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Yeah.	I agree. And Mari also ,	Um.	we had This came up when she she was here. That 's important.	false	QMSum_198
I agree. And Mari also ,	Um.	we had This came up when she she was here. That 's important.	So it 's a great idea ,	false	QMSum_198
Um.	we had This came up when she she was here. That 's important.	So it 's a great idea ,	Yeah , I I b By the by the way , I don't think the transcriptions are actually , in the long run , such a big bottleneck.	false	QMSum_198
we had This came up when she she was here. That 's important.	So it 's a great idea ,	Yeah , I I b By the by the way , I don't think the transcriptions are actually , in the long run , such a big bottleneck.	and if it were true than I would just do that , but it 's not that bad like the room is not the bottleneck , and we have enough time in the room , it 's getting the people to come in and put on the and get the setup going.	false	QMSum_198
So it 's a great idea ,	Yeah , I I b By the by the way , I don't think the transcriptions are actually , in the long run , such a big bottleneck.	and if it were true than I would just do that , but it 's not that bad like the room is not the bottleneck , and we have enough time in the room , it 's getting the people to come in and put on the and get the setup going.	I think the issue is just that we 're we 're blazing that path. Right ? And and um d Do you have any idea when when uh the you 'll be able to send uh the ten hours to them ?	false	QMSum_198
Yeah , I I b By the by the way , I don't think the transcriptions are actually , in the long run , such a big bottleneck.	and if it were true than I would just do that , but it 's not that bad like the room is not the bottleneck , and we have enough time in the room , it 's getting the people to come in and put on the and get the setup going.	I think the issue is just that we 're we 're blazing that path. Right ? And and um d Do you have any idea when when uh the you 'll be able to send uh the ten hours to them ?	Well , I 've been burning two C Ds a day , which is about all I can do with the time I have.	false	QMSum_198
and if it were true than I would just do that , but it 's not that bad like the room is not the bottleneck , and we have enough time in the room , it 's getting the people to come in and put on the and get the setup going.	I think the issue is just that we 're we 're blazing that path. Right ? And and um d Do you have any idea when when uh the you 'll be able to send uh the ten hours to them ?	Well , I 've been burning two C Ds a day , which is about all I can do with the time I have.	Yeah. Yeah.	false	QMSum_198
I think the issue is just that we 're we 're blazing that path. Right ? And and um d Do you have any idea when when uh the you 'll be able to send uh the ten hours to them ?	Well , I 've been burning two C Ds a day , which is about all I can do with the time I have.	Yeah. Yeah.	So it 'll be early next week.	false	QMSum_198
Well , I 've been burning two C Ds a day , which is about all I can do with the time I have.	Yeah. Yeah.	So it 'll be early next week.	Yeah , OK. So early next week we send it to them , and then then we check with them to see if they 've got it and we we start , you know asking about the timing for it.	false	QMSum_198
Yeah. Yeah.	So it 'll be early next week.	Yeah , OK. So early next week we send it to them , and then then we check with them to see if they 've got it and we we start , you know asking about the timing for it.	Yep.	false	QMSum_198
So it 'll be early next week.	Yeah , OK. So early next week we send it to them , and then then we check with them to see if they 've got it and we we start , you know asking about the timing for it.	Yep.	So I think once they get it sorted out about how they 're gonna do it , which I think they 're pretty well along on , cuz they were able to read the files and so on.	false	QMSum_198
Yeah , OK. So early next week we send it to them , and then then we check with them to see if they 've got it and we we start , you know asking about the timing for it.	Yep.	So I think once they get it sorted out about how they 're gonna do it , which I think they 're pretty well along on , cuz they were able to read the files and so on.	Yep.	false	QMSum_198
Yep.	So I think once they get it sorted out about how they 're gonna do it , which I think they 're pretty well along on , cuz they were able to read the files and so on.	Yep.	Right ?	false	QMSum_198
So I think once they get it sorted out about how they 're gonna do it , which I think they 're pretty well along on , cuz they were able to read the files and so on.	Yep.	Right ?	Yeah , but	false	QMSum_198
Yep.	Right ?	Yeah , but	Well	false	QMSum_198
Right ?	Yeah , but	Well	Yeah , who knows where they are.	false	QMSum_198
Yeah , but	Well	Yeah , who knows where they are.	Have they ever responded to you ?	false	QMSum_198
Well	Yeah , who knows where they are.	Have they ever responded to you ?	Nope.	false	QMSum_198
Yeah , who knows where they are.	Have they ever responded to you ?	Nope.	Yeah , but You know , so they they they have you know , they 're volunteering their time and they have a lot of other things to do ,	false	QMSum_198
Have they ever responded to you ?	Nope.	Yeah , but You know , so they they they have you know , they 're volunteering their time and they have a lot of other things to do ,	What if	false	QMSum_198
Nope.	Yeah , but You know , so they they they have you know , they 're volunteering their time and they have a lot of other things to do ,	What if	Yeah , you we can't complain.	false	QMSum_198
Yeah , but You know , so they they they have you know , they 're volunteering their time and they have a lot of other things to do ,	What if	Yeah , you we can't complain.	right ? But they But at any rate , they 'll I I think once they get that sorted out , they 're they 're making cassettes there , then they 're handing it to someone who they who 's who is doing it , and uh I think it 's not going to be I don't think it 's going to be that much more of a deal for them to do thirty hours then to do one hour , I think. It 's not going to be thirty	false	QMSum_198
What if	Yeah , you we can't complain.	right ? But they But at any rate , they 'll I I think once they get that sorted out , they 're they 're making cassettes there , then they 're handing it to someone who they who 's who is doing it , and uh I think it 's not going to be I don't think it 's going to be that much more of a deal for them to do thirty hours then to do one hour , I think. It 's not going to be thirty	Yep. I think that 's probably true.	false	QMSum_198
Yeah , you we can't complain.	right ? But they But at any rate , they 'll I I think once they get that sorted out , they 're they 're making cassettes there , then they 're handing it to someone who they who 's who is doing it , and uh I think it 's not going to be I don't think it 's going to be that much more of a deal for them to do thirty hours then to do one hour , I think. It 's not going to be thirty	Yep. I think that 's probably true.	Really ? So it 's the amount of	false	QMSum_198
right ? But they But at any rate , they 'll I I think once they get that sorted out , they 're they 're making cassettes there , then they 're handing it to someone who they who 's who is doing it , and uh I think it 's not going to be I don't think it 's going to be that much more of a deal for them to do thirty hours then to do one hour , I think. It 's not going to be thirty	Yep. I think that 's probably true.	Really ? So it 's the amount of	It 's it 's just getting it going.	false	QMSum_198
Yep. I think that 's probably true.	Really ? So it 's the amount of	It 's it 's just getting it going.	It 's pipeline , pipeline issues.	false	QMSum_198
Really ? So it 's the amount of	It 's it 's just getting it going.	It 's pipeline , pipeline issues.	Right. What about these lunch meetings	false	QMSum_198
It 's it 's just getting it going.	It 's pipeline , pipeline issues.	Right. What about these lunch meetings	Once the pipeline fills.	false	QMSum_198
It 's pipeline , pipeline issues.	Right. What about these lunch meetings	Once the pipeline fills.	I mean , I don't know , if there 's any way without too much more overhead , even if we don't ship it right away to IBM even if we just collect it here for awhile , to record you know , two or three more meeting a week , just to have the data , even if they 're um not doing the digits , but they do wear the headphones ?	false	QMSum_198
Right. What about these lunch meetings	Once the pipeline fills.	I mean , I don't know , if there 's any way without too much more overhead , even if we don't ship it right away to IBM even if we just collect it here for awhile , to record you know , two or three more meeting a week , just to have the data , even if they 're um not doing the digits , but they do wear the headphones ?	But the lunch meetings are pretty much one person getting up and	false	QMSum_198
Once the pipeline fills.	I mean , I don't know , if there 's any way without too much more overhead , even if we don't ship it right away to IBM even if we just collect it here for awhile , to record you know , two or three more meeting a week , just to have the data , even if they 're um not doing the digits , but they do wear the headphones ?	But the lunch meetings are pretty much one person getting up and	No , I meant , um , sorry , the meetings where people eat their lunch downstairs , maybe they don't wanna be recorded , but	false	QMSum_198
