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Lilo (footballer, born 1902) | Death | Death
Lilo died in Vigo on 2 September 1972, at the age of 71, and as a tribute, Celta's players wore black armbands in their next match against Espanyol. |
Lilo (footballer, born 1902) | Honours | Honours
Fortuna de Vigo
Galician Championship:
Winners (2) 1920–21 and 1921–22
Celta de Vigo
Galician Championship:
Winners (7) 1923–24, 1924–25, 1925–26, 1929–30, 1931–32, 1933–34, and 1934–35 |
Lilo (footballer, born 1902) | References | References
Category:1902 births
Category:1972 deaths
Category:Footballers from Vigo
Category:Spanish men's footballers
Category:Men's association football goalkeepers
Category:RC Celta de Vigo players
Category:Segunda División players
Category:20th-century Spanish sportsmen |
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Obviously, this isn't the best map, and Belize has nothing to do with this, but I'm working with what I have right now. If you have a better map, great. I want to chart the route the bark Beta took from Drammen, Norway, to Maui, Hawaii, from 1880 to 1881. The only info I've found so far, was that it was around 15,000 nautical miles (I think, that could be wrong), it left Drammen on October 27, 1880, traveled through the North Sea, then the Atlantic, traveled down towards Cape Horn of South America, but took a shortcut through the narrow Strait of Magellan, traveled up to Chile for provisions in Valparaíso, then headed straight to Maui where they arrived on February 18, 1881. I want to approximate this route on this or a similar map, but I'm not sure how to calculate it to the closest approximation or how to even figure it out. ChatGPT can't figure it out either. Any idea how to approach this problem? Viriditas (talk) 02:05, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
There are other known dates if that helps. The Beta made it through the Strait of Magellan to the other side around December 25, 1880. Viriditas (talk) 02:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
We'd need the ship's logbook for an accurate determination of it's route. We can't do much better than assuming that, while in the open seas, the ship followed segments of a great circle, being the shortest route between points on a globe. Take a map of the Earth in gnomonic projection, centred on, say, Bogotá, and draw the shortest sea route from Drammen around Cape Horn to Maui on this map (so large portions of this route are straight lines on the map). Then use suitable map projections to display this route on a map of any desired type, like a hemisphere of the globe in orthographic projection as above (with the ports of departure and arrival both almost on the edge). Since the dominant directions are more north—south than east—west and cross the equator, a reasonable approximation can also be based on loxodromic navigation, the commonly used method before navigation by chronometer became feasible. Just use a Mercator map instead of a gnomonic map. ​‑‑Lambiam 07:31, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
There are world maps of lighthouse locations. 19th Century sailors would prefer to divide a long voyage into straight legs whose ends could be confirmed by sight of a lighthouse. This suggests a way to estimate a likely route, though you must limit it to lighthouses that were operational in 1880 - 1881. See Lists of lighthouses. Philvoids (talk) 08:09, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
Thank you, both. But wasn’t the Cape Horn route well known and traveled by the 1880s, with all the trade between the Kingdom of Hawaii and Europe by that time? I was under the impression the route should be easy to find. Viriditas (talk) 08:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
Kuykendall (1953) indicates that this was a seasonal mail route in the early to mid-19th century for letters between Hawaii and Europe. Viriditas (talk) 08:49, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
The route was well known, but that doesn't make it easy to find. The sea looks pretty much the same everywhere. PiusImpavidus (talk) 19:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
Apologies for the confusion. I'm talking about finding the route to draw a line on a map on my end for an article about the subject, not the ease of navigating the route. Viriditas (talk) 00:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
It is not implausible the ship sailed by Madeira or the Canary Islands and next the Cape Verde islands, but otherwise the ship either had to more-or-less hug the coastlines (the west coast of Europe, the coast of Brazil from Recife to Rio de Janeiro and the coast around Cape Horn) anyway, or, between Rio de Janeiro and Cape Horn and on the segments leading across the equator, cross a wide expanse of ocean without a lighthouse in sight. ​‑‑Lambiam 09:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
Great circles are shortest, loxodromes are easier. Navigating by loxodrome, you only have to keep track of direction; on great circles, you have to keep track of two factors out of direction, speed, latitude and longitude. On this voyage, the difference in distance is small. Astronomical navigation is nice, but depends on seeing the stars (or at least the sun). From Drammen to Spain in late autumn and through the Strait of Magellan and along the southern Chilean coast, clouds are all but guaranteed.
The Strait of Magellan is a shortcut, but the frequent headwinds and limited room for tacking don't make it very convenient. The alternative is worse though: the Drake Passage is one of the roughest seas on earth. It's almost impossible to pass westbound by sailing ship and if you succeed, you want to turn north ASAP, but how do you know you passed it if you can't determine your longitude under overcast skies? The Strait of Magellan is just safer. Similarly along the Chilean coast up to 47°S, the open ocean may be slightly faster, but is very rough, so one could opt for the fjords instead.
So, great circles or loxodromes approximating the shortest route, with some deviations for more convenient winds or to avoid dangerous waters. Drammen to Finistère has variable wind, mostly from the west. One could tack or just wait a few days for the wind to turn; much easier and only takes a little time.
According to Den Helder weather station (data available from KNMI), the wind was on 27 October 1880 easterly, first weak but increasing to a wind pressure of 15 kgf/m2. I think that's 15 m/s in modern units. In the night to the 28th, the wind turned south and remained strong, from late evening on the 28th until the morning of the 29th the wind was SW, slowing to 6 m/s, but in the afternoon the wind turned NNW and increased to 24 m/s, a strong gale. During the following night, the wind turned W and slowly weakened. I assume that by then the ship had left the area.
From Finistère to the Costa de la Muerte the wind gets slightly more convenient, wind direction is even better towards the Canary Islands. Then passing Cape Bojador, once the point of no return for sailing ships along the Western Saharan coast, the NE trade wind and ocean current pick up and push the ship to the doldrums near Fernando de Noronha. High temperatures in the interior of South America in the southern summer cause a low-pressure area, turning the normal SE trade winds to NE, helping the ship to near Porto Alegre. After passing the southern horse latitudes, the winds turn mostly west (not too bad) and pick up, as the ship nears the Strait of Magellan. The wind is variable, but mostly westerly, in the strait, but after that the ship can turn north. Strong westerly winds make it hard to head for the open ocean straight away, so one hugs the coast to Valparaiso as winds gradually turn south. Valparaiso is also convenient for resupply. Follow the SE trade winds, but one may wish to stay slightly NE of the great circle route. Cross the doldrums again near the Galápagos Islands, then turn WNW (better than NNW on the great circle from Cape Horn), using the NE trade winds to Hawaii. It's about 16000 nautical miles, barely more than the absolute shortest route, and mostly broad reach.
