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Obama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.
He’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works."
] |
>
Why was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks."
] |
>
Honestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue.
I would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland."
] |
>
I hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.
I hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode."
] |
>
What's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this.
But foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way."
] |
>
Every US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol"
] |
>
Ooo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess."
] |
>
Dibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected."
] |
>
Joke's on you: it's all "Password1" and "12345."
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use."
] |
>
Hey, that's the same as my luggage!
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\""
] |
>
I bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!"
] |
>
Fascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.
Listen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.
That’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be.
Did Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.
Did Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know.
Was Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.
If Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.
How is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.
Prosecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now"
] |
>
Wow. No.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated."
] |
>
No, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No."
] |
>
Mar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).
Biden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”"
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>
in the past
So no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t."
] |
>
The DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary."
] |
>
Yes... this is the way it's always been...
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them"
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>
As long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been..."
] |
>
“They are gonna get him this time……”
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care."
] |
>
For those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them.
The crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry.
Should President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”"
] |
>
I'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe."
] |
>
That sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance."
] |
>
It's political cover for Jack Smith
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit"
] |
>
Think you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith"
] |
>
Good pick.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out."
] |
>
How would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick."
] |
>
It's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.
Like, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.
This victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.
|
[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong."
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Good! Do it.
No one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point."
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This proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?"
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Appointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump."
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Someone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment."
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It's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes."
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Biden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.
Seems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.
I was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).
Garland needs to do his f'ing job.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that."
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This is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job."
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I think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.
On one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.
In the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.
If President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.
There's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats."
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Oh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is."
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Good, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents."
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Good. This shit needs to stop.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it."
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I have zero problems with this
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop."
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Search his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this"
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This whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.
Obviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!"
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Waiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence."
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You know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”"
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Howcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!"
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The more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?"
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Did he hide them in the Cabana?
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important."
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Ha... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?"
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s"
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Okay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird?
I feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?
Edit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood."
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I don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter."
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Don’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties."
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I have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?
edit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…"
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Funny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office."
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Well there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.
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[
"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump."
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While it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question "who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.
It sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted."
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Yeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents."
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Somehow, this saga will translate into "Trump is really in trouble now" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents."
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This just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.
This thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.
There’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.
We had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books."
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There’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.
There wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics."
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Good. F 'em all. Especially orange
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now."
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There got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange"
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office..."
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What will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood."
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It’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time.
I’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite."
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I don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again."
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Look on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble"
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!"
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money."
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He is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif"
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Classified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.
e: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them."
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…"
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Biden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season."
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan."
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No crime yet....It's probably just an old man with a failing memory. I'm a Democrat, but Biden's age and his memory worries me. I'll honestly feel better with Harris in charge.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.",
">\n\nCan't pardon if there's no crime"
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How was Biden's memory "failing" if the documents were found by his team, when no one was looking for them for 6 years? Was Biden supposed to have photographic memory for handling thousands of documents?
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.",
">\n\nCan't pardon if there's no crime",
">\n\nNo crime yet....It's probably just an old man with a failing memory. I'm a Democrat, but Biden's age and his memory worries me. I'll honestly feel better with Harris in charge."
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If they are classified, top secret, he should remember having them or not. It's not an excuse that since you handle thousands, it's OK to have a few lying around.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.",
">\n\nCan't pardon if there's no crime",
">\n\nNo crime yet....It's probably just an old man with a failing memory. I'm a Democrat, but Biden's age and his memory worries me. I'll honestly feel better with Harris in charge.",
">\n\nHow was Biden's memory \"failing\" if the documents were found by his team, when no one was looking for them for 6 years? Was Biden supposed to have photographic memory for handling thousands of documents?"
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Except Biden handed off those documents to 3-4 people in the chain of command. Assistants and interns handle them. Sure, its probably professional negligence, but it's not "failing memory" or malicious intent. Biden shouldn't 'step down' over this. At the most, we should pass laws requiring better handling of documents.
Biden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore
What? He's done his job just fine. I heard that talking point when worldwide inflation hit hard, and the student debt thing early on. Progressives thought everything could be fixed by executive order.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.",
">\n\nCan't pardon if there's no crime",
">\n\nNo crime yet....It's probably just an old man with a failing memory. I'm a Democrat, but Biden's age and his memory worries me. I'll honestly feel better with Harris in charge.",
">\n\nHow was Biden's memory \"failing\" if the documents were found by his team, when no one was looking for them for 6 years? Was Biden supposed to have photographic memory for handling thousands of documents?",
">\n\nIf they are classified, top secret, he should remember having them or not. It's not an excuse that since you handle thousands, it's OK to have a few lying around."
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Even if it's professional negligence, it still doesn't look good. There's no real good way of looking at this for him. It's either 1. Negligence, 2. Ignorance, 3. Forgetfulness, 4. Malicious intent or some combination. In all cases, Republicans are going to take advantage of this for the next 2 years like they did with Hillary. The special counsel is going to take 1-2 years to do their investigation. So all this will certainly carry into 2024 elections. Honestly, what do you think is the best course for him and the Democrats at this point? Play defensive and hope it doesn't affect 2024 or him resigning and giving some fresh blood a chance?
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.",
">\n\nCan't pardon if there's no crime",
">\n\nNo crime yet....It's probably just an old man with a failing memory. I'm a Democrat, but Biden's age and his memory worries me. I'll honestly feel better with Harris in charge.",
">\n\nHow was Biden's memory \"failing\" if the documents were found by his team, when no one was looking for them for 6 years? Was Biden supposed to have photographic memory for handling thousands of documents?",
">\n\nIf they are classified, top secret, he should remember having them or not. It's not an excuse that since you handle thousands, it's OK to have a few lying around.",
">\n\nExcept Biden handed off those documents to 3-4 people in the chain of command. Assistants and interns handle them. Sure, its probably professional negligence, but it's not \"failing memory\" or malicious intent. Biden shouldn't 'step down' over this. At the most, we should pass laws requiring better handling of documents. \n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore\n\nWhat? He's done his job just fine. I heard that talking point when worldwide inflation hit hard, and the student debt thing early on. Progressives thought everything could be fixed by executive order."
