83.8181905 3a 75y 323.97h 96.31t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snWeF6andqr55SUVar4gyfg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) you can see that the stop sign is angled in such a way that the car can see it and feels a need to obey it. To the car s credit it braked but didn t throw any alarms. I just gave it some gas and it just kept going. This stop sign has been an issue for as long as the car has been able to read stop signs. FSD Beta or not the car *always* tries to stop here lead vehicle or not. [This spot]( https: imgur.com uZYMY6J) is also consist from before and after FSD Beta. When traveling in the direction of the red arrow when you cross the yellow line the car thinks the speed limit is 45mph when it is 55mph. This issue persists however I now have the ability to increase the speed above the old 50mph limit so that s nice. Some “around town” driving notes after we reached our destination and had to drive around a bit the next day [The car ignored this sign]( https: www.google.com maps @31.1982216 -83.880759 3a 75y 86.21h 66.39t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdR0yir80KE_9_dQjohjDDA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) while driving into a town. I was going 60 in a 45 and had to repeatedly manually change the speed down to 50mph. Almost netted me a speeding ticket when we were leaving. Driving in [this direction]( https: www.google.com maps @31.1886432 -83.818767 3a 75y 125.96h 73.89t data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2GRiBhR8aJT0HfsYVN4Zsw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D2GRiBhR8aJT0HfsYVN4Zsw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D253.48116%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) on that road caused *A LOT* of jerky phantom braking. Near as I can tell the cameras were overreacting to the sun shining through the trees. Kind of like “blinking” but not quite. Hard to describe but the braking pattern was in tune to the light shining through the trees. [These turns on this route]( https: imgur.com QLQX5LQ) were all taken properly. The 2nd to last one was a bit slow but there were no interventions. It failed to handle [this roundabout]( https: imgur.com nipcJCB) both times it was traversed. The first time is the red line and the 2nd time is the yellow line. I m fairly positive the reason is failed to navigate it is due to the stupid ass design of the roundabout having options to not take the roundabout thus defeating the purpose of the roundabout. For [this spot]( https: imgur.com RI8HLcv) the red arrow turn needed an intervention and the yellow one did not. Going [back through downtown]( https: imgur.com w5CwuxJ) the car didn t follow the line properly. There was albeit more traffic parked at the side of the roads so the car was able to not be as much of an asshole navigating the area but it still made the same mistakes as the night before albeit not as badly. When leaving Moultrie GA the car was able to navigate [this entire route]( https: imgur.com LaKZ96K) with only one intervention. The intervention was [here]( https: imgur.com XQVlKQv) where the car was supposed to stay right but instead tried to go in to the other lane. It is admittedly [not the best inersections]( https: www.google.com maps @31.1788874 -83.786771 3a 75y 105.37h 74.1t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm5g4XxbDOF6B0fgV7CTrYg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) but this was the only intervention all the way to the Valdosta supercharger. This includes getting on to I-75 and driving south for about 2 miles before getting off of I-75 and taking a right to the place the supercharger is at. That also includes [this spot here]( https: www.google.com maps @31.0184952 -83.5712625 851m data=!3m1!1e3) which I have used as a means of banging the “Navigation data” drum. The road [used to be configured differently]( https: www.google.com maps @31.0213412 -83.5755057 3a 75y 145.76h 86.44t data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spyVDO3QbE958H009pCWt3w!2e0!5s20130701T000000!7i13312!8i6656) and the car used to *always* phantom brake here because it thought it was supposed to be doing a slight right and a stop sign. For the first time in 2.5-3 years the car did not brake here it just kept going. So I m less inclined to think the car is working off the map data as heavily because it handled this spot just fine this time. The rest of the drive was uneventful. There were a few point of phantom braking however they were mostly related to the camera being blinded by the sun then as the sun was blocked by trees the car would phantom brake again akin to someone being blinded having their vision return and suddenly going “Oh shit I didn t realize how close I was” and overreacting. There was a point on I-75 that I want to say [was here]( https: www.google.com maps @30.4216729 -82.8990559 2096m data=!3m1!1e3) where the interstate speed was 70mph I was set to go 80 and the car suddenly thought the speed limit was 45mph. The car lowered my speed limit and I didn t catch it. *How do you not catch a 30mph drop!?!?* Traffic was already going 50mph and I didn t realize I was hindering the flow of traffic until things started speeding up and I didn t. I don t recall which weight station on I-75 I think this one but it might have been one further south I just know it was near a weigh station. Either way if traffic was flowing at 80mph this spot would be a hazard because it d slow the car down to 45-50mph suddenly. Edit: This is being well received so I want to point out that I ve made similar write ups regarding [10.3.1](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments qizw8l fsd_beta_1031_drive_write_up ) and [10.2](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments q9npq7 fsd_beta_102_observations_day_2 )and [also 10.2](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments qc14le fsd_beta_102_another_driving_experience_write_up ). Also did a video of [10.2 driving around Disney World](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Z3LWl70ILOM) which I also [wrote up](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments qec3zf fsd_beta_102_goes_to_disney_world ). | Nakatomi2010 | 2021-11-15 14:54:05 | 101 | hkqr6ep | TLDR - how satisfied were you with 10.4? (1-worst to 10-best) | VonBan | 2021-11-15 17:32:22 | 42 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
r2uvo5 | FSD Beta 10.5 write up | 2017 Model X 100D w AP 2.5 cameras and no cabin camera I was late in getting 10.5 as my vehicle has been in the shop since Monday. I got it back late Wednesday night and have put a few drives on it. The short story is that I see a lot of improvements but also some regression and room for more improvements. Starting with a trip from the Tesla Service Center on N. Florida Ave in Tampa FL to my destination. Leaving the service center I turned south on Florida Ave and got in to the left turn lane to get on to Fowler Ave. I tried turning on FSD Beta but realized it wasn t working so while at the stop light I put the vehicle in park and turned FSD Beta back on. With FSD Beta back on the light stayed red for what seemed like an eternity before turning green at which point the vehicle made [the left turn](https: imgur.com N3m7ov1) on to Fowler Ave with no issues. My vehicle followed the red arrow while the vehicle in the adjacent lane followed the blue arrow. So right off the bad the car handled someone merging into my lane without any issues. No major herky jerk or anything. Once on Fowler the car handled itself admirably not requiring any interventions while it changed from lane to lane until we got to I-75. That being said there was some anomalous behavior from the vehicle. It seems as though it is jittery when there s vehicles passing it on the sides in slow traffic. Specifically there was some uncertainty braking from the vehicle whenever a vehicle in the adjacent lane crossed the camera boundaries going past me. Looking at the visualizations my car saw double each time a car passed me and basically took a moment to go No no that s the same car nevermind which is why I m calling that Uncertainty braking and not phantom braking . This happened a few times on the drive to I-75. As we approached I-75 I wanted to see how well it would take the ramp to get on I-75. This left to an Oops FSD knew better than me moment. About a mile or so back the car had rerouted our trip to avoid taking I-4 home. So when I got [to the on ramp](https: imgur.com SPu1UqG) an I realized the car wasn t taking it I intervened and made it take the on ramp. *Then* I looked at the navigation and saw that the car had replotted the trip and I didn t notice. (I did not notice because I keep the navigation voice on quiet and normally just look at the turn by turn. Last I had checked it still had us getting on I-75 so human error here) Once on I-75 traditional autopilot take over and it has us get off at MLK near Brandon FL. Once off the interstate the car took the [next intersection](https: imgur.com D0LFRgX) with no issues. while traveling east on MLK though the car exhibited some interesting behaviors. There were times where it turned the signal on to change lanes then aborted because another vehicle behind me had already made the same lane change decision and made the lane change the vehicle was attempting no longer possible so the car turned the blinker back off again until the car passed then turned the blinker on after the offending vehicle passed and off we went. As we approached [this section of MLK](https: imgur.com wjeHWpu) the car needed to go straight and follow the red arrow however it kept trying to change into the right lane indicated by the yellow arrow because it was going faster . The issue here though is because going into that lane commits you to a right turn. So I had to intervene long enough for it to see why that was a bad decision. A little further down MLK we ran into [this intersection](https: imgur.com dANBrcw) which the car needed to follow the path of the red arrow however it tried to follow the yellow arrow. Traveling at 50mph it was a bit of a harsh course recorrect because the bike lane between the two lanes added about 3-4 extra ft that I had to scoot over but I got through the intersection fine after intervening. From that point on it was just a matter of staying in the lane as cars got on and off the road ahead of us with the car braking and accelerating as they cleared the road. No significant issues. [The next intersection](https: imgur.com N9D0LWv) the car took admirable. No interventions and no curbing. The *very* [next intersection](https: imgur.com AaRsc2R) though was a doozy. I haven t mentioned it but this entire drive was at night so the car was supposed to follow the path of the yellow arrow but did the red arrow instead. This turn was made while a car was coming at us from in front and a car was approaching the intersection on the left. So we almost got T-boned and then almost front ended. Ultimately there was enough time for us to get through the intersection and have the vehicle correct itself but I did *not* appreciate what it did there and so I sent them the snapshot. This is *the worst* screw up I ve seen FSD Beta do in experiences with it. The vehicle handled itself properly until the [next intersection](https: imgur.com viKFAaz) and then I accidentally intervened because I was keeping a more firm than usual grip on the steering wheel while it navigated the curve as I didn t want it to curb itself. It would ve made it through just fine it just had a really narrow margin of error. From then on the system handled itself fine until we got home. The left turn going onto the road near my community it handled better than the previous version. Previously on 10.2 through 10.4 the system always felt like it was just throwing itself across the intersection and was going to hit the curb on the other side of the turn but this time it took the turn more gracefully and and completed it with no