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python_kiss
2007-03-04T02:48:55
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Read/WriteWeb is a great blog. I recommend that anyone interested in startups should subscribe to Richard's rss. He usually writes analytical articles on startups (very different from TC, Mashable, GigaOm, etc). Enjoy,
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python_kiss
2007-03-04T02:53:02
STEVE BALLMER: "I'll be US president in 2008."
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likebetter
2007-03-04T02:55:25
New Ycombinator startup Pairwise of sites Likebetter
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python_kiss
2007-03-04T02:59:48
The Top 5 Pros and Cons of the Web 2.0
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likebetter
2007-03-04T03:06:57
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Wow it is so fun and a really addictive<p>http://cutepairmatch.blogspot.com
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Alex3917
2007-03-04T03:07:00
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Yes, I'm currently working on two separate books in this application and a bunch of other things. I've found that it actually lets you have more complex ideas than you would be able to have by starting with an outline (or god forbid just freewriting). The idea is that writing should be about ideas, and words are only there to express your ideas. Because of this it doesn't make sense to start putting pen to paper until you figure out what you believe. And it's a lot easier to figure out what you believe what you can drag and drop pure ideas around instead of mucking around with text. <p>Concept maps are another tool that lets you do this, but since writing is fundamentally either flat or hierarchical in terms of how you express ideas, I think mindmaps work better. (Concept maps are essentially like thinking in 3D, which becomes a problem when you need to translate your 3D ideas into 2D writing. Also, a lot of concept maps end up with really murky causality, which kind of defeats the whole point which is to clean up your thinking.)
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likebetter
2007-03-04T03:07:17
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herdrick
2007-03-04T03:20:23
Joel Spolsky talks office space; might rent to startups.
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fesund
2007-03-04T03:27:15
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How many guys will do hotornot really :P
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fesund
2007-03-04T03:27:40
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Guess will be a massive hit among the college crowd<p>http://morecute.com/?channel=46
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fesund
2007-03-04T03:27:57
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Google sucks man - they cant stop talking they are pos
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fesund
2007-03-04T03:28:13
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basically <p>http://morecute.com/?channel=46
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danielha
2007-03-04T03:28:17
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User 'likebetter' seems to be a representative of morecute.com (YC-backed likebetter.com's competitor).<p>It seems they've been trolling about the net causing the real Pairwise team some headaches. More info here: http://blog.pairwise.com/2007/02/19/on-being-stalked-by-a-fellow-startup-an-open-letter-to-morecutecom/<p>(summary: this is spam, guys.)
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joshwa
2007-03-04T03:32:02
Social Networking's Next Phase
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joshwa
2007-03-04T03:35:15
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I've been using this to map out ideas for my startup, too...
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zaidf
2007-03-04T03:36:45
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Because I don't feel like doing anything else.<p>-Zaid
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pg
2007-03-04T04:14:36
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Did you not notice that we use nofollow links?
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likebetter
2007-03-04T04:22:56
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Wow this is so kewl... This stuff does work.. Good job Paul graham... Google doesnt respect nofollow ;) We do not make software to get links - we make real useful software OK
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jwecker
2007-03-04T04:24:08
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And (for me) to create something beautiful. The products; the processes and machinery of the business; the carefully crafted image; the thriving corporate culture; the systems for watching the market, the competition, and the systems for maximizing the money that you and your employees can thrive on. To see someone you've never met seriously passionate about your product. To be able to craft and share the results of your imagination- having a piece of yourself in the hands of thousands- enriching their lives and creating opportunities for them.<p>All of it created with sweat and anxiety, most aspects failing at some point and being brought back from the brink. I can't think of a more complex system to build- needing inspiration and creativity and luck in so many disciplines- with unlimited capacity when you finally get it right.
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likebetter
2007-03-04T04:27:13
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Well kewl now we have a ground to discuss it Danielha it is not spam... Please read what Likebetter does.. it sues Morecute.com :) This is the internet. if you want to know what really happened... look at morecute and then likebetter...