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I've heard all that when Biden stepped in to cancel the rail strike, and the gas prices, and Hunter's dick pics, and the Afghanistan pullout. And even when Biden fell because of his dog, Republicans were saying he should be declared unfit for office. They want to impeach Biden for inflation, but then they vote against bills to fight inflation. It's so they can campaign on it and saying "look, the Democrats are doing NOTHING!" Trust me, no Democratic President will be immune to "bad optics".
Even Harris would be scrutinized for being a lame duck, or the surge in immigration, or her past with jailing black people. She is even less popular than Dick Cheney. So you can bet that once she becomes President and starts doing things- just anything- then the Republicans will fight back.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.",
">\n\nCan't pardon if there's no crime",
">\n\nNo crime yet....It's probably just an old man with a failing memory. I'm a Democrat, but Biden's age and his memory worries me. I'll honestly feel better with Harris in charge.",
">\n\nHow was Biden's memory \"failing\" if the documents were found by his team, when no one was looking for them for 6 years? Was Biden supposed to have photographic memory for handling thousands of documents?",
">\n\nIf they are classified, top secret, he should remember having them or not. It's not an excuse that since you handle thousands, it's OK to have a few lying around.",
">\n\nExcept Biden handed off those documents to 3-4 people in the chain of command. Assistants and interns handle them. Sure, its probably professional negligence, but it's not \"failing memory\" or malicious intent. Biden shouldn't 'step down' over this. At the most, we should pass laws requiring better handling of documents. \n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore\n\nWhat? He's done his job just fine. I heard that talking point when worldwide inflation hit hard, and the student debt thing early on. Progressives thought everything could be fixed by executive order.",
">\n\nEven if it's professional negligence, it still doesn't look good. There's no real good way of looking at this for him. It's either 1. Negligence, 2. Ignorance, 3. Forgetfulness, 4. Malicious intent or some combination. In all cases, Republicans are going to take advantage of this for the next 2 years like they did with Hillary. The special counsel is going to take 1-2 years to do their investigation. So all this will certainly carry into 2024 elections. Honestly, what do you think is the best course for him and the Democrats at this point? Play defensive and hope it doesn't affect 2024 or him resigning and giving some fresh blood a chance?"
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Send all of them to jail and then start looking into bringing them up on war crime charges. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, I don't care. Accountability should start sometime, why not now?!
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.",
">\n\nCan't pardon if there's no crime",
">\n\nNo crime yet....It's probably just an old man with a failing memory. I'm a Democrat, but Biden's age and his memory worries me. I'll honestly feel better with Harris in charge.",
">\n\nHow was Biden's memory \"failing\" if the documents were found by his team, when no one was looking for them for 6 years? Was Biden supposed to have photographic memory for handling thousands of documents?",
">\n\nIf they are classified, top secret, he should remember having them or not. It's not an excuse that since you handle thousands, it's OK to have a few lying around.",
">\n\nExcept Biden handed off those documents to 3-4 people in the chain of command. Assistants and interns handle them. Sure, its probably professional negligence, but it's not \"failing memory\" or malicious intent. Biden shouldn't 'step down' over this. At the most, we should pass laws requiring better handling of documents. \n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore\n\nWhat? He's done his job just fine. I heard that talking point when worldwide inflation hit hard, and the student debt thing early on. Progressives thought everything could be fixed by executive order.",
">\n\nEven if it's professional negligence, it still doesn't look good. There's no real good way of looking at this for him. It's either 1. Negligence, 2. Ignorance, 3. Forgetfulness, 4. Malicious intent or some combination. In all cases, Republicans are going to take advantage of this for the next 2 years like they did with Hillary. The special counsel is going to take 1-2 years to do their investigation. So all this will certainly carry into 2024 elections. Honestly, what do you think is the best course for him and the Democrats at this point? Play defensive and hope it doesn't affect 2024 or him resigning and giving some fresh blood a chance?",
">\n\nI've heard all that when Biden stepped in to cancel the rail strike, and the gas prices, and Hunter's dick pics, and the Afghanistan pullout. And even when Biden fell because of his dog, Republicans were saying he should be declared unfit for office. They want to impeach Biden for inflation, but then they vote against bills to fight inflation. It's so they can campaign on it and saying \"look, the Democrats are doing NOTHING!\" Trust me, no Democratic President will be immune to \"bad optics\". \nEven Harris would be scrutinized for being a lame duck, or the surge in immigration, or her past with jailing black people. She is even less popular than Dick Cheney. So you can bet that once she becomes President and starts doing things- just anything- then the Republicans will fight back."
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.",
">\n\nCan't pardon if there's no crime",
">\n\nNo crime yet....It's probably just an old man with a failing memory. I'm a Democrat, but Biden's age and his memory worries me. I'll honestly feel better with Harris in charge.",
">\n\nHow was Biden's memory \"failing\" if the documents were found by his team, when no one was looking for them for 6 years? Was Biden supposed to have photographic memory for handling thousands of documents?",
">\n\nIf they are classified, top secret, he should remember having them or not. It's not an excuse that since you handle thousands, it's OK to have a few lying around.",
">\n\nExcept Biden handed off those documents to 3-4 people in the chain of command. Assistants and interns handle them. Sure, its probably professional negligence, but it's not \"failing memory\" or malicious intent. Biden shouldn't 'step down' over this. At the most, we should pass laws requiring better handling of documents. \n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore\n\nWhat? He's done his job just fine. I heard that talking point when worldwide inflation hit hard, and the student debt thing early on. Progressives thought everything could be fixed by executive order.",
">\n\nEven if it's professional negligence, it still doesn't look good. There's no real good way of looking at this for him. It's either 1. Negligence, 2. Ignorance, 3. Forgetfulness, 4. Malicious intent or some combination. In all cases, Republicans are going to take advantage of this for the next 2 years like they did with Hillary. The special counsel is going to take 1-2 years to do their investigation. So all this will certainly carry into 2024 elections. Honestly, what do you think is the best course for him and the Democrats at this point? Play defensive and hope it doesn't affect 2024 or him resigning and giving some fresh blood a chance?",
">\n\nI've heard all that when Biden stepped in to cancel the rail strike, and the gas prices, and Hunter's dick pics, and the Afghanistan pullout. And even when Biden fell because of his dog, Republicans were saying he should be declared unfit for office. They want to impeach Biden for inflation, but then they vote against bills to fight inflation. It's so they can campaign on it and saying \"look, the Democrats are doing NOTHING!\" Trust me, no Democratic President will be immune to \"bad optics\". \nEven Harris would be scrutinized for being a lame duck, or the surge in immigration, or her past with jailing black people. She is even less popular than Dick Cheney. So you can bet that once she becomes President and starts doing things- just anything- then the Republicans will fight back.",
">\n\nSend all of them to jail and then start looking into bringing them up on war crime charges. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, I don't care. Accountability should start sometime, why not now?!"