I mean , I don't know , if there 's any way without too much more overhead , even if we don't ship it right away to IBM even if we just collect it here for awhile , to record you know , two or three more meeting a week , just to have the data , even if they 're um not doing the digits , but they do wear the headphones ?	But the lunch meetings are pretty much one person getting up and	No , I meant , um , sorry , the meetings where people eat their lunch downstairs , maybe they don't wanna be recorded , but	Oh , and we 're just chatting ?	false	QMSum_198
But the lunch meetings are pretty much one person getting up and	No , I meant , um , sorry , the meetings where people eat their lunch downstairs , maybe they don't wanna be recorded , but	Oh , and we 're just chatting ?	Just the ch the chatting.	false	QMSum_198
No , I meant , um , sorry , the meetings where people eat their lunch downstairs , maybe they don't wanna be recorded , but	Oh , and we 're just chatting ?	Just the ch the chatting.	Yeah , we have a lot of those.	false	QMSum_198
Oh , and we 're just chatting ?	Just the ch the chatting.	Yeah , we have a lot of those.	I actually I actually think that 's useful data , um the chatting ,	false	QMSum_198
Just the ch the chatting.	Yeah , we have a lot of those.	I actually I actually think that 's useful data , um the chatting ,	Yeah , the problem with that is I would I think I would feel a little constrained to You know ? Uh , some of the meetings	false	QMSum_198
Yeah , we have a lot of those.	I actually I actually think that 's useful data , um the chatting ,	Yeah , the problem with that is I would I think I would feel a little constrained to You know ? Uh , some of the meetings	but OK. You don't wanna do it , cuz OK.	false	QMSum_198
I actually I actually think that 's useful data , um the chatting ,	Yeah , the problem with that is I would I think I would feel a little constrained to You know ? Uh , some of the meetings	but OK. You don't wanna do it , cuz OK.	You know , our " soccer ball " meeting ?	false	QMSum_198
Yeah , the problem with that is I would I think I would feel a little constrained to You know ? Uh , some of the meetings	but OK. You don't wanna do it , cuz OK.	You know , our " soccer ball " meeting ?	Alright.	false	QMSum_198
but OK. You don't wanna do it , cuz OK.	You know , our " soccer ball " meeting ?	Alright.	I guess none of you were there for our soccer ball meeting.	false	QMSum_198
You know , our " soccer ball " meeting ?	Alright.	I guess none of you were there for our soccer ball meeting.	Alright , so I 'll just throw it out there , if anyone knows of one more m or two more wee meetings per week that happen at ICSI , um that we could record , I think it would be worth it.	false	QMSum_198
Alright.	I guess none of you were there for our soccer ball meeting.	Alright , so I 'll just throw it out there , if anyone knows of one more m or two more wee meetings per week that happen at ICSI , um that we could record , I think it would be worth it.	That was hilarious.	false	QMSum_198
I guess none of you were there for our soccer ball meeting.	Alright , so I 'll just throw it out there , if anyone knows of one more m or two more wee meetings per week that happen at ICSI , um that we could record , I think it would be worth it.	That was hilarious.	Yeah. Well , we should also check with Mari again , because they because they were really intending , you know , maybe just didn't happen , but they were really intending to be duplicating this in some level. So then that would double what we had. Uh. And there 's a lot of different meetings at UW uh I mean really m a lot more than we have here right cuz we 're not right on campus ,	false	QMSum_198
Alright , so I 'll just throw it out there , if anyone knows of one more m or two more wee meetings per week that happen at ICSI , um that we could record , I think it would be worth it.	That was hilarious.	Yeah. Well , we should also check with Mari again , because they because they were really intending , you know , maybe just didn't happen , but they were really intending to be duplicating this in some level. So then that would double what we had. Uh. And there 's a lot of different meetings at UW uh I mean really m a lot more than we have here right cuz we 're not right on campus ,	Right.	false	QMSum_198
That was hilarious.	Yeah. Well , we should also check with Mari again , because they because they were really intending , you know , maybe just didn't happen , but they were really intending to be duplicating this in some level. So then that would double what we had. Uh. And there 's a lot of different meetings at UW uh I mean really m a lot more than we have here right cuz we 're not right on campus ,	Right.	so.	false	QMSum_198
Yeah. Well , we should also check with Mari again , because they because they were really intending , you know , maybe just didn't happen , but they were really intending to be duplicating this in some level. So then that would double what we had. Uh. And there 's a lot of different meetings at UW uh I mean really m a lot more than we have here right cuz we 're not right on campus ,	Right.	so.	Is the uh , notion of recording any of Chuck 's meetings dead in the water , or is that still a possibility ?	false	QMSum_198
Right.	so.	Is the uh , notion of recording any of Chuck 's meetings dead in the water , or is that still a possibility ?	Uh , they seem to have some problems with it. We can we can talk about that later. Um , but , again , Jerry is Jerry 's open So I mean , we have two speech meetings , one uh network meeting , uh Jerry was open to it but I I s One of the things that I think is a little a little bit of a limitation , there is a think when the people are not involved uh in our work , we probably can't do it every week. You know ? I I I I think that that people are gonna feel uh are gonna feel a little bit constrained. Now , it might get a little better if we don't have them do the digits all the time. And the then so then they can just really sort of try to put the mikes on and then just charge in and	false	QMSum_198
so.	Is the uh , notion of recording any of Chuck 's meetings dead in the water , or is that still a possibility ?	Uh , they seem to have some problems with it. We can we can talk about that later. Um , but , again , Jerry is Jerry 's open So I mean , we have two speech meetings , one uh network meeting , uh Jerry was open to it but I I s One of the things that I think is a little a little bit of a limitation , there is a think when the people are not involved uh in our work , we probably can't do it every week. You know ? I I I I think that that people are gonna feel uh are gonna feel a little bit constrained. Now , it might get a little better if we don't have them do the digits all the time. And the then so then they can just really sort of try to put the mikes on and then just charge in and	Yep.	false	QMSum_198
Is the uh , notion of recording any of Chuck 's meetings dead in the water , or is that still a possibility ?	Uh , they seem to have some problems with it. We can we can talk about that later. Um , but , again , Jerry is Jerry 's open So I mean , we have two speech meetings , one uh network meeting , uh Jerry was open to it but I I s One of the things that I think is a little a little bit of a limitation , there is a think when the people are not involved uh in our work , we probably can't do it every week. You know ? I I I I think that that people are gonna feel uh are gonna feel a little bit constrained. Now , it might get a little better if we don't have them do the digits all the time. And the then so then they can just really sort of try to put the mikes on and then just charge in and	Yep.	What if we give people you know , we cater a lunch in exchange for them having their meeting here or something ?	false	QMSum_198
Uh , they seem to have some problems with it. We can we can talk about that later. Um , but , again , Jerry is Jerry 's open So I mean , we have two speech meetings , one uh network meeting , uh Jerry was open to it but I I s One of the things that I think is a little a little bit of a limitation , there is a think when the people are not involved uh in our work , we probably can't do it every week. You know ? I I I I think that that people are gonna feel uh are gonna feel a little bit constrained. Now , it might get a little better if we don't have them do the digits all the time. And the then so then they can just really sort of try to put the mikes on and then just charge in and	Yep.	What if we give people you know , we cater a lunch in exchange for them having their meeting here or something ?	Well , you know , I I do think eating while you 're doing a meeting is going to be increasing the noise.	false	QMSum_198
Yep.	What if we give people you know , we cater a lunch in exchange for them having their meeting here or something ?	Well , you know , I I do think eating while you 're doing a meeting is going to be increasing the noise.	OK.	false	QMSum_198
What if we give people you know , we cater a lunch in exchange for them having their meeting here or something ?	Well , you know , I I do think eating while you 're doing a meeting is going to be increasing the noise.	OK.	But I had another question , which is um , you know , in principle , w um , I know that you don't want artificial topics ,	false	QMSum_198