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likebetter
2007-03-04T04:29:39
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and we are making cool stuff and innovative things that likebetter is not doing.. likebetter is ajax bait for VCs period... We have a real product Compare alexa ranks http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=morecute.com http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=likebetter<p>And no one invented photos and links - Tim Berners Lee did... just stop hogging the net will ya.. it is a free world... if you like Morecute jus play on
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Alex3917
2007-03-04T04:30:54
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Beautiful.
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jwecker
2007-03-04T04:35:35
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I think it looks great. Well done taking the concept and getting it to the "just right" stage without overdoing it. The start page/index is perfect- in 5 seconds I know pretty much what it does and whether or not it's something that I've been waiting for.<p>Does anyone over there mind if I ask what the plans are for monetization? Paid subscriptions at some point? Tie-ins with other financial institutions like credit card companies? Ads? (it looks like too clean of a site for that, but I'm sure you could make it work if that's the plan).
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dfranke
2007-03-04T04:41:14
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So is the idea basically to integrate social networking with computer networking by letting you associate your network identity with your real-world identity? That sounds a lot like UNIX finger. Considering that many people, myself included, still maintain .plan files despite the small number of people who know what they are or how to access them, I guess that's not a bad idea.
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jwp
2007-03-04T04:44:55
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From what I can tell a lot of this CF stuff starts with a machine learning algorithm and data about likes/dislikes, making filtering a classification or search task. Is there something that differentiates it from the usual machine learning challenges? Like dealing with users interactively, perhaps?
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brett
2007-03-04T04:46:57
Greenspun's ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up
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ashu
2007-03-04T05:03:30
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This is Ashwin - one of Buxfer's founders. Glad you liked the look of the site. <p>We do allow you to import transactions from your bank and credit card accounts - provided they are in Quicken or Microsoft Money format. Integrating directly with banks is on the cards as well. <p>One of our goals (besides tracking shared expenses) is to be able to better reason about cash transactions. Our experience as students indicated we spent close to 30% of our income(!) on coke and coffee combined. To capture all these little transactions, we allow reporting expenses via text-messages. (More ways coming soon!) Ultimately the goal is to understand *all* your expenses completely at a central location.
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mynameishere
2007-03-04T05:04:21
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I could use something which cost about 1/10th what this knife did to the same end. But it's handmade...<p>Amazon has those knives at 55 dollars. Maybe he's using a different model, but you aren't going to get a handcrafted knife for 55 dollars. It would take at least a day to make from raw materials, and that's not much of a salary in France.
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akkartik
2007-03-04T05:19:10
Hedlund's startup ideas: "..find an old UNIX command that hasn't yet been implemented on the web.."
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omarish
2007-03-04T05:24:37
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Despite the fact that we're coders, we're not necessarily smart.<p>But at the same time, I think that what makes us capable of pursuing startups is our potential to learn quickly. That's one of the best traits to search for in a partner. Running a startup is difficult. Having somebody who can adapt quickly is more important than someone who's smart and static.
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ashu
2007-03-04T05:29:06
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Your guesses are pretty accurate. And ordered from most - least preferable. :) We'd really hate to place ads particularly if they reduce usability and cleanliness of the site.
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jamiequint
2007-03-04T06:10:21
PowerPoint is Evil - Lessons from Edward Tufte
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papersmith
2007-03-04T06:18:12
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By having our works exposed to the market, we get direct feedbacks that erase some of our delusions we have about ourselves, so we can have peace of mind and don't live the rest of our lives unconsciously envy those who we perceive to be less capable than us.
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rami
2007-03-04T06:34:35
To Do List, Making GTD a bit easier
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papersmith
2007-03-04T06:34:49
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I read "Good to Great", it's an awesome book for mature companies, but not really relevant for startups. Though never mentioned, I can sort of see Google fitting the profile of an up-and-coming "great company" according to the author's definition (one that will beat the market over the long term).
