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Because even though he wont get his way, he still has caused great damage to a precious system we take for granted, which may well be a precursor to rough times down the road | 0Trait Anger
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Republicans are creating a "stolen election" out of thin air. They have abandoned any facade of loyalty to the Constitution or the democratic process. There is no coming back from this for them. | 0Trait Anger
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GOP senators say they will reject the constitution, but yell about it every-time there's an election looming | 0Trait Anger
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It doesn't matter if every Republican objects. They don't have the votes to do anything. It's a waste of two hours to grand-stand. | 1State Anger
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So this will just be it going forward. If Democrats win, it’ll have been rigged. I don’t think in a few years they’ll have moved on from this. It’ll be a miracle if democracy lasts another 10 years in this country. Thanks again 2016 Trump voters. You are forever the worst of us. | 0Trait Anger
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Oh so this is the next Benghazi they’re going to push for the next 4 years. | 0Trait Anger
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>Cruz is working with Senators Ron Johnson, James Lankford, Steve Daines, John Kennedy, Marsha Blackburn, and Mike Braun, and Senators-elect Cynthia Lummis, Roger Marshall, Bill Hagerty, and Tommy Tuberville. Only one of these senators, Johnson of Wisconsin, represents a state won by Mr. Biden.
Here's the current list of traitors.
No surprise Russia's senator is on the list. | 1State Anger
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They don't need a commission; they need to repeat 8th-grade social studies, so someone can explain to them (patiently and at length) how elections work.
Until then, perhaps they shouldn't be permitted to serve as Senators, since they clearly don't understand how laws work. | 1State Anger
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Remember when they just wanted to know what happened? 11 investigations of Hillary later nothing.... Those investigations were used to legally harass Hillary.
This is the same game of harassing the democrats because they dared investigate Trump because his people met with the Russians over 100 times. | 0Trait Anger
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Does it matter what they say? It’s done, right? | 2Anger Expression
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Alternative title:
Republican senators declare support for authoritarianism, vow to never concede power again based on votes | 1State Anger
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There sure has been a lot of crying out of the “fuck your feelings” group.
womp womp | 1State Anger
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If I was a member of their party I’d be deeply embarrassed. Are there really enough people to be all “hell yeah” about this waste of time to make it a smart choice for them to whine in this way? | 1State Anger
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Republican Senators who say they won’t certify electors:
• James Lankford (Okla.)
• Steve Daines (Mont.)
• John Kennedy (La.)
• Marsha Blackburn (Tenn.)
• Mike Braun (Ind.)
• Sen. Ted Cruz
• Sen. Ron Johnson
• Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Missouri)
• Senator-Elect Cynthia M. Lummis (Wyo.)
• S-E Roger Marshall (Kan.)
• S-E Bill Hagerty (Tenn.)
• S-E Tommy Tuberville (Ala.) | 1State Anger
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What I find fascinating is that they are sucking up hard to trump but they have no idea what Biden and Co. are going to find when they get into the White House. We probably don't know even 1/100th of the crazy shit Trump and his sycophants did while in power. Most of this shit is going to come out very quickly. Going full blown Trump Cult has the very, very high risk of backfiring spectacularly on these Republicans. So, let's sit back and watch 🍿 | 2Anger Expression
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*Seditious action*; stop treating this as a joke. | 1State Anger
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Charge them with Sedition and Treason. Remove them from office. | 2Anger Expression
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Didn’t Trump have a flag that said Fuck Your Feelings? Why is it different when these Senators feelings are hurt?
GOP is rife with hypocrisy | 1State Anger
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Republican “friends” and family: your guy lost. Stop this fucking madness! We need a REAL, functioning administration at the helm.
We are way behind on vaccine distribution. People are hungry and exhausted and poor and DYING.
We need leadership and experts and solutions. Not a clown car of sycophants trying to erode democracy. GOD DAMN. This is unforgivable. | 1State Anger
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Hmmmm I wonder which current Senators are supporting this?
* Josh Hawley (R-Miss.)
* Ted Cruz (R-Tex.)
* Ron Johnson (R-Wis.)
* James Lankford (R-Okla.)
* Steve Daines (R-Mont.)
* John Kennedy (R-La.)
* Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.)
* Mike Braun (R-Ind.)
