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Fascinating news from dwarf planet Pluto and its largest moon Charon is still coming out, more than a year after the New Horizons spacecraft swept past the planet in July of 2015. A month before the historic flyby – likely the only such flyby of Pluto in some of our lifetimes – New Horizons’ cameras saw Charon’s north polar region as reddish. Now, after analyzing the images and other data sent back by New Horizons, scientists said on September 14, 2016 that Charon’s polar coloring comes from Pluto itself. They said that methane gas that escapes from Pluto’s atmosphere becomes “trapped” by Charon’s gravity. The gas freezes to the cold, icy surface at Charon’s pole. Then a chemical process occurs by which ultraviolet light from the sun transforms the methane into heavier hydrocarbons and eventually into reddish organic materials called tholins.
The scientists’ work is published in the peer-reviewed journal Nature.
Will Grundy is a New Horizons co-investigator from Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona and lead author of the paper. He said in a statement from NASA:
Who would have thought that Pluto is a graffiti artist, spray-painting its companion with a reddish stain that covers an area the size of New Mexico?
Every time we explore, we find surprises. Nature is amazingly inventive in using the basic laws of physics and chemistry to create spectacular landscapes.
The NASA statement how Grundy’s team reached their conclusions about Charon’s red pole:
The team combined analyses from detailed Charon images obtained by New Horizons with computer models of how ice evolves on Charon’s poles. Mission scientists had previously speculated that methane from Pluto’s atmosphere was trapped in Charon’s north pole and slowly converted into the reddish material, but had no models to support that theory.
The New Horizons team dug into the data to determine whether conditions on the Texas-sized moon (with a diameter of 753 miles or 1,212 kilometers) could allow the capture and processing of methane gas. The models using Pluto and Charon’s 248-year orbit around the sun show some extreme weather at Charon’s poles, where 100 years of continuous sunlight alternate with another century of continuous darkness. Surface temperatures during these long winters dip to -430 Fahrenheit (-257 Celsius), cold enough to freeze methane gas into a solid.
Grundy explained:
The methane molecules bounce around on Charon’s surface until they either escape back into space or land on the cold pole, where they freeze solid, forming a thin coating of methane ice that lasts until sunlight comes back in the spring.
But, the scientists’ statement explained, while the methane ice quickly sublimates away, the heavier hydrocarbons created from it remain on the surface.
The models also suggested that in Charon’s springtime the returning sunlight triggers conversion of the frozen methane back into gas. But while the methane ice quickly sublimates away, the heavier hydrocarbons created from this evaporative process remain on the surface.
Sunlight further irradiates those leftovers into reddish material – called tholins – that has slowly accumulated on Charon’s poles over millions of years. New Horizons’ observations of Charon’s other pole, currently in winter darkness – and seen by New Horizons only by light reflecting from Pluto, or “Pluto-shine” – confirmed that the same activity was occurring at both poles.
Alan Stern, New Horizons principal investigator from the Southwest Research Institute and a study co-author, said:
This study solves one of the greatest mysteries we found on Charon, Pluto’s giant moon. And it opens up the possibility that other small planets in the Kuiper Belt with moons may create similar, or even more extensive ‘atmospheric transfer’ features on their moons.
False-color image of Pluto’s heart-shaped Sputnik Planum, first seen by New Horizons in 2015. Image via NASA/JHUAPL/SwRI.
Bottom line: After analyzing the images and other data sent back by New Horizons during its 2015 flyby of Pluto, scientists said on September 14, 2016 that the red color at Charon’s north pole originates as methane gas escaping from Pluto itself.
Deborah Byrd created the EarthSky radio series in 1991 and founded EarthSky.org in 1994. Today, she serves as Editor-in-Chief of this website. She has won a galaxy of awards from the broadcasting and science communities, including having an asteroid named 3505 Byrd in her honor. A science communicator and educator since 1976, Byrd believes in science as a force for good in the world and a vital tool for the 21st century. "Being an EarthSky editor is like hosting a big global party for cool nature-lovers," she says. | {
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I recently decided to start the ball rolling on a long-standing dream. It took a recent vacation to Mexico for the idea to crystallize. I got so excited thinking about it that I couldn’t wait to come home and get started. I always wanted to host my own photography workshops and the only thing that held me back in the past was my full-time employment and the fact that I didn’t live in a sought after gorgeous location. Well, those two excuses were no longer valid. I picked out a name for my business and got to work on designing a logo.
I’m not sure I should admit this because it’s shameful, but I tried to hire somebody else to design the logo for this new business. Not sure what I was thinking, other than the fact that I’m really busy right now going in way too many directions. Well, I learned my lesson for trying to take the short-cut easy way out. It was a complete disappointment. I picked the name Maine Photo Adventures and directed the designer to create a logo that depicted both Maine and photography. This is what I got which left me very uninspired.
I was just curious to see what somebody that wasn’t as close to the project as I was would come up with in the hopes that it would give me some extra inspiration. All it did was boost my confidence. I am a designer for Heaven’s sake. Who is going to do a better job at creating my logo than me? It had to be more appealing and catchy and, even more importantly, it had to reflect Paula. I am very pleased with what I came up because it does a great job at conveying both Maine and photography, and most importantly my personality. Here it is. | {
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Lexus is the luxury vehicle division of Japanese automaker Toyota. The Lexus marque is marketed in over 70 countries and territories worldwide and has become Japan's largest-selling make of premium cars. The company is headquartered in Nagoya, Japan, with 0perational centers located in Brussels, Belgium, and southern California in the US.
Lexus has built up a reputation over the years for building high-quality, comfortable, technologically advanced cars. There isn’t anything particularly cheap and cheerful in its range, but you can expect to see a great selection of well-made, well-executed high end vehicles.
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What does it mean to “become one?” Genesis 2:20b-25 But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the … Continue reading → | {
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Conn. Transit adding 31 hybrid-electric buses to fleet
[IMAGE]Cttransit-2011-hybrid-2.jpg[/IMAGE] The Connecticut Department of Transportation (CTDOT) is adding to the growing list of "green" buses in its CTTRANSIT fleet with the pending addition of 31 hybrid-electric buses to the New Haven and Waterbury Divisions.
The New Haven Division will receive 14 40-foot hybrids, with 17 35-foot hybrids going to the Waterbury Division to help upgrade its 15-year old fleet. The 40-foot hybrid buses will seat 38 passengers, while the 35-foot buses will seat 30. All of these buses will be operational by the end of April, 2011.
These hybrid buses are powered by a combination of an internal combustion clean diesel engine paired with a generator, electric storage system and an electric motor. New state-of-the-art small and lightweight lithium-ion batteries provide an extended range for the bus.
The hybrids' new, smaller engine meets the new 2010 near-zero emissions requirement. The hybrid bus design provides for a 25 percent improvement in fuel economy compared to a standard new clean diesel bus. In addition, the buses feature all LED lighting inside and out, replacing fluorescent lights. These lights are more energy efficient and are better for the environment.
The exterior features more windows for passengers, including a back window, and significant upgrades in noise reduction. Passengers can expect a quieter ride inside and out.
Each hybrid bus costs approximately $560,000 while the diesel buses cost approximately $376,000. They were purchased by the Connecticut Department of Transportation using American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) funds. CTTRANSIT is the first transit system in the U.S. to receive this new model of bus from New Flyer Inc.
With the addition of these buses, CTTRANSIT now operates 33 diesel-electric hybrid buses and five hydrogen fuel cell-powered buses.
To read about CTTRANSIT's addition of 60-foot articulated buses to the fleet, click here.
The CTfastrak transit system provides direct service to and from Waterbury, Cheshire, Southington, Bristol, Plainville, New Britain, Newington, West Hartford, Hartford, East Hartford and Manchester with routes that take advantage of the bus-only CTfastrak roadway.
ABQ RIDE is looking to model its plan after the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority’s HealthLine, which is sponsored through a hospital partnership. Construction on the so-called ART system could begin in May 2016 with an in-service date of September 2017. | {
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Friday Night at The Beach House Mistaken for High School Reunion
GLEN ALLEN, Va. — What was supposed to be a routine Friday night out with friends turned into complete chaos when a West End resident’s trip to The Beach House Bar & Grille was accidentally mistaken for a high school reunion.
Kellie Foster, who graduated from Douglas Freeman High School in 2007, said she began her night at The Beach House, a popular spot amongst the area’s “bro” crowd, with her usual weekend gang. However, the night took an unexpected turn when she began to notice numerous classmates from her Freeman years at the bar.
“First I saw Holly Miller and Lauren Cameron, and I thought ‘Oh hey, I haven’t seen them in a few years,’” Foster stated. “And then I saw Holly’s ex, Brian, who was with his friends Jeremiah and Tommy. They all went to Freeman and graduated in ’07. At first I thought I had stumbled upon some kind of reunion that I hadn’t gotten an invite to. It was pretty terrifying.”
Foster then noticed Andrew Scott and Roger Stanley, two recognizable figures from the school’s nerd clique. “That really threw me off. I figured they’d still be playing Magic or Dungeons & Dragons at this point. I didn’t expect them to grow up to be the type of guys who hang out at a place like this.”
Events continued to deteriorate when Foster spotted Jason Bernard, the captain of Freeman’s 2006 varsity football team and a well-established jock douche. According to Foster, Bernard was loudly bragging to some former teammates who were also in attendance about his ability to double fist a pair of Bud Lights.
“God, I hate that prick, and he still acts like the douche-nozzle he was in high school. I guess some things never change,” Foster remarked, watching the group down shots of cheap vodka.
Thankfully for Foster, it appears that none of her ex-boyfriends from her high school years were in attendance. Nonetheless, officials are classifying the evening as a catastrophic event.
“It happens all too often, these unexpected reunions,” John Harding, a spokesperson for the Richmond Center of Lingering High School Drama, stated in a related interview. “At places like Bar Louie and The Beach House it’s very common to run into former classmates that you absolutely hated in school and had secretly hoped would meet unfortunate fates in their 20s.”
Harding says his team is working on installing signs on select West End bars to help warn patrons of the likelihood and the dangers of running into fellow high school alumni. Foster supports their efforts, recalling the experience as something that no Richmond millennial should have to endure.
“Fuck, this is so awkward,” Foster commented, adding that she had never planned to attend one of her school’s official reunions in the first place. “I specifically made a Facebook account so I could keep in touch with certain people and not have to go any of those damn reunions.” | {
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Library fits into a new cover
The Hood River County Library is up and running in its new temporary home at 6th and State streets. You can do all the regular library things there, like check out books, read microfiche, browse through magazines and newspapers and surf the Internet.
But you can’t pay your phone bill there.
“We’ve had two people come in just today wanting to pay their phone bill,” said library assistant Elena Smith on Monday. The Dean Building, which is where the library has moved while the addition and renovation of the old library building takes place, used to house Sprint offices.
Aside from the occasional wayward phone customer, things are running smoothly, according to library director June Knudson.
“We’re getting positive comments from people coming in, so that feels good,” Knudson said. She said the biggest challenge has been getting used to having the library’s wares housed in 14 small rooms.
“You have to be psychologically prepared for that when you come in,” she said. The staff has put together signs and maps to help library patrons find their way around.
“It’s a little harder to find space where people can sit down and read,” Knudson said. But, she noted, several “undaunted souls” have persevered. Indeed, on Monday several people sat in the adjoined magazine and computer room, lounging in chairs reading or clicking away at one of the computers.
Kerry Brady of Hood River had no problem finding her way around the new space.
“Everything seems easy to find,” she said. “Everything is well-labeled.”
Kenneth Kane of Mosier said he actually likes the many rooms the library has had to squeeze itself into.
“It allows a little more privacy,” he said as he sat reading a newspaper in a corner of the large print books room. “There are lots of nooks and crannies.”
Librarian Kathy Thomas said the hardest space to organize was the nonfiction room, with its high ceilings and lack of windows.
“Figuring out how to get all the books in there and make it inviting was a challenge,” she said. But, she added, people seem to be happy with the results.
“The children’s room is a lot of fun,” she said. “People come in and say ‘This isn’t the library.’ But then they see how warm and inviting it is.”
The library is open from 8:30 a.m. to 8:30 p.m. Monday through Thursday, and 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. Friday and Saturday. Preschool story time is held every Wednesday at 10:30 a.m. | {
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WGBH, one of Boston’s two National Public Radio affiliates, has made an investment of an undisclosed amount in podcast app maker RadioPublic.
RadioPublic, a Boston-based startup founded by public radio veterans, announced on Wednesday that it raised a new $1.2 million seed round with WGBH as the lead investor. Other new investors include former Groupon CEO and founder Andrew Mason and local investment firm Companyon Capital. The startup’s original group of investors — which includes The New York Times, American Public Media and Slate.com publisher Graham Holdings — also participated in the funding round... READ MORE | {
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Wendy Milton's Angel of Fire: Book One of Zach's Story (Fourth Edition) PDF
Zach Brinkley is in health facility the place he is visited by means of an stressful "winged factor" and a suite of ghostly twins. The twins think anyone is attempting to kill him! Can Zach thwart this would-be killer?
Twelve-year-old movie-loving Maisie is short of a distraction from her present romantic limitation whilst her Uncle Walt involves stick with her relatives after being harm at the set of the motion picture he is filming in Hollywood. Maisie's ally, Cyrus, has been placing out much with Gary Hackett, whose last-name sounds to Maisie like a cat barfing up a hairball.
Becoming up within the 50’s because the fabricated from an insane mom, and a chilly, abusive father didn't make for an exceptional commence in existence. there have been no function types for this budding homosexual boy, and how humans talked about homosexuality made me believe like anything reminiscent of a assassin. And so I spent decades hidden at the back of the masks of my good, hetero way of life and that i spent seven years fortunately married to a girl.
Trapped at the ice-planet of Delon, gamer lady Sofi and Ambassador Miguel have stumbled on that not anything is what it sort of feels, together with their associates. On a quest to rescue her brother, Shilo, a boy every person believes is useless, they need to now get away and warn Earth of Delon’s designs on humanity. other than the extra they unearth of the planet and Sofi’s earlier, the extra they consider themselves unraveling, as every one new revelation has Sofi wondering the very lifestyles of truth. | {
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Stamp It Group 2018 Christmas Blog Hop
Welcome to Stamp It Group Thanksgiving Blog Hop. We are all using current Stampin’ Up! Products. I’m Rachael Rife from Maryland, USA and you are visiting my blog Rachthestamper. At the bottom of my post, you will find a list of all the participating blog hoppers so you can move along from blog to blog and see all the fantastic projects. Make sure to leave a comment on each blog with the hashtag #stampitcontest to be entered to win the Lots of Happy Card Kit!
For todays card, I used the BRAND NEW to me stamp and die set: Alpine Adventure and Alpine Sports. You can buy them as a bundle and save 10%.
I love the fun and outdoor adventure of this set, and I actually made quite a few other cards with this while I was creating which I will share with you later this week.
I just updated my blog and I hope you will find it more useful and attractive. A big shout out to Amy at WebsbyAmy for all of her help!
If you missed me last week: and I hope you did, that is why. I was trying not to make it more complicated for myself, so I will be back with more NEW ideas starting next week 🙂 | {
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Having elected to bat, Melton C openers Vivek Sharma and Malcolm Howard kept the Blundeston opening bowlers, including, Elliott Gooch, at bay to compile a partnership of 30.
Having elected to bat, Melton C openers Vivek Sharma and Malcolm Howard kept the Blundeston opening bowlers, including, Elliott Gooch, at bay to compile a partnership of 30.
Gooch then removed three of Melton's young batsmen in quick succession. The middle order kept things ticking over with several good strokes played by George Ducker. The Melton innings closed in the 41st over for a total of 129 all out.
N Nobbs and G Talbot batted well and punished any bowling that strayed off line or length. Sharma got several deliveries to beat the outside edge during a promising spell.
Ben Fryer's in-swing eventually accounted for Nobbs when he was caught at backward point by Howard. However, this was to be the only breakthrough and Blundeston won the match in the 28th over. | {
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Tuesday, July 1, 2008
A 22 hour road trip in three vehicles with 18 people from Our Redeemer Lutheran Church from the U.P. of Michigan to the Poconos Mountains in PA...all to hear HIS Holy Word. Perfect.
We had such an awesome week in Scranton PA attending the Higher Things Conference this year..."AMEN" '08. It was rich in liturgy, Law/Gospel preaching, sound teaching in HIS Holy Word and filled with Grace. Forgiveness, absolution...thank you Lord!
How refreshing in such a hostile world! The setting was beautiful, the Poconos Mountain Range is incredible and there were NO BUGS! I don't know how that happened, but we sat outside every evening without one mosquito bite! WOW!
Grace alone: God loves the people of the world, even though they are sinful, rebel against Him and do not deserve His love. He sent Jesus, His Son, to love the unlovable and save the ungodly.
Faith alone: By His suffering and death as the substitute for all people of all time, Jesus purchased and won forgiveness and eternal life for them. Those who hear this Good News and believe it have the eternal life that it offers. God creates faith i Christ and gives people forgiveness through Him.
Scripture alone: The Bible is God's inerrant and infallible Word, in which He reveals His Law and His Gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. It is the sole rule and norm of Christian doctrine.
Sunday, June 22, 2008
A very dear friend was married and allowed me to create a cake for the celebration dinner... here it stands... after a four hour trip in the back of a SUV! Congratulations Kimberly! Marriage is such an awesome gift God has given to us while we live on this earth, I am thankful for my husband today and everyday.
( btw, french vanilla with vanilla buttercream, deep double chocolate with mocha butter cream and all dressed in a creamy yellow fondant. )
Sunday, June 15, 2008
So much for the lazy Days of Summer! The week ends with a VBS picnic at Lake Superior and a trek to Rainbow Falls...and then the delivery of a wedding cake...next week we have a convention for Lutheran Women's Missionary League and another wedding cake...and then off to Scranton PA for the Higher Things Youth Gathering...embrace the busy life!
Friday, June 13, 2008
I haven't been blogging lately because I love to post pictures, and well, on the first day of our vacation I dropped our camera, and it is broken...shoot. Now my sweet little blue 1inch ipod that my 13 yo son gave me looks like it was washed in the laundry....shoot shoot! I will work at getting these things fixed and get back on task with my blog life...
Wednesday, June 4, 2008
Our Family was able to visit the wonderfully cloudy and wet city of Seattle for our family vacation this year. In case you don't know, my very favorite weather is grey, cloudy, wet and 65degree weather...I know, I know, weird, huh?! It must be from my early years growing up in wet Germany! What started out as perfect weather soon turned bad though. A day into our vacation Seattle had record highs of 100+ degrees...wow! We still had an enjoyable time, and I will share some fun pics of the Market, Starbucks, the walk up to the market, the Space Needle and my sweet family. Our kiddos had their first big airplane trip, and they really enjoyed "The Office" and "The Bucket List" during the flight. | {
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After the 2012 election, establishment Republicans promised things would be different next time. They’d stop turning off women. They’d tamp down on rogue outside groups. And they’d get the tea party movement in line.
But now that 2014 is here, those goals seem as elusive as ever and even insiders admit the party’s got a long way to go — if it really wants to change.
“I look at the long game on this,” said Kevin Madden, who was a top adviser to Mitt Romney. “You have to remind yourself that it is not an event, it’s a process and it’s not going to happen over night.”
The loudest example of how much the GOP is still stumbling on one of its top priorities came when former Gov. Mike Huckabee took the stage at the annual Republican National Committee winter meeting.
In just one reference to contraception, Huckabee reignited the “war on women” narrative that was so damaging to Republicans in the last election. “If the Democrats want to insult the women of America by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or reproductive system without the help of the government, so be it.”
It’s the kind of line that might have revved up the conservatives who traveled from all over the country to attend the event in Washington, but made top Republicans cringe.
RNC Chairman Reince Priebus did not mention Huckabee by name, but alluded to him Friday saying that Republicans must improve their “tone.”
“I’ve said many times before that the policies and principles of our party are sound,” Priebus said. “However, as we look to grow the ranks of our party, we must all be very conscious of the tone and choice of words we use to communicate those policies effectively.”
But not all Republicans agree the party had a bad week. Speaker Newt Gingrich said the focus on women’s issues was a sideshow drummed up by liberal elites who like the controversy.
“The overwhelming weight of what the American people are experiencing is undermining Obama and therefore undermining the Democrats,” said Gingrich, who is now a host of CNN’s Crossfire. “You look at the weight of the economy and Obamacare. He drowns out almost everything else.”
And Huckabee has since defended his own comments, giving no ground to critics.
“Women (like men) are sexual beings, but they are much more than that,” Huckabee wrote in an email to Fox news. “To reduce either gender or any person to one aspect of their being is an unfair characterization. My point was to point out that Dems have put a laser like focus on government funded birth control and given it more attention than cancer drugs.”
House Republicans are also sticking to their agenda, rejecting the conventional wisdom pushed by many national GOP figures after the 2012 election that the party needed to rethink their rhetoric and their priorities.
Republicans announced plans to vote next week on a bill that would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.
The focus on so-called “women’s issues” follows Republicans disappointing loss in the Virginia governors race where conservative Ken Cuccinelli was attacked repeatedly during the campaign for his position’s on abortion.
But despite the latest flare up — several Republican campaign consultants said that the comments by one individual aren’t going to impact the party’s chances of 2014 or 2016.
“I see little to no relationship between what Gov. Huckabee said and whether the party is going to take on abortion,” said Republican pollster Kellyanne Conway. “All major polling indicates the president’s numbers are down all around town. That includes youth, Hispanics most predominately and even women, most of that is tied to the implementation of Obamacare.”
While Republicans across the board point to President Barack Obama’s health care law as the top reason they will win big in November, they continue to face pressure from third party groups.
News that Charles and David Koch were convening a gathering of like-minded allies in Palm Springs, Calif., to raise millions of dollars to play even more aggressively in primaries and the 2014 election and beyond comes despite efforts by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and others to blunt the perceived power of groups like Senate Conservatives Fund and Heritage Action.
And despite Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and the National Republican Senatorial Committee vowing to take on Republicans who challenge sitting lawmakers, FreedomWorks on Wednesday became the latest conservative group to throw its support behind McConnell primary challenger Matt Bevin. It was a direct blow to the establishment’s line.
“It doesn’t make sense to go with McConnell,” President Matt Kibbe told POLITICO. “I think he’s very vulnerable to losing the seat. He just isn’t capable of driving policy anymore.”
Still, Republicans have started to show renewed interest in taking on some controversial issues like immigration reform. House Republicans have been working quietly behind the scenes to put together a plan for voting on a series of smaller issue-specific bills before the end of the year. While it’s unclear if they will be successful, Republican consultants say that showing a more openness to Latinos and policies that are important to them is a first step.
While the party’s profile with minority voters isn’t where it needs to be, there is an active movement to get better, according to Madden.
“Right now, is our profile with Hispanic voters where it needs to be — it’s not yet. With African American voters, it’s not,” Madden said. “Have there been efforts made to show up to at least engage these audiences, to listen better, to work through different elements on how best to craft the best policy messages… I think there have been those efforts.” | {
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Draft customer service standards for collection network
The CDS requires a network of collection points to refund ten cents for containers returned by the public. A vital part of designing the CDS and its collection network is balancing the convenience and cost of the collection network.
The Department of Water and Environmental Regulation (DWER) has prepared a draft document setting out potential customer service standards for the collection network, and modelling the resultant network.
DWER examined approaches to establishing customer service standards for the collection network undertaken in other jurisdictions where CDS have been, or are proposed to be, introduced. An approach consistent with other jurisdictions is proposed, with additional consideration also given to the size, remoteness and population density of Western Australia.
The draft document also models the proposed standards to identify a potential collection network that would address the minimum requirements set out in the standards.
The draft CDS customer service standards have been released during the Request for Proposal (RfP) for the Scheme Coordinator to inform Respondents in the development of their offers.
Following the close of the consultation period, DWER will analyse submissions and make recommendations to the Minister for Environment. The final CDS customer service standards are intended to articulate the State Government’s expectations regarding minimum requirements for access and coverage, which will form part of the development of the state-wide collection network as part of Stage 2 of the RfP process.
How to make a submission
A written submission can be lodged by email (preferred) to: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Consultation Duration
25 October 2018 to 6 December 2018
All submissions must be received by 5pm (WST) 6 December 2018.
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Complete Reef Diet 4 ounce - Coral Food - Clams, Corals & Inverts
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Complete Reef Diet is one of the most unique coral foods on the market. Complete does not use seals or vacuum lids. Every container is packaged within a week of coming from the source. You can store it in your freezer for up a year, but we rotate inventory and won't keep jars on the shelf that are over 90-days old to ensure freshness, making this an elite coral food. Do you know how long your coral, invert & clam food as been in its package for? With Complete you are always assured the freshest stock.
The most complete Reef Food on the market. There is no need for additives or supplements with Complete Reef Diet. Everything you need is right here in one container. Complete researched the feeding habits of over 2000 species to perfect this food. Corals, SPS, LPS, softies, ricordeas, mushrooms, phytoplankton, artemia, zoanthids, invertebrates, tridacna clams, sponges, gorgonians, scallops, feather dusters, all marine fish and even fish fry, will all love Complete Reef Diet.
Jars are IN STOCK and ready to ship. They are Cobalt Blue, adhesive free, polyethylene terephthalate free, and acid free. We ship SUPER fast and free using USPS First Class Mail. All orders are shipped within hours of the sale.
Directions for Use:
Mix 1 teaspoon into freshwater for every 50 gallons of tank water. Let sit for 15 minutes. Add to water column of tank. Complete Reef Diet is extremely potent.
The best food for Omnivore fish your tank has ever seen. Even for finicky eaters such as Butterflies and Angelfish. Complete Omnivore Diet will bring out your fishes vibrant colors with high grade Astaxanthin, and includes Hi-Allicin Garlic to boost immunity to help keep them healthy. We could not find a more complete Omnivore food on the market...
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Arctic Copepod Powder is used by ornamental fish-keepers and reef enthusiasts because of their incredibly high levels of carotenoids (astaxanthin, cryptoxanthin, echinenone) which will enhance the color in your fish and corals. With our Arctic Copepod Powder a little goes a long way. 1 ounce should last you up to 3 months, even when spot feeding...
Complete Koi and Cichlid Floating Pellets have been scientifically engineered to be a complete diet for your Koi and Cichlid tank members. They are easily digestible and loaded with amino acids and vitamins to really bring out the most vibrant colors in your fish. Whether you are feeding juveniles or adults your fish will love Complete Floating ...
Complete Bloodworms Diet was specifically designed for Betta fish. These fish can be rather hard to keep at peak health, which is why Complete made a diet with higher amounts of several amino-acids such as arginine, histidine methionine, phenylanine isoleucine, leucine, and lysine. Make sure your Betta is always eating the best it can with Compl...
Complete Herbivore Diet was designed with the most finicky eaters in mind. At Reef2Land we get in some of the hardest to keep fish in the world such as Chevron and Powder Blue Tangs. With Complete Herbivore Diet even these more selective eaters are devouring flake food out of the water column within a few days of being acclimated. With the added...
{"id":2011217887305,"title":"Complete Brine Shrimp Eggs 90% Hatch Artemia Nauplii Diet","handle":"brine-shrimp-eggs-90-hatch-artemia-nauplii-diet","description":"\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan face=\"Trebuchet MS\" size=\"3\" style=\"font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: medium; color: #000000;\"\u003eWe guarantee a minimum hatch-out of 255,000 nauplii (baby brine shrimp) per gram of cysts following a 24 hour incubation period. Based on the most recent harvest, this equates to an average hatch-out of\u003cstrong\u003e 90%\u003c\/strong\u003e. Feel confident purchasing brine shrimp eggs from Reef2Land. We will return your money if you do not achieve the specified hatching results from artemia cysts that have been properly stored and handled. Eggs are thoroughly disinfected in a hypochlorite solution during processing. Inventory is periodically tested, stored in a temperature-controlled (40 degrees F) warehouse, and packaged on demand.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eInstructions and Guidelines:\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eBelow you will find complete and simple-to-follow brine shrimp hatching instructions!\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eStoring Brine Shrimp Eggs - At Reef2Land we know Brine Shrimp Eggs\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eFirst of all, you need to start with healthy, properly stored eggs from a reputable source. Any brine shrimp eggs you buy should be stored as follows.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eIn a tightly sealed container; free from moisture; and in a cool environment at or below 50°F. (Refrigeration is ideal for short term storage, i.e., less than three to four weeks; for longer term storage, eggs are best kept at or below freezing.)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eWhen you receive your Elite Brine Shrimp Eggs:\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eUpon receiving your eggs, divide them into an amount that will be consumed within three to four weeks and store this amount in a tightly sealed container in the refrigerator. The remainder should be stored, in a tightly sealed container, in the freezer. Also, make sure to keep your eggs away from any direct light source. This is why every order we ship is sent in an air tight amber plastic jar with a lid liner free of charge. \u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eKeep in mind that freezing can lower metabolic activity and delay hatch-out. We suggest removing eggs from the freezer one day prior to getting ready to hatch.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eHatching Environment: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003cb\u003eWhat we recommen\u003c\/b\u003e\u003cb\u003ed at Reef2Land for the best results (must follow for Guarantee):\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eSalinity: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e25 parts per thousand (ppt) salt solution, or approximately 1 and 2\/3 tablespoons of salt per quart of water. This equates to around 1.018 specific gravity as measured with a hydrometer. Be sure to use marine salt or solar salt.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003epH: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eProper pH is important in hatching brine shrimp. A starting pH of 8.0 or higher is recommended. In areas where the water pH is below 7, Epson salt or magnesium sulfate can be added at the rate of 1\/2 teaspoon per quart of solution to buffer the hatching solution.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eTemperature: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eOptimum water temperature for a 24-hour complete hatch is 80-82°F or 26-28°C. Lowering the temperature can result in a longer hatching time.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eLight: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eIllumination is necessary to initiate hatching within the embryo during the first few hours of incubation. Maintaining a light source during the entire incubation period is recommended to obtain optimum hatch results and for temperature control.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eAeration: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eConstant aeration is necessary to keep cysts in suspension and to provide sufficient oxygen levels for the cysts to hatch. A minimum of 3 parts per million dissolved oxygen during the incubation is recommended. Strong aeration should not damage or hurt the brine shrimp cysts or nauplii.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eStocking Density: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e1 gram per liter or quart or approximately 1\/2 level teaspoon of cysts per quart is recommended. A higher stocking density will result in a lower hatch percentage.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eHatching Cone: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eFlat-bottom hatching vessels should be avoided. Cone or \"V\" bottomed containers are best to insure that the cysts remain in suspension during hatching. Be sure to thoroughly wash the hatching cone with a light chlorine solution, rinse, and allow to air-dry between uses. Avoid soap. Soap will leave a slight residue which will foam from aeration during hatching and leave cysts stranded above the water level.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eIncubation Period:\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eGenerally, the optimum incubation time is 24 hours. Egg which has been properly stored for more than 2-3 months may require additional incubation time — up to 30-36 hours. The majority of the time eggs will hatch in as little as 18 hours. If a smaller size nauplii is desired, a harvest time of 18 hours is recommended.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eHelpful Hint:\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eBrine shrimp egg is sometimes very buoyant. In order to maximize the hatching percentage, it is sometimes helpful to swirl the water inside the hatching container with your finger once or twice at intervals in the first 4 to 6 hours of incubation in order to knock down eggs that have been stranded on the side of the container above the water-line. After about 6 hours, the eggs are usually well-hydrated and will stay in the water column.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eHatching Procedure: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003cb\u003eThe following steps will achieve optimum brine shrimp hatch rates.\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eSet Up: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003ePlace hatching cone or similarly shaped vessel in well-lit area. Cone should be semi-translucent for ease of harvesting and light transmission.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eAdd Water: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eFill cone with water and adjust salinity to 25 ppt (parts per thousand). Optimum hatching temperature is 82°F (28°C).\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eWhat to do after your Brine Shrimp Eggs hatch: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eAfter your brine shrimp eggs hatch, turn off \u0026amp; remove aeration then wait several minutes for the shells and and baby brine shrimp to separate. Newly hatched nauplii will settle to the bottom of the container or move towards a light source, the shells will then float to the surface. Once separated, your nauplii can be siphoned from the bottom with someaquarium airline tubing or gently drained through the bottom of the container through a valve, if you have one.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eRemember to rinse: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eThe warm temperatures from the hatching creatse ideal conditions for a bacteria blooms. Rinsing the baby brine shrimp in a fine mesh net or sieve using clean fresh or salt water is important before feeding them to your fish to avoid contamination.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eClean and store your equipment for their next use: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eTanks and brine shrimp hatching equipment should be cleaned and disinfected regularly to prevent cross contamination between batches.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e","published_at":"2017-01-17T20:50:00-07:00","created_at":"2019-01-11T00:45:43-07:00","vendor":"Reef2Land","type":"Coral Food","tags":["Coral Food"],"price":1195,"price_min":1195,"price_max":1195,"available":true,"price_varies":false,"compare_at_price":null,"compare_at_price_min":0,"compare_at_price_max":0,"compare_at_price_varies":false,"variants":[{"id":18692558618697,"title":"Default Title","option1":"Default Title","option2":null,"option3":null,"sku":"","requires_shipping":true,"taxable":false,"featured_image":null,"available":true,"name":"Complete Brine Shrimp Eggs 90% Hatch Artemia Nauplii Diet","public_title":null,"options":["Default Title"],"price":1195,"weight":91,"compare_at_price":null,"inventory_quantity":20,"inventory_management":"shopify","inventory_policy":"deny","barcode":""}],"images":["\/\/cdn.shopify.com\/s\/files\/1\/1366\/1729\/products\/seahorse.png?v=1548376431","\/\/cdn.shopify.com\/s\/files\/1\/1366\/1729\/products\/BrineShimp2.jpg?v=1548376431","\/\/cdn.shopify.com\/s\/files\/1\/1366\/1729\/products\/BrineShrimp3.jpg?v=1548376431","\/\/cdn.shopify.com\/s\/files\/1\/1366\/1729\/products\/BrineShrimp1.jpg?v=1548376431","\/\/cdn.shopify.com\/s\/files\/1\/1366\/1729\/products\/BrineShrimp4.jpg?v=1548376431","\/\/cdn.shopify.com\/s\/files\/1\/1366\/1729\/products\/BrineShrimp6.jpg?v=1548376431"],"featured_image":"\/\/cdn.shopify.com\/s\/files\/1\/1366\/1729\/products\/seahorse.png?v=1548376431","options":["Title"],"content":"\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan face=\"Trebuchet MS\" size=\"3\" style=\"font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: medium; color: #000000;\"\u003eWe guarantee a minimum hatch-out of 255,000 nauplii (baby brine shrimp) per gram of cysts following a 24 hour incubation period. Based on the most recent harvest, this equates to an average hatch-out of\u003cstrong\u003e 90%\u003c\/strong\u003e. Feel confident purchasing brine shrimp eggs from Reef2Land. We will return your money if you do not achieve the specified hatching results from artemia cysts that have been properly stored and handled. Eggs are thoroughly disinfected in a hypochlorite solution during processing. Inventory is periodically tested, stored in a temperature-controlled (40 degrees F) warehouse, and packaged on demand.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eInstructions and Guidelines:\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eBelow you will find complete and simple-to-follow brine shrimp hatching instructions!\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eStoring Brine Shrimp Eggs - At Reef2Land we know Brine Shrimp Eggs\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eFirst of all, you need to start with healthy, properly stored eggs from a reputable source. Any brine shrimp eggs you buy should be stored as follows.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eIn a tightly sealed container; free from moisture; and in a cool environment at or below 50°F. (Refrigeration is ideal for short term storage, i.e., less than three to four weeks; for longer term storage, eggs are best kept at or below freezing.)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eWhen you receive your Elite Brine Shrimp Eggs:\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eUpon receiving your eggs, divide them into an amount that will be consumed within three to four weeks and store this amount in a tightly sealed container in the refrigerator. The remainder should be stored, in a tightly sealed container, in the freezer. Also, make sure to keep your eggs away from any direct light source. This is why every order we ship is sent in an air tight amber plastic jar with a lid liner free of charge. \u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eKeep in mind that freezing can lower metabolic activity and delay hatch-out. We suggest removing eggs from the freezer one day prior to getting ready to hatch.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eHatching Environment: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003cb\u003eWhat we recommen\u003c\/b\u003e\u003cb\u003ed at Reef2Land for the best results (must follow for Guarantee):\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eSalinity: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e25 parts per thousand (ppt) salt solution, or approximately 1 and 2\/3 tablespoons of salt per quart of water. This equates to around 1.018 specific gravity as measured with a hydrometer. Be sure to use marine salt or solar salt.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003epH: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eProper pH is important in hatching brine shrimp. A starting pH of 8.0 or higher is recommended. In areas where the water pH is below 7, Epson salt or magnesium sulfate can be added at the rate of 1\/2 teaspoon per quart of solution to buffer the hatching solution.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eTemperature: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eOptimum water temperature for a 24-hour complete hatch is 80-82°F or 26-28°C. Lowering the temperature can result in a longer hatching time.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eLight: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eIllumination is necessary to initiate hatching within the embryo during the first few hours of incubation. Maintaining a light source during the entire incubation period is recommended to obtain optimum hatch results and for temperature control.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eAeration: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eConstant aeration is necessary to keep cysts in suspension and to provide sufficient oxygen levels for the cysts to hatch. A minimum of 3 parts per million dissolved oxygen during the incubation is recommended. Strong aeration should not damage or hurt the brine shrimp cysts or nauplii.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eStocking Density: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e1 gram per liter or quart or approximately 1\/2 level teaspoon of cysts per quart is recommended. A higher stocking density will result in a lower hatch percentage.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eHatching Cone: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eFlat-bottom hatching vessels should be avoided. Cone or \"V\" bottomed containers are best to insure that the cysts remain in suspension during hatching. Be sure to thoroughly wash the hatching cone with a light chlorine solution, rinse, and allow to air-dry between uses. Avoid soap. Soap will leave a slight residue which will foam from aeration during hatching and leave cysts stranded above the water level.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eIncubation Period:\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eGenerally, the optimum incubation time is 24 hours. Egg which has been properly stored for more than 2-3 months may require additional incubation time — up to 30-36 hours. The majority of the time eggs will hatch in as little as 18 hours. If a smaller size nauplii is desired, a harvest time of 18 hours is recommended.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eHelpful Hint:\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eBrine shrimp egg is sometimes very buoyant. In order to maximize the hatching percentage, it is sometimes helpful to swirl the water inside the hatching container with your finger once or twice at intervals in the first 4 to 6 hours of incubation in order to knock down eggs that have been stranded on the side of the container above the water-line. After about 6 hours, the eggs are usually well-hydrated and will stay in the water column.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eHatching Procedure: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003cb\u003eThe following steps will achieve optimum brine shrimp hatch rates.\u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eSet Up: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003ePlace hatching cone or similarly shaped vessel in well-lit area. Cone should be semi-translucent for ease of harvesting and light transmission.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eAdd Water: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eFill cone with water and adjust salinity to 25 ppt (parts per thousand). Optimum hatching temperature is 82°F (28°C).\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eWhat to do after your Brine Shrimp Eggs hatch: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eAfter your brine shrimp eggs hatch, turn off \u0026amp; remove aeration then wait several minutes for the shells and and baby brine shrimp to separate. Newly hatched nauplii will settle to the bottom of the container or move towards a light source, the shells will then float to the surface. Once separated, your nauplii can be siphoned from the bottom with someaquarium airline tubing or gently drained through the bottom of the container through a valve, if you have one.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eRemember to rinse: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eThe warm temperatures from the hatching creatse ideal conditions for a bacteria blooms. Rinsing the baby brine shrimp in a fine mesh net or sieve using clean fresh or salt water is important before feeding them to your fish to avoid contamination.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003e\u003cb\u003eClean and store your equipment for their next use: \u003c\/b\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp class=\"det\"\u003e\u003cspan style=\"color: #000000;\"\u003eTanks and brine shrimp hatching equipment should be cleaned and disinfected regularly to prevent cross contamination between batches.\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e"}
Complete Brine Shrimp Eggs 90% Hatch Artemia Nauplii Diet
$11.95
We guarantee a minimum hatch-out of 255,000 nauplii (baby brine shrimp) per gram of cysts following a 24 hour incubation period. Based on the most recent harvest, this equates to an average hatch-out of 90%. Feel confident purchasing brine shrimp eggs from Reef2Land. We will return your money if you do not achieve the specified hatching results ...
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Two Little Fishies ZoPlan 30g 1oz
$12.99
ZoPlan is a balance of dried crustaceans and other sea creatures rich in vitamins, trace elements, amino acids, and lipids. It is great for marine invertebrates such as soft and stony corals, seafans, anemones, zoanthids, clams, scallops, featherduster worms, and other filter feeders. It can also be used for plankton eating fishes.
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Two LIttle Fishies PhytoPlan 30g 1oz
$11.99
Two Little Fishies PhytoPlan is a spray dried blend of several strains of phytoplankton. PhytoPlan may be used as food for filter feeding invertebrates and as a supplement to enrich the nutritional value of dried and frozen fish foods, or live Artemia. Rich in vitamins, trace elements, amino acids, and highly unsaturated fatty acids.
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Two LIttle Fishies Calan-Eeze Copepods 30g 1oz
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Two LIttle Fishies Calan-Eeze 30 Gram 1 Ounce
The copepods used in Two Little Fishies Calan-Eeze are harvested from a sustainable source in Norway. They wait to harvest them until they are the perfect size for fresh and saltwater fish with smaller mouths. The fish food is naturally high in proteins, color promoting astaxanthin,and beneficial lip... | {
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The Reds have placed veteran pitcher Homer Bailey on the 60-day disabled list, the team announced on Wednesday.
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Just make sure you compile in the high level driver sd for SATA disk, and
low level driver ahci for SATA Controller.
config like below should suffice.
Code:
#
# SCSI device support
#
CONFIG_SCSI_MOD=y
# CONFIG_RAID_ATTRS is not set
CONFIG_SCSI=y
CONFIG_SCSI_DMA=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_TGT is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NETLINK is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS=y
#
# SCSI support type (disk, tape, CD-ROM)
#
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST is not set
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR_VENDOR=y
CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG=y
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SCH is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_LOGGING is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SCAN_ASYNC is not set
#
# SCSI Transports
#
CONFIG_SCSI_SPI_ATTRS=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_FC_ATTRS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_ISCSI_ATTRS is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_SAS_ATTRS=y
CONFIG_SCSI_SAS_LIBSAS=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_SAS_ATA is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_SAS_HOST_SMP=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_SRP_ATTRS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_LOWLEVEL is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_LOWLEVEL_PCMCIA is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DH is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_OSD_INITIATOR is not set
CONFIG_ATA=y
# CONFIG_ATA_NONSTANDARD is not set
CONFIG_ATA_VERBOSE_ERROR=y
CONFIG_ATA_ACPI=y
# CONFIG_SATA_ZPODD is not set
CONFIG_SATA_PMP=y
#
# Controllers with non-SFF native interface
#
CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y
CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y
# CONFIG_SATA_INIC162X is not set
CONFIG_SATA_ACARD_AHCI=y
# CONFIG_SATA_SIL24 is not set
CONFIG_ATA_SFF=y
#
# SFF controllers with custom DMA interface
#
# CONFIG_PDC_ADMA is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_QSTOR is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_SX4 is not set
CONFIG_ATA_BMDMA=y
#
# SATA SFF controllers with BMDMA
#
CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=y
# CONFIG_SATA_HIGHBANK is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_MV is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_NV is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_PROMISE is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_SIL is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_SIS is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_SVW is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_ULI is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_VIA is not set
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The Military Archives, based in Cathal Brugha barracks in Rathmines in Dublin, has long been under-appreciated. The most obvious reason is that the records it holds concern only the Irish Defence Forces, the Department of Defence and the Army Pensions Board. Before 1922, of course, the only official army was the British Army and all of its records are in the English National Archives in Kew. Confusion about this is surprisingly common, and the recently-revamped Archives website at militaryarchives.ie has to go out of its way to make the distinction as clear as possible. One paradoxical result of redirecting so many researchers is that the staff have become experts on Irish regiments in the British Army - the site's "About us" section has the best short guide to these regiments I've ever seen. The redesigned site also provides the clearest picture so far of exactly what the Archives holds offline, with such little-known gems as an Army census for every barracks and post in the Free State on 12th/13th November 1922 and internment camp records from the civil war and the Emergency.
For the moment, the only collection actually online is of Irish military barracks maps, plans and drawings, visually interesting and very useful for local historians. Coming over the next few months is the complete collection of more than 1700 Bureau of Military History witness statements relating to the history of the movement for Independence from 1913 to 1921. A complete index to contributors is already online. Next will be the Military Service Pensions Project, a collection of almost 300,000 files relating to the period 1916-24, due to come online before the 1916 centenary.
Of course the real meat and potatoes for family historians are the Army personnel and pension files. These are not (yet?) at the Archives and are only available to direct next of kin, but the site provides admirably clear directions on how to request them. | {
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The Nova 523 Series Carbon Dioxide alarm monitors are designed for the continuous detection of CO2 in ambient air or in air drawn from a confined space or C/A room. A built-in sample pump draws in a sample through a filter and flowmeter and then on to the CO2 detector. This model uses a solid state infrared CO2 detector which continuously detects and displays the CO2 on a front panel digital meter. A 0-1V or 4-20mA linear output signal is available for input to a recorder or similar device.
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In our last episode, we discovered the revolution that occurred in the Old Testament with regard to handling the consequences of sin. We saw how it evolved from something we had to wait and endure, to something akin to a debt we could “pay down” proactively.
In other words, we discovered you can actually shave time off of purgatory through almsgiving. It was pretty huge.
Now we’re going to take it one step further.
In today’s program we’re going to unpack the incredible meaning behind a simple little verse in Proverbs: “The treasuries of wickedness provide no benefit, but almsgiving delivers from death” (10:2).
That’s a pretty amazing sentence. And it’s not hyperbole. It’s not exaggeration. It’s the truth…and we’ll see it in Scripture.
In this powerful episode we’ll:
Discover the little discussed details in the story of the raising of Tabitha from the dead and how they’re all related to almsgiving
Understand why almsgiving before all else is a cry for mercy
Discuss the rationale for how almsgiving can help not just ourselves, but our beloved deceased
Compare the difference between almsgiving and indulgences
Get a new perspective on the Our Father and discover why St. Augustine declared that forgiving others is a powerful form of almsgiving
It’s a pretty powerful episode that will reorder the way you think about how to help your beloved deceased, as well as best prepare for your own departure from this world into the eternal bliss of heaven.
God bless!
Matthew
P.S. Don’t just listen to us talk about it. Do it! Grab your FREE copy of my quick guide to deeper prayer 8 Ways To Jumpstart Your Prayer Life!It’s an easy step-by-step guide to help you rocket to God!
Want to tour Catholic Europe’s most beautiful holy sites? Join Matthew on a St. Paul Center pilgrimage to Fatima, Spain, Lourdes, and other amazing holy sites this October 23rd to November 1st. Click here for details.
If I was to ask you the quickest way out of purgatory, or even perhaps the quickest way into heaven, what would you say? “Be a saint.” Good.
But what should we do when we fall short? What about when we sin?
The book I mention in the podcast.
“Get to confession,” you reply. Excellent. But then what? Is there a way to make up for what we’ve done? A way to remedy the damage that we’ve caused the Body of Christ now, so that we don’t suffer later?
Absolutely. It’s almsgiving.
Don’t worry, I’m not going to tell you to start giving alms. I’m going to tell you why you’re nuts if you don’t. Trust me. You want to hear this. Because we’re going to:
Discuss why you want to spend as little time in purgatory as possible
(hint: it hurts…a lot!)
Show how Scripture describes sin in terms of a debt to be paid
Demonstrate the incredible revolution with regard to payment for sin that occurred in the Old Testament between the time of King David and Daniel
Examine Scripture passages that demonstrate the concept of purgatory and its miraculous relationship to almsgiving
Explain how almsgiving can shortcut the consequences of your sinful actions…now and later!
Don’t listen if you enjoy suffering. For the rest of you, push “play” now!
Matthew
P.S. Don’t just listen to us talk about it. Do it! Grab your FREE copy of my quick guide to deeper prayer 8 Ways To Jumpstart Your Prayer Life!It’s an easy step-by-step guide to help you rocket to God!
Want to tour Catholic Europe’s most beautiful holy sites? Join Matthew on a St. Paul Center pilgrimage to Fatima, Spain, Lourdes, and other amazing holy sites this October 23rd to November 1st. Click here for details.
Pope St. John Paul II is one of the most beloved popes of all time. He touched the lives of millions.
But his impact is far from over.
JPII was a world-class philosopher. He taught us truths about ourselves, and humanity in general, in a way that made sense. He understood our deepest longings and turmoil. He could explain the inner workings of our heart in relation to God.
In a nutshell, he taught us how to be fully human through Jesus Christ.
But while most of us learned this from his speeches, encyclicals, and books, Andreas Widmer, former Swiss Guard and now Director of Entrepreneurship Programs at Catholic University of Americas’ Busch School of Business & Economics, received his instruction in person.
This giant of a man swore to protect and serve the Holy Father with his life.
Discover the relationship between JPII’s famous Theology of the Body and the world of economics
Discuss how JPII’s view of poverty and the human person is necessary to understand the heart of Pope Francis
Hear this modern saint’s “simple” rule of life he practiced every day
You don’t get too many opportunities to hear personal witness about a saint. Andreas Widmer gives us that and much more!
Matthew
P.S. Don’t just listen to us talk about it. Do it! Grab your FREE copy of my quick guide to deeper prayer 8 Ways To Jumpstart Your Prayer Life!It’s an easy step-by-step guide to help you rocket to God!
Want to tour Catholic Europe’s most beautiful holy sites? Join Matthew on a St. Paul Center pilgrimage to Fatima, Spain, Lourdes, and other amazing holy sites this October 23rd to November 1st. Click here for details.
ABOUT ME
I am an author, speaker, podcaster, Vice President and Executive Producer at the St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology. I’m married to a beautiful woman named Veronica with whom I have six children (so far…she’s 10 years younger so you never know). | {
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From: Christopher Powers
Date: July 25 2011 3:40am
Subject: bzr push into mysql-trunk branch (chris.powers:3331 to 3332) WL#4896
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3332 Christopher Powers 2011-07-24
WL#4896 "Performance Schema Net IO"
- Updated tests to reflect changes to performance_schema_max_stage_classes system var
modified:
mysql-test/r/mysqld--help-win.result
mysql-test/suite/perfschema/r/start_server_no_socket_class.result
mysql-test/suite/perfschema/r/start_server_no_socket_inst.result
3331 Christopher Powers 2011-07-24
WL#4896 "Performance Schema Net IO"
- Fixed IPV6 bug
- Debug socket_instances_func -- why don't TCP connections appear in socket_instances?
modified:
mysql-test/suite/perfschema/t/socket_instances_func.test
storage/perfschema/table_events_waits.cc
storage/perfschema/table_socket_instances.h
=== modified file 'mysql-test/r/mysqld--help-win.result'
--- a/mysql-test/r/mysqld--help-win.result 2011-07-22 20:08:29 +0000
+++ b/mysql-test/r/mysqld--help-win.result 2011-07-25 03:40:14 +0000
@@ -4,24 +4,24 @@ The following options may be given as th
--defaults-file=# Only read default options from the given file #.
--defaults-extra-file=# Read this file after the global files are read.
- --abort-slave-event-count=#
+ --abort-slave-event-count=#
Option used by mysql-test for debugging and testing of
replication.
