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Chapter Five: Buildings
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Creating Buildings
When one of the StarShip Civilizations sends down troops to secure a planet, the first order of business is to build a base of operations. In small operations, the SpaceMen might use their captain's BattleJeep as a command center. In more prolonged operations, the bases are huge sprawling fortresses, several levels high with further levels underground. Within the base walls are facilities for vehicle maintenance, weapon repairs, and dorms for the SpaceMen. The walls themselves are usually dotted with heavy weapon emplacements and built from fortified StrongCrete, capable of standing up to an incredible amount of punishment from those who would do it ill.
If you don't want to go to all the trouble of constructing a building, you can throw up some walls and fortifications. These can hamper enemy monement and give cover to troops and weapon mounts. For every five inches of length and three Brix of height, the base cost is one point.
Computing the base cost of a building is not quite as easy. To do this, measure the distance in inches between the two furthest corners of the building (round up). Multiply the number of inches by 10 and you have the base cost of the building. For a building with multiple stories, compute the base cost of each story separately. Note that catwalks, battlements, and roofs don't count as additional stories.
Sample BasesHere are a couple examples of foundations for buildings you might construct. If you have a ruler or even a string handy, it shouldn't take very long at all to figure out which two corners are furthest apart. In the first example, you would use the distance from A to F. You could choose to split the building into two parts and pay for the C to B part and the E to D part seperately, but if they're connected it will always end up cheaper just to pay once for the whole thing. You don't have to use the corners of the "bounding rectangle" of the base - in the second example, you would use 2 to 3 as the furthest two corners, not 1 to 4. In general, the larger and more nearly circular your building is, the more area you'll get per point spent.
Buildings, walls, fortifications, and in fact any building component (like doors, radar dishes, weapon emplacements) have five possible AV Ratings, summarized on this chart:
Building Armor Value Ratings
Equivalent to:
Wooden shacks, huts
x 1
Plastic, unmotared stone,
log walls, sandbags
x 2
Concrete and stone
x 4
x 8
x 12
Once you have chosen which AV Rating you want, multiply the base cost of the object by the multiplier in the PointX column.
Next you will want to furnish your base. Interior walls, stairs, ladders, and regular doors are all free, put them wherever you like. All parts of a base besides the defensive exterior wall have an AV Rating two levels below the base itself (minimum AV 1d10). This includes exterior doors, so you either want to avoid making very many of them or you'll want to beef them up a little. If you want to strengthen an object, multiply its cost by the multiplier in the PointX column in the chart above, just like walls. For this purpose, consider doors to have a cost of two points, and interior walls and stairs to have a cost of two points per five inches. A lot of the time, you will want to leave out walls and roofs so that there's room for you to get your hands inside and move minifigs around. Make sure your opponent is aware of where these 'virtual' walls and roofs are so there's no confusion later.
A ComputerBank should be located somewhere in the base. This is free, but there should be one in the base somewhere. Backup ComputerBanx can be built for 5 points apiece. ComputerBank security is very loose, since SpaceMen aren't particularly bright and often get killed faster than they can learn new passwords. It takes a full Attack Phase for a SpaceMan to take control of a ComputerBank he has gained access to. If one side gains control of all of a base's ComputerBanx, the base belongs to them. If they miss even one, the previous owners still have full control.
It is important to maintain control of a base! Only the side with control can use base features like doors, mounted weapons, and Outstanding Architectural Features (OAFs). If all of a base's ComputerBanx have been destroyed, then all of the base's weapons fire at -3 Skill, all the doors open, and none of the OAFs function. The lights all go out, the TVs are stuck on the Weather Channel, and the showers only run cold water. If you want, you can build an independent ComputerConsole into any door, mounted weapon, or OAF for one point. That object can now be remotely controlled from any ComputerBank by the side that controls it. If enemies destroy or gain control of the base ComputerBank, the object still functions for its original owners. However, if enemies gain access to the ComputerConsole, they can take control of it even if they don't control the ComputerBanx.
Vehicles may be housed in the bases. Hopefully, the doors will be big enough that they can get in and out; otherwise they may only drive around inside. Flyers
will require landing pads or runways; these do not cost any points, they only require that some SpaceSlaves clear some land near the base.
Heavy weapon emplacements can be built in the wilderness for 12 points. Weapons may be mounted on buildings or weapon emplacements the same way they are mounted on vehicles, except that each weapon must be manned by a SpaceMan. Refer to the Mounting Siege Weapons section of Chapter Six: Siege Weapons for more information.
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Destroying Buildings
We spent a lot of time going over a lot of possible ways to handle building destruction, but all the rule sets were too complicated, too deadly, or too stupid. So, when a building is penetrated by an attack, it's entirely up to you to decide how big a hunk of the building to break off. Depending on the type and strength of the attack, you might either chop a little crack in the wall, knock down a big section wall, collapse a portion of a building, or flatten a building completely. You and your opponent are going to have to decide the matter between yourselves. We're sorry, but that's all the advice we can give you on that subject.
Remember that if a section of a building is destroyed, the troops and objects in that section are probably going to take some damage. If the building section was destroyed by an missile or energy weapon, for instance, there's going to be an explosion that does the building's AV in Explosion Damage. If a SpaceMan is standing on top of a tower that collapses, he'll take damage from the fall and from whatever rubble lands on him.
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Details of Gastrodia and Uncaria Decoction
Gou teng's "hooks" are said to "hook" the internal wind to calm muscle spasms, tics, tremors, and the like.
Gou teng’s “hooks” are said to “hook” the internal wind to calm muscle spasms, tics, tremors, and the like.
Alternative Names
• Tian Ma Gou Teng Yin
Tian Ma Gou Teng Yin is somewhat a late comer to the Chinese medicine formulary. Created in the 20th Century, it represents a new style of formulation in China whereby traditional herbs for traditional problems are teamed up with herbs chosen for their Western medicine (scientific biomedicine) indications such as high blood pressure.
In America, we use it for stress-induced headaches and dizziness, among other things that a physician would recognize as hypertensive symptoms and the Chinese medicine practitioner would call “internal wind.”
If you may have high blood pressure, it is essential that you monitor yourself on a regular basis. Taking this formula for high blood pressure is not effective for everybody, nothing works for everybody. Getting a blood pressure cuff for use at home is inexpensive and can be easily found online or in your local drug store. Many drug stores also offer a free blood pressure screening that you can use at your convenience. This formula is not intended as a replacement to drugs for hypertension, however after a consultation with your doctor, you may find that this formula can help you lower your anti-hypertension drug dosage or forego them altogether.
If you feel like your head is about to explode, you’re reading the right page.
This is a great chill pill for just about any problem that arises in the head due to stress, anger, frustration, rage, etc.
Tian Ma 天麻 gastrodia rhizome Rhizoma Gastrodiae Elatae
Gou Teng 芶藤 stems of gambir vine; gambir, uncaria vine Ramulus Uncariae cum Uncis
• This formula is named after these first two ingredients. Their job in this formula is to simply extinguish “internal wind” which causes dizziness and headaches.
Shi Jue Ming 石决明 abalone shell Concha. Haliotidis
• There is more than one way to extinguish internal wind. You can use herbs such as those listed above, or you can weigh it down with something heavy like an abalone shell.
Zhi Zi 梔子 cape jasmine fruit, gardenia Gardeniae Fructus
• This herb helps remove heat from the (Chinese concept of the) Liver. A hot Liver can catch on fire, fires generate an upward flow of wind. So, what makes a Liver hot? Certainly there are some toxic substances such as excessive quantities of alcohol, but also the Liver is very sensitive to anger, frustration, rage, etc. The Liver can get hot as a PMS thing too.
• Like Zhi Zi above, this herb clears heat, however instead of focusing on the Liver, it actually cools the Gallbladder channel. The Liver and Gallbladder are a yin/yang pair in Chinese medicine. That’s kind of like saying they’re married. When the Liver gets hot, that heat rises up in the Gallbladder channel which traverses the sides of the head. That’s why headaches associated with Liver wind can be located on one side or the other of the head. Yes, this is a migraine.
Yi Mu Cao 益母草 Chinese motherwort, leonurus Herba Leonuri Heterophylae, Leonuri Herba [use caution if pregnant]
• The two herbs listed above both act on the blood flow. Yi Mu Cao keeps the blood moving through the Liver which helps keep it cool, while Chuan Niu Xi directs blood downward. This downward directionality keeps that large distended feeling in your head down to a minimum. The assumption is that there is too much blood rising upward, so the therapeutic goal is to guide it downward.
Du Zhong 杜仲 Eucommiae Cortex eucommia bark [supports pregnancy]
• The two herbs above nourish the Kidney and Liver. A nourished liver (meaning more blood and fluids to keep it moist) prevents the Liver from heating up and generating wind. Additionally, Du Zhong is well known for its blood pressure lowering functions.
Ye Jiao Teng 夜交藤 crydalis rhizome Caulis Polygoni Multiflori
Fu Shen 茯神 spirit poria Poriae Sclerotium pararadicis
• These two herbs are calming. Calming is good. Why wouldn’t you want to be calm? They help you sleep too.
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1. My chinese doctor gave me this for mania after feeling my pulse and looking at my tongue. Do you have a better suggestion?
2. I have a steady “brain fog” and often feel off balance or dizzy, which gets worse with increased activity or stress. Walking outdoors for more than 10 minutes or so sets in the diziness. I also have a slight ringing in the ears, high blood pressure and a constant feeling of tightness in both legs (the skin actually feels tight) which may be related. Would this formula help with that or is there something better? Thanks
3. Hey,
I’m taking since 4 months this formula, but a little bit rearranged :
Ma tian : 8.2 grammes
Zhi zi : 10.93
Yi Mu Cao : 10.93
Ye Jiao Teng : 20.50
Bai Shao Yao : 16.40
Chuan Xiong : 10.93
Gou Teng : 12.30
Huang Qin : 8.20
Du Zhong : 10.93
Fu shen : 12.30
Zhi Shi : 12.30
Yu Jin : 10.93
Shi Jue Ming : 20.50
Huang Lian : 12.30
Sang Ji Sheng : 16.40
(cu) Chai Hu : 8.20
Xiang Fu : 13.66
Gan Cao (zhi) : 4.10
Unfortunately my liver is still full of “anger” and wind, i sigh very often and have trouble to urinate (need a lot of concentration)
Anyway, do you know a better, stronger formula than this ? If i stay with that i should take it for a year to recover fully, which will cost me a kidney, or 2 maybe as my kidneys are not stronger as before ..
Thanks for the help !!
4. D,
Is this a formula that we sent to you? Its very hard to assess what is needed without knowing your case and what you are trying to address.
This is a problem in doing these diagnosis and treatment over the internet.
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The Central American crisis refers to events in the late 1970s when major civil wars and pro-communist revolutions erupted in various countries in Central America resulting in the region becoming one of the world's foreign policy hot spots in the 1980s. In particular, the United States feared that victory by communist forces would threaten the Panama Canal and would isolate the rest of South America from the United States if the counties of Central America were to be installed by pro-soviet communist governments.
Main article: Nicaraguan Revolution
El Salvador[edit]
Main article: Salvadoran Civil War
The United States supported the Salvadoran military government.[1][2][3] Israel also actively supported the government forces. The conflict ended in the early 1990s. Between 75,000 and 90,000 people were killed in El Salvadoran Civil War.[citation needed]
Main article: Guatemalan Civil War
Guatemala's civil war began in 1960, but the army and death squads appeared to have contained it. However, Guatemala also saw an increase in violence in the late 1970s, marked by the 1978 Panzós massacre. In 1982 the resurgent guerrilla groups united in the Guatemalan National Revolutionary Unity. The presidency of Efraín Ríos Montt (1982-1983), during which he implemented a strategy he called "beans and bullets", is widely considered[by whom?] the war's turning point. The Guatemalan government and the severely weakened guerrillas signed a peace agreement in December 1996, ending the war.
United States response[edit]
Peace efforts[edit]
See also[edit]
1. ^ Francesca Davis DiPiazza. El Salvador in Pictures. p. 32.
3. ^ [1] CIA World Factbook. Accessed online February 21, 2008.
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Volvo S70
• lweisslweiss Posts: 342
I take my Volvo to Jiffy Lube for the regular oil changes and fluid fills. And they don't have access to (or don't know how to) reset the service light, it seems that only Volvo dealerships or specialty shops can do that. So I just ignore it.
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
or you can get yourself the nifty little service light reset tool from IPD. ;)
• asikaasika Posts: 8
On 1998 - 2001 C70, S70, S80, V70, S40 and V40, the service light reminder comes on at 7,500 mile interval or 750 hours of driving indicate oil and filter change is scheduled. It will stay on for 2 minutes. To reset that light, try:
1. Turn ignition off, press and hold the trip odometer reset button.
2. While holding the button turn ignition on (without starting the engine).
3. The service light will start flashing after 10 seconds.
4. Release the trip odometer button within 4 seconds.
5. The instrument cluster will produce a sound when the reset is complete and the light will go out.
*If the button is not released with 4 seconds, the light will not reset;; but it will stop flashing.
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
I can tell you firsthand that it doesn't work on a '98. Only a special tool can reset the light.
• I have had the same problem. Can anyone give us any suggestions on how to correct the problem.
Also the compressor and the fan motor work independently but not together. Please adivse.
• tlhjaytlhjay Posts: 1
I have a 98 Volvo S70 GLT w/about 130k miles, and the driver side window will not roll up, is this an unusual problem with this model, if not is it usually the motor or could it be the switch? Help! I get wet when it rains. Oh yea, is there anyway I can roll the window up manually until I get it fixed?
• i tried this on my 1998 volvo with no luck. but thanks anyway for the advice. :)
• is there any way i can increase the HP and torque of my 1998 volvo s70 glt without shelling over too much money?
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
what? you didn't believe me? ;)
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
how much is too much money?
You can get it chipped for a few hundred bucks. Produces tremendous results on a turbo car.
Just don't go running it on a track until you upgrade the exhaust, though.
There are plenty of chip manufacturers. I personally had planned on going with upsolute on my T5 ... but never went through with it, and now the car is gone. oh well.
anyway, what i liked about upsolute is that you could get an option where they give you a remote control to change the program to either stock or boosted. I thought this would be great if you either lend your car out or use valet parking. I believe it was around $400-$450 for this particular setup. Just the standard chip without the remote is maybe $350-$400. I haven't checked their prices in a while.
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
it could be the motor or the switch. Easy enough to diagnose by taking the door panel off, putting a test light on the motor, and hitting the switch. If power is going to the motor, but nothing happens, then its the motor.
I'm not sure about manually putting it up, but I'd imagine this would also involve removing the door panel.
Have you tried holding the switch and gently pulling up on the glass. Any result? Usually if the motor is just tired, you can get the window up this way.
• volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
ipd is probably your best bet to increase the power of your S70.
They represent TME, which is a Swedish tuning co.
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
well, the poster did say they didn't want to shell out alot of money. IPD is about twice the cost of just about any other chip option. I won't get into whether its worth it or not, because we both know that's been debated to death elsewhere. But let's just say, at this point, on a '98 S70 GLT, "protecting your investment" becomes less of a concern. It would be one thing if we were talking about a $20k car, or even a $10k car ... but we're not.
• volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
ipd isn't that bad. Plus, the customer service is great.
I had a bad experience w/ upsolute so I'm leery of them.
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
Would you please share your experience with upsolute? Like I said, I never got around to doing mine, so it would be good to have the info for future reference.
IPD is GREAT! Don't get me wrong. They do a tremendous amount of legwork for the volvo aftermarket scene, and their products are typically top notch. I just don't use them that much, personally. I purchased their stainless brake lines and some other odds and ends over the years. I just could never justify buying the more expensive stuff from them or even the common repair items (FCP Groton or alloemautoparts were much cheaper for the same stuff).
• volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
upsolute fried the ecu on my C70. Thankfully they bought me a new one, but still it was very aggravating.
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
did it fry while you were driving it? Or did they fry it while installing the chip. I can see the latter happening. I mean, that's a risk you take by soldering onto a circuit board.
Did you have to mail yours out? The other advantage that appealed to me about upsolute is that there was a dealer near by, so I could just drive there and have him do it on the spot.
• volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
it was done during the install.
I had my service dept overnight a new one.
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
ok. so an installer mistake, then. Not something I would hold against upsolute as a company, personally. That would be like writing off Volvo because one tech didn't fix your car properly.
• volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
the reason the problem occured in the first place was because upsolute had the wrong security code for the cars ecu.
• why does my 1998 volvo s70 glt have squeaky brakes??? is there any way to fix it? its sooo loud. i can see pedestrians walking on the street annoyed by the sound when i brake near them. advice is appreciated. thx!
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
when is the last time you changed the pads?
There are several causes of squeaking. Old pads, new pads, missing or broken retainer spring, lack of that pasty stuff the installer should put on the back of the pads, glazing, and probably other issues I'm failing to mention.
• jud_ejud_e Posts: 2
I'm having the same problems you describe. I took my S-70 to the dealer and they upgraded the software for the Throttle. I'm still having problems and they said it could be the antenna ring. Did you get your car fixed?
• volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
Most of the time it is dust between the pad and rotor.
You need to hose off the calipers regularly.
• The "Check Engine" light recently came on in my 99 S70. I took it to the mechanic, and he said the computer showed that both my O2 sensors need to be replaced. I looked for them on the Internet, and it seems that there are universal O2 sensors and OE (Original Equipment) sensors. The price difference between the two is very high. I want to know if the Universal ones are just as good as the OE ones or not. Moreover, any difference between brands (Bosh, Denso, Walker)?
Thank you for your help...
• Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,032
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• My S 70 ('99, 152k) sometimes fails to accelerate. RPMs will remain constant or slowly decrease for a couple of seconds before it switches back into 'normal mode' and starts accelerating. This situation occurs irregularly and at various speeds (of up to 60-70 mph). I had the throttle body replaced about 2 years ago and the dealer replaced the ETM several months ago when I had issues with "car idle hunts". Any advice?
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
so you step on the gas and the rpms actually drop or stay the same?
I'd have to say that's a throttle issue ... again. Its not responding to your inputs. If the ETM was just replaced several months ago, I'd go back to the same dealer and let them know you think you are having a problem with their replacement unit.
• Thanks
Yes, RPM go down and engine starts to stutter for a couple of seconds at low speeds. More specifically, if I am driving at more than 25-30 miles, I just feel temporary loss of engine power which corrects itself within 4-5 seconds -- and car starts to accelerate thereafter.
Differently, and when driving more slowly (i.e., after a complete stop) the engine will actually decrease RPM and it will be difficult to accelerate -- so that I actually pulled to the side of road..........
Separately, sometimes engine shuts down when I have no gear engaged (manual transmission). It also sometimes idles irregularly (between 800-1000 RPM) although not as wild as experienced two years ago (and when they changed throttle body).
Do you still recommend to go to dealership indicating issue with previously installed ETM unit (ETM was replaced free of charge in June 06 with following invoice indication: ETM was replace RO#247772)?
By the way can you direct me to a source to learn more about basic functionality of ETM unit?
• qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,690
unfortunately, I can't find a source that isn't a forum, which I'm not allowed to post.
If you search this board we are on now for ETM and ETS (the ETM is part of the ETS system), you'll find quite a bit of discussion right here.
Speaking of which, you may want to get yours cleaned and see if that fixes the problem.
If the problem is consistent (meaning the rpms ALWAYS drop when sitting still), I suppose it could be something like a vaccuum leak, but that would be tough to track down. Since the ETM is a known problem that crops up time and again on these cars, that would be the first place I would look.
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I'm interested in the following construction. Start with derived category of coherent sheaves witch equivalent to derived category of representations of some dg-algebra. Quasi-isomorphic dg-algebras gives the same "space" (or sheaves on "space") from derived point of view. So I regard $A_\infty$ algebras as natural data for derived non-commutative geometry. So, commutative algebraic constructions have counterparts on $A_\infty$ side. There are explicit description of localization, gluing, blowing up etc. for $A_\infty$ algebras? References are welcome, thanks.
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What you are trying to accomplish is running CGI scripts. So you have to use the uWSGI cgi plugin: https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/CGI.html
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I love using Putty as a ssh terminal in Window. But what I don't like about it is that it doesn't allow me to change font using shortcut or a mouse. Is there a way(or plugin) to change the font size in putty using the wheel in mouse or contrl +/- key just as in other applications such as Mac Terminal, Chrome,etc?
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You can do this in the default Cygwin terminal (mintty), which incidentally is based on bits of PuTTY. – ak2 Jun 28 '12 at 14:22
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No, there isn't. Fonts have to be configured before starting the session or during the session with a long list of actions (access the window system menu - change settings - window - appearance).
However in a derived project called ExtraPuTTY this function (ctrl + mousewheel up/down) is available in latest development snapshot ("ExtraPuTTY 0.28 (Ind 16) snapshot version")
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You can alternatively use AutoHotKey with this script. This isn't exactly a quiet way but it works. The shortcuts are Ctrl+Alt+= to increase the size, and Ctrl+Alt+- to decrease the size. If you want Ctrl +/- keys, just remove exclamation marks.
ChangeFontSize(Direction="Down") {
nIndex := 15;
WinGet, hWnd, ID, ahk_class PuTTY
hSysMenu := DllCall("GetSystemMenu", "UInt", hWnd, "UInt", False)
nID := DllCall("GetMenuItemID", "UInt", hSysMenu, "UInt", nIndex)
PostMessage, 0x112, nID, 0, , ahk_id %hWnd%
SendInput {Shift Down}{Tab}{Shift Up}a{LAlt Down}n{LAlt Up}{LAlt Down}s{LAlt Up}{%Direction%}{Enter}{LAlt Down}a{LAlt Up}
#IfWinActive ahk_class PuTTY
#IfWinActive ahk_class PuTTY
This was tested only on Windows 8.1 using PuTTY 0.62 (the vanilla one from the primary website). You may have to adjust nIndex value, which is 0-based and includes dividers, if your system menu looks different from what I have. If you're using a different version of PuTTY or a derivative then you may also have change the sequence of shortcut keys in the script. Make it work and enjoy.
This is what my PuTTY system menu looks like: PuTTY system menu on Windows 8.1
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Nice job! Pretty clever use of macros – Daniel Kessler Feb 5 at 17:27
At least on Windows 7 I increase/decrease the font size by holding Ctrl and scrolling the mouse wheel while in active Putty session
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Although PuTTY doesn't by default support scroll to resize, PuTTY Tray does. That product maintains a fork of PuTTY with enhancements and bug fixes not found in the traditional version. I prefer it because they use GitHub for collaborative contributions.
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I don't change the font size, but I make Mac Terminal bigger or smaller, with the following keys: ⌘+ ⌘-
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A wrenching economic downturn has brought into stark relief the financial realities of many black households: Prosperity is tenuous, security is elusive and footholds on the economic ladder are slippery. Of course, millions of working-class whites would no doubt argue that their economic fortunes have been similarly tenuous.
U.S. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., and chairman of the CBC, says the group deserves some of the credit for putting the issue of “unemployment on the front burner in the American dialogue” when much of political Washington was consumed by the debt debate. “Many of the proposals in the jobs bill are things we have been pushing,” he said. (Cleaver, by the way, has sometimes clashed with the president over policy, but says he was “not offended” by the speech.)
Email Cynthia Tucker at [email protected].
waltspecht 3 years, 2 months ago
Racial Prejudice, or just poor parenting? The work ethic of the last and the current generation has a lot to do with who is unemployed, and who isn't. Schooling, by that I mean actual accumulated knowledge, has a lot to do with it. No desire to do manual labor when you get equivilant or superior pay by working the system. Training in how to work the system, instead of training for a marketable skill is also at fault. Then there is the apparent fear of getting one's hands dirty. Everyone can't be a Boss. Respect is earned, it's not freely given. Too many young people have a problem differentiating between a work assignment and someone Dissin them. Sorry, but the junior employee usually gets to work their way up from the bottom.
TrixibelleBento 3 years, 2 months ago
I'm sorry, but I still believe that everyone has the same ability to work hard and prosper. With the economy right now, it's hard for EVERYONE to prosper. I'm a woman that has a pretty good job, but my retirement fund lost 14% last quarter. We're all struggling. I think we've all heard about how blacks have struggled in the past with slavery and civil rights, but there's no more slavery and we have a black president now. It CAN happen, but you can't call yourselves disadvantaged just because you don't get a $40K management job straight out of college. My first job out of college I made mid-20's with a Master's degree! It was a start though and I had to pay my dues.
I'm still from the camp that chooses persons based on their abilities rather than their skin color, gender, name, etc. If you are the most qualified, no matter who you are, then I will hire you. However, I will not hire you if you're expecting a handout or just a check for showing up. I reward those who work hard and accomplish the mission for my company. If you can't even get a high school diploma and blame everyone else for your lot in life, then you will not be hired.
Unfortunately, I think that Obama was hired by a lot of blacks so that their agenda would get more attention. Anyone remember those sickening YouTube videos where people applauded Obama's election because now they wouldn't have to pay their mortgage and would get a free ride? Obama was elected to help Americans, not just African-Americans. The sooner that they identify with being Americans first and African-Americans second, then we might get somewhere. I don't label myself as a Japanese-American. I'm American FIRST.
I didn't vote for Obama and don't really like most of the policies that he supports; however, I respect the office of the President and what he's up against. He's hired to support the AMERICAN agenda, not the agenda of a particular race.
gotanyfacts 3 years, 2 months ago
Cynthia Tucker is always an interesting read. There is always something to chuckle about, until you realize she is trying to be serious.
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Marc, I'll speak very slowly. You assert that it is possible for something to be both true and false. In ordinary human language, this means that you are saying that such a thing can be true. In mathematical terms, you are very definitely asserting that:
(True AND False) = True (at least in some cases)
You say that you are asserting that:
(True AND False) = (True AND False)
(and only (True AND False))
But of course by saying that some condition can hold, you are saying that it can be true. Just regular old true.
You also say that it is possible for something to not be both true and false. In ordinary human language you are saying that such a thing can be false. You are thereby equating the logical states of true and false. If you do this, then there is no such thing as true and no such thing as false. There is just an epistemological paste.
I'm on quite firm ground insisting that this is nonsense. You are speaking in vapors by insisting that things can be both true and false. If you truly believe this, then you are rejecting the very concepts of true and false. In so doing, you invalidate your own assertion.
You can stand and stare speechless if you like, but I'm not the loony one here. Accusing me of being illogical when I insist on hewing to the bedrock principles of logic is pretty rich. You're the one attempting to destroy logic itself. And somehow I'm the radical here? Don't think so.
The 'potential' of nothing is still nothing.
"Perhaps the potential of nothing is everything"
Time being the "big hill" to climb here.
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Is "potential" the same thing as "probability"?
I have no faith in that.
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Shahul X
• 7 Months Ago
Dream Car... take it over any ferrari/lambo etc....
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Looks like incredible fun, and is something out of my league which I will likely never even see, let alone drive. But I find the figures on the motor disappointing. A 2.3L IL 4 putting out only 285 hp/torque only moderately impressive if it is not turbo charged. If it is not turbocharged, I have to ask why not? There are plenty of examples reliable and well performing small displacement, turbocharged 2-2.5L 4 cylinders on the market today. Why not source a mill that makes more power or weighs less with same output built on one of these proven designs? Lets not forget that Honda made 200hp/torque out of a 2.0L IL4 15 years ago in a modified stock block for the S2000. Once you account for the 14% difference in displacement, that's only about a 5.9% gain in efficiency in all that time. Considering that the Mono is mostly a track day car and doesn't have to live up to the Honda legend of reliability, I expect more output, turbo or not. If it doesn't need more power, and I doubt it does need more power, then cut the displacement down and save the weight. They are excited about offering brake rotors that would save around 10-12 kilos, cutting this to a turbo 1.8L IL3 would have save more than that.
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I think the lack of a turbo is because they are prone to heat, complexity and reliability issues for what is primarily a track car. Packaging becomes an issue as well, where would you place the intercooler would be the most obvious concern of mine. Also your figures are incorrect. Honda never made a 2L with 200hp and 200tq. The highest outputs I could find for the following Honda engines; K20 201hp/142tq, K24 201hp/174tq, F22 240hp/162tq. 285hp and 206tq from a NA 2.3L is pretty damn impressive with a specific output of 124hp and 90tq per liter. Honda manages a still stellar 109hp and 74tq per liter from the F22. This makes sense since the Cosworth unit isn't a production line engine but a race bred one. Given the facts I just don't see how it's a disappointing engine, especially considering the power to weight ratio of this thing. I'll take a responsive NA engine versus one prone to lag and heat soak any day in this car.
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If he's been around 43 years...
Then he should realize that markets -- all markets -- typically breakout to the upside after they have hit a major resistance level 3 TIMES.
If you take a gander at this less than perfect 30 year chart you'll see that 1-2-3 breakout to the upside.
1 was 2000
2 was 2007
3 is now.
It is textbook technical trading 101.
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The higher the quality of food choices means the more nutrition that food will have. When selecting fasting foods, make sure that all the foods you choose are from real food sources (food that isn't made in a lab or processed in any way) with a focus on the best quality you can afford. That's it. You don't need any special pills or juices to get the best nutrition.
Focus your eating on quality meats, fish, seafood, and eggs; healthy fats and oils; vegetables and fruits; and nuts and seeds. They give your body the raw material it craves to be to be strong, lean, and healthy. All the processed, denatured foods, premade frozen foods, packaged foods, and sugary carbohydrates need to be kicked to the can! They only feed cravings and cause weight gain and disease.
You've likely spent a long time developing your eating habits, so breaking them and instituting new ones may take some time. The longer you've depended on sugary foods, the more difficult retraining your taste buds to recognize natural sweetness may be. Using healthful foods to fuel your body will go a long way in keeping you super lean and strong — for the long run.
Not having the money to purchase your desired food choices can sometimes be frustrating. Just know: You're still making monumental strides in getting lean and living long and strong when you take up fasting principles and eat non-inflammatory foods. Just do the best you can and don't stress out (which is even worse for you than eating a lower quality food!).
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shave older sister, solid 811 o blonde
bl have always felt something for her
bfather has to go on a trip and leaves us taking care of the house
suecide to make a move
ego to her room, she is reading some books by the window
mull up a chair and sit next to her
orrly eyes are focusing on her legs the whole time
my hand and put it on her lap
sshe looks at me and smiles
her thighs
Hooks at me again
been to kiss her
topees her mouth and our tongues touch
awe both lie on her bed and make out
mulls my dick out and puts it inside of her in one go
astards grinding like a pro
ffew minutes later I' m almost done
imam on her tits while she smiles at me
shave sex like more times that night
Heep doing this for a long time, when our father is not home
Home years later sister marries some dude
like a good guy actually
resister tells me we' re still going to have sex
won' t believe it but whatever
awe still have sex, but as not as usual as before
lets me cum inside
Home time later sister and her husband tell me she' s pregnant
resister tells me the kid might be mine
t know if she should have it
Hell her that probably the children is not mine, she should keep it
yher husband is more and more distant each day, sister seems depressed
at all changes when her son is born, she seems so happy
wears later, sister' s husband died in an accident so she has to take care of the kid
wwe still have sex from time to time
woe day sister tells me her son is going to get married
snot really like weddings but whatever
wwe' re having a good time, everybody' s drinking and chatting
sister' s son starts coughing
Halls to the floor
eeveryone' s frightened as **** , sister is trying to help him
proctors come and take him with them
Hells us there' s nothing they could do, the boy is dead
aactually one of the doctors tells us that he might have been poisoned
people start calling that day the purple wedding
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User avatar #5 - goldenfairy (05/12/2014) [+] (9 replies)
Anyone mind explaining? I don't get joke here.
User avatar #6 to #5 - iamnigers (05/12/2014) [-]
It's one of those long story jokes that troll at the end, this is one relevant to GoT from Jaime Lannisters perspective.
#13 - maaarknuuuut (05/13/2014) [-]
#23 - KIKORBV (05/13/2014) [+] (4 replies)
If anyone wants a wincest story with no trolling, this is one of my favorites by far
User avatar #22 - hailhisnoodliness (05/13/2014) [+] (1 reply)
>MFW this was in an incest thread on /b/ yesterday
>MFW I have no face
User avatar #1 - GnRNoD (05/12/2014) [+] (1 reply)
Saw it comming from the third line.
User avatar #3 to #1 - iamnigers (05/12/2014) [-]
Quit talking **** faget
User avatar #17 - deadinferno (05/13/2014) [+] (2 replies)
As soon as I read "suddenly sisters son starts coughing" it hit me like a ton of ******* bricks...
User avatar #19 to #17 - theguywhoaskswhy (05/13/2014) [-]
Maybe you could send some of those bricks my way.......?
User avatar #16 - yourinvisiblegf (05/13/2014) [-]
mfw no fw
#15 - tacoperson (05/13/2014) [-]
The books actually describe how their sexual relations started more in depth.
User avatar #2 - sewallman ONLINE (05/12/2014) [+] (1 reply)
OP, reply to this comment, press ctrl + w in the comment box and post results.
User avatar #4 to #2 - iamnigers (05/12/2014) [-]
I did that then hit Ctrl shift T and nothing happened?
User avatar #20 - yunoknow (05/13/2014) [-]
cersei's a solid nine at the very least in the books
#18 - anonymous (05/13/2014) [-]
Read the first sentence, brain be all like "nope, **** this".
User avatar #14 - altairibnlaahad (05/13/2014) [-]
I've never seen nor read GoT, but I got that reference.
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Hi. I *JUST* got Jedi Academy and I want to play the game with no cheats or anything, but I want to use the code to make enemies stay permenently when they are killed.
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In the main menu, before you load a game use shift + [Key above TAB, whatever that may be on your keyboard] to bring up your console then type:
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Walter Black (Gibson) is first seen floating in the chlorinated limbo of his back-yard swimming pool; barely able to formulate a sentence, he's been diagnosed as "hopelessly depressed" and, once his exasperated wife (Foster) kicks him out of their Westchester digs, he's ineptly suicidal. As Walter trembles, drunk and disconsolate, on the ledge of his motel roof, the movie's mysterious Cockney-accented voice-over (a ruder version of the gecko that sells insurance on television) is revealed to be that of Walter's manic self — a ratty hand puppet discovered in a dumpster that, once it starts talking to him, offers him a means to reinvent himself back into the world.
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Starring Jodie Foster, Mel Gibson, and Anton Yelchin. Directed by Jodie Foster. Written by Kyle Killen. 91 minutes. Rated PG-13.
Speaking through, even as he hides behind, his furry friend, Walter returns home. His younger son is delighted; his wife gets with the program once the Beaver explains he's been prescribed by a shrink. Walter jogs and showers with the puppet; he also uses it to address his employees, inspiring them to mass-produce something called the "Mr. Beaver Wood-Cutting Kit." The puppet is even there for the movie's kinkiest (and most inadvertently funny) scene, as Gibson enacts some hot conjugal sex with the movie's perpetually harried-looking director.
Gibson gives Walter's manic jag suggestive verisimilitude — particularly after the wood-cutting kit becomes a runaway hit and he takes to the airwaves, appearing with the Beav on Good Morning America, riffing with Jon Stewart, and interviewed by Terry Gross, who wonders why Walter needs his prop for a radio show. There's no way that Jim Carrey or Steve Carell, each formerly attached to the project, could have supplied this frisson. Gibson might be no one's idea of a method actor, but his pleasure playing nut-jobs, most apparent in the comic thriller Conspiracy Theory, seems weirdly confessional. (His more celebrated predilection — being beaten up onscreen — is also present, at the hand [sic] of the Beaver.)
Shot in autumn 2009, The Beaver was shelved when the monster from the Gibson id erupted last summer with revelations that he was verbally and physically abusing his girlfriend, and it has returned as something like a celluloid explanation. (Gibson pleaded no contest to a battering charge a week before the movie had its world premiere at South by Southwest.) Thanks to this lurid prequel, The Beaver is both exploitative and humanizing; thanks to Gibson's convincing conviction, it goes surprisingly deep into madness before resolving itself in a nimbus of new-age platitudes.
In Little Man Tate, Foster directed herself as the mother of an immaculately conceived kid genius; in Nell, Foster herself was the genius, a backwoods wild child with an invented language. She takes the maternal role in The Beaver — allowing Gibson the fun of babbling like a hyperactive 8-year-old — but she clearly identifies, having cited her own struggle with depression in flacking the movie. Perhaps that's the problem. Mel's character isn't on Prozac, but the movie is — a succession of bland camera setups, cued to a highly conventional score. If only the direction were half as nutty as the script or as whacked-out as its star!
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(126 Posts)
flaquark Sun 29-Sep-13 11:13:35
I had always promised DP that if I ever got pregnant we would get married - so we are getting married.
He is letting me decide all the bits and things. I came to the decision that I wanted to get married in a Jewish ceremony.
We are both jewish but both raised secular and dont believe in a God. But do and did all the other bits.
DP doesnt mind either way so there we go.
I have had more than a couple of comments from people that we shouldnt be doing this, that it is distrispectful things like that.
And it has me doubting and thinking that people will think we are just doing it for a 'pretty' wedding day.
Because I think it's relevant - I'm adopted and dont look 'jewish' (being black with white parents does that) (technically means I'm a convert) so I think I tend to wear my Jewness on my sleeve a bit.
sonlypuppyfat Sun 29-Sep-13 21:26:40
confused every days a school day!!
Catsize Sun 29-Sep-13 21:32:06
I have been in a civil partnership for seven years. As Christians, we would have loved to be married in a church, so this sort of thing always grates a lot a bit.
However, what troubles me even more is your marriage being conditional on your pregnancy. Eh? If you hadn't got pregnant, you wouldn't have married him?! confused
dancingwithmyselfandthecat Sun 29-Sep-13 21:41:56
I'm Jewish and see no issue with it. Jewish identity goes beyond the religious, and that is accepted by most, if not all rabbis. If you are Jewish according to the synagogue you want to get married in, then you have a right to get married there. In Jewish law a wedding is a contract between two people unlike Christianity where it is a sacrament andtherefore there is not the same issue of being secular.
SamG76 Sun 29-Sep-13 21:44:54
Thanks, dwm&cat. You put it much better (and more tactfully) than I did!
TeaAndABiscuit Sun 29-Sep-13 23:54:52
If it's important to you then who cares what anyone else thinks or your reasons for doing it.
Lablab Mon 30-Sep-13 00:24:33
Louise, what an obnoxious post.
LouiseAderyn Mon 30-Sep-13 07:12:37
why is it lablab? I think it hurts no one to get married in a church, even if you only do it because it is pretty. If god exists then I doubt he would mind. The views of people who would object to someone doing the thing that makes them happy on their wedding day are not worthy of consideration.
if it turns out that god does exist and 'does' mind, then I'll take it up with him wheb the tine comes!
monkeymamma Mon 30-Sep-13 08:07:15
I got married in a church and am not Christian. It's massively insulting to imply it was for the pretty building! It's odd so many atheists on here are able to show so much respect for religion and none for culture. I am culturally Christian, I grew up in Christian communities, learned the stories of that faith, visited ancient churches and cathedrals, looked at art based entirely, for 100s of years, on the Christian story. I also celebrate Christmas every year, a lovely mixture of Christian, pagan and Victorian traditions (as I'm sure do most of the people on here shouting hypocrite). It is a sign of how seriously I take my marriage that I wanted to make those vows somewhere that had huge cultural and emotional importance for me. Iirc there were not promises of faith in the ceremony but only to do with marriage (yes, in the eyes of god - but a number of Christians have now posted to make clear that the god they know would not be offended by this). I didn't feel I was lying or making promises I couldn't keep.
IMO it is disgraceful that the only options for atheists are to marry in church (and thus become as I did and the op has done, subjects of a lot of very nasty comments, many to my face and from close friends), marry at enormous expense in a hotel or specialist wedding venue (a cost which I can well imagine is enough to put some couples off getting married altogether) or marry in a grey, faceless registry office (and lucky you if your local registry office is not like this ... Many definitely are). Not as disgraceful as not allowing same sex weddings in church, but that's a whole other thread...
YANBU op, please do what feels right and natural to you - and I hope you have wonderful day!
Catsize Mon 30-Sep-13 08:25:14
louise, I think (contrary to your opinion) that you would find that your views on this are insulting to many, but according to you, they are not worthy of your consideration. Pointless me pointing it out really as you won't care, but there we go... sad
Trills Mon 30-Sep-13 08:30:56
I would find it very odd, if I knew that you did not believe in God, that you had chosen to make serious important promises to one another while essentially lying.
Unless you think you can somehow have the ceremony without mentioning God or promising anything to God (who you think does not exist)?
I'm another Jewish atheist
I think it's difficult for Christians in the UK to understand because they have no equivalent, where observance and belief are separate things
personally I am not observant or a believer but for most Jews it's about how you live your life not what you believe in
especially when it comes to life events like birth, marriage. death
people from catholic countries tend to find it easier to understand
LouiseAderyn Mon 30-Sep-13 08:53:04
The church is endorsed by the state - we have bishops sitting in the houses of parliament snd therefore I do believe the church should provide it's services to anyone who requires it.
I dont recall my church objecting much, when it took the fees for conducting my wedding. And yes, they were aware that I was not a church goer etc.
Catsize Mon 30-Sep-13 09:01:33
Precisely Louise. The Church of England is obliged to marry those who meet the criteria, with a discretion re:divorcees and those who have undergone gender reassignment. Perhaps surprisingly, there are no criteria as to faith. This is partly because it is the Established Church. Could write 15,000 words on this but won't.
The obligation of the CofE to marry you doesn't make your attitude any less offensive I am afraid.
Hope your photos were lovely, even though your motives were not.
Chunderella Mon 30-Sep-13 09:21:37
Trills did you not read the bit about how the OP will indeed be having a ceremony without mentioning God or making any vows? I admit I didn't know that until now, and I've actually been to a Jewish wedding quite recently, but it was right here in the thread! The discussion about different religious attitudes here has been very illuminating. I'm not C of E and am not keen on the existence of a state church. But since we do have one, I wouldn't be impressed to be denied marriage there. They shouldn't be able to have it both ways. Heartinaspade's point about RC countries is a good one. I'm Catholic too, for me it's a cultural identity rather than a religious belief, and obviously this is something Jewish people understand better than many. There's kind of a similarity between the two in that aspect. And yes, it's quite funny that so many people seem to have such a double standard in that it's fine to do something for religious reasons but apparently not cultural.
Catsize I sympathise. However, the problem with the situation you face is that gay people can't get married in a church, not that straight people whose motives you don't approve of can. Also, do you know the Metropolitan Community Church at all?
LouiseAderyn Mon 30-Sep-13 09:23:04
My motives were to marry the man I loved in as nice a place as I could find. I got married before it was possible to choose hotels etc for the ceremony and my only legal alternative was a poky room in a grotty building. No regrets here from that perspective - my photos are lovely and I dont consider my motives to be bad either!
On a wider note, I do not believe that churches should have the right to marry people unless they are going to provide the service for all people who have the legal right to wed. I think they should only be allowed to carry out blessings and the legal part should be carried out by the state.
My only real regret is in choosing a place to get married that would have denied my darling sister the same right ( she is gay). I wish I had thought that through a lot more.
Mizza76 Mon 30-Sep-13 09:26:30
In the Jewish marriage ceremony, there are no vows to god or anything like that. As is appropriate - in Judaism, what you do is far more important than what you believe. Perhaps the people in your work place don't understand this crucial difference between Judaism and Christianity. You can be a Jewish atheist and still be happily Jewish. They sound extremely mean anyway. Why are they trying to ruin your special day?
Trills Mon 30-Sep-13 09:39:40
Er, then this is the obvious answer.
The people making the comments are not aware that it is possible to have a "Jewish" wedding that is Jewish in tradition but does not actually mention God. And so they are (perfectly reasonably) commenting that they think it would be weird to have a wedding that mentions a God that you do not believe in.
On churches and same sex marriages - I think that everyone should have to have a civil ceremony (or even just a civil paper-signing) at a government-registered place, and then they can go have whatever vows/pictures/cake/dresses they like at any place of their choosing (church/mosque/hotel/woods/beach/back garden). No one religion's church should be able to do more or less than any other.
Maryz Mon 30-Sep-13 09:46:43
I think Louise's attitude is very reasonable.
It's the same reasoning many people have about baptising children. If there is a god, will he really mind if you follow religious customs without fully believing in all the laws around organised religion. And if god exists, and minds, does anyone want anything to do with such a god?
And if there is no god, does it matter?
Personally I believe there is a lot of cultural significance to religious ceremonies that simply isn't replicated in most civil ceremonies. And that many people who were brought up with those ceremonies surrounding birth, marriage and death would miss them. Certainty of belief isn't a prerequisite for wanting a link with the culture.