Now where do those names sound familiar? Oh right, **Daines, Kennedy, and Johnson were 3 of the 8 Congresspeople to spend the 4th of July in Russia in 2018**. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the other Senators on that trip end up supporting this: Richard Shelby (Ala.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Jerry Moran (Kan.), John Thune. | 0Trait Anger
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The FBI should put these senators under permanent full time surveillance going forward, as coup supporters. | 1State Anger
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It’s suddenly dawned on me that America isn’t the bastion of democracy I though it was. It’s a shit-hole third world country now I’m afraid. Well done. | 1State Anger
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So not only are they blocking paying us back our own money in a crisis situation, but then they actively have the fucking nerve to try to overturn the results of a free/fair Democratic election?
Where are all the 2nd Amendment supporters who claim we need our automatic weapons"incase the guvberment act up" now? | 1State Anger
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It’s not a tantrum it’s treason. It’s isn’t misinformation it’s lies. | 1State Anger
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This is literally treason and an embarrassment to the country. | 1State Anger
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Here's the stupidest part of this, you can never be crazy enough to keep the fringe groups satisfied. So these senators are jeopardizing faith in American Democracy for VERY short term gain, because as soon as they do or say anything that isn't inline with the current crazy narrative they'll be dropped instantly. Pandering to these Stop the Steal Q-Anon etc morons is never going to be a long term win. Ex: Brian Kemp. | 1State Anger
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*Collective tantrum* is the best descriptive term I've heard for this so far | 1State Anger
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What a fucking dumb lawsuit. There seems to be no low they won’t go too. | 1State Anger
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At least 11 Republican senators ~~will reject Electoral College tally on Jan. 6~~ need to be tarred, feathered, and ridden out of this country on a rail. | 1State Anger
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Damn, if this election was rigged than those new senators shouldn't be in office, right? | 1State Anger
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At least we'll know which senators reject our Constitution. | 2Anger Expression
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Drinking from trump’s piss jug as usual Rand | 1State Anger
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I feel like any response should be "okay. We will reject electoral college tally and just go my popular vote. No problem, dudes." | 1State Anger
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Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch. | 0Trait Anger
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> Seditionists warn they will angrily stomp their feet if their delusions are not entertained at taxpayer expense | 1State Anger
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Isn't it interesting there hasn't been a single Trump-led lawsuit filed in states where he won in a walk?
It almost appears as if "fair elections!" isn't the actual goal -- it's overturning the will of the people.
Oh yeah, remember when all these GOP Senators went to the press to highlight how the Federal Election Commission was without a quorum for much of 2020? Meaning they couldn't carry out their mission to investigate claims of campaign finance malfeasance?
You don't remember that? That's because they don't actually give a fuck about any of this. | 0Trait Anger
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Ah yes, the Jim Crow Caucus. Seditious asshats. | 1State Anger
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I bet Hawley is pissed because he wanted 100% of the attention and adoration from trump, now he only gets 8%. SAD! | 1State Anger
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Object away losers | 1State Anger
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Traitors. Cute. | 2Anger Expression
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Conservatives almost seem like they derive a sick, sexual gratification out of embarrassing and debasing themselves. | 0Trait Anger
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This Broadway play sucks. | 1State Anger
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Form a commission, come back 1 day later and confirm that the election was fair, but Republican efforts to disenfranchise voters have caused great damage to the electoral process. To correct this issue pass a new voting rights act. | 1State Anger
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Commission of confederate states | 1State Anger
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Bless their hearts. They know Trump is going to be a kingmaker in the next few elections and they want to make sure he sees them put their big boy pants and throw a tantrum. | 2Anger Expression
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Because that’s a good use of MY tax dollars, you disingenuous fucks | 1State Anger
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Fuck every member of the GOP | 1State Anger
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[This post has been self-removed] | 1State Anger
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Nobody outside the Kult cares. Both branches of congress have to agree or the EC stands. The Dem controlled house ensures the election. Republican grandstanding only highlights their traitorous acts towards Democracy and our Republic. | 1State Anger
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You think it will end in 14 days? Republicans will henceforth challenge every election that they lose, unless they hold both houses of Congress, in which case they will overturn any election that they lose. Democrats are *again* clinging to false hope that Republicans will go back to being normal. | 0Trait Anger
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The fucking lengths he's going to stay in power, showcases his desperation. He will do almost anything at this point to stay in power. I remember people cried after Trump won....now I know why. Holy fucking shit you guys were right...to all those that cried. Again...Im sorry. We were wrong for laughing at you. | 1State Anger
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The last four years have tested our democracy. He's leaving and we're still here, but it doesn't really feel like a win. | 0Trait Anger
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EDIT: the person I was replying to said that we should clear him of crimes to create unity. I don’t know what happened to that comment. This was my response.