- --allow-suspicious-udfs
+ --allow-suspicious-udfs
Allows use of UDFs consisting of only one symbol xxx()
without corresponding xxx_init() or xxx_deinit(). That
also means that one can load any function from any
library, for example exit() from libc.so
-a, --ansi Use ANSI SQL syntax instead of MySQL syntax. This mode
will also set transaction isolation level 'serializable'.
- --auto-increment-increment[=#]
+ --auto-increment-increment[=#]
Auto-increment columns are incremented by this
- --auto-increment-offset[=#]
+ --auto-increment-offset[=#]
Offset added to Auto-increment columns. Used when
auto-increment-increment != 1
--autocommit Set default value for autocommit (0 or 1)
(Defaults to on; use --skip-autocommit to disable.)
- --automatic-sp-privileges
+ --automatic-sp-privileges
Creating and dropping stored procedures alters ACLs
(Defaults to on; use --skip-automatic-sp-privileges to disable.)
--back-log=# The number of outstanding connection requests MySQL can
@@ -32,16 +32,16 @@ The following options may be given as th
--big-tables Allow big result sets by saving all temporary sets on
file (Solves most 'table full' errors)
--bind-address=name IP address to bind to.
- --binlog-cache-size=#
+ --binlog-cache-size=#
The size of the transactional cache for updates to
transactional engines for the binary log. If you often
use transactions containing many statements, you can
increase this to get more performance
- --binlog-checksum=name
+ --binlog-checksum=name
Type of BINLOG_CHECKSUM_ALG. Include checksum for log
events in the binary log. Possible values are NONE and
CRC32; default is NONE.
- --binlog-direct-non-transactional-updates
+ --binlog-direct-non-transactional-updates
Causes updates to non-transactional engines using
statement format to be written directly to binary log.
Before using this option make sure that there are no
@@ -52,7 +52,7 @@ The following options may be given as th
--binlog-do-db=name Tells the master it should log updates for the specified
database, and exclude all others not explicitly
mentioned.
- --binlog-format=name
+ --binlog-format=name
What form of binary logging the master will use: either
ROW for row-based binary logging, STATEMENT for
statement-based binary logging, or MIXED. MIXED is
@@ -64,14 +64,14 @@ The following options may be given as th
binlog-format is MIXED, the format switches to row-based
and back implicitly per each query accessing an
NDBCLUSTER table
- --binlog-ignore-db=name
+ --binlog-ignore-db=name
Tells the master that updates to the given database
should not be logged to the binary log.
- --binlog-row-event-max-size=#
+ --binlog-row-event-max-size=#
The maximum size of a row-based binary log event in
bytes. Rows will be grouped into events smaller than this
size if possible. The value has to be a multiple of 256.
- --binlog-row-image=name
+ --binlog-row-image=name
Controls whether rows should be logged in 'FULL',
'NOBLOB' or 'MINIMAL' formats. 'FULL', means that all
columns in the before and after image are logged.
@@ -82,34 +82,34 @@ The following options may be given as th
the table) is logged in the before image, and only
changed columns are logged in the after image. (Default:
FULL).
- --binlog-rows-query-log-events
+ --binlog-rows-query-log-events
Allow writing of Rows_query_log events into binary log.
- --binlog-stmt-cache-size=#
+ --binlog-stmt-cache-size=#
The size of the statement cache for updates to
non-transactional engines for the binary log. If you
often use statements updating a great number of rows, you
can increase this to get more performance
--bootstrap Used by mysql installation scripts.
- --bulk-insert-buffer-size=#
+ --bulk-insert-buffer-size=#
Size of tree cache used in bulk insert optimisation. Note
that this is a limit per thread!
- --character-set-client-handshake
+ --character-set-client-handshake
Don't ignore client side character set value sent during
handshake.
(Defaults to on; use --skip-character-set-client-handshake to disable.)
- --character-set-filesystem=name
+ --character-set-filesystem=name
Set the filesystem character set.
- -C, --character-set-server=name
+ -C, --character-set-server=name
Set the default character set.
- --character-sets-dir=name
+ --character-sets-dir=name
Directory where character sets are
-r, --chroot=name Chroot mysqld daemon during startup.
- --collation-server=name
+ --collation-server=name
Set the default collation.
- --completion-type=name
+ --completion-type=name
The transaction completion type, one of NO_CHAIN, CHAIN,
RELEASE
- --concurrent-insert[=name]
+ --concurrent-insert[=name]
Use concurrent insert with MyISAM. Possible values are
NEVER, AUTO, ALWAYS
--connect-timeout=# The number of seconds the mysqld server is waiting for a
@@ -119,55 +119,55 @@ The following options may be given as th
--core-file Write core on errors.
-h, --datadir=name Path to the database root directory
--date-format=name The DATE format (ignored)
- --datetime-format=name
+ --datetime-format=name
The DATETIME format (ignored)
- --default-storage-engine=name
+ --default-storage-engine=name
The default storage engine for new tables
- --default-temp-storage-engine=name
+ --default-temp-storage-engine=name
The default storage engine for new explict temporary
tables
- --default-time-zone=name
+ --default-time-zone=name
Set the default time zone.
- --default-week-format=#
+ --default-week-format=#
The default week format used by WEEK() functions
- --delay-key-write[=name]
+ --delay-key-write[=name]
Type of DELAY_KEY_WRITE
- --delayed-insert-limit=#
+ --delayed-insert-limit=#
After inserting delayed_insert_limit rows, the INSERT
DELAYED handler will check if there are any SELECT
statements pending. If so, it allows these to execute
before continuing
- --delayed-insert-timeout=#
+ --delayed-insert-timeout=#
How long a INSERT DELAYED thread should wait for INSERT
statements before terminating
- --delayed-queue-size=#
+ --delayed-queue-size=#
What size queue (in rows) should be allocated for
handling INSERT DELAYED. If the queue becomes full, any
client that does INSERT DELAYED will wait until there is
room in the queue again
- --disconnect-slave-event-count=#
+ --disconnect-slave-event-count=#
Option used by mysql-test for debugging and testing of
replication.
- --div-precision-increment=#
+ --div-precision-increment=#
Precision of the result of '/' operator will be increased
on that value
- --event-scheduler[=name]
+ --event-scheduler[=name]
Enable the event scheduler. Possible values are ON, OFF,
and DISABLED (keep the event scheduler completely
deactivated, it cannot be activated run-time)
-T, --exit-info[=#] Used for debugging. Use at your own risk.
- --expire-logs-days=#
+ --expire-logs-days=#
If non-zero, binary logs will be purged after
expire_logs_days days; possible purges happen at startup
and at binary log rotation
- --external-locking Use system (external) locking (disabled by default).
+ --external-locking Use system (external) locking (disabled by default).
With this option enabled you can run myisamchk to test
(not repair) tables while the MySQL server is running.
Disable with --skip-external-locking.
--flush Flush MyISAM tables to disk between SQL commands
--flush-time=# A dedicated thread is created to flush all tables at the
given interval
- --ft-boolean-syntax=name
+ --ft-boolean-syntax=name
List of operators for MATCH ... AGAINST ( ... IN BOOLEAN
MODE)
--ft-max-word-len=# The maximum length of the word to be included in a
@@ -176,68 +176,68 @@ The following options may be given as th
--ft-min-word-len=# The minimum length of the word to be included in a
FULLTEXT index. Note: FULLTEXT indexes must be rebuilt
after changing this variable
- --ft-query-expansion-limit=#
+ --ft-query-expansion-limit=#
Number of best matches to use for query expansion
- --ft-stopword-file=name
+ --ft-stopword-file=name
Use stopwords from this file instead of built-in list
--gdb Set up signals usable for debugging.
--general-log Log connections and queries to a table or log file.
Defaults logging to a file hostname.log or a table
mysql.general_logif --log-output=TABLE is used
- --general-log-file=name
+ --general-log-file=name
Log connections and queries to given file
- --group-concat-max-len=#
- The maximum length of the result of function
+ --group-concat-max-len=#
+ The maximum length of the result of function
GROUP_CONCAT()
-?, --help Display this help and exit.
- --ignore-builtin-innodb
+ --ignore-builtin-innodb
Disable initialization of builtin InnoDB plugin
--init-connect=name Command(s) that are executed for each new connection
--init-file=name Read SQL commands from this file at startup
--init-slave=name Command(s) that are executed by a slave server each time
the SQL thread starts
- --interactive-timeout=#
+ --interactive-timeout=#
The number of seconds the server waits for activity on an
interactive connection before closing it
- --join-buffer-size=#
+ --join-buffer-size=#
The size of the buffer that is used for full joins
- --keep-files-on-create
+ --keep-files-on-create
Don't overwrite stale .MYD and .MYI even if no directory
is specified
--key-buffer-size=# The size of the buffer used for index blocks for MyISAM
tables. Increase this to get better index handling (for
all reads and multiple writes) to as much as you can
afford
- --key-cache-age-threshold=#
+ --key-cache-age-threshold=#
This characterizes the number of hits a hot block has to
be untouched until it is considered aged enough to be
downgraded to a warm block. This specifies the percentage
ratio of that number of hits to the total number of
blocks in key cache
- --key-cache-block-size=#
+ --key-cache-block-size=#
The default size of key cache blocks
- --key-cache-division-limit=#
+ --key-cache-division-limit=#
The minimum percentage of warm blocks in key cache
-L, --language=name Client error messages in given language. May be given as
a full path. Deprecated. Use --lc-messages-dir instead.
--lc-messages=name Set the language used for the error messages.
- --lc-messages-dir=name
+ --lc-messages-dir=name
Directory where error messages are
- --lc-time-names=name
+ --lc-time-names=name
Set the language used for the month names and the days of
the week.
--local-infile Enable LOAD DATA LOCAL INFILE
(Defaults to on; use --skip-local-infile to disable.)
- --lock-wait-timeout=#
+ --lock-wait-timeout=#
Timeout in seconds to wait for a lock before returning an
error.
--log-bin[=name] Log update queries in binary format. Optional (but
strongly recommended to avoid replication problems if
server's hostname changes) argument should be the chosen
location for the binary log files.
- --log-bin-index=name
+ --log-bin-index=name
File that holds the names for binary log files.
- --log-bin-trust-function-creators
+ --log-bin-trust-function-creators
If set to FALSE (the default), then when --log-bin is
used, creation of a stored function (or trigger) is
allowed only to users having the SUPER privilege and only
@@ -250,7 +250,7 @@ The following options may be given as th
--log-isam[=name] Log all MyISAM changes to file.
--log-output=name Syntax: log-output=value[,value...], where "value" could
be TABLE, FILE or NONE
- --log-queries-not-using-indexes
+ --log-queries-not-using-indexes
Log queries that are executed without benefit of any
index to the slow log if it is open
--log-short-format Don't log extra information to update and slow-query
@@ -258,134 +258,134 @@ The following options may be given as th
--log-slave-updates Tells the slave to log the updates from the slave thread
to the binary log. You will need to turn it on if you
plan to daisy-chain the slaves
- --log-slow-admin-statements
+ --log-slow-admin-statements
Log slow OPTIMIZE, ANALYZE, ALTER and other
administrative statements to the slow log if it is open.
- --log-slow-slave-statements
+ --log-slow-slave-statements
Log slow statements executed by slave thread to the slow
log if it is open.
--log-tc=name Path to transaction coordinator log (used for
transactions that affect more than one storage engine,
when binary log is disabled).
--log-tc-size=# Size of transaction coordinator log.
- -W, --log-warnings[=#]
+ -W, --log-warnings[=#]
Log some not critical warnings to the log file
--long-query-time=# Log all queries that have taken more than long_query_time
seconds to execute to file. The argument will be treated
as a decimal value with microsecond precision
- --low-priority-updates
+ --low-priority-updates
INSERT/DELETE/UPDATE has lower priority than selects
- --lower-case-table-names[=#]
+ --lower-case-table-names[=#]
If set to 1 table names are stored in lowercase on disk
and table names will be case-insensitive. Should be set
to 2 if you are using a case insensitive file system
- --master-info-file=name
+ --master-info-file=name
The location and name of the file that remembers the
master and where the I/O replication thread is in the
master's binlogs.
- --master-info-repository=name
+ --master-info-repository=name
Defines the type of the repository for the master
information.
- --master-retry-count=#
+ --master-retry-count=#
The number of tries the slave will make to connect to the
master before giving up. Deprecated option, use 'CHANGE
MASTER TO master_retry_count = ' instead.
- --master-verify-checksum
+ --master-verify-checksum
Force checksum verification of logged events in binary
log before sending them to slaves or printing them in
output of SHOW BINLOG EVENTS. Disabled by default.
- --max-allowed-packet=#
+ --max-allowed-packet=#
Max packet length to send to or receive from the server
- --max-binlog-cache-size=#
+ --max-binlog-cache-size=#
Sets the total size of the transactional cache
- --max-binlog-dump-events=#
+ --max-binlog-dump-events=#
Option used by mysql-test for debugging and testing of
replication.
--max-binlog-size=# Binary log will be rotated automatically when the size
exceeds this value. Will also apply to relay logs if
max_relay_log_size is 0
- --max-binlog-stmt-cache-size=#
+ --max-binlog-stmt-cache-size=#
Sets the total size of the statement cache
- --max-connect-errors=#
+ --max-connect-errors=#
If there is more than this number of interrupted
connections from a host this host will be blocked from
further connections
--max-connections=# The number of simultaneous clients allowed
- --max-delayed-threads=#
+ --max-delayed-threads=#
Don't start more than this number of threads to handle
INSERT DELAYED statements. If set to zero INSERT DELAYED
will be not used
--max-error-count=# Max number of errors/warnings to store for a statement
- --max-heap-table-size=#
+ --max-heap-table-size=#
Don't allow creation of heap tables bigger than this
--max-join-size=# Joins that are probably going to read more than
max_join_size records return an error
- --max-length-for-sort-data=#
+ --max-length-for-sort-data=#
Max number of bytes in sorted records
- --max-prepared-stmt-count=#
+ --max-prepared-stmt-count=#
Maximum number of prepared statements in the server
- --max-relay-log-size=#
+ --max-relay-log-size=#
If non-zero: relay log will be rotated automatically when
the size exceeds this value; if zero: when the size
exceeds max_binlog_size
- --max-seeks-for-key=#
+ --max-seeks-for-key=#
Limit assumed max number of seeks when looking up rows
based on a key
--max-sort-length=# The number of bytes to use when sorting BLOB or TEXT
values (only the first max_sort_length bytes of each
value are used; the rest are ignored)
- --max-sp-recursion-depth[=#]
+ --max-sp-recursion-depth[=#]
Maximum stored procedure recursion depth
--max-tmp-tables=# Maximum number of temporary tables a client can keep open
at a time
- --max-user-connections=#
+ --max-user-connections=#
The maximum number of active connections for a single
user (0 = no limit)
- --max-write-lock-count=#
+ --max-write-lock-count=#
After this many write locks, allow some read locks to run
in between
--memlock Lock mysqld in memory.
- --min-examined-row-limit=#
+ --min-examined-row-limit=#
Don't write queries to slow log that examine fewer rows
than that
- --multi-range-count=#
+ --multi-range-count=#
Number of key ranges to request at once
- --myisam-block-size=#
+ --myisam-block-size=#
Block size to be used for MyISAM index pages
- --myisam-data-pointer-size=#
+ --myisam-data-pointer-size=#
Default pointer size to be used for MyISAM tables
- --myisam-max-sort-file-size=#
+ --myisam-max-sort-file-size=#
Don't use the fast sort index method to created index if
the temporary file would get bigger than this
- --myisam-mmap-size=#
+ --myisam-mmap-size=#
Restricts the total memory used for memory mapping of
MySQL tables
- --myisam-recover-options[=name]
+ --myisam-recover-options[=name]
Syntax: myisam-recover-options[=option[,option...]],
where option can be DEFAULT, BACKUP, FORCE, QUICK, or OFF
- --myisam-repair-threads=#
+ --myisam-repair-threads=#
If larger than 1, when repairing a MyISAM table all
indexes will be created in parallel, with one thread per
index. The value of 1 disables parallel repair
- --myisam-sort-buffer-size=#
+ --myisam-sort-buffer-size=#
The buffer that is allocated when sorting the index when
doing a REPAIR or when creating indexes with CREATE INDEX
or ALTER TABLE
- --myisam-stats-method=name
+ --myisam-stats-method=name
Specifies how MyISAM index statistics collection code
should treat NULLs. Possible values of name are
NULLS_UNEQUAL (default behavior for 4.1 and later),
NULLS_EQUAL (emulate 4.0 behavior), and NULLS_IGNORED
--myisam-use-mmap Use memory mapping for reading and writing MyISAM tables
--named-pipe Enable the named pipe (NT)
- --net-buffer-length=#
+ --net-buffer-length=#
Buffer length for TCP/IP and socket communication
- --net-read-timeout=#
+ --net-read-timeout=#
Number of seconds to wait for more data from a connection
before aborting the read
--net-retry-count=# If a read on a communication port is interrupted, retry
this many times before giving up
- --net-write-timeout=#
+ --net-write-timeout=#
Number of seconds to wait for a block to be written to a
connection before aborting the write
-n, --new Use very new possible "unsafe" functions
@@ -393,27 +393,27 @@ The following options may be given as th
--old-alter-table Use old, non-optimized alter table
--old-passwords Use old password encryption method (needed for 4.0 and
older clients)
- --old-style-user-limits
+ --old-style-user-limits
Enable old-style user limits (before 5.0.3, user
resources were counted per each user+host vs. per
account).
- --open-files-limit=#
+ --open-files-limit=#
If this is not 0, then mysqld will use this value to
reserve file descriptors to use with setrlimit(). If this
value is 0 then mysqld will reserve max_connections*5 or
max_connections + table_cache*2 (whichever is larger)
number of file descriptors
- --optimizer-join-cache-level=#
+ --optimizer-join-cache-level=#
Controls what join operations can be executed with join
buffers. Odd numbers are used for plain join buffers
while even numbers are used for linked buffers
- --optimizer-prune-level=#
+ --optimizer-prune-level=#
Controls the heuristic(s) applied during query
optimization to prune less-promising partial plans from
the optimizer search space. Meaning: 0 - do not apply any
heuristic, thus perform exhaustive search; 1 - prune
plans based on number of retrieved rows
- --optimizer-search-depth=#
+ --optimizer-search-depth=#
Maximum depth of search performed by the query optimizer.
Values larger than the number of relations in a query
result in better query plans, but take longer to compile
@@ -421,81 +421,81 @@ The following options may be given as th
relation result in faster optimization, but may produce
very bad query plans. If set to 0, the system will
automatically pick a reasonable value
- --optimizer-switch=name
+ --optimizer-switch=name
optimizer_switch=option=val[,option=val...], where option
is one of {index_merge, index_merge_union,
index_merge_sort_union, index_merge_intersection,
engine_condition_pushdown, index_condition_pushdown, mrr,
mrr_cost_based} and val is one of {on, off, default}
- --optimizer-trace=name
+ --optimizer-trace=name
Controls tracing of the Optimizer:
optimizer_trace=option=val[,option=val...], where option
is one of {enabled, end_marker, one_line} and val is one
of {on, off, default}
- --optimizer-trace-features=name
+ --optimizer-trace-features=name
Enables/disables tracing of selected features of the
Optimizer:
optimizer_trace_features=option=val[,option=val...],
where option is one of {greedy_search, range_optimizer,
dynamic_range, repeated_subselect} and val is one of {on,
off, default}
- --optimizer-trace-limit=#
+ --optimizer-trace-limit=#
Maximum number of shown optimizer traces
- --optimizer-trace-max-mem-size=#
+ --optimizer-trace-max-mem-size=#
Maximum allowed cumulated size of stored optimizer traces
- --optimizer-trace-offset=#
+ --optimizer-trace-offset=#
Offset of first optimizer trace to show; see manual
- --performance-schema
+ --performance-schema
Enable the performance schema.
- --performance-schema-events-stages-history-long-size=#
+ --performance-schema-events-stages-history-long-size=#
Number of rows in EVENTS_STAGES_HISTORY_LONG.
- --performance-schema-events-stages-history-size=#
+ --performance-schema-events-stages-history-size=#
Number of rows per thread in EVENTS_STAGES_HISTORY.
- --performance-schema-events-statements-history-long-size=#
+ --performance-schema-events-statements-history-long-size=#
Number of rows in EVENTS_STATEMENTS_HISTORY_LONG.
- --performance-schema-events-statements-history-size=#
+ --performance-schema-events-statements-history-size=#
Number of rows per thread in EVENTS_STATEMENTS_HISTORY.
- --performance-schema-events-waits-history-long-size=#
+ --performance-schema-events-waits-history-long-size=#
Number of rows in EVENTS_WAITS_HISTORY_LONG.
- --performance-schema-events-waits-history-size=#
+ --performance-schema-events-waits-history-size=#
Number of rows per thread in EVENTS_WAITS_HISTORY.
- --performance-schema-max-cond-classes=#
+ --performance-schema-max-cond-classes=#
Maximum number of condition instruments.
- --performance-schema-max-cond-instances=#
+ --performance-schema-max-cond-instances=#
Maximum number of instrumented condition objects.
- --performance-schema-max-file-classes=#
+ --performance-schema-max-file-classes=#
Maximum number of file instruments.
- --performance-schema-max-file-handles=#
+ --performance-schema-max-file-handles=#
Maximum number of opened instrumented files.
- --performance-schema-max-file-instances=#
+ --performance-schema-max-file-instances=#
Maximum number of instrumented files.
- --performance-schema-max-mutex-classes=#
+ --performance-schema-max-mutex-classes=#
Maximum number of mutex instruments.
- --performance-schema-max-mutex-instances=#
+ --performance-schema-max-mutex-instances=#
Maximum number of instrumented MUTEX objects.
- --performance-schema-max-rwlock-classes=#
+ --performance-schema-max-rwlock-classes=#
Maximum number of rwlock instruments.
- --performance-schema-max-rwlock-instances=#
+ --performance-schema-max-rwlock-instances=#
Maximum number of instrumented RWLOCK objects.
- --performance-schema-max-socket-classes=#
+ --performance-schema-max-socket-classes=#
Maximum number of socket instruments.
- --performance-schema-max-socket-instances=#
+ --performance-schema-max-socket-instances=#
Maximum number of opened instrumented sockets.
- --performance-schema-max-stage-classes=#
+ --performance-schema-max-stage-classes=#
Maximum number of stage instruments.
- --performance-schema-max-statement-classes=#
+ --performance-schema-max-statement-classes=#
Maximum number of statement instruments.
- --performance-schema-max-table-handles=#
+ --performance-schema-max-table-handles=#
Maximum number of opened instrumented tables.
- --performance-schema-max-table-instances=#
+ --performance-schema-max-table-instances=#
Maximum number of instrumented tables.
- --performance-schema-max-thread-classes=#
+ --performance-schema-max-thread-classes=#
Maximum number of thread instruments.
- --performance-schema-max-thread-instances=#
+ --performance-schema-max-thread-instances=#
Maximum number of instrumented threads.
- --performance-schema-setup-actors-size=#
+ --performance-schema-setup-actors-size=#
Maximum number of rows in SETUP_ACTORS.
- --performance-schema-setup-objects-size=#
+ --performance-schema-setup-objects-size=#
Maximum number of rows in SETUP_OBJECTS.
--pid-file=name Pid file used by safe_mysqld
--plugin-dir=name Directory for plugins
@@ -506,34 +506,34 @@ The following options may be given as th
-P, --port=# Port number to use for connection or 0 to default to,
my.cnf, $MYSQL_TCP_PORT, /etc/services, built-in default
(3306), whatever comes first
- --port-open-timeout=#
+ --port-open-timeout=#
Maximum time in seconds to wait for the port to become
free. (Default: No wait).
- --preload-buffer-size=#
+ --preload-buffer-size=#
The size of the buffer that is allocated when preloading
indexes
- --profiling-history-size=#
+ --profiling-history-size=#
Limit of query profiling memory
- --query-alloc-block-size=#
+ --query-alloc-block-size=#
Allocation block size for query parsing and execution
- --query-cache-limit=#
+ --query-cache-limit=#
Don't cache results that are bigger than this
- --query-cache-min-res-unit=#
+ --query-cache-min-res-unit=#
The minimum size for blocks allocated by the query cache
- --query-cache-size=#
+ --query-cache-size=#
The memory allocated to store results from old queries
- --query-cache-type=name
+ --query-cache-type=name
OFF = Don't cache or retrieve results. ON = Cache all
results except SELECT SQL_NO_CACHE ... queries. DEMAND =
Cache only SELECT SQL_CACHE ... queries
- --query-cache-wlock-invalidate
+ --query-cache-wlock-invalidate
Invalidate queries in query cache on LOCK for write
- --query-prealloc-size=#
+ --query-prealloc-size=#
Persistent buffer for query parsing and execution
- --range-alloc-block-size=#
+ --range-alloc-block-size=#
Allocation block size for storing ranges during
optimization
- --read-buffer-size=#
+ --read-buffer-size=#
Each thread that does a sequential scan allocates a
buffer of this size for each table it scans. If you do
many sequential scans, you may want to increase this
@@ -541,29 +541,29 @@ The following options may be given as th
--read-only Make all non-temporary tables read-only, with the
exception for replication (slave) threads and users with
the SUPER privilege
- --read-rnd-buffer-size=#
+ --read-rnd-buffer-size=#
When reading rows in sorted order after a sort, the rows
are read through this buffer to avoid a disk seeks
--relay-log=name The location and name to use for relay logs
- --relay-log-index=name
+ --relay-log-index=name
File that holds the names for relay log files.
- --relay-log-info-file=name
+ --relay-log-info-file=name
The location and name of the file that remembers where
the SQL replication thread is in the relay logs
- --relay-log-info-repository=name
+ --relay-log-info-repository=name
Defines the type of the repository for the relay log
information.
--relay-log-purge if disabled - do not purge relay logs. if enabled - purge
them as soon as they are no more needed
(Defaults to on; use --skip-relay-log-purge to disable.)
- --relay-log-recovery
+ --relay-log-recovery
Enables automatic relay log recovery right after the
database startup, which means that the IO Thread starts
re-fetching from the master right after the last
transaction processed
- --relay-log-space-limit=#
+ --relay-log-space-limit=#
Maximum space to use for all relay logs
- --replicate-do-db=name
+ --replicate-do-db=name
Tells the slave thread to restrict replication to the
specified database. To specify more than one database,
use the directive multiple times, once for each database.
@@ -573,36 +573,36 @@ The following options may be given as th
database. If you need cross database updates to work,
make sure you have 3.23.28 or later, and use
replicate-wild-do-table=db_name.%.
- --replicate-do-table=name
+ --replicate-do-table=name
Tells the slave thread to restrict replication to the
specified table. To specify more than one table, use the
directive multiple times, once for each table. This will
work for cross-database updates, in contrast to
replicate-do-db.
- --replicate-ignore-db=name
+ --replicate-ignore-db=name
Tells the slave thread to not replicate to the specified
database. To specify more than one database to ignore,
use the directive multiple times, once for each database.
This option will not work if you use cross database
updates. If you need cross database updates to work, make
sure you have 3.23.28 or later, and use
- replicate-wild-ignore-table=db_name.%.
- --replicate-ignore-table=name
+ replicate-wild-ignore-table=db_name.%.
+ --replicate-ignore-table=name
Tells the slave thread to not replicate to the specified
table. To specify more than one table to ignore, use the
directive multiple times, once for each table. This will
work for cross-database updates, in contrast to
replicate-ignore-db.
- --replicate-rewrite-db=name
+ --replicate-rewrite-db=name
Updates to a database with a different name than the
original. Example:
replicate-rewrite-db=master_db_name->slave_db_name.
- --replicate-same-server-id
+ --replicate-same-server-id
In replication, if set to 1, do not skip events having
our server id. Default value is 0 (to break infinite
loops in circular replication). Can't be set to 1 if
--log-slave-updates is used.
- --replicate-wild-do-table=name
+ --replicate-wild-do-table=name
Tells the slave thread to restrict replication to the
tables that match the specified wildcard pattern. To
specify more than one table, use the directive multiple
@@ -611,7 +611,7 @@ The following options may be given as th
replicate-wild-do-table=foo%.bar% will replicate only
updates to tables in all databases that start with foo
and whose table names start with bar.
- --replicate-wild-ignore-table=name
+ --replicate-wild-ignore-table=name
Tells the slave thread to not replicate to the tables
that match the given wildcard pattern. To specify more
than one table to ignore, use the directive multiple
@@ -629,7 +629,7 @@ The following options may be given as th
NAT and other routing issues, that IP may not be valid
for connecting to the slave from the master or other
hosts
- --report-password=name
+ --report-password=name
The account password of the slave to be reported to the
master during slave registration
--report-port=# Port for connecting to slave reported to the master
@@ -644,15 +644,15 @@ The following options may be given as th
write privileges to the mysql.user table.
--secure-auth Disallow authentication for accounts that have old
(pre-4.1) passwords
- --secure-file-priv=name
+ --secure-file-priv=name
Limit LOAD DATA, SELECT ... OUTFILE, and LOAD_FILE() to
files within specified directory
--server-id=# Uniquely identifies the server instance in the community
of replication partners
--shared-memory Enable the shared memory
- --shared-memory-base-name=name
+ --shared-memory-base-name=name
Base name of shared memory
- --show-slave-auth-info
+ --show-slave-auth-info
Show user and password in SHOW SLAVE HOSTS on this
master.
--skip-grant-tables Start without grant tables. This gives all users FULL
@@ -662,46 +662,46 @@ The following options may be given as th
'localhost'.
--skip-networking Don't allow connection with TCP/IP
--skip-new Don't use new, possibly wrong routines.
- --skip-show-database
+ --skip-show-database
Don't allow 'SHOW DATABASE' commands
--skip-slave-start If set, slave is not autostarted.
--skip-stack-trace Don't print a stack trace on failure.
- --slave-compressed-protocol
+ --slave-compressed-protocol
Use compression on master/slave protocol
- --slave-exec-mode=name
+ --slave-exec-mode=name
Modes for how replication events should be executed.
Legal values are STRICT (default) and IDEMPOTENT. In
IDEMPOTENT mode, replication will not stop for operations
that are idempotent. In STRICT mode, replication will
stop on any unexpected difference between the master and
the slave
- --slave-load-tmpdir=name
+ --slave-load-tmpdir=name
The location where the slave should put its temporary
files when replicating a LOAD DATA INFILE command
- --slave-net-timeout=#
+ --slave-net-timeout=#
Number of seconds to wait for more data from a
master/slave connection before aborting the read
- --slave-skip-errors=name
+ --slave-skip-errors=name
Tells the slave thread to continue replication when a
query event returns an error from the provided list
- --slave-sql-verify-checksum
+ --slave-sql-verify-checksum
Force checksum verification of replication events after
reading them from relay log. Note: Events are always
checksum-verified by slave on receiving them from the
network before writing them to the relay log. Enabled by
default.
(Defaults to on; use --skip-slave-sql-verify-checksum to disable.)
- --slave-transaction-retries=#
+ --slave-transaction-retries=#
Number of times the slave SQL thread will retry a
transaction in case it failed with a deadlock or elapsed
lock wait timeout, before giving up and stopping
- --slave-type-conversions=name
+ --slave-type-conversions=name
Set of slave type conversions that are enabled. Legal
values are: ALL_LOSSY to enable lossy conversions and
ALL_NON_LOSSY to enable non-lossy conversions. If the
variable is assigned the empty set, no conversions are
allowed and it is expected that the types match exactly.
- --slow-launch-time=#
+ --slow-launch-time=#
If creating the thread takes longer than this value (in
seconds), the Slow_launch_threads counter will be
incremented
@@ -709,32 +709,32 @@ The following options may be given as th
to a file hostname-slow.log or a table mysql.slow_log if
--log-output=TABLE is used. Must be enabled to activate
other slow log options
- --slow-query-log-file=name
+ --slow-query-log-file=name
Log slow queries to given log file. Defaults logging to
hostname-slow.log. Must be enabled to activate other slow
log options
--socket=name Socket file to use for connection
- --sort-buffer-size=#
+ --sort-buffer-size=#
Each thread that needs to do a sort allocates a buffer of
this size
- --sporadic-binlog-dump-fail
+ --sporadic-binlog-dump-fail
Option used by mysql-test for debugging and testing of
replication.
--sql-mode=name Syntax: sql-mode=mode[,mode[,mode...]]. See the manual
for the complete list of valid sql modes
--standalone Dummy option to start as a standalone program (NT).
- -s, --symbolic-links
+ -s, --symbolic-links
Enable symbolic link support.
--sync-binlog=# Synchronously flush binary log to disk after every #th
event. Use 0 (default) to disable synchronous flushing
--sync-frm Sync .frm files to disk on creation
(Defaults to on; use --skip-sync-frm to disable.)
- --sync-master-info=#
+ --sync-master-info=#
Synchronously flush master info to disk after every #th
event. Use 0 (default) to disable synchronous flushing
--sync-relay-log=# Synchronously flush relay log to disk after every #th
event. Use 0 (default) to disable synchronous flushing
- --sync-relay-log-info=#
+ --sync-relay-log-info=#
Synchronously flush relay log info to disk after every
#th transaction. Use 0 (default) to disable synchronous
flushing
@@ -743,16 +743,16 @@ The following options may be given as th
value different for different invocations, even within
the same statement.
--table-cache=# Deprecated; use --table-open-cache instead.
- --table-definition-cache=#
+ --table-definition-cache=#
The number of cached table definitions
- --table-open-cache=#
+ --table-open-cache=#
The number of cached open tables
- --tc-heuristic-recover=name
+ --tc-heuristic-recover=name
Decision to use in heuristic recover process. Possible
values are COMMIT or ROLLBACK.
- --thread-cache-size=#
+ --thread-cache-size=#
How many threads we should keep in a cache for reuse
- --thread-handling=name
+ --thread-handling=name
Define threads usage for handling queries, one of
one-thread-per-connection, no-threads, loaded-dynamically
--thread-stack=# The stack size for each thread
@@ -765,15 +765,15 @@ The following options may be given as th
-t, --tmpdir=name Path for temporary files. Several paths may be specified,
separated by a semicolon (;), in this case they are used
in a round-robin fashion
- --transaction-alloc-block-size=#
+ --transaction-alloc-block-size=#
Allocation block size for transactions to be stored in
binary log
- --transaction-isolation=name
+ --transaction-isolation=name
Default transaction isolation level.
- --transaction-prealloc-size=#
+ --transaction-prealloc-size=#
Persistent buffer for transactions to be stored in binary
log
- --updatable-views-with-limit=name
+ --updatable-views-with-limit=name
YES = Don't issue an error message (warning only) if a
VIEW without presence of a key of the underlying table is
used in queries with a LIMIT clause for updating. NO =
@@ -842,9 +842,9 @@ general-log FALSE
group-concat-max-len 1024
help TRUE
ignore-builtin-innodb FALSE
-init-connect
+init-connect
init-file (No default value)
-init-slave
+init-slave
interactive-timeout 28800
join-buffer-size 131072
keep-files-on-create FALSE
@@ -861,7 +861,7 @@ lock-wait-timeout 31536000
log-bin (No default value)
log-bin-index (No default value)
log-bin-trust-function-creators FALSE
-log-error
+log-error
log-isam myisam.log
log-output FILE
log-queries-not-using-indexes FALSE
@@ -925,7 +925,7 @@ optimizer-join-cache-level 4
optimizer-prune-level 1
optimizer-search-depth 62
optimizer-switch index_merge=on,index_merge_union=on,index_merge_sort_union=on,index_merge_intersection=on,engine_condition_pushdown=on,index_condition_pushdown=on,mrr=on,mrr_cost_based=on
-optimizer-trace
+optimizer-trace
optimizer-trace-features greedy_search=on,range_optimizer=on,dynamic_range=on,repeated_subselect=on
optimizer-trace-limit 1
optimizer-trace-max-mem-size 16384
@@ -1002,12 +1002,12 @@ slave-net-timeout 3600
slave-skip-errors (No default value)
slave-sql-verify-checksum TRUE
slave-transaction-retries 10
-slave-type-conversions
+slave-type-conversions
slow-launch-time 2
slow-query-log FALSE
sort-buffer-size 2097152
sporadic-binlog-dump-fail FALSE
-sql-mode
+sql-mode
symbolic-links FALSE
sync-binlog 0
sync-frm TRUE
=== modified file 'mysql-test/suite/perfschema/r/start_server_no_socket_class.result'
--- a/mysql-test/suite/perfschema/r/start_server_no_socket_class.result 2011-03-28 23:37:10 +0000
+++ b/mysql-test/suite/perfschema/r/start_server_no_socket_class.result 2011-07-25 03:40:14 +0000
@@ -73,7 +73,7 @@ performance_schema_max_rwlock_classes 30
performance_schema_max_rwlock_instances 5000
performance_schema_max_socket_classes 0
performance_schema_max_socket_instances 1000
-performance_schema_max_stage_classes 100
+performance_schema_max_stage_classes 150
performance_schema_max_statement_classes 165
performance_schema_max_table_handles 1000
performance_schema_max_table_instances 500
=== modified file 'mysql-test/suite/perfschema/r/start_server_no_socket_inst.result'
--- a/mysql-test/suite/perfschema/r/start_server_no_socket_inst.result 2011-03-28 23:37:10 +0000
+++ b/mysql-test/suite/perfschema/r/start_server_no_socket_inst.result 2011-07-25 03:40:14 +0000
@@ -73,7 +73,7 @@ performance_schema_max_rwlock_classes 30
performance_schema_max_rwlock_instances 5000
performance_schema_max_socket_classes 10
performance_schema_max_socket_instances 0
-performance_schema_max_stage_classes 100
+performance_schema_max_stage_classes 150
performance_schema_max_statement_classes 165
performance_schema_max_table_handles 1000
performance_schema_max_table_instances 500
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Vincent Van Gogh’s Ominous Wheatfield With Crows Intrigues
My father was good for me, and I am who i’m because of the unconditional love he gave me. I owe him lots, and i will at all times honor him. Van accessibility is crucial […]
My father was good for me, and I am who i’m because of the unconditional love he gave me. I owe him lots, and i will at all times honor him. Van accessibility is crucial just by trying at the advancing wants of child boomers, the veterans returning with accidents and people like your partner who had been in the flawed place on the flawed second and are paying the value for it the remainder of their lives. Van also did an ideal model with Ray Charles for the album Genius Loves Company, however I still desire the original album model to each of those for it is simple, timeless magnificence.
You need your mattress low enough so you possibly can sit up straight in your mattress but permit for ample storage beneath and long sufficient so you may sleep straight without the bed taking up your whole van. You could half the van interior so half is living space and half is working space, all relies on how large a van you get. So most instances the van spot has a non van in it while there are many non van handicap spots open.
As famous above, federal regulation only requires one van accessible parking space for every eight accessible areas, and these spaces are not for vans solely. There are two variations that Van Morrison mentioned he actually appreciated, one by Bobby McFerrin and one by Grady Tate. It discusses his surroundings and others who had affect upon him; offers with 12 of his vital paintings photos starting from the Potato Eaters to the very ominous Crows over a Wheatfield; and covers the several types of photos that Van Gogh painted including portraits, interiors, florals and landscapes.
The Turkish Van is taken into account to be a regional treasure in its native homeland, and has not been readily available for commerce to other parts of the world. The Turkish Van cat has been nicknamed the swimming cat” because of its apparent fascination with water. I just took a cross nation road journey with my grandfather and he is in a wheelchair and drives a wheelchair van. The second time, we went to a program at our youngsters’ school and parked in a van accessible spot.
This Van has mild within the back, however I don’t like to make use of it for the entire night, so I take some extra gentle with me. Commuter vans are used as an alternative choice to carpooling and other ride sharing preparations. Van got here back strong with this album after a 3 yr absence from recording music and the poorly received Period of Transition album. | {
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Troy
Part of the Hudson Valley’s River Town Revival: Troy, NY
Troy’s waterfront continues to attract new businesses and development, including a major upgrade to Riverfront Park
PHOTOGRAPH BY MATT WADE
Named after the ancient locale in Homer’s Iliad, Troy, on the eastern bank of the Hudson, about eight miles north of Albany, was once dubbed “Collar City” because of its explosive textile production. Housewife Hannah Lord Montague, frustrated by having to frequently wash her husband’s shirts, also pioneered the convenient concept of the detached collar here. Through the 19th and early 20th centuries, Troy served as a shipping hub for vegetables and meat to boot, but the city was perhaps best known as an epicenter for iron manufacturing, rivaled only by Pittsburgh.
Troy, first settled by the Mahican tribe, then the Dutch, was nearly destroyed by fire three times. It faced more unfortunate hardships, however, when post-Prohibition, a slew of seemingly stable factory jobs dissipated. A diaspora to the suburbs was underway and the city, home to industrial behemoths like the Meneely Bell Company and W. & L.E. Gurley, Co., makers of precision instruments, ushered in an era of economic depression and dilapidation.
The world-famous Troy Savings Bank Music Hall, home to the legendary Odell organ, first opened in 1870
PHOTOGRAPH BY MATT WADE
After a long spell of suffering, Troy is assuredly in the midst of a renaissance, fueled by access to such top-notch educational institutions as Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and Russell Sage College. A modern wave of technology companies has helped Troy honor its past while delving into the future. Consider Ross Technology Park, whose tenants include Ross Valve Manufacturing and Autopart International. Video game companies, like Agora Games, also underscore tech-savvy progress. Wide-ranging businesses, from indoor golf center, OptiGolf; to Ecovative Design, a packaging supply store; to Rare Form Brewing Company, making the likes of Wee Plaid Scottish Ale, all point to a motely commercial resurgence.
“We’re particularly excited with what’s happening downtown. All these new businesses opened, which opened jobs,” says Troy’s mayor, Lou Rosamilia, who notes development has been on the rise since 2012.
Currently, a two-year plan to revamp City Hall is in the works. The $27 million-mixed-use project will meld restaurants and residential spaces, and will also serve as the permanent home of the wildly popular Troy Farmers’ Market. “It will be a nice piece of the downtown jigsaw puzzle,” Rosamilia adds.
Heidi Benjamin is one resident smitten with the changing face of Troy. The wedding photographer, who recently debuted the open-plan events venue, Takk House, in an old Knights of Columbus building with her fiancé, grew up 15 minutes outside of Albany, and moved to Troy three years ago. “It’s hard to find a truly neighborly area to live in, but Troy has this community that is energizing and adorable. Everybody here feels the same way. We actually know our neighbors and help everyone out,” she says.
“It’s hard to find a truly neighborly area to live in, but Troy has this community that is energizing and adorable”
Downtown Troy is now filled with creative businesses, many run by couples, observes Benjamin, who are drawn to its rich architectural past and well-preserved Victorian buildings. Beauty is glimpsed in such marvels as the marble-fronted Hart-Cluett Mansion and the soaring Troy Savings Bank Music Hall.
“There’s a great demand for people to be downtown now, whether it’s converting historic buildings into homes or simply parking the car and walking around,” says Rosamilia.
The lively farmers’ market is a weekend ritual, and now, so is wandering through quirky, artsy destinations, including Collar Works gallery, Blue Bird Home Décor, Troy Cloth & Paper, and the Daily Grind. There are no signs of slowing down. Newcomers include Peck’s Arcade, a small-plates restaurant set in a one-time department store in the circa-1874 Clark House from the same couple who opened the Lucas Confectionery, a wine bar in an overhauled downtown bar; Annie Patterson’s Fancy Shop puts antiques and locally crafted goods in the spotlight; Slidin’ Dirty has evolved from a food truck to a brick and mortar restaurant; and the owners of the Shop, a restaurant and bar housed in the old Trojan Hardware store, are currently planning the deli, Harrison’s Corner Market.
All this positivity has spawned St. Peter’s Health Partners to invest $99 million in the form of the Troy Master Facilities Plan redevelopment project. “It’s a ‘Healthy Future, Healthy Troy’ campaign,” points out Rosamilia. “And it’s a healthier Troy in a lot of ways.”
Troy Farmers’ Market
Chatting with Troy resident Heidi Benjamin:
Q: What is the biggest change you’ve seen since arriving in Troy?
A: We’ve only been here as a business for under a year, and in that time I would say that at least six to eight businesses have opened. We can’t go to all of them regularly because there are so many.
Q: What are some of your favorite local spots?
A: We usually go to Psychedelicatessen every weekend for the most delicious bagels ever, and we like to visit Muddaddy Flats, our neighbors’ quesadillary. They are the sweetest people.
Q: What do you love most about Troy?
A: The farmers’ market in the summer is pretty much the best place in the world. Nothing compares to getting a delicious coffee and strolling down the riverfront through a sea of vendors smelling fresh bread in the wind. | {
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No, you can’t let go of me
Stick around even though its tough on you
If I can see you for a bit longer
I’ll attempt to laugh as much as love there is left
Timeless
It’s not a parting
If it’s once in a lifetime
It’s us
Hold time baby timeless
Bury it in this heart
Like a momentary fever
It’ll only hurt for a moment
We gonna please
this is timeless love
Although the world may all leave
Will it take the sadness along with it
I miss it
You calling me again
Only the pain in my heart will be left behind
Swallowing back the tears I threw up
Around then will I finally know
Hold my hand
Don’t leave
Timeless
It’s not goodbye
If it’s once in a lifetime
It’s us
Hold time baby timeless
Bury it in this heart
Like a momentary fever
It’ll only hurt for a moment
We gonna please
this is timeless gone
yeah
baby is timeless
Hold time baby timeless
So I can return to you
Like a momentary fever only for a moment
(Only for a moment) It’ll hurt
We gonna please this is timeless
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Warriors sign Corey Maggette
Posted by
Inside Hoops
Jul
10
The Golden State Warriors have signed free agent forward Corey Maggette to a contract, Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations Chris Mullin announced today. Per team policy, terms of the agreement were not announced.
Maggette, 28, appeared in 70 games (65 starts) last season with the Los Angeles Clippers, averaging 22.1 points, 5.6 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 1.01 steals in 35.7 minutes per contest. He ranked 11th in the NBA in scoring, fourth in free throws made and sixth in free throws attempted, while shooting 45.8% (458-1,000 FG) from the field, 38.4% (78-203 3FG) from three-point range and 81.2% (553-681 FT) from the line. Maggette, who established a new career high in three-point percentage last season, scored 30-or-more points eight times and tallied 20-or-more points 43 times – including in 38 of his final 44 games played.
“We are really excited to add a player of Corey’s ability to our team,” said Mullin. “He’s been one of the most productive players in our league for the last several years and provides us with additional versatility and veteran leadership.”
A nine-year NBA veteran who has spent the last eight seasons with the Clippers, Maggette owns career averages of 16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, 2.2 assists and 29.1 minutes in 589 games with Orlando and Los Angeles. The 6’6’’ 225-pound Maggette, who has averaged more than 20 points per game and led the Clippers in scoring three times in the last five seasons, had his finest NBA campaign in 2004-05, establishing career highs in scoring (22.2 ppg), rebounding (6.0 rpg) and assists (3.4 apg). A career 81.9% shooter from the free throw line, the Duke University product has shot better than 80% from the stripe in each of the last seven seasons, while also ranking in the NBA’s top-five in free throws made and top-10 in free throws attempted in four of the last five seasons. | {
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This system is best known for having the Banu's main indentured servitude market. The practice is a traditional and accepted part of Banu society and treated as such here. On the whole, the system is considered more dangerous than other Banu Systems, but most of that can be blamed on the Human element that frequents it.
Gravitational Governors
Planets
A naturally oxygen-based terrestrial planet, Kins II is home to the indentured servants markets that the planet is now famous for. Outside of the Banu cities, however, travelers have noted ruins in areas that the Banu have not settled in. The stylings don't resemble any of the aesthetic or design choices normally found in Banu architecture.
Completely defying any existing Banu engineering styles, these sites have long baffled xenoarcheologists about who (or what) built them.
An ice planet with a surface that appears to be on fire. This hot ice planet has a high pressure atmosphere that keeps water from evaporating and instead forces it back to its core. The atmospheric conditions make it inhospitable and impossible to mine for resources. | {
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Ways to Maintain Safety of Hearing in Construction Jobs
Noise pollution is one of the commonest pollution nowadays. Exposure to loud noise is hazardous to health. Prolonged exposure to noise emitting sources can even lead to permanent deprivation of auditory functions. Loud noise also disturbs the mental well-being of a person, thereby debilitating the normal functioning of his brain.
Industries are one of the major sources of noise production. The large machineries used at construction sites, mines and other such emit sounds above the safety standards. Chronic exposure to loud noise in the workplace immensely harms the health of the workers. This renders them unable to do their work properly. Therefore measures should be taken to ensure safety to them. Here are some of the measures you need to take in order to prevent hearing loss among workers in construction jobs:
Monitor their daily exposure to noise
The noise production in your factory or construction site should be monitored time to time. On an average, no employee should get an exposure to noise greater than 85 decibels for more than 8 hours. On the other hand, your workplace should not produce any noise greater than 130 decibel. To monitor this, you can install a noise control display.
Perform audiometric assessment
Best tradesman jobs always recommend that the effect of loud noise on the auditory function of the workers should be assessed on regular intervals. You can contact a doctor for such and examination. This will help you understand whether the noise at the workplace is affecting their health and will also help you to make necessary amendments.
Conduct deafness prevention sessions
You can consult an expert for conducting a deafness prevention programme. You can look into every aspect of noise production and recognise the particular places that need to be dealt with.
Apply advanced engineering techniques
This is very effective in controlling excessive noise. This includes a thorough survey of all your equipment at work by an engineer. You can take his aid to re-design excessive noise producing machineries following newer and advanced techniques to cut down the noise. If this idea is not that apt, consider installing newer devices for better results.
Provide the workers with proper noise protection
You should make it mandatory for the workers in high risk zone (greater than 85 decibels) to use ear plugs while working. This will decrease the noise entering into their ears. You can also encourage the use of background noise cancelling devices for enhancing communication among them.
Enclose noise producing devices in sound-proof spaces
If you do not have provisions for any of the above means, consider enclosing the major noise producing devices in sound proof rooms. This will at least not let the sound leak out and can help to diminish the extent of pollution.
Motivate and convince the employees
You can conduct training for all your employees about the hazards of getting exposed to louder noise. You can teach them proper usage of ear plugs and also the significance of using advanced and less sound producing technologies when it comes to health and safety.
Loud noise in workplace brings both physical and psychological stress to the workers. This brings down their productivity thereby making tradesman jobs even tougher. So make sure to provide a noise free ambience to the workers which will definitely make them concentrate and communicate more effectively. | {
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South Korea sends proposal for talks to North Korea
Seoul, Aug 11 IANS | 8 months ago
South Korea Monday offered North Korea a dialogue session Aug 19 at the abandoned village of Panmunjom on the de facto border between the two Koreas.
"The government sent a proposal under the name of Kim Kyou-hyun, chief delegate of South Korea to the North via the inter-Korean communications channel this morning, proposing to hold the second inter-Korean high level meeting," Seoul's unification ministry said in a statement.
South Korea has proposed holding the meeting next week and asked North Korea to suggest a convenient date if necessary, Xinhua reported.
Seoul offered to meet at Tongilgak, the administrative building on the North Korean side of Panmunjom.
The ministry said it delivered its proposal to Pyongyang to discuss matters of mutual interest, including family reunions, during the dialogue.
The first inter-Korean high level meeting was also held in Panmunjom Feb 12.
