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How come this news story is repeatedly posted but every news story about donald’s corrupt call to the Georgia Secretary of State gets removed? Can’t find that news story on r/news either. Seems like a big deal.
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He would rather see this country burn than accept defeat or give up his power.
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Who would have thunk Trump would declare war on his own country to stroke his own ego? Oh, wait, shits tons of us did.
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“In an extraordinary rebuke of President Donald Trump, all 10 living former secretaries of defense cautioned Sunday against any move to involve the military in pursuing claims of election fraud, arguing that it would take the country into “dangerous, unlawful and unconstitutional territory.” The 10 men, both Democrats and Republicans, signed on to an opinion article published in The Washington Post that implicitly questioned Trump's willingness to follow his Constitutional duty to peacefully relinquish power on Jan. 20. Following the Nov. 3 election and subsequent recounts in some states, as well as unsuccessful court challenges, the outcome is clear, they wrote, while not specifying Trump in the article. “The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived,” they wrote. The former Pentagon chiefs warned against use of the military in any effort to change the outcome. “Efforts to involve the U.S. armed forces in resolving election disputes would take us into dangerous, unlawful and unconstitutional territory,” they wrote. “Civilian and military officials who direct or carry out such measures would be accountable, including potentially facing criminal penalties, for the grave consequences of their actions on our republic.” A number of senior military officers, including Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, have said publicly in recent weeks that the military has no role in determining the outcome of U.S. elections and that their loyalty is to the Constitution, not to an individual leader or a political party.”
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So it's treason, then.
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Ted Cruz is not a good person.
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>Stop the Steal ... is just as big a branding lie as making America great. It seems trumps slogans are always a statement of the opposite.
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>" I just want to find 11,780 votes" So Georgia has lost 10,616 people to covid. Should be more than enough in a couple days.
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One of the tricks he uses is he will state a lie, the other side flat out refutes it, he immediately changes the subject, minutes later he's back with the same lie again. You could hear what he is looking for in this function when he pointed out that the lawyer was initially strong in his statement and after being battered by trumps confuso-beam sounded less sure. All of trumps tactics are built around wearing the opponents will to fight down. This is what he learned from Joseph Mccarthy's lawyer Roy Cohn. There is no such thing as going too low, you're not trying to win the case, you're trying to wear the opponent down to the point they no longer want to even be involved in the dispute and just walk away. In summary be disgusting and be relentless. This is all trump does ever.
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Is what trump does whenever he's about to do something wrong, says someone else is doing it, then hides behind everyones back and does it himself while they're too busy blaming someone else.
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I wonder how many red states Trump tried and succeeded in getting officials to "find votes." Republicans sure seem to love projection, why wouldn't they be doing it when screaming about a rigged election..
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I listened to the entire hour-long call and it is more shocking than you are imagining. Holy shit
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I highly recommend Timothy Snyder's "On Tyranny" - it's a 120-120-something page guide to how to keep from slipping into a dictatorship.
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Gee, I wonder who it was that put Trump in a position that made him feel empowered and enabled to do so.
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Ok what’s happening behind closed doors? Why are they making this statement and why are they doing it today?
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Cheney and Rumsfeld both signed this. You KNOW shit's fucked up when it's too much for them.
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Remember just like...two weeks ago, an article came out that said he personally called and lobbied 150 republicans? That's a lot of times that he's broken federal election laws! That's a lot of consecutive 5 year prison sentences! https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-throw-election-republicans-b1777377.html
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...they may condemn it publicly, but their actions over the last four years suggest that many are supportive in private.
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> Cruz responded to critics by urging lawmakers "to tone down the rhetoric," per Politico. >"This is already a volatile situation. It's like a tinder box and throwing lit matches into it and so I think the kind of hyperbole we're seeing, the kind of angry language." Trump's gaslighting has been bad the past 4 years, but jesus the audacity of Cruz to say this as he is pouring gasoline on this dumpster fire of an election year is dumbfounding
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> Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) warned opposing the certifying of votes as it could "establish unwise precedents" and "take away the power to choose the president from the people." Really surprised that [Tom "Send In The Troops" Cotton](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protests-military.html) is the voice of reason here.
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Guess who's not getting a Medal of Freedom
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The fact that it’s not all of them disgusts me.
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While, I guess, I can respect the 7 members of the Republican House who refused to come onboard for this, at the same time: it's such a little action in light of how far the GOP has gone and they still manage to attack things like mail-in ballots without cause. And, even worse, the fact that only 7 members are willing to sign up for not overturn a free and fair election really reflects poorly on the Republican party.
