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(D) Senator Barack Hussein Obama's public score is on the record. In 2006 he voted against the confirmation of two Bush appointees..... Alito and Roberts. Let's see if he can swallow his own medicine.
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"If any of us ordinary folk came to work and refused to do our designated jobs, we’d be fired on the spot for willful insubordination. " These are all government employees, like schoolteachers, police officers etc. You know the ones who go on paid administrative leave after they are arrested for crimes and continue to get paid until they are found guilty or plead guilty. George Orwell: "Some Animals are More Equal than other Animals." How dare you expect government employees like Senators and Members of Congress to be treated like 'ordinary folk'?
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well the level of just common respect shows the bundy-ites to be a lot like transients. take over a space where you are not wanted, squat in it like you're a neanderthal in a cave (i'll bet THEY knew not to poop too close to camp), and leave a mess behind because...respect what? ++++the explosives that were found are pretty incriminating and changes the whole ball game and should they find booby traps? I hope each and every one of the bundy-ites is looking at a life with no parole sentence. explosions kill randomly - maybe a particular area but anyone around it is gone. these folks want to send out a message? let them - pull this kind of bull and you will pay ...for life in a very samll place with very mean people.
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I like Stefan Strek's approach. We've allowed almost every underpass on our bikeways to be taken over by intoxicated, often aggressive, panhandlers. They block the road and one must ask permission to pass. Is it any wonder that we have lost 37% of our cycling community (maybe more; the data only goes to 2014). Vinus, Clark and maybe Cassidy appear to be calling for more of the same: housing ONLY. A true housing first includes those next steps of substance abuse treatment and job training. No wonder we've got homeless people coming from far and wide to "visit" Eugene. We provide free food, very little to no enforcement of illegal camping violations (that foul our river), no enforcement of our no-drinking in public laws, free needles, free laundry, free clothes and even heated spaces if the temperature drops. It would be cheaper and more effective for the city to buy the Sheriff's Forest Work Camp and convert it into a drug treatment center. We could even sentence people to treatment.
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well you know it was so sudden and unexpected...
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Cooking 101: Sauce. "'Sauce' for the goose" I know!! Trivia at its finest.
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But not paying a million dollars in grazing fees, not that speaks volumes.
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depends. I saw a chiro and they adjusted my upper back and then gave me therepies. not all chiros are crazy "oh your leg is .5% out of alignment come to me twice a week for 100$ a visit" types
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The word was enabling, not encouraging. However, stopping your car to engage a panhandler and offering him or her an amount that made you feel really good about yourself might also encourage that person to stop panhandling, at least for the day. A win-win all around, having satisfied each other's quota. There are plenty of traffic laws that merit more attention, starting with the concept of a stop sign as something other than a mere suggestion. Keeping pedestrians out of traffic areas where they don't belong -- obstructing a bike lane, for instance -- is as good an idea as keeping motorists off their phones. Funny that you would make a hierarchical distinction between a stranded motorist and a stranded soul as to which is worthy of going the extra mile to assist. Perhaps that reveals a more honest level of compassion. Thanks for the insight.
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or "Democrat" "Libwinger" or ""lefties"?
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Haven't seen where the fine $ will go. Hope it goes to Food for Lane County or some other charity.
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The Feds cannot possibly know what information is actually in the phone, which is why they are asking Apple to break into it. This is just a fishing expedition and sets a very, very bad precedent. Apple is entirely correct to resist the order and should be supported by all who are concerned about privacy, personal security and government overreach.
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again with blaming the landlords for the homeless population. You know PDX has one of the lowest rental housing vacancy rates in the nation? We're not putting people on the street, we're housing them. How exactly do you think this works? We raise rents and then keep our units empty for fun? We are housing residents of this city. Build more affordable housing, I applaud that effort, but don't pretend landlords are putting people on the street. Our entire business model is keeping people housed.
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I've never even noticed this place... but that damn fish/garden store has been an eyesore for years. It should be bulldozed.
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You have firsthand knowledge of the Bundy family finances? I know Ammon owns a truck maintenance company, how many trucks did "we" buy him?
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$530,000 worth.
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By your own argument, (D) Senator Barack Obama should have been fired or deprived of compensation back in 2006 for obstructing the confirmations of Alito and Roberts.