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abstractbill
2007-03-04T06:52:52
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"Ultimately the goal is to understand *all* your expenses completely at a central location."<p>That's an excellent goal to have. Full integration of bank and credit card accounts would definitely be important for me.<p>The following may be outside of the scope of your product, but I would love to have a system that knew my finances and goals so well that it could give me useful advice such as "start buying product A, which you seem to use a lot of, in bulk from store B", "use the savings you have in account X to reduce the debt you have on credit card Y", "apply for this savings account that has a higher interest rate than the one you have now", etc. Such a system would have to understand things like credit cards that are zero-percent for a given period of time and so on. It would probably also need to know my credit rating so that it could guess what credit card offers I could realistically apply for.<p>To make this a little more concrete, my fiancee and I have spent a lot of time recently trying to figure out how we should best combine our various debts and assets. It's been very boring to be honest - lots of comparing interest rates that seems like it could be automated.<p>Good luck anyway!
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papersmith
2007-03-04T06:54:43
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He should've worn black.
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keizo
2007-03-04T07:06:00
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Congrats guys. I had the same idea last summer, started to implement it and then never bothered to finish it. What you guys have looks good. Safari support would be nice though.
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davidw
2007-03-04T07:13:14
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Can't we just take Paul Graham's writings as a given here? Is there anyone who is not aware of them? Perhaps this site itself should link here:<p>http://ycombinator.com/lib.html<p>Edit: never mind, it's already linked at the bottom of the page.
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johnlongawa642
2007-03-04T07:35:14
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I've spent the last two decades making other people rich. I've worked on cool stuff but been ordered to do dumb things. Yeah, I got patents and promotions but the time I spent preparing for them, or implementing DRM or copy protection could have been better spent making better products. I want to make myself rich this time (or at least a little better off) by focusing on something that someone really needs - not a fickle consumer, but a business customer who will pay to be able to do something faster or cheaper or with more precision, or to do something that wasn't previously possible. A month ago I walked and I'm not looking back.
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papersmith
2007-03-04T07:36:27
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"The funniest thing is that investment banks hire based on GPA even though there is zero correlation between GPA and alpha, and alpha is 100% of your job performance. "<p>No wonder so many high profile mutual funds can't even beat the index.
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plinkplonk
2007-03-04T07:42:19
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Hi, What web framework are you guys using? Rails? Django? something else?<p>(Awesome product btw)
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ashu
2007-03-04T07:47:58
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Just object-oriented PHP. No framework, yet.
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davidw
2007-03-04T07:50:57
Stuff To Do - prioritize and share tasks, time tracking (beta)
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davidw
2007-03-04T07:51:48
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Still quite beta, doesn't work with IE, but I think I have hit on a few good ideas with it. It's certainly an area with a lot of competitors though, so I'm not sure how far I'll take it. Thoughts?
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davidw
2007-03-04T07:53:04
ShopList - mobile phone shopping list that's actually usable
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http://shoplist.dedasys.com
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pictperf
2007-03-04T07:56:33
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My company recently went through layoffs and it seems that the only people who got canned were the ones who have been there for 15+ years. These layoffs didnt seem to be performance based. They seemed to be "size of pay check" based ( people who have been there longer obviously make more money that the newer people). I don't want to be the "guy who got laid off" in 10 years time ( I've been there for 6 yrs). I want to make enough money to be able to decide whether or not I have to work, and not be forced to be "code monkey" for a large company, that won't even bat an eyelid when its time for them to show me the door.
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davidw
2007-03-04T07:57:32
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I was quite happy with this application and am thinking a lot about what other interesting things could be done with a fusion of mobile phones and the web...<p>Most of the j2me shopping lists are crap because who in their right mind would want to sit around typing in a shopping list via a phone's keypad?
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davidw
2007-03-04T08:04:39
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I want to make stuff that doesn't suck with people that don't suck, and I want a piece of the risk and rewards.
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danielha
2007-03-04T08:09:38
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I just wanted to compliment your use of third party APIs for authentication. This definitely helps that initial adoption barrier.<p>How do you guys feel about OpenID?
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danielha
2007-03-04T08:10:28
Forbes Special Report on Achievement
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danielha
2007-03-04T08:11:56
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I've only had the chance to read two of the articles but they were nice reads. I recommend the article "We're all Failures."
