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2007-03-14T19:50:24
Does reading this raise your chances of success?
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mynameishere
2007-03-14T19:51:53
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And vote THIS up if you want there to be user-configurable values via SQL injection exploits:<p>http://news.ycombinator.com/x?fnid="begin;update Skins set Font='Comic Sans' where userName='mynameishere';commit;"
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xx
2007-03-14T19:52:38
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Im kind of a startup person. I run a young company. Lately im reading the news here on a regular basis. Apart from being fun, i dont know if its of any use. What do you think? Did you ever learn something that had a positive impact on your business by reading stuff on the net? Is reading of any use? Or is it all about acting?
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staunch
2007-03-14T19:56:25
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When I'm learning something new I tend to switch back and forth between practice and study. Neither alone seems foster growth as fast as the combination. I think working on your startup counts as practice and this site counts as studying.<p>
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r0b
2007-03-14T20:01:44
Looking for Web-based Political News Infrastructure
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2007-03-14T20:09:37
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Ok, you "learned tons". How much money did you make of it. Or by what measure was it valuable? <p>Maybe you *think* you learned something, while in fact you just spent time entertaining yourself?
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eli
2007-03-14T20:12:10
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I think the more interesting issue is that they're charging money for beta software.<p>(Of course, most things are more interesting than a Vi/Emacs/whatever holy war)
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brett
2007-03-14T20:13:41
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#2 is pretty helpful for me in terms of thinking about the problem. It seems really obvious now, but I tended to think of performance and usability as different buckets each to be optimized on their own. I just thought of better performance of an end to its own (faster stuff is JUST better, right?). Of course the reason performance is important is because it makes things more usable.
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2007-03-14T20:14:26
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iamwil
2007-03-14T20:17:43
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Like everything, it's a balance, right? All study and no practice is just as bad as all practice with no study. And sometimes, if you internalize something that you read, you won't often remember where you read it from, so you think you came up with it yourself.<p>That said, I think it's good to keep yourself in check, since we all probably are pretty voracious readers, and will keep reading, even if it's stuff we already know, just because it's a new article. My recent motto is to produce more than you consume (if it's quality stuff).
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far33d
2007-03-14T20:18:28
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However, a 2003 vintage fund probably has had very few (if any) exits. I would like to understand what exactly the y-axis of this graph models, and how it accounts for performance. Is performance based on the value actually returned to investors (in which case, 2003 and newer funds would be expected to have little or zero return), or the current valuations? <p>There's very little I dislike more than graphs with unlabeled (or ambiguous) axes.
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2007-03-14T20:18:54
Internet Startup Company Links
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staunch
2007-03-14T20:23:46
Dan Bricklin's Log Podcast
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eli
2007-03-14T20:27:07
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Piece of cake.<p>Ok everybody, split into to equal groups. Now, group 2, you're going to have to stop reading. Check back in a year and we'll see which group does better.<p>Edit: On a less snarky note... I don't see how reading different viewpoints about startups could be a bad thing.
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zkinion
2007-03-14T20:28:41
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I like the site. I don't know if its a good place to think up ideas, or to even check if "somebody else is doing it" which doesn't really matter. It is a nice resource to quickly see stuff thats out there. Try to find some good in everything :)<p>
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xx
2007-03-14T20:29:34
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Maybe. But maybe the opposite of all you said is true.<p>Balance might be not good to be "beating the averages". Practice to the extreme might be better. How do you know that balance is better?
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naish
2007-03-14T20:32:23
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or for Mac users: Shift-&#8984;+
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iamwil
2007-03-14T20:32:27
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That's kinda funny. I've always read that passage to mean, those are the types of armies you don't want to be fighting against, since the best victory is victory where you don't have to fight at all and the opposing side just gives up. I never thought of it as advice to put your own people in a corner, so they have no choice but to fight their way out. I suppose morale had better be high, or else instead of "Prepare for glory", one can "prepare for slaughter."
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ynot
2007-03-14T20:32:46
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I love you, eli! You think like me.<p>But one would have to pay me to join the "stop reading" group =)
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staunch
2007-03-14T20:37:20
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I know because I am consistently running up against real issues that involve things I've learned. It has been very helpful, even in the minimal case of providing a frame of reference for making decisions.