issues. The gate to my community is broken open so I can t speak to how it handled it. The next drive was a daytime drive to the in laws. I ve written about how few issues I have on the pathing here however there is [this merging area](https: imgur.com QNxUct5) which the car handled fine. There was a bunch of cars in each lane merging and it let the car next to me in ahead of me without it feeling like a race or having uneven braking. The [next intersection with a turn](https: imgur.com cUIf0ce) was handled about 80% ok. I ve previously written about this intersection and how the car tried to jerk to the left to get back into the lane it came from however this time it handled the intersection fine with one exception. It tends to treat yield signs as stop signs so the car was coming to a stop as the light was changing from red to green for traffic going west so I had to give it gas to get ahead of a vehicle approaching from the east. At the time I though it was uncertainty braking however in talking it over with my wife over the next mile or so of the drive I realized that it was actually the car doing a Do I need to yield? stop and check. I m not fond of yield signs being treated as stop signs. At [the next intersection](https: imgur.com l8bac7R) with a turn was an intersection I ve been meaning to try for a while. It s kind of a cluster shit show of an intersection because the intersection needs to be made bigger and hasn t been. As shown in the image the backup for cars trying to turn left here is pretty extensive and often goes into the median. The median is also where people going north will turn left to enter the businesses located there. On this particular day the car successfully navigated around someone that entered the median to turn into the business but didn t have to contend with people being in the media to make a left turn. *That being said* I tried to be deliberate in drawing my left turn arrow to reflect that the turn was *not* a good left turn. It clipped its way into the right turn lane of the road as a car was approaching it. It was pretty clear the other driver was not impressed but no one was in any real danger so I just gave it gas to complete the maneuver faster. At [the next intersection with a turn](https: imgur.com Lmo5ZoC) we had some issues. The car was staying in the right lane and never attempted to make the lane change into the left lane to make a left turn until I initiated it with .2 or .3 miles left to the turn. I got it unreasonably close for 5 people in the vehicle at the time. Once it was in the left lane it got into the proper left most turn lane. *However* once it took the turn the car kept wanting to change into the [right lane](https: imgur.com v62dylh) of the road we were on. The result is that I ultimately had to leave FSD Beta off until I got past this spot. In terms of why it was doing that? Up until about a year or so ago this *was* a one lane road so if I had to guess I d say bad navigation data made it unaware that this was now a two lane road with a dedicated turn lane. Once done at the In Laws we headed up following the reverse of the same roads. We ran into an issue where the vehicle was *not* going to stop for the gate in their community while leaving so I had to hit the brakes hard within 6 people being transported (We brought an extra person home) they were displeased. Once out of the community the car was *super slow* to make a left turn with with cross traffic so I had to give it gas to get going. Approaching [the next intersection](https: imgur.com XrvSvYu) the car had to make a right turn into a merge when ready lane that ends which the vehicle had some issues with. I ultimately had to give it some gas and it got its shit together and we made it without a disengagement. The next spot that we ran into trouble at was [at this spot here](https: imgur.com s5LdoKh) where the two lanes had to merge together the vehicle seemed like it was waiting for the other car to merge in but it handled it poorly I had to intervene to get it to relax and get in behind the other vehicle. Historically when using traditional autopilot on [this road segment](https: imgur.com xvry4GT) the car would *always* try to veer into the turn lane before correcting out of it as indicated by the yellow arrow. I am happy to report that that issue is gone and fixed. It now follows the red arrow like a normal vehicle. Meanwhile back at [this T-intersection](https: imgur.com qWFYK0A) the vehicle turned right with no curbing or falling off the road at a fairly high rate of speed it was well done. Going back through [this intersection](https: imgur.com OWxVSwE) resulted in the car being overly cautious about it and me having to give it some gas to get going again. But it did ultimately handle it without being disengaged. Further north however [this issue still exists](https: imgur.com Y3UzaNG). This issue has been prevalent since I joined the FSD Beta on 10.2 and on 10.5 it is still there. The car tries to turn right too soon following the yellow arrow instead of the red arrow. The next drive resulted in us going to Lakeland FL. The first intersection I m going to point out is more of a topic for discussion. [The intersection in question](https: imgur.com XKcdbyY) is at a set of railroad tracks. The lights are on the far side of the tracks and the car stopped at the yellow line despite there being room to stop on the other side of the tracks where the blue line is. *Normally* we just pull ahead to the blue line but I want FSD to behave at a railroad crossing so I let it do its thing. My wife was not pleased though as she feels it should pull across to the other stop line on the other side. The [next intersection](https: imgur.com 8WKcFnX) that we had an issue at was weird because the car has taking this intersection before with 0 issues on 10.2 10.3 10.3.1 and 10.4. On 10.5 however the car kept wanting to get into the left lane as indicated by the yellow arrow instead of just going straight as indicated by the red arrow. Not sure what the story there was definitely regression and I ultimately had to manually get onto the interstate. Was weird. Once off the highways we arrived at [this intersection](https: imgur.com 4FFh6ar) where the vehicle was unable to get through it it choked at the yellow line and I had to manually drive it through the intersection. The [last turn on the drive was taken here](https: imgur.com aNTm9eV) which it did with no issues. Once done at the destination we went elsewhere. While leaving we had to do the [maneuver indicated by the red arrow](https: imgur.com sQm0TsX) where the yellow lines denote spots where it had issues. Thankfully there was no south bound traffic so I just let the vehicle works it s way into the turn lane however while going through the turn I did have to give it gas to encourage it across. At one of the [following intersections](https: imgur.com Pg1q4Vy) my had was holding the wheel too tight and FSD Beta disengaged halfway into the turn so I completed it on my own. Going south on [Cleveland Heights Blvd](https: www.google.com maps @27.9743444 -81.948566 3a 75y 185.88h 90t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8hfAJcribG3QILAekQUwbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) was an interesting experience. Mainly because the car was hugging the middle of the road to the point where it was hitting the reflectors that make up the right side of the double solid yellow line. Every time a car was approaching me the vehicle would scoot a bit to the right to give oncoming traffic space then go back to hugging the middle of the road. While uncomfortable I could see what it was doing and understood it but I certainly didn t like it and it was that way for the entirely of our time on that road until we reached out destination later on. Leaving our destination we made [this left turn](https: imgur.com kss9OhM) with no issues. Eventually we came across [this intersection](https: imgur.com aYjyCWW) where the car tried to cross into the left turn lane of the oncoming road. This required a manual intervention to correct the lane. This has been the same behavior since 10.2. [This intersection](https: imgur.com hroqLVo) was handled well as well the car came to a stop and then off it went. [This intersection however](https: imgur.com MZpr53d) was not handled as well. Traffic on either side of the double yellow line doesn t need to stop unless turning however the car attempted to come to a full and complete stop at this intersection I ultimately had to give it gas to go again. After a few good four way stops I eventually came to [this intersection here](https: imgur.com Baxv0O5) which in the past the car has handled fine however on 10.5 the car seemed to exhibit some kind of Oh shit I m supposed to turn here behavior which caught my off guard. I m not going to lie I knew the turn was coming but my wife and I were in a conversation so I was a little distracted. The closest description I can give is that the car was also actively listening to us then realized it was supposed to turn so it made the right turn *super* wide crossing in to oncoming traffic before getting its shit together. The vehicle made up for it a little late at [this intersection](https: imgur.com k6pzNyR) where it made the most text book beautiful left turn out there. No crossing into the oncoming lane not too fast not too slow no choking it was just *perfect*. Outside of the intersections and such we also ran into a lot of uncertainty braking when going through areas with a lot of tree cover and sunlight dancing through the leaves. Also ran into an issue with the car trying to push itself away from people s garbage and recycling bins and some spots where it had a mini heart attack when it was trying to avoid the bins and oncoming traffic. I get *why* it was doing it I just didn t agree with it. Seemed really scared of the bins and such. So as I said some improvements some regression and some room for improvements. I thank you all again for reading. | Nakatomi2010 | 2021-11-26 19:30:13 | 24 | hm73jmk | TLDR | Your-Doing-It-Wrong | 2021-11-26 21:04:42 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
r9n8le | FSD Beta 10.6 Clip Megathread | 2021.36.8.9 Release Highlights (FSD 10.6) [YouTube Search](https: youtube.com results?sp=mAEA& search_query=FSD+Beta+10.6) [Twitter Web Search](https: twitter.com search?q=%23FSDBeta%2010.6& src=typed_query& f=live) [Software Updates Wiki](https: reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates ) - FSD Beta Megathreads will be added here now as well. **Share clips you ve found around the web for 10.6 and share them here. Sort by New to see the latest.** | 110110 | 2021-12-05 19:28:11 | 64 | hnczhsk | https: www.youtube.com watch?v=xAoItKwTLcQ • 00:00 Leaving the neighborhood • 00:36 Unprotected right turn onto James Jackson • 00:53 Planner still late going into left turn lane • 01:21 Impressed with FSD since 10.5 • 02:01 Undesired hard braking during tight left turn • 02:35 Disengaging for pothole to provide data • 02:53 Reason for sharing drives • 03:22 Undesired hard braking • 04:00 Massive improvement at X Intersection • 04:52 Disengagement #1 FSD still can t make this right turn into CVS. Map data issue? • 05:27 Trouble with stop signs leaving Publix • 06:20 FSD having trouble with tight spaces • 06:43 Majority of latest improvements have been with object detection and persistence • 08:17 Disengagement #1 FSD Planner fails to go straight the other direction through the long X intersection • 08:29 Discussing planner software problems • 09:56 Unnecessary right turn signal • 10:23 More undesired hard braking • 10:44 Excellent behavior for poorly marked intersection • 11:03 Still not getting in left turn lane early enough • 11:24 Disengagement #2 Still making illegal maneuver • 12:00 Poor steering and timid behavior at this stop sign • 12:16 Synopsis The object detection is getting so damn good but the planner still needs a lot of work. | samreaves | 2021-12-05 19:30:16 | 25 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