If you can find a diary of a traveller or, even better, the official logbook, that would be good, but otherwise you can't get a much more detailed description than my guess above. PiusImpavidus (talk) 19:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for putting so much time into that. Viriditas (talk) 22:48, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
I forgot to note, this route was traveled by at least five known ships from 1880 to 1883: Two ships, the Beta (1880) and the Musca (1880), left from Drammen, Norway; three ships, the Cedar (sometimes spelled Ceder, 1881), the Ioloni (1882), and the Ehrenfels (1883), left from Bremen, Germany. My understanding is that they all took similar routes. I wonder if any of these logs are available. The Bremen article says "Norddeutscher Lloyd (NDL), founded in Bremen in 1857, became one of the world's leading shipping companies." Another book I'm looking at says they reduced the transit time from 4-6 months to only 2 using steamship propulsion, which other articles say began in 1870, but likely didn't take off until the late 19th century? This question dovetails with another article I've been working on and off concerning pineapple mania, which was said to diminish with the rise of steamship transportation, which made the pineapple accessible to everyone instead of a luxury item. In any case, the steamer Ehrenfels took two months to travel from Bremen to Kauai, which saved a lot of lives, but a measles epidemic onboard still killed around 50 people, mostly children. Viriditas (talk) 23:47, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
are we talking about the barque Beta built in 1864 as Sir John Lawrence? Are you intending to write an article? Mjroots (talk) 08:30, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for that. There's a lot of conflicting and hard to find info, so it's not clear that it's the same ship. You can see another version here. That Beta is said to be 846 tons rather than the 879 grt in your Beta, but I'm not sure that's meaningful. Maybe you can look into it? Very little is known abut that ship. Whereas, there is much more known about the German ships. I couldn't access the sjohistorie.no link. Viriditas (talk) 08:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Try accessing sjøhistorie via the link at WP:SHIPS/R#Country specific sources. Enter Beta in the search box, then look for the entry under "Bark Beta bygget 1864" (7th one down for me). Mjroots (talk) 09:24, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Ah, yes. That's it. I think you found her. Viriditas (talk) 09:27, 5 May 2025 (UTC) |
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10th federal electoral district of Nuevo León | Short description | 250px|thumb|Federal electoral districts of Nuevo León since 2022
thumb|Nuevo León under the 2017 districting plan
The 10th federal electoral district of Nuevo León () is one of the 300 electoral districts into which Mexico is divided for elections to the federal Chamber of Deputies and one of 14 such districts in the state of Nuevo León.
It elects one deputy to the lower house of Congress for each three-year legislative session by means of the first-past-the-post system. Votes cast in the district also count towards the calculation of proportional representation ("plurinominal") deputies elected from the second region.
The 10th district was created by the 1977 electoral reforms and was first contested in the 1979 mid-term election. The current member for the district, elected in the 2024 general election, is of the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI). |
10th federal electoral district of Nuevo León | District territory | District territory
In its 2022 districting plan, which is to be used for the 2024, 2027 and 2030 federal elections, the National Electoral Institute increased Nuevo León's congressional seat allocation from 12 to 14.
The reconfigured 10th district covers 317 electoral precincts () in the municipality of Monterrey.
The head town (), where results from individual polling stations are gathered together and tallied, is the state capital, the city of Monterrey. The district reported a population of 380,565 in the 2020 Census. |
10th federal electoral district of Nuevo León | Previous districting schemes | Previous districting schemes
+ Evolution of electoral district numbers 1972 1978 1996 2005 2017 2022 Nuevo León 7 11 11 12 12 14 Chamber of Deputies 196 300 Sources:
2017–2022
Between 2017 and 2022, the district covered 355 precincts in the municipality of Monterrey.
2005–2017
Under the 2005 districting plan, the district covered 182 precincts in the centre and south of the municipality of Monterrey. The link contains comparative maps of the 1996 and 2005 schemes.
1996–2005
From 1996 to 2005, the district covered 169 precincts in the centre and south of the municipality of Monterrey.
1978–1996
The districting scheme in force from 1978 to 1996 was the result of the 1977 electoral reforms, which increased the number of single-member seats in the Chamber of Deputies from 196 to 300. Under that plan, Nuevo León's seat allocation rose from 7 to 11. The newly created 10th district's head town was at San Nicolás de los Garza and it covered that city and its surrounding municipality. |
10th federal electoral district of Nuevo León | Deputies returned to Congress | Deputies returned to Congress
+ Tenth federal electoral district of Nuevo León Election Deputy Party Term Legislature1979Adalberto Núñez Galaviz22px|link=National Action Party (Mexico)1979–198251st Congress1982Luis Eugenio Todd22px|link=Institutional Revolutionary Party1982–198552nd Congress1985Rolando Castillo Gamboa22px|link=Institutional Revolutionary Party1985–198853rd Congress1988Yolanda Minerva García Treviño22px|link=Institutional Revolutionary Party1988–199154th Congress1991Rogelio Villarreal Garza22px|link=Institutional Revolutionary Party1991–199455th Congress1994Víctor Cruz Ramírez22px|link=National Action Party (Mexico)1994–199756th Congress1997Roberto Ramírez Villarreal22px|link=National Action Party (Mexico)1997–200057th Congress2000Orlando Alfonso García Flores22px|link=National Action Party (Mexico)2000–200358th Congress2003Margarita Martínez López22px|link=Institutional Revolutionary Party2003–200659th Congress2006Juan Manuel Villanueva Arjona22px|link=National Action Party (Mexico)2006–200960th Congress2009Alfredo Javier Rodríguez Dávila22px|link=National Action Party (Mexico)2009–201261st Congress2012Fernando Alejandro Larrazábal Bretón22px|link=National Action Party (Mexico)2012–201562nd Congress201522px|link=National Action Party (Mexico)2015–201863rd Congress2018José Martín López Cisneros22px|link=National Action Party (Mexico)2018–202164th Congress202122px|link=Institutional Revolutionary Party2021–202465th Congress202422px|link=Institutional Revolutionary Party2024–202766th Congress |
10th federal electoral district of Nuevo León | Notes | Notes |
10th federal electoral district of Nuevo León | References | References
Category:Federal electoral districts of Mexico
Category:Politics of Nuevo León |
10th federal electoral district of Nuevo León | Table of Content | Short description, District territory, Previous districting schemes, Deputies returned to Congress, Notes, References |
Juliana Londoño | Short description | Juliana Londoño (born 14 January 2005) is a Colombian professional cyclist, who currently rides for .
In 2025, Londoño won the Pan American Road Championships road race in a reduced bunch sprint, for Colombia's first win at the race since 2001. |
Juliana Londoño | Major results | Major results
Source: |
Juliana Londoño | Road | Road
2023
Pan American Road Championships
1st 20px Junior time trial
2nd Junior road race
2025
Pan American Road Championships
1st 20px Road race
6th Time trial
National Championships
1st Road race
5th Time trial |
Juliana Londoño | References | References |
Juliana Londoño | External links | External links
Category:2005 births
Category:Living people
Category:Colombian female cyclists
Category:Colombian track cyclists
Category:Medalists at the 2023 Pan American Games
Category:Pan American Games bronze medalists for Colombia |
Juliana Londoño | Table of Content | Short description, Major results, Road, References, External links |
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | Follow-up on Karen Leigh Hopkins request | Follow-up on Karen Leigh Hopkins request
Hello! I submitted a request for a new article on Karen Leigh Hopkins under the "Directors" section at [Requested Articles – Arts and Entertainment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Arts_and_entertainment#Directors). She's a notable film director, screenwriter, and producer with coverage in major outlets like The New York Times, Variety, and The Hollywood Reporter. Just following up to see if an editor might be able to take a look. Thanks so much!