Maryz Mon 30-Sep-13 09:49:10
And I also think the fact that the op is adopted is very significant.
I know it's very important to dd, for example, to feel included in things to do with us (her adoptive family), to know about family traditions and to inherit family traits and belongings. It is probably much more important to her than it is to ds2, who inherits blood and therefore is more confident in his belonging.
If that makes sense?
Chunderella Mon 30-Sep-13 10:03:59
Trills although some people's posts were made before Sam and Dancing explained, yours wasn't.
Interesting point re being adopted Maryz. can see where you're coing from.
ABaconAndOnionTart Mon 30-Sep-13 12:48:53
Louise, although my opinion is not worthy of your consideration, I will offer it anyway.
Getting married in church is an act of worship before God. Most of the traditions of marriage, family sat on either side, white dress etc are derived from the Bible.
The words Dearly Beloved are an invitation to the congregation to partake in that act of worship, and the words that the bride and groom say are a covenant with God.
By reducing this down to have a pretty venue is rather insulting to those people who think that churches are more than wedding venues.
Perhaps you need to consider how God would feel about you performing a false act of worship. And also how it makes Christians feel.
Maryz Mon 30-Sep-13 12:49:58
Are you a Christian ABacon?
Because in my church, everyone is welcome.
ABaconAndOnionTart Mon 30-Sep-13 13:04:59
Everyone is welcome in my church too, they wouldn't want to be married there though, it's not pretty enough!
We do ask that people only take communion if they believe, so why should making promises to God be any different?
LouiseAderyn Mon 30-Sep-13 13:07:24
It's daft to say to an atheist 'how do you think god would feel?' So far as I am concerned there is no god. Thus for me, a church is a pretty building and as an institution has benefited from public money (historically, at least) and state endorsement. I consider that I have a right to use it . If the time cones when church and state are completely separate, I will reassess my position on this.
My using it as a pretty location takes nothing from you - you are not compelled to attend the wedding of someone whose views offend you.
As I said earlier, I considered that I was making my vows to dh, rather than to god.
Catsize Mon 30-Sep-13 13:07:51
chunderella, my issue with this is not so much as a gay woman but as a Christian. Sure, it is galling that Louise can marry in church and I can't (even more galling for the vicar if he/she is gay!) but that is an issue for the church to sort out. What bothers me more is the covenant of marriage, and the promises made to a God the participants do not believe in. I find that insulting to people who do. It makes the ceremony very disingenuous in my opinion as the vows are not just made between two people, as suggested by Louise. I have been to a number of atheists' weddings in church, including my brother's, and found them a bit odd. Their lack of belief made their vows less sincere in my opinion.
Equally, there is a part of me that would rather have atheists in church than out of them.
For what it is worth Louise, I too am of the opinion that everyone should have to have a State wedding with a religious element later if they so choose, until everyone can marry in the Established Church. I am a somewhat liberal Christian in favour of disestablishment until the gender recognition/divorcee/same-sex matters are changed. shock
Think how offended proper vegetarians got on a recent thread by people who ate fish, occasional chicken etc. calling themselves vegetarian. Then multiply that by lots.
Anyway, conscious of this going somewhat off-thread...
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(120 Posts)
NoComet Wed 27-Feb-13 14:59:13
Ofsted chief Sir Michael Wilshaw wants paid governors.
I am just the sort of non professional, parent governor he hates.
I put in many hours of my time for free, attending meetings, reading documents, understanding data. (Yes, I do understand the data) and attending trainings.
I have two DCs at the school and I care passionately about their education. I care that they make more than three levels of progress and get 5 A-C GCSEs.
I care that the school employs good staff and balances the books so it can continue to provide them.
But I also care about the buses, the lunches, the extracurricular activities, the concerts and the plays.
I care about the state of the buildings, the toilets and the decrepit boiler.
Some of these things have a direct financial implications and all of these things impact on pupils, and often, staff moral.
If you are cold, missed lunch because the queue was too long or you are getting bullied on the bus you are not going to concentrate in lessons.
If you find making friends difficult then choir or painting scenery for the play can make lunch time way more bearable.
If home life is difficult it may be far easier to talk to a teacher you've got to know well on a school trip, than your head of house.
Yes, the bottom line is achieving qualifications, but to do that you need pupils who feel safe and valued.
The most Outstanding teacher in the world can't deliver an Outstanding lesson to a pupil who is being bullied and refuses to come to school.
jennybeadle Wed 27-Feb-13 15:04:45
I totally agree with you. OP. Wrote a big wrong reply, but you've said it actually.
NoComet Wed 27-Feb-13 15:06:10
In short schools need some of their governors to care about more than the bottom line and to sweat the small stuff the SLT may not have time for.
Our DCs are more than a project to be managed!
annh Wed 27-Feb-13 15:24:49
The more I read from that man, the more irritated I get. I am also a school governor and think payment would attract all the wrong sort of people. If you are not interested in being a school governor as a volunteer, how is payment suddenly going to make it a more attractive proposition? For payment to make any difference, it would have to be set at a level which would then attract people with little interest in governance who would, however, see it as a nice little earner which could fit in around the school run.
Would all governors be paid - or only some? If only some, how do you decide which ones? How would that impact on the volunteer governors? And if the idea is to attract better-quality governors, how will this be decided/monitored? Will parent governors be interviewed and no longer decided by parent vote? Whose budget is this coming from?
grovel Wed 27-Feb-13 15:31:57
I suppose there might be an argument for having "professional" clerks to the governors. Magistrates are volunteers but have, in Court, a professional who can guide them through the trickier issues. It's still the beaks who make the decision.
grovel Wed 27-Feb-13 15:33:32
By the way I'm not recommending that - I'm simply pointing out another set of volunteers with responsible jobs who get "professional" support.
NoComet Wed 27-Feb-13 15:52:15
We already do have a clerk and she is brilliant, she takes minutes and circulates documents, oversees parent governor elections and a hundred and one other things, but she doesn't speak (beyond to clarify procedure) or vote at meetings.
annh Wed 27-Feb-13 16:06:16
But clerks already are "professionals" in the sense that it is an advertised role which goes to the best-qualified candidate and is paid. We used to employ ours direct but now get it through our LA training provider and she is brilliant. As she clerks for a couple of bodies, she is very competent, knowledgeable and up to date on all requirements.
grovel Wed 27-Feb-13 16:15:24
OK, I retreat. Graciously.
(Or should I suggest professional Chairs - like stipendiary magistrates. No, I don't think I will).
Elibean Wed 27-Feb-13 16:23:56
Agree, OP!
lljkk Wed 27-Feb-13 16:27:38
I would like all LEAs to offer to take over all community run preschools. I think it's a travesty that 50% of preschool ed in this country is directed by untrained unqualified inexperienced people.
Governors get way more support than preschool committees.
Wish Gove would set his sights on preschool management.
hermancakedestroyer Wed 27-Feb-13 16:36:35
I am a parent Governor at a small village school. I work part time at a secondary school and earn very little. I am very dedicated to my cause and happily attend meeting at my expense (as I travel a fair distance to attend). I attend courses willingly at my expense and do photocopying at my expense. With the economy being as it is and household budgets being tightened I'm actually thinking that I may have to relinquish my duties as a parent governor as I can no longer afford to do it. I would personally welcome a small income for doing the hours and putting in the huge amount of effort that I do and it may also go someway to making me feel valued which at the moment I don't.
I am not in anyway a Gove fan but think that paying Governors a small income should be considered. We are not all earning enough to be able to do voluntary work.
I was a school governor at my DC's Nursery School. It was interesting, especially as I care a lot about the early years. But I found it was actually quite difficult to raise independent questions and/or get our concerns as parent governors on the agenda.
The agenda already seemed very full to me.
I think it can be quite a confusing and frustrating experience for parents, though obviously people will have different skills and experience to bring to the role.
On the report I heard the Ofsted chief seemed to be saying contradictory things - on the one hand he wanted parent governors to be more challenging, and on the other he wanted them to support the head more !
hermancakedestroyer Wed 27-Feb-13 16:38:18
Also agree with IIjkk - pre-school committees get very little support and this also needs to be addressed.
TeamEdward Wed 27-Feb-13 16:41:50
OP, totally agree with you.
My DH is a parent governor at our DC's school (and their previous school too). He has been a teacher for nearly 20 years, and is on SLT at a local Academy, so he knows teaching from both sides of the desk IYSWIM. He gives his time, and it's a lot of time, freely and willingly to support the school and make it the best it can be. But after this morning's news report about Wilshaw's speech I can see how demoralised so many governing bodies must be feeling.
Gove & Wilshaw are determined to ruin Education. It makes me sick.
Paying a governing body will not improve a school - it's just a way to encourage privatisation of state education.
Sir Michael said weaknesses in leadership, including governing bodies, were a common problem among the 6,000 schools rated less than good.
6000 schools are rated less than good because Ofsted rapidly changed the grading boundaries and schools have not had enough time to adjust policies and procedures to meet these changes. The Governors cannot be blamed for that. Also, he says "leadership, including governing bodies" - anybody who has ever been involved in a school with bad leadership from a Head will know how hard it is for a GB to remove the person from that role. Again, GBs cannot be blamed for legalities and red tape concocted by the DfE.
<rant over for now >
TeamEdward Wed 27-Feb-13 16:45:00
lljkk I am on a local playgroup's committee and agree that the lack of support and training is shocking, especially as the playgroup now has to jump through so many EYFS hoops.
hermancakedestroyer Wed 27-Feb-13 16:46:17
The agenda does seem to be packed in these Governor meetings and it doesn't seem very clear to me as a parent Governor whether I'm supposed to liaise with parents to put forward their point of view. I think the government should produce a parent governor information pack to explain quite an unusual role.
annh Wed 27-Feb-13 16:47:36
Herman you should not be travelling or doing copying at your own expense. Does your governing body not have an expenses policy? Ours does and both travel costs and childcare (up to a maximum of about £20) is covered. In practice, I think hardly anybody every uses it but it is certainly available and offered to all governors. We do our copying on the school copiers.
Concerning pre-schools lljkk ....
Whilst I agree that it would be great to encourage and reward better qualified staff I don't think it's true to say that at present much early years ed is being run by "untrained, unqualified, inexperienced people"
I have a teaching qualification and a further early years qualification and have recently been working in pre-schools. I wasn't the only person there with a teaching qualification either, but sadly these were barely recognised, and not rewarded fairly.
Many of the staff had a lot of experience and there was a lot of good practice.
The pre-schools were Ofsted inspected and two I worked in had gained an "outstanding"
annh Wed 27-Feb-13 16:53:49
Herman sorry we cross-posted! Did you do the introductory training for governors? It is made very clear there that parent governors are there as parent representatives, and not there as delegates to represent parent views or to report back to them.
TeamEdward Wed 27-Feb-13 16:54:52
Juggling, I think lljkk was referring to preschool "governing bodies" or committees, not staff in the setting.
Poledra Wed 27-Feb-13 16:57:09
Herman, it was made clear to me by our Chair that I am on the governing body as a representative parent, not as a representative of the parents, IYSWIM.
Fair enough.
Anyway I do agree that pre-schools generally should be looked at in both their staffing structures and management to ensure all children benefit from an outstanding early years education - which will benefit them throughout their learning and life.
MamaChoo Wed 27-Feb-13 17:06:21
I don't mind being paid, obviously, but (a) it's not why I do it and (b) where is the money coming from, in these times of Austerity? Not out of my childrens' education budget I hope.
jennybeadle Wed 27-Feb-13 17:10:26
Herman you should ask your chair to point you in the direction of local authority training. Your authority should have a point person responsible for governors. You might find more info on your council website. e.g. here is teh page for Richmond Council Governor Support
TheDailyWail Wed 27-Feb-13 17:14:23
You sound like a fantastic Governor NoComet. I agree with you.
AmandaCooper Wed 27-Feb-13 17:15:13
Personally I'd like to see the line management of heads removed from volunteers governors to salaried area managers. I think it's a lot to ask of local volunteers to properly hold head teachers to account. Area managers could hear appeals on staff grievances and disciplinaries as well. While there are a lot of very fine and capable governors, governing bodies vary greatly in terms of both competence and appetite for tackling more difficult issues.
Osmiornica Wed 27-Feb-13 17:18:53
Totally agree with this. I don't know where these paid professional governors are supposed to come from. In ours there's already a mix of backgrounds and qualifications.
I also don't see where the money would come from. If direct from the school then does that mean the governing body decides who and how much to pay itself? If not then will that mean less money given to the schools for more important things. We're already trying to run the school on a shoestring.
Amphitrite Wed 27-Feb-13 17:23:13
I've been a governor for eight years and chair for two and over the years I have put in many hundreds of hours of unpaid work on behalf of the school. I am also a teacher (although not in the same school).
I completely agree with what NoComet and others have said on here. The people on our governing body are very hardworking and dedicated. We do it because we want our children and our community to have the best school possible, to get the best value for money possible and to leave the school as happy, well-rounded, well-educated. individuals. We do an excellent job (which was noted in our last Ofsted.) Payment would not help us do the job better nor would it attract a higher quality of candidate (rather the reverse I should think). Once again Wilshaw has shown himself incapable of understanding what motivates most people involved in education.
hermancakedestroyer Wed 27-Feb-13 17:37:30
Thank you Jennybeadle and Poledra for your comments. I will look into expenses policy. The problem is that everyone else on the GB have very well paid jobs and so don't feel the need to claim expenses. It terms of the induction training - it did not clarify whether or not to represent the parents.
Thank you I will ask the chair about further training. Am fairly new to this but don't feel very well supported by my GB! smile
hermancakedestroyer Wed 27-Feb-13 17:39:57
Good point AmandaCooper
HidingInTheHonsCupboard Wed 27-Feb-13 17:50:16
Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I should have thought that if the government decided to pay governors, then they would want to try to please their employers, who would be changing on a fairly regular basis. Wouldn't professionalising the governing body actually give more power to the government? Whereas now, don't they simply try to do the best for the school they're responsible for, and try to shield it from the cuts in funding, and benefit from the rises when they come?
As an aside, none of the people I know who serve on governing bodies of independent schools do so on anything other than a voluntary basis.
lainiekazan Wed 27-Feb-13 18:24:02
I can't see how paying people would improve the calibre of governor.
I have in my time come across some crap governors (usually parent governors who misunderstand the role and think they are there to talk about parking or have an axe to grind). These people will drift off at present, but if money is involved, then thoroughly unsuitable applicants might hang on for dear life.
LineRunner Wed 27-Feb-13 18:31:56
I would definitely like to make sure that governorrs are not left out of pocket, because that puts off people who might need to pay for childcare or transport.
(I say this from experience. I was a governor at my DC's primary schools and the meetings were always 4-6pm, and I am a lone parent. There was no creche.)
So I think there should be some sort of attendance allowance.
Also, if governors had a training alllowance it would help them access quality training, at a time when LAs are slashing the free and subsidised training available centrally for budgetary reasons.
NUFC69 Wed 27-Feb-13 18:34:54
Paying governors seems like insanity to me - look what happened when we started to pay local councillors; they are now career politicians. A couple of years ago our local council (Northumberland) published how much they were paying councillors and the sums involved were staggering; I think that every councillor got over £10,000 and that didn't include expenses which should quite rightly be paid. Where would the money come from? I am quite sure that we would all rather the schools had the extra money. And I am pretty sure that the people who are already governors are totally committed in any case.
LineRunner Wed 27-Feb-13 18:38:17
Quite a lot of councillors are also school governors and sit on the Boards of local charities and community groups.
lainiekazan Wed 27-Feb-13 18:50:43
Absolutely, nufc69.
The amount paid to councillors is a disgrace. Round here it is a (retirement) job for life and one that pays jolly well. Many councillors' interest and attendance is an outrage. In fact I have occasionally considered mounting a campaign to overhaul the system!
NoComet Wed 27-Feb-13 18:52:21
Thanks for the support. I don't object to travel expenses and child care costs, but actually paying governors strikes me as a very slippery slope.
I feel very fortunate that I escaped our preschool committee. The primary school had to hand over control just as DC left.
I know it is a very difficult job, they are part governors and part fundraising group. Given our pre school has 20 or 30 pupils the pool of parents is tiny and people are more or less forced to volunteer.
singingsoprano Wed 27-Feb-13 19:05:37
I agree with the OP, but perhaps expenses should be paid for travel etc.
LineRunner Wed 27-Feb-13 19:05:39
Councillors used to get expenses only for attendance - literally, the 'attendance allowance'.
I think it moved to annual allowances (tax and NI payable) to save money because the other system was so cumbersome to administer; and there was also feeling that you needed to compensate people for missing out on paid work opportunties - some councillors easily do 25-30 hours a week - otherwise the councils would stay dominated by retired businessmen.
How many hours a week should a Chair of Governors put in? Line management, running a multi-million pound budget - sounds a bit heavy duty to me.
dayshiftdoris Wed 27-Feb-13 19:06:36
I have just become a Governor and I have to say that whilst I don't agree that payment is the answer that I do agree that the quality of the Governing body can have a direct impact upon a school.
There are lots of reason why I have volunteered as a Governor (I am actually a LA Governor for a school that I dont have children at) but one of those reason is that I saw first hand how a Governing body made up entirely of staff and parents damaged a school and affected the children within it.
The school was investigated as it was failing SEN pupils in the end but with a number of parents of the Governing body who openly felt that there were too many of 'those' kids in the school then it was no surprise.
We are now in a different school and one of the reasons I am not on there Governing body is that I lost the election by 1 vote after only a month in the school yard and so was asked to consider the LA position... however this would have meant that over 60% of the Governing body were parents and after I long chat with the Clark I declined the position.
In a good school this will never be an issue as they self-regulate well - my son's school have been more than open about their concerns and sort my opinion on their Governing body too... the school I am Governor for didnt know me from Adam and thus decided to interview before offering me the position. They are a religious school and I do not have a faith yet they see this as a positive not a negative.
Failing schools will continue to fail and paying their Governors will not motivate them to change but rather will pay them for being poor leaders. Rather when a school is not performing then the Governing body should be audited and a perhaps an LA Governor with experience should be co-opted on.
exoticfruits Wed 27-Feb-13 19:10:16
I can't see how paying people would improve the calibre of governor
I can't see that they would pay enough-or where the money is coming from. However, at the moment people put in an amazing amount to work for free and then get criticised for not being good enough!
LineRunner Wed 27-Feb-13 19:20:04
I think that's why in my area lots of LA Governor appointments are councillors - because they are already receiving a remuneration, they feel it's the right thing for them to do. Or is it having the confidence to step forward?
I know of two Chairs of Governors who are CofE vicars - again, already on the 'social payroll' and willing (obliged?) to step forward.
Still masses of vacancies, though - and too many schools that aren't good enough.
snoworneahva Wed 27-Feb-13 19:33:30
I agree wholeheartedly with the OP education is about more than just numeracy and literacy and also agree with AmandaCooper regarding having something akin to an Area Manager to keep the Head in line.
Osmiornica Wed 27-Feb-13 19:37:40
Linerunner - we're allowed to claim expenses including childcare if needed. Have you asked? You shouldn't be out of pocket for volunteering.
But I would be worried about them pleasing their employees at the expense of things not covered by Ofsted (presumably the way they'd judge success or failure of the governors).
LineRunner Wed 27-Feb-13 19:43:01
Hi Osmiornica - I was last a governor a good few years ago, but two different Headteachers told me there were no expenses payable for childcare.
Do your expenses payments come from the school?
TeamEdward Wed 27-Feb-13 19:51:23
If a school is a church school, then a rep from the diocese will be on the GB. That's why so many vicars/deacons/vergers are on GBs.
Talkinpeace Wed 27-Feb-13 20:11:04
as somebody who deals with Parish Councils a lot,
the idea of a professional Clerk to the Governors
in charge of training, correspondence, elections and compliance is a MUCH better idea
as clerks could work for several schools - who would share the cost,
they are already paid,
and could have direct reporting lines for if things started to go pear shaped
Paying governors is unlikely to increase the quality of the governors and is likely to be very expensive. I have been a governor but am not one at the moment. I am a qualified professional in a field relevant to school governance and this was valuable to the school when I was a governor. The hourly rate that would be paid to governors would be nowhere near my hourly rate for my job so wouldn't be much of an incentive for me and would probably seem a bit insulting, where as doing it as a volunteer felt like a good deed in the community. Also a lot of governors devote a huge amount of time to it, particulary the chair. The cost of paying for those hours would be enormous.
LineRunner Wed 27-Feb-13 20:31:02
I don't think it could be afforded at jury service rates. Attendance allowance / expenses maybe.
But there are so many vacancies, and so many schools judged in need of improving - and like posters have said above, a GB of mostly staff and parents talking about parking isn't a good GB.
Wigeon Wed 27-Feb-13 20:37:31
Hmm, very interesting thread. Does anyone know what Gove's view is? Because that is surely more key, than Sir Michael's view, to whether or not there is any realistic prospect of governors being paid.
Sir Michael has not suggested where the money to pay governors would come from. I would imagine that there is no money anywhere...
It seems to me that there is a very interesting parallel with payment of charity trustees (where most charities are not allowed to pay their trustees, but a small minority are) - arguments for and against the payment of trustees have been rumbling on for years. There's a very interesting blog from the charity umbrella body NCVO here about the issues (the thoughtful, informed comments at the end of the blog are also interesting).
The charities which tend to pay their trustees tend to be the mega big ones (income over £10 million) with large, complicated operations and many staff (think Wellcome Trust). Is a very large school the kind of place where paid trustees would make sense?
I am a parent governor at an Infants' School - in my experience so far, much better than paying us would be much better to have greater supervision (from the local Council? The School Improvement Partner? From Ofsted?) of whether the Governors had any clue at all, or even if they did, whether they actually carried out their duties properly. Leaving the governing body to its own devices for years and years between Ofsteds means that there are very long periods for things to drift / coast / potentially go wrong. Some children in the school will have gone through the whole school without it being inspected at all, since there are only 3 years (it being an Infants), and some inspections are now only every 5 years. There is no real accountability in the meantime of a governing body which is complacent, un-engaged, coasting, reluctant to challenge or even engage with a difficult and entrenched head...
peacefuleasyfeeling Wed 27-Feb-13 20:49:11
Governance in our school is good and the level of engagement and enthusiasm is sometimes touching just because the governors are doing it from a place of genuine care and generosity. They are passionate about our school and I wonder if we would attract the same kind of people if the positions were paid.
LineRunner Wed 27-Feb-13 20:50:48
I agree about difficult and entrenched Heads.
I sat in a GB meeting once and we voted to alter a policy. The Head completely ignored the vote and carried on regardless. Cringe-making stuff, especially when at the next meeting, when people knew there would need to be an awkward challenge, they sent apologies and it wasn't even quorate.
Wigeon Wed 27-Feb-13 21:04:07
peacefuleasyfeeling - but the converse is that some (GB) volunteers lack engagement and enthusiasm, don't genuinely care and aren't that generous (with their time or brain power)...what do you do about them?
I'd be amazed if governors actually accepted payment. To be sitting in a meeting discussing what cuts to make because of the poor budget available and know that you were getting paid to be there? I couldn't do it. I would much rather the money was spent in the school.
ReallyTired Wed 27-Feb-13 21:16:48
My understanding was that it was only suggested that governors should be paid for failing schools. A govenor should be a critical friend and a failing school needs someone who knows what they are talking about to give high quality advice. I suppose the logic is that all failing schools are turned into academies and that paid governors replace the local authority advisors.
Parent governors sometimes only see a school from their view point. Having governors with no connection to the school and with no relgious axe to grind is essential. Many schools struggle to attract community governors of any description.
merrymouse Wed 27-Feb-13 22:05:28
I thought they were only proposing paying governors where they needed to recruit experts to turn around failing schools? I didn't think it was suggested that all governors should be paid?
bigbuttons Wed 27-Feb-13 22:19:42
my mum is COG at a very large comprehensive where my children go. She is always there having meetings with the head and staff. She can only do the 'job' because she works part time and gives up an enormous amount of her time. I think she should get something for her time and energy.
Talkinpeace Wed 27-Feb-13 22:20:37
I heard Wilshaw being interviewed on the R4 Lunchtime news.
He is just kite flying.
For a start he talked about LEAs covering the costs - which is bilge as half of secondary schools are no longer in LEA control.
It will cost money
it will not happen
HappyMummyOfOne Wed 27-Feb-13 22:21:05
I certainly wouldnt be happy to be paid as a governor, school budgets barely cover anything as it it. Neither would i accept expenses.
I do it as have an active interest in the school and the childrens futures, money wouldnt make me do it any better as i already give 100%. Its a lot of hours but i knew that before signing up. We use skills audits to ensure governors are used ti the strengths etc.
MegBusset Wed 27-Feb-13 22:37:36
I'm the chair of our local preschool committee and think it's a terrible way to run a preschool. We have a nightmare trying to get enough parents to volunteer for the committee, most DC are only at the preschool for a year (two at most) so the committee turnover is very high.
Those who do volunteer, although keen to help, are mostly completely inexperienced (I count myself among them). I have to make decisions about training, recruitment, fees, wages and business decisions which I am totally unqualified to do. But I had to step up as chair because nobody else would, and the setting would not have been able to remain open.
If the committee could be paid a small stipend it would certainly help attract parents. It may also raise our reputation with the preschool staff, who sometimes like to complain about the committee while forgetting that they're getting paid for their work and we're not!
Having been a parent governor I think it would be quite nice to be paid a small amount to cover your expenses and as a token of appreciation.
It would be nice not to have to work out mileages and claim for petrol, or stamps, stationary, or photocopying or what have you. Would be nice if you were just given £5 or a £5 voucher at each meeting you went to ! Because most people in my experience end up not claiming anything.
LineRunner Wed 27-Feb-13 22:47:16
MegBusset You are spot on about this. I have seen pre-school and community association committees go completey down the pan because they were hopelessly out of their depth and/or unaccountable and without a professional lead.
By 'professional' I mean attitude not fees.
But it is harsh I think to expect volunteers to be out of pocket if it deters them from participating in one of the most important governance roles in the country.
BoffinMum Wed 27-Feb-13 22:47:27
Well, I'm governor of two schools. I have a PhD in Education, I am an ex teacher and I'm currently a lecturer in education. Properly qualified for the job by anyone's standards.
If they want me to be paid they'll have to pay consultancy rates, and do it through my employer, which would represent a massive cost. Or they can have me for free, like at the moment.
Interestingly I used to be on the Postgraduate Medical Education and Training Board, and they brought in payment there, so I stood down, because the rate was low and I suddenly felt undervalued.
BoffinMum Wed 27-Feb-13 22:48:49
I would like my babysitting paid for though, when I am attending meetings, and I would like sandwiches and coffee as I have often come straight from work and end up being there until 9.30. I think that would be a good compromise.
edam Wed 27-Feb-13 22:53:56
Speaking as a governor, Wilshaw can fuck right off, the ungrateful hound. We give up huge amounts of time and work extremely hard - most of us for no more reward than the sense of satisfaction you get from contributing towards improving things for children. School governors are, apparently, the largest group of volunteers in the country. The patronising idea that only 'experts' make good governors is appalling - only the professional middle classes and senior managers count, how on earth could ordinary parents and members of the community have anything to contribute, he sneers.
It's that kind of thinking that gave us the Mid-Staffordshire scandal in the NHS, where probably 1,200 people were killed - the worship of senior management, executive status and a very skewed view of 'leadership'. Leadership, in that case, which meant fat cat executives demanded the hospital chase 'strategic goals' i.e. not employing enough nurses and doctors in order to balance the books and chase Foundation Trust status. There is a real risk that foundation schools will go the same way as foundation trusts - some of them more focused on financial targets and forcing staff to chase damaging management objectives rather than the core job of, in the NHS, caring for patients, or in schools, educating children.
We don't need more 'experts' who will do the bidding of ministers or vested interests such as Ofsted.
Yes Boffin, the Quaker committees I'm on always look after us really well with lovely pastries and hot drinks, or lunch etc. smile So agree some sandwiches would be nice with the tea and coffee.
Most people claim their travel expenses there too but then they've generally come from all over the country, and not just hopped in the car and driven up the road (as I did as a parent governor) Thing is it seems more silly to claim then, but all the little journeys must add up to something over a few years !
grovel Wed 27-Feb-13 23:15:55
BoffinMum , that's great but I suspect from your tone that you may be a bit overbearing. You're hugely qualified but, if you read out your post at a governors' meeting, I' m afraid normal mortals might shrink.
BreconBeBuggered Thu 28-Feb-13 00:23:42
Wilshaw can fuck right off, the ungrateful hound <THIS
FrancescaBell Thu 28-Feb-13 02:25:48
This was just part of a bigger speech to launch the new School Data Dashboard so I think some of his comments might have been taken a bit out of context.
I'm a secondary school governor and I think he has a point. The workload is enormous but like every group of volunteers, it's currently not evenly shared despite numerous efforts to secure more equitable commitment and involvement. Trying to recruit new governors is hellish and of those who do volunteer, some of them misunderstand their role and often resign when they realise how much is expected of them. Training in our county is primarily geared towards primary schools and provision is poor with training locations up to 2 hours drive away.
Not all governors have the necessary assertiveness and data management skills to hold the school to account and ask challenging questions about student attainment and financial management especially and yet effective governance is measured by OFSTED as part of the Leadership and Management assessment of the school. Governors need to realise that OFSTED inspectors have every expectation that the governors they interview will have a grip on the data, patterns, trends and fiscal management but it is obvious in meetings that some don't understand the data supplied, let alone possess the insight to ask for what's not supplied by the Head and SLT. OFSTED don't tend to ask governors about trips, lunches and the state of the loos; they ask about attainment and evidence of where governors have challenged the school to raise standards.
I'm still on the fence about whether governors should be paid but I do think the role needs to be professionalised. If governors were paid it might make them more accountable to the Chair for their performance and it might make recruitment easier too. I don't agree that recruitment should be restricted to those in senior management jobs, just the people with the skills determined by that body's skills audit. Governing bodies already have the facility to ask for skills that are particularly needed (e.g. Finance, HR) but currently most have to take anyone who's willing to do it for free, regardless of ability, capacity or commitment.
If a school is high attaining and well managed financially, I can understand why governors feel they can add value by concentrating on pastoral and premises issues, but if they do this to the exclusion of the role that OFSTED measures and attainment slips, they will be left vulnerable. This is particularly true of Academies that have Trustee governors who are personally liable for the school's effectiveness. It's expecting perhaps too much to make volunteers personally and financially liable without recompense.
Want2bSupermum Thu 28-Feb-13 04:34:36
To allow access to all to volunteer I think there should be provision for expenses to be covered. Those expenses should include, as Boffin mentioned, childcare and dinner.
Wages are paid for jobs. This is a position where people are giving back. It would be a sad day if school govenors are seen as holding a job rather than giving back.
FrancescaBell Here in the US my employer release me to the charity I support (I am the treasurer) for 16 hours a month plus incurred expenses (milage, meals etc). I get paid through my employer and they are able to deduct the expense as a charitable contribution. My previous employer released me for 10 hours a year. Not enough time but it was better than nothing.
The set up with my new employer is fantastic and nearly everyone does some sort of volunteer work. I think something like this would result in more people wanting to volunteer who are qualified in specialty areas (HR, finance, investment). I don't think the issue is people not wanting to volunteer but that people can't afford to be out of pocket.
PolkadotCircus Thu 28-Feb-13 09:30:28
Totally agree with Francesca and think govs need to be professionalised more.
I personally was shocked at how dire and ill informed our govs are which got reflected in our latest Ofsted inspection in which our school plummeted from Outstanding to Satisfactory(the govs being a big cause). Having been on the parents forum I was shocked at how little they actually knew re expectations,progress etc in education.Our weak govs don't hold our weak head to account,they kind of scratch each others backs. I do wonder if pay might make that worse.
I would welcome any change that improved gov quality and enabled those best suited/qualified for the job getting the roles.I think those with experience in any education sector would be extremely valuable and would like to see more.
FrancescaBell Thu 28-Feb-13 11:22:15
I can see that if an employer is already partially footing the bill in paying for time off it would mean governors being paid twice but as per any new government sponsored initiative, if payment were introduced it would have to be a holistic measure and not just a kneejerk, discrete action. Many of the governors I've met are self-employed though and the opportunity and financial costs to them of turning down work to attend meetings on time, chair appeals or conduct day-long governor visits are significant. This means that potentially the recruitment pool narrows to those who can afford to be SAHPs or work in organisations that give time off.
I used to do some other unpaid voluntary work where the only (small) payment on offer was after taking a qualification at one's own expense and the out of pocket expenses were enormous. Again, this restricted the pool of talent to those with lifestyles and incomes that could support that, when the client group would have benefited from the life skills of people from from a wider socio-economic background. Like school governership, it attracted only those who were well-off or who had attained long service or seniority at work, missing out on a wider pool of talent.
While I think that having some educationalists is helpful on a GB, it's healthier to have some from non-education backgrounds who will question why things are done certain ways and can bring business or other skills to the table. The governors who have really added value on ours are those who are used to managing performance (esp in a unionised environment), have conflict management skills and who are skilled at managing a budget.
kimorama Thu 28-Feb-13 11:23:19
Sir wilshaw does not want paid governors he was doing a publicity stunt.
kimorama Thu 28-Feb-13 11:24:37
As for peoples motives for being governors. well motives are usually MIXED because thats the way us humans are
ProudAS Thu 28-Feb-13 12:07:27
I don't think it would be unreasonable to re-imburse school governors for loss of earnings if their role means taking time off work (and assuming that there's money available to do that). I fear that anything above that could attract people for the wrong reasons.
We now have a situation where councillors are paid and possibly going into local politics for the money rather than to make a difference to the local area.
My GF was a local councillor for many years, he never received payment (other than expenses) and did it because he was passionate about the way the area was run. A school governor should be in place for similar reasons.
guineapiglet Thu 28-Feb-13 13:02:20
Hi - I have been an unpaid committee member at preschool ( 8 years) and a parent governor for 4 years at primary school, and my BiL is a governor at the local High School. My motivation has always been to try and put something back into something which is important to me and the community and to be involved in a small way in what my kids do. Like many others on here, the experience hasn't always been a labour of love, there have been many difficult encounters, having to deal with very tricky and arrogant personalities etc etc.
Governors are expected really to hit the ground running, there was no preparation,although our county did run many training sessions throughout which many of us attended when we were able to. Our formal meetings were usually at least 4 hours long initially, but many of us pushed for a half termly regular meeting to deal with all the issues outside the formal business. ( NO refreshments/no food, usually got home around 930 at night after having started at 530). There was never any review or appraisal, and if you did in any way challenge the status quo or decisions, you would be highly unpopular.
Many of the issues discussed are legal requirements - and governors bear significant responsibilities. Our head completely dominated the meetings and usually would listen to discussions but would not countenance dissention, usually the decision would have been made with the CoG at their pre meetings - looking back on it completely unacceptable and undemocratic, but novice parent governors very often do not have the clout to stand up and be counted. Our head was in effect quite a bully, and this is way our governing body would have benefitted from independent examination - not just when being under OFSTED examination, where it was found wanting.
My way of operating was to listen, absorb and then work to my strengths and skills, along with other colleagues we would hold informal meetings outside the formal govs meetings ( on our time) to try and get the work done and resolved.
Governing bodies operate best when there is a good and representative mix of people with a whole range of talents, experience and expertise, but usually it is up to the parent govs to actually do the donkey work and get things done I( bitter experience). Of course we would all have liked some acknowledgement of our time and efforts in terms of financial reward, and maybe this would have made us all more accountable in some way ( which we were anyway) - to me the role of each of us was just as important - not just the 'experts' who had a lot to say, but in effect did none of the ground work....
Childpatch Thu 28-Feb-13 13:58:48
I'm not bothered about the pay part, as a previous comment says "that's not why I do it" - i think there is a case for some quality checks on governors, IQ, abilities, experiences, do they actually care? what can they bring? A selection process would be useful
grovel Thu 28-Feb-13 14:21:36
A friend of mine is a governor of an independent (boarding) school. They try to have:
One lawyer
One accountant
One educationalist
One "business person"
One surveyor
One headteacher from a similar school
One university lecturer/professor
Two (recent) ex-parents
A vicar/bishop
A banker
Apparently their discussions are lively (in a good way) but also fairly well-structured because no-one bangs on with too much "home-made" expertise in the presence of real expertise.
SunflowersSmile Thu 28-Feb-13 14:34:04
Don't think the IQ test would go down well childpatch!!
[II hope it wouldn't anyway].
BoffinMum Thu 28-Feb-13 14:36:33
Nah, they are a stroppy lot on the Board and I am deployed as a tactical missile by the others from time to time to shut two other windbags up. Loads of the others are very well qualified anyway, so my qualifications look useful rather than resplendent IYSWIM.
SunflowersSmile Thu 28-Feb-13 14:42:18
I am still laughing over thought of IQ tests for governors.
In a debate on an issue could a governor pull rank and say heh I should 'win' as have higher IQ than you!!
Hope you weren't being serious childpatch.......
SunflowersSmile Thu 28-Feb-13 14:43:57
What on earth is 'home made' expertise grovel?
grovel Thu 28-Feb-13 14:55:35
"Home made" expertise is what we get when my choral society's committee (me included) discuss, for example, marketing. In the absence of anyone with real marketing know-how, we all have the confidence to blather on about the subject at length.
newfashionedmum Thu 28-Feb-13 16:24:18
grovel at the risk of going off topic - and right there is an example of one reason why there is such a divide in achievement between the independent and state sector!
On the actual topic of the OP, bloody well said that Governor. There are a couple of governors on our GB who have teaching expertise and can make informed challenge around english and maths attainment but the rest of us bring other skills and concerns that help to create the right conditions for children to learn in - y'know like having an appropriate building, a cooked lunch inside them if possible, no bullying in the playground and a chance to be shine at other things if they struggle with the three Rs to build their confidence and social skills and make them the kind of responsible citizens we really need.
I'm a governor too and I think that the money would be better off spent on the children rather than the governors. I don't want paying. For what they could pay it us, it won't make that much difference to the quality of governors and they couldn't afford what it costs for our skills (in finance, marketing, health, safety and building management and IT on our governing body at the moment). It really is better to be spending the money on the school.
I have some sympathy with the problem of poor govering bodies. Our schools was, by the admission of the people who were on the governing body at the time about 6 years ago, badly run and the governors knew very little about what was happening in the school. It all came to a head when Ofsted came in and completely slated the school and the governors were shocked at how badly the school was really doing. They shouldn't have been shocked, they should have known and been working towards making things better but they were only dealing with the 'marginal concerns' and not getting to the nitty gritty of what the school was doing. The Head and the chair had kept them in the dark. Long story short, they got rid of the chair, the head left anyway and we have worked our way back up to a 'good' when we had an Ofsted last term. Having been one of the 2 governors Oftsted talked to they really grilled us - they expected us to know the school from all angles, academic and the more marginal concerns which is how it should be otherwise what is the point of having us? What exactly are we there for if not to hold the SLT accountable for the way they run the school? Thankfully our head is very open and we gave a good account of ourselves.
It seems the same thing has happened in another school locally in the last few months but in both cases, it wasn't so much the governors who were at fault, except in so far as they perhaps should have known they weren't getting the full picture. It was down to the chair and the head. You need them to be good or the governing body can't do their job properly. The other thing you need is good training so the governors know their responsibilities and rights and stand a chance of challenging the SLT if things start going wrong. The final thing, which may be in place already for all I know, is somewhere outside of the GB that the governors can go to for advise if things start to go wrong and the SLT start dodging their responsibility to the school and the governors. If there are serious concerns there should be back up somewhere outside of school.
I look forward to a good debate on this next week on our next committee meeting. As governor responsible for keeping up to date with Ofsted's latest pronoucements I can see this one making a bit of a splash!
And can I just say, having read some more about this Dashboard thing, what is wrong with RAISE-online and FFT data? And how is it useful if it is only a snap shot updated once a year? You need the data to be constantly updated as it is in our school - if a year has passed before you notice that you arem't reaching the standard it is already too late.
As an ex-Governor, who stood down after two years due to a bullying CoG, I fully agree with those who have expressed frustration that the issue is not one of payment.
The issues are:
- Head & CoG in cahoots. If one or other or both are difficult characters, they can sew up a Board of Governors very effectively. Trying to unseat an entrenched partnership is almost impossible - the time and effort required to gather evidence, build a consensus among other Governors, address issues and find support outside of the school is just overwhelming.
- CV Governors - often, ime, local counsellors, who see it either as a CV plus point or a box-ticking exercise in community involvement. The Parent Governors do bear the brunt of the workload.
- Teaching teams who see the BoG as, at best, a burden and at worst, an enemy.
What BoG's need:
- Support to induce and train new Governors.
- Access to independent assessment of Heads
- Some way of assessing effectiveness of CoG -and making sure they can't be re-elected year after year after year.
- Effective and knowledgeable clerking
Due to budget restraints, the services provided by local government in terms of clerking, training and support is being charged back to the school at ever higher cost for less-decreasing service or knowledge.
It is all down to individuals. Get a good Head and a competent Chair who understands how to value, motivate and empower the BoG's - then its all good.
Get an embattled Head, an entrenched Chair, a majority of box-ticking Governors and no LEA support - then the few poor governors who are trying to challenge and support are just weeping in frustration.
<and breathe>
edam Thu 28-Feb-13 20:20:20
Quite, BB. The dashboard is simplistic - fine for some purposes but the governors should be using far more detailed data eg RAISE and other sources.
I'm prepared to believe there are boards of governors that are far too cosy with the head - when I joined ours there were a few significant people like that. We have changed the situation gradually to be far more effective and to encourage the head to see questioning as our job and not an attack. She runs a ruddy good school so I don't see the point in antagonism - but we do challenge where it is necessary and important. And the head and senior management have responded, we get a lot more data and are far more involved with the school these days.
But cosy relationships won't be stopped by bringing in paid 'expert' governors. God save us all - especially the children - from management consultants running schools. (Management consultants have their place but it is not capturing GBs.)
Experts are useful for governing bodies to consult, to use as appropriate but not to be the GB.
Wigeon Thu 28-Feb-13 20:30:56
Oh goodness, Duchess of Avon - I am really worried I will be posting exactly your post in 2 years (I became a parent governor in Sept 2012):
Local councillor who appears to do nothing apart from physically come to meetings: tick
Head who clearly just wants to run the school without interference from GB - tick
CoG isn't a difficult character, but is very very keen to "maintain good relations" with the chair - ie never challenge or criticise.
Teaching team - no idea how they view GB because frankly it's an irrelevance to them as it's so impotent
I am currently trying to suggest that one area for the school to work on is how it involves parents, and how this might be done (not something you might think was that contentious, and something I am volunteering to coordinate / lead myself), and what you say below is spot on:
Wigeon Thu 28-Feb-13 20:31:39
Is there a Governor support thread anywhere here? If not, may I suggest one? (Or possibly one for secondary and one for primary). Would anyone be interested?
Hassled Thu 28-Feb-13 21:02:18
I've been reading this and not posting because I just don't know what I think.
I was a governor for many years and CoG for 4 years in an outstanding school. It was very, very challenging - I loved it, but I put in hours and hours of my time. Things happened along the way where I felt completely out of my depth - there was a palpable lack of LA support, especially in some HR issues I had to become involved with. The quality of the training was patchy - I went into the first HT Performance Management (having had the training) with very little clue as to what we were hoping to achieve. CV Governors are a real problem (in my case it was actually the parents who were the worst offenders for this) - they became governors because it looked good, but were never prepared to actually become committed, to the extent that they never even had the most basic training and so didn't really understand the role.
I should throw in here that I have met some amazing governors along the way - I'm painting it black, I know. There are some exceptional people involved in governance.
But yes, there is a need for more professionalism and yes, there are some ill-informed governors out there. More effective LA support would help that. I don't think governors should be paid, but I think some perceptions need to shift, so it isn't thought of as a worthy hobby and more as what it is - a challenging, demanding, important role.
Talkinpeace Thu 28-Feb-13 21:17:58
LA support is no longer relevant though : half of all Secondary schools are no longer connected to LEAs
Hassled Thu 28-Feb-13 21:20:49
True, and that worries me enormously. Who guards the guards?
Talkinpeace Thu 28-Feb-13 21:23:27
Michael Gove and his bullying cronies
With regards to the Chair and the head being in cahoots, we were told that the chair is no longer allowed to do the HT's performance review because the working relationship between them has to be so close. I am not sure if this is an LEA thing or whether it national but it does go some of the way to ensuring that other governors aren't locked out. Hopefully, if the head knows that he or she will have to accountable for what they do, to somebody other than the Chair, they will be forced to be more open with the govering body as a whole. In theory anyway.