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I agree. The officer involved does not need to become a target of the Bundy-vidian militants and God help him if Fiore finds out who he is.
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I'm a Democrat but would vote for Mike without hesitation. I have known him for many years. He really cares about Eugene.
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I didn't love any of these carts, but have been to quite a few of them more than once. I know a ton of people in the neighborhood will complain about this departure (as well as the further squeeze this development will place on local parking), but I think more apartments are a good idea for this location. More apartments, in general, will ease the housing situation. Plus: I'm excited for a Green Zebra in SE (you know… eventually).
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I think this law should be compared to the courts prohibiting the release of the personal information of those who were involved in animal experiments at OHSU a few years back. When prohibiting release is clearly to prevent injury or worse by those who have more passion for a 'cause' than inhibitions, it is justified. I would oppose a blanket prohibition for police officers in fatal incidents, however. The public does have the right to know if this is the first or the fourth time an officer has used deadly physical force.
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Don't blame the owners of rental housing for rental rates in your city. If owners kept the rates low, the property would be converted to another use that does not include housing. Blame the city government and the Metro for the not expanding land use. Expanding homeless will only add to your tax burden for all of you that want to live in Portland. That is what liberals want to do.
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I think you used the word "encourage" in reference to having a conversation with a panhandler. "Stranded souls" (your term) are individuals who need very serious, often very expensive and very long term assistance....residential treatment for addicts and alcoholics; an assisted living placement for the developmentally disabled; housing and counseling/psychiatric care for the mentally ill; housing, medical and counseling support for PTSD afflicted Vets; housing and support for abused spouses and abused children, likely food vouchers and housing assistance for the underemployed; job training and placement services for the unemployed. etc etc. A "handout", a temporary place to camp, a temporary shelter such as the Eugene Mission are all short-term bandaids. Those "stranded souls", indeed, need us all to "go that extra mile." I can provide the emergency help to a stranded motorist and really make a difference. If I give a little to a panhandler, it helps a little....and I shall do it.
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If the last paragraph of the article is correct, there is already a mechanism for law enforcement agencies to withhold a name if there is fear of reprisal. Is this new law something different, and if so, how? I have no regard at all for the Malheur NWR occupiers, but I dislike legislation pushed through on a wave of public sentiment.
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He didn't buy a fleet of trucks. He started a truck repair business and hired many minority employees to work there. http://www.valetfleetservice.com/about-us.asp Now, back to the Bundy family finances. What is their net worth?
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Careful reading would show who introduced the word encourage into the conversation, thus saving you the trouble of thinking someone else did it. The good news is, even if the Springfield city council approves this ordinance, you'll still be able to give as much and as often as you wish to each and every panhandler you encounter when visiting that fair city. You'll just have to get out of your car to do it, or park and hail the stranded soul to approach your car. Should that inconvenience trump your quotient for compassion, you could always just throw the money on the ground and continue on your way, confident that your handout will be scooped up and save you the possible littering fine. By the way, those of us who don't live in Springfield really don't have any business telling those who do how to conduct theirs.
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Yes, Fiore might send the officer one of her Christmas cards that show her entire family, including the five-year-old, sporting firearms. Talk about passive-aggressive.
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"A new report suggests the opposite is true." Also common sense and the most basic laws of supply and demand. Ironically many of the people professing the greatest sympathy for displaced citizens and the homeless are the same people who advocate for highly restricting development and density.
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You know, Tim, I've read a lot of words in my life, lots of word combinations. I have never read the phrase, "assigning the nincompoopery". Good job.
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I'm disappointed in this piece. Christian Hill should have done a little research before publishing. Mike Clark has a dismal voting record on Council regarding homeless issues, voting against Bascom Village for example. The leopard does not changes its spots.
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You got me. Ammon has so many failed businesses, _and with his wife's political contributions and rental repo - he's probably blown through the $530K loan and is destitute.
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I hope they lost their cleaning deposit.
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I think the phrase was, "The goose got sauced and is taking a gander at the ganders, endangering that gender."