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My guess is that nothing will come from this special council.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.",
">\n\nCan't pardon if there's no crime",
">\n\nNo crime yet....It's probably just an old man with a failing memory. I'm a Democrat, but Biden's age and his memory worries me. I'll honestly feel better with Harris in charge.",
">\n\nHow was Biden's memory \"failing\" if the documents were found by his team, when no one was looking for them for 6 years? Was Biden supposed to have photographic memory for handling thousands of documents?",
">\n\nIf they are classified, top secret, he should remember having them or not. It's not an excuse that since you handle thousands, it's OK to have a few lying around.",
">\n\nExcept Biden handed off those documents to 3-4 people in the chain of command. Assistants and interns handle them. Sure, its probably professional negligence, but it's not \"failing memory\" or malicious intent. Biden shouldn't 'step down' over this. At the most, we should pass laws requiring better handling of documents. \n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore\n\nWhat? He's done his job just fine. I heard that talking point when worldwide inflation hit hard, and the student debt thing early on. Progressives thought everything could be fixed by executive order.",
">\n\nEven if it's professional negligence, it still doesn't look good. There's no real good way of looking at this for him. It's either 1. Negligence, 2. Ignorance, 3. Forgetfulness, 4. Malicious intent or some combination. In all cases, Republicans are going to take advantage of this for the next 2 years like they did with Hillary. The special counsel is going to take 1-2 years to do their investigation. So all this will certainly carry into 2024 elections. Honestly, what do you think is the best course for him and the Democrats at this point? Play defensive and hope it doesn't affect 2024 or him resigning and giving some fresh blood a chance?",
">\n\nI've heard all that when Biden stepped in to cancel the rail strike, and the gas prices, and Hunter's dick pics, and the Afghanistan pullout. And even when Biden fell because of his dog, Republicans were saying he should be declared unfit for office. They want to impeach Biden for inflation, but then they vote against bills to fight inflation. It's so they can campaign on it and saying \"look, the Democrats are doing NOTHING!\" Trust me, no Democratic President will be immune to \"bad optics\". \nEven Harris would be scrutinized for being a lame duck, or the surge in immigration, or her past with jailing black people. She is even less popular than Dick Cheney. So you can bet that once she becomes President and starts doing things- just anything- then the Republicans will fight back.",
">\n\nSend all of them to jail and then start looking into bringing them up on war crime charges. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, I don't care. Accountability should start sometime, why not now?!",
">\n\nGood. We need to find out to make sure this never happens again."
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It's more likely Biden gets impeached and removed for this than Trump is to ever be charged.
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.",
">\n\nCan't pardon if there's no crime",
">\n\nNo crime yet....It's probably just an old man with a failing memory. I'm a Democrat, but Biden's age and his memory worries me. I'll honestly feel better with Harris in charge.",
">\n\nHow was Biden's memory \"failing\" if the documents were found by his team, when no one was looking for them for 6 years? Was Biden supposed to have photographic memory for handling thousands of documents?",
">\n\nIf they are classified, top secret, he should remember having them or not. It's not an excuse that since you handle thousands, it's OK to have a few lying around.",
">\n\nExcept Biden handed off those documents to 3-4 people in the chain of command. Assistants and interns handle them. Sure, its probably professional negligence, but it's not \"failing memory\" or malicious intent. Biden shouldn't 'step down' over this. At the most, we should pass laws requiring better handling of documents. \n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore\n\nWhat? He's done his job just fine. I heard that talking point when worldwide inflation hit hard, and the student debt thing early on. Progressives thought everything could be fixed by executive order.",
">\n\nEven if it's professional negligence, it still doesn't look good. There's no real good way of looking at this for him. It's either 1. Negligence, 2. Ignorance, 3. Forgetfulness, 4. Malicious intent or some combination. In all cases, Republicans are going to take advantage of this for the next 2 years like they did with Hillary. The special counsel is going to take 1-2 years to do their investigation. So all this will certainly carry into 2024 elections. Honestly, what do you think is the best course for him and the Democrats at this point? Play defensive and hope it doesn't affect 2024 or him resigning and giving some fresh blood a chance?",
">\n\nI've heard all that when Biden stepped in to cancel the rail strike, and the gas prices, and Hunter's dick pics, and the Afghanistan pullout. And even when Biden fell because of his dog, Republicans were saying he should be declared unfit for office. They want to impeach Biden for inflation, but then they vote against bills to fight inflation. It's so they can campaign on it and saying \"look, the Democrats are doing NOTHING!\" Trust me, no Democratic President will be immune to \"bad optics\". \nEven Harris would be scrutinized for being a lame duck, or the surge in immigration, or her past with jailing black people. She is even less popular than Dick Cheney. So you can bet that once she becomes President and starts doing things- just anything- then the Republicans will fight back.",
">\n\nSend all of them to jail and then start looking into bringing them up on war crime charges. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, I don't care. Accountability should start sometime, why not now?!",
">\n\nGood. We need to find out to make sure this never happens again.",
">\n\nMy guess is that nothing will come from this special council."