rv6mir | FSD Beta 10.8 write up - Canadian Edition | 2017 Model X w AP 2.5 cameras TL DR - It works but it s clunky. Shit in snow I recently went on a trip to Canada in my Model X. At the beginning of the trip I drove up on 10.6.1 however while I was up there FSD Beta 10.8 got pushed to my X via the LTE connection so I installed it. A brief summary of the trip up using FSD Beta to do a 1 300 mile (Tampa FL to Gatineau QC - One way) road trip is I was faster . The main issue I d run into with FSD Beta 10.6.1 and then 10.8 is that it brakes too much on on ramps that it makes it take longer for you to get to the end of the ramp meaning that once I got on to the offramp it was faster for me to just take control of the vehicle and drive it to the destination (Charger or bathroom). You d think FSD Beta would help in making sure you follow a good path to the charger s location but you d be wrong. In practice FSD Beta just got in the way as to was often too timid. Admittedly I was set to Average but that s largely because I was going through areas that were unknown to me so I didn t want the vehicle being assertive in areas where it turned out it shouldn t have been. Anyways after two nights of driving I crossed the Canadian border in to Ontario and hauled ass for Ottawa. IF you saw a Model X driving around the Ottawa area with Florida plates that was me. I arrived at the Napean supercharger at around 1:53am on December 28th (FSD Beta 10.6.1 at this point). [This was the path the car routed for](https: imgur.com Ytq1H88). The morning of February 28th it was snowing FSD Beta was more or less useless. The wind was enough that the snow was drifting across the pavement making it hard for FSD Beta to get an eye on things. If a turn was involved FSD Beta failed. If no turn was involved it was fine but I had to have a firm grip on the wheel as there was a lot of uncertainty wobbling due to a lack of lane markings in the snow. *Why didn t you go straight on Moodie Dr?* Tesla s navigation said turn left. I came across [this sign](https: imgur.com 4O8dv7g) while trying to determine if I could go straight my 2am tired brain couldn t handle it and opted to just turn left and follow the in car navigation. Ultimately though FSD Beta wasn t reliable enough to attempt the turns and barely reliable in a light dusting of snow. That being said my cameras were also picking up salt and grime from the roads so I was constantly running into issues with being able to turn the system on by FSD NoA functions were degraded due to visibility issues. Once done charging I following [this path](https: imgur.com 2WxdPxl) to get to my destination. Destination has been cut off. Again because of the weather conditions FSD Beta was somewhat unreliable. Once I got onto the 417 regular AP kicked in and the roads had been ploughed salted and I was able to rely on the system to get me to my exit. Note that I did this trip with all season tires so one of the other issues I was running into was the Tesla not obeying winter driving rules which is Keep a bigger following distance and Don t slam the brakes . Going across the bridge from Ottawa to Gatineau I had to disable regular AP because the snow drifting across the bridge was just confusing the thing and I was wobbling. Being that it was now 2:30am I didn t want to end up in the river from the car being stupid so I basically did the remainder of the highway driving by hand. As I got closer to my destination I came across [this intersection](https: imgur.com oA3RH7a) which is a stop sign. I had opted to use FSD Beta again because it was early and there was no traffic on the roads. I wanted to see what would happen. My direction of travel is indicated by the red arrow. The car appears to not even try to stop for the stop sign or it was not going to stop in time at all. I had to slam on the brakes which caused me to slide about 5-10ft into the intersection due to the fresh snow on the ground. Suffice to say at that point I swore I wouldn t rely on FSD Beta to stop at stop signs reliably and was more judicious in disabling it when I felt it necessary. While driving through the mountains of Virginia or Pennsylvania honestly can t remember I picked up a [rock](https: imgur.com JhN85BW) in my [windshield](https: imgur.com 5qn1u8j) as such I had to go visit the Ottawa service center to patch the glass (For those unaware I ve had to take my Model X to the service center once a month since getting it in November of 2021 for a variety of reasons. So this trip to the service center means that I had to take it in this month as well keeping that streak going). The route taken was [this one here](https: imgur.com g5wHQ9H). Had my Dad with me so FSD Beta was used liberally but carefully as I was trying to demonstrate how it handled things. The roads had been freshly salted and ploughed for the trip however while I did have the Speed limit warning chime turned off my Dad was still advising me every time I was over the limit so I was fighting the preset I had that made the car go 5mph over the limit which is 8km h. *Change the preset* I did once the vehicle was stopped. Anyways the main issues I kept running into were the vehicle not giving enough follow distance and not minding the winter conditions. The cameras would get covered in grime and it seemed to have a hard time telling the curb apart from the snow that had been ploughed into the curb. The vehicle nearly curbed itself numerous times because it wasn t always able to make the determination properly. [If we look at this image here](http: www.effectspecialist.com LuckyWeb Lucky61.jpg) we can see that the snow kind of ramps up to the curb. *It felt* like the Model X was interpreting the ramp as the curb and as such that it had the ability to take turn tighter because it could ramp up or something. Like a curb on the [left side of this image](https: www.bridjit.com wp-content uploads 2020 10 rolled-curbs.png) So I d be constantly moving the vehicle away from it. In fact at the end of my trip up there my parents gave me a review of the vehicle as it had been the first time they d seen it or been in it and ultimately my dad s comment was Too much waving back and forth which was largely me fighting FSD Beta from being an idiot. The next leg of the trip was [this one here](https: imgur.com sRY2Ab7) which regular AP worked fine on but FSD Beta just couldn t handle the snow. The cameras were covered in grime. Once I got to the charger I took out a [lens disposable lens cleaning wipe](https: www.amazon.com Zeiss-Pre-Moistened-Cleaning-Wipes-count dp B01E9NC2Z4) that I keep a supply of in the car and wipes down my cameras for the next portion of the trip. Also bought windshield washing fluid that wouldn t freeze in the rain. (That s a whole other terrifying worrisome story that you can probably figure out on your own) I began the [next leg of the trip](https: imgur.com FLleOJn) which was FSD Beta heavy however was not the route the navigation system wanted to take as such FSD Beta wasn t used. The route indicated is This is how the locals get around route. I d turn on FSD Beta for a bit but then my Dad would navigate me to another road that wasn t on the navigation so I d have to disengage and re-engage repeatedly. The cameras ended up with grime on them again lane changes would start to fail and the slop on the roads made braking unreliable. My dad fussed at me a lot for unsafe following and Late braking . Once all that was done driving for the day was complete. That night I got FSD Beta 10.8 so from this point on FSD Beta is 10.8 Each day of the trip the weather got warmer snow melted there was less slop on the roads and FSD became more reliable not because of the update but because the roads were better. [This intersection](https: imgur.com 27XUrTH) is one we frequented. The initial left turn would always fail however it would always stop for the stop sign and then take the right though often timid. When weather and visibility was good the system behaved. One of the other routes we took was [this one here](https: imgur.com ws0KxmQ) again ignoring the route that the navigation had pulled up and instead being routed by my parents FSD Beta wasn t used as much as I would have liked because it was constantly trying to reroute. The reason we were going with my parents routing instead of the vehicle routing is because the vehicle typically wants you to go through downtown Ottawa to get anywhere which sucks balls. The parkways are generally better from a traffic standpoint. Plus they wanted to look at a couple things. [This turn here](https: imgur.com xt8YyNA) was taken pretty consistently well when I had it do it. I did however run into issues on the parkways because the speed limit signs were [not the standard black on white](https: www.google.com maps @45.4464002 -75.6889727 3a 75y 31.72h 83.89t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb6HXXl2eRb_Tta3-0Y6EZA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) signs but rather white on black signs. The car was hit or miss on weather or not it picked up the speed limits properly off these signs. These signs have been like this for years though so it s something they need to work through. The [slight right and right turn here](https: imgur.com vEyLUqp) were both ok. The right turn often required me to hit the gas to make it go. Pretty sure it s due to a [slight visibility issue](https: www.google.com maps @45.4552787 -75.6457907 3a 75y 80.58h 85.15t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suEQ7YQzdRGnnzlY0gJXmaA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) there where it can t see things very well until it scoots far enough forward but it isn t fast at doing that visibility creep. For this trip that was basically the last time FSD Beta got used from then on it was making too many navigational mistakes and with my mother in the vehicle that wasn t cutting it so it was easier to drive manually. I have a personal grip about how it behaved on the [Vanier Parkway](https: imgur.com QP08gUW) during our return trip though. It made a lane change into the left lane despite the final objective being necessary to be in the right lane. The [left lanes at St. Patrick and Vanier](https: www.google.com maps @45.4382434 -75.6774048 3a 75y 294.76h 86.12t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srbt5eL8aw-NLSXBpyarBqg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) are both left turn lanes while the right lane is the only straight through lane. As I ve said numerous times before the system needs to be better at planning ahead. It lacks local region knowledge in that a local knows This road gets congested up ahead better to stay in this lane for an extra minute or so than risk not being able to get back into it which is the issue that would ve occurred here. [This route](https: imgur.com 1f7Ffzf) was also taken however it also suffered the my parents telling me that the car s pathing was stupid so I had to manually reroute it. When FSD Beta was on it mostly behaved. One issue encountered though was that while traveling in the right lane [on this road](https: www.google.com maps @45.4636671 -75.6999219 3a 75y 22.36h 89.54t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swv8ibvQa_1pPtDQi6lFHNQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) the car changed intro the left lane. Admittedly these multiple purpose time of day lanes are going to be tricky in the long run this was an unnecessary lane change that made things harder up the road as we had to do a right turn. It also was not going to brake in time for [this turn](https: imgur.com Le9ANaO) requiring an intervention. The next leg of the trip was [this one here](https: imgur.com OijUxxu) which fell to the same issues. Camera grime sloppy roads. [This curve](https: imgur.com mnvy60Q) was handled fine which pleased me. If memory serves [this one](https: imgur.com fa4NdMc) I had to intervene on though I can t fully recall why. I think safety concerns