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While I am in agreement with the need to keep the officer and his/her family safe, this is not the way to do it. When police activities of any sort, let alone a shooting where someone dies, are allowed to be kept secret from public review, we risk abuse and tyranny. While it may seem prudent right now in this particular case, eventually a law like this in the hands of those who are entrusted with police power tends to become standard procedure. Once that happens abuse of the practice is certain to follow, and should it become widespread it becomes tyranny. It is a slippery slope. Anyone who becomes a police officer knows what they sign up for when they take the job. Since this kind of thing happens rarely, the officer's name should still be released, but the officer and family should be protected as needed by moving them somewhere secure until the threat is sufficiently reduced. Yes, it is inconvenient, but only to a few. Tyranny, however, affects everyone and is not easily undone.
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The grandest of ganders, whilst gandering yon, did cast his gaze the fair gender upon.
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I think Camosy needs to add one more tip. You are not your point of view.
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As long as this is being proposed, I suggest eliminating the "pass the boot" that fire fighters do. I see no difference in the "public safety and traffic flow issue" between pan handlers and firefighters who impede traffic, and also cause possibly even more safety issues due to the numbers of people wandering in traffic.
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I am not concerned about the "privacy, personal security" of these mass-murdering Mohammedan psychos. Who, don't forget, are =dead= anyway! Get some perspective here.
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Interesting. But since no one has ever been fined for refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding. I can't see how it wouldn't be.
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It almost looks like you're attempting to argue that raising rents is helping to house more people. Simple economics dictates low vacancy rates means that you can charge pretty much what you please because the majority of people will pay whatever they can to keep a roof over their heads. As long as there is a single no cause eviction in this city, ire at property owners is deserved.
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In the matter of the NRA and legislators, what exactly constitutes "meaningful legislation to stop the carnage?" Would Mr. Behnam oblige by being specific?
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"one house in particular puts out a kids at play yellow stand and garbage cans to discourage parking in front of their house." These people should be fined. The public right of way adjacent to the property you own is exactly that. Public.
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You get all the stars.
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The fine was the result of harassment the couple received after filing their complaint against the bakery who released their contact info to the public and began harassing them through social media. The bakery turned what could have been a slap on the wrist into a major libel suit.
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I am making no argument. I'm stating a fact that I house the same number of people I did 10 years ago. With the same number of units. You can put as much ire on me as you wish, but you cannot blame me for the homeless population growth.
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It is just as important for schools to protect the rights of students falsely accused of rape, as it is to protect the rights of rape victims. Just because a person is accused of rape, does not necessarily mean that they are guilty. To do assume otherwise, would be to encourage a witch hunt atmosphere. And it certainly does not mean that the accused lose their rights under the law to receive due process and fair treatment.
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Actually no. The letter was about public servants not doing their job. A senator opposing or pushing a nomination is, in fact, doing his or her job of advice and consent.
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Does the charge say where Terry Shockley is now and identify any assets that could be used to pay back losses?
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This is a conversation and exchange of ideas and opinions. To my knowledge, no one is "telling someone how to conduct their business." If discussing a proposal is only appropriate for those within the jurisdiction considering the action, there would be considerably less conversation. Your sarcasm relating to my being still able to "give" does not address the point. Springfield is considering actions which would discourage streetside pandhandling by removing one of, if not the, major sources of panhandling donations. You may think that's a good idea, that's fine. I don't think it's a good idea unless we're willing to provide those services and programs which would help the homeless and destitute find the care and assistance they need. We have very different perspectives on this issue...That's not surprising, it's a very contentious issue.
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It's about time. Shockley lived the high life using OPM (other people's money) in what appears to be a Madoff-type scheme. After being found out, he just goes about his daily life while the people he scammed struggle to cover their losses. I hope to see him soon in one of those photos with a badge that have been appearing of late.
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Not possible. It's been chopped off....
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The bill requires a judge to approve the non-disclosure, so it's nearly impossible for it to be abused. Your paranoid delusions are unfounded.
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You appear to be making the same assumptions of our government being prone to "tyranny" that the Malheur occupiers did. These people who participated in this criminal act are widely supported by well known and documented anti-government hate groups. These people represent a clear danger to commit further criminal acts, including intimidation and violence. To argue that this officer should have a target painted on his back, and his family to also then be allowed to also be targeted, is an argument that is extremely irresponsible for anyone to make. Members of law enforcement do not sign up to become targets of terrorists. When Muslim extremists attacked that Mohammed Cartoon event in Garland, TX 9 months ago, the name of the officer that killed both of the extremists was withheld from the public, and was never released. This incident at the Malheur Refuge is no different, as it also involves extremists with radical viewpoints that are heavily armed and prone to violence.