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"Someone needs to visit Pence, Bush, Obama, Dick Cheney's homes and check for documents.",
">\n\nWhy let Carter off the hook so easy? Could be Top Secret peanut farming related documents",
">\n\nYou should probably look into Dan Quayle too. We know he's got some kind of top secret reports on potatoes",
">\n\n*potatos",
">\n\nIt's part of the joke...",
">\n\nPotatoes is the correct spelling of the plural.",
">\n\nPerhaps we should use potato in the singular by saying “potatoe commodities” or something",
">\n\nWait. Couldn't Obama have declassified them by thinking about it?",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure he could",
">\n\nI’m starting to think that many past presidents likely have some number of classified documents in their office or in their home.\nThe difference, however, is that Biden found the documents and turned them into the national archives. Then he found more in his house. He turned those in as well. And as far as we know, he only had a few. Trump had hundreds of classified documents spread across dozens of boxes and fought giving them back to the archives when requested. He ignored subpoenas. He did not cooperate and broke the law.",
">\n\nNobody seems to be mention that Biden is the acting President right now\niirc executive privilege was basically Trump's whole defense",
">\n\nWhile I think that this specific issue is wildly overblown, it's important to note that Biden wouldn't have had the security clearance to have those documents in his possession from 2016-2021. So it would've definitely been a security infraction at the time.\nOf course Biden forgetting to return these documents still isn't comparable to Trump intentionally stealing documents and obstructing the US government from retrieving them when they asked for those documents back.",
">\n\nWhere is your proof he forgot to return the documents as opposed to intentionally taking them?",
">\n\nThe fact that he turned them over as soon as he found them, rather than trying to hide them, would seem to be evidence that it was not deliberate.",
">\n\nBiden had no part in returning the documents. He has stated that he found out they were returned after the fact.",
">\n\nThe first documents were found and turned over by his staff. Biden found out about that after the fact. The subsequent documents were found and turned over by his staff, after they conducted a search ordered by...?",
">\n\nNo one knows when they were found or if Biden knew about them. All we know is at some point his lawyers turned them in when it was clear no one was looking for them. \nTotally possible he forgot about them, they were secured since he received them, and his lawyers stumbled upon them and immediately turned them over. No evidence yet against that. \nBut this is why a special counsel is warranted. We have no reason to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, giving him the benefit of the doubt sets precedent for fascists to abuse. \nIt's painfully clear what trump did was far and away worse than what Biden did. And it's not false equivalency to say this is worth investigating, and that any appropriate charges be taken to court.\nAnd on the level of realpolitik, as opposed to \"right vs wrong\" is that it will remove some of the more desperate arguments from trump's base /against/ trump facing charges for this shit. \nWhat Biden did, as it stands now, to me appears the equivalent of driving on pain medication vs trump possibly having hit someone while driving drunk and tried to get rid of the car at a scrapyard and acting like he isn't an alcoholic who habitually drives home from the bar and but maybe someone stole his car and hit a deer. \nHold Biden accountable. It'll make trump getting locked in a padded cell that much more delicious.",
">\n\nMan that's fast.",
">\n\nMerrick was able to line those ducks up really fast.",
">\n\nTerrible choice for AG, it's stupid to choose people Republicans will \"accept\" just to be bipartisan.",
">\n\nYeah I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing the \"appeasement\" strategy myself.",
">\n\nGood. No one is above the law. You know what we haven't seen? Biden railing and calling the Special Counsel names and whining that he's a Republican that hates him because he was nominated by Trump. \nI'm looking forward to everyone seeing the differences in temperament between these two men and the differences between these two cases becoming readily apparent.",
">\n\nNarrator: they wont",
">\n\nI mean, we're seeing it already through Biden's absolute silence. I guarantee we won't get weekly news updates about Biden trying to fire the Special Counsel.",
">\n\nI’m curious why they were there, but at the end of the day, Biden and his group turned them over as soon as they found them and have been cooperative. Trump fought them the whole way and purposely stole the documents. We’re talking hundreds as well which is way more than they found with Biden. Big difference.",
">\n\nMy best guess is extremely careless movers.",
">\n\nProbably not far from the truth. I mean, he was vice president at the time. Even after that, he’s got staffers and other people that move stuff around. He’s not doing that on his own. A lot of people that you have to trust when you’re in that position. Trump blatantly stole things and then tried to keep them.",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not sure why people are thinking that Biden himself had anything to do with what documents were moved. He has people who do that for him.",
">\n\nGeorge W. is scrambling.",
">\n\nHe disposed of it all on 9/11. /s",
">\n\nOr he rolled it up into joints.",
">\n\nI'm a Democrat who voted for Biden. This is good and he needs to be held accountable, same as any other President who was in office who has been caught in the same situation. Classified documents need to be kept in the respectful, safe, secure places.",
">\n\nGood! Now we can see the difference between how the two act lmao, this is how democracy works.",
">\n\nObama just needs to come out and say he retroactively declassified them so it’s totally cool.\nHe’d wipe out half the GOP with heart attacks.",
">\n\nWhy was it only two weeks to investigate this situation and 2 years to investigate trumps? I am so sick of making excuses f o r the delay in prosecuting trump. C'mon Garland.",
">\n\nHonestly I feel like the repubs are playing right into the dems hands with this one. Any investigation is sure to absolve Biden of malicious intent. It will be seen as a simple mistake. While at the same time throwing the spotlight on Trump and his lies about what he had and when and why. On top of that once the final report done by an sc comes out the dems can hold it up any time a repub cries because one of their own is being investigated for any issue. \nI would love to see Biden sign an EO that gives MORE power to investigate ANYONE caught with classified documents. That would truly make repub heads explode.",
">\n\nI hope you're right but I don't have nearly enough faith in the publics ability to understand nuance or the media's ability not to both-sides this thing to death.\nI hope this is fully investigated and Biden cooperates fully and let the chips fall where they may but I'm concerned that the public won't care either way.",
">\n\nWhat's funny is that if you go over to /r conservative they can sense that something is off about this. \nBut foolishly they seem to think it's a set up to oust Biden so that Harries can be POTUS. lol",
">\n\nEvery US citizen is now entitled to one classified document. The documents cannot be sold or traded and must be kept in a room surrounded by boxes of old Christmas decorations. It's the only fair way to resolve this mess.",
">\n\nOoo! Can I get the nuclear launch codes! I am 100% sure I am safer than half the other guys we elected.",
">\n\nDibs on the Master_Passwords.xlx spreadsheet I know the government employees use.",
">\n\nJoke's on you: it's all \"Password1\" and \"12345.\"",
">\n\nHey, that's the same as my luggage!",
">\n\nI bet Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, Obama and Pence are quite busy combing through boxes right now",
