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24,548 | ivan | 2007-05-25T07:01:05 | Big mouth in the front | null | http://www.37signals.com/svn/images/time-big.jpg | 2 | 2 | [
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24,554 | scrob2pgd | 2007-05-25T07:54:44 | Is Teenwag a TEEN Social network growing because of SPAM? | null | http://tinyurl.com/2jsn7j | 1 | -1 | null | null | true | bot_blocked | Attention Required! | Cloudflare | null | null |
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24,560 | scrob2aqe2 | 2007-05-25T07:56:01 | How is Myspace secretly innovating a TEEN Social network | null | http://www.tinyurl.com/2jsn7j | 1 | -1 | null | null | true | bot_blocked | Attention Required! | Cloudflare | null | null |
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| 2024-11-08T07:30:42 | null | train |
24,574 | iamawalrus | 2007-05-25T08:02:10 | google! | null | http://www.google.com | 3 | 0 | null | null | null | missing_parsing | Google | null | null | AdvertisingBusiness How Search works Our third decade of climate action: join usPrivacyTermsSettings | 2024-11-08T02:47:52 | null | train |
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24,599 | aaronscwartzpg | 2007-05-25T08:16:18 | isnt this everyones favorite - allison_stokke's photo on Teenwag | null | http://www.teenwag.com/showphoto/4416 | 1 | -1 | null | null | true | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,600 | aaronscwartzpg | 2007-05-25T08:16:26 | The Sanjaya Installation Sanjaya is Bill Vendall Graduate Student Industrial Design - sanjaya_malakar's video on Teenwag | null | http://www.teenwag.com/playvideo/6181 | 1 | -1 | null | null | true | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,605 | pgpgukf | 2007-05-25T08:41:11 | How is Myspace secretly creating a TEEN Social network that is getting friendlier by the day | null | http://socialwisdomnews.blogspot.com/2007/05/teenwag-getting-friendlier-by-day.html | 1 | -1 | null | null | true | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,606 | michelson01 | 2007-05-25T08:42:38 | test | null | http://apps.f8.facebook.com/scribd/home | 1 | -1 | null | null | true | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,607 | michelson01 | 2007-05-25T08:45:45 | Secret URL to try out pre-release Facebook F8 app (from Scribd) | null | http://apps.f8.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=2349954053&b | 9 | 2 | [
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24,608 | pgpgukf | 2007-05-25T08:47:32 | Ever perez gets a twitter | null | http://twitter.com/perez | 1 | null | null | null | true | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,614 | sharpshoot | 2007-05-25T09:41:43 | Facebook - how Zuckerberg is taking over the internet | null | http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/24/technology/facebook.fortune/ | 6 | 0 | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,615 | master54 | 2007-05-25T10:00:07 | I'm humbled by Mark Zuckerberg | null | null | 6 | 13 | [
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24,622 | ArunM | 2007-05-25T10:44:15 | Earn by getting Ads in ur mobile | null | http://www.mginger.com/index.jsp?inviteId=126178 | 1 | 0 | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,624 | oziii | 2007-05-25T11:26:02 | ProBlogger Readers Do it Better... than Digg Users! | null | http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/05/25/problogger-readers-do-it-better-than-digg-users/ | 1 | 0 | null | null | null | missing_parsing | ProBlogger Readers Do it Better.... than Digg Users | 2007-05-25T03:45:51+00:00 | Darren Rowse |
Wendy writes a great post today in her introduction to Social Media Strategy and Socially Driven Content.
In the post she talks to bloggers about why they should learn about social media, what results they can get and how to start out in it.
What caught my attention was right down the bottom of her post where she did a little comparison to how Digg, StumbleUpon, Netscape and delicious readers interacted on her site over a 7 day period in terms of visitor numbers, page views per visitor and time spent on her site.
She then did a little analysis of ProBlogger readers over the same period (54 visitors). The visitors came simply by writing quality comments on my posts here (and she does write insightful comments).