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Witnessing Greatness: The 2022 Washington Redskins Defense
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WASHINGTON - Nobody on the team is going to be interested in talking about it now, but legacies are at stake for the 2022 Redskins. It’s particularly so for the defense, which already has earned consideration among the greatest in XCFL history. Finishing out strong and it could cause all objective observers to delete the “among” from that assessment. This is no small thing, and it’s worth addressing before the season ends.
At some point in the not-distant future, analysts will look back at the Redskins of the twenty-twenties and compare them to Super Bowl-era powerhouses like the Steel Curtain of Pittsburgh, Da Bears under Ditka and Buddy Ryan, the three-peat Cowboys and a small handful of other clubs that have strung together strong defensive seasons.
Already having led the XCFL in fewest points allowed for three straight seasons has lifted the Redskins’ defense to among the historical elite. Only the Cleveland Browns of the mid-50s have bettered that, leading for five straight seasons.
But that was when the league had 12 teams and played 12 games each season.
The degree of difficulty in sustaining any streak in today’s XCFL is higher than it’s ever been, given free agency, the salary cap and rules favoring offenses.
As early as 2019, Redskins cornerback Tomas Holland was asked how the team would stack up against some of the legendary predecessors.
“The only difference is we play under all these different defensive rules,” Holland said. “The Steel Curtain Steelers, the ’85 Bears, those are hard-hitting defenses. But they were allowed to play defense the way it’s supposed to be played.”
In addition to leading the points-against rankings from 2020 through now, the Redskins also led the total defense (yards) standings in 2020 and 2021, and are leading by a large margin this season.
None of this seems to be ending anytime soon, as the five returning Pro Bowlers from last season are all still in their prime. Jatavis Brown is the oldest at 28, but Elite corners Tomas Holland and Taylor Nunley are 24 and 23 respectively, Derek Barnett 26, Montae Nicholson 26, and Cesar Clayborn 23.
“We’ve got a lot of great players and a lot of people who one day will be in Canton (Pro Football Hall of Fame),” Clayborn said Monday after practice. “We never look too far ahead in the season. Our legacy is just one game at a time, and I think that’s why we’ve been able to be at the top of the game. We’re going to let the writers determine if we’ve got that legacy or not.”
Okay, Cesar, I’m saying that you do. But it will be enhanced with another two games of dominance.
A couple reasons why they’ll achieve it:
The Redskins can become just the third team in XCFL history to complete a season undefeated.
They also can become the FIRST team in XCFL history to hold opponents under 200 yards of total offense for an entire season.
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Thursday, March 22, 2012
Asking For Facebook Passwords... Disturbing?
Could This Even Be Trouble For the Employer?
This week, the Washington Post ran a story
on an example of a potentially disturbing trend in Human Resources
practices. They told the tale of Justin Bassett. Bassett was
interviewing for a new job. In the course of the interview, he was asked
for his Facebook password. Bassett refused to give it and even walked
out on the interview, saying he did not want to work for a company that
would ask for such personal information.
If Justin
Bassett's experience were an anomaly, a strange occurrence that most
companies would not repeat, that would be one thing. But, it is becoming
more and more common for employers to ask for such things. And, it
doesn't stop at Facebook passwords. Some employers are asking for
Twitter and other social site passwords, as well as email passwords.
Employers Protect Themselves
It
is not uncommon, and is almost expected nowadays, for employers to do
comprehensive web searches on prospective employees. Companies want to
know as much as they legally can find out about the people they are
hiring. Is this person a habitual drunk? Does he have children? Does he
have a tendency to bad-mouth his past employers publicly? Does he post
potentially embarrassing material online?
Sometimes, a
simple Facebook search will reveal a person's profile, pictures,
personal information, posts and comments. Especially with Facebook's
dizzying security and privacy policies and changes over the past few
years, a person may not be aware of what they can hide and how. Combine
that with Facebook's incessant insistence that we "share" everything
about ourselves so we can have a "better browsing experience", and the
possibility of embarrassing revelations gets almost unavoidable.
Employers
who have not yet committed to hiring someone have free reign to reject
their application for any legal reason, or no reason at all. They are
under no obligation, generally, to explain themselves. So, any "hitches"
their online search turns up could result in an application being
summarily round-filed. It could be over political affiliation, lifestyle
choices, friendships, opinions publicly stated, or any other reason.
Employers don't have to tell you why they "chose to go another
direction".
But, what if you've been careful? You've
enabled privacy settings. You've insulated your Facebook and other
accounts from public scrutiny. You Google yourself and run other checks
regularly. Your public face is neat, even if your private life is wild.
Is there some expectation that your life is your own? Can an employer
rightly - or even legally - ask for your Facebook login and password so
they can walk right through your meticulously set up barriers for
privacy?
Justin Bassett thought not. And, he acted on
his values in that case. He not only refused to grant access, but he
withdrew his application and walked out. He was in that ideal position:
to be able to evaluate his potential employer just as stringently as he
was being evaluated. But, many people are not in a position to do that.
They feel they must trade their opinions and values on such matters as
privacy for a much-needed paycheck.
It's A Hot Topic
The
topic has come up a lot within the past few days. It has been a
question that has been asked a lot on Twitter, resulting in such
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Pumpkin Everything Sponge Fleece Crew Neck Sweatshirt, Rose Gold
This cozy sweatshirt is warm enough to be cozy and light enough to not overheat. Our fan fave Pumpkin Everything is in a shimmer rose gold print on a light grey marble crew neck sponge fleece sweatshirt. The perfect touch to a basic fall and winter wardrobe staple! | {
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Man 'Misdiagnosed With Flu' In Coma For Three Months Fighting Life-Threatening Sepsis
A patient who claims he was misdiagnosed with flu was later hospitalised for three months due to life-threatening sepsis.
Mark Sollis, 54, began experiencing flu-like symptoms such as coughing, aching muscles and tiredness when his GP told him to rest.
But a week later his symptoms grew more severe and his wife, Diane, rushed him to A&E.
Once there, doctors diagnosed him with sepsis - a common but potentially life-threatening condition triggered by an infection.
The IT manager was placed in a medically induced coma and was forced to remain in hospital for a total of three months.
Mark Sollis
"It was horrendous. It all happened so quickly. Mark had not had a day off sick in 20 years yet was suddenly fighting for his life. And he was facing an illness I knew nothing about - I hadn’t heard of sepsis before," Diane told the Mail Online.
According to the NHS, the most common sites of infection leading to sepsis are the lungs, urinary tract, abdomen (tummy) and pelvis. But occasionally, sepsis can follow on from flu.
When a person is suffering from sepsis their body’s immune system goes into overdrive, setting off a series of reactions including widespread inflammation, swelling and blood clotting.
When Mark arrived at A&E he was initially diagnosed with phenomena, but doctors quickly realised there was a further underlying problem.
After running a series of tests they discovered that Mark had pneumonia caused by the bacterial infection legionella. They believe this is probably what caused him to develop sepsis.
At first Mark was put on drips with antibiotics and fluids in intensive care, but when his health deteriorated, doctors were forced to place him in a medically induced coma to limit the impact of the illness.
If the body goes into septic shock its organs can begin to fail. NHS figures state that four in 10 people with sepsis will die.
Mark and Diane
After weeks of treatment, Mark was finally brought back to full consciousness.
When Diane asked him how he was feeling his first words were "not good".
"I can’t describe how wonderful it was to hear his voice again - my husband was back," Diane said.
Mark is now sharing his story with the help of the UK Sepsis Trust to raise awareness of the condition so that others do not delay seeking treatment.
He has said he is grateful that Good Hope Hospital in Birmingham spotted the symptoms of sepsis within hours of him arriving at A&E and move quickly with his treatment.
He said: "If I had gone somewhere else, there’s a good chance I would not be having this conversation." | {
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Creag nan Speireag
Climbs 12 – Rocktype Mica schist – Altitude 308m a.s.l – Faces S
Crag features
A small attractive wall in an idyllic situation with a grassy base and expansive sunny views over the tranquil Loch Voil. The climbing is good but the rock is Arrochar schist at it's most obtuse, with blind fingery holds and hidden spaced protection - add a full grade for onsight leads of most routes. There are some harder lines to go and the crag deserves more attention.
Access notes
To get to Bleater's Wall, park in layby shortly after a house called Rhuveag (which is after Creagruie), then walk up through trees a short distance to the lowest crags; skirt around these to get to Bleaters Wall (the lowest *south-facing* wall), approx 5 min walk uphill from the lowest west-facing slabby crag (Bleaters is pretty much directly above it). | {
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How The World's Largest Company Thinks About Social Responsibility
“As the world’s largest producer of laundry detergents, Walmart has challenged laundry manufacturers to reduce 25% of the water content in every dose of detergent in North America by 2018. For P&G alone, a 25% water reduction in every dose of liquid laundry detergent means over 45 million gallons of water saved in the U.S., fewer plastic bottles, and less waste,” explained Kathleen McLaughlin, president of the Walmart Foundation. We discussed how McLaughlin came to this work, her goals and vision for this role, a wide range of global sustainability efforts, their women’s economic empowerment initiative, measuring success, and much more.
Walmart employs 2.2 million associates globally, including approximately 1.3 million in the United States, and is one of the largest private employers in the U.S. and Canada. For the fiscal year ended January 2014, Walmart increased net sales by 1.4% to $473 billion and returned $12.8 billion to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. Walmart ranks first on the FORTUNE 500 list of the world’s largest companies by revenue.
Rahim Kanani: Tell me a little bit about your position at the Walmart Foundation, and what you hope to achieve in this role?
Kathleen McLaughlin: I serve as the president of the Walmart Foundation and the senior vice president of corporate affairs at Walmart. In my role I lead corporate giving efforts and am responsible for the company’s global sustainability, women’s economic empowerment and food and nutrition initiatives.
I came to Walmart after a career with McKinsey where I worked on global development as well as retail/consumer issues. What became clear to me over the years is that the social and environmental challenges we face in society are too big for any one institution or sector to address on its own. Business exists to serve society, in many ways – first and foremost, by serving customers with products or services of value, but also by providing employment and opportunities for suppliers, paying taxes to support the common good, and providing returns to investors, including pensioners. We need to unlock the full potential of business to help resolve today’s toughest problems, collaborating with each other, governments, and with civil society, drawing on distinctive capabilities including talent, technology, physical assets, institutional skills, and relationships, to name a few.
In my position at Walmart, the world’s largest company, I have the privilege of working with the business teams as well as the Walmart Foundation to enhance the sustainability of global supply chains in food, apparel and general merchandise; to help create economic opportunity for individuals and to foster economic growth; and to strengthen the resilience and cohesion of local communities through local philanthropy and disaster preparedness/relief.
Sometimes we can make the biggest difference through company initiatives; sometimes through the Foundation. For example, in our work on the global food chain, our merchants and our sustainability teams are working with suppliers on optimizing agricultural inputs to reduce greenhouse gas; while the Foundation invests with grantees to train hundreds of thousands of farmers in emerging markets. The business and the Foundation work together to strengthen the food bank system in the U.S.: the business provides food and logistics know-how, while the Foundation supports Feeding America and other organizations with grants to strengthen their programs.
Looking ahead, our biggest opportunity is to draw on our unique business and philanthropic capabilities, in collaboration with suppliers and other partners, to create real systems change across the supply chain— meaning how products are grown and made, how they’re transported and sold, and how we touch the lives of people along the way.
Kanani: Looking at Walmart's global sustainability efforts more broadly, what kinds of things are you focusing on, and what kind of impact have you had thus far?
McLaughlin: With respect to sustainability, we are guided by three aspirational goals – to be supplied by 100% renewable energy, to create zero waste and to sell products that sustain people and the environment.
The first two goals speak to the environmental footprint of our own operations. Today, we’re the #1 largest onsite green power generator in the U.S, and we have more than 300 renewable energy projects underway around the world. Between our own new projects and renewables from the grid, we satisfied 24% of our electricity needs worldwide from renewables in 2013. By the end of 2020 we will increase our use of renewable energy globally six-fold and we will reduce the energy use in buildings around the world by 20%. This could save the business $1 billion annually while also reducing greenhouse gas. We’re also on our way to doubling our U.S. fleet efficiency since 2005, having achieved an 84 percent improvement since 2005. Walmart U.S. has also cut waste to landfills by more than 80%.
Our goal to sell more sustainable products really means making the entire supply chain more sustainable for people and planet, end-to-end. Our priorities are to ensure that we bring safe, affordable food, apparel, and general merchandise to people in a way that is sustainable for the planet and people all along the product supply chain.
There are two principle ways we try to do this: first, by working with the Sustainability Index, category by category; and second, through special projects. In both cases, we collaborate with suppliers, NGOs, customers, governments and multilaterals in order to drive change. The Sustainability Index was developed by The Sustainability Consortium (TSC). At Walmart, we have rolled out the Sustainability Index to more than 700 of our product categories and we expanded the index to international markets. A great example of impact here is Walmart and P&G’s recent announcement to further compact laundry detergent. As the world’s largest producer of laundry detergents, Walmart has challenged laundry manufacturers to reduce 25% of the water content in every dose of detergent in North America by 2018. For P&G alone, a 25% water reduction in every does of liquid laundry detergent means over 45 million gallons of water saved in the U.S., fewer plastic bottles, and less waste.
In addition to working with suppliers on products through the Index, we also pursue a number of special sustainability projects with environmental partners such as EDF, CI and WWF, as well as suppliers and other stakeholders. For example, we just signed a commitment with eight food suppliers to bring 8 million incremental acres into sustainable agriculture practices, to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 6 million metric tons.
Sustainability will remain a priority because it makes us a stronger business. It reduces waste, lowers costs, drives innovation in merchandise, and helps us lower prices. It also energizes our associates.
Walmart Foundation President Kathleen McLaughlin
Kanani: In terms of women's economic empowerment, why this is a priority area for Walmart, and what have been some of your efforts to advance this issue?
McLaughlin: Empowering women is a priority for Walmart because it’s the right thing to do, and because it will make our business and our world stronger. When you lift up women, you lift up families and whole communities and economies. The majority of our 245 million customers are women and women control more than $20 trillion of annual consumer spending globally.
Through our Women’s Economic Empowerment initiative, launched in 2011, we are focusing on two areas: sourcing and training. We aim to source an incremental $20 billion worth of goods from businesses owned by women in the US, and double our sourcing from women-owned businesses in our other markets. We are also trying innovative approaches like Empowering Women Together, a destination on Walmart.com that connects small women-owned businesses around the world with customers who are looking for products from women-owned businesses. With respect to training, we have committed to training 1 million women – 800,000 in emerging markets, and 200,000 lower-income women in the US, to help them secure better jobs. Through the Walmart Foundation, we have funded or have funding in place for roughly 750,000 women.
And, we recently joined forces with the Women’s Business Enterprise National Council (WBENC) and WEConnect International to launch a logo that helps consumers easily recognize products from women-owned businesses. This new "Women-Owned" logo can be used by certified women-owned businesses on their products in our Walmart stores, Sam's Clubs and other retailers around the world. Our research has shown that 90% of our female customers in the U.S. would go out of their way to purchase products from women because they believe they offer higher quality. The logo is a great tool for the consumer and a real boost for women-owned businesses.
All of these external efforts are in addition to the opportunities we create for women in our 2.2-million-strong workforce. We are proud that in the U.S., for example, about a third of our officers (executives) are women, and that 45% of our management associates are women.
Kanani: When it comes to healthier food initiatives, what kind of work is being done and how are you measuring the success of your efforts?
McLaughlin: We believe that every family should have access to affordable, sustainable and healthier food choices. In 2011, we committed to making healthier eating easier. Since then, we have made significant progress saving customers more than $3.5 billion on fruits and vegetables in the U.S. We launched a simple front-of-package “Great for You™” icon backed by nutrition criteria to highlight more nutritious items in our assortment. We’ve reduced sodium in our Great Value™ brand and national food brands by 13 percent, keeping us on track to meet our goal of a 25 percent reduction. And in FY2012, we reduced sugar by over 10%, surpassing our goal. Walmart has also opened 224 stores in food deserts in the past few years.
Kanani: In implementing these sustainability efforts worldwide, what kinds of challenges are you running up against, given that Walmart has over 11,000 stores in 27 countries, and employs 2.2 million people?
McLaughlin: We need to move faster, but large-scale change does not happen overnight. It’s hard work. You have to be committed to making sustainability sustainable in good times and in bad. And your employees and partners have to stay fully engaged because they help drive the best ideas forward.
Food is one area where we need to move faster and innovate more. One approach is to address hunger in communities before it even starts. In 2010, Walmart and the Walmart Foundation launched a $2 billion cash and in-kind commitment to fight hunger in the U.S. By working with local food banks and hunger relief organizations, we actually delivered on that commitment this spring, a year ahead of schedule.
But we also want to look at the entire food system. The global population will grow to 9 billion in the next 40 years. How will the world produce enough safe, affordable and nutritious food, in a way that is environmentally and socially sustainable? This is a food system challenge and we are working with suppliers, NGOs and other partners to figure out where the gaps are and where we can do more. We are working on reducing food waste, and piloting technologies that can enhance crop yields, while reducing fertilizer and pesticide usage. We’re also collaborating with ranchers, farmers and fisheries to prevent deforestation and preserve fish stocks.
Kanani: At the same time, with such scale, changes in global policy of any kind can create tremendous change.
McLaughlin: That is correct – and with that in mind, we are working to make a big impact around the world. One example: our plan to purchase energy-efficient LED ceiling lighting fixtures for new supercenters in the United States, stores in Asia and Latin America, and ASDA locations in the United Kingdom. The new fixtures will use 40 percent less energy than lighting sources historically used in stores, and will help further our goal to reduce the kilowatt hour (kWh) per square foot of energy required to power Walmart’s buildings globally 20 percent by 2020. This marks our largest purchase of GE LED lighting to date, and the most recent example of leadership from Walmart and GE to find and scale innovative, energy-efficient lighting solutions.
With the main sales floor lighting representing approximately 90 percent of the total lighting usage in each building, this implementation will reduce energy use per store by more than 5 percent in the U.S. alone—and that change is tremendous.
Kanani: How would you define a responsible company in the 21st century, and has that definition evolved in recent times?
McLaughlin: A responsible company recognizes that it exists to serve society. Walmart’s mission has always been to save people money so they can live better. That mission in and of itself creates tremendous social good, but we go beyond that. As the world’s largest retailer, and the world’s largest grocer, we can use the strengths of our business to help others - to enhance sustainability, create opportunity, and strengthen local community. We’re building a model for how business can address large issues in a systemic way, all across the supply chain. And the really powerful thing is that strengthening society makes our business stronger too.
Kanani: So finally, is doing good, good for business?
McLaughlin: Absolutely. Ultimately, there is no conflict between being a responsible company and a successful company. Our customers, associates, suppliers, NGO partners, and other stakeholders expect and trust us to do the right thing – it is just part of doing business, and makes us stronger.
As we reduce our energy consumption per square foot every year, we are doing the right thing for the environment and we can reduce our energy bill by an estimated $1 billion by 2020, savings we can pass on to the customer. As we work with suppliers to make products more sustainable, we drive merchandise innovation and transparency for our customers, while ensuring we will still have resources to produce products tomorrow. And with every farmer we source from and help train, we’re helping to sustain the food chain for people and planet for the current generation of farmers and customers, and for those to come. | {
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European Space Agency simulation module used to study the effects of long term confinement. Photo: Pavel Zelensky/AFP/Getty Images
In June 2010, as part of the Mars 500 research project, the European Space Agency (ESA) put six trainee astronauts into a space flight simulation. In a giant ” tin can” in a Moscow hangar with no sun, no fresh water and no alcohol for 520 days, the psychological tenacity of these six ground-bound astronauts will be under constant scrutiny. Mars 500 is the most ambitious space-simulator research to date. The ESA put away its trainees in similar conditions for 105 days in 2009.
As a spokesman for Mars 500, Dr. Christer Fuglesang, a Swedish astronaut with the human spaceflight directorate of the European Space Agency (ESA) emphasised the usefulness of the study:
“This isn’t a joke. It will give a lot of useful information, not just about Mars but also for Earth […] People are isolated in many places in the world. We have scientists in the south pole for a long time, or in submarines. Then there are all those in jail.”
Fuglesang is right. Solitary confinement is never a joke.
Well-wishers, family and friends watch a video of the miners projected onto a screen erected near the collapsed gold and copper mine near Copiapó, Chile. Photo: Ivan Alvarado / Reuters.
When the Chilean miners were trapped for 69 days experts from NASA were called in as experts on the psychological strains of long term confinement. A call to the management of any one of America’s hundreds Intense Management Units (IMUs) could have been as useful (except for the fact that prisoners are hardly cared for or monitored in the way necessary to improve their psychological state.) On any given day in the United States, 20,000 men, women and children are held in solitary confinement.
I have used this quote before, but it bears repeating:
First, after months or years of complete isolation, many prisoners “begin to lose the ability to initiate behavior of any kind—to organize their own lives around activity and purpose. Chronic apathy, lethargy, depression, and despair often result. . . . In extreme cases, prisoners may literally stop behaving” (Haney). [They] become essentially catatonic.
Source: Hellhole, The New Yorker, March 30, 2009, by Atul Gawande.
UNFATHOMABLE SCALE
Everyday in American prisons wallow the equivalent of 600 Chilean mining disasters … except prisoners can remain penned in for longer than 69 days.
“The [psychological and cognitive effects of long term isolation] is not something that’s easy to study,” says Craig Haney, psychology professor at the University of California at Santa Cruz, “and not something that prison systems are eager to have people look at.” Haney leads academic research on solitary confinement and notes that US prisons didn’t always resort to its current widespread use:
We have an overwhelmingly crowded prison system in which the mandate to rehabilitate and provide activities for prisoners was suspended at the same time as the prison system became overcrowded. Not surprisingly, prison systems faced with this influx of prisoners, and lacking the rewards they once had to manage and control prisoner behavior, turned to the use of punishment. And one big punishment is the threat of long-term solitary confinement. They’ve used it without a lot of forethought to its consequences. That policy needs to be rethought. (Source) | {
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The teasing is on – McLaren officially confirms F1 follow-up
It’s been a long time rumored but now it’s officially official – the McLaren F1 spiritual successor is coming in 2018 or 2019 complete with the iconic three-seat arrangement.
All rumors were accurate and true – there’s a new “F1” in the making, complete with the three-seat model with a central driving position akin to its legendary predecessor from the 1990s. Codenamed “BP23” after Bespoke Project 2 and its interior seating layout, the new car is already being labeled by the British company as the world’s first “Hyper-GT”. This is because in McLaren’s opinion it will have the ideal setting for longer trips while maintaining the high level of performance one would expect from the firm. McLaren Special Operations is in charge of developing the BP23 and of course – unsurprisingly – all cars have been already pre-sold.
The plan is to produce just 106 examples – the same number as for the F1. Pricing hasn’t been revealed – but that’s already just a statistical figure since all units have been reserved. The Woking-based brand says this is “the most exquisitely crafted and luxurious McLaren to date” – but it’s also going to be the most powerful via the adoption of a still mysterious hybrid powertrain. Another small piece of info is the fact that McLaren will continue to use dihedral doors like on the iconic F1 and every supercar since but with a twist – there will also be apertures extending into the roof, a first for any model of the company. | {
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Peter Buckland is expecting an emotional day when Horsham YMCA host Tooting & Mitcham United in the first qualifying round of the FA Cup on Saturday.
Former YM chairman Mick Browning, who died in 2015, previously played for the London outfit and Buckland has said that Browning will be in his thoughts during the game at Gorings Mead.
The YM manager said: “I’m at the club because of Mick Browning. He approached me after I said I was on a sabbatical but three weeks later I was talking to Mick who was such a nice guy I just couldn’t say no.
“He’s got some long standing ties with Tooting which everybody is aware of and I know he would’ve loved to have been around for that game.
“It will certainly be at the forefront of my thoughts certainly before the game, but then you get engrossed into the game and then give it a thought after as well.
“We’ve proved we can cross swords with the teams from the league above us many times so I’m going into the game reasonably confident.”
YM host the Bostik South Central side on Saturday having already knocked out Ashford United and Fisher in this year’s competition.
YM have already pocketed £5,140 in prize money so far, with another £6,000 up for grabs on Saturday.
On Tuesday night, YM eased into the third round of the Peter Bentley Cup with a 4-1 win over Lancing.
Sam Schaaf gave the hosts a half-time lead, while a second-half own goal, Ollie Moore strike and another Schaaf goal put YM 4-0 up, before Lancers hit a consolation from the penalty spot.
Buckland said: “I do think you can read too much into it as we rested six and took three off at half-time with the FA Cup in mind.
“I do not know enough of their line-up to know if they did the same. I know Charlie Pitcher and he was on the bench, so I think it was the case that both managers had one eye on the FA Cup.
“Nonetheless, it was a good competitive game. I think we went 1-0 up against the run of play and they had the better of the first half, but then bossed the second and could have scored a couple more to be fair. | {
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It is only on www.friv-games-today.com that you can find and play really awesome Rick and Morty Games, so wait no more, and start playing any of the games on this page right now, and have a great time!
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The latest category of games that we have prepared for all of you on our website today is the Rick and Morty Games category, which is a category which you get the chance to find nowhere else, showing you once again how important it is for us to have as many diverse and interesting categories on www.friv-games-today.com. Now, the reason why this category was not found anywhere else before and why you can't generally find online games with these characters is because this show, despite being an animated one, is not aimed primarily at children, but older audiences. It is airing on Adult Swim, a programming block airing over Cartoon Network late at night, and it's programs are dramas and comedies in animated formats, but not aimed at children, but adults, like you can tell from the name of the network. Still, we thought that it would be good for this show to also have a category of games, if there ever was someone looking on the internet for Rick and Morty Games, and we are very happy that the first place they will come to will be our website, where they can find the most awesome content in the world of online flash games! Before you start playing Rick and Morty Games, you might want to know some more things about it, if it is not a show you are watching, and luckily for you, you can find all the information you need from the next part of the description, which we are sure that you will find to be a very good read. Rick and Morty, the two titular characters are the main focus of the show, and their different adventures. Rick is a scientist who moved in with the family of his daughter, so he spends a lot of time inventing all sorts of crazy machines, and spends a lot of time with his grandson, Morty. Rick takes Morty, and later Summer, his granddaughter, on adventures in different worlds and universes, which is an ability that one of his machines grants him. While these adventures often cause Morty all sorts of problems, both at school and at home, they are always really great fun to watch. While this show is a lot of fun, we do not recommend it to children, which is not the same we say about the Rick and Morty Games on our website, which they can be played by any child here. Why? Well, they are mostly puzzle games, coloring games, differences games and all kinds of other formats like that, which can be easily enjoyed by any child. There is no place better to play Rick and Morty Games online than www.friv-games-today.com, so we hope that you will pick up the games right away, and begin having all sorts of fun! When you are done, you should check out all the other categories on our website, because we have a lot of them, each filled with some great games for everyone to play! | {
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Thursday, 27 January 2011
Jennifer's Body
Here is where the problems begin: those desks open the other way.
I remember the hype when this movie premiered. I mean I should--it wasn't all that long ago. But more importantly, I remember the bitching. And I'm kind of embarrassed to admit it, but I jumped in, contributing my worthless two cents, my opinion devalued by the fact that I'd never seen the movie I was talking about. That hardly mattered to me; I was entitled because I'm a girl.
The big deal, as I remember, had to do with the film's feminist subtext. Also, it was penned by an Oscar-winning screenwriter.
In short, the film tells the story of a band who, looking to make it big, sacrifice a virgin to Satan. Only the girl they choose, Jennifer, is "not even a back door virgin". The band still manages to sign with a label, suggesting that Satan isn't all that fussed about the purity of his sacrifices, and Jennifer is now possessed by a demon. Once Jennifer figures out what's happened to her, she tells her best friend, Needy. Needy is appropriately freaked out and decides she'd better put Jennifer down for the greater good.
"Hell is a teenage girl," narrates Needy. It's the film's opening line and is supposed to set the tone for the next 102 minutes. Heathers crossed with Mean Girls, one person wrote. I was a teenaged girl, and I can assure it was hell some of the time. In fact, being a girl, albeit an adult one, is still hell occasionally. When the movie came out a lot of reviewers quoted that line because it segues nicely into angsty, feminist deconstructions of a female-written, female-directed, and female-lead horror film.
But Jennifer's Body isn't feminist. It's not even post-feminist. It's just a movie about a slut. It's all right there on the screen--Needy figures out Jennifer's been possessed by a succubus, a hell demon ho-bitch who feeds on men. There's no subtext, no deeper empowering meaning. At least not as far as Jennifer is concerned.
Because this movie isn't really about Jennifer. It's about Needy. Needy. Sure Jennifer changes--sort of--but Needy changes more. Jennifer becomes strong. Needy grows stronger. The subtext, so desperately sought after by critics, lies in how Needy manages her change, which is (badly) juxtaposed with Jennifer's possession. Needy narrates the goddamn movie--it's her story. Perhaps not the most well-told story given the film's uneven acting, plot holes, and structural instability, but still this film is about Needy's transformation from doormat to dominance.
What everyone should have been quoting is one of Needy's last lines of dialogue. "You know what this is for?" she asks, brandishing a knife. "Cutting boxes." | {
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Frankie Magazine Issue 64 I like the colours in this and how the flamingoes are not obvious at first as they blend in as flowers until further exploration.
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The name Zinnebir refers to a term from Brussels tradition, — ‘zinneke’ — slang for the wild mixed-breed dogs that used to inhabit the poor quarters of the city along the Zinne. It means ‘little bastards,’ and has been applied more recently to those young men living in the poor quarters of Brussels who have flemish-speaking fathers and french-speaking mothers (or vice versa). De La Senne brewer Bernard LeBoucq identifies strongly with the ‘little bastards'; he is a French-speaking Bruxellois, brewing in the heart of the Flemish Payottenland. This holiday brew is rich and malty with a kick of spice and a warming feel in the mouth.
Food Pairings: Thai, white fish, meatloaf
Cheese Pairings: Edam, feta, romano
Beer Advocate: B+ (3.78)
Rate Beer: I can only assume that the bottle I bought this year is a 2010 vintage, which is not rated on this site.
Timperialstout’s Notes:
Background.
I will never forget the first time I ever had a De La Senne brew. I was in ‘T Brugs Beertje in Brugge, Belgium – The Brugge Bear. One of the most famous beer bars in all of Belgium, it was an amazing experience to be there, amongst the locals – the many, many locals. It felt extremely full when we were in there, but our waiter said that it was nothing, not even close to capacity. Despite the fact that we were almost uncomfortably packed into a small table in the front room, I took surprisingly detailed notes about the De La Senne Equinox and the Stouterik that we enjoyed there. I remember thinking about how surprisingly “American” they tasted. There wasn’t that overly sugary aspect that is so common in most Belgian brewed ales. As it turns out, De La Senne prides themselves in their “getting back to the roots” attitude, or, returning to the brewing style of old, before everything was overly sweet, overly spiced and overly hopped. I can respect that.
We came to learn, from our wonderful waiter at the Bear, that (at the time of our visit) De La Senne beers were being brewed at Brouwerij De Ranke (makers of XX Bitter, Kriek De Ranke, etc.) until their new space in the outskirts of Brussels was completed. We were told that they would be moving into the new digs in the summer months, but the Shelton Brothers site still suggests that they are brewery-less. That may or may not be up to date. Unfortunately, the brewery website in not in English, so I’m unsure if they are still borrowing space.
A few hours later that day we stepped into ‘t Poatersgat, which by the way, was amongst my absolute favorite spots in all of Belgium. There, we found De La Senne’s Taras Boulba (Belgian Pale) on tap! It was a great beer day in a great city, to say the very least.
You can probably imagine how I felt when I saw this bottle on the shelves at Bottleworks. “A De La Senne beer, in Seattle?!” I was shocked, and very excited. I had never seen the X-Mas beer before. Needless to say, there was no hesitation in purchasing it. Tonight, I have the distinct pleasure of re-emerging myself in a little piece of my trip to the beer holy land. My greatest hope is that the memories rush back to me more and more with each sip.
Appearance.
Just about the only thing attractive about the appearance of this beer is the big rocky, off-white, approaching yellowish orange head. Just a few moments after the cap was cracked, a bit of foam peeked out of the top of the bottle, forcing me to pour before I was ready. Classic Belgian bottle refermentation at play. This unwanted urgency may have acted as an enabler to the glass monopolizing foam that quickly arose, but in the end it was an attractive sight as the head slowly receded and left large heaps of globular cloud cover over the brew.
The brew, here, is a very murky dark amber, near brown color. The fluid is doing an excellent job at suspending the rather large chunks of yeast that have completely infiltrated my glass, which may speak positively to the viscosity, but sure is unsightly. The only positive to the color of the beer itself is the fact that it’s not pale. I had my reservations about a pale ale acting as a holiday brew, and as it stands, I’m relieved.
Odor.
My very first impression, when the beer was at its coldest, was of apple cider. As it warms a bit, it becomes much more exciting. Cinnamon coated, candied nuts appear. There is still an apple presence, but when it plays in tandem with the cinnamon, caramel and nuts, I’m thinking more about candied apples than cider.
I can already see why this is a holiday seasonal. It’s all coming together now. A bit more warmth brings out some unleavened dough, some vinous notes, more pie filling fruits like peach, pear, apricot… There is a definite baked quality that comes off of the malts, but also a fruity, perfume like waft. It’s not unlike being in Aunt Sally’s house on Thanksgiving day, and being so happily hugged by the smell of her famous pie baking in the oven, but then periodically being accosted by Mom’s liberal application of perfume. Yes, it may be a bit pungent, but that’s Mom’s scent, and it’s comforting. Without a doubt, this beer smells like the comforts of the holiday season. I sure could use a crackling fire and some turkey right now.
Mouthfeel.
This is just what you would expect from a bottle conditioned beer from Belgium. Yes, it is a bit odd that a cork wasn’t implemented, but never-the-less, there is above average carbonation. Though this beer is not nearly as sweet as most Belgian brews of a similar style (the brewer’s stance on the subject is fully realized), it is still a dark winter ale of 7% abv, and from an American ale standpoint, there is an appropriate dose of remaining sugars to provide a smooth and slick feel to the liquid. Overall, I’m happy with the feel of this one.
Flavor.
The one word that came to mind after my very first sip was, “metallic”. This isn’t a good adjective for a beer, but I’m kind of glad that I sensed it because it spawned one of those memory flashbacks that I was hoping for. In Beer Blotter’s time in Belgium, we came across quite a stupefying amount of beers with this flavor attribute. I have yet to come up with a foolproof explanation for this. Some of my theories include the water source(s) used, the materials used in constructing the brew-houses, and simply, an undesirable byproduct of the house yeast strains that have been cultivated for centuries in Belgium. Luckily for X-Mas Zinnebir, a little bit of warmth allows more flavors to blossom, most of which are able to mask the metal.
For the most part, the odor belittles the flavor. The is so much happening in the nose, and unfortunately, not so much on the tongue. There is a subtle brown sugar sweetness and some hints of an aromatic malt, but otherwise the flavor is overwhelmed by Belgian yeast fruitiness. It’s a nondescript mish mash of tree and vine fruits. Red grapes and Granny Smith apples come to mind most vividly.
Aftertaste.
Immediately after the swallow, the flavors seem mostly wine like, with a slight dryness, and then move into a more malty, cereal like flavor. The deeper we go into the aftertaste the more these elements seem to meld together.
Summation.
This beer is actually more inspired by traditional (or what I think of as traditional) Belgian styles than the way I remember the De La Senne brews I had in Brugge. I think that it’s the yeast that they used for this one. But still, there is no doubt that they are either taking cues from American ales or they have tapped into some much more “traditional” or “older” Belgian brewing process. There is something here that will no doubt set De La Senne apart from the pack, and that seems to be in the vein of the American Spirit. Anytime, anywhere, that the Belgian and American aesthetics collide… I want to be there.
Its officially spring in Seattle….there are blossoms, tulips and its cold and crappy. The weather can’t get us down as we head for Florida this weekend (Cigar City…what!) and DC next month. Beer adventures to come! But on with your weekly events.
The tasting will be four unique beers that are not normally available and these rarities will be on tap plus one of our current tap Avery Beers. 4 of the 5 will be tap beers….that in itself is a rarity for many. We will start at 6:30 with a social time until dinner service at 7:00pm. You will be served a five course dinner specifically paired with each beer. Hurry and sign up fast there are only 32 seats available! YOU MUST PRE-REGISTER!
Let the rivalry continue into the realm of beer. Although the Yanks lost the opening game, I have complete faith that the NY Breweries are up for the challenge. Come support the city of your choice and enjoy beers from Ommegang (NY), Brooklyn Brewery (NY), Sam Adams (Boston) and Harpoon (Boston).
Stop by and taste one of Washington’s premier breweries. Located on an island across the Puget Sound from Seattle, Port Townsend Brewing Company brews amazing IPAs and killer Porters. Enjoy the beers and the free give-a-ways.
The menu is to die for and the beers from Left Hand Brewery will only enhance the flavors. Eat, drink and be merry. Celebrate your Sunday with the following pairings:
1.Smoked Meat and Cheese Plate-2007 Goosinator
2.Plantain Crusted Catfish Bites-2007 Chainsaw
3.Roast Pork and Root Vegetables-2006 St. Vrain
4.Barleywine & Walnut Ice Cream-2003 Oak Aged Widdershins
Beer Blotter is off to Florida, Tampa and Sarasota this week. So if you have any suggestions on breweries, beer bars, beers in general and/or bottle shops, please pass it along via comment or email- [email protected]. | {
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If you’re a keen gardener, you’ll love The Garden magazine produced by the Royal Horticultural Society. Delivered free to RHS members, this highly regarded monthly publication contains a mouth-watering selection of exciting features to appeal to everyone, whatever their gardening interest.
In The Garden, you’ll find feature articles on practical gardening, plants and advice, as well as information on events and shows that celebrate the RHS. Each month, it brings you all the latest news and developments from the RHS, such as shows, trials and other research activities, developments in the four RHS gardens and other aspects of the charitable work of the RHS.
At Thomas Sanderson, we know how important gardens are to our customers. That’s why our conservatory blinds and window blinds help to bring the outside in, giving a full view of the garden and creating a seamless extension of the home in the outside space. In the October 2015 edition of The Garden, along with the best gardening advice and inspirational photography, you’ll find Thomas Sanderson’s full page ad offering 3 for 2 plus £100 off* conservatory blinds. We hope it helps you to make the most of your garden! | {
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A few weeks ago the small private liberal arts school I attended and taught at began a project to build a new student center. This meant that the old student center had to come down. I have to admit that I was very sad as I stood at the demolition site and snapped this picture of the ruins of a building that held such special memories.
But what concerns me far more is the future of schools like the one I attended. Part of my worry has to do with the declining enrollment problem facing all colleges. The pool of high school graduates in America has been steadily declining for some time, and it is estimated that this trend will continue through 2030. Because of these deflated numbers, analysts predict that as many as half of the colleges and universities in the country could close their doors in the next 10-15 years.
But the general demographic trend is not the greatest source of my anxiety. I am especially concerned about the future of private religious colleges. Schools like the one I attended and taught at typically have codes of conduct that reflect the religious beliefs of the institution. Such codes often include specific language about moral issues like sexual conduct.
And therein lies the problem. There is a growing climate of hostility in America to the traditional Christian view of sexual ethics. There is no better way to illustrate this increasing anti-religious bigotry than the recent New Yorker column lamenting the “infiltration” of Chick-fil-A into New York because the owner has donated to pro-traditional marriage causes. (For some great satirical responses to this article, check out this Babylon Bee piece and this blog post).
And the assault on religious freedom is only going to grow stronger. Multiple polls demonstrate that the “Millennial” generation does not hold a robust view of the freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment. A 2015 Pew Research survey revealed that “four-in-ten Millennials say the government should be able to prevent people publicly making statements that are offensive to minority groups.” A 2017 Brookings study found that 44% of college students do not believe that the First Amendment protects “hate speech.” And since the pro-LGBTQ movement believes that any statements defending traditional marriage or critiquing same-sex actions constitute “hate speech,” you can see where this mindset will lead. I’m no prophet, but I will make this prediction: within my lifetime there will be a serious movement to repeal the First Amendment protections of freedom of speech and freedom of religion. And if you don’t believe me, check out this video.
At the moment, private religious schools are permitted to maintain these codes of conduct and still receive federal money because of our nation’s strong commitment to religious freedom. Such schools can apply for what’s called a “Title IX Exemption.” This is why private religious schools can maintain their status with government accreditation agencies, which is crucial in order for students to receive federal grant and loan money such as I relied upon to go to college.
But this exemption is under assault. Schools that have applied for this exemption are accused of perpetuating “the harms of religion-based bigotry.” And it is clear that the pro-LGBTQ lobby intends to strip this protection of religious freedom away from such schools, a prospect that the government’s solicitor general admitted during the Obergefell case. That leads me to another prediction: the next Democratic administration will strip the Title IX exemption of its power to protect the religious freedom of schools.
Let me pause to address the issue of “religion-based bigotry” before I go further. Some of you may think that codes against same-sex conduct are no different than codes against interracial dating and marriage that many schools of a previous generation enforced. But the two issues could not be more different. One has to do with conduct, the other has to do with race. A school that says that sex is reserved for the one man-one woman relationship of marriage is not bigoted against gay students. The code applies to all students, gay or straight. Whatever the person’s orientation, the same rule applies to everyone’s conduct. Such a rule that has to do with behavior is totally dissimilar with a rule that has to do with race. Sadly, many schools did have such racist rules, and the fact that those sinful and hateful rules are now being used to club all adherents of traditional morality over the head is reason #2,182 not to be a racist if you are a Christian.
All of this means that the “dark clouds of Mordor” are growing more ominous by the moment. If this exemption is taken away, then the federal government will be able to threaten schools with the loss of accreditation unless they change their codes of conduct. Those schools that refuse to bow the knee to Baal will lose accreditation, and with it all federal loan and grant money for students. Additionally, students who graduate with unaccredited degrees may find it hard to be hired, especially if the company is “woke” to progressive social causes. This will be the end of many private religious schools.
So, what to do? How can private religious schools navigate between the Scylla of falling enrollment and Charybdis of federal decertification?
It will be a mistake for schools to search for mere short-term solutions. Yes, you can temporarily inflate enrollment numbers by adding sports teams, with the incoming revenue stream of federal loan and grant money for which many athletes qualify. But when (not if) accreditation is lost, this money will vanish overnight. Nor will it help to look for cost-cutting measures with faculty salaries and benefits. The last thing a small school needs in these troubled times is a demoralized faculty and staff. Nor will it help to address the problem with cosmetic changes to the campus. This will not be sufficient to address the demographic shift of available high school students.
Instead, here are some things these schools can do:
Schools should wean off all federal money, including student grant and loan money, as soon as possible. As Carl Trueman has written, “Given the financial significance that the federal student loan system has for most colleges, this process will be painful and difficult for many, where it is possible at all. Yet it is vital.” Schools should use the next two years as a reprieve and phase out all programs that are unsustainable without this money.
Schools should look for students from non-traditional sources. While the number of high school graduates is falling, there are many other potential student populations. Instead of waiting for students to come to campus, the campus needs to go to the students, with on-line and hybrid course offerings, extension and satellite campuses, and other such options. The on-campus population may decline, but the overall student population and revenue stream can grow.
Schools should create job placement networks for their students. Schools like the one I attended have a tight-knit network of alumni. This is the perfect situation for collecting databases of alumni and friends of the school that can post job openings for students. Imagine the power of recruiting a student who knows that when he or she is finished with classes, the school will actively seek to set them up with a prospective employer. This can ameliorate the stigma of a non-accredited diploma.
And even if it should be the case that private religious schools do not survive, there is still hope. And the fact is, families and churches should not totally delegate responsibility for rearing children to such institutions to begin with. If these schools, which are adjuncts to the home, no longer exist, our children can still flourish in the faith, so long as we do our job. But it would be a shame if future generations did not have the opportunity that my wife and I enjoyed to receive an education in a faith-affirming environment. There are challenges ahead, but they can be met with resolve, imagination, and love. | {
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Tea Party marchers Far Right and White
(NNPA) – People from across the county flowed into the west end of the National Mall, in front of the Capital Building, on Sept. 12 in a march organized by Freedomworks, Tea Party Express and several other groups. The goal of the march seemed to be determined by who was speaking at the time.
Brenden Steinhauser, grassroots director of Freedomworks, a group headed by former Congressman Dick Armey, said the message of the march was, “Big government isn’t popular, whether it’s done by Republicans or Democrats.
Demostrators holds up banners during the taxpayer rally at Freedom Plaza in Washington Sept. 12. Thousands of fiscal conservatives have packed streets in the nationís capital to protest what they consider the federal governmentís out-of-control spending.
But comments from the crowd, and certainly their signs and T-shirts, indicated that it was more than big government being protested. There were many people displaying signs against health care reform, President Obama’s right to take office and calling his ideology and religion into question.
There has been a dispute about the number of attendees, which has fluctuated from the 1.7 million Glenn Beck claims an unnamed university counted, to around 70,000, a number attributed to a District spokesperson who denied providing an estimate.
Pete Piringer, spokesman for the Washington, D.C. Fire and EMS Department, shared his observations from the day. “It was a good sized crowd,” he said. “It was pretty much between Third Street and the Capital, a relatively small portion of the mall.”
He added that the march was just one of several events taking place in the District on Sept. 12. Others were the Black Family Reunion, a triathlon trial run, a 5K run, the Eucharistic Congress and, he added, normal tourist traffic for the season.
The group protesting in Washington, distinguished not by its size but by its lack of racial diversity, marched down Pennsylvania Avenue to the mall and there heard several speakers and performers.
David Meadows, director of communications for the District of Columbia Democratic Party, said the march reminded him of the previous tea parties and town meetings, characterizing those participating as “male or female, [ages] 55-60 and White.”
While the number of Blacks and other minorities in the crowd seemed nonexistent, that was not the case for featured guests and speakers. African-American headliners include Deneen Borelli, a Project 21 fellow; Charles Lollar, chair of the Charles County Republican Central Committee; Nic Lott, first Black student government president at the University of Mississippi; Lloyd Marcus, creator of the Tea Party Anthem; rapper, Vance Venom and the Rev. C.L. Bryant from Shreveport, La.
Borelli railed against big government. “We the people have had enough,” she said. “We will not sit by while our liberties and freedoms are being looted by elected officials serving their interests and not the interests of their constituents.”
She admonished “Black liberal politicians” for playing the race card instead of facing up to the fact that their policies have failed. “Personally, I will not sit by and let those who criticize our cause call it about race and call us rednecks,” she said. “My neck is not red.”
Rev. Bryant also spoke against big government. “Yes, we need reform. Yes we know something needs to be done about our health system,” he said.
“We send this message to you. We want reform, but there will be no government takeover of one more American industry.”
He also spoke about the division in this country, pointing the finger at politicians for causing it
“Politicians are building walls between the people,” he said. “You are building walls of misunderstanding. You’re building walls of hatred. You’re building walls of racism. You’re building walls of classism and in the words of Ronald Reagan, when he spoke to Mikhail Gorbachev at the Berlin Wall, Mr. Obama, tear down this wall.”
U. S. Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md), saw the Sept. 12 march in a larger context, and it caused him some concern. Noting the lack of diversity in the crowd, he pointed to the lack of diversity in the Republican ranks in Congress and mentioned that it seemed disingenuous to call either group a cross-section of America.
He referred to statements from march participants, saying, “When you listen to their comments, many of them didn’t know what they were protesting. So it makes you wonder what it’s really all about.”
Citing the statistic that 1 in 3 people had a lapse in health care coverage in the last two years, he said the very people protesting are the people who would be helped by reform. “Most of them are arguing against their best interest,” he said.
When asked what he believes this is all about, Cummings said, “Basically what you have is a lot of people upset that Barack Obama won. He is a brilliant, competent and honest elected official.
“I am convinced there is a genuine dislike—and in some cases hatred—for this African-American president.”
Meadows said, “They’ve [the loud minority] been loud, rude and obstructionist and quite harmful to a lot of citizens. I think, unfortunately, it [dissension] does tend to discredit the health care reform initiative.”
Organizers of the march seem to think their efforts will affect the process. Steinhauser said, “I think it will make an impact with moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats.”
Cummings said folks should take a look at the mindset driving this and used Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) and Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) as examples. He said South Carolina has the highest rate of uninsured residents in the country, 17 percent, and then repeated a quote from DeMint: “If we’re able to stop Obama on this [health care reform] it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.”
“He would rather kill Obama’s dream than give his constituents what they need,” Cummings said. “I think this will strengthen the resolve of Democrats to take advantage of this once in a lifetime opportunity. This means we’ve got to move ahead without Republicans. We’ve got to get this through. We’ve got to make this happen.” | {
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I’m most comfortable with a .243 for red deer stalking. But, when training at longer ranges, I tend to run out of adjustment on my scope – leaving me less confident when it comes to the real thing. What scope should I buy to counter this? | {
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Michelle Obama Meets World’s Biggest Obama Fan
During her visit to Minnesota yesterday, Michelle Obama got to meet one special volunteer. Igor wears a t-shirt with “World’s Biggest Obama Supporter” written on it, which is fitting considering he is one of the world’s tallest men. A resident of Rochester, Igor is 7-feet, 8-inches tall and spends five hours a day volunteering at his local campaign office. | {
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New Time Off for Public Duties Order 2018 due in force from 1 October 2018
Source: The National Archives | | 03/06/2018
The Time Off for Public Duties Order 2018 has been laid before Parliament and will come into force on 1 October 2018. The Order amends section 50 of the Employment Rights Act 1996 so as to grant unpaid time off work to four groups of volunteers in the criminal
justice system, who all monitor conditions of those in custody. Currently, employers are not obliged to grant time off work to these volunteers so that they can perform their public duties.
The four groups of volunteers are:
Independent prison monitors in Scotland appointed under the Prisons (Scotland) Act 1989 (the equivalent body for England and Wales is already included in the time off work provisions in section 50)
A panel of lay observers appointed under the Criminal Justice Act 1991 – these are volunteers who monitor conditions for prisoners under escort and in court custody (lay observers only exist in England and Wales and they do not exist or operate in Scotland)
Visiting Committees for the immigration and detention estate appointed under the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 for England, Wales and Scotland – these are commonly referred to as Independent Monitoring Boards and they consist of volunteers who monitor
the immigration detention estate
Visiting Committees appointed by the Secretary of State for short-term holding facilities under the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999. | {
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Another winters day Another grey reminder of what used too be that has gone away Its really hard too say how long we have too live with our insanity we have too pay for all we use and we never think before we light the fuse...
Another winters day Another grey reminder of what used too be that has gone away Its really hard too say how long we have too live with our insanity we have too pay for all we use and we never think before we light the fuse... | {
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Wangaratta Performing Arts Centre
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The Wangaratta Performing Arts Centre is a state of the art multimillion dollar venue which opened in September 2009 and offers a new alternative to regional performing and touring.
Providing contemporary architecture and facilities including a dedicated, fully equipped 530 raked seat theatre with a balcony, flat floor performance facilities for 500 or 800 with a custom built marquee, six spacious and modern dressing rooms, shower and laundry facilities, a spacious green room equipped with dance barre and mirror for dance company warm ups and a smaller conference room.
The multipurpose centre has been built on 'green principles' utilising passive energy wherever possible. All spaces are flexible in size and room layout and catering can be provided by in-house caterers utilising regional and seasonal produce.
Wangaratta is situated on the major transport corridor between Melbourne, Sydney and Canberra and is easily accessible by road, rail and air.