ORIGINAL: How would clearing him of crimes suddenly make conservatives stop treating liberals as an arch enemy? | 0Trait Anger
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Ideally, several prospective members should be challenged and barred for sedition. Amendment XIV: " No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress . . . who, having previously taken an oath . . . to support the Constitution . . . shall have engaged in . . . rebellion against the same . . . or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." | 1State Anger
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The media, bless their hearts.
Still reporting on this like it has the smallest chance of success. | 0Trait Anger
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I will never understand how some people wake up and think, “how can I be an absolute shit human being today?” | 0Trait Anger
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He will have to beat Mitch first if he wants that title. | 2Anger Expression
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>Lockdowns
Lockdown is the word Republicans use to disparage measures implemented to abate the pandemic. They want everyone to believe these measures are actually violations of your civil liberties, imposed by 'totalitarian Democrats'. Any media outlet that uses the Republicans' language has made themselves a propaganda outlet for the GOP, and an accomplice to their crimes against America.
Shame on *The Washington Post* for amplifying Republican propaganda. | 1State Anger
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Here is some quoted information from the article that I found profound.
>If every cloud has a silver lining, *Donald Trump's destructiveness offers this one: He has forced us to a point of reckoning about America*. If we think all this chaos is just about him, we've missed the whole point. On that point, there's wide agreement. Beyond that, however, there's considerable disagreement, if not confusion. ***The vast majority of elite discourse sees this in terms of a challenge to liberal democracy — a challenge that's been unfolding worldwide over the past decade or so, sometimes characterized as a "***[***third wave of autocratization***](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13510347.2019.1582029)***."***
>
>There's a large body of knowledge and experience behind this point of view (see groups such as [Varieties of Democracy](https://www.v-dem.net/) for a global perspective, or [Bright Lines Watch](http://brightlinewatch.org/) in the U.S.). But such an idealized view of American democracy has *always* been challenged by African Americans, for instance: See Frederick Douglass' "[What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?](https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/what-to-the-slave-is-the-fourth-of-july/)" or Langston Hughes' "[Let America Be America Again](https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147907/let-america-be-america-again).") ***Trump's election, in obvious response to Barack Obama's, has had the effect of pushing the longstanding Black critique of American democracy to the very center of our politics.***
>
>In contrast, University of Wisconsin political scientist Mark Copelovitch has been tweeting his observations of American politics under the rubric of "[Today in life under competitive authoritarianism](https://twitter.com/search?q=@mcopelov%20%22today%20in%20life%20under%20competitive%20authoritarianism%22&src=typed_query&f=live)." The term comes from Steven Levitsky and Lucan Way's 2010 book, "[Competitive Authoritarianism: Hybrid Regimes After the Cold War](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004EYSWVW/)" (introduced in an earlier paper [here](https://scholar.harvard.edu/levitsky/files/SL_elections.pdf).) They cite *"four minimum criteria" that modern democratic regimes meet, which these "hybrid regimes" (including most of the nations in the former Soviet Union) fail to meet on a systematic basis, thereby creating an uneven playing field between government and opposition*.
Here are the 4 criteria of modern democracy.
1. ***Executives and legislatures are chosen through elections that are open, free, and fair;***
2. ***That virtually all adults posses the right to vote***
3. ***That political rights and civil liberties — including freedom of the press, freedom of association and freedom to criticize the government without reprisal — are broadly protected.***
4. ***Elected authorities possess real authority to govern, in that they are not subject to the tutelary authority of military or clerical leaders"***
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>*By systemically violating these criteria, and possibly a fourth* — "elected authorities possess real authority to govern, in that they are not subject to the tutelary authority of military or clerical leaders" — ***competitive authoritarian regimes seek to maintain the general appearance of being democracy-like in order to claim legitimacy, but without practicing actual, substantive democracy.***
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Wow. A powerful indictment, yet all true all the same.