It is also interesting that there are CV governors - I don't think you would get away with that round here. If you don't go to meetings or do the training you are removed as a governor - it has happened and we are all warned that if we miss a certain number of meeting, without good reason, we can be out. You have to make some effort or you don't get to stay.
Hassled - hats off to you. You would have to pay me to be chair. I think, from my limited experience, only having been on one GB, that they do an immense amount of work and have a lot of responsibility.
Maybe that is the way to go - chairs should be paid because it is like a part time job and their expertise and experience as governors is very important. They are the glue that holds everything together and if they aren't any good then the GB as a whole won't work.
willesden Fri 01-Mar-13 09:53:38
As a parent governor of 3 years standing, it scares me that there are governors out there who do not have a clue what they are supposed to be doing. This thread proves it. It is a legally accountable position; volunteer or not. A governing body has amazing powers. Get yourselves down for some training courses, pronto.
Yes, it worries me that parent governors don't understand their role - that they are representative of the parents not for the parents. It strikes me as something you need to understand before you even put yourself forward to stand for governor, not something that you should be unsure of when you are already in the post.
PolkadotCircus Fri 01-Mar-13 10:51:08
The thing is the elections are a bit pants.The spiel printed re each candidate had buggar all to with education policies or running a school at our last one so the default option was to vote for who you know/like best.
Not a good reason for anybody to be given such an important role.
Maybe they should make the training compulsory. I served as a parent governor for several years without having done training. I would have liked training but IIRC this was not made easy for me by the timing of it and lack of childcare available (It was a Nursery school and as you might expect I had a 4 year old DS and 6 year old DD at the time)
If anyone has not been able to do training maybe chair or experienced governor should spend half an hour or so with new governors to go over the basics - how to raise issues, what role of governor is, for starters !
BreconBeBuggered Fri 01-Mar-13 11:27:05
It's difficult in some schools to get parent governors at all. I had my arm twisted to put myself forward as a governor and resisted it for some time because as it happened I did know what it entailed, and that it wasn't just showing up for a handful of meetings a year and never thinking about it in between. There have been a few drifters in and out of our GB who have tried it out and backed away pretty rapidly when they discover there's no room for passengers.
Kez100 Fri 01-Mar-13 12:18:27
No. Governors should not be paid despite the millions of unpaid hours they put in (I'm a Vice Chair of a secondary). They should be given a pot of money every year however to recruit experienced clerking services, to pay for any training they want (without having to resort to the school budget) and for access to professional services -like HR or legal. Or, maybe not even a pot of money, but these things provided by the Government on a national basis separate from school budgets and free for Governors to access.
Unpaid Governorship can create rubber stamping Governing bodies, which is regrettable, but it also means that in the more robust bodies that the Governors are more truthful and honest because there is nothing to lose. They can resign to make a point if necessary without 'losing income'. Most people once in receipt of an income learn to rely on it and it can cause a independance issue if conflicts arise.
Sparrowp Fri 01-Mar-13 13:46:02
Comparing this discussion to the role in other spheres is very interesting.
The role of governors sounds similar to the role of a non-executive company director. However in the private sector, this is an important and paid role.
Why do we expect people to do it for free for schools? We all pay for education through our taxes, and if its not up to scratch we will be paying more in every way for the generations of people who do not reach their potential.
Is it because education and children are considered "female" areas, and so don't deserve decent reward for their skilled, important and sometimes difficult work?
Sparrowp Fri 01-Mar-13 13:59:32
Personally, here is my list of priorities:
Keeping a roof over our head
Keeping us warm and properly fed
Keeping us clothed and booted
Interesting educational activities,
sports participation
living in a clean, well-ordered home
saving up for our own, secure, home
If someone was to tell me I should prioritise the governing of the school over those things, I would think they were a do-gooding, lentil weaving, lovely but hopelessly naive unreasonable person.
However if the role contributed to all the priorities above, it would certainly be worth doing and putting a lot of work and effort and skills into, because I strongly value a good, well run school.
Wigeon Fri 01-Mar-13 14:02:18
Sparrowp - I would have thought that the role of non-exec is paid because your contribution results in better financial results for the company, and there is a correlation between how well you perform your role and the profits of the company / salaries of the staff / bonus of the Chief Exec. It would take a very odd person to do that for free.
In education and in the charity sector, your contribution as a governor / charity trustee results in non-financial results like better educational attainment, or whatever the charity's outcomes are. So there is an argument that people might want to do that altruistically and would not necessarily need to be motivated by financial reward.
I really think the question is not "should governors be paid" but "how do we ensure that governors perform as effectively as possible" and payment is only one possible answer to that. Many on this thread have suggested other ways of increasing the performance of governors (better training, more LA support, more focus on ensuring the Chair is excellent and can ensure the rest of the GB is effective etc).
Wigeon Fri 01-Mar-13 14:10:19
Did you know many central government departments have non-executive directors - info on them here. They get £15k a year, although some waive their fee.
yy to Kez
Our budgets were so tight it was really hard to justify spending any cash on clerking services and training. I did manage to get some money ringfenced in my second year but when I looked into the services that we could buy from the LA, the quality was shocking for the cost. Its very hard to go out and procure clerking or HR or Finance support independently when you are a tiddly primary.
Our CoG didn't performance manage the Head but she did stitch up all access to her - and would overrule any discussion I did manage to have independantly with the Head. I don't blame the HEad to be honest - I think she was just trying to keep the CoG off her own back but it got to the stage where I could no longer trust the SLT in the school to view me objectively as a parent should any issues arise with my own kids. I had no choice but to step down.
Its a catch 22 for parent governors - they have a lot at stake compared to the others and once the Chinese walls are breached there is no way back.
It takes skill to challenge the school in a constructive and supportive fashion coupled with good content knowledge. It took me a good year to get my head round the finances and performance data. That's where Governors need support.
catinhat Fri 01-Mar-13 14:49:21
As a governor who has received over 5 e-mails this week in advance of three meetings next week, I would quite enjoyed being paid. We also struggle to get governors; our school is small, not posh and doesn't have lots of know-it all parents desperate to get involved. We need a financial chair and - though we have accountant parents - they are so busy with work and family that they can't commit. I manage to put the time in because I have my own business that gives me some flexibility.
However, I have an awful suspicion that paying governors might end up with schools being run by 'fat cats' as opposed to people based in the community.
I think it's a shame Michael Wilshaw criticises governors. Gove did it 6 months ago; he stated that many governors only did it because they were self-important types.
I do wonder whether governing bodies could be smaller or shared between schools. If they were smaller, meetings might be shorter even if more frequent.
catinhat Fri 01-Mar-13 14:51:57
kez100 - your reaons for un-paid governors are good.
Our clerk is paid. That is important because they put in hours of time doing administation.
Pendeen Fri 01-Mar-13 15:13:07
I worked for a short time for our county council as a short term contract architect, designing and managing extension and alteration projects and I met many governors, attended their meetings etc.
I have to say I was surprised at the naivety of some governors and the arrogance of others when it came to but always encouraged and impressed by the enthusiasm and dedication of most.
The worst kind were those who, having watched a couple of episodes of 'Grand Designs' or the like were absolutely convinced they were suddenly experts in all aspects of architecture and building! Quite wrong IMO when these people are in charge of hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money.
There were a few headteachers like that as well, ignoring essential guidance l because they knew best what was needed (and had done a bit od DIY)!
The academies program will only make this sort of thing far worse.
noseynoonoo Fri 01-Mar-13 15:49:06
If being paid made the system of appointment more accountable, I'd be all for it. The governors at my school come from an ever-decreasing grouping, many of whom have been appointed by the Head. I see leadership from neither the Head nor his appointees.
I think Gove was spot on about the 'self-important' types. I can pretty much see the motivation of each appointee at our school - and it's not the advancement of the school.
Kez100 Fri 01-Mar-13 17:08:36
Anyone knocking Governors should try being one. It's amazing when you actually see people in meetings, how you are likely tomight view them differently. Most Governors have some sort of interest in the school or they probably wouldn't have even thought of being a Governor of that school. Then making a direct assumption that is why they do it is completely unreasonable.
It is true some people do join for theirr own self-interest but, in my experience, they don't stay a Governor for very long when they realise the work involved and the lack of return (tangible or intangible).
Talkinpeace Fri 01-Mar-13 17:12:10
School Governors
Parish Councillors
Charity Trustees
all unpaid, unskilled volunteers : long may it continue.
The difference is that Parish Council Clerks are encouraged to complete professional qualifications
As are charity officers
so what is actually needed is better pay for Professional Clerks to Governors
then you still get the variety of parental and local input, but with better Governance
Completely agree OP. I've been a parent governor for five years now. Not only is it my son's school, but it is my old primary and that of my brothers so I love the school and enjoy having the opportunity to give something back.
My son leaves in September so I'm desperately trying to find a way I can stay on, maybe as a community governor. Schools need governors who are passionate about the education and welfare of the pupils, not in it for their own gains!
Wingdingdong Fri 01-Mar-13 23:09:35
I'm a LA governor of a primary. I didn't ask for any school in particular, though I did say I'd prefer one on my side of the borough. I've been a governor for a few years, I didn't have children, I wasn't brought up in this area and I had no connection with the school.
I volunteered. I volunteered because I felt I'd been lucky, I'd had plenty of opportunities, I needed to put something back into society and - being perfectly honest - I read a newspaper article on volunteering and the role of school governor seemed the best fit for my own abilities/qualifications. I'd like to think I volunteered for perfectly altruistic reasons, but I do believe in karma... And as it happens, I got allocated the school at the end of my road, and I now have a 3.7yo who'll (hopefully) be starting there in September, so I'm glad that I have always kept a close eye on the long-term interests of the school!
If it was a paid role, no, I wouldn't do it. I'd find something else to volunteer for.
Re training - if the LA didn't hold all of its training sessions between 4 and 6pm half an hour away from here, it might be rather easier for those of us with very young children (and amongst primary school governors, that's a majority) to actually attend sessions. I have a 1yo and a 3yo and no parents/PILs living nearby for on-tap babysitting. DH works in the City, I could possibly get babysitters during the day or later in the evening - but at tea/bath/bedtime? No way. And that's the upside of being a volunteer as opposed to paid - you can turn around and say that it's not convenient, what are they going to do to make it convenient? (When I became a governor, sessions were 2-4 and 7-9pm...)
Re training: our governor training sessions are the same as the above poster, thus making it difficult for some governors ti access. Our LA are now offering online training which our school have subscribed to. It make training so much more convenient.
annh Sat 02-Mar-13 10:00:24
Am quite shocked at the varied training provision which seems to exist between different LAs. At our school, the two initial Governor training courses and a course on Finance in schools are mandatory, I assumed that was the case for all Governing Bodies but maybe it is just our school who asks for that? We are also encouraged to go on whatever training courses we can possibly manage, attend Hot Topics sessions etc. There is an expectation that you will do at least some training each year.
Our LA also offers a wide range of courses and each course is offered in a couple of locations and at different times. A course will typically be offered in an evening session from 7 p.m. and daytime from 10a.m. There are usually 3/4 locations, at least one of which will be close to me. I can quite see that if ALL training is offered 4-6 p.m. it makes it very difficult both for people working and for parents at home with children to access it.
Elibean Sat 02-Mar-13 11:27:47
I thought the National Training was mandatory, too?
All our Govs have done it, and most of our Govs (bar one of the LA ones who rarely shows up these days) do regular trainings of all sorts, and are up to date on all the recommended ones. Admittedly, our Borough provides great training, but even so - I am responsible for Gov training, and I nag grin
Yes, we are pretty hot on training here too. We also the choice of several different venues and times of day for the most popular and/or compulsory courses. The LA is split into 3 areas so they tend to run the same course in each area. If you can't go to your own you can travel to another or just wait a term and it will come round again.
We are encouraged to do as much training as possible, have full GB training sessions and access to on-line training too. We want our money's worth as we get the full training package so we can go on whatever we want without having to ask if it is OK and arrange payment and it is apparently cheaper than paying for each course individually.
I agree that there seems to be a big difference in the way LA deal with their governors. I was reading something yesterday about becoming a clerk and some LA send their clerks on BTEC courses to get accredited. Some just do their own training which isn't so good. I am sure that the differences are apparent right across the GB. Aren't LA's inspected, maybe even by Ofsted? I am pretty sure they are and that our LA was rated as good. You can see why there is a disparity if there aren't national standards and requirements.
Erm, not sure I should admit this, but after five years I've only ever completed stage one of the introductory training sessions for governors - so one training session at the LA! And one held by the school on safeguarding - which is mandatory. This is due to the sessions being awkward to access for people with no transport. To get more people on the training sessions it would be good if they were organised so that all governors had to attend so many each year. That way there would probably be somebody to travel with.
I've always found it weird that as a parent governor with no qualifications or much experience in education, that I wasn't make to take part in more training to start with (although since becoming a governor I've trained to be a teacher).
Hopefully, online training will take off, especially since one of the issues we have now is that the LEA has all but collapsed thanks to government funding cuts.
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Am I being too hard on DP
(96 Posts)
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 18:26:48
Hi ,
Just looking for some advice. I have one DC aged 4 months. I am on Mat leave and my DP works full time 9-5. I dont live near any family (moved to be with DP)and am not the best at making friends in my old(ish) age. I have a few things that are annoying me and I dont know if IABU or not so please tell me how you see it.
1. DP used to put DC to sleep on week nights and I would get to bed early so I would get a few hours in before night feed ( DC still does atleast 1 night feed sometimes 2) but recently he only does it maybe once a week because he says I am better at getting DC to sleep.
2. He wont give DC a bath as again he is not as good as me, I have tried to show him how but he just acts stupid and doesn't hold DC right and for some reason DC freaks out when he does it.
3. He goes out twice a week and has done since DC was born , I asked him this weekend not to go as I was feeling a bit down and missing human contact but he just started a fight with me and went out.
4. Any time I have been upset or crying because I am finding lack of sleep and demands hard on me he doesn't comfort me.
5.When he gets home from work he just throws his clothes on the floor and expects me to pick them up. I have tried leaving them there and tidying around them but he will leave them there forever. I do all his washing and ironing so I guess it is for me to pick up?
6. I do all of the housework except maybe he will wash the dishes one of the days on a weekend.
7. Friday nights are supposed to be for me to get a full nights sleep and he looks after DC but last two weeks he has been too tired.
Should he help out a little around the house? When I complain he points out he works full time.
I just want some time for myself once every month just 2-3 hours and when I ask for this he gets pissy. Am I wrong? Again he points out he works full time and needs time for himself.
I feel isolated, lonely and a little like what I am doing at home looking after DC counts for nothing. (Just like to point out I have a very beautiful, happy , loving baby who does suffer from some reflux)
So am I being too hard if I tell him he needs to support me more?
I have spoken to mum about this and she says he needs to help more and has asked me if maybe I am a bit depressed.
Sorry its so long and a bit all over the place.
motherinferior Sun 21-Jul-13 18:28:34
He sounds horrible.
Hawkmoth Sun 21-Jul-13 18:33:30
1-7 He's being selfish and bordering on cruel.
What you do 9-5 is equally importantly to his job. The rest you should share.
He should WANT to be involved, he should UNDERSTAND that you need a break.
Doha Sun 21-Jul-13 18:36:38
Could you point out that you "work" full time too..infact more than full time looking after the house and DC without a break.
He needs to man up and be a partner to you and a dad to your DC.
I would be downing tools and looking after yourself and your DC if he wont help. No cooking laundry etc until he pulls his weight nad shares some responsibility.
How is he coping with fatherhood in general? IS he finding it tough? Does he spend time with the DC at all? Or is he just a self centered twat?
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 18:36:44
I should have said he does play with baby and loves him very much .
AuntyPippaAndUncleHarry Sun 21-Jul-13 18:37:13
IMHO he should be doing more with DC and more to support you on a practical level (washing up, bathing baby etc) as well as emotionally. Having a new baby is really hard work and does put a different dynamic on a relationship. The baby's needs impact on both of you. Try and talk to him, and see if you could split things more evenly. On a separate note, if you are feeling isolated and not yourself maybe speak to your HV or GP about post-natal depression. Good luck to you. Babies do get easier (or so everyone tells me!)
Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 21-Jul-13 18:39:37
He is an arse.
My DH works long hours, he is out of the house for 12+ hours a day. He does 50% of the childcare when he isn't at work, and he takes a share in the housework, cooking and general running of the home.
I do more than him, but I am here all the time, and we try to keep weekends clear for family time, days out and general relaxation.
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 18:39:44
I have pointed out that I work full time all day and all night but he doesn't seem to think that's as hard as his job. He really is great with DC but not good at the practical things like helping me.
misskatamari Sun 21-Jul-13 18:40:45
He definitely needs to support you more. It's awful that he has agreed to doing things to help you (bed and bath, Friday nights etc) and then doesn't do it. Dropping his clothes is disrespectful - he is a grown man and you are his wife not his skivvy!
You need to have a sit down with him and calmly explain what you need him to help with. He needs to understand that just because you don't do out to work you aren't busy. The household is a joint responsibility and he should be working with you to build a happy family unit. In terms of bath time and bed time he needs to get over the excuse of "you do it better" - practice make perfect. I would be mindful when going over routines etc with him to avoid criticising that he is doing things "wrong" just because it might be different to how you do it as that could be very disheartening as it feels crap to be criticised (I'm not saying you do this but I know some people get annoyed that their partner doesn't do things "right" or up to their standards and obviously that can lead to bad feelings and resentment etc).
It is perfectly reasonable for you to need some time to yourself and it is plain selfish of him to try and deny you that. He needs to realise he is a father now and that his responsibility is to his family - that means taking equal responsibility for his child and supporting his wife!
Good luck with him, he needs a kick up the arse!
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 18:41:24
I am worried that if I admit I am feeling a bit low I will be viewed as a bad mother.
motherinferior Sun 21-Jul-13 18:43:58
Well actually you're low because he's a crap father.
Go out for the day and leave him with the baby. You'll return to chaos but it might make him more appreciative. He loves the baby so much I'm sure he'll be delighted to prove that he's more than just a fair-weather father... smile
motherinferior Sun 21-Jul-13 18:45:47
And do stop picking up and washing his stuff. Really not your problem.
Moxiegirl Sun 21-Jul-13 18:46:02
I work f/t and dp is a sahd. He does more than me because he is here, but we both get to go out regularly and when I'm at home we share the childcare.
Your dp sounds very selfish sad
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 18:48:08
Tallwivglasses I was half thinking of doing that today I was so fed up bur think I'd miss my DC of I went out for a whole day.
DisgraceToTheYChromosome Sun 21-Jul-13 18:52:10
A bloke writes: 9-5? NINE TO FUCKING FIVE? He's a part-timer. When DD was born I worked 11 days out of 14, 10-15 hours a day (or night) and I lived for the chance to do bathtime. And winding, and nappies, and taking her in the pram so DW could sleep. Because I had wanted to be a Dad, and being Dad meant being an adult. Oh, and babies love whoever plays with them.
Now she's nearly grown DW & I are getting childish again. Motorbikes! Heavy drinking! DTD in the afternoon!
He wants that stuff back, he'll have to wait like everybody else.
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 19:04:24
Good to get a males pov, thanks . I have tried to explain all this to him but he always manages to twist the conversation around and making me feel sorry for him .
ImperialBlether Sun 21-Jul-13 19:06:21
Maybe now's the time to remind him that if he doesn't step up to the plate then he'll be a weekend father. He behaves disgustingly to you, just throwing his things around and expecting you to pick them up. That is so disrespectful.
Earthworms Sun 21-Jul-13 19:15:59
He's a nob.
I work ft. Dh is at home. When i get in from work ( at 7pm 12 hrs inc commute) i pitch in and we both sort the backlog of jobs till they are done. Then we both sit down.
There are some jobs he hates and wont do. Hoovering, for instance or cleaning the bath, I will touch neither the dishwasher or washing machine smile fairs fair. Tho I might cook if I'm feeling generous hungry
Only when it's all done and small children settled do I piss off out for some me time. Exercise in my case. And only if he is happy to hold the fort. Not if anyone's ill or anything.
Point being, running the house is everyone's job. Regardless of whal you also happen to contribute financially.
OxfordBags Sun 21-Jul-13 19:17:18
OP, ask him this: if what you do 24-7 is so easy, especially compared to his paid job, then how come he finds it so fucking difficult? How come it's too much for him? He can't have it both ways; it can't be too hard when he does it, but a piece of piss that's not real work when you do it. It's either easy for both of you, which means he should be doing a lot more OR it's hard for both of you, which means that if he loves and respects you and his child, then he should want to shoulder the burden.
He is absolutely taking the fucking piss. He should be doing 50-50 once he comes home from work.
Incidentally, I am not of the 'leave him alone with the Dc for a day whilst you go out, that'll teach him' school. As you say, you'd just miss him too much, but also, a young baby who is with you virtually all the time is going to be freaked out and upset by being away from you for ages. And it doesn't really solve anything; he should WANT to help you, not have stunts pulled to try to shock him into reaching adulthood.
CottonWoolCandy Sun 21-Jul-13 19:31:47
he should WANT to help you
You are not being too hard on him. He is being an arse. Nip it in the bud right now because it will only get worse. Don't listen to any excuses about his tiredness, about the baby being more settled with you, about him being better when baby is older, etc, etc. They are all excuses.
I don't know if you're depressed or not, but you will be exhausted and you don't need the stress of trying to cajole your dp into playing his part. Think about how you would be treating him if the roles were reversed.
It's so hard when the dcs are tiny - take all the support your dm can offer but don't view her as a substitute for your dp pulling his weight.
Ifcatshadthumbs Sun 21-Jul-13 19:38:30
DH worked 6 days this week I am a SAHM both my children are now at school. so far today I had a lie in, dh got up with the dc's. DH went to bed for a nap this afternoon I entertained the boys and did a bit of cleaning. DH made the dc's dinner and is now putting ds2 to bed whilst I do our dinner.
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 19:52:32
Unfortunately my mom can only offer me support over the phone since we are in different countries , I wish she lives down the roadsad
FrequentFlyerRandomDent Sun 21-Jul-13 19:59:18
Please do keep your work after your mat leave. He is not behaving well now, I would dread your lot if you were financially dependent on him.
Get out and make friends. You need a contact network and support, if nay someone to e for tea. It does take time, but it is worth trying. Any chance of meeting parents from your country? Sometimes being of the same nationality, hobby, etc speeds up the friendship.
AnotherStitchInTime Sun 21-Jul-13 20:03:13
No you are not being hard enough. He is a selfish arse.
DH had a rare weekend off this weekend after weeks of 6 day working plus overtime so 10 hour days in a very physical outdoor job. Yesterday he cooked dinner and washed up and played with the kids while I napped. Today he took the kids out for 3 hours so I could have some 'me' time. Even on the 6 day weeks he cooked on his day off and gave me a lie in if dd2 had a bad night.
Put all the dirty clothes he leaves on the floor in a black bag, do not wash them. If they don't make it to the wash basket they don't get washed. If he runs out of boxers then tough. You are not his skivvy.
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 20:04:50
Frequent this is something I have thought about but I can't imagine if he not helping now when I'm back working full time will I also be doing all house work and all the caring for DC. Ill be exhausted! And that's i good idea about meeting people like that. I seem to have lost my skills in making friends the last few years
Vivacia Sun 21-Jul-13 20:19:16
Either you've lost the skills, or he's leached them from you.
Sit him down and tell him what he needs to do. Write it out if necessary so you remember everything.
Ooh these threads make me so angry.
Golferman Sun 21-Jul-13 20:31:28
I was just musing over this thread as my wife and I were talking about our grandkids (youngest is 7 months old) and the fact that his mum doesn't really like her husband or anyone else doing stuff for her with the baby. My wife mentioned that when our three boys were young were babies she felt the same and very protective towards the babies. In those days I probably didn't do as much as I could have to share the childcare, household chores etc but as you get older (i'm 60 and we have been together 40 years) I think your perspective on respective roles changes; for example for the past god knows how many years I have done the cooking (my first job was a chef), all the shopping,washing and my own ironing and share the other household chores equally. I think from a male perspective you only change once you 'see the light' and don't regard the childcare and household stuff as purely a 'female thing'; it took me a good fifteen years to realise that.
Just my opinion and experience (and my first post on the site too)
FrequentFlyerRandomDent Sun 21-Jul-13 20:44:22
Please OP, do not worry about being exhausted. Worry about being trapped. Your family is abroad. What would you do without earnings?
Also, it would give you ammunition to share household chores.
Flicktheswitch Sun 21-Jul-13 20:53:36
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 21:13:51
Good point I often worry lately if we split up what would happen . I'd be completely alone and trapped in this country . My job is very demanding physically I have been considering looking at using my skills to move into a more office based position . If I did that I wouldn't be so exhausted. I better use my time wisely on mat leave. Also think ill talk to my HV let her know where I'm at emotionally see if they can offer support. They don't think bad of you for feeling a but down do they?
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 21:15:42
Golferman thanks for your reply as I said earlier great to get a male pov.
Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to reply.
FrequentFlyerRandomDent Sun 21-Jul-13 21:20:48
When looking at cost of childcare and returning to work, please do not forget that both of you are paying for childcare, not just you, otherwise, it may tilt the choice towards SAH, which works well for many but what you have described of your life at home so far would worry me.
Look at your options. Would you be abe to go back part time or apply to different jobs?
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 21:27:51
Yeah he has said my salary will just cover childcare so there not much point . I guess I just accepted that where as I should be thinking its half each. I can go back part time .
Pilgit Sun 21-Jul-13 21:29:44
Any hv worth their salt will support you find the help you need. No wonder you're feeling low, you are isolated from your suppport network, your dp is being a dick and you're tired. Add to that the lack of adult contact and it's a recipe for pnd. It does not make you a bad mother or person. Fwiw his attitude sucks.
DisgraceToTheYChromosome Sun 21-Jul-13 21:32:36
Incidentally, I mentioned the two nights out a week to DW: "I'd have told your brothers, and they'd have asked which leg you wanted broken".
Twattergy Sun 21-Jul-13 21:37:55
He has to share bath and bed time chores with you. Engineer a reason one evening when you have to be outfrom 6 til 8 and he'll have to do it. Then take it in turns from there. Get a bath seat so that there is no issue around holding the baby incorrectly. He needs to realise that he does have the skills to do these things and that he must share these tasks with you.
karinmaria Sun 21-Jul-13 21:38:34
OP, your DH really isn't pulling his weight. I am on mat leave and have a 4 month old too - he's much like yours, a great good natured baby. However I still get loads of help from my DH. He does bath time and feeds when he can, and his days off are split 50:50 as he sees it as time off for both of us. My DH works 10-14 hour shifts, so at random times, and does 6 days on, 4 days off.
I do as much housework as I can get done but we invariably spend one day off sorting the flat. He would never chuck his clothes on the floor (well, not intentionally - sometimes he's so tired he literally falls into bed. The clothes are in the wash basket the next day though).
Your DH needs to understand the term mat 'leave' is highly misleading and you're actually working very hard on little sleep. Therefore he needs to do more and stop making shit excuses about parenting (and stop going out twice a week!! Argh).
Your HV won't think badly of you for asking for help. In the earlier weeks when DH was struggling and I was downright exhausted both of us spent time with our HV and felt very supported by her.
Also head out to some mum and baby groups. Where I am (north west London) there are free groups run by the NCT, local children's centres (ask your HV for details), libraries and random adverts in cafe windows and on notice boards. There are plenty of 'older' mums too. It's much easier yo chat to people when you've both got a baby as there is automatic common ground.
karinmaria Sun 21-Jul-13 21:40:44
Disgrace I very much like the sound of you and your DW!
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 21:52:43
Lol at disgrace smile I think ill call my HV tomorrow . The area I'm in the classes and coffee morning s are in like a community centre and only during term time . But DC is now old enough for the baby gym so I going to start that .
Apileofballyhoo Sun 21-Jul-13 22:29:23
He sounds very very selfish. Are you together long? Do not give up your job. He really needs to take a good hard look at himself and his behaviour.
TondelayoSchwarzkopf Sun 21-Jul-13 22:39:52
He is a very very selfish man, a pig for dropping his clothes on the floor and a bully.
When DC was first born my DH worked much longer hours than that and then came home and cooked us a meal every night because I was exhausted / anaemic and had a non-sleeping EBF baby. We went out together at weekends - parks, lunches, friends, restaurants. He did most of the non-BF childcare (baths, changing, playing) when he was in the house and he loved it. You deserve much better than that.
It is good you are getting out and meeting people but your DH needs to know his behaviour is unacceptable. Try the MN Local boards as well.
Agree that you need to keep financially independent as well:
- Childcare comes out of BOTH of your salaries
- Even if it means that you only just cover the childcare costs you are still making NI contributions, potential pension contributions and keeping your skills up to date - plus you should be getting help with childcare as well through certain government schemes.
- it will only get worse if you are a SAH with this sort of man who does not respect the work you do to keep the family and home going.
HappyandSad Sun 21-Jul-13 22:57:18
We are together 4 years. He wasn't as bad before I went on mat leave .
joanofarchitrave Sun 21-Jul-13 23:05:47
If he chucks his clothes on the floor and you ignore them, it's you who have to live daily with his shit on the floor (as well as the symbolism of his attitude to you when he dropped them). So if he drops them on the floor, pick them up and sling them out of the window.
ReginaPhilangie Sun 21-Jul-13 23:09:14
Not only is he a selfish arse he has absolutely no respect for you. What was he like before you had the baby? What was he like during your pregnancy? Because I'm guessing he was similar just not as bad? And now that you're completely vulnerable he's stepped it up a notch. I agree with Tondelayohe is also a bully.
Is going home to your mum with DC for a break an option?
grounddown Sun 21-Jul-13 23:27:16
I am in a very similar situation to you and I am so frustrated my love for P had turned into sheer resentment. I leaving him, he doesn't know it yet but I'm looking at a property on Tuesday and will do an application and be out in a month. I just can't do it anymore.
He had never put a child to bed, he doesn't cook, he very rarely looks after the kids and if he does he puts peppa pig on and carries on doing his own thing - he's just a pain in my ass, my life will be easier without him.
It costs me more in childcare than I earn at work but I do 2 days a week to keep me same, my kids are 6 months and just gone 2.
Best of luck in whatever you choose to do, it's really hard being in a relationship with someone who doesn't give what you give.
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 02:12:54
Grounddown you sound very brave.?i hope everything will work out for you? I'm sure you asked for support many times and never got it ?? Or did he do stuff for a few days and stop? Just wanting a point of reference as I spoke with DP tonight and he said he would try harder around house he didn't sound convincing tbh . I can't be sure if he said it to shut me up or he means it
Vivacia Mon 22-Jul-13 06:33:13
Did you spell out exactly what "more around the house" looks like? If not, there's still time to write it out as a helpful reminder.
Well done on talking to him about it.
misskatamari Mon 22-Jul-13 09:04:32
I would definitely be inclined to be very specific with him (you need to do x,y and z) so that there is no excuse for him not doing things. When we first moved in together I would get so pissed off with DH as I felt like I did everything so I made a list of everything that needed doing and we sat down and talked it through and divided it up. It's not perfect obviously but it helps to both be on the same page.
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 09:09:40
He got up for work this morning and has left kitchen and bathroom in a mess and a wet towel on the bed! I was specific last night I said to pick up after himself do the dishes at least 3 times a week, put baby to sleep 3 nights a week( building up to it being a routine for him and DC) . I thought that would be enough to start.
Vivacia Mon 22-Jul-13 09:29:22
Well if that's what you said, he's stuck to it. Make sure he does the dishes tonight, set the routine to be that one cleans the kitchen and does the dishes whilst the other puts baby to bed.
Don't worry about having to spell out every single thing. It's easy to feel resentful when you feel, "I had to figure it out" but other people aren't mind readers. Just don't fall in to the trap of rescuing him at the first sign of faux struggling.
DisgraceToTheYChromosome Mon 22-Jul-13 09:48:47
Oh shit.
OP: how do you get on with your ILs? I'm thinking he's going to have to choose a leg.
Seriously, he's just dissed you big time. He's starting to do what the abusers do: assume your vulnerability means you won't kick off. His "try harder" means "I'm not going to do it, but I'll keep giving you excuses until you stop asking".
Make a big heap of his shit, and when he gets home tell he him he has 90 minutes to get the house spotless and get dinner on the table. Then take DC to the park.
misskatamari Mon 22-Jul-13 09:55:11
That's great that you spelled it out Happy. Lets hope this morning was just a blip (I know when I'm getting ready for work I just bung stuff back in the kitchen and don't even think about being tidy). I know it must be a pain as you're at home all day seeing it when he has left a mess.
I think it is really easy to get frustrated when a partner isn't pulling their weight and just doesn't seem to "see" the mess or understand that there aren't magical fairies that stick the cupboards and do the washing - it's actually you working bloody hard to do it! I've had many a tiff with DH about tidying etc but with time he's gotten pretty good at splitting the load. He often needs telling what to do though as he often doesn't seem to see what I see when we look at the house e.g I see a pile of clothes - I bung em in the wash. He doesn't usually. I also had to learn to be less narky about having things done on my schedule e.g if I ask him to do something he will - but it might happen a bit slower than I would like (how anyone can take about 40 mins to wash up I do not know!) or he'll do what I ask but maybe not straight away (even though I'm tearing my hair out just wanting it done).
Just keep communicating with DH what you need help with and hopefully he will get into good habits and you won't need to constantly remind. I also find a sincere "thank you, I really appreciate you doing this" can work wonders. Some may argue against that as he "should be doing it anyway" and yes, he should buy showing that you appreciate what each other does goes a long way (and hopefully will help him to be a bit more appreciative and kind with regards to everything you do).
Lets hope tonight he makes himself useful!
Crocodilio Mon 22-Jul-13 10:04:06
Practically: when my now ex-dp did this, one of my coping strategies was to buy a large trunk that looked nice in the bedroom, and anything he left lying around upstairs went into it - clothes, screwdrivers, towels, dirty and clean. I didn't see why I had to be everyone's skivvy (and I worked full-time too). It didn't work though, he remains in a pig sty, however now I don't have to share it.
motherinferior Mon 22-Jul-13 10:11:10
It's not needing help. It's doing his share.
He has just told you how it is, hasnt he? He is a shit.
If I were you, I would take baby, and go home for a holiday.
Tell him you want the baby to have a passport so you can go and visit your parents. Take a holiday at home and decide what you want to do. You dont have to be trapped in this country!
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 10:34:40
I can't go for a holiday as he said he would report me for kidnapping , this was said during a fight recently when I said I needed to see my family. I know he doesn't mean to be such a dick well I hope he doesn't . Maybe he finding being a farther harder than he thought?
DisgraceToTheYChromosome Mon 22-Jul-13 11:03:43
Oh God.
It isn't just the housework, is it?
I'm stepping away now. Vipers: the OP needs you.
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 11:19:25
Disgrace you are right it's not just the housework but if he supported me more things would be much easier.?!?!
grounddown Mon 22-Jul-13 11:27:16
I've asked for support a million times, I've cried when I'm too exhausted to ask and it makes no difference. He says that he will do the next night then comes up with an excuse why he can't. He tells me he will help more, he might spend an hour deep cleaning the kitchen but that's not what I want him to do, I want him to take responsibility for his family for once and take the kids out for the day so I can have some time to myself.
It's my own fault for putting up with it, he was the same with my first child and when I found out I was pg with DS he said he would change (after I refused his request to terminate) and be more hands on so like a twat I believed him but guess what, even when I had a throat infection and a D&V bug when DS was 5 weeks old he managed to find an excuse not to do a single night feed.
Some men can change and I'm certainly not a man basher but mine can't and so yet again it's my responsibility to make a decision to better my situation.
grounddown Mon 22-Jul-13 11:32:19
The long and short of it is you shouldn't have to beg your partner for anything, certainly not to look after their own child. I am not brave, I am just tired and desperate to make a change.
I am dreading being on my own with the kids because its bloody hard work but I refuse to be treated like a twat anymore, I really hope your man can change and u must give him chance to before you do anything drastic like leaving (IMO)
cestlavielife Mon 22-Jul-13 11:37:12
you are on maternity leave - take your baby for a holiday to see your family, invite dh to come visit too but you have every right to go fo three four weeeks while you on mat leave.
if he is stopping you visiting your family you have serious problems here .
buy a return ticket and go visit your family.
while there, consider everything.
FrequentFlyerRandomDent Mon 22-Jul-13 15:06:47
OP, there is a lot going on, isn't there. I thought he might discount your job. But a job is also a career. It is NI payments, retirement money, etc.
Am I right to understand that you are not married? He is asking a lot from you without any security on his part. Also, I am not sure he has any right to say where you can go. Call your embassy if unsure. Get facts.
I am very sorry. Often things change after the birth of the first baby, as one partner becomes dependent on the other.
There are many red flags waving here.
What would you like to do?
You can break your isolation and talk in confidence to your HV or women's aid. I think their number does not show up on the phone bill.
Keep talking and getting out there, to people in RL.
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 17:17:30
Frequent the thing is I'm not dependant on him for money right now I still pay for everything I did before mat leave ( I saved for a while) but that does leave me with no money for me. He does earn double what I earn though so it would be nice if I could have some me money too.
I want him to just help and if he is finding it hard being a dad just to talk about it and we can get help together. I'm going to see my HV tomorrow .
Vivacia Mon 22-Jul-13 17:32:41
"It would be nice"??
motherinferior Mon 22-Jul-13 17:40:11
Sweetie, I've adjusted my opinion of him. He sounds really horrible. You're being ripped off in every possible way angry
karinmaria Mon 22-Jul-13 18:46:46
So you're currently on maternity leave and therefore looking after your baby and house full time (24/7). Your H is working full time (9-5/5). You are using your savings whilst your H earns more and has a higher disposable income. You do not get a break (when was the last time you were able to enjoy a bath or a trashy magazine for example?) but he goes out twice a week and does not do any childcare or housework after work or at weekends.
See how that just doesn't work? Your baby and house are joint - you both created and share them.
Just out of interest, who pays your mortgage, bills, joint food and baby items such as nappies?
misskatamari Mon 22-Jul-13 19:17:27
Hmmm, my opinion is also starting to change motherinferior. The money thing is really odd in my opinion. Surely when it comes to maternity leave and being parents the money you earn is shared household money? I can't imagine it being "mine and his" when DH and I have our baby as we are a family and the money we earn is for our family. It is awful that you are expected to keep paying for things when you are on maternity leave and vastly reduced pay!
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 19:27:44
I pay for half of everything including mortgage ( in his name tho) and I buy all of DC clothes put of my own money simply because DP thinks most of the clothes are a waste of money , he may be right I like to have DC looking smart. After writing this all down and reading your replies I'm starting to think wtf am I doinghmm
karinmaria Mon 22-Jul-13 19:37:50
You pay half the mortgage yet it's in his name?! There is some scary inequality in your relationship. I'm certainly not an expert and can't really advise you on next steps but it all sounds like you're not getting anything from being with this man (do you laugh? Enjoy the weekends together as a family? Does he do anything nice for you at all?), apart from your lovely baby of course.
I'm so angry on your behalf OP. Not that it is particularly helpful.
Vivacia Mon 22-Jul-13 19:39:17
I just want to give you a hug. I'm also wondering wtf you're doing. What do you want to happen?
karinmaria Mon 22-Jul-13 19:43:01
Just to give you an idea of what we do in our marriage (which has taken work!): my DH and I pay half each of all mortgage, bills, food, baby essentials, car etc. This takes up pretty much all of my maternity pay so the rest of DH's salary is 'ours'. It goes into a joint account and we discuss what treats we spend each month e.g. He goes to the gym and does a martial art, I need a new dress for a wedding that's coming up. Anything left over goes into our moving house fund.
misskatamari Mon 22-Jul-13 19:54:44
How has he been tonight Happy? Any luck with the bath and bed routine?
DisgraceToTheYChromosome Mon 22-Jul-13 19:59:00
OK. By paying half the mortgage you have a claim in equity against half the value of the house. You also have a right to reside there while DC is your dependent. After all, he isn't interested
Unless you can get H to stop being a twunt, you need to see a solicitor. It is that bad, trust me. I have two female friends who have been reduced to beggary by utter bastards, and I can smell it on your H. One of the friends lost her house because her H "neglected" to put her on the title deeds.
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 20:00:51
Karin I would like the set up you have. He does make me laugh and can be really sweet but since DC not so much. The best thing he has given me is the joy I get from my sweet little DC . I have forwarded him some links on how to adjust to the role of dad and support me and am considering showing him this thread. I was going to show him info on PND but I'm afraid he will then use that as an excuse IYSWIM. I have handed him DC 10 mins ago and told him to put him asleep he looks like a scared child , not very impressed with me I'm sure he will hand him back soon .
Thanks to everyone for the nice messages it means a lot to me
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 20:01:42
Miss I did the bath
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 20:05:00
Disgrace I worry about if I have a right to house I having being paying for mortgage for 3 years and yeah I have considered seeing a solicitor just so I can stabs up for myself a bit more and show I know what I'm entitled too. Not that I would want his house but if the shut hits the fans I'd like to know I'd still have somewhere to live with baby.
Dramamama Mon 22-Jul-13 20:07:39
Tell him your going to your mums for the weekend leave him to do everything you normally do and see if he still feels like what he does is harder wink x
Vivacia Mon 22-Jul-13 20:10:11
You could start another thread, tell us what you want us to say, and then show him that. For example, a) ask us to describe the arrangement in our families and b) what we'd do with the arrangement you describe.
karinmaria Mon 22-Jul-13 20:18:34
I do like Vivacia's idea as that thread may have slightly less opinionated words on it like twunt!
It did take some time for my DH to come round to my more joint way of thinking but he's so pleased we did it now the baby is here. DH now sees us as a family unit rather than two separate people.
I'm so sorry your H isn't stepping up to the plate. Personally I think he sounds controlling (the thing about reporting you for kidnap should you do the very normal thing of taking baby to your parents for a bit for example) and disrespectful to you. I'll keep my fingers crossed he did bedtime tonight but sadly I think it'll be in vain.
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 20:22:07
DC been handed back to me hmm well at least I get cuddles!!
Earthworms Mon 22-Jul-13 20:22:13
Call his bluff on going to your mums. You absolutely need a break, and some help.
He won't let you take the baby? Great, he needs to book 3 weeks off work and do sole charge then.
And can start practicing now.
Yeah right.
Though it really doesn't feel like it, you are in a strong position. Think of yourself Like a boss that needs to make someone redundant. There's you who does all the work, or him, bullying idle slacker. Tough choice. Not.
karinmaria Mon 22-Jul-13 20:31:40
Baby cuddles are amazing smile
Ugh that he didn't do bedtime though. Any reason why?
Keep thinking about something else you said - that you wouldn't want to tell him about PND because he'd use it against you or as an excuse. That's horrid and makes me feel sad for you.
FrequentFlyerRandomDent Mon 22-Jul-13 20:37:54
I am glad you are seeing your HV tomorrow.
I would be prudent about showing him this thread. Apart from posting here, you are pretty much isolated.
You do need some protection. You are being financially taken advantage of. You should not be using savings when he earns more.
He had down graded you to some homemaker role. It could all end happily but not by itself.
So if tomorrow he falls for a work colleague, or under the bus, you are homeless.
There are a lot of title things converging to a bigger picture where he does not respect you or imagine you as a long term equal.
motherinferior Mon 22-Jul-13 20:46:04
So he hasn't done bath and bed, and he left the place a mess. Your talk got nowhere.
misskatamari Mon 22-Jul-13 21:09:05
He really needs to step up and be a father to his child. That means being able to do bath and bed without your help. TOUGH if he finds it tricky at first - it is his responsibility as a father ! He can't just give up and hand DC to you - how is that going to get him anywhere. He needs to spend time with your child bonding with him an stop being so bloody lazy and defeatist!
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 21:10:52
smile at earthworms, nice way to look at it .
Reason for him not putting him to bed was because DC freaked out I seem to be better at calming him.
And yes it does seen my talk got me no where but maybe he needs a day or two to get used to the idea of helping out ?!?
I just want to be happy again and not worry about any if this .
I really would give anything to see my family. I wonder if I just booked tickets would he really call police or is he bluffing.
misskatamari Mon 22-Jul-13 21:14:38
Could you do bath time together for a few days and help him to settle DC? I know it must be hard for DH if he feels like he doesn't know what he is doing but he does need to keep trying.
It is awful that he doesn't want you to see your family. You need to explain to him that it is something you have to do - and the mentioning of kidnap is just ludicrous - I would be asking him why a thought like that would even cross his mind!