The Wangaratta Performing Arts Centre is within easy walking distance of the city's popular cafe and dining venues and a wide variety of accommodation. | {
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You asked several questions about veterans' courts. Specifically, you asked (1) how they differ from the regular criminal courts; (2) where veterans' courts currently exist and whether there is one in New London; (3) how Connecticut could establish a veterans' court; (4) what results of these courts have been and how results are measured; and (5) has there been any net increase or decrease in the cost of the criminal justice system (e.g., taking into account court, prison, mental health, and other costs), if known.
SUMMARY
Veterans' courts are typically separate dockets for defendants who are veterans and have legal issues related to post-traumatic stress disorder, such as drug addiction or mental illness. The courts are based on the "drug court" model of providing specialized services focused on counseling with the goal of avoiding incarceration.
According to the National Association of Drug Court Professionals (NADCP), approximately 48 cities and counties across 21 states now have veterans' courts, with about 80 courts total. At least seven states - California, Colorado, Illinois, Nevada, Oregon, Texas, and Virginia - enacted legislation authorizing such courts. Additionally, federal legislation in 2008 and 2009 would have created a national veterans court program, but the bills died in committee (e.g.,S.902 SERV Act). More information is available at the NADCP website: http://www.nadcp.org/node/436.
According to Connecticut Department of Mental Health and Addiction Services (DMHAS) website, DMHAS has been engaged in two federally funded diversionary pilot programs for veterans in the New London and Norwich court system over the past few years. Since then, the pilot, known as the “Veterans Jail Diversion Program,” has expanded to Danielson with Middletown being the next court area, according to DMHAS Director of Veteran's Services, Jim Tackett.
A diversionary program differs from a separate docket; a separate docket may result in a plea and criminal record whereas a diversionary program aims to avoid establishing a criminal record. Both approaches aim to provide treatment and avoid incarceration, and it is not uncommon for both approaches to be referred to as veterans' courts.
Connecticut already has a separate “drug court” docket and the enabling legislation could be mirrored to create veterans' court. Connecticut could also choose to codify existing practice under the pilot, further building on it (DMHAS already plans to go statewide using the existing diversion program model.) California law enacted in 2006 provides one legislative model, for example. It allows a judge to divert certain defendants who served in the military to treatment programs under specific circumstances (California Penal Code §1170.9).
Studies measure veterans' courts' results by looking at how many defendants complete programs and are not re-arrested. According to NADCP, 70% of defendants finish programs and 75% are not rearrested for at least two years after, (“The Battle on the Home Front: Special Courts Turn to Vets to Help Other Vets,” November 1, 2011, ABAJournal). For the Buffalo, New York court (the first veterans' court, established in 2008), none of its “56 graduates to date has been rearrested, to the court's knowledge. Only 26 of the 202 veterans admitted to [the] program have dropped out before graduation due to noncompliance,” according to the November 1 ABA article.
We did not find any studies from other states measuring whether veterans' courts cost increase or decrease criminal justice costs. We are working to conduct such a cost comparison for Connecticut and will provide that information as soon as we have it.
For your reference, the following NADCP link has up to date news about veterans treatment courts (e.g., including a story from the December 2011 TheAtlantic issue): http://www.nadcp.org/JusticeForVets-Media
According to NADCP, veterans' courts were established to provide veterans with treatment instead of incarceration when certain legal problems stem from stress related to combat and service in combat areas. NADCP states that the courts, "…promote sobriety, recovery, and stability through a coordinated response that involves cooperation and collaboration with the traditional partners found in Drug and Mental Health Courts,” along with the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, the Veterans' Benefits Administration, volunteer veteran mentors, and family support organizations. (NADCP administers Justice for Vets, which is the National Clearinghouse for Veterans Treatment Courts, according to its website.)
These courts are based on the "drug court" model. These specialized courts were first established in 1989 and the concept expanded to include other specialized courts such as mental health and domestic violence courts (February 2010 article by Slate.com senior editor Dahlia Lithwick). In a recent Slate.com article, Dahlia Lithwick states, “Drug courts, for instance, integrate treatment with justice-system case management and closely supervise and monitor participants; studies show that they have decreased recidivism rates as well as the cost of incarceration.”
In January 2008, Buffalo, New York Judge Robert Russell started the nation's first veterans treatment court (June 1, 2008 USA Today article). According to Lithwick, the benefits of having such veteran focused courts emphasizing counseling spread across the country, coinciding with the large number of Afghan and Iraq war veterans (as well as veterans of earlier conflicts) who were having legal issues (the entire article is available here:SLATE ).
The November 1 ABA Journal article addresses some of the different approaches advocated for veterans' courts.
1. many veterans' and other treatment courts require a plea before accepting clients but some believe veterans with mental illness or substance abuse issues would be better served by diversion programs that allowed veterans charged with nonviolent crimes to be placed into treatment without having to enter a plea.
2. Clearing a potential defendant's record, which would be the result of diversion, has its advantages in this “age of the Internet,” but NADCP cites evidence that pleas “produce better long-term results.”
3. Some courts do not hear cases of veterans charged with violent crimes. But, others do with significant limitations.
4. Some feel that all vets should be accepted into veterans' courts, including those who never deployed to a war zone, while others believe the courts should admit only those with combat-related mental health issues.
5. some courts are limited to offenses committed as a result of substance abuse, PTSD, or other problems stemming from combat service. The Buffalo court and others accept all veterans with a clinical diagnosis of serious and persistent mental health disease or drug or alcohol addiction.
Generally, a diversion program in Connecticut's criminal justice system refers to a process that allows criminal defendants to avoid prosecution and incarceration by successfully completing court-sanctioned community-based treatment programs. For example, the law allows Connecticut courts to refer someone charged with possession of drugs or drug paraphernalia to the pretrial drug education program. After an evaluation, the court can suspend prosecution of an eligible defendant and assign him or her to a drug intervention or substance abuse treatment program. The court dismisses the charges against someone who successfully completes the program (CGS § 17a-696).
According to DMHAS,Connecticut is one of the nation's first states to establish a jail diversion program for veterans with trauma-related symptoms that “have contributed to their involvement in the criminal justice system.” In 2008, DMHAS was one of six states awarded a $2 million, 5-year grant from the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) to establish a statewide jail diversion. (DHMAS website: http://www.ct.gov/dmhas/lib/dmhas/infobriefs/112009.pdf.)
The pilot is currently running in New London, Norwich, and Danielson. It will soon be up and running in the Middletown court system as well, according to DHMAS Director of Veteran's Services, Jim Tackett.
Tackett discussed the program at a September 2011 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services SAMHSA seminar stating that the program's goal is to sustain the progress made in the pilot areas. He went on to say:
we're working to expand the project statewide by stepping into the footprint of the existing statewide mental health jail diversion program. This is being accomplished through workforce development. A little less than half of our mental health jail diversion clinicians around the state have already been through the Veterans resource representative training program. That's our comprehensive workforce development process that works to demystify the VA [U.S. Department of Veterans' Affairs] and equip clinicians with knowledge and ability to serve veterans not only in treatment planning but also in coordinating services with the VA. We'll also be establishing a statewide mentor program. The goal is to train 20 to 30 mentors who will be available to report to an area jail to engage a veteran who's just been arrested. Mentors will be alongside veterans in court through the completion of the adjudication process and will also help them connect with their treatment plan and we've begun planning… and we'll be looking to implement the program next summer.
On December 5, 2011, we spoke with Tackett who noted that Connecticut's approach of systems integration is unique, because veterans in the justice system have a series of service options in their community, not just the VA, which is typical in other states. As he stated at the September 1 SAMHSA seminar, “In many cases, the treatment plan represents a partnership with VA under which some services are provided by state and local non-VA providers in the community right where the veteran lives.”
Drug Courts
While Connecticut does not currently have a Veterans' Court as a separate docket, in 1995, Connecticut established a pilot specialized court program for youthful drug offenders age 16 - 21 to provide treatment and aid in avoiding repeat offenses and prison time (PA 95-131). PA 97-248 expanded the program to the entire state. In 2003, the legislature again expanded the program to include drug offenders of any age (PA 03-6).
Under the law, the chief court administrator is authorized to establish separate dockets for defendants who are drug dependent and could benefit from treatment (CGS § 51-181b). These “drug courts” or “drug intervention programs” currently operate in Bridgeport, Danielson, and New Haven. Judges, defense counsel, prosecutors, and probation officers can refer someone to these courts. The courts focus on treatment and supervision of participants and over a 12 to 15 month period, offenders make regular court appearances for monitoring and are subject to drug testing. The court can issue orders, sanctions, and incentives. The court recommends treatment and services which can include vocational and educational training as well as substance abuse treatment. Alternative incarceration centers can daily supervise offenders. The court and its staff collaborate with treatment and social services staff to monitor offenders.
Background
Recent Legislation
In both 2009 and 2011, the legislature considered bills to establish a veterans' specific diversion program. The provisions did not become law in either year.
In 2009, SB 1065, An Act Concerning Pretrial Diversionary Programs for Veterans, would have established a veterans' pretrial diversionary program and outlined who would be eligible and how the system would operate. Different from a separate docket, SB 1065 used existing counseling and pretrial programs. The bill died in the Judiciary Committee.
In 2011, the initial version of HB 6639 contained a provision to establish a diversion program for veterans, among other things. The bill passed without the veterans specific provision. The following links are to the legislative histories of the bills: 2009 and 2011. | {
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Lindbergh Landing
On Nov 12, 2013
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By:Spencer Hanley
In 1929 Nevisian-born Ernest Hasting Hanley, a grave digger, returned to his beloved Nevis after 11 years in the cane fields of Cuba. He landed at Hamilton Estate and acquired 5 acres of woodlands with a vision for future development.
His pioneering spirit earned him the nickname “Lucky Lindbergh”. His vision for future development is being expanded through the eyes of his son Spencer, daughter-in-law Jacqueline, and grand children Nicola (Nikki) and Spencer Jr. They have complimented the natural fauna of the original agricultural woodlands with self-contained cottages with on-suite and private porch for sunbathing.
The Club House is suitable for hosting small functions (50 persons) such as weddings, birthday parties, etc. Lindbergh Landing is a tropical vacation retreat nestled in lush woodland foliage 1,200 feet above sea level. Take the stairs to the 15-foot sunset observation deck and enjoy breathtaking vista of the Caribbean Sea, majestic mountain terrain, and watch Green Vervet monkeys at play in mango trees that landscape your panoramic view.
The landscape is further complimented with natural dry walls Take a walk through eco-nature trails then relax at the bar for a refreshing ‘Spirit’ of St. Louis (in-house rum punch) or cocktail of your choice while enjoying the most tranquil and soothing atmosphere imaginable making Lindbergh Landing “The Nevisian Mountain Experience”. | {
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Sir William Jones (see the
headnote to Jones's Palace of Fortune,
just above) wrote A Hymn to Narayena in
the spring of 1785 and published it later
the same year in the first issue of Asiatick
Miscellany (Calcutta). It was reprinted
and praised in several London magazines over
the next couple of years, and is generally
considered to be Jones's best effort
in a lyric form (in this instance a type
of Pindaric ode). Jones's lengthy "Argument" summarizes
the content, which may be seen to have much
in common with later expressions of mystical
pantheism in Romantic lyrics by, among others,
Wordsworth ("Tintern Abbey," NAEL
8, 2.258–62) and Percy Shelley ("Mont
Blanc" and "Hymn to Intellectual
Beauty," NAEL 8, 2.762–68).
The Argument
A
complete introduction to the following Ode
would be no less than a full comment on the
Vayds and Purans of the Hindus, the remains
of Egyptian and Persian Theology,
and the tenets of the Ionick and Italick Schools;
but this is not the place for so vast a disquisition.
It will be sufficient here to premise, that
the inextricable difficulties attending the vulgar
notion of material substances,
concerning which
"We know this only, that we nothing
know,"
induced many of the wisest among the Ancients,
and some of the most enlightened among the
Moderns, to believe, that the whole Creation
was rather an energy than a work,
by which the Infinite Being, who is present
at all times in all places, exhibits to the
minds of his creatures a set of perceptions,
like a wonderful picture or piece of musick,
always varied, yet always uniform; so that
all bodies and their qualities exist, indeed,
to every wise and useful purpose, but exist
only as far as they are perceived;
a theory no less pious than sublime, and
as different from any principle of Atheism,
as the brightest sunshine differs from the
blackest midnight. This illusive operation of
the Deity the Hindu philosophers call,
Maya, or Deception; and the word occurs
in this sense more than once in the commentary
on the Rig Vayd, by the great Vasishtha,
of which Mr. Halhed has given us an admirable
specimen.
The first stanza of the Hymn represents
the sublimest attributes of the Supreme Being,
and the three forms, in which they most clearly
appear to us, Power, Wisdom, and Goodness,
or, in the language of Orpheus and his disciples, Love:
the second comprises the Indian and Egyptian doctrine
of the Divine Essence and Archetypal Ideas;
for a distinct account of which the reader
must be referred to a noble description in
the sixth book of Plato's Republick;
and the fine explanation of that passage
in an elegant discourse by the author of
Cyrus, from whose learned work a hint has
been borrowed for the conclusion of this
piece. The third and fourth are
taken from the Institutes of Menu, and the
eighteenth Puran of Vyasa, entitled Srey
Bhagawat, part of which has been translated
into Persian, not without elegance,
but rather too paraphrastically. From Brehme,
or the Great Being, in the neuter gender,
is formed Brehma, in the masculine;
and the second word is appropriated to the creative
power of the Divinity.
The spirit of God, call'd Narayena,
or moving on the water, has a multiplicity
of other epithets in Sanscrit, the
principal of which are introduced, expressly
or by allusion, in the fifth stanza;
and two of them contain the names of the evil
beings, who are feigned to have sprung
from the ears of Vishnu; for thus the divine
spirit is entitled, when considered as the preserving
power: the sixth ascribes the
perception of secondary qualities
by our senses to the immediate influence
of Maya; and the seventh imputes to
her operation the primary qualities
of extension and solidity.
The Hymn
5
10
15
20
25
30
35
40
45
50
55
60
65
70
75
80
85
90
95
100
105
110
115
120
125
Spirit of Spirits, who, through ev'ry
part
Of space expanded and of endless time,
Beyond the stretch of lab'ring thought
sublime,
Badst uproar into beauteous order start,
Before
Heav'n was, Thou art:
Ere spheres beneath us roll'd or spheres above,
Ere earth in firmamental ether hung,
Thou satst alone; till, through thy mystick
Love,
Things unexisting to existence sprung,
And grateful
descant sung.
What first impell'd thee to exert thy might?
Goodness unlimited. What glorious light
Thy pow'r directed? Wisdom without bound.
What prov'd it first? Oh! guide my fancy
right;
Oh! raise
from cumbrous ground
My soul
in rapture drown'd,
That fearless it may soar on wings of fire;
For Thou, who only knowst, Thou only canst inspire.
Wrapt in eternal solitary shade,
Th' impenetrable gloom of light intense,
Impervious, inaccessible, immense,
Ere spirits were infus'd or forms display'd,
Brehm
his own Mind survey'd,
As mortal eyes (thus finite we compare
With infinite) in smoothest mirrors gaze:
Swift, at his look, a shape supremely fair
Leap'd into being with a boundless blaze,
That
fifty suns might daze.
Primeval Maya was the Goddess nam'd,
Who to her sire, with Love divine inflam'd,
A casket gave with rich Ideas fill'd,
From which this gorgeous Universe he fram'd;
For,
when th' Almighty will'd,
Unnumber'd
worlds to build,
From Unity diversified he sprang,
While gay Creation laugh'd, and procreant Nature rang.
First an all-potent all-pervading sound
Bade flow the waters — and the waters
flow'd,
Exulting in their measureless abode,
Diffusive, multitudinous, profound,
Above,
beneath, around;
Then o'er the vast expanse primordial wind
Breath'd gently till a lucid bubble rose,
Which grew in perfect shape an Egg refin'd:
Created substance no such lustre shows,
Earth
no such beauty knows.
Above the warring waves it danc'd elate,
Till from its bursting shell with lovely
state
A form cerulean flutter'd o'er the
deep,
Brightest of beings, greatest of the great:
Who,
not as mortals steep,
Their
eyes in dewy sleep,
But heav'nly-pensive on the Lotos lay,
That blossom'd at his touch and shed a golden ray.
Hail, primal blossom! hail empyreal gem!
Kemel, or Pedma, or whate'er high name
Delight thee, say, what four-form'd Godhead
came,
With graceful stole and beamy diadem,
Forth
from thy verdant stem?
Full-gifted Brehma! Rapt in solemn thought
He stood, and round his eyes fire-darting
threw;
But, whilst his viewless origin he sought,
One plain he saw of living waters blue,
Their
spring nor saw nor knew.
Then, in his parent stalk again retir'd,
With restless pain for ages he inquir'd
What were his pow'rs, by whom, and why
conferr'd:
With doubts perplex'd, with keen impatience
fir'd
He rose,
and rising heard
Th' unknown
all-knowing Word,
"Brehma! no more in vain research persist:
My veil thou canst not move — Go; bid all worlds exist."
Omniscient Spirit, whose all-ruling pow'r
Bids from each sense bright emanations beam;
Glows in the rainbow, sparkles in the stream,
Smiles in the bud, and glistens in the flow'r
That
crowns each vernal bow'r;
Sighs in the gale, and warbles in the throat
Of ev'ry bird, that hails the bloomy
spring,
Or tells his love in many a liquid note,
Whilst envious artists touch the rival string,
Till
rocks and forests ring;
Breathes in rich fragrance from the sandal grove,
Or where the precious musk-deer playful rove;
In dulcet juice from clust'ring fruit
distills,
And burns salubrious in the tasteful clove:
Soft
banks and verd'rous hills
Thy present
influence fills;
In air, in floods, in caverns, woods, and plains;
Thy will inspirits all, thy sov'reign Maya reigns. | {
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Local Democratic officials in Broward and Palm Beach counties in Florida are recklessly violating state law in what may be an attempt to overturn the results of Tuesday’s midterm elections for governor and the U.S. Senate in the Sunshine State. This looks like a repeat of the actions in Florida in the 2000 presidential election, when Democratic officials ignored state election laws – and were slapped down by the U.S. Supreme Court in a 7-2 decision. Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda C. Snipes said Tuesday night that 634,000 votes had been cast in the county. But by Thursday night,...
Republican strategist Karl Rove ripped into President Donald Trump on “America’s Newsroom” Friday for considering a Justice Department investigation of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. “I think it’s unwise for any president of any party to look like he is demanding that the Justice Department investigate his political opponents,” Rove said. “It is just unseemly. I think a good test of this is turnabout. What if Hillary Clinton had won the election? Would we be excited about Hillary Clinton calling upon her attorney general to investigate Donald Trump over the meeting at the Trump Tower?” Rove said that’s not...
Republican strategist Karl Rove on Monday said President Trump should lower expectations ahead of November’s midterm elections, not predict a "red wave" of GOP victories. Rove, appearing on Fox News’ “America’s Newsroom,” pointed out that the party that holds the White House historically has lost seats in a midterm election. “In all likelihood, Republicans are going to lose seats in the House, they’re going to lose governorships, they’re going to lose state legislative seats,” Rove said. “I think the president would be well-advised to say we face an uphill fight but he feels good about it, rather than set the...
NeverTrumper RINO Rove is on Trish Reagan's "Intelligence Report" today telling Trump to lay off the tweets on nitwit witch hunter Mueller. He had better get used to the idea of Mueller just being laid off. "If you are innocent President Trump, ACT INNOCENT". He mentions Trey Gowdy as coming up with this stupid quote, who will soon be looking for a job in the mainstream media no doubt. My question is, what is an innocent person supposed to act like? If I was guilty I'd be quiet but if I was innocent I'd be speaking out loudly and getting...
On this weekend’s broadcast of “Fox News Sunday,” network contributor and Republican strategist Karl Rove discussed President Donald Trump criticism of NFL players for taking a knee during the national anthem at games. According to Rove, Trump would be “walking away” from this controversy a “loser.” ... “He could have come away from this the winner,” he continued. “But he is walking away from this a loser in the minds of the American people for exactly the reasons you pointed out. He was against the federal government interfering and telling the Washington Redskins what their name should be. Now he...
The National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) has no plans to endorse Corey Stewart, the party's Senate nominee in Virginia, the group's chairman said Wednesday. "We have a big map, right now we are focused on Florida, North Dakota, Missouri, Indiana. I don’t see Virginia in it," Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), who leads the Senate GOP campaign arm, told CNN.
GOP strategist Karl Rove says Republicans are in danger of losing their majority in the House of Representatives in the 2018 midterm elections. Asked how much trouble Republicans are in, Mr. Rove responded, “Big trouble.” “The president’s approval rating is in the high 30s, and the Republicans are 24 seats in the House away from losing their majorities,” he said on “Fox News Sunday.”
Republican strategist Karl Rove said Friday that President Trump would be wise to spend 2018 focusing on his agenda, rather than campaigning leading up to the midterms. In an interview on Fox News, Rove said that Trump has enjoyed a boost in his popularity in recent days because of his focus on tax reform. By putting an emphasis on his policy agenda, Rove argued, Trump could turn around his low approval ratings. "He's not very popular and the way to become more popular is to become less political and more involved in his agenda," said Rove, a former senior aide...
Former Jeb Bush campaign staffer Tim Miller was responsible for giving anti-Roy Moore information to the Washington Post, according to text messages obtained by Big League Politics. Tim Miller is the co-founder of America Rising super PAC, which was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars apiece by the Republican National Committee and the Senate Leadership Fund during the 2016 campaign cycle. Miller now works for Definers, which is a major vendor to America Rising. He served on the Bush campaign in a communications role and has since established himself as an anti-Trump Republican lauded by the anti-Trump left for his...
...The president is spurring Democrats to the voting booth while letting his own base drift away. His job approval in the Real Clear Politics average is 38%, 8 points below his share of the vote last November. In other words, 1 out of 6 people who cast ballots for Mr. Trump disapprove of his performance. This showed up in Southwest Virginia and the Shenandoah Valley—the commonwealth’s Trump Country. Mr. Gillespie carried these areas by impressive margins, but turnout was either down or simply not up as dramatically as in the anti-Trump suburbs... ..Mr. Gillespie did win independents statewide, 50.5% to...
Remember Amherst College student "John Doe," who was expelled for sexual misconduct, even though he had good reason to believe that his accuser had actually assaulted him? A judge recently blocked Doe's attempt to subpoena his female accuser's text messages on grounds that re-litigating the matter "would impose emotional and psychological trauma" on her. Consider the implications of this decision. According to Seattle District Judge James Robart, a student who believes Amherst violated his due process rights, wrongfully expelled him, and ignored subsequent evidence that his accuser, "Sandra Jones," was the actual violator of the college's sexual misconduct policies, does...
No one should have been surprised when President Trump followed through on his Aug. 15 campaign call for “extreme vetting” of visitors to America from dangerous parts of the globe. But the details of the president’s executive order—as well as the timing and the confusion that accompanied the rollout—are disconcerting. The administration issued its policy Friday afternoon, a time normally used in Washington to bury bad stories. Moreover, it came unaccompanied by briefing papers and talking points, and no officials immediately explained it. It took two hours before reporters received copies of the final order—and another two before White House...
In an appearance on “Fox News Sunday,” the Republican strategist said that Donald Trump’s poll numbers are simply too dismal to end in victory on election night. “I don’t see it happening,” Rove told Fox. “If he plays an inside straight, he could get it, but I doubt he’s going to be able to play it.”
The revelations from James O’Keefe’s videos about Brad Woodhouse and his group inspired one of my associates to make a comparison to the Carolina Rising affair of 2014 and 2015. You may remember that Dallas Woodhouse headed up something called Carolina Rising during the campaign of 2014 — prior to his ascension to the top staff position at NCGOP HQ. Carolina Rising was touted as a PAC aimed at promoting Republican fortunes in the state. The PAC earned itself some unwanted attention on Election Eve 2014 thanks to a TV interview involving Dallas. Dallas boasts on camera that he and...
The emergence of nearly 15,000 more deleted emails and evidence of shady dealings by her family’s foundation have put Hillary Clinton back on the defensive... Team Clinton is offering excuses... But the unconvincing explanations being offered create more problems than they solve...and bring Mrs. Clinton’s credibility to...total collapse. CNN’s Dana Bash asked Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager, Robby Mook, if giving special treatment to Clinton Foundation donors was “the kind of back-scratching that has Americans just turned off.” Mr. Mook demurred: “There was no quid pro quo or anything like that.” But there was... Mook claimed that “Secretary Clinton wasn’t the...
In a book just released, The Story: A Reporter's Journey, Judith Miller, a key witness in the Libby prosecution, states that Patrick Fitzgerald had offered repeatedly to drop all charges against Lewis Libby if he would "deliver" Vice President Cheney to him. In addition, she charges that Fitzgerald manipulated her into incorrectly testifying about a critical conversation she had with Libby and withheld exculpatory evidence from both her and the defense in order to induce her mistaken testimony – testimony the prosecution knew was made because she was acting under a false belief....[must read snip]....Rizzo, of course, is focused only...
Actor Ben Affleck has made it very clear where his sympathies lie in the Leakgate affair -- and it isn't with the White House. Appearing on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher," Affleck charged that President Bush "probably also leaked” CIA agent Valerie Plame's name and so "if he did, you can be hung for that! That's treason!” He continued: "You could be killed. That's not a joking around Tom DeLay 'I'll do a year, I bribed the state officials with corporate money.' That's like they shoot you in the battlefield for doing that.” Affleck also called DeLay a "criminal."
Ben Affleck: Bush Can Be Hung for 'Leaks' in Plamegate By Josh Hart Apr 9, 2006 Actor Ben Affleck suggested this weekend on 'Real Time with Bill Maher' that President Bush “probably leaked” Valerie Plame's name and so “if he did, you can be hung for that! That's treason!” The would be politician and Democrat went through this exchange according to News Busters that gives a brief and rough transcript on how Mr. Affleck came to this conclusion. *** The panel guests were Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) who was quite humorous as he let loose with some funny four-quotes. Bill... | {
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We’d like to thank Dion for the amazing writeup he gave Bindows at Web 2.0 Journal today. We really appreciate the time he took to learn about the product and speak with Yoram Meriaz, CEO at Bindows. Some of our favorite quotes from the article:
“The detail and complexity of the user experiences that Bindows creates is amazing, all without sacrjficing clarity of the interface.”
“They offer one of the slickest products so far.”
“If you’re looking to do Enterprise Web 2.0, Bindows is tough to beat and here today…”
“I don’t often devote full blog posts to a single product but Bindows is worth it and I’m seriously considering it for my own Ajax software development work.”
And of course, we didn’t mind the following quote, “I do expect Bindows will be acquired soon enough, with my best guess being Google given that Yahoo now has an impressive new AJAX library of its very own.”
Working with the Bindows product has been an exciting trip so far. With the introduction of SVG-support in Firefox 1.5 we were given the opportunity to draw vector graphics in both Internet Explorer (VML) and Firefox (SVG).
Abhinav Pobbati started working on a sort of graphing tool for a customer and I recently got the opportunity to help him further develop the concept. Now, we have an early demonstration of this simple graph tool which renders its graphics using VML in Internet Explorer and SVG in Firefox, all within the Bindows framework.
The demonstration contains several elements which can be dragged around on the screen. The elements are linked using lines which can be right clicked to show a context menu. Everything with a beautiful pastel coloured background!
In Internet Explorer, memory usage has a severe impact on performance. As memory utilisation rise, performance decrease. Also in comparing strings vs comparing variables huge benefits can be found. Here is a simple test that illustrates the behavior: | {
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Wednesday Wisdom With Wyndham – 101
Wyndham called from Bucharest saying he had met three abandoned siblings. They were alone, living in a shed with a dirt floor. He told me we needed to take them into our soon-to-open group home. For years we had worked toward the opening of this home in Romania, staffed by Christians. We would bring seventeen orphans, ages four to eight, from a state orphanage to live in the home. We knew we could not take more children than the ones that were already coming, and we knew that we could not take older children. There were just too many risks to an already risky undertaking.
So, when he called to tell me about these three children, ages ten to thirteen, I was not persuaded. I did not know how we could handle it, and besides, we didn’t really know them. When he responded, “We need to do this; you are going to have to trust me on this one,” I reluctantly agreed. After spending time with them, he saw through to their hearts and felt their needs. The oldest sibling had made sure they all took the very long route to get to school each day. Life in the shed was difficult, to say the least.
Wyndham convinced me that this was a risk we must take. So we did. They came to live in the home before the others came. Two girls and a boy. We celebrated Alex’s tenth birthday shortly after his arrival. He had never celebrated a birthday.
The day arrived when the seventeen kids came. The intensity of that first week is difficult to describe. I don’t think I slept more than a few hours the whole week. On a level of difficulty between one and ten, it was near twenty. The oldest sibling from the shed (who had moved in with her brother and sister) was an outstanding “big sister” for all. All three of them were (are) wonderful. The oldest sibling, Ionela, was moved by the love she saw from the Christians. There were times when I would see her outside, off by herself reading the Bible. Over time, she fell in love with God. One of the great joys of my life was helping to baptize her in the home in Romania. After a couple of years, all three were adopted by good friends, the Rushtons, who gave them a wonderful home. Today, all three are married with children.
Ionela and her husband, Anthony, have four boys and both serve in the ministry in the Chicago area. She is truly an amazing woman. This past week we received a letter which she graciously said I could share–so I will include excerpts:
…You have blessed my life. Thank you for saying “YES” to bringing my siblings and me to the group home. Because of your faith, sacrifice, love, and hard work my life has been changed for eternity. The group home is where I came to know God through the disciples and studying the Bible.
This past year I celebrated eighteen years as a disciple, more than half my life. That decision has changed everything. I got to marry a godly man who also had a dream to go into the full-time ministry, and together we have been serving in the ministry for ten years. We have been blessed with four amazing boys and we have the blessing to raise them to know and love God. My life and the blessings I enjoy every day are a result of your faith and sacrifice. Thank you for loving God first and letting Him use you to change lives for eternity….
Wyndham, you are truly a man after God’s own heart! Thank you for the incredible example of faith, courage, endurance, love, and sacrifice you have set for those around you and far away. As you have been suffering with your health you have become a stronger warrior. You both are warriors and your legacy is deep faith that has impacted many. I look forward to celebrating the reward of our faith with our God in our eternal home.
“I always thank my God as I remember you in my prayers.” Philemon 1:4
I love you both very much, Ionela (Testa)
Okay, now my eyes are leaking. We never know what will happen when we listen to the Spirit’s guidance and take a risk, even when that risk disturbs our plans. If we listen to all that could go wrong, we would never move forward. Wisdom takes risks.
I’m so glad Wyndham listened to the Spirit’s guidance and took this risk. God certainly took a risk on me, and I am eternally grateful. He gave up everything in hopes that you and I would respond to his love. I want him to see my life and be happy that he took that risk.
Out of that terrible travail of soul, he’ll see that it’s worth it and be glad he did it. Through what he experienced, my righteous one, my servant, will make many “righteous ones,” as he himself carries the burden of their sins. (Isaiah 53:11) MSG
3 thoughts on “Wednesday Wisdom With Wyndham – 101”
So incredibly inspiring…and the list goes on…only in Heaven….there’s just no way to understand the power of one solitary life…. like the One we get to serve and call Lord…you two are helping all of us think of possible “risks” that need to be taken…right now! Thank you…Hugs…♥️♥️♥️
This is truly an amazing story of faith and trusting God with the unknown. I am inspired and challenged. Such a small world–we are good friends of Guy and Loretta Berndt who lived in Jax for quite a while and their daughter is married to Ionela’s husband’s brother! This really encourages my faith! Thank you!
Jeanie, I had forgotten that you and Wyndham were so involved with the group home in Romania! And I never knew that you both had the responsibility of deciding which kids were admitted there. What an amazing thing you did for all those kids! And especially adopting Jacob.
The more I learn about you the more in awe I am about how God has used and continues to use you to encourage the Saints and build his spiritual family! Thank you! | {
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>> I recently added to pkg/28647, which deals with this problem
>> (http://www.netbsd.org/cgi-bin/query-pr-single.pl?number=28647).
>>
>> Another work-around is to do:
>> .if ${OPSYS} == "Darwin"
>> LIBTOOL_OVERRIDE= /usr/bin/glibtool
>> .endif
>> in the Makefile. I haven't tested whether or not it's possible to set
>> the override in mk.conf to make it global or not.
>
> A similar problem with '-framework' directives for ethereal is reported
> in pkg/29949. When I try the LIBTOOL_OVERRIDE work-around, I get the
> following at the end of the configure phase:
Greetings,
The problem has been fixed with libtool-1.5.18 (because I've been
bugging libtool authors for some time ;)).
Thanks to Todd V. for his patience. :)
Kind regards,
Adam | {
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Scores of Leaders to Attend Rohani's Presidential Inauguration in Iran
Scores of world leaders are to attend moderate cleric Hassan Rohani's presidential inauguration in Iran on 3 August.
Iranian officials have said a number of leaders have confirmed that they will be present at the swearing-in ceremony.
"Presidents of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Armenia, Lebanon, Kazakhstan, North Korea, Turkmenistan, Guinea Bissau, Togo and Tajikistan have announced that they will take part in Rohani's inauguration ceremony," announced the Iranian parliament's director general for protocol, Mohammad Yasrebi, during a press conference, according to reports.
Iran has invited all countries except the US and Israel to the inauguration.
Rohani won the presidential elections held on 14 July securing more than 50% of the vote.
Kim Yong-nam, North Korea's head of parliament and the senior-most figure in Pyongyang after leader Kim Jong-un, will represent the country.
Iran and North Korea maintain a warm relationship as both countries have been severely criticised for their contentious nuclear programmes.
Reports have speculated that both countries exchange experts and resources for their nuclear programmes. The two countries are reeling under an economic crackdown imposed by the west.
Iran has said that the prime ministers of Syria and Swaziland will also attend the inauguration. Iraq's acting president and Venezuela's vice-president is also expected to be present.
India, which has close economic ties with Iran, has decided to send its foreign minister, Salman Kurshid.
Russian President Vladimir Putin is expected to visit Iran to hold nuclear talks, days after the formal inauguration.
The final list of guests arriving for the ceremony will be released later this week. The long list of invitees, a break from Iran's traditional inauguration, has sent out a clear signal that the country intends to reach out to as many countries as possible in the face of the crippling economic sanctions. | {
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September 2006
Acquisition and Assets"As of this month, Ex Libris is owned by Francisco Partners. The vendor's
operations will remain status quo, and the acquisition won't have a
profound impact on the larger ILS landscape—but Ex Libris developers
may soon have deeper pockets from which to pull."
Breeding also examines the implications of the Follett-Sagebrush deal, "a move
that consolidates the two largest K–12 library-automation software suppliers."
Also in SLN in September..."The Hills Are Alive with the Sounds of Mashups" by Tom PetersPeters takes a look at NYC-based Sound Seeker and its venture into audio/Web mashups. Part of the "NYSoundmap project of The New York Society for
Acoustic Ecology," Sound Seeker is way for contributors to is put "links to audio recordings taken at specific locations in New York City onto a Google map." Peters wonders, "If auditory mashups have arrived, can olfactory mashups (e.g., scratch-and-sniff maps of a fruit harvest in progress) and tactile mashups be far behind?"
"Wikipedia in a New Yorker Minute"Based on his reading of the recent "Know It All" article in The New Yorker, Peters muses about the "Wikipedia phenomenon and wonders, "What can librarianship and information science learn from [it]?" His lesson list includes:
"Collaboration on a grand scale can produce something
good and useful as well as moderately true and beautiful."
And he propounds, "We should not assume that we can know or even predict a priori the information needs and interests of a population."
And in Google Corner(ed) by Tom Peters"Accessible Google Beta: Google Labs, the fine folks at Google who developed | {
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Why it pays to buy good plywood
It's what's inside that matters
When evaluating a sheet of plywood, start by looking at its edge. Thin veneers of wood, glued and pressed with crossing grain directions—transform humble core woods into sheets that are wider, flatter, and more dimensionally stable than anything found in nature. But modern plywood manufacturing, especially overseas, has shifted from birch-only cores to other often-inferior woods at the expense of core quality and stability.
When examining plywood, ask yourself: Are the layers straight, of a consistent thickness, and free of large voids? Irregularities in the core veneers can telegraph through to the thin face veneer and broadcast themselves during sanding and finishing.
Sight along the edge to check the sheet's straightness. A bow indicates unevenly dried core material that only warps more, as cutting the sheet releases internal tension. | {
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The “body image” is a putative mental representation of one’s own body, including structural and geometric details, as well as the more familiar visual and affective aspects. Very little research has investigated how we learn the structure of our own body, with most researchers emphasising the canonical visual representation of the body when we look at ourselves in a mirror. Here, we used non-visual self-touch in healthy participants to investigate the possibility that primary sensorimotor experience may influence cognitive representations of one’s own body structure. Participants used the fingers of one hand , to touch the fingers of the other . A conflict between the experience of the active and passive hand was introduced by experimenter interleaving their fingers with the fingers of the participant’s passive hand. This led to the active hand experiencing that it touched more fingers than the passive hand felt it was being touched by. The effects on representation of body structure were assessed using an implicit measure based on Kinsbourne and Warrington’s ‘in-between task’. We found an underestimation of the number of fingers in the central part of the hand specifically linked to the experience of self-touch. This pattern of results corresponds to the experience of the passive hand, but not the active hand. Nevertheless, comparable reorganisation of fingers within the hand representation was found for both active and passive hands. We show that primary sensorimotor experience can modify the representation of body structure. This modification is driven by the passive experience of being touched, rather than by the active experience of touching. We believe this is the first experimental study of effects of self-touch on the mental representation of the body | {
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If we are to avoid irreversible global warming that will have devastating economic and social consequences for the world, “rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society” are required. This was the conclusion of a special report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) published in October. We – the collective “we” – have been given 12 years to arrest climate change. The message is clear: everyone is responsible for creating a more environmentally sustainable world. And the arts and cultural sector is no exception.
We have been talking about these issues at the Arts Council for a long time, and over the past decade have worked with the climate change charity Julie’s Bicycle to help arts and cultural organisations reduce their environmental impact. In 2012 we became the first cultural body in the world to include environmental reporting and action in our long-term funding agreements with arts organisations. Recognising that we had to create the conditions for change to happen, the Arts Council buttressed these requirements with a programme of support from Julie’s Bicycle. Together we substantially increased understanding about the role of the sector in addressing environmental issues and associated social challenges.
The findings of our Annual Report on Environmental Sustainability, published on Tuesday, prove the value of that intervention and show that commitment and creativity can bring inspiring results. In six years we have seen a 23% reduction in energy consumption and a corresponding 35% reduction in carbon emissions. Theatres, libraries, museums and concert halls of all sizes – in cities such as Birmingham, Exeter and London and across the country from Cumbria to the Thames estuary – are taking significant steps to highlight the issue in their programmes and improve their own environmental practice, installing solar panels, switching to energy-saving lightbulbs and reducing travel.
We have seen the power of encouraging the arts and cultural community to go on a collective journey. Several major city-wide initiatives have been developed, including the Manchester Arts Sustainability Team – a group of organisations working together to help deliver the city’s first-ever climate change strategy, Manchester: A Certain Future.
Arts and cultural companies possess significant purchasing power and can be instrumental in persuading suppliers to make ethical decisions and develop greener products and services. A quarter of our funded organisations are now on a green energy tariff, helping to drive demand for clean energy across the UK. Of course, the overall contribution made by the arts and cultural sector to energy conservation and carbon reduction is comparatively small. But for large parts of our audience it has become paramount that these institutions are setting an example in embracing and advocating for change.
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Arts and culture make a vital contribution to the creation of a more inclusive and more confident society. They have the power to delight, educate, stimulate and inspire and, at a time of increasing division and inequality, we need their influence more than ever. As the IPCC report emphasised, the response to global warming must cover every aspect of life. We need action within the commercial sphere and engagement from the public. Artists and arts organisations can shape conversations about the environment. They can challenge and be provocative, both informing and opening our minds.
In recent years, there has been an overwhelming response from arts and cultural organisations eager to put this conversation centre stage. They are presenting a range of innovative projects that engage audiences in the issue of climate change. Last week, I visited Invisible Dust in Scarborough, which works with leading visual artists, creative technologists and scientists to encourage meaningful responses to environmental issues. In Kendal, Brewery Arts Centre showed Plastic on the Menu, highlighting issues around plastic in drinking water; a VR installation at Leicester’s Phoenix Arts Centre put audiences In the Eyes of the Animal to raise awareness of biodiversity in UK woodlands; and University of Cambridge Museums developed Operation Survival, in collaboration with Fire Hazard Games, a high-energy competition asking participants to come up with solutions for a world in crisis.
When it comes to the environment, time is fast running out. We have to accelerate our response to the threats. The arts has an important role in helping society to face up to the challenge of climate change and create a more sustainable future for us all. | {
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While there’s no question that organic cotton is excellent for the environment, the benefits it has on your personal health are unclearit’s unlikely that pesticides remain in clothing in quantities large enough to seep into our bodies. The one possible exception is clothing treated with flame retardants (the label will tell you if that’s the case). | {
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Notre Dame seeks to measure up against Clemson in Cotton Bowl
The Notre Dame Fighting Irish in their last game against the Clemson Tigers at Clemson Memorial Stadium on October 3, 2015 in Clemson, South Carolina. (Photo by Tyler Smith/Getty Images)
Notre Dame seeks to measure up against Clemson in Cotton Bowl
The Notre Dame Fighting Irish in their last game against the Clemson Tigers at Clemson Memorial Stadium on October 3, 2015 in Clemson, South Carolina. (Photo by Tyler Smith/Getty Images)
DALLAS, Texas — The question was about sustaining high-level success in college football and Dabo Swinney’s answer lasted 3 minutes, 40 seconds. Brevity is not the Clemson coach’s strong suit.
Swinney talked about how people make the program, continuity leads to consistency, and how it can’t just be about the results on the scoreboard.
“It’s a holistic approach. It’s social. It’s spiritual. It’s life skills. It’s career development. It’s every area,” Swinney said Friday during the final Cotton Bowl news conference. “And I think our commitment to that has been a big reason that we’ve been able to sustain our success because I think certain types of young people have bought into that.”
As Swinney talked, Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly listened — a joint news conference with Swinney involves a lot of listening — occasionally nodding his head in agreement. Swinney has built the Tigers into what Notre Dame used to be and what Kelly is trying to recreate in South Bend, Indiana.
The second-ranked Tigers (13-0) face the third-ranked Fighting Irish (12-0) on Saturday in Notre Dame’s first College Football Playoff appearance. It is Clemson’s fourth straight. The winner will play for the national championship on Jan. 7 in Santa Clara, California. Clemson has played for the title twice in the past three seasons.
Kelly marveled at Clemson’s consistency under Swinney.
“It’s easy to get distracted,” Kelly said. “And to keep that within your culture in your program requires just to have an eye on it every single day. So his ability to continue to keep his program year in and year out at the top of college football requires more than just recruiting good players.”
Kelly has been at Notre Dame for nine years and had the most successful run for a Fighting Irish coach since Lou Holtz, who won the school’s last national title in 1988. The only coaches who have won more games at Notre Dame than Kelly (81-34) are Hall of Famers Knute Rockne (105), Holtz (100), Ara Parseghian (95) and Frank Leahy (87).
Kelly has only once been this close to a national championship and after Alabama beat the Irish 42-14 in the 2012 BCS championship game, Notre Dame really didn’t seem all that close in retrospect. Just two seasons ago, the Irish went 4-8 and Kelly overhauled his staff and his approach to leading a team. The result was a huge turnaround to 10-3 last year. The foundation appears to be in place for the Irish to regularly contend for the playoff.
Still, Kelly and his team have downplayed any talk of the Cotton Bowl being a barometer for the program. Sure, the Irish are here again on the big stage, but do they really belong?
“When you go through and win week after week, you’re past measuring sticks,” Kelly said earlier this week.
If Alabama is the current standard in college football, Clemson has been the only program that comes close.
In 11 seasons under Swinney, the Tigers are 114-30. And while that takes more than just good players, the Tigers also have plenty of those.
Running back Travis Etienne is a second-team All-American who has scored 22 touchdowns. Freshman quarterback Trevor Lawrence looks like a future first overall NFL draft pick. The best defensive line in the country features All-Americans in tackle Christian Wilkins and end Clelin Ferrell. No opponent has come within 20 points of Clemson since a close call against Syracuse in September.
“We don’t need a superhuman effort or anything, just keep doing what we’ve been doing and take care of our business and control what we can control,” said Notre Dame quarterback Ian Book, who, like Lawrence, took over as the starter midseason.
More things to know about the fourth and most important meeting between Notre Dame and Clemson.
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Clemson will be without one of its key performers on its great defensive line after 340-pound tackle Dexter Lawrence was suspended for failing an NCAA test for performance-enhancing drugs. Stepping in will be senior Albert Huggins, sophomore Nyles Pinckney and redshirt freshman Jordan Williams.
“Those guys have played all year long. They have a ton of experience. They hurt for their teammate. But you best believe they’re excited for a little more opportunity for themselves,” Swinney said.
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Notre Dame’s Dexter Williams missed the first four games of the season for undisclosed disciplinary reasons, but he has been one of the best running backs in the country since returning, averaging 6.63 yards per carry with a team-high 13 touchdowns.
The Irish have insisted their approach on offense won’t change with Lawrence missing, but there could be more room and opportunities for Williams to get rolling. | {
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This longitudinal study of mid-career managers compared the career progression of men and women during the 1990's. Unlike the subjects of many earlier studies, these men and women had similar education and experience profiles. Womens income changes were less than men's and reflected the greater financial strides and greater returns from promotions for men prior to 1995. The income gaps between men and women were explained by gender differences in career determinants, such as work hours, career interruptions, and having a nonemployed spouse. There was evidence of subtle forms of workplace discrimination against women in the past but not over the most recent four-year period. Women's family situations, however, continued to present obstacles to progression. In addition, a recent decline in women's priorities for promotion, a predictor of actual promotions, signalled an impending decrease in their rate of promotion relative to men's. | {
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Two men shot in early-morning attack
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Two men were shot and one was seriously injured early Wednesday morning in Quincy, in an attack that police suspect was not random. According to police, a taxi pulled up near Arlington and Brook streets at 3:45 a.m. to let out four passengers. As they were paying the fare, a person came up and fired several shots. A 19-year-old Quincy resident was shot in the stomach and is in serious condition at Boston Medical Center, police said. A 22-year-old was hit in the elbow and was treated at Quincy Medical Center and released. The two other passengers were uninjured. Captain John Dougan said the attack did not appear to be random, but he did not elaborate. | {
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This portable lighting package includes 4 Par-38A high polish PAR cans, a T20F chase controller with foot controller, 4 LL-Par38 150W lamps, an LTS-6 tripod stand, and a four-pack of color gels (green, blue, red, yellow). The equipment is designed for easy setup and take down for mobile DJs, bands, and karaoke rigs. Approximate system weight is 30 pounds.
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Southampton pub The Hobbit in battle with Hollywood studio
Southampton pub The Hobbit has been caught up in a legal face-off with a massive multi-national American company.
The David and Goliath-style battle could mean the popular watering hole has to change its name and theme entirely. The legal row has been described by regulars as “like hobbits versus orcs” – a
famous scene from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
The landlady says she has been told to remove all references to author JRR Tolkien’s creations, and the subsequent smash-hit films made about them – or face legal action.
The name of the pub, the website, interior and exterior artwork and the fonts it uses for promotions could have to go. Even the pub’s popular Lord of the Rings themed cocktails – named after
characters such as Frodo and Gandalf – face being scrapped.
The pub, which has been trading in Bevois Valley Road under the name The Hobbit for more than 20 years, says it is being threatened with legal action by the Saul Zaentz Company.
The California-based company is owned by US movie producer Saul Zaentz, who made Oscar winners The English Patient and One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
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He owns the worldwide film, stage and merchandising rights to The Lord of the Rings trilogy and The Hobbit.
The Lord of the Rings movies, which star Elijah Wood as hobbit Frodo, are among the most successful in history and the follow-up film The Hobbit is due out at the end of this year.
Last night pub landlady Stella Roberts, 41, said her small business did not have the funds to stand up to the Hollywood giant.
They have been given a deadline of the end of May to change the pub’s theme – or legal action will be taken for copyright infringement.
She said: “We just haven’t got the resources to fight it. How can I take on a multi-million pound power?
“It’s all in the hands of the solicitors at the moment – we are just stunned.
“It’s not just a case of changing the name – it’s all the merchandise, artwork, absolutely everything. We never planned to steal anybody else’s ideas – we’re all such huge fans of Tolkien that it’s
more like a homage.”
Pub regular, Ann-Marie O’Halloran- Woodford, 32, from Midanbury, said the pub was unique. She added: “I think it’s very symptomatic of the little guy verses the big guys – people who have the money
have all the rights and that’s the way the system works. It’s like hobbits verses orcs.”
Heather Cartwright, who set up the Internet campaign, says she would be devastated if the pub had to change its theme: “Part of the fun of The Hobbit is its theme. I can’t think of any other pub
where I’ve walked past a Ringwraith, or had the pleasure of being able to say: ‘I’ll have a Gandalf, please’.
“It’s a homage to Tolkien’s work, not someone just selfishly trying to capitalise off it.”
In November, a Birmingham cafe called the Hungry Hobbit was also accused of copyright infringement by lawyers representing SZC.
The cafe was told to “phase out” the use of the name on menus, websites and signs.
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The Daily Echo attempted to contact both SZC and Edward Wildman Group solicitors, who are acting on behalf of the company, but no one was available to comment.
• Reporter Bethan Phillips will be at The Hobbit at 4pm today to collect the views of regulars. Please come down to have your say.
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I worked at the Hobbit in the early 1990s. It's an established part of southampton's pub DNA. Surely the owner can argue demonstrable "no harm", which is the usual defense against copyright infringement involving long-standing naming rights issues.
I worked at the Hobbit in the early 1990s. It's an established part of southampton's pub DNA. Surely the owner can argue demonstrable "no harm", which is the usual defense against copyright infringement involving long-standing naming rights issues.City Saint
I worked at the Hobbit in the early 1990s. It's an established part of southampton's pub DNA. Surely the owner can argue demonstrable "no harm", which is the usual defense against copyright infringement involving long-standing naming rights issues.
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sherinsul says...7:24am Tue 13 Mar 12
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculoussherinsul
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
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nedscrumpo says...7:27am Tue 13 Mar 12
change the name to THE HOB BIT
change the name to THE HOB BITnedscrumpo
change the name to THE HOB BIT
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waggers5 says...7:41am Tue 13 Mar 12
This is a pub we're talking about here. It's not a movie, a stage production, or merchandise of any kind. The film studio's rights surely don't cover this.
This is a pub we're talking about here. It's not a movie, a stage production, or merchandise of any kind. The film studio's rights surely don't cover this.waggers5
This is a pub we're talking about here. It's not a movie, a stage production, or merchandise of any kind. The film studio's rights surely don't cover this.
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Totton Ric says...7:46am Tue 13 Mar 12
Typical Yanks, as somebody has already said the Hobbit has been there longer than the Film when made. I do believe back in the late 90s The Romsey Old Boys had to stop using certain costumes as Walt Disney said they would sue ! That’s them all over, World domination on everything !
Typical Yanks, as somebody has already said the Hobbit has been there longer than the Film when made. I do believe back in the late 90s The Romsey Old Boys had to stop using certain costumes as Walt Disney said they would sue ! That’s them all over, World domination on everything !Totton Ric
Typical Yanks, as somebody has already said the Hobbit has been there longer than the Film when made. I do believe back in the late 90s The Romsey Old Boys had to stop using certain costumes as Walt Disney said they would sue ! That’s them all over, World domination on everything !