Just for reference, the request for Karen Leigh Hopkins is under the "Directors" section of this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Arts_and_entertainment/Film,_radio_and_television#Directors
Appreciate any attention editors can give it.
Helloitsmeif1212 (talk) Helloitsmeif1212 (talk) 02:43, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
I looked at your past contributions, and I don't see a draft about this individual and you only added it to the requested articles list. The requested articles list is notoriously backlogged and there are very few, if any, editors that actually write articles just from its listing there. If you are interested in this article being written, it is probably something that you will have to write yourself. cyberdog958Talk 02:52, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
Thank you again for the guidance. I took your advice and created a sandbox draft with proper sourcing and a neutral tone. I also disclosed my COI. If you're willing, I'd really appreciate any feedback or a quick look: User:Helloitsmeif1212/KarenLeighHopkins. Thanks again! Helloitsmeif1212 (talk) 01:33, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 02:54, 13 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE | 02:54, 13 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE
Can you request to publish an article? 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE (talk) 02:54, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
Hello IP editor. Your draft was declined because there is only a singular source with a dead URL. The majority of the draft is completely unsourced. On top of that, there is already an existing article at Way Too Early about the same show. I recommend you merge your sourced content over into that article. cyberdog958Talk 03:00, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 02:54, 13 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE | 02:54, 13 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE
(Note: combined sections that appear to be two drafts on the same subject)StartGrammarTime (talk) 03:28, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
Can you request to publish an article? 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE (talk) 02:56, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
Can you request to publish an article? 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE (talk) 02:57, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
In answer to both your questions, I can request it, but I choose not to. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 06:20, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 03:51, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Raiderz.R.DaBest | 03:51, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Raiderz.R.DaBest
Greetings, Editors
Although I value your input, I would like to make a few clarifications about your choice.
First of all, I can appreciate the worry regarding trustworthy sources. Nonetheless, the game's creators are acknowledged explicitly in the game itself (the logo appears right away), and I think that's a trustworthy source. I'm willing to find more reviews or interviews to support the references, even though I am aware that there might not be a lot of secondary literature on a Flash game like this.
Regarding the tone, I recognise that the writing may have seemed casual. But I think a big part of the game's identity is its narrative style, which is reflected in a lot of the language used in the submission. Nevertheless, I will be content. i'll Adapt the tone to Wikipedia's neutral and formal requirements. However, in order to help me with my revisions, I would appreciate more detailed input on which sections you thought were overly casual or promotional.
If you haven't already, I also advise you to play the game itself. The atmosphere and story of the game provide a lot of the context and tone, and I believe that playing it will help you better understand the strategy I used to write the piece.
I'm determined to make the required adjustments and submit an article that satisfies Wikipedia's requirements. I appreciate your time and advice, and I'm eager to make this submission better.
-Raider Raiderz.R.DaBest (talk) 03:51, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
I fixed your link (it was missing the "Draft" prefix). Have a look at some of our Good Articles about video games to see the kind of coverage and tone that we're aiming for. And did you use a large language model ("AI") to write your request? ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 05:34, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
@ClaudineChionh Not only the request, but also the draft. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 06:24, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
@Raiderz.R.DaBest We wish to hear from you, yourself, in your own voice. We do not wish to converse with an AI Chatbot. If you have a question for us please use your own words, unvarnished by a Large Language Model 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 06:22, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
There are some serious fundamental issues with this article. We're primarily interested in what secondary sources say about the game. This is an article written entirely using WP:PRIMARY sources. Some uncontroversial details from such sources can be introduced once notability has been established.
By "tone" I don't believe anyone's talking about the narrative tone of the plot sections, but that this article does not read at all like something you would expect to find in an encyclopedia. In fact, I know shockingly little about the game after reading the article since 90% of it seems to be plot and gameplay tips. For all I know, this game could be like a Twisted Metal game or an open world-ish game like the Grand Theft Auto series or a vertical scroller like the old Spy Hunter game or something else entirely. I know nothing about the development, the release, or the reception of the game. In sum, I don't know what makes this Flash game series notable compared to any other series of Flash games, since it's never told to us. I only discovered this was even a 2D sidescroller by searching for a video of the game just now.
I definitely concur that LLMs were at least used to assist in places, but that's not as big a problem since this article would have to be fundamentally rewritten anyway. If you want to make a case for this game, start with only independent, neutral, coverage of the game, and write an article using only information from those sources. Only then, once that article can stand up on its own on the strength of the secondary sources, would it be appropriate to include those uncontroversial WP:PRIMARY details. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 08:07, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
"We wish to hear from you, yourself, in your own voice. We do not wish to converse with an AI Chatbot. If you have a question for us please use your own words, unvarnished by a Large Language Model"
when i didn’t use AI, i was told my tone wasn’t formal enough. When I did use it, I was told AI isn’t allowed. now what?
"We're primarily interested in what secondary sources say about the game." it's a niche flash game, do you expect a news article about it?
also smokoko's website (the developers) is in the references list, i dont see how you could possibly miss that
"this article does not read at all like something you would expect to find in an encyclopedia. In fact, I know shockingly little about the game after reading the article since 90% of it seems to be plot and gameplay tips."
It’s a Flash game, not a physics sim. Most people playing it aren’t digging into hitboxes or damage values. they just want to know how it plays.
"For all I know, this game could be like a Twisted Metal game or an open world-ish game like the Grand Theft Auto series or a vertical scroller like the old Spy Hunter game or something else entirely. I know nothing about the development, the release, or the reception of the game. In sum, I don't know what makes this Flash game series notable compared to any other series of Flash games, since it's never told to us. I only discovered this was even a 2D sidescroller by searching for a video of the game just now."
yeah, it’s a 2D game. Smokoko mostly made 2D games until a few years ago. that shouldn't be surprising.
and this one part specifically: "I don't know what makes this Flash game series notable compared to any other series of Flash games, since it's never told to us."
If you’re saying small games with minimal coverage don’t belong on Wikipedia at all, then just say that.
"I definitely concur that LLMs were at least used to assist in places, but that's not as big a problem since this article would have to be fundamentally rewritten anyway. If you want to make a case for this game, start with only independent, neutral, coverage of the game, and write an article using only information from those sources. Only then, once that article can stand up on its own on the strength of the secondary sources, would it be appropriate to include those uncontroversial WP:PRIMARY details."
now that i’m speaking in my own voice instead of through a machine, will this be rejected for being "too informal" again? Raider (talk) 00:19, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I can't address this game specifically but I'll try to answer your general questions.
Yes, we always want articles and discussions to be written by humans, not machines. For discussions like this one, write in your own voice, as you are doing now. For articles, writing in the formal tone of an encyclopaedia is a learned skill, and if you're not familiar with it yet, I'd encourage you to take the time to read the guide on writing better articles. You can look at the Good Articles I mentioned as models of what we want to see in encyclopaedia articles about games. Here's the same list in a format that might be easier to navigate.