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eli
2007-03-14T20:38:14
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Digitized voice calls *are* data. So they might as well run over an IP network.
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eli
2007-03-14T20:41:03
Everything you always wanted to know about mobile web, but were afraid to ask (PDF - Paul Fling's SXSW presentation)
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2007-03-14T20:44:25
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Can you give an example?
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eli
2007-03-14T20:48:29
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Admittedly it's not quite the same without, ya know, the audio. But Paul knows his stuff. He also wrote the new Web Developers Best Practices Guide for dotMobi domains: http://www.blueflavor.com/blog/mobile/dotmobi_mobile_web_developers_guide.php
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2007-03-14T20:49:02
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Agreed. Storing more email helps to target their ads, and most users will never use the full amount of space. Also, at the rate that storage gets cheaper they are able to continually increase the limits. It's like the problem that Amazon had with excess servers, they had so much infrastructure that they needed something else to do with it, to fix the problem they started the EC2 and S3 programs. Gmail could serve the same kind of purpose for Google.
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semigeek
2007-03-14T20:49:30
Manager Tools - Helping you become a more effective manager and leader
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dawie
2007-03-14T20:50:05
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It doesn't lower your changes..
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veritas
2007-03-14T20:52:00
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Not true. Practicing incessantly will make you excellent in one category. Reading, learning and continually evolving will make you better across several. <p>I can stick my head in the sand and keep programming PHP, but thanks to the web and reading, I have an interest in design, AJAX, and most of all Ruby on Rails. You can choose to be insanely good at one thing, or just good at several. I'll take the latter since its more flexible.
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staunch
2007-03-14T20:53:07
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Joe Kraus' emphasis on "make what you measure" convinced me to start measuring some specific metrics in more detail. The end result was boosted numbers in some of my performance/growth stats.<p>The most valuable things I've learned from other entrepreneurs are principles and methodologies. I apply them over and over again as I face specific issues.
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msgbeepa
2007-03-14T20:53:17
How To Find Interesting Events In Your Area
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Readmore
2007-03-14T21:00:17
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Oh no. Don't let this be what keeps you in Windows land. Switch to Mac just because it's better in every way, you won't regret it.
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2007-03-14T21:01:42
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Being excellent in one thing is often cited as a key factor to success. For example by Google: www.google.com/corporate/tenthings.html "It's best to do one thing really, really well"<p>What insights do you have to proove the makers of the most successful tech startup wrong?
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2007-03-14T21:02:06
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Proof?
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bluemoo
2007-03-14T21:04:47
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If the text looks grey on a grey background, you might be using firefox. The site is much more readable on IE. Not that you should have to change.
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staunch
2007-03-14T21:10:46
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Guy said Garage is a $20 million fund. Other VCs do single deals for more than that. I think he's a straight shooter with upper VC stardom written all over him.<p>His interview with Venture Voice talked a lot about Garage and he was very candid:<p>http://www.venturevoice.com/2006/10/vv_show_39_guy_kawasaki_of_gar.html
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ginn
2007-03-14T21:12:08
Would Y Combinator frown upon your team if your members developed side projects for fun/hobby? Would it be considered lack of focus?
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ginn
2007-03-14T21:14:55
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My team members enjoy creating things for the hell of it because it's fun. The application asked if we had built anything else. A lot of the things we are building is almost entering beta stage. I would say maybe 3 of the projects. We built it because it was fun to build.<p>We're concerned that Y combinator may think that we lack focused if we shared the projects on our applications. Should we or shouldn't we list the other projects we developed for fun?
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python_kiss
2007-03-14T21:16:04
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Variety of ideas are indicative of the plasticity of mind. Rest assured, this is something YC will see as a good thing. Go ahead and list them.
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domp
2007-03-14T21:16:21
How Last.FM began and how mashups made it possible
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2007-03-14T21:17:05
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Ok, there we have a first example!
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2007-03-14T21:18:19
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Well, it costs time, right?