Hopefully he will come round and pull his weight!
Vivacia Mon 22-Jul-13 21:28:00
This is not a way to live. Needing a day or two to get used to the idea of being a dad who wants to care for his child? A man who threatens his wife if she thinks about seeking support from her own mother?
HappyandSad Mon 22-Jul-13 21:35:21
Miss I have explained to him step by step what needs to be done with bath eg how to clean certain areas how to dry properly and how to use oil afterwards I have also shown him and tried to coach him but not in a condescending way I tell him to have fun and play with baby as well. My DC loves the water.
I think if I can talk to HV maybe they can offer him support too ?!
If I do gave mild PND what would they do?? I'm quite scared to talk about it with HV
FrequentFlyerRandomDent Mon 22-Jul-13 21:48:06
OP, the problem is not you, honestly.
If you have mild PND, they will direct you to the GP I believe. I am not sure what sort of support they would provide your DP. I am not aware that kicks in the back are offered on the NHS.
I wonder if the situation was reversed, if he lost his job and you had yours still, what would he think of washing, cleaning, running the home, child minding and picking up your dirty clothes off the floor, wash them, pay bills from his savings until they run dry?
Please do get help for yourself, and legal advice about your rights travelling abroad with your DD. I would recommend you also add your name on the house deeds. Your DP is not going to change unless he has a reason to, tbh. A frank conversation is needed. And actions to prove he thinks of you as a team.
misskatamari Mon 22-Jul-13 21:58:46
Happy, good luck with your HV tomorrow - she is there to support you and I'm sure you will feel lots better if you speak to her. I think with PND they would refer you to your GP. If you think you may be suffering then its important you speak to them so they can help support you through it. You're doing a great job and obviously care a great deal for your family. Big hugs
NeedlesCuties Tue 23-Jul-13 08:55:59
Did you move from your home country to live in DP's home country? Or did you both move to a different country? Is there a difference of culture between you two?
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm trying to work out if he's trying to isolate you (by distancing you from your family), and if he thinks house tasks are not 'man's work' (you said he earns double what you earn, so I'm assuming he doesn't have a learning difficulty which would render him unable to do chore)
motherinferior Tue 23-Jul-13 12:47:39
Please stop making excuses for him. He doesn't need 'time to adjust'. He just needs to start doing his share of looking after his child. He needs to do his share of the housework. To stop threatening you if you want to go to see your mother. And to stop exploiting you financially.
You are not his slave and DC is his child, not your occupation.
This is bad. You need to be monitoring and thinking about his beaviour and what is acceptable to you a lot. Also agree 9-5 is easy job hours(sorry!).
You also need to get involved in the community around you. Are there some mother and baby groups?
Jan45 Tue 23-Jul-13 17:03:40
He's acting like a single man and definitely doesn't see you two as equal, he needs to grow up and act like a man and a father, possibly he can't, therefore you will know what you have to do, does he think it's the 18th Century???
He goes out 2 nights a week, when do you get a night off, does he ever take you out anywhere, sounds like he doesn't do anything apart from indulge his own pleasures.
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FredWorms Sat 26-Jan-13 20:22:13
DD 11 and DS 13. She can't stand him, treats him like something she's scraped off her shoe at all times. I mean relentlessly. She undermines his confidence all day, every day. For the last 2 days every time he opens his mouth to speak she has hissed "shhhh" at him. It's like a hate campaign that has gone on and on and on. She calls him awful, hateful names about his physical appearance, really goes in where it hurts. We impose sanctions, she gets upset and stops for a day or so, then it starts again.
We have all put ourselves out today so DD could go riding. DS has stood around, uncomplaining, for hours. Afterwards we went to the supermarket and she was like a spoiled princess the whole time. About 1/2 hr ago, just about to sit down for a family meal, I hear a rumpus upstairs. She has been hideous to DS, (refusing to tell him where his phone charger is in the most provocative manner), he has reached the end of his tether and has pulled her hair and kicked her in the back. This never usually happens. He's clearly had enough.
The next bit was not good, on my part. I told her it was long overdue and showed no sympathy at all. She was crying, she's thrown laundry around upstairs (I mean deliberately chucked clean stuff all over the place), had a bath and is now eating alone in silence. I had a word with DS whilst she was upstairs. I told him violence is unacceptable under any circumstances, he has voluntarily written her a note of apology, he feels bad and says he just snapped. I've confiscated her beloved phone until weds (not told her yet).
What now? I'm going to have a delinquent on my hands. She's just so angry, most of the time, and I don't know why. It's been like this for a couple of years. How should I have dealt with the violence?
This is just crap. I was looking forward to this evening and it's all so bloody miserable.
FredWorms Sat 26-Jan-13 20:24:20
Sorry. Long sad
piprabbit Sat 26-Jan-13 20:26:02
I think you need to confiscate something of DS's too - as physical violence is a huge no.
Have you talked to your DD about how she is feeling and why she is so angry and taking it out on her DB?
FredWorms Sat 26-Jan-13 20:27:48
I have tried and tried, for years. I don't know why she treats him like this. She just says I don't know.
FredWorms Sat 26-Jan-13 20:29:19
Thanks for reading pip.
toomuch2young Sat 26-Jan-13 20:31:15
Have you any idea why your DD is behaving like this? It seems more than usual sibling behaviour? Your DS sounds on the whole an angel to tolerate it so well, and although violence must be always frowned upon, and disiplined for - it seems like he really was at breaking point sad.
I think you need to get your DDs behaviour in line by being tougher - certainly no treats like riding while she is conducting a hate campaign against DS!
I really feel for you, must make things uncomfortable at home for you.
toomuch2young Sat 26-Jan-13 20:32:28
Cross posts. Sorry for asking again. I don't think 'i don't know'
Is a suitable answer. She needs to learn this behaviour has serious consequences.
Huge sympathies - here it is DS2 and DS3 who cannot bear to breathe the same air without verbal provocation v rapidly descenting into physical violence. They are not quite 9 and 5... sad
I have no pat answer.
We have tried v hard.
The most helpful thing was for DS2 to see the school counsellor for a while to work on his self-esttem which was/is rubbish.
Not sure this will be the underlying cause with your 2, but maybe you'd consider getting some outside help involved?
Most schools offer independent/confidential counselling for their students AFAIK.
NanettaStocker Sat 26-Jan-13 20:35:45
What is she generally like to other people? Is he the only person who gets this treatment?
I think your DS has been very restrained considering his age.
Screaminabdabs Sat 26-Jan-13 20:36:20
It's absolutely unacceptable for her to treat him like this. Agree about hitting being also serious, though.
ConfuzzledMummy Sat 26-Jan-13 20:36:44
Sorry but your poor son shouldn't be punished he's had enough of her being a little madam. I don't blame him at all. It sounds like she's being spoilt rotten whilst he has got to stand there and watch. If she's acting like this why have you even considered taking her riding, she obviously doesn't deserve it. She's treating your son like this because you allow her to. Stop treating her like a spoilt princess she will stop acting like one
crypes Sat 26-Jan-13 20:37:03
Why is she going riding if her behaviour has gone on and on. Is it going on because shes knows shes number one and you always spoil her? Be careful because her behaviour can break up future sibling relationships . My siblings arnt close and I think its because we used to fight to much when children .
FredWorms Sat 26-Jan-13 20:37:24
Thanks toomuch. I think I need to hear that. I don't think we've been firm enough with the sanctions tbh.
FredWorms Sat 26-Jan-13 20:40:58
I wouldn't say we spoil her, as such, but I am finding her increasingly difficult. We just seem to get into ludicrous spirals of imposing sanctions, her getting angry and misbehaving further, more sanctions.
ohmeohmy Sat 26-Jan-13 20:41:28
maybe she needs help dealing with her feelings. somethinglike this?
StickEmWithThePointyEnd Sat 26-Jan-13 20:42:32
She probably doesn't know why. I remember not knowing why I was horrendous to my younger sister and we get on great now not living together may help. My mum used to tell me that "I don't know isn't an acceptable answer" but I honestly didn't and still don't know why I did it. She annoyed the hell out of me by her mere existence but I have no idea why that was.
I think it may be good that your ds has stood up for himself in the long term though.
Not sure how manageable it would be but maybe you could try enforcing a "If you can't say anything nice" policy with them both, as in, neither are allowed to talk to each other at all unless it is to say something nice or polite.
toomuch2young Sat 26-Jan-13 20:50:55
How is she with other children? Does she have friendships and good relationships at school? Have school any problems with her behaviour?
If she does indeed love riding I would use that and only allow it after a week of no insults or comments to DS.
Can you or DS's dad do a separate activity which DS enjoys at a weekend? So he is getting confidence up and having quality time away from his sister.
shhhgobacktosleep Sat 26-Jan-13 20:55:51
You have my sympathies. My 2 eldest are b/g twins and they went through a period of approx 4 yrs where they were constantly nit picking and generally making life for the entire family awful when they were together. They could not sit in the same room without simmering hatred and actual kicking each other if they had to sit on the 3seater sofa at the same time. I have to admit that dd was the main culprit and gentle ds rarely retaliated. Dd at one point screamed that when she was an adult she would not come home to visit if dt was going to be there. We laugh at it now but at the time it was horrendous for me to hear and I felt constantly tortured when they were both around. They are 16 now and get on much better, are in and out of each other's rooms, socialising within the same friendship groups. I know it may sound odd but could it be your dd's hormones escalating normal sibling behaviour? Our dd was a nightmare before her periods started and settled into a regular cycle.
I'm in agreement though with a pp who said that horse riding etc needs to stop until your dd learns to control her behaviour and actions. I would certainly be letting her know verbally and follow up with actions that the world was not going to revolve around her and that she needs to change how she is behaving. I think perhaps getting them both sat down together at the table with you (and dp/dh)and letting them know what sort of behaviour you expect from them both and even letting them voice calmly what are the issues as they see them, may be a good idea.
Can you get everyone together and agree on some family rules and consequences for if these rules are broken.
Try and get both the kids to have some input but if DD won't then tell her you will decide for her.
Then you have to follow through with the consequences.
I have found this site has some really good ideas too.
We get a bit of this from DD1 when she's in a mood, but it doesn't last for more than a few hours atm( she's just 11). I'm expecting it to get worse sad
FredWorms Sat 26-Jan-13 20:56:49
Fantastic responses, thanks all. StickEm, very helpful to hear you get on ok with your sister nowadays.
porridgeLover Sat 26-Jan-13 21:15:26
Similar issues here which is why I've adopted the motto 'there will be no mean in 2013' for all of us.
Which is to say that neither DS, DDs nor I can say or do unkind things to each other.
There is a zero tolerance approach to anything that's unkind to another person living here. I've done (in the past) lots of coaching around recognising our own feelings, feeling frustrated, knowing when we have reached our limits and need time away from each other.
Since I started this, DS has been really horrible to DD2 on a few occasions, and when I got into why...... he said he did it to get attention from me blush blush sad
Apologies are not enough as 'anyone can say sorry' and have to be followed up with an act of kindness for the offended person.
I try to apply the rule to myself as much as anyone, and while we are not perfect, it has turned the temperture down a notch and I hope it teaches good skills for life.
ShebaQueen Sat 26-Jan-13 21:25:13
Poor you Fred, sorry you are having such a rotten time. I must admit that my sympathies are with your DS. Of course I would never condone violence and he absolutely must apologise, but it is obvious that he snapped. Your DD has been making his life an absolute misery and she is obviously used to getting her own way.
I think you have to really take her to task on this and don't cave in to her sulking, pouting and throwing things around. I am saying that as though it is easy but I know from experience that it is easier said than done.
Good luck and wine for you.
SavoyCabbage Sat 26-Jan-13 21:29:39
There should be no riding. That's madness. Like going round to your son's bully's house with a tin of Quality Street.
I think the family meeting/family motto ideas are great. You need to draw a line under it all and start afresh with consequences for actions.
One of my friends is going through a similar thing with her dds. She seemed to be oblivious to the way she treated her dds differently. One does three major activities whilst the other is dragged along to watch. The oldest does think she is the most important person in the family. The youngest has just started an activity and the oldest is undermining her at every turn. Telling her she's shit at it and laughing at her.
I once read that you should use the phrase "my son" when talking to your dc about things like this. "You are not to speak to my son like that" etc. Placing a value on them.
I wouldn't worry about punishing your DS to be honest - he was pushed to his limit, he flipped, he has been chastised and has apologised. It shouldn't have got to the stage where he couldn't take any more.
Agree with the others re getting tougher on your DD.
By the way - he is apologising to her for the violent reaction. Does she ever apologise to him for being a right cow rather provoking?
piprabbit Sat 26-Jan-13 21:35:21
If you have a moment or two, you could take a look at parentchannel.tv. It has lots of useful short clips with advice and information on handling all sorts of parenting issues. You might be interested in the ones on 'squabbling siblings', 'angry children' and 'family meetings'.
Good luck - and remember the mantra "this too shall pass".
out2lunch Sat 26-Jan-13 21:43:24
Do you think shebehaves like this with him because she can?
I agree with the others who say you need go be tougher with her.
My brother was a nasty bully to me growing up because he could get away with it.be fair to both your dcs and intervene every time - it won't be easy but will be so worthwhile.
Sorry for terrible typing.
piprabbit Sat 26-Jan-13 21:47:53
I think out2lunch may have a point and I wonder if your DS snapped and hit out because he feels that you nobody else is doing anything to protect him. If he learns that hitting his DSis gets her off his back and incurs only minimal punishment, then you have the makings of a full scale war as the two of them battle it out while you stand on the sidelines and wring your hands.
Floralnomad Sat 26-Jan-13 21:52:36
At 11 and 13 can't you just keep them apart , at those ages they surely won't want to be dragging around together at weekends. I'd make time to do things with them individually . Tell your son to ignore her and tell your daughter that if she can't say something nice then not to speak to him at all . It is very tiring but from my experience it does improve eventually . Mine have never got on ,although it has improved slightly in the last year ( eldest now 20) , having said that mine have never physically attacked each other ,its all verbal . I have never got to the reasons behind why they don't get on and TBH I've given up trying to work it out , I think theyre just very different people .
Corygal Sat 26-Jan-13 21:57:39
Bullying this effective and sustained is a much bigger issue than the odd clout. I just hope this won't descend into battle of the offences, but I would tackle the first problem - the bullying - seriously.
Take your DD out for a walk and explain that she is a bully, and bullies aren't tolerated in your house. Ask her what she wants to do to fix it. Explain that she's had many chances in the past and that because nothing has improved, you're looking at more serious sanctions. List a couple of them as examples.
The key is you have to mean it. If you bale doing anything now, it will get worse and you won't be able to escape responsibility any further.
Corygal Sat 26-Jan-13 21:59:01
Incidentally, my Dbro also bullied me for England - parents ineffective, and he eventually got suspended for carrying on doing it at school once I'd left home.
You have to be strict. This has probably become a habit for her. Sorry to say it but you are not being a great parent to your DS. You are supposed to protect him from this sort of shot and you aren't.
I'd march upstairs and read her the riot act. Tell her every time she opens her nasty little mouth she needs to look up to see that tonne of bricks that will be descending on her.
Your son deserves more than this from his parents.
DrSeuss Sat 26-Jan-13 22:01:25
Why is she allowed an expensive, inconvenient hobby when she is so unpleasant?
Why does she have a phone when she won't even let her brother have the charger for his? Never mind Wednesday, give it back when some effort has been put in!
I was the child who watched her brother do as he wished. Do you have any idea what it is doing to him long term? Do you not understand that the feeling of being second rate will last for ever?
Would you allow a child at school to do this to your son? You say you have punished her. I have yet to hear of an actual, effective sanction being used.
DontEvenThinkAboutIt Sat 26-Jan-13 22:02:42
What a difficult situation. I would consider coming down really hard on your DD. Possibly to the extent of not allowing her to go in the same room as your DS (if your house allows it). This type of thing could be extremely damaging to your DS.
Does your DS have any suggestions.
The fact she has shhh'ed him for two days shows that she doesn't seem to take any of your warnings seriously. confused. Is she well behaved at school?
What are the most effective sanctions? Can you remove her phone and replace it with a vey basic calls only phone, ban her from the computer? You need to find out what works. With my DC's it was removing computer privilidges.
Good luck.
VenusRising Sat 26-Jan-13 22:07:47
Start writing it all down. White down every transaction between both dcs and other family members too.
Have a family meeting where everyone gets to say what they want out of the family. No blame games, just what behaviour is preferred and what you want out of family life- basic good manners is a start, fun is an extra option! Look for a win win for all.
If your Dd continues to bully your DS then you must call her up on it every time and send her to do some constructive work. if that fails to improve her behaviour, then send her to a psychologist, and if that fails, send her to boarding school. Seriously: and why oh why are you bending over backwards to appease her, she sounds like she's deeply disturbed.
Show her this thread: she needs to figure out how to express herself in a civil manner. Sure we all get frustrated and angry, but lashing out is a no no. She must learn how to recognise her feelings as they start up, and must have some strategies to hand to head off a violent / physical / verbal attack on her younger sibling.
Tbh, your family sounds like they need professional intervention. Good luck with it.
chocoluvva Sat 26-Jan-13 22:13:58
Is she jealous of him?
ironhorse Sat 26-Jan-13 22:24:48
your DS has been very restrained - i would have smacked her long before now if she spoke to me like that. she is acting like a spoilt brat and obviously thinks its OK to act the way she does - you say she was acting like a spoiled princess in the shop - why did you let her act like that? I was always told dont know was an answer and if i couldnt come up with anything i knew all about it - i would also have known about it if i had thrown laundry about, wouldnt have a leg to stand on.= - sounds like your far too soft on her.
i used to bicker with my brother all the time and roll about on the ground with each other and even now we are both in our 40s we still bicker but there was/is no malice in any of it.
LiveItUp Sat 26-Jan-13 22:27:32
So ... she has been vile to him for a couple of years, particularly horrid in the last couple of days, so you take them both out for a saturday and he gets to stand around in the cold watching her ride? confused Does she ever stand on the sidelines of a rugby / football pitch and watch him play a match? If yes, fine, you are treating them equally in that regard.
As others have said, it is your job as his parent to protect him and allow him to grow in an environment free from fear and ridicule. And as DrSeuss above said, if you wouldn't allow a child outside the family to speak to and treat your son like this, why do your let your daughter?
Sorry that sounds judgemental and you have come here for support. I really do sympathise. You need to be much firmer with her. VERY clear boundaries of acceptable behaviour. I suggest a family meeting, writing down agreed behaviours, and all signing them. If it were me, she would only get her phone back to communicate with others when she had made a consistent effort to get on with those in her immediate family.
Maybe a family holiday doing something where you have to get on and work together (I'm thinking camping, outdoor pursuits where they would have to work together as a team to achieve a goal). And no phones / gadgets allowed.
Good luck.
chocoluvva Sat 26-Jan-13 22:30:46
Hopefully, the events of today will have brought things to a head and given you all as a family the opportunity to have a fresh start.
Don't be too hard on your DS.
deleted203 Sat 26-Jan-13 22:39:47
I feel really sorry for DS and concerned at the impact your DDs behaviour must be having on him. Imagine having to live with the school bully who made your life miserable! Being put down constantly, humiliated, criticised, undermined by someone (presumably) bigger, more sarcastic, more unpleasant than you are. It will be doing dreadful psychological damage to him. And it sounds as though DS is a patient and easy going sort of child generally.
You have to get this sorted NOW. As LiveItUp says, it is YOUR job to protect him and you would not let anyone else treat him like dirt in this way. So why does she get to? I wouldn't confiscate his phone. He snapped and has voluntarily apologised. That would be the end of it for me. Glad that you at least told her it was long overdue. If she were mine she'd be sent upstairs to pick up all the stuff that she'd thrown around and told to grow up and stop behaving like a toddler. And then she would be told that her behaviour stops NOW. The minute she opens her mouth with something unpleasant you come down on her like a ton of bricks. The riding stops. The youth club, tea with friends, pocket money, days out. Anything she wants. These are not rights. They are treats that will be taken off you if you are unpleasant and behave badly. If she sulks or gets upset, or has a tantrum then send her to her room. You have to stop letting her rule the household and expecting everyone to tiptoe round her moods/wishes. She does not tell her brother to 'shhh' again. She speaks to him in a civil manner at all times or there will be hell to pay.
Globular Sat 26-Jan-13 23:19:13
madame Tell her every time she opens her nasty little mouth...
That's quite harsh, given she's only 11 sad
chocoluvva Sun 27-Jan-13 00:46:08
My DC just seemed to grow out of their constantly sniping at each other when DC2 turned 12.
They get on well now. They have more in common now, and DC1 doesn't find DC2 so embarrasing apparently.
Maybe you could let your DS have a bit more space. Did he need to be standing around watching your DD do her thing? Is he old enough to stay at home on his own now?
flow4 Sun 27-Jan-13 00:53:51
Here's what I think, Fred, for what it's worth...
Firstly, I think you dealt with today's incident perfectly well enough. smile Both your DCs behaved badly; you've challenged them both and sanctioned them both. People could (and probably will) argue about precisely what sanctions each of them deserves - but you did a reasonable job of weighing things up and did what you thought was right, which (let's face it) is the best any of us can ever do.
However, you have an underlying, 'chronic' problem that you need to handle differently - not (necessarily) because you're doing it wrong, but because what you have done so far just isn't working - your DD is still being vile.
You say you have already been punishing her for this behaviour. Because of this, I disagree with the people who say you should punish her harder and think you need to find something else.
By and large, humans (not only children) are not much motivated by punishment. I know lots of people will disagree, but the evidence is pretty clear: punishment doesn't really work very well. (See here for some reasons).
Also, people (including kids) tend to behave badly because they're not very happy. Your DD doesn't sound happy. I can't tell whether she's angry, or sad, or frightened, or jealous, or something else nasty, but whatever it is, she's not feeling good. Punishment will inevitably make her feel worse and there's a risk that it will therefore make her behave worse.
Lots of people confuse 'punishment' with 'consequences', IMO. Yes, a child needs to learn that there are consequences of bad behaviour; but the most powerful lessons come when these consequences are natural (not artificially created by a parent). In this situation, your DD has experienced several natural consequences - she's had her hair pulled, been kicked, had to eat alone, made her brother and her mother angry and had to deal with the unpleasantness of that... She might have learned a really useful lesson! But if not, you have some work to do highlighting the natural consequences of her being so nasty and making sure she understands them: her brother won't like her; he won't do her any favours; you'll be angry with her; you won't feel like giving her treat... Etc. Every time you notice a natural consequence of her nastiness towards her bro, point it out.
So, rather than punishing your DD, IMO you need to motivate DD to be pleasant. Reward and positive reinforcement work better than punishment. The best rewards, again, are natural ones: people are most motivated by 'intrinsic' rewards like making other people happy, and feeling good about themselves. Your DD might not be very good at recognising the 'good stuff' (lots of us aren't), so you can help, but pointing out to her every time she's pleasant and telling her how pleased that makes you feel with her.
Most importantly, perhaps, you need to show her pleasantness does reap rewards. If your DS is 'easy' and nice, and yet doesn't get much praise or attention or treats, it might be that she's learning "pleasantness doesn't pay". You need to reinforce the good stuff, which means making sure that your DS gets lots of attention, appreciation and praise when he's pleasant - much more than she gets if she's unpleasant.
As well as praise, some other things that motivate people are:
- Appreciation: this is like praise, except you can appreciate things before they're done - you can appreciate her effort as well as any success...
- Attention, especially yours: give her more, but make sure you give attention to the behaviour you want rather than the stuff you don't want!
- Challenge: set her a certain period of time to be nice (a mealtime, an hour, a day, etc.)
- Success: make sure she succeeds in these challenges - so start small with something you're sure she can do. For instance, challenge both of them to say just one nice thing about each other (pick your moment carefully!) If you think she can't be nice about her brother at all, then start with something entirely different, to give her lots of experience of succeeding at something you've asked her to do, and then move on to the 'being nice' stuff.
- Learning about herself: most people are motivated by learning (though not necessarily by school). Help her reflect. As well as asking her "Why did you do that?" when she's behaved badly - which might be too difficult - just help her notice her behaviour to start with, by asking something like "Did you mean to be so rude?", "Did you notice how horrible you just were to DB?", "Oh, that was a much nicer way of talking! What do you think made it sound so nice?", etc.
And also, I'd say it's worth trying you think will help your DD to feel happier, because that will almost certainly make her behave better.
Goodness, I've waffled on long enough, I'll shut up now in a moment!
I'm not saying your DD should 'get away with' being horrible to her bro. I'm saying that focussing on the horribleness and punishing it hasn't worked; so instead you could try focussing on the positive, and leave the negative to take care of itself...
achillea Sun 27-Jan-13 01:10:27
Part of the fighting is about giving each other emotional space. It is normal for siblings to fight and argue, it wouldn't be normal if they didn't.
Apart from that obvservation I can't top the advice that flow4 gives above. My dds are at each others throats too.
Dd1 is now moving out of the shared room because dd2 is being impossible. She is prepared to take the box room. In our case dd1 has no privacy and she is ready for some, dd2 has no respect for personal space (additional needs etc) so it is time to separate.
I'm sure it will settle.
Cervixfiddler Sun 27-Jan-13 02:26:00
I have been going through the same shit with my kids. DS 13 and DD 10. They have driven me mad since she learned to run and talk confused They are both pretty vile to one another, though she is far worse than him. He's pretty chilled tbh. She's a bloody termagant. In fact, she was a mere 6 mo old the first time she pulled his hair and screamed bloody blue murder because he had the cheek to sit on my lap next to her. After years of navigating through the hell that is parenthood, I think I keep things under control with my own threats of violence and apocolypse being visited upon them when they dare to fall asleep and risk me becoming a mad woman from the depths of hell... I think this whole situation is normal - unpleasant as it is - and Flow4 gives really amazing advice that I will use more often myself. Also, I was considering that your DD might be on the verge of puberty and the hormonal upheaval of that might be causing her to be viler than normal. God knows I was a horrible little bitch at that point in my life. Like you, when my son has had enough, I also tell her that she deserves the slap / kick / punch / push / menial strangulation / nosebleed / partial drowning / etc that she got, coldly watch her cry in frustration because I will not take her side and quietly let DS know on the side that lashing out in violence really isn't the best way to go, but if he does feel the need in future, leave no evidence behind and the rose patch out back is a pretty good burial site. wink Above all, try to keep your sense of humour or you'll end up in a mental facility before they are 18. Good luck.
porridgeLover Sun 27-Jan-13 09:05:56
Excellent, excellent post flow4
Theas18 Sun 27-Jan-13 09:15:04
In think your ds apologising is enough tbh.
As regards your dd you can either come down on her hard and make her earn trays like riding. Or, and it's supposed to work, though you won't initially like doing it....spend more one to one time-more cuddles, walks outside, girly films etc.
Oh and your ds is 13 . How about cutting him some space without her? Can he really not stay home alone for a couple of hours instead of standing around at riding?
Startail Sun 27-Jan-13 09:39:23
Lay off the sanctions and read the chapter on punishment in
"Who to talk so teens will listen and listen so teens will talk"
If she's anything like my DD2 your DD, deep deep down hates being the youngest, she hates the one thing that is in no ones power to change. She hates the fact that she is powerless ever to change that.
If you punish her that heightens her feelings of anger and resentment, it heightens her feeling that she's at the bottom of the heap.
She will blame you for being horrible parents, she will blame DS for ever being born, but she won't behave any better.
You need to find a way of giving her the control and independence she desperately seeks without her perceiving it as a reward for being vile.
Seriously I'm not one for parenting manuals, But in this case READ THE BOOK!
specialsubject Sun 27-Jan-13 10:22:25
You already HAVE a delinquent. She might be only 11, but she is nasty and vicious. You are doing her no favours by letting this carry on, everybody hates the school bully. If she 'doesn't know why' then she can just stop.
they don't have to spend time together (Who would want to spend time with her as she is at the moment?) but he mustn't live in fear in his own house. Why didn't you stop the horrendous 'sssh' the moment it started?
stop her abusing him, make the place safe, remove all her entitlements - and then start trying to change her.
best of luck.
flow4, excellent post and I agree with everything you've have said.
The challenge is to put it in practice when tempers are running high and, when there is physical violence involved, protecting the current punchbag in the heat of the moment.
But yes, v v good advice in your post.
Abra1d Sun 27-Jan-13 12:54:30
OP> you might be describing my children a year ago. My daughter, two years younger, would wind up my son, who is a bit of a 'reactor'.
She has now stopped winding him up and has become very supportive to him.
It's very sad and awful to relate this, but I think one of the reasons, apart from growing out of it, perhaps, was that two teenage boys known to us killed themselves in separate and unrelated incidents. It showed her in the most tragic way possible just how fragile and vulnerable boys can be. I don't think either of these boys were being bullied or teased, by the way: there were other things going on, but it made her think about her brother and realise that she did care a lot about him. She had a real shock on both occasions and was visible shaken.
I hope and pray nobody else needs to have these things happen to have conversations like this, but perhaps some general chat about the sad things that can happen to teenagers and how we all need to look out for one another?
Me too! Whoever mentioned natural consequences is quite right. The natural consequence of goading someone day in, day out, is that one day they'll turn round and wallop you. If you're lucky, maybe his reaction will actually teach her a lesson and make her think twice next time she opens her mouth.
YY flow4 wise words.
I have had issues like this in the past between DS1 and DS2.
One technique which had some success was that I talked to DS1 quite calmly about the effect his attitude to his brother had on the family as a whole and me in particular. How sad I felt when I heard him putting down his brother or sneering at him. How family life as a whole was being spoilt by his unpleasantness. He was quite taken aback by this and made visible efforts to improve.
Oh dear, really sorry to hear this. I can only echo what others have said. Your daughter behaves like she does because she can get away with it and go riding. A win win for her.
Your son at some point will reach puberty and grow into a very big unhappy young man if this continues. I agree with others, I would not punish him for this outburst, I think he has done extremely well to contain himself so far.
I have no idea why she behaves like she does and can't help you there. Is it worse on certain days of the month, if so she could be hormonal. But also how does she behave with her peer group?
She needs to know what is acceptable and what isn't. You need to carry out any threat that you make and be prepared to not go riding even if you have to pay for it anyway. You must not back down.
My DD always has a disgusting room, I ground her if it isn't tidy and she won't get pocket money either if she doesn't keep it nice. She knows the rules. Thankfully she won't go near her brother (who is just under 6ft 5' now) to be nasty - she wouldn't dare!
Startail Sun 27-Jan-13 17:55:39
Seriously read the chapter I suggested it's coming from exactly the same ideas as FLOW4s link.
It's just easier to read, has cartoons and a practical plan of action.
It's not a new book, your library or a friend probably has a copy. It's stupidly expensive for a light weight paperback even on kindle.
flow4 Sun 27-Jan-13 23:04:26
You're right, Pacific, it's absolutely not advice to put into practice when tempers are running high and/or when physical violence is involved.
The OP was asking for advice/suggestions about 'long-term strategy' (I think), rather than 'crisis intervention', so that's what I was focussing on.
When I think about it, in 'crisis' circumstances I aim to:
1. Prevent if possible: distract 'em just like toddlers tho' maybe not with bananas ; head it off with some other activity; separate in anticipation, etc.
2. Remind kids of no violence rules (they sometimes seem to forget v easily when they're angry hmm )
3. Listen out for whether they're equal participants: since my kids rarely argue in front of me, I am often making judgements about whether/how to intervene from another room - it's very tricky, and I don't always get it right. I agree with achillia and others who say some sibling conflict is normal, and actually I think that if parents always intervene it can cause problems, because the kids don't learn to resolve disagreements for themselves... But I find I can usually hear a 'change of pitch' or some sort of 'escalation of emotions' - a sign that one or the other isn't coping any more - and that's what I listen out for.
4. Checking/giving feedback: I call something like "Are you both OK? It sounds like that's going too far". This gives them both the opportunity to take it down a notch if it's a 'fair fight', and gives me more of a sense of whether everything's still OK.
5. Intervene if one of them isn't OK or can't 'handle it': sometimes that's the younger, smaller one; sometimes it's the older, more insecure, less articulate one, who's more likely to 'snap' and be violent. I intervene very directly by entering the room, shouting "Stop it!" before anything else, and if necessary stepping in between them (but that point hasn't been reached for a very long time).
6. Separate: sending or taking one of them out of the room. I can't really 'send' them to their rooms any more (at 13 and 17 - they just don't go) but usually the one who had had enough is happy to come with me.
7. Express my dislike: I'll reinforce that I don't like fighting, or that they went too far, or that one of them was out of order.
8. I don't use sanctions: I learned a long time ago that unless you see every moment of a conflict, you can't be sure who's 'right' and who's 'wrong', and anyway punishment doesn't seem to work (see above).
9. Don't give it more attention at the time: You know that old bit of advice, Ignore the behaviour you don't want to encourage? Well, because of this, I give conflict as little of my attention as I can manage, at/around the time it's happening. Once the immediate crisis is over and I have (I hope) prevented anyone getting hurt or losing control, I don't fuss or comfort or nag. If anyone is upset, I'll give hugs, but I'm also likely to say something like "Well, you should have walked away sooner".
10. If anything needs discussing, talk about it much later: IME, nothing constructive is ever discussed in the immediate aftermath of an argument or fight - adrenaline and testosterone mean no-one can think straight for a while. If I think they need to talk about something, or I need to say anything about their behaviour, I'll do it hours later, or even the next day.
It seems to work reasonably well. My boys dislike each other fairly intensely - my youngest says he hates the eldest - and they have very different 'attack styles (my eldest is more likely to be physical and my youngest is more likely to be verbally nasty or cruel) - but they haven't 'totally lost it' with each other ever, and conflicts where someone gets even slightly hurt (as opposed to angry) are very rare - maybe 3 times a year. I reckon we get to 'stage 4' maybe once a month. They wind each other up a lot, but it hardly ever gets unmanageable.
I am less good at handling conflict/aggression when it is directed at me tho' - or I used to be - but I have (sadly) had quite a bit of 'practice' with DS1 and learned a lot. And I have found it much easier since I introduced the 'no violence' rule...
Sorry - I've made a couple of long posts now! blush I guess it must be useful for me to think it all through like this!
FredWorms Sun 27-Jan-13 23:13:59
Blimey, the riding thing got people going didn't it? It's not regular and it's free, a relative has a horse and it was a pre-arranged thing. I encouraged DS to come along because he spent much of the day before alone at home messing on his computer and I thought fresh air might do him good. I'm certainly not bending over backwards to appease her.
The thing is, as a few perceptive readers have noticed, the sanctions aren't working. "Coming down like a ton of bricks" doesn't work. I removed her phone last night, she's not getting it back until she's been civil to him for 3 days. She loves her phone. It's her first, a Christmas present. She is v angry and has been nasty to him several times today. It's not working.
I've ordered the book Startail, thankyou.
I've also tried praising the good stuff, spending time with her etc. I'm stumped, tbh.
Cervixfiddler, you are my friend grin
FredWorms Sun 27-Jan-13 23:25:12
I should perhaps say a bit about DS. He's articulate, charismatic, kind, much loved by his teachers and is a total star. He is a big character, verbose; a hard act to follow I should imagine.
Startail, I have thought for some time that DD can't stand the fact that he's older than her, knows more than her, reaches milestones first etc. She goes wild if he tries to offer advice to her about anything. She has put herself in positions where she messes up at school rather than accept his advice about which classroom to go to or whatever.
Startail Sun 27-Jan-13 23:48:54
DD2 doesn't like being the youngest at all.
Despite the fact that she reads, spells and makes friends far more easily than her dyslexic big sister (who is three years older), she still hates it.
There are several threads running at the moment about DDs and DDs of 11. Seems to be a very frustrating in between age.
I was a horrible Y5/Y6 very disobedient and cheeky.
I think DCs that age want more freedom than they can handle, but are still very insecure and want to hold on to being little kids too.
My two are totally different and surprisingly don't fight.
Partly because DD1 is very tolerant of DD2's control freak nature and let's her have her own way. Partly because DD2 knows any cocky school work or friendship snide comments get her sent instantly to her room.
They have too, DD1 is only tolerant up to a point. Then DD2 is likely to get thumped. DD1 is not little, never has been.
Also we live in the middle of no where if you want company you need to get along.
I have the book from the linty and the chapter reminded me of a year 5 boy in a class I helped in.
Teacher wanted to talk to his mum because he was being a grade A pain. He said to me he didn't care he'd already had all his privileges removed and he couldn't see what else she could do. He really didn't care.
He was 10 and he had a brain, but he just accepted that he'd always be being punished and in trouble.sad
Startail Sun 27-Jan-13 23:50:12
Library not linty
steppemum Mon 28-Jan-13 00:12:19
my 2 oldest are like this, but much younger. my older ds is constantly relentlessly horrible to his younger sister. Compounded by the fatc that he is nice to and very sweet to dd2 who is the youngest.
I think it is insecurity underlying it. He thinks we love her more than him. She is calm and co-operative and 'good' and he is emotional, reactive and kicks against everything.
We try several tactics of giving him time, which makes him calmer.
We also have a zero tolerance to meanness. One mantra I have is that everyone in our house has the right to be there and the right to be respected in their own home.
He has ot leave the room/go to his room if he continues wiht his unkind comments.
It doesn't really hit the underlying stuff though. I wish I could help more, as I see ours going on like this into the future.
one thought. My brothers were consistently horrible to me until my parents went to work overseas and we all went to boarding school (aged 9, 11, and 13) in the first holday together the teasing had just stopped. Space and disctance and their own lives away from me did something
I think Flow should write a book. I'd buy it. smile
Just a thought re sibling rivalry - my brother was 18 months older than me and seemed to always do everything first, know more than me, etc. (Don't remember behaving like OP's DD, mind you....) Anyway, we ended up going to different secondary schools (boys' grammar and girls' grammar) and I was quite pleased about this. For me it cut down on the feeling of trailing in someone's footsteps, and it was nice to be able to make my own way.
Flow's book has been written (see above link) grin
My own problem with crisis intervention seems to be that things can flare so quickly and suddenly that I don't see it coming until the fists are flying. They are good at making faces at each other (silently) until sombody, usually DS2, loses their rad.
Fred, I am certain with my 2 that low self-esteem/self-worth has a lot to do with DS2's outbursts. DS1 is v academic, high flyer at school (they go to the same school, natch), popular, funny, much better at 'reading' social signals, emotionally far more mature than DS2 than their 12 month age gap would suggest.
So, DS2 feels rubbish at everything not because he IS rubbing, but because his older brother appears better at everything. In fact, DS2 is doing just fine in most things, and is better at some other things than dS1 ie sport. He just does not value it the same.
Today they were fighting over who brushed their teeth better, for goodness sake hmm!
I have been trying hard to get DS2 involved in some activity, any activity, that DS1 does not do, but he point-blank refuses to go to rugby/cubs/art calss. For I care, I'd take him ballet dancing, just get him a taster of something that might turn out to be his 'thing'.
Sorry, to offload here. I clearly have nothing particularly helpful to say, other than offer sympathy. I saw his counsellor today who felt that things had improved before Christmas (they had) and was going to close his case, but I asked her to meet with him again. He is so much happier when he has been to see her. From what I can tell, she does nothing radically different than what I am trying at home (getting him to look on his good points/strength, getting him to set goals etc) but it seems to much more effective coming from somebody who is not-mummy IYKWIM.
So maybe that is my genius helpful input on your thread, fred: consider getting outside help inivolved?
He is not rubbing FFS, rubbish <proofread failure>
greencolorpack Mon 28-Jan-13 13:20:08
My ds and dd are getting into winding each other up on a regular basis, it's getting annoying. What I say to them is "imagine you are a grown up and you phone your sister/ brother and they screen their calls because you were such a horrendous bully and scumbag to them when you were this age.". At the moment this is a sobering thought to them. I answer calls to my sister cos we get on well but often screen calls from my parents cos they are a mind trip. So it's not like I'm talking about a scenario from fiction.
Fredworms, how about a family meeting where you get the children to reflect on the things they have said to each other and discuss how those things made them feel. Then get your dd to write down "when I did this it made my brother feel x. I would not like to feel x, so I will try not to do it again.". The act of writing essays is long winded and boring and forces them to think about their behaviour.
FredWorms Mon 28-Jan-13 13:31:18
flow, please don't apologise for long posts, it's all useful smile
chocoluvva Mon 28-Jan-13 13:45:31
My DD used to wind up her younger bro something chronic and he'd react violently. DH and I would tell him off, but not really impose any major sanctions. I really sympathise OP, it's so wearing. If DD complained that he'd been rough with her we would acknowledge that he shouldn't have behaved like that, but also remind her that she knew he was likely to lash out if she wound him up, so it was foolish of her to do so.
It's hard to know in your case whether talking to your DD at length will yield any insights into why she's so mean to her brother. It might or it might not.
It could result in her being even more mean to him if her behaviour is motivated partly or wholly by a need for attention (even though the attention she gets from this behaviour won't be positive) or it might be really helpful.
For just now, I'd be hopeful that after finally seeing the "natural consequences" of her behaviour she begins to grow out of this.
Is your DD at secondary school yet? Once my two were both at secondary school they became more 'equal' again and had more in common.
I hope things either resolve spontaneously for you or some of the suggestions here work. I'm sure things will improve. smile
getoffthecoffeetable Mon 28-Jan-13 14:14:36
She's definitely not being bullied at school is she? Just checking that your DD isn't mirroring what might be happening elsewhere.
For what it's worth, my two brothers were like this together but now get along fine now they're both grown up and have left home. Doesn't help you with the situation now though I suppose.
I have no useful advice. Just wanted to wish you luck.
flow4 Mon 28-Jan-13 17:21:16
You mean someone's beaten me to it, Pacific? Dammit, I'd just started planning my literary career with scwirrels as my agent ! grin
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But it was not immediately clear whether his concession would satisfy an increasingly fierce opposition.
The Islamist leader on Saturday annulled a controversial decree issued last month that put his decisions beyond judicial review - a move denounced as a dictatorial "power grab" by the opposition, but one Morsi had defended as necessary to protect reforms.
The president was legally bound under the constitution to maintain that date and had no choice, he explained.
However, Awa added that if the draft constitution was rejected, a new one would be drawn up by officials elected by the people, rather than ones chosen by parliament as for the current text.
It urged a solution based on "democratic rules".
On Saturday, there were none of the large-scale demonstrations that had taken place on previous nights.
Ahmad Abdallah, there with his wife and two children, said he could no longer accept Morsi and nothing less than the disappearance of the Muslim Brotherhood backing the president would please him.
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in thread There's a level in Hell reserved for ________
... people who insist that you need to refactor existing, working and less-than-completely-ugly code instead of writing those important missing bits, just because, well, you have to refactor your code after all, don't you? it's just hip and shows how great a programmer you are!
Done properly, supported with unit tests, as part of a disciplined schedule of writing simple, test-driven code, it's only the best way I know of to produce code that can be changed as easily as possible in the future.
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Amen. I always think about it as pre-emptive maintainance.
Of course, if you only have one day to implement feature X you implement feature X rather than refactor existing code.
However, the fact that you only have one day indicates larger project scheduling problems - exactly the sort of problems that unit tests, test-driven code and continual refactoring can help with.
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"Done properly" is the key point here. ;) If that's the case, I do agree with you, too, but there are also people who simply rewrite their existing code just for the sake of doing so, transforming it from one state to another one that's different but not really more easily maintainable, easier to understand or showing any other quality that would justify the time they invested in doing it. And there are also bosses with at least somewhat pointy hair that use micromanagement to make *you* do that, even if they are otherwise quite reasonable to deal with. :)
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"I don't think there's any appetite in New Hampshire to use police powers to enforce a marriage," O'Flaherty told members of the Senate Judiciary Committee during a public hearing March 25.
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The New Hampshire Supreme Court in 2003 ruled in a split decision that adultery involving two people of the same sex could not be grounds for divorce because case law dating back to the early 1800s defines adultery as "intercourse from which spurious issue may arise" — meaning a child born of the illicit affair.
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Texan folk singer Daniel Johnston is known as much for his self-drawn album sleeves as he is for his idiosyncratic music. Over a 30-year career he has earned a cult following, with endorsements from Kurt Cobain Matt Groening and David Bowie.
His outsider status might suggest that an iPad app would not be the most natural platform for him to release an album on, but for his new record Space Ducks, Johnston has done just that. (Previously he released an iPhone app despite having never owned a mobile phone himself.)
Other artists have created apps for fans to explore their music digitally: you can interact with the themes of Björk's Biophilia or visit Kraftwerk's studio in Kling Klang Machine. But Johnston is taking things a step further by making his a game you have to complete in order to listen to the album.