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This bill has nothing to do with "public sentiment", but was enacted on the request of the superintendent of the Oregon State Police.
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What you are missing here is that the current process is only CASE LAW. All this bill does is to make the current case law permanent, by actually adding it to the Oregon Statutes. If you are OK with the current case law, then why object to actually making it statutory? Seems like a totally logical and sensible thing to do, in my opinion.
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It's not about anti government anything. It's about the facts and the truth. Fact check site you refer to is strictly talking about the Bundy situation. Which is entirely different on so many levels. Factcheck. Org is not an unbiased website. You must look up individual articles and piece together truth with sources that are reliable. Such as government documents detailing plans to acquire state land/public property and how to expand the Malheur Refuge from 80,000 to over 180,000 acres. The federal government is designed to protect and promote the welfare of the citizens of the united states. My opinion is that I want the corruption to end. The taxpayers pay politicians salaries and pensions. Lobbyists and corporate donors give them additional money and side deals are made everyday. Why do you think a simple piece of legislation contains hundreds of pages of additional "pork projects" or favors. People need to become critical thinkers and check various sources. Then form an opinion
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At any one time there is between 2,000 to 2,500 homeless in the Portland central core ( NW, SW, Inner NE, and Inner SE ), and on average there is approximately 1,500 pounds of human waste ( both solid and liquid ) that ends up in the parks and streets, and with the addition of this new Loo the city has a total of 8. In an urban environment of this size this is woefully inadequate, as this is approximately 1 Public Bathroom for every 315 homeless.
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We the public should know that an officer will not kill unless absolutely necessary. By keeping the officer's name secret, we remove the obligation to take responsibility or own one's actions. Keeping names in the public eye, we have the security of knowing that officers will be aware that they may be held accountable and thus be motivated to adopt less confrontational tactics in their work so as to avoid public exposure. By allowing the individuals who kill for the government to remain anonymous, we empower the government to kill. Do we really want that? Really?
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It is difficult to be "civil" given our extreme differences. For example, with those who say we don't deserve a wage that allows us to survive. We are having a nonviolent -- so far -- civil war. Poverty kills. Enemies are not likely to be civil to each other. That said, what bothers me a lot more than uncivility is the widespread American ignorance, even among college graduates, about public issues. In a video recently posted on Facebook someone interviewed college students, asking questions like "Who won the Civil War?" They didn't know. But they knew all about current pop culture. https://www.facebook.com/salon/videos/10153420067871519/?pnref=story I used to believe that "everyone is entitled to their opinion". I no longer believe that. If you're going to state an opinion you should do some research and know what you're talking about. Willful ignorance is not okay, and it makes democracy impossible.
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Ordinances such as this are long overdue. "Ignore fellow human beings"? No, I don't ignore, I have to keep my eyes on them because I wonder if they're going to walk in front of me, and I also have to keep my eyes on the cars in front of me which may stop suddenly because of their presence, and I have to look out for real pedestrians and bicycles and other cars and traffic lights. These people trying to capture our attention and get us to stop are an unnecessary tax on our attention. And many of them reject food, they just want your money to go buy cigarettes and booze. They get their food from dumpster diving, which is where they also get their cardboard for illegible signs, which wind up littering the corners along with the rest of their waste.
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I don't believe Mike Clark. I've seen him drag his feet on doing anything to help the homeless.
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Well, this might be the most civil set of comments on the net. :) Many are asking how to avoid an undesirable filter bubble. Once I have tried the process, perhaps my concerns will be lifted.
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Nice article. In one man's example, $800/week, no taxes since all the donations are gifts. That's a net take home of $40K/year with 2 weeks "vacation." Add in the value of government paid ObamaCare, cell phone, and SNAP (food stamps), also tax free, and you are well into a middle class standard of living. And all under false pretenses. The way I see it, all of us who actually work for a living and choose to help others have only so much we can give. I want to make sure it is getting to people who truly need it. That is not possible to do by handing something out my car window. So my policy is to contribute to organizations who can vet those they give to, or I give to people who I have the time to personally vet or know. While there are a few panhandlers in real need, they seem to be the exception. The rule, however, is that they are scammers who I would never feel good about giving to. The Springfield ordinance will be effective, and should not have to be a disingenuous workaround.