">\n\nFascinating to watch successful propaganda in real time. The constant flood of the same story has turned so many people that originally said “Biden didn’t do anything wrong” into Biden is a fool and has ruined the Democratic Party” in just a couple days.\nListen, this bears investigation. Here’s what we know so far: Biden’s attorneys found classified documents from when Biden was VP in locations they should not have been. They turned them in.\nThat’s all we know. It should be investigated, as should any classified documents found where they shouldn’t be. \nDid Biden personally take these and intentionally hold them for any reason, nefarious or not? We don’t know.\nDid Biden tell a staffer in 2017 to return these and the staffer dropped the ball? We don’t know. \nWas Biden even supposed to have these documents where they were found? We don’t know. We don’t even know if they were SCIF documents or something else.\nIf Biden took SCIF documents away from their legally allowed location he should be prosecuted. But we don’t know any of that yet.\nHow is this different from Trump’s Mar a Lago documents? By admission Trump not only took the documents that we know were SCIF but also refused to return them when asked and, in fact, had attorneys sign documents saying there were no more when he knew there were. That’s criminal.\nProsecute crimes the same way for everyone. But stop thinking that repeated stories make them any more true or nefarious just be cause they’re being repeated.",
">\n\nWow. No.",
">\n\nNo, I mean no as in “you can’t possibly believe that a basic storage room in a private citizens’ house/hotel is a SCIF, can you?”",
">\n\nMar-A-Lago had official SCIF designation in the past. That much has been confirmed per reliable reporting (see article).\nBiden’s locations in question could not have ever had that designation. His garage couldn’t, and the think tank that was opened several years after his exit from office couldn’t.",
">\n\n\nin the past\n\nSo no. Thanks. And Mar A Lago didn’t have it, a specifically set up controlled room may have, but temporary means temporary.",
">\n\nThe DOJ couldnt say they investigated their boss and found no crimes without looking like they were protecting him. They needed a special counsel to say it for them",
">\n\nYes... this is the way it's always been...",
">\n\nAs long as they indict Trump for something I don't care.",
">\n\n“They are gonna get him this time……”",
">\n\nFor those struggling with the concept that the FBI raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago but not Biden’s residence, the act of forgetting to return top-secret documents is negligent. It is not a crime if you return them as soon as you realize you have them. \nThe crime is knowingly taking, concealing, lying about and refusing to return the top-secret documents as Trump did. Another example is when Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s former national security adviser, sneaked top secret documents out of the National Archives in his socks. Yes, in his socks. He knew he was doing something illegal, he tried to conceal it, pled guilty, and resigned as a policy adviser to Democratic presidential contender John Kerry. \nShould President Biden be held to the same standard as former presidents? Yes, of course. Are these two cases equivalent? Not even in the same universe.",
">\n\nI'm amazed at how poorly classified documents are controlled. Seems every paper copy should get a unique serial number, inventoried and be issued to a specific individual who is held responsible for its control. Those copies would have to be returned for shredding and record clearance.",
">\n\nThat sure was fast when it was a democrat compared with a Republican... Almost like, Garland's a piece of shit",
">\n\nIt's political cover for Jack Smith",
">\n\nThink you've nailed it. It's certainly going to be a positive as we see both investigations pan out.",
">\n\nGood pick.",
">\n\nHow would you know Biden's intent? You seriously think Biden hasn't been involved in corrupt activities? Just because Trump is worse doesn't mean Biden can do no wrong.",
">\n\nIt's kind of hysterical that all this noise from the GOP, and Fox News, makes this all into a bigger headline, because they're making it into a hysterical argument that stealing hundreds and hundreds of pages of classified information, knowingly taking it from the White House, and lying about having it, IS THE EQUIVALENT, to a dozen or pagea of classified material being placed in then Vice President Biden's documents.\nLike, one guy literally took national secrets home with him 2 days before he was set to leave office, the other guy, nobody knew it was even there till his team contacted the DOJ / Archives to tell them it was there.\nThis victim complex the GOP cries to its supporters about is just so pathetic at this point.",
">\n\nGood! Do it.\nNo one should oppose it. How did sensitive documents end up in a garage?",
">\n\nThis proves that Garland is exquisitely sensitive to (Republican) public opinion, which proves to me that he will never indict Trump.",
">\n\nAppointing a special council to investigate this is designed to preserve the perceived integrity of the special council investigating trump. If anything, the move should leave you more inclined to expect an indictment.",
">\n\nSomeone that worried about perception does not give me confidence that they will do the right thing when the time comes.",
">\n\nIt's called politics. The perception of legitimacy is an important aspect of any investigation, much less an investigation into a former president. It's not a flaw to understand that.",
">\n\nBiden is the elected politician. It is his job to worry about perception. Garland was hired to help Biden execute the law of the land. It is pretty clear to almost everybody, who broke the law here and who didn't.\nSeems like Garland is confused about roles-and-responsibilities. He should pull out his job description.\nI was a Project Manager for a lot of years. The biggest problem was when an eager team member worried about things that were other team member's responsibility. They stepped on other people's toes. That only ended when the eager team member was slapped (figuratively).\nGarland needs to do his f'ing job.",
">\n\nThis is the right decision. You can't demand accountability for Trump and the GOP but balk at the prospect at it being applied to Biden and Democrats.",
">\n\nI think what most people struggle with here is the comparison in itself to the FBI raid on Frump's golf resort.\nOn one instance, you had a guy walk out with hundreds of classified to top secret documents, some relating to US nuclear secrets, within 2 days of losing this privilege to these documents, and spending a year and half obstructing their return to the National Archives, signing sworn statements that the documents the FBI would recover there weren't there.\nIn the other, you have pages of documents the archives didn't know existed outside, being given back to the archives when found, and when there was an extensive for those more of thoae documents, there was no hesitation to return those documents.\nIf President Biden was an equivalent to Frump here, we would have never heard about these documents. There would be NO story, NO investigation, NO news. But, rather than a fireplace, a paper shredder or his toilet, these items were returned to the US government by President Biden's team.\nThere's a very thin-line connecting these stories, but the way its being covered is hysterically stupid. And that's where my issue with it is.",
">\n\nOh sure, I more or less agree with all of this. My comment was directly primarily at the lunatics seriously claiming that republicans broke into Biden's garage and planted documents.",
">\n\nGood, I hope Biden continues to cooperate. We should figure out where security is lacking that this can happen and fix it.",
">\n\nGood. This shit needs to stop.",
">\n\nI have zero problems with this",
">\n\nSearch his many houses and properties to see what else this big ol dummy is up to. They're all corrupt!",
">\n\nThis whole story feels convenient - though I'm not sure for whom. Obviously, this is speculation, and take it with a massive grain of salt. But couldn't the Dems set this up so that the GOP/Fox, etc. start chanting for prosecution and prison for Biden, only to have him be exonerated? Conversely, this could be a hit job by the GOP in retaliation for the Trump scandal / RAID. The timing of the story just seems weird.\nObviously, door #3 is that Biden's team recognized the documents were there and did the right thing and alerted the Archives at the same moment Trump is being investigated for improperly handling hundreds of classified documents and it is all just a coincidence.",
">\n\nWaiting for Biden to say “good thing my predecessor argued a sitting president can’t be charged with a crime or else this might suck!”",
">\n\nYou know it's going to be fun if they convict Biden which they're very very likely won't because the Democrats control the Senate but if they do we'll have President Kamala Harris!",