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This is America. | 1State Anger
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Abolish the electoral college. It’s that fucking easy. | 1State Anger
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We are a dictatorship of the rich, really. Elections offer a way to keep a portion of the populace believing in the idea that we have a democracy. | 0Trait Anger
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One of the biggest criticisms of democracy came from Greek philosophers like Socrates. They believed in "philosopher kings,"; men in control should have to defend their positions in oral debates because democracy made it too easy for the ruling elite to manipulate the laymen.
I wish they were alive to see their predictions come true. | 0Trait Anger
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Such a grand creep. | 1State Anger
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Abolish the Electoral College
Abolish the Senate
Proportional representation in the Legislature
Publicly funded elections | 0Trait Anger
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MONEY has too much control for our representative republic to be considered a true democracy. | 0Trait Anger
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Trump has served one good purpose- as a blacklight illuminating the unsettling crime-scene on a cheap motel bedspread America has become. | 0Trait Anger
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And thinking we "won" the Civil war. The Confederacy wasn't defeated, it just blended into the background. | 0Trait Anger
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First a meta comment: this would be FAR MORE APPROPRIATE in /r/PoliticalDiscusion where it'd likely get more comments and generate more useful discussion.
As to the subject, the federal courts have always been problematic. Especially no term limits. That may be why so many states outside the original 13 require state judges to be periodically reelected. Some gasp and shudder at politics in judicial selection, but they're either hypocritical or simply ignorant of just how political federal judicial confirmations have become. If they're going to be political, better for the people to have some practical mechanism to cut judicial tenure short when it seems prudent to do so.
In the 1780s, when life expectancy even among the well to do was early 60s, life tenure beginning in, say, one's early 40s may not have been a big deal. Also, there was a much narrower scope for federal courts before the 20th century.
As for the Electoral College, its precise operation didn't really matter in 1788 and 1792 when it elected Washington unanimously as president. By 1796, Jefferson and his Republican Party (as it was named at the time) had warped the Electoral College in most states to be single party slates of electors. That's the real problem with the EC: winner-takes-all by state. The Maine-Nebraska alternative, electing single electors by congressional district plus statewide plurality winner gets both electors corresponding to senators, could be even worse than the approach in other states depending on the extent of gerrymandering.
To the extent the 17th Amendment formally reduced the power of state legislatures and put more power into the hands of individual voters, we need the same for the Electoral College: scrapping it for nationwide popular vote. No, the big cities wouldn't have exclusive say in who should be president. Looking at this by county, there are several populous counties in the US which have voted for the Republican presidential nominee in the past few cycles: Suffolk county, NY; Oakland county, MI, Orange county, CA. Instead of Pennsylvania and Michigan having outsized importance, the suburbs ACROSS THE COUNTRY would become the main battleground. Urban California and rural Oklahoma would remain AS IRRELEVANT as they've become. | 0Trait Anger
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Proof once again that Cruz is an idiot and should be voted out. | 2Anger Expression
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Imagine being such a pathetic loser that you are willing to subvert democracy to try to get approval from a man who publicly made fun of your wife. | 1State Anger
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If they do, doesn't Pelosi become president? | 0Trait Anger
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Surely they're just committing political suicide at this point. Why aren't they ditching Trump? | 2Anger Expression
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Remember when Ted Cruz repeatedly said that doctors and specialists who spent their life working towards something didn't know anything about their own efforts? How about when he tried to get a Canadian to "admit" that the German-made vaccine only existed because America.. I dunno? Already existed? Or two months ago when he was mocking the vaccine?