OK, I'm sorry, I'll say it: a small game that doesn't have significant coverage in reliable secondary sources doesn't belong in Wikipedia at this time. This is not a value judgment. You clearly enjoy this game and I'm sure there are others who do, but it doesn't meet the minimum requirements for inclusion in an encyclopaedia. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 04:28, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
so be it then, i'll stop. Raider (talk) 04:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Smokoko's website, again, is a WP:PRIMARY source. As I said above, we're interested in what secondary sources say about the game far, far more than what Smokoko says about their own game. If there's no independent coverage of a game, then no, it is not suitable for Wikipedia. This is an an encyclopedia, not a social network or a promotional platform. No independent sources = no article.
"It’s a Flash game, not a physics sim."
"yeah, it’s a 2D game. Smokoko mostly made 2D games until a few years ago. that shouldn't be surprising."
What would the purpose of a Wikipedia article that expects readers to somehow already be intimately familiar with the subject? The fact is, even if the game were notable, the article did a poor job conveying key information about the game. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 07:26, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 04:55, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Thewisebaghera | 04:55, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Thewisebaghera
Request for Help Improving Claudia Carpentier Draft per Reviewer Feedback.
Hi everyone,
Any suggestions or edits to bring it closer to Wikipedia’s standards for neutrality and tone would be very welcome.
Thank you in advance!
— Thewisebaghera Thewisebaghera (talk) 04:55, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
@Thewisebaghera Instead of writing what references say about Carpentier you have provided lists of stuff they have done. This draft needs a 100% rewrite. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 06:27, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 05:22, 13 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE | 05:22, 13 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE
Can you request to publish an article? 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE (talk) 05:22, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE, this isn't an article, it's a single sentence. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 05:39, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 05:23, 13 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE | 05:23, 13 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE
Can you request to publish an article? 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE (talk) 05:23, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
2601:8C:4182:9AB0:6891:986E:89A:E2AE, as with your previous question, this isn't an article, it's a single sentence. You have been advised to read Your first article which you should do before submitting any more drafts. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 05:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
I can. I choose not to. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 06:28, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 06:18, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Vanessaaaaalong | 06:18, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Vanessaaaaalong
Would it help me to publish this article if I changed the title to the following two?
Canadian Ginseng (Panax Quinquefolius/North American Ginseng) or Canadian Ginseng/North American Ginseng (Panax Quinquefolius)
Thank you in advance for your kind help Vanessaaaaalong (talk) 06:18, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
@Vanessaaaaalong the draft title doesn't matter. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 06:30, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 06:19, 13 May 2025 review of submission by TheSettlor | 06:19, 13 May 2025 review of submission by TheSettlor
need advice getting this article up, a biblical flag TheSettlor (talk) 06:19, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a soapbox. The draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 06:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
@TheSettlor Both drafts have been rejected. Neither will proceed further. Neither is appropriate for Wikipedia. A third submission of this material is likely to be seen as tendentious. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 06:43, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 11:36, 13 May 2025 review of submission by 114.143.187.10 | 11:36, 13 May 2025 review of submission by 114.143.187.10
Hello,
I hope you’re well. I recently submitted a draft article for Calsoft, and it was declined with feedback indicating that the references currently included do not adequately establish notability as per Wikipedia’s guidelines.
I’ve reviewed the feedback carefully, revised the draft to maintain a neutral point of view, removed promotional content, and retained only information supported by independent, reliable, and verifiable sources. However, the draft continues to be declined for the same reasons.
I would sincerely appreciate if you could kindly clarify the following:
Based on the references I currently have (including coverage from The Times of India, StorageNewsletter, and MarTech Edge, among others), does this subject meet the eligibility for a standalone Wikipedia article?
If not, could you please advise specifically what kind of additional coverage or sources would be considered sufficient to establish notability for this company?
Would it be more appropriate at this stage to consider merging notable facts into a broader topic article (e.g., "List of IT companies in India") or continue refining this as a standalone entry?
I want to ensure I’m aligning with Wikipedia’s content policies and would greatly appreciate clear guidance on the next actionable steps to improve this submission in line with community standards.
Thank you in advance for your time and assistance.
Best regards,
Shweta 114.143.187.10 (talk) 11:36, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
If you're the account that created the draft, remember to log in when posting. If you're associated with the company, that needs to be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID. You have not yet established that this company is a notable company as Wikipedia defines one, through summarizing what independent reliable sources have chosen on their own to say about the company.
List articles are not for members of the list that lack standalone articles. 331dot (talk) 11:49, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 14:28, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Typing Fox | 14:28, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Typing Fox
Hello,
recently I created an article for the European University Alliance ENGAGE.EU which was declined. The argument for this was, that it needs "multiple published sources" ... After some research I wonder, why this article with 20 references was declined, although other European University Alliances were not - although they have nearly no references, for example:
Aurora (university network)
Utrecht Network
EUCOR
Especially since there are already many mentions and dead links to ENGAGE.EU I think that there is an actual need for this article.
It would be great if you could reconsider to accept this article.
Best regards,
TypingFox Typing Fox (talk) 14:28, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
The whole url is not needed when linking to another Wikipedia article, I fixed this.
Please see other stuff exists. It could be that these other articles are also inappropriate and just not yet addressed by a volunteer. This cannot justify adding more inappropriate articles. Each article or draft is judged on its own merits.
Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something and its offerings. A Wikipedia article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. This may be different from other language Wikipedias, which have their own policies. 331dot (talk) 14:43, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 19:43, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Jmartin2001 | 19:43, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Jmartin2001
why did this page get declined
Jmartin2001 (talk) 19:43, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
It was not declined – when you created it, it was with a "declined" template already in place. Did you use ChatGPT? That can cause that to happen (and it is also a reason for human reviewers to decline a draft, since LLM creations are not acceptable). --bonadea contributions talk 19:48, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
@Jmartin2001: you had submitted the draft on your user page. I've moved it into the draft space, it is now at Draft:RespirTek.
I've also posted a paid-editing query on your talk page, please read and respond to it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:56, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 20:24, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Elijohnson123 | 20:24, 13 May 2025 review of submission by Elijohnson123
This person is a state-wide elected official, what makes them not popular enough? Elijohnson123 (talk) 20:24, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
@Elijohnson123 Fails WP:NPOLITICIAN, fails WP:BIO. Popularity is not an acceptance criterion 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 21:20, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
and linkedin.com and Twitter are not reliable, independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 21:23, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
They are not a statewide elected official, they hold no public office.
Please disclose your connection with him, see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 21:28, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 13 | 23:30, 13 May 2025 review of submission by MaynardClark | 23:30, 13 May 2025 review of submission by MaynardClark
Subject: Help refining Draft:Maloney Properties — part of a broader effort to cover major Greater Boston housing/property firms
Hello helpful editors!
I am seeking constructive help to improve my Draft:Maloney Properties, which I submitted in the spirit of beginning a broader effort to ensure that major property management companies in the Greater Boston area are properly covered on Wikipedia.
I believe that Maloney Properties is a notable company based on its long history, role in affordable housing, and scale of management (11,000+ units). My intention is to either (a) refine the article to stand on its own, or (b) explore how it might be appropriately included or compared within a broader article on major New England or Boston-area property management firms.
I have explained more on my user talk page, but would really appreciate advice:
What are the best next steps for making this article or a version of it publishable?
Is a “comparative context” article (e.g., major Boston property management companies) advisable or welcome?
What kinds of reliable sources might strengthen the article or its framing?