The results speak for themselves.
While social bookmarking sites can potentially send a lot more traffic:
ProBlogger readers stay longer per visit (you stay 18 times longer than Digg users)
ProBlogger readers visit more pages over that visit (2.5 times as many pages than Digg users).
Wendy writes:
“I’ve grown to really appreciate the Digg crowd (even though they are mean as all hell sometimes), but if I had to pick, I’d take those 54 ProBlogger visitors over a big Digg any day.”
I guess that goes to show what quality readers you all are!
Seriously though (and you are quality readers – but there’s a lesson here) it’s also a good illustration of the power of different types of traffic.
While Digg can send you a heap of visitors in a short period of time they rarely stay long, rarely go deeper within your blog and rarely comment. On the other hand traffic from another blog on a similar topic (even if it’s just a from a comment) can drive a different quality of traffic.
Not only will they stay longer, comment more and view more pages I suspect they’ll also subscribe to your newsletter and RSS feed in higher numbers but they’ll respond more to your income streams (ads and affiliate products).
More reading on different types of traffic:
Reflections on Sources of Traffic
The Advantages of Different Types of Traffic
Digg Traffic vs Referral Traffic – Which is Best?
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24,633 | jslogan | 2007-05-25T14:04:39 | If you could only have one marketing tactic or tool, which would it be? | null | http://www.jslogan.com/if-you-could-only-have-one-marketing-tactic-or-tool-which-would-it-be/ | 1 | 0 | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,634 | abstractbill | 2007-05-25T14:07:41 | Nationalism in the startup world | null | http://www.blogforward.com/money/2007/05/24/nationalism-in-the-startup-world/ | 2 | 0 | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
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24,640 | gibsonf1 | 2007-05-25T15:21:37 | Researchers show off virtual human in 4D | null | http://news.com.com/Researchers+show+off+virtual+human+in+4D/2100-11393_3-6186277.html?tag=nefd.pop | 1 | 0 | null | null | null | no_article | null | null | null | null | 2024-11-07T20:17:02 | null | train |
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24,648 | byrneseyeview | 2007-05-25T15:49:43 | TipIt: like reddit, but will rank with tips rather than votes | null | http://tipit.to/ | 16 | 14 | [
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24,650 | dawie | 2007-05-25T15:56:42 | Freebies: Icons, Buttons and Templates | null | http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/05/24/freebies-round-up-icons-buttons-and-templates/ | 7 | 0 | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,655 | nikmacer | 2007-05-25T16:07:40 | Was Sanjaya Malakar a hoax by a Startup guy named Bill Vendall? | null | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjaya_Malakar#External_links | 1 | -1 | null | null | true | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,656 | awt | 2007-05-25T16:08:03 | Think you know how MySpace got started? Think again. | null | http://web2.commongate.com/post/What_MySpace_Doesn_t_Want_You_To_Know | 9 | 8 | [
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24,663 | dpapathanasiou | 2007-05-25T17:03:06 | Success is 99% Failure | null | http://www.steve-olson.com/success-is-99-failure/ | 2 | 0 | null | null | null | http_404 | 404 Not Found | null | null |
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24,664 | danw | 2007-05-25T17:16:00 | Working at Google vs working at Meetup | null | http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg2z5whw_41cb322p | 23 | 7 | [
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24,675 | gibsonf1 | 2007-05-25T18:26:10 | The Art of the Start: Guy Kawasaki Salesforce Developer Conference Slides | null | http://www.scribd.com/doc/81611/Guy-Kawasaki-Salesforce-Developer-Conference-Slides | 4 | 2 | [
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24,685 | Mistone | 2007-05-25T19:35:26 | Five Reasons Why Starting a Startup Could Improve Your Marriage | null | http://www.promoterforce.com/blog/2007/05/25/five-reasons-why-starting-a-startup-could-improve-your-marriage/ | 7 | 0 | null | null | null | no_article | null | null | null | null | 2024-11-08T15:41:32 | null | train |