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danielha
2007-03-04T08:18:18
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Simple and nifty. I'm already accustomed to typing out a shopping list (or whatever else I need to remember) on the PC and texting that to my mobile. <p>But you're right; the most interesting aspect of this is the fetch from the service's server. I've been exploring ways to tinker with such an integration but I haven't gotten anything just yet. This makes me want to look into it again.
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jwecker
2007-03-04T08:20:31
Resources to get from Idea to In Business
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jwecker
2007-03-04T08:24:41
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"The most common regrets all shared one trait: inaction."<p>Nice
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jwecker
2007-03-04T08:30:09
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Cool simple little tool, but it has only a very tentative relationship to GTD (which, for example, organizes by context, and not by priority).
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jwecker
2007-03-04T08:36:32
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top -- reddit.com<p>yah I'm a dork
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python_kiss
2007-03-04T08:37:17
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"This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time." While we are at it, we might as well create something beautiful. YouTube, Google, and MySpace managed to change the very lifestyles of its users; if you could build something that amazing, why wouldn't you? :)<p>Whatever we do here will eventually be lost in time. And those who do remember our dream, they too will inevitably perish. To me, creating something of great value to others is the only reason why we even matter. Besides that, our worth is simply that of the atoms that make us.<p>Put simply. a startup is my opportunity to change the world.
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davidw
2007-03-04T08:46:54
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I think that while it's obvious there are some advantages to working with someone that does other things (sales/marketing/finance), one of the reasons why I find myself agreeing that it's best to work with another techie is that it makes the relationship easier. It's easy to wonder if someone else is working as hard as you if you're the one coding the entire system and they're just supposed to sell it or market it. I suppose the opposite is true too... how does the non techie know that you're capable of doing what you dream up? In a relationship that needs to be very trusting, perhaps it's just easier if everyone speaks the same language and works on similar things. It's also easier to divvy up the money and control if it's obvious to everyone what their role is.
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danielha
2007-03-04T08:58:15
Reuters to Create Online Financial Community Site
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jwecker
2007-03-04T09:00:05
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dupe. I thought these were automatically getting caught?<p>http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=1884
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jamiequint
2007-03-04T09:12:44
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notes from the Tufte conference if you are interested (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;files.jamiequint.com&#x2F;tuftenotes.txt" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;files.jamiequint.com&#x2F;tuftenotes.txt</a>) Its only the second half unfortunately - they don&#x27;t give you a place to plug in your laptop?! - and I always lose loose paper notes.
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jwecker
2007-03-04T09:16:35
Google Trends (Very useful, for those who don't already use it)
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jamiequint
2007-03-04T09:19:25
The Future of Small Business
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jwecker
2007-03-04T09:22:15
50 Beautiful CSS-Based Web-Designs in 2006
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dfranke
2007-03-04T09:22:53
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I want fdisk for the internet.
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likebetter
2007-03-04T09:31:46
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why is this dead... ?
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python_kiss
2007-03-04T09:41:04
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I haven't read "The Halo Effect" yet, but in my opinion, the book "Good to Great" was excellent. Unfortunately, that book was not of much help for my own startup since it was written for well established corporations (such as GE, Microsoft, etc) and not small time startups. But great book nonetheless :)<p>- Jawad Shuaib
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ecuzzillo
2007-03-04T09:46:13
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Probably the problem is just the color scheme; it's fruit salad.