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Blaming the homeless for a reduction in biking is quite a stretch. I tried riding a bike but the traffic made it feel unsafe. The homeless had nothing to do with it. "A true housing first includes those next steps of substance abuse treatment and job training. " That is part of the "housing first" policy, although the majority of homeless are neither addicted nor mentally ill. For those who are, it's much more effective to offer such supports after they're safely housed. Being homeless is very stressful, which encourage the use of alcohol and other drugs to deal with it. Stress is also a trigger for mental illness. There is a lot of therapy in simply being safe. Plus it's the right thing to do. No one deserves to be without shelter. It's a myth that Eugene attracts homeless people because it offers so many benefits. In fact, the city does not. The most important benefit for someone who is homeless is shelter, and we have only a small fraction of the needed shelter.
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In his letter, Cook also makes the entirely correct point that even if Apple creates the backdoor the government wants, bad actors will simply begin using other encryption software that is readily available to them, some of which is made by foreign companies who our government cannot coerce into providing a back door. This will compromise the security of 1 billion Apple devices now being used around the world, thus putting Apple's customers at risk and putting Apple at a serious competitive disadvantage to foreign companies who do not have to comply with our government. All for the unlikely possibility that the one phone Farook did not destroy will fill in 18 missing minutes. This is a foolish knee-jerk reaction from a technologically clueless judge.
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"Wednesday is 2016’s warmest year so far in Eugene" Perhaps the RG's proofreader will correct the headline before tomorrow AM.
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I agree with you that crime is an issue. As the city grows, the demand for police services grows too. I don’t think their funding has kept up. Population is up about 20% since 2005, do we have 20% more sworn officers than we did then? I’m guessing not. We could try developing a tax or regulatory scheme to keep rental prices down, but I it’s tough to do that without making the housing shortage worse. I think the real elephant in the room when it comes to funding is property taxes. We’re not going to get gold-star public service when so many land owners pay slum-level property taxes.
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Nice photo, that is a heck of a rock.
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"Wednesday is 2016’s warmest year so far..." Heck, that ain't nothin'! Next year's Wednesday will be even warmer!
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It is not mean spirited to keep traffic flowing or to keep pedestrians - or panhandlers - from harm's way. It is not mean spirited to "Defund Panhandling" as studies have indicated is in the best interest of those truly in need.
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"Since the early 1990s, the percentage of homeless adults who are over the age of 50 has gone from 11 percent to more than 50 percent. That aging community has numerous health problems which often go untreated. Bob Tedeschi, a senior writer at STAT, talks with Here & Now’s Lisa Mullins what he found when he dug deeper into the problems the aging homeless face." http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2016/02/17/health-system-fails-aging-homeless
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What "studies"? Those who ask for and give money are the best judges of what is in their interest. The rest of the population has no legitimate interest involved. This isn't about anyone's safety, it's about middle-class people not wanting to see the homeless, because visible poor people put the lie to the notion that this is a fair country.
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I read Camosy's piece. Solidarity in conversation means getting to know your neighbor. There are bios for op-ed contributors. Why not here in the comment section too? One could have a bio on file, say a self-described paragraph or two. If you write, it's nice to know your audience. Speakers are often ahead of us here. Knowing others reveals their bias, constraints, and the ingrained resistance to an argument or opinion. Camosy could add striving for creativity to his list of attributes and not taking criticism too personally. Both add insight to the writing process, one in how you send it out and the other in how you take it in. Learning is lifelong. Getting stuck in our opinions is deleterious to our own moral development. The news writing and opinion process is limiting. It misses nuance, complexity, the poetic imagination and the appreciation of dialectical thinking. It's too contained and contrived in its form. It's no wonder that being creative at it takes hard work.
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The government has had the power to kill for millennia. In Oregon, the voters have specifically empowered the government to kill through the death penalty. Our legislators, whom we keep re-electing, have written laws justifying killing by police officers under certain conditions which were met in the Finicum case. The question here is whether those we hire, provide training and firearms to, and then send out to protect the rest of us should be protected, at least for some period of time, from being targets of the crazy people or having their family members as targets of crazy people.