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Just 7? Interesting. Can we get a name of the one that do support and next election cycle just run ads about how they supported The Trump Coup.
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So is now the time everyone finally realizes that Trump and his enablers are traitors to the United States and deserve to go to prison? Trump belongs in prison and Trumpism should be treated like the cancerous ideology that it is and be purged from mainstream consciousness the same way Germany purged themselves of Nazism. If we don't do something about this really fucking soon, then all it takes is for Republicans to gain control both houses of Congress and install whoever they want as POTUS and basically end democracy in America. It could happen as soon as 2024. Hell, if they regain the House and keep the Senate in 2022 then what's stopping them from impeaching Biden and Harris on some bullshit charges? What could stop them from removing them both and installing their own Speaker of the House as POTUS until 2024? We're in some seriously dangerous territory here and I truly fear that after all this, if nothing changes, then the very next time the GOP gains control of Congress it's over for America. Edit: I've been reminded that it takes 2/3 vote in the senate to remove from office and the GOP won't be able to get that many seats so my 2022 scenario couldn't happen. Don't worry though, we're still on for 2024.
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We are witnessing the new rise of the confederacy.
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In 2016, 63 million voted for the candidate who said he would only honor the result of the election if he won. In 2020, 74 million voted for him again when he said the same thing. The reason that the Fascists have power is primarily because almost half of voters want to end democracy and just have White minority rule. The co-conspirators amongst the GOP elected officials are acting in response to the desires of that huge voting base.
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All leadership and “entertainment news” anchors at Fox, OANN, Newsmax, etc
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I don't even like Biden but January 20 cannot come soon enough.
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“Efforts to involve the US armed forces in resolving election disputes would take us into dangerous, unlawful and unconstitutional territory,” they wrote. Yes, I think Trump already knows that. Do we think he’s just gonna say, “oh, you’re right! My bad. Didn’t realize, I’ll stop”? Not really the strong messaging I thought.
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Too late losers, You all climbed aboard the Trump ship when you didn't remove him from office after impeachment. You don't get to jump ship now. He's going down and taking your party with him!
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I got curious and took a peek into the Conservative group and they are unbelievable. Their posts about this is that tRump's actions are appropriate and that he never asked to fabricate votes. Even though that's literally what he asked be done. The delusion is never going to be shaken off.
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I don't see any of these stories including my favorite section of the call: >"They're shredding thousands and thousands of ballots. And now they're saying they're just cleaning the office. I don't think that plays." "Mr. President, the problem you have with social media is people can say anything." "No no no, this isn't social media. It's Trump media, it's really not. It's not social media. Social media is Big Tech. Big Tech is on your side. I don't even know why you have a side." That exchange seems revealing in so many ways.
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impeach!
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I have a funny suspicion that GA Secretary of State suspected Trump records conversations of unlawful dealings where Trump capitulated persons to commit unlawful acts or crimes. Then when Trump wants something, he extorts the individual with the recording of their transgressions.
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This is dumb since "amen" is Latin for "So be it".
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I thought it was an old Hebrew word that means "So be it" and has nothing to do with gender. It's pretty nonsensical, really.
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Religion should not be in politics. Any form of it alienates too many and the even modest suggestion that something politically is done in the name of a given God is BS. That said...this is the overtly ridiculous stuff that drives people on the right and even middle nuts with the left
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It is utter stupidity like this that causes others to dislike the far-left. The damn word isn't even related to gender. I am 100% for inclusivity; however, next time, please make sure that when you are trying to be inclusive, it actually has something to do with excluding others.
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This is why we got Trump.
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My god just when you thought things couldn’t get any dumberer leave it to the dems to keep making a joke of themselves.
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As if Ted Cruz has ever acted in good faith.
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Says the traitor.
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Why tf is Newsmax even allowed in this sub Reddit?
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Man in Midst of Hysterical Fit Demands Everyone Else Calm Down.
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How about you back off on the sedition then, Sentient Cruz.
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Why in the Seven Hells does your country start off anything government-related with a prayer. It's really goddamn weird.
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This doesn't make any sense... Amen is a latin word, it means "so be it", and has nothing to do with gender. Should people who want to be gender-inclusive also add to their vocabulary words like acu-woman, regi-woman, se-woman...? Edit: "amen" in latin comes from "amen" in Hebrew
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That's...stupid.