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24,698 | transburgh | 2007-05-25T21:28:47 | Couldn't Sequoia find a better real estate startup than Trulia? | null | http://vcratings.thedealblogs.com/2007/05/couldnt_sequoia_find_a_better.php | 1 | 0 | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,702 | palish | 2007-05-25T22:03:57 | Is it just me, or has News.YC slowed down in terms of new stories / comments? | null | 5 | 10 | [
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24,728 | lupin_sansei | 2007-05-26T00:48:18 | Life in the Googleplex | null | http://flickr.com/photos/smanjo/sets/72057594068089820/show/ | 3 | 0 | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,736 | abstractbill | 2007-05-26T02:17:59 | TechStars "Funding your startup" session - open to general public | null | http://coloradostartups.com/2007/05/25/techstars-funding-your-startup-session-youre-invited/ | 1 | 0 | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
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24,753 | bootload | 2007-05-26T06:06:21 | Could open email work for you? | null | http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/05/could_open_emai.html | 3 | 1 | [
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Now, next, and beyond: Tracking need-to-know trends at the intersection of business and technology
Areas we’re focusing on:
AI/MLFew technologies have the potential to change the nature of work and how we live as artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning (ML).
Future of the FirmEverything from new organizational structures and payment schemes to new expectations, skills, and tools will shape the future of the firm.
Innovation & DisruptionStay on top of the emerging tools, trends, issues, and context necessary for making informed decisions about business and technology.
Next ArchitectureSee how companies are using the cloud and next-generation architectures to keep up with changing markets and anticipate customer needs.
Next EconomyWe’re charting a course from today’s tech-driven economy to a “next” economy that strikes a better balance between people and automation.
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24,770 | pgpgukf | 2007-05-26T08:23:42 | This is called SEO tiny site beats the crap outta Youtube for even the hotttest video | null | http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=Shakira+Las+De+La+Intuicion+video | 1 | -1 | null | null | true | null | null | null | null | null | null | null | train |
24,773 | pgpgukf | 2007-05-26T08:25:28 | Tiny site fighting it out with myspace and youtube and braving Google monopoly t.e.e.n.w.a.g the real site with schwag | null | http://www.google.com/search?q=pearl+landlord&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | 1 | -1 | null | null | true | missing_parsing | pearl landlord - Google Search | null | null | ... Pearl Also Featuring Adam McKay Director/Editor/DP: Drew Antzis Get ... landlord-from-will-ferrell-and-adam-ghost-panther-mckay.My favorite point was at the end, where her Mom giggles off-camera to the right, then Pearl says "Come Mommy", while walking away.Will Ferrell meets his landlord, Pearl Watch the full video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIdxVR_7ikg Subscribe now: ...The Landlord is a 2007 short comedy film starring Will Ferrell, Pearl McKay, and featuring Adam McKay. The Landlord. Directed by, Adam McKay. Drew Antzis.Apr 12, 2017 — Pearl McKay, now 12 years old, has broken her decade-long silence to speak with me about acting, the current state of internet comedy, and what she thinks of ...Will Ferrell meets his landlord, Pearl.AdamMcKay recalls casting his daughter Pearl alongside WillFerrell in “The Landlord” sketch. #LateLateShow9.5M Likes, 62.3K Comments. TikTok video from Funny Or Die (@funnyordie): “Will Ferrell meets his landlord, Pearl ”. will ferrell and ...Will Ferrell meets his landlord, Pearl Subscribe now: https://www.youtube.com/c/funnyordie?sub_confirmation=1 # # # Get more Funny Or Die ... | 2024-11-08T20:51:25 | null | train |
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24,782 | bootload | 2007-05-26T10:07:03 | How I work: don't just cope with information -- revel in it | null | http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/fortune/how_i_work/content.1.html | 1 | 0 | null | null | null | no_error | How I Work page1 | null | null |
Marissa Mayer
VP, Search Products and User Experience, Google
Executive summary: Don't just cope with information -- revel in it.