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A standard CD-R will hold 703MB of data -- about 737m characters -- so two discs will hold 1.474bn. That would only be 59 characters per record. However, it seems there are only 7.25m records, each record being a family with one or more children. That would provide 203 characters of data per family, which is enough to include names and dates of birth, an address and bank details.
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Blair: "There's no point covering them with your arms S, I already know they're bigger than mine."
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S- So, who's heart are you going to concur and then turn into pieces next? If is not Chuck's again, do you mind if I go out with him just for a little while? Just like you, I'm trying to make a perfect record on dating every man in Gossip Girl...
B- Of course, just make sure to return him when i'm finished with the lonely boy...
Serena: So who do you think you are running around leaving scars, collecting a jar of hearts, tearing life apart.... you are going to catch a cold from the ice inside your soul.. poor louis, chuck and dan... who do you think you are??
Blair: I got my moves like jagger and boys love em.... please don't judge..
Serena: Bitch....
Blair: What do you mean I look like Snow White?!
B: If Katniss can choose Peeta over Gale, then I can choose Dan over Chuck.
S: What does that make Prince Louis?
B: Louis is my Hunger Games, and I must do everything in my power to stay alive until the end.
Blair: What do you mean I'm becoming the new you? Just because I have Dan and all the storylines're still relevant! I mean, ok, not as the oblivious best friend who leads on all the guys who love her because she can't make up her mind. That's kind of me now. But you have Lola! I don't have a Lola.
Blair: Serena WFT Chuck's school girl thing ended years ago!!!
Serena: .....
Blair: like WTF Serena?
Serena: ......
Blair: Serena????
B: "You dated him on and off again for 5 years, Serena!" S: "So, what's that got to do with anything?" B: "You could have at least trained him in the art of sex! I'd have a better chance getting off with a rubber duck and and cucumber!"
Blair: Yo, where's that money you own me, bitch?
S: so im on the pill, finally! but im finding it difficult to use it.
B: could you chase it down with some water?
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Ever since I installed Android 2.1 on my Eris, I have been scouring the internet for a car mount for it that isn't an ugly, bulky, universal mount. The Moto-Droid and iPhone both have their own unique mounts all over the place... so my question is, is there one for the HTC Eris?
If anybody knows of one and can link to where I can buy it that would be most appreciated.
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The Verizon universal vent mount works very nicely for me too - $15-$20.
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I was just there and a mount for my PT Cruiser is just $29.99 but look where they want me to put it:
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This is probably simple to explain/resolve but I need help with dual booting.
I have win7 installed. I just installed Ubuntu. Before the Ubuntu installation, I took the necessary steps. Such as create new partition, assign for storage space and also swap space. Once, I started installation everything went smoothly. However, after confirming "no" to import settings from win7 to Ubuntu (such as mozilla firefox settings etc. for users) I restarted the computer to complete the install.
Naturally, in a dual boot situation the PC displays which system to start (win7 or Ubuntu). I don't get this screen. It just boots directly to Ubuntu. I need to be able to choose either win7 or Ubuntu.
Any help is appreciated, thank you.
I know my win7 loader is in dev/sda1 and I think that I also updated the grub...PLEASE HELP
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You need to set timer in grub so when it loads you can choose which OS to boot. To do so follow this steps
1. Open Terminal
2. In the terminal enter sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
3. Locate the line GRUB_TIMEOUT and set the value 10 for example. So it will look like this GRUB_TIMEOUT="10"
4. In order to see the grub menu you have to comment the following line GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0. To comment a line you should add # at the begging. So it will look like this #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
5. Save the file and close it.
6. Then update the grub config by executing command sudo update-grub Now you should be able to see boot menu where is your Ubuntu and Windows listed.
In order to reinstall grub we are going to use tool called Boot-repair Actual quote from Ubuntu community wiki
To repair GRUB follow these steps:
1. boot your computer on a Ubuntu live-CD or live-USB.
2. choose "Try Ubuntu"
3. connect internet
4. open a new Terminal, then type:
5. Press Enter.
6. Then type:
7. Press Enter
Using Boot-Repair
Recommended repair
1. launch Boot-Repair from either : the Dash (the Ubuntu logo at the top-left of the screen) or by typing 'boot-repair' in a terminal
Hope this help to restore access to your systems.
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Nikki Kononov, I tried the things that you said. It still does not work. Here is what it looks like: # If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update – ed-2012 Oct 12 '12 at 19:15
Is there any other options? Thank you! – ed-2012 Oct 12 '12 at 19:19
you forgot to put quotes on GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 they needed! so it must look like GRUB_TIMEOUT="10" – Nikki Kononov Oct 12 '12 at 19:44
just put in the quotes...its still not working. I know I did the install correctly because Ubuntu is showing installed on only 68.00GB that I allocated for it...what do you think might be the problem?? I appreciate your help and effort! – ed-2012 Oct 12 '12 at 19:52
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How to randomly execute one command within specified list of command? Helpful for randomly choosing startup sound, wallpaper or executing commands.
In General, if I have commands for execution as follows then How do I get randomness:?
Then I want to execute randomly only one command from above possibilities when script is run!
How to do that?
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Practical example: askubuntu.com/a/257471/163331 – Parto Jul 7 at 5:53
@Parto I already added as answer before – Pandya Jul 7 at 5:57
I was not trying to answer, was just giving an example where it can be used. – Parto Jul 7 at 5:58
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The variable $RANDOM (actually a bash function) returns a random number from 0 to 32767 inclusive.
You would typically want to limit its range by dividing it by some number and take its remainder, eg.
# output a random number 0 to 3
echo $((RANDOM % 4))
In this simplistic example it'll be very slightly biased for any divisor that doesn't divide equally into 32768 (eg, anything that isn't a power of two), but in your scenario I don't think you'd be troubled by a slight bias.
To pick a random file, you'd name your files something like:
And then you can pick a random one with
# output a random file from file0.jpg to file3.jpg
echo "file$((RANDOM % 4)).jpg"
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You may want to post it as your own answer - it then could earn you reputation. – neon_overload Jul 7 at 5:43
helpful use of RANDOM, I accepted! – Pandya Jul 7 at 5:55
Note that RANDOM % N doesn't result in an equal distribution unless the number of possible values of RANDOM (32768) is divisible by N. To see this, imagine the range of RANDOM was instead 0-4 (5 possible values), and N is 2: there's three ways for $RANDOM % 2 to yield 0 (if $RANDOM yields 0, 2, 4) but two ways for it to yield 1 (1, 3). For an equal distribution you'd have to find the greatest multiple of N that's smaller than 32767 and ignore any random values that are larger than that. In the previous example that'd amount to ignoring 5, which is larger than 4. – Doval Jul 7 at 14:43
@Doval I said that in my answer, did you see it? – neon_overload Jul 8 at 2:05
@neon_overload My bad, I missed that bit. – Doval Jul 8 at 11:42
According to @neon_overload answer (using RANDOM),
I can put RANDOM in example script as follows (for 4 commands):
random_selection=$((RANDOM % 4))
case $random_selection in
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If you want randomness through an external site rather than one generated by your computer, you can use this script:
curl "http://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=$1&max=$2&col=1&base=10&format=plain&rnd=new"
Run as rand (MIN) (MAX) (assuming you save as /usr/bin/rand)
You might have to install curl first (sudo apt-get install curl) if it is not already installed.
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BUSES: Why cancel highly used route?
Letter by Kenneth D. Rose, Gig Harbor on June 22, 2011 at 12:51 pm | 4 Comments »
June 22, 2011 1:04 pm
One of Pierce Transit’s budget solutions to its fiscal crisis is to completely cancel the 601 Express bus service to Olympia (TNT, 6-20). That’s not only bad for the riders, it’s bad for other commuters using the Interstate 5 corridor during rush hours and it’s also not good for Pierce Transit.
Judging from how quickly the decision was made to cancel the route after the meeting, I’d say it was a waste of time for those riders who attended the meeting. The decision had already been made.
That’s too bad, because the 601 route has been enjoying 90 percent occupancy lately. On some days it has even been standing room only. Pierce Transit says its reduction plan focuses on maintaining ridership. How does completely eliminating a route maintains ridership?
If the agency were to again reduce the route to only one trip each way a day, it would still serve those riders, reduce the I-5 congestion through the Joint Base Lewis-McChord corridor and save those riders’ votes for the next time Pierce Transit decides to submit a sales tax ballot measure. Pierce Transit still just doesn’t get it.
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Hello Hounds!
Pretty much any cuisine works, but sadly not Asian.
many thanks!
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1. Anita - I'm in the same boat. I'm looking for a place for about 40 for a mid-August wedding. One place we're mulling is the backyard of Loulou's in Fort Greene BUT it seats only 30 - 35. I'll be watching your post.
1. What kind of budget are you working with and in what area? I recently got married in Brooklyn, so talked to a few places around Park Slope for rehearsal dinner/wedding dinner spots.
If you're looking for upscale, we had the dinner after our wedding for 25 at Tempo in Park Slope. They have two separate dining rooms, so I'm sure they would be able to accommodate a party your size and allow it to be private. Their dinner package included passed hors d'oerves (for the mingling time), family style apps, entrees, and three small desserts for each person. The choices for food included most of their menu.
I had relatives in from the south and midwest, and they loved the food. The service was perfect, and they were accommodating for the young child we had with us. We were extremely pleased with the whole evening there, and would highly recommend them as a place to take a big group.
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Tempo is a good idea. It's a great idea - I love the food in that spot!
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It is in the running....
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cool. we made a dinner rez for this Friday to check it out. I spent my birthday there last year - really delicious. Let me know how it goes.
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Element C
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With atomic number 14
With neutron number 14
Nuclides that have the same neutron number but a different proton number are called isotones. This word was formed by replacing the p in isotope with n for neutron. Nuclides that have the same mass number are called isobars. Nuclides that have the same neutron excess are called isodiaphers.[1]
Neutron number is primarily of interest for nuclear properties. For example, actinides with odd neutron number are usually fissile (fissionable with slow neutrons) while actinides with even neutron number are usually not fissile (but are fissionable with fast neutrons).
Only 57 stable nuclides have an odd neutron number, compared to 200 with an even neutron number. No odd-neutron-number isotope is the most naturally abundant isotope in its element, except for beryllium-9 which is the only stable beryllium isotope, nitrogen-14, and platinum-195.
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Ska jazz is a music genre derived by fusing the melodic content of jazz with the rhythmic and harmonic content of early Jamaican Music introduced by the "Fathers of Ska" in the late 1950s. The ska-jazz movement that began in New York during the 1990s by pioneering avant-garde jazz musicians that pushed the boundaries of reggae music, combining traditions with modern tendencies, using the reggae beat along with high improvisation and jazz harmonies, primarily by horns and percussion.
The ancient origin of jazz is West African music, although the instruments used; guitar, bass, saxophone, trombone, drums, clarinet and piano, all come from the European world. It predates rocksteady and was the harbinger of Jamaican reggae and English Two-tone movement. Ska is characterized by the staccato rhythm played on the guitar and its history can be classified into three periods— Jamaican reggae, also known as First Wave, the English Two-Tone era, commonly called Second Wave, the punk-infused Third Wave.
The term Ska-Jazz was coined by Rock Steady Freddie of the New York Ska-Jazz Ensemble in 1994.Ska jazz is sometimes considered a subgenre of third wave ska, but early artists such as Tommy McCook considered themselves jazz musicians foremost. Jazz improvisation is commonly used. Ska jazz bands usually contain one or two electric guitars, a bass guitar, keyboards, a drum kit and a horn section (composed of any combination of the following: trumpet, trombone, alto saxophone, tenor saxophone, and baritone saxophone). Occasionally there may be one or more vocalists, but the genre is primarily focused on instrumental tunes. The brass instruments usually carry the melody, and there are many improvised solos. The rhythm section places accents on the off beats, thus giving the music a different feel than straight jazz.
Early Jamaiccan Jazzmen[edit]
Notable artists[edit]
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Could someone explain the difference between 'the mind' and 'mental qualities' as described under 'Right Mindfulness'?
It's a very lengthy and in-depth topic, but a very basic distinction to make is that "the mind" is the perceiving/conceiving entity, while "mental qualities" are the perceptions/conceptions.
For instance, see the following site: There, it defines the mind "as a non-physical phenomenon which perceives, thinks, recognises, experiences and reacts to the environment". Later, it points out the so-called "51 Mental Factors", which include such things as intention, concentration, regret, ignorance, etc. These latter are, more or less, what is referred to in the phrase "mental qualities".
Hope this has been of some help. —Saposcat 11:24, 31 October 2005 (GMT +02:00)
Yes, that's wonderful.
Why quote most of the article from a text that is difficult to understand? I couldn't understand any of the points because of the unclear language. Why not explain the points? --MateoP 23:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Strongly agreed. While it is a much longer article, that of the Judeo-Christian Ten Commandments does a better job of describing each item on its "list". My knowledge of the Eightfold Path is somewhat elementary, but I'm sure that there's someone out there that can put a CONCISE description of each item after its corresponding verse from the "Analysis of the Path" 20:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC) JD79 01:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC) (ex post facto signing - this still needs work, though!)
Hope my recent revisions (up to "Right mindfulness" and "Right concentration", whose distinctions are a goddamned doozy to explain in English) have cleared things up ever so little. —Saposcat 17:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Equivelants in Other Religions?[edit]
I'm researching the Eight Fold path, I am wondering what some equivelancies in other religions would be? I don't feel like the 10 commandments are all that analagous to the 8 fold path, I have no idea about Muslim or Jewish equivalncies are, can anyone share some insight? It would probably be a nice thing to add to the page LilDice 19:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
AFAIK, There are no such equivalents. - Nearfar 01:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Interesting, that's what I figured :) LilDice 23:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I think there's a certain degree of guilt felt among many in the abrahamic religions today, maybe as a realization that the behaviours of extremists in the present and the mainstream in the past were (and are) pretty horrible. The tendency to look to other religions for equivalents serves a dual purpose: one, it justifies the thing being seen in multiple religions as something that, if not inherently true, must be inherently human; and two, it shows that the religion being compared to other religions can't be all that bad, and that there are redeemable qualities to it, namely, those qualities which resonate with other religions. It's also a tool used by extremists looking for converts. Early christians used to compare their faith to those of their neighbors, sometimes taking the gods of their neighbors religion and claiming that a saint equivalent to that god existed in christianity. Saints are clearly servants of the god, so therefore their neighbor's religion was reduced to the misplaced worship of one of the christian god's servants.
Buddhism eludes this mess, though, because it never focused on worshiping anyone. The christians tried to create a saint that had the qualities of Siddhartha, but they never presented much of a threat to Buddhism itself, since the central focus of Buddhism was never the worship of Siddhartha Guatama, but upon the use of the techniques he described to liberate the mind of the individual. It is impossible to compare the abrahamic religions to Buddhism, simply because they serve two altogether different purposes. One focuses inward (Buddhism's focus on the liberation of the mind), the other outward (the abrahamic religions' focus on staying on good terms with their god).
If you must compare Buddhism to anything, try the other religions from the region it sprang from. Jainism is a good one to use for comparison, as it has the same ultimate goal, but differs vastly from Buddhism in terms of what is seen as the way to get to that goal. Hinduism is also a good one to use, since that is what Buddhism sprang from. Also, consider the religions of China, such as Confucianism and Taoism. Wandering Star 01:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
'suffering' or 'stress'?[edit]
re: User:Rentwa's edit
Magga-vibhanga sutta says otherwise. - Nearfar 16:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Do you have any points to make? Is the word you want represented in English as 'stress' the same word that is normally translated as 'suffering'? If so then presumably we should exchange every instance of the word 'suffering' in Buddhist articles to 'stress'.
As I said to the editor who originally made the change, I'm aware that various Buddhist scholars have suggested alternatives for 'suffering'. The current orthodox word in English is 'suffering'. Wikipedia represents orthodox views. It is not a place for debate on matters of orthodoxy.
The translation you cite is the work of an individual translator who chose the word 'stress' in this instance. Unless you can provide compelling evidence that original source meant 'stress' and not 'suffering' it should remain 'suffering'. Rentwa 17:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
What if we used Thanissaro's original with the word "stress"—which I, too, don't like as a translation, to be honest—but pointed out clearly in the preceding paragraph that he is using "stress" to mean "suffering" / "dukkha" (in a similar way to that with which I had originally pointed out he was using "view" instead of "understanding")? Apart from a few poor choices of words, Thanissaro's translation is otherwise largely good, I think, and worth using. Any thoughts on this proposal? —Saposcat 07:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. The meaning is 'suffering', regardless of what the translation is. These matters are of a somewhat academic nature, and the typical reader is looking for a simple explanation, not an insight into the history of translation (regardless of how interesting we may find it). As per my talk page, I suggest that if we cannot find a source with 'dukkha' translated as 'suffering' then we include a looser translation in the body of the text and avoid mention of Thanissaro, or remove the text entirely. Rentwa 07:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I've changed it back to the original version (plus a prefatory explanation about terminology used); now let me explain why.
For one thing, the quote is best as a block quote because it's a long one; that's the orthographical side of things.
More importantly, even though I, too, don't much like the word "stress" to translate dukkha, Thanissaro Bhikkhu perfectly fits the criteria for a reliable source, and so—until a different translation is found, or another quote that could explain as well as the one from the Magga-vibhanga sutta—there's no solid reason to remove it. Using brackets to replace "stress" with "suffering" simply makes the text ugly and severely impedes readability, so that's not a very good option, really.
Let's just keep that part the way it is until something better can be found. I have explained in the article that Thanissaro translates dukkha as "stress" rather than "suffering", so the reader knows what is being referred to. Let's avoid an edit war that leads to versions of the article that are less clear than the one currently in place, and instead work on finding a more à propos translation and improving the rest of the article. Cheers. —Saposcat 05:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
The "stress"/"suffering" translation dispute has been taken care of with reference to Rewata Dhamma's translation of the passage in question. —Saposcat 09:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Some points[edit]
1. 'Mind' and 'mindfulness' need to be distinguished explicitly and clearly in the article, possibly with the help of some basic commentary we can quote. Particularly confusing is the fact that 'mindfulness' has been used in the context of concentration (meditation) (not in this article as far as I can tell, but in the first section of mindfulness) and in the context of mindfulness (memory) (this article). This doesn't even deal with the use of mind in the sense of Buddha mind (original mind) and its use as in deluded mind.
2. Terminology in general seems to be causing difficulties.
3. The cognitive psychology may be useful to some readers in making sense of what is a difficult doctrine, but seems to be causing unecessary conflict. There is a strong case to be made for a section on 'Buddhism and/in Cognitive Psych.' or vice versa (if it doesn't exist already), since psychology is something which is familiar to english speakers and westerners generally.
4. Generally the article seems to be showing the scars of various edit skirmishes (the last started by me :( ).
Rentwa 11:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
About those points ...
1. There is, in this article, a certain amount of explanation as regards the use of the term "mind" in the context of "mindfulness". The notion of mindfulness as "memory" is not really discussed in this article, but rather, "memory" is just given as an alternative translation of the Pāli term sati. The notions of original mind and deluded mind are, admittedly, not discussed; that, however, is simply because the article still needs quite a bit of fleshing-out.
2. Terminology may indeed be a problem; that's why the article needs, as just pointed out, some fleshing-out and explication.
3. The cognitive psychology bit is not causing unnecessary conflict. It did for a bit, when it was first put into the article in a position prior to explanation of the Eightfold Path (which was nonsense), but since then it has stabilized and no one argues about it anymore. I think that it's actually quite a useful and interesting addition to the article. But I think the title should stay as is, because it's specifically discussing the Eightfold Path (and not all of Buddhism, which topic would require its own separate article along the lines of Buddhism and science) in relation to cognitive psychology.
4. Actually, the faultlines in the article are not the result of edit wars (as, since I more or less rewrote the article from scratch, there have been only two of those—one yours, and the other the cognitive psychology one), but rather the result of the article's not really being "finished" and fully explicated yet.
Cheers. —Saposcat 11:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
My position is as follows:
1. Your general thrust that 'everything is OK' is wrong - the article's a mess as detailed above.
2. The article needs to be split into smaller seperate articles i) to clean it up ii) to make it simpler for a general readership and iii) to allow controversial teachings / translations / terminology to be dealt with in their proper context.
3. You are either POV pushing wrt Thanissaro or have been unduly influenced by his writings - these views are unorthodox and controversial and do not belong here. I quote from Thanissaro:
Many Westerners, when new to Buddhism, are struck by the uncanny familiarity of what seem to be its central concepts: interconnectedness, wholeness, ego-transcendence. But what they may not realize is that the concepts sound familiar because they are familiar. To a large extent, they come not from the Buddha’s teachings but from the dharma gate of Western psychology, through which the Buddha’s words have been filtered.
We don't need this filter here.
I'm not going to waste any more time arguing - I'm willing to work with you if you're willing to take my points on board, otherwise the article will have to go to arbitration. Rentwa 09:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, you seem to have misunderstood a bit of what I said. I don't think that "everything is OK" with the article per se; however, like most Wikipedia articles, it is still in the process of being built, and this still-under-construction status ought to be taken into account in identifying where the article's problems lie (and if you gave more detail on exactly what you consider those problems to be, preferably quoting the article itself if possible, that would help greatly towards the article's eventual improvement).
When you say that "[t]he article needs to be split into smaller seperate [sic] articles", do you mean actual articles, or do you mean more sections of this article? I would probably agree with the latter, but I think that, if you mean actual separate articles, it would be good for us all to have some general idea of what sort of articles those might be.
As for Thanissaro, I am neither POV-pushing nor have I been unduly influenced (since I've read fairly little by the man). In fact, I have repeatedly stated that I disagree with his translation of dukkha; however, until a preferable translation of the text is found—because I believe the Magga-vibhanga sutta is a very useful addition to the article, as you have also stated that you believe it to be—it is better to keep it, I think. There is, please note, a clear proviso before the quotation about the word "stress" not being a standard translation.
The primary reasoning behind leaving Thanissaro's translation (for the time being, at least) is that, a) we currently have no other translation to go with; and b) he fits the criteria for Wikipedia:Reliable sources, however much you and I both may disagree with his translation.
I have taken your points on board as far as is reasonable within Wikipedia guidelines (the only real disagreement is Thanissaro's translation); I just think that some patience is required in order to deal with the issues that you rightly raise. Good Wikipedia articles, after all, take time to develop, and that is basically what is happening with this article. Cheers. —Saposcat 11:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
If you want to keep 'stress' with the note that it's normally translated otherwise that's ok as a temporary solution. You didn't give any justification, btw, that the translation with 'dukkha' was via Thanissaro, but I may have missed something obvious. For the sake of general readers, clarity and simplicity is vital. I counted at least three references to Thanissaro - given the thousands of comentators over the years and hundreds of existing commentaries that's a little disproportionate.
Further to that, these are comments on the talk page, not by general readers, but by editors, whom we may assume are generally better educated than readers:
If editors are having these difficulties, what are general readers making of the piece? I'm not an advocate of dumbing down, but it's pointless trying to provide so much detail for novices.
I'd like to see a shorter piece, with an introduction mentioning the Four Noble Truths and if necessary a note on 'conditioning ones thoughts' (but from a reliable orthodox source and not overtly psychological) and simple / practical explanations, eg right speech - do not speak ill of others.
Each section could then contain a link to 'Commentary...' - whether these follow or are in seperate articles (my preference, but perhaps too small for wikipedia policy) or a seperate article on commentary is debateable. It depends on the shape of the article as a whole probably. This would be in line with the doctrine of tactfulness, incidentally.
The next problem is cognitive psychology. By all means have a 'see also' to 'cog. psy. and B' or vice versa, but the current subsection is unacceptable. Thanissaro's approach is controversial and does not justify its inclusion. I'll even help research the 'cog psy and B.' if that will appease you. Or a larger 'B and science', whatever.
Finally, an article on translation and terms is needed, starting with original Pali and Sanskrit and discussing meaning, practical application and the various translations into English (and possibly notes on the trends in translation).
So that's:
1 shorter and simpler main section
2 detailed explanations given full and proper treatment (at the end of introductory text or seperate article(s))
3 cognitive psychology moved to a seperate article
4 comprehensive notes on terms etc. in a seperate article
I know you've spent a lot of time on this, but it's trying to be all things to all men and needs an overhaul. Rentwa 13:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I never wanted the note about the more standard translation to be anything but a temporary solution, until another translation—or another à propos text—is found and incorporated.
As for the translation that uses dukkha, if you read to the bottom of the page, there you'll see the following: "From Chanting Discourses and Samyutta Nikaya XLV.8 at the Access to Insight web site". If you follow the link to Samyutta Nikaya XLV.8, you'll see the Thanissaro text under dispute.
There are actually four references to Thanissaro, but they are all only translations (which can, admittedly, become a kind of commentary in itself) of the Magga-vibhanga sutta. While we would doubtlessly do well to find a translation that doesn't use "stress", I think the Magga-vibhanga sutta is an invaluable first reference insofar as it is (at least purported to be) the Buddha's words, and is the only in-depth, step-by-step explanation of the Eightfold Path that I know of in the Tipitaka (though I admit I haven't read the entire thing; it's quite massive, and often quite difficult).
You say that "it's pointless trying to provide so much detail for novices" ... I disagree. The detail is (or rather, can be) a very good thing; the important thing, as you rightly point out, is to try and make it clear to someone who couldn't tell the Buddha from a hole in the ground. While it would perhaps be well to sum up Right Speech as "do not speak ill of others", at the same time, I don't think that the Magga-vibhanga sutta's "Abstaining from lying, abstaining from divisive speech, abstaining from abusive speech, abstaining from idle chatter" is at all difficult to understand, and moreover it clarifies the different types of "ill speech" that should be avoided.
As for cognitive psychology, I admit it does seem a bit out of place (though it's quite interesting). A separate article (like Buddhism and psychology or something) would probably be a valuable addition, and the best way to go about the task. (Incidentally, I know nothing about the subject for the nonce, so I don't know if I could contribute much). By the way, in regards to the cognitive psychology section, you say, "Thanissaro's approach is controversial and does not justify its inclusion" ... but Thanissaro has nothing whatsoever to do with the section. The paper referenced is Gay Watson's.
Finally, I think that terminology could well be built up into separate articles (such as the already-existent article on Mindfulness), but this, of course, would take time.
I hope I've managed to address all the points you raised. If not, let me know, and I'll tackle the untackled ones. Cheers. —Saposcat 05:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Yep, looks about right, you're right on the commentary for right speech, too I think. I'll get started on a seperate article on 'B and psy'. Like you I have RL infringing on WP at the moment, so it may be a week or two before I have time to begin. I could have read the section on right speech before wading in with both feet, too 8) . Rentwa 13:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
An article on 'B and psy' would be cool. +1. - Nearfar 07:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Someone who followed the Noble Eightfold Path link, as I did, would find a mostly not-too-bad article about the subject, with a jarring and bizarre snippet at the end about cognitive psychology, as if that had anything to do with it. Who is Gay Watson and why on Earth should we care what he/she/it thinks about the intersection of Buddhism and cognitive psychology? The dozen lines from the Dhammapada aren't clearly part of some comment by Watson and aren't specific to the Noble Eightfold Path, it just looks like random-quoting-to-seem-authoritative. There's no link to Gay Watson -- because there's no Wiki page or author's praise-site or anything to link to. There is also no link to Wikipedia's cognitive psychology page, which of course does not mention Buddhism at all, but which does have a fairly extensive list of "influential cognitive psychologists" that Gay Watson is not on. There is also no link to the Wikipedia page on Buddhism, which not only does not mention Gay Watson, but also does not mention cognitive psychology, not surprisingly, since they are not related. Discussion about this oddity of the Noble Eightfold Path wikipage on the Talk:Noble_Eightfold_Path page has yet to result in removal of the offending blurb about what some obscure psychotherapist/author (it turns out she's female) thinks of the usefulness of Buddhist ideas in cognitive psychology.
I love Wikipedia, so I mean this in the nicest way possible, but it's a timesink I don't want to get sucked into. I'm sure as heck not an appropriate person to be officiating about Buddhism, but c'mon, this is common sense. *Please* delete that section. (talk)Leamur —Preceding undated comment added 22:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC).
Gender Neutrality[edit]
I reckon this article could do with some rewording to flow better using more sexually neutral language. Ie change all those (he/she)'s to they's and their's or other gender-neutral pronouns. - 08:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi -
Thank you for identifying your changes as a matter of discussion here. I applaud your seeking consensus in this manner.
While I'm very sympathetic to the changes you desire, I have a few concerns about your changing them as you did. FWIW, I'd like to suggest that it might be best to revert back to the prior version (to maintain the article's coherence and intelligibility) and then let's have a discussion that could have a wide-ranging impact on WP's Buddhism articles (and other WP articles containing historical texts).
My concerns and basis for requesting that you revert your current changes is primarily that, in the quoted passage, the Buddha was directly addressing males (bhikkhaves, I suspect) and thus my personal preference would be to not change the words historically attributed to the Buddha. I realize that we all want to see the Buddha's vision presented in a universal way, to be meaningful to all. But there are other ways to go about it than to change his attributed words. For instance, a WP editor's text that surrounds the historical quote should be gender-neutral and promote gender equality. Also, commentaries from contemporary Dharma talks could model the inferred application of the Buddha's words to a gender-neutral audience.
A second matter is that the passage you changed is a direct quote from Thanissaro (1996). Thus, in the least, square brackets should be used when changing words.
Lastly, if I may also suggest, the use of "one" and "ones" might (??) be preferable to a singular "they" and "their" since the singular "they" and "their" is somewhat out-of-fashion (I've been told) although, admittedly, I go back and forth on this myself.
Just some thoughts. Welcome to WikiBuddhism! (And, if I may suggest, it might be helpful to others if you chose a Wikiname and let us know something of your experience, knowledge and interests. Thanks!) - LarryR 17:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the punchline of the final section; As such, Buddhism can essentially be seen as mind cultivation and rehabilitation, is superfluous. I also think it is wrong.
Right vs. wrong; sequence[edit]
I'd like to introduce the Avijja Sutta (SN 45.1 or 44.1 [depending on which edition of the Pali Canon you're using] — the first discourse of the Magga-samyutta) into this article. Thanissaro (1997)'s translation can be found at and a Pali version (SLTP, n.d., the very first sutta [1.1.1]) is at The core of this sutta (per Thanissaro's translation) is:
I think this discourse is important for two reasons:
1. Samma vs. miccha: It juxtaposes the word "right" (samma) with the word "wrong" (miccha) illustrating how, at least in the Pali canon, there is a clear indication of "right" (or "proper" or "perfect," etc.) and "wrong" (or "contrary," etc.) and that, for instance, there are such things as "wrong mindfulness" and "wrong concentration." (A similar clear comparison between samma and miccha can be found in SN 45.21-26 [Bodhi, 2000, pp. 1535-37], as well as AN 10.104.)
2. Serial causation: It indicates that, at least for this discourse (as well as, e.g., AN 10.103), there is a serial connection between the factors: from right view arises right intent (or resolve, etc.) from which arises right speech, etc. I know many important contemporary interpreters (e.g., as indicated in the article, Rahula, and I seem to recall as well Lama Surya Das, Jack Kornfield and maybe even Joseph Goldstein) seem to reject SN 45.1's apparent notion of serial causality and I deeply respect these contemporary teachers' wisdom and dispensations; but, I also think it would be a service to WP readers to also reflect what the Pali canon itself states.
My inclination is to include this material in one of two ways:
1. Endnotes: Frankly, this is the easier solution and, frankly, the less likely to cause conflict with other editors.
2. New sections: For instance, move the existing intro paragraph starting, "Though the path is numbered one through eight..." to a new subsection entitled something like "Factor interdependency,'" then add the two above identified excerpted SN 45.1 paragraphs beside their Pali counterparts followed by the current statement by Rahula (perhaps supplemented by similar statements by Surya Das and Kornfield).
Might anyone else support or have concerns about these or alternate ways of introducing SN 45.1 into this article? Thanks for any feedback, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 20:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Upon further thought, I realized that there is no dissonance between the aforementioned canonical discourse's assertion that there is a linear causal sequence between path factors and contemporary writers/teachers advocacy that the path factors be (or can be) developed simultaneously. Simply because there is a linear relationship between factors does not mean that they have to be developed serially. (For me, an intuitive analogy is that a baseball player does not have to be a proficient hitter before practicing running the bases; otherwise, when one gets their first hit, they might not make it to first base :-) .)
At this time, after I've explored this topic a wee more in my own reading of the suttas, if no one objects then I'll likely do the following:
• Wrong eightfold path: if I can't find any specifics beyond what's mentioned above, I'll likely stick this in a foot note; otherwise, if there is some further explanation about such (beyond what is already mentioned in the individual sections on samma factors), I might stick this in a subsection.
• Serial arising: I'll likely stick this in a new subsection with the caveat (mentioned above) that serial causation does not necessarily suggest serial development (although there is the traditional view I've heard frequently mentioned that in Asian countries householders will first develop virtue before proceding to mental development....) Also, if it doesn't blatantly flaunt WP standards, I may toss in a sentence on how intuitively there can be a feedback mechanism where, for instance, right mindfulness can enhance right speech, etc.
It'll probably still be a week or so before I pursue this further. As always, any feedback is welcomed. Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 16:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
FWIW, I was reminded today during talks by Metta Foundation's Gregory Kramer and Gary Steinberg about the Maha-cattarisaka Sutta's (MN 117) (Thanissaro, 1997) identifying the manner in which "right view, right effort, & right mindfulness ... run & circle" the other path factors. This would thus provided at least one canonical basis for what I above simplistically referred to as a "feedback mechanism" involving mindfulness. (Perhaps as well someone will come across a sutta identifying, e.g., how right livelihood supports right speech and right action, etc.?) Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 04:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Half a year later and no one's objected so I simply added a few lines indicating the above in the sections on "right view" and "right concentration." Cheers, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 20:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Proposed External Link Eightfold-L Yahoo Group[edit]
Eightfold-L Yahoo Group with over 1,000 researched posts on the Buddha’s Noble Eightfold Path Dhammapal 05:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Right effort[edit]
I believe that the words good and evil in the simple English section should be changed to wholesome and unwholesome. After a bit of research I see it's translated either way, both in some. My problem is with the word evil since it has a much larger connotation in the west than simply being unwholesome. To illustrate my point, most people believe alcoholism to be unwholesome but I doubt many would call it evil. Calibas 00:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
One factor to consider might be to determine what the source scripture states. If you can identify what the source scripture is for the term being translated as "evil" or "wholesome" and if the scripture is part of the Pali literature, we can find the associated Pali text at La Trobe's on-line Pai Canon ( or at, etc., and then look at various traditional translations for the actual scriptural terms. Just a thought, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 18:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi Calibas (again!) - I'd just like to be a bit more explicit in my thoughts: both the words "unwholesome" and "evil" come up in the Pali Canon. Traditionally, the Pali term kusala is translated as "wholesome" or "skillful" (e.g., as suggested in part at this entry in the PTS Pali-English Dictionary [PED]: and akusala as its opposite ("unwholesome," "unskillful"); and, e.g., the Pali term pāpa is translated as "evil" or "wicked" (e.g., PTS PED entry: My very limited experience has been that the term akusala shows up more often -- at least as a so-called Buddhist "technical term" -- than pāpa; so, statistically speaking, I think you're on good ground to make the substitution (although, if I may, I wonder if the words "wholesome" and "unwholesome" are acceptable "simple English"?).
In addition, having taken a peek at the Simple English article on the Noble Eightfold Path, I see the word "evil" is used in the context of "Right Seeing" (as it says, or, as it is better known in English, "Right View" sammā-diṭṭhi). Again, while my knowledge on this topic is far from exhaustive, when I think of Right View and the terms "unwholesome" or "evil," I immediately think of the Sammādiṭṭhi Sutta (MN 9) in which the notion of akusala ("unskillful" or "unwholesome") (not pāpa, "evil") plays a central part. (See for example these translations by Thanissaro, 2005, and Nanamoli & Bodhi, 1991.)
So, in short, I think you might be on good ground for making the substitution you identify, but it would certainly make me feel better if I knew the source from which the original WP editor was drawing their word choice.
Hope this might help. With metta, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 01:42, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Buddhism & cognitive dissonance[edit]
It seems to me that the idea that "...the Noble Eightfold Path can be seen as rooted in what is called cognitive dissonance..." (seemingly added by an anonymous IP address) is, at best, "original research" (see WP:OR). For instance, based on a search for the words "cognitive" and "dissonance," the referenced Gay Watson article appears to make no mention of this or a synonymous term. (Did I miss something?)
Personally, I'm very sympathetic to and often delight in individuals finding meaningful resonance between Buddhism and Western psychology. However, to identify such theories in WP articles without sufficient justification in the literature can of course be misleading and, in my opinion, make WP somewhat laughable. Thus, unless someone can provide a citation for this association of Buddhism and cognitive dissonance, I would like to change the following current statement:
From the standpoint of modern cognitive psychology, the Noble Eightfold Path can be seen as rooted in what is called cognitive dissonance, which is the perception of incompatibility between two cognitions. In the essay "Buddhism Meets Western Science", Gay Watson explains this dissonance as it relates to Buddhist teaching:
to simply:
In the essay "Buddhism Meets Western Science", Gay Watson explains:
Any objections? (If so, thank you for educating me further!) Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 22:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
A quick check at Google Book Search reveals a book called Religious Motivation and the Origins of Buddhism: A Social-Psychological ...b y Torkel Brekke. There's a section about cognitive dissonance and Buddhism in there. It uses the example of the young prince leaving the walls of the palace and coming to the realization of suffering by seeing sickness, old age and death. It certainly could be argued that this cognitive dissonance (his previous life of privilege versus the suffering outside) is the beginning of his Enlightenment. Contrariwise, I can't find anything linking cognitive dissonance directly to the Noble Eightfold Path. Calibas 00:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Calibas -- thanks for the quick, thoughtful and informative reply. Nice find! Perhaps one can even extrapolate from the archetypical example you cite (of the Buddha's first steps toward awakening) that most Buddhist converts probably convert due to "cognitive dissonance" between their belief system and their current reality (e.g., a death or other significant loss) ...? Like you indicate though, the citation you identified does not appear to readily support the article's current linkage. Kudos to you for your thoughtful search. Best regards, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 01:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
It's been nearly three weeks and no one has raised any objection to the above suggested change; thus, I just implemented it. If anyone disagrees, please let's discuss it here first. Thanks so much, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 17:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Crossed out text[edit]
Why is the whole of Right Concentration, the eighth of the Eightfold Path crossed out? And some additional text below that as well? At least it is on my computer.
I've been visiting this page repeatedly for the past week. Am in the midst of a research project. There was no crossed out text on my last visit.
Kind regards, Morley Chalmers (talk) 21:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Vandalism — or, perhaps, the display of a quirky sense of humor by one who does not value this article as much as we do :-) It's been reverted. Best wishes, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 23:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
This is why it's not a good idea to do real formal reasearch on wikipedia. It's vandalized too much. (talk) 19:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm well aware of the volatility of Wikipedia. Nevertheless I'm finding Wikipedia's Buddhism pages an excellent jumping off point for further research. For the most part the pages are free of sectarianism and special interests (freer than most). On that note, I notice someone has once again crossed out other sections on the Eightfold path. I suspect it's time to identify who the vandal is and take steps to bar them from this page. Morley Chalmers (talk) 19:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Right Concentration on the Eightfold Path page[edit]
The quotation from the canon for Right Concentration is excellent, however I cannot find who the translator is. I'm asking because I want to quote it in a publication and need its exact source for attribution. Footnote 22 seems to suggest it's from Bhikkhu Bodhi, but I'm not so sure. It's definitely not from Thanissaro Bhikkhu. Where's it from? Someone's rewrite for Wikipedia?
For convenience, I'm quoting what's currently on Wikipedia's Eightfold Path page:
And what, monks, is right concentration?
(i) Quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unwholesome states, a monk enters in the first jhāna: rapture and pleasure born from detachment, accompanied by movement of the mind onto the object and retention of the mind on the object.
(ii) With the stilling of directed thought and evaluation, (he/she) enters and remains in the second jhāna: rapture and pleasure born of concentration; fixed single-pointed awareness free from movement of the mind onto the object and retention of the mind on the object; assurance.
(iii) With the fading of rapture, (he/she) remains in equanimity, mindful and fully aware, and physically sensitive of pleasure. (He/She) enters and remains in the third jhāna which the Noble Ones declare to be "Equanimous and mindful, (he/she) has a pleasurable abiding."
(iv) With the abandoning of pleasure and with the earlier disappearance of elation and distress...(he/she) enters and remains in the fourth jhāna: purity of equanimity and mindfulness, neither in pleasure nor in pain.
This, monks, is called right concentration[22].
Most likely it's from the Samyutta Nikaya 45.8. From Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation of the Samyutta Nikaya, page 1529, here's a taste of Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation of that segment.
There are similarities and differences. A follow up on this would be appreciated.
Kind regards, Morley Chalmers (talk) 19:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Morley -
Based on this article's history page entries, it appears that the block quote in question is originally from Thanissaro's 1996 translation of SN 45.8 (found here at "Access to Insight": and was subsequently modified in an uneducated fashion.
The basis for this deduction is:
So, it appears that the current quote is simply inaccurate.
Hope this helps, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 02:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Larry -
Much thanks, that does indeed help. Question: What can be done to keep the goofs off sensitive pages such as this without freezing out good edits. Tonight as I read about Google Knol I've stumbled on some commentary from former Wikipedia volunteer editors who have found the task of riding herd on their favourite Wikipedia pages requires increasing levels of time to improve the signal to noise ratio. I rarely do edits, haven't got into the habit. It strikes me frustrated Wikipedia editors will tend to migrate, which would be a shame. Just some thoughts. Morley Chalmers (talk) 00:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
On Feb. 25th[1], an anon user added text taken verbatim from a Buddhanet article. Here's the added text and associated Buddhanet text side by side:
I see a few problems:
1. plagiarism - though the copied text has an appropriate in-line link to the Buddhanet article, the verbatim copied text is not in quotes giving the impression that the newly edit text is a summary of the referenced article, not a direct copy.
2. possible copyright infringement - e.g., see WP:COPYVIO as well as GFDL-related material
3. uncertain source - the article is written by a "John Allan" -- who is this person? what are his credentials? might he be asserting an unidentified POV?
Given these concerns, unless someone reasonably argues otherwise, I plan to integrate the above-identified information with information from the PTS Pali-English Dictionary's entry on sammā[3] and perhaps contrast it with micchā[4], as is done in a number of canonical discourses. Anyone have any concerns about my doing such? Thanks, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 05:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
For the sake of expediency, to remove a possible WP:COPYVIO ASAP and given the sentence which currently precedes the above identified plagiarized text, I'll simply reduced the above text to an end note on the preceding sentence which currently reads:
In all of the elements of the Noble Eightfold Path, the word "right" is a translation of the word samyañc (Sanskrit) or sammā (Pāli), which denotes completion, togetherness, and coherence, and which can also carry the sense of "perfect" or "ideal".
The end note will read something like:
See, for instance, Allan (2008).
I'll then create an appropriate citation for Allan (2008) (that is, the plagiarized Buddhanet page) in the References section. If anyone disagrees, please note here. If anyone would like to incorporate the above referenced PTS PED or sutral material, please do so. Best, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 14:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Addition of personal blog to "External links" section[edit]
On 17:23, 21 March 2008, an anon user (User: added the following text to the "External links" section of this article:
• The Buddha's Eightfold urgings to help us:
1. Restore our original authenticity of self-expression,
2. Restore the harmonious togetherness between all human beings,
3. Restore harmony and unity at all levels and in all aspects of existence:
One minute later, this self-promotional blog text was reverted by User:XLinkBot and the bot added a message to User talk: stating the reason for the revert including the following recommendation: "Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information...."
On 21:09, 22 March 2008, User:Wim Borsboom then added the exact same text to this article. It should be noted that according to the blog whose link is inserted with this edit, Mr. Borsboom is the originator of the blog. His sole additions to WP thusfar has been his repeated insertion of this blog's link into this article. A scan of his blog (including its own end note) suggests that it is largely Mr. Borsboom's own re-hashing of information from this article. There is nothing authoritative about Mr. Borsboom's text. His on-line bio[5] (which one would hope might speak to his authority on this topic) simply states to whom he is married and where they live.
On 23:47, 22 March 2008, regular WP Buddhism editor User:Tdudkowski reverted the second inappropriate addition of this unsubstantial, unauthoritative, idiosyncratic blog material and link to his article.