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Crazywolf says...7:47am Tue 13 Mar 12
They should just change their name. to something like.. Hollywood Greed
They should just change their name.
to something like..
Hollywood GreedCrazywolf
They should just change their name. to something like.. Hollywood Greed
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RBurns17 says...7:58am Tue 13 Mar 12
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
[quote][p][bold]sherinsul[/bold] wrote:
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous[/p][/quote]You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s.
When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien.
The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy....
Seriously people....RBurns17
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
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Essruu says...8:00am Tue 13 Mar 12
They shouldn't just change it. If they can't afford the legal bill, just self-represent. If forced to change the name, 'THE HOB BIT' is a good shout. Or 'Saul Zaentz's Tiny Penis'.
They shouldn't just change it. If they can't afford the legal bill, just self-represent.
If forced to change the name, 'THE HOB BIT' is a good shout. Or 'Saul Zaentz's Tiny Penis'.Essruu
They shouldn't just change it. If they can't afford the legal bill, just self-represent. If forced to change the name, 'THE HOB BIT' is a good shout. Or 'Saul Zaentz's Tiny Penis'.
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CazzB says...8:00am Tue 13 Mar 12
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
I do not agree that the pub should change its name but the article says "Lawyers for a US film company are demanding the Hobbit pub scraps its name and any links to JRR Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings books. " Not films and The Hobbit was 1st published in 1937
[quote][p][bold]sherinsul[/bold] wrote:
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous[/p][/quote]I do not agree that the pub should change its name but the article says "Lawyers for a US film company are demanding the Hobbit pub scraps its name and any links to JRR Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings books. " Not films and The Hobbit was 1st published in 1937CazzB
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
I do not agree that the pub should change its name but the article says "Lawyers for a US film company are demanding the Hobbit pub scraps its name and any links to JRR Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings books. " Not films and The Hobbit was 1st published in 1937
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bigfella777 says...8:07am Tue 13 Mar 12
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.bigfella777
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
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10 Minute Man says...8:09am Tue 13 Mar 12
What are they frightened of? Someone will accidentally mistake a crusty old boozer in Bevois Valley, Southampton with the real thing ? A Hobbit theme park ? A Peter Jackson memorial site ? What ? Or is it the usual hamfisted shakedown by a bunch of merchandisers and their greedy lawyers ? Perhaps in exchange for a small consideration they will be allowed to retain the name.... Of course this is nothing compared to ACTA, the secret worldwide copyright treaty that CallMeDave, SpinelessNick, and before them Ol'OneEye are signing our country up to without so much as a glance at the electorate.
What are they frightened of? Someone will accidentally mistake a crusty old boozer in Bevois Valley, Southampton with the real thing ? A Hobbit theme park ? A Peter Jackson memorial site ? What ?
Or is it the usual hamfisted shakedown by a bunch of merchandisers and their greedy lawyers ? Perhaps in exchange for a small consideration they will be allowed to retain the name....
Of course this is nothing compared to ACTA, the secret worldwide copyright treaty that CallMeDave, SpinelessNick, and before them Ol'OneEye are signing our country up to without so much as a glance at the electorate.10 Minute Man
What are they frightened of? Someone will accidentally mistake a crusty old boozer in Bevois Valley, Southampton with the real thing ? A Hobbit theme park ? A Peter Jackson memorial site ? What ? Or is it the usual hamfisted shakedown by a bunch of merchandisers and their greedy lawyers ? Perhaps in exchange for a small consideration they will be allowed to retain the name.... Of course this is nothing compared to ACTA, the secret worldwide copyright treaty that CallMeDave, SpinelessNick, and before them Ol'OneEye are signing our country up to without so much as a glance at the electorate.
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bids says...8:22am Tue 13 Mar 12
just change it back to the real name ports-wood hotel (:
just change it back to the real name ports-wood hotel (:bids
just change it back to the real name ports-wood hotel (:
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userds5050 says...8:24am Tue 13 Mar 12
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
Yes, most people do realise The Hobbit is based on a book. You're right about the promo stuff though. They had stuff like Gandalf cocktails on sale when I went in there once.
[quote][p][bold]RBurns17[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sherinsul[/bold] wrote:
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous[/p][/quote]You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s.
When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien.
The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy....
Seriously people....[/p][/quote]Yes, most people do realise The Hobbit is based on a book. You're right about the promo stuff though. They had stuff like Gandalf cocktails on sale when I went in there once.userds5050
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
Yes, most people do realise The Hobbit is based on a book. You're right about the promo stuff though. They had stuff like Gandalf cocktails on sale when I went in there once.
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Ant Smoking MP says...8:28am Tue 13 Mar 12
Maybe the Pub called The Hobbit should sue the Saul Zaentz Company for using their Pubs name for the film?
Maybe the Pub called The Hobbit should sue the Saul Zaentz Company for using their Pubs name for the film?Ant Smoking MP
Maybe the Pub called The Hobbit should sue the Saul Zaentz Company for using their Pubs name for the film?
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Ant Smoking MP says...8:32am Tue 13 Mar 12
Wasnt the other name for the book called The Hobbit 'There and Back Again'? Now there is a possible compromise!!
Wasnt the other name for the book called The Hobbit 'There and Back Again'? Now there is a possible compromise!!Ant Smoking MP
Wasnt the other name for the book called The Hobbit 'There and Back Again'? Now there is a possible compromise!!
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a and e says...8:39am Tue 13 Mar 12
a great name would be the space cadet or the dump.
a great name would be the space cadet or the dump.a and e
a great name would be the space cadet or the dump.
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Pixiienot says...8:46am Tue 13 Mar 12
What a load of rubbish.. I hardly think a small student bar in Southampton poses any threat! Its like the inventor of dominoes threatening dominoes pizza?! Get a life.
What a load of rubbish.. I hardly think a small student bar in Southampton poses any threat! Its like the inventor of dominoes threatening dominoes pizza?! Get a life.Pixiienot
What a load of rubbish.. I hardly think a small student bar in Southampton poses any threat! Its like the inventor of dominoes threatening dominoes pizza?! Get a life.
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Icklelady says...8:48am Tue 13 Mar 12
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
This is just greed.
The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years.
Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around?
Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.Icklelady
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
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Beer Monster says...8:51am Tue 13 Mar 12
It's certainly more to do with the promotional side - Hobbits pub in Hythe has various LotR memorabilia inside, but draws the line at promos, so has been left untarnished
It's certainly more to do with the promotional side - Hobbits pub in Hythe has various LotR memorabilia inside, but draws the line at promos, so has been left untarnishedBeer Monster
It's certainly more to do with the promotional side - Hobbits pub in Hythe has various LotR memorabilia inside, but draws the line at promos, so has been left untarnished
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Linesman says...9:01am Tue 13 Mar 12
nedscrumpo wrote…
change the name to THE HOB BIT
Or tell Saul Zaentz to HOPPIT.
[quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote:
change the name to THE HOB BIT[/p][/quote]Or tell Saul Zaentz to HOPPIT.Linesman
nedscrumpo wrote…
change the name to THE HOB BIT
Or tell Saul Zaentz to HOPPIT.
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loosehead says...9:05am Tue 13 Mar 12
Would the pub be willing to pay royalties on every pint sold to the owners of the trademark/copywrite ? they are making a living & branding their product under the Lord of the rings theme(Hobbit) so are exploiting this for their own good so it might be petty but the company/persons have every right to stop them. If you make a shirt with a football teams name on it & sell it as such you can be done this is no different
Would the pub be willing to pay royalties on every pint sold to the owners of the trademark/copywrite ?
they are making a living & branding their product under the Lord of the rings theme(Hobbit) so are exploiting this for their own good so it might be petty but the company/persons have every right to stop them.
If you make a shirt with a football teams name on it & sell it as such you can be done this is no differentloosehead
Would the pub be willing to pay royalties on every pint sold to the owners of the trademark/copywrite ? they are making a living & branding their product under the Lord of the rings theme(Hobbit) so are exploiting this for their own good so it might be petty but the company/persons have every right to stop them. If you make a shirt with a football teams name on it & sell it as such you can be done this is no different
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ToastyTea says...9:25am Tue 13 Mar 12
CEH393 wrote…
Chipster wrote…
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
Seriously, get out more and get a ****ing life you pompous tool!
Well put Chipster, what a complete fool this man is! I wonder how long it took him to find out all of his info on google and wiki?
How is he a fool, he's right. When this story came about I did think I can't imagine they have bought the rights off the Tolkien estate to be able to name the pub 'The Hobbit' (even if it was 20yrs ago). They are more then within their right to make the pub rename (however harsh it maybe), I'm surprised it hasn't come about sooner actually.
[quote][p][bold]CEH393[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chipster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RBurns17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sherinsul[/bold] wrote: how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous[/p][/quote]You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....[/p][/quote]Seriously, get out more and get a ****ing life you pompous tool![/p][/quote]Well put Chipster, what a complete fool this man is! I wonder how long it took him to find out all of his info on google and wiki?[/p][/quote]How is he a fool, he's right. When this story came about I did think I can't imagine they have bought the rights off the Tolkien estate to be able to name the pub 'The Hobbit' (even if it was 20yrs ago).
They are more then within their right to make the pub rename (however harsh it maybe), I'm surprised it hasn't come about sooner actually.ToastyTea
CEH393 wrote…
Chipster wrote…
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
Seriously, get out more and get a ****ing life you pompous tool!
Well put Chipster, what a complete fool this man is! I wonder how long it took him to find out all of his info on google and wiki?
How is he a fool, he's right. When this story came about I did think I can't imagine they have bought the rights off the Tolkien estate to be able to name the pub 'The Hobbit' (even if it was 20yrs ago). They are more then within their right to make the pub rename (however harsh it maybe), I'm surprised it hasn't come about sooner actually.
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hulla baloo says...9:28am Tue 13 Mar 12
Grow up Chipster and CEH, here is a guy who spent time researching information, and added here to be constructive to the topic. Give him credit, not insults.
Grow up Chipster and CEH, here is a guy who spent time researching information, and added here to be constructive to the topic. Give him credit, not insults.hulla baloo
Grow up Chipster and CEH, here is a guy who spent time researching information, and added here to be constructive to the topic. Give him credit, not insults.
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The Music Man says...9:31am Tue 13 Mar 12
This has been a long time coming. They've gotten away with it for years. If it was just memorabilia it could be classed as a tribute pub.....but they've created drinks like "Gandalf", they sell t-shirts with the LOTR images on. It's more like a theme pub and they are making money of somebody else's creation. This couldn't happen to a nicer lady.
This has been a long time coming. They've gotten away with it for years. If it was just memorabilia it could be classed as a tribute pub.....but they've created drinks like "Gandalf", they sell t-shirts with the LOTR images on. It's more like a theme pub and they are making money of somebody else's creation.
This couldn't happen to a nicer lady.The Music Man
This has been a long time coming. They've gotten away with it for years. If it was just memorabilia it could be classed as a tribute pub.....but they've created drinks like "Gandalf", they sell t-shirts with the LOTR images on. It's more like a theme pub and they are making money of somebody else's creation. This couldn't happen to a nicer lady.
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SpiderMeringue says...9:32am Tue 13 Mar 12
bigfella777 wrote…
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.[/p][/quote]Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.SpiderMeringue
bigfella777 wrote…
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.
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userds5050 says...9:33am Tue 13 Mar 12
Reuel Tolkien, CBE ( /ˈtɒlkiːn/, US /ˈtoʊlkiːn/;[1] 3 January 1892 – 2 September 1973) was an English writer, poet, philologist, and university professor, best known as the author of the classic high fantasy works The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion.
Reuel Tolkien, CBE ( /ˈtɒlkiːn/, US /ˈtoʊlkiːn/;[1] 3 January 1892 – 2 September 1973) was an English writer, poet, philologist, and university professor, best known as the author of the classic high fantasy works The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion.userds5050
Reuel Tolkien, CBE ( /ˈtɒlkiːn/, US /ˈtoʊlkiːn/;[1] 3 January 1892 – 2 September 1973) was an English writer, poet, philologist, and university professor, best known as the author of the classic high fantasy works The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion.
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Shoong says...9:34am Tue 13 Mar 12
Sorry, but they've been trading off someone else's creativity & the Tolkien family estate for many years, just laws are in place to ensure you don't encroach on copyrights. They must have known this would come one day.
Sorry, but they've been trading off someone else's creativity & the Tolkien family estate for many years, just laws are in place to ensure you don't encroach on copyrights.
They must have known this would come one day.Shoong
Sorry, but they've been trading off someone else's creativity & the Tolkien family estate for many years, just laws are in place to ensure you don't encroach on copyrights. They must have known this would come one day.
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ajw1986 says...9:37am Tue 13 Mar 12
Possibly the most rediculous thing ever. Why should they be even bothered about a pub in Southampton? Thats stupid.
Possibly the most rediculous thing ever. Why should they be even bothered about a pub in Southampton? Thats stupid.ajw1986
Possibly the most rediculous thing ever. Why should they be even bothered about a pub in Southampton? Thats stupid.
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YankeeDoodle says...9:41am Tue 13 Mar 12
They should see how the Hungry Hobbit sandwich shop in Birmingham got to keep its name when faced with the same legal team. LOL, its across the way from The Shire greenbelt if you want to find it.
They should see how the Hungry Hobbit sandwich shop in Birmingham got to keep its name when faced with the same legal team. LOL, its across the way from The Shire greenbelt if you want to find it.YankeeDoodle
They should see how the Hungry Hobbit sandwich shop in Birmingham got to keep its name when faced with the same legal team. LOL, its across the way from The Shire greenbelt if you want to find it.
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voiceinthecrowd says...9:42am Tue 13 Mar 12
I write under another name and royalties etc pay my living. Its hardwork writing etc without people trying to make money for free. No one is going to pay for royalty usage if this pub continues to use the Hobbit freely If this went ahead unchecked thousands would jump on the band wagon.
I write under another name and royalties etc pay my living. Its hardwork writing etc without people trying to make money for free.
No one is going to pay for royalty usage if this pub continues to use the Hobbit freely
If this went ahead unchecked thousands would jump on the band wagon.voiceinthecrowd
I write under another name and royalties etc pay my living. Its hardwork writing etc without people trying to make money for free. No one is going to pay for royalty usage if this pub continues to use the Hobbit freely If this went ahead unchecked thousands would jump on the band wagon.
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abees says...9:44am Tue 13 Mar 12
Don't worry Echo, you're only FOUR days behind on this one: http://sotontab.co.u k/news/2012/03/09/ho bbit-under-siege-fro m-tolkiens-orc-lawye rs/
Don't worry Echo, you're only FOUR days behind on this one:
http://sotontab.co.u
k/news/2012/03/09/ho
bbit-under-siege-fro
m-tolkiens-orc-lawye
rs/abees
Don't worry Echo, you're only FOUR days behind on this one: http://sotontab.co.u k/news/2012/03/09/ho bbit-under-siege-fro m-tolkiens-orc-lawye rs/
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aberis says...9:55am Tue 13 Mar 12
ToastyTea wrote…
CEH393 wrote…
Chipster wrote…
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
Seriously, get out more and get a ****ing life you pompous tool!
Well put Chipster, what a complete fool this man is! I wonder how long it took him to find out all of his info on google and wiki?
How is he a fool, he's right. When this story came about I did think I can't imagine they have bought the rights off the Tolkien estate to be able to name the pub 'The Hobbit' (even if it was 20yrs ago). They are more then within their right to make the pub rename (however harsh it maybe), I'm surprised it hasn't come about sooner actually.
I first started going to this pub while I was doing my apprenticeship (88-92). I can't remember it the time whether they said it was named in Tolkien's (died 1973) memory or simply because they liked the books; however as Tolkien had lived in, and died, the Bournemouth area they had written to the Tolkien estate to ask permission to use the name. They certainly hadn't bought the rights to use the name; however I believe they were told that due to the locality of Tolkien's home, they would allow the name to be used. I appreciate that I doubt it would have covered the use of the movie images for promotion etc.; however if the use of the name was allowed, provided the promotional usage stops, there would be no reason for the pub not to keep it's name.
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]CEH393[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chipster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RBurns17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sherinsul[/bold] wrote: how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous[/p][/quote]You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....[/p][/quote]Seriously, get out more and get a ****ing life you pompous tool![/p][/quote]Well put Chipster, what a complete fool this man is! I wonder how long it took him to find out all of his info on google and wiki?[/p][/quote]How is he a fool, he's right. When this story came about I did think I can't imagine they have bought the rights off the Tolkien estate to be able to name the pub 'The Hobbit' (even if it was 20yrs ago).
They are more then within their right to make the pub rename (however harsh it maybe), I'm surprised it hasn't come about sooner actually.[/p][/quote]I first started going to this pub while I was doing my apprenticeship (88-92). I can't remember it the time whether they said it was named in Tolkien's (died 1973) memory or simply because they liked the books; however as Tolkien had lived in, and died, the Bournemouth area they had written to the Tolkien estate to ask permission to use the name. They certainly hadn't bought the rights to use the name; however I believe they were told that due to the locality of Tolkien's home, they would allow the name to be used.
I appreciate that I doubt it would have covered the use of the movie images for promotion etc.; however if the use of the name was allowed, provided the promotional usage stops, there would be no reason for the pub not to keep it's name.aberis
ToastyTea wrote…
CEH393 wrote…
Chipster wrote…
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
Seriously, get out more and get a ****ing life you pompous tool!
Well put Chipster, what a complete fool this man is! I wonder how long it took him to find out all of his info on google and wiki?
How is he a fool, he's right. When this story came about I did think I can't imagine they have bought the rights off the Tolkien estate to be able to name the pub 'The Hobbit' (even if it was 20yrs ago). They are more then within their right to make the pub rename (however harsh it maybe), I'm surprised it hasn't come about sooner actually.
I first started going to this pub while I was doing my apprenticeship (88-92). I can't remember it the time whether they said it was named in Tolkien's (died 1973) memory or simply because they liked the books; however as Tolkien had lived in, and died, the Bournemouth area they had written to the Tolkien estate to ask permission to use the name. They certainly hadn't bought the rights to use the name; however I believe they were told that due to the locality of Tolkien's home, they would allow the name to be used. I appreciate that I doubt it would have covered the use of the movie images for promotion etc.; however if the use of the name was allowed, provided the promotional usage stops, there would be no reason for the pub not to keep it's name.
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TheTruthIknow says...9:57am Tue 13 Mar 12
YankeeDoodle wrote…
They should see how the Hungry Hobbit sandwich shop in Birmingham got to keep its name when faced with the same legal team. LOL, its across the way from The Shire greenbelt if you want to find it.
They were just up the road from where JRR Tolkien grew up....and they weren't selling themed drinks, t-shirts etc
[quote][p][bold]YankeeDoodle[/bold] wrote:
They should see how the Hungry Hobbit sandwich shop in Birmingham got to keep its name when faced with the same legal team. LOL, its across the way from The Shire greenbelt if you want to find it.[/p][/quote]They were just up the road from where JRR Tolkien grew up....and they weren't selling themed drinks, t-shirts etcTheTruthIknow
YankeeDoodle wrote…
They should see how the Hungry Hobbit sandwich shop in Birmingham got to keep its name when faced with the same legal team. LOL, its across the way from The Shire greenbelt if you want to find it.
They were just up the road from where JRR Tolkien grew up....and they weren't selling themed drinks, t-shirts etc
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pushamara says...10:10am Tue 13 Mar 12
Oh, just close it and build some flats............... .....
Oh, just close it and build some flats...............
.....pushamara
Oh, just close it and build some flats............... .....
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Icklelady says...10:11am Tue 13 Mar 12
TheTruthIknow wrote…
YankeeDoodle wrote…
They should see how the Hungry Hobbit sandwich shop in Birmingham got to keep its name when faced with the same legal team. LOL, its across the way from The Shire greenbelt if you want to find it.
They were just up the road from where JRR Tolkien grew up....and they weren't selling themed drinks, t-shirts etc
Then just rename drinks and stop the shirt selling?
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthIknow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]YankeeDoodle[/bold] wrote:
They should see how the Hungry Hobbit sandwich shop in Birmingham got to keep its name when faced with the same legal team. LOL, its across the way from The Shire greenbelt if you want to find it.[/p][/quote]They were just up the road from where JRR Tolkien grew up....and they weren't selling themed drinks, t-shirts etc[/p][/quote]Then just rename drinks and stop the shirt selling?Icklelady
TheTruthIknow wrote…
YankeeDoodle wrote…
They should see how the Hungry Hobbit sandwich shop in Birmingham got to keep its name when faced with the same legal team. LOL, its across the way from The Shire greenbelt if you want to find it.
They were just up the road from where JRR Tolkien grew up....and they weren't selling themed drinks, t-shirts etc
Then just rename drinks and stop the shirt selling?
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Dan Kerins says...10:13am Tue 13 Mar 12
abees wrote…
Don't worry Echo, you're only FOUR days behind on this one: http://sotontab.co.u k/news/2012/03/09/ho bbit-under-siege-fro m-tolkiens-orc-lawye rs/
It takes time to try and get hold of legal firms in America, which we are required to do so to give them a right of reply, I'm afraid. It is not just a case of sticking up scant information without having to carry out a number of checks and balances first, which we are legally required to do.
[quote][p][bold]abees[/bold] wrote:
Don't worry Echo, you're only FOUR days behind on this one:
http://sotontab.co.u
k/news/2012/03/09/ho
bbit-under-siege-fro
m-tolkiens-orc-lawye
rs/[/p][/quote]It takes time to try and get hold of legal firms in America, which we are required to do so to give them a right of reply, I'm afraid.
It is not just a case of sticking up scant information without having to carry out a number of checks and balances first, which we are legally required to do.Dan Kerins
abees wrote…
Don't worry Echo, you're only FOUR days behind on this one: http://sotontab.co.u k/news/2012/03/09/ho bbit-under-siege-fro m-tolkiens-orc-lawye rs/
It takes time to try and get hold of legal firms in America, which we are required to do so to give them a right of reply, I'm afraid. It is not just a case of sticking up scant information without having to carry out a number of checks and balances first, which we are legally required to do.
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Shoong says...10:23am Tue 13 Mar 12
I'm flabbergasted by comments like 'it was there before the films'. The book was written last century... some of you need some culture down you.
I'm flabbergasted by comments like 'it was there before the films'.
The book was written last century... some of you need some culture down you.Shoong
I'm flabbergasted by comments like 'it was there before the films'. The book was written last century... some of you need some culture down you.
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southy says...10:26am Tue 13 Mar 12
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hobbyist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hobbyist
', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary.
JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.southy
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hobbyist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
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allsaintsnocurves says...10:38am Tue 13 Mar 12
There's a pub in the Philippenes in Manila called 'The Hobbit'...and was even named specifically after the book and even has midgets working in there as bar staff! Maybe the Hobbit in Southampton should get in touch with them and fight it together. I'm sure there are others.
There's a pub in the Philippenes in Manila called 'The Hobbit'...and was even named specifically after the book and even has midgets working in there as bar staff! Maybe the Hobbit in Southampton should get in touch with them and fight it together. I'm sure there are others.allsaintsnocurves
There's a pub in the Philippenes in Manila called 'The Hobbit'...and was even named specifically after the book and even has midgets working in there as bar staff! Maybe the Hobbit in Southampton should get in touch with them and fight it together. I'm sure there are others.
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Willy+ says...10:43am Tue 13 Mar 12
what harm is this charming pub and music house doing
what harm is this charming pub and music house doingWilly+
what harm is this charming pub and music house doing
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aberis says...10:43am Tue 13 Mar 12
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
[quote][p][bold]Icklelady[/bold] wrote:
This is just greed.
The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years.
Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around?
Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.[/p][/quote]The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name.
The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.aberis
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
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TheTruthIknow says...10:45am Tue 13 Mar 12
allsaintsnocurves wrote…
There's a pub in the Philippenes in Manila called 'The Hobbit'...and was even named specifically after the book and even has midgets working in there as bar staff! Maybe the Hobbit in Southampton should get in touch with them and fight it together. I'm sure there are others.
It's actually called Hobbit House and it does indeed employ 'little people' but it does not make money from selling merchandise with images/names from the original book (unlike our own Hobbit)
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote:
There's a pub in the Philippenes in Manila called 'The Hobbit'...and was even named specifically after the book and even has midgets working in there as bar staff! Maybe the Hobbit in Southampton should get in touch with them and fight it together. I'm sure there are others.[/p][/quote]It's actually called Hobbit House and it does indeed employ 'little people' but it does not make money from selling merchandise with images/names from the original book (unlike our own Hobbit)TheTruthIknow
allsaintsnocurves wrote…
There's a pub in the Philippenes in Manila called 'The Hobbit'...and was even named specifically after the book and even has midgets working in there as bar staff! Maybe the Hobbit in Southampton should get in touch with them and fight it together. I'm sure there are others.
It's actually called Hobbit House and it does indeed employ 'little people' but it does not make money from selling merchandise with images/names from the original book (unlike our own Hobbit)
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Bally_Hoo says...10:49am Tue 13 Mar 12
Sounds like a publicity stunt to me. Drum a bit of outrage and encourage more punters.
Sounds like a publicity stunt to me. Drum a bit of outrage and encourage more punters.Bally_Hoo
Sounds like a publicity stunt to me. Drum a bit of outrage and encourage more punters.
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Shoong says...10:55am Tue 13 Mar 12
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob
byist
', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary.
JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.[/p][/quote]That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign.
I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.Shoong
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
Score: 0
southy says...11:07am Tue 13 Mar 12
aberis wrote…
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Icklelady[/bold] wrote:
This is just greed.
The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years.
Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around?
Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.[/p][/quote]The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name.
The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.[/p][/quote]More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.southy
aberis wrote…
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.
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redarmy5 says...11:09am Tue 13 Mar 12
Stupid question but how did the yanks know about this pub considering its been the hobbit for bloody years.
Stupid question but how did the yanks know about this pub considering its been the hobbit for bloody years.redarmy5
Stupid question but how did the yanks know about this pub considering its been the hobbit for bloody years.
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acid drop says...11:12am Tue 13 Mar 12
The American compensation culture strikes again.
The American compensation culture strikes again.acid drop
The American compensation culture strikes again.
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mrtein says...11:13am Tue 13 Mar 12
I recall some years back there was a charity band in Romsey that used to parade at the carnival and the like dressed in winnie the pooh costumes while playing their instruments. low and behold Disney found out and came down on them like a ton of bricks. Legally, if you dont protect your copy right in every case you relinquish your rights to it. The rights to Lord of the rings are so lucrative that aint gonna happen. Much better for them to use the publicity to fond a new name and get some serious free advertising.
I recall some years back there was a charity band in Romsey that used to parade at the carnival and the like dressed in winnie the pooh costumes while playing their instruments. low and behold Disney found out and came down on them like a ton of bricks. Legally, if you dont protect your copy right in every case you relinquish your rights to it. The rights to Lord of the rings are so lucrative that aint gonna happen. Much better for them to use the publicity to fond a new name and get some serious free advertising.mrtein
I recall some years back there was a charity band in Romsey that used to parade at the carnival and the like dressed in winnie the pooh costumes while playing their instruments. low and behold Disney found out and came down on them like a ton of bricks. Legally, if you dont protect your copy right in every case you relinquish your rights to it. The rights to Lord of the rings are so lucrative that aint gonna happen. Much better for them to use the publicity to fond a new name and get some serious free advertising.
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cyber_fug says...11:14am Tue 13 Mar 12
OMG ! I agree with Southy.... I am glad to see Dan Kerrins posting as I was worried he'd been arrested for hacking FMG's phone :O)
OMG ! I agree with Southy....
I am glad to see Dan Kerrins posting as I was worried he'd been arrested for hacking FMG's phone :O)cyber_fug
OMG ! I agree with Southy.... I am glad to see Dan Kerrins posting as I was worried he'd been arrested for hacking FMG's phone :O)
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southy says...11:14am Tue 13 Mar 12
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted. So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob
byist
', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary.
JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.[/p][/quote]That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign.
I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.[/p][/quote]The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted.
So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.southy
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted. So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.
Score: 0
AM says...11:19am Tue 13 Mar 12
It may interest the Landlady of The Hobbit to know that the term hobbit was first mentioned in a list of supernatural beings by the folklorist Michael Aislabie Denham in 1895. I quote "nixies, jinny-burnt-tails,du dmen,hell-hounds,dop ple-gangers,bogglebo es,bogies,redmen,por tunes,grants and hobbits...' J.R.R. Tolkien most probably took the word hobbit from this list and therefore it is a possibility that the term does not belong to the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien especially as Tolkien was born in 1892 and would only have been 3 years old when the list was published. Stand your ground the Americans are having far too much say in Great Britain.
It may interest the Landlady of The Hobbit to know that the term hobbit was first mentioned in a list of supernatural beings by the folklorist Michael Aislabie Denham in 1895. I quote "nixies, jinny-burnt-tails,du
dmen,hell-hounds,dop
ple-gangers,bogglebo
es,bogies,redmen,por
tunes,grants and hobbits...'
J.R.R. Tolkien most probably took the word hobbit from this list and therefore it is a possibility that the term does not belong to the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien especially as Tolkien was born in 1892 and would only have been 3 years old when the list was published.
Stand your ground the Americans are having far too much say in Great Britain.AM
It may interest the Landlady of The Hobbit to know that the term hobbit was first mentioned in a list of supernatural beings by the folklorist Michael Aislabie Denham in 1895. I quote "nixies, jinny-burnt-tails,du dmen,hell-hounds,dop ple-gangers,bogglebo es,bogies,redmen,por tunes,grants and hobbits...' J.R.R. Tolkien most probably took the word hobbit from this list and therefore it is a possibility that the term does not belong to the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien especially as Tolkien was born in 1892 and would only have been 3 years old when the list was published. Stand your ground the Americans are having far too much say in Great Britain.
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AM says...11:19am Tue 13 Mar 12
It may interest the Landlady of The Hobbit to know that the term hobbit was first mentioned in a list of supernatural beings by the folklorist Michael Aislabie Denham in 1895. I quote "nixies, jinny-burnt-tails,du dmen,hell-hounds,dop ple-gangers,bogglebo es,bogies,redmen,por tunes,grants and hobbits...' J.R.R. Tolkien most probably took the word hobbit from this list and therefore it is a possibility that the term does not belong to the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien especially as Tolkien was born in 1892 and would only have been 3 years old when the list was published. Stand your ground the Americans are having far too much say in Great Britain.
It may interest the Landlady of The Hobbit to know that the term hobbit was first mentioned in a list of supernatural beings by the folklorist Michael Aislabie Denham in 1895. I quote "nixies, jinny-burnt-tails,du
dmen,hell-hounds,dop
ple-gangers,bogglebo
es,bogies,redmen,por
tunes,grants and hobbits...'
J.R.R. Tolkien most probably took the word hobbit from this list and therefore it is a possibility that the term does not belong to the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien especially as Tolkien was born in 1892 and would only have been 3 years old when the list was published.
Stand your ground the Americans are having far too much say in Great Britain.AM
It may interest the Landlady of The Hobbit to know that the term hobbit was first mentioned in a list of supernatural beings by the folklorist Michael Aislabie Denham in 1895. I quote "nixies, jinny-burnt-tails,du dmen,hell-hounds,dop ple-gangers,bogglebo es,bogies,redmen,por tunes,grants and hobbits...' J.R.R. Tolkien most probably took the word hobbit from this list and therefore it is a possibility that the term does not belong to the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien especially as Tolkien was born in 1892 and would only have been 3 years old when the list was published. Stand your ground the Americans are having far too much say in Great Britain.
Score: 0
southy says...11:23am Tue 13 Mar 12
Heres another point also, Saul Zaentz Company has not put a copy right on design on the Word Hobbit. Like the word Kelloggs it don't have a copy right on the word but it do have a copy right on the design of the word.
Heres another point also, Saul Zaentz Company has not put a copy right on design on the Word Hobbit. Like the word Kelloggs it don't have a copy right on the word but it do have a copy right on the design of the word.southy
Heres another point also, Saul Zaentz Company has not put a copy right on design on the Word Hobbit. Like the word Kelloggs it don't have a copy right on the word but it do have a copy right on the design of the word.
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The Music Man says...11:27am Tue 13 Mar 12
southy wrote…
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted. So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.
The fact remains that The Hobbit have been using characters/names from the book to make money by selling merch/drinks.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob
byist
', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary.
JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.[/p][/quote]That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign.
I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.[/p][/quote]The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted.
So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.[/p][/quote]The fact remains that The Hobbit have been using characters/names from the book to make money by selling merch/drinks.The Music Man
southy wrote…
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted. So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.
The fact remains that The Hobbit have been using characters/names from the book to make money by selling merch/drinks.
Score: 0
bigfella777 says...11:27am Tue 13 Mar 12
SpiderMeringue wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.
Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.
[quote][p][bold]SpiderMeringue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.[/p][/quote]Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.[/p][/quote]Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.bigfella777
SpiderMeringue wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.
Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.
Score: 0
Shoong says...11:31am Tue 13 Mar 12
southy wrote…
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted. So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.
It's THE Hobbit. As in the title of a book they used. It's nothing to do with 'Old English', they've been ripping off the title of a book. End of!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob
byist
', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary.
JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.[/p][/quote]That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign.
I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.[/p][/quote]The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted.
So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.[/p][/quote]It's THE Hobbit.
As in the title of a book they used.
It's nothing to do with 'Old English', they've been ripping off the title of a book. End of!Shoong
southy wrote…
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted. So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.
It's THE Hobbit. As in the title of a book they used. It's nothing to do with 'Old English', they've been ripping off the title of a book. End of!
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southy says...11:35am Tue 13 Mar 12
AM wrote…
It may interest the Landlady of The Hobbit to know that the term hobbit was first mentioned in a list of supernatural beings by the folklorist Michael Aislabie Denham in 1895. I quote "nixies, jinny-burnt-tails,du dmen,hell-hounds,dop ple-gangers,bogglebo es,bogies,redmen,por tunes,grants and hobbits...' J.R.R. Tolkien most probably took the word hobbit from this list and therefore it is a possibility that the term does not belong to the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien especially as Tolkien was born in 1892 and would only have been 3 years old when the list was published. Stand your ground the Americans are having far too much say in Great Britain.
Now go back to Shakespeare, You find the word Hobbit was use here to discribe a prop that was used on stage, (modern day term for this prop is hobby-horse) but the word go's back even earlier, it was a traveling Trades man who use to walk to towns and villages ect with donkey or pony carrying his tools of his trade.
[quote][p][bold]AM[/bold] wrote:
It may interest the Landlady of The Hobbit to know that the term hobbit was first mentioned in a list of supernatural beings by the folklorist Michael Aislabie Denham in 1895. I quote "nixies, jinny-burnt-tails,du
dmen,hell-hounds,dop
ple-gangers,bogglebo
es,bogies,redmen,por
tunes,grants and hobbits...'
J.R.R. Tolkien most probably took the word hobbit from this list and therefore it is a possibility that the term does not belong to the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien especially as Tolkien was born in 1892 and would only have been 3 years old when the list was published.
Stand your ground the Americans are having far too much say in Great Britain.[/p][/quote]Now go back to Shakespeare, You find the word Hobbit was use here to discribe a prop that was used on stage, (modern day term for this prop is hobby-horse) but the word go's back even earlier, it was a traveling Trades man who use to walk to towns and villages ect with donkey or pony carrying his tools of his trade.southy
AM wrote…
It may interest the Landlady of The Hobbit to know that the term hobbit was first mentioned in a list of supernatural beings by the folklorist Michael Aislabie Denham in 1895. I quote "nixies, jinny-burnt-tails,du dmen,hell-hounds,dop ple-gangers,bogglebo es,bogies,redmen,por tunes,grants and hobbits...' J.R.R. Tolkien most probably took the word hobbit from this list and therefore it is a possibility that the term does not belong to the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien especially as Tolkien was born in 1892 and would only have been 3 years old when the list was published. Stand your ground the Americans are having far too much say in Great Britain.
Now go back to Shakespeare, You find the word Hobbit was use here to discribe a prop that was used on stage, (modern day term for this prop is hobby-horse) but the word go's back even earlier, it was a traveling Trades man who use to walk to towns and villages ect with donkey or pony carrying his tools of his trade.
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southy says...11:45am Tue 13 Mar 12
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted. So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.
It's THE Hobbit. As in the title of a book they used. It's nothing to do with 'Old English', they've been ripping off the title of a book. End of!
Its not the end off meaning of the word "The" (used, especially before a noun, with a specifying or particularizing effect, as opposed to the indefinite or generalizing force of the indefinite article a or an ) Pubs names mostlly begin with the word "The, THE" The Ship Inn, THE SAINTS and again the word The and THE can not be copy righted only the design of the Letters in the word and it must be an idividual design that as never been used before, Like Kellogg's Cornflakes the copy right is NOT THE WORD but the design of the word.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob
byist
', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary.
JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.[/p][/quote]That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign.
I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.[/p][/quote]The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted.
So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.[/p][/quote]It's THE Hobbit.
As in the title of a book they used.
It's nothing to do with 'Old English', they've been ripping off the title of a book. End of![/p][/quote]Its not the end off meaning of the word "The" (used, especially before a noun, with a specifying or particularizing effect, as opposed to the indefinite or generalizing force of the indefinite article a or an )
Pubs names mostlly begin with the word "The, THE" The Ship Inn, THE SAINTS and again the word The and THE can not be copy righted only the design of the Letters in the word and it must be an idividual design that as never been used before, Like Kellogg's Cornflakes the copy right is NOT THE WORD but the design of the word.southy
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted. So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.
It's THE Hobbit. As in the title of a book they used. It's nothing to do with 'Old English', they've been ripping off the title of a book. End of!
Its not the end off meaning of the word "The" (used, especially before a noun, with a specifying or particularizing effect, as opposed to the indefinite or generalizing force of the indefinite article a or an ) Pubs names mostlly begin with the word "The, THE" The Ship Inn, THE SAINTS and again the word The and THE can not be copy righted only the design of the Letters in the word and it must be an idividual design that as never been used before, Like Kellogg's Cornflakes the copy right is NOT THE WORD but the design of the word.
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AM says...11:46am Tue 13 Mar 12
Absolutely right. It's a very old country term handed down through the generations verbally. Not only that it will mean slightly different things in different regions of Britain. In Shakespeare it's an hobby-horse, to Denham a supernatural being. It would be interesting to hear other meanings. What is right though is that the word cannot be owned by the film company or by the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien as it existed before the book.
Absolutely right. It's a very old country term handed down through the generations verbally. Not only that it will mean slightly different things in different regions of Britain. In Shakespeare it's an hobby-horse, to Denham a supernatural being. It would be interesting to hear other meanings. What is right though is that the word cannot be owned by the film company or by the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien as it existed before the book.AM
Absolutely right. It's a very old country term handed down through the generations verbally. Not only that it will mean slightly different things in different regions of Britain. In Shakespeare it's an hobby-horse, to Denham a supernatural being. It would be interesting to hear other meanings. What is right though is that the word cannot be owned by the film company or by the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien as it existed before the book.
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southy says...11:50am Tue 13 Mar 12
The Music Man wrote…
southy wrote…
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted. So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.
The fact remains that The Hobbit have been using characters/names from the book to make money by selling merch/drinks.
Then you come back to the problem that they have been doing so way before Saul Zaentz Company ever registered it as copy rights, and they still will have massive problems because Tolkien used real names of people, and real names off places and again comes to that problem can not be copy righted
[quote][p][bold]The Music Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob
byist
', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary.
JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.[/p][/quote]That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign.
I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.[/p][/quote]The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted.
So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.[/p][/quote]The fact remains that The Hobbit have been using characters/names from the book to make money by selling merch/drinks.[/p][/quote]Then you come back to the problem that they have been doing so way before Saul Zaentz Company ever registered it as copy rights, and they still will have massive problems because Tolkien used real names of people, and real names off places and again comes to that problem can not be copy rightedsouthy
The Music Man wrote…
southy wrote…
Shoong wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
That's irrelevant though isn't it? It's not called the 'Hobbist' or 'Hobbism', it's called 'The Hobbit' & so blatant that they even have characters from the books on the pub sign. I'm afraid it's the pub owners on the sticky ground.
The fact remains that a Hobbit is an old english word and can not legally be copy righted. So its the Saul Zaentz Company on Sticky ground, and has its been pointed out they can not make legal claims on any thing that happen before the date they Registered the Copy right.
The fact remains that The Hobbit have been using characters/names from the book to make money by selling merch/drinks.
Then you come back to the problem that they have been doing so way before Saul Zaentz Company ever registered it as copy rights, and they still will have massive problems because Tolkien used real names of people, and real names off places and again comes to that problem can not be copy righted
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mack chinnon says...11:54am Tue 13 Mar 12
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
Turn it into a Hooters.
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote:
All theme pubs should be demolished.
Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe.
The only sign on the door should be;
NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS)
NO CHILDREN
NO DOGS
NO MOBILE PHONES[/p][/quote]Turn it into a Hooters.mack chinnon
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
Turn it into a Hooters.
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teamgreen says...12:01pm Tue 13 Mar 12
mack chinnon wrote…
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
Turn it into a Hooters.
yes turn it into a hooters bar please
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES[/p][/quote]Turn it into a Hooters.[/p][/quote]yes turn it into a hooters bar pleaseteamgreen
mack chinnon wrote…
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
Turn it into a Hooters.
yes turn it into a hooters bar please
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voiceinthecrowd says...12:05pm Tue 13 Mar 12
mack chinnon wrote…
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
Turn it into a Hooters.
Get a life. I can only assume you want all pubs to be heavy drinking places where people can get smashed and then the police have to foot the bill cleaning the streets at night of drunks. There is nothing wrong with theme nights but I think the point is missed the PUB sells memorablia for a PROFIT. Thats why no doubt they came to the attention of the Yanks.
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote:
All theme pubs should be demolished.
Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe.
The only sign on the door should be;
NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS)
NO CHILDREN
NO DOGS
NO MOBILE PHONES[/p][/quote]Turn it into a Hooters.[/p][/quote]Get a life. I can only assume you want all pubs to be heavy drinking places where people can get smashed and then the police have to foot the bill cleaning the streets at night of drunks.
There is nothing wrong with theme nights but I think the point is missed the PUB sells memorablia for a PROFIT. Thats why no doubt they came to the attention of the Yanks.voiceinthecrowd
mack chinnon wrote…
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
Turn it into a Hooters.
Get a life. I can only assume you want all pubs to be heavy drinking places where people can get smashed and then the police have to foot the bill cleaning the streets at night of drunks. There is nothing wrong with theme nights but I think the point is missed the PUB sells memorablia for a PROFIT. Thats why no doubt they came to the attention of the Yanks.
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southy says...12:09pm Tue 13 Mar 12
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.southy
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.
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Dasal says...12:09pm Tue 13 Mar 12
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
No response yet, but thats VERY thin ice you're on !!! Touch of the "Victor Meldrews" ...... comments HAVE to come from "known" sources soon ........fmg maybe..............
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote:
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES[/p][/quote]No response yet, but thats VERY thin ice you're on !!!
Touch of the "Victor Meldrews" ......
comments HAVE to come from "known" sources soon ........fmg maybe..............Dasal
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
No response yet, but thats VERY thin ice you're on !!! Touch of the "Victor Meldrews" ...... comments HAVE to come from "known" sources soon ........fmg maybe..............
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Pixiienot says...12:19pm Tue 13 Mar 12
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
What an obnoxious human being, Get back in your boxers and watch some more Jeremy Kyle.
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote:
All theme pubs should be demolished.
Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe.
The only sign on the door should be;
NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS)
NO CHILDREN
NO DOGS
NO MOBILE PHONES[/p][/quote]What an obnoxious human being, Get back in your boxers and watch some more Jeremy Kyle.Pixiienot
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
What an obnoxious human being, Get back in your boxers and watch some more Jeremy Kyle.
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voiceinthecrowd says...12:21pm Tue 13 Mar 12
southy wrote…
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.
You are missing the point you can copyright a name such as Hobbit if you intend to make it a film title. I wonder if the Pub registered the name with say Companies House. Most businesses don't I understand It cost the company making the film millions and obviously they want to protect their theme so to speak. Not all films make it and money is lost. If you want films you need to think
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.[/p][/quote]You are missing the point you can copyright a name such as Hobbit if you intend to make it a film title.
I wonder if the Pub registered the name with say Companies House.
Most businesses don't I understand
It cost the company making the film millions and obviously they want to protect their theme so to speak.
Not all films make it and money is lost.
If you want films you need to thinkvoiceinthecrowd
southy wrote…
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.
You are missing the point you can copyright a name such as Hobbit if you intend to make it a film title. I wonder if the Pub registered the name with say Companies House. Most businesses don't I understand It cost the company making the film millions and obviously they want to protect their theme so to speak. Not all films make it and money is lost. If you want films you need to think
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Paramjit Bahia says...12:26pm Tue 13 Mar 12
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
I am no lawyer but Southy seems to have a very valid point . Sending threatening notices is part of so called American way of life. They also think they can bully the world into submission, and our governments seem to roll over for them as if nation that was once British colony is now its master . This mind set should stop. People should get behind this small business in Southampton, because if properly exercised people power could win over arrogance and mega wealth . Why our political class, which is often in gung ho mode for bullying weak nations always fails to stand up to USA’s government and its big companies? . Big businesses do not like bad publicity, it hurts their profits. So a well organised campaign by supporters of underdog pub in Southampton against powerful American enterprise, if organise properly, could eventually find a reasonable solution.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob
byist
', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary.
JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.[/p][/quote]I am no lawyer but Southy seems to have a very valid point
.
Sending threatening notices is part of so called American way of life. They also think they can bully the world into submission, and our governments seem to roll over for them as if nation that was once British colony is now its master
.
This mind set should stop. People should get behind this small business in Southampton, because if properly exercised people power could win over arrogance and mega wealth
.
Why our political class, which is often in gung ho mode for bullying weak nations always fails to stand up to USA’s government and its big companies?
.
Big businesses do not like bad publicity, it hurts their profits. So a well organised campaign by supporters of underdog pub in Southampton against powerful American enterprise, if organise properly, could eventually find a reasonable solution.Paramjit Bahia
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
I am no lawyer but Southy seems to have a very valid point . Sending threatening notices is part of so called American way of life. They also think they can bully the world into submission, and our governments seem to roll over for them as if nation that was once British colony is now its master . This mind set should stop. People should get behind this small business in Southampton, because if properly exercised people power could win over arrogance and mega wealth . Why our political class, which is often in gung ho mode for bullying weak nations always fails to stand up to USA’s government and its big companies? . Big businesses do not like bad publicity, it hurts their profits. So a well organised campaign by supporters of underdog pub in Southampton against powerful American enterprise, if organise properly, could eventually find a reasonable solution.
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Paramjit Bahia says...12:28pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Pixiienot wrote…
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
What an obnoxious human being, Get back in your boxers and watch some more Jeremy Kyle.
Nice reply.
[quote][p][bold]Pixiienot[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote:
All theme pubs should be demolished.
Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe.
The only sign on the door should be;
NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS)
NO CHILDREN
NO DOGS
NO MOBILE PHONES[/p][/quote]What an obnoxious human being, Get back in your boxers and watch some more Jeremy Kyle.[/p][/quote]Nice reply.Paramjit Bahia
Pixiienot wrote…
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
What an obnoxious human being, Get back in your boxers and watch some more Jeremy Kyle.
Nice reply.
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fedupofspongers says...12:38pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Close it down... It's full of drunken junkie students anyway... Where do they get off thinking they can STEAL a name that is copywritten and make a business out of it... It's a dive anyway and i hope the firm take a percentage of profits since under that name...
Close it down... It's full of drunken junkie students anyway...
Where do they get off thinking they can STEAL a name that is copywritten and make a business out of it...
It's a dive anyway and i hope the firm take a percentage of profits since under that name...fedupofspongers
Close it down... It's full of drunken junkie students anyway... Where do they get off thinking they can STEAL a name that is copywritten and make a business out of it... It's a dive anyway and i hope the firm take a percentage of profits since under that name...
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voiceinthecrowd says...12:41pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Paramjit Bahia wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
I am no lawyer but Southy seems to have a very valid point . Sending threatening notices is part of so called American way of life. They also think they can bully the world into submission, and our governments seem to roll over for them as if nation that was once British colony is now its master . This mind set should stop. People should get behind this small business in Southampton, because if properly exercised people power could win over arrogance and mega wealth . Why our political class, which is often in gung ho mode for bullying weak nations always fails to stand up to USA’s government and its big companies? . Big businesses do not like bad publicity, it hurts their profits. So a well organised campaign by supporters of underdog pub in Southampton against powerful American enterprise, if organise properly, could eventually find a reasonable solution.
Its LETS BASH A YANK DAY back with a flurry. If this pub gets away with it then NO writer will be safe over their work being stolen. or No business safe with its special name.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob
byist
', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary.
JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.[/p][/quote]I am no lawyer but Southy seems to have a very valid point
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Sending threatening notices is part of so called American way of life. They also think they can bully the world into submission, and our governments seem to roll over for them as if nation that was once British colony is now its master
.
This mind set should stop. People should get behind this small business in Southampton, because if properly exercised people power could win over arrogance and mega wealth
.
Why our political class, which is often in gung ho mode for bullying weak nations always fails to stand up to USA’s government and its big companies?
.
Big businesses do not like bad publicity, it hurts their profits. So a well organised campaign by supporters of underdog pub in Southampton against powerful American enterprise, if organise properly, could eventually find a reasonable solution.[/p][/quote]Its LETS BASH A YANK DAY back with a flurry.
If this pub gets away with it then NO writer will be safe over their work being stolen.
or No business safe with its special name.voiceinthecrowd
Paramjit Bahia wrote…
southy wrote…
Well Well Well, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground the word Hobbit or Hobit is and old English word that stop being used in the 1800's, its short for hobbitry', "'Hobbist','hob byist ', 'Hobbism". You will need to return to books to find that out, on line you have the modern term for the word Hobbit dating to after the Book was writen LotR, There no copy rights to words that end up in a Dictionary. JRR Tolkien if you do your research on this man you will find he used real place names, real people names, a lot of the place names come from Somerset and Devonshire where Tolkien spent most of his time when writing.
I am no lawyer but Southy seems to have a very valid point . Sending threatening notices is part of so called American way of life. They also think they can bully the world into submission, and our governments seem to roll over for them as if nation that was once British colony is now its master . This mind set should stop. People should get behind this small business in Southampton, because if properly exercised people power could win over arrogance and mega wealth . Why our political class, which is often in gung ho mode for bullying weak nations always fails to stand up to USA’s government and its big companies? . Big businesses do not like bad publicity, it hurts their profits. So a well organised campaign by supporters of underdog pub in Southampton against powerful American enterprise, if organise properly, could eventually find a reasonable solution.
Its LETS BASH A YANK DAY back with a flurry. If this pub gets away with it then NO writer will be safe over their work being stolen. or No business safe with its special name.