">\n\nHowcome things are moving so quickly for Biden? Where as for Trump it's moving at a snails pace?",
">\n\nThe more I'm on reddit the better I feel the majority of us aren't going to do anything important.",
">\n\nDid he hide them in the Cabana?",
">\n\nHa... now all we need is for Kamala to be implicated so they both get locked up and BAM! Hello President McCarthy! /s",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nOkay so real talk. What do people think on the matter? The first location I would’ve understood as being an accident but to have found more scattered throughout two other locations is kinda weird? \nI feel like this tanks any re-election hope Biden might’ve had. How will he look if he’s running for re-election while being under investigation?\nEdit: don’t get why I’m being downvoted..I like the guy but I just wanna get peoples opinions on the matter.",
">\n\nI don’t know why but something about the timing of this feels so weirdly suspicious to me. Days after the republicans take the house vowing to start all kinds of phony investigations…it just feels really dodgy. I feel ridiculous even thinking that but after the last minute Hilary E-mails scandal and the last minute Hunter Biden laptop thing, it feels like the republicans have been playing a lot of games. I don’t know anything, but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised at this point if those documents wouldn’t be planted, I have so little trust in the republicans to play fair anymore. That said: If Biden did take some documents home (as seems to be the implication here) I think he should be investigated for it. I think we should hold all our public servants to the same standard. I’m not personally as bothered by the current allegations as I was by Trump’s, particularly because Trump was so uncooperative and still currently is known to have had documents which are unaccounted for and some which were copied…the latter bit being particularly suspicious to me. Also the nature of the documents could be wildly different, we just don’t know. All I know is the optics are bad because the average American probably doesn’t understand the difference between a couple documents being found in Biden’s personal residence and filing boxes of nuclear secrets being found in a few locations around Trump properties.",
">\n\nDon’t feel weird, I feel the same. It’s soooo convenient, no? I am trying hard to throw this feeling off but it keeps coming back to nag me…",
">\n\nI have the same feeling too. Did he have a secret service detail once he was out of office?\n\nedit: looks like Vice Presidents do for six months after office.",
">\n\nFunny how fast a special council was named for this when it took literal months, if not a year or more, to get that for Trump.",
">\n\nWell there goes any chance of Trump being prosecuted.",
">\n\nWhile it certainly doesn't sound as serious from a security standpoint as Trump's stash it's still both disappointing and alarming, and raises the question \"who the hell else has classified documents stashed away in their personal office?\". Also no matter how serious Biden's documents are versus Trump's, It would now be a political disaster for the DOJ to go after one more than the other. And since they're likely not going to nail Biden for his, it means Trump is gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.\nIt sounds like on the whole, the government just isn't very responsible with its classified documents.",
">\n\nYeah, it's just crazy to me that they don't keep better track of classified documents.",
">\n\nSomehow, this saga will translate into \"Trump is really in trouble now\" for the classic r/politics redditor. I think we've all known since Hillary's slap on the wrist that mishandling state secrets for the political class was the akin to late library books.",
">\n\nThis just gets worse and worse. What was revealed today was that the White House lawyers already knew about the documents found at his house when they announced the documents found at the office.\nThis thing is going to just explode in every direction now. This is a political disaster.\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans. Even though these docs may very well be unimportant memos with no top secret SCI information, the republicans have no sense of moral equivalence and this will turn into a crusade of religious proportions.\nWe had the moral high ground of doing the right thing, immediately revealing to the DOJ and the public that documents had been found, in contrast to what Trump had done. But it won’t matter now, the White House was just caught misleading the public and trying to sweep this under the rug and there’s going to be political hell to be paid. This will be the Benghazi of the next two years, and will completely overshadow the GOPs obsession with Hunter’s dick pics.",
">\n\n\nThere’s nothing that can be said now that will satisfy republicans.\n\nThere wasnt anyway. Thats just where we are now.",
">\n\nGood. F 'em all. Especially orange",
">\n\nThere got to be a register for documents and someone that make sure these documents are returned when someone leave office...",
">\n\nGood.",
">\n\nWhat will make this even more terrifying than this is that it might actually impeach and convict Biden, maybe even place Donald Trump back into power. Unlike the past two times Trump was impeached yet never convicted. Because our system is that much rigged against poor people and minorities, for the benefit of the elite and only the elite.",
">\n\nIt’s obviously different to how Trump handled it but this basically gets Trump off the hook. The DoJ is not going to prosecute a former president for having classified documents in his private residence (even those he refused to give back) while the sitting president, and former VP also had classified docs in his private residence, which he didn’t have clearance to have at the relevant time. \nI’d be more than happy to be proven wrong but watch Republicans and Trump use this to sway the court of public opinion and diminish chances of an indictment on that issue. He’ll wriggle free again.",
">\n\nI don't think the DOJ was ever going to indict Trump for having possession of the classified documents (unless they can prove that he was selling them or something like that). Trump's legal exposure is all due to him refusing to return the documents when required. Even to the point of having one of his attorneys sign an affidavit stating that all classified materials had been returned. The cover-up, not the crime, is where Trump is in trouble",
">\n\nLook on the bright side: if Biden somehow gets removed from Office due to this scandal then we get our first Woman of Color as President, and then every Republican’s head will simultaneously explode like the Martians in Mars Attacks!",
">\n\nSuch a waste of taxpayer's money.",
">\n\nIdontgiveashit.gif",
">\n\nHe is just as careless as Trump. Makes one wonder if other Presidents have taken Top Secret documents home and what has happened to them.",
">\n\nClassified, not top secret for Biden, and trump lied about having them, whereas Biden informed the proper channels that he had them when they were found. The DOJ waiting for the midterms to happen is the only big red flag for Biden. Both are bad looks, but not exactly the same.\ne: I guess Biden may have had some top secret folders as well…",
">\n\nDOJ doesn't comment on ongoing investigations, and even if they did have something to say it's DOJ policy to not comment during election season.",
">\n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore, and this will give him the excuse to step down. Harris will then pardon him. It's all part of the plan.",
">\n\nCan't pardon if there's no crime",
">\n\nNo crime yet....It's probably just an old man with a failing memory. I'm a Democrat, but Biden's age and his memory worries me. I'll honestly feel better with Harris in charge.",
">\n\nHow was Biden's memory \"failing\" if the documents were found by his team, when no one was looking for them for 6 years? Was Biden supposed to have photographic memory for handling thousands of documents?",
">\n\nIf they are classified, top secret, he should remember having them or not. It's not an excuse that since you handle thousands, it's OK to have a few lying around.",
">\n\nExcept Biden handed off those documents to 3-4 people in the chain of command. Assistants and interns handle them. Sure, its probably professional negligence, but it's not \"failing memory\" or malicious intent. Biden shouldn't 'step down' over this. At the most, we should pass laws requiring better handling of documents. \n\nBiden probably realized he's not able to do the job anymore\n\nWhat? He's done his job just fine. I heard that talking point when worldwide inflation hit hard, and the student debt thing early on. Progressives thought everything could be fixed by executive order.",