I am eager to follow Wikipedia’s standards for notability, neutrality, and verifiability. I welcome collaboration or mentoring.
Thank you for your time and insights! MaynardClark (talk) 23:30, 13 May 2025 (UTC) |
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 00:32, 14 May 2025 review of submission by DcdmeQDm | 00:32, 14 May 2025 review of submission by DcdmeQDm
Hi, this is an article about the biggest sporting event in surfing occuring next year containing all the currently known information with sourcing directly from the the world surf league, the body that hosts the tour and professional surfing more broadly. What more is required? DcdmeQDm (talk) 00:32, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Hello, . What's required, and this is mandatory, are references to significant coverage of the 2026 event in several reliable published sources that are entirely independent of the World Surf League. Your three references are to things published by the league itself, and only independent sources establish notability. Cullen328 (talk) 00:40, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Thank you, that's helpful. I will add more references discussing the event. DcdmeQDm (talk) 00:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 00:45, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Dart270 | 00:45, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Dart270
Hello, this draft has been rejected a couple times for not citing biographical info. The last rejection mentioned the birthdate, so I just removed that, but I'm not sure if there are other items that need to be cited that aren't already cited. Any help is much appreciated. Dart270 (talk) 00:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Also wondering if crunchbase.com or clay.com are considered reliable independent sources for tech executives bio information. Dart270 (talk) 00:51, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I don't have time to look into clay.com (or your article), but I can tell you right now crunchbase.com is definitely not reliable :). Thanks for asking! GoldRomean (talk) 00:56, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for the link to the sources page! Dart270 (talk) 01:44, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
No worries! Please note that I linked to that page because you specifically mentioned Crunchbase, which is mentioned there. Not all sources are on it, and so it would not be really helpful for determining reliability of Gamezebo , DroidGamers, and Kongbakpao since they are not mentioned. GoldRomean (talk) 02:04, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 01:17, 14 May 2025 review of submission by AshGolden | 01:17, 14 May 2025 review of submission by AshGolden
The reason I joined Wikipedia is because there are a lot of influential Black figures in our community that aren't on here, and I wanted to write about them so they don't go unrecognized. My first article is on Najah Roberts, who is the first Black woman and woman in general to own a Crypto exchange EVER in the U.S. That's historic and significant, and I feel is very worthy for an article. The last rejection comment I received was that person doesn't think she's "notable" enough to be on here, and I'm not sure why. Is it because she's Black? This woman has been on national news, Forbes, Black Enterprise, you name it. Half of my citations are from national news. Is CNBC, MSNBC and KTLA not credible enough? I've seen Wikipedia articles for less relevant topics, and this woman is actually an influential person. I've revised this article at nauseum and followed all of the instructions to make it read like an "encyclopedia", took out words that don't comply, cited all of my sources, etc. There's nothing left to revise, and at this point I'm starting to think there's a racial bias on here. Not sure what to do. I thought I was doing something good by contributing and this makes me want to not participate. AshGolden (talk) 01:17, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Hi @AshGolden, the good news is that Wikipedia doesn't have a racial bias - but reliable sources might, and we can only summarize what reliable sources say. You may already have gone through some of the steps I'm going to outline, but bear with me.
Your goal here is to demonstrate that Roberts is notable by Wikipedia standards, which is what the reviewer referred to. It's entirely possible for someone to be esteemed, admired, a pioneer or a leader, and yet not be notable for Wikipedia. The only way to show that someone is notable here is to find a minimum of three sources that are reliable, independent, and contain significant coverage of the person. One thing that often trips people up is that interviews aren't independent and so can't be used. More info available at WP:42, which I think might be one of the most helpful pages on Wikipedia. Since your subject is a living person, you'll also need to pay attention to WP:BLP (biographies of living people policies) and WP:BIO (what makes a person notable).
I've skimmed through the first few sources you currently have, and so far all of them are based on interviews from Roberts - this means you can't use them to show she's notable, unfortunately. You're looking for things people have written about her off their own bat, without getting in contact with her. Something to keep in mind is that it may be too soon for her to have an article; you may need to wait until more people take notice of her and start writing about her. In the meantime you can keep the draft active by making an edit every five months or so - drafts are deleted after six months of no activity, but if you edit even just a space in then it'll stay active and once you have the sources, you're ready to go. I hope that helps! StartGrammarTime (talk) 01:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for the insight! AshGolden (talk) 01:53, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I forgot to mention one more thing! Pinging you just in case, @AshGolden - you might be interested in having a chat to the editors over at Women In Red, who are focused on getting more biographies of women into Wikipedia. They may be able to give you some more tips and advice, and you may also find some other women you'd like to write an article about. There's certainly a lot of women who are notable by Wikipedia standards but don't yet have articles, and not enough editors to close the gap. I'm sure you'd be welcome there as someone working towards a similar goal. StartGrammarTime (talk) 02:08, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 01:24, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Gimmywp | 01:24, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Gimmywp
I understand the draft requires sources that are in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent.
I was wondering whether the articles from Gamezebo , DroidGamers ,Kongbakpao satisfy those criteria.
If the issue lies in how the sources were cited or incorporated, I would be happy to revise the draft accordingly. However, if those sources are fundamentally insufficient as references, I understand that I may need to reconsider the approach. Gimmywp (talk) 01:24, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Here's a page for reference on reliable sources Dart270 (talk) 01:47, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
@Gimmywp None of the sources you mention are acceptable. First of all, Kongbakpao is a 1-person self-published blog, so it's not reliable. The Droid Gamers article and Gamezebo article were published on the same day and have similar titles and similar promotional content, indicating that both articles are likely sponsored news meant to promote CTW's service. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:15, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I also see that the Kongbakpao article was published on the same day and is similarly promotional. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 02:14, 14 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:2889:2D68:1245:F06D | 02:14, 14 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:2889:2D68:1245:F06D
Can I submit a review? 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:2889:2D68:1245:F06D (talk) 02:14, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
It seems that you already submitted the draft for review. Ca talk to me! 02:49, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 03:11, 14 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:2889:2D68:1245:F06D | 03:11, 14 May 2025 review of submission by 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:2889:2D68:1245:F06D
Can I accept? 2601:8C:4182:9AB0:2889:2D68:1245:F06D (talk) 03:11, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Please stop spamming the help desk. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 05:12, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 03:43, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Qntkhvn | 03:43, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Qntkhvn
I believe this person now meets criteria 2 of WP:NPROF because of the recent 2025 Significant Contributor Award. Qntkhvn (talk) 03:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
@Qntkhvn
The draft has been rejected and will not be considered any further. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 05:11, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I'm afraid it is not clear how that award meets criterion 2, as it is an award given by an assciation to one of its own members – and the source doesn't verify that he has received it. --bonadea contributions talk 05:37, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 05:07, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Sedenora | 05:07, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Sedenora
Can any edit help to edit this page to meet wikipedia guidelines, and to resubmit please? Help will be appreciated. Sedenora (talk) 05:07, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
@Sedenora It has been rejected and will not be considered further Thehistorianisaac (talk) 05:10, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. Can someone aid in the deletion of the draft please in that case? Sedenora (talk) 05:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
The draft will be deleted when it has not been edited for six months. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 05:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 07:10, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Adigesi | 07:10, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Adigesi
Before rewriting draft I would like to clarify on my submission earlier. Can I present here itself or send a separate mail Adigesi (talk) 07:10, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
If you have a question, you ought to ask it here. I will note, however, that to have an article that about Sivakumar predicting the emission scandal, you will need to find reliable, independent sources that provide significant coverage of Sivakumar's prediction. It's not even close to enough to cite Sivakumar's prediction; independent sources have to be talking about it as a prediction. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 10:15, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 09:18, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Zlkenney | 09:18, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Zlkenney
I'm not clear on how to improve my article to get it approved. I mirrored other stubs from the National Register of Historic Places listings in Little Rock. I tried to include the nomination form like some of the other listings have on their stub page, but was not able to source a PDF so I don't know how those stub pages did it. What is different about my stub in comparison and what do I need to do to get it approved like those? Zlkenney (talk) 09:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Please see other stuff exists. Though understandable, it is a poor idea to use any random article as a model or example, as those too could be inappropriate and just not yet addressed by a volunteer. There are many ways inappropriate content can get past us and exist, this cannot justify adding more inappropriate content. If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those that are classified as good articles, which have received community vetting.