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Dave Juson says...12:41pm Tue 13 Mar 12
The action is petty and pointless. There might have been some case if the pub had changed its name following Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy, or when the name was changed to “The Hobbit” from the Portswood Hotel 20-odd years ago, – Saul Zaentz produced Ralph Bakshi’s disappointing 1978 film of Lord of The Rings – but it is now an established business, which enshrines literary characters, not a film. . It’s worth adding that the Saul Zaentz Company are currently publicising a marketing operation under the title of http://www.middleear th.com/about.html which gives every appearance of being a somewhat cynical and aggressive cash-in of their rights over J.R Tolkien’s estate. One might suppose that they see the popular hostelry as an unwelcome distraction from their Americanisation of Middle Earth. . Having drunk in some of Tolkien’s favourite boozers in Oxford, I think he’d find our Hobbit a bit noisy and youth orientated, but its a good boozer and I’m pretty certain he’d side with our Bevois Valley licensees over a bunch of Los Angeles based spivs.
The action is petty and pointless. There might have been some case if the pub had changed its name following Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy, or when the name was changed to “The Hobbit” from the Portswood Hotel 20-odd years ago, – Saul Zaentz produced Ralph Bakshi’s disappointing 1978 film of Lord of The Rings – but it is now an established business, which enshrines literary characters, not a film.
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It’s worth adding that the Saul Zaentz Company are currently publicising a marketing operation under the title of http://www.middleear
th.com/about.html which gives every appearance of being a somewhat cynical and aggressive cash-in of their rights over J.R Tolkien’s estate. One might suppose that they see the popular hostelry as an unwelcome distraction from their Americanisation of Middle Earth.
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Having drunk in some of Tolkien’s favourite boozers in Oxford, I think he’d find our Hobbit a bit noisy and youth orientated, but its a good boozer and I’m pretty certain he’d side with our Bevois Valley licensees over a bunch of Los Angeles based spivs.Dave Juson
The action is petty and pointless. There might have been some case if the pub had changed its name following Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy, or when the name was changed to “The Hobbit” from the Portswood Hotel 20-odd years ago, – Saul Zaentz produced Ralph Bakshi’s disappointing 1978 film of Lord of The Rings – but it is now an established business, which enshrines literary characters, not a film. . It’s worth adding that the Saul Zaentz Company are currently publicising a marketing operation under the title of http://www.middleear th.com/about.html which gives every appearance of being a somewhat cynical and aggressive cash-in of their rights over J.R Tolkien’s estate. One might suppose that they see the popular hostelry as an unwelcome distraction from their Americanisation of Middle Earth. . Having drunk in some of Tolkien’s favourite boozers in Oxford, I think he’d find our Hobbit a bit noisy and youth orientated, but its a good boozer and I’m pretty certain he’d side with our Bevois Valley licensees over a bunch of Los Angeles based spivs.
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southy says...12:43pm Tue 13 Mar 12
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
southy wrote…
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.
You are missing the point you can copyright a name such as Hobbit if you intend to make it a film title. I wonder if the Pub registered the name with say Companies House. Most businesses don't I understand It cost the company making the film millions and obviously they want to protect their theme so to speak. Not all films make it and money is lost. If you want films you need to think
No you can not you can only copy right the Design of the word if its a totally new design. Kelloggs is a prefect example, the word not copy right but the design is. And the film used a design in letters that has all ready been used before copy right laws came into being.
[quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.[/p][/quote]You are missing the point you can copyright a name such as Hobbit if you intend to make it a film title.
I wonder if the Pub registered the name with say Companies House.
Most businesses don't I understand
It cost the company making the film millions and obviously they want to protect their theme so to speak.
Not all films make it and money is lost.
If you want films you need to think[/p][/quote]No you can not you can only copy right the Design of the word if its a totally new design.
Kelloggs is a prefect example, the word not copy right but the design is.
And the film used a design in letters that has all ready been used before copy right laws came into being.southy
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
southy wrote…
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.
You are missing the point you can copyright a name such as Hobbit if you intend to make it a film title. I wonder if the Pub registered the name with say Companies House. Most businesses don't I understand It cost the company making the film millions and obviously they want to protect their theme so to speak. Not all films make it and money is lost. If you want films you need to think
No you can not you can only copy right the Design of the word if its a totally new design. Kelloggs is a prefect example, the word not copy right but the design is. And the film used a design in letters that has all ready been used before copy right laws came into being.
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AM says...12:51pm Tue 13 Mar 12
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other.
The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it.
I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.AM
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
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stuartjebbitt says...12:54pm Tue 13 Mar 12
as if the takings from a pub is seriously going to threaten a multi-million dollar film franchise! There's such a thing as live and let live and being magnanimous enough not to have to crush the little guy. I suspect Tolkein himself would be in the side of the little guy against the behemoth of corporate greed
as if the takings from a pub is seriously going to threaten a multi-million dollar film franchise! There's such a thing as live and let live and being magnanimous enough not to have to crush the little guy. I suspect Tolkein himself would be in the side of the little guy against the behemoth of corporate greedstuartjebbitt
as if the takings from a pub is seriously going to threaten a multi-million dollar film franchise! There's such a thing as live and let live and being magnanimous enough not to have to crush the little guy. I suspect Tolkein himself would be in the side of the little guy against the behemoth of corporate greed
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jase71 says...1:01pm Tue 13 Mar 12
It doesn't matter where the word Hobbit originates, it doesn't matter how long the place has been called " The Hobbit", what matters is the pub is blatantly based on the works of Tolkien, therefore the yanks have a right to insist on a change, they are just protecting there investment.
It doesn't matter where the word Hobbit originates, it doesn't matter how long the place has been called " The Hobbit", what matters is the pub is blatantly based on the works of Tolkien, therefore the yanks have a right to insist on a change, they are just protecting there investment.jase71
It doesn't matter where the word Hobbit originates, it doesn't matter how long the place has been called " The Hobbit", what matters is the pub is blatantly based on the works of Tolkien, therefore the yanks have a right to insist on a change, they are just protecting there investment.
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stuartjebbitt says...1:02pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Just wait until the Olympics start - then anyone who dares try and make a few quid off the back of that overblown sports day, will be suitably crushed from on high! Only the 'Official' products such as those well known 'health' foods , Coca-cola and McDonalds will be allowed to profit - which by the way, you will be subsidising. It's already 2 BILLION over budget - Just imagine what services could have been saved. Despite all the propaganda, no modern olympics has done anything other than leave the hosts with debts and infrastructure that becomes redundant and gets sold off cheap.
Just wait until the Olympics start - then anyone who dares try and make a few quid off the back of that overblown sports day, will be suitably crushed from on high!
Only the 'Official' products such as those well known 'health' foods , Coca-cola and McDonalds will be allowed to profit - which by the way, you will be subsidising. It's already 2 BILLION over budget - Just imagine what services could have been saved. Despite all the propaganda, no modern olympics has done anything other than leave the hosts with debts and infrastructure that becomes redundant and gets sold off cheap.stuartjebbitt
Just wait until the Olympics start - then anyone who dares try and make a few quid off the back of that overblown sports day, will be suitably crushed from on high! Only the 'Official' products such as those well known 'health' foods , Coca-cola and McDonalds will be allowed to profit - which by the way, you will be subsidising. It's already 2 BILLION over budget - Just imagine what services could have been saved. Despite all the propaganda, no modern olympics has done anything other than leave the hosts with debts and infrastructure that becomes redundant and gets sold off cheap.
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voiceinthecrowd says...1:02pm Tue 13 Mar 12
stuartjebbitt wrote…
as if the takings from a pub is seriously going to threaten a multi-million dollar film franchise! There's such a thing as live and let live and being magnanimous enough not to have to crush the little guy. I suspect Tolkein himself would be in the side of the little guy against the behemoth of corporate greed
I can see your point but say 100 world wide did it then it would mean more. Compromise should be sought however. Why does the Pub not offer say TO PAY AN ANNUAL LICENCE then suggest it goes to Charity That then puts it back in the American half
[quote][p][bold]stuartjebbitt[/bold] wrote:
as if the takings from a pub is seriously going to threaten a multi-million dollar film franchise! There's such a thing as live and let live and being magnanimous enough not to have to crush the little guy. I suspect Tolkein himself would be in the side of the little guy against the behemoth of corporate greed[/p][/quote]I can see your point but say 100 world wide did it then it would mean more.
Compromise should be sought however.
Why does the Pub not offer say TO PAY AN ANNUAL LICENCE then suggest it goes to Charity
That then puts it back in the American halfvoiceinthecrowd
stuartjebbitt wrote…
as if the takings from a pub is seriously going to threaten a multi-million dollar film franchise! There's such a thing as live and let live and being magnanimous enough not to have to crush the little guy. I suspect Tolkein himself would be in the side of the little guy against the behemoth of corporate greed
I can see your point but say 100 world wide did it then it would mean more. Compromise should be sought however. Why does the Pub not offer say TO PAY AN ANNUAL LICENCE then suggest it goes to Charity That then puts it back in the American half
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bobbyboy says...1:08pm Tue 13 Mar 12
The Hobbit has been a landmark for many years the solution is easy Stop selling things that relate to the Books and invent your own along the same theme then change the name to SOBEIT (invented by me given to you the Hobbit lol)in defiance of the American Masters. Good Luck.
The Hobbit has been a landmark for many years the solution is easy Stop selling things that relate to the Books and invent your own along the same theme then change the name to SOBEIT (invented by me given to you the Hobbit lol)in defiance of the American Masters. Good Luck.bobbyboy
The Hobbit has been a landmark for many years the solution is easy Stop selling things that relate to the Books and invent your own along the same theme then change the name to SOBEIT (invented by me given to you the Hobbit lol)in defiance of the American Masters. Good Luck.
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Chas O'Bursledon says...1:12pm Tue 13 Mar 12
I have eamiled dconlin@edwardswildm an.com who is an American Lawyer from the law firm handling this. I wrote thus: I have attached a URL from a newspaper article in my local newspaper in Southampton, England. http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/9585643. The_Hobbit_in_battle _with_Hollywood/?ref =eb I find it absolutely ludicrous that a large US based organisation sees fit to attack a family business in the UK which has used the name “The Hobbit” long before your client’s films were made. I should imagine that a great Englishman such as J.R.R. Tolkien would be horrified that something so complimentary to his work would be the subject of what can only be seen as “bullying” tactics by your firm’s American clients. I hope that this matter is heard in the English courts and that one of our judges tells your client the true meaning of freedom of expression, a concept which is, I believe, embedded in your constitution. Yours sincerely Do the same. It is time we told the Americans they they do not rule the world and most certainly not us.
I have eamiled dconlin@edwardswildm
an.com
who is an American Lawyer from the law firm handling this. I wrote thus:
I have attached a URL from a newspaper article in my local newspaper in Southampton, England.
http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/9585643.
The_Hobbit_in_battle
_with_Hollywood/?ref
=eb
I find it absolutely ludicrous that a large US based organisation sees fit to attack a family business in the UK which has used the name “The Hobbit” long before your client’s films were made. I should imagine that a great Englishman such as J.R.R. Tolkien would be horrified that something so complimentary to his work would be the subject of what can only be seen as “bullying” tactics by your firm’s American clients.
I hope that this matter is heard in the English courts and that one of our judges tells your client the true meaning of freedom of expression, a concept which is, I believe, embedded in your constitution.
Yours sincerely
Do the same. It is time we told the Americans they they do not rule the world and most certainly not us.Chas O'Bursledon
I have eamiled dconlin@edwardswildm an.com who is an American Lawyer from the law firm handling this. I wrote thus: I have attached a URL from a newspaper article in my local newspaper in Southampton, England. http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/9585643. The_Hobbit_in_battle _with_Hollywood/?ref =eb I find it absolutely ludicrous that a large US based organisation sees fit to attack a family business in the UK which has used the name “The Hobbit” long before your client’s films were made. I should imagine that a great Englishman such as J.R.R. Tolkien would be horrified that something so complimentary to his work would be the subject of what can only be seen as “bullying” tactics by your firm’s American clients. I hope that this matter is heard in the English courts and that one of our judges tells your client the true meaning of freedom of expression, a concept which is, I believe, embedded in your constitution. Yours sincerely Do the same. It is time we told the Americans they they do not rule the world and most certainly not us.
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Shoong says...1:12pm Tue 13 Mar 12
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
[quote][p][bold]AM[/bold] wrote:
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other.
The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it.
I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.[/p][/quote]It's not the word that is in question.
It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?Shoong
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
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Chas O'Bursledon says...1:18pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AM[/bold] wrote:
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other.
The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it.
I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.[/p][/quote]It's not the word that is in question.
It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?[/p][/quote]The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!Chas O'Bursledon
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
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batesieboy says...1:26pm Tue 13 Mar 12
allsaintsnocurves wrote…
There's a pub in the Philippenes in Manila called 'The Hobbit'...and was even named specifically after the book and even has midgets working in there as bar staff! Maybe the Hobbit in Southampton should get in touch with them and fight it together. I'm sure there are others.
Yes, there's one in Boracay, Philippines, as well. Don't know if you can call them "midgets" any more. And where did the England rugby team lob hobbits around? This is ridiculous!
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote:
There's a pub in the Philippenes in Manila called 'The Hobbit'...and was even named specifically after the book and even has midgets working in there as bar staff! Maybe the Hobbit in Southampton should get in touch with them and fight it together. I'm sure there are others.[/p][/quote]Yes, there's one in Boracay, Philippines, as well. Don't know if you can call them "midgets" any more. And where did the England rugby team lob hobbits around? This is ridiculous!batesieboy
allsaintsnocurves wrote…
There's a pub in the Philippenes in Manila called 'The Hobbit'...and was even named specifically after the book and even has midgets working in there as bar staff! Maybe the Hobbit in Southampton should get in touch with them and fight it together. I'm sure there are others.
Yes, there's one in Boracay, Philippines, as well. Don't know if you can call them "midgets" any more. And where did the England rugby team lob hobbits around? This is ridiculous!
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Paramjit Bahia says...1:28pm Tue 13 Mar 12
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit. . Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some light
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit.
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Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some lightParamjit Bahia
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit. . Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some light
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southy says...1:34pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Chas O'Bursledon wrote…
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AM[/bold] wrote:
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other.
The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it.
I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.[/p][/quote]It's not the word that is in question.
It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?[/p][/quote]The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!![/p][/quote]Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.southy
Chas O'Bursledon wrote…
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.
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southy says...1:36pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Paramjit Bahia wrote…
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit. . Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some light
Yes there was it had the same result as Kelloggs.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit.
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Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some light[/p][/quote]Yes there was it had the same result as Kelloggs.southy
Paramjit Bahia wrote…
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit. . Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some light
Yes there was it had the same result as Kelloggs.
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MissA says...1:41pm Tue 13 Mar 12
I remember this pub from my youth..... It's always been The Hobbit. Even people that haven't drank there have heard of it! Leave it alone, Yanks! I bet they haven't even visited it to see what a little english pub looks like! If it was a chain such as wetherspoons or TGIs then I would totally understand- but its not. What next? No Robin Hood pub? Watch out Durley village.....
I remember this pub from my youth..... It's always been The Hobbit. Even people that haven't drank there have heard of it! Leave it alone, Yanks! I bet they haven't even visited it to see what a little english pub looks like! If it was a chain such as wetherspoons or TGIs then I would totally understand- but its not. What next? No Robin Hood pub? Watch out Durley village.....MissA
I remember this pub from my youth..... It's always been The Hobbit. Even people that haven't drank there have heard of it! Leave it alone, Yanks! I bet they haven't even visited it to see what a little english pub looks like! If it was a chain such as wetherspoons or TGIs then I would totally understand- but its not. What next? No Robin Hood pub? Watch out Durley village.....
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southy says...1:42pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Chas O'Bursledon wrote…
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
You are permitted to do all so, It only becomes copy right, when you copy a Trade name in the same unique format thats is a trade brand design. Like I could make Cornflakes and call it Kelloggs as long I dont use there unique brand designed
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AM[/bold] wrote:
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other.
The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it.
I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.[/p][/quote]It's not the word that is in question.
It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?[/p][/quote]The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!![/p][/quote]You are permitted to do all so, It only becomes copy right, when you copy a Trade name in the same unique format thats is a trade brand design.
Like I could make Cornflakes and call it Kelloggs as long I dont use there unique brand designedsouthy
Chas O'Bursledon wrote…
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
You are permitted to do all so, It only becomes copy right, when you copy a Trade name in the same unique format thats is a trade brand design. Like I could make Cornflakes and call it Kelloggs as long I dont use there unique brand designed
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lowe esteem says...1:53pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Other side of the story: Have visited this pub, and not even associated it with all that drug-fuelled sorcery nonsense. Thing was, I was out the back 'garden' watching Desmond Dekker performing to an eclectic mix of students, Jamaicans, various grown up and notso skins and mods and just curious. Bar was out the back so didn't really notice the 'theme'. Not going to rush back now i've been made more aware of it though. But good luck to you, surely room for all?
Other side of the story:
Have visited this pub, and not even associated it with all that drug-fuelled sorcery nonsense.
Thing was, I was out the back 'garden' watching Desmond Dekker performing to an eclectic mix of students, Jamaicans, various grown up and notso skins and mods and just curious. Bar was out the back so didn't really notice the 'theme'. Not going to rush back now i've been made more aware of it though. But good luck to you, surely room for all?lowe esteem
Other side of the story: Have visited this pub, and not even associated it with all that drug-fuelled sorcery nonsense. Thing was, I was out the back 'garden' watching Desmond Dekker performing to an eclectic mix of students, Jamaicans, various grown up and notso skins and mods and just curious. Bar was out the back so didn't really notice the 'theme'. Not going to rush back now i've been made more aware of it though. But good luck to you, surely room for all?
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Torchie1 says...2:13pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Paramjit Bahia wrote…
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit. . Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some light
Since the production rights moved from Lotus to Caterham Cars almost forty years ago would you like to reconsider your definition of 'a few years' ?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit.
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Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some light[/p][/quote]Since the production rights moved from Lotus to Caterham Cars almost forty years ago would you like to reconsider your definition of 'a few years' ?Torchie1
Paramjit Bahia wrote…
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit. . Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some light
Since the production rights moved from Lotus to Caterham Cars almost forty years ago would you like to reconsider your definition of 'a few years' ?
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AM says...2:26pm Tue 13 Mar 12
By the way in Salcombe the Victoria pub has accommodation in its grounds called The Hobbit House. Is the Saul Zaentz Company going to start proceedings there too. where will this stop. I suspect Tolkien is rolling in his grave
By the way in Salcombe the Victoria pub has accommodation in its grounds called The Hobbit House. Is the Saul Zaentz Company going to start proceedings there too. where will this stop. I suspect Tolkien is rolling in his graveAM
By the way in Salcombe the Victoria pub has accommodation in its grounds called The Hobbit House. Is the Saul Zaentz Company going to start proceedings there too. where will this stop. I suspect Tolkien is rolling in his grave
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Frank28 says...2:44pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Although it all seems very silly; the Courts come down hard on copyright infringement cases. It's not the end of the world if the pub has to change its trading name and decor.
Although it all seems very silly; the Courts come down hard on copyright infringement cases. It's not the end of the world if the pub has to change its trading name and decor.Frank28
Although it all seems very silly; the Courts come down hard on copyright infringement cases. It's not the end of the world if the pub has to change its trading name and decor.
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clausentum says...2:45pm Tue 13 Mar 12
bigfella777 wrote…
SpiderMeringue wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.
Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.
You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SpiderMeringue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.[/p][/quote]Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.[/p][/quote]Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.[/p][/quote]You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea.clausentum
bigfella777 wrote…
SpiderMeringue wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.
Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.
You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea.
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Pixiienot says...2:58pm Tue 13 Mar 12
clausentum wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
SpiderMeringue wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.
Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.
You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea.
A stereotypical statement from a person who is trying to argue about people being different.. A tad hypocritical.
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SpiderMeringue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.[/p][/quote]Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.[/p][/quote]Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.[/p][/quote]You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea.[/p][/quote]A stereotypical statement from a person who is trying to argue about people being different.. A tad hypocritical.Pixiienot
clausentum wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
SpiderMeringue wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.
Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.
You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea.
A stereotypical statement from a person who is trying to argue about people being different.. A tad hypocritical.
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St Retford says...3:01pm Tue 13 Mar 12
I imagine the pub is absolutely LOVING the publicity all this will generate. If they're smart they'll use this and get themselves known right around the world.
I imagine the pub is absolutely LOVING the publicity all this will generate. If they're smart they'll use this and get themselves known right around the world.St Retford
I imagine the pub is absolutely LOVING the publicity all this will generate. If they're smart they'll use this and get themselves known right around the world.
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ssnaked23 says...3:05pm Tue 13 Mar 12
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.ssnaked23
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.
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clausentum says...3:15pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Pixiienot wrote…
clausentum wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
SpiderMeringue wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.
Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.
You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea.
A stereotypical statement from a person who is trying to argue about people being different.. A tad hypocritical.
Bingo!! Article: DRIVERS PUT AT RISK AS THUGS WEDGE LEVEL CROSSING BARRIERS OPEN 6:19pm Monday 12th March 2012 Direct quote from the Hyperbolic Username: "bigfella777 says... 8:00am Tue 13 Mar 12 You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea."
[quote][p][bold]Pixiienot[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SpiderMeringue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.[/p][/quote]Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.[/p][/quote]Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.[/p][/quote]You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea.[/p][/quote]A stereotypical statement from a person who is trying to argue about people being different.. A tad hypocritical.[/p][/quote]Bingo!!
Article:
DRIVERS PUT AT RISK AS THUGS WEDGE LEVEL CROSSING BARRIERS OPEN
6:19pm Monday 12th March 2012
Direct quote from the Hyperbolic Username:
"bigfella777 says... 8:00am Tue 13 Mar 12
You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea."clausentum
Pixiienot wrote…
clausentum wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
SpiderMeringue wrote…
bigfella777 wrote…
Its a freaks pub anyway,the only time I ever went in there some people thought it was hilarious to soak everyone with water pistols.They can change the name and the hair colour of everyone in there as far as Im concerned.
Yes and everybody should conform to your expectations. Indeed. Heaven forbid people experiment with their own looks.
Its about class and neither you or this establishment have any.
You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea.
A stereotypical statement from a person who is trying to argue about people being different.. A tad hypocritical.
Bingo!! Article: DRIVERS PUT AT RISK AS THUGS WEDGE LEVEL CROSSING BARRIERS OPEN 6:19pm Monday 12th March 2012 Direct quote from the Hyperbolic Username: "bigfella777 says... 8:00am Tue 13 Mar 12 You are such a bore,I can imagine you sitting there in your flannel trousers and tweed jacket straining your old eyes to look at the interweb with a cup of cold tea."
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aberis says...3:23pm Tue 13 Mar 12
ssnaked23 wrote…
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.
The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark. An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark. if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.
[quote][p][bold]ssnaked23[/bold] wrote:
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.[/p][/quote]The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark.
An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark.
if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.aberis
ssnaked23 wrote…
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.
The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark. An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark. if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.
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Muslio says...3:32pm Tue 13 Mar 12
From "The Denham tracts : a collection of folklore" published 1846-1959 in tracts and pamphlets by Mr Denham. FOLKLORE OF THE NORTH OF ENGLAND Hobbits, a class of spirits. Thus, prior art from Tolkien for the name Hobbit - movie studios can't claim Hobbit as a word. Might have to drop the Gandolf cocktails though.
From "The Denham tracts : a collection of folklore" published 1846-1959 in tracts and pamphlets by Mr Denham.
FOLKLORE OF THE NORTH OF ENGLAND
Hobbits, a class of spirits.
Thus, prior art from Tolkien for the name Hobbit - movie studios can't claim Hobbit as a word.
Might have to drop the Gandolf cocktails though.Muslio
From "The Denham tracts : a collection of folklore" published 1846-1959 in tracts and pamphlets by Mr Denham. FOLKLORE OF THE NORTH OF ENGLAND Hobbits, a class of spirits. Thus, prior art from Tolkien for the name Hobbit - movie studios can't claim Hobbit as a word. Might have to drop the Gandolf cocktails though.
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southy says...3:36pm Tue 13 Mar 12
aberis wrote…
ssnaked23 wrote…
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.
The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark. An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark. if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.
Then you hit the problem of Tolkien him self, he used real names and real places. like calling a drink Gandalf would not be breeching copy right laws or trade marks because "Gandalf" is a surname and mythitcal being (Norse Orgin).
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ssnaked23[/bold] wrote:
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.[/p][/quote]The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark.
An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark.
if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.[/p][/quote]Then you hit the problem of Tolkien him self, he used real names and real places. like calling a drink Gandalf would not be breeching copy right laws or trade marks because "Gandalf" is a surname and mythitcal being (Norse Orgin).southy
aberis wrote…
ssnaked23 wrote…
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.
The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark. An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark. if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.
Then you hit the problem of Tolkien him self, he used real names and real places. like calling a drink Gandalf would not be breeching copy right laws or trade marks because "Gandalf" is a surname and mythitcal being (Norse Orgin).
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aberis says...3:43pm Tue 13 Mar 12
southy wrote…
Chas O'Bursledon wrote…
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.
I think you'll find that Kelloggs own the trademark in food products. Trademarks operate in two ways: 1. You can trademark the design and style of a word for use as a company name, product or service. 2. You can trademark or word for use within a specific field. Either use of a trademark also comes down to context of the usage. E.g. The was a very long running legal dispute between Apple Corps and Apple Computers over the use of Apple (and using an apple for the logo). The short of it is that the first dispute was resolved by a court ruling that because Apple Corps (a music publisher) was the first registered trademark, Apple computers did not have the re-brand provided they remained in the computer electronic industry. The second dispute came about with the release of the iPod, or more importantly iTunes; which due to iTunes being used for the sale (publishing) of music was in breach of the Apple Corps trademark. This was upheld in court with a substantial payout to Apple Corps in order to continue operating in the music publishing industry.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AM[/bold] wrote:
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other.
The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it.
I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.[/p][/quote]It's not the word that is in question.
It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?[/p][/quote]The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!![/p][/quote]Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that Kelloggs own the trademark in food products. Trademarks operate in two ways:
1. You can trademark the design and style of a word for use as a company name, product or service.
2. You can trademark or word for use within a specific field.
Either use of a trademark also comes down to context of the usage.
E.g. The was a very long running legal dispute between Apple Corps and Apple Computers over the use of Apple (and using an apple for the logo). The short of it is that the first dispute was resolved by a court ruling that because Apple Corps (a music publisher) was the first registered trademark, Apple computers did not have the re-brand provided they remained in the computer electronic industry. The second dispute came about with the release of the iPod, or more importantly iTunes; which due to iTunes being used for the sale (publishing) of music was in breach of the Apple Corps trademark. This was upheld in court with a substantial payout to Apple Corps in order to continue operating in the music publishing industry.aberis
southy wrote…
Chas O'Bursledon wrote…
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.
I think you'll find that Kelloggs own the trademark in food products. Trademarks operate in two ways: 1. You can trademark the design and style of a word for use as a company name, product or service. 2. You can trademark or word for use within a specific field. Either use of a trademark also comes down to context of the usage. E.g. The was a very long running legal dispute between Apple Corps and Apple Computers over the use of Apple (and using an apple for the logo). The short of it is that the first dispute was resolved by a court ruling that because Apple Corps (a music publisher) was the first registered trademark, Apple computers did not have the re-brand provided they remained in the computer electronic industry. The second dispute came about with the release of the iPod, or more importantly iTunes; which due to iTunes being used for the sale (publishing) of music was in breach of the Apple Corps trademark. This was upheld in court with a substantial payout to Apple Corps in order to continue operating in the music publishing industry.
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aberis says...3:46pm Tue 13 Mar 12
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
ssnaked23 wrote…
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.
The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark. An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark. if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.
Then you hit the problem of Tolkien him self, he used real names and real places. like calling a drink Gandalf would not be breeching copy right laws or trade marks because "Gandalf" is a surname and mythitcal being (Norse Orgin).
Correct but using the imagery of Tolkien's "Gandalf" to represent and advertise the drink would ...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ssnaked23[/bold] wrote:
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.[/p][/quote]The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark.
An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark.
if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.[/p][/quote]Then you hit the problem of Tolkien him self, he used real names and real places. like calling a drink Gandalf would not be breeching copy right laws or trade marks because "Gandalf" is a surname and mythitcal being (Norse Orgin).[/p][/quote]Correct but using the imagery of Tolkien's "Gandalf" to represent and advertise the drink would ...aberis
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
ssnaked23 wrote…
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.
The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark. An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark. if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.
Then you hit the problem of Tolkien him self, he used real names and real places. like calling a drink Gandalf would not be breeching copy right laws or trade marks because "Gandalf" is a surname and mythitcal being (Norse Orgin).
Correct but using the imagery of Tolkien's "Gandalf" to represent and advertise the drink would ...
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nedscrumpo says...4:07pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Perhaps the licensee should change her name by deed poll to MRS HOBBIT.
Perhaps the licensee should change her name by deed poll to MRS HOBBIT.nedscrumpo
Perhaps the licensee should change her name by deed poll to MRS HOBBIT.
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southy says...4:28pm Tue 13 Mar 12
nedscrumpo wrote…
Perhaps the licensee should change her name by deed poll to MRS HOBBIT.
The would put a total mucker on things.
[quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps the licensee should change her name by deed poll to MRS HOBBIT.[/p][/quote]The would put a total mucker on things.southy
nedscrumpo wrote…
Perhaps the licensee should change her name by deed poll to MRS HOBBIT.
The would put a total mucker on things.
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southy says...4:35pm Tue 13 Mar 12
aberis wrote…
southy wrote…
Chas O'Bursledon wrote…
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.
I think you'll find that Kelloggs own the trademark in food products. Trademarks operate in two ways: 1. You can trademark the design and style of a word for use as a company name, product or service. 2. You can trademark or word for use within a specific field. Either use of a trademark also comes down to context of the usage. E.g. The was a very long running legal dispute between Apple Corps and Apple Computers over the use of Apple (and using an apple for the logo). The short of it is that the first dispute was resolved by a court ruling that because Apple Corps (a music publisher) was the first registered trademark, Apple computers did not have the re-brand provided they remained in the computer electronic industry. The second dispute came about with the release of the iPod, or more importantly iTunes; which due to iTunes being used for the sale (publishing) of music was in breach of the Apple Corps trademark. This was upheld in court with a substantial payout to Apple Corps in order to continue operating in the music publishing industry.
They own the design of Kelloggs brand name, the Kelloggs word can be use even if you producing cornflakes, but they can not copy brand trade name design. Another example is Lotus 7 two firms producing sports cars with the same name, ruling was both can exciss as there trade band name was different with there own unique way of doing Lotus 7
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AM[/bold] wrote:
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other.
The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it.
I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.[/p][/quote]It's not the word that is in question.
It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?[/p][/quote]The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!![/p][/quote]Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that Kelloggs own the trademark in food products. Trademarks operate in two ways:
1. You can trademark the design and style of a word for use as a company name, product or service.
2. You can trademark or word for use within a specific field.
Either use of a trademark also comes down to context of the usage.
E.g. The was a very long running legal dispute between Apple Corps and Apple Computers over the use of Apple (and using an apple for the logo). The short of it is that the first dispute was resolved by a court ruling that because Apple Corps (a music publisher) was the first registered trademark, Apple computers did not have the re-brand provided they remained in the computer electronic industry. The second dispute came about with the release of the iPod, or more importantly iTunes; which due to iTunes being used for the sale (publishing) of music was in breach of the Apple Corps trademark. This was upheld in court with a substantial payout to Apple Corps in order to continue operating in the music publishing industry.[/p][/quote]They own the design of Kelloggs brand name, the Kelloggs word can be use even if you producing cornflakes, but they can not copy brand trade name design.
Another example is Lotus 7 two firms producing sports cars with the same name, ruling was both can exciss as there trade band name was different with there own unique way of doing Lotus 7southy
aberis wrote…
southy wrote…
Chas O'Bursledon wrote…
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.
I think you'll find that Kelloggs own the trademark in food products. Trademarks operate in two ways: 1. You can trademark the design and style of a word for use as a company name, product or service. 2. You can trademark or word for use within a specific field. Either use of a trademark also comes down to context of the usage. E.g. The was a very long running legal dispute between Apple Corps and Apple Computers over the use of Apple (and using an apple for the logo). The short of it is that the first dispute was resolved by a court ruling that because Apple Corps (a music publisher) was the first registered trademark, Apple computers did not have the re-brand provided they remained in the computer electronic industry. The second dispute came about with the release of the iPod, or more importantly iTunes; which due to iTunes being used for the sale (publishing) of music was in breach of the Apple Corps trademark. This was upheld in court with a substantial payout to Apple Corps in order to continue operating in the music publishing industry.
They own the design of Kelloggs brand name, the Kelloggs word can be use even if you producing cornflakes, but they can not copy brand trade name design. Another example is Lotus 7 two firms producing sports cars with the same name, ruling was both can exciss as there trade band name was different with there own unique way of doing Lotus 7
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drodge181 says...4:43pm Tue 13 Mar 12
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
mack chinnon wrote…
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
Turn it into a Hooters.
Get a life. I can only assume you want all pubs to be heavy drinking places where people can get smashed and then the police have to foot the bill cleaning the streets at night of drunks. There is nothing wrong with theme nights but I think the point is missed the PUB sells memorablia for a PROFIT. Thats why no doubt they came to the attention of the Yanks.
I think you ought to wake up get with it We are not back in the 60s 70s this is nothing but discrimination against woman and as for the hobbit pub good luck hope you can beat these money tycoons who think they can bully us normal people around they dont even live in this country who the hell do they think they are iv been to the pub a few times and its great so dont give up keep fighting
[quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote:
All theme pubs should be demolished.
Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe.
The only sign on the door should be;
NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS)
NO CHILDREN
NO DOGS
NO MOBILE PHONES[/p][/quote]Turn it into a Hooters.[/p][/quote]Get a life. I can only assume you want all pubs to be heavy drinking places where people can get smashed and then the police have to foot the bill cleaning the streets at night of drunks.
There is nothing wrong with theme nights but I think the point is missed the PUB sells memorablia for a PROFIT. Thats why no doubt they came to the attention of the Yanks.[/p][/quote]I think you ought to wake up get with it We are not back in the 60s 70s this is nothing but discrimination against woman and as for the hobbit pub good luck hope you can beat these money tycoons who think they can bully us normal people around they dont even live in this country who the hell do they think they are iv been to the pub a few times and its great so dont give up keep fightingdrodge181
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
mack chinnon wrote…
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
Turn it into a Hooters.
Get a life. I can only assume you want all pubs to be heavy drinking places where people can get smashed and then the police have to foot the bill cleaning the streets at night of drunks. There is nothing wrong with theme nights but I think the point is missed the PUB sells memorablia for a PROFIT. Thats why no doubt they came to the attention of the Yanks.
I think you ought to wake up get with it We are not back in the 60s 70s this is nothing but discrimination against woman and as for the hobbit pub good luck hope you can beat these money tycoons who think they can bully us normal people around they dont even live in this country who the hell do they think they are iv been to the pub a few times and its great so dont give up keep fighting
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southy says...4:43pm Tue 13 Mar 12
aberis wrote…
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
ssnaked23 wrote…
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.
The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark. An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark. if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.
Then you hit the problem of Tolkien him self, he used real names and real places. like calling a drink Gandalf would not be breeching copy right laws or trade marks because "Gandalf" is a surname and mythitcal being (Norse Orgin).
Correct but using the imagery of Tolkien's "Gandalf" to represent and advertise the drink would ...
The imagery was just the name, The imagery used in the films all was copys of some one else that had no connection to the film industray or the books or the family and pre dates the books, even if you look at the maps in the Tolkien books they are imagery of real maps, but insted of the hills ranges he increase them to mountains ranges, the river are real river corses with just a change of name.
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ssnaked23[/bold] wrote:
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.[/p][/quote]The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark.
An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark.
if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.[/p][/quote]Then you hit the problem of Tolkien him self, he used real names and real places. like calling a drink Gandalf would not be breeching copy right laws or trade marks because "Gandalf" is a surname and mythitcal being (Norse Orgin).[/p][/quote]Correct but using the imagery of Tolkien's "Gandalf" to represent and advertise the drink would ...[/p][/quote]The imagery was just the name, The imagery used in the films all was copys of some one else that had no connection to the film industray or the books or the family and pre dates the books, even if you look at the maps in the Tolkien books they are imagery of real maps, but insted of the hills ranges he increase them to mountains ranges, the river are real river corses with just a change of name.southy
aberis wrote…
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
ssnaked23 wrote…
As someone as already said you cant copyright a name, you can Trademark a name. Even if its been copyrighted for a film thats all its been copyrighted for. In the States they have a thing called Title Registration for films where titles are registered though they dont have to be used so if you were to make a film you couldnt call it The Hobbit but you could call it Bilbo Baggins, the Hobbit instead as long as it wasnt registered. I tend to agree that with regards to the merchandising that may well be slightly a different issue as they appear to be trading with the LOTR images but they cant force them to change the name of the pub, think about it, what about all the pubs for example called the Rose & Crown, does that mean they would all have to change bar one, I dont think so. If you Google restaurants for example, you can find those named after famous literary works e.g. Romeo and Juliet. Im sure that there are members of WS still exist in the UK but you havent heard them banging on about "you cant use that name", the Sceptics need to get it into perspective and look around. They cant have it ALL their own way.
The other issue with a trademark is usage. The pub being called "The Hobbit" in shouldn't be an issue; as it has already be said, Hobbit is an 'olde' English word which has been in existence for centuries. The issue arises over the usage of the word. The fact the pub is using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch (namely drinks), would be deemed as a breach of this trademark. An example of this is Dyno-rod claiming Trademark to the day-glo orange used for their vans and company logo. This means that although other companies can use this colour for their vans and logo, if the company operates within the same business market i.e. plumbing; they would be in breach of the trademark. if the pub was to stop using the Tolkien characters for advertising and merch, there should not be any need for the pub to change it's name; as the name was in use prior to the trademark applications in 2002 and 2011.
Then you hit the problem of Tolkien him self, he used real names and real places. like calling a drink Gandalf would not be breeching copy right laws or trade marks because "Gandalf" is a surname and mythitcal being (Norse Orgin).
Correct but using the imagery of Tolkien's "Gandalf" to represent and advertise the drink would ...
The imagery was just the name, The imagery used in the films all was copys of some one else that had no connection to the film industray or the books or the family and pre dates the books, even if you look at the maps in the Tolkien books they are imagery of real maps, but insted of the hills ranges he increase them to mountains ranges, the river are real river corses with just a change of name.
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southy says...4:47pm Tue 13 Mar 12
And why I said, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground
And why I said, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky groundsouthy
And why I said, Saul Zaentz Company is on very sticky ground
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cityboy74 says...4:51pm Tue 13 Mar 12
change the name of the pub to Saul Zaentz is a giant bell-end.
change the name of the pub to Saul Zaentz is a giant bell-end.cityboy74
change the name of the pub to Saul Zaentz is a giant bell-end.
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City Saint says...5:03pm Tue 13 Mar 12
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
You misunderstand the nature of "harm" in copyright infringement. The Hollywood company will be expected to demonstrate how the existence of The Hobbit has harmed or will harm its copyright, which was established only afteer the pub was named. In order for the courts to issue a finding on behalf of the Hollywood company it will have to establish harm, and in thus case it won't be able to. Trust me, I've seen a fair few copyright bust-ups.
[quote][p][bold]RBurns17[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sherinsul[/bold] wrote:
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous[/p][/quote]You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s.
When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien.
The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy....
Seriously people....[/p][/quote]You misunderstand the nature of "harm" in copyright infringement. The Hollywood company will be expected to demonstrate how the existence of The Hobbit has harmed or will harm its copyright, which was established only afteer the pub was named. In order for the courts to issue a finding on behalf of the Hollywood company it will have to establish harm, and in thus case it won't be able to. Trust me, I've seen a fair few copyright bust-ups.City Saint
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
You misunderstand the nature of "harm" in copyright infringement. The Hollywood company will be expected to demonstrate how the existence of The Hobbit has harmed or will harm its copyright, which was established only afteer the pub was named. In order for the courts to issue a finding on behalf of the Hollywood company it will have to establish harm, and in thus case it won't be able to. Trust me, I've seen a fair few copyright bust-ups.
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Pixiienot says...5:09pm Tue 13 Mar 12
This is becoming pretty repetitive.. NAME OF PUB = OK RIPPING OFF LOTR PHOTOS,NAMES ECT = NOT OK we get it ZZZzzz.
This is becoming pretty repetitive..
NAME OF PUB = OK
RIPPING OFF LOTR PHOTOS,NAMES ECT = NOT OK
we get it ZZZzzz.Pixiienot
This is becoming pretty repetitive.. NAME OF PUB = OK RIPPING OFF LOTR PHOTOS,NAMES ECT = NOT OK we get it ZZZzzz.
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cantthinkofone says...5:14pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Copyright bullying is certainly a problem. But this pub have pretty much invited trouble. Their promos, available on their website, feature a lot of stills from the LoTR films. If they hadn't done that I'd have a lot of sympathy as the universe of Middle Earth is a long established part of the public consciousness. But ripping off the studio's work was/is a really dumb move.
Copyright bullying is certainly a problem.
But this pub have pretty much invited trouble. Their promos, available on their website, feature a lot of stills from the LoTR films. If they hadn't done that I'd have a lot of sympathy as the universe of Middle Earth is a long established part of the public consciousness. But ripping off the studio's work was/is a really dumb move.cantthinkofone
Copyright bullying is certainly a problem. But this pub have pretty much invited trouble. Their promos, available on their website, feature a lot of stills from the LoTR films. If they hadn't done that I'd have a lot of sympathy as the universe of Middle Earth is a long established part of the public consciousness. But ripping off the studio's work was/is a really dumb move.
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KingWrecked says...5:15pm Tue 13 Mar 12
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
Yeah well done brains, do your research first or you too could be a Hollywood laywer: The only source known today that makes reference to hobbits in any sort of historical context is the Denham Tracts by Michael Aislabie Denham. More specifically, it appears in the Denham Tracts, edited by James Hardy, (London: Folklore Society, 1895), vol. 2, the second part of a two-volume set compiled from Denham's publications between 1846 and 1859. The text contains a long list of sprites and bogies, based on an older list, the Discovery of Witchcraft, dated 1584, with many additions and a few repetitions. The term hobbit is listed in the context of boggleboes, bogies, redmen, portunes, grants, hobbits, hobgoblins, brown-men, cowies, dunnies. So in your world, I could write a book with the word Apple in it and then go on to sue Apple, The Beatles and every greengrocer in the UK for copyright infringement.
[quote][p][bold]RBurns17[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sherinsul[/bold] wrote:
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous[/p][/quote]You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s.
When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien.
The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy....
Seriously people....[/p][/quote]Yeah well done brains, do your research first or you too could be a Hollywood laywer:
The only source known today that makes reference to hobbits in any sort of historical context is the Denham Tracts by Michael Aislabie Denham. More specifically, it appears in the Denham Tracts, edited by James Hardy, (London: Folklore Society, 1895), vol. 2, the second part of a two-volume set compiled from Denham's publications between 1846 and 1859.
The text contains a long list of sprites and bogies, based on an older list, the Discovery of Witchcraft, dated 1584, with many additions and a few repetitions. The term hobbit is listed in the context of
boggleboes, bogies, redmen, portunes, grants, hobbits, hobgoblins, brown-men, cowies, dunnies.
So in your world, I could write a book with the word Apple in it and then go on to sue Apple, The Beatles and every greengrocer in the UK for copyright infringement.KingWrecked
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
Yeah well done brains, do your research first or you too could be a Hollywood laywer: The only source known today that makes reference to hobbits in any sort of historical context is the Denham Tracts by Michael Aislabie Denham. More specifically, it appears in the Denham Tracts, edited by James Hardy, (London: Folklore Society, 1895), vol. 2, the second part of a two-volume set compiled from Denham's publications between 1846 and 1859. The text contains a long list of sprites and bogies, based on an older list, the Discovery of Witchcraft, dated 1584, with many additions and a few repetitions. The term hobbit is listed in the context of boggleboes, bogies, redmen, portunes, grants, hobbits, hobgoblins, brown-men, cowies, dunnies. So in your world, I could write a book with the word Apple in it and then go on to sue Apple, The Beatles and every greengrocer in the UK for copyright infringement.
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cantthinkofone says...5:18pm Tue 13 Mar 12
City Saint wrote…
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
You misunderstand the nature of "harm" in copyright infringement. The Hollywood company will be expected to demonstrate how the existence of The Hobbit has harmed or will harm its copyright, which was established only afteer the pub was named. In order for the courts to issue a finding on behalf of the Hollywood company it will have to establish harm, and in thus case it won't be able to. Trust me, I've seen a fair few copyright bust-ups.
I'd think they would have a pretty clear angle on that. Their films are marketed at kids. The pub is, well, a pub. Those two things don't mesh well, and they could easily argue that associating their 'brand' with a boozer tarnishes its reputation. Spurious in the real world I know, but I can see that argument being held up in court as plausible enough for judgement to go against the pub. I'm legally trained at grad level, but I've not much knowledge or experience of copyright law specifically.
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RBurns17[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sherinsul[/bold] wrote:
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous[/p][/quote]You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s.
When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien.
The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy....
Seriously people....[/p][/quote]You misunderstand the nature of "harm" in copyright infringement. The Hollywood company will be expected to demonstrate how the existence of The Hobbit has harmed or will harm its copyright, which was established only afteer the pub was named. In order for the courts to issue a finding on behalf of the Hollywood company it will have to establish harm, and in thus case it won't be able to. Trust me, I've seen a fair few copyright bust-ups.[/p][/quote]I'd think they would have a pretty clear angle on that.
Their films are marketed at kids. The pub is, well, a pub. Those two things don't mesh well, and they could easily argue that associating their 'brand' with a boozer tarnishes its reputation.
Spurious in the real world I know, but I can see that argument being held up in court as plausible enough for judgement to go against the pub.
I'm legally trained at grad level, but I've not much knowledge or experience of copyright law specifically.cantthinkofone
City Saint wrote…
RBurns17 wrote…
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
You people do realize that The Hobbit was originally a book published by J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1930s, correct? A Hobbit by definition is a completely fictional creature, created by J.R.R. Tolkien, who died in the 1970s. When you create such a thing you own the rights to it. His estate and their business partners have every right to make this demand because without Tolkien's creation there is no such thing as a Hobbit. There is no way to prove there was no harm intended when they are using a word that has no other meaning outside the world of Middle-Earth created by Tolkien. The movies are adaptations to works created long before this pub existed. If you visit the pub's website it's completely obvious why they have chose action against this pub, since all of their promotional materials use images and themes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.... Seriously people....
You misunderstand the nature of "harm" in copyright infringement. The Hollywood company will be expected to demonstrate how the existence of The Hobbit has harmed or will harm its copyright, which was established only afteer the pub was named. In order for the courts to issue a finding on behalf of the Hollywood company it will have to establish harm, and in thus case it won't be able to. Trust me, I've seen a fair few copyright bust-ups.
I'd think they would have a pretty clear angle on that. Their films are marketed at kids. The pub is, well, a pub. Those two things don't mesh well, and they could easily argue that associating their 'brand' with a boozer tarnishes its reputation. Spurious in the real world I know, but I can see that argument being held up in court as plausible enough for judgement to go against the pub. I'm legally trained at grad level, but I've not much knowledge or experience of copyright law specifically.
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The Music Man says...5:21pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Pixiienot wrote…
This is becoming pretty repetitive.. NAME OF PUB = OK RIPPING OFF LOTR PHOTOS,NAMES ECT = NOT OK we get it ZZZzzz.
you nailed it
[quote][p][bold]Pixiienot[/bold] wrote:
This is becoming pretty repetitive..
NAME OF PUB = OK
RIPPING OFF LOTR PHOTOS,NAMES ECT = NOT OK
we get it ZZZzzz.[/p][/quote]you nailed itThe Music Man
Pixiienot wrote…
This is becoming pretty repetitive.. NAME OF PUB = OK RIPPING OFF LOTR PHOTOS,NAMES ECT = NOT OK we get it ZZZzzz.
you nailed it
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rightway says...5:35pm Tue 13 Mar 12
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
mack chinnon wrote…
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
Turn it into a Hooters.
Get a life. I can only assume you want all pubs to be heavy drinking places where people can get smashed and then the police have to foot the bill cleaning the streets at night of drunks. There is nothing wrong with theme nights but I think the point is missed the PUB sells memorablia for a PROFIT. Thats why no doubt they came to the attention of the Yanks.
Yes
[quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES[/p][/quote]Turn it into a Hooters.[/p][/quote]Get a life. I can only assume you want all pubs to be heavy drinking places where people can get smashed and then the police have to foot the bill cleaning the streets at night of drunks. There is nothing wrong with theme nights but I think the point is missed the PUB sells memorablia for a PROFIT. Thats why no doubt they came to the attention of the Yanks.[/p][/quote]Yesrightway
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
mack chinnon wrote…
rightway wrote…
All theme pubs should be demolished. Pubs are for men to go to and drink beer. They should never be used by the sad people who want to live in a land of make believe. The only sign on the door should be; NO WOMEN (EXCEPT THE STRIPPERS) NO CHILDREN NO DOGS NO MOBILE PHONES
Turn it into a Hooters.
Get a life. I can only assume you want all pubs to be heavy drinking places where people can get smashed and then the police have to foot the bill cleaning the streets at night of drunks. There is nothing wrong with theme nights but I think the point is missed the PUB sells memorablia for a PROFIT. Thats why no doubt they came to the attention of the Yanks.
Yes
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Cookiecutter says...6:09pm Tue 13 Mar 12
I can understand the reasoning behind this little problem, but as i see it, it comes down to use was first. Was the movie first or was the pub first to name. If it is the pub then the brewery own the name Hobbit. If its the film then give it back to them who care what the name is. No-one will want to see the film after that so who gets hurt the movie company. My name was given to me over 70 years ago and since then i have found dozens of people using the exact same name all over the world.
I can understand the reasoning behind this little problem, but as i see it, it comes down to use was first. Was the movie first or was the pub first to name. If it is the pub then the brewery own the name Hobbit. If its the film then give it back to them who care what the name is. No-one will want to see the film after that so who gets hurt the movie company.
My name was given to me over 70 years ago and since then i have found dozens of people using the exact same name all over the world.Cookiecutter
I can understand the reasoning behind this little problem, but as i see it, it comes down to use was first. Was the movie first or was the pub first to name. If it is the pub then the brewery own the name Hobbit. If its the film then give it back to them who care what the name is. No-one will want to see the film after that so who gets hurt the movie company. My name was given to me over 70 years ago and since then i have found dozens of people using the exact same name all over the world.
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dango says...6:09pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Dear The Saul Zaentz Company, Hobbits are scum. While you're about it, feel free to prosecute me for slander or defamtion of character, either or, I don't care.
Dear The Saul Zaentz Company, Hobbits are scum. While you're about it, feel free to prosecute me for slander or defamtion of character, either or, I don't care.dango
Dear The Saul Zaentz Company, Hobbits are scum. While you're about it, feel free to prosecute me for slander or defamtion of character, either or, I don't care.
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Georgem says...6:56pm Tue 13 Mar 12
waggers5 wrote…
This is a pub we're talking about here. It's not a movie, a stage production, or merchandise of any kind. The film studio's rights surely don't cover this.
True, but it's all really down to who can afford to fight it in court.
[quote][p][bold]waggers5[/bold] wrote:
This is a pub we're talking about here. It's not a movie, a stage production, or merchandise of any kind. The film studio's rights surely don't cover this.[/p][/quote]True, but it's all really down to who can afford to fight it in court.Georgem
waggers5 wrote…
This is a pub we're talking about here. It's not a movie, a stage production, or merchandise of any kind. The film studio's rights surely don't cover this.
