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And partly it 's related to rhythmic structure in conversation , so , you know , you you t Yeah , this is d also um , people tend to time their their their , um when they come into the conversation based on the overall rhythmic , uh uh , ambient thing.
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Well
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Right.
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So you don't want to be c cross - cutting. And and , just to finish this , that um That I think that there may be an upper bound on how many overlaps you can have , simply from the standpoint of audibility and how loud the other people are who are already in the fray. But I you know , of certain types. Now if it 's just backchannels , people may be doing that with less intention of being heard , just sort of spontaneously doing backchannels , in which case that those might there may be no upper bound on those.
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I I have a feeling that backchannels , which are the vast majority of overlaps in Switchboard , uh , don't play as big a role here , because it 's very unnatural I think , to backchannel if in a multi - audience you know , in a multi - person audience.
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If you can see them , actually. It 's interesting , so if you watch people are going like Right right , like this here ,
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Right.
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Yeah.
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but That may not be the case if you couldn't see them.
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But but , it 's sort of odd if one person 's speaking and everybody 's listening , and it 's unusual to have everybody going " uh - huh , uh - huh "
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Actually , I think I 've done it a fair number of times today.
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Yeah.
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But.
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There 's a lot of head - nodding , in this
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Um.
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Yeah.
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Yep , we need to put trackers on it.
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In in the two - person
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Yeah , yeah , yeah.
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He could , he could.
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Plus plus plus the Yeah. So so actually , um That 's in part because the nodding , if you have visual contact , the nodding has the same function , but on the phone , in Switchboard you you that wouldn't work. So so you need to use the backchannel.
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Yeah , you don't have it. Your mike is
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So , in the two - person conversations , when there 's backchannel , is there a great deal of overlap in the speech ?
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That is an earphone , so if you just put it so it 's on your ear.
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or Cuz my impression is sometimes it happens when there 's a pause ,
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Yes.
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There you go.
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Yeah.
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E for example.
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Thank you.
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you know , like you you get a lot of backchannel , when somebody 's pausing
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Yes. Right.
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She 's doing that.
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Sorry , what were you saying ?
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It 's hard to do both , huh ? Um no , when when when there 's backchannel , I mean , just I was just listening , and and when there 's two people talking and there 's backchannel it seems like , um the backchannel happens when , you know , the pitch drops and the first person
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Oh.
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and a lot of times , the first person actually stops talking and then there 's a backchannel and then they start up again , and so I 'm wondering about h I just wonder how much overlap there is. Is there a lot ?
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I think there 's a lot of the kind that Jose was talking about , where I mean , this is called " precision timing " in conversation analysis , where they come in overlapping , but at a point where the information is mostly complete. So all you 're missing is some last syllables or something or the last word or some highly predictable words.
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Mmm. Mm - hmm.
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So technically , it 's an overlap.
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But maybe a just a small overlap ?
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But you know , from information flow point of view it 's not an overlap in the predictable information.
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More , yeah.
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It 'd be interesting if we could do prediction.
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I was just thinking more in terms of alignment , alignment overlap.
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Yeah.
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Language model prediction of overlap , that would be really interesting.
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So so
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Well , that 's exactly , exactly why we wanted to study the precise timing of overlaps ins in uh Switchboard ,
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Right.
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say , because there 's a lot of that.
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So so here 's a here 's a first interesting labeling task. Uh , to distinguish between , say , backchannels precision timing Sort of you know , benevolent overlaps , and and and w and and sort of , um I don't know , hostile overlaps , where someone is trying to grab the floor from someone else.
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Mm - hmm. Let 's pick a different word.
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Yeah.
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Uh , that that might be an interesting , um problem to look at.
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Hostile takeovers.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well , I mean you could do that. I ju I I think that in this meeting I really had the feeling that wasn't happening , that the hostile hostile type. These were these were benevolent types , as people finishing each other 's sentences , and stuff.
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OK.
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Mm - hmm.
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Um , I could imagine that as there 's a fair number of um cases where , and this is sort of , not really hostile , but sort of competitive , where one person is finishing something and you have , like , two or three people jumping trying to trying to trying to , uh grab the next turn.
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Trying to get the floor.
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Yeah.
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And so it 's not against the person who talks first because actually we 're all waiting for that person to finish. But they all want to be next.
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I have a feeling most of these things are that that are not a benevolent kind are are are , uh um are are competitive as opposed to real really really hostile.
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Right.
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I wonder what determines who gets the floor ?
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But.
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Yeah , I agree. I agree.
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I mean
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Well , there are various things , you you have the
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Uh a vote vote in Florida.
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It 's been studied a lot.
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Yeah.
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Voting for
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Um , o one thing I I wanted to or you can tell a good joke and then everybody 's laughing and you get a chance to g break in.
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Seniority.
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But. But. Um. You know , the other thing I was thinking was that , um these all these interesting questions are , of course , pretty hard to answer with , uh u you know , a small amount of data.
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Ach.
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So , um I wonder if what you 're saying suggests that we should make a conscious attempt to have , um a a fair number of meetings with , uh a smaller number of people. Right ? I mean we most of our meetings are uh , meetings currently with say five , six , seven , eight people Should we really try to have some two - person meetings , or some three - person meetings and re record them just to to to beef up the the statistics on that ?
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That 's a control. Well , it seems like there are two possibilities there , I mean i it seems like if you have just two people it 's not really , y like a meeting , w is not as similar as the rest of the of the sample. It depends on what you 're after , of course , but It seems like that would be more a case of the control condition , compared to , uh an experimental condition , with more than two.
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Mm - hmm.
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Well , Liz was raising the question of of whether i it 's the number there 's a relationship between the number of people and the number of overlaps or type of overlaps there ,
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Mm - hmm.
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and , um If you had two people meeting in this kind of circumstance then you 'd still have the visuals. You wouldn't have that difference also that you have in the say , in Switchboard data. Uh
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Mm - hmm. Yeah , I 'm just thinking that 'd be more like a c control condition.
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Yeah.
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Mm - hmm.
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Yeah.
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Well , but from the acoustic point of view , it 's all good.
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Is the same.
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Yeah , acoustic is fine , but
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If if the goal were to just look at overlap you would you could serve yourself save yourself a lot of time but not even transcri transcribe the words.
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Well , I was thinking you should be able to do this from the acoustics , on the close - talking mikes ,
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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