I don't feel overwhelmed with information. I really like it. I use Gmail for my personal e-mail -- 15 to 20 e-mails a day -- but on my work e-mail I get as many as 700 to 800 a day, so I need something really fast.
I use an e-mail application called Pine, a Linux-based utility I started using in college. It's a very simple text-based mailer in a crunchy little terminal window with Courier fonts. I do marathon e-mail catch-up sessions, sometimes on a Saturday or Sunday. I'll just sit down and do e-mail for ten to 14 hours straight. I almost always have the radio or my TV on. I guess I'm a typical 25- to 35-year-old who's now really embracing the two-screen experience.
I'm very speed-sensitive. With TiVo, for example, I just seem to spend too much of my life looking at the PLEASE WAIT sign. I adore my cell phone, but there's just a second of delay when you answer it: Hello, hello? I do have a BlackBerry. I don't use it at work because we have wireless throughout the office. I like my laptop a lot more, especially now that I have an EVDO [broadband cellular] card that gives me online access almost everywhere.
I almost always have my laptop with me. It's sitting with me right now. We are a very laptop-friendly culture. It's not uncommon to walk into a meeting at Google where everyone has a laptop open.
To keep track of tasks, I have a little document called a task list. And in the same document there's a list for each person I work with or interact with, of what they're working on or what I expect from them. It's just a list in a text file. Using this, I can plan my day out the night before: "These are the five high-priority things to focus on." But at Google things can change pretty fast. This morning I had my list of what I thought I was going to do today, but now I'm doing entirely different things.
I've been trying to figure out how to make time that was previously unproductive productive. If I'm driving my car somewhere, I try to get a call in to my family and friends then. Or during dead time when I'm waiting in line, I will hop on my cell phone and get something done.
My day starts around 9 A.M. and meetings finish up around 8 P.M. After that I stay in the office to do action items and e-mail. I can get by on four to six hours of sleep. I pace myself by taking a week-long vacation every four months.
I have an assistant, Patty, who handles calls from the outside, answers e-mails, letters, and requests. She does a great job with scheduling. In an average week I'm getting scheduled into about 70 meetings, probably ten or 11 hours a day. On Friday, Patty lets me out early -- around 6, and I go up to San Francisco and do something interesting.
From 4 to 5:30 every day that I can, I'll sit at my desk to answer any question that shows up on my doorstep. We have a big sign-up sheet outside. We joke that we should get one of those deli number tickers -- "Now serving No. 68!" But we have nice couches and power for laptops and things outside the door where people wait.
The average seems to be around 13 people per day. Sometimes they show me mockups or new demos of ideas they want to advance. Sometimes they have a presentation they're working on. Or sometimes they just want to ask me a question about Google's overall management. Anything is fair game. So if they ask, "Why are we in China?" I try to answer as candidly as I can.
-- Interviewed by David Kirkpatrick | 2024-11-08T08:40:39 | en | train |
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24,790 | gibsonf1 | 2007-05-26T13:42:46 | Web application design: the REST of the story (Also see linked long email discussion) | null | http://www.findinglisp.com/blog/2004/11/web-application-design-rest-of-story.html | 4 | 3 | [
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When I first got turned on to Lisp, I quickly discovered both Paul Graham's web site and Chris Double's blog. Since that time, I have been thinking about web design in Lisp. Both Paul and Chris have, at times, espoused the idea that it's pretty cool to use continuations [and here] (or at least closures in Paul's case) to program web applications. You get a nice programming model that is very much like a "normal" application where you can effectively present a series of screens to the user and pick up input data while programming in a very linear way.