So surely when the short, short list of useless non-essential people ahead of him get done he's absolutely going to turn down the vaccine, right? I mean this is just the flu. | 0Trait Anger
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Interestingly they're probably more afraid of Trump getting them primaried rather than any potential reprisals from McConnell. | 0Trait Anger
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He grew a beard and started wearing sunglasses this year. We know he has no masculinity but it must have really hurt having Trump call his wife ugly. Thats when he grew that beard. | 0Trait Anger
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These Republicans are literally trying to overturn the results of the election, how do Democrats in Congress work with them after this? How can the nation continue when a significant number of Republican officials at both the state and national level contest the election results? Even after Biden is inaugurated, they will never let go of their belief that the election was "stolen", it will become part of their party platform. How is that not incredibly damaging to US political stability going forward? | 1State Anger
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Here I thought a pair of Ray Bans looked good on everyone. Then came Ted Cruz. | 1State Anger
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If anyone needed any additional proof that the Republican Party is a criminal organization made up of fascist, anti-democratic traitors, here you go. | 0Trait Anger
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CNN is reporting 12 senators and around 140 congressman are planning to object. This is going to be a shit show. | 1State Anger
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This is a sideshow, it won't work, whats more worrisome is that millions of Trump supporters plan to go to DC on the 6th and if they don't get their way they plan on resorting to violence. This is how civil wars start. | 1State Anger
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- [CBS News:Sen. Amy Klobuchar reacts to senators who say they will reject Electoral College results unless a commission is appointed to conduct an audit of the results:
"Joe Biden will be inaugurated on January 20th, and no publicity stunt will change that."](https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1345478943512657921) | 1State Anger
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At what point does this party just dissolve for being a farce? | 1State Anger
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The GOP is at this point merely a repository of political dog shit, without legitimate purpose, principle or patriotism. It exists to cling to power, and stands for nothing - absolutely nothing - more.
Honestly, at this point I herald the next installment of my dog's daily constitutional emanating from its ass, more-so than I do anything coming out of the fetid mouths of any Republican. | 0Trait Anger
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Attempting to subvert democracy should exempt you from participating in our democracy. | 0Trait Anger
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Hey Ted, everyone still hates you... | 0Trait Anger
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Petulant children need to face consequences. | 0Trait Anger
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I think the smartest and best plan is for anti protesters simply not go to DC on the 6th! We have nothing to protest and are just observers. Let the radicals destroy themselves! | 2Anger Expression
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Instigated by none other than our president and his fascist followers. Crazy times. | 1State Anger
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Donald Trump and all his enablers have blood on their hands for all the violence. | 0Trait Anger
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Imagine risking your life for a politician | 1State Anger
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It’s almost like America is unhappy with the political climate going on. | 2Anger Expression
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Good. Stand united and shut it down. Don’t give any of these fuckers an inch. The facts are all there. Trump had multiple chances to prove he had a case he didn’t. Nothing that’s brought to the floor will be new info. The only senate dem who’s truly in a tricky situation for following the law is Manchin, and he already voted to impeach Trump. If even 2 of Murkowski Collins Sasse or Romney side with you, it’s dead in the Senate too. | 2Anger Expression
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Lol, didn't hear these motherfuckers complain about the Electoral College being unfair when both George W Bush and Cheeto lost the popular vote but got the majority of the EC votes. | 1State Anger
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"rebuke"
>“For a group of my Republican colleagues to claim that they want an additional federal 'commission' to supersede state certifications when the votes have already been counted, recounted, litigated, and state-certified, amounts to nothing more than an attempt to subvert the will of the voters,”
One might describe it as a coup attempt but I think at this point it's
more about subverting the democratic process with an eye toward the next elections. They're trying to normalize it and the best way to respond to that is to loudly call it sedition. Since "treason" is contentious, let's say it is morally treasonous. | 1State Anger
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The ability to order such a commission or delay is impossible under the same law..... A change in law would be required as the Act states January 6 and no new business, motions, or recess is permitted until the counting is complete.
The 12th Amendment is also clear in limiting the role Pence plays:
“The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.”
Nowhere in the 12th Amendment does it even suggest the ability to reject votes, let alone authorize any audit of state votes. The Act itself may not be Constitutional, but the Act as followed now would prohibit what the Republicans are trying to do. | 2Anger Expression
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What's scary is that this final congressional certification process even exists. I always thought it was completely symbolic....but apparently this process can be more than that. What if Republicans controlled the House now (like they did prior to the 2018 Mid-Terms). This final certification process seems to allow a way to let Congress dismiss voters as 'pesky little nuisances' that need to be told what's good for them. | 0Trait Anger
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Part of the problem is that it took mainstream media 3 years to get from trying to appear unbaised to realizing the Republicans are controlled by extremests. | 0Trait Anger
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No, but at least it will take away its wrongful sense of legitimacy. | 2Anger Expression
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The only thing they will reverse it is reversing wealth inequality. It’s the number 2 problem besides climate change, Covid excepted. | 0Trait Anger
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