about it misjudging oncoming traffic. Most left turns I took manual control over so as to not stress my parents out. [This roundabout](https: imgur.com OlPF9dI) and honestly most I came across were not handled well. Too slow too jittery not enough certainty. [This route](https: imgur.com NjHIgo1) was also taken again a lot of parental The car s pathing is stupid do this involved however when FSD Beta was enable it again ran in to visibility issues due to dirt and grime on the cameras. I had gotten to a point where I d clean them every time I stopped however they d get shit on like 5 minutes down the road. In most cases the right turns were fine however I d have to hit the gas to get it to go and left turns were too risky because it wasn t slowing down properly for the weather conditions. [This was the route taken to get home](https: imgur.com UfyLqJi) again a lot of manual interventions because the car s navigation was not optimal for lower risk of traffic . To clarify the arrows in [this diagram](https: imgur.com kUoyDFF) were what Tesla was always recommending. Admittedly yes the road design is stupid. You have a major highway Quebec Route 5 ending right in the middle of downtown Ottawa then surface roading your way around. Is the path shorter? Yes but it s a stupid path that has a lot of lights traffic and stress. The parkway at least for my family and I tends to be preferred despite it taking a little longer. *But with the release of full self driving you won t be driving* True but that doesn t mean I want the car to always bring me in to stressful traffic scenarios if there s a less stressful one. Having the ability to pick from a selectin of routes would be *super* nice so I could pick a less efficient one if it meant less stress. [This left turn](https: imgur.com xfDcDh3) was typically taken fine but I d almost always have to intervene to get it into the right lane before the turn off to Rt 5. Ultimately though the TL:DR up top is the most accurate. When it worked it worked great but the winter conditions such as fresh snow dirty cameras and sloshy slop on the roads made it unreliable in a lot of cases. [This right turn](https: imgur.com RnKNYQK) for example was a simple one but as discussed above about the car having issues with discerning between snow and curbs meant that it got *real* close to curbing [when taking the turn](https: www.google.com maps @45.4189293 -75.6777352 3a 75y 218.73h 67.29t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sP_m8xza5HZ-QuunMBKjekA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) (Also now realizing that Google Street Maps in Ottawa was apparently a couple of dudes on motorcycles lol). It s designed too well for perfect conditions which I get it *it s a beta* but it also shows how much the product still has to grow as using it reliably for winter driving is just a nope. It needs to brake sooner but since it can t see a stop sign until like 800ft or so away 800ft is often not enough room to brake in time to stop at the stop sign. The other issues I ran into which are less FSD Beta issues as much as Vision issues in general were that rain completely nerfs the system. Albeit hard rain on 10.6.1 is less bad than hard rain on 10.8 but there comes a point where the system starts to slow down too much in the rain and you yourself become the hazard because it just keeps slowing down and going too slow. 45mph in a 65mph when people are going 75 or higher is not safe. A lot of the issues also stemmed from the back wash from vehicles after a fresh rain. I could be trying to pass a semi truck and the backwash from the truck blinds the cameras and it goes Oh slow down to 45mph which becomes unsafe and you have to push through it then it takes a bit to recover. There also seems to be two turn signal modes at least on the pre-refresh Model S X. If you half push the turn signal stalk it will assess the area and perform the lane change ASAP however if visibility is poor it will outright fail. If you push the turn signal stalk all the way down and leave it down the car appears to take longer to assess the adjacent lane and then change lanes I don t have an issue with this I just wanted to point it out. It does mean that you might have your signal on for like 5-10 seconds while the car waits for visibility but once it gets it it will change lanes. | Nakatomi2010 | 2022-01-03 17:12:41 | 34 | hr4leys | Obviously FSD is not ready for snow yet and given it is winter in Canada thats not going to be a good mix. However did you encounter any situations where Canadian road rules or signage created an issue? FSD Beta opt in hasn t been released in Canada. I m hoping it is soon but I assume they are working on localizing it to the different signage and or just limiting their scope of concern right now. Do you think once road conditions improve it would work fine here? | ClockworkN7 | 2022-01-03 21:41:52 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
s0lp1m | FSD Beta 10.8.1 Write up | 2019 Model 3 w AP 2.5 cameras. My Model X hasn t gotten 10.8.1 yet which I think is going to be the norm because Tesla is programming for horizontal screens before vertical ones. Two routes were driven on Jan 9th 2022. The first one was [this one here](https: imgur.com 4RE9DwV) [This turn here](https: imgur.com wAL2EMk) which my Model X previously lined me up for a curbing was handled properly with no issues on the Model 3. [This intersection here](https: imgur.com d9OCKmm) the car handles more confidently now. This is an intersection which goes from two lanes south of the train tracks to 3 lanes north of the tracks. The Model X used to have a lot of debate over which of the two left lanes it should get into while Model 3 confidently went straight into the left most lane. It then had to make two lane changes into the right most lane. [There s new blinky yellow lights](https: imgur.com qGaWmGB) which the car still pumps the brakes for. Blinky yellows are the bane of my existence at the moment as the cars are constantly pumping brakes for them. Manual intervention was required at [this on ramp](https: imgur.com sNtnHKm) where manual intervention was not required before. As it crosses the intersection the vehicle becomes *super* uncertain about whether or not it should be in the lane its in to try and get on the interstate. This has worked and not worked repeatedly over the versions. Getting off of Interstate 4 was weird. I got off the interstate at [this offramp here](https: imgur.com ElID9Br) where [this white car](https: youtu.be 7i8n1Ouy3sA) either wasn t paying attention or got impatient and did a fake sideswipe attempt? Honestly not sure it was weird. Occurred at the yellow line. Further up the on ramp we see a black line. This is when I accidentally disengaged FSD and didn t realize it. Or somewhere after that point. The car was taking to me a *long* time to take the turn and was likely going to miss the green light to proceed so I hit the accelerator to get it to go and I guess I had too much torque on the wheel and it just slightly disengaged? Honestly not 100% certain on the sequence of events. [I was then distracted by the dude at the side of the road pulling golf clubs out the back of his vehicle](https: youtu.be hTh3_-eSZCU). Wife fussed at me and I realized FSD was disengaged and engaged it again. A note regarding the above. This was my first time driving FSD Beta in the Model 3. Prior to this it s always been in my Model X. The Model X has a big ass blue wheel in the lower right corner of the instrumentation panel so it s super easy to tell when FSD AP is disengaged. v11 on the Model 3 has reduced it to a footnote like icon where if you don t hear the single tone chime it s not quite as obvious that AP FSD is disengaged. [The next intersection](https: imgur.com vYTyWtm) was handled very well as well. [The vehicle got into the turn lane waited its turn then went](https: youtu.be Q9GG9kmnHLo). The vehicle then got into the left lane which while initially annoyed because it always favors the left lane ended up being the right choice because the right lane turned into a turn only lane so another example of FSD helping out someone drive around an area they were unfamiliar with. Once destination was reached we turned around and drove back the way with came more or less. Note that from this point I am now doing FSD while eating fries from Five Guys. We went back through [this intersection](https: imgur.com LrZWqBS) and the vehicle handled it fine and south we went. [This S-curve of sorts](https: imgur.com 603LB0A) was handled very well and properly while eating my fries. [At this intersection](https: imgur.com YFVqMBY) I honestly don t remember if I was in the left or right turn lane. I want to say the left one. The car took the turn just fine either way no disengagement. Was almost done with my fries. [This intersection is one I ve been meaning to drive through for a while](https: www.google.com maps @28.0385424 -81.9409705 3a 75y 118.18h 84.77t data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8AAy2yUScLrtqplrDr-VWg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D8AAy2yUScLrtqplrDr-VWg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D61.139606%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) because the way the lights are strung up across the intersection the red lights for cross traffic is visible. The car handled it fine with no issues just kept going straight through. [This right turn](https: imgur.com uA3mBum) which should be a slam dunk was not handled well at all. As we approached the turn the car failed to get into the right lane in time requiring me to make two manual lane changes to the right. Once in the right lane the car never entered the right turn lane I had to manually get it into the turn lane where the yellow mark is. Once in the turn lane the vehicle tried to take the turn at like 30-40mph might not have been that high but the point is that it didn t brake hard enough for the turn. This has been an issue for as long as I can remember at this turn when having done it a couple times with the X. I finished eating my fries prior to getting to this turn. [The very next turn here](https: imgur.com mMFzKE0) by comparison was handled excruciatingly slowly like the logic in the car was like Sorry my bad I took that last one too fast. Let me take this one slower like some passive aggressive driver overreacting to your earlier complaint of Holy shit that was a little fast man . At [this intersection here](https: imgur.com d8AtI7p) the car was supposed to follow the red arrow but it instead tried to do the yellow arrow required manual intervention. [Thus turn here](https: imgur.com NanyGBv) was handled properly. My wife wanted me to handle it manually because the turn it a pretty blind one but the car did it at a reasonable speed. I was pleased my wife was tense. [This right turn](https: imgur.com emDxqVn) was also handled quite comfortably better than the red arrow I drew. [This left turn here](https: imgur.com Qwf14Ki) was handled quite comfortable. I was a little concerned at first but in the end it made the arc successfully and without a close call for almost hitting the curb. [This intersection here](https: imgur.com PitBgWX) I normally have issues with however it was handled properly this time. I suspect the main reason for that is because I had a [lead car](https: youtu.be 44awgvOQvps). [The very next intersection](https: imgur.com SJZgYgJ) proved to be a little trick for [FSD as it crawled its way through the intersection](https: youtu.be BsEpyx4cslM). I ultimately had to hold the accelerator pedal down to get it to finally go because it was just crawling forward so slowly. If I had to guess the issue here is the road s geometry. The oncoming traffic probably hits where the seam is between the two cameras so it isn t comfortable with the maneuver. Similar thing at [this intersection](https: imgur.com Rih0C7H) should be a pretty straight forward non-stop straight through [but the vehicle tries to come to a stop