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domp
2007-03-14T21:20:36
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I loved this article. It covers how a website can start with no clear vision and have the social community direct what it ultimately becomes <p>They also have a pretty positive outlook on their biggest competitor, Pandora, who they also see as a friend in spreading their products reach.
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PindaxDotCom
2007-03-14T21:21:57
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Raises your chances of success? Don't leave your success to chance. Hardwork and perserverance. Sure, a lil luck wouldn't hurt, but don't count on it.<p>As for this site, its fun to read. Keep a critical mind though, because there simply is no magic formula, no hard and fast rules. As Morpheus might say "The rules can be bent, sometimes broken".
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sszhou
2007-03-14T21:25:47
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I must say I was pleasantly surprised to find my startup profiled :) thx for the find msgbeepa
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nostrademons
2007-03-14T21:26:21
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Reading and keeping up with the news is kinda odd. 99% of what you read is absolutely useless. It will never make a difference in what you do, and you'll probably never use it. However, that remaining 1% can save you *huge* amounts of time or open up massive opportunities.<p>Just a couple examples where procrastination has changed my life.<p>When I was 16, my family went shopping at the Tanger 2 supermall in Riverhead NY. I hate shopping. So, I did what I normally do: I found a bookstore, grabbed an interesting book, curled up on the floor, and read half of it by the time my parents got back. On that particular occasion, the book was "Learn Java 1.0.2 in 7 days" or some other tripe like that, the year was 1997, and the Java wave was just taking off. One book led to a second and third, and then a whole shelf full, and eventually an internship at MITRE corporation.<p>While on the job, I was asked to learn Perl. A couple years later, immediately after high school graduation, my math teacher's wife was starting a company and had an immediate need for some Perl programming. In the year I spent at that company, I got to experience a dot-com run exclusively by teenagers, 3 different business plans, all the tribulations of a startup, and eventually an ugly VC takeover.<p>While slacking off at that company because I had no work to do, I found Fanfiction.net and the Harry Potter fandom. I read a whole bunch of fics, then my workload picked up again and I promply forgot about it. I went back to it during college, and ended up joining FictionAlley.org, which was just starting at the time. Over the 4 years that I volunteered for FA, I saw it grow from 2,000 registered users to 100,000 registered users, from one machine to three, had my first experience managing teams of software developers and got to take my first major project from conception to completion.<p>Separate thread - at an internship after my freshman year, I was goofing off at work and reading Ward's Wiki. I ended up getting pretty involved in housekeeping there after the internship ended, and struck up a few friendships. One of them led *directly* to the startup I'm currently employed at, via a couple of internships.<p>Now that I'm co-founding a startup of my own, I'm finding that all the different internships and threads and so on pull together. I know what to expect in terms of growing a community. I've had experience with 2-3 different technology stacks (and found they all suck ;-), but at least that led me to one I'm reasonably happy with). I know all about scaling concerns and breaking an app out over multiple boxes. I've got some experience in judging whether a business model will fly or not. (I think our business model sucks, BTW, and really doubt it'll get us off the ground, but we've gotta start somewhere.)<p>All of this came, in some way or another, from procrastination.<p>Incidentally, running a startup seems much the same way. The vast majority of stuff you do is worthless, but the 1% that pays off really pays off big. Unfortunately, you have no way of knowing what that 1% is until you try it. People talk about how Bill Gates got lucky with the IBM deal - the thing is, Microsoft had a zillion balls in the air at the time, and if they hadn't gotten lucky with IBM they might very well have gotten lucky elsewhere.
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2007-03-14T21:27:17
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You can start a startup without chance of failure? How many did you do so far?
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paul
2007-03-14T21:37:17
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What is your startup?
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2007-03-14T21:41:19
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Well, this is a manifesto to do stuff. You give examples, how stuff can lead to other stuff. Thats fine. But its not specific to reading startupblogs, is it?