Well , you know , I I do think eating while you 're doing a meeting is going to be increasing the noise.	OK.	But I had another question , which is um , you know , in principle , w um , I know that you don't want artificial topics ,	Alright , alright , alright.	false	QMSum_198
OK.	But I had another question , which is um , you know , in principle , w um , I know that you don't want artificial topics ,	Alright , alright , alright.	but um it does seem to me that we might be able to get subjects from campus to come down and do something that wouldn't be too artificial. I mean , we could political discussions , or or something or other ,	false	QMSum_198
But I had another question , which is um , you know , in principle , w um , I know that you don't want artificial topics ,	Alright , alright , alright.	but um it does seem to me that we might be able to get subjects from campus to come down and do something that wouldn't be too artificial. I mean , we could political discussions , or or something or other ,	No , definitely.	false	QMSum_198
Alright , alright , alright.	but um it does seem to me that we might be able to get subjects from campus to come down and do something that wouldn't be too artificial. I mean , we could political discussions , or or something or other ,	No , definitely.	and i you know , people who are Because , you know , there 's also this constraint. We d it 's like , you know , the the uh goldibears goldi goldilocks , it 's like you don't want meetings that are too large , but you don't want meetings that are too small. And um a and it just seems like maybe we could exploit the subj human subject p p pool , in the positive sense of the word.	false	QMSum_198
but um it does seem to me that we might be able to get subjects from campus to come down and do something that wouldn't be too artificial. I mean , we could political discussions , or or something or other ,	No , definitely.	and i you know , people who are Because , you know , there 's also this constraint. We d it 's like , you know , the the uh goldibears goldi goldilocks , it 's like you don't want meetings that are too large , but you don't want meetings that are too small. And um a and it just seems like maybe we could exploit the subj human subject p p pool , in the positive sense of the word.	Well , even I mean , coming down from campus is sort of a big thing , but what about	false	QMSum_198
No , definitely.	and i you know , people who are Because , you know , there 's also this constraint. We d it 's like , you know , the the uh goldibears goldi goldilocks , it 's like you don't want meetings that are too large , but you don't want meetings that are too small. And um a and it just seems like maybe we could exploit the subj human subject p p pool , in the positive sense of the word.	Well , even I mean , coming down from campus is sort of a big thing , but what about	We could pay subjects.	false	QMSum_198
and i you know , people who are Because , you know , there 's also this constraint. We d it 's like , you know , the the uh goldibears goldi goldilocks , it 's like you don't want meetings that are too large , but you don't want meetings that are too small. And um a and it just seems like maybe we could exploit the subj human subject p p pool , in the positive sense of the word.	Well , even I mean , coming down from campus is sort of a big thing , but what about	We could pay subjects.	or what about people in the in the building ?	false	QMSum_198
Well , even I mean , coming down from campus is sort of a big thing , but what about	We could pay subjects.	or what about people in the in the building ?	Yeah , I was thinking , there 's all these other peo	false	QMSum_198
We could pay subjects.	or what about people in the in the building ?	Yeah , I was thinking , there 's all these other peo	I mean , there 's the State of California downstairs , and	false	QMSum_198
or what about people in the in the building ?	Yeah , I was thinking , there 's all these other peo	I mean , there 's the State of California downstairs , and	Yeah. I mean	false	QMSum_198
Yeah , I was thinking , there 's all these other peo	I mean , there 's the State of California downstairs , and	Yeah. I mean	I just really doubt that uh any of the State of California meetings would be recordable and then releasable to the general public.	false	QMSum_198
I mean , there 's the State of California downstairs , and	Yeah. I mean	I just really doubt that uh any of the State of California meetings would be recordable and then releasable to the general public.	Yeah.	false	QMSum_198
Yeah. I mean	I just really doubt that uh any of the State of California meetings would be recordable and then releasable to the general public.	Yeah.	Oh.	false	QMSum_198
I just really doubt that uh any of the State of California meetings would be recordable and then releasable to the general public.	Yeah.	Oh.	Mm - hmm.	false	QMSum_198
Yeah.	Oh.	Mm - hmm.	So I I mean I talked with some people at the Haas Business School who are i who are interested in speech recognition	false	QMSum_198
Oh.	Mm - hmm.	So I I mean I talked with some people at the Haas Business School who are i who are interested in speech recognition	Alright , well.	false	QMSum_198
Mm - hmm.	So I I mean I talked with some people at the Haas Business School who are i who are interested in speech recognition	Alright , well.	and , they sort of hummed and hawed and said " well maybe we could have meetings down here " , but then I got email from them that said " no , we decided we 're not really interested and we don't wanna come down and hold meetings. " So , I think it 's gonna be a problem to get people regularly.	false	QMSum_198
So I I mean I talked with some people at the Haas Business School who are i who are interested in speech recognition	Alright , well.	and , they sort of hummed and hawed and said " well maybe we could have meetings down here " , but then I got email from them that said " no , we decided we 're not really interested and we don't wanna come down and hold meetings. " So , I think it 's gonna be a problem to get people regularly.	What about Joachim , maybe he can	false	QMSum_198
Alright , well.	and , they sort of hummed and hawed and said " well maybe we could have meetings down here " , but then I got email from them that said " no , we decided we 're not really interested and we don't wanna come down and hold meetings. " So , I think it 's gonna be a problem to get people regularly.	What about Joachim , maybe he can	But but we c But I think , you know , we get some scattered things from this and that. And I I d I do think that maybe we can get somewhere with the with the radio.	false	QMSum_198
and , they sort of hummed and hawed and said " well maybe we could have meetings down here " , but then I got email from them that said " no , we decided we 're not really interested and we don't wanna come down and hold meetings. " So , I think it 's gonna be a problem to get people regularly.	What about Joachim , maybe he can	But but we c But I think , you know , we get some scattered things from this and that. And I I d I do think that maybe we can get somewhere with the with the radio.	Mm - hmm.	false	QMSum_198
What about Joachim , maybe he can	But but we c But I think , you know , we get some scattered things from this and that. And I I d I do think that maybe we can get somewhere with the with the radio.	Mm - hmm.	Uh i I have better contacts in radio than in television , but	false	QMSum_198
But but we c But I think , you know , we get some scattered things from this and that. And I I d I do think that maybe we can get somewhere with the with the radio.	Mm - hmm.	Uh i I have better contacts in radio than in television , but	You could get a lot of lively discussions from those radio ones.	false	QMSum_198
Mm - hmm.	Uh i I have better contacts in radio than in television , but	You could get a lot of lively discussions from those radio ones.	Well , and they 're already they 're these things are already recorded ,	false	QMSum_198
Uh i I have better contacts in radio than in television , but	You could get a lot of lively discussions from those radio ones.	Well , and they 're already they 're these things are already recorded ,	Yep.	false	QMSum_198
You could get a lot of lively discussions from those radio ones.	Well , and they 're already they 're these things are already recorded ,	Yep.	Yeah.	false	QMSum_198
Well , and they 're already they 're these things are already recorded ,	Yep.	Yeah.	we don't have to ask them to even and I 'm not sure wh how they record it , but they must record from individual	false	QMSum_198
Yep.	Yeah.	we don't have to ask them to even and I 'm not sure wh how they record it , but they must record from individual	n Well No , I 'm not talking about ones that are already recorded. I 'm talking about new ones	false	QMSum_198
Yeah.	we don't have to ask them to even and I 'm not sure wh how they record it , but they must record from individual	n Well No , I 'm not talking about ones that are already recorded. I 'm talking about new ones	Why why not ?	false	QMSum_198
we don't have to ask them to even and I 'm not sure wh how they record it , but they must record from individual	n Well No , I 'm not talking about ones that are already recorded. I 'm talking about new ones	Why why not ?	because because because we would be asking them to do something different.	false	QMSum_198