rather than keep going](https: youtu.be 1raRDaJM9IQ) I ultimately have to press down on the accelerator to get it to keep going. [This left turn](https: imgur.com yjYb692) was a pretty [textbook left turn](https: youtu.be 2TusU3AcV84) with no issues. [The next intersection](https: imgur.com QNXvKWQ) should also be an easy right turn but the system fails at it. [I would have let it fail however I had a car behind me so when I noticed it wasn t slowing in time I took direct control](https: youtu.be zDaxRYzLZz0). This turned used to be handled fine however starting around 10.6 it began failing to take this turn in the X. I ve got two right turns that should be slam dunks but instead it just chokes. [The next left turn](https: imgur.com ik3DYWg) was another [beautiful left turn](https: youtu.be 0tRLJ3DbWiA). [This turn](https: imgur.com uCGAn9a) was a little concerning. It took the turn at a pretty high rate of speed. The main reason I find it concerning is because as the car passed over the train tracks the car slid about a foot or so to the left causing me to slightly enter the oncoming traffic lane. Not by a lot but in the rain I could see the car sliding further if not just spinning out altogether. The next drive was this one here: https: imgur.com UIadWZw Largely uneventful. [This merge point](https: imgur.com 2l9Gysw) was handled well [This intersection here](https: imgur.com cRL8HlZ) was handled with no interventions which is a first for FSD for me. [This left turn](https: imgur.com shJdxsR) was a problem again. I had to hold down the accelerator through the turn to finally get it to go. [This curve in the road](https: imgur.com 6vDsy8W) was handled well. The road was recently resurfaced so the lane markers aren t there just little yellow dots to denote lanes and the car handled the turn comfortably. [This left turn](https: imgur.com 5kpgTwB) could ve been handled better. The car tends to stop at the stop sign which is where the yellow line is then it takes *forever* to creep forward into a position to see cross traffic. I ended up having to hold down the accelerator to get it to go as there was traffic behind us. [This is like the biggest frigging mansion I ve ever seen](https: www.google.com maps @27.8213529 -82.2100779 3a 75y 146.15h 88.12t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK4g4kMbwFfDcl5JyuN483Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) [This curve](https: imgur.com q9vRYuC) was *not* handled well. Car should ve done the red arrow but did the yellow arrow instead crossing me into oncoming traffic. [This roundabout](https: imgur.com YeIrXXz) was poorly handled. The car stops where the yellow line is. There was no traffic in the roundabout but it keeps treating the yield signs as stop signs which in Florida will get me rear ended. Going back followed the same roads and going in the opposite direction I encountered no issues with the car driving itself with the exception of [this spot here](https: imgur.com gXoGjgv) where the vehicle tried to take the wrong turn to go right. This issue in particular is starting to annoy me because it s been there since 10.2. So it s been there for like 4 months now. As a whole I m becoming way more comfortable with the system it requires far less babysitting than before but that some areas which presented me no issues before are now presenting issues is a bit concerning and a reminder to always be paying attention to how the system behaves and that each version should be tested anew until you ve put it through its paces. | Nakatomi2010 | 2022-01-10 14:48:22 | 42 | hs2v0ih | Tesla really just needs to make the current speed blue as well as the wheel to indicate it is driving. Disengagement warnings need to be at the top of the screen and not the bottom (TM3) | Hug_the_Curve | 2022-01-10 16:21:48 | 24 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
s80gmj | FSD Beta 10.9 Clip Megathread | 2021.44.30.10 Release Highlights (FSD 10.9) [YouTube Search](https: youtube.com results?sp=mAEA& search_query=FSD+Beta+10.9) [Twitter Web Search](https: twitter.com search?q=%23FSDBeta%2010.9& src=typed_query& f=live) [Software Updates Wiki](https: reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates ) - FSD Beta Megathreads will be added here now as well. **Share clips you ve found around the web for 10.9 and share them here. Sort by New to see the latest.** | 110110 | 2022-01-19 21:02:44 | 91 | htdl4jl | I m noticing good improvements less braking less interventions better turns. As a note driving to work this morning 10.9 didn t see a pulled over pickup-truck with a low trailer attached didn t slow down didn t plot to go around had to intervene. Edge cases are still out there be aware be safe. We re making good progress! | emperorllamapajama | 2022-01-19 22:06:09 | 109 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
s8ya33 | FSD Beta 10.9 Write up - Significantly better | 2017 Model X 100D w AP 2.5 cameras FSD Beta s profile was set to Average This was a Costco run which I ve done a write up before which can be found here: https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments qizw8l fsd_beta_1031_drive_write_up . TL DR: Two drives one to get to Costco and one to come back. Zero disengagements on the way to Costco one disengagement coming home. No significant complaints from the wife regarding the vehicle s behavior. *Significant improvement* [This was the route taken to get to Costco](https: imgur.com fcLTaBH) There were zero disengagements. There were some incidences of note however. [At this spot here](https: imgur.com esa7ykB) I manually changed lanes from the right lane to the left lane and manually back again as there were vehicles pulled over at the side of the road. They weren t on the road and would not have been in the path of the car however Florida law is Move over for pulled over or something like that. [This intersection here](https: imgur.com TyGLDsH) historically has never worked as desired. Normally the Tesla fails to see the turn lane in time and the result is that it just keeps flying forward. This time it *did* get into the turn lane but there was a *hard* braking in the process. When leaving the intersection and turning left the car accelerated hard into the car ahead of us which was weird but it maintained the safety distances. [This intersection here](https: imgur.com RofL6WG) has also been problematic mainly because the car seems to time the vehicles wrong. I had to press the accelerator for the car to go forward through the intersection. *I think* the issue stems from not seeing turn signals in use. This intersection is super prone to getting backed up but more often than not the people at the stop sign are always going straight. So while the car in front of me got there first we were both crossing the intersection and not turning into each others paths. I think the Tesla was waiting for them to take their turn when from an efficiency standpoint we can both go since neither of us are turning. The [next intersection](https: imgur.com k88HPta) I was actually really impressed by. In my previous write up for 10.3.1 I drew this diagram [here](https: imgur.com cOwxgT6) to explain my issues and honestly they were addressed. The issue with the intersection is that technically Costco *is* a right turn up the road however if you get into the right most left turn lane then you get stopped by any car making a right as they turn. The *smart* thing to do is to be in the left most left turn lane and then just go by. And the car did it. The navigation also basically told it not to take the first right to get to Costco either it took the back entrance as I would do. It did basically choke on the last right turn into the Costco parking lot but from my stand point it from me from driveway to parking lot entry and as far as I m concerned that was zero disengagements and beautifully done. So the trip from home to Costco was near perfect and zero disengagements. The trip home used [this route here](https: imgur.com lEDgXhx) which is *very* similar but turns down a couple different roads. Leaving Costco was manual. I did the maneuver indicated [in this diagram](https: imgur.com UWinLbV) the red arow was manual driving and I kicked on Autopilot at the yellow arrow. *Historically* when I get to the [next intersection](https: imgur.com hoio4Ko) the car chokes because the lane markings are faded and it starts to drift from the right lane to the left lane in the middle of the turn. It did not do that this time. It maintained its lane with no issues. A manual lane change was needed at [this intersection](https: imgur.com cmz3Xtk) mainly because the car wants to go straight in the turn lane. This has been that way since 10.2. Not a huge issue and no disengagement was necessary. [This intersection here](https: imgur.com gm6YBUZ) is where the the single disengagement occurred. Traffic for the light was backed up to the yellow line. The car became impatient and tried to get into the left turn lane. I can understand the error there s no lane markings to denote that the left lane is turn only that far back. The wheel jerked hard to the left and because I had my hand on it it disengaged. Once we got moving again I re-engaged it and we kept going. [This intersection here](https: imgur.com kO9GSoz) almost got us T-boned. The car had to make a left turn and there was a car blocking out sight line where the yellow line is. The green line indicates where the car that was coming toward us was. My visibility was blocked due to the car indicated by the yellow line. Had I been driving I would ve crawled by way through the intersection until I could confirm no one was coming. We got through the intersection fine but I m fairly positive the oncoming car had to tap their brakes a bit. It wasn t close plenty of distance and such but this is also where my wife fussed at me the most about the car s driving. [This intersection here](https: imgur.com s3myf5x) was *almost* perfect. *In my opinion* a stop is not necessary. We were going through the intersection while the light was red and the vehicle came to a complete stop at the yellow line. I believe stopping here is not necessary because a new lane starts here. Once you complete this turn you re in a lane of your own and no one should be in it. Doesn t mean you take the turn at 50mph or something but coming to a complete stop is unnecessary in my opinion. Ultimately I hit the accelerator and got it going again. Approaching [this intersection](https: imgur.com 4Kju2fd) was another manual lane change. The car hasn t been able to do it properly at least not according to my time frame. The issue here is that three lanes cross the intersection but the right most lane ends right after you cross. *Typically* what happens is that you cross and you almost come to a complete stop from people turning into the gas station or going to Burger King. It s easier to get into one of the left two lanes ideally the left most one as you cross the intersection to avoid that crap. I manually made that lane change. Further on down the road at [this intersection](https: imgur.com m5mTrNf) the car slammed the brakes at the white line as a vehicle turned out of the gas station into the adjacent lane. Ultimately the vehicle was being over protective because the SUV that was leaving was making a wide turn out of there. I can understand it was dark better to be safe than sorry. Was a little hard though. *Historically* when the vehicle made a left turn at [this intersection](https: imgur.com tkx69aC) it would choke around where the blue line is. *Every time* I assume it has been because there s cars trying to make a right turn to get onto the same road and they stop where the orange line is but this time the car handled it *perfectly*. No stops no brakes just a smooth left turn. Now for one of the last turns. [This spot here](https: imgur.com a3LyXqG) I ve brought this up in most of my write ups because ever since 10.2 is has been failing here and required an intervention. The car needs to make a right turn however *historically* it s tried to make the right turn too early and go into the strip mall. Ever since 10.2 to I ve always had to intervene and stop it. This time it got through. I kept an eye on the FSD Beta s blue intention line and I saw it try to make a right turn then correct itself. The car did briefly try to make a right turn there but after a moment it was like No wait not there . No intervention was necessary though it does still need to be cleaned up a bit. From there it was straight home all the way to my drive way no interventions. So compared to previous iterations of FSD Beta 10.9 is a huge leap ahead. This is the first time I ve done this kind of trip with zero disengagements in one direction and only one coming back. Going to be interesting to see what v11 yields next month. Even my wife was impressed when we got home. | Nakatomi2010 | 2022-01-21 01:20:01 | 238 | htjotje | I am also seeing a massive improvement with 10.9. My personal commute used to have 2-3 consistent disengagements now it s gone zero disengagements both to and from work two days in a row. Knock on wood but if it keeps up then FSD Beta will actually be useful in real life with this version for me. | Dont_Think_So | 2022-01-21 02:44:24 | 82 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