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>’Amen and a-woman’ Holy fucking cringe, great job making institutionalized prayer even fucking worse lol
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Why do mainstream Democrats pander to extremist SJWs with bullshit like this??
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I dont need a book to tell me that
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The Senate was broken from the minute it was conceived. It barely passed by a single vote during the Constitutional Convention, and only after weeks of contentious debate. "Every idea of proportion and every rule of fair representation conspire to condemn a principle, which gives to Rhode Island an equal weight in the scale of power with Massachusetts, or Connecticut, or New York; and to Deleware an equal voice in the national deliberations with Pennsylvania, or Virginia, or North Carolina. Its operation contradicts the fundamental maxim of republican government, which requires that the sense of the majority should prevail. Sophistry may reply, that sovereigns are equal, and that a majority of the votes of the States will be a majority of confederated America. But this kind of logical legerdemain will never counteract the plain suggestions of justice and common-sense. It may happen that this majority of States is a small minority of the people of America; and two thirds of the people of America could not long be persuaded, upon the credit of artificial distinctions and syllogistic subtleties, to submit their interests to the management and disposal of one third. The larger States would after a while revolt from the idea of receiving the law from the smaller." - Alexander Hamilton https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed22.asp
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TLDR: Trump is full of shit
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Hell yeah. As if our corporate neo-imperialism wasn't bad enough, this is something we are doing at home. If you are outraged that blackwater goons murder children in the middle east indiscriminately then be outraged that we purposefully separated children from their parents and put them in horrendous conditions, again on purpose. You know what these people are coming here to escape? The conditions the US helped to create in their own countries.
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Wouldn't it be amazing if Georgia arrested Trump for some [State Election Crime](https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/1345859266733858818)?
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Good. I hope it tears the GOP to shreds to the tune of dozens of lost seats in 2022. The Democrats need to hold this against them for a decade. "The Republican party doesn't believe in democracy. A vote for the GOP is a vote for a party that believes that Congress, not the American people, should be allowed to choose the President."
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Raffensperger is providing the GOP what it means to take seriously their oath of office and placing their state and our nation before Trump or the Party. While I may not agree with his policy positions, I do respect him for how he is carrying out his office. Citizens in Georgia should be proud of how the Security of State is protecting their vote against a man who hates our nation.
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"Trump contests defeat" is very weak language for a supposed reputable news outlet to use when discussing corruption and criminal behavior.
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He did not do bad. Trump did the crime.
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Faces heat... From the loonies.
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I hope that people in Georgia will stand up to the tyrant Trump and defend Raffensperger.
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Let me fix the headline “GA election guardian faces heat after refusing to change the results of the election”
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Like Trump has any concern about the facts
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Sad realization, you can absolutely bullshit your way through an entire presidency and half the country will eat it up.
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TRUMP: “People should be happy to have an accurate count... We have other states I believe will be flipping to us shortly.” Huh. Wonder what he means by that. Maybe we should be investigating the “possibility” that trump has been pressuring other states as well.
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Any Senator who doesn’t vote to certify and objects to the will of the people is committing sedition and should be expelled from the Senate. There is precedents for this.
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So a list of senators to expel from Congress for supporting a coup?
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The mask is off then. The guy is literally the dumbest would-be dictator of all time. The crazy thing is, he thinks he's a fucking genius at it!!!
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When he gets cast out of his role as POTUS on the 20th he should be brought up on charges by the state of Georgia for election fraud and tampering.
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Isn't this the point where his family build him a replica White House and entice him to move into it by jingling a set of keys at him and backing up slowly? If not now, when?
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Surely if the Senate can rush the lifetime appointment of an unqualified dunce, then the House should be able to make quick work of this (second) impeachment of this even more unqualified dunce.
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The irony is that Trump was the one that cheated and committed election fraud all along. He started off cheating by butchering the USPS, in order to sabotage mail in votes because he knew mail in votes skewed toward Democratic voters. He also cheated when he tried to extort Ukraine with US tax payer money, in order to smear Biden, via Biden's son, because he was worried that Biden was the biggest threat to him as a general election opponent. And post election, he is using every underhanded and immoral technique, including criminal conduct, to overturn the election. Trump supporters, you are right. There was election fraud. It was election fraud committed by Trump all along.
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It's not meant to succeed, it's simply another "conservative" carnival sideshow meant to dazzle rubes into buying up some maga merchandise, donating to whatever butthurt *Donnie Did Nothing Wrong* campaign they've cobbled together most recently and it's a way for giggling idiots like Hawley to try and flatter some of Trump's orc army into his service. It's just dumb right-wing showbiz. ***Like always***.