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python_kiss
2007-03-04T10:12:21
Tech lessons learned from the wisdom of crowds
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python_kiss
2007-03-04T10:17:15
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It won't be useful for new startups since there isn't enough "volume" to create a trend.<p>It is, however, an interesting tool for observing on going patterns. Here is a trend I tried with "Web 2.0" and "Digg": http://google.com/trends?q=Web+2.0%2C+Digg&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
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python_kiss
2007-03-04T11:33:33
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A very interesting bit from the article:<p>"Microsoft: When Todd Proebsting, director of Microsoft's Center for Software Excellence, tested a prediction market internally, managers quickly gave it their blessing.<p>The goal: to have 25 members of a development team predict when a Microsoft product would ship (this was an internal product, not one sold externally). The prediction market was set up in August 2004, and the product that "had been in the works for a long time" was scheduled to ship in November 2004. <p>Each "trader" received $50 in their account to start with, and was told that the more accurate their prediction, the more money they would make. The market opened with an initial price of on-time delivery set to 16 2/3 cents.<p>"The price of 'before November' dropped to zero right away," Proebsting said. "The price of 'on time' in about two to three minutes dropped to 2.3 cents on the dollar." Translated, that's more than 30-to-1 odds against on-time delivery.<p>Then the woman who was responsible for scheduling started trying to convince her colleagues who were buying and selling future delivery dates. "She was able to talk (on-time delivery) up to around 3 cents," Proebsting said. "People really enjoyed moving the price...They loved this."<p>"The next day the director comes into my office and said, 'What have you done?'" Proebsting said. But further investigation showed that the product actually was behind schedule, even though nobody was telling management, and it eventually shipped in February."<p>It is amazing what the crowds are capable of! Often times, groups can be smarter than the smartest individuals in them.
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reitzensteinm
2007-03-04T11:41:03
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dupe. I thought these were automatically getting caught?<p>http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=1884
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immad
2007-03-04T12:03:55
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I agree, but you could work something out without the government maybe. Individuals and organisations are worried about disaster too...
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danw
2007-03-04T12:10:47
For Start-Ups, Web Success on the Cheap
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/09/technology/09venture.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5090&en=1a49d4daaa73e6c9&ex=1320728400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
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mattculbreth
2007-03-04T12:28:11
All software should be social
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volida
2007-03-04T13:38:48
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Ithaca<p>As you set out for Ithaca<p>hope your road is a long one,<p>full of adventure, full of discovery.<p>Laistrygonians, Cyclops,<p>angry Poseidon - don't be afraid of them:<p>you' ll never find things like that on your way<p>as long as you keep your thoughts raised high,<p>as long as a rare excitement<p>stirs your spirit and your body.<p> Laistrygonians, Cyclops,<p>wild Poseidon - you won't encounter them<p>unless you bring them along inside your soul,<p>unless your soul sets them up in front of you.<p><p>Hope your road is a long one.<p>May there be many summer mornings when,<p>with what pleasure, what joy,<p>you enter harbours you're seeing for the first time;<p>may you stop at Phoenician trading stations<p>to buy fine things,<p>mother of pearl and coral, amber and ebony,<p>sensual perfume of every kind -<p>as many sensual perfumes as you can;<p>and may you visit many Egyptian cities<p>to learn and go on learning from their scholars.<p> Keep Ithaca always in your mind.<p>Arriving there is what you're destined for.<p>But don't hurry the journey at all.<p>Better if it lasts for years,<p>so you're old by the time you reach the island,<p>wealthy with all you've gained on the way,<p>not expecting Ithaca to make you rich.<p> Ithaca gave you the marvelous journey.<p>Without her you wouldn't have set out.<p>She has nothing left to give you now.<p>And if you find her poor, Ithaca won't have fooled you.<p>Wise as you will have become, so full of experience,<p>you'll have understood by then what these Ithakas mean.<p> K.Kavafis <p>
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volida
2007-03-04T14:24:21
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come on everyone, stop denying it! <p>you just want to conquer the world ;)
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amichail
2007-03-04T14:46:56
The End Of Management?
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http://www.time.com/time/insidebiz/article/0,9171,1101040712-660965,00.html
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volida
2007-03-04T15:01:03
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come on everyone, stop denying it! <p>you just want to conquer the world ;)
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Alex3917
2007-03-04T15:02:11
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Manager's manage people, information, and actions. Prediction markets aggregate predictions. Not much overlap.
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volida
2007-03-04T15:10:49
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Assuming YC money are not enough to get someone a green card, I suppose meaning you can't get him incorporated, would you accept someone who could spend his own money the first 2-3 months while being part of YC 2007, so that in the case of helping him getting more funding enough to get the green card, you get also your percentage?