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jamiequint
2007-03-14T21:43:46
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Reading opens your mind to new things. Just because you can't see the direct effect reading has on your thoughts doesn't mean it has no effect. It gives you better perspective so you can see things from a different point of view.<p>Reading has different values other than perspective as well, it gives you conversation capital so you can better relate to others.<p>Obviously for reading to be valuable in these ways you have to read the "right things." I tend to prefer books over blogs if I'm trying to learn something specific (but blogs are great for keeping up on current events and getting different perspectives than the mainstream media), because it gives you focus and a single thing to remember. How many blog posts can you remember from a month ago?
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sethjohn
2007-03-14T21:46:31
Frank Peters Show 100th episode; podcast interviews with entrepreneurs, VCs, etc.; more useful than an MBA!
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richcollins
2007-03-14T21:49:27
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People don't usually know what they want. It is your job to figure it out based on the available information and then give it to them.<p>Perhaps this would be useful to those ends; but I would not take what people say to be what they literally want.
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Leonidas
2007-03-14T22:06:21
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I would say list them because it shows your team's ability to innovate. Besides, if Y doesn't like the one you submitted, they might like the other ones.<p>Cheers
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2007-03-14T22:07:30
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Maybe the outsiders can add value to what your team lacks.
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davidw
2007-03-14T22:15:56
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What's the cool way, "be 37 signals" ?
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greendestiny
2007-03-14T22:29:30
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As long as the 53,651 are actually interested in using it, not just having a look or thinking about the startup behind it. I imagine thats the problem with traffic from places like techcrunch.
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jasonyan
2007-03-14T22:52:46
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I had been using Komodo for the last few months which is a nice IDE, but this looks promising.<p>I've tarballed the latest bundles from their repository and renamed all ":?*\\|" characters to DOS friendly characters, if you want to try out a bundle that isn't included with E. You can grab it from: http://www.bigheadlabs.com/~jason/Bundles.tar.gz
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amichail
2007-03-14T23:05:15
Founders at Work p. 392 James Currier encourages you to lie to VCs!
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groksoup
2007-03-14T23:06:37
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Because you rarely have a full team.
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amichail
2007-03-14T23:07:05
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"Well, of course you sometimes have to exaggerate. If you think there are three places where you can get a lease, then you just say you have a lease so you can move to the next step. You've got to say you are a step ahead of where you actually are to move to the step that you want to be at.<p>To move to step two, people have to believe that you're already at step two so there's no risk for them. Because they don't want to take on your risk -- you have to take it all on. And then you have to take on the risk of fibbing."
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Readmore
2007-03-14T23:33:52
Overview of Rails hosting options from a Rails dev
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bootload
2007-03-14T23:36:02
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'... I would say list them because it shows your team's ability to innovate. ...'<p>And I would say put a watch on them because their focus on their prime tasks may drop. If you are putting in your 100% where will you get the extra time?
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brett
2007-03-14T23:48:05
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It can't be that cut and dry. Creative people tinker with stuff. You want creative people. Obviously there is a point where side projects interfere with what you are trying to get done, but a "if you're working on anything else you're not giving 100%" attitude seems very short sighted.
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bootload
2007-03-14T23:48:53
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'... fonts bigger ...'<p>In Fox, "Ctrl +' for bigger and 'Ctrl -' for smaller<p>'... and visited links darker ...'<p>good point in Fox de-select, "Edit-Firefox preferences-Content-Colors-Allow pages to choose their own colors, instead of my selections" will change the link colours but also the background.<p>
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brett
2007-03-14T23:53:58
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yeah i could have phrased that title better.
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brett
2007-03-14T23:59:25
Ask the Wizard: Too Many Companies??
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pg
2007-03-15T00:01:01
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We like people who work on things for fun because it shows they really like hacking. That's why we have a question on the application form asking "what cool things have you built?" On the other hand, if someone were spending time on side projects during the first few months of their startup, that would be a bad sign.
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pg
2007-03-15T00:03:45
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It ought to. Among other things, one ought to get first wind of new trends (including potential competitors) on a site like this.
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smackemsJohnson
2007-03-15T00:10:20
dogs not supportive of open source
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benatkin
2007-03-15T00:11:01
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I think it's a good idea to target the early adopters. If you don't, you risk basing your product on old technology.