n Well No , I 'm not talking about ones that are already recorded. I 'm talking about new ones	Why why not ?	because because because we would be asking them to do something different.	Well , we can find out. I know for instance Mark Liberman was interested uh in in LDC getting data , uh , and	false	QMSum_198
Why why not ?	because because because we would be asking them to do something different.	Well , we can find out. I know for instance Mark Liberman was interested uh in in LDC getting data , uh , and	Right , that 's the found data idea.	false	QMSum_198
because because because we would be asking them to do something different.	Well , we can find out. I know for instance Mark Liberman was interested uh in in LDC getting data , uh , and	Right , that 's the found data idea.	Yeah.	false	QMSum_198
Well , we can find out. I know for instance Mark Liberman was interested uh in in LDC getting data , uh , and	Right , that 's the found data idea.	Yeah.	But what I 'm saying is uh if I talk to people that I know who do these th who produce these things we could ask them if they could record an extra channel , let 's say , of a distant mike.	false	QMSum_198
Right , that 's the found data idea.	Yeah.	But what I 'm saying is uh if I talk to people that I know who do these th who produce these things we could ask them if they could record an extra channel , let 's say , of a distant mike.	Mm - hmm.	false	QMSum_198
Yeah.	But what I 'm saying is uh if I talk to people that I know who do these th who produce these things we could ask them if they could record an extra channel , let 's say , of a distant mike.	Mm - hmm.	And u I think routinely they would not do this. So , since I 'm interested in the distant mike stuff , I wanna make sure that there is at least that somewhere	false	QMSum_198
But what I 'm saying is uh if I talk to people that I know who do these th who produce these things we could ask them if they could record an extra channel , let 's say , of a distant mike.	Mm - hmm.	And u I think routinely they would not do this. So , since I 'm interested in the distant mike stuff , I wanna make sure that there is at least that somewhere	Right. Great. OK.	false	QMSum_198
Mm - hmm.	And u I think routinely they would not do this. So , since I 'm interested in the distant mike stuff , I wanna make sure that there is at least that somewhere	Right. Great. OK.	and uh But if we ask them to do that they might be intrigued enough by the idea that they uh might be e e willing to the I might be able to talk them into it.	false	QMSum_198
And u I think routinely they would not do this. So , since I 'm interested in the distant mike stuff , I wanna make sure that there is at least that somewhere	Right. Great. OK.	and uh But if we ask them to do that they might be intrigued enough by the idea that they uh might be e e willing to the I might be able to talk them into it.	Mm - hmm.	false	QMSum_198
Right. Great. OK.	and uh But if we ask them to do that they might be intrigued enough by the idea that they uh might be e e willing to the I might be able to talk them into it.	Mm - hmm.	Um. We 're getting towards the end of our disk space , so we should think about trying to wrap up here.	false	QMSum_198
and uh But if we ask them to do that they might be intrigued enough by the idea that they uh might be e e willing to the I might be able to talk them into it.	Mm - hmm.	Um. We 're getting towards the end of our disk space , so we should think about trying to wrap up here.	That 's a good way to end a meeting.	false	QMSum_198
Mm - hmm.	Um. We 're getting towards the end of our disk space , so we should think about trying to wrap up here.	That 's a good way to end a meeting.	OK. Well I don't why don't we why d u why don't we uh uh turn them turn	false	QMSum_198
Um. We 're getting towards the end of our disk space , so we should think about trying to wrap up here.	That 's a good way to end a meeting.	OK. Well I don't why don't we why d u why don't we uh uh turn them turn	OK , leave leave them on for a moment until I turn this off , cuz that 's when it crashed last time.	false	QMSum_198
That 's a good way to end a meeting.	OK. Well I don't why don't we why d u why don't we uh uh turn them turn	OK , leave leave them on for a moment until I turn this off , cuz that 's when it crashed last time.	Oh. That 's good to know.	false	QMSum_198
OK. Well I don't why don't we why d u why don't we uh uh turn them turn	OK , leave leave them on for a moment until I turn this off , cuz that 's when it crashed last time.	Oh. That 's good to know.	Turning off the microphone made it crash. Well	false	QMSum_198
OK , leave leave them on for a moment until I turn this off , cuz that 's when it crashed last time.	Oh. That 's good to know.	Turning off the microphone made it crash. Well	That 's good to know.	false	QMSum_198
Oh. That 's good to know.	Turning off the microphone made it crash. Well	That 's good to know.	OK.	false	QMSum_198
Turning off the microphone made it crash. Well	That 's good to know.	OK.	null	false	QMSum_198
Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee this morning. I've received no apologies for absence. Suzy Davies is going to be arriving a little bit late. Are there any declarations of interest, please? No? Okay. Item 2, then, this morning is an evidence session to scrutinise the Welsh Government's progress in developing the new curriculum for Wales. I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams AM, Minister for Education; Steve Davies, director of the education directorate; and Claire Bennett, who is deputy director for curriculum and assessment. Thank you all for attending this morning, and thank you for the paper that you provided in advance to the committee. We've got a lot of ground to cover, so if it's okay, we'll go straight into questions. If I can just start by asking you what the main messages are that you've received during the feedback period on the draft curriculum.	null	Thank you, Chair. If I may, I think it's important to understand what the level of that feedback has been. So, there was a concerted effort and a plan drawn up to try and ensure that there was as much engagement, knowledge and opportunity as possible. So, working through the regional consortia, approximately 120 separate events were organised, and we believe that in the region of 6,000 headteachers, teachers, governors and teaching assistants have actually had an opportunity to participate in those events. We also held a number of focus group sessions specifically for young people themselves, so that they could give us their feedback. There were 24 focus groups that were arranged for children and young people. We also held some specific events to engage with the business community. We'll all be familiar, won't we, with the narrative of, 'Oh, we're sending people out into the world of business without the skills that we as an employer are looking for'. So we thought it was really important to engage business so that they can have their say and their input into the process. And obviously we work very hard on making it as easy as possible via new technology for people to have their say. So, Members, I'm sure, will have been aware of the specific pages on Hwb that outlined the draft curriculum, and we had 275,000 unique visits to the Hwb curriculum pages. It's really interesting to see the breakdown of the areas of learning and experience—which particular AoLEs were the most popular and were being looked at the most—with our creative and performing arts and the creativity and the expressive arts being the most popular. So that's really interesting that people really wanted to engage in the content of that particular AoLE. What, then, have people said to us? Well, I'm really pleased that there has been broad support for the curriculum changes that we are proposing. There's real support for the need for change, because that's the first question, actually; why are we doing this, and why do we need to change? So, support for the need for change, and lots of support for the principle of a purpose-led curriculum. So, good levels of support for the four purposes, and that driving the content below it. Strong support for greater autonomy and agency for the profession—so, the ability of the profession to take a framework and then truly let them adapt it to meet the needs of the children that they are working with in their communities. Also, a great welcome of the emphasis on formative assessment and the importance of formative assessment. In terms of some of the things that people are asking us to look again at, some of that is around some of the language used. Can we clarify, can we simplify in some areas, are there things that are repeated in a variety of AoLEs? Can we use that as an overarching, rather than repeating ourselves? Can we simplify it and clarify some of the language? Also, in some areas—. It's interesting; in some areas people want it simplified and cut down, but in other areas, people say, 'Well actually, in this bit of it, we need a bit more detail, and a bit more depth and clarity'. So we'll be reflecting on all the feedback that we've had. That process has already started, but considering that this is a massive change, I have been hugely encouraged, actually, by the high levels of engagement and support for the broad principles of what we're doing.	Okay. Thank you, Minister. You said that you're reflecting on the messages that you've received. Are you able to give the committee any early indication of what level of change you anticipate making to the guidance?	false	QMSum_177