Historical properties are likely notable, but you still need independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the property. You only have two sources, we usually look for at least three to pass this process. 331dot (talk) 09:24, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 10:25, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Writerperson12345 | 10:25, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Writerperson12345
I don't know what the problem with my source are as they are nationally recognized in Turkey. And are highly reliable sources. Is the reason because they are in Turkish and not English? Writerperson12345 (talk) 10:25, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
@Writerperson12345: they may be reliable, but two of the three (possibly all three) are primary sources. We need to see significant coverage of her in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and completely independent.
And no, it's not a problem that the sources are in Turkish. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Which one of my 3 sources is an example of a secondary source. As you mentioned that one might be well? Writerperson12345 (talk) 10:32, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
@Writerperson12345: funnily enough, it was the one you just removed, Fanatik. I'm not entirely sure it's totally independent and/or reliable (it may be it's just a portal to sports news from other sources), and it doesn't provide any real coverage of Ataman, but at least it looks like it might be secondary. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I just found 2 good sources like that one and changed them up with these two source. In one of them she is giving an interview. Do you think it is acceptable now? Writerperson12345 (talk) 10:38, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
@Writerperson12345: interviews are a primary source, because it's the subject talking (usually about themselves). Most interviews aren't also subject to any fact-checking or other editorial controls, so they may or may not be reliable (which means we have to assume they're not). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
So what if I just use the fanatik one. would that work do you think? 2A02:FF0:22C:3FA5:5499:D0A7:A95:E3C9 (talk) 10:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
No, one source isn't enough, we normally expect at least three, and they must all squarely meet the standard laid out in the WP:GNG notability guideline.
Look, you probably don't want to hear this, but I'll have to be honest, it's quite unlikely that a junior athlete at the start of their career, and in a relatively low-profile team sport at that, is going to be notable enough to justify an article. Maybe give it a few years, and try again once the display cabinet starts getting filled with high-level medals and trophies? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:54, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I was just trying to start my wiki articles with something easy? As I took inspiration from this wiki article where there's only one source and one sentence? https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilara_Bural%C4%B1
Its the same thing No? Writerperson12345 (talk) 10:57, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
The Turkish Wikipedia is a completely different project with their own policies and guidelines. If they accept such articles for publication, that's their business, but it has no bearing on us. The English Wikipedia's requirements for notability are probably the highest of them all, so it often happens that an article is accepted into one of our sister projects but declined here. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:02, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Oh ok thank you! Writerperson12345 (talk) 11:03, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 12:39, 14 May 2025 review of submission by PEEZYBABY | 12:39, 14 May 2025 review of submission by PEEZYBABY
I'm trying to create an article and need help getting it accepted.
I'm currently working on the artist profile "Prodbysinji" / "Siniša Bijelic" and i'm struggling with getting the image and the infobox done...
PEEZYBABY (talk) 12:39, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I wouldn't focus so much on the infobox and instead make sure you look through what things make a musician qualify for a Wikipedia article. I see you have a lot of citations in the article, but they all seem to be self-published primary sources. Wikipedia really relies on prominent third-pary media coverage of the subject. – macaddct1984 (talk | contribs) 13:24, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 13:12, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Joha4nnlo | 13:12, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Joha4nnlo
I need help sourcing correct links as I’m not good at researching! Joha4nnlo (talk) 13:12, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 13:19, 14 May 2025 review of submission by The BIue J | 13:19, 14 May 2025 review of submission by The BIue J
Should be reviewed again. Some dumbass with the same name made it about him but I changed it to the real significant person. The BIue J (talk) 13:19, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Please treat your fellow editors with respect. The draft was created about an obviously non-notable person, yes, but that does not make it appropriate for you to hijack an existing draft and change it entirely. Since there is no indication that the voice actor you wrote about is notable, and there are no sources in your version of the draft, there would be no point in reviewing it. --bonadea contributions talk 14:12, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
@The BIue J: if this draft was originally about an Andrew McDonough, a high school student, and you want to write about another Andrew McDonough, a voice actor, then you should create a different draft and not hijack an existing one. Of course, if there's no evidence that either Andrew McDonough is even remotely notable, then I guess that point is somewhat academic. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:11, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 13:43, 14 May 2025 review of submission by AleoHQ | 13:43, 14 May 2025 review of submission by AleoHQ
I named my account AleoHQ which is a nickname used by Aleo on X, but I'm not an organisation, I'm just a community member and I never received any funds from Aleo. AleoHQ (talk) 13:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
@AleoHQ: that seems hard to believe (you even included 'HQ' in your name), but be that as it may, I strongly recommend you changing your name at the soonest.
I've also posted a conflict-of-interest (COI) query on your talk page, please read it carefully and action as needed. Even if you're not paid by Aleo to edit this draft, you may still come under our paid-editing rules, and even if you don't, you may still have a COI of different kind which needs to be disclosed. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:06, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I tried to occupy "Aleo" but it is already. I just wanted a cool nickname.