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danw
2007-03-15T00:25:02
YC News UK meet up - 15th March, London
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nickb
2007-03-15T00:28:07
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On the surface it might look like TextMate but after trying to use it for about 10 min, it fails to live up to this moniker. It doesn't do 20% of what TM does. <p>Note: I use TM to edit the RoR files.
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danw
2007-03-15T00:30:51
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I'll be at opencoffee club and London 2.0 later today (March 15th). If any YC news users are in London and feel like meeting up then come along!<p>Open coffee: http://entrepreneur.meetup.com/1056/?gj=sj3<p>London 2.0: http://upcoming.org/event/154671/
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AlfredNgeno
2007-03-15T00:34:11
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I'll be there Dan,...so thats 2 of us...anyone else??
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amichail
2007-03-15T00:50:25
"We're more likely to fund people we know are smart from their submissions and comments on YC Startup News." So you won't look at our votes, right?
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amichail
2007-03-15T00:50:59
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The way people vote on submissions and comments can be revealing as well, but you won't check those right?
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volida
2007-03-15T00:57:14
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exploiting the top comment :)<p>my only request is that my comments that received reply could have a different color so that i know they were replied because I missed reading replies on time.
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msgbeepa
2007-03-15T01:01:36
Animate the loading of your site like it was web 2.0
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euccastro
2007-03-15T01:03:23
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I agree, with some nuances.<p>"People know what they want, but people also want what they don't know." - Gilberto Gil<p>People know what they want- when they see it.<p>They may not be very good at telling you where their itch/pain is out of the blue. They may be taking it for granted and not even feeling it anymore. But if you just start scratching/massaging _somewhere_, you'll get useful "more to the left, no, a bit more up- THERE- AAaaaahh!" feedback. If you're so out of touch that they will push you away rather than steer you into the right spots, well, that's useful info too.<p>I don't imagine that feedback will be coming easy unless there's the prospect of an almost immediate solution (I'm less likely to discuss back itches on the phone). Your idea, as I understand it, offers a slim chance that each specific problem will be addressed, and even in that case the solution is months away.<p>Filtering people out isn't necessarily bad. This may help in identifying problems that hurt a lot. What you probably want, though, is problems that hurt lots of people.<p>Having something like what you propose would be better than not having it, and I don't want to discourage you from the idea. Just don't expect it to replace "trying to guess what many people would want."
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python_kiss
2007-03-15T01:06:13
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It depends on how you use this site. You might've noticed how the top users tend to post articles and spark interesting discussions while new users tend to post news. As a startup founder, you are more interested in analytical articles rather than news. For news, you might be better off subscribing to other sites for a larger scope (i.e. TechCrunch, Mashable, GigaOm, and KillerStartups). There is no shortage of news.<p>Good analytical articles, however, require that users swipe through their rss feeds, find an interesting piece, and post it here. The value of yc.news, in my opinion, is in the articles that other startup founders find interesting. And that alone makes this place worth your time.
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zaidf
2007-03-15T01:10:29
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In the last week of 2006 and couple weeks before the launch of our site, I had what I thought was a great idea(thankyou2006.com). I shared the idea with my partner, he liked it, we worked on it for a day and launched it.<p>I had to break my own promise to not work on anything else. And it made me a little nervous that this might cause the distraction we didn't need few weeks before our launch. <p>Keys:<p>1. Know your and your team's limits from past experience. What has happened in past when you worked on side projects? <p>2. Find some angle where the side project has the potential to compliment your primary company. In our case, if the side project it would have given us some much-needed $$$s for our main start-up.<p>--Zaid
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euccastro
2007-03-15T01:12:41
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I see two challenges in this idea:<p> - to make a darcs-like tool intuitive to non tech types (lest you filter them out), and<p> - to represent such specs so the system can track them while keeping them palatable for humans.
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bhb
2007-03-15T01:12:43
Is Y Combinator right for your startup?