Yeah.

I agree. And Mari also ,

Um.

we had This came up when she she was here. That 's important.

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I agree. And Mari also ,

Um.

we had This came up when she she was here. That 's important.

So it 's a great idea ,

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Um.

we had This came up when she she was here. That 's important.

So it 's a great idea ,

Yeah , I I b By the by the way , I don't think the transcriptions are actually , in the long run , such a big bottleneck.

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we had This came up when she she was here. That 's important.

So it 's a great idea ,

Yeah , I I b By the by the way , I don't think the transcriptions are actually , in the long run , such a big bottleneck.

and if it were true than I would just do that , but it 's not that bad like the room is not the bottleneck , and we have enough time in the room , it 's getting the people to come in and put on the and get the setup going.

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So it 's a great idea ,

Yeah , I I b By the by the way , I don't think the transcriptions are actually , in the long run , such a big bottleneck.

and if it were true than I would just do that , but it 's not that bad like the room is not the bottleneck , and we have enough time in the room , it 's getting the people to come in and put on the and get the setup going.

I think the issue is just that we 're we 're blazing that path. Right ? And and um d Do you have any idea when when uh the you 'll be able to send uh the ten hours to them ?

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Yeah , I I b By the by the way , I don't think the transcriptions are actually , in the long run , such a big bottleneck.

and if it were true than I would just do that , but it 's not that bad like the room is not the bottleneck , and we have enough time in the room , it 's getting the people to come in and put on the and get the setup going.

I think the issue is just that we 're we 're blazing that path. Right ? And and um d Do you have any idea when when uh the you 'll be able to send uh the ten hours to them ?

Well , I 've been burning two C Ds a day , which is about all I can do with the time I have.

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and if it were true than I would just do that , but it 's not that bad like the room is not the bottleneck , and we have enough time in the room , it 's getting the people to come in and put on the and get the setup going.

I think the issue is just that we 're we 're blazing that path. Right ? And and um d Do you have any idea when when uh the you 'll be able to send uh the ten hours to them ?

Well , I 've been burning two C Ds a day , which is about all I can do with the time I have.

Yeah. Yeah.

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I think the issue is just that we 're we 're blazing that path. Right ? And and um d Do you have any idea when when uh the you 'll be able to send uh the ten hours to them ?

Well , I 've been burning two C Ds a day , which is about all I can do with the time I have.

Yeah. Yeah.

So it 'll be early next week.

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Well , I 've been burning two C Ds a day , which is about all I can do with the time I have.

Yeah. Yeah.

So it 'll be early next week.

Yeah , OK. So early next week we send it to them , and then then we check with them to see if they 've got it and we we start , you know asking about the timing for it.

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Yeah. Yeah.

So it 'll be early next week.

Yeah , OK. So early next week we send it to them , and then then we check with them to see if they 've got it and we we start , you know asking about the timing for it.

Yep.

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So it 'll be early next week.

Yeah , OK. So early next week we send it to them , and then then we check with them to see if they 've got it and we we start , you know asking about the timing for it.

Yep.

So I think once they get it sorted out about how they 're gonna do it , which I think they 're pretty well along on , cuz they were able to read the files and so on.

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Yeah , OK. So early next week we send it to them , and then then we check with them to see if they 've got it and we we start , you know asking about the timing for it.

Yep.

So I think once they get it sorted out about how they 're gonna do it , which I think they 're pretty well along on , cuz they were able to read the files and so on.

Yep.

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Yep.

So I think once they get it sorted out about how they 're gonna do it , which I think they 're pretty well along on , cuz they were able to read the files and so on.

Yep.

Right ?

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So I think once they get it sorted out about how they 're gonna do it , which I think they 're pretty well along on , cuz they were able to read the files and so on.

Yep.

Right ?

Yeah , but

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Yep.

Right ?

Yeah , but

Well

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Right ?

Yeah , but

Well

Yeah , who knows where they are.

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Yeah , but

Well

Yeah , who knows where they are.

Have they ever responded to you ?

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Well

Yeah , who knows where they are.

Have they ever responded to you ?

Nope.

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Yeah , who knows where they are.

Have they ever responded to you ?

Nope.

Yeah , but You know , so they they they have you know , they 're volunteering their time and they have a lot of other things to do ,

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Have they ever responded to you ?

Nope.

Yeah , but You know , so they they they have you know , they 're volunteering their time and they have a lot of other things to do ,

What if

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Nope.

Yeah , but You know , so they they they have you know , they 're volunteering their time and they have a lot of other things to do ,

What if

Yeah , you we can't complain.

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Yeah , but You know , so they they they have you know , they 're volunteering their time and they have a lot of other things to do ,

What if

Yeah , you we can't complain.

right ? But they But at any rate , they 'll I I think once they get that sorted out , they 're they 're making cassettes there , then they 're handing it to someone who they who 's who is doing it , and uh I think it 's not going to be I don't think it 's going to be that much more of a deal for them to do thirty hours then to do one hour , I think. It 's not going to be thirty

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What if

Yeah , you we can't complain.

right ? But they But at any rate , they 'll I I think once they get that sorted out , they 're they 're making cassettes there , then they 're handing it to someone who they who 's who is doing it , and uh I think it 's not going to be I don't think it 's going to be that much more of a deal for them to do thirty hours then to do one hour , I think. It 's not going to be thirty

Yep. I think that 's probably true.

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Yeah , you we can't complain.

right ? But they But at any rate , they 'll I I think once they get that sorted out , they 're they 're making cassettes there , then they 're handing it to someone who they who 's who is doing it , and uh I think it 's not going to be I don't think it 's going to be that much more of a deal for them to do thirty hours then to do one hour , I think. It 's not going to be thirty

Yep. I think that 's probably true.

Really ? So it 's the amount of

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right ? But they But at any rate , they 'll I I think once they get that sorted out , they 're they 're making cassettes there , then they 're handing it to someone who they who 's who is doing it , and uh I think it 's not going to be I don't think it 's going to be that much more of a deal for them to do thirty hours then to do one hour , I think. It 's not going to be thirty

Yep. I think that 's probably true.

Really ? So it 's the amount of

It 's it 's just getting it going.

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Yep. I think that 's probably true.

Really ? So it 's the amount of

It 's it 's just getting it going.

It 's pipeline , pipeline issues.

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Really ? So it 's the amount of

It 's it 's just getting it going.

It 's pipeline , pipeline issues.

Right. What about these lunch meetings

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It 's it 's just getting it going.

It 's pipeline , pipeline issues.

Right. What about these lunch meetings

Once the pipeline fills.

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It 's pipeline , pipeline issues.

Right. What about these lunch meetings

Once the pipeline fills.