True, but it's all really down to who can afford to fight it in court.
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pod says...7:19pm Tue 13 Mar 12
southy wrote…
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
southy wrote…
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.
You are missing the point you can copyright a name such as Hobbit if you intend to make it a film title. I wonder if the Pub registered the name with say Companies House. Most businesses don't I understand It cost the company making the film millions and obviously they want to protect their theme so to speak. Not all films make it and money is lost. If you want films you need to think
No you can not you can only copy right the Design of the word if its a totally new design. Kelloggs is a prefect example, the word not copy right but the design is. And the film used a design in letters that has all ready been used before copy right laws came into being.
hate to agree with you mr southy, but you are correct, I have a business name, which in its self is unusual, but anyone else could still call their business the same name, but my design is copyrighted and they would not be able to use that
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.[/p][/quote]You are missing the point you can copyright a name such as Hobbit if you intend to make it a film title.
I wonder if the Pub registered the name with say Companies House.
Most businesses don't I understand
It cost the company making the film millions and obviously they want to protect their theme so to speak.
Not all films make it and money is lost.
If you want films you need to think[/p][/quote]No you can not you can only copy right the Design of the word if its a totally new design.
Kelloggs is a prefect example, the word not copy right but the design is.
And the film used a design in letters that has all ready been used before copy right laws came into being.[/p][/quote]hate to agree with you mr southy, but you are correct, I have a business name, which in its self is unusual, but anyone else could still call their business the same name, but my design is copyrighted and they would not be able to use thatpod
southy wrote…
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
southy wrote…
To have copy rights over a word, you need to invent a word, it takes a lot more than just use a part of word or add on to word or cut a word and add on, it has to have whole total new meaning also, to have copy rights over letter you need to invent a design of the letters, can not use any that as all ready been used.
You are missing the point you can copyright a name such as Hobbit if you intend to make it a film title. I wonder if the Pub registered the name with say Companies House. Most businesses don't I understand It cost the company making the film millions and obviously they want to protect their theme so to speak. Not all films make it and money is lost. If you want films you need to think
No you can not you can only copy right the Design of the word if its a totally new design. Kelloggs is a prefect example, the word not copy right but the design is. And the film used a design in letters that has all ready been used before copy right laws came into being.
hate to agree with you mr southy, but you are correct, I have a business name, which in its self is unusual, but anyone else could still call their business the same name, but my design is copyrighted and they would not be able to use that
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forest hump says...7:31pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Does that mean Steven Spielberg cannot make a movie called "Pilley Working Men's Club"?
Does that mean Steven Spielberg cannot make a movie called "Pilley Working Men's Club"?forest hump
Does that mean Steven Spielberg cannot make a movie called "Pilley Working Men's Club"?
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forest hump says...7:32pm Tue 13 Mar 12
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.
That was the Hobler
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Icklelady[/bold] wrote: This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.[/p][/quote]The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.[/p][/quote]More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.[/p][/quote]That was the Hoblerforest hump
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.
That was the Hobler
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pod says...7:33pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Paramjit Bahia wrote…
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit. . Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some light
I am a short local person, so how about we re-name it after another set of spoof books - The Soddit or the Bored of the Rings, both worth a read.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit.
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Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some light[/p][/quote]I am a short local person, so how about we re-name it after another set of spoof books - The Soddit or the Bored of the Rings, both worth a read.pod
Paramjit Bahia wrote…
How about renaming it 'Old Hobbit' or "Hobbit of Soton" or “English Hobbit” “Local Hobbit” etc, could that be the way around the problem? For short local people still be calling it Hobbit. . Was there not a case over Lotus 7 few years ago, when they challenged some small firm making a similar sports car? Some legal expert on here may shed some light
I am a short local person, so how about we re-name it after another set of spoof books - The Soddit or the Bored of the Rings, both worth a read.
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100%HANTSBOY says...8:09pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood? I smell a publicity stunt here!!
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood?
I smell a publicity stunt here!!100%HANTSBOY
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood? I smell a publicity stunt here!!
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Georgem says...9:05pm Tue 13 Mar 12
100%HANTSBOY wrote…
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood? I smell a publicity stunt here!!
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote:
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood?
I smell a publicity stunt here!![/p][/quote]It's not. The guy's done this before. Google "hungry hobbit cafe", for starters.Georgem
100%HANTSBOY wrote…
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood? I smell a publicity stunt here!!
If it was just a case of the name then I would have more sympathy with the Hobbit, after all it's been the Hobbit for as long as anyone can remember, but with the product names, fonts and images they've clearly crossed a line.
If it was just a case of the name then I would have more sympathy with the Hobbit, after all it's been the Hobbit for as long as anyone can remember, but with the product names, fonts and images they've clearly crossed a line.mr.southampton
If it was just a case of the name then I would have more sympathy with the Hobbit, after all it's been the Hobbit for as long as anyone can remember, but with the product names, fonts and images they've clearly crossed a line.
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Lord Swood says...10:36pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Just rename it "The Obbit"
Just rename it "The Obbit"Lord Swood
Just rename it "The Obbit"
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zarini says...10:45pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Soon any 'fiction name' could be reserved and no reason to waste money try to fight against this legal but absolutely stupid case. How about to rename to 'The Hobb it' we all will be pleased to come to your place?
Soon any 'fiction name' could be reserved and no reason to waste money try to fight against this legal but absolutely stupid case. How about to rename to 'The Hobb it' we all will be pleased to come to your place?zarini
Soon any 'fiction name' could be reserved and no reason to waste money try to fight against this legal but absolutely stupid case. How about to rename to 'The Hobb it' we all will be pleased to come to your place?
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Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...2:10am Wed 14 Mar 12
Cookiecutter wrote…
I can understand the reasoning behind this little problem, but as i see it, it comes down to use was first. Was the movie first or was the pub first to name. If it is the pub then the brewery own the name Hobbit. If its the film then give it back to them who care what the name is. No-one will want to see the film after that so who gets hurt the movie company. My name was given to me over 70 years ago and since then i have found dozens of people using the exact same name all over the world.
I cannot see how the pub has any right to use the word hobbit, or artwork or other materials based on Tolkien's work, unless they have sought the permission of whoever has the rights. The Hobbit pub could hold a competition to come up with a new name?
[quote][p][bold]Cookiecutter[/bold] wrote:
I can understand the reasoning behind this little problem, but as i see it, it comes down to use was first. Was the movie first or was the pub first to name. If it is the pub then the brewery own the name Hobbit. If its the film then give it back to them who care what the name is. No-one will want to see the film after that so who gets hurt the movie company.
My name was given to me over 70 years ago and since then i have found dozens of people using the exact same name all over the world.[/p][/quote]I cannot see how the pub has any right to use the word hobbit, or artwork or other materials based on Tolkien's work, unless they have sought the permission of whoever has the rights.
The Hobbit pub could hold a competition to come up with a new name?Sotonians_lets_pull_together
Cookiecutter wrote…
I can understand the reasoning behind this little problem, but as i see it, it comes down to use was first. Was the movie first or was the pub first to name. If it is the pub then the brewery own the name Hobbit. If its the film then give it back to them who care what the name is. No-one will want to see the film after that so who gets hurt the movie company. My name was given to me over 70 years ago and since then i have found dozens of people using the exact same name all over the world.
I cannot see how the pub has any right to use the word hobbit, or artwork or other materials based on Tolkien's work, unless they have sought the permission of whoever has the rights. The Hobbit pub could hold a competition to come up with a new name?
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Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...2:22am Wed 14 Mar 12
mr.southampton wrote…
If it was just a case of the name then I would have more sympathy with the Hobbit, after all it's been the Hobbit for as long as anyone can remember, but with the product names, fonts and images they've clearly crossed a line.
exactly, what with aragorn cocktails, "one card to bind them all" loyalty cards, logos which includes drawings of actos from the films, Tom Bombadil's open mic night, rhythmdell (one jam to rule them all), cocktails including the gandalf, bilbo, gimli, legolas, frodo, arwen, merry, pippin, sauron, and gollum Anyone who owns the rights to the Tolkiens work, in print, or on film, or for merchandise, must clearly act if they become aware. It's pretty blatant.
[quote][p][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote:
If it was just a case of the name then I would have more sympathy with the Hobbit, after all it's been the Hobbit for as long as anyone can remember, but with the product names, fonts and images they've clearly crossed a line.[/p][/quote]exactly, what with aragorn cocktails, "one card to bind them all" loyalty cards, logos which includes drawings of actos from the films, Tom Bombadil's open mic night, rhythmdell (one jam to rule them all), cocktails including the gandalf, bilbo, gimli, legolas, frodo, arwen, merry, pippin, sauron, and gollum
Anyone who owns the rights to the Tolkiens work, in print, or on film, or for merchandise, must clearly act if they become aware.
It's pretty blatant.Sotonians_lets_pull_together
mr.southampton wrote…
If it was just a case of the name then I would have more sympathy with the Hobbit, after all it's been the Hobbit for as long as anyone can remember, but with the product names, fonts and images they've clearly crossed a line.
exactly, what with aragorn cocktails, "one card to bind them all" loyalty cards, logos which includes drawings of actos from the films, Tom Bombadil's open mic night, rhythmdell (one jam to rule them all), cocktails including the gandalf, bilbo, gimli, legolas, frodo, arwen, merry, pippin, sauron, and gollum Anyone who owns the rights to the Tolkiens work, in print, or on film, or for merchandise, must clearly act if they become aware. It's pretty blatant.
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Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...2:26am Wed 14 Mar 12
How about The Obit (as in obituary) for a new name. No rights on that.... An obit for the Hobbit? Has a nice ring to it as a headline?
How about The Obit (as in obituary) for a new name. No rights on that....
An obit for the Hobbit? Has a nice ring to it as a headline?Sotonians_lets_pull_together
How about The Obit (as in obituary) for a new name. No rights on that.... An obit for the Hobbit? Has a nice ring to it as a headline?
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Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...2:27am Wed 14 Mar 12
Could then have it as a grim reaper themed pub ... close enough to the realm of fantasy to bring the old crowd along...
Could then have it as a grim reaper themed pub ... close enough to the realm of fantasy to bring the old crowd along...Sotonians_lets_pull_together
Could then have it as a grim reaper themed pub ... close enough to the realm of fantasy to bring the old crowd along...
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Torchie1 says...10:06am Wed 14 Mar 12
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
southy wrote…
Chas O'Bursledon wrote…
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.
I think you'll find that Kelloggs own the trademark in food products. Trademarks operate in two ways: 1. You can trademark the design and style of a word for use as a company name, product or service. 2. You can trademark or word for use within a specific field. Either use of a trademark also comes down to context of the usage. E.g. The was a very long running legal dispute between Apple Corps and Apple Computers over the use of Apple (and using an apple for the logo). The short of it is that the first dispute was resolved by a court ruling that because Apple Corps (a music publisher) was the first registered trademark, Apple computers did not have the re-brand provided they remained in the computer electronic industry. The second dispute came about with the release of the iPod, or more importantly iTunes; which due to iTunes being used for the sale (publishing) of music was in breach of the Apple Corps trademark. This was upheld in court with a substantial payout to Apple Corps in order to continue operating in the music publishing industry.
They own the design of Kelloggs brand name, the Kelloggs word can be use even if you producing cornflakes, but they can not copy brand trade name design. Another example is Lotus 7 two firms producing sports cars with the same name, ruling was both can exciss as there trade band name was different with there own unique way of doing Lotus 7
I know there's no point asking you for a reference to this ruling but two firms cannot produce a car with the same name unless they are in agreement. Lotus Cars stopped making the '7' and allowed Caterham Cars to sell their remaining stock before the new Caterham 7 began production. When Graham Nearn bought the rights from Colin Chapman, the name of the car that Lotus produced as the Type 7 changed to Caterham 7. Other companies like Donkervoort and Dax saw legal challenges from Graham Nearn in the early days but it soon became clear that Caterham couldn't stop other companies producing '7' style vehicles. Just to clarify the point, at no time did two companies ever produce and name a vehicle Lotus 7. Before you try to introduce anything else to the argument I should confess that I once worked for Caterham cars which might give me a better insight than you.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AM[/bold] wrote:
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other.
The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it.
I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.[/p][/quote]It's not the word that is in question.
It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?[/p][/quote]The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!![/p][/quote]Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that Kelloggs own the trademark in food products. Trademarks operate in two ways:
1. You can trademark the design and style of a word for use as a company name, product or service.
2. You can trademark or word for use within a specific field.
Either use of a trademark also comes down to context of the usage.
E.g. The was a very long running legal dispute between Apple Corps and Apple Computers over the use of Apple (and using an apple for the logo). The short of it is that the first dispute was resolved by a court ruling that because Apple Corps (a music publisher) was the first registered trademark, Apple computers did not have the re-brand provided they remained in the computer electronic industry. The second dispute came about with the release of the iPod, or more importantly iTunes; which due to iTunes being used for the sale (publishing) of music was in breach of the Apple Corps trademark. This was upheld in court with a substantial payout to Apple Corps in order to continue operating in the music publishing industry.[/p][/quote]They own the design of Kelloggs brand name, the Kelloggs word can be use even if you producing cornflakes, but they can not copy brand trade name design.
Another example is Lotus 7 two firms producing sports cars with the same name, ruling was both can exciss as there trade band name was different with there own unique way of doing Lotus 7[/p][/quote]I know there's no point asking you for a reference to this ruling but two firms cannot produce a car with the same name unless they are in agreement. Lotus Cars stopped making the '7' and allowed Caterham Cars to sell their remaining stock before the new Caterham 7 began production. When Graham Nearn bought the rights from Colin Chapman, the name of the car that Lotus produced as the Type 7 changed to Caterham 7. Other companies like Donkervoort and Dax saw legal challenges from Graham Nearn in the early days but it soon became clear that Caterham couldn't stop other companies producing '7' style vehicles. Just to clarify the point, at no time did two companies ever produce and name a vehicle Lotus 7. Before you try to introduce anything else to the argument I should confess that I once worked for Caterham cars which might give me a better insight than you.Torchie1
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
southy wrote…
Chas O'Bursledon wrote…
Shoong wrote…
AM wrote…
So if a certain type face or style of lettering is used you could be breaching copy right. This means that as the word was already in existence when Tolkien used it, as was the style of lettering/typeface, then Tolkien had possibly already broken copy right with somebody or other. The fact remains the word already existed long before Tolkien used it. I wonder what other words the Americans would like us to pay for before we use them.
It's not the word that is in question. It's called THE HOBBIT with clear indication that the pub uses names & images from copyrighted work. How difficult can it be to understand?
The type face used cannot be the subject of copyright! It is a standard Art Nouveau font. Will they want royalties for us using Times New Roman next? Ludicrous!!!!
Thers all ready been a a court battle over a word, and that was Kelloggs cornflakes, and the other being the engineering firm I think, the ruling was Kelloggs as in Cornflakes could not own the word, but could own the design of the lettering, so the case went against Kelloggs Cornflakes and had to pay up.
I think you'll find that Kelloggs own the trademark in food products. Trademarks operate in two ways: 1. You can trademark the design and style of a word for use as a company name, product or service. 2. You can trademark or word for use within a specific field. Either use of a trademark also comes down to context of the usage. E.g. The was a very long running legal dispute between Apple Corps and Apple Computers over the use of Apple (and using an apple for the logo). The short of it is that the first dispute was resolved by a court ruling that because Apple Corps (a music publisher) was the first registered trademark, Apple computers did not have the re-brand provided they remained in the computer electronic industry. The second dispute came about with the release of the iPod, or more importantly iTunes; which due to iTunes being used for the sale (publishing) of music was in breach of the Apple Corps trademark. This was upheld in court with a substantial payout to Apple Corps in order to continue operating in the music publishing industry.
They own the design of Kelloggs brand name, the Kelloggs word can be use even if you producing cornflakes, but they can not copy brand trade name design. Another example is Lotus 7 two firms producing sports cars with the same name, ruling was both can exciss as there trade band name was different with there own unique way of doing Lotus 7
I know there's no point asking you for a reference to this ruling but two firms cannot produce a car with the same name unless they are in agreement. Lotus Cars stopped making the '7' and allowed Caterham Cars to sell their remaining stock before the new Caterham 7 began production. When Graham Nearn bought the rights from Colin Chapman, the name of the car that Lotus produced as the Type 7 changed to Caterham 7. Other companies like Donkervoort and Dax saw legal challenges from Graham Nearn in the early days but it soon became clear that Caterham couldn't stop other companies producing '7' style vehicles. Just to clarify the point, at no time did two companies ever produce and name a vehicle Lotus 7. Before you try to introduce anything else to the argument I should confess that I once worked for Caterham cars which might give me a better insight than you.
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southy says...10:34am Wed 14 Mar 12
Sotonians_lets_pull_ together Aragorn is a boys name as been for 100's years, so no copy right logos is Ancient Greek meaning to go to ground, so no copy right I could go though the whole list and every thing is a lot older than when Tolkien was born. Pictures and ideas how things should look a lot of them came from drawing dating back to Victorians times and embleished. Maps are from real maps of real places. Tolkien done what most great writers have done, taking old storys, myth and other things and brough it all together. Why do you think the film industry can not sue any one over the drawings of the Alien in the film "Alien" because it is a real creature living in the sea, its a parasite creature that feeds on jelly fish in the Indian Ocean.
Sotonians_lets_pull_
together
Aragorn is a boys name as been for 100's years, so no copy right
logos is Ancient Greek meaning to go to ground, so no copy right
I could go though the whole list and every thing is a lot older than when Tolkien was born.
Pictures and ideas how things should look a lot of them came from drawing dating back to Victorians times and embleished.
Maps are from real maps of real places.
Tolkien done what most great writers have done, taking old storys, myth and other things and brough it all together.
Why do you think the film industry can not sue any one over the drawings of the Alien in the film "Alien" because it is a real creature living in the sea, its a parasite creature that feeds on jelly fish in the Indian Ocean.southy
Sotonians_lets_pull_ together Aragorn is a boys name as been for 100's years, so no copy right logos is Ancient Greek meaning to go to ground, so no copy right I could go though the whole list and every thing is a lot older than when Tolkien was born. Pictures and ideas how things should look a lot of them came from drawing dating back to Victorians times and embleished. Maps are from real maps of real places. Tolkien done what most great writers have done, taking old storys, myth and other things and brough it all together. Why do you think the film industry can not sue any one over the drawings of the Alien in the film "Alien" because it is a real creature living in the sea, its a parasite creature that feeds on jelly fish in the Indian Ocean.
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southy says...10:41am Wed 14 Mar 12
forest hump wrote…
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.
That was the Hobler
Thats the one forest, I can remember that pub being that name before they change it. Hobler is another form of Hobbit from the medieval times
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Icklelady[/bold] wrote: This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.[/p][/quote]The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.[/p][/quote]More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.[/p][/quote]That was the Hobler[/p][/quote]Thats the one forest, I can remember that pub being that name before they change it.
Hobler is another form of Hobbit from the medieval timessouthy
forest hump wrote…
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.
That was the Hobler
Thats the one forest, I can remember that pub being that name before they change it. Hobler is another form of Hobbit from the medieval times
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Huffter says...10:44am Wed 14 Mar 12
Re-name it "The Obit."
Re-name it "The Obit."Huffter
Re-name it "The Obit."
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aberis says...10:47am Wed 14 Mar 12
Georgem wrote…
100%HANTSBOY wrote…
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood? I smell a publicity stunt here!!
Some kind sole on the news report for it on either the Birmingham post or Daily Mail's report on it back in November, very kindly mentioned the existence on this lovely pub ... and believe me, the lawyers dealing with it would have been monitoring all the news reports about the Hungry Hobbit ...
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote:
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood?
I smell a publicity stunt here!![/p][/quote]It's not. The guy's done this before. Google "hungry hobbit cafe", for starters.[/p][/quote]Some kind sole on the news report for it on either the Birmingham post or Daily Mail's report on it back in November, very kindly mentioned the existence on this lovely pub ...
and believe me, the lawyers dealing with it would have been monitoring all the news reports about the Hungry Hobbit ...aberis
Georgem wrote…
100%HANTSBOY wrote…
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood? I smell a publicity stunt here!!
Some kind sole on the news report for it on either the Birmingham post or Daily Mail's report on it back in November, very kindly mentioned the existence on this lovely pub ... and believe me, the lawyers dealing with it would have been monitoring all the news reports about the Hungry Hobbit ...
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voiceinthecrowd says...10:56am Wed 14 Mar 12
As a writer if any one used any name I created and produced memorabelia with that on I would quite happily sue. However I would not object to a Pub say using the name and coming to an agreement if approached. There should always be compromise. We must learn to talk this world needs to realise that.
As a writer if any one used any name I created and produced memorabelia with that on I would quite happily sue.
However I would not object to a Pub say using the name and coming to an agreement if approached.
There should always be compromise.
We must learn to talk this world needs to realise that.voiceinthecrowd
As a writer if any one used any name I created and produced memorabelia with that on I would quite happily sue. However I would not object to a Pub say using the name and coming to an agreement if approached. There should always be compromise. We must learn to talk this world needs to realise that.
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Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...10:57am Wed 14 Mar 12
Beer Monster wrote…
It's certainly more to do with the promotional side - Hobbits pub in Hythe has various LotR memorabilia inside, but draws the line at promos, so has been left untarnished
I doubt that the copyright owner has come across the one in Hythe yet, that's all... if it also uses Lord of the Rings Memorabilia, that would look to be pretty open and shut too? It can easily be found on the web, so I wouldnt be surprised if it gets a letter too: http://www.hythe-new forest.org/hobbits.h tml Hobbits Restaurant & Bar 6b High Street Hythe 02380 848524 This is exactly why the copyright owner needs to act, as otherwise it is a free for all, and it damages their rights
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote:
It's certainly more to do with the promotional side - Hobbits pub in Hythe has various LotR memorabilia inside, but draws the line at promos, so has been left untarnished[/p][/quote]I doubt that the copyright owner has come across the one in Hythe yet, that's all... if it also uses Lord of the Rings Memorabilia, that would look to be pretty open and shut too?
It can easily be found on the web, so I wouldnt be surprised if it gets a letter too:
http://www.hythe-new
forest.org/hobbits.h
tml
Hobbits Restaurant & Bar
6b High Street
Hythe
02380 848524
This is exactly why the copyright owner needs to act, as otherwise it is a free for all, and it damages their rightsSotonians_lets_pull_together
Beer Monster wrote…
It's certainly more to do with the promotional side - Hobbits pub in Hythe has various LotR memorabilia inside, but draws the line at promos, so has been left untarnished
I doubt that the copyright owner has come across the one in Hythe yet, that's all... if it also uses Lord of the Rings Memorabilia, that would look to be pretty open and shut too? It can easily be found on the web, so I wouldnt be surprised if it gets a letter too: http://www.hythe-new forest.org/hobbits.h tml Hobbits Restaurant & Bar 6b High Street Hythe 02380 848524 This is exactly why the copyright owner needs to act, as otherwise it is a free for all, and it damages their rights
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Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...11:01am Wed 14 Mar 12
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
As a writer if any one used any name I created and produced memorabelia with that on I would quite happily sue. However I would not object to a Pub say using the name and coming to an agreement if approached. There should always be compromise. We must learn to talk this world needs to realise that.
As a copyright owner it would be your choice. Just as it is someone else's choice to not allow the use where they have the rights. The pub can ask, but I dont see any basis on which it can insist. .
[quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote:
As a writer if any one used any name I created and produced memorabelia with that on I would quite happily sue.
However I would not object to a Pub say using the name and coming to an agreement if approached.
There should always be compromise.
We must learn to talk this world needs to realise that.[/p][/quote]As a copyright owner it would be your choice. Just as it is someone else's choice to not allow the use where they have the rights.
The pub can ask, but I dont see any basis on which it can insist. .Sotonians_lets_pull_together
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
As a writer if any one used any name I created and produced memorabelia with that on I would quite happily sue. However I would not object to a Pub say using the name and coming to an agreement if approached. There should always be compromise. We must learn to talk this world needs to realise that.
As a copyright owner it would be your choice. Just as it is someone else's choice to not allow the use where they have the rights. The pub can ask, but I dont see any basis on which it can insist. .
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Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...11:03am Wed 14 Mar 12
aberis wrote…
Georgem wrote…
100%HANTSBOY wrote…
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood? I smell a publicity stunt here!!
Some kind sole on the news report for it on either the Birmingham post or Daily Mail's report on it back in November, very kindly mentioned the existence on this lovely pub ... and believe me, the lawyers dealing with it would have been monitoring all the news reports about the Hungry Hobbit ...
Exactly, the lawyers for the copyright owners will obviously be doing lots of web searches in the run up to release of a major film. Any businesses out there using the name Hobbit will be found pretty quickly in the next few months I would have thought.
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote:
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood?
I smell a publicity stunt here!![/p][/quote]It's not. The guy's done this before. Google "hungry hobbit cafe", for starters.[/p][/quote]Some kind sole on the news report for it on either the Birmingham post or Daily Mail's report on it back in November, very kindly mentioned the existence on this lovely pub ...
and believe me, the lawyers dealing with it would have been monitoring all the news reports about the Hungry Hobbit ...[/p][/quote]Exactly, the lawyers for the copyright owners will obviously be doing lots of web searches in the run up to release of a major film.
Any businesses out there using the name Hobbit will be found pretty quickly in the next few months I would have thought.Sotonians_lets_pull_together
aberis wrote…
Georgem wrote…
100%HANTSBOY wrote…
Who told Hollywood about a small student pub in Portswood? I smell a publicity stunt here!!
Some kind sole on the news report for it on either the Birmingham post or Daily Mail's report on it back in November, very kindly mentioned the existence on this lovely pub ... and believe me, the lawyers dealing with it would have been monitoring all the news reports about the Hungry Hobbit ...
Exactly, the lawyers for the copyright owners will obviously be doing lots of web searches in the run up to release of a major film. Any businesses out there using the name Hobbit will be found pretty quickly in the next few months I would have thought.
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voiceinthecrowd says...11:18am Wed 14 Mar 12
The Question really comes down to WHY DID PUB CHOOSE THAT NAME AND SELL T SHIRTS ETC Surely the answer is there PROFIT Not that I am blaming them for trying, but what did they expect would happen. If you let one get away with it then its a FREE FOR ALL and the hard work and cash sunk into film, book, art etc is lost. Just imagine say you found at the end of the week you had a deduction in your wages you would go mad.
The Question really comes down to WHY DID PUB CHOOSE THAT NAME AND SELL T SHIRTS ETC
Surely the answer is there
PROFIT
Not that I am blaming them for trying, but what did they expect would happen.
If you let one get away with it then its a FREE FOR ALL and the hard work and cash sunk into film, book, art etc is lost.
Just imagine say you found at the end of the week you had a deduction in your wages you would go mad.voiceinthecrowd
The Question really comes down to WHY DID PUB CHOOSE THAT NAME AND SELL T SHIRTS ETC Surely the answer is there PROFIT Not that I am blaming them for trying, but what did they expect would happen. If you let one get away with it then its a FREE FOR ALL and the hard work and cash sunk into film, book, art etc is lost. Just imagine say you found at the end of the week you had a deduction in your wages you would go mad.
They could be able to call the pub Gandalf's "Indeed, the names of many of the dwarves, and even the name of Gandalf himself, appears at one point or another in The Elder Edda." http://www.tolkien-o nline.com/tolkien-an d-mythology.html
They could be able to call the pub Gandalf's
"Indeed, the names of many of the dwarves, and even the name of Gandalf himself, appears at one point or another in The Elder Edda."
http://www.tolkien-o
nline.com/tolkien-an
d-mythology.htmlSotonians_lets_pull_together
They could be able to call the pub Gandalf's "Indeed, the names of many of the dwarves, and even the name of Gandalf himself, appears at one point or another in The Elder Edda." http://www.tolkien-o nline.com/tolkien-an d-mythology.html
The trademark laws in the US are different to the UK. If the businesses in the US can demonstrate that they were an established business (trading for 2+ years) prior to the application for the trademarks in 2002 and 2011; they can more often than not continue to trade under that name.
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_
together[/bold] wrote:
There are others, eg
A restaurant in California:
http://hobbitrestaur
ant.com/page.aspx?pg
id=2
The Hobbit Hotel in Sowerby Bridge
http://www.hobbithot
el.co.uk/
The Hobbit Bistro in Quebec..
http://www.hobbitbis
tro.com/
Hobbit Restaurant in Rivendell, Ocean City, Maryland
The Hobbit Cafe in Houston
http://www.myhobbitc
afe.com/
Grill de Hobbit in Belgium
El Viejo Hobbit, Villa Gesell
Hobbit House, Manila
Hobbit, Darmstadt
The Hobbit, Teignmouth
Cafe Le Hobbit, Quebec City
Hobbit American Grill, Tallahassee
Hobbit Hoagies Westwood, Pensacola
Hobbit House, Vancouver
Rivendell Restaurant and Gardens San Marcos, Texas
It only takes five minutes to do a web search, you can be sure the copyright owners will be doing so.[/p][/quote]The trademark laws in the US are different to the UK. If the businesses in the US can demonstrate that they were an established business (trading for 2+ years) prior to the application for the trademarks in 2002 and 2011; they can more often than not continue to trade under that name.aberis
The trademark laws in the US are different to the UK. If the businesses in the US can demonstrate that they were an established business (trading for 2+ years) prior to the application for the trademarks in 2002 and 2011; they can more often than not continue to trade under that name.
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Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...11:36am Wed 14 Mar 12
Maybe they could argue that the author intended it to be public property, a mythology for England.... and therefore the copyright should be held to be unenforceable? See this quote: http://www.tolkien-o nline.com/tolkien-an d-mythology.html Tolkien had great interest, as he once wrote to a reader, “in mythological invention, and the mystery of literary creation”. As a scholar of mythology, Tolkien was also quite aware, as he went on to write in the same letter, that “[England] had no stories of its own, not of the quality that I sought, and found in legends of other lands”. Many understood this comment to mean that Tolkien had undertaken the writing of The Lord of the Rings and the rest of his Middle-earth mythology on the basis of creating a “mythology for England”. Perhaps they could argue that the original creation of the word hobbit was not that of Tolkien... that there was prior art evidenced by Tolkien himself... "Hobbits are perhaps JRR Tolkien’s most popular and original creation. As the legend goes, one day in 1928, while grading papers, Tolkien found a student “had mercifully left one of the pages with no writing on it…and I wrote on it: ‘In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit.’ Names always generate a story in my mind…I thought I’d better find out what hobbits were like” (Letters of JRR Tolkien pg. 215)" http://www.tolkien-o nline.com/hobbits.ht ml
Maybe they could argue that the author intended it to be public property, a mythology for England.... and therefore the copyright should be held to be unenforceable?
See this quote:
http://www.tolkien-o
nline.com/tolkien-an
d-mythology.html
Tolkien had great interest, as he once wrote to a reader, “in mythological invention, and the mystery of literary creation”. As a scholar of mythology, Tolkien was also quite aware, as he went on to write in the same letter, that “[England] had no stories of its own, not of the quality that I sought, and found in legends of other lands”.
Many understood this comment to mean that Tolkien had undertaken the writing of The Lord of the Rings and the rest of his Middle-earth mythology on the basis of creating a “mythology for England”.
Perhaps they could argue that the original creation of the word hobbit was not that of Tolkien... that there was prior art evidenced by Tolkien himself...
"Hobbits are perhaps JRR Tolkien’s most popular and original creation. As the legend goes, one day in 1928, while grading papers, Tolkien found a student
“had mercifully left one of the pages with no writing on it…and I wrote on it: ‘In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit.’ Names always generate a story in my mind…I thought I’d better find out what hobbits were like” (Letters of JRR Tolkien pg. 215)"
http://www.tolkien-o
nline.com/hobbits.ht
mlSotonians_lets_pull_together
Maybe they could argue that the author intended it to be public property, a mythology for England.... and therefore the copyright should be held to be unenforceable? See this quote: http://www.tolkien-o nline.com/tolkien-an d-mythology.html Tolkien had great interest, as he once wrote to a reader, “in mythological invention, and the mystery of literary creation”. As a scholar of mythology, Tolkien was also quite aware, as he went on to write in the same letter, that “[England] had no stories of its own, not of the quality that I sought, and found in legends of other lands”. Many understood this comment to mean that Tolkien had undertaken the writing of The Lord of the Rings and the rest of his Middle-earth mythology on the basis of creating a “mythology for England”. Perhaps they could argue that the original creation of the word hobbit was not that of Tolkien... that there was prior art evidenced by Tolkien himself... "Hobbits are perhaps JRR Tolkien’s most popular and original creation. As the legend goes, one day in 1928, while grading papers, Tolkien found a student “had mercifully left one of the pages with no writing on it…and I wrote on it: ‘In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit.’ Names always generate a story in my mind…I thought I’d better find out what hobbits were like” (Letters of JRR Tolkien pg. 215)" http://www.tolkien-o nline.com/hobbits.ht ml
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Torchie1 says...11:53am Wed 14 Mar 12
southy wrote…
forest hump wrote…
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.
That was the Hobler
Thats the one forest, I can remember that pub being that name before they change it. Hobler is another form of Hobbit from the medieval times
The Hobler is still called The Hobler and when Pip Stevens bought it as The New Inn he chose a name associated with horses. A Hobler is an old name for someone who looked after horses according to Pip who I assume would have cleared it with you first rather than risk making a mistake.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Icklelady[/bold] wrote: This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.[/p][/quote]The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.[/p][/quote]More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.[/p][/quote]That was the Hobler[/p][/quote]Thats the one forest, I can remember that pub being that name before they change it.
Hobler is another form of Hobbit from the medieval times[/p][/quote]The Hobler is still called The Hobler and when Pip Stevens bought it as The New Inn he chose a name associated with horses. A Hobler is an old name for someone who looked after horses according to Pip who I assume would have cleared it with you first rather than risk making a mistake.Torchie1
southy wrote…
forest hump wrote…
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.
That was the Hobler
Thats the one forest, I can remember that pub being that name before they change it. Hobler is another form of Hobbit from the medieval times
The Hobler is still called The Hobler and when Pip Stevens bought it as The New Inn he chose a name associated with horses. A Hobler is an old name for someone who looked after horses according to Pip who I assume would have cleared it with you first rather than risk making a mistake.
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McCalliogStokesGoal! says...1:00pm Wed 14 Mar 12
Crazywolf wrote…
They should just change their name. to something like.. Hollywood Greed
Now that is a GREAT idea!!
[quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote:
They should just change their name. to something like.. Hollywood Greed[/p][/quote]Now that is a GREAT idea!!McCalliogStokesGoal!
Crazywolf wrote…
They should just change their name. to something like.. Hollywood Greed
Now that is a GREAT idea!!
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Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...3:04pm Wed 14 Mar 12
The only source known today that makes reference to hobbits in any sort of historical context is the Denham Tracts by Michael Aislabie Denham. More specifically, it appears in the Denham Tracts, edited by James Hardy, (London: Folklore Society, 1895), vol. 2, the second part of a two-volume set compiled from Denham's publications between 1846 and 1859. The text contains a long list of sprites and bogies, based on an older list, the Discovery of Witchcraft, dated 1584, with many additions and a few repetitions. The term hobbit is listed in the context of boggleboes, bogies, redmen, portunes, grants, hobbits, hobgoblins, brown-men, cowies, dunnies In the December 2003 Oxford English Dictionary newsletter, in the "Words of Choice" section, the following appears: 4. hobbit — J. R. R. Tolkien modestly claimed not to have coined this word, although the Supplement to the OED credited him with the invention of it in the absence of further evidence. It seems, however, that Tolkien was right to be cautious. It has since turned up in one of those 19th-century folklore journals, in a list of long-forgotten words for fairy-folk or little people. It seems likely that Tolkien, with his interest in folklore, read this and subconsciously registered the name, reviving it many years later in his most famous character. [Editor's note: although revision of the OED's entry for hobbit will of course take this evidence for earlier use into account, it does not yet appear in the online version of the entry.] http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Hobbit_%28w ord%29
The only source known today that makes reference to hobbits in any sort of historical context is the Denham Tracts by Michael Aislabie Denham. More specifically, it appears in the Denham Tracts, edited by James Hardy, (London: Folklore Society, 1895), vol. 2, the second part of a two-volume set compiled from Denham's publications between 1846 and 1859.
The text contains a long list of sprites and bogies, based on an older list, the Discovery of Witchcraft, dated 1584, with many additions and a few repetitions. The term hobbit is listed in the context of
boggleboes, bogies, redmen, portunes, grants, hobbits, hobgoblins, brown-men, cowies, dunnies
In the December 2003 Oxford English Dictionary newsletter, in the "Words of Choice" section, the following appears:
4. hobbit — J. R. R. Tolkien modestly claimed not to have coined this word, although the Supplement to the OED credited him with the invention of it in the absence of further evidence. It seems, however, that Tolkien was right to be cautious. It has since turned up in one of those 19th-century folklore journals, in a list of long-forgotten words for fairy-folk or little people. It seems likely that Tolkien, with his interest in folklore, read this and subconsciously registered the name, reviving it many years later in his most famous character. [Editor's note: although revision of the OED's entry for hobbit will of course take this evidence for earlier use into account, it does not yet appear in the online version of the entry.]
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Hobbit_%28w
ord%29Sotonians_lets_pull_together
The only source known today that makes reference to hobbits in any sort of historical context is the Denham Tracts by Michael Aislabie Denham. More specifically, it appears in the Denham Tracts, edited by James Hardy, (London: Folklore Society, 1895), vol. 2, the second part of a two-volume set compiled from Denham's publications between 1846 and 1859. The text contains a long list of sprites and bogies, based on an older list, the Discovery of Witchcraft, dated 1584, with many additions and a few repetitions. The term hobbit is listed in the context of boggleboes, bogies, redmen, portunes, grants, hobbits, hobgoblins, brown-men, cowies, dunnies In the December 2003 Oxford English Dictionary newsletter, in the "Words of Choice" section, the following appears: 4. hobbit — J. R. R. Tolkien modestly claimed not to have coined this word, although the Supplement to the OED credited him with the invention of it in the absence of further evidence. It seems, however, that Tolkien was right to be cautious. It has since turned up in one of those 19th-century folklore journals, in a list of long-forgotten words for fairy-folk or little people. It seems likely that Tolkien, with his interest in folklore, read this and subconsciously registered the name, reviving it many years later in his most famous character. [Editor's note: although revision of the OED's entry for hobbit will of course take this evidence for earlier use into account, it does not yet appear in the online version of the entry.] http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Hobbit_%28w ord%29
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bigfella777 says...3:16pm Wed 14 Mar 12
Why dont they just call it "The Halfling" or something or better still close the dump down.
Why dont they just call it "The Halfling" or something or better still close the dump down.bigfella777
Why dont they just call it "The Halfling" or something or better still close the dump down.
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southy says...5:18pm Wed 14 Mar 12
Torchie1 wrote…
southy wrote…
forest hump wrote…
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.
That was the Hobler
Thats the one forest, I can remember that pub being that name before they change it. Hobler is another form of Hobbit from the medieval times
The Hobler is still called The Hobler and when Pip Stevens bought it as The New Inn he chose a name associated with horses. A Hobler is an old name for someone who looked after horses according to Pip who I assume would have cleared it with you first rather than risk making a mistake.
There you go a tradesman boils down to the same thing, its oner time do things change like spelling or description.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]aberis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Icklelady[/bold] wrote: This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.[/p][/quote]The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.[/p][/quote]More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.[/p][/quote]That was the Hobler[/p][/quote]Thats the one forest, I can remember that pub being that name before they change it.
Hobler is another form of Hobbit from the medieval times[/p][/quote]The Hobler is still called The Hobler and when Pip Stevens bought it as The New Inn he chose a name associated with horses. A Hobler is an old name for someone who looked after horses according to Pip who I assume would have cleared it with you first rather than risk making a mistake.[/p][/quote]There you go a tradesman boils down to the same thing, its oner time do things change like spelling or description.southy
Torchie1 wrote…
southy wrote…
forest hump wrote…
southy wrote…
aberis wrote…
Icklelady wrote…
This is just greed. The Hobbit is a lovely pub which has been running under that name for years. Has he owned the rights longer than The Hobbit has been around? Either way, whatever happens, I won't be seeing this new film.
The Saul Zaentz Company applied for their first trademark for the use of The Hobbit in 2002. There is a restaurant in the Texas called "The Hobbit Cafe" which was established in 1973 and has kept it's name because the use pre-dates any trademark application on the name. The trademark applications were made in 2002 and 2011; don't know if the UK has the same trademark laws.
More or less the same, there also use to be a Hobbit near Lymington.
That was the Hobler
Thats the one forest, I can remember that pub being that name before they change it. Hobler is another form of Hobbit from the medieval times
The Hobler is still called The Hobler and when Pip Stevens bought it as The New Inn he chose a name associated with horses. A Hobler is an old name for someone who looked after horses according to Pip who I assume would have cleared it with you first rather than risk making a mistake.
There you go a tradesman boils down to the same thing, its oner time do things change like spelling or description.
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southy says...5:23pm Wed 14 Mar 12
Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote…
The only source known today that makes reference to hobbits in any sort of historical context is the Denham Tracts by Michael Aislabie Denham. More specifically, it appears in the Denham Tracts, edited by James Hardy, (London: Folklore Society, 1895), vol. 2, the second part of a two-volume set compiled from Denham's publications between 1846 and 1859. The text contains a long list of sprites and bogies, based on an older list, the Discovery of Witchcraft, dated 1584, with many additions and a few repetitions. The term hobbit is listed in the context of boggleboes, bogies, redmen, portunes, grants, hobbits, hobgoblins, brown-men, cowies, dunnies In the December 2003 Oxford English Dictionary newsletter, in the "Words of Choice" section, the following appears: 4. hobbit — J. R. R. Tolkien modestly claimed not to have coined this word, although the Supplement to the OED credited him with the invention of it in the absence of further evidence. It seems, however, that Tolkien was right to be cautious. It has since turned up in one of those 19th-century folklore journals, in a list of long-forgotten words for fairy-folk or little people. It seems likely that Tolkien, with his interest in folklore, read this and subconsciously registered the name, reviving it many years later in his most famous character. [Editor's note: although revision of the OED's entry for hobbit will of course take this evidence for earlier use into account, it does not yet appear in the online version of the entry.] http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Hobbit_%28w ord%29
As a small person, but where did he get the idea from, to find that out its books time and not the internet
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_
together[/bold] wrote:
The only source known today that makes reference to hobbits in any sort of historical context is the Denham Tracts by Michael Aislabie Denham. More specifically, it appears in the Denham Tracts, edited by James Hardy, (London: Folklore Society, 1895), vol. 2, the second part of a two-volume set compiled from Denham's publications between 1846 and 1859.
The text contains a long list of sprites and bogies, based on an older list, the Discovery of Witchcraft, dated 1584, with many additions and a few repetitions. The term hobbit is listed in the context of
boggleboes, bogies, redmen, portunes, grants, hobbits, hobgoblins, brown-men, cowies, dunnies
In the December 2003 Oxford English Dictionary newsletter, in the "Words of Choice" section, the following appears:
4. hobbit — J. R. R. Tolkien modestly claimed not to have coined this word, although the Supplement to the OED credited him with the invention of it in the absence of further evidence. It seems, however, that Tolkien was right to be cautious. It has since turned up in one of those 19th-century folklore journals, in a list of long-forgotten words for fairy-folk or little people. It seems likely that Tolkien, with his interest in folklore, read this and subconsciously registered the name, reviving it many years later in his most famous character. [Editor's note: although revision of the OED's entry for hobbit will of course take this evidence for earlier use into account, it does not yet appear in the online version of the entry.]
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ord%29[/p][/quote]As a small person, but where did he get the idea from, to find that out its books time and not the internetsouthy
Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote…
The only source known today that makes reference to hobbits in any sort of historical context is the Denham Tracts by Michael Aislabie Denham. More specifically, it appears in the Denham Tracts, edited by James Hardy, (London: Folklore Society, 1895), vol. 2, the second part of a two-volume set compiled from Denham's publications between 1846 and 1859. The text contains a long list of sprites and bogies, based on an older list, the Discovery of Witchcraft, dated 1584, with many additions and a few repetitions. The term hobbit is listed in the context of boggleboes, bogies, redmen, portunes, grants, hobbits, hobgoblins, brown-men, cowies, dunnies In the December 2003 Oxford English Dictionary newsletter, in the "Words of Choice" section, the following appears: 4. hobbit — J. R. R. Tolkien modestly claimed not to have coined this word, although the Supplement to the OED credited him with the invention of it in the absence of further evidence. It seems, however, that Tolkien was right to be cautious. It has since turned up in one of those 19th-century folklore journals, in a list of long-forgotten words for fairy-folk or little people. It seems likely that Tolkien, with his interest in folklore, read this and subconsciously registered the name, reviving it many years later in his most famous character. [Editor's note: although revision of the OED's entry for hobbit will of course take this evidence for earlier use into account, it does not yet appear in the online version of the entry.] http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Hobbit_%28w ord%29
As a small person, but where did he get the idea from, to find that out its books time and not the internet
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macogan says...4:20am Thu 15 Mar 12
This pub should change it's name and all there promotional material they have broken loads of INTERNATIONAL copyright laws they can't play dum to the fact they have ripped off this book & films they have clearly decided not to pay royalties and this has now come back to bite them on there little hobbit behinds.
This pub should change it's name and all there promotional material they have broken loads of INTERNATIONAL copyright laws they can't play dum to the fact they have ripped off this book & films they have clearly decided not to pay royalties and this has now come back to bite them on there little hobbit behinds.macogan
This pub should change it's name and all there promotional material they have broken loads of INTERNATIONAL copyright laws they can't play dum to the fact they have ripped off this book & films they have clearly decided not to pay royalties and this has now come back to bite them on there little hobbit behinds.
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Tirau Dan says...5:10am Thu 15 Mar 12
I live 15mins from the Hobbiton film set which nets the town of Matamata, New Zealand a few bob in tourist bucks. The set tours are expensive and exclusive. the land owners have a shop/cafe and buses from town to the set. No cars are allowed, you can't just call in. No other shops in town have logos fonts or names from the books or films.. Some go close. The Couple that own the set we understand paid a lot of money for the rights and have a lot of constraints to live by. Exclusivity is everything. Make one exception and thousands will pop up. The answer here is in the origin of the hobbit as a fairy tale creature in common use. The use of the fonts names and everything else are controlled by the copyright owner. I do believe in copyright ownership and need to ask if the pub asked the Tolkien trust before setting up? That said.. Newline, Saul Zaentz through Tolkien Enterprises etc have a rep for being heavy handed.. They've been sued by The Tolkien Trust and by Peter Jackson over ripping them off re payments. I'd love it if it turned out that they had no right to exclusive use of the Hobbits or the fonts or other creatures written about. Steven Fry who is in The Hobbit has now come out stating support for the pub and expressed his shame at this case. Good on him. Maybe we could start a Harry Potters Magical Emporium chain in NZ. The books were not very original but ppl like em.
I live 15mins from the Hobbiton film set which nets the town of Matamata, New Zealand a few bob in tourist bucks. The set tours are expensive and exclusive. the land owners have a shop/cafe and buses from town to the set. No cars are allowed, you can't just call in. No other shops in town have logos fonts or names from the books or films.. Some go close. The Couple that own the set we understand paid a lot of money for the rights and have a lot of constraints to live by. Exclusivity is everything. Make one exception and thousands will pop up.
The answer here is in the origin of the hobbit as a fairy tale creature in common use. The use of the fonts names and everything else are controlled by the copyright owner.
I do believe in copyright ownership and need to ask if the pub asked the Tolkien trust before setting up?
That said.. Newline, Saul Zaentz through Tolkien Enterprises etc have a rep for being heavy handed.. They've been sued by The Tolkien Trust and by Peter Jackson over ripping them off re payments.
I'd love it if it turned out that they had no right to exclusive use of the Hobbits or the fonts or other creatures written about.
Steven Fry who is in The Hobbit has now come out stating support for the pub and expressed his shame at this case. Good on him.
Maybe we could start a Harry Potters Magical Emporium chain in NZ. The books were not very original but ppl like em.Tirau Dan
I live 15mins from the Hobbiton film set which nets the town of Matamata, New Zealand a few bob in tourist bucks. The set tours are expensive and exclusive. the land owners have a shop/cafe and buses from town to the set. No cars are allowed, you can't just call in. No other shops in town have logos fonts or names from the books or films.. Some go close. The Couple that own the set we understand paid a lot of money for the rights and have a lot of constraints to live by. Exclusivity is everything. Make one exception and thousands will pop up. The answer here is in the origin of the hobbit as a fairy tale creature in common use. The use of the fonts names and everything else are controlled by the copyright owner. I do believe in copyright ownership and need to ask if the pub asked the Tolkien trust before setting up? That said.. Newline, Saul Zaentz through Tolkien Enterprises etc have a rep for being heavy handed.. They've been sued by The Tolkien Trust and by Peter Jackson over ripping them off re payments. I'd love it if it turned out that they had no right to exclusive use of the Hobbits or the fonts or other creatures written about. Steven Fry who is in The Hobbit has now come out stating support for the pub and expressed his shame at this case. Good on him. Maybe we could start a Harry Potters Magical Emporium chain in NZ. The books were not very original but ppl like em.
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City Saint says...5:51am Thu 15 Mar 12
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
The Question really comes down to WHY DID PUB CHOOSE THAT NAME AND SELL T SHIRTS ETC Surely the answer is there PROFIT Not that I am blaming them for trying, but what did they expect would happen. If you let one get away with it then its a FREE FOR ALL and the hard work and cash sunk into film, book, art etc is lost. Just imagine say you found at the end of the week you had a deduction in your wages you would go mad.
I knew the management well back in the early 90s. The pub was named when lord of the rings was still just a popular book among the jaded generations, and certainly not a billion dollar movie business. Tolkien was, and still is, an anti-hero for generations of slightly nerdy students and young adults. So the name of the pub was a knowing wink in the direction of people who like reading extremely long and involved fictionalized histories of orcs, halflings and so on. Frankly, when it was named, it was as much about keeping out Townies (now there's a word for you from the Eighties) and inviting in the uncool, and often unwashed, students living in beavois valley and portswood. It was not a name chosen with a cynical view to making lots of money off the back of the rather brilliant and certainly successful Hollywood films.
[quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote:
The Question really comes down to WHY DID PUB CHOOSE THAT NAME AND SELL T SHIRTS ETC
Surely the answer is there
PROFIT
Not that I am blaming them for trying, but what did they expect would happen.
If you let one get away with it then its a FREE FOR ALL and the hard work and cash sunk into film, book, art etc is lost.
Just imagine say you found at the end of the week you had a deduction in your wages you would go mad.[/p][/quote]I knew the management well back in the early 90s. The pub was named when lord of the rings was still just a popular book among the jaded generations, and certainly not a billion dollar movie business. Tolkien was, and still is, an anti-hero for generations of slightly nerdy students and young adults. So the name of the pub was a knowing wink in the direction of people who like reading extremely long and involved fictionalized histories of orcs, halflings and so on. Frankly, when it was named, it was as much about keeping out Townies (now there's a word for you from the Eighties) and inviting in the uncool, and often unwashed, students living in beavois valley and portswood. It was not a name chosen with a cynical view to making lots of money off the back of the rather brilliant and certainly successful Hollywood films.City Saint
voiceinthecrowd wrote…
The Question really comes down to WHY DID PUB CHOOSE THAT NAME AND SELL T SHIRTS ETC Surely the answer is there PROFIT Not that I am blaming them for trying, but what did they expect would happen. If you let one get away with it then its a FREE FOR ALL and the hard work and cash sunk into film, book, art etc is lost. Just imagine say you found at the end of the week you had a deduction in your wages you would go mad.