On 01:38, 23 March 2008, User:Wim Borsboom "undid" (per the Edit Summary) User:Tdudkowski's reversion and left simply a link to his own blog as follows:
• The Buddha's Eightfold Urgings - A contemporary specualive treatment?:
On 20:18, 23 March 2008, I deleted Mr. Borsboom's third attempt to add his blog to this WP page. I left the following Edit Summary:
/* External links: */ - per WP:ELNO #11, remove EL to blog (which appears to essentially idiosyncratically rehash this page's very own content))
One minute later, User:RyRy5 reverted my deletion of the blog link without identifying any reason for doing so in the Edit Summary or elsewhere. Given evidence of User:RyRy5's on-going contributions to WP (e.g., numerous edits, significant user page), I posted a query on his talk page asking that he help me understand the basis for his reverting my deletion of this blog material, in light of WP:ELNO #11 and User:Tdudkowski's prior reversion of similar information. While User:RyRy5 has made a variety of edits since my query, he has not responded to the query. Thus, I've brought this matter here.
Personally, besides the waste of time this is incurring, it frankly gives me little pleasure to enforce WP policy on this matter. Mr. Borsboom's apparently feeling inspired by the Dhamma is a wonderful thing and I applaud his desire to incorporate and disseminate Buddhism's teachings. But, as indicated by WP:ELNO #11 and common sense, WP is not the venue for such. If we were to add a link to every blog about every spiritual teaching, whether Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Sufi, etc., WP would quickly become overwhelmed by such links. For one to think that their blog "insights" are more worthy than all others seems grossly egocentric or perhaps naive. Thus, consistent with WP:EL, I am presently going to revert for a fourth time Mr. Borsboom's self-promotion of his own non-authoritative blog comments. Consistent with WP:CONSENSUS, if anyone disagrees with this, please discuss it here.
With metta,
Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 18:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
link to prior useful endnotes[edit]
In case others, in addition to myself, might be looking for useful endnotes that previously existed in this article and that have been inexplicably deleted without discussion, here's a link to a prior instantiation of this article that contained such: Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 20:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
is samadhi[edit]
"meditation", "mental discipline", "training of the mind" or "concentration"?--Esteban Barahona (talk) 21:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
The Pali Text Society's Pali-English Dictionary
Samādhi [fr. saŋ+ā+dhā] 1. concentration; a concen- trated, self -- collected, intent state of mind and meditation, which, concomitant with right living, is a necessary condition to the attainment of higher wisdom and emancipation.
Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: Search Results
samAdhi m. putting together , joining or combining with (instr.) La1t2y. ; a joint or a partic. position of the neck Kir. ; union , a whole , aggregate , set R. Hariv. Ragh. ; completion , accomplishment , conclusion Kum. ; setting to rights , adjustment , settlement MBh. ; justification of a statement , proof Sarvad. ; bringing into harmony , agreement , assent W. RPra1t. ; intense application or fixing the mind on , intentness , attention (%{-dhiM-kR} , `" to attend "') MBh. R. &c. ; concentration of the thoughts , profound or abstract meditation , intense contemplation of any particular object (so as to identify the contemplator with the object meditated upon ; this is the eighth and last stage of Yoga [lW. 93] ;
Sawadeekrap (talk) 06:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you to the many contributers and editors who have kept this page looking good.
I added "right conception" to the list of alternatives to the Right Intentions subcategory today. This definition is supported by a citation I left in the edit page. Please make any comment or change you intend, and i felt that this was an important shading of the derivation from the original Tibetan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Right Speech[edit]
Right Speech in the article refers to:
The Samaññaphala Sutta, Kevatta Sutta and Cunda Kammaraputta Sutta
The Abhaya Sutta
Maybe there are some other suttas to be mentioned.
Austerlitz -- (talk) 10:28, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
[6] "Let me quote from the Buddhist text the discourse on wholesome speech (subhasita sutta) in addressing a group of monks." For sure there is a connection between "right speech" and "wholesome speech".
Austerlitz -- (talk) 11:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Three years later and the same problems remain - dukkha translated as 'stress' and still an note on Cognitive Psychology.
Regardless of byzantine academic rules on translation and wikipedia guidelines, I do not believe that the Buddha meant what we understand as 'stress' when he spoke about dukkha. I believe that he meant what we understand as 'suffering'. It is for this reason that 'stress' is wrong - it's not what the Buddha meant.
'Stress' as we understand it means a general low-level lack of well-being, generally understood to be caused by the hectic conditions of modern life - demanding jobs, long commutes, less nurturing family lives etc.
'Suffering', on the other hand encompasses all and every bad and unpleasant condition associated with being a sentient (ie unenlightened) being.
This is why I object to 'stress'. I don't think it's what the Buddha meant. And this is why it's wrong - it's not Buddhism.
And I object to the prominence of the note on Cognitive Psychology - to suggest (or even seem to suggest) that Buddhism is some early or primitive attempt at a theory of Cognitive Psychology is grossly insulting (to this Buddhist at least). It isn't - it's a practice to turn an ordinary sentient being into:
the Tathāgata, an Arhat, perfectly enlightened, perfected in knowledge and conduct, well gone, unsurpassed, knower of the world, leader, teacher of gods and men, the blessed or fortunate one (the ten epithets of a Buddha);
not someone who's visited a psychologist and is a little less miserable.
(the former Rentwa) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I highly agree about the section on cognitive psychology. It simply does not belong here and its deletion is clearly long, long overdue. I would like to know why the primary editors of this page are allowing it to continue. What gives? Slarti42 (talk) 05:12, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
I just removed "stress" wherever I found it, leaving "suffering." The English word "stress" has more to do with actual or figurative tension or pressure, in my view, and does not correctly render "suffering" as used in Buddhist teaching.
While the article gives a source for the use of "stress," it appears that dukkha is translated far more often as "suffering." (see Dukkha#Meaning for a more complete discussion.) My own view, not backed up by any particular Buddhist scholarship, is that, in English, one may be subject to stress without necessarily suffering, and that it is suffering, not stress, which properly is at the core of the meaning of the Four Noble Truths. (p.s. added 18:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC))
I disagree that cognitive psychology is irrelevant here. What are the skandhas, anyway? Psychology does not merely have to do with "someone who's visited a psychologist and is a little less miserable" but is actually the study of the mind. See the connection? __ Just plain Bill (talk) 15:54, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Magga or Marga[edit]
I think the words magga and/or marga should be mentioned in this article.
Magga is linked to this article. Marga is linked to the Four Noble Truths. Some consistency should be brought to those redirects as well.--1000Faces (talk) 15:55, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
How come the article did not include an exact translation?[edit]
Though "Noble Eightfold Path" is the popularly accepted translation, it actually translates to "Aryan Eightfold Path". The use of the word Aryan is significant to scholars of early India and the Vedas, so I've added the literal translation to the article.
Ariyo aṭṭhaṅgiko maggo // Ariyo = "Aryan" not "Noble"
Flygongengar (talk) 00:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Great Aryan Myth[edit]
The first reference which I now delete is to "Great Aryan Myth" This can be found behind a paywall at JSTORE [7]. I have checked it. It nothing to do with the eightfold path and so a hoax.
buddhism and cognitive psychology[edit]
The section "Cognitive psychology" seems to be all from/about one person's point of view. Further, it seems to be referring to cognitive therapy rather than cognitive psychology (see: The study of mental processes as presented in the Abhidhamma would make a better comparison to/with Cognitive Psychology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:36, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
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Brazilian tulipwood
Most commonly, tulipwood is the pinkish yellowish wood yielded from the tuliptree, found on the Eastern side of North America and also in some parts of China. In the United States, it is commonly known as tulip poplar or yellow poplar, even though the tree is not related to the poplars. In fact, the reference to poplar is a result of the tree's height, which can exceed 100 feet. The wood is very light, around 490 kg per cubic meter,[1] but very strong and is used in many applications, including furniture, joinery and moldings. It can also be stained very easily and is often used as a low-cost alternative to walnut and cherry in furniture and doors.
Other types[edit]
Brazilian tulipwood is a different species. A classic high-quality wood, it is very dense with a lovely figure. It is used for inlays in furniture and for small turned items. Available only in small sizes, it is rarely used in the solid for luxury furniture. Like other woods with a pronounced figure it is rather strongly subject to fashion.
In the nineteenth century Brazilian tulipwood was thought to be the product of Physocalymma scaberrima, but in the twentieth century it became clear it was yielded by a species of Dalbergia. At some point it was misidentified as Dalbergia frutescens var. tomentosa, a misidentification which can still be found in books aimed at the woodworker. For some decades it has been known to be yielded by Dalbergia decipularis, a species restricted to a small area in Brazil.
There also exists the Australian "tulipwood", the common name of Harpullia. Certain varieties of Harpullia were prized for their dark coloured timber. The one most commonly known to horticulture is H. pendula which is widely planted as a street tree along the east coast of Australia.
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A protester confronts Seattle police after they fired tear gas to disperse demonstrators in downtown Seattle on November 30, 1999.
People vs. Empire
Only global resistance from below can counter repressive states
BY Arundhati Roy
This article is adapted from Public Power in the Age of Empire (Seven Stories, 2004) which is based on a speech Roy gave to the American Sociological Association in August 2004.
This synthetically manufactured fear is used to gain public sanction for further acts of aggression. And so it goes, building into a spiral of self-fulfilling hysteria, now formally calibrated by the U.S government’s Amazing Technicolored Terror Alerts: fuchsia, turquoise, salmon pink.
To outside observers, this merging of sarkar and public in the United States sometimes makes it hard to separate the actions of the government from the people. Such confusion fuels anti-Americanism in the world—anti-Americanism that is seized upon and amplified by the U.S. government and its faithful media outlets. You know the routine: “Why do they hate us? They hate our freedoms,” et cetera. This enhances the U.S. people’s sense of isolation, making the embrace between sarkar and public even more intimate.
Over the last few years, the “war on terrorism” has mutated into the more generic “war on terror.” Using the threat of an external enemy to rally people behind you is a tired old horse that politicians have ridden into power for centuries. But could it be that ordinary people, fed up with that poor old horse, are looking for something different? Before Washington’s illegal invasion of Iraq, a Gallup International poll showed that in no European country was support for a unilateral war higher than 11 percent. On February 15, 2003, weeks before the invasion, more than 10 million people marched against the war on different continents, including North America. And yet the governments of many supposedly democratic countries still went to war.
Real choices
So what does public power mean in the Age of Empire? Does it mean anything at all? Does it actually exist? In these allegedly democratic times, conventional political thought holds that public power is exercised through the ballot. People in scores of countries around the world will go to the polls this year. Most (not all) of them will get the governments they vote for. But will they get the governments they want?
In India this year, we voted the Hindu nationalists of the BJP out of office. But even as we celebrated, we knew that on nuclear bombs, neoliberalism, privatization, censorship, big dams—on every major issue other than overt Hindu nationalism—the Congress and the BJP have no major ideological differences. We know that it is the 50-year legacy of the Congress Party that prepared the ground culturally and politically for the far right.
And what of the U.S. elections? Did U.S. voters have a real choice? The U.S. political system has been carefully crafted to ensure that no one who questions the natural goodness of the military-industrial corporate structure will be allowed through the portals of power. Given this, it’s no surprise that in this election you had two Yale University graduates, both members of Skull and Bones, the same secret society, both millionaires, both playing at soldier-solider, both talking up war, and arguing almost childishly about who would lead the war on terror more effectively. It’s not a real choice. It’s an apparent choice. Like choosing a brand of detergent. Whether you buy Ivory Snow or Tide, they’re both owned by Procter & Gamble. The fact is that electoral democracy has become a process of cynical manipulation. It offers us a very reduced political space today. To believe that this space constitutes real choice would be naive. The crisis of modern democracy is a profound one. Free elections, a free press and an independent judiciary mean little when the free market has reduced them to commodities available on sale to the highest bidder.
On the global stage, beyond the jurisdiction of sovereign governments, international instruments of trade and finance oversee a complex web of multilateral laws and agreements that have entrenched a system of appropriation that puts colonialism to shame. This system allows the unrestricted entry and exit of massive amounts of speculative capital into and out of Third World countries, which then effectively dictates their economic policy. Using the threat of capital flight as a lever, international capital insinuates itself deeper and deeper into these economies. Giant transnational corporations are taking control of their essential infrastructure and natural resources, their minerals, their water, their electricity. The World Trade Organization, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and other financial institutions, like the Asian Development Bank, virtually write economic policy and parliamentary legislation. With a deadly combination of arrogance and ruthlessness, they take their sledgehammers to fragile, interdependent, historically complex societies, and devastate them, all under the fluttering banner of “reform.” As a consequence of such reform, thousands of small enterprises and industries have closed; millions of workers and farmers have lost their jobs and land.
Once the free market controls the economies of the Third World they become enmeshed in an elaborate, carefully calibrated system of economic inequality. Western countries flood the markets of poorer nations with their subsidized agricultural goods and other products with which local producers cannot possibly compete. Countries that have been plundered by colonizing regimes are steeped in debt to these same powers, and have to repay them at the rate of about $382 billion a year. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer—not accidentally, but by design.
To put a vulgar point on all of this, the combined wealth of the world’s billionaires in 2004 (587 “individuals and family units”), according to Forbes magazine, is $1.9 trillion—more than the gross domestic product of the world’s 135 poorest countries combined. The good news is that there are 111 more billionaires this year than there were in 2003.
Modern democracy is safely premised on an almost religious acceptance of the nation state. But corporate globalization is not. Liquid capital is not. So even though capital needs the coercive powers of the nation state to put down revolts in the servants’ quarters, this setup ensures that no individual nation can oppose corporate globalization on its own.
Public power
Radical change cannot and will not be negotiated by governments; it can only be enforced by people. By the public. A public that can link hands across national borders. A public that disagrees with the very concept of empire. A public that has set itself against the governments and institutions that support and service Empire.
Empire has a range of calling cards. It uses different weapons to break open different markets. There’s no country on God’s earth that isn’t caught in the crosshairs of the U.S. cruise missile and the IMF checkbook. For poor people in many countries, Empire does not always appear in the form of cruise missiles and tanks, as it has in Iraq or Afghanistan or Vietnam. It appears in their lives in very local avatars—losing their jobs, being sent unpayable electricity bills, having their water supply cut, being evicted from their homes and uprooted from their land. It is a process of relentless impoverishment with which the poor are historically familiar. What Empire does is further entrench and exacerbate already existing inequalities.
Until quite recently, it was sometimes difficult for people to see themselves as victims of Empire. But now, local struggles have begun to see their role with increasing clarity. However grand it might sound, the fact is, they are confronting Empire in their own, very different ways. Differently in Iraq, in South Africa, in India, in Argentina, and differently, for that matter, on the streets of Europe and the United States.
Mass resistance movements, individual activists, journalists, artists and film makers have come together to strip Empire of its sheen. They have connected the dots, turned cash-flow charts and boardroom speeches into real stories about real people and real despair. They have shown how the neoliberal project has cost people their homes, their land, their jobs, their liberty, their dignity. they have made the intangible tangible. The once seemingly incorporeal enemy is now corporeal.
This is a huge victory. It was forged by the coming together of disparate political groups, with a variety of stratigies. But they all recognized that the target of their anger, their activism and their doggedness is the same. This was the beginning of real globalization. The globalization of dissent.
Meanwhile, the rift between rich and poor is being driven deeper and the battle to control the world’s resources intensifies. Economic colonialism through formal military aggression is staging a comeback.
Iraq today is a tragic illustration of this process. The illegal invasion. The brutal occupation in the name of liberation. The rewriting of laws to allow the shameless appropriation of the country’s wealth and resources by corporations allied to the occupation. And now the charade of a sovereign “Iraqi government.”
The Iraqi resistance is fighting on the frontlines of the battle against Empire. And therefore that battle is our battle. Before we prescribe how a pristine Iraqi resistance must conduct a secular, feminist, democratic, non-violent battle, we should shore up our end of the resistance by forcing the U.S. government and its allies to withdraw from Iraq.
Resistance across borders
The first militant confrontation in the United States between the global justice movement and the neoliberal junta took place at the WTO conference in Seattle in December 1999. To many mass movements in developing countries that had long been fighting lonely, isolated battles, Seattle was the first delightful sign that people in imperialist countries shared their anger and their vision of another kind of world. As resistance movements have begun to reach out across national borders and pose a real threat, governments have developed their own strategies for dealing with them, ranging from co-optation to repression.
Three contemporary dangers confront resistance movements: the difficult meeting point between mass movements and the mass media, the hazards of the NGO-ization of resistance, and the confrontation between resistance movements and increasingly repressive states.
The place in which the mass media meets mass movements is a complicated one. Governments have learned that a crisis-driven media cannot afford to hang about in the same place for too long. Just as a business needs cash turnover, the media need crisis turnover. Whole countries become old news, and cease to exist, and the darkness becomes deeper than before the light was briefly shone on them.
While governments hone the art of waiting out crises, resistance movements are increasingly ensnared in a vortex of crisis production that seeks to find ways of manufacturing them in easily consumable, spectator-friendly formats. For this reason, starvation deaths are more effective at publicizing impoverishment than malnourished people in the millions.
A second hazard facing mass movements is the NGO-ization of resistance. Some nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) of course do valuable work, but it’s important to consider the NGO phenomenon in a broader political context.
Most large, well-funded NGOs are financed and patronized by aid and development agencies, which are in turn funded by Western governments, the World Bank, the United Nations and some multinational corporations. Though they may not be the very same agencies, they are certainly part of the same loose political formation that oversees the neoliberal project and demands the slash in government spending in the first place.
Why should these agencies fund NGOs? Could it be just old-fashioned missionary zeal? NGOs give the impression that they are filling the vacuum created by a retreating state. And they are, but in a materially inconsequential way. Their real contribution is that they defuse political anger and dole out as aid or benevolence what people ought to have by right. They alter the public psyche, they turn people into dependent victims and they blunt the edges of political resistance. NGOs form a sort of buffer between the sarkar and public. Between Empire and its subjects. They have become the arbitrators, the interpreters, the facilitators of the discourse—the secular missionaries of the modern world.
Eventually—on a smaller scale, but more insidiously—the capital available to NGOs plays the same role in alternative politics as the speculative capital that flows in and out of the economies of poor countries. It begins to dictate the agenda, turning confrontation into negotiation and depoliticizing resistance.
The cost of violence
This brings us to a third danger: the deadly nature of the actual confrontation between resistance movements and increasingly repressive states. Between public power and the agents of Empire.
Whenever civil resistance has shown the slightest signs of evolving from symbolic action into anything remotely threatening, the crackdown is merciless. We’ve seen what happened to the demonstrators in Seattle, in Miami, in Gothenburg, in Genoa.
In this restive, despairing time, if governments do not do all they can to honor nonviolent resistance, then by default they privilege those who turn to violence. No government’s condemnation of terrorism is credible if it cannot show itself to be open to change by nonviolent dissent. Instead, today, nonviolent resistance movements are being crushed, bought off or simply ignored.
Meanwhile, governments and the corporate media (and let’s not forget the film industry) lavish their time, attention, funds, technology and research on war and terrorism. Violence has been deified. The message this sends is disturbing and dangerous: If you seek to air a public grievance, violence is more effective than nonviolence.
The U.S. soldiers fighting in Iraq—mostly volunteers in a poverty draft from small towns and poor urban neighborhoods—are victims, just as much as the Iraqis, of the same horrendous process that asks them to die for a victory that will never be theirs.
The mandarins of the corporate world, the CEOs, the bankers, the politicians, the judges and generals look down on us from on high and shake their heads sternly. “There’s no alternative,” they say, and let slip the dogs of war.
Then, from the ruins of Afghanistan, from the rubble of Iraq and Chechnya, from the streets of occupied Palestine and the mountains of Kashmir, from the hills and plains of Colombia, and the forests of Andhra Pradesh and Assam, comes the chilling reply: “There’s no alternative but terrorism.” Terrorism. Armed struggle. Insurgency. Call it what you want.
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Won't Ask, Won't Tell
Older Japanese men in Hawaii can be very hardheaded and difficult to understand (unless you understand their ways). This is particularly true of the nisei in Hawaii who were taught old style Japanese values by their parents but also learned to function here in English and pidgin in the then Territory of Hawaii. Among the strictest of the Japanese were the budo (martial arts) teachers. These teachers of Kendo, Ju Jutsu, Judo, Aikido, and Karate were even more old style and many remain so today.
We sometimes say in Hawaii that an old style Japanese man is samurai. There is a joke that a particularly difficult man is not samurai but daimyo. The most hardheaded of all is shogun!
There is an expression I heard many times in private from my older sensei: "If I have to ask, I won't ask. If I have to tell, I won't tell."
I will give you an example of the first part. Let's say I am outside mowing the yard and my wife asks me why I don't ask my able bodied sons to help. I would then say, "If I have to ask, I won't ask." Older Japanese men never like to ask for help -- from anyone. They don't like to complain either -- about anything.
Now let's consider the second part. Suppose a student is bowing incorrectly and this student is my senior. I speak privately with my sensei and mention the bowing issue. He says, "I know he is bowing wrong, but if I have to tell him, I won't tell." And to make it worse, I cannot tell the student either because he is my senior. So nothing gets done, unless another senior (senior to the student) gets involved. But often, the seniors are not aware of their duties in this regard. Bowing is just an example. The student could be doing something more seriously wrong.
So if your sensei needs something, he won't ask, and if you are doing something wrong, he won't tell. This makes perfect sense to me because I have seen it so often over the years during my training. To tell the truth, I do the same thing and I am only a 48 year old shin hapa nisei (new half second generation Japanese).
I want to repeat this because it is so important. If your sensei needs something, he won't ask, and if you are doing something wrong, he won't tell.
Let's say that you offer to help your sensei. He'll probably say, "no thanks." Let's say that you ask your sensei if you have done something wrong. He'll probably say, "no." It will be up to you to ask in such a sincere and insistent (but polite) way that you will overcome your sensei's tendecy to hold back (see: Enryo Suru and Please Correct Me).
Another thing you might do is to ask one of your seniors. He or she might be in a better position to advise you about helping your sensei or correct you if you are making a mistake. If they do not know the answer, they can consult the sensei and ask for advice.
But the threshhold is for you to be sensitive to and aware of your sensei's needs and about your own behavior. Training hard is not enough. You have to constantly examine yourself under a microscope.
My 16 year old son recently went on a Kendo trip to Canada. One of his sensei took the group. I told my son, "You have to be helpful. You must not let adults carry bags if your hands are empty. You must not let women open a door. You have to help the person before they even realize that they need help. You have to be aware at all times."
After the trip, I spoke to my son's sensei. She complimented my son on being so helpful and attentive. She was shocked that a 16 year old would act like such a gentlemen.
But that's the point! What good is being able to hit someone in Kendo if you don't have good manners? How can you see an opening in Kendo if you can't see an adult standing at a door with her arms full?
You have to look at yourself under a microscope and look at your sensei and seniors with a telescope. You've got to see it all.
You must help your sensei before he even realizes that he needs help. You must foster a relationship in which your sensei feels comfortable correcting you. In these ways, you will progress in your training, both in Karate and daily life -- which in the end, are the same thing.
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Tonight, marks the second year of the mandate from ICASA that basically enforces rate cuts from Mobile operators in our country. This means the rate at which they charge each other for the use of each others’ lines will drop tonight at 12.
This would, to the normal person, mean that call charges to the consumer who uses their lines would automatically drop! No, shoot yourself for being so forward thinking and naïve at the same time. MTN and Vodacom have come out all guns blazing by refusing to cut costs to the consumer, even though their operating costs, so to say, are now going to be less! No, according to MTN’s speaking head honcho, MTN loses R200m when 10% termination rates are applied, thus they cannot pass on this perceived company saving to their millions of subscribers!
In real simple terms, Icasa has now made it cheaper for the operators to do business, the whole point of this intervention by the regulatory body is to make calls cheaper for us…and in return, the operators plead the 5th and throw in all kinds of reasons why it cannot happen. Why then, if we don’t see a drop in call/data charges, does Icasa not scrap this exercise altogether?
You can read the whole story here, but this got me thinking…and that’s dangerous in its own right. If MTN get cut deep by R200m profits, how much money are they really making…why not then cut profits and spare us some cash…the people who make all this possible? That’s not, operating costs…that’s profit! Almost a quarter billie!
With the new consumer act coming into effect at the end of this month, contracts will be seriously revised with new clauses that are in Times New Roman with a font size of 1…We can have the power, the option, to cancel contracts at our peril, freedom will truly be the biggest thing MTN and Vodacom has to worry about. I don’t for one second believe Boorman when he gives this, unprophetic reason why rates cannot be cut…we’ll have to wait until they release their figures to the public to see how much they saved!
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I'm afraid that you've got the wrong end of the stick on this one. Vodacom receives more in interconnect fees from other companies than it pays out to these companies. Interconnect fees are therefore a source of net revenue. When the interconnect fees come down, as they just did, Vodacom's revenue is reduced. There are no savings to pass on to customers for Vodacom - the exact opposite is true.
The interesting question is if Vodacom's profits are reduced, who has benefitted from the cut and did they use this benefit to reduce their rates?
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ICASA ordered the cut in the termination rates to cut the cost to the consumer. The Cell phone companies are in it to get as rich as they possibly can, and South Africa has provided an environment that allows them to charge extremely high prices for their poor service.
The margins of these companies are huge. They are not interested in cutting profits! Besides, if the price of cell phone calls is cut, the number of calls will grow! The networks wouldn't cope! They would have to spend to increase capacity.
Interestingly, MTN's strategy and values does not include customer service. Why am I not surprised?
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Q&A: A to F school evaluation system
Oklahoman Published: December 2, 2012
Q: What is A to F?
A: A new state law requires the state Education Department to evaluate schools and assign letter grades. Schools are evaluated on student performance, student growth and whole school performance. In addition to the overall letter grade each school receives, schools also will receive letter grades in five subject areas: reading, math, science, social studies and writing. Eventually, letter grades also will be given to each district and the state overall.
Q: What did it replace?
A: The A to F grading system replaces the previous assessment tool: the Academic Performance Index. API gave schools a score on a 1,500-point scale mandated by No Child Left Behind, which no longer applies to Oklahoma because of a federal waiver granted to the state this year.
Q: What happens if a school gets a high or low grade?
A: Nothing. The grades are designed to inform parents and the community of how well schools are doing. The grades aren't tied to funding.
Q: How else are schools evaluated?
A: Federal officials require the state Education Department to evaluate schools based on a system of designations, such as “priority” and “high-performing reward.” Not every school in the state has a designation under the federal system, though designations can affect federal funding. The A to F grades are not tied to the federal evaluations, though both systems have similar metrics and some grades and designations overlap. The federal designations will come out this year. Also, some federal grants still require schools to report an API score, so state officials calculate scores for certain schools.
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by Isaac-1 (#48631691) Attached to: Reaction To the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid'
My mother's next door neighbor was shot and killed by escaped federal prisoners while visiting his ranch house in a remote part of Oklahoma, my step sisters former employer was killed by a home invader with a knife at his vacation condo in the virgin islands. The same step sister was a witness to a woman being kidnapped in a grocery store parking lot, the woman was never seen again, my wife has / had a cousin that disappeared while walking home from work one day, he normally did not walk to work, but his car would not start that day so he walked the 3/4 mile to work down a somewhat rural road. The world is a dangerousl place it pays to be prepared for the unexpected.
Comment: Re: Seen the e-Golf? (Score 1) 395
by Isaac-1 (#48484659) Attached to: France Wants To Get Rid of Diesel Fuel
It is not about what percentage of the population exceed 50 miles in a day, it is what percentage of the population exceeds 50 miles in a single day once or more per week/month. This is the thing that demands the ownership of the second car. Personally I commute about 17 miles each way to work, plus another 3-5 miles round trip on days when I have time for a lunch break (sometimes in my car, sometimes carpooling with others for lunch), so sure it would work on the average work day, but take yesterday as an example when we went to my wife's sisters house for a late holiday gathering 50 miles away, plus a 5 mile out of our way side trip to drop off a key for someone, then a run to the grocery store once we were home.... It all adds up, and for me that means a driving of over 100 miles in a single day on average a bit more than once per week, and a trip of over 300 miles in a day about once per month, or maybe a bit less, more often this will be 300-500 miles over the course of 2 or 3 days every few months.
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by Isaac-1 (#48114953) Attached to: The CDC Is Carefully Controlling How Scared You Are About Ebola
My bigger concern is what do you do if you need emergency medical services for an everyday emergency if the emergency rooms are full of contagious ebola victims? Lets say you break your leg, or have a serious cut, do you stay home and try to manage it on your own, or do you risk the waiting room at the local hospital?
Comment: Re:Suspension of Disbelief (Score 1) 193
by Isaac-1 (#48107149) Attached to: A Critical Look At Walter "Scorpion" O'Brien
True, but Big Bang does a great job of getting it with nerd culture although perhaps in a self deprecating way. Where Scropion just blows it with idiots trying to pretend to be smart. It is the classic problem of the person with an IQ of 135 thinking they are the smartest person in the room, where the person with an IQ of 155 often thinks they are not. The difference being they tend to be in different rooms and different social crowds. It really all comes down to one problem smart people can recognize other smart people, or people that are smarter than themselves, stupid people can only do the second part.
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IT CALL the Second Amendment that why it shoud legal yes my spelling sucks big time!! im not a raving lunatic. im very pash in proteck my self from get gay bash you shoud all so read Second Amendment with out it then we lose the first Amndment thay go hand and hand!
There are limits to the first amendment so why not the second? Please do not insult my intelligence, I am well aware of what the second amendment says. I disagree that it gives the public the right to own guns even though we should be allowed to have certain types of guns.
then MOVE TO THE UK then it is un amercan ant gun this county was found on guns if we did have then we lose all are right as a amercan Just move! it keep are goverment at bay !!
You no longer are sounding like a raving lunatic you are one. Come back and discuss this once you actually comprehend what people are telling you.
all you are is a neo nazi un amercan!!
The neo-nazis in this country would probably agree with your position on guns.
Its not gun that did it was the MAD MAN he coud yous a car bomb wood we ban cars then? mad men and women dont have yous a gun if he kick her to death wood we ban nike shoes? there will all ways be crazy out there!!
I think you need to calm down. It is affecting your reading comprehension. Nobody is saying no guns at all just that they need to be regulated just like certain speech needs to be regulated or are you an anarchist?
We dont need any more regulate we need in force law we all ready have quit give deal to crimanals make stay full forse in jail .
Wow! Your spelling and grammar have managed to get even worse.
i sead my spelling suck
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Fall has arrived in the Coastal Bend, a time of change, not just the cooler weather. New projects seem to be gaining momentum, including a Westside outdoor mall that involves a tax incentive plan with the city and an outlet mall that involves a land deal with the county. Each transaction will require several agreements and contracts.
Contracts are a way of resolving disputes in advance. But sometimes contracts start, rather than end, disagreements. I had to deal with one of those recently, centering on the disputed interpretation of contractual language. The project was a medical office complex and the disagreement was between the developer and a physicians group that commissioned the project. The issue was whether the contracts obligated the developer to obtain pre-construction environmental inspections of the property and whether the failure to do so was a breach of contract allowing one or more of the parties to void the contracts.
The developer asserted that the physician group waived the requirement. At stake were highly lucrative fees that most of the parties stood to gain financially if the contracts were enforced.
After much discussion, it became apparent that one or more of the parties appeared to be using the lawsuit to renegotiate the monetary terms of the contract. Also of concern to all were the anticipated litigation costs that each party agreed could be substantial.
After discussing the legal issues and acknowledging the ambiguities in the contracts, each of the parties agreed that they would be better off modifying some of the terms and enforcing the contracts than to engage in a lawsuit with no end in immediate sight and spend considerable sums on attorney fees and expenses. The parties reached a settlement and everyone left feeling that the best result under the circumstances was achieved.
Perhaps, with the next season change, these mall developers and local governments will have emerged with solid agreements that lead to construction, and perhaps with the completion of those projects, all parties will inspect the results and agree that they agreed.
Andrew Lehrman is a certified mediator and a partner in the law firm of Anderson Lehrman Barre Maraist LLP. He has been the Better Business Bureau's general counsel since 1980.
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1. 1/2 cup brown lentils
2. 5 ounces baby arugula
3. 1 cup parsley leaves
4. 2 tablespoons tarragon leaves
5. 2 tablespoons mint leaves
6. 1/2 cup plain low-fat yogurt
7. 1/2 pound cucumber—peeled, seeded and coarsely shredded
8. Salt and freshly ground pepper
1. In a medium saucepan, cover the lentils with water and bring to a boil. Simmer over moderately low heat, stirring occasionally, until tender, about 30 minutes. Drain.
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User avatar #2 - localcatbarber (03/30/2013) [+] (6 replies)
> work at childrens camp
> have a sore throat
> talking to 8-year-old-girl
> she says "Your throat sounds kind of tight."
> I say "huh, maybe I should use a toilet brush to clear it up."
> girl conciders this for a moment
> "maybe you should just be quiet."
> she's dead serious.
> I don't know how to react to this.
> I shut up.
User avatar #21 - fishkrieg (03/30/2013) [+] (9 replies)
I'm English, we can't communicate unless it's in sarcasm. It's like our native tongue.
User avatar #19 - fuzzyballs (03/30/2013) [+] (2 replies)
if you use sarcasm, and they don't get it, they're the ******* idiots
#16 - bizzareslam ONLINE (03/30/2013) [-]
#32 - thefasrdog (03/31/2013) [-]
If you don't know when someone's being sarcastic maybe you're the retard.
User avatar #22 - lulzinmyroflcopter (03/30/2013) [-]
>Be in meeting for small high school club about a field trip
>6 girls and 2 guys (I am one of the guys)
>counselor says jokingly "You will be gone for 2 days, so you'll just have to live without your boyfriends for a while"
>girls laugh
>me and other guy exchange uneasy glance
>I try to be funny and say "oh my boyfriend cant live without me!"
>nobody laughs
>guy thinks im gay
>girls think im gay
>never go to club meetings again
User avatar #23 - AquariusCyclone (03/30/2013) [-]
>With friend and his group of people I don't know
>Discussing Texas trying to secede
>Talking about punishing Texas
>Be clown
>Suggest nuking Texas
>Friend laughs with me
>Someone takes me seriously and calls me a *******
>We laugh harder
#14 - badsamaritan ONLINE (03/30/2013) [-]
#10 - Dun (03/30/2013) [-]
What is this? Why are so many agreeing with this apparent "advice"? Using sarcasm with a person you've never met can backfire, yes, but if you use it properly, however, and you quickly read what kind of person he or she is before interacting with them, it can make you appear as a confident and humorous person who isn't afraid of being who you are - which often will give a better outcome than just being a careful talker. Anyone with just a bit social skills should be able to comprehend this.
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User avatar #31 - oceanfrank (03/30/2013) [-]
I cant tell you how many times I've lost respect to someone I just met because I can't be serious with them because they're just sarcastic to everyone, even those they barely know. It's funny when we're friends and we're in on it together but just doing it to either look cool or just to do it makes it annoying, not funny.
User avatar #17 - InglushMayjur (03/30/2013) [-]
I have made that mistake many times when I sarcastically invent outlandish conspiracy theories...
User avatar #5 - granadablashlack (03/30/2013) [-]
In the UK this is not an issue...
User avatar #4 - fimo (03/30/2013) [-]
do this all the time FML
#3 - felixjarl (03/30/2013) [-]
And this is why i don't use sarcasm on the Internet.
User avatar #11 - flippytrixfordiner ONLINE (03/30/2013) [-]
I always talk in a sarcastic way, and its the way i normally talk, people always are angry at me :(
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A character with faults is always more interesting than a perfect one. They turned James Bond into a more realistic character in Casino Royale, which ended up being one of the best Bond films. He was still a badass, but he also made a lot of mistakes. They did the same thing in the FX show Justified (if you're familiar with it). In the first season Raylan Givens is pretty much the perfect hero and is always one step a head of the criminals, and then in the second season he's constantly getting outsmarted and having his ass handed to him. I think it's better that way as long as they don't overdo it like in Metroid: Other M where Samus was turned into a helpless and clueless loser.
#12CalistoCoonPosted 11/26/2012 9:20:38 PM
It was just that we've been using the electricity trick on people forever, 47 should of been aware, I knew as soon as it went to a cutscene that 47 was going to get taken out.
If you are going to have the protagonist fail in a cutscene, don't make it so predictable.
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What's happening in the nation's capital this week isn't the culmination of an ideological divide, but rather a desperate assault in an ideological war from which Congressional Republicans have no intention of retreating. The biggest mistake the president could make at this juncture is calculating that sanity, responsibility or the preponderance of public opinion will somehow save the day.
The temporary shutdown of the federal government, while stupid and incalculably insensitive to the people whose lives it will disrupt, is nothing relative to the looming catastrophe should Congress allow the United States to default on its debt, an event that seems more and more likely.
Although we've been close to this precipice, we've no precedent against which to measure the consequences for Congress' refusal to raise the debt ceiling. As Derek Thompson wrote for The Atlantic:
"The truly scary thing about going over the debt cliff isn't what we think will happen-a scramble to prioritize payments, delayed checks to groups like veterans and senior citizens, and angry, confused investors.
"The truly scary thing is that we actually have no idea what will happen. We don't know if it's even possible for the government to prioritize payments to millions of different clients."
In other words, failure to raise the debt ceiling would without question wipe out the nation's economic recovery, but it could be much worse.
A number of legal scholars have suggested the President Barack Obama has the constitutional authority under the Section Four of the Fourteenth Amendment to simply ignore the debt limit, a suggestion that the White House has rejected.
Obama's reticence is understandable, but the House may leave him no option short of capitulation, which would be a betrayal of the millions of uninsured Americans who today began shopping for coverage plans.
Given the stakes, you'd expect that Republicans would feel the gravity of their actions over the weekend. Instead, they were absolutely giddy.
Members of right wing of the Republican party are well aware of the backlash that occurred after the last government shutdown; they simply don't care.
We can only hope that the specter of economic calamity will rouse them from their fantasy.
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There will be highs of 20C in the south. Credit: Met Office
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The rain is likely to spread across the rest of Wales and into Northern Ireland through the evening.
Maximum temperatures reaching 22 Celsius across the London area.
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These will gradually ease to leave a better end to the day.
Most of us will see a big improvement by early evening with some late sunshine.
Highs of 20C at best and a little close feeling where it stays grey and damp this afternoon.
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Another remarkably cold night for the time of year.
Temperatures will fall near freezing point tonight with even a touch of frost possible in rural spots.
Tomorrow, bright or sunny spells initially before cloud rolls into Northern Ireland and the south-west bringing the first signs of rain later.
Staying cool for mid August - we'll have to wait another week or so for things to warm up again.
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Southwestern areas are set to remain largely dry.
It will feel chilly in the north, while temperatures of 21 Celsius (70F) are likely in the southeast.
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You're getting it wrong. Making applications cross-platform isn't a means to bring more people to Linux, but rather to lessen the impact of applications on OS choice, i.e. it makes it less of a hassle for people to use the same application across platforms. In other words, it's not going to convince people to switch, but it won't impede their decision either.
You're basing your argument on the premise that making exclusive applications would bring people over to another OS, but there's no indication that this would happen. In fact, most Linux applications are *not* available on Windows, and yet this doesn't seem to have convinced people to switch - despite the fact that there are *excellent* Linux apps.
Your suggestion would only make life harder for people who use the same apps over many platforms (a trend which ultimately makes the platform irrelevant) without giving *any* guarantees that it would make more people switch. Personally, I'll side with convenience (and more open-source software on *all* OSes) rather than some dubious strategy based on exclusivity.
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Python gets it right (well better at least) with
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You don't if the module does its exporting right, and most do.
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There is no ambiguity in how it's done in python and after 4 years of python, I've never had a problem or even heard a complaint about that. Howver, squishing it into Perl would be hard because you'd have to make it live side-by-side with the currently absolute package names and without introducing new syntax, you would have ambiguity and confusion.
Python doesn't provide any syntax for addressing packages with using an absolute name. You can do it but by digging around in sys.modules but it's not part of the language as such.