I mean , I don't know , if there 's any way without too much more overhead , even if we don't ship it right away to IBM even if we just collect it here for awhile , to record you know , two or three more meeting a week , just to have the data , even if they 're um not doing the digits , but they do wear the headphones ?

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Right. What about these lunch meetings

Once the pipeline fills.

I mean , I don't know , if there 's any way without too much more overhead , even if we don't ship it right away to IBM even if we just collect it here for awhile , to record you know , two or three more meeting a week , just to have the data , even if they 're um not doing the digits , but they do wear the headphones ?

But the lunch meetings are pretty much one person getting up and

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Once the pipeline fills.

I mean , I don't know , if there 's any way without too much more overhead , even if we don't ship it right away to IBM even if we just collect it here for awhile , to record you know , two or three more meeting a week , just to have the data , even if they 're um not doing the digits , but they do wear the headphones ?

But the lunch meetings are pretty much one person getting up and

No , I meant , um , sorry , the meetings where people eat their lunch downstairs , maybe they don't wanna be recorded , but

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I mean , I don't know , if there 's any way without too much more overhead , even if we don't ship it right away to IBM even if we just collect it here for awhile , to record you know , two or three more meeting a week , just to have the data , even if they 're um not doing the digits , but they do wear the headphones ?

But the lunch meetings are pretty much one person getting up and

No , I meant , um , sorry , the meetings where people eat their lunch downstairs , maybe they don't wanna be recorded , but

Oh , and we 're just chatting ?

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But the lunch meetings are pretty much one person getting up and

No , I meant , um , sorry , the meetings where people eat their lunch downstairs , maybe they don't wanna be recorded , but

Oh , and we 're just chatting ?

Just the ch the chatting.

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No , I meant , um , sorry , the meetings where people eat their lunch downstairs , maybe they don't wanna be recorded , but

Oh , and we 're just chatting ?

Just the ch the chatting.

Yeah , we have a lot of those.

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Oh , and we 're just chatting ?

Just the ch the chatting.

Yeah , we have a lot of those.

I actually I actually think that 's useful data , um the chatting ,

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Just the ch the chatting.

Yeah , we have a lot of those.

I actually I actually think that 's useful data , um the chatting ,

Yeah , the problem with that is I would I think I would feel a little constrained to You know ? Uh , some of the meetings

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Yeah , we have a lot of those.

I actually I actually think that 's useful data , um the chatting ,

Yeah , the problem with that is I would I think I would feel a little constrained to You know ? Uh , some of the meetings

but OK. You don't wanna do it , cuz OK.

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I actually I actually think that 's useful data , um the chatting ,

Yeah , the problem with that is I would I think I would feel a little constrained to You know ? Uh , some of the meetings

but OK. You don't wanna do it , cuz OK.

You know , our " soccer ball " meeting ?

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Yeah , the problem with that is I would I think I would feel a little constrained to You know ? Uh , some of the meetings

but OK. You don't wanna do it , cuz OK.

You know , our " soccer ball " meeting ?

Alright.

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but OK. You don't wanna do it , cuz OK.

You know , our " soccer ball " meeting ?

Alright.

I guess none of you were there for our soccer ball meeting.

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You know , our " soccer ball " meeting ?

Alright.

I guess none of you were there for our soccer ball meeting.

Alright , so I 'll just throw it out there , if anyone knows of one more m or two more wee meetings per week that happen at ICSI , um that we could record , I think it would be worth it.

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Alright.

I guess none of you were there for our soccer ball meeting.

Alright , so I 'll just throw it out there , if anyone knows of one more m or two more wee meetings per week that happen at ICSI , um that we could record , I think it would be worth it.

That was hilarious.

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I guess none of you were there for our soccer ball meeting.

Alright , so I 'll just throw it out there , if anyone knows of one more m or two more wee meetings per week that happen at ICSI , um that we could record , I think it would be worth it.

That was hilarious.

Yeah. Well , we should also check with Mari again , because they because they were really intending , you know , maybe just didn't happen , but they were really intending to be duplicating this in some level. So then that would double what we had. Uh. And there 's a lot of different meetings at UW uh I mean really m a lot more than we have here right cuz we 're not right on campus ,

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Alright , so I 'll just throw it out there , if anyone knows of one more m or two more wee meetings per week that happen at ICSI , um that we could record , I think it would be worth it.

That was hilarious.

Yeah. Well , we should also check with Mari again , because they because they were really intending , you know , maybe just didn't happen , but they were really intending to be duplicating this in some level. So then that would double what we had. Uh. And there 's a lot of different meetings at UW uh I mean really m a lot more than we have here right cuz we 're not right on campus ,

Right.

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That was hilarious.

Yeah. Well , we should also check with Mari again , because they because they were really intending , you know , maybe just didn't happen , but they were really intending to be duplicating this in some level. So then that would double what we had. Uh. And there 's a lot of different meetings at UW uh I mean really m a lot more than we have here right cuz we 're not right on campus ,

Right.

so.

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Yeah. Well , we should also check with Mari again , because they because they were really intending , you know , maybe just didn't happen , but they were really intending to be duplicating this in some level. So then that would double what we had. Uh. And there 's a lot of different meetings at UW uh I mean really m a lot more than we have here right cuz we 're not right on campus ,

Right.

so.

Is the uh , notion of recording any of Chuck 's meetings dead in the water , or is that still a possibility ?

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Right.

so.

Is the uh , notion of recording any of Chuck 's meetings dead in the water , or is that still a possibility ?

Uh , they seem to have some problems with it. We can we can talk about that later. Um , but , again , Jerry is Jerry 's open So I mean , we have two speech meetings , one uh network meeting , uh Jerry was open to it but I I s One of the things that I think is a little a little bit of a limitation , there is a think when the people are not involved uh in our work , we probably can't do it every week. You know ? I I I I think that that people are gonna feel uh are gonna feel a little bit constrained. Now , it might get a little better if we don't have them do the digits all the time. And the then so then they can just really sort of try to put the mikes on and then just charge in and

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so.

Is the uh , notion of recording any of Chuck 's meetings dead in the water , or is that still a possibility ?

Uh , they seem to have some problems with it. We can we can talk about that later. Um , but , again , Jerry is Jerry 's open So I mean , we have two speech meetings , one uh network meeting , uh Jerry was open to it but I I s One of the things that I think is a little a little bit of a limitation , there is a think when the people are not involved uh in our work , we probably can't do it every week. You know ? I I I I think that that people are gonna feel uh are gonna feel a little bit constrained. Now , it might get a little better if we don't have them do the digits all the time. And the then so then they can just really sort of try to put the mikes on and then just charge in and

Yep.

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Is the uh , notion of recording any of Chuck 's meetings dead in the water , or is that still a possibility ?

Uh , they seem to have some problems with it. We can we can talk about that later. Um , but , again , Jerry is Jerry 's open So I mean , we have two speech meetings , one uh network meeting , uh Jerry was open to it but I I s One of the things that I think is a little a little bit of a limitation , there is a think when the people are not involved uh in our work , we probably can't do it every week. You know ? I I I I think that that people are gonna feel uh are gonna feel a little bit constrained. Now , it might get a little better if we don't have them do the digits all the time. And the then so then they can just really sort of try to put the mikes on and then just charge in and

Yep.

What if we give people you know , we cater a lunch in exchange for them having their meeting here or something ?

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Uh , they seem to have some problems with it. We can we can talk about that later. Um , but , again , Jerry is Jerry 's open So I mean , we have two speech meetings , one uh network meeting , uh Jerry was open to it but I I s One of the things that I think is a little a little bit of a limitation , there is a think when the people are not involved uh in our work , we probably can't do it every week. You know ? I I I I think that that people are gonna feel uh are gonna feel a little bit constrained. Now , it might get a little better if we don't have them do the digits all the time. And the then so then they can just really sort of try to put the mikes on and then just charge in and

Yep.