I knew the management well back in the early 90s. The pub was named when lord of the rings was still just a popular book among the jaded generations, and certainly not a billion dollar movie business. Tolkien was, and still is, an anti-hero for generations of slightly nerdy students and young adults. So the name of the pub was a knowing wink in the direction of people who like reading extremely long and involved fictionalized histories of orcs, halflings and so on. Frankly, when it was named, it was as much about keeping out Townies (now there's a word for you from the Eighties) and inviting in the uncool, and often unwashed, students living in beavois valley and portswood. It was not a name chosen with a cynical view to making lots of money off the back of the rather brilliant and certainly successful Hollywood films.
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philpeel says...10:39am Thu 15 Mar 12
sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
Actually the name "The Hobbit" was registered as a trademark but only fairly recently http://www.ipo.gov.u k/domestic?domesticn um=2462911 more info on the background to this story on http://www.philpeel. com/2012/03/hollywoo d-v-local-hobbit-pub -the-background/
[quote][p][bold]sherinsul[/bold] wrote:
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous[/p][/quote]Actually the name "The Hobbit" was registered as a trademark but only fairly recently http://www.ipo.gov.u
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sherinsul wrote…
how can the the pub change its name, the pub was here LONG before 'JRR Tolkeins' films ever were made.Its ridiculous
Actually the name "The Hobbit" was registered as a trademark but only fairly recently http://www.ipo.gov.u k/domestic?domesticn um=2462911 more info on the background to this story on http://www.philpeel. com/2012/03/hollywoo d-v-local-hobbit-pub -the-background/
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ramptonfromsouthampton says...12:59pm Thu 15 Mar 12
So many tw*ts posting here in support of the Hollywood company's stance. So what if the pub has chosen a theme that attracts customers to use the place. Its not exactly threatening the success of the film is it? For those spiteful types here who have either got a grudge to bear or are just being pompous bombastic know-it-alls, haven't you got something better to do with your time? Some of you could be making better use of the energy you are wasting here.
So many tw*ts posting here in support of the Hollywood company's stance. So what if the pub has chosen a theme that attracts customers to use the place. Its not exactly threatening the success of the film is it? For those spiteful types here who have either got a grudge to bear or are just being pompous bombastic know-it-alls, haven't you got something better to do with your time? Some of you could be making better use of the energy you are wasting here.ramptonfromsouthampton
So many tw*ts posting here in support of the Hollywood company's stance. So what if the pub has chosen a theme that attracts customers to use the place. Its not exactly threatening the success of the film is it? For those spiteful types here who have either got a grudge to bear or are just being pompous bombastic know-it-alls, haven't you got something better to do with your time? Some of you could be making better use of the energy you are wasting here.
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Highest calorie nutritionally dense foods for new mom
I'm looking for ways to up my calories without sacrificing nutrition. I'm a new mom, and my boyfriend has gone back to work and I'm finding it difficult to eat enough while trying to take care of a 6 week old baby. I mostly end up buying lots of cold cut meat and deli cheese because I can eat it with 1 hand and doesn't require cooking.
Obviously that's not ideal and I'm missing out on nutrition.
I need some foods that are super nutritionally dense and also quite calorie heavy as I don't have time to eat!
Would it be worth it to invest in a high quality protein powder for smoothies? I know it's not exactly in line with paleo principles, but it's still healthier than getting take-out when I'm pressed for time.
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avocados, eggs, and grass-fed meat (especially liver) are a few that come to mind.
Also, sweet potatoes and yogurt (if you tolerate dairy).
Try making a smoothie with vitamin-rich plants like kale or berries, and add coconut milk, and egg yolks or some avocado. Frozen fruits and veggies work well for this and are convenient as well.
dark leafy greens (precut some spinach or romaine and other greens, rinse, dry, put in a container for future meals. I make a homade dressing by 2cups, pre-slice tomatoes, precook bacon, and preboil eggs. keep it all inn the refrigerator and make a quick bite whenever you are hungry)
pork/bacon - great nutrition, enough fat, precook it all and heat or eat cold
Potatoe fries. There are purple potatoes... regular yams. These two are my favorite but there are also regular sweet potatoes, regular potatoes, Purple yams... small red ones... stik with the first two though because those, I think, have more nutritional value.
My strategy is to take the standard suspects of vegetables and sautee them in a hefty amount of whatever fat/oil you prefer. In my case it is a LOT of onion, kale, spinach, brussel sprouts, carrots and green chile cooked in several tbsp of coconut oil in a huge wok. Add in bell peppers, mushrooms or whatever else I happen to have on hand. Top off with several globs of sour cream (I do dairy, but guacamole would probably be a fantastic substitute). Salt and pepper to taste.
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Instagram Stories are coming to the web
Instagram Stories, its Snapchat clone now used by daily more people than Snapchat itself, is coming to the web. Initially, the feature will allow desktop and mobile web users to view Stories posted by their friends and others they follow. But it in the months ahead, the web version will allow you to post to Stories, too. Instagram Stories has been only one of an array of attacks on rival… Read More
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Argentine Channel Welcomes PM Modi With The Simpsons’ Apu, Criticised
December 1, 2018
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The character of "Apu" from "The Simpsons" has been in controversy for "racial stereotyping".
New Delhi:
An Argentina-based news channel is drawing criticism on social media for airing an image of "Apu", a fictional character of Indian ethnicity from the TV show The Simpsons, when Prime Minister Narendra Modi touched down in Buenos Aires for the G20 Summit on Thursday.
Cronica TV aired an image of Apu Nahasapeemapetilon alongside a footage of PM Modi landing for the G20 Summit. The caption underneath read, "Llego Apu," which in Spanish means, "Apu arrives". For the background music, the TV reportedly decided to use the song "Ring Ring Ringa" from the movie Slumdog Millionaire.
The character of "Apu" has been in controversy for "racial stereotyping". Comedian Hari Kondabolu criticized Apu as a negative stereotype of South Asians, and made a documentary – "The Problem with Apu." In the film, Mr Kondabolu interviewed actors from South Asia about the perception of South Asians in American culture and how the character of Apu impacted their lives.
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The comedian was among the first ones to tweet. "This couldn't be true, right?" he wrote while sharing a snapshot from the channel.
This couldn't be true, right? https://t.co/xiEzNgpXip
— Hari Kondabolu (@harikondabolu) November 30, 2018
Soon after, reactions started pouring on social media calling the news treatment of PM Modi's arrival in Argentina as "demeaning" and "irresponsible".
Disgusting. He's representing a billion people there. This is unwarranted. https://t.co/vTxVE1BwL9
— My Gotra Rocks (@brumbyoz) November 30, 2018
It is condemn able https://t.co/NuIAeqITJ7
— Syed Mohsin (@AAPkamohsin) November 30, 2018
This is despicable. But the world now knows why Argentina goes bankrupt every 3 years and defaults on its debtBBC News – Modi's arrival at the G20 summit 'announced with Apu meme' https://t.co/8JBRl6DcK3
— Rakesh Mital (@Rakesh_Mital) December 1, 2018
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Is road required?
PUBLISHED: 13:21 01 October 2009 | UPDATED: 14:30 06 May 2010
SIR — Your readers will be aware that there are proposals afoot to construct a Western Orbital road at the south-west perimeter of St Albans. Has any convincing case been made out for the need for such a road? If it starts at the top of Bluehouse Hill
SIR - Your readers will be aware that there are proposals afoot to construct a 'Western Orbital' road at the south-west perimeter of St Albans.
Has any convincing case been made out for the need for such a road? If it starts at the top of Bluehouse Hill and runs along the course of Bedmond Lane to join the former M10, whom do the planners think it will help?
Drivers from the eastern side of St Albans will continue to access the M1 via the A414 and the Park Street roundabout. Those wanting the M25 west will continue along the A405 to Junction 21A as now. Drivers from the NW or SW side of the city wanting M1 North will go to Junction 9 beyond Redbourn.
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ILGA-Europe statement on the occasion of the European HIV Testing Week and the World AIDS Day
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1 December is the World AIDS Day. This year, ILGA-Europe together with over 400 other governmental agencies and non-governmental organisations across Europe, expressed its support to the European HIV Testing Week which takes place in advance of the World AIDS Day (22-29 November 2013).
ILGA-Europe supports this initiative that encourages people, across Europe, to get tested and know their HIV status. People need to know they are HIV positive to start a treatment, obtain support and social protection, and thus have a greater life expectancy and a better quality of life.
Far too many people are still afraid to get tested because of fear of prejudice, stigma and discrimination against people living with HIV and AIDS. People with HIV positive status may be turned away from health care services, denied housing and employment, shunned by their friends and colleagues, turned down for insurance coverage or refused entry into foreign countries. In some cases, they may be evicted from home by their families, left by their partners, and suffer physical violence. LGBTI people who are HIV positive often face a 'double stigma', including within their own communities.
ILGA-Europe reiterates its calls on the European institutions and national authorities to continue tackling discrimination and stigma – one of the major barriers in effective HIV prevention and live quality improving work.
ILGA-Europe also calls on the EU to propose and adopt a strategy against HIV that highlights the need to tackle discrimination in health on the grounds of sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression.
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Do You Watch eSports Tournaments – MMOpinion
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If you are unaware, the League of Legends Season 2 World Finals is going on this week. Teams from across the globe are competing to win part of a $2,000,000 prize pool. Last month was The International, the Dota 2 tournament with a similar prize. You’d have to think, with so much money being handed out in these tournaments, that there is a lot of money being made on the tournaments, which means there is a ton of people watching these tournaments.
I tuned in for a match yesterday and there were about 200,000 people watching the live stream on TwitchTV. 200,000! An astonishing number of people sitting at their computers, forgoing playing the game themselves, to watch these professionals play.
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Attorneys for James “Whitey” Bulger today said they do not want federal prosecutors conducting criminal history checks on prospective jurors in Bulger’s upcoming racketeering and murder trial in US District Court in Boston.
In court papers filed today, attorneys J.W. Carney Jr. and Henry Brennan said the request made Thursday by US Attorney Carmen Ortiz’s office is a waste of court resources. Moreover, they wrote, the existence of a criminal record, by itself, should not be a bar to jury service.
“There is no compelling reason as to why the Court should verify criminal background information provided by the juror,’’ the attorneys wrote in a six-page memo. “One’s criminal record is no more relevant to the juror’s fitness to serve on the jury than any of the other inquiries into the juror’s background.’’
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The attorneys also said that when a witness takes a stand they swear they will tell the truth, and prospective jurors make the same pledge when they fill out their questionnaires. Both face prosecution for perjury if they lie under oath or lie on the paperwork, the lawyers wrote.
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“The information provided by potential jurors is provided under the pains and penalty of perjury, an assurance of honesty that is deemed sufficient for trial testimony and other courtroom proceedings,’’ Carney and Brennan wrote. “Surely, this assurance is also sufficient for the voir dire of potential jurors in this case.’’
On Thursday, federal prosecutors asked US District Court Judge Denise Casper, who will preside at Bulger’s June trial, to let them run criminal history checks on those jurors who make it past initial screening and are on the verge of being chosen for the panel of 12 jurors and six alternates to sit for the entirety of the months-long trial.
In their motion, prosecutors noted that in another high-profile case in Boston in 2011, a federal judge set aside a jury’s verdict recommending the death penalty for convicted carjacker and killer Gary Lee Sampson after it was later discovered that a juror failed to disclose information during jury selection. An Appeals Court is now weighing the government’s request to reinstate the verdict.
A spokesman for the US District Court in Boston said the court does not conduct criminal background checks of prospective jurors.
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“The default position is we trust the citizens to fill out the form truthfully,” he said.
Bulger, 83, is charged in a federal racketeering indictment that alleges he participated in 19 murders. Jury selection is scheduled to begin June 6.
Prosecutors said the way to prevent a Sampson-like problem in the Bulger case is to do the research now, not later.
But Bulger’s attorneys said the issue raised years later about the Sampson juror, known as Juror C, did not involve a criminal record but was instead the juror’s failure to honestly report that she had been the victim of domestic violence at the hands of her former husband.
“Conducting a criminal background check on Juror C would not have yielded the information that led the district court to reverse the conviction,’’ Bulgers lawyers wrote. | {
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The Exorcist Classic Movie Review
Classic Movie Reviews are once a week posts in which I review a movie from the past. It might have to do with a movie coming out that week or just a personal favorite of mine. These reviews may contain spoilers.
The Exorcist is about a young girl who gets possessed by a demon. The movie follows her losing more and more control of herself. This leads to two priests having to perform, yep you guessed it, an exorcism.
That’s really all there is to it. It’s a simple plot but it works for the movie and you don’t need much more than that in a movie like this. But even still when talking about this movie, people don’t talk about the plot; they talk about the scares. And boy is this movie absolutely terrifying. I’ve read stories about people passing out after watching it or having to leave the theater because it was so scary. And this isn’t full of the cheap jump scares we get in every horror movie today. Most of the stuff in this movie will stick with you when you lay down at night years after you watch it. Who can forget the girl crawling backwards down the stairs? Or turning her head all the way around? Or suddenly levitating off the bed? Or really just how messed up her face and body gets throughout being possessed? You can go on and on about the scares in this movie and that’s what makes a truly good horror movie. All of the performances are great as well. It’s well written and directed as you can tell by the tension that’s built throughout. There’s not a whole lot wrong with the movie.
Really my only complaint is that some of the movie, especially in the beginning, feels out of place. It takes a little bit for becoming focused in on what it wants to do. Some of it just feels forced and like it doesn’t connect with the rest of the movie.
But those moments are rare and in the end don’t detract from how terrifying this movie is. If you are a fan of horror and somehow haven’t seen this 1973 classic, you definitely need to check it out. It’s, in my opinion, by far the best horror film ever made. And for that I give The Exorcist a 4.75/5.
Are you a fan of this one? What other movies haunt you? Let me know in the comments. | {
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Rumor Has It by Elisabeth GraceLimelight #1 Publication date: December 6, 2013Genres: Contemporary, New Adult, Romancedesigned by Mae I Design
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All publicity is good publicity, right? Unless you’re recent college grad Ellie Wagner and an embarrassing video of you and your boyfriend goes viral. Every man in your life abandons you, but who knew a one-minute clip of your latest doomed relationship would brand you a slut, prevent you from getting your perfect job, and force you to keep doing the one thing you swore you’d never do again…live with your mother.
But staying with mom and her latest boy-toy (is this husband number four or five?) until your life turns around might not be all bad. Especially when you fall – literally – at the feet of a sexy, green-eyed stranger who offers you freedom and a life of luxury on a gold-rimmed platter.
There’s only one little problem – the man of your dreams is none other than Mason Nash, the latest hip-hop star busting up the music charts. Fame and fortune are his calling cards and he’s vying to steal the show on a new reality TV series that will catapult him into mainstream stardom. Hello spotlight.
The man behind the famous persona is perfect for Ellie in every way, but can she overcome the ugly pitfalls that come with Mason’s celebrity status? Or will she be forced to choose between the man she loves and the independent life she longs for? After all, fame and fortune aren’t always what they seem and not all publicity is good publicity…
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I have a soft spot for romance novels with happily ever afters and a hot spot for alpha males! I currently live outside Toronto, Canada with my hubby and two small children. Life is busy, but never to busy for a good story and to share my love of reading and writing with others. | {
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Love is one of the most confusing and wonderful parts of life. There is perhaps no subject about which so many stories, songs and poems have been written. Speculation about it is always an area of fascination, particularly for women.
But what is love and do we really need it? It’s common to hear people say they’re happy to be alone and can live without it.
If you have an interest in this subject, the experiments of famed American psychologist Harry Harlow from the 1950s onwards are worth hearing about. He arguably did more to expand our understanding of the psychological underpinnings of love than anyone before him.
Before I continue, readers should be aware that the experiments I’m going to talk about involve animals – specifically monkeys. Some of these can be viewed as disturbing and cruel, and if you don’t wish to hear about such things, now’s the time to stop reading and explore elsewhere on the site.
Let me say up-front, that I find some of these experiments uncomfortable to hear about also. But the results are so fascinating that they’re difficult to ignore. There could be an interesting ethical debate on this point about whether the ends justify the means, but that’s a subject for another article.
Dr Harlow conducted his experiments on love using infant macaque monkeys, because of the similarity of behavior they display with human children.
“The macaque infant differs from the human infant in that the monkey is more mature at birth and grows more rapidly,” Harlow said in a paper on the subject, “but the basic responses relating to affection, including nursing, contact, clinging, and even visual and auditory exploration, exhibit no fundamental differences in the two species. Even the development of perception, fear, frustration, and learning capability follows very similar sequences in rhesus monkeys and human children.”
Harlow’s interest was mainly in how love developed between mother and child, and the effects of that relationship on later responses to affection. He first got the idea for his experiments when he noticed that baby monkeys separated from their mothers developed emotional attachments to gauze cloths used to keep their cages clean. When the cloths were removed, the monkeys would often throw temper tantrums until they were returned. Harlow speculated that the cloths might be being used as surrogate mothers.
To test his theory, he created two fake mothers for his baby monkeys – one made of wire and one made of cloth and warmed from within by a light bulb. Both “mothers” were given a face, and a “breast” in the form of a bottle from which the babies could feed. Both fulfilled all the biological needs of their “children”, feeding them and so forth, but only the cloth mother was made with comfort in mind. The monkeys showed very little interest in the wire mothers, but developed strong attachments to the cloth mothers – clinging to them tightly and becoming distressed when they were removed.
Even if two mothers were provided – a wire one with milk and a cloth one without – the monkeys would prefer the latter. The conclusion was that comfort was much more important to the babies than other variables such as feeding.
If Harlow separated baby monkeys from their new cloth mothers, even for long periods, the importance of the relationship was never forgotten. As soon as their surrogate mother was returned, the monkeys would immediately rush to cling desperately to her.
The babies given cloth mothers also grew to be more psychologically stable than those who had only wire mothers. This was demonstrated when they were put into dangerous and strange situations, such as having noisy toy-robots put into the cages with them. Those with cloth mothers to cling to during the ordeal showed a much greater level of bravery, and much less negative emotion, than those who had no surrogate comfort mother present. The level of psychological security given by these immobile mother figures was found to be very high.
Monkeys who had been raised alone, with no such cloth surrogate, showed no emotional response when one was initially introduced to their cages. Although in time, they could also be shown to develop a strong attachment.
In observation, the level of affection displayed in babies raised by a surrogate mother was very similar to that between a real mother and baby. Both types grew to be more psychologically and physically healthy than those who were denied any type of mother, even though all biological needs were taken care of in all the subjects.
At this point, Harlow’s experiments grew darker. He began to design surrogate mothers that he called “Iron Maidens”. These were mothers with all the comfortable features of the cloth mothers, but who also had the ability to turn evil. Without warning, they would prod their babies with metal spikes or blow cold air against them so hard that they were pushed against the side of the cage.
Despite the cruelty of his “Iron Maidens”, Harlow noticed something interesting. No matter how abusive the evil mothers were, the baby monkeys always came back and displayed affection towards them.
Even in the face of abuse, the need for love was overwhelming. It seemed anything was preferable to being without it.
Another interesting result came from these “tough-love” experiments. The worse the mothers abused their “children”, the more needy those children became. This showed the myth that you can toughen people up against love by denying it to them is wrong. We need it, and removing it will just damage us, not make us stronger.
Harlow’s experiments, while sometimes dark, tell us a basic truth about ourselves. We are not just robots engaged in a mindless search for fulfilling our biological requirements. Instead, love is at the very center of our being. In fact, it can be shown to be more important to us than even our more basic physical needs.
Harlow’s means were definitely disturbing, but his results tell us something beautiful about what it means to be alive. | {
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Godinger “Siena” Soup Tureen with Ladle, 2 Qt
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Serve steaming bowls of lobster bisque or split pea soup from this grand porcelain soup tureen. Set in an elegant metal caddy with a tealight candle for extra heat, this timeless serveware adds warmth and sophistication to gatherings at home. | {
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LNP indicates support for child sex offender register
THE Queensland LNP has indicated it would introduce a child sex offenders register if elected in 2018.
Shadow Police Minister Tim Mander said today that plans to bring in a public register were in progress when the Newman Government was in power.
"A child sex offenders register is an initiative the LNP explored when in government and something that Labor hasn't bothered progressing," Mr Mander said.
"Queenslanders will be under no illusion as to what our position is on this issue ahead of the next state election."
The One Nation Party also indicated its potential support for such a policy with a spokesman saying the issue was being discussed by the Federal Party room.
One Nation is expected to win at least a few - estimates range widely from two or three to as many as 16 - seats at the next Queensland state election.
However the current Government does not support the idea with a spokeswoman for Queensland Attorney-General Yvette D'Ath saying the state already had a sex offenders register - just not one the public could view.
"A public register of sex offenders could have legal implications, including leading to the possible identification of child victims," the spokeswoman said.
"During the previous LNP government, the LNP voted down a Private Member's Bill in Queensland Parliament that proposed creating a register for sexual offenders and allow information to be published.
"Then LNP Minister for Police Jack Dempsey said allowing a register went against recommendations from the then Legal Affairs and Community Safety Committee and that the 2004 Act already allowed the Police Commissioner to release information." | {
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Nicest Truck I Have Owened
by My F-350 from Williamsport, MD | October 9, 2013
I have always liked my Fords. I had an 05 F-250 6.0 that was a true champ but the time came for an upgrade. My truck is my office and I will rackup 45-50,000 miles a year on a vehicle. My new F-350 is a beast. The new 6.7 has a ton of power and excelleration is impressive. The cab is roomy and extremly comfortable. There are plenlty of power points for everyone to power phones, labtops and GPS. I am still getting use to the SYNC system and exactly what bottons to push. Overall....2 thumbs up!
Impressed and very happy with my Ford
by Mejo from MO | February 21, 2013
We haul horses and were not talking a bumper pull. We haul 6 horses almost every weekend and I have to say that I look forward to getting into the cab, because I love the ride and comfort this Ford gives me every time. The leather is heavy duty and not that cheap pleather. The interior is spacious and it just feels like I am in a really expensive hotel on wheels when I'm traveling down the road. Navigation is top notch and easy to adjust/use with ease. The truck handles ever so smoothly and you dont even know your pulling 10,000 pounds until you look back and see the trailer. I also have had Chevy's and Dodge's and this truck responds much better on the throttle, turning and MPG by far then the other 2 performed and I do have a smile on my face as well knowing that I bought from a manufacturer that is responsible, knows what they are doing and didn't need a bailout.
BEST Diesel Pickup YET!
by Racinghcr from Indian | September 25, 2012
My 2012 FORD F-250 6.7 Power Stroke Diesel SuperCab is the strongest,smoothest,most convenient,highest quality,high tech,best designed/engineered and unquestionably most Powerful at an amazing 400 HP and an incredible 800 ft lbs of Torque--- pickup on the Planet! I just took a 650 mile trip and at 70+mph got an amazing 22.3 MPG!! The F-250 has less than 2K miles on it and the fuel mileage keeps going up! The interior is more comfortable and convenient than most sedans and the fuel mileage is as good! America's FORD MOTOR COMPANY has engineered and produced another WINNER in the long Ford F-Series Tradition of earning the Title as the Most Popular,Toughest,Strongest,and BEST SELLING Pickup in the WORLD for over 36 consecitive years--DRIVE ONE and see what the BEST American Truck can do for you!
Two year update
by Cowboy69 from Montana | July 21, 2012
This pickup is comfortable, but not reliable. 28k had a turbo wast gate problem. Easy fix. 38k computer needed replaced ( wipers would not turn off ) took a month. The dealer let us use a2010 as a loaner. 42k the turbo went! It's beens two weeks. The dealer this time loaned us a 2012 f350. The dealer has been great but not the truck.
F-350 SRW Diesel 4X4
by Diesel_Dice from Colton's Point, MD | June 27, 2012
I brought this truck on a whim, and loved it. I only traded it in to lower my monthly cost. Overall, I thought it was one of the best trucks I have owned, and would consider another. As a traditional Ram/Cummins guy, I really liked the refinement, quietness, power, and economy of the new 6.7 Powerstroke. Compared to my Cummins, it is just different. And preference really depends on how you like your diesel; traditional or high-tech. I really liked how easy this truck was to service myself. The oil drain and fuel filter locations are fantastic and encourage you to work on your own truck rather than shy you away. If you really need a strong exhaust brake, this is not your truck. It barley works, and in comparison to my Ram there is no comparison. However, I did tow a ten thousand pound boat from Missouri to Maryland with no complaints. If fuel economy is your priority, this is your truck. If I could have kept it, and obtained my other goals, I would have.
Best truck i've ever had!
by HELMETMAN from Denver, CO | January 23, 2012
Ive had Ford, Dodge and Chevy trucks. The 2011 F-350 is the best truck for every purpose. The towing power is great, i live in Denver and tow a 16,000 5th wheel and I can go almost as fast as i want over the tuffest and highest passes. The interior is nicer then a Mercedes, the touch screens the information the truck will give you is impressive. Seat 5 for a long trip with comfort. You need this truck!
This was the best they could do!!!!!!
by odie from mn | December 29, 2011
The dealership suckered me into believing the truck I bought was the best truck Ford ever built, when I got my F350 was ok with ride down the road on the way to church, but was very unhappy with the handeling with a 12000 pound trailer behind, losts of floating, when we would hit a bump in the road we would about get jarred out of our seats, lots of rattles for a new truck.
Dealer said it wasn't set up right to haul a load that size, tire preasure, and etc.
I dropped it off with them to "setup the truck" they called me and said it was ready and works alot better now, when I drove it it did not react any better then before.
They put it back in the shop again I loaned a Dodge Ram 2500 with 6.7L Cummins Turbo Diesel for the job while they fixed the Ford F350 and the Dodge was twice the truck the F350 was, I called the dealership and said they could keep the Ford, and write the paperwork on the Dodge what a great american made truck.
So If your buying a Ford F350 for taking the family to church this is your truck, if you are doing some heavy loads get the Dodge 2500 or 3500, ford is still working on there design.
I LOVE THIS TRUCK
by SUPERDUTY from Wooster Oh | September 9, 2011
I have a 2011 F-350 crew cab 4X4. This truck is very comfortable to ride and even nicer to drive it doesnt matter if you are towing 20000 lbs or empty. I have been getting very good gas mileage 20+ mpg The integrated brake controller and fifth wheel hitch are nice and work very good and came with my truck!! I tow backhoes and large farm tractors up and down the hills in kentucky this is the most power I have ever had in a pickup. I had a 2006 Dodge 3500 before this it and had the legendary 5.9 cummins with six speed tranny. I loved that motor but hated the truck it was uncomfortable, cheaply built and just a bad design. I have 45000 trouble free miles on my superduty so far. Super quiet , super comfortable, super efficient, super duty!!
I was Ford Guy till now
by FORD MAN from Kentucky | August 4, 2011
We bought this truck new to see if it could out work our Ram 3500(2011 H.O. CUMMINS). It did ok maybe, Our new dodge will tow our back-hoes up and down hills and everything at 2,500R.P.M's. We bought this truck knowing it was a v8 it climbed hills in kentuckey were i live at 4,000R.P.M's? Sucks! So we hooked our back hoe and goose neck(23,000lbs altogether) hitch to the ford and took it to the job site. Got better m.p.g then the ram but,the dodge you didnt even feel the back hoe,the ford was all over the raod it had hill assist,trailer sway control,but the 400hp felt like 300 and the 800 torque felt like 210 this truck was not very good at all,while we was hauling the back-hoe the drive-shft snaped and we went into the ditch! My dads 2011 3500 H.O cummins had to pull my ford the trailer and the back-hoe out of the ditch the ford also had the rear bucket to the back hoe in the truck bed,it flew though the back windo,i was a ford guy i loved ford always did but this new powerstroke was a joke,i am goin with dodge it pulled the ford the trailer,the.bucket and the backhoe out of the ditch no problem at alllllll and (i did the math and altogether the ford the trailer the back hoe the bucket weighed around 30,000lbs) The Dodge pulled it out of the ditch took the trailer home,then came back and got the ford on the trailer. Dodge is the best tow vehical was a very good ride loved the cummins grunt,the 800 torque feels like 1,000 and the 350hp feels like 500,we now own 5 dodge diesel all 2011 there amazing work trucks we had to pull out a stuck dump truck loaded down,the dodge pulled the dump truck without no problem at alllll,If you want a diesel truck for work that is long lasting and will pull anything ditch the ford and go with the 2011 dodge H.O Cummins the Ram is way way way better than the ford and way way way way way better than any chevy i ever owned
Ford?
by Ram from | June 23, 2011
We test drove this truck to see if we wanted to trade our 2011 Ram 3500 H.O Cummins for this supposed to be powerful truck,but wasn't like the dodge we could strap 18,000lbs to the dodge felt great we tryed this with our ford,had some problems.With out a load it was a amzing truck.But 12,000lbs trailer or above it dodnt want to get up and go like our Ram did.Both was all stock,but the Ram was just better,better interior,exterior,and great performance,but the ford was lagging.If I was going to get this truck it would be a f-250 just for traveling,NOT TOWING,but it did get great gas milage,thats about it.Nice truck doe. | {
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Upon his retirement, Wayne Rooney will sit proudly at the top of a list proclaiming him as England’s all-time top goalscorer. As in San Marino a few days earlier, Rooney coolly tucked away from the spot to help maintain England’s 100% start to European qualification with a 2-0 win against Switzerland at Wembley. But amidst all the praise rightly given to Rooney for such an achievement, it’s hard to place him in the same category as the likes of the Sir Bobby Charlton, Sir Geoff Hurst, or even Gary Lineker, all of whom had success at major tournaments.
If you cast your minds back to Euro 2004, on that evidence alone it would seem inconceivable that we would be discussing Rooney’s poor tournament showings. Bursting onto the scene a year earlier against Australia at Upton Park in February 2003, England’s new golden boy certainly lived up to his hype. Then England manager Sven Goran Eriksson described his performances as of the same magnitude of that of the great Pelé in the 1958 World Cup. Tearing Croatia to shreds, he complemented Michael Owen with energy and enthusiasm.
Since then, Rooney has become a shadow of the player he promised to be on the international stage. 50 international goals is something the 29-year-old should be rightly proud of, but when he looks back on a glittering domestic career, perhaps he will experience a tinge of regret having failed to consistently translate those showings internationally?Given his obvious talent, Rooney’s performances have been frustrating. He failed to replicate his tremendous performance in Portugal in 2004, kicking off a recurring metatarsal injury in the build up to the 2006 World Cup, and then ending it in disgrace having received his marching orders for a stamp on Ricardo Carvalho in the quarter-final. As in 2004, England would exit on penalties to the Portuguese.
Rooney’s track record on the international stage arguably leaves a lot to be desired. It was only last year that he ended his unwanted record of failing to score at a World Cup, a fact largely forgotten when England crashed out at the group stage. Rooney shouldn’t be singled out for a failure to deliver a tournament victory as so many teams have seen success elude them since that great side in 1966.Like Owen before him, some may argue that Rooney peaked too soon. Others will point to a change in Rooney’s role from an archetypal striker to more of a number 10, a conversion made by Sir Alex Ferguson which often sees him playing in more of a midfield role. Perhaps Rooney is someone whose ability we will only fully appreciate when he’s gone. He may even go on to reach 60, 70 or perhaps even 80 international goals. Yet when you consider players in the world’s best category, has Rooney ever really elevated himself into the conversation of say, Lionel Messi or former teammate Cristiano Ronaldo?
Nevertheless, Rooney now displays a maturity like never before and gets ever closer to breaking Charlton’s goalscoring record at Manchester United too. Hopefully Rooney can banish his shortcomings on the big stage and justify his status as England’s all-time top goalscorer next summer. But until the Manchester United striker delivers when it matters at a major tournament he will never be able to be judged alongside the Charlton’s and the Hurst’s before him. | {
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Does affordable housing near light rail isolate poor? Or fend off gentrification?
Light-rail projects such as the Central Corridor or its future extension, the Southwest Line, are touted by officials as ways to connect low-income workers and residents of affordable housing to jobs throughout the metro.
But Jeffry Martin isn't convinced. As president of the St. Paul Chapter of the NAACP, he worries that the Metropolitan Council is directing too much funding toward large-scale affordable housing developments along urban transit corridors and not in whiter, wealthier suburbs such as Plymouth and Minnetonka.
Martin is concerned that by putting too many low-income units along the light-rail line, Met Council housing policies are segregating racial minorities.
"I think it is oversaturated, especially along the corridor," Martin said. "The reality is, the higher-paying jobs are in the suburbs, and most low-income people do have cars."
The Central Corridor, or Green Line, is expected to connect downtown Minneapolis and downtown St. Paul on June 14, and a coalition of foundations and organizers are much more optimistic that it will benefit many of the metro's most vulnerable residents.
Members of the Central Corridor Funders Collaborative say "workforce housing" developments targeted to the working poor and middle-income earners actually can stabilize a neighborhood as rents increase in response to the light rail.
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In poor neighborhoods, affordable housing may even bring up the average income on a street, advocates say. Workforce housing tends to be geared toward workers earning up to 60 percent of area median income, which is about $82,000 for a family of four in the Twin Cities.
The Central Corridor Funders Collaborative "Big Picture Project" projects that 2,500 affordable housing units will be preserved or constructed along the Central Corridor in Minneapolis and St. Paul from 2011 to 2020, at a cost of $445 million. The project has set a "stretch" goal of expanding that to 4,500 units, for a total estimated price tag of $832 million.
Planners with the Metropolitan Council say suburbs are, indeed, setting their own affordable housing goals through their comprehensive plans.
As cities grow, they're trying to preserve a mix of housing for different income levels. "The council is working to provide affordable housing choice across the region and allow people to make housing choices about where they want to live," said Beth Reetz, director of Housing and Livable Communities for the Met Council.
That said, officials have looked to Seattle, Portland and other cities and noticed that home and rental prices tend to go up near new light-rail lines. "The effect of that gentrification is that lower-income households move farther away from that investment," said Libby Starling, a regional policy manager with the Met Council. "There's the risk that they're priced out."
Rather than introduce poverty, affordable housing near transit can help locals stay in the neighborhood and ensure a diverse mix of incomes, she said.
A draft of the Met Council's housing policy plan is due out by fall.
Arguments about where to locate affordable housing have been hotly debated within advocacy circles. Two forums next week will touch on it as well as other issues.
On Monday, University of Minnesota law professor Myron Orfield will host a discussion at the law school about suburban diversity and affordable housing. Various groups will comment on the Met Council's housing policies from 1 to 4 p.m. in Room 170 of the law school's Walter F. Mondale Hall, 229 19th Ave. S.
Several cities and community groups will be represented. Martin and Jim Hilbert will represent the St. Paul NAACP.
Orfield believes that the heavy emphasis on building housing along transit lines guarantees that affordable units land in cities and school districts that already have plenty of diversity and plenty of need.
"Let's leave the white suburbs, like we did with the white neighborhoods in the cities, off the hook entirely? ... These newer suburbs end up being a little like a tax shelter -- Minnetonka, Plymouth, Lakeville, Afton," Orfield said.
On Wednesday, the Funders Collaborative will host its fifth annual "stakeholder event" at the St. Paul Union Depot. The forum, organized around the question "Are We Ready?" looks at key indicators of job growth, job access, housing and private investment along the light-rail line.
The forum takes place from 8 to 10 a.m. Wednesday at the Union Depot Red Cap room, 214 Fourth St. E. Their score sheet is expected to give good marks to the light-rail project for inspiring developments along the rail line. Housing affordability gets a rating of "so far, so good," and job access is "to be determined."
More details from the Central Corridor Tracker Report will be released at the forum. St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman, Central Corridor Funders Collaborative co-chairs Ann Mulholland and Polly Talen and Wilder research associate Jane Tigan are among the speakers scheduled.
Bob Streetar, community-development director of Oakdale, spent years working for the wealthier suburb of Minnetonka and for Columbia Heights, which has more concentrated poverty and more racial minorities. Streetar will be sitting in on the panel Monday, but he's not ready to fully endorse or reject Orfield's point of view.
"Generally, it seems like the Met Council policy plan is looking to solve a housing issue," said Streetar. "What I hear Myron Orfield say is some of those policies cause issues for cities and school districts by promoting concentrations of poverty in Minneapolis and St. Paul, and along Interstate 94 and some inner-ring suburbs. I'm still trying to think it through. It's complex. For every complex problem, there's an answer that's simple, clear and usually wrong." | {
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The Orioles have NO choice but to complete the deal with the Mariners for Erik Bedard.
Speculation from across the country (from “respected media members” at ESPN.com and FOX Sports) is that Peter Angelos stepped in late Sunday night and squashed the deal.
I don’t know if I believe that, honestly.
But…it doesn’t matter what I believe.
What matters now is that if the deal somehow DOESN’T happen, everyone in Baltimore – or at least the 2,813 people who still really, really care about the team – will say, loudly: “THERE GOES PETER AGAIN, GETTING INVOLVED WHEN HE SHOULDN’T AND NOT ALLOWING HIS BASEBALL PEOPLE TO DO THEIR JOB.”
Even if it’s not true - and I see no valid reason why Angelos WOULD nix the deal – everyone’s going to say it IS true.
By the way, I can see an “invalid” way Angelos would nix the deal. I can close my eyes and hear Peter now: “Andy, how did word of this trade leak out on Sunday?” MacPhail: ”Evidently, the kid Adam Jones in Venezuela got all giddy when he heard the news and started yapping to his teammates and the media about getting on a plane and heading to Baltimore.” Peter: ”TELL THAT JOHNSON KID TO STAY DOWN THERE IN VENEZUELA THEN. I WON’T HAVE A GUY UPSTAGING OUR PUBLIC RELATIONS EFFORTS AND SPOILING OUR ANNOUNCEMENT. WE RUN THE ORIOLES…HE DOESN’T.”
That would be a “not-so-valid” reason for Angelos getting involved. He got pissed off that the Jones kid talked out of turn. It’s little things like that that infuriate high-dollar business people. And it’s little things like that (sort of like having a piss-ant radio station announce that you’re changing the team’s road jerseys a couple of weeks before you were going to make it official) that lead to a change of course. “How dare you embarrass us…” (as if 1998-2007 isn’t embarrassment enough.)
Read this carefully: But, I still don’t believe Angelos interfered. Call me dumb, but I don’t.
Other than the above scenario in which Angelos got his orange feathers ruffled because Adam Jones ruined a press conference at the Warehouse, what real reason would Peter have for killing the deal? Bedard isn’t a rock star in Baltimore. He’s just another player on a non-descript team that won’t add or take away any more fans in 2008. With him, the O’s might win 65 games in ’08. Maybe. Without him, they might not win 55 games. So what? Last place is last place. Color me naive, but I don’t think Angelos has any real VALID reason to kill the deal.
One other thing: If the Mariners are smart, they press the O’s for an answer today, knowing that the heat will be on the Birds to make a deal and avoid any negative publicity that would accompany a “killed deal”. Maybe the people in the Mariners don’t follow the O’s front office woes that closely, but the franchise in Baltimore simply can’t afford for public perception to be that Angelos squashed the Bedard deal – for valid or not-valid reasons.
The Mariners (if they want to play hardball) should call the Orioles TODAY and say, “Adam Jones stays on the table until 5:00 pm today. If you don’t agree to the deal, he’s no longer part of the package and you can keep your pitcher.”
If Andy MacPhail is running the club, the deal is going to happen soon.
If Andy MacPhail ISN’T running the club, Erik Bedard will start the season in Baltimore.
Perception is reality.
If the deal doesn’t happen, the perception will be “Peter is up to his old tricks.”
And, the reality of that? No one will be surprised. Even if it’s not true. | {
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As Peoria chiropractors, we recognize that true health comes from within, that’s why we focus on assisting your nervous system to function properly, in order to maximize your wellness!
The nervous system controls every function, process, cell, tissue, and organ in our body. Chiropractors are trained to look for a subluxation (misalignment of the spine) which causes interference to nerve tissue. This misalignment results in an interruption of communication between the brain and the body, resulting in the possibility of pain, and many other health problems, from sinus problems to digestive disruptions, to high blood pressure.
Dr. Nicole practices the Gonstead technique which is the manual (hands on) adjusting to the spine to correct subluxations. The Gonstead system of adjusting is very specific, in that we look for the ONE vertebra that is causing the specific problem, and correct it.
Gonstead doctors see amazing changes in the overall health of their patients, including organ function, and even brain function.
From Dr. Nicole:Why I am a Doctor of Chiropractic
Because I honor the inborn potential of everyone to be truly healthy.
Because I desire to help the newborn, the aged, and those without hope.
Because I choose to care for the patient with the disease, not the disease.
Because I wish to assist rather than intrude; to free rather than control.
Because I seek to correct the cause, not its effect.
Because I know doctors do not heal, only the body can heal itself.
Because I have been called to serve others.
Because I want to make a difference.
Because every day I get to witness miracles.
Because I know it is right. | {
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Playbîy Croatia - February 2013
Playbîy Croatia - February 2013Croatian | 138 pages | PDF | 98 Mb
Playboy Croatia edition is made especially for you with the issues and items that make it the most readable mens magazine in the world with the unique beauty of Italia women inside. Playboy is one of the world's best known brands.In addition to the flagship magazine in the United States, special nation-specific versions of Playboy are published worldwide. Ricevi una replica esatta di PLAYBOY Croatia ISTANTANEAMENTE e DISCRETAMENTE nel tuo computer. | {
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Once we get to our cabins which was a hump balcony. A class of stateroom that we have grown to love. A hump balcony that sticks out from the ship, so you could see two sides(Front and aft) The state of the balconies however were clearly in need of maintenance. Paint ripping off and the wood wasn't even polished. The light in the room kept flickering on and off later on in the cruise. But the staff managed to fix it. Good size room with a kettle and plenty of storage space. Good amount of power points as well. Lovely and comfortable bed. They were changing mattresses in Singapore after we return. Sigh RCL... Read entire member review >>
The cabin was surprisingly spacious and comfortable. Dining on the balcony while the ship is underway is awesome. The showers are small though. Thank God my wife and I are not larger people, that shower can be claustrophobic. Read entire member review >>
This was our first RCI cruise and we had a balcony room mid-ship. The room was what we expected having cruised in balcony cabins before with Princess & Celebrity, plenty of room in the wardrobe, we even managed to store 2 suitcases in there - on our last Celebrity cruise we had to store suitcases under the bed. The shower and towels were a bit on the small size and no robes, I didn't ask the steward but maybe robes were available on request. Read entire member review >>
Great room, loved the ability to walk out onto the balcony and watch the world go by, plus to sit there and see all of the little islands and little boats out at sea.Plenty of room inside with heaps of storage. Room was very quiet and very comfortable plus you didnt feel that you were on the open seas at all, very still! Read entire member review >>
We had a mini suite w/balcony. The balcony was nice and big enough for two people to sit comfortably w/the little table between us. Beautiful view! Shower was big enough to move around in and I did not feel claustrophobic in there. Closet space was ample. Bed was a little hard but nothing that was not fixed by asking for extra padding for the bed. Nice room. Read entire member review >>
A little long to walk down the hallway from each side, but very easy to find the door at a glance since there is a column next to it. Very quiet location. Tiny shower, but a great balcony and LOTS of storage space. Read entire member review >>
We had a deck 7 balcony cabin.
The basics were excellent - really large and comfotable beds and mattresses. Instant hot water. A friendly easy-to-operate shower.
No ship vibration. Read entire member review >>
6238 great location. near elevators front of ship right above cafe on promenade convenient. cabin was very clean and spacious. had a flat screen tv, a nice couch, safe, mini bar, not noisy at all. clean nice sheets good quality. nice pillows comfortable bed. decent size bathroom. lots of cabinet space over vanity area and in bathroom. the balcony needs some sprucing up. needs to be painted and they could replace the carpet. they had two chairs and a table. the view was great!! we didn't have any issues with neighbors on their balcony. each balcony is separated by a frosted glass. the only thing i would change is i would let the curtain that sort of divides the bedroom area and the couch area go completely across the room. lighting was very good in cabin. this was the biggest balcony cabin we ever had. i think the room itself was 200 feet which is great. Read entire member review >>
Cabin 7300: This is an accessible balcony stateroom - category AX. All the standard accessibility features were present except there is no power door opener. Still the door did have a delayed closer that held it open long enough to roll wheelchair out into hallway. Ramp to bathroom was less noticeable than Radiance class but balcony had a flip down metal ramp on the outside that when not flipped down was a trip hazard for AB persons. When flipped down it also prevented sliding door from being closed. Upgrades in dry dock added LCD TV with interactive features. Good location not far from elevators on Starboard side. Very quiet. Read entire member review >>
The cabin is fine, small, but what do you need? A dance floor? Great balcony, we never hear noise from the hallways. We couldn't hear the announcments though. Overall, we got our moneys worth. Read entire member review >>
Cabin 6320- Excellent location just steps from the elevators on the hump! Standard balcony cabin for two with a great view fore and aft from the balcony. You are one deck up from the Royal Promenade and the Loyalty Ambassador's desk is pretty much outside your door.
It is in a high traffic location, but we never noticed any noise at all. Read entire member review >>
Right near the elevators, but very quiet. Cig. smoke from other balconies occasionally drifted in. No noise from next-door cabins. Huge, comfortable king-sized bed right next to the balcony - perfect views. Nice shower (I'm a large person and had no trouble at all). Plenty of closet space. Simple, responsive heating/cooling controls. Read entire member review >>
Closet was larger than I had expected. Very quiet. I didn't hear anything from the hall. I ordered room service one night and they told me it would be about 40 minutes. I fell asleep while waiting and didn't hear the waiter knocking, but felt this little pat on my arm and this tiny voice saying, "Mr. John, wake up for your dinner."
Balcony was great. The rail has seen better days.
Not enought room between the vanity and the couch. I kept knocking over the cocktail table. Read entire member review >>
Mid-ship port side on Deck 7 turned out to be a great view in each of the ports. It was a E2 balcony room, plenty of space for both moving around, sitting and relaxing, and storing of stuff. Closet was a great size, and had shelves as well as hanging room. We could hear some music thumping late at night from one of the clubs, not sure which, but it was fairly distant and didn't run too late, so it wasn't much of a problem. Not much rocking to report here either. And it was nice to have a fridge! Read entire member review >>
we had a E2 balcony cabin. The closets were adequate, the bathroom was good for a cruise ship but the shower was very, very small. The bed was not very soft and the TV seemed to have constant interference on it on all channels all week. Read entire member review >>
We really didn't take as much advantage of our Hump balcony cabin as we should have, but it did have a great view, both fore and aft, and was large enough to make the price worthwhile. I noticed no noise from the elevator stairs which were right outside our door. Yes the Closet can be a mite tiny but it was functional. Read entire member review >>
Cabin 7620 is one of the two center cabins on the "hump" on deck seven. It is a cat E2. If you want a cabin that only your neighbors can see into (if they look around the divider) then this is the cabin for you. I had no problem seeing forward or backwards, and if you look straight down, you will see the water. The balcony is fully covered. Plenty of room for two (it only sleeps two). Read entire member review >>
The Balcony was a great mid-ship location just forward of the hump with ample space for 2 and just one floor above guest services and the Royal Promenade. The Promanade rooms were smaller and suitable for anyone just don't forget to clothes your drapes or you may become part of the on board entertainment. Read entire member review >> | {
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Say goodbye to Windows XP-SP2
If you’re still running XP SP2, today is the day to make sure you are completely up to date. Tomorrow is the last official update and Microsoft is cutting off support, updates and patches for Windows XP SP2 after tomorrow. | {
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A young woman’s quest for happiness is marred by the secrets and deceptions perpetuated by an evil family.
Eva González (Blanca Soto) came to Los Angeles with her father and sister in search of a better life. She goes to work as the personal attendant to Julio Arismendi, the ailing founder of Publicidad Arismendi, unknowingly becoming a pawn to kill him by his wife, Marcela (Susana Dosamantes).
When the beautiful Eva catches the eye of Julio’s son, Leonardo Arismendi (Julian Gil), and his best friend, Daniel Villanueva (Guy Ecker), she becomes the target of Victoria (Vanessa Villela), who is Leonardo’s sister and Daniel’s girlfriend.
But Daniel leaves Victoria for Eva, and on the day of Eva and Daniel’s wedding, Eva’s father is killed in a hit-and-run accident. Can her future husband be responsible?
“Eva Luna” is a 2010 telenovela produced by Cisneros Media in collaboration with Univision Studios. It is a remake of the 1997 Telemundo telenovela “Aquamarina.” | {
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Montessori Early Learning Center
About
Child Care Type: Center
Address: 1002 S Davisave, Elkins, WV 26241
Ages: 2 years to 8 years
Capacity: 36
Vouchers: No
Description & Additional information
Montessori Early Learning Center is a child care center in Elkins, WV. At Montessori Early Learning Center, we enroll children as young as 24 months through 8 years old. We are a medium-sized center. To learn more about us, please send us an email.
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Disclaimer: the license was verified when this listing was created. We do our best to keep information up-to-date, but cannot guarantee that it is. You should verify the license status before enrolling in any child care program. | {
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Price search results for SealLine Storm Sack 20L
SealLine's lightest, most versatile dry bag, the Storm Sacks deliver waterproof protection anywhere you need it. Protect a camera or down bag in your backpack, or keep your manky laundry from fouling up the clean stuff while bike touring Laos the possibilities are endless. A roll top closure ensures a great seal, and durable 210D PU coated nylon provides lasting protection with taped seams and a white interior for added visibility. Lightweight and Packable: Perfect for backpacking and hiking as well as paddling. Secure Closure: Roll top closure now features a stiffer top strap for a more secure seal. Watertight protection: Sewn and Taped 210D PU coated nylon PVC Free: Eco friendlier fabrics reduce environmental impact. | {
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Chrono Repair: Review & Comparison
These days everyone is conscious of their looks. So the market is quite jam-packed with anti aging cosmetic products which promise to meet their expectations. Swiss company Methode Physiodermie has come up with its anti aging Chrono Repair Intensive Care Revitalizing cream which has caught the attention of consumers.
Overview
A little baffling though, there is no official website of this particular product. No information is given about Chrono Repair on the website of this Swiss company also. Usually in such cases, the product is offered only to the regular clientele of the company which believes in word of mouth advertisement. In modern days such ways may seem a bit archaic.
Methode Physiodermie’s website also provides unclear details about the technology they use in their products. Only the place of production of its place and information that the product can be used on any skin in order to bring desired change can be termed incomplete.
Product Details
Usually the anti aging creams in market talk loudly about their specific ingredients which would treat free radicals and bringing natural glow to skin. Though Chrono Repair Intensive Care Revitalizing cream also promises to do the same, it lacks in information. We found no information about the ingredients both in related websites and in the retail stores. Irrespective of it, the price tag of Chrono Repair is as high as $230 that can compel you to think twice before you buy it.
What’s Positive
What’s Negative
As no information is available regarding ingredients in this product are available, its effectiveness is unknown.No success stories with comparative images that may woo buyers are provided online.No money back guarantee is given.The marketing strategy for Chrono Repair Intensive Care Revitalizing seems inadequate which is also rare.
Bottom Line
Chrono Repair Intensive Care Revitalizing may be an effective product. But it’s not good for the product that the buyers should be entangled in the web of ‘may be’. Women are very choosy whenever they buy skin products. So our only advice is, try it after weighing all pros and cons. | {
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