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• 1. 9.0EPIDEMIOLOGY OF ADULT BRAIN CANCER STATEMENT TO THE PUBLIC The reviewers expressed their judgments using two distinct sets of guidelines to evaluate the evidence: • Using the traditional guidelines of the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) for adult brain cancer, their classifications for EMFs was “possible human carcinogen” (IARC’s Group 2B). Panels convened by IARC and the National Institutes for Environmental Health Sciences on the other hand thought the evidence was “inadequate” to make a classification (IARC’s Group 3). • Using the Guidelines developed especially for the California EMF program, one of the reviewers was “prone to believe” that high residential EMFs cause some degree of increased risk of adult brain cancer, and the other two were “close to the dividing line between believing or not believing.” There are several reasons for the differences between the DHS reviewers and those of IARC. The three DHS scientists thought there were reasons why animal and test tube experiments might have failed to pick up a mechanism or a health problem; hence, the absence of much support from such animal and test tube studies did not reduce their confidence much or lead them to strongly distrust epidemiological evidence from statistical studies in human populations. They therefore had more faith in the quality of the epidemiological studies in human populations and hence gave more credence to them. Adult brain cancer has an incidence of around 1/10,000 per year. If one doubled this rate to 2/10,000 per year and accumulated it over a lifetime of continuous high exposure one would accumulate a lifetime risk of 1%. Thus the vast majority (99%) of highly exposed people would still not contract this disease. Furthermore, calculations suggest that the fraction of all cases of adult brain cancer that one could attribute to EMFs would be no more than a few percent of the total cases (if any). Nevertheless, if EMFs do contribute to the cause of this condition, even the low fractions of attributable cases and the size of accumulated lifetime risk of highly exposed individuals could be of concern to regulators. Indeed, when deemed a real cause, estimated lifetime risks smaller than this (1/100,000) have triggered regulatory evaluation and, sometimes, actual regulation of chemical agents such as airborne benzene. The uncommon, accumulated high-EMF exposures implicated by the evidence about these conditions come from unusual configurations of wiring in walls, grounded plumbing, nearby power lines, and exposure from some jobs in electrical occupations. There are ways to avoid these uncommon accumulated exposures by maintaining a distance from some appliances, changes in home wiring and plumbing, and power lines. However, to put things in perspective, individual decisions about things like buying a house or choosing a jogging route should involve the consideration of well-recognized certain risks, such as those from traffic, fire, flood, and crime, as well as the uncertain comparable risks from EMFs. The EMF Program’s policy analysis required each of the three DHS scientists to express in numbers their individual professional judgments that the added personal risk suggested by the epidemiological studies was “real.” They did this as a numerical “degree of certainty” on a scale of 0 to 100. The three scientists each came up with a graph that depicts their best judgments with a little “x” and the margin of uncertainty with a shaded bar: The differences in certainty between the three reviewers arises primarily from how sure they were that they could rule out study flaws or other explanatory agents and how much the evidence on one disease influenced certainty in the findings for other diseases. CONDITION REVIE- IARC CERTAINTY PHRASE DEGREE OF CERTAINTY FOR POLICY ANALYSIS THAT AN AGENT (EMFS) INCREASES WER CLASS DISEASE RISK TO SOME DEGREE Adult Brain Cancer 0 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 95 100 1 2B Prone to believe x 2 2B Close to dividing line x 3 2B Close to dividing line x9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 165California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 2. Study No. Individual Lower Upper 9.1 THE PATTERN OF EPIDEMIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE Odds Ratio, CL CL Mean Adult Brain Cancer 100.00 (Guberan, 1989) 6 1.18 0.30 4.72 (Speers MA, 1988) 7 3.94 1.52 10.20 (Thomas et al., 1987) 8 2.30 1.30 4.20 (Milham, 1985b) 9 1.23 1.01 1.49 (Coggon et al., 1986) 10 2.00 0.95 4.20 10.00 (McMillan, 1983) 11 1.00 0.25 4.00 Risk (Thierault, 1994) 12 1.54 0.85 2.81 Risk Ratio RR=1.2 (Savitz & Loomis, 1995) 13 1.68 1.26 2.23 RR=1.5 RR=2.0 (Ryan et al., 1992) 14 0.75 0.30 1.89 (Magnani et al., 1987) 15 1.30 0.70 2.50 1.00 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 (Loomis & Savitz, 1990) 16 1.40 1.10 1.70 (Preston-Martin et al, 1987) 17 1.45 0.66 3.18 (Tynes et al., 1992) 18 1.09 0.91 1.30 (Sahl et al., 1993) 19 1.09 0.44 2.69 0.10 (Spinelli, 1991) 20 1.94 0.97 3.88 Study Number (Gallagher et al., 1991) 21 1.21 0.95 1.54 (Olin et al., 1985) 22 1.05 0.26 4.20 Figure 9.1.1 Studies of Adult Brain Cancer Derived Primarily from Kheifets et al. (1995) (Tornqvist et al., 1991) 23 1.00 0.85 1.17 1 Figure 9.1.1 and Table 9.1.1 summarize the epidemiological evidence for adult brain (Juutilainen et al., 1990) 24 0.95 0.63 1.43 2 cancer which is primarily occupational in nature. Of the 29 studies reviewed by Kheifets (Schlehofer et al., 1990) 25 1.87 0.90 4.10 3 (Kheifets et al., 1995) in her meta-analysis, 23 had ORs above 1.00 (p = 0.0004), and 15 (Floderus, 1993) 26 1.22 0.88 1.71 4 were above 1.2 (p = 0.14). The meta-analytic summary of (Kheifets et al., 1995) for the (Preston-Martin, 1989) 27 1.25 0.82 1.90 5 occupational studies was 1.2 (1.1-1.3). If one adds the residential exposure studies of (Demers et al., 1991) 28 0.90 0.50 1.60 6 Wrensch, Li, and Feychting (Wrensch et al., 1999), (Li, Theriault & Lin, 1997), (Feychting (Guenel et al., 1993) 29 0.97 0.89 1.05 7 & Ahlbom, 1994), (Feychting et al., 1997) one sees a similar pattern. The three other (Wrensch et al., 1999) 30 1.70 0.80 3.60 8 studies that focused on Scandinavian electrical railway workers with exposures in the 10 (Feychting & Ahlbom, 1994) 31 0.70 0.40 1.30 (Li et al., 1997) 32 1.10 0.90 1.30 9 to 100 µT range (Tynes et al., 1994a), (Floderus et al., 1994), and (Alfredsson et al.,10 1996) did not show high relative risks (see table 9.1.2). On the contrary, RR were close11 to 1.0 with confidence limits which included a RR of 1.2. TABLE 9.1.1 KEY FOR FIGURE 9.1.1 Study No. Individual Lower Upper Odds Ratio, CL CL Mean (Pearce et al., 1989) 1 1.01 0.56 1.82 (McLaughlin et al., 1987) 2 1.08 0.98 1.20 (Lin et al., 1985) 3 1.62 1.12 2.34 (Vagero et al., 1985) 4 0.98 0.41 2.35 (Tornqvist et al., 1986) 5 1.15 0.80 1.64 9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 166 California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 3. TABLE 9.1.2 M ORE DETAILS OF THE STUDIES REVIEWED INVESTIGATOR, DATE STUDY POPULATION METHOD FOR EXPOSURE STUDY RISK RISK ESTIMATE ESTIMATE TYPE MEASURE (Pearce et al., 1989) New Zealand: All male cancer patients in Cancer Job title CC OR 1.01 (0.56-1.82) Registry, 1980-1984. 431 cases; 19,904 controls. (McLaughlin et al., 1987) Sweden: Cancer Environment Registry, 1961-1979. Occupation and industry codes Cohort SIR 1.08 (0.98-1.20) 3,394 cases. (Lin et al., 1985) USa: 951 deaths, 1969-1982. Usual occupation & industry on Mortality OR 1.62 (1.12-2.34) death certificate (Vagero et al., 1985) Sweden: Incidence among 2,918 workers at 3 work Employment at Cohort SMR 0.98 (0.41-2.35) sites, 1958-1979. 5 CNS cases. telecommunication work sites (Tornqvist et al., 1986) Sweden: Incidence among 10,061 utility workers, 1961- Job titles Cohort SMR 1.15 (0.80-1.64) 1979. 30 cases CNS cancer. (Guberan, 1989) Switzerland: Incidence among 3,864 workers, 1971- Job titles Cohort SMR 1.18 (0.30-4.72) 1984. 3 cases. (Speers MA, 1988) US: Male residents, east Texas, 1969-1978. 202 cases; Usual occupation and industry on Mortality OR 3.94 (1.52-10.2) 238 controls. death certificate (Thomas et al., 1987) US: White males in Northeast, 1978-1981. 435 cases; Occupation & industry codes Mortality OR 2.30 (1.30-4.20) 386 controls. (Milham, 1985b) US: Males working in electrical occupations, 1950-1982. Death certificate occupation PMR PMR 1.23 (1.01-1.49) 2,649 Brain cancer deaths, 12,714 controls. (Coggon et al., 1986) England: 2,942 males diagnosed with cancer, 97 CNS Occupation and industry from PMR PMR 2.00 (0.95-4.20) cancers as cases, other cancers as controls. postal questionnaire (Theriault et al., 1994) Canada & France: 223,292 electrical utility workers, Job titles and measurements CC OR 1.54 (0.85-2.81) employed from 1970-1989, 108 brain cancer cases. (Savitz & Loomis, 1995) US: 138,905 electrical utility workers, employed Job titles and measurements Cohort RR 1.68 (1.26-2.23) between 1950-1988. 151 Brain cancer cases. (Ryan et al., 1992) Australia: All incidents of primary brain tumors in adults. Job titles CC OR 0.75 (0.30-1.89) 190 brain tumor cases. (Magnani et al., 1987) England: 1,265 males, 1959-1963 and 1965-1979. 423 Occupation and industrial codes Mortality OR 1.30 (0.70-2.50) brain cancer deaths. plus job exposure matrix (Loomis & Savitz, 1990) US: All brain cancer deaths in 16 states, 1985-1986. Job titles Mortality OR 1.40 (1.10-1.70) (Preston-Martin, 1989) US: Males in L.A. county, 1980-1984. 272 cases. Job titles with high likelihood of CC OR 1.45 (0.66-3.18) EMF exposure9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 167California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 4. INVESTIGATOR, DATE STUDY POPULATION METHOD FOR EXPOSURE STUDY RISK RISK ESTIMATE ESTIMATE TYPE MEASURE (Tynes et al., 1992) Norway: 37,945 male workers, 1961-1985. 119 cases Job title Cohort 1.09 (0.91-1.30) brain cancer. SIR Engine Drivers 0.67 (0.2-1.6) (Sahl et al., 1993) US: 36,221 electrical utility workers, 1960-1988. 32 Job titles and measurements Cohort RR 1.09 (0.44-2.69) brain cancer deaths. (Spinelli, 1991) Canada: 4,213 aluminum reduction plant workers, 1954- Job activity Cohort SIR 1.94 (0.97-3.88) 1985. 8 incidences of brain cancer. (Gallagher et al., 1991) Canada: 320,423 male deaths, 1950-1984. 55 brain Job titles PMR PMR 1.21 (.95-1.54) cancer deaths. (Olin et al., 1985) Sweden: 1,254 electrical engineering graduates. 2 brain MS degree in electrical Cohort SMR 1.05 (0.26-4.20) cancer deaths, 1930-1979. engineering, RIT (Tornqvist et al., 1991) Sweden: All men working in electrical occupations, Job titles Cohort SMR 1.00 (0.85-1.17) 1961-1979. 250 cases of brain tumors. (Juutilainen et al., 1990) Finland: Male industrial workers, 1971-1980. 366 Broad job category Cohort RR 0.95 (0.63-1.43) incident brain tumors. (Schlehofer et al., 1990) Germany (Heidelberg region): 1987-1988. 226 incident Job activities CC OR 1.87 (0.90-4.10) brain tumors, 418 controls. (Floderus, 1993) Sweden: 1983-1987. 261 brain tumor cases, 1,121 Job activities and measurements CC OR 1.22 (0.88-1.71) controls. (Preston-Martin, 1989) US: L.A. county, 1972-1985. 8612 incident brain tumors. Broad job category PMR PIR 1.25 (0.8-1.9) (Demers et al., 1991) US: Washington State, 1969-1978. 904 brain cancer Job titles Mortality OR 0.90 (0.5-1.6) deaths (Guenel et al., 1993) Denmark: 2.8 persons, 537 brain cancers. Job titles Cohort RR 0.97 (0.9-1.1) (McMillan, 1983) 2,568 men employed at HM Dockyard Devonport 1955- Job activity PMR PMR 1.00 (0.3-4.0) 1975 (UK). (Welders) (Wrensch et al., 1999) 492 incident gliomas. Front door spot measures 73 mG CC OR 1.7 (0.8-3.6) 462 RDD controls. (Feychting & Ahlbom, 223 incident CNS cancer cases. Historically-estimated residential Nested OR 0.7 (0.4-1.3) 1994) 446 pop. controls. fields at diagnosis > 2 mG CC (Feychting et al., 1997) 223 incident CNS cancer cases. Historical fields > 2 mG Nested OR 1.3 (0.0-4.8) 446 pop. controls. occupational JEM > 2 mG CC Exp both vs. Exp neither (Li et al., 1997) 577 incident brain cancer cases. Calculated historical magnetic CC OR 1.1 (0.9-1.3) 552 "other cancer" controls. field with field validation > 2mG9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 168California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 5. INVESTIGATOR, DATE STUDY POPULATION METHOD FOR EXPOSURE STUDY RISK RISK ESTIMATE ESTIMATE TYPE MEASURE (Wertheimer & Leeper, Death addresses of 1,179 cancer deaths matched with Wire code CC Ratio of C ratio = 227 for “Nerv. 1987) addresses of non-cancer deaths or random sample from discordant to System” city directory of Denver. concordant matched pairs = “Cratio” (Miller et al., 1996) 24 Malignant (MT) JEM magnetic and electric fields Nested OR for > 345 BT 0.53 11 Benign Brain (BT) to job history CC V/m-yrs MT 0.99 2,179 Controls OR for > 7.1 BT0.03-105 µT-yrs MT 2.4 vs ref. 0.5-10.8 (Tynes et al., 1994a) 39 Brain ca, 194 controls from 13,300 electric and non- JEM linked to job history of Nested OR Reference: 1.0 Norwegian electric train workers. magnetic and electric fields, CC 0.1-310 0.81 (0.3-2.0) control for smoking, creosote, 311-3600 0.94 (0.4-2.3) pesticides µT-yrs (Floderus et al., 1994) Incident brain cancer (8 engine drivers and 16 Job title Cohort SIR Engineers 1.1 (0.6-2.2) conductors) rates compared to general Swedish Conductors 1.3 (0.8-2.1) population, 1961-1969 (Alfredsson et al., 1996) Incident astrocytoma (10 engineers, 2 conductors) rates Job title Cohort SIR Engineers 1.0 (0.5-1.8) compared to general Swedish population, 1976-1990. Conductors 0.8 (0.1-3.6) (Guenel et al., 1996) 69 Incident brain tumors. JEM electric fields to job history Nested OR for > 387 3.1 (1.1-8.7) 276 Controls. CC V/m arithmetic mean9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 169California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 6. 9.2 ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST CAUSALITYTABLE 9.2.1 CHANCE AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY(A1) Most of the studies are not statistically significant. (F1) Meta-analysis can help understand the pattern of evidence in (C1) The reviewers think chance alone is an epidemiological studies as well as experiments. unlikely explanation so that a non- chance explanation including a causal one is relatively more likely.(A2) Meta-analysis is not appropriate for anything but (F2) Attending only to statistically significant results avoids false randomized trials. positives, while meta-analysis may avoid false negatives.(A3) Chance probably contributes a lot in the apparent (F3) Both the meta-analysis and the sign test on ORs above and pattern of evidence. below 1.00 suggest that chance alone is not a likely explanation.(A4) Many of these studies have multiple comparisons so (F4) The later occupational studies had brain cancer and cutpoints “p-values” are over-interpreted. pre-specified.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 170California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 7. TABLE 9.2.2 BIAS AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARYResidential Studies (F1) These objections were raised with regard to (C1) The generic possibility of bias when there is weak Wertheimer’s childhood studies too, yet the Savitz, experimental and mechanistic support is not a(A1) Wertheimers (Wertheimer & Leeper, 1987) study London et al., and Feychting studies showed strong argument against causality because bias can was not blind as to wire code. associations with proximity to power lines, even affect the risk estimate in either direction. though these studies evaluated incident cases blindly.(A2) Wertheimer’s use of deaths might have made the (F2) One should require some evidence for specific bias (C2) The universal problem of non-differential exposure bad survival of poor people and the prevalence of before pulling down confidence because of bias. misclassification tending to underestimate an effect poor people near power lines introduce a bias. would lead us to worry about underestimating the effect.Occupational Studies(A3) Studies with better measurement protocols did not (F3) It is not clear how much better these later studies (C3) In sum, the issue of bias does not change the show larger effects, which shows that the exposure were at reconstructing historic TWAs, much less the reviewers confidence much; it pulls confidence misclassification had not been a problem. Our reconstruction of other exposure metrics. down a little or not at all. inability to rule out bias should pull down confidence a lot.(A4) Perhaps researchers didn’t publish null study (F4) Kheifets (Kheifets et al., 1995) concluded that associations or results. publication bias was unlikely.(A5) There is little or no experimental animal pathology (F5) If one has a rule of thumb that all controversial or mechanistic support for a causal interpretation of bodies of evidence are by default due to some associations seen, so they must be due to bias or unspecified bias, one will avoid false positives but confounding. also introduce false negatives. (F6) If there is any bias in all these studies, it is downward from non-differential exposure misclassification.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 171California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 8. TABLE 9.2.3 CONFOUNDING AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY(A1) There are not many known risk factors for brain (F1) By assuming without good experimental and (C1) One can never rule out confounding. cancer, so one cannot control for them in the mechanistic support, hidden unknown confounders analysis. as a default explanation for results, one avoids false positives but produce false negatives.(A2) There is little or no experimental animal pathology (F2) One should require positive evidence of a (C2) However, confounding can affect the risk estimates or mechanistic support for a causal interpretation of confounder to have it pull down confidence. either way. associations seen, so they must be due to bias or confounding. (F3) So far known risk factors such as ionizing radiation have not been associated with EMF exposure or confounded the EMF brain cancer association. (F4) The possibility of unspecified confounding without any supporting evidence should not decrease confidence.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 172California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 9. TABLE 9.2.4 STRENGTH OF ASSOCIATION ( LARGE ENOUGH TO BE CAUSE AND NOT BIAS?) AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY(A1) The association between adult brain cancer and (F1) Occupational and environmental agents may (C1) The effect may be intrinsically weak, so low ORs highly exposed jobs and estimated exposures has convey a risk which truly is not large enough to be should not be construed as an argument against been estimated meta-analytically as an odds ratio of easily detected by epidemiological studies, causality. An OR slightly above the resolution power only 1.2. Many of the individual studies did not particularly when they can only estimate historical of the body studies pulls up confidence in a modest reach statistical significance and should have been exposure with surrogate measures. An association, effect of causality somewhat but not as much as a ignored. albeit small relative to the resolution power of the strong association would whose strength would body of studies, increases confidence somewhat. make unidentified bias and confounding less likely.(A2) This is barely above the resolution power of the (F2) One needs to invoke one upward bias in all 28 (C2) The size of the association provides an additional combined studies. The absence of a strong studies of different design and different location or a penalty for bias and confounding but not a large association should pull down confidence in a causal series of different biases that are only upward. one. explanation for this association a lot because a Unknown biases can be downward also. small association is much more vulnerable to any confounding and bias.(A3) Some of the early, less well-designed studies had (F3) Because of exposure misclassification, the true higher risk ratios and may have skewed the meta- association may be larger, and therefore less analysis upward. vulnerable to bias than one would think.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 173California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 10. TABLE 9.2.5 CONSISTENCY AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY(A1) One should only consider studies with statistically (F1) Only heeding statistically significant results instead (C1) The body of epidemiological evidence on significant associations. of the overall pattern of evidence, it is true, avoids occupational exposures (and to some extent on false-positive results but is a strategy that produces residential exposures) for adult brain cancer is too many false negatives. consistent with an effect just above the resolution power of the various studies.(A2) The majority of the occupational and residential (F2) Of 29 studies, 23 showed ORs above 1.00 when, by (C2) If the effect were statistically significant in all studies studies do not show statistically significant results. chance, 14 would have been expected. The p-value (which is tantamount to saying an association that is This is a random pattern of evidence and should pull for 23/29 = 0.0004. The associations are pretty large relative to the resolution power of the studies), down the reviewers’ degree of certainty a lot. consistently above the null. it would have increased confidence a lot. (C3) The few residential studies do not alter the confidence. They are consistent with the occupational evidence but do not stand on their own.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 174California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 11. TABLE 9.2.6 HOMOGENEITY AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY(A1) Most of these associations are not statistically (F1) If EMFs were promoters requiring the presence of (C1) The various results, occupational and residential, significant and thus not consistent or homogeneous. initiators whose prevalence varies from place to are consistent with an association a little above the place, one would expect some inconsistency above resolution power of the studies. and beyond that created by statistical imprecision.(A2) Kheifets (Kheifets et al., 1995) shows less of an (F2) Perhaps Scandinavia lacks some co-factor. The association in Scandinavia and in studies with good Scandinavian studies tended to have less exact designs. exposure assessment.(A3) Later studies show less of an effect. (F3) In Kheifets, the average RR of studies fell from 1.29 in 1985 to 1.12 in 1994, only a 13% decrease.(A4) The 16/29 better quality studies in Kheifetz show a (F4) In her meta-analysis of occupational brain cancer smaller association. RR =1.06 (1.0-1.12). studies, Kheifets (Kheifets et al., 1995) found the summary results not sensitive to adding or subtracting individual studies and consistent with a RR of 1.2 ( 1.1-1.33). (F5) The three “best studies” in Kheifetss meta analysis (Floderus, Theriault, and Savitz) averaged to RR above 1.2 from exposures above the 50th percentile (but showed no monotonic increasing dose response).9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 175California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 12. TABLE 9.2.7 DOSE RESPONSE AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY(A1) Even in occupational studies where cases tended to (F1) It is true that the presence of an orderly monotonic (C1) The evidence does not suggest an effect that is have higher estimated exposures than did controls, dose response within and between studies is large compared to the resolution power of the there was not an orderly monotonic increase in extremely unlikely by chance or bias and when studies at any dose. Nor does it suggest an effect relative risk. present would pull up confidence a lot. that becomes ever larger at extremely high occupational exposures. A similar pattern is observed for adult leukemia, where electric train engineers have RRs not much different from utility workers with lower exposures.(A2) There was no consistent increase in risk estimated (F2) But it is not guaranteed that a suspected promoter (C2) A promoter or co-promoter truly may not have a by studies investigating occupational groups acting indirectly on carcinogenisis would always monotonically increasing dose response. exposed to levels of 2-5 mG (residence near power convey linearly increasing risk as dose increased, lines), 10-20 mG (most heavily exposed electrical as is the case with some initiators. occupations), and 70-150 mG (electrical train operators) (see (Floderus et al., 1994), (Tynes et al., 1994a), (Alfredsson et al., 1996), (Tynes et al., 1992)). This lack of dose response should pull confidence down a lot. (F3) The effect, if real, is not very large relative to the (C3) Exposure misclassification can mask dose- resolution power of the body of evidence so it would response relationships (Dosemeci et al., 1990), be difficult to discern the shape of a dose response (DelPizzo, 1992). curve in any case. (F4) The approximate methods for reconstructing historical exposures makes this even more difficult. (F5) Using TWA, which may not be the right metric, makes it more difficult still. (F6) The absence of dose response should not pull down confidence much. (F7) Exposure misclassification can mask dose response trends.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 176California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 13. TABLE 9.2.8 COHERENCE/VISIBILITY AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY(A1) Everyone is exposed to electricity, so an epidemic (F1) There has been an increase in the incidence of (C1) To the extent that it suggests anything, the of brain cancer should have been seen as the use brain cancer over the last twenty years. epidemiology suggests that the associations appear of electricity increased. in the top percentiles of exposure. An OR of 1.2 applied to the risk of the top 5% of the population would increase the overall rate by a factor of 1.01, not something which would be visible as an epidemic. (C2) The increase in brain cancer incidence may be partly due to better diagnosis. Since it is hard to assess how personal EMF exposure has changed in the last 20 years, the reviewers do not think scrutiny of temporal trends in brain cancer is reliable enough to contribute to the confidence of EMF causality.TABLE 9.2.9 EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY(A1) Animal bioassays have shown no increased risk of (F1) Animal bioassays of one aspect of a complex (C1) The animal evidence does not increase confidence nervous system tumors. mixture which, if it has any effect, is not linear in risk but does not pull it down greatly. at high dose, are not highly sensitive. Null results do not pull down confidence as much as positive results should pull them up. (F2) Experimental studies showing bioeffects at high doses, and isolated studies showing co-promotional effects on other types of cancer should increase confidence somewhat.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 177California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 14. TABLE 9.2.10 PLAUSIBILITY AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY(A1) There is no coherent mechanistic chain of events (F1) Many agents do not have mechanistic explanations (C1) The absence of a mechanistic explanation does not that suggests EMFs as a contributory cause of CNS pull down confidence as much as the presence of cancer. one would pull it up.TABLE 9.2.11 ANALOGY AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARYSee generic discussion.TABLE 9.2.12 TEMPORALITY AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARYSee generic discussion.TABLE 9.2.13 SPECIFICITY AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY(A1) There is no greater association that is statistically (F1) Kheifets (Kheifets et al., 1995) mentions a slight See "Generic Issues" chapter. significant with particular cell types. tendency for gliomas to show a stronger association.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 178California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 15. TABLE 9.2.14 OTHER DISEASE ASSOCIATIONS AGAINST CAUSALITY FOR CAUSALITY COMMENT AND SUMMARYSee "Generic Issues" chapter.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 179California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 16. TABLE 9.2.15 SUMMARY TABLE FOR ADULT BRAIN CANCER HOW LIKELY IS THIS ATTRIBUTE OF THE EVIDENCE UNDER: ATTRIBUTE OF THE EVIDENCE "NO-EFFECT" HYPOTHESIS CAUSAL HYPOTHESIS HOW MUCH AND IN WHAT DIRECTION DOES THIS ATTRIBUTE CHANGE CONFIDENCE?Chance highly unlikely in meta-analysis. Unlikely Need non-chance explanationUpward bias not supported. Possible Possible No impact to slight decreaseConfounding possible but not supported. More possible Possible No impact to slight decreaseCombined effect of chance, bias, More possible Possible No impact to slight decrease confounding.Strength of association doesn’t exceed More possible Possible No impact to slight decrease possible bias or confounding.Consistency: 23/29 studies have RR = 1.0. Unlikely Likely IncreaseHomogeneity: less association in Possible Possible No impact to slight decrease Scandinavian studies but compatible with effect near resolution power of studies.Coherent with national and temporal trends. Possible Possible No impactExperimental evidence shows no effect on Possible Possible No impact to slight decrease CNS cancer, but other experimental data suggest bioactivity.Plausibility: lack of strong mechanistic Possible Possible No impact to slight increase explanation (chicks, MCF-7).Analogy. Possible Possible No impactTemporality. NA NA No impactNo specificity of cell type, leukemia Possible More possible No impact to slight increase association.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 180California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 17. 24 IARC Classification: The animal and mechanistic streams of evidence provide little if any 9.3 POSTERIOR (UPDATED) DEGREE OF CERTAINTY AND IARC 25 support. The epidemiological evidence as usually assessed by IARC would not eliminate CLASSIFICATION 26 all doubts of possible confounding or bias yet it is highly unlikely to be due to chance. In 27 fact, it looks similar to the evidence for adult lymphocytic leukemia except that there is no 9.3.1 STATEMENTS OF INDIVIDUAL REVIEWERS 28 cell type specificity for adult brain cancer. This warrants a Possible (2B) carcinogen IARC 1 Reviewer 1 (DelPizzo) 29 classification, “limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans and less than sufficient 30 evidence of carcinogenicity in experimental animals.” 2 Degree of Certainty: The evidence regarding this endpoint has attributes very similar to 3 those of childhood leukemia, with the dose-response relationship being less clear, but 31 Reviewer 3 (Lee) 4 the consistency of results being even stronger and the plausibility being increased by 5 having already established a high degree of certainty for the childhood leukemia risk. 32 Degree of Certainty: The meta-analysis for the occupational brain cancer studies 6 This reviewer is “prone to believe” that EMFs increase the risk of adult brain cancer to 33 indicates a slightly higher risk for electrical workers. As a result, this reviewer’s posterior 7 some degree. For the purpose of policy analysis, this reviewer would use values between 34 for a relative risk around 1.2 is considerably increased from the initial prior by a 8 60 and 100, with a median of 80 in a certainty scale from 0-100. 35 consistent association slightly above the resolution power of the many occupational 36 studies and by the positive association of EMF with childhood and adult leukemia. The 9 IARC classification: “Possible Human Carcinogen, 2B.” 37 childhood brain cancer results do not increase the confidence in adult brain cancer. This 38 reviewer’s posterior is only slightly decreased by the fact that for most of the studies,10 Reviewer 2 (Neutra) 39 confounding and bias cannot be completely ruled out and by the lack of a dose response. 40 Given the rudimentary way exposure is classified, weak associations such as these are11 Degree of Certainty: The overall pattern of epidemiological associations is compatible 41 to be expected; a stronger effect may be observed if exposure classification was not as12 with an effect a little above the resolution power of the body of studies, and the best 42 crude. Also, dose-response effects are difficult to detect using such surrogate measures13 occupational studies are compatible with a slightly greater effect. The fact that the 43 for exposure. The classified groups may not even indicate a gradient of high to low14 association is so near the resolution power of the epidemiology leaves it more vulnerable 44 exposure. Hence, this reviewer is “close to the dividing line between believing and not15 to unspecified bias and confounding, but not so much, with so many studies of different 45 believing that EMFs increase the risk of adult brain cancer to some degree. For16 design and location, that one’s confidence is decreased substantially. The lack of 46 purposes of the policy analysis, she would select 60 with a range of 30 to 75 on a17 obvious animal pathology or mechanistic support pulls confidence down somewhat, but 47 certainty scale ranging from 0 to 100.18 the epidemiological evidence remains and moves ones degree of certainty substantially19 upward from wherever it started. For the purposes of the policy projects, reviewers need 48 IARC Classification: The human evidence is credible but bias and confounding cannot be20 to quantify their degree of certainty and uncertainty. This reviewer is “close to the dividing 49 completely ruled out. The associations observed are weak, however; the strong21 line between believing and not believing" that EMFs increase the risk of adult brain 50 consistency of slightly positive effects has a very low probability of being explained by22 cancer to some degree. In a certainty scale from 0 to100, he would select 51 and a range 51 chance alone. The animal studies are less than sufficient. There is support from positive23 form 30 to 70. 52 findings associated with leukemia. The evidence as a whole is sufficient for a Group 2B 53 classification, “possibly carcinogenic to humans.” 9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 181 California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 18. 9.3.2 SUMMARY OF THE THREE REVIEWERS ’ CLASSIFICATIONS CONDITION REVIE- IARC CERTAINTY PHRASE DEGREE OF CERTAINTY FOR POLICY ANALYSIS THAT AN AGENT (EMFS) INCREASES DISEASE WER CLASS RISK TO SOME DEGREE Adult Brain Cancer 0 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 95 100 1 2B Prone to believe x 2 2B Close to dividing line x 3 2B Close to dividing line x9.4.1 QUESTIONS RELEVANT TO DOSE RESPONSE AND P OLICYTABLE 9.4.1 HOW CONFIDENT ARE THE REVIEWERS THAT SPECIFIC EXPOSURE METRIC OR ASPECT OTHER THAN 60 HZ TWA MAGNETIC FIELD IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DISEASE? COMMENT AND SUMMARY IMPACT ON POLICY(C1) Guenel (Guenel et al., 1996) found an OR 3.08 (1.08-8.74) for electric field above 387 volt/meter with 12 cases. Miller (Miller et al., 1996) (I1) No consistent reported an OR of 0.53 (0.03-8.10) for the possibility of an electric field effect. But Guenel and Miller explored the associations between many guidance possible. diseases and many metrics of exposure. Some were bound to come out “significant.” Evidence for magnetic field is(C2) Sahl systematically explored associations with various metrics and found none. stronger.(C3) The evidence for or against electric-field effects and brain cancer are not extensive or clear enough to affect confidence.(C4) Floderus (Floderus, 1993) shows slight tendency for “time above 2 mG” to show stronger association than “TWA.” The reverse was the case for the leukemias. There is not strong support for one or the other summary exposure metric.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 182California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 19. TABLE 9.4.2 EVIDENCE FOR THRESHOLD OR PLATEAU COMMENT AND SUMMARY IMPACT ON POLICY(C1) The cross-study comparison does not suggest a steady increase in risk over the wide range of human exposure, but the data is insufficient to (I1) No ability to set locate a plateau or threshold, if any. refined exposure standards.(C2) The evidence is not extensive enough or of such quality to alter ones confidence in the presence or location of thresholds or plateaus.TABLE 9.4.3 EVIDENCE FOR BIOLOGICAL WINDOWS OF VULNERABILITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY IMPACT ON POLICY(C1) The fact there is an association with (primarily) daytime workshift exposures and perhaps a hint of (primarily) nighttime residential associations (I1) There is no reason to would not much support the idea of diurnal differences in vulnerability. suspect vulnerable periods.TABLE 9.4.4 CONSISTENT INDUCTION PERIOD OR REQUIRED DURATION OF EXPOSURE COMMENT AND SUMMARY IMPACT ON POLICY(C1) The scant evidence is contradictory. Thieriault et al. (Thierault, 1994) suggest a long latency. (I1) If causal, concern would not be(C2) Sahl (Sahl et al., 1993) found no pattern. restricted to(C3) Savitz (Savitz & Loomis, 1995) and Guenel (Guenel et al., 1996) suggest shorter incubation periods. populations with decades of exposure.(C4) There is weak support for the effect of exposures from the last 5-10 years. This fact makes EMFs more compatible with a promoter than an initiator. One cannot tease out the independent effects, if any, of duration of exposure and interval between first exposure and disease.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 183California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 20. TABLE 9.4.5 EMF COMPARED TO OTHER RISK FACTORS FOR THIS DISEASE COMMENT AND SUMMARY IMPACT ON POLICY(C1) Except for genetic predisposition, the few suspected risk factors for brain cancer have ORs and attributable fractions which also are not large. (I1) No impact. Exposure to ionizing radiation, nitrosamines, head trauma, etc. are all rare and have modest associations. They do not account for much of the burden of brain cancer.(C2) The comparison of the size of the EMF "effect" relative to the effect of other agents has no bearing on the confidence in causality or on policy. Cost benefit policy is driven by relative cost per case avoided, not on comparison with other risk factors.TABLE 9.4.6 RELATIVE RISK COMPARED TO THAT WHICH WOULD GENERATE 1/1000 OR 1/100,000 THEORETICAL LIFETIME RISK COMMENT AND SUMMARY IMPACT ON POLICY(C1) A relative risk of 1.2 applied to the low baseline rate of brain cancer over a 40-year occupational period would not exceed 1/1000 lifetime risk (I1) Might be considered but would exceed 1/100,000. de minimis for regulatory purposes for occupational exposure but not for residential exposure.TABLE 9.4.7 EVIDENCE FOR RACIAL OR CLASS DIFFERENCES IN EXPOSURE OR VULNERABILITY COMMENT AND SUMMARY IMPACT ON POLICY(C1) No evidentiary base. (I1) No evidentiary base.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 184California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 21. TABLE 9.4.8 ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT IN QUALITY OR SIZE IN BEST EXISTING STUDIES COMMENT AND SUMMARY IMPACT ON POLICY(C1) The later residential studies, which have been viewed as “null,” although they are they are compatible with the occupational results, and the (I1) Larger studies and later occupational brain cancer studies, are very sophisticated and large, but not large enough. They are some of the best occupational studies studies of electric done to date. Studies of highly exposed electric train engineers could have been bigger and more detailed. train engineers could be helpful in(C2) Any epidemiological study of brain cancer would have the potential problem of confounding by as yet unknown risk factors. understanding dose response issues.TABLE 9.4.9 NEW STUDIES IN PIPELINE AND ABILITY TO MODIFY ASSESSMENT COMMENT AND SUMMARY IMPACT ON POLICY(C1) Reanalysis of the Harrington study not likely to cancel evidence to date. (I1) NoneTABLE 9.4.10 HOW LIKELY IS IT THAT FURTHER STUDIES COULD RESOLVE CONTROVERSIES? COMMENT AND SUMMARY IMPACT ON POLICY(C1) Job exposure matrix studies of magnetic and electric fields, contact currents, and shocks using a variety of exposure summary metrics could be (I1) Because brain cancer used to reanalyze existing data sets related to a variety of diseases and could guide future experimental studies. is a rare and poorly understood disease it may not provide the most relevant policy information.9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 185California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002
• 22. 13 TWA magnetic field is compatible with a 1.2-fold relative risk which if true would be of 9.5 CONCLUSIONS ON SCIENTIFICALLY RELEVANT ISSUES 14 regulatory concern for long-term environmental exposures but might fall below the de 15 minimis bench mark of 1/1,000 for occupational exposures. 9.5.1 DOSE-RESPONSE ISSUES 1 The associations reported for neighbors of power lines, exposed vs. unexposed electrical 9.5.2 RESEARCH POLICY 2 workers, and exposed vs. unexposed electric train workers all are close to the resolution 3 power of the studies. If there is any effect, it does not seem to increase monotonically 16 The reviewers are not aware of animal or epidemiological studies in the pipeline that are 4 with dose, although the evidentiary base is insufficient for identifying either thresholds or 17 likely to change the overall assessment. Brain cancer has a number of characteristics 5 plateaus of effect. If true, this makes it difficult to assess EMFs in the usual small cancer 18 that make it difficult to study epidemiologically. It is rare, the causes are poorly 6 bioassay which is designed with the assumption that high doses will produce an obvious 19 understood, and they are not always reliably diagnosed as to histological type. 7 effect even in a few hundred animals. The evidence on electric fields is limited and 20 Nonetheless, one or more job exposure matrix studies exploring contact currents, 8 contradictory. The possibility that contact currents or repeated shocks might confound 21 shocks, electric fields, and magnetic fields using various summary exposure metrics 9 magnetic field exposure has been raised for amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (see Chapter 22 would allow one to reanalyze the large occupational cohort and nested case control10 15). There is no evidentiary base to link these other aspects of the EMF mixture to 23 studies to determine if these other aspects of the EMF mixture might better explain the11 magnetic field exposure. If this were confirmed for ALS it would become a hypothesis for 24 associations seen with brain cancer and other diseases. From a policy and logistic point12 other EMF-associated diseases as well. The evidence for something associated with the 25 of view, brain cancer studies are not the highest priority. 9.0 Epidemiology of Adult Brain Cancer 186 California EMF Risk Evaluation June 2002 | http://www.slideshare.net/yashika54/90e | dclm-gs1-025560001 |
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Your editorial on the Tea Party sympathizes with their concerns, but says there is a danger in unstructured movements with “rage” in that they could turn against scapegoats such as Jews (“Tea Party Invites Concerns,” Oct. 8).
The main point of the Tea Party is that government has gotten too large. A government that gets us into trillions of dollars of debt is doing something very wrong, even if a noble-sounding excuse can be found for each spending item. A government that often takes steps to destroy jobs is also (usually) doing something very wrong, even if it’s in the name of “sustainability” or “the environment” or “social justice.”
Sometimes targeted rage is required, though I didn’t see “rage” at the Tea Party event I attended, which incidentally was addressed by a Jewish conservative, a black conservative and others.
There are anti-Israel conservatives, there are anti-Jewish conservatives, but the left has a substantial number of anti-Israel individuals.
We do need a safety net, but perhaps a more stringent safety net might discourage phenomena such as 40 percent of babies in this country being born to single mothers. America has huge problems. Perhaps the Tea Party is the last gasp of an aroused and patriotic and sensible citizenry to address those problems before we become a debt-ridden country of factions dependent on big government for our jobs, if we can get them, and dependent on handouts if we can’t get jobs.
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I am a founding member of a Florida tea party as are several other Jewish acquaintances of mine. None of us has been disparaged by our fellow members. In fact, we have been warmly welcomed. The only question we have been asked is why it is taking so long for the majority of Jews to see what the Left has become - a strong anti-Semitic faction within the Democrat party whose sway increases daily within that political organization. Time to wake up, my fellow Jews. There is nothing to fear from the tea party - but there is much to be admired.
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Silicone-based lubes, Cavanah says, tend to be her customers' favorites. They stay wet for a long time, which is good for extended intercourse. "According to the manufacturer, it will stay wet for 10 years in the lab," she says. But silicone-based lubes may not be the best choice for people using sex toys made of silicone. Cavanah and others who sell them recommend silicone dildos and vibrators over those made of rubber because they're easier to clean. The surface has fewer tiny pores that could trap germs. But she says customers have reported that silicone lubes, over time, seem to react with the silicone toy and make its surface feel tacky, in effect ruining it.
A brand of water-based lube called Eros could be a good stand-in for those who like silicone products and also value their toys. "The water-based Eros really does feel a lot like silicone," Cavanah says. One advantage of water-based lubes, of which there are many other brands, is that they're water-soluble, so they wash away easily. But they dry up faster than silicone-based ones do. Also, Cavanah says female customers have complained that water-based lubes containing glycerin seem to promote vaginal yeast infections -- the idea being that glycerin, a sugar, feeds the yeast naturally present in the vagina. This notion has spread widely around the Internet, but there's scant scientific evidence to support it.
Consistency is another consideration in choosing a lube. The desired consistency depends partly on what you intend to do with it. "The thicker ones are better for anal sex," Cavanah says. Rectal tissue is more fragile than vaginal tissue. A thick lube reduces friction and abrasion more than a thin one does. Besides that, there aren't any rules about consistency. "I think thick lube is great all around," Cavanah says. But try rubbing a dollop between your fingers to get a sense of the consistency, and choose whatever feels best to you.
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Forgot my Admin password to Windows and have oph crack on a CD but how do I boot from CD in GNU grub?
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Normally, you tell the computer BIOS to boot from CD rather than the fixed disk. Sometimes there's even a key to press at startup to bring up a menu. But if that's not possible, there might be a way using GRUB; interesting question, but unfortunately I've never seen anything other than hard disk designators in grub. – Marty Fried Oct 10 '12 at 23:35
When you say "Admin password" do you mean a BIOS boot pw, or a password only on Windows>? – Thomas W. Oct 10 '12 at 23:38
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The normal way to boot from CD is to change the boot order in the BIOS. Often pressing the F12 key during POST (PowerOnSelfTest) will temporarily do this, otherwise you can 'permanently' change it in setup (F2 or DEL usually).
If your grub.cfg file doesn't already have the commands to boot from CD, typing them manually would be tedious.
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Worked, thanks you're a scholar and a gentlemen. – James Oct 10 '12 at 23:51
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What to order at Locanda Verde?
Hi going to LV for the first time this weekend and wondering if there were any not-to-miss items. Also wine suggestions would be appreciated as well. Love pinot noirs that are spicy and light.
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1. Don't get the duck terrine. Poorly executed and uninteresting. I have been generally quite underwhelmed with this place both in terms of food and service.
1. Tripe, sliders, chicken, pastas.
1. i believe ive read the ricotta cheese appetizer is good
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1. re: daffyduck
The ricotta appetizer is good...but come on now, tney got good ricotta (so can you) and put a little olive oil on it and serve it with crusty bread. For this I really don't need to go to a restaurant.
1. re: gutsofsteel
In many areas of the country supermarket Sorrento ricotta is the best available. Sometimes I think in major metropolitan areas we take widely available artisanal products for granted. Like comparing a supermarket peach to one from Frog Hollow it depends on the quality of ricotta one has tried.
1. re: oysterspearls
I realize that, but this is a restaurant in a city where excellent ricotta is ready available. I think it's a little ridiculous to offer an appetizer which is essentially ricotta on a plate, at a restaurant in Manhattan, that is allegedly "cooking."
This restaurant is an emperor without clothes, based on 3 visits so far.
Last time I had the Spaghetti Friuliano with cabbage, smoked bacon and pecorino sardo - it was utterly uninteresting, waaaaay too salty, and the pasta was so al dente I had to pick it out of my teeth. And the toffee date cake - was something anybody could throw together in their kitchen, and it was dry too.
2. re: gutsofsteel
cool, ive never been to locanda verde, but i believe i've read on nyseriouseats that the dish was fantastic.
im a complete newb with cheese, i was wondering if i went to cheese shop, what kind of cheese should I look or ask for if I want something similiar to the cheese at locanda verde?
1. re: daffyduck
Write down the cheeses you are served at the restaurant - the ones you like - then go to Murray's and ask for them.
1. re: daffyduck
It's similar to the sheep's milk ricotta that 3-Corner Field farm sells at the Union Square Greenmarket- which, to my taste, is quite different from ricotta made from cows milk- which is the ricotta sold in most places.
1. re: Ann900
The best ricotta I've had in this country is sold on Fridays at the USGM by Dancing Ewe. But the cow's milk ricotta from them, which also has sheep's milk mixed in. It is very good. (I like it much better than their 100% sheeps milk ricotta).
3. I'm particularly fond of the fish and pasta dishes at Locanda Verde. If the gnocchi is on the menu- they sometimes have it ass a special, get it. It's without a doubt, the best gnocchi I've ever had.
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Why Dark Souls Is True Horror
On the subject of fear, Dark Souls is a rare breed. It does what nearly any horror game is incapable of doing (even the greatest of the genre). It stays with you. It haunts you. It puts you in a panic long before and long after you play the game. There is a persistent dread that goes along with playing Dark Souls, one that far too many horror games try to emulate with typical horror tropes and stereotypical set pieces. (Dark Souls, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)
admiralvic + 336d ago
Does anyone really think the Soul's series haunts them? I don't have vivid flashbacks of the Penetrator killing me, I just sort of remember a medievally game that was tedious in some ways, but people choose to call hard.
LAWSON72 + 336d ago
The game is not hard it is just not mindless and you have to use a thing called a brain. I agree though I have jumped a couple times but it does not haunt me, though I do remember the immersion which made fear what was around the corner of uncharted areas, mainly because my bad luck made me paranoid.
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admiralvic + 336d ago
Well, a lot of this links to the fact you got a hefty penalty for screwing up. Progress, cash, equipment damage / wear, decreased item count, possible shift in WT, etc. There was a lot to lose by screwing up, which made you "fear" the outcome and become paranoid. In that sense it is very suspenseful, but nothing about it was really relates to horror.
WillGuitarGuy + 336d ago
I wouldn't categorize Dark Souls in the Horror genre at all. The art style is dark, but haunting? No way. The same goes for Demon's Souls.
Agent2009 + 336d ago
... aka Why This Article Is True Bollocks.
rageus + 336d ago
It's definitely a tense game but I wouldn't call is scary.
CrossingEden + 336d ago
There's a difference between tense and actual scary. The Shining isn't really scary, it's just really tense. As opposed to something that's actual horror, like The Woman In Black
Hellsvacancy + 336d ago
Most of Demon's Souls was pretty scary, more edgy than scary, my first DS playthrough was a cautious playthrough, nearly every step I took was with complete concentration
Dark Souls seemed lacking in that area, I love Dark Souls just as much, it just seemed a little easier, less jump scares
Cant wait for DS2
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Gamer-40 + 336d ago
True horror game, Silent Hill 1 (Ps1).
StockpileTom + 336d ago
I wouldn't consider it to be horror because it doesn't invoke a sense of helplessness... it is an RPG and because of that you are able to rise up and become more powerful by leveling up... if you were to remove the leveling aspect of it and make the player be stuck with starting class stats then it would possibly feel like a horror game. Also autosaving should be removed to serve as a penalty for death...less bonfires too as savepoints.
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TheGrimReaper0011 + 336d ago
I wouldn't call it horror, rather a heavy consequence game
An HCG if you will
People usually say they die a lot, but let's be honest, that's not it. Dieing just has heavy consequences
Can't wait for Dark Souls 2
It's tense for sure.
Horror? No.
Alien: Isolation looks good though. Hope Creative Assembly do a good job with it.
Master-H + 336d ago
The only truly scary moment in Dark Souls i believe is when you first pop open a mimic without knowing about it, especially if you're playing in the dark..
theshredded + 336d ago
Oh dear god,I remember the smough and dragonslayer duo so many deaths!It was pretty scary and creepy at times(the egg on back of humans,the huge things u encounter in A lava place,those squid thingies,skeletons were annoying,the first time i saw the headless demon crawler...).The atmosphere is that good in the game
Grave + 336d ago
My first encounter with the Capra Demon when I had around 25,000 souls on me and thought I was just going through another door like in the Undead Parish. Still gives me nightmares.
LAWSON72 + 336d ago
I had a similar encounter but mine is with the giant in the lava that attacks you after grabbing the armor in the lava pit area and he made me lose 36000 souls :(
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HmongAmerican + 335d ago
Day Z and Rust.