What if we give people you know , we cater a lunch in exchange for them having their meeting here or something ?

Well , you know , I I do think eating while you 're doing a meeting is going to be increasing the noise.

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Yep.

What if we give people you know , we cater a lunch in exchange for them having their meeting here or something ?

Well , you know , I I do think eating while you 're doing a meeting is going to be increasing the noise.

OK.

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What if we give people you know , we cater a lunch in exchange for them having their meeting here or something ?

Well , you know , I I do think eating while you 're doing a meeting is going to be increasing the noise.

OK.

But I had another question , which is um , you know , in principle , w um , I know that you don't want artificial topics ,

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Well , you know , I I do think eating while you 're doing a meeting is going to be increasing the noise.

OK.

But I had another question , which is um , you know , in principle , w um , I know that you don't want artificial topics ,

Alright , alright , alright.

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OK.

But I had another question , which is um , you know , in principle , w um , I know that you don't want artificial topics ,

Alright , alright , alright.

but um it does seem to me that we might be able to get subjects from campus to come down and do something that wouldn't be too artificial. I mean , we could political discussions , or or something or other ,

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But I had another question , which is um , you know , in principle , w um , I know that you don't want artificial topics ,

Alright , alright , alright.

but um it does seem to me that we might be able to get subjects from campus to come down and do something that wouldn't be too artificial. I mean , we could political discussions , or or something or other ,

No , definitely.

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Alright , alright , alright.

but um it does seem to me that we might be able to get subjects from campus to come down and do something that wouldn't be too artificial. I mean , we could political discussions , or or something or other ,

No , definitely.

and i you know , people who are Because , you know , there 's also this constraint. We d it 's like , you know , the the uh goldibears goldi goldilocks , it 's like you don't want meetings that are too large , but you don't want meetings that are too small. And um a and it just seems like maybe we could exploit the subj human subject p p pool , in the positive sense of the word.

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but um it does seem to me that we might be able to get subjects from campus to come down and do something that wouldn't be too artificial. I mean , we could political discussions , or or something or other ,

No , definitely.

and i you know , people who are Because , you know , there 's also this constraint. We d it 's like , you know , the the uh goldibears goldi goldilocks , it 's like you don't want meetings that are too large , but you don't want meetings that are too small. And um a and it just seems like maybe we could exploit the subj human subject p p pool , in the positive sense of the word.

Well , even I mean , coming down from campus is sort of a big thing , but what about

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No , definitely.

and i you know , people who are Because , you know , there 's also this constraint. We d it 's like , you know , the the uh goldibears goldi goldilocks , it 's like you don't want meetings that are too large , but you don't want meetings that are too small. And um a and it just seems like maybe we could exploit the subj human subject p p pool , in the positive sense of the word.

Well , even I mean , coming down from campus is sort of a big thing , but what about

We could pay subjects.

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and i you know , people who are Because , you know , there 's also this constraint. We d it 's like , you know , the the uh goldibears goldi goldilocks , it 's like you don't want meetings that are too large , but you don't want meetings that are too small. And um a and it just seems like maybe we could exploit the subj human subject p p pool , in the positive sense of the word.

Well , even I mean , coming down from campus is sort of a big thing , but what about

We could pay subjects.

or what about people in the in the building ?

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Well , even I mean , coming down from campus is sort of a big thing , but what about

We could pay subjects.

or what about people in the in the building ?

Yeah , I was thinking , there 's all these other peo

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We could pay subjects.

or what about people in the in the building ?

Yeah , I was thinking , there 's all these other peo

I mean , there 's the State of California downstairs , and

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or what about people in the in the building ?

Yeah , I was thinking , there 's all these other peo

I mean , there 's the State of California downstairs , and

Yeah. I mean

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Yeah , I was thinking , there 's all these other peo

I mean , there 's the State of California downstairs , and

Yeah. I mean

I just really doubt that uh any of the State of California meetings would be recordable and then releasable to the general public.

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I mean , there 's the State of California downstairs , and

Yeah. I mean

I just really doubt that uh any of the State of California meetings would be recordable and then releasable to the general public.

Yeah.

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Yeah. I mean

I just really doubt that uh any of the State of California meetings would be recordable and then releasable to the general public.

Yeah.

Oh.

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I just really doubt that uh any of the State of California meetings would be recordable and then releasable to the general public.

Yeah.

Oh.

Mm - hmm.

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Yeah.

Oh.

Mm - hmm.

So I I mean I talked with some people at the Haas Business School who are i who are interested in speech recognition

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Oh.

Mm - hmm.

So I I mean I talked with some people at the Haas Business School who are i who are interested in speech recognition

Alright , well.

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Mm - hmm.

So I I mean I talked with some people at the Haas Business School who are i who are interested in speech recognition

Alright , well.

and , they sort of hummed and hawed and said " well maybe we could have meetings down here " , but then I got email from them that said " no , we decided we 're not really interested and we don't wanna come down and hold meetings. " So , I think it 's gonna be a problem to get people regularly.

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So I I mean I talked with some people at the Haas Business School who are i who are interested in speech recognition

Alright , well.

and , they sort of hummed and hawed and said " well maybe we could have meetings down here " , but then I got email from them that said " no , we decided we 're not really interested and we don't wanna come down and hold meetings. " So , I think it 's gonna be a problem to get people regularly.

What about Joachim , maybe he can

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Alright , well.

and , they sort of hummed and hawed and said " well maybe we could have meetings down here " , but then I got email from them that said " no , we decided we 're not really interested and we don't wanna come down and hold meetings. " So , I think it 's gonna be a problem to get people regularly.

What about Joachim , maybe he can

But but we c But I think , you know , we get some scattered things from this and that. And I I d I do think that maybe we can get somewhere with the with the radio.

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and , they sort of hummed and hawed and said " well maybe we could have meetings down here " , but then I got email from them that said " no , we decided we 're not really interested and we don't wanna come down and hold meetings. " So , I think it 's gonna be a problem to get people regularly.

What about Joachim , maybe he can

But but we c But I think , you know , we get some scattered things from this and that. And I I d I do think that maybe we can get somewhere with the with the radio.

Mm - hmm.

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What about Joachim , maybe he can

But but we c But I think , you know , we get some scattered things from this and that. And I I d I do think that maybe we can get somewhere with the with the radio.

Mm - hmm.

Uh i I have better contacts in radio than in television , but

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But but we c But I think , you know , we get some scattered things from this and that. And I I d I do think that maybe we can get somewhere with the with the radio.

Mm - hmm.

Uh i I have better contacts in radio than in television , but

You could get a lot of lively discussions from those radio ones.

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Mm - hmm.

Uh i I have better contacts in radio than in television , but

You could get a lot of lively discussions from those radio ones.

Well , and they 're already they 're these things are already recorded ,

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Uh i I have better contacts in radio than in television , but

You could get a lot of lively discussions from those radio ones.

Well , and they 're already they 're these things are already recorded ,

Yep.

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You could get a lot of lively discussions from those radio ones.

Well , and they 're already they 're these things are already recorded ,

Yep.

Yeah.

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Well , and they 're already they 're these things are already recorded ,

Yep.

Yeah.

we don't have to ask them to even and I 'm not sure wh how they record it , but they must record from individual

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Yep.

Yeah.

we don't have to ask them to even and I 'm not sure wh how they record it , but they must record from individual

n Well No , I 'm not talking about ones that are already recorded. I 'm talking about new ones

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Yeah.

we don't have to ask them to even and I 'm not sure wh how they record it , but they must record from individual

n Well No , I 'm not talking about ones that are already recorded. I 'm talking about new ones

Why why not ?