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Every government is prone to tyranny unless those who are governed are diligently watchful over those who are given great power and are supposed to be serving them. This law subverts our ability to be watchful. Conflating the civil disobedience of a group who has to date never hurt or killed anyone with radical Muslim extremists is nonsense, and most certainly not the same thing. Would you have withheld Officer Darren Wilson's name from the violent and misinformed rioters in Ferguson? Quite frankly, he was in far more danger. The principles involved are of such importance that releasing the name is imperative. While police officers don't specifically sign up to be put in unduly dangerous positions, they know danger is part of the job. I prefer to use readily available methods of protecting them that do not carry the ongoing risk of abuse inherent in codifying a lack of accountability of our police into law. Think how such a law would go over in black neighborhoods.
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Congrats to Coach Miles on an amazing career and on retirement! I grew up in Klamath Falls and I have great memories of going to OIT basketball games and listening to the away games on the radio. I even got to serve as ball boy for the team one year! I remember Coach Miles having high expectations of everyone around him and being extremely kind and welcoming to all of us who were fans.
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Correct. That too. Unfortunately it does not bring back the 4300 dead. Oh well. Such is the mistake of war.
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Well, that would be the denotation. The connotation is subsidized housing for the poor. Virtually everyone (related to the government or an interest group) who says "affordable housing" means it in this way.
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Slippery slope > perspective
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What happens on public property is absolutely the legitimate interest of all of us who give money (through taxes) to pay for that property. Secondly, we don't know that the beggars are all homeless. Housed people are certainly capable of begging. And, of course, some of what you call homeless actually have homes in the parks where they choose to live.
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I'm just glad that Thursday isn't Friday the 13th.
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Just, wow.
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Another accurate headline by the RG. Doesn't anyone proof read anything anymore?! Anything to get people to read the paper.
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Life without parole?! Get freakin real!
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Sucks to be someone in a wheelchair or using a walker trying to use one of those sidewalks between 9pm and 7am
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But that's ok because they were "fighting the man". Which is exactly what the latest occupation was about. I'm beginning to see a double standard here. Actually I've seen it since day one.
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Google away. A dollar to a panhandler would be better donated to Food For Lane County or any charity. You know the old saying: "Give a man a dollar for beer and he won't use it for bread." or something like that.
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Mr. Bill's OURS blog On the move again! Its unbelievable. I can't keep track of how many times they have had to move this month. I look at my life and the issues I have to deal with, but it does not compare with not having a place to call home. Whether its stick built or a tent. The city has made it impossible for campers to establish a home. There are not enough locations in Eugene to accommodate these people. The city is proud of establishing places for 20 to 30 people to stay. We have thousands living on the street. RV's move around the city from street to street while avoiding tickets or having there home towed away. One step in front of EPD. Is this right? Is this all the City of Eugene can offer the homeless? OURS is now in the process of moving to a new location. Hopefully they may be given a couple of weeks of peace and quiet. Away from the authorities. Hope that Mike's upcoming meeting will benefit the OURS camp and others like them. http://mrbillofeugene.blogspot.com/
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No wonder Kitty is vacating........
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"40-20 12 hours ago Labeling others with the intent to humiliate is what’s uncivil …… “homophobe”, “bigot”, “hatemonger”, “climate change denier”, “teabagger”, “racist”, “neocon”, “right wing extremist”, ad infinitum."
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This is what they call an expofacto law and the constitution prohibits a law after the fact to be used or to protect some one if act was before the law is made I am looking in the constitution and will have that information for you latter. Another point that needs clarified is regading body cam and dash board cam videos, will this also suppress from the public? Once the public gets a look at the other vidios they will know that officers involved shot LeVoye and he droped his hands because he didn't have enough blood pressure to keep them up. This is nothing more than a cover up and should be investigated like any other case, get the investigation done with and start the investigations into the practices of the BLM offences against these farmers and arrest the BLM or the Dept. Of Interior who caused this mess. Regarding the wheapon there was no wheapon and the dash cam should make that also clear. The first search for wheapons from the dash or body cams should enlighten us all.
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"This law subverts our ability to be watchful." - You need to pay closer attention. All this bill does is make current case law here in Oregon statutory. The legal system is already operating on this basis, and no abuse has ever occurred. "Conflating the civil disobedience of a group who has to date never hurt or killed anyone with radical Muslim extremists is nonsense" - No, they are very much the same thing. Both are being tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center and others for being hate groups, as well as being monitored by the Department of Homeland Security. Both pose a real danger to the government and to members of law enforcement. They are heavily armed, and often threaten violence. You forget about all of the many reports that came out of Burns, of people being intimidated and threatened by the Malheur occupiers and their supporters. Many people in Burns were scared. Those arrested all appear to be very dangerous armed individuals, who are mentally ill.
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These people who were arrested, and those that support them, are extremely dangerous individuals. They are clearly suffering from some kind of personality disorder or mental illness, to have the insane beliefs that they do. And these individuals are all heavy armed. Do you honestly believe that crazed maniacs armed with countless deadly firearms are not a major threat? Just look at how they terrorized and frightened so many innocent people in Burns. And you want them to now be able to target this poor Oregon State Trooper and his innocent family??
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This is seriously problematic. Certainly there should be a desire to protect an officer in the discharge of there duties "IF" creditable threats do in fact exist? Are they real? So far I have not seen or read any official report of creditability to suggest the killing of Finicum was in fact a justified shooting according to Oregon State law. There is ZERO mention of any threat [s] on many of the Patriot web-sites I have read since January 2nd of this year. This doesn't seem to pass the smell test as this appears to be a move to pull the cart before the horse. Was the killing of Finicum justifiable? If so where is the supportive evidence and reports?
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You are stating the same sort of conspiracy theory that supporters of the occupiers have been making online in countless discussion forums. These are extremist anti-government hate groups, and are no different than Islamic terrorists with regarding to the irrationality of their thinking. Back on Feb 2nd, it was announced that the investigation into Finicum's shooting would not be done until early to mid March. The investigation is being headed by the Deschutes County Sheriff's office, with assistance from the Bend and Redmond police departments. Yet, you attempt to make some sort of anti-government conspiracy out of this investigation, when it is being handled normally according to established protocols. You need to spend more time reading real news, and stop listening to all of the nonsense on these anti-government websites. http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/investigation_into_death_of_or.html
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Victor: You are misunderstanding constitutional law very badly. In 1798 the US Supreme Court ruled that the clause in the Constitution barring ex post facto laws only applies to criminal law, and nothing else. This bill has nothing to do with criminal law. It creates no crimes, nor specifies any kind of punishments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calder_v._Bull
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Well, if I were boss, I would put in real change. I would make third party candidates able to run and not end up splitting the votes and having the opposition win. I would simply have a provision that says if a candidate doesn't win, all his/her votes can "flow" to someone else. So, Bernie could run as an Independent. If he didn't win at the national level, all the votes for him could go to the Democratic candidate, or whoever he designates. I so want third party candidates in the race. That allows for a fuller election conversation and let's me vote for a Socialist third party candidate and not worry Cruz will win. I guess I would vote to institute the British system of government, including their restricted election time periods. And yes, "No Confidence", would help strengthen the election process. I want to be boss. But as far as running for office, I have never been either that drunk or that insane. My hat is off to those who take up that task. Hugh Massengill, Eugene
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Donald Trump subscribes to all kinds of conspiracy theories...... Iraq, 9/11, climate change and President Obama's birth certificate are among these. This confirms the belief of many that the world is filled with conspiracy kooks.
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If I gave to every hand that I come across during the day I'd be living on the street myself perfectly broke.
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I love these editorials, title only, letting us indulge our imaginations. Maybe there will be text along in a bit. Until then, I confess to being absolutely bewildered. Mr. Trump ridiculed George W. Bush, so my guess is this editorial refers to George H. W. Bush, described as a gentle and soft spoken man. The father was a long time 1%'er, son of a tribe of rich folk. He was someone the rich could have faith in, not like that weird billionaire Trump, who seems utterly unpredictable. I think I will cut this short...and wait for the professional to actually, you know, provide some context to the title. I, for one, do not find Donald Trump evoking nostalgia for either Bush president. He is the only one who called President W. Bush to task, for both 911 and the war crime of the second Iraq war. I actually shed a couple of tears when, late at night, I heard that Reagan had won leadership of my country, so nostalgia for me involves RfK or JfK or JlK Jr. Hugh Massengill, Eugene
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