">\n\nEven if it's professional negligence, it still doesn't look good. There's no real good way of looking at this for him. It's either 1. Negligence, 2. Ignorance, 3. Forgetfulness, 4. Malicious intent or some combination. In all cases, Republicans are going to take advantage of this for the next 2 years like they did with Hillary. The special counsel is going to take 1-2 years to do their investigation. So all this will certainly carry into 2024 elections. Honestly, what do you think is the best course for him and the Democrats at this point? Play defensive and hope it doesn't affect 2024 or him resigning and giving some fresh blood a chance?",
">\n\nI've heard all that when Biden stepped in to cancel the rail strike, and the gas prices, and Hunter's dick pics, and the Afghanistan pullout. And even when Biden fell because of his dog, Republicans were saying he should be declared unfit for office. They want to impeach Biden for inflation, but then they vote against bills to fight inflation. It's so they can campaign on it and saying \"look, the Democrats are doing NOTHING!\" Trust me, no Democratic President will be immune to \"bad optics\". \nEven Harris would be scrutinized for being a lame duck, or the surge in immigration, or her past with jailing black people. She is even less popular than Dick Cheney. So you can bet that once she becomes President and starts doing things- just anything- then the Republicans will fight back.",
">\n\nSend all of them to jail and then start looking into bringing them up on war crime charges. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, I don't care. Accountability should start sometime, why not now?!",
">\n\nGood. We need to find out to make sure this never happens again.",
">\n\nMy guess is that nothing will come from this special council.",
">\n\nIt's more likely Biden gets impeached and removed for this than Trump is to ever be charged."
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This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦
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Some people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.
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right, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.
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"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions."
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Our country is fucked lol
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"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led."
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I think we're okay. The house doesn't have any real power. People will see that the Republicans could care less about governing while the Dems stay in lock step opposition in both their House caucus and the Senate (minus the assholes we all know). I don't think this is going to be the win Republicans think it is. Just another nail in the coffin of moral decay and Party death. Let's Go Dark Brandon!
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"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.",
">\n\nOur country is fucked lol"
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They can basically shut down the government.
That's all. You know, basically just fuck everyone over cause they refuse to govern.
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"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.",
">\n\nOur country is fucked lol",
">\n\nI think we're okay. The house doesn't have any real power. People will see that the Republicans could care less about governing while the Dems stay in lock step opposition in both their House caucus and the Senate (minus the assholes we all know). I don't think this is going to be the win Republicans think it is. Just another nail in the coffin of moral decay and Party death. Let's Go Dark Brandon!"
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I don't think they will, though. I think they'll try, but when their constituents find out they're not gonna get their disability checks, SSI or other government "socialist" payments, they'll back down.
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"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.",
">\n\nOur country is fucked lol",
">\n\nI think we're okay. The house doesn't have any real power. People will see that the Republicans could care less about governing while the Dems stay in lock step opposition in both their House caucus and the Senate (minus the assholes we all know). I don't think this is going to be the win Republicans think it is. Just another nail in the coffin of moral decay and Party death. Let's Go Dark Brandon!",
">\n\nThey can basically shut down the government.\nThat's all. You know, basically just fuck everyone over cause they refuse to govern."
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I admire your optimism, but republicans have shut down the government several times already.
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"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.",
">\n\nOur country is fucked lol",
">\n\nI think we're okay. The house doesn't have any real power. People will see that the Republicans could care less about governing while the Dems stay in lock step opposition in both their House caucus and the Senate (minus the assholes we all know). I don't think this is going to be the win Republicans think it is. Just another nail in the coffin of moral decay and Party death. Let's Go Dark Brandon!",
">\n\nThey can basically shut down the government.\nThat's all. You know, basically just fuck everyone over cause they refuse to govern.",
">\n\nI don't think they will, though. I think they'll try, but when their constituents find out they're not gonna get their disability checks, SSI or other government \"socialist\" payments, they'll back down."
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Right, and now they're held hostage by people who absolutely wanted to decapitate the government.
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"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.",
">\n\nOur country is fucked lol",
">\n\nI think we're okay. The house doesn't have any real power. People will see that the Republicans could care less about governing while the Dems stay in lock step opposition in both their House caucus and the Senate (minus the assholes we all know). I don't think this is going to be the win Republicans think it is. Just another nail in the coffin of moral decay and Party death. Let's Go Dark Brandon!",
">\n\nThey can basically shut down the government.\nThat's all. You know, basically just fuck everyone over cause they refuse to govern.",
">\n\nI don't think they will, though. I think they'll try, but when their constituents find out they're not gonna get their disability checks, SSI or other government \"socialist\" payments, they'll back down.",
">\n\nI admire your optimism, but republicans have shut down the government several times already."
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Anyone surprised?
The election deniers are the Republicans with gravitas within their party. They use McCarthy as a door mat when they enter the Capitol, and McCarthy responds with thank you, sir/ma'am, may I have another?
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"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.",
">\n\nOur country is fucked lol",
">\n\nI think we're okay. The house doesn't have any real power. People will see that the Republicans could care less about governing while the Dems stay in lock step opposition in both their House caucus and the Senate (minus the assholes we all know). I don't think this is going to be the win Republicans think it is. Just another nail in the coffin of moral decay and Party death. Let's Go Dark Brandon!",
">\n\nThey can basically shut down the government.\nThat's all. You know, basically just fuck everyone over cause they refuse to govern.",
">\n\nI don't think they will, though. I think they'll try, but when their constituents find out they're not gonna get their disability checks, SSI or other government \"socialist\" payments, they'll back down.",
">\n\nI admire your optimism, but republicans have shut down the government several times already.",
">\n\nRight, and now they're held hostage by people who absolutely wanted to decapitate the government."