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One can only hope.
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I note that at writing, the increasingly right-leaning RealClearPolitics is maintaining complete silence on the Raffensperger call story, which is interesting as they've already posted their Monday morning compilation of all the "interesting political news" from Sunday. I'm assuming that (1) they're panicking and trying to figure out how to spin this, and (2) hoping to somehow keep the story from reaching Republican voters for 24 hours and affecting the vote.
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One can only hope. All we need in this country is more agonizing years of Mitch McConnell fucking us over at every turn.
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I hope that Trump does intentionally suppress the Republican turnout (more than he already has). And I hope that the GOP loses their senate majority over it. And I hope Trump brags that he lost them their majority because they didn’t back him enough. Because surely that’s going to make his chances of securing the nomination in 2024 just *Excellent*. Fucking idiot.
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Imagine the conflict inside Trump’s head. If either or both Republicans win the GA runoffs, he’ll want to take credit, but it proves the system ISN’T rigged and he’s just a loser. For his ego, it’s slightly better if both candidates lose, because although it shows his endorsements are worthless, it also supports his delusions of rigged elections. PREDICTION: If the results are split, he’ll credit the winner with supporting him sufficiently and the loser of being a disloyal RINO.
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We still need every registered person who hasn’t voted to get out tomorrow and vote! We have to keep these two corrupt, greedy criminals out of congress and take as much power from McConnell as we can take. Adding two dem seats will do that. We turned this state blue! We can win those seats!
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Have we learned nothing? Polls don't matter. It's just a tool to make people think their person is winning so they will not vote.
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If you choose to vote republican, you’re voting for the Trump party. The Republican Party will have to split off eventually so that the neo-trump party can sink its own ship, and we break this two party system. Secondly, if you vote republican, you are perpetuating false narratives that fuel the fire to this cold civil war that’s been brewing in this ever polarized nation.
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>According to the FiveThirtyEight average of head-to-head polls in Georgia, Ossoff and Warnock lead Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue by roughly two percentage points each with 24 hours left until Election Day. >In the weighted average, Ossoff is backed by 49.2 percent of Georgia voters, while Perdue is backed by 47.4 percent. By comparison, Warnock is supported by 49.5 percent of voters, while Loeffler is backed by 47.2 percent. >The narrow leads for the Democratic candidates would fall within the margins of error of most head-to-head polls for the Georgia runoff elections, which tend to hover at around four percentage points.
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Who votes republican? They can’t have any form of decency or honesty. After all that’s happened, after all the horrors visited upon the people by them, from Covid, to serving the very rich. From cruel, warring, hateful bigots, to lying, stupid, anti science zealots. How do they have a following at all? There must be some kind of trance or brainwashing going on.
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He supposedly has a rally today I think. I wonder if he sinks the GOP's ship at the rally and tells Georgians not to vote. Based on the leaked call he's super pissed they the GOP convinced him to endorse Georgia's governor and regrets it.
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Remember, exactly zero polls are used to count votes. Please vote tomorrow.
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When you’ve lost the moral high ground to Donald Rumsfeld, you’ve really fucked up.
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When you have Dick Cheney, the embodiment of evil, signing something telling you not to do it. Then you know shits fucked.
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Did Obama ever provoke all 10 living secretaries of defense into a letter warning him of his actions? No? But both sides are the same? OK....
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Something's up. This is really unusual. Is Trump trying to wag the dog by poking Iran?
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Dear Dick Cheney, I know we've had our differences, but if you want to just step in here at any point we'll let you keep his heart, no questions asked.
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trump repeatedly claimed Obama would start a war w Iran or use the military to not leave office - the orange turd tipped his hat years ago
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I can all but guarantee that this warning won’t even cross his desk. He won’t read it, acknowledge it, nothing. This is the issue here, all this “dire warning” shit means nothing to trump because it’s essentially toothless since he has the DoJ pocketed. He is, at least until he’s dragged from the White House kicking and screaming, basically invincible, and that’s a scary ass situation. I did see that an aircraft carrier had been dispatched to Iran but has now since been told to return to port, so I think he is absolutely going to do something.
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Gulf on Tonkin style incident in 3,2,1.....
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The GOP as a whole is responsible for playing with fire courting the Trump cult and electing a megalomaniac. I hope they get burned.
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