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pg
2007-03-15T01:31:50
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Maybe it's time I finally explained the math of taking investment. You should give up n% of your company iff (not a typo) what you'll get in return for it will increase the value of the remaining (100 - n)% enough to put you net ahead.<p>So in the case of YC, you should trade us 6% of your co if you think that the money plus whatever else we add will increase your average outcome by 7%. (.94 x 1.07 &gt; 1) Do we increase the average outcome of the startups we fund by 7%? I think few would say we didn't. I'd guess we at least double the outcome for the average startup.
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reitzensteinm
2007-03-15T01:38:53
Filmloop "Betrayed By Investors"
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http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/12/filmloop-betrayed-by-investors/
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reitzensteinm
2007-03-15T01:39:08
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Sounds like a great story, but what's really going on here? Surely there's a side that isn't presented. Everyone in the comments is talking about how evil the VC firm is, but the outcome wasn't exactly great for them, either. Their interests should be at least loosely coupled with those of the founders (different risk/return rate preferences for sure, but that doesn't make shutting down promising companies profitable). It's not like they screwed the founders over and made a tidy profit, from the figures available it was more like stemming the bleeding of a cash hungry company that wasn't really going anywhere.<p>So if what they did is evil, what was their motivation? Killing FilmLoop to increase the other companies chance of success? Bumping up their fund statistics by trying to call it a liquidity event? Either could explain the short deadline for liquidation, which otherwise doesn't really make sense. Anyone know more about this?
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lupin_sansei
2007-03-15T01:48:08
Microsoft Retires Visual J#
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dawie
2007-03-15T01:48:32
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It sounds like you guys are already on your way. I guess in 6 month's time you can join YC if you need. I have always wondered if you could join YC at a later stage. When your company is already up and running
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onebeerdave
2007-03-15T01:49:23
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onebeerdave
2007-03-15T01:50:03
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I wish TechCrunch commenters would read this.
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jl
2007-03-15T01:51:57
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Yes, a bunch of startups in the winter funding cycle were already up and running.
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pg
2007-03-15T02:14:14
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We see them; you have to if you want to catch abuses like voting rings and sockpuppets. But I can't actually remember any votes, no.
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pg
2007-03-15T02:16:08
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SQL injection? You'd need something more like alist injection.
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gustaf
2007-03-15T02:25:40
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for us it was simpler then that, we just tried to answer the question, how do I easily add photos to my myspace-page from my mobile phone or other sources. stay tune for more exciting features though<p>
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gustaf
2007-03-15T02:26:42
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there are a couple of people who've tried this before. simplicity is key, and I'm not saying heysan is simple in every way, but we just try harder than some others
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gustaf
2007-03-15T02:27:42
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you mean without having a myspace account? you can always grab the embed code if you want
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gustaf
2007-03-15T02:32:14
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thanks for your feedback! <p>1. Valid critique. We're working on it but didn't imagine many user reading it at this point.<p>2. We'd love to try OpenID but it's complicated concept for many users. You can totally create a slideshow without giving us your email, today. If you give us your email we'll auto-post it to myspace so you don't have to<p>3. Look out for changes here<p>4. On the roadmap for the next couple of weeks<p>5. Yep<p>6. Agree, it's a question of how much time we had at that point. <p>thanks again!<p>/Gustaf
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brett
2007-03-15T02:32:17
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I understand the timing thing. The Y Combinator schedule is rigid, it's not always going to fit your situation perfectly. After that though, the rest of the downsides listed just seem like quibbling compared to the list of upsides.
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dfranke
2007-03-15T02:42:46
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That math assumes that the only two options on the table are either accept funding from YC or don't accept funding at all. The benefit you get from multiple investors is not orthogonal because you get diminishing returns from extra funding and because of the potential (for better or for worse) for interplay between investors. So, if you have a different investor offering you different terms (or even the potential for such), as is more likely to be the case for a more established startup, then things get more complicated than that simple cost-benefit analysis.
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zaidf
2007-03-15T02:49:22
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I already suggested alternating row colors on all news list pages.<p>-Zaid
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r0b
2007-03-15T02:49:54
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Yes, they had 53K a year ago, and now they have over 300K<p>Doesn't that prove the post wrong? Clearly those 53K were a very powerful group...
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