p4o943 | FSD Beta 9.2 Has Been Released | 24 hours late but hopefully worth the wait!Looking forward to testing this tomorrow when I can get my car connected to wifi. I have yet to record any videos and considering how many YouTubers we already have I figured it wasn t necessary but I am thinking about doing some personal coverage. If anyone had any specific ideas or questions I d love to hear them so I could potentially change my mind. Edit: just a point of discussion that I will return to once I ve tested more: the largest issues I ve experienced with 9.0 9.1 are that it doesn t slow down for dips that usually wind up bottoming out or scraping the front splitter (I would assume this hasn t been fixed yet it just doesn t seem overly important right now though it would be nice if the car didn t try to break itself apart on Autopilot) and it doesn t speed up quickly enough on freeway entrances. The majority of my interventions have been pressing the accelerator which is a good sign but hopefully the software becomes more confident. | Ironmxn | 2021-08-15 06:16:11 | 437 | h90n9dz | Personally I look forward to tweets proclaiming > Oh my god this version is _soooo_ much better! Thank you @elonmusk …but then having those users provide no real objective evidence thereof | TheBurtReynold | 2021-08-15 10:52:07 | 116 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
p4rjzd | FSD Beta 9.2 includes larger area for FSD visualizations | [https: twitter.com brandonee916 status 1426821681096454147](https: twitter.com brandonee916 status 1426821681096454147) Quote: V9.2 FSD visualization takes nearly the entire screen now! | danielcar | 2021-08-15 11:13:32 | 180 | h90sg24 | I believe it s an unpopular opinion but I d rather have the larger area showing what the car sees (so I know if it s missing something) vs having the map bigger. | SparkySpecter | 2021-08-15 11:57:45 | 73 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
q1waip | FSD Beta Engagement Poll | What s your level of investment in the FSD beta? [View Poll](https: www.reddit.com poll q1waip) | ekobres | 2021-10-05 13:22:29 | 40 | hfj0udr | I fucked up the first day and got a forward collision warning. But it only gave me a 90 for the day. Right now I m hovering at 99. I would need to drive another 800+ miles to get back up to 100. | crisss1205 | 2021-10-05 21:20:50 | 47 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
rxq1jo | FSD Beta Feedback: Exurban Streets | ###### Last Updated: 2022 01 23 16:32 UTC I ve been using FSD Beta daily since being added to the program some time ago. I live in a high-growth exurban area outside of Houston Texas with a street plan that has changed drastically since the last map update and is changing rapidly to accommodate its population changes. I ve been collecting my thoughts on its performance in this environment daily. This is what I ve noticed so far. I ll be updating this post as I encounter new scenarios. Aside from the autopilot recording button on the top of the screen I m more than happy to submit this feedback on another platform on request. ## FSD 10.9 ## Strengths - It can now handle Texas U-Turns now! Fantastic improvement. - It can see and react to speed bumps! Very cool. - It sees striped yellow lanes and has attempted to overtake vehicles on the passing lane! I usually intervened because these maneuvers are terrifying especially when it hints at doing them during stopped traffic 😂 ## Areas for Improvement - Double left turn lanes with sudden rights are jerkier than I d like. However picking a different turn lane from the lane the navigation suggests has led to unpredictable behavior. - While 10.9 is faster at four-way stops and unprotected lefts it can still be very slow at times. This almost caused an accident once. ## FSD 10.8 ## Strengths - It navigates HOA streets with street-parked cars (a HUGE pet peeve but I digress) really well. It also does a good job of reacting to incoming cars. - We drive down a one-lane street that curves after a railroad track to become a two-lane road which connects to a frontage road for a six-lane US highway. Regular Autopilot will correctly detect the curve and then violently migrate to the right lane. FSD Beta smoothly drives through the curve and into the left lane. This is a good example of it recognizing and responding to its surrounding domain. - I am LOVING the time-dimensionality FSD adds to the AP stack. This works really well when it decides to make a lane change but thinks a car behind or ahead of it might block. - Loving that FSD can visualize brake lights. That s super cool. - FSD Beta s done a good job with unprotected left turns even with traffic. But it isn t consistent. - FSD Beta degrades from sudden speed limit changes MUCH more gracefully than regular Autopilot does. Example: the speed limit on the aforementioned frontage road is 50 mph except for a small section that is tagged at 25 mph. Regular Autopilot before 2021.44.5.x would violently slow down to meet this limit. (My speed limit offset is set to 0.) Regular Autopilot after this release handles this more gracefully but still degrades faster than a human would. FSD Beta degrades much more human-like and has _some_ semblance of following traffic flow which is good. ## Areas for Improvement - **Sharp turns and U-Turns**. It struggles a lot with these. Today (1 8 2022) it curbed itself while making a sharp left. I intervened in an attempt to prevent it but my depth perception failed me. Fortunately it was at low speed this could have been catastrophic otherwise. - **Parking Lots**. Holy fuck does FSD needs all the help it can get navigating parking lots. It makes ultra wide turns and generally-counterintuitive routing decisions despite its map data and it straight-up `noop`s in unmarked parking lots (of which there are many in exurban and rural environments). - **Railroads**: FSD Beta doesn t know about railroad crossing gates. It almost hit one in one of my drives. - Much less manual torque is required when FSD throws a steering wheel test. This has caused unexpected FSD disengagements. - Autosteer will disengage if the cabin camera gets blocked. This happened after I turned it on in a parking lot it was a little scary as it was driving its way into a curb! - FSD Beta straight-up doesn t know about [Texas U-Turns](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Texas_U-turn). Like it picks the correct lane to enter the turnaround but it will slowly brake as it thinks it s approaching a light and then proceeds SLOWLY to the Yield where it took longer to creep forward and go then I would have. - Start-up time is slower than I d like. Hopefully that improves in future versions. - So FSD Beta NoA religiously follows the route its given from Google Maps. This has proven dangerous twice in my experience using it so far. The more notable experience was when it attempted to take a right onto a street from a barricaded off-ramp across three lanes of traffic with less than 1000 ft of runway. While this is exactly what Google tells you to do decisions like these are super dumb and very dangerous. It would be neat if Tesla Navigation could patch over these routing decisions using crowd-sourced data somehow. - It takes longer to make turns after approaching traffic controls than I would. | mrcrassic | 2022-01-06 21:54:05 | 38 | hrk79it | FYI Tesla doesn t use Google Maps for routing - it s their own navigation data in the US. They only use Google Maps for the map visuals. | brandonlive | 2022-01-06 23:24:06 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ykqagr | FSD Beta Queue and Software Update Preference | Any one know how setting Software Update Setting (Normal or Advanced) affects getting into FSD Beta? I am on build 2022.36.4 and understand FSD 10.69.3 is now tied to build 2022.36.15. But there is also a build 2022.40.4 out there. If I used Advanced setting will my car leapfrog to 2022.40.4 and thus put me out of line for getting 2022.36.15 and possibility of FSD 10.69.3? Very complicated to even type this post…let alone understand how this may play out. Thanks for anyone who may have insight. | BigNorthWolf | 2022-11-03 02:50:35 | 19 | iuuv1ht | I like to think the advanced setting is like the door close button on an elevator: you can push it the button lights up but ultimately it doesn t do anything meaningful because the door will still close when it s programmed to do so | invoman | 2022-11-03 04:26:33 | 50 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
qg7oih | FSD Beta Should BEEP BEEP BEEP When Reversing | I was on FSD Beta 10.3.1 yesterday and came to a red light and needed to make a right turn. The car creeped forward for visibility and then reversed on its own to back away from cross traffic. Within a second and before I even realized that the car had reversed I pressed the accelerator to force it to go forward a bit however it was still in reverse and I had to quickly hit the brakes to avoid hitting the car behind me. It all happened very quickly but I think this problem could be avoided if the car simply made a BEEP BEEP BEEP sound whenever FSD is in reverse. It s very important that the driver knows what the car s intentions are at all times and in a split second decision you need to know whether the car is in drive or reverse. **EDIT:** Here s a more detailed timeline of events: 1. With FSD engaged the car came to a stop at the stoplight in the right turn lane with no cars in front and a car behind me. The route required a right turn and the car turned the right blinker on. 2. There was cross traffic and the car was failing to creep forward for the right turn. It is perfectly legal to make a right turn on red at this intersection. 3. It was necessary to creep forward to see around decorative brick planters bordering the intersection so I pressed the accelerator and moved the car forward 10 or so. 4. I felt that I was in a safe position but I guess the car thought I was too far out so it began to reverse a few feet. 5. I hit the brakes to stop it from moving backwards into the car behind me which disengaged FSD. 6. I shifted the car back into drive from reverse and proceeded to make the right turn on my own. In conclusion I do not beleive it was necessary for the car to reverse away from cross traffic in this instance. I had plenty of distance between the front of my car and the cross traffic. I was caught completely off guard by the car shifting into reverse and believe a beeping sound would have avoided the confusion. | brandude87 | 2021-10-26 14:31:34 | 489 | hi4xzu0 | Email this to [email protected] and see if they will take that suggestion. | cmrBayStunta | 2021-10-26 17:12:40 | 259 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ro74lz | FSD Beta Testers - please remember to hit the camera button when it does something bad. This is what beta testing is for. I see too many Youtube drives who just rant in their videos about this it does wrong but never hit the button. Please it s not that hard. | That s it. | bohaan | 2021-12-25 10:07:00 | 348 | hpxe3vn | Don t forget to hit the button when it doesn t do something good (E.g. If it sits at empty intersection go hit button). | butstillaliens | 2021-12-25 16:15:05 | 80 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