I can't rename my profile because its new (or idk how to) AleoHQ (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS. Aleo would be equally unacceptable. 331dot (talk) 14:57, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I am really sorry about this inconvenience, I'm only in the beginning of understanding Wikipedia ethics, I just sent a request for renaming. Thanks a lot for your help. AleoHQ (talk) 15:05, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 14:18, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Squirrelyadams | 14:18, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Squirrelyadams
Please link this talk page to Albion College's wiki page Squirrelyadams (talk) 14:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
This page is for asking about drafts in the draft process. You want the more general Help Desk. 331dot (talk) 14:47, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 15:20, 14 May 2025 review of submission by The BIue J | 15:20, 14 May 2025 review of submission by The BIue J
I am asking for it to be reviewed once again. I think it is actually culturally relevent and is important enough to be added. I also don't see the harm in adding it if it wasn't. It is an impressive feat and I believe it makes Gregg Nigl worthy of a wiki article. The BIue J (talk) 15:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Unless he gets written about for something else, we're going to err towards not annihilating his privacy with a Wikipedia article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:31, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 16:38, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Annap1991 | 16:38, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Annap1991
what else can i do? Annap1991 (talk) 16:38, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Neither of your sources are any good, both being too sparse - MusicBrainz is a tracklist, while Deezer is a too-short-to-cite biography. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:44, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
ok Annap1991 (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 16:45, 14 May 2025 review of submission by 102.218.37.251 | 16:45, 14 May 2025 review of submission by 102.218.37.251
Article..can't be approved 102.218.37.251 (talk) 16:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Yes, it has been rejected. Do you have a question? 331dot (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. One source, no matter how good it is, is not enough to support a Wikipedia article, and especially not in articles about still-living or recently-departed people. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:51, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | I merged [[Draft:High cloud feedback]] into [[cloud feedback]] | I merged Draft:High cloud feedback into cloud feedback
Feel free to undo if you object. Sorry I don’t know how to get rid of the draft if no-one objects. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:56, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
WP:BLARed it to Cloud feedback and moved it to mainspace, tagging the one in draftspace for G6. Sophisticatedevening🍷(talk) 18:15, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 18:20, 14 May 2025 review of submission by WhisperToMe | 18:20, 14 May 2025 review of submission by WhisperToMe
Hi! I saw the decline reasons at Draft:Avon_Central_School_District. If it is alright, is it OK if I understand how each criterion needs to be met?
I would like to respond to each one:
1. "in-depth" - The articles cited have the school district as the main topic, so they are all in-depth. #1 from WROC-TV, #2 from WROC-TV, and 3 from Democrat and Chronicle
2. "reliable" - Democrat and Chronicle is a newspaper of record of the region. WROC-TV is a local news station, and should be reliable for reporting on local issues (Rochesterfirst.com is the website of WROC-TV, which is owned by Nexstar Media Group, Inc.).
3. "independent of the subject" - Both WROC-TV and Democrat and Chronicle are independent of the subject.
4. "secondary" - My understanding is that a newspaper article or TV reporting can be considered secondary and not primary if some kind of analysis is present in the reporting, rather than straight news reporting. For example, Wikipedia:No_original_research#Secondary talks about secondary sources analyzing other sources, and 1 and 2 refer to an audit report.
Also, I see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes#School_districts states: ""Populated, legally-recognized places" include school districts, which conveys near-presumptive notability to school districts per Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)." and in turn, Wikipedia:Notability_(geographic_features) in turn reads: "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low." So my belief is that the topic should be considered notable anyway
I submitted to AFC because the person who started the draft suggested I do that. (I did not start the draft, but I expanded another user's draft)
Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 18:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 19:05, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Anubha23 | 19:05, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Anubha23
I have used the citations correctly, can you please help me with guidance on how to edit this article so that it gets published? Should I delete all the IMDB and Spotify citations as someone had commented that they are not valid.
- Anubha Anubha23 (talk) 19:05, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Unfortunately, this article is not even close to being ready because there's not a single usable citation here. Unusable Spotify/IMDB cites make up 11 of the 15 sources. Two are just store listings for a song. Another one is just a database listing of Dutta from a company he's been affiliated with, so that's not independent or significant coverage. The only theoretically helpful source is the link to the Times of India article about Ventilator, but it doesn't even mention Dutta.
In addition, the article describes him as having produced the movie Ventilator, but the movie's own Wikipedia article doesn't think he's the producer, and upon further search, it appears he's the CEO of a company that did production, which is a very different thing than having produced it himself.
You need sources that are independent of Dutta, reliable, and that provide significant coverage of Dutta (and not just the movie, of Dutta himself). Until there, there can be no article. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 21:13, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 19:06, 14 May 2025 review of submission by 5.54.225.115 | 19:06, 14 May 2025 review of submission by 5.54.225.115
Are You Like my article ? Chris Nick Stassinopoulos 5.54.225.115 (talk) 19:06, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Blatant advertising. Wikipedia is not the place to try sell your CD. CoconutOctopus talk 19:17, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 20:41, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Weveriowa | 20:41, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Weveriowa
As a novice editor in Wikipedia, I made the error of working on a Spanish language article in the English page, and I received a notice that the English page was strictly for English. The notice says that the notice will not be removed until the editing is accepted, but I WILL NOT BE RESUMBITTING. Can someone please remove that notice? It makes using the sandbox very clumsy. Weveriowa (talk) 20:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I removed the notice for you. Alternatively, you can request the page's deletion using . Ca talk to me! 02:47, 15 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 22:53, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Tomsacco | 22:53, 14 May 2025 review of submission by Tomsacco
My draft was declined due to lack of reliable sources, but I don't know what needed to be reliably cited. How can I know what to cite and how to cite it? My guess is the "Early Life" portion of the page but I don't have a written source for some of that info. I know the subject of the page which is how I know. Tomsacco (talk) 22:53, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
I fixed your header to provide a link to your draft as intended(you inadvertently placed a link to a page called "citing sources").
From your username, I assume that you are a relative. Please disclose that as WP:COI instructs.
Your draft is sourced only to her own work. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic. Information that is not in a published, verifiable source cannot be in an article. We can't accept your personal knowledge as a source. You need sources that show how she is a notable academic. 331dot (talk) 23:42, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
The use of the term "rising star" would be a strong indicator that she doesn't yet merit an article. Wikipedia is the last place to write about something, not the first. A person must have already arrived and be recognized by independent sources to draw the coverage needed for an article. If you just want to tell the world about Alexandra, you ahoukd use social media or other website with less stringent requirements. 331dot (talk) 23:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC) |
Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2025 May 14 | 23:58, 14 May 2025 review of submission by BeastBoy-X | 23:58, 14 May 2025 review of submission by BeastBoy-X
I have submitted this template but it was declined, is it because it was in a article page (must be moved to Template page) or it's just What it is? ⟨⟨Beastboy-𝕏-Talk!⟩⟩ 23:58, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
There is already plenty of welcome templates on Wikipedia, so creating new ones aren't really a priority. Still, your's seem well-made and AfC is the correct place to submit templates (despite its name). Perhaps @ToadetteEdit can clarify. Ca talk to me! 02:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC) |
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1980 NBA season | '''1980 NBA season''' | 1980 NBA season may refer to:
1979–80 NBA season, featuring the Los Angeles Lakers defeating the Philadelphia 76ers in the 1980 NBA Finals, 4–2. This was Magic Johnson's rookie season, who recorded 42 points, 15 rebounds and 7 assists while starting at center in the deciding Game 6 and received NBA Finals MVP for his historical performance. This season, and especially its Finals, are widely considered to be the birth of "Showtime”. This was also Pete Maravich’s final NBA season.
1980–81 NBA season, featuring the Boston Celtics defeating the Houston Rockets in the 1981 NBA Finals, 4–2. This was Larry Bird’s first championship. |
1980 NBA season | Table of Content | '''1980 NBA season''' |
Exercise Shaheen | Short description | Exercise Shaheen was a series of military exercises held by China and Pakistan between 2011 and 2021. It involved joint aerial exercises performed by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) and the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). Hosted by each of the two countries at alternative years, the exercises were aimed to enhance aerial combat practices, interoperability, and regional security through mutual training and combat simulation practices. |
Exercise Shaheen | Overview | Overview
Shaheen-I was the inaugural exercise of this series and the first time Chinese military aircraft along with maintenance staff were deployed in Pakistan for operational purposes. It was conducted in March 2011 at an "Operational airbase" within Pakistan. Though official information was scarce, OSINT reports identified PLAAF Shenyang J-11s and PAF Dassault Mirages participated in the exercises held at PAF Base Rafiqui in Shorkot.
