Perhaps not all the Harudes left Jutland, and the Harudes could have been a constituent of the Jutes. Norway and beyond The Angles were probably occupying territory abandoned at least in part by the Harudes, as the latter migrated into Norway. There they are believed to be the Hǫrðar people who settled in Hordaland and gave name to the fjord Hardanger. In a second theory, the Hǫrðar are identical to the Arochi dwelling in the Scandza mentioned in the Getica of Jordanes, which dates to the 6th century, but might refer to any time prior to then. The ch in that case would be a corruption of th, with the initial h not expressed. Jordanes had read Ptolemy, but he claimed to be writing of times before those of Ptolemy. A comparison of Germanic geography in the works of the two men has raised some questions concerning the direction in which some Germanics migrated. On the whole, based on Jordanes, the direction has been taken to be southward from Scandinavia, and it is possible that the Charudes of Ptolemy's Jutland arrived there in prehistory from a more ancient Hordaland. On the other hand, the Hǫrðar could have intruded locally and late into Norway. Some have expanded this idea into a theory that the Goths originated in Germany and entered Scandinavia in the age of Germanic migration. As this hypothesis discounts Jordanes' judgement but accepts his tribal picture, it is not generally accepted. Etymology Latin Harudes is also attested in Old English as Hæredas and related to Old Norse Hörðar "Hords". This name is considered to be an extension of Germanic *xaruþaz (PIE *ḱosdho-) "forest" (cf. OE , OHG "mountain forest, wooded hills", MHG ), making the Harudes the "forest-dwellers". This root is considered to stem from Indo-European *ḱóss meaning "pine, conifer", akin to Russian sosná "pine", Ancient Greek kônos "pinecone, pine-seed, cone", kôna "pitch", kṓneion "hemlock; giant fennel", Oroshori "post". Alternatively, it may be related to Proto-Celtic *karut-, the source of Old Irish "hero, champion". See also List of Germanic peoples Notes References Cleasby, Vigfusson, Craigie, Icelandic-English Dictionary, Oxford, 2nd edition, 1957, Early Germanic peoples North Germanic tribes