okvhjv | FSD Beta V9 struggles to get on highway and correct itself by changing route | Full video: [https: youtu.be HMn2VUui-LU](https: youtu.be HMn2VUui-LU) https: reddit.com link okvhjv video d5gs2kufdeb71 player | FrenchieEAP | 2021-07-15 15:44:52 | 71 | h5bb2wq | The only thing I m seeing here is that it didn t stop in the middle of the road to try and force a lane change - which is a great behavior to see. Correcting itself by changing route is a little generous as the blinker shuts off right when the lane change becomes illegal and standard rerouting takes place. | GoSh4rks | 2021-07-15 19:53:55 | 69 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
t87ig4 | FSD Beta in Boston | I ve been driving on FSD Beta in Boston since Nov 2021 and have a few things to say: • Far more disengagements needed here than seen in CA beta videos • Many Boston roads give straight up third-world country vibes and that s when Beta veers left and right being super confused • Recently drove to Florida which has near flawless street quality maintenance. I felt like I had a different car at that point. SO MANY 0 disengagement drives in FL it s crazy! • Regardless Beta has gotten much better in Boston over the many versions since 10.2 • Wondering when Tesla will include Boston-like data in its training Neural Net because it s hard to go a single minute without taking over • Also beta seems to unknowingly drive into big piles of plowed snow on the side of the street so that data is currently missing as well Thanks! | DiligentSilver678 | 2022-03-06 20:24:40 | 86 | hzmw8t1 | Ironically City Streets does much better outside of cities (and in smaller ones) Issue is AVs are (and need to be) too timid to interact well with large amounts of aggressive humans | Hobojo153 | 2022-03-06 23:15:49 | 19 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
g4toud | FSD CPU Retrofit Experience - Great but... | Last Wednesday I finally got my M3 LR AWD retrofit for the FSD computer. It was finally scheduled through the app after a couple denials. My service center is completely touchless now so when I got there they had a link in a text message that took me to a website to check in. I got a phone call a few minutes later then another text with an UBER credit link. I left my key card in the car and went home. Throughout the day I would check the app and see that it was in service mode etc...then about 3pm I checked and it said software updating and then the car was back online. I got a text saying the car was ready for pickup. I headed back. There was a slight confusion at pickup as they didn t leave my key card in the car and I had to swing back and get it. But the car was good to go AND the 3.0 display is very cool. Seeing stop signs and traffic lights made the car feel fresh again. HOWEVER...I noticed my LTE connection was a bit off. Very spotty and if I had connection at all it was barely 3G. A majority of the time it had no connection. Prior to the retrofit I always had terrific signal driving all around my area. I thought maybe it was a calibration thing maybe just needed to reconnect download new cellular settings or something. Figured when I got home and connected to wifi it would get sorted. 3 days later it s no better. The car won t wake remotely. No warmup. No summon. No nothing. Streaming entertainment is unusable. $10 month for nothing right now. I ve put in another service ticket have a scheduled mobile service later this week. If I had to guess there s either an antenna issue the board isn t seated right or I just got a bad cellular board. But having to wait months for the retrofit and then for it to break my cellular connectivity...for a car I love so much it just makes me feel frustrated. EDIT: Failed to mention that yes I have tried the two button reboot multiple times. It has not helped. EDIT2: Mobile service came yesterday. Right on time and pulled up in a Tesla Mobile Service branded Model S. He confirmed the problem had me unlock the car remotely (social distancing). I waited inside. It took maybe 6 mins my doorbell rang and he said he was done. It was indeed simply an unseated wire. Everything is perfect. It s amazing to me that a car I bought over a year ago is getting better. | Resevdog | 2020-04-20 14:23:20 | 22 | fnzffi4 | Thank you for posting your experience. After the HW3 upgrade I too noticed my LTE would not connect. No music and no GPS routing. I rebooted the MCU figuring it could not hurt and a few minutes later LTE was back online. | hmspain | 2020-04-20 14:30:12 | 21 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
hfazoy | FSD Discount | First: you ll forgive my naïveté. I m not an owner but am planning to be in the near future. There have been a few posts lately about the FSD upgrade being discounted for EAP-equipped M3 s. Normally it s $4 000 but now it s on sale for $3 000. If I m not mistaken all M3 s manufactured today are automatically equipped with EAP - this may not have been true in the past although I m not 100% true. FSD is a $7 000 upgrade when you buy the vehicle. Obviously $3 000 (and $4 000) are considerably less than $7 000. Why then would someone get the FSD at purchase if you can buy an EAP-equipped vehicle and upgrade it for less? Am I missing something? Clearly I m missing something right? Edit: used FSD in place of EAP above. Fixed. | raziz216 | 2020-06-24 22:30:26 | 10 | fvwewx7 | AP is included today. A few years ago Tesla instead sold something called EAP which was comprised roughly of AP+Navigate on Autopilot and for more money you could pre-buy FSD features as well. So all in it s AP-> EAP-> FSD. | 404davee | 2020-06-24 22:34:14 | 21 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
g9sg06 | FSD Feature List Updated | Previously titled Automatic driving on city streets now reads as Autosteer on city streets while the traffic lights and stop signs feature was moved up as an available feature since entering beta. https: preview.redd.it tkm5kbs4plv41.png?width=851& format=png& auto=webp& s=564871b03cca7cb89238977dbfd0057c915df1ff | Ry95T | 2020-04-28 18:19:10 | 52 | fovayhm | I think this means: not able to take turns in city streets? | GuidoPico | 2020-04-28 18:24:49 | 69 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
wjj02l | FSD Lane Change Turn Signal Feature Improvement Idea | Edit: Sounds like I messed up and forgot what it was like to have lane changes with confirmation on. I have confirmation off which means it will make the lane change unless you cancel. But it seems to require sensing your resistance on the wheel to continue. When FSD decides to make a lane change depending on your settings you have to either confirm the turn or make sure your hand presence is known on the wheel before it automatically does the turn. When the lane change is initiated the car displays the then externally (flashing light). This doesn t make sense to me because of two reasons: 1. If you cancel lane change - Imagine driving behind a car that keeps putting it s turn signal on then back off. That is confusing. 2. The turn signal is on for too long - IMO because it takes time to either approve the lane change or make sure your hand is present on the wheel the signal is one for far too long. I think it should turn on once it is approved and ready to start the change. My suggestion is to keep the internal clicking noise of the turn and internal UI display of the turn signal but suppress the external display of the turn. This seems great to the driver it is obvious the turn is occurring but to the external view it is not making a lane change until the lane change is approved. Obv this doesn t apply to driver-initiated lane changes | BlueJ173 | 2022-08-08 20:19:10 | 40 | ijhv0oo | I m confused about what y all are describing I have EAP and the blinker doesn t start ***until*** I have approved the lane change. The display on the screen is badgering me to decode (*approve or cancel*) but there s no indicator at this point. Granted it s blinks six-seven times rather than the three that a tap gives but I like that it doesn t stop until the car is complete with the maneuver. | MotherAffect7773 | 2022-08-08 21:32:02 | 16 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
xkhaia | FSD Making Incorrect Left Turns | It appears FSD makes it s lane choice by determining the next turn even if the turn is far down the road instead of turning into the left lane and then signaling to move over to the right. Has anyone else experienced this? I m assuming most jurisdictions in North America have similar left turn lane rules. It happens every single time. Also worth noting that it does not appear to be confused and jerking at the last minute into a lane (it does that other times during more complicated turns) but rather this is very smooth deliberate and into the wrong lane. All lanes are clearly marked and it does this at all intersections where my next turn is a right hand turn. https: preview.redd.it g9o0k34c3ap91.jpg?width=475& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=55c149b78c372781ad29a4e90ad88224c03ee048 | Geckosgonch | 2022-09-21 21:16:03 | 36 | ipe444g | More often than not I have the opposite problem. With a quick turn coming up it will still turn into the closest lane then try to awkwardly cross multiple lanes to make the turn. | indolent02 | 2022-09-21 22:16:00 | 46 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
do1p01 | FSD Owners: share smart summon stories now that you ve settled in to having it. | Greetings from r teslainvestorsclub ! I am sure a lot of us investors and many of prospective buyers would like to know how your personal experience using Smart Summon is going. Mr. Musk said last week it had already been invoked a million (!) times which means that a majority of those times it probably didn t cause property damage or embarrass the owner. Maybe it s ho hum you use it a few times but whatever. Maybe it s a Priceless feature because of your broken leg. Maybe just a novelty. I m fishing for anecdotes short and long positive and negative. | Joe_Anglican | 2019-10-28 00:42:27 | 19 | f5jd9xb | We were driving through Tennessee on our way from Florida. Tropical storm Hubert on our tail. We make good time outrunning it we stay for the night. In the morning we wake up at 7am look outside it is dark as night. I come out to pull the car up for the family. This southern local character is hanging out up front. Wind is 60mph rain flying sideways. He makes a comment about me getting soaked. I press the “come to me” button and car perfectly pulls up under the front canopy. His eyes turn square as he gasps “there ain t no body in the car!” | 0r10z | 2019-10-28 01:15:20 | 33 | Smart Summon Limitations |