A few weeks ago, I found some articles on REST -- representational state transfer. REST is the name of an architectural style that was coined by Roy Fielding in his PhD dissertation to describe the way the web works. Essentially, Fielding argues, the web works by returning to a client a set of representations (HTML pages, typically, but not necessarily) that describe the current state of a web resource named by a URI. Each representation includes links to other interesting resources somehow related to the current resource and the client may access those resources using those links. If you look through either Fielding's dissertation or most of the other REST writings on the web, you'll find a whole bunch of buzzword-compliant, but ultimately vacuous, language about REST and how good it is. I finally boiled it down to the following key points, with the help of some of Paul Prescod's articles and website:
HTTP is a very general, scalable protocol. While most people only think of HTTP as including the GET and POST methods used by typical interactive browsers, HTTP actually defines several other methods that can be used to manipulate resources in a properly designed application (PUT and DELETE, for instance). The HTTP methods provide the verbs in a web interaction.
Servers are completely stateless. Everything necessary to service a request is included by the client in the request.
All application resources are described by unique URIs. Performing a GET on a given URI returns a representation of that resource's state (typically an HTML page, but possibly something else like XML). The state of a resource is changed by performing a POST or PUT to the resource URI. Thus, URIs name the nouns in a web interaction.
The REST crowd says that these principles are what make the world-wide web the most scalable architecture ever built. Indeed, when you follow these principles, the overall web architecture and infrastructure is working with you, not against you. For instance, caching happens at many points in the web (client, intermediate nodes, and possibly in front of the server in the form of reverse proxy caches). If each resource is uniquely identified by a URI, you don't have problems with the browser back button and people can easily share URIs with others using cut-and-paste from the browser location bar. Because HTTP is a very loosely coupled, late-bound, general-purpose transfer protocol, clients and servers can evolve without the other end of the wire also having to change. Finally, intermediate nodes can interact with data traveling between client and server and participate in the protocol to optimize performance or other characteristics.
When you violate these principles, at least some of the web infrastructure shuts itself off or otherwise isn't working for you. REST specifically argues that the following architectural items are problemmatic in web application design:
Applications that use server-side state don't scale as well as those that don't. The server-side state must be stored on servers and protected from loss in the event of a server failure if the application is going to be resilient. Further, the unique mapping between a URI and its representation may be modified by this state and thus fewer pages are cachable (since a cache doesn't know what state is on the server, the server must mark pages as non-cachable so other clients don't see the wrong information when accessing the same URI).
A corrollary to this is that server-side authentication state should be eliminated. REST advocates would argue that standard HTTP authentication should be used since it is included with all HTTP requests for a given object and therefore allows the server to be stateless.
Personalization is a problem. It relies on server-side state to create the personalized pages and they are not cachable since the URI is often the same across multiple clients.
The typical interactive web application uses URIs as verbs (think Java Struts with its xxx.do URIs). Effectively, this moves the actions in a web app into the URI namespace and doesn't allow intermediate nodes to participate in the protocol. The intermediate nodes understand HTTP methods (GET, POST, PUT, DELETE) but don't understand xxx.do.
REST can be applied to both interactive (browser-based) applications, as well as web services. My take is that there are some drawbacks to applying a pure REST architecture to an interactive application. I think that you can apply much of REST and you'll end up with a great system if you do, but limiting yourself to HTTP authentication will make your application look like it's straight from 1995 (i.e. ugly as sin--you might as well give all your pages a gray background and times-roman fonts). That said, the principles that make up REST are sound and it is advantageous to follow them when you can.
For grins, I took a look at Amazon.com and it's remarkably REST-like for most of the overall interface. Have you ever noticed how you can forward an Amazon link to anybody via email and it just works? There is a little bit of magic happening on the server, but most of it works because of REST principles. Now, Amazon obviously has a lot of customized pages. Rumor has it that those cost them dearly, too, in terms of scalability. They require a lot more server resource to serve that up and the content isn't as cachable as it could be. In their case, however, I'm sure they sell a lot more merchandise because they include that personalization.