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…and the coup continues
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"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.",
">\n\nOur country is fucked lol",
">\n\nI think we're okay. The house doesn't have any real power. People will see that the Republicans could care less about governing while the Dems stay in lock step opposition in both their House caucus and the Senate (minus the assholes we all know). I don't think this is going to be the win Republicans think it is. Just another nail in the coffin of moral decay and Party death. Let's Go Dark Brandon!",
">\n\nThey can basically shut down the government.\nThat's all. You know, basically just fuck everyone over cause they refuse to govern.",
">\n\nI don't think they will, though. I think they'll try, but when their constituents find out they're not gonna get their disability checks, SSI or other government \"socialist\" payments, they'll back down.",
">\n\nI admire your optimism, but republicans have shut down the government several times already.",
">\n\nRight, and now they're held hostage by people who absolutely wanted to decapitate the government.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?\nThe election deniers are the Republicans with gravitas within their party. They use McCarthy as a door mat when they enter the Capitol, and McCarthy responds with thank you, sir/ma'am, may I have another?"
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Traitor enablers reign. This is the current state of the GOP.
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"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.",
">\n\nOur country is fucked lol",
">\n\nI think we're okay. The house doesn't have any real power. People will see that the Republicans could care less about governing while the Dems stay in lock step opposition in both their House caucus and the Senate (minus the assholes we all know). I don't think this is going to be the win Republicans think it is. Just another nail in the coffin of moral decay and Party death. Let's Go Dark Brandon!",
">\n\nThey can basically shut down the government.\nThat's all. You know, basically just fuck everyone over cause they refuse to govern.",
">\n\nI don't think they will, though. I think they'll try, but when their constituents find out they're not gonna get their disability checks, SSI or other government \"socialist\" payments, they'll back down.",
">\n\nI admire your optimism, but republicans have shut down the government several times already.",
">\n\nRight, and now they're held hostage by people who absolutely wanted to decapitate the government.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?\nThe election deniers are the Republicans with gravitas within their party. They use McCarthy as a door mat when they enter the Capitol, and McCarthy responds with thank you, sir/ma'am, may I have another?",
">\n\n…and the coup continues"
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It's hilarious that McCarthy thinks he has any actual power
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"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.",
">\n\nOur country is fucked lol",
">\n\nI think we're okay. The house doesn't have any real power. People will see that the Republicans could care less about governing while the Dems stay in lock step opposition in both their House caucus and the Senate (minus the assholes we all know). I don't think this is going to be the win Republicans think it is. Just another nail in the coffin of moral decay and Party death. Let's Go Dark Brandon!",
">\n\nThey can basically shut down the government.\nThat's all. You know, basically just fuck everyone over cause they refuse to govern.",
">\n\nI don't think they will, though. I think they'll try, but when their constituents find out they're not gonna get their disability checks, SSI or other government \"socialist\" payments, they'll back down.",
">\n\nI admire your optimism, but republicans have shut down the government several times already.",
">\n\nRight, and now they're held hostage by people who absolutely wanted to decapitate the government.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?\nThe election deniers are the Republicans with gravitas within their party. They use McCarthy as a door mat when they enter the Capitol, and McCarthy responds with thank you, sir/ma'am, may I have another?",
">\n\n…and the coup continues",
">\n\nTraitor enablers reign. This is the current state of the GOP."
] |
>
I think hes going to learn over the coming weeks that he doesnt. Its going to be painful.
|
[
"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.",
">\n\nOur country is fucked lol",
">\n\nI think we're okay. The house doesn't have any real power. People will see that the Republicans could care less about governing while the Dems stay in lock step opposition in both their House caucus and the Senate (minus the assholes we all know). I don't think this is going to be the win Republicans think it is. Just another nail in the coffin of moral decay and Party death. Let's Go Dark Brandon!",
">\n\nThey can basically shut down the government.\nThat's all. You know, basically just fuck everyone over cause they refuse to govern.",
">\n\nI don't think they will, though. I think they'll try, but when their constituents find out they're not gonna get their disability checks, SSI or other government \"socialist\" payments, they'll back down.",
">\n\nI admire your optimism, but republicans have shut down the government several times already.",
">\n\nRight, and now they're held hostage by people who absolutely wanted to decapitate the government.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?\nThe election deniers are the Republicans with gravitas within their party. They use McCarthy as a door mat when they enter the Capitol, and McCarthy responds with thank you, sir/ma'am, may I have another?",
">\n\n…and the coup continues",
">\n\nTraitor enablers reign. This is the current state of the GOP.",
">\n\nIt's hilarious that McCarthy thinks he has any actual power"
] |
>
We are in a slow coup.
|
[
"This is what happens when your populous is wildly undereducated in civics. 🤦",
">\n\nSome people will stay undereducated no matter what. Most though should be considered undereducated as a result of domestic enemy actions.",
">\n\nright, this is more about how democracy in America has been cornered by various forces to yield participation points to the least educated, but the most vocal and easily led.",
">\n\nOur country is fucked lol",
">\n\nI think we're okay. The house doesn't have any real power. People will see that the Republicans could care less about governing while the Dems stay in lock step opposition in both their House caucus and the Senate (minus the assholes we all know). I don't think this is going to be the win Republicans think it is. Just another nail in the coffin of moral decay and Party death. Let's Go Dark Brandon!",
">\n\nThey can basically shut down the government.\nThat's all. You know, basically just fuck everyone over cause they refuse to govern.",
">\n\nI don't think they will, though. I think they'll try, but when their constituents find out they're not gonna get their disability checks, SSI or other government \"socialist\" payments, they'll back down.",
">\n\nI admire your optimism, but republicans have shut down the government several times already.",
">\n\nRight, and now they're held hostage by people who absolutely wanted to decapitate the government.",
">\n\nAnyone surprised?\nThe election deniers are the Republicans with gravitas within their party. They use McCarthy as a door mat when they enter the Capitol, and McCarthy responds with thank you, sir/ma'am, may I have another?",
">\n\n…and the coup continues",
">\n\nTraitor enablers reign. This is the current state of the GOP.",
">\n\nIt's hilarious that McCarthy thinks he has any actual power",
">\n\nI think hes going to learn over the coming weeks that he doesnt. Its going to be painful."
] |
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