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chendy
2007-03-04T15:15:04
PBWiki rasies $2M- plus a sidenote on VCs
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http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/pbwiki-raises-2-million
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lucks
2007-03-04T15:16:30
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The screencast you posted was very nice, and very similar to the Turbogears screencast in spirit. In fact both frameworks look very very similar from the screencasts, with the only differences being URL mapping, the syntax of the methods in the controller, and the templating language. All of those I can adapt to.<p>What I am really curious about is a few features of Rails that were just stunning and made our life so much easier when making our prototype. They were:<p>1.) Easy database migrations.<p>2.) The :AsTree and related specifiers in ActiveRecord that automatically creates utility methods for the object model (such as searching over parents/children of a record)<p>3.) Easy handling of session data<p>I haven't found any mention of these features in either Django or TurboGears and I haven't snooped enough yet to find them. If you know if they are there, and how they are done, please let me know!
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volida
2007-03-04T15:23:40
Bugs of news.ycombinator.com
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volida
2007-03-04T15:24:45
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If you submit a comment, you are returned to the page you were commenting. But if you refresh that page (x), the comment is re-submitted. I suppose, a no-cache and an expire header of the submit request page would avoid this problem of replicating by mistake the submittions...
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nostrademons
2007-03-04T15:28:08
Clowns, Dinosaurs, and Lunatics - On Beating Your Competition
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sharpshoot
2007-03-04T15:46:58
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mmm, great article submitted about manipulating women using psychological, emotional and cognitive means. Dude reads article - leaves computer, meets a girl. Dude gets laid. <p>alternatively: article submitted on how to scale dating sites. Dude has idea and builds new-fangled dating site. Many people get laid by dating site. Dude gets famous for getting other people laid. Many girls thank dude. Dude gets laid.
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lucks
2007-03-04T15:49:49
iReader Content Distilling and Vector-Based-Search (Cringley)
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http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070301_001778.html
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Alex3917
2007-03-04T15:55:33
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I'd like to propose a theorem.<p>X = the number of possible actions a user can take on your site. Y = the number of actions that can potentially get them laid.<p>X / Y = the probability of success of your social software. Let's call it the jwz ratio.
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abstractbill
2007-03-04T15:59:54
Monthly startup meeting in Palo Alto
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http://startupsig.pbwiki.com/
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abstractbill
2007-03-04T16:21:25
Some problems with mashups
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nostrademons
2007-03-04T16:27:26
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The prequel "Built to Last", however, is great for startups. He studied "visionary companies" in that one (including HP, IBM, Merck, 3M, etc.), and includes a lot about *how* a visionary company starts. I heard echoes of Built to Last in Woz's presentation at the startup school, so it's not just old-economy companies that it applies to.
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abstractbill
2007-03-04T16:37:57
Sending xhtml as text/html considered harmful
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http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml
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phil
2007-03-04T17:08:23
Microsoft totally sucking at online advertising: "outlook grim"
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jeremyliew
2007-03-04T17:16:06
Analysis of three ways to build an online media business to $50m in revenues
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http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2007/02/26/three-ways-to-build-an-online-media-business-to-50m-in-revenue/
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Alex3917
2007-03-04T17:40:04
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I downloaded the Firefox extension and it doesn't work. It just displays an empty bubble when I mouseover a link.
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mynameishere
2007-03-04T17:48:12
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If one Steve is rare, two Steves are rarer. Maybe someone could do the math, but it's pretty obvious.
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mynameishere
2007-03-04T18:00:02
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"pine became Gmail"<p>Yeah. Google invented online email. Seriously, does google pay for fanboyism by the pound or what? Geez.
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Alex3917
2007-03-04T18:05:10
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Nice article Jeremy. My answer though is none of the above.<p>First, most social networks make just as much money off selling data as they do from ads.<p>Second, all the ads you mention fall into the same category. That is, the product being advertised potentially creates value for the user. So basically the user has to click on the link and buy the product.<p>The most profitable advertising is the type where the ad itself creates value for the user, in addition to the product being advertised. For example, music videos on MTV.<p>Unfortunately all of the social networks in existence today are monetized under the traditional model.<p>The startup I'm currently working on (kitchen table phase) is a social networking thing that actually allows users to manipulate advertising spatially in three dimensions. Of course the user's perspective is completely different, all they see is how the website makes their life easier (and gets them laid) and not how its being monetized.
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