From what I can tell, though, REST really shines when creating web services. Indeed, many of the REST resources on the web are devoted to describing why REST makes a far better web services infracture than something based on SOAP. After reading many of these, I think I have to agree. The combination of REST+XML is powerful for a general-purpose web services infrastructure. In fact, I think that REST could be applied to distributed Lisp applications by substituting sexprs for XML and it's far better than having to deal with SOAP and all its baggage. Another realization I came to is what a horrible, aweful thing SOAP is. Simply put, out of control.
So what does this have to do with continuations and web programming? Simply that it seems like continuation-based programming might have some pretty big scalability problems if used too much on a high volume site. Does that mean continuation-based programming is bad? No, just that, like everything, you have to know when to apply it and when you're pushing it beyond its sweet spot. In particular, it seems suited for certain portions of an interactive web application, but probably would not be good to use in a web service design. Further, I'm pretty convinced that programmers should spend more time learning about state machines and how they work. Most of the interactive parts of a web application can be modeled as a state machine. With the syntax transformations afforded by Lisp macros, it should be possible to design event-driven web applications fairly easily and not require the saving of so much continuation state.
Last week, I talked a bit with Paul Graham about Viaweb's architecture. The important items are (some of which have been reported by Paul in his various essays [here, and here]):
Only the store editor was written in Lisp. The rest was basically C. This means that only direct Viaweb customers (merchants) actually used the Lisp portion of things.
Once a merchant got the site design the way they wanted it, the system generated the HTML for what was basically a static web site with some CGI hooks. End customers interacted with this. All dynamism at the time of final presentation (the shopping cart) was done using old-school fork-and-exit CGI written in C.
When merchants were editing a store, the system would create an entire Lisp process for each merchant. This process was started and stopped for each editing session.
Closures were used to generate actions for various links in the editor. Each link was created dynamically using Lisp code with a unique (random) ID parameter. The IDs were used as keys to store the closures in a hash table. When the user clicked on a link, the server would hand control to the closure which would generate the next page.
Interestingly, Paul said that the closures for each page were deleted when the next page was served. If the server received an ID number that it didn't understand it sent the user back to the "current" page. This meant that if a customer used the back button and clicked on a link, the application would respond by simply taking them back to where they were before they hit the back button. The only way to really interact with the application was through links on the current page, not using the browser navigation controls. I found this very interesting because one of the main interests in using continuations for web programming is that they solve the "back button problem" in a fairly graceful manner.
So, in the case of Viaweb, Lisp was used for the heavyweight portion of the site and interacted with by a relatively small number of merchants (hundreds, not hundreds of thousands). The data built up there was then used to generate a static site that interacted with CGI scripts to implement the shopping cart itself.
Where is all this going? I'm not quite sure yet. Clearly web application architecture has evolved a lot since Viaweb was founded in 1995. Things like fork-and-exit CGI scripts are a thing of the past on a high volume site, with FastCGI being the minimum for modern efficiency. But it seems like there are some things to be learned from the REST style, too.
Finally, it's important to note that most REST advocates are positioning REST for web services interfaces as an alternative to SOAP/UDDI/etc., not necessarily as the style to use for interactive web applications. That said, the fact that Amazon uses it is very interesting.
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24,943 | danielha | 2007-05-27T16:01:52 | BookTour.com: Chris Anderson's new startup | null | http://mashable.com/2007/05/27/booktour/ | 5 | 1 | [
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Chris Anderson, editor of Wired and author of The Long Tail (a phrase that seems to appears in every startup's business plan these days) will launch his own startup on May 31st. The launch of BookTour.com coincides with the Book Expo America event in New York next week.BookTour is self-funded and there are two other partners involved. With the Long Tail theory applying mainly to books, music and movies, and becoming a bestseller itself, Anderson's startup will no doubt have its basis in that experience.
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