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Today I was having a discussion with a colleague that ViewModel is a general concept and existed before MVVM pattern.
I believe ViewModel term is used anytime you create a class with Model like properties for showing on View that supports data binding like in ASP.NET and even in WinForms.
Is the opposite true? Did Microsoft name it the first time with MVVM?
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I don't know if they named it first, but I'm using it for ages, way before I knew about MVVM. This pattern is pretty old. – deadalnix Oct 14 '11 at 16:21
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The MVVM is a specialization of the Presentation Model pattern by Martin Fowler. The Presentation Model pattern is platform independent and MVVM was created to take advantage of the capabilities of WPF (and later on Silverlight).
The Presentation Model was published in 2004 and the MVVM was first presented in blog posting in 2005 by John Grossman.
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So it appears that VM term was coined by Microsoft, the concept was documented by Martin Fowler and the pattern may have existed well before that. – Hasan Khan Oct 15 '11 at 3:27
MVP, MVC, MVVM, it's all VERY similar. The difference is mainly in exactly where certain things happen, and exactly what layer the user interacts with:
Thick Client/Smart Client - The View classes are the "god object". The code immediately behind the displayed UI knows everything it needs to in order to do its job, including having knowledge of the domain, possibly the DAL (if not using Active Record), and most rules concerning data validation. Most WinForms apps use this architecture, and even many "vanilla ASP.NET" apps have a very thick layer right up against ASP's HTML generator that handles most of this.
MVC - The Controller is the "god object". It is the object most directly interfaced with by the user, and generates or updates an extremely "dumb" presentation layer (View) based on business logic that gives it knowledge about the Model. The Model may contain higher business logic or it may concern itself only with data integrity. The best example I can think of is in video games; the user sees a video screen with the action happening, but for the most part doesn't work directly with that View to do something. Instead there is an HID in his hands, and when he uses it, signals are sent to logic within the Console which incorporate that data and refresh the screen. Some may argue that any app that uses a mouse or keyboard is MVC by this definition, but I would counter that from the concept of the application's top layer (and not the OS on which it resides), wherever there is a cursor or pointer that is the direct target of input via an HID, that is an abstract representation of the user's own hand that interacts with the UI elements.
MVP - The Controller of MVC is replaced with a less-powerful, more single-purpose Presenter. The Presenter still acts as the intermediary between View and Model, but the View often gains a few responsibilities, such as UI event handling. The Presenter acts to provide the View with necessary data from the Model in an easy-to-absorb fashion; either DTOs or bindable properties. This architecture allows for separation of concerns in GUI apps versus Thick/Smart Client architecture, while still allowing the UI to be the layer with which the user is conceptually interacting, and can be accomplished with most languages/architectures.
MVVM - The Presenter gains back some responsibility from the View and becomes a "binding source" for the View. The View provides only the most basic logic, relying instead on "binding points" available on the ViewModel. All the View knows how to do is get and set information provided by "data bindings", and invoke logic exposed through "event bindings". MVVM as a term was coined by Microsoft to describe the Windows Presentation Foundation, in which the View is structured based on XAML markup files that are given logic through defineable bindings to the ViewModel class.
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+1, one of the better descriptions of the nuances between these very similar concepts. – Wyatt Barnett Oct 14 '11 at 21:21
I have to say, that's a remarkably good and concise explanation. It's a shame it's hidden under a question that is a lot more specific (possibly even a bit unrelated). – tne Aug 6 at 12:45
MVVM is generally accepted to be a derivation of the Presentation Model.
There is a reference to a View model from systems engineering, and I would say they're related, but it's not the same thing. In the systems engineering View Model, it's a model of all the different Viewpoints. The ViewModel in MVVM is more like a model of one viewpoint.
I found this ASP.NET MVVM framework from 2009. However, I still think that was influenced by WPF's MVVM.
I can't seem to find references to ViewModel in ASP.NET stuff predating that. I wouldn't rule it out though.
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A Presenter does not necessesarily know about the view imho. It depends on where you put the glue code. The view could just observe the presentation model. Martin Fowler makes a distinction between MVP and Presentation Model. MVVM is the latter. – Falcon Oct 14 '11 at 18:36
@Falcon - sorry, I keep forgetting that – Scott Whitlock Oct 15 '11 at 1:03
Those GUI architectures are often very similar, only with slight differences. Confusing at times to anyone but Martin I guess :) – Falcon Oct 15 '11 at 8:20
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In Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot" play, two men wait vainly for someone named Godot to arrive. While waiting, they go through the motions and countless stories. This is not unlike a few tens of analysts and hundreds of fund managers when it comes for's (NASDAQ:AMZN) margins. They, too, wait for those to arrive. And in the meantime they go through countless stories as well.
Of course, up until now waiting for's margin Godot has been quite profitable for those doing the waiting. But why hasn't this particular Godot arrived yet?
There is an explanation
Due to's clever accounting, shows a few businesses such as 3P (third party) selling and AWS ( Web Services) as if these have 100% gross margins. Since these businesses are growing faster than the whole, it wasn't hard for those waiting for's net and operating margins to grow to readily spin up a story where's gross margins would keep on growing and, with many operating costs supposedly being fixed, at some point such growth would lead to the arrival of Godot-like profits.
The problem with this, of course, is that's operating costs are not fixed, and both 3P and AWS's gross margins are not 100%. In fact, it can easily be shown that several costs below the COGS (Cost Of Goods Sold) line are rising along with the 3P and AWS businesses.
To show this for 3P sales, one just has to take into account that just accounts for the commission it gets from 3P sellers, and not the value of the entire sale. However, the value of the entire sale does affect several costs below the COGS line, such as:
• Fulfillment - even if the sale is not fulfilled by, still has to pay the credit card processors a commission on the entire sale value;
• Marketing - if a customer coming from an affiliate link decides to buy something from a 3P merchant, has to pay the affiliate's commission on the entire value as well.
What this has meant, is that both of these lines have been rather stable when compared to the total GMV (Gross Merchandise Value) which retails, be it the goods it sells itself (1P) or the goods sold by third parties (3P). And there is no reason to doubt this will change any time in the future. (See chart below)
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At the same time, AWS is also not a 100% gross margin business. It just happens that accounts for the costs of running AWS in the "technology" line. Thus, as AWS grows faster than's overall business, so too does this line grows faster and represents a higher percentage of the total revenues. Will this change in the future? Only if AWS starts growing slower or decides to invest a whole lot less in AWS.'s margin Godot will not arrive
Knowing what I said, we can thus predict when's margin Godot will arrive. And the answer, as far as we can tell and with's business structured as it is today, is "never".
The answer is never because while the gross margins will continue growing faster than revenues due to's accounting for 3P and AWS, so too will the operating costs. And while most research in the Street accounts for the gross margin growing faster, almost none accounts for this mechanical increase in operating costs relative to revenues. Yet both gross margins and these costs increase for the exact same reason!
In short, while some increase in profits can be expected (I myself expect to earn around $0.70-$0.75 EPS for 2013), the huge ever-growing EPS consensus estimates the Street puts forward to justify at $273 are simply unattainable.
What's most likely is thus that analysts will keep on ratcheting their estimates lower much like they've done for every quarter since Q4 2010. And at some point, the mechanics I explained here might dawn on the market. And then, nobody will want to hold at $273. Or $200. Or $150.
Another prediction
When reports Q1 2013, it will once again guide lower for revenues for Q2 2013. It might also guide lower on EPS. I am less certain on EPS just because the downward revisions have already been so massive over the last 2 years. I should remind everyone that earned north of $2.50 per share in 2010 and is now expected to earn just $1.47 per share in 2013. Also, actually posted a loss for the entire 2012, a year where, back in 2010, it was expected to already be earning $5.50 per share. So how believable are those estimates, say, for 2014, where the consensus is for to earn $3.61 per share?
Conclusion's margin Godot has not arrived and will not arrive because of a simple dynamic: While gross margins will continue to increase due to the way accounts for 3P sales and AWS, for the very same reason the cost lines for fulfillment, marketing and technology will also continue to increase faster than revenues, eliminating all or most of the expected earnings upside.
With this knowledge, one can safely continue to say that is the most overvalued large capitalization stock in the market, and also one of the companies with the poorest earnings prospects in the entire S&P500. All the while, its revenue growth is also fading fast. In time, won't be safe to hold even at half the present quote.
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I need assistance reading all the resources from a resource file. I am working with visual studio 2010 c# .net 4.0.
I have a user control eg ~/MyFolder/MyControl.ascx. which has local resource files associated with it
I pass the above value ie. path the control, to another of my classes where I want to load the applicable resource file based on the current language.
Is this possible and if so how might i achieve this?
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One way is it to use embedded resources:
Assembly _assembly = Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly();
This blog post might give you more insight: http://www.attilan.com/2006/08/accessing-embedded-resources-using.html
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How to add onload event to a div?
I've read this, despite this I have a problem.. I know there's no onLoad for divs, but I should be able to execute a snippet like so:
<div id="content">
<div class="text">
<script type="text/javascript">
navigate('main.php', 'content');
This doesn't work, if I start a new browser session and navigate to index.php, it shows me a login window. After logging in it redirects me to index.php but with some session variables and cookies set. Now index.php contains the code above, prior to this content didn't exist.
Now to my issue: it appears as if most browsers refuses to accept that content exists, in the navigate function I've got:
function navigate(str, what) {
if(what == null) {
what = document.documentElement;
} else {
what = document.getElementById(what);
what will become null because it's a not a valid Element at the moment of execution.
I've tried:
window.onLoad = naviate('main.php', 'content');
Which does nothing, same issue there.. Also tried putting the <script> block at the end without luck.
I can't use jQuery or anything so please keep it to standard Javascript, HTML and CSS. Browsers in use: IE8, Chrome, FireFox.
1. Load index.php
2. Login to loginwindow
3. Load index.php
4. Upon completed load of index.php, read all elements including content
5. Update content with some AJAX data.
It works if
I login, load the page once with unsuccessful result and then refresh the page again.
And here's the reason why:
I use AJAX on the login window as well, it uses navigate() just as all my buttons and what not does. So the issue is that index.php gets loaded, with a login window, that login window updates the entire page with AJAX (javascript) which in turn, tries to call navigate() again from within the return data from the AJAX call... The "inline" navigate() gets called!!!, it's just that it doesn't know all the elements because it's load via AJAX.
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Try this :
window.onload = function(){
navigate('main.php', 'content');
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(I've tried it but) that makes no difference, navigate(..) is still being called as it should, problem is still that it's executed before the browser is aware of content, which renders a null value. – Torxed Feb 10 '13 at 14:58
is content created dynamically ? – Frederik.L Feb 10 '13 at 15:00
Yepp, it is. This is what probably confused both my answers. Updated the question accordingly. – Torxed Feb 10 '13 at 15:03
I've also tried a delay timer, which, some what helps but still not enough. – Torxed Feb 10 '13 at 15:04
In this case your ajax script should allow a callback after he is finish. 1-load content, 2-interact with content – Frederik.L Feb 10 '13 at 15:13
According to my tests you can get div element by .getElementById even before the page is loaded.
Do not forget that the navigate function must be defined before it is called. So if you have your scripts at the end of document (which is correct), you must call the function after execution of theese scripts.
But anyway, you've assigned the .onload function wrongly. Do it like this:
window.onload = function(event) {
/*any script here*/
Or like this:
function load(event) {
/*any script here*/
window.onload =load;
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As commented on the other solution, i've tried this already. Same effect, the issue is not that navigate(...) isn't called, because it is. The issue is that window.onload tries to access content. I'll update my question to REALLY explain the issue. – Torxed Feb 10 '13 at 15:01
Then the issue is somewhere else. I made you a simple script to prove that, if everything is done how you state it, the script works. – Tomáš Zato Feb 10 '13 at 15:15
Unfortunatelly, my hosting (unlike localhost) buffers output, so you cannot se the content div filled 3 seconds before page is loaded. – Tomáš Zato Feb 10 '13 at 15:20
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My first Android project is finish. I want to load Google Play. when I make build -> Generate Signed APK give error android studio.
For Gradle-based projects, the signing configuration should be specified in the Gradle build scripts.See the Gradle User Guide for more info."
I tried to sign configs as this sample
signingConfigs {
release {
storeFile file("mykeystore")
storePassword "mypassword"
keyAlias "my alias"
keyPassword "mykeypassword"
buildTypes {
release {
signingConfig signingConfigs.release
But I dont know mykeystore and my password and other infos.
release {
storeFile file("mykeystore") -> what is mykeystore ?
storePassword "mypassword" -> what is mypassword ?
keyAlias "my alias" -> what is myalias ?
keyPassword "mykeypassword" -> what is mykeypassword ?
I cant build apk my project. This is my first project. I use android studio 2.0.11 and mac os x lion.
Please help. Sorry bad english. Thanks.
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The graddle code you have is correct, to obtain a keystore file, password, alias and key password, follow the instructions in this guide to generate a keystore file. developer.android.com/tools/publishing/app-signing.html#cert – domji84 Oct 22 '13 at 21:39
Android Studio update 0.3.0 and my problem is fixed – Mustafa Olkun Oct 23 '13 at 10:34
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Do this way.. The manual is clear enough. Please specify what part you get stuck with after you work trought it, I'd suggest:
Ok, a small overview, without reference or eclipse around, so leave some space for errors, but it works like this
• open your project in eclips
• press right-mouse, tools (android tools?) - > export signed application (apk?)
• go trough the wizzard:
• make a new key-store. remember that password
• sign your app
• save it etc.
Also, from the link:
Compile and sign with Eclipse ADT
To create a signed and aligned .apk in Eclipse:
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First thank you but I dont use Eclipse. I use Android Studio. My project don't open in eclipse. How do you know Android Studio ? – Mustafa Olkun Oct 7 '13 at 8:45
then you can find Generate signed apk option in Build menu and follow steps. – Brijesh Patel Oct 7 '13 at 8:47
I click generate signed apk and this warning tjod.org/questions/keystore.png – Mustafa Olkun Oct 7 '13 at 8:51
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I have just got into Android App Development using Eclipse.
I have done some work and created a small app.
I would like to completely backup all the XML, Java and other files of my project.
How can it be done?
Will having an online backup of all the files present in my "Workspace" folder be sufficient?
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To backup the project:
Export -> Archive File in Eclipse
To import the project in another Eclipse editor
Import -> Existing Projects into Workspace -> Select Archive File
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I had a webpage open in Chrome, was reading a forum thread. I reloaded the page but found that the thread had been deleted. Did I wipe the cached page when I reloaded it? Or could there be some way to recover it.
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You may be in luck, but then again like you said you may have already over wrote it.
You can check by typing the following into your address bar: about:cache
This will then produce a page with all cached websites, just ctrl+f to find the site.
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The United States declared war on terrorism in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. More than ten years later, the results are still decidedly mixed. In The Thistle and the Drone, world-renowned author, diplomat, and scholar Akbar Ahmed reveals a tremendously important yet largely unrecognized effect of this campaign: in many nations, it has exacerbated the already-broken relationship between central governments and the tribal societies on their periphery. Ahmed tells us, "The center and the periphery are engaged in a mutually destructive civil war across the globe that has been intensified by the war on terror."
Current conflict in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and elsewhere is not an inevitable eruption of a "clash of civilizations" between the West and Islam, as many in America would believe. This study demonstrates that the conflict between the center and the periphery, combined with the involvement of the United States, is fueling and spreading those fires, turning the war on terror into a global war on tribal Islam. No one is immune to this violence—neither school children nor congregations of worship. Battered by military or drone strikes one day and suicide bombers the next, tribes on the periphery say, "Every day is like 9/11 for us."
This is the groundbreaking third volume of Ahmed's trilogy examining relations between America and the Muslim world, following Journey into Islam: The Crisis of Globalization (2007) and Journey into America: The Challenge of Islam (2010). Here, Ahmed draws on forty case studies, representing the global span of Islam, where the United States has become directly or indirectly involved in these societies. He provides the social and historical context necessary for understanding how both central governments and the tribal societies on their peripheries have become embroiled in America's war. Beginning with Waziristan and expanding to tribal societies in Central Asia, the Middle East, North Africa, and elsewhere, Ahmed offers a fresh approach to this problem, presenting an unprecedented paradigm for understanding and winning the war on terror.
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In an effort to thwart habitual speeding, Transport Canada has developed a new system that can make exceeding posted limits difficult or impossible. The device utilizes GPS and a speed limit map coupled with technology that caps a vehicle's top speed based on the legal speed of the road being traveled. Once the vehicle arrives at the predetermined speed limit, the device makes it very difficult to go any faster. For now, Canada is looking to slap this stingy speed governor on the vehicles of perpetual speeders and reckless drivers, but the technology could one day be used for all drivers. Lovely.
Luckily for drivers here in the States, a strict speed limit governor is just un-American, and legislators know it would be very unpopular politically suicidal to implement. Still, we're sure there'd still be some people willing to embrace technology like this. Heck, a lot of parents of 16 to 18 year-olds probably wouldn't mind purchasing this device to keep their teenagers in check.
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• 6 Years Ago
This is nonsense for cryin out loud!!!
I would seriously consider about moving to another country if this was the case. Limiting how I drive??? Comon now, they just have to face the facts that it's not speeders only that make the roads unsafe, I'm not saying that speeders don't have a part, but comon limiting my speed that's nasty. + I think Canadian highway speeds are just too low @ 100, the avg highway speed tends to be arnd 120km/h. Honestly speaking.
• 6 Years Ago
The PC's in the current government would probably find this anathema to their Alberta-based smaller government philosophy. I used to live in the Lake BonaVista neighborhood, and consequently, I have a small amount of insight into how these guys think. Methinks Transport Canada will find a budgetary crisis in their near future, making implementation of this draconian device moot. This even finding usage in the big rigs is unsettling, but almost everything that comes from the White House and the so-called "Patriot Act" is equally surreal, so who knows what our "protectors" will come up with next? My dual citizenship was once my ace in the hole, but actions like this make me wonder what direction my home country is going. But, long -term, the approach to governing of the Canadians is far superior to the greed-based corporate domination of America, so I would still bet on their common sense to prevail in the end.
• 6 Years Ago
Driving at a 100 km/h at certain times on the 400 series highways will get you cursed at, or worse, cause an accident. I remember when I was experimenting with the top mileage I could get on my car I was doing 100 km/h and big rigs were passing me.
• 6 Years Ago
I don't understand why some governments are so jealous to enforce their speeding laws. What's the percentage of traffic fatalities that result specifically from speeding? I suspect it's a pretty low number.
• 6 Years Ago
It seems like if the government really wanted to crack down on speeders they would require auto manufacturers to govern the top speed of their cars. Not that I would want them to, but I honestly dont see why they dont.
• 6 Years Ago
My 2.5 cents - Im not sure if this Exactly will fly. Why? What about all that LOST REVENUE???!!!
Hello? Speeding & many trafic tickets are a Huge source of $$$ Revenue which the state & officers rely on to meet their quotas = lost revenue & cops loosing their jobs?
However, I do see an electronic vehicle Disabling system coming in the near future. (Dear Lord I hope I am wrong!)
This device will enable enforcement to zap a violator & bring them to a crawl & avoid HI-Speed chases. I can therefore see older hi performance vehicles to appreciate in value if they do NOT have this device factory installed.
Why the 80/20 rule where the most of us suffer due to an insignificant foolish minority? :(
• 6 Years Ago
^ Yup, there's no way that this will ever be a mandatory device on vehicles.
If the government REALLY wanted to crack down on speeders, they would give the Police forces more funds for recruitment and policing vehicles. In my community south of Toronto, there is only 3 police cruisers for 3 towns.
• 6 Years Ago
I love this idea. Think about it.
1.) If cars can't exceed the speed limit there would be no reason for speed traps or traffic cops.
2.) How long to do think it would take clever individuals to hack this system?
Therefore: I get to drive around in my hacked car at any speed I want because there are no traffic cops!!
• 6 Years Ago
But the speed limit is 100Kph! Why would they limit the top speed to 105??? Because they are a bunch of idiots. Des idiots je dis! Pis la limo de la ministre se fait poigné a 130+ Voyons donc mon Bob. Qu'ils se servent donc de leur têtes!
• 6 Years Ago
Take a chill pill.
GPS devices are easily defeated. As soon as they come into play somebody is going to make a thin metal cover for the antenna in a matching hue. Slip the little cover on, GPS is dead. They can't automatically shut the vehicle down if signal is lost because there are too many places where that can happen naturally. With a little more thought active jamming devices can be built but if too powerful will jam nearby devices.
Anyway, don't get your knickers in a knot. Let them impose the devices, lay off all the cops giving tickets then once you have the devices neutered you can drive as fast as you want without anyone to stop you!
See technology in the right hands can be great!
• 6 Years Ago
I know, what I meant to say is that a speed limiter is not necessarily a bad idea on principle alone (for example, a 100mph limiter that does not restrict normal driving).
A 62mph limiter only makes sense for commercial truck applications, as is being proposed.
• 6 Years Ago
The Québec government recently passed (or at at least attempted, I can't remember) a bill to electronically limit the speed of big rigs to 105 km/h.
Hopefully by the time this thing becomes mainstream, self-driving cars will be around to take away the pain or humiliation.
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Remember the Maine Shirts - Help Commemorate the Duly Elected Delegates
We all know the story about Maine and the duly elected delegates who were unseated. When we were in Tampa, we all stood together and supported Maine. That’s why we had several hundred people in the Maine walk out chanting, “As Maine Goes, So Goes The Nation!”
Let’s continue to support the liberty movement in Maine. Check out these awesome shirts the Maine delegates have put together to commemorate the duly elected delegates to the RNC in Tampa.
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Misinformation Media Caught Red Handed.
Two of the so called Al-Qaeda members who were wearing Guy Fawkes masks forgot to remove their press passes. Via: http://www.dailypaul.com/254485/photo-egyptian-rioters-were-...
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Photo: Egyptian rioters were wearing Guy Fawkes masks
September 12, 2012
Egyptian rioters yesterday were photographed wearing Guy Fawkes masks next to photo graffiti on a wall of the U.S. embassy during a protest in Cairo, Egypt
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Gold Will Top $2,000 in Next Year: Barrick CEO
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US Ambassador To Libya Killed In Benghazi Attack
By Hadeel Al Shalchi
BENGHAZI, Libya | Wed Sep 12, 2012
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Fed Launches QE3
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Reality Check Video Update: Why are we fighting Al Qaeda and supporting them at the same time?
Reality Check tonight... 1 on 1 with President Obama, asking the President why we are fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and supporting them in Syria?
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Netanyahu To Obama on Bombing Iran: ‘Wait For What? Wait Until When?’
Continue at CBS News
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The Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory
As sold to us by the U.S. Government, the mainstream media, and all the people who bought it, hook line and sinker without a second thought:
Thanks to James Corbett., Patriot for putting this together:
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The Revolution Comes to NBC, Mondays at 10
Watch the full pilot on Hulu.com I haven't watched it yet. If you have or do, please let me know what you think. Some may wonder why an MSM TV show would be posted here. It is to bring to your awareness what is happening in the world. Many people here don't have TV, including me. I only stumbled upon this video by accident, but it has over 8 million views. Meaning the kinds of ideas that are discussed here daily are going mainstream.
FYI. The progress of the series and its mainstream reception is something to keep our eye on as a barometer of the sentiment of the general public.
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Jesse Benton's Resignation Letter from C4L-With note from Ron Paul
Letter from Jesse Benton, with note from Congressman Paul
September 11, 2012
Dear John and C4L Board of Directors,
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Apparently, The Johnson vs not voting debate is as old as Libertarianism itself
I did some research into the pains the Daily Paul is having. I have taken a lot of the comments personally, although, I should not have. I made a bunch of mock acrimonious posts to try to show how people sound. I am sorry if this hurt anyone. I am trying to show people the errors they are committing by reflecting them at themselves. I was doing some research into agorism and low and behold I found Samuel Konkin's defense of agorism against Murray Rothbard. He makes a great case about not voting and how the Libertarian Party is a waste of time by historical examples, but this is his conclusion.
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What If The Young Won't Work?
Suppose the youth of this nation were unwilling or unable to work. What then would happen to the country? The answer to that question should be obvious. The country would become progressively poorer.
Government, no matter its intentions, cannot create product or wealth. They only redistribute it. If fewer people are willing to work and the population remains the same, then per capita wealth necessarily goes down. The rate at which it declines is a function of many things, although the labor participation rate is among the more important.
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The limits to verbiage
The president’s speech was underwhelming, which was probably better than the alternative
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Sorry, but I just don't agree overall. Staying with his style is important. It is still a long haul.
If mastery over the English language was needed, William Shakespeare would have been a good choice for the White House.
Appx. 60million Americans voted against Obama in 2008. Based on the standard voting error: damaged ballots, counting errors, this puts Obama in a statistical tie with Bill Clinton 1992 and George W. Bush 2004 for most votes against a candidate.
Is it possible that many of that record 60 million Americans that voted against Obama, saw his campaign speeches as no less vacuous than the State of the Union address appeared to the writer of the article?
Dr. Etuka obinwa
It has not been easy for President Obama to weather the storm in Washington. He saw another ball game when he became the President. Compromising issues at stake has been the order of the day in Washington. Mr. President what next? Remember that most of us with the best educational qualifications and work experience have not been able to find jobs.
Economist: No, the President´s speech was powerful, comprehensive and just right. A long catalogue over tasks ahead for Congress. The President underligned the job for his fellow politicians: to get their job done for the benefit of the American people.
And, especially, the President gave a clear signal that detrimental lobbying in Washington is going to be curbed. No more secret influence operations in the wings. "I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people", the President said.
This President is the best President the USA has seen since FDR.
What you see before you is exactly the person you and many others endorsed and the majority of Americans voted for, for president; a politician with little substance or experience. What would cause you now to be surprised by his first year in office or his state of the union address? He is a fine speaker, as long as he has his teleprompter, who can talk for a long period of time without saying anything. I blame the Democrats for nominating him and the Republicans for not putting forward a better candidate. When he was dishing out the blame did you notice that he did not blame Congress who is responsible for putting forth the budget and therefore truly responsible for the huge debt we now face.
Obama is a great speaker and orator. But the promises he made during his campaign -- and continues to make during his Presidency -- have an empty ring about them, especially with those Republican voters who took a chance and jumped the fence to vote for him.
All the things he could be focused on-- weaning the country off foreign oil, renewable energy, job creation, ending our involvement in Afghanistan instead of expanding our role -- he's either been silent or his policies have died on the vine.
His left of center stance on virtually everything and particularly healthcare has every single Republican unwilling to cooperate. And polls show he's quickly losing ground with the American public. (Remember us?)
And while his supporters plead to give him a chance, a little less oratory and a little more substantive action would go a long way with his detractors. He's quickly running out of time, and risks becoming the earliest lame duck President in American history.
My my, I have a transcript of his speech and I can't find any of the things people below who loved it say are in there; no concrete ideas, no plans, no "how tos" but just a bunch of slogans and pleas to join him, vote with him, agree with him, blah. Attacking the Supreme Court? Those who oppose him are holding America back? Call him if you have any good ideas and he'll listen? Does he know how bills are written, like in private and without allowing opposition to participate? Sitting at home I said "you lie" any number of times. Well, we believe what we want to, the truth matters little. Good article. True too.
Why no discussion of cutting defense spending? Military R&D expenditures are the most useless, expensive, and potentially dangerous chunk of our budget.
Despite having appeared some 18 months ago I still find this paper's endorsement of Mr. Obama a superbly funny Halloween prank and await its retraction. Earlier this week I actually re read that endorsement. I quote "Two doubts present themselves: his lack of executive experience and the suspicion that he is too far to the left." And the most naive thing I have read in The Economist "At home he could salve, if not close the ugly racial wound left by America's history...." The latter first. Mr. Obama deserves to be admired but he is just a single person and no matter how often 6 Swede's denote him the world's savior he is incapable of ushering anything other than modest gradual change. No matter how much change he promised and promises and so many (like the Economist) wish to believe he will never change the way the US works. We are too big, important and diverse to be subject to one man’s wishes no matter how noble some see them. It seems to me his lack of legislative success (note passing the House but not the Senate is not success) and his unwillingness to re visit his very expensive liberal policies show that he is beholden to the left wing of his party and its main supporters such as the unions. As for his claims to have saved the economy please note that Mr. Bush would never have signed the TARP legislation without the whole hearted support of the Fed who all but pleaded with the US government to pass it. Without that independent voice (at least then and for now) it would never have happened. Politicians taking credit are as bad as those second guessing the Fed today. There was no choice in the Fall of 2008 As for the claim that we have saved 2 million jobs I will ask that someone substantiate the claim as no one I know can. So time will tell but seems to me year one was underwhelming at best and the map laid out last night for year two portends only more of the same. Finally more than anything else the Mr. Brown’s election to the Senate evidences that middle class and independent American’s care greatly for the bottom 10% of our society (31 million uninsured) until they are asked to actually par for it.
Wow. You guys missed it entirely. President Obama nailed it precisely. America has politicians in Washington but we have no government. The people (the employer) want the politicians (the employees) to stop playing games (personal and party politics) and get to work (jobs, education, health care, etc.). The people know that the nation is in crisis, the job of governing demands hard work and plenty of over-time, but since the politicians will not stop their personal games and do the job they were hired to do, it is time to fire them. That is what the vote in Massachusetts was all about. The President got the message. He just passed the message on to Congress and, judging by the looks on their faces, neither party was happy. Bravo. If they get to work, they keep their job. If they continue to play games, we fire them in every election cycle until the economy returns to happier days. The tide has turned, the people are serious, Obama gets it, Congress does not, and you seemed to miss it too. He spoke to power for every furious American - that seems pretty populist to this citizen. The people voted for a champion to fix the problem - the underlying problem - the failure to have a government that shows up to work. To paraphrase President Clinton, "He feels our disgust."
Obama's problem is not the quality of his oratory it is that people are increasingly determining that there is little of substance behind it and that when they do find substance, they don't like what he has on offer.
I think we all need to understand the world from Obama's point of view and attempt to think strategically about how he is setting the stage for his upcoming year. Look at the landscape:
**Obama has successfully taken the middle for the executive, forcing his own party and the Republicans to move to the fringes.
**The Republicans have responded in 'Republican Kind' by stone walling and "saying no to everything", marginalizing their relevancy.
**The Democrats have responded in 'Democrat Kind' by fighting amongst themselves and perpetuating self interest as a doctrine.
Obama now has double the approval rating of Congress (which has slid to a new low in the last year) which he clearly leveraged last night to brow beat Congress from his "Bully Pulpit". I think we can expect more of this in the coming year, which is exactly his role.
If I were Obama, I would use that speech as a launching point to bring my own party back into line, occupying more of a middle ground in American politics and further driving the Republican party to the extremes, and thereby marginalizing their relevancy to the American people.
This newspaper often criticizes Obama for not doing more, but I believe he is setting the stage for the right kind of strategic move later in his first term. We have to remember that this President has the ability to be a two-termer and can easily attain that with the state of American politics. He is playing the game strategically, calmly, and with a clear plan for reform that likely spans 8 years not 4. His major obstacle is putting a spinal cord back into the Democratic party and getting them as tightly aligned as the Republicans.
Lets move more toward strategic criticism and leave the tactical criticism to the Republicans.
You have it wrong on the Health Care bill and you have it wrong on emissions. It makes absolutely no sense for America to completely revamp an established health care system that accounts for one-sixth of the economy. Not just at this juncture but at any juncture. It deeply offends commonsense. Any change needs to be incremental, widely discussed with all parties, political, academic and health specialists across the spectrum, and not pushed down people's throats by loony liberals like Pelosi with an over-weening Democrat majority.
As for tax emissions, for goodness sake get off your obsession with C02 and climate change. Its a loser and will be shown to be a loser. A dysfunctional economy such as Britain with many, many resources all in the wrong place and a debt load that is three times the annual value of GDP faces really grave problems and simply cannot indulge in fanciful schemes like taxing emissions.
Repeat each day before you go to sleep - cut the cloth to fit, unintended consequences and fatal conceit.
Nonplus Deplume
I agree with MRB007! I often shake my head when reading or listening to what the media has to say about a speech -- wondering if we were watching the same thing or if I'm in some parallel universe. Obama pointedly challenged the Republicans to provide him with a better version of health care reform. I would love to see them do something besides lockstepping, saying no and smirking. I don't think future generations will look upon their actions as either patriotic or pragmatic.
The Economist got it wrong on this one. I was very impressed with President Obama's State of the Union address. He told the truth to the Congress and the voters. Solving large, complex national problems requires partnerships and compromise. Both parties must listen to one another and place the needs of the people first. What I found most disturbing, however, was the lack of support by the smirking Republican Congressmen for the President's call for needed reforms of the banking and financial systems. These right-wing Republicans no longer represent the historic fiscal conservatism of the GOP; President Eisenhower would find them quite unacceptable.
Truly Yours
This speech was also notable for what was missing: a thorough castigation of the Republican-nominated Supreme Court Five, who have decreed that corporations are to be allowed to corrupt our political process without hindrance. Surely this naked power grab by the corporate power structure behind our oligarchy is the most serious threat to America's existence in its short history. Our Constitution and the rule of law are being flouted by a political system that has been bought and paid for by corporate interests. All the other issues in the media-instigated "culture wars" are merely distractions from the real power play that has just been accomplished.
Wake up, America, your hair is on fire!
I agree the tax credits are little gifts that will amount to squat for most families. It is very like the credit most Americans got early in this crisis which amounts to very little each month for those families. The credit cost a lot but has had zero impact. I find it amusing that with more people getting laid off daily that child care credit would be the choice of credits. Doesn't this president realize yet that when one parent is home they now become the care giver. Many families have enlisted family members to take care of their children.
What I do support with great enthusiasm is energy credits because they are changes that are permanent and reduce costs for each family. There is no phony baloney nonsense that typically is seen with credits that rarely apply to most Americans. Last year we took advantage of that energy credit by adding insulation to our garage, house coupled with new doors and new garage doors and a new roof. We have seen temps down around -20 this year already and still my garage does not fall below freezing. This has made a huge difference with our energy costs. An even bigger benefit was the fact that we employed about 15 people to do all this work. I know for certain that the insulation companies got very busy because of those energy credits. WE NEED MORE. We need to apply credits to appliances as well. It could make a world of difference for so many struggling families.
As far as the speech goes, I was o.k. for the first third of the speech and then he moved into the blame all others before him like they all were a bunch of jerks. The thing is if a president took up behind him right now they would think the same about his policies.
Closing Gitmo? Stupid. Trying terrorists in NYC. Stupid. Treating terrorists as a police matter. Stupid. Pushing a health care bill full of bribes and special exceptions for his unions while not addressing the medical shortage, tort reform, portable insurance, and the silly notion that congress will cut Medicare by 500 billion. Those bills were written by special interest groups and would solve nothing. Again, stupid. He didn't explain it well because he couldn't defend those bills. Obama is of the POV that any health care reform is good no matter the consequences. The really sad thing is there are plenty of examples of health care plans out there such as Mass Care that do cover more people because they are mandated, but the costs are bankrupting the state with all the subsidies.
The government needs to concentrate on keeping us safe, which they failed to do on Xmas day, to provide a business environment so that people feel confident to start new businesses, which currently there is an anti-business climate, and represent the US within the international community. Instead they are filling their plate with all sorts of pet projects and failing to do what the federal government should be doing. We need to downsize the federal government and solve many of our problems on a state level.
Bio cube
You and I must be seeing black and white on Obama's presidency.
Obama has done nothing meaningful to compromise on Healthcare. Instead he's allowed Congress to make backroom deals that make a mockery of healthcare reform.
The GOP have held fast on their positions (thank god) because they know they have the correct position on the issues. While the Democrats are merely pandering to their loyal voters who tend to be those who are the least productive in our society.
The healthcare bills as they stand are a joke as any "practicing" physician will tell you. (The AMA was coerced in to supporting obama, google it!)
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Wright keen to resolve controversy
The Imps chairman is currently attending the Football League's annual meeting in Portugal, where a number of pressing issues, including the distribution of TV rights money, will be discussed. The three-year broadcasting deal, which is due to commence next season, will see matches shared by both Sky Sports and the BBC and is worth £264m. The deal has more than doubled the League's TV rights revenue, but Wright is unhappy about how the money is split between clubs. "This is an issue we, as a club, feel quite strongly about" declared Wright in the Lincolnshire Echo. "We do not feel the money is being divided up fairly and it is an issue we will raise at the meeting in Portugal."
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1. ChevyFan
ChevyFan The Sheriff Staff Member 5+ Years 5000 Posts
[IMG]With GM and Chrysler both in bankruptcy, a relatively healthy Ford stands to benefit, even its its two struggling Detroit rivals gain the advantages of powerful government backing.
2. detailjohn
detailjohn Rockstar 100 Posts
Just heard Ford has lots of debt and many be in trouble soon......
3. wpnsgy
wpnsgy Rockstar
Ford is troubled but they will not be hampered by being government run and have kept the decision on there dealers to themselves. They will definitely be in the best position to pick up market share in the near future
4. cascott325
cascott325 Epic Member 5+ Years 1000 Posts
being just an hour or so from a ford plant, i know of a few people who work there, and they have been operating full force, 100% for several months now
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Civil disobedience is the act of breaking the law and defying the authorities to do anything about it. So is tyranny. The difference between the two lies in which side of the power equation the breaker is on. When the law is broken, two things happen. Either the law is upheld or the authorities back away from a confrontation and find some way to save face.
The ObamaCare process involved breaking a long list of rules and laws and then defying the ragged remnants of the system to do anything about it. At every turn the United States was unable to stop a rogue chief executive and his ruling party from trampling the law. When the case finally reached the Supreme Court, the leading judicial body in the land sidestepped a confrontation by redefining what the action was, rather than rule on the law. It was a classic case of the authorities saving face.
Civil disobedience balances moral absolutes against legal principles. The Supreme Court exists to serve as the final bastion of the law against runaway moral absolutes. But just as in its showdown with FDR, the Court blinked, and our court, unlike that court, didn’t even at least put up a good fight for the law before backing down. Obama didn’t even have to threaten to pack the court with justices. All he had to do was make it clear that he wasn’t going to follow the law, which forced the law to save face by following him instead.
If he were to be impeached tomorrow, as some urge, he simply wouldn’t leave. I don’t know what he will do if he loses the election, simply because I don’t think he knows what he will do– I don’t think the prospect of losing has seriously entered his mind. If he loses it will be a pitched battle between Valerie Jarrett and Michelle Obama on one shoulder telling him to stay and Joe Biden and whatever unfortunate soul is Chief-of-Staff at that point acting as the voices of reason telling him that it’s over.
Even absolute monarchs make concessions to something outside themselves, to religion or tradition, but Obama never has. History, religion and tradition are nothing but lines that he drops into speeches in praise of himself. The American flag and the Constitution are trophies that he uses as backdrops, the same way that he uses greek columns– these aren’t things that mean anything to him. They’re decorations for the sets playing the eternal movie of him.
Obama is not a politician. Politicians learn to compromise. They learn that they can’t always get their way. Obama has never learned that lesson. He always gets his way. Or he did until 2010. No one has ever told him “No” and made it stick. There is no weight of life experience that tells him what to do when this happens.
Unlike many of his predecessors, Obama was never in the military. Unlike all of them, he never held anything resembling a real job that required him to do anything but show up and make speeches. Children are natural tyrants. Take a child throwing a tantrum off the playground, give him every privilege in life, leave out any real challenges, keep telling him that he’s special for 50 years and he will be an actual tyrant.
No one ever thought that a man with the emotional maturity of a child, with no life experience and no principles, would occupy the White House, surrounded by sycophants and worshiped by a press that acts as an extension of the White House Press Office. It took an extensive breakdown among multiple institutions and the national culture for that to happen, and the inability to assert the rule of law is a further symptom of that breakdown.
No one is fooled, unless to some degree they want to be fooled. To believe a lie, you have to want to believe it, and that means that at some level, you know that it is a lie.
Obama was elected because we, Democrats and quite a few Republicans, wanted to be saved from ourselves. We wanted to be saved from our policies, our debates and our guilt. In a time of crisis, we weren’t looking for a reliable experienced professional to do the job, if we had been, McCain, for all his flaws, would have won by a landslide.
The man we picked had no experience and no skills beyond his surface charm. He was irresponsible and that was why the country chose him. His irresponsibility made our irresponsibility look good..Even his racist associations were a plus, they made voters feel better about their own prejudices. Every wrong, ugly, stupid and irresponsible thing that he did only made him more appealing to the people who voted for him.
Every now and then people like to get drunk. When things are a complete mess, that’s when the temptation to open the bottle and pour it down the hatch comes. Things were a complete mess in 2008 and the country got stinking drunk. It decided to be completely irresponsible and, feeling sorry for itself, it elected someone who wouldn’t have been qualified for any position in his own Cabinet.
Since then the country has sobered up. It thinks that Obama is doing a bad job, but it doesn’t know how to tell him that he was only a one-night stand. He seems like such a nice guy and it would hurt his feelings to tell him why he was really elected. It wasn’t because anyone, besides zombie liberals, thought that he knew what he was doing. It was because he seemed like a cheerful bright spot in a dour time and everyone felt sorry about slavery and segregation.
The problem is that Obama won’t leave. 2010 was a sharp hint. Any halfway competent politician would have caught it and changed direction. But Obama refuses to understand hints. He refuses to understand the unspoken message because that gives him power. The power of the rude is in their rudeness. The rudeness is a challenge to anyone with manners to match him equally or shut up and take it. Some Republicans, like Joe Wilson, have matched him rudeness for rudeness; many more, like Justice Roberts, have chosen to take it instead.
A Head of State who refuses to follow the law is engaging in rudeness squared, but Obama is doing what the left has always done. The left refused manners and mores, it trashed the culture, threw out its morals, defied the law with acts of civil disobedience and once in office refused to accept any limitations on their power. And most of the time it won. It stared down the society, the police and the politicians, defied their rules and took their rulemaking powers for its own.
The power of the left lies in challenging the lies that society tells itself and creating the illusion of credibility and sincerity through that challenge. It succeeds when its enemies lack faith in their own ideas, their own policies and their own values. The more abrasively it challenges norms, the more it refuses to follow any rules but its own, the more credibility it gains as a liberation movement.
Obama is the apotheosis of the left’s project, a brat nurtured on self-esteem, weaned on white guilt, educated to play with words and rewarded for staged confrontations with equally staged surrenders. All these qualities have shaped him into the entitled monster that he is, squatting in the Oval Office and grinning from the covers of a hundred magazines, determined to always win the only way he knows how, by ignoring the rules of the game.
If you have ever encountered someone genuinely worthless yet successful, it was almost certainly a man or woman who refused to take “No” for an answer. That can be a useful quality in some fields, but it’s also a perfect way for people with no useful skills to get what they want out of life. These are the people who don’t get fired or denied promotions because it would cause too many problems, who get discounts they aren’t entitled to, because they keep demanding them, who use determination and confrontation as substitutes for knowledge, ability and competence– who become a success story purely based on their enormous sense of entitlement and complete lack of shame.
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They call it "The Wrecking Ball."
That's the name of the fake extra-point attempt devised by Sherwood head coach Greg Lawrence and staff.
Sherwood (Ore.) is 9-0 and has outscored opponents 554-96 on the season. Lawrence and his assistant coaches are constantly on the lookout for ways to keep his kids engaged and having fun.
"We have 32 seniors," Lawrence told MaxPreps on Monday. "We're trying to get of them in on special teams. We've been winning most games. We've been crushing everyone, so we've been trying to find things to make it fun for the kids."
Sherwood called for The Wrecking Ball early on Friday night, after the team's first touchdown, so as not to show up Putnam with the game already out of hand.
The Wrecking Ball calls for the team's 5-foot-5, 240-pound kicker, Martin Layna, to take the snap directly.
Layna is supposed to charge ahead, and just before crossing the line of scrimmage, loft the ball up to the team's 6-11 tight end, Jordan Kurahara.
Before the team attempted the Wrecking Ball in a game, Sherwood added one additional wrinkle.
"One of our other senior linemen asked if he could come off like a monkey, pick the tee up, and hop off the field like a monkey," Lawrence said. "Our special teams coach said 'Sure, why not? Let's do it.'"
The play went off without a hitch, as senior lineman Ryan Jurgens grabbed the tee and distracted the defense by hopping off the field like a monkey.
That allowed Layne to throw a perfect spiral to Kurahara for perhaps the most unusual two-point conversion ever.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, it's not the first trick play Sherwood has attempted.
Check out their unique two-point conversion from a Week 3 matchup against Hermiston.
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