Shaheen-II was the first to be held in China at an undisclosed airbase within Hotan Prefecture. It took place from 03 to 22 September 2013. Mirage-VEF ROSE-IIs from the No. 25 Squadron PAF and Chengdu F-7s from the No. 14 Squadron PAF took part in the exercises along with their respective ground staff. However information regarding the Chinese side was not available. |
Exercise Shaheen | Controversies | Controversies
The Exercises has been subject to a series of controversies as it was inaugurated when US-Pakistan relations were at an all-time low particularly after the Raymond Allen Davis incident and 2011 US Drone Strikes which killed 40 tribesmen. |
Exercise Shaheen | See also | See also
Exercise Indus Shield
Exercise Saffron Bandit
Pakistan military exercises |
Exercise Shaheen | References | References
Category:Pakistan Air Force exercises
Category:Military exercises involving Pakistan
Category:Military exercises involving China
Category:China–Pakistan military relations |
Exercise Shaheen | Table of Content | Short description, Overview, Controversies, See also, References |
Draft:Top5 | AFC submission |
Hassan Ali (born May 10, 1996), professionally known as Top5, is a rapper and singer from Toronto. |
Draft:Top5 | Early life | Early life
Born to Somali parents, Top5 grew up in Toronto’s Lawrence Heights neighbourhood, an area most commonly known as “Jungle.”
He garnered his name through his basketball talents as he was touted as a "Top 5" player at any position.
In 2013 Top5 attended the OVO Sound Bounce basketball tournament as a spectator. After the tournament final, Top5 wanted to take a picture with former NBA player Brandon Jennings who had taken his shirt off. As a joke Top5 decided to take off his shirt for the photo, and it is reported "the whole crowd started going crazy." This drew the attention of Drake (musician) who was in attendance. Later that year the two formally met at a record signing event held by OVO and immediately connected.
Drake has since been an avid support and friend of Top5, often appearing alongside one another in photos and giving each other praise in the media. |
Draft:Top5 | Career | Career |
Draft:Top5 | 2017–2019 | 2017–2019
Top5 began gaining traction in 2017 through viral singles and social media antics. After a number of local hits, his collaboration with fellow Toronto rapper Casper TNG on “Freeze” introduced him to a wider Toronto audience.
Singles "Drill Some More" (feat. Flippa), "Demons" and "Half of Dis" (2019) helped solidify Top5’s image as an unfiltered voice that portrayed the realities of street life in Toronto’s public housing neighborhoods.
Despite not being signed to a major label, his controversial social media presence and consistent releases helped him gain a loyal underground following. |
Draft:Top5 | 2020–2021 | 2020–2021
2020 marked a pivotal year for Top5 as his single "Heard of Me" gained international traction, in part due to his viral live streams's on Instagram where he would threaten individuals from opposition neighbourhoods.
However, in January 2021, Top5 was charged as an accessory after the fact in the murder of 20-year-old Hashim Omar Hashi. In May, those charges were upgraded to first-degree murder, and Top5 became a fugitive after violating bail and fleeing the country.
In 2021, while on the run from police, he grew on his success when he released "2 Cases", which became his breakout hit with millions of streams. |
Draft:Top5 | 2022–2023 | 2022–2023
After eventually being arrested, Top5 continued to release music despite being in custody. In 2023, he released "21 Questions" featuring G Herbo with a music video that included footage recorded from inside the Maplehurst Correctional Complex using a contraband cellphone. |
Draft:Top5 | 2024–Present | 2024–Present
In September 2024, after more than three years of legal proceedings, the murder case against Top5 was dropped after the Crown stayed the charges.
Following his release from prison, he dropped "Megan Good" and "The Walking Dead" where he references his incarceration, alludes to alleged crimes he committed and emphasizes the theme of survival through trauma. |
Draft:Top5 | Personal life | Personal life
Top5's oldest brother Ahmed Ali made national headlines in 2015 after becoming only the second ever Canadian to score 100 points in a high school basketball game. Ali scored 103 of John Polanyi Collegiate Institute's points in their 111-76 win vs C.W. Jefferys.
In 2017, Top5's brother, Said Ali a.k.a. "Foolish", was killed in a gang related shooting. |
Draft:Top5 | Legal Issues | Legal Issues
Top5’s music career has been simultaneously overshadowed and aided by ongoing legal troubles, most notably his involvement in a 2021 murder investigation. On January 31, 2021, 20-year-old Hashim Omar Hashi was fatally shot while driving into an underground parking garage in Toronto's North York region. In February 2021, Top5 was charged as an accessory after the fact to murder. The charges were upgraded to first-degree murder in May 2021, following further investigation. During this time, Top5 violated his bail conditions and fled to the United States, sparking an international manhunt. He was arrested by U.S. Marshals in Los Angeles in October 2021 and extradited back to Canada.
In September 2024, after years of pretrial custody and legal wrangling, the Crown stayed the murder charges against Top5 following a judge’s ruling to exclude several key pieces of evidence. The ruling stated that the use of rap lyrics and social media posts as evidence could be prejudicial and inadmissible under the Canadian legal standard of a fair trial. With the charges dropped, Top5 was released from custody and promptly resumed his music career. Upon his release, Top5 personally thanked Drake in a post trial interview for paying his legal fees.
In January 2025, he was again arrested in Markham, Ontario in connection with a firearms trafficking. Police charged him with multiple weapons-related offenses. |
Draft:Top5 | Discography | Discography |
Draft:Top5 | Studio albums | Studio albums
2023: Pedro Activated |
Draft:Top5 | References | References |
Draft:Top5 | Table of Content | AFC submission, Early life, Career, 2017–2019, 2020–2021, 2022–2023, 2024–Present, Personal life, Legal Issues, Discography, Studio albums, References |
2025 Makarska Open | Infobox tennis event | The 2025 Makarska Open hosted by Valamar is a professional women's tennis tournament to be played on outdoor clay courts. It will be the 19th edition of the tournament and part of the 2025 WTA 125 tournaments. The event will take place from 3 to 8 June 2025 at the Tennis Center in Makarska, Croatia. |
2025 Makarska Open | Singles main draw entrants | Singles main draw entrants |
2025 Makarska Open | Seeds | Seeds
Country Player Rank1 SeedMoyuka Uchijima581Katie Volynets642Renata Zarazúa723Jaqueline Cristian744Maya Joint785Léolia Jeanjean1036Diane Parry1057Ella Seidel1147
1 Rankings as of 26 May 2025. |
2025 Makarska Open | Other entrants | Other entrants
The following players received a wildcard into the singles main draw:
The following players entered the singles main draw through qualification:
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2025 Makarska Open | Doubles entrants | Doubles entrants |
2025 Makarska Open | Seeds | Seeds
Country Player Country PlayerRank1Seed12
1 Rankings as of 26 May 2024. |
2025 Makarska Open | Other entrants | Other entrants
The following pair received a wildcard into the doubles main draw:
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