k21qhk | FSD Path forward? | Given Tesla s pace of improvement with an admittedly small beta test (let s say 80 users) doesn t it have a pretty straightforward path forward to L3 L4? 1. Get the current user base to half of the original number of total interventions week as happened when it first launched the first beta. 2. Double the size of the user base. 3. Reduce total interventions week to the previous low making interventions car half as frequent as when the expansion occurred. 4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 until the full fleet is in the beta. 5. Celebrate-- each car is relatively unlikely to have an intervention on any given trip. 6. Seek L3 or L4 authorizations. To be sure this will take time but each reduction step should be manageable for the neural net programmers as the number of interventions to examine and correct for won t explode. And the user base will stay happy-- periodic doubling of the test user base will generate lots of PR and publicity. Even if it takes 2-3 years this seems like a very credible path forward to what is basically FSD anywhere anytime. | TeslaFan88 | 2020-11-27 14:09:22 | 17 | gdro6as | We re talking about something that has never been done before: teaching computers how to drive vehicles in the chaos of human life. I agree that this new FSD rewrite is super impressive with steady updates but we re seeing very attentive and intelligent drivers testing on the roads. My concern is that the general public want fall asleep and let FSD do all the work. It ll be interesting to see how Tesla keeps pushing the boundaries and opening up the beta to more drivers. No other company is even attempting this outside highly controlled areas. | ScavengerLife | 2020-11-27 14:46:12 | 41 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
io9igh | FSD Revenue: What s Left? | As many of you know Tesla defers the recognition of revenue collected for it s “Full Self-Driving” package until the company is able to release features of said package to the public. [According to its website](https: www.tesla.com support autopilot) Tesla seems to indicate that the only “upcoming” feature is “Autosteer on city streets”. So two questions: 1. Do we know if Tesla considers “Autosteer on city streets” — as far as the FSD package is concerned — the only remaining feature to achieve the “feature complete” milestone? 2. Has Tesla ever in a conference call and or financial statement specified the percent of FSD revenue the company has recognized to-date (and what remains outstanding)? | TheBurtReynold | 2020-09-07 15:30:26 | 23 | g4cbmzw | Well years ago they said the car would be able to pick me up from my house and take me coast to coast without interaction so yeah.... | emailrob | 2020-09-07 15:41:35 | 37 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
gtj0mh | FSD Robo Taxi Question | The Model 3 and the Model Y have interior cabin cameras for FSD Robo Taxis but the Model S and X do not. I m curious on why they have not put them in yet since those cars as well will be able to become a Robo Taxi too which is what my understanding is. Would like to know other people s thoughts about this | Zark7777 | 2020-05-30 18:23:04 | 11 | fscpm7m | S X do not have their interiors designed for FSD like 3 Y. Perhaps after the mythical S X refresh with the horizontal screen. | croninsiglos | 2020-05-30 20:58:48 | 5 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
jdglpq | FSD Sees School Speed Limits As Normal Speed Limits | I ve noticed since 40.3 that the car is seeing school speed limit signs as hard speed limits. These signs have qualifications like posted hours on school days or when flashing . It would not be so bad except the speed limit does not revert on the End Reduced Speed Limit signs. There is a stretch of road near my house where it thinks the limit is 20mph along the entire road. Obviously I have to disengage the system there. As long as glitches like this continue I m thinking we need a way to override the speed limit setting perhaps limited by the speed limit in the map data. It could be something as simple as touching the speed limit icon to revert to the map data speed limit. | rods_and_chains | 2020-10-18 13:46:07 | 112 | g9828lh | I have to imagine they are working on fixing the sign readings... Here in PA theres a stretch of highway that is 70MPH Speed limit but theres a 20MPH limit on trucks and it was constantly picking up the 20mph limit signs for trucks and pushing it to my car... I can only imagine they are working to fix this issue. | Quitthatgrit | 2020-10-18 14:25:09 | 42 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
yijk8w | FSD Snapshot icon no longer works | FSD Beta Testers - According to u greentheonly Tesla has disabled the manual triggers button and pressing the camera icon no longer sends any data back to Tesla. [https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1586438281671348225](https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1586438281671348225) | drtobiasfunkeee | 2022-10-31 18:02:53 | 35 | iuj7vqy | I think they should replace it with thumbs up and thumbs down icons. Thumbs up for a well-handled intersection turn thumbs down for a poorly-handled one. I ve seen it do some things extremely well and I d like to be able to reinforce that behavior while also highlighting when it misbehaves so that the problems can get the attention they need. | majesticjg | 2022-10-31 19:06:11 | 51 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
v7qfae | FSD Software w no destination | If you have FSD beta but don t put in a destination does it still stop at stop lights stop signs when autopilot is enabled? | tripp_hobbs | 2022-06-08 14:04:18 | 34 | ibmaf3r | Yes. So does AP with FSD (no beta) | perrochon | 2022-06-08 15:28:55 | 48 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
evy8e6 | FSD Update from investor call | [https: youtu.be m1WQ0flBAi0?t=3616](https: youtu.be m1WQ0flBAi0?t=3616) From approx 1:00:17 to 1:02:40 TL DR Is that feature complete means the car has a non-zero percent chance of going from your home to work without any interventions not that all full self driving features work well. The expected timeline for feature complete is within the next few months. The autopilot team has made good progress in the system s foundations and they are expecting to make large improvements on video training labeling using all 8 cameras simultaneously. | Cykon | 2020-01-30 02:38:24 | 141 | ffypw4r | I never really expected feature complete to mean anything different. FSD is feature-complete once all the *features* are *complete* meaning they exist. So we basically need traffic signal reactions turns stop signs and roundabouts. | Doctor_McKay | 2020-01-30 02:44:12 | 101 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
ejd760 | FSD Visualisation now show speeds bumps | [On this video](https: youtu.be NAbTAqxrLjE) at 6:58 you can see that Autopilot render a stop line when there is a speed bump. I don t know if it s from 2019.40.5.1 or if had something with 2019.40.5.7. If you want to see a complete (I hope it does) list of Autopilot visualisation you can see [this post ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments egqtjf listing_of_all_tesla_autopilot_visualization ) | TechFan_Theo | 2020-01-03 09:35:47 | 17 | fcwzkia | I think this is the computer seeing the white line as a stop line rather than it actually knowing it is a speed bump and rendering it as such. | nullnox | 2020-01-03 09:41:41 | 49 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
jj9uy7 | FSD abilities (has anyone seen the following) | - navigating an uncontrolledly intersection with cars waiting.. IE arriving at a 4 way stop with other cars already stopped and turning. - left turn on a green not a dedicated turn arrow (edit: with on coming traffic not an empty street) - correctly dealing with special signals in some cities such as transit only lights. - slowing for school zone or play ground markers at time of day Kind of feel we need a driving test video showing what it can and can t do vs a new driver taking their learners permit test. | ElectroSpore | 2020-10-27 21:02:19 | 27 | gabbv2k | It s done an unprotected left turn | y2kbaby2 | 2020-10-27 21:14:04 | 35 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
n2jxw0 | FSD after delivery | Like many if you I am patiently waiting for the new Model S. I test drove the first Model S in Bellingham back in 2012 and I knew I wanted a Tesla then. Now nearly 10 years later I m finally able to afford one. In Canada the FSD upgrade is $10 000CAD at the time of purchase. But I m wondering what the cost will be after delivery. Is it the same or will it be more expensive? Most likely I would prefer the subscription model but just curious what others have seen. | mmmzee | 2021-05-01 14:56:23 | 25 | gwkjwhw | Oh and one more thing: if you do decide to pay for it do so because you think the functionality *as it currently stands* is worth $10 000. If that s really how you feel after doing the research test driving all the features in person and so on then go for it. But don t let anyone convince you that you re making a ground-floor once-in-a-lifetime investment in robotaxis and income while you sleep . I mean I thought I was being realistic by paying for FSD *just* to beta test a moonshot even if all that meant was a few late-night thrill rides on empty roads in software that s hilariously buggy but fascinating to experience first-hand. That s *all* I was expecting and even that feels like a mistake at this point. My bottom line suggestion: treat it as unambiguously worth $10 000 *this second* or a red flag visible from space. One or the other no excuses. | DM65536 | 2021-05-01 18:36:01 | 40 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
enrsmh | FSD after purchase. | I m curious to hear if Tesla offers “sales” on Full Self Drive” for the Model 3. I m looking at purchasing a Long Range but don t want to buy FSD right now. I know it s $7 000 at purchase. I m not sure what the normal price after sale is. I ve heard it is more. Just not sure how much. I ve seen posts of people getting an upgrade for just $2 000 but I think that was for the S X and from enhanced to FSD so not really applicable. What prices have people seen for after sale upgrades to FSD recently? | solarsystemoccupant | 2020-01-12 19:11:41 | 25 | fe59lcm | Don t do it. You re paying $7000 for automatic lane changes essentially which from what I hear do not work all that well. Navigate on auto-pilot is pretty cool. Otherwise it s smart summon which is too slow and quirky to actually be useful and auto-park which also from what I hear hardly ever works. You re paying $7000 for the promise that some time in the future your car will be fully self driving. When that will be who knows? The tech isn t there yet and on top of that there are legislative hurdles. I feel like it s going to be quite awhile before this feature is fully realized. | Mographer | 2020-01-12 22:07:33 | 17 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
da9y0k | FSD and Hardware 3 upgrade | Hi All Does upgrading to FSD from Enhanced AP still make the upgraded eligible for upgrade to HW3 from HW2.5? I got my M3 AWD in November 2018 got EAP but not FSD but wondering if the package still includes the HW3 upgrade like was advertised last year. Also has anyone upgraded to HW3 from 2.5? What was the process like? Disclaimer: I know HW3 doesn t make much if at all difference with standard EAP features. That being said future proofing enhances the value proposition for FSD for me. | Gabik123 | 2019-09-28 01:57:41 | 32 | f1o8d9h | I talked to a Tesla tech today. He said they re doing S upgrades now then X then 3. It can be installed via mobile service. | keepitcleanforwork | 2019-09-28 02:24:07 | 26 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
cpgq1z | FSD and Legislation | I don t think we re that far out from realizing FSD the way Tesla brags about it. Within 5-10 years max I see FSD being fully functional and statistically safer than a normal driver. & #x200B That being said though I dont think legislatively it will ever pass in such a way that removes the driver owner from responsibility or allows it to be legal in any capacity to not still be in control of the vehicle at all times. I think that will also include driver-less cars. I think we will have FSD in the near future but it will be illegal to really use it Thoughts? Maybe I am being short sighted. | evanstueve | 2019-08-12 18:50:36 | 12 | ewp9u9a | FSD will become legal very quickly once it is fully functional so long as politicians are able to somehow use it to put money in their pockets. | Bigsam411 | 2019-08-12 19:02:46 | 16 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
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