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we don't have to ask them to even and I 'm not sure wh how they record it , but they must record from individual

n Well No , I 'm not talking about ones that are already recorded. I 'm talking about new ones

Why why not ?

because because because we would be asking them to do something different.

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n Well No , I 'm not talking about ones that are already recorded. I 'm talking about new ones

Why why not ?

because because because we would be asking them to do something different.

Well , we can find out. I know for instance Mark Liberman was interested uh in in LDC getting data , uh , and

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Why why not ?

because because because we would be asking them to do something different.

Well , we can find out. I know for instance Mark Liberman was interested uh in in LDC getting data , uh , and

Right , that 's the found data idea.

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because because because we would be asking them to do something different.

Well , we can find out. I know for instance Mark Liberman was interested uh in in LDC getting data , uh , and

Right , that 's the found data idea.

Yeah.

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Well , we can find out. I know for instance Mark Liberman was interested uh in in LDC getting data , uh , and

Right , that 's the found data idea.

Yeah.

But what I 'm saying is uh if I talk to people that I know who do these th who produce these things we could ask them if they could record an extra channel , let 's say , of a distant mike.

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Right , that 's the found data idea.

Yeah.

But what I 'm saying is uh if I talk to people that I know who do these th who produce these things we could ask them if they could record an extra channel , let 's say , of a distant mike.

Mm - hmm.

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Yeah.

But what I 'm saying is uh if I talk to people that I know who do these th who produce these things we could ask them if they could record an extra channel , let 's say , of a distant mike.

Mm - hmm.

And u I think routinely they would not do this. So , since I 'm interested in the distant mike stuff , I wanna make sure that there is at least that somewhere

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But what I 'm saying is uh if I talk to people that I know who do these th who produce these things we could ask them if they could record an extra channel , let 's say , of a distant mike.

Mm - hmm.

And u I think routinely they would not do this. So , since I 'm interested in the distant mike stuff , I wanna make sure that there is at least that somewhere

Right. Great. OK.

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Mm - hmm.

And u I think routinely they would not do this. So , since I 'm interested in the distant mike stuff , I wanna make sure that there is at least that somewhere

Right. Great. OK.

and uh But if we ask them to do that they might be intrigued enough by the idea that they uh might be e e willing to the I might be able to talk them into it.

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And u I think routinely they would not do this. So , since I 'm interested in the distant mike stuff , I wanna make sure that there is at least that somewhere

Right. Great. OK.

and uh But if we ask them to do that they might be intrigued enough by the idea that they uh might be e e willing to the I might be able to talk them into it.

Mm - hmm.

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Right. Great. OK.

and uh But if we ask them to do that they might be intrigued enough by the idea that they uh might be e e willing to the I might be able to talk them into it.

Mm - hmm.

Um. We 're getting towards the end of our disk space , so we should think about trying to wrap up here.

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and uh But if we ask them to do that they might be intrigued enough by the idea that they uh might be e e willing to the I might be able to talk them into it.

Mm - hmm.

Um. We 're getting towards the end of our disk space , so we should think about trying to wrap up here.

That 's a good way to end a meeting.

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Mm - hmm.

Um. We 're getting towards the end of our disk space , so we should think about trying to wrap up here.

That 's a good way to end a meeting.

OK. Well I don't why don't we why d u why don't we uh uh turn them turn

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Um. We 're getting towards the end of our disk space , so we should think about trying to wrap up here.

That 's a good way to end a meeting.

OK. Well I don't why don't we why d u why don't we uh uh turn them turn

OK , leave leave them on for a moment until I turn this off , cuz that 's when it crashed last time.

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That 's a good way to end a meeting.

OK. Well I don't why don't we why d u why don't we uh uh turn them turn

OK , leave leave them on for a moment until I turn this off , cuz that 's when it crashed last time.

Oh. That 's good to know.

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OK. Well I don't why don't we why d u why don't we uh uh turn them turn

OK , leave leave them on for a moment until I turn this off , cuz that 's when it crashed last time.

Oh. That 's good to know.

Turning off the microphone made it crash. Well

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OK , leave leave them on for a moment until I turn this off , cuz that 's when it crashed last time.

Oh. That 's good to know.

Turning off the microphone made it crash. Well

That 's good to know.

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Oh. That 's good to know.

Turning off the microphone made it crash. Well

That 's good to know.

OK.

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Turning off the microphone made it crash. Well

That 's good to know.

OK.

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Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee this morning. I've received no apologies for absence. Suzy Davies is going to be arriving a little bit late. Are there any declarations of interest, please? No? Okay. Item 2, then, this morning is an evidence session to scrutinise the Welsh Government's progress in developing the new curriculum for Wales. I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams AM, Minister for Education; Steve Davies, director of the education directorate; and Claire Bennett, who is deputy director for curriculum and assessment. Thank you all for attending this morning, and thank you for the paper that you provided in advance to the committee. We've got a lot of ground to cover, so if it's okay, we'll go straight into questions. If I can just start by asking you what the main messages are that you've received during the feedback period on the draft curriculum.

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Thank you, Chair. If I may, I think it's important to understand what the level of that feedback has been. So, there was a concerted effort and a plan drawn up to try and ensure that there was as much engagement, knowledge and opportunity as possible. So, working through the regional consortia, approximately 120 separate events were organised, and we believe that in the region of 6,000 headteachers, teachers, governors and teaching assistants have actually had an opportunity to participate in those events. We also held a number of focus group sessions specifically for young people themselves, so that they could give us their feedback. There were 24 focus groups that were arranged for children and young people. We also held some specific events to engage with the business community. We'll all be familiar, won't we, with the narrative of, 'Oh, we're sending people out into the world of business without the skills that we as an employer are looking for'. So we thought it was really important to engage business so that they can have their say and their input into the process. And obviously we work very hard on making it as easy as possible via new technology for people to have their say. So, Members, I'm sure, will have been aware of the specific pages on Hwb that outlined the draft curriculum, and we had 275,000 unique visits to the Hwb curriculum pages. It's really interesting to see the breakdown of the areas of learning and experience—which particular AoLEs were the most popular and were being looked at the most—with our creative and performing arts and the creativity and the expressive arts being the most popular. So that's really interesting that people really wanted to engage in the content of that particular AoLE. What, then, have people said to us? Well, I'm really pleased that there has been broad support for the curriculum changes that we are proposing. There's real support for the need for change, because that's the first question, actually; why are we doing this, and why do we need to change? So, support for the need for change, and lots of support for the principle of a purpose-led curriculum. So, good levels of support for the four purposes, and that driving the content below it. Strong support for greater autonomy and agency for the profession—so, the ability of the profession to take a framework and then truly let them adapt it to meet the needs of the children that they are working with in their communities. Also, a great welcome of the emphasis on formative assessment and the importance of formative assessment. In terms of some of the things that people are asking us to look again at, some of that is around some of the language used. Can we clarify, can we simplify in some areas, are there things that are repeated in a variety of AoLEs? Can we use that as an overarching, rather than repeating ourselves? Can we simplify it and clarify some of the language? Also, in some areas—. It's interesting; in some areas people want it simplified and cut down, but in other areas, people say, 'Well actually, in this bit of it, we need a bit more detail, and a bit more depth and clarity'. So we'll be reflecting on all the feedback that we've had. That process has already started, but considering that this is a massive change, I have been hugely encouraged, actually, by the high levels of engagement and support for the broad principles of what we're doing.

Okay. Thank you, Minister. You said that you're reflecting on the messages that you've received. Are you able to give the committee any early indication of what level of